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Hi everyone, welcome to a 
special edition of Mini Scroll, 

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where I am sitting here with 
millennial heartthrob icon Cody 

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Simpson. 
Wow. 

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How's the intro? 
Thank you. 

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Welcome to mini scroll. 
Thank. 

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You so much. 
OK, so we are an Internet 

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culture podcast, so we like to 
ask our guests right off the 

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bat, are you chronically online?
Yeah, I'd, yes, I'd say so. 

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Probably too much so sometimes 
after really, like be conscious 

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about getting off it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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You know, yeah. 
So you're a chronic scroller? 

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I'm chronic scroller. 
Yeah. 

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Chronic comment reader, chronic 
comment responder. 

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Oh my God, The whole deal. 
Probably more so in the last 

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year. 
I've like, really like embraced.

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I don't know, I, I only got on 
Tiktok about a year ago. 

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OK, well, I've been on it 
longer, but I've only said 

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started actively using it a year
ago, even six months ago. 

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And it's sort of, you know, it's
a deep, dark hole that you get 

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sucked into. 
And yeah, I've been a victim 

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lately. 
Well, I have seen that you do a 

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lot of fit checks on. 
Tim, I've done a few fit checks.

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What is popping up on your 
algorithm? 

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What algorithm are you on right 
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God, a lot of comedy right now. 
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Sometimes dark comedy. 
My friends send me all kinds of 

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weird stuff and it just sort of 
like, just sends my algorithm 

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down the drain. 
Oh my God, inmates can do that 

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to you. 
But yeah, yeah. 

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Fair, I know. 
I feel like I'm always on either

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whatever is trending like the 
trending drama or dogs a lot. 

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Of dogs, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah 
However, my Instagram, my 

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Instagram algorithm is better 
than my Tik TikTok algorithm. 

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My Instagram algorithm is a 
little bit more like things I'm 

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into, you know, inspirational 
stuff or music or cars or, you 

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know, like what other things 
TikTok, TikTok seems to be. 

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A bit more. 
Of a dark hole, yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, fair. 
OK, so you have lived many 

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lives. 
Musician, swimmer, stage actor, 

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fashion tick tocker. 
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I want to take it back a bit. 
What did you see yourself doing 

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as a kid? 
It's fun music, yeah, always. 

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Since I was like, since I picked
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I was like, it was always music 
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I saw my dad play and sing and 
some family friends playing, 

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singing it barbecues and family 
get togethers and stuff. 

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And I was just like that that 
just saw the way music moved 

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people and brought people 
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And ever since I was, I remember
telling my grandmother or mother

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at like when I was like age of 
10 or 11, I was like, I'm going 

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to be a famous musician and. 
And it happened really soon 

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after that. 
And it was, yeah, it, it, it, it

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manifested probably three years 
later, you know, which is so 

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much sooner than I thought 
because at the time I was, I 

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was, I just assumed it would 
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And, and my plan was that I, 
because I was, I was swimming 

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full time at that age. 
I got started really training 

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really seriously. 
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like the, the Rio Olympics, 2016
and all this stuff was like 

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really on that trajectory. 
And that was my life path. 

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And I was like, I'll play music 
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And then YouTube came along and 
I changed the whole game and 

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like, I started posting on there
and it happened within six 

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months. 
It was like, very. 

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That's amazing. 
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Did you have strategy behind 
posting on YouTube? 

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Like did you have any idea what?
You. 

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No, no, absolutely. 
You know, And it was just like, 

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give my mom the camera like in 
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It was just one of those things 
that I got on early and I was 

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just in the first wave of kids 
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Like it was just one of those 
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It was right place, right time. 
Saw the opportunity early. 

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I didn't even see it as an 
opportunity. 

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It wasn't like I was doing it to
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whatever. 
It was just like a way of 

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expressing myself and sharing 
what I like to do with other 

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people because I thought it was 
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And the Internet was still like 
a very, and social media was 

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still like a very, very 
infantile thing at, at, at that 

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stage. 
So I was just experimenting. 

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And then people realized how 
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it and discover. 
It's wild. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
That's honestly amazing. 

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When you have done these career 
pivots, what's your decision 

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making process behind that? 
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done, you've had these thoughts 
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thinking, oh, can I do music? 
Maybe later I'm going to do 

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swimming. 
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I just, I just have always 
followed my heart and my gut. 

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I don't know, like it's just 
been, I've, I've never had an 

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exact Grand Master plan. 
It's always just been year by 

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year trying to figure out what 
feels right to me and knowing 

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the things that I want to 
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But you, you kind of have to be,
I love the saying that like you 

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can, you have to be like firm on
vision, but like flexible on, on

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plan on on the way. 
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going to be the way you think. 
And for me, it happened the 

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opposite of the way I thought 
because I thought I was going to

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swim and then I was going to 
retire and I was going to play 

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music. 
And it was like, there's no way 

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I would have known it would 
happen that I would have this 

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like 10 year career through my 
teens and early 20s as a 

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musician and then stop that and 
go back to swimming way later 

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than, you know, then I then 
would be considered possible 

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considering the amount of time I
didn't train and, and be able to

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go and do that. 
So yeah, it's just been, it's 

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just been a matter of following 
my gut, like. 

