Welcome to Touchgrass, a miniseries where I chat with
creatives about staying sane while being chronically online.
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Today I'm chatting with Lena Tuck, a social media producer,
TikTok commentary creator, and the organizer of Sydney's viral
heated rivalry look alike contest.
Lena and I chat about how she shamelessly pursued her dream
Tik Talk career, what it's like being chronically online in our
30s, and how she touches grass while going viral.
Hello, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to chat with you
about all things being chronically online, your career,
and how you stay mentally sane. I don't.
Oh, OK. Getting into it.
Fair enough. OK, so before we get into it,
can you tell me, do you consider yourself chronically online?
And if So, what does that mean to you?
Absolutely. I did actually check my screen
time before coming here and it's sitting around 5 to 6 hours,
which I thought that's pretty good.
Yeah, I thought it was a lot worse.
So I would say I'm definitely chronically online, but in a way
where I think I can still touch grass.
I worked in agency life before this.
And so I have like the strategy kind of brain and I feel like I
kind of curated my feed to be a lot more like this is what's
happening, this is what's trending, This is what's like
happening on TikTok. Yeah.
I don't know what other people see on their feeds, but I feel
like I get a lot of like the trending things happening.
So yeah, I would say I'm just tapped into the matrix plugged
in. Yeah, from a from a wider
perspective, I suppose then then being so granular, although
that's not true because you actually do spill the tea on
TikTok. Now I'm jumping ahead a little
bit, but you actually are in the weeds of the.
Class and I am ready to talk about it.
I feel like this is going to be a good therapy session actually.
I love that. OK, so can you first tell us a
little bit about how you got chronically online?
Because we did read somewhere that you pitched Pedestrian TV
here to do their TikTok before TikTok was even really a thing.
Yeah, I got stuck in Toronto, Canada during COVID.
Oh. God, I'm from Toronto.
Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah, I got, I was living
there for two years and then during COVID, I like kind of got
stuck there. I mean, I've always been someone
who's online like I've, I've loved Instagram, like I've
always wanted to like be a part of it or create content and do
that sort of thing. And then I got stuck in Toronto,
Canada during Covad and TikTok was obviously taking off and I
just saw all these people making content.
I just thought it was like such an interesting new way of doing
things, like a little YouTube essentially.
And I was like, I can do this. And then I got back to Australia
and I just like didn't see any Australian like media companies
or brands like kind of doing it in the same way that Canada or
America was doing it. And so I just saw the ripe fruit
of pedestrian. And I was like, yeah, I'm going
to just cold pitch a bunch of stuff to them and see if they
take it because I'm already tapped into the matrix.
I may as well just like pitch it and see what happens.
And it took like 6 months of me following up.
I made a video, I think, I think I made a video to them to be
like, to be like, guys, This is why you should die of me and
This is why I'm really great. And they sent a reply to that
and they were like, we love her, she's so good.
And then I didn't hear anything for six months.
So it took six months of me following.
I love that though. That's the kind of audacity that
you need to have in this industry.
Exactly. Exactly.
And it worked after six months, but I just, yeah, I was just
fully tapped into making happening stuff.
And yeah, what was happening online.
And I just like, saw there was such a niche for this small mini
YouTube that, yeah, wasn't really being done in the same
way. Yeah.
No, I totally agree. So we launched in December 2019.
Yeah, wow. And our first TikTok video was a
clip down of Nikki tutorials coming out as trans in January
2020. And the reason why we started
posting like that, like, you know, Internet culture news was
because we were, we knew we needed to be on TikTok and we
were like, we don't know what we're going to do.
And again, this was like 2019. This is before we went into
lockdown, like everything. And it was literally my husband
who was like, well, if people are sharing news on YouTube and
they're sharing news on Instagram, why don't you just
share your stories that you're writing on your website?
At the time, we were more of likea.com on TikTok, like just
clip them into Tik Toks. And we were kind of like, OK, I
guess we'll try. And so we did.
