Music. Hi, everybody.
Welcome to the Back Story Podcast.
I'm honored to be with you here today.
Today as as part of what we've been doing lately, has been
interviewing people who've been doing the work, who've I've been
out there in the trenches doing the work in a lot of different
ways. And one of these people is
somebody I'm very proud to have known for quite a few years.
Andy Santo Pietro has been doing the work in so many different
ways. It's absolutely incredible.
And I wanted to bring him on here today and kind of let him
tell a little bit his story and what's going on with with Andy.
Andy, welcome. Hi, welcome.
Thank you. Thank you.
Glad you're here with us today. So you, you do quite a bit of
work. Tell me, tell me a little bit
about. Well, I, I, for instance, I know
the book you've, you've written an incredible book.
What is about a year and a half ago?
Yeah, about a year and a half ago.
Incredible book about the 5D human, the new 5D human.
Really interesting the way you put things in the way that you
conceive things about it. And of course, it ties in a lot
with what the group's been talking about the 5th dimension.
They, we kind of backed off about talking about the 5th
dimension a little bit because they're frustrated.
They say you guys have been in the 5th dimension for a long
time and you're still using third dimensional rules, you
know, so, so anyway, it's, I'm, I'm very thrilled to see
somebody pick up the ball and really, really do some
descriptive work about the 5th dimension, how things are
different, how things apply differently and so forth.
So how'd you get started with that?
Tell me well. My mentor, you, I mean, it's
your fault I started following your your newsletters early 2000
and you know, it's been a romance.
I've been I grabbed onto your coattails since early 2000.
We're in almost 25 years of this and you really initially brought
my work to such a different level because you expanded my
consciousness. And no, I didn't know that's the
direction I was going to go. And even though I was in the
world of spirituality and spiritual healing, and mainly my
first two books before we connected was on Feng shui
design and the spirituality of Feng shui.
So when you came along and you started discussing some of the
5D, you know, concepts, it, it, it opened up what I was doing to
a whole new level and I started looking at my work and my
purpose here. You know, not only my work, but
my, my individual purpose here on a dimensional level.
I think that was the big shift for me that I was expanding, but
I was, I was playing on the same game board, you know, and I was
moving the chess pieces around. And as I became more and more
exposed to the dimension and truly with you and Barbara
leading the way with that it, I realized, oh boy, I think I have
jumped to another game board and it's a brand new game.
And I had no idea how to play this, this game of Earth Chess.
Earth chess, I love that. You know, I like, well, what is
this? So at the first I was very
excited about it and then I was extremely stressed about it.
And I'm still stressed about it because I'm part of, you know,
my humanness here. There's.
Nothing, you know, there's nothing here, nothing close.
And in my opinion you've really presented us if there was ever
such a handbook in piece meal, you've been feeding that to us
little by little in ways that we can actually absorb it.
And with with that, it sort of launched me head on into 5th
dimensional work and helping people with the ascension of
being 1/5 a 5D person living in a 3D World.
That is the umbrella that all my counseling and books and classes
fall under. So tell me a little bit about
that. You do counseling, you do.
Do you do regular counseling where you see people or is it
online? How does it?
How does it work for you? At this point it's on, it's
online. My background is as a social
worker, so my degrees are in therapy and social work, and I
have an undergraduate degree in special education.
So I already started off doing therapy work or in the realm of
therapy. And very early in the 80s, I was
introduced to the chakra energy system and I got very involved
in the psychology of the chakras and I started putting together
my therapy work with my chakra work and I called it
chakracology. And perfect.
That was my private practice for most of 1015 years.
People came and I was expanding on the psychology of who they
are and looking at who they were, spiritual beings and
energetic beings. And then Feng shui came into my
life and it expanded even further because I started
looking at how the energy of the environmental 1's home
interplays with that human, you know, living in that space.
And, and then that's where a couple of my books came and then
you showed up and I was like, huh, I just exhaled.
