1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Welcome to Touchgrass, a miniseries where I chat with 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,120 creatives about staying sane while being chronically online. 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,000 I'm your host, Lauren Meisner, and Touchgrass is a miniseries 4 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,440 brought to you by Britta, where we explore the implications of 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,440 being chronically online with the creatives who can't escape 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,560 it. One thing that keeps coming up 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,920 in these conversations is how important small grounding 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,400 routines are offline. And for me, one of those 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,440 routines is drinking enough water. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Whether I'm refilling my water bottle for a long walk or taking 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,400 a break from scrolling my For You page, Britta makes it easy 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,560 for me to stay hydrated and grounded with pure, fresh 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,840 tasting filtered water straight from any tap. 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,240 Thank you to Britta for supporting independent media and 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,760 helping us take better care of ourselves, one refill at a time. 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,600 Today I'm chatting with Lena Tuck, a social media producer, 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,400 TikTok commentary creator, and the organizer of Sydney's viral 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,400 heated rivalry look alike contest. 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,800 Lena and I chat about how she shamelessly pursued her dream 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,000 Tik Talk career, what it's like being chronically online in our 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,720 30s, and how she touches grass while going viral. 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,600 Hello, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to chat with you 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,120 about all things being chronically online, your career, 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,760 and how you stay mentally sane. I don't. 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Oh, OK. Getting into it. 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,640 Fair enough. OK, so before we get into it, 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,640 can you tell me, do you consider yourself chronically online? 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,560 And if So, what does that mean to you? 29 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Absolutely. I did actually check my screen 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,160 time before coming here and it's sitting around 5 to 6 hours, 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:33,520 which I thought that's pretty good. 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:34,960 Yeah, I thought it was a lot worse. 33 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:39,120 So I would say I'm definitely chronically online, but in a way 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,240 where I think I can still touch grass. 35 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,120 I worked in agency life before this. 36 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,600 And so I have like the strategy kind of brain and I feel like I 37 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,960 kind of curated my feed to be a lot more like this is what's 38 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,920 happening, this is what's trending, This is what's like 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,040 happening on TikTok. Yeah. 40 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,960 I don't know what other people see on their feeds, but I feel 41 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,840 like I get a lot of like the trending things happening. 42 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,440 So yeah, I would say I'm just tapped into the matrix plugged 43 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,880 in. Yeah, from a from a wider 44 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,240 perspective, I suppose then then being so granular, although 45 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,039 that's not true because you actually do spill the tea on 46 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:11,440 TikTok. Now I'm jumping ahead a little 47 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,480 bit, but you actually are in the weeds of the. 48 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Class and I am ready to talk about it. 49 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,640 I feel like this is going to be a good therapy session actually. 50 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,800 I love that. OK, so can you first tell us a 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,000 little bit about how you got chronically online? 52 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,080 Because we did read somewhere that you pitched Pedestrian TV 53 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,480 here to do their TikTok before TikTok was even really a thing. 54 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,040 Yeah, I got stuck in Toronto, Canada during COVID. 55 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,000 Oh. God, I'm from Toronto. 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,240 Oh, no way. Yeah, yeah, I got, I was living 57 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,880 there for two years and then during COVID, I like kind of got 58 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,120 stuck there. I mean, I've always been someone 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,640 who's online like I've, I've loved Instagram, like I've 60 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:49,840 always wanted to like be a part of it or create content and do 61 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,360 that sort of thing. And then I got stuck in Toronto, 62 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,560 Canada during Covad and TikTok was obviously taking off and I 63 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,800 just saw all these people making content. 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,840 I just thought it was like such an interesting new way of doing 65 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,840 things, like a little YouTube essentially. 66 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,920 And I was like, I can do this. And then I got back to Australia 67 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:10,720 and I just like didn't see any Australian like media companies 68 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,600 or brands like kind of doing it in the same way that Canada or 69 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,040 America was doing it. And so I just saw the ripe fruit 70 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,400 of pedestrian. And I was like, yeah, I'm going 71 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,720 to just cold pitch a bunch of stuff to them and see if they 72 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,360 take it because I'm already tapped into the matrix. 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,920 I may as well just like pitch it and see what happens. 74 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,000 And it took like 6 months of me following up. 75 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,160 I made a video, I think, I think I made a video to them to be 76 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,280 like, to be like, guys, This is why you should die of me and 77 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,760 This is why I'm really great. And they sent a reply to that 78 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,800 and they were like, we love her, she's so good. 79 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,640 And then I didn't hear anything for six months. 80 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,120 So it took six months of me following. 81 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,840 I love that though. That's the kind of audacity that 82 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,200 you need to have in this industry. 