And that actually, like, TikTok was our biggest commercial
driver for years because brands here were either not allowed to
have local TikTok accounts. Yeah.
So they wanted to work on TikTok in some way, or they didn't have
any, like, youth media brands that were doing TikTok at the.
Time. Yeah, exactly.
And they weren't, I mean, even now, like, I think brands and
companies like Channel 7 or big like news organizations early
now kind of just catching up to it.
And they're like, oh, we should hire someone who's dedicated on
this now. Yeah.
Where it's like, we're in 2026. Like I mean you doing in
20/29/2019 is crazy. Yeah, yeah.
Well, because we always knew we were going to be like youth and
we're like, OK, this is the thing.
We could just see it. Like we could just see that it
was coming up. Wait, I want to ask about you.
How are you so tapped in? Like how did you like what?
How did this? I mean, we can also chat about
it offline, no? That's fine.
I just was always chronically online.
Like I just always loved YouTube.
That was my number one beauty. YouTube was like my gateway into
the chronically online, which I feel like is for a lot of
people. The James Charles scandal of.
Course like my sister, all the drama gettins we somehow
referenced Ramageddon in all of these interviews so far.
It's literally my favorite topic.
But yeah, no, I just was always so tapped into like beauty
YouTube and this is actually how it happened is I was working in
media, I was working in lifestyle at Bauer when it was
Bauer writing beauty when Jaclyn Hills lipsticks happened.
And I was like, we need to write about this.
Like this is happening in the beauty space.
I was a beauty writer and at the time it was just like, no, we
don't cover that. We don't cover creators, all
that kind of stuff. And I was just so frustrated
about that because I just knew if you want to reach the youth
audience that you claim you reach, you need to be covering
these people that are actually tapped in to the youth beauty
consumer 100%. And I would listen to every
single pop culture podcast, whether they were in Australia
or internationally that was talking about Jaclyn Hill's
lipsticks because for the first time, you, I think drama by
sister also broke through to the mainstream.
But it was really one of the first examples of like creator
first story that broke through. And all of the podcasts that I
was listening to got like so much information wrong.
They didn't know anything cuz nobody had ever covered Jaclyn
Hill in that kind of way except for drama channels.
And I was like, no, there, there needs to be a media brand that's
covering this. So we were actually Centennial
beauty because we were more beauty focused at the beginning.
We were much more like about the beauty industry and like the
online space. And then obviously, as I just
said, TikTok literally changed everything.
And so then like Internet culture expanded and then we
expanded our coverage and now we're a podcast network.
I don't know that that's a story for another day, but you know,
that's, that's the story. Yeah, OK.
Should I start interviewing? Yeah, literally.
OK, so you have had a few different lives in media.
Can you tell us a little bit about the journey of your
career, the story of your career and how that has shaped you?
Becoming or being chronically online?
I've always been in the social media world.
I feel like I kind of started, I started like in journalism and
writing. I really wanted to do that.
And then as I kind of became more aware that less writing
jobs were available and the salaries were shrinking and
shrinking, I was like social media, like that's what I want
to get into. And so I first worked for like a
Muesli company doing their socials.
Oh my God, like doing all the photography, all the videos.
Like I was really bad at it, to be honest.
And it was like me, I was a one woman show just like so stressed
all the time being like photo, video and stuff would get like,
this is like the peak of Instagram where you'd get like
14 likes. I would only be shown to people
who follow you. Yeah.
Oh man, it was so bad. But when you got over the 11, it
said 11 likes, so that was always the win.
Exactly. Getting 14 likes, You're like,
yes, like three of them are like my friends.
Yeah, yeah. And then I was just like, I
don't want to do social media anymore.
I hate it. And then I went overseas and
like went travelling for like 4. She is.
And that's when I moved to Toronto.