Now I have, I thought I was going to be doing just this for
the rest of my, you know, career.
And then good old Steve comes along and drops this 5D bomb
and, and, and off to the races I went and you know, here we are
and that's I, I realized that we have a lot of people and I, and
you probably agree with this. Who and the group sound?
Based on what you said, the group was probably nodding their
head. We've already evolved.
We are in 5D. It's official, you know.
Oh yeah. But most of us hasn't.
We haven't woken up to the fact we're there, you know, We're
still sleepwalking through our 3D life and acting as if that
shift hasn't happened. And that all has to do with not
denying it or not wanting to be a 5D individual, but it has to
do with that shift in that bump in consciousness, True.
And then all that comes with it. Because it's not an easy ride to
wake up. No, it isn't.
No, it means being more vulnerable.
It means it means a lot of things that people are very
hesitant to do. We feel we built our safe little
worlds, our safe little environment here in the third
dimensional area. And then the 5th dimension comes
along. Everybody's in the 5th
dimension, but we keep using these third dimensional rules
and ideas and so forth to be able to do that.
And we're, we're changing. I don't want to say we're not.
We're, we're evolving very well. And, and largely thanks to
people like you who write books about it, who take this in
energy in several areas or, and to be clear, Barb and I and the
group did not originate the idea of 5th dimension that's been
talked about for quite some time.
But the actual countdown to it and the actual energy around it
was very magical, absolutely magical.
So you did, you did counseling for a while.
You moved into the counseling. When did you write the first
book? My first book was written in
971997 and the second book was in 20, 2004.
It came out, I actually wrote it in 2002, but it got published
finally in in 2004. And that was overlapping.
That was overlapping my time. And yeah, no, maybe you, it's
fair to say you didn't coin 5D. But I think the difference, if I
may, about your work and your timing of your work, I'm going
to correct you a little bit, is that 5D, as you said, have been
spoken about for eons, you know, and a lot of people, I take that
back, many souls on the planet were living a 5D life.
But the 2000 era where you sort of came into your work and your
delivery of your path and this mission, what was different
about that is that the collective was moving towards 5D
chunks of the collective, not individuals who were highly
evolved on the planet and already ahead of the game.
So, and, and it was, you know, I remember, and I still do with a
lot of your talks in classes, which I take is that I was going
from newsletter to newsletter waiting for the day that you
release the next newsletter because we were all on pins and
needles knowing something massive was happening.
And it was not only wonderful, it was scary.
And it still is because I think, you know, when you were, when
you were addressing, hey, you know, why are we still doing a
3D dance when we have this expanded, you know, this, this
whole, you know, orchestra 5D, beautiful skills, new stuff.
And in my opinion, I think people underestimate 3 DI think
out of the three dimensions that the majority of us are moving in
and out of. And that's just my definition of
multi dimensionality here on the planet.
I don't I, I know we're in 5D, but we as humans, every second
of the day bounce in three 4th and 5th dimension.
We move in and out of those those dimensions all the time.
That's multidimensionality. That's what's more challenging
if we would just up in 5D and that was the only dimension.
And that's what we were born into.
And that's what will die in our kids in the next generation or,
you know, however the earth is going to be around.
We would be treating it like we the whole hum of 3D.
The reason why 3D became so familiar to us is because the IT
was the longest existing dimension of all the dimensions.
So 3D happens to be the most limiting and oppressive, but it
and, and, but it's the dimension that was the easiest to navigate
because if you liked it or not, you knew your place, you knew
your gender, you know what was expected of you as a woman, as a
man. I'm not promoting that or saying
I'm so glad we grew from that. But even if you didn't like it,
the guardrails were there. That's.
True. And you had to live within it.
But what the the most tumultuous, in my opinion,
dimension on the planet now is 4D4D is not spoken of enough,
but it's really the dimension that's running circles around
us. It's the shortest stay, but it
does the biggest upheaval towards change, yes.
Well, it has to be, has to be there.