83 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,440 Exactly. Exactly. 84 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,400 And it worked after six months, but I just, yeah, I was just 85 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,480 fully tapped into making happening stuff. 86 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,080 And yeah, what was happening online. 87 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,720 And I just like, saw there was such a niche for this small mini 88 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,680 YouTube that, yeah, wasn't really being done in the same 89 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,360 way. Yeah. 90 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,000 No, I totally agree. So we launched in December 2019. 91 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,320 Yeah, wow. And our first TikTok video was a 92 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,399 clip down of Nikki tutorials coming out as trans in January 93 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,240 2020. And the reason why we started 94 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,880 posting like that, like, you know, Internet culture news was 95 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,440 because we were, we knew we needed to be on TikTok and we 96 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,600 were like, we don't know what we're going to do. 97 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,000 And again, this was like 2019. This is before we went into 98 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,200 lockdown, like everything. And it was literally my husband 99 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,960 who was like, well, if people are sharing news on YouTube and 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,600 they're sharing news on Instagram, why don't you just 101 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,960 share your stories that you're writing on your website? 102 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,480 At the time, we were more of likea.com on TikTok, like just 103 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,200 clip them into Tik Toks. And we were kind of like, OK, I 104 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,720 guess we'll try. And so we did. 105 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,040 And that actually, like, TikTok was our biggest commercial 106 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,160 driver for years because brands here were either not allowed to 107 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,560 have local TikTok accounts. Yeah. 108 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,440 So they wanted to work on TikTok in some way, or they didn't have 109 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,840 any, like, youth media brands that were doing TikTok at the. 110 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:02,880 Time. Yeah, exactly. 111 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,440 And they weren't, I mean, even now, like, I think brands and 112 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,240 companies like Channel 7 or big like news organizations early 113 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,000 now kind of just catching up to it. 114 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,160 And they're like, oh, we should hire someone who's dedicated on 115 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:14,960 this now. Yeah. 116 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Where it's like, we're in 2026. Like I mean you doing in 117 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,440 20/29/2019 is crazy. Yeah, yeah. 118 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,840 Well, because we always knew we were going to be like youth and 119 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:25,400 we're like, OK, this is the thing. 120 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,080 We could just see it. Like we could just see that it 121 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,680 was coming up. Wait, I want to ask about you. 122 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,960 How are you so tapped in? Like how did you like what? 123 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,560 How did this? I mean, we can also chat about 124 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,160 it offline, no? That's fine. 125 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,320 I just was always chronically online. 126 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,240 Like I just always loved YouTube. 127 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,440 That was my number one beauty. YouTube was like my gateway into 128 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,640 the chronically online, which I feel like is for a lot of 129 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,360 people. The James Charles scandal of. 130 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,440 Course like my sister, all the drama gettins we somehow 131 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,200 referenced Ramageddon in all of these interviews so far. 132 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,800 It's literally my favorite topic. 133 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,280 But yeah, no, I just was always so tapped into like beauty 134 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:02,000 YouTube and this is actually how it happened is I was working in 135 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,920 media, I was working in lifestyle at Bauer when it was 136 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,680 Bauer writing beauty when Jaclyn Hills lipsticks happened. 137 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,600 And I was like, we need to write about this. 138 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Like this is happening in the beauty space. 139 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,080 I was a beauty writer and at the time it was just like, no, we 140 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,680 don't cover that. We don't cover creators, all 141 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,320 that kind of stuff. And I was just so frustrated 142 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,880 about that because I just knew if you want to reach the youth 143 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,280 audience that you claim you reach, you need to be covering 144 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:28,720 these people that are actually tapped in to the youth beauty 145 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,760 consumer 100%. And I would listen to every 146 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,200 single pop culture podcast, whether they were in Australia 147 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,440 or internationally that was talking about Jaclyn Hill's 148 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,720 lipsticks because for the first time, you, I think drama by 149 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,680 sister also broke through to the mainstream. 150 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:45,480 But it was really one of the first examples of like creator 151 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,520 first story that broke through. And all of the podcasts that I 152 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,400 was listening to got like so much information wrong. 153 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,600 They didn't know anything cuz nobody had ever covered Jaclyn 154 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Hill in that kind of way except for drama channels. 155 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,440 And I was like, no, there, there needs to be a media brand that's 156 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,200 covering this. So we were actually Centennial 157 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,840 beauty because we were more beauty focused at the beginning. 158 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:05,040 We were much more like about the beauty industry and like the 159 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,840 online space. And then obviously, as I just 160 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,840 said, TikTok literally changed everything. 161 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,160 And so then like Internet culture expanded and then we 162 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,480 expanded our coverage and now we're a podcast network. 