And then I think I was just like, yeah, I've always been
fascinated with online culture and just like how the world is
shaped like I love Tumblr. Back in the day had a Myspace.
Like I've been online. Yeah, yeah.
Then I did the tick tock stuff and I just thought that was just
such a new interesting, like I'd been onto YouTube.
I love YouTube, but I thought the TikTok space was so
interesting at the time. Yeah.
And then I just like kind of got into video making and I just
started trying things. And I was always someone who
like loved travel vlogs as well. And I just tried to like go out
and do stuff. But I liked that TikTok was very
like short form and not like, OK, I don't have to spend 4 days
making a YouTube video. I can just spend like 2 days or
a day on. It I wanted to get your take on
how you stay mentally well, if you feel mentally well while
being a freelancer and being chronically online.
It's definitely been a challenge, like starting this 10
hour screen time channel. Wait like tell me about 10 hour
screen time? Yeah, OK, so 10 hour screen time
is a TikTok and Instagram that I started basically just reporting
on chronically online things. And it's really been like a
slippery slope to not become like a drama or like.
Yeah, like AT. Channel because I just like
don't because obviously, yeah, coming from ABCI just found
there was such AI thought all of this stuff was just like widely
known. Everyone knew what a
performative male was and then my boss would be like, I have no
idea what that is and I'd be like, you're kidding.
I need to like go and tell someone right now.
And then it just became this like niche that I loved of just
like explaining like why the online world and the offline
world like we're connecting and like these look alike
competitions and things like that and how they all kind of
happened. And yeah, I just started it
because I was just like, I mean if this if there's if there's an
appetite for it at ABC, then they'll definitely be an
appetite for it like off outside of that.
And even videos where I think that it's like everyone knows
what I'm talking about or everyone I'm seeing so many Tik
Toks on a certain topic like performative males or like AI
Jake Paul, like those videos have done better than I ever
thought they would even though I'd think that everyone's
talking about this. Yeah, it's really odd.
I think it's because they're also about public figures.
People have very I spoke well. Performative males not so much.
But anything that's about creators, even if they're not a
controversial creator, everybody has an opinion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas on Instagram, the stuff
hasn't been performing as well, which I thought was interesting
'cause I think that I thought that those people would want to
know it more. Whereas I saw the opposite with
ABC. I feel like there was always
older people being like, huh? Or people in the comments being
like older people being, I mean sorry, younger people on TikTok
being like we already knew this. I don't know.
It was really interesting, I guess, just different.
Audiences completely so we actually fun fact in 2024 we
actually stopped publishing on Instagram yeah because we saw
the same thing. The content that we create is
Internet culture. It's about like similar to what
you're creating talking about what's happening between
creators and what's happening in the tech space whatever and that
content just did not perform on Instagram.
That's interesting. And I had a meeting with like a
mentor ish man in media. So it was very high up in media
early on in 2024 and not and you know I was talking to him about
that and it wasn't the reason why I met with him but I was
just telling him this. I was like, this is a pain point
for me like our Instagram just doesn't translate, but our
TikTok does really well our podcast, everything.
And then he was like, if it doesn't do well and that's not
where your audience is and the content that you're creating is
not made for Instagram, just don't do Instagram.
Yeah, I mean, and again, that's like taking care of your mental
health and figuring it out and doing it as you as you need to.
Yeah, 100% and it's true. Like sometimes the content you
think will hit like it just doesn't transform.
Yeah, it's so bizarre. Anyway, whatever.
So where? Where do you want to take 10
hours screen time? It's a great question.
I don't know. Yeah.
It's very new. Yeah, exactly.
I just started it and like, I guess I'm still figuring it out.
Like right now I'm just doing it for the like things that I see
interesting and I just wanna do it as a side thing for now.
I mean, I was chatting to this random person DMD me and he's
like, I saw you in the 2000 followers.
That's crazy. What do you mean you should be
posting two times a day? I'm like, I didn't make money, I
need to make money. Also that advice doesn't work
anymore. Absolutely.