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Yeah. 
Have you felt more pressure 

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making these big pivots or 
decisions knowing that you're in

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the public eye? 
Oh yeah, for sure. 

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It adds a layer of like, you 
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criticism and and just just like
eyeballs on you is like is an 

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extra added element that you 
have to deal with. 

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I guess I've just been become so
used to it because I started in 

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the public eye at like 13, you 
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Yeah. 
Nothing I've ever done has been 

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private. 
Yeah, really, you know, from in 

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my public and personal life, 
it's, it's very hard to to hide,

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I suppose in that sense, you 
know, and, and it's just 

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something I had to get used to, 
but it, it's never stopped me 

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making the decisions that were 
right for me. 

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You know what I mean? 
Growing up in pop music, leaving

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my label going and doing a more 
singer-songwriter kind of thing,

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like going independent, doing 
all that was like a risk, but 

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and probably not considered the 
best commercial decision, but 

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like I had just did it because 
it was right for me. 

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The swimming thing, you know, 
having to kind of leave and fire

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my team because I had to go and 
do something else for like 4 

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years and, and, and train and, 
and like move back to Australia 

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was like probably it was for me,
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So it was like, I've never let 
that stop me making the 

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decisions that I want to make 
for me. 

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So, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, No, that makes sense. 

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What's your relationship to the 
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A lot healthier than it was at 
one point actually. 

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And my relationship with my, my 
past like self and my, my old 

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like errors and, and everything 
is a lot healthier than it used 

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to be as well. 
I think it's one of those things

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where you know, when you're 
like, you're growing up through 

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your teens, like late teens, 
early 20s, and you kind of look 

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back at like your old Facebook 
pictures or like Myspace 

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pictures or whatever. 
And you're like, oh, the 

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hairstyles, the outfit, you 
know, and you just cringe and 

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you just, you know, you want to 
delete it all. 

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Like I couldn't, it was on 
Google, you know what I mean? 

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I tried to run from it and, and 
change everything and rebelled 

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and all this stuff. 
And then like now, and, and 

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because I just felt so trapped 
in, in the public eye and in the

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in the media and in all that 
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And like now I feel much more 
like I embrace it all and, and 

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don't try and reject it. 
I'm like, that's really cool 

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that I did that at 14 or that's 
really awesome that, and I've, 

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I've been so grateful or to have
the opportunity to be heard 

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because the, the alternative is 
like no one caring or not being 

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heard. 
So I'm like, I reframed it all 

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and I'm like so much happier 
because, like I am just didn't 

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have embraced the whole journey.
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Yeah, yeah, I I feel like it's 
an interesting conversation to 

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have with you because you 
experienced tea tween teen fame 

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almost pre social media. 
And now social. 

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Media has democratized fame for 
young people in such a different

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way. 
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. 

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It was like almost like back 
when I started, it was like J14 

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and like pop star liked all 
those magazines and they'd only 

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usually be like, you know, five 
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And I just remember they'd put 
them on a circle and it was 

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like, the goal was to like be 
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cover, you know what I mean? 
It wasn't very democratized, as 

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you say. 
It was like very gate kept by 

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like the record labels and 
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And so I was just very lucky to 
like have, I guess gotten in at 

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that stage, but there were much 
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And so now it's like everyone's 
got a platform and everyone's 

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got a way of being heard. 
And that's like a blessing for 

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so many people to give people 
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But like, at the same time, it's
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having to kind of deal with it 
and, and aren't necessarily cut 

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out or like like taught how to, 
you know, I was lucky to have 

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like the family and, and to, to 
get prepared in a way, in a 

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weird way. 
And like now it's like, you can 

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go viral tomorrow. 
I know it's actually so. 

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Scary. 
I feel so bad. 

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I'm so glad that I did not grow 
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It's. 
Crazy with like tik? 

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T.O.K, I'm so glad you'll be. 
A 14 year, you go viral tomorrow

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and the whole world knows who 
you are and like, what do you 

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like? 
I know you and then you just 

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ostracize in school and like you
like that's not right for a kids

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brain, you know, 100% that's 
crazy. 100%, yeah. 

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So did you have in any of your 
endeavours, I guess like a made 

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it moment? 
What would you say Was your made

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it moment or have you had? 
One that's crazy. 

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I've been so lucky to have had 
so many of those. 