163 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,240 I don't know that that's a story for another day, but you know, 164 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,480 that's, that's the story. Yeah, OK. 165 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Should I start interviewing? Yeah, literally. 166 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,520 OK, so you have had a few different lives in media. 167 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,880 Can you tell us a little bit about the journey of your 168 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,800 career, the story of your career and how that has shaped you? 169 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Becoming or being chronically online? 170 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,000 I've always been in the social media world. 171 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,160 I feel like I kind of started, I started like in journalism and 172 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,880 writing. I really wanted to do that. 173 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,200 And then as I kind of became more aware that less writing 174 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,080 jobs were available and the salaries were shrinking and 175 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,280 shrinking, I was like social media, like that's what I want 176 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,160 to get into. And so I first worked for like a 177 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Muesli company doing their socials. 178 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,760 Oh my God, like doing all the photography, all the videos. 179 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,360 Like I was really bad at it, to be honest. 180 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,600 And it was like me, I was a one woman show just like so stressed 181 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,320 all the time being like photo, video and stuff would get like, 182 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,520 this is like the peak of Instagram where you'd get like 183 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,520 14 likes. I would only be shown to people 184 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,320 who follow you. Yeah. 185 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,840 Oh man, it was so bad. But when you got over the 11, it 186 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,880 said 11 likes, so that was always the win. 187 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,480 Exactly. Getting 14 likes, You're like, 188 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,760 yes, like three of them are like my friends. 189 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,720 Yeah, yeah. And then I was just like, I 190 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:28,880 don't want to do social media anymore. 191 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,200 I hate it. And then I went overseas and 192 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,480 like went travelling for like 4. She is. 193 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:35,720 And that's when I moved to Toronto. 194 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,640 And then I think I was just like, yeah, I've always been 195 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,600 fascinated with online culture and just like how the world is 196 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,120 shaped like I love Tumblr. Back in the day had a Myspace. 197 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,600 Like I've been online. Yeah, yeah. 198 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:50,120 Then I did the tick tock stuff and I just thought that was just 199 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,040 such a new interesting, like I'd been onto YouTube. 200 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,680 I love YouTube, but I thought the TikTok space was so 201 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:56,720 interesting at the time. Yeah. 202 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,000 And then I just like kind of got into video making and I just 203 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,680 started trying things. And I was always someone who 204 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:05,280 like loved travel vlogs as well. And I just tried to like go out 205 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,080 and do stuff. But I liked that TikTok was very 206 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,360 like short form and not like, OK, I don't have to spend 4 days 207 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,280 making a YouTube video. I can just spend like 2 days or 208 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,640 a day on. It I wanted to get your take on 209 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,880 how you stay mentally well, if you feel mentally well while 210 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,320 being a freelancer and being chronically online. 211 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,200 It's definitely been a challenge, like starting this 10 212 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,800 hour screen time channel. Wait like tell me about 10 hour 213 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,840 screen time? Yeah, OK, so 10 hour screen time 214 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,440 is a TikTok and Instagram that I started basically just reporting 215 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,640 on chronically online things. And it's really been like a 216 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,520 slippery slope to not become like a drama or like. 217 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,720 Yeah, like AT. Channel because I just like 218 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,760 don't because obviously, yeah, coming from ABCI just found 219 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,720 there was such AI thought all of this stuff was just like widely 220 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,680 known. Everyone knew what a 221 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:54,160 performative male was and then my boss would be like, I have no 222 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,480 idea what that is and I'd be like, you're kidding. 223 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,880 I need to like go and tell someone right now. 224 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,960 And then it just became this like niche that I loved of just 225 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,040 like explaining like why the online world and the offline 226 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,440 world like we're connecting and like these look alike 227 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,280 competitions and things like that and how they all kind of 228 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:14,400 happened. And yeah, I just started it 229 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,600 because I was just like, I mean if this if there's if there's an 230 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,720 appetite for it at ABC, then they'll definitely be an 231 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,800 appetite for it like off outside of that. 232 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,240 And even videos where I think that it's like everyone knows 233 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,920 what I'm talking about or everyone I'm seeing so many Tik 234 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,960 Toks on a certain topic like performative males or like AI 235 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,360 Jake Paul, like those videos have done better than I ever 236 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,320 thought they would even though I'd think that everyone's 237 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,040 talking about this. Yeah, it's really odd. 238 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,000 I think it's because they're also about public figures. 239 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,760 People have very I spoke well. Performative males not so much. 240 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,000 But anything that's about creators, even if they're not a 241 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,960 controversial creator, everybody has an opinion. 