We won't be able to move exactly.
We have to have to go through it to get the imprints of the 4th
dimension to live firmly in the 5th dimension.
So yeah, absolutely, it's all, it's all part of it.
And the third dimension, like you said to, to me anyway.
And from what the group has shared with me, what's part of
the challenges? We built so much for so long in
the third dimension, Even all of our systems, which the group
says we're starting to have some challenges with our banking
systems, our communication systems, everything that we
built originally was built, yeah, there was built in the
third dimension. And now we're starting to open
up and the technology is moving very quickly because of it.
So yeah. No, I, I, I agree with that.
And I think that's why it's so important what I'm seeing in my,
my work and my practice and with my friends and my, myself.
You know, I'm not above this by all means.
You know, they say you teach what you need to learn.
So I. Hate that, right?
You know, but that's true. For me it is true.
No, it's absolutely true. It's keeping me grounded, you
know, every day I need this every day.
That's why they stuck me in the front of the line with this,
because they're like, oh, I'm going to be a handful if I, if I
fall behind, you know. But my, my, my feeling is that
what has happened, like any other concept, you know, and you
can take this from technology, medicine, you can take it down
to typing, you know, if you don't know how to do it, it's
scary, right? And if you don't understand the
mechanisms on how to learn it, then you feel impotent.
You feel like you're falling behind.
You feel like you lost your mojo.
And what I have found with a lot of my clients and, and even some
of the journey that I was on is out of that confusion of the
actual sort of the advancement consciously that that we move
towards going into 5D. It left us so disarmed and not
even knowing what happened that you that many people start
internalizing it where the confusion lowers their self
worth, their self esteem. I'm probably not good at what I
do, God forgot about me, and a lot of great people who are
involved are getting caught in the undertow of how they
internalize the not understanding of the transition.
That, that's exactly right. That's exactly right.
That's what the group calls the bodysuit.
Basically, the avatar is basically who we think we are.
We do that. That part has to change a lot in
order for us to really anchor some of the new attributes of of
all the dimensions that we're in right now.
Because it is a scary time. And that's why I think we, I
think it's part of the reason we're seeing so much incredible
division on the planet is because people have feel the
change naturally, people resist change.
They want to go back to the good old days, even though the good
old days weren't really that good.
They, you know, we have, we always have our memories about
putting our, our good memories in the back and, and, and
projecting toward the future. So it's, it's kind of an
interesting process that we play with it.
That's amazing. So tell me about, tell me about
the rest of your work. You do sessions, you also do you
also do classes? Do you not?
Do you? Do you teach classes?
Yeah, I do. I do regular series of classes
and actually the last, the last year we focused on the
spirituality of money, which was really, it was an amazing
process to go through. And I on purpose use the word
money. Yeah.
And I'll, and I'll tell you why, because we tend to trip over our
spiritual feet, right? We use prosperity abundance, but
I don't know. About you.
In my house, my father never used that word when he was
talking about being short. You know, my father didn't go,
hey, we're a little short on abundance.
This. Week you're.
Not going to that movie, kid. My father was like, hey, I don't
have the money this week. You're not an Italian father,
you know? And money carries the thought
form. So we become these spiritual
beings and we start talking around the thing that we're most
confused about and we learned it as the word money.
And then we go, you know, I have to learn how to be prosperous
and spiritual. And our subconscious mind, like
we have no judgment about those two words.
We have judgment about the MONEY word because that's what our
culture and our society use. So on purpose, I over exaggerate
and work with how do you feel about money?
What's your relationship with money?
And what are the thought forms attached to money?
And how can we work on transmuting them and creating a
safe space where that part of your brain that feels panicked
around it can actually go back to calling it money so we can
understand what's really going on under the hood.
So, you know, that's, that's a lot of my work in helping
people, not telling them what to think, but teaching them how to
think differently. Give them the ideas, plant the
seeds and put them in fertile ground and they'll grow.