No. But it's a slippery slope.
And I feel like this is like kind of the challenge that I'm
finding at the moment is just like, where's the line?
And like, where do I, what things do I not post and what
things do I do post? And what things do I want to
talk about? What things do I not want to
talk about? And I'm still figuring that out.
Like, I, I remember there was all this like this glam bot
drama. Yeah.
That happened last week. And like, doesn't even care
about it now. No, but it's like, you put so
much time and energy into something.
Yeah. Oh, Oh, so really?
Cut to the dog being on the chair being interviewed.
That's funny. You know, we're outside, we're
in the elements. Exactly.
But no, I understand the struggle between feeling like
OK, I want to report on Internet culture trends, what's
happening, but I also don't want to become a drama channel.
Exactly. Yeah, it's just it's a really
slippery slope. And like, again, speaking about
mental health and all these things, like, it's definitely
hard to just be like, set boundaries up for yourself
because yeah, as well, like, this stuff just doesn't matter
in like a month. Yeah, and you don't want to
necessarily contribute to someone's dogpile.
Yeah, exactly. I struggle with.
Exactly. Yeah.
And it's like really something that I've been thinking about.
I guess like with doing this channel is like, what do I, what
do I want it to be? But I guess for now I'm like,
OK, it's fun to post and like I really enjoy like kind of
getting in the weeds with it all and just doing the goofy editing
and chatting about what I want. I'm chatting about this stuff
with my friends anyway, so I'd rather just like, do something
productive with it and make a video out of it, yeah.
So, yeah, yeah. Good.
How long does it take you to create a video from start to
finish? Depends on the video and depends
on like how much research I personally want to do on it,
which I guess is also a benefit of doing it yourself.
It can be anywhere from like 2 hours to like a whole day.
It really depends on the like the topic and yeah, what's
what's happening and how like good I want the edit to be If
I'm just like whatever, I don't have time.
Yeah, I guess it it'll be more depending on my actual time.
Yeah, that I have. Yeah, that makes sense.
So with topics that you cover that are time sensitive, yeah.
Do you feel a pressure to jump on it really quickly?
And if so, how do you handle the mental health implications of
that or the pressure, the mental load of that?
Oh, 100%. I like personally will beat
myself up about it. No, really not not badly.
I'm just like, go, you should be posting this thing.
You should be posting this thing.
And then I'm just like, yeah, it's not that deep.
I like I will, I'll check myself.
I think it's like if I have a personal hot take on it, I will
try and like jump on it as soon as possible.
But I think I don't know really just like yeah, I do struggle
with it and I don't know. It's also just depend on how
much time I have as well. Like I will try and make it work
and if I really can't, then it's not the end of the world.
Again, like I think cuz I know this stuff isn't going to be
super relevant or trending within a month, I'm not so
attached to it. So I've just learned to just
whatever with it, yeah. Okay so do you have any lines
like clear boundaries talking about quote UN quote Internet
drama that you will not cross? I think when it's just like
hearsay and it's just like no one said anything factual or
when it is just does feel like petty drama.
I'm like, I don't think I need to post on that just cuz I don't
know. It's just like not yeah, I don't
wanna pile on. I don't wanna dump on it.
And just to say this person said this, even the cold glam bot
stuff, I was just like, I feel weird posting about this cuz
it's just like this woman sent an e-mail then someone came out
being like he is actually yeah, he rude.
This is an e-mail from 2019. I mean, the e-mail was funny and
I thought the whole thing was just like ridiculous.
Yeah. And I kind of like to say that
even in the like video of just like, what are we all doing
here? Like it doesn't really matter at
the end of the day. Like the Tara Lynn.
Fucking Oh my God, yes. Hold it up.
That was crazy. I've talked about that too many
times. Like it's a main character right
now, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, I think, yeah, you just have to kind of acknowledge
that it is just petty drama. Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah.