242 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas on Instagram, the stuff 243 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,000 hasn't been performing as well, which I thought was interesting 244 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,840 'cause I think that I thought that those people would want to 245 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,840 know it more. Whereas I saw the opposite with 246 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,320 ABC. I feel like there was always 247 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 older people being like, huh? Or people in the comments being 248 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,160 like older people being, I mean sorry, younger people on TikTok 249 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,400 being like we already knew this. I don't know. 250 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,120 It was really interesting, I guess, just different. 251 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Audiences completely so we actually fun fact in 2024 we 252 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,320 actually stopped publishing on Instagram yeah because we saw 253 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,040 the same thing. The content that we create is 254 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Internet culture. It's about like similar to what 255 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,360 you're creating talking about what's happening between 256 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,080 creators and what's happening in the tech space whatever and that 257 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,280 content just did not perform on Instagram. 258 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,680 That's interesting. And I had a meeting with like a 259 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:39,440 mentor ish man in media. So it was very high up in media 260 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,440 early on in 2024 and not and you know I was talking to him about 261 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,360 that and it wasn't the reason why I met with him but I was 262 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,440 just telling him this. I was like, this is a pain point 263 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,840 for me like our Instagram just doesn't translate, but our 264 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,200 TikTok does really well our podcast, everything. 265 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,000 And then he was like, if it doesn't do well and that's not 266 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,280 where your audience is and the content that you're creating is 267 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,120 not made for Instagram, just don't do Instagram. 268 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,760 Yeah, I mean, and again, that's like taking care of your mental 269 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,400 health and figuring it out and doing it as you as you need to. 270 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,640 Yeah, 100% and it's true. Like sometimes the content you 271 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,320 think will hit like it just doesn't transform. 272 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Yeah, it's so bizarre. Anyway, whatever. 273 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:16,240 So where? Where do you want to take 10 274 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,680 hours screen time? It's a great question. 275 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,160 I don't know. Yeah. 276 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,720 It's very new. Yeah, exactly. 277 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,200 I just started it and like, I guess I'm still figuring it out. 278 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,680 Like right now I'm just doing it for the like things that I see 279 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:32,280 interesting and I just wanna do it as a side thing for now. 280 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,760 I mean, I was chatting to this random person DMD me and he's 281 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,080 like, I saw you in the 2000 followers. 282 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 That's crazy. What do you mean you should be 283 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,680 posting two times a day? I'm like, I didn't make money, I 284 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:46,000 need to make money. Also that advice doesn't work 285 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,040 anymore. Absolutely. 286 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,360 No. But it's a slippery slope. 287 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,240 And I feel like this is like kind of the challenge that I'm 288 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,600 finding at the moment is just like, where's the line? 289 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,840 And like, where do I, what things do I not post and what 290 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,400 things do I do post? And what things do I want to 291 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,480 talk about? What things do I not want to 292 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,160 talk about? And I'm still figuring that out. 293 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,040 Like, I, I remember there was all this like this glam bot 294 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:06,760 drama. Yeah. 295 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,960 That happened last week. And like, doesn't even care 296 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,640 about it now. No, but it's like, you put so 297 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,640 much time and energy into something. 298 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,120 Yeah. Oh, Oh, so really? 299 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,440 Cut to the dog being on the chair being interviewed. 300 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:20,760 That's funny. You know, we're outside, we're 301 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:21,720 in the elements. Exactly. 302 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,960 But no, I understand the struggle between feeling like 303 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,640 OK, I want to report on Internet culture trends, what's 304 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,800 happening, but I also don't want to become a drama channel. 305 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,840 Exactly. Yeah, it's just it's a really 306 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,040 slippery slope. And like, again, speaking about 307 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,000 mental health and all these things, like, it's definitely 308 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,680 hard to just be like, set boundaries up for yourself 309 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,080 because yeah, as well, like, this stuff just doesn't matter 310 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,280 in like a month. Yeah, and you don't want to 311 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,560 necessarily contribute to someone's dogpile. 312 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Yeah, exactly. I struggle with. 313 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,400 Exactly. Yeah. 314 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,240 And it's like really something that I've been thinking about. 315 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,480 I guess like with doing this channel is like, what do I, what 316 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,120 do I want it to be? But I guess for now I'm like, 317 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,800 OK, it's fun to post and like I really enjoy like kind of 318 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,080 getting in the weeds with it all and just doing the goofy editing 319 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,600 and chatting about what I want. I'm chatting about this stuff 320 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,200 with my friends anyway, so I'd rather just like, do something 321 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,480 productive with it and make a video out of it, yeah. 322 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,480 So, yeah, yeah. Good. 323 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:16,800 How long does it take you to create a video from start to 324 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,320 finish? Depends on the video and depends 325 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,640 on like how much research I personally want to do on it, 326 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 which I guess is also a benefit of doing it yourself. 