Absolutely. That's that's the magic of it
all. So that's incredible.
Do you do in person seminars as well?
Yes, I did COVID kind of, you know, like I'm sure you
understand, just hijacked life as we knew it.
But during COVID is when I wrote this book, so I had no
intentions of writing a third book.
And I have a whole chapter in the book, in the 5D human book
about COVID and the bigger picture of why it was here.
And it was actually part, you know, as you've said and and
group has discussed, it's actually part of our ascension
period. I, I feel like, you know, when
I, I know there's nothing funny about COVID, so I don't want to
come across as insensitive, but I always saw the bigger picture
of it as the universe saying I'm giving the whole world time out.
You guys don't know how to play with one another.
Your whole, you know, economy systems are out of control,
right? The the, the feminine and
masculine aspects and everybody get in your house.
Nobody's going out to play for a.
Month. That's a great way to.
From. School.
That's a great way to put it, though.
I love the I love the overview that you have on pretty much
everything. You you see the larger picture
to it. It's really kind of neat.
Wonderful to see that way. We were just totally out of
control. The universe didn't know what to
do. With us.
Totally agree with you. Everybody said that's it until
we get this right. You know, and everything's
changed. I mean, even the technology has
evolved in different ways. We've learned to communicate in
different ways. Even though COVID is in the
background, it's still here with us.
But it's not not killing people the way it used to and all the
rest of it. And of course, we had all the
conspiracy theories that surface around it and so forth.
But the reality is, we dealt pretty.
Good with that we we integrated that piece, which was very
difficult to do, but it also helped us change our physical
bodies. So you know, some of the
evolution that we've gone through with that is it it did
serve a higher purpose. So that's amazing.
So you, you're, you're doing all of it.
Basically you're you're doing in person seminars, you're doing
online, you're doing the coaching awesome work and you're
an author. I just I'm so proud of you,
Andy. It's just.
Thank you for that, you know, and.
Thank you for being. Such an incredible mentor to me.
For decades, you know you've, you've been the voice in the
back of my head, your teachings, the group.
Barbara and everything that you've brought forward and I,
it's my humble, you know, it's mine to own.
I I am very grateful. When, if I remember right, I
think the last time we were together was in Sedona, we had.
In Sedona, yeah. We had a we had a seminar in
Sedona that you came to see and we we were able to connect you
with some other people. It's very magical.
That was, they always are, but you know, they just keep getting
better. So the last one was better than
the one before and the one before.
So yeah, that was very special. And yeah.
And, and I think with COVID, I just want to touch on this
because it is a background, you know, my feeling is especially
my work is around the shadow. And that's a lot of what the
book is. And shadow not in the pejorative
sense, it being bad or negative, but it's the unknown, the
unconscious. And we not only personally have
shadow, the dimensions have shadow.
And as we were leaving 3D and going in, you know, to 4th
dimension and then into 5th dimension.
What got kicked up not for chaos but for transmutation as the
remaining shadow of thought form around all the things you name
that were three, you know, 3D related.
So when COVID came along for the first time across the universe,
and This is why it's never happened before, is that for the
first time across the universe, everybody was scared together.
Everybody was able in their own way.
It might have been finances or health or what's going to happen
next. But for the first time, it got
neutralized. That fear wasn't something
humans should be ashamed of or humiliated by.
And the fear came up and it it united us in a collective
emotion that was very based in 3D teachings because of
opposites and duality. So it acted, the virus
inadvertently acted as a poultice and it pulled up the
fear in a massive sweep across the planet, which is enabling us
to be steady our rudders much more in 5D.
Because you don't have fear in 5G, what you do have is
remaining fear that we are transmuting through.
But 5D consciousness is not based on opposites, it's based
on triality. There's no duality in it.
That's correct. That is, that is exactly it.
That's it. That's an important point.
Yes. We actually, when we look back
at COVID, I think we're going to see that we gained more than we
lost. The group actually predicted
almost a year in advance that there would be coming a time
fairly soon where we would be losing a lot of people.
