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Who is fitter, runners or 
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So I think I would say 
triathletes because a lot of 

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runners or not a lot of runners,
runners, some runners can't 

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swim. 
OK, they might say they can 

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swim, but they can't swim. 
So there's, there's a, there's a

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massive difference between 
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fitness, biking fitness. 
So I think in answer to your 

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question, let's just to go 
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are fitter because they got to 
do 3 disciplines. 

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Yeah. 
Now, I'm not saying that runners

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couldn't be as fit or aren't as 
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remember some triathletes are 
run just runners as well. 

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So it's a funny one, but I'm 
going to answer triathletes. 

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Yeah, no, I think you're quite 
right. 

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So I did a run on the weekend 
and I went out with a friend who

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was a cyclist and he ended DNF 
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different type of fitness. 
I think all his his legs locked 

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up, he couldn't, he couldn't use
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muscles. 
Even though he's he's definitely

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100% fit to them. 
Yeah. 

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But like it's just a completely 
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different. 
It is, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
And it's like, again, you don't 

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know what's going to happen in 
a, in a triathlon anyway, you 

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know, whether that's a 
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mechanical with your actual body
like you just described. 

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So. 
But then again, if you like look

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at it from a high rocks point of
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I know we're not talking about 
high rocks, but there's so many 

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runners who'll just get into 
high rocks and you know, they 

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might not have done any of the 
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rocks, but there's so much 
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because they're running, they're
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and they can nail, nail the 
loops of the, the, the high 

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rocks course like. 
Yeah, no, you're right. 

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I suppose it's like when when 
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boxing, boxers can't go into 
MMA. 

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No, no, no. 
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then I suppose like so I like 
that. 

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So like I suppose what is 
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And then you've got the people 
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in different disciplines and 
they are different fitnesses. 

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Well, how do you see the the 
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fitness? 
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disciplines are so different, 
but each one complements each 

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other. 
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base will complement the bike 
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ability. 
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bike, understanding the gear 
changing and understand the 

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zones and understand how to ride
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flats. 
The swimming fitness will always

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bring you through. 
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camera earlier about my running,
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the roof because I've learnt how
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Just because I was a swimmer, 
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I couldn't run around the block 
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believe it or not. 
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You're a national swimmer. 
I was a national swimmer and I'm

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thinking like what? 
I'm fit like, you know, I, I 

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know I put on weight over the 
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can't I run like I can swim And 
then I see the same like, and I 

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drop a couple of names now. 
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at Cardiff a few times. 
He was actually not a bad little

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swimmer. 
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swim at all, right? 
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lessons and he's like bearing in
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Olympic medals or whatever, or 
national medals. 

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And he gets in the pool, he 
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And he's like, why can't I swim,
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up with all these random things.
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were the same, like Paul Gray's 
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And he's like, I'm fit, you 
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And it's that ability to be able
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water, first of all, but also, 
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fitness with technique. 
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So of course, going back to my 
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technique, but it was also 
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keep running slowly and build an
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walking if I need to, you know, 
and it is totally different, you

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different. 
So what, what could what could 

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runners learn from endurance 
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the triathlon? 
What could they learn from sort 

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of dipping their toes in other 
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I think with regards to 
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such a non weight bearing 
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You know, it's great. 
You see a lot of runners do Aqua

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jogging. 
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get in if they're injured, 
they're in the water, they're in

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deep water. 
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belt and they'll jog and they 
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training for marathons, jogging 
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you fit. 
It's mad. 

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I'll have to dig it out and send
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Yeah. 
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getting better at swimming. 
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know, and your or your sport is 
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that fitness and that, you know,
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water or transfer to your 
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And I see it all the time, 
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good runners, who come and have 
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triathlon. 
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months later saying my running's
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You know, I'm, I'm better now 
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exhale and inhale and in water 
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You know, it's almost like 
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they never, they've never put 
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You know, then they're just so 
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or running on the track and 
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thinking about it. 
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know, they get out of breath and
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inhale in water will make you 
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aerobic. 
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like so. 
That's nuts. 

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I never thought about like that.
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assume that it's all about 
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the your cardiovascular fitness 
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maybe even mechanically as well 
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muscles. 
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because you're sort of working 
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Yeah, I mean, and swimming's 
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sport, rowing's very similar, 
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where you're using all your 
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oxygen. 
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doing, doing the exercise. 
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fit runner and you become good 
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to see results with the with the
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So yeah. 
What does swimming give a runner

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that running doesn't? 
That's an interesting question. 

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What does swimming give a runner
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That's a thinker. 
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know, because you're all half 
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So, yeah, all the flesh on 
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But no, I, I think, you know, 
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regards to, you know, it makes 
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gives you, you know, definition 
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You know, they're very similar, 
I think very similar. 