327 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,960 It can be anywhere from like 2 hours to like a whole day. 328 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,600 It really depends on the like the topic and yeah, what's 329 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,600 what's happening and how like good I want the edit to be If 330 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,360 I'm just like whatever, I don't have time. 331 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,480 Yeah, I guess it it'll be more depending on my actual time. 332 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Yeah, that I have. Yeah, that makes sense. 333 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,720 So with topics that you cover that are time sensitive, yeah. 334 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,800 Do you feel a pressure to jump on it really quickly? 335 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,240 And if so, how do you handle the mental health implications of 336 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,160 that or the pressure, the mental load of that? 337 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,760 Oh, 100%. I like personally will beat 338 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,760 myself up about it. No, really not not badly. 339 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,600 I'm just like, go, you should be posting this thing. 340 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:05,560 You should be posting this thing. 341 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,520 And then I'm just like, yeah, it's not that deep. 342 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,360 I like I will, I'll check myself. 343 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,960 I think it's like if I have a personal hot take on it, I will 344 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,640 try and like jump on it as soon as possible. 345 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,480 But I think I don't know really just like yeah, I do struggle 346 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,120 with it and I don't know. It's also just depend on how 347 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,000 much time I have as well. Like I will try and make it work 348 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,400 and if I really can't, then it's not the end of the world. 349 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,440 Again, like I think cuz I know this stuff isn't going to be 350 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,880 super relevant or trending within a month, I'm not so 351 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,560 attached to it. So I've just learned to just 352 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,560 whatever with it, yeah. Okay so do you have any lines 353 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,480 like clear boundaries talking about quote UN quote Internet 354 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,240 drama that you will not cross? I think when it's just like 355 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,120 hearsay and it's just like no one said anything factual or 356 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,880 when it is just does feel like petty drama. 357 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,640 I'm like, I don't think I need to post on that just cuz I don't 358 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,920 know. It's just like not yeah, I don't 359 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,200 wanna pile on. I don't wanna dump on it. 360 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,160 And just to say this person said this, even the cold glam bot 361 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,920 stuff, I was just like, I feel weird posting about this cuz 362 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,240 it's just like this woman sent an e-mail then someone came out 363 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,200 being like he is actually yeah, he rude. 364 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,040 This is an e-mail from 2019. I mean, the e-mail was funny and 365 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,000 I thought the whole thing was just like ridiculous. 366 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,400 Yeah. And I kind of like to say that 367 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,600 even in the like video of just like, what are we all doing 368 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,680 here? Like it doesn't really matter at 369 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,120 the end of the day. Like the Tara Lynn. 370 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,240 Fucking Oh my God, yes. Hold it up. 371 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,360 That was crazy. I've talked about that too many 372 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,560 times. Like it's a main character right 373 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,240 now, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 374 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 And like, I think, yeah, you just have to kind of acknowledge 375 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,280 that it is just petty drama. Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah. 376 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,720 And sometimes they have larger like, you know, cultural 377 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,040 implications and you can pull different trends and 378 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,200 perspectives from it. But in general, exactly. 379 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,160 There's a lot of stuff online that we cover too that is just 380 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,760 like petty and dump. Do you feel? 381 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Like there's like a massive rabbit hole as well. 382 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,080 Like you want to, I don't know if it's just my feed at the 383 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,760 moment because I'm doing all of this stuff, but I'll say one 384 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,079 thing and then like that'll lead me into another rabbit hole and 385 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:07,760 then that'll lead me into another drama rabbit hole. 386 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,440 I'm like, what? People like, do people care 387 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,079 about this as much as they care about this thing? 388 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,079 Yes. No, totally. 389 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:13,960 I mean, I've really trained my algorithms. 390 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,119 People ask us all the time because we do a daily like news 391 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,240 podcast on the Internet culture and people like how do you find 392 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,000 the stories everyday? And I'm like, I mean, my 393 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,480 algorithm just shows me what I need to know because I've just 394 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,760 trained it now for so many years. 395 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,319 Exactly. So 100%. 396 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:27,040 It's just that rabbit hole that keeps you going. 397 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,000 Yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's a real. 398 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,840 I mean, I think that's why you're doing well. 399 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,200 It's like you're kind of reporting onto multiple stories 400 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,760 rather than like I'm doing 1 as one video. 401 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Yeah, it's just different styles of format, like our TikTok. 402 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,040 Now we did used to do that kind of stuff on TikTok, but now it's 403 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,560 mostly just clips of the podcast and it's usually me sharing like 404 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,240 an opinion on the story. Yeah, exactly. 405 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,760 So then that's like gonna do really well, yeah, Because 406 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,760 people love an. Opinion. 