And sometimes they have larger like, you know, cultural
implications and you can pull different trends and
perspectives from it. But in general, exactly.
There's a lot of stuff online that we cover too that is just
like petty and dump. Do you feel?
Like there's like a massive rabbit hole as well.
Like you want to, I don't know if it's just my feed at the
moment because I'm doing all of this stuff, but I'll say one
thing and then like that'll lead me into another rabbit hole and
then that'll lead me into another drama rabbit hole.
I'm like, what? People like, do people care
about this as much as they care about this thing?
Yes. No, totally.
I mean, I've really trained my algorithms.
People ask us all the time because we do a daily like news
podcast on the Internet culture and people like how do you find
the stories everyday? And I'm like, I mean, my
algorithm just shows me what I need to know because I've just
trained it now for so many years.
Exactly. So 100%.
It's just that rabbit hole that keeps you going.
Yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's a real.
I mean, I think that's why you're doing well.
It's like you're kind of reporting onto multiple stories
rather than like I'm doing 1 as one video.
Yeah, it's just different styles of format, like our TikTok.
Now we did used to do that kind of stuff on TikTok, but now it's
mostly just clips of the podcast and it's usually me sharing like
an opinion on the story. Yeah, exactly.
So then that's like gonna do really well, yeah, Because
people love an. Opinion.
Oh my God, yeah, definitely love just to be like, that's wrong.
Exactly. I need to talk to you about
heated rivalry. Yes.
OK, so you are doing a Sydney's look alike competition.
Yeah. Tell me about it.
I. Again, like I'm just fascinated
in the world that exists online and how it comes into reality
and how people engage with it in real life.
And I just, I mean, obviously I'm down bad for both of them,
mainly Hudson. Hudson, if you're listening, hi,
I'm down. He's definitely listening.
And I just thought, I mean, obviously it's taken from the
success of the other ones that have done really well.
And I just thought like Australia never gets anything
fun. Yeah, like I just want to put it
on. I genuinely, I was like also in
the mindset of like someone's going to do it before me.
I got to get him first. And I was just like, OK, let's
just see what happens. And it's definitely blowing up
more than I I thought it would and I'm a little bit terrified
of what's to come to be honest, so don't want to prepare.
This Friday. Saturday.
Saturday at 1:00 PM I mean, I don't know when this kind of
come out, but. It will have happened before
this comes out, so maybe. It was, yeah.
Yeah. I think it's going to be
amazing. It's like literally going viral.
Yes, your posters everywhere. That's great.
That's great, yeah. Not scared at all.
This is like also the crazy thing about the Internet is
someone with I think they had 40 followers posted the poster and
that's done more like had more traction than anything I've
posted. That's amazing.
Wild. Yeah, that's.
Crazy. Anyway, all they did is posted
the poster and we're reading it out loud and that's got 32,000
likes right now, no? Way, Yeah.
I love that it's just wack and also just goes to show like
anyone can just be on TikTok like you don't you don't need
anything like anyway. TikTok is totally democratized
by real fame. Absolutely.
You don't need followings. And yeah, anyway.
Oh. My God, that's fun.
So how are you like organizing this?
Like what's going on? It's a great question, I don't
fully know. So who's the judge?
I think the the group is going to be the judges.
Like us collectively, we're going to be judging.
Yeah. Because it's just, I mean,
that's too hard to pick out actual judges.
And it's like, how are they qualified?
What's their story? I think people in the audience
will just be like, hey, and I'm also just, I just don't know to.
Should I expect 100 people? Should I expect like 5000?
I don't know. I fear like 5000.
Like I'm not joking. Definitely more than 100.
Definitely. Especially.
Because you're doing it in Newtown, right?
Like people just like trickle in.
Exactly, exactly, exactly. And I just like the biggest
expense right now is the speakers and the mics cuz I'm
like OK, well I need like APA system or do I need a platform
maybe? I don't know.