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Yeah. 
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But do you know, just go back to
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breathing, I think, I think that
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running you can push hard and 
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control. 
That's what that's what I see 

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also, I think. 
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probably would be that, you 
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than be in the ocean, especially
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somewhere and you're on your own
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and you're still, even though 
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that lovely feeling of like 
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you in the water. 
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that I suppose people ask me 
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swimming, like, what did you 
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water? 
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bit like, because I'm ADHD as 
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about ending. 
I just switch off. 

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It's my ability to have a bit of
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my brain just, and all of a 
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half an hour will go by and all 
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session done. 
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and down the pool or swimming in
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off, you know. 
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answer for that is that the 
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though you're getting the same 
fitness and physique and and you

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know, the both benefits for 
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switch off as well from being in
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Yeah, it's primal, man. 
And it's primal. 

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Now let's get back to the 
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You touched on your world record
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start. 
Like explain to me, how the hell

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did you end up swimming for 24 
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So Covad hit and I, I was 
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My wife's a health visitor, so 
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I only had my son at the time. 
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and went, oh, you've got to home
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And I was like, Oh my God, I 
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I'm like, not home schooling 
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thinking on my word, what am I 
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So my home schooling consisted 
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swimming tank with me in the 
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And I was just swimming, just 
keeping fit, you know, no 

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business to, to run. 
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He was only young at the time. 
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I'm swimming in the current, 
like just messing around. 

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But we did that 2-3 hours a day.
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over lunch. 
We go back in the pool. 

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Yeah, right. 
And then I came up with the 

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idea. 
I thought, you know, all these 

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people are doing these 
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all this sort of stuff. 
I'm going to and I turned the 

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temperature off because I didn't
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electric. 
I turned the temperature down. 

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So I've gone from 28° where we 
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for, for my clients, turning it 
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19°, which isn't super cold, but
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you're not in a wet suit. 
So Charles came home one day 

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from work and I said, I'm going 
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This is before the 24 hour idea.
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like, what are you on about? 
Now here we here we go sort of 

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thing and and I said what I'm 
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these 12 hour challenges and 
they're trying to raise money 

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for NHS charity. 
So I'm going to swim. 

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If you can take the day off 
work, you can be my nutrition 

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support. 
You and Bobby can help. 

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I'll set it all out, right. 
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hats for every, every, every 
time I hit a mile, right. 

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I want you to, you know, give 
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So I'll have my numbered miles. 
I'll go live on Twitter, people 

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can donate, I'll have all the 
nutrition. 

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So it was a proper plan to it. 
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So I swam, I went live on 
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So that was the idea. 
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of the English Channel and I set
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I worked out the pace to one 
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basically 9 Iron Man swims 
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And I said that I was, I know it
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it, but this, it got worse 
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going to have to go to toilet. 
You know, I don't want to just 

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go in the pool because it's not 
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So I said to myself, right, I'll
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Iron Man swim. 
I've give myself a couple of 

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minutes so I can get out if I 
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board and then go again. 
So there were, there were my 

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sort of rules to it. 
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half hour blocks all the way 
through. 

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So I do 25 minutes swim, 5 
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to. 
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clocked up 21 miles and it was, 
you know, buzzing. 

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I'd raised like 5 and a half, 
£1000 for NHS. 

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It was great. 
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during the fire break I opened 
back up for business and clients

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were coming and going. 
You're mad. 

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You are like swimming for that 
long. 

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Fair play on your shoulders here
this, here that. 

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And it was always this running 
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long, you know, you go to school
when you were younger and they'd

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be like, oh, how long could you 
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you swim? 
Could you swim? 

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And swimmers always should say, 
well, you keep feeding me, I'll 

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swim all day. 
And I always used to say that. 

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And I I'd never actually 
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So it was a good time to 
challenge that as well in my 

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head. 
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Like, you know, my heart rate 
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time. 
So I'm like taking on board mad.

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know, your heart rate's 
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lower. 
If you're slowly plodding along.

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So you don't actually need loads
of fuel. 

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It's like that fine line with 
not going too high with the 

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blood sugars, etcetera. 
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were like, you're mad, you are 
you mad? 

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You know, I was doing 12 hours. 
That must have been a world 

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record. 
And I was like, yeah, I didn't 

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think of that. 
So anyway, look, course, you 

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look on the Guinness World 
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girl called Myra Santos, right, 
who'd done 24 hours non wet 

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suit. 
And of course she'd already done

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this. 
And I was like, fair play to 

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her, like, you know, but no one 
had done a wet suit. 