And it wasn't, it wasn't a bad thing either.
They basically said there's certain people that want to go
home before the next wave of energy comes in and, and this
will be an opportunity for them to do that.
Some of them know it, some of them don't.
The reality is we're going to have a lot of people leaving the
planet. And just before that, we had a
massive exodus of, of animals leaving the planet, largely in
Australia and different places where a lot of these viruses
went through things and just kind of wiped out animals.
And we, of course, we're too busy with ourselves to really
pay attention to that. But it was a whole reset of the
animal Kingdom in a lot of different ways.
It was really fascinating to see in different ways.
OK, we've got this. You've got an excellent way of
being able to see the overview of things.
I got to ask you about politics. I know you talk about politics.
I know that's part of where it is.
Tell me, tell me the overview that you have with politics and
and the spirituality of politics.
Oh boy. OK, that's a mouthful.
I really love talking about politics.
Not, you know, because I think it's important we make
assumptions and I do all the time.
And my assumptions are if you are somewhat evolved, whatever
that means, you know, I'm using that word loosely.
But if you have enough interest in taking type of classes you
teach and following this, these kind of teachings, there's a
part of you that wants to grow, wants to understand, you know,
you know, it's a, it's, it's a very elite group.
You know that we we preach to the choir, right?
That's what I always used to tell Barbara, I said.
I can't hold any secrets here because I'm working in front of
a room full of psychics. You.
Know. You just got to tell it like it
is, that's all. That's it.
There's, you know, and we're preaching to the choir and
they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And what I found is a lot of
surprises along the way. How people that maybe I'm
generalizing, you know, I'll, you know, I'll take that hit.
But many people who are spiritual tend to back away from
politics because they see it beneath their spirituality
because it's so convoluted and it's really gotten disgusting.
And you know, everybody's fighting with everybody and
there's division and all we want is love and peace.
And what got my attention about that is I'm, I'm an old timer
from Lemuria like you, you know, and in Lemuria, we have to
remember that Lemuria was the closest we've come to, you know,
that we could at least, you know, reflect back towards
something tangible that where we came very close to this Earth
ascension and how evolved we were in so many ways, we were
reaching that apex. But one of the miscalculations
in Lemuria was that we thought we had enough light and that
light would overcome any darkness and any negativity and
passivity and love was the way. Well, we know how that turned
out. Didn't quite work the way we
thought. No, no.
No, no, no, no. It was like a little off on
miscalculation. The heart was in the right
place, execution and not. So good.
That's exactly it. That's exactly it all.
Right. So we're here now.
And the majority of people that are on the planet right now, in
my humble, narrow opinion, are from Lemuria and Atlantis and we
are all back here and we're getting another shot right now.
Do this again and not rest on our morals and not hide behind
our big hearts and our spirituality and put more damn
skin in the game because we cannot sit this one out.
Not because it's morally wrong. Politically we're going to wind
up with the wrong person. Please don't do this.
What about humanity and values? It's none of that.
It's a personal karmic opportunity not to lean back and
take the soul's assignment of part of why you were dropped
here during this time on the planet and move into an
actionable desires versus just meditation, prayer and talk.
Really put it into use. And that is one of the ways we
can put it into use. Absolutely.
Become involved with it. Yeah.
It's interesting. They, the group talked about
Lamoria and they talked about the the government of Lamoria,
which they said was really kind of interesting because these
were true public servants. They were more responsible for
making sure the trash was taken out and dealt with.
And then they were for international relationships or,
or strength of their defense systems or things of that
nature. So it was it, it was a different
process entirely to do that. And I'd love to see us return to
some of that. I think we're, I think we're
heading in that way. I do, I think we're again in the
5th dimension, trying to still hang on to old, the third
dimensional stuff and being able to pull back and, and being
afraid of the change and every other aspect.