407 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,960 Oh my God, yeah, definitely love just to be like, that's wrong. 408 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,280 Exactly. I need to talk to you about 409 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,720 heated rivalry. Yes. 410 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,320 OK, so you are doing a Sydney's look alike competition. 411 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,480 Yeah. Tell me about it. 412 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,320 I. Again, like I'm just fascinated 413 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,160 in the world that exists online and how it comes into reality 414 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,800 and how people engage with it in real life. 415 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,520 And I just, I mean, obviously I'm down bad for both of them, 416 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,440 mainly Hudson. Hudson, if you're listening, hi, 417 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,800 I'm down. He's definitely listening. 418 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,920 And I just thought, I mean, obviously it's taken from the 419 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,280 success of the other ones that have done really well. 420 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,640 And I just thought like Australia never gets anything 421 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,640 fun. Yeah, like I just want to put it 422 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,480 on. I genuinely, I was like also in 423 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,560 the mindset of like someone's going to do it before me. 424 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,640 I got to get him first. And I was just like, OK, let's 425 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,680 just see what happens. And it's definitely blowing up 426 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,200 more than I I thought it would and I'm a little bit terrified 427 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,000 of what's to come to be honest, so don't want to prepare. 428 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,200 This Friday. Saturday. 429 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,840 Saturday at 1:00 PM I mean, I don't know when this kind of 430 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,440 come out, but. It will have happened before 431 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,200 this comes out, so maybe. It was, yeah. 432 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:56,360 Yeah. I think it's going to be 433 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:57,840 amazing. It's like literally going viral. 434 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,400 Yes, your posters everywhere. That's great. 435 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,200 That's great, yeah. Not scared at all. 436 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,520 This is like also the crazy thing about the Internet is 437 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,400 someone with I think they had 40 followers posted the poster and 438 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,760 that's done more like had more traction than anything I've 439 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,120 posted. That's amazing. 440 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,320 Wild. Yeah, that's. 441 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,080 Crazy. Anyway, all they did is posted 442 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,480 the poster and we're reading it out loud and that's got 32,000 443 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,520 likes right now, no? Way, Yeah. 444 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,400 I love that it's just wack and also just goes to show like 445 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,520 anyone can just be on TikTok like you don't you don't need 446 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,800 anything like anyway. TikTok is totally democratized 447 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,280 by real fame. Absolutely. 448 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,880 You don't need followings. And yeah, anyway. 449 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,560 Oh. My God, that's fun. 450 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,400 So how are you like organizing this? 451 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Like what's going on? It's a great question, I don't 452 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,360 fully know. So who's the judge? 453 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,320 I think the the group is going to be the judges. 454 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,520 Like us collectively, we're going to be judging. 455 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,200 Yeah. Because it's just, I mean, 456 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,280 that's too hard to pick out actual judges. 457 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:53,720 And it's like, how are they qualified? 458 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,120 What's their story? I think people in the audience 459 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:59,440 will just be like, hey, and I'm also just, I just don't know to. 460 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,600 Should I expect 100 people? Should I expect like 5000? 461 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,280 I don't know. I fear like 5000. 462 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,920 Like I'm not joking. Definitely more than 100. 463 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:09,920 Definitely. Especially. 464 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,160 Because you're doing it in Newtown, right? 465 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,480 Like people just like trickle in. 466 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,640 Exactly, exactly, exactly. And I just like the biggest 467 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,200 expense right now is the speakers and the mics cuz I'm 468 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,040 like OK, well I need like APA system or do I need a platform 469 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,280 maybe? I don't know. 470 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,640 The whole thing's crazy. My God, you should get a 471 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,840 sponsor. I'm trying, I'm trying. 472 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,720 If you know anyone, I'll come through in a week. 473 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,800 In a week, literally this week, I've. 474 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Been trying to contact HBO about it and they're dragging their 475 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,520 feet anyway. Have they answered you? 476 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,000 No, yeah, no. But the the like the competition 477 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,480 I just thought was, again, Australia doesn't get anything 478 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,240 fun. I feel like it's just a fun way 479 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,960 for us all to kind of hold hands and be like, how great is this 480 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,840 show? Yeah. 481 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,120 And again, like, it's just it's had this chronically online 482 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,400 moment. And it's just interesting to 483 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,480 like, all of my group chats have kind of like revived because of 484 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,120 this, this show. And I think it's just like a 485 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,000 nice way to just connect everyone. 486 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,280 The fandom is so rabid. Exactly, I love it myself. 487 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,480 Included Why am I making a look alike competition? 488 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,280 No, it's actually like the lore is crazy. 