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Yes, which is awesome. 
Definitely starting to play 

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shows that were quite large. 
Like I jumped on the Justin 

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Bieber 2 and I was like 15 and I
toured well with him and we 

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played stadiums in South America
and 60,000 people and all that 

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stuff. 
And I'm just like, I'm not even,

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I mean I'm homeschooling, you 
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tool bus. 
Like before I go out on stage in

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front of 60,000 people, I'm 
doing, I'm literally doing math 

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class with my teacher going, why
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I get like all these people out 
there screaming for, you know 

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what I mean? 
It's so trippy and like that 

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those are these made of moments 
of like just the the strange 

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contrast of like walking out 
from doing your homework to 

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putting on like your stage 
outfit and going out in front of

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like all these, you know, 
thousands of screaming, 

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screaming girls. 
It's like the craziest thing. 

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And and so there was definitely 
all these made-up moments of 

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standing up on stage in front of
that many people that were 

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singing along to your lyrics. 
And Oh my God, like, yeah, that 

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must be. 
Three years. 

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Ago I was in Australian middle 
school, you know, making the 

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Australian swimming team was 1 
was a big one for me because 

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that's something that I grew up 
wanting to do and it was a dream

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I gave away. 
When I went to play music, I was

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like that's I'm going to have to
kind of like park that one that 

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was not happening. 
So to have been able to come 

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back and actually do that and I 
have that to my name now. 

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And like you have these, you get
these things when you make the 

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Australian swimming team called 
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And it's like your number of the
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the team, you kind of are 
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And it's there's I've been been 
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the history of the team. 
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right here with the Australian 
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my number. 
And my mom actually is like #400

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and something, something so like
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So it's like really special. 
We have have that together. 

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And just to have been able to 
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athlete and it, you know, is, 
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such a, a crazy thing that was 
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me. 
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Commonwealth Games and doing all
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thought I would do, especially 
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a musician that I've had. 
So yeah as well so. 

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You are back in entertainment 
full time, Yeah. 

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Yeah, what can? 
We expect from your music. 

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God, I'm really excited. 
I've been in the studio all 

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year. 
I've been back in LA most of 

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this year, recording very close 
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of music done. 
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probably early next year, 
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game, which is exciting. 
And it's it's nice. 

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It's like a blend. 
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everything I've ever been as an 
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everything. 
It's kind of like doing justice 

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to and, and service to like all 
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wrapping it up into something 
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So I'm excited for people to 
hear what that is and, and to be

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able to be able to go out and 
start playing live again. 

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Like, I'm so excited to do that.
So yeah, it's cool. 

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Yeah, why do you say thank God 
when I said you're back in 

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entertainment full time? 
Because I love it so much, you 

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know? 
Yeah. 

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I, I missed it a lot when I was 
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And towards the end there, I was
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back in. 
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the studio, I just felt like a 
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Like going back to LA, it was 
like I felt the way I did when I

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was 14 going there. 
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And it was just really cool. 
It was like the full circle 

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thing. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Well. 

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You've accomplished so much 
since you left, right? 

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Yeah. 
I suppose so. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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OK. 
So circling back to your TikTok 

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fit checks. 
Yes. 

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Yes, fashion has been woven 
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career the entire time, and now 
you're partnering with Uber and 

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Red Cross to help Aussies donate
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Tell me a little bit about that.
Yeah, it's. 

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It's an amazing, I'm, I'm 
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you couldn't already tell, it's 
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I, I was approached by Uber and 
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kind of help be a megaphone for 
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And I find like with a, with a 
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it's, it's so important to use 
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it was like kind of a no brainer
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And I'm I'm a culprit of, of, of
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then getting a lot of clothes, 
being given a lot of three 

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wardrobes like it's, it's quite 
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you know, move house and you're 
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having the, the boxes or the 
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in the garage that you, you 
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donate for months, but you just 
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whatever. 
So basically Uber, you can order

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an Uber Courier and that will 
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it up for free. 
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free this Saturday and they'll 
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Is that? 
Anywhere across Australia. 

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Yeah, it's all major cities, I 
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Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth from 
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believe it's it's free from 
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If you order it, you know, I'll 
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your hands and give it new life,
which is cool. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
The last thing that I would love

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to know is like, what's next? 
I know you said music. 

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Do you have anything else on the
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tell us? 
Oh yes, I'm in a I'm in a series

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TV series coming out streaming 
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I believe it. 
I believe it. 

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I don't know exactly when it 
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It's coming out really soon. 
I have yet to post that or 

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anything so Oh my God. 
I love that. 

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The exclusive Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, it's called He Had 

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It Coming, which is a a sort of 
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a college. 
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Australian screen debut for me, 
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And then also did a funny film 
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in which I play a young Vanilla 
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No way. 
Baby vanilla ice and he's also 

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in the film and I think it's 
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like it's the weirdest and most 
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this in this movie and that 
that's that's premiering next 

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month. 
So I'm in that as well. 

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And then aside from that it's 
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So top of next year, we'll be 
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out a ton of music. 
So I'm excited to you're doing 

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the. 
Most like. 

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Absolutely. 
Always. 

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Wow. 
Well. 

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Thank you so much for joining 
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Thank you.