I think that's all playing out right now in our politics in a
lot of different ways. And I will tell you the, the
entire world is watching the United States right now because
it's going to be affected by what takes place in the near
future. So absolutely.
I agree. What the United States does, the
world follows and we have that responsibility and it is quite a
gift if we are willing to step into the responsibility of the
power. And when we step back and, and I
think, you know, because politics has become such a hot
topic and, and I and I speak for myself always first.
And everybody's gone out of their way not to sound partial
and not to pick a side. And, and that is just to me,
nonsense. That's like, you know,
whitewashing something, You know, it's like having a crazy
friggin uncle, you know, that walks around with his pants off
and nobody wants to say anything at Christmas dinner.
Because. They don't set the apple cart
and you know it it. That's not OK in a family and
it's not OK in the world. And I don't think neutrality is
the goal. I no, I I definitely don't think
so. I I don't.
Think so and I think it would be a very big mistake for people
who are intrinsically want change and on on a spiritual
path to buy that thought form or and hide behind it because we
need everybody on the plane. We really do for this game.
We really do. You know, The group talked about
a time when after actually after Atlanta sank, after Lamoria sank
and after Atlanta sank, that there came a time where we
stopped time and we had a grand meeting of all the spirits.
And we all decided if we were ever able to get humanity to a
high enough level that we would all jump back in and try to make
it past the the goal. Mark, I think we're here.
That's exactly what you said earlier.
Most of people that are here are from Lamoria or Atlantis.
Most people and personally I, I, I didn't resonate as much with
Atlantis. The group told me I was partly
responsible for some of the problems.
So I probably, I probably blocked it a little bit.
That's why I'm doing this work now.
It's my mayor, Poopa. Exactly, I'll make.
It amends. Exactly.
But I boy, I have memories about Lamoria and the, the, the
interconnection with it. So, you know, if we all stand up
and take our stand, right or wrong, it doesn't make any
difference. We get involved, we ask the
questions, we do our research, we do our voting, we do all the
rest of it there and we get involved.
That can make a huge difference right now, more than ever before
on this planet. And I think that's part of
what's happened. We've seen this massive wave of
people come back in and be here at this time.
And that was really critical for all of this.
So tell us, tell us a little bit about how people would find you.
We're on a podcast, so you'll need to spell out your website
for us. Yeah.
Oh, thank you. Yeah, they can find me on my
website, which is Andy AND i.e. Santo Pietro SANTOP ietro.com
and from there they, they have contact forms where they can
reach me directly and find out, you know, get on my mailing
list, find out more about my classes by individual sessions.
And also I have a blog page and Instagram where they can follow
me. My my Instagram address is it's
not your mama's spirituality. Love that not your mama's
spirituality. I love that.
Is that the name of it? That's my Instagram.
Perfect. Perfect hashtag.
That's perfect. And, and we can do this really
tough work and look at these really hard things together.
It doesn't have to be scary. We can laugh about it and follow
a lot of your very early and continued teachings about
responsibility and accountability.
Because without that, the soul is not very happy here, correct?
You know, Andy, Sante, Pietro, thank you so much for being with
us here today. I'm so proud of you.
I really am. The work you are doing is
incredible. I've seen your personal
struggles. We've we've talked together many
times on different things. You have really are a bright
light on this planet and I want to personally thank you for that
and. Steve, I love you very much and
I am so grateful to you personally and I am so happy
that you put yourself and followed your path and LED so
many people to this incredible place that we are right now.
Espavo. Espavo, Andy.
Thank you, Mr. Thank you, Steve. All right.
And that does it for today's Back Story Podcast.
These are people that really have made a difference here in
the planet, and you're probably watching this because you're
probably one of those people. We hope we can spur you on a
little bit to step into your power, to bring the 5th
dimension into your reality now and to stop using some of the
third dimensional rules that really don't work anymore.
Thanks for being with us here today.
A spa, everybody. This is the Back Story podcast.
I'm Steve Rother and we're at despavo.org.
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