The whole thing's crazy. My God, you should get a
sponsor. I'm trying, I'm trying.
If you know anyone, I'll come through in a week.
In a week, literally this week, I've.
Been trying to contact HBO about it and they're dragging their
feet anyway. Have they answered you?
No, yeah, no. But the the like the competition
I just thought was, again, Australia doesn't get anything
fun. I feel like it's just a fun way
for us all to kind of hold hands and be like, how great is this
show? Yeah.
And again, like, it's just it's had this chronically online
moment. And it's just interesting to
like, all of my group chats have kind of like revived because of
this, this show. And I think it's just like a
nice way to just connect everyone.
The fandom is so rabid. Exactly, I love it myself.
Included Why am I making a look alike competition?
No, it's actually like the lore is crazy.
Like this is such a side quest. I.
Know I'm like I'm like that's crazy like the fans are crazy
and I'm like I'm making a look alike on that's.
True. You're like, yeah, me.
Oh my God. No, You know what?
You should actually do all of the like official look like
competitions like chronically online ones for city for
Australia. Finger.
I'll start a business, yeah. And.
You can have sponsors for every single one true.
You gotta do think about. It's like I are all community
events. That's actually so true.
You could have like food trucks. We could monetize this.
For all look alike the festival, yes.
My God yes, if anybody wants to sponsor her.
Wait a second, it's. Actually really fun.
I love that bringing a. Move over laneway.
No, it's like it's literally like Comic Con but for like TV.
So true. You know, the irony is like I
reckon the people who win the look like contest could go on to
be dupe like the dupes, like the Australian dupes, which is so
funny. Yeah, Anyway, my.
God, you gotta get the news there.
Yeah, yeah, ABC's coming. It was good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way.
OK. Wow.
This would be huge. I wanna hear about your take on
the analog trend. Yes, OK I but I also think like
if I was someone who wasn't in social media at all and I was
like a nurse or like someone I don't know left a field whatever
not in this industry even remotely.
I would probably try to be off my phone less cuz I just, I
wouldn't know, think like why am I?
It's already you don't need to be in the space of like damaging
my mental health and like I was feeling tied to it.
I, I think it's great to disconnect and I, I really want
to get a break. But I did go a week without a
smartphone for ABC for yeah, I got like a dumb phone and
printed out like a bus route and things like that for a week.
As like a tet like as a. Story as like as content lol.
Oh my God. I love the irony.
I did it for a week though and it was great.
I actually like definitely found my brain was more just like
switched on and just less floaty.
That would definitely benefits and now I have like a higher
screen time than ever, so it's fine.
How do you find that you combat the brain mush that comes with
having such a high screen time? Yeah, I do like this year
particular, I've just definitely wanted to prioritize reading and
like watch movies without getting my phone out, like do
things that brings me joy. And I know that like we'll bring
me joy and help my mental health and like make me a more
intellectual, articulate person. And I do realize that I think as
well, like I'm not working full time at the moment.
So I do have the luxury of just like, OK, I can be chronically
online for like maybe 9:00 to 5:00 and like doom scroll and
like post a video about being chronically online and then I
can switch off in the evenings. I do feel like I have more space
and leeway to do that because this is sort of like a side
hustle job thing that I'm trying to build up at the moment.
I mean, I think the analog trend is interesting, but someone made
a good point of like, what are we doing?
I mean, I think it was the 2 broke chicks.
I said like, what are we doing once this trend dies?
And like, are we all just going to like throw out our books and
physical media and like, it's again, we're going to like go
back in the jam, clean up and donate all this stuff because
we're not actually doing it. So I think like if you're going
to set the boundary, you do have to try and stick to it, I guess.
But it's hard. It's really hard to be analog,
especially in this society. But I if you can do it, go for
it. Yeah, I feel like not everyone
can do it, which is the problem. Like there's so many barriers
exactly to being and there's so much privilege to being able to
just log. Off 100 percent, 100%, yeah.