489 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,160 Like this is such a side quest. I. 490 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,600 Know I'm like I'm like that's crazy like the fans are crazy 491 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,760 and I'm like I'm making a look alike on that's. 492 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,200 True. You're like, yeah, me. 493 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,200 Oh my God. No, You know what? 494 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,760 You should actually do all of the like official look like 495 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,400 competitions like chronically online ones for city for 496 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,920 Australia. Finger. 497 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,560 I'll start a business, yeah. And. 498 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,480 You can have sponsors for every single one true. 499 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,640 You gotta do think about. It's like I are all community 500 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,760 events. That's actually so true. 501 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,360 You could have like food trucks. We could monetize this. 502 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,240 For all look alike the festival, yes. 503 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,200 My God yes, if anybody wants to sponsor her. 504 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,280 Wait a second, it's. Actually really fun. 505 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,400 I love that bringing a. Move over laneway. 506 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,200 No, it's like it's literally like Comic Con but for like TV. 507 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,960 So true. You know, the irony is like I 508 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,040 reckon the people who win the look like contest could go on to 509 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,480 be dupe like the dupes, like the Australian dupes, which is so 510 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,240 funny. Yeah, Anyway, my. 511 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,840 God, you gotta get the news there. 512 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,320 Yeah, yeah, ABC's coming. It was good. 513 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way. 514 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:18,600 OK. Wow. 515 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,840 This would be huge. I wanna hear about your take on 516 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,040 the analog trend. Yes, OK I but I also think like 517 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,800 if I was someone who wasn't in social media at all and I was 518 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,360 like a nurse or like someone I don't know left a field whatever 519 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,640 not in this industry even remotely. 520 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,640 I would probably try to be off my phone less cuz I just, I 521 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,720 wouldn't know, think like why am I? 522 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,680 It's already you don't need to be in the space of like damaging 523 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,080 my mental health and like I was feeling tied to it. 524 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,080 I, I think it's great to disconnect and I, I really want 525 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,840 to get a break. But I did go a week without a 526 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,600 smartphone for ABC for yeah, I got like a dumb phone and 527 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,240 printed out like a bus route and things like that for a week. 528 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,680 As like a tet like as a. Story as like as content lol. 529 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,000 Oh my God. I love the irony. 530 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,080 I did it for a week though and it was great. 531 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,320 I actually like definitely found my brain was more just like 532 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,320 switched on and just less floaty. 533 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,960 That would definitely benefits and now I have like a higher 534 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,200 screen time than ever, so it's fine. 535 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,560 How do you find that you combat the brain mush that comes with 536 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,880 having such a high screen time? Yeah, I do like this year 537 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,360 particular, I've just definitely wanted to prioritize reading and 538 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,440 like watch movies without getting my phone out, like do 539 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,920 things that brings me joy. And I know that like we'll bring 540 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600 me joy and help my mental health and like make me a more 541 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,280 intellectual, articulate person. And I do realize that I think as 542 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,920 well, like I'm not working full time at the moment. 543 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,440 So I do have the luxury of just like, OK, I can be chronically 544 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,800 online for like maybe 9:00 to 5:00 and like doom scroll and 545 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040 like post a video about being chronically online and then I 546 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,160 can switch off in the evenings. I do feel like I have more space 547 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,400 and leeway to do that because this is sort of like a side 548 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,400 hustle job thing that I'm trying to build up at the moment. 549 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,440 I mean, I think the analog trend is interesting, but someone made 550 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,680 a good point of like, what are we doing? 551 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,040 I mean, I think it was the 2 broke chicks. 552 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,200 I said like, what are we doing once this trend dies? 553 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,560 And like, are we all just going to like throw out our books and 554 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,440 physical media and like, it's again, we're going to like go 555 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,880 back in the jam, clean up and donate all this stuff because 556 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,880 we're not actually doing it. So I think like if you're going 557 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,080 to set the boundary, you do have to try and stick to it, I guess. 558 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,800 But it's hard. It's really hard to be analog, 559 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,840 especially in this society. But I if you can do it, go for 560 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,720 it. Yeah, I feel like not everyone 561 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,800 can do it, which is the problem. Like there's so many barriers 562 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,000 exactly to being and there's so much privilege to being able to 563 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,320 just log. Off 100 percent, 100%, yeah. 564 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,400 But I think if I wasn't in this industry, I would definitely try 565 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,880 and more graphs. I'm literally so jealous of my 566 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,000 friends that are offline. They work in like finance or. 567 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,600 Something yeah yes the dream yeah yeah yeah when you like 568 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,840 talk to someone about the I don't know whatever the Jake 569 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800 Paul AI stuff or whatever and they're like huh who's that like 570 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,400 what what's going on or they're. Sending you reels that you saw 571 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480 on TikTok like 100 years ago and you're like, I'm so jealous of 572 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,120 this. Like I wish that this is my 573 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,840 timeline right now. Yeah. 574 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,160 Do you find that it keeps you like I don't know. 575 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,160 I do feel like I'm 33, so I'm definitely in the millennial 576 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,080 range and I do feel like younger for sure quote to my peers. 577 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,800 I'm. 34 and I feel like 24 compared to like half. 578 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,920 My friends, yeah. Because. 579 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,800 It does keep you younger for. Sure, absolutely. 580 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Which is a weird thing. OK, so finally can you tell me 581 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,560 how you touch grass? Yes, I definitely have my 582 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,600 designated times that I don't go on my phone and I've tried this 583 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,240 thing called turning it off and that does wonders. 584 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,200 Have you? No, I'm serious now. 585 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,240 Literally it's. Actually wild, like turning it 586 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,600 off is the simplest thing you can do. 587 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,160 And then I don't look at it, it's wild. 588 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,000 And then I'll go to like pick it up and be like, Oh yeah, I 589 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,440 turned it off. Having said that, that's a new 590 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,280 rule. And I actually downloaded an app 591 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760 that tells you how many pickups you do, like how many times it 592 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,720 pick, you pick up. I've got to like 150 easily 593 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,440 within the day. It was really fucked. 594 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,680 Oh my God, I swear. But yes, of course. 595 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,120 And I'm just, yeah, again, like I'm really trying to prioritize 596 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,840 like watching movies, reading books, like trying to get back 597 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,720 into things that's not that aren't so like brain rot. 598 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,640 Yes, it's so hard though, like that dopamine hit, but I can 599 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,880 feel it. I can feel myself like being 600 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,480 addicted in the moment. Absolutely. 601 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,600 I'm like, this is 100%, yeah. Especially when I'm like, I'm 602 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,560 like one eye open, like like at 9, I'm like so bad. 603 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,120 And then like just so many videos now because they're all 604 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,520 trying to like optimize for the algorithm. 605 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,320 They're just so intense. Sometimes it's like, and I'm 606 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,040 like, this is crazy. Like we all just need to relax. 607 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040 Can I just watch a nice little reel anyway? 608 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,400 Like those guys that use the riser, you know the riser that. 609 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,480 Sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my. 610 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,960 God annoys me so much. Anyway, yeah, I think I'm just 611 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600 like this year. I'm really trying to prioritize 612 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,520 not picking up my phone. Turning your phone off is a life 613 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,480 hack. I've literally never thought to 614 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,920 do that. I'm serious. 615 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,920 I've never thought to do that, but I should do that. 616 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,920 Because also, my techs and most of my stuff are connected to my 617 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,120 desktop anyway. So like, even if I turn it off, 618 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,920 I'm not gonna miss any of that crazy emergency. 619 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,920 Yeah, and I'm checking that probably, like, more often than 620 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,400 I check my phone anyway. But it's actually really nice to 621 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,960 just turn it off. Yeah, I know the life hack is 622 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,880 turning your phone off and also like physically going out and 623 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,800 touching grass. Definitely also want to try and 624 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,320 do more like weekends away and like getting out of the city 625 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,760 and. La La la and like honestly being 626 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,160 amongst your neighborhood and like speaking to people on the 627 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,680 street and like going to the cafe and like talking to your 628 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,760 barista like that stuff like hard for me because I feel shy, 629 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,680 but. No, get rid of. 630 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,320 That but it's so it it makes a huge difference yeah just being 631 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,480 like none of these people here know about any of this random 632 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640 shit that I'm scrolling totally and it makes a huge difference 633 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,120 to think like that 100. Percent one thing I really want 634 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,840 to do this year because I do like the pool heist as well. 635 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,440 I like sneak into. Dust Pool. 636 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,360 Crazy. I love it. 637 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,480 I really want to challenge myself this year to like go door 638 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,680 knocking and like just go to someone's house and like, hey, 639 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,000 can I swim in your pool? No way for the content. 640 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040 It's I'm getting looks of. Yeah, you were disgusted. 641 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,960 I think they would go viral. That's what I'm saying, up the 642 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,920 stakes. I'm done with the pool, hotel, 643 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,120 pools. I think I've done everyone in 644 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,760 Sydney, which is kind of crazy. Anyway. 645 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760 My God. Anyway, that's another podcast 646 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,880 episode. That's another side quest, girl. 647 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,200 You're filled with side. Quests. 648 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480 Lena's doing things. She's doing things. 649 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,320 You know what you are. Thank you so much. 650 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,400 This has been so much fun. Thanks for having me. 651 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,480 Centennial World Podcast Network operates on Gadigal land. 652 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,760 We would like to acknowledge the Gadigal of the Eora Nation, the 653 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960 traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to 654 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,760 elders both past and present.