But I think if I wasn't in this industry, I would definitely try
and more graphs. I'm literally so jealous of my
friends that are offline. They work in like finance or.
Something yeah yes the dream yeah yeah yeah when you like
talk to someone about the I don't know whatever the Jake
Paul AI stuff or whatever and they're like huh who's that like
what what's going on or they're. Sending you reels that you saw
on TikTok like 100 years ago and you're like, I'm so jealous of
this. Like I wish that this is my
timeline right now. Yeah.
Do you find that it keeps you like I don't know.
I do feel like I'm 33, so I'm definitely in the millennial
range and I do feel like younger for sure quote to my peers.
I'm. 34 and I feel like 24 compared to like half.
My friends, yeah. Because.
It does keep you younger for. Sure, absolutely.
Which is a weird thing. OK, so finally can you tell me
how you touch grass? Yes, I definitely have my
designated times that I don't go on my phone and I've tried this
thing called turning it off and that does wonders.
Have you? No, I'm serious now.
Literally it's. Actually wild, like turning it
off is the simplest thing you can do.
And then I don't look at it, it's wild.
And then I'll go to like pick it up and be like, Oh yeah, I
turned it off. Having said that, that's a new
rule. And I actually downloaded an app
that tells you how many pickups you do, like how many times it
pick, you pick up. I've got to like 150 easily
within the day. It was really fucked.
Oh my God, I swear. But yes, of course.
And I'm just, yeah, again, like I'm really trying to prioritize
like watching movies, reading books, like trying to get back
into things that's not that aren't so like brain rot.
Yes, it's so hard though, like that dopamine hit, but I can
feel it. I can feel myself like being
addicted in the moment. Absolutely.
I'm like, this is 100%, yeah. Especially when I'm like, I'm
like one eye open, like like at 9, I'm like so bad.
And then like just so many videos now because they're all
trying to like optimize for the algorithm.
They're just so intense. Sometimes it's like, and I'm
like, this is crazy. Like we all just need to relax.
Can I just watch a nice little reel anyway?
Like those guys that use the riser, you know the riser that.
Sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my.
God annoys me so much. Anyway, yeah, I think I'm just
like this year. I'm really trying to prioritize
not picking up my phone. Turning your phone off is a life
hack. I've literally never thought to
do that. I'm serious.
I've never thought to do that, but I should do that.
Because also, my techs and most of my stuff are connected to my
desktop anyway. So like, even if I turn it off,
I'm not gonna miss any of that crazy emergency.
Yeah, and I'm checking that probably, like, more often than
I check my phone anyway. But it's actually really nice to
just turn it off. Yeah, I know the life hack is
turning your phone off and also like physically going out and
touching grass. Definitely also want to try and
do more like weekends away and like getting out of the city
and. La La la and like honestly being
amongst your neighborhood and like speaking to people on the
street and like going to the cafe and like talking to your
barista like that stuff like hard for me because I feel shy,
but. No, get rid of.
That but it's so it it makes a huge difference yeah just being
like none of these people here know about any of this random
shit that I'm scrolling totally and it makes a huge difference
to think like that 100. Percent one thing I really want
to do this year because I do like the pool heist as well.
I like sneak into. Dust Pool.
Crazy. I love it.
I really want to challenge myself this year to like go door
knocking and like just go to someone's house and like, hey,
can I swim in your pool? No way for the content.
It's I'm getting looks of. Yeah, you were disgusted.
I think they would go viral. That's what I'm saying, up the
stakes. I'm done with the pool, hotel,
pools. I think I've done everyone in
Sydney, which is kind of crazy. Anyway.
My God. Anyway, that's another podcast
episode. That's another side quest, girl.
You're filled with side. Quests.
Lena's doing things. She's doing things.
You know what you are. Thank you so much.
This has been so much fun. Thanks for having me.
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