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So no one had put out there that
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hour, whatever. 
So I applied to Guinness and 

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they were like, no, it's not. 
You can't do marathon swimming. 

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It won't get basically it won't 
get ticked off. 

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I can't remember the word they 
use now ratified. 

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So you won't get ratification 
because you have to have the 

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Channel Swimming Association to 
approve it and Channel Swimming 

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Association won't approve wet 
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It has to be skins. 
I'm like, I'm doing it in a 

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pool. 
Like what? 

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Like I don't understand the 
problem. 

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It's for charity for God's sake.
Anyway, they weren't interested.

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They said anyway, you didn't 
have the judges, you didn't have

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this, you didn't have that. 
So I was like, right, fine, OK, 

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So I put it to bed. 
I was like, whatever, I've still

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got a world Rackle because no 
one else has done it. 

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Like, you know, and then I was 
just like thinking about it and 

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thinking about it. 
And then when we, we, we shut 

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down again in the lockdown 2. 
And I thought to myself, when we

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open again, I'm going to do 24 
hours. 

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I thought, go for it. 
Let's put the wet suit on. 

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Let's just do it. 
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officialworldrecord.com. 
So it's not Guinness. 

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It was official worldrecord.com,
which again is like, you know, 

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they're two separate 
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thing. 
They both got a book and they 

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both, you know, and I thought if
they're not going to approve it 

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through Channel Swimming 
Association, then I'll see what 

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these guys got to say. 
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asked Wauser, which is World 
Open Water Swimming Association,

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if they would get involved. 
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same thing. 
So the guy, Steve Muchanos, I 

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think his surname is, he 
actually invited me on his 

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podcast all the way in 
California to talk about why, 

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what I was doing, why I was 
doing it, which was fab. 

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So that was an online thing. 
And he was just like, listen, 

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Dave, if I say yes to you, all 
the people who've ever done 

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endurance stuff in wetsuits are 
going to go, well, why didn't 

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you approve mine? 
I swam across so and so so and 

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so, so I understood. 
So I was like, that's fine. 

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But official world record 
approved, 24 hours would be, 

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would be a good shout and we'll 
support it. 

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So you have to have two judges. 
You have to have a proper timing

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system. 
You have to have a rest time. 

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You have to proper, you know, So
I was like, great. 

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So I went back to the old 
stomping ground, Cardiff Met, 

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told them all about it, Sport 
broadcasting team up there. 

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So the guys up there were great.
They had a student who wanted to

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cover it as part of their 
dissertation. 

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It was great. 
So it was like sort of helping a

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couple of people out. 
Seco got in touch. 

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They were like, yeah, we'll give
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So we had yeah. 
So we had official clock for the

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total time and one for rest 
time. 

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The judges were all lined up, 
everything else. 

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So as soon as we open back up, 
we'll we're going for it. 

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And but I didn't do it in my 
garage. 

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I did it at all swim, which is 
the South Wales Endless pool 

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supply. 
Well, they do Jacuzzis and all 

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stuff like that. 
So Jane, who owns that business 

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very kindly said I could use her
pool, which I was really pleased

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about because I was swimming for
24 hours using the electric. 

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Actually, I didn't need to use 
my electric belt when she 

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watches this. 
Like she was like, oh, right, 

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OK, that's why you wanted to use
me. 

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Now she was good as gold. 
And of course, I needed to make 

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sure that everything was in 
place. 

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So I had to have paramedics on 
site. 

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I had to have a support team, 
one or two family members in the

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support team who would need to 
make decisions if things went 

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wrong. 
There was loads of things I had 

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to follow who very kindly 
supported me with the wet suit. 

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So I was the first ever custom 
made wet suit that they ever 

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made. 
Yeah. 

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So Dean was like, who's Dean 
Jackson, the owner? 

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You still fit in it? 
Yeah, I can stop it. 

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Do you know what? 
I'm too small for it now. 

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I was actually a bit overweight 
then. 

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Like, yeah, I'd fluctuate like 
hell, but I'm not a really good 

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weight now. 
But back then I was in an exile 

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suit. 
So I'm in a large suit now. 

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But fair play to Dean. 
He was like, you're going to be 

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able to do this, Dave. 
And I was like, yeah, if I'm 

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saying I'm doing it, I'm doing 
it, you know, I knew I could do 

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it, and I knew I'd done the 12. 
But going through the night was 

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going to be the interesting 
thing, you know, because of 

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course I did it through the day.
And yeah, so he supported the 

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suit. 
I think it cost him about £700 

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to make this suit. 
It was fab, right? 

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All new panelling and they 
actually all off the back of it,

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didn't call it the world record 
suit, but they used, they called

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it the Varman Glacier suit. 
After I did the records. 

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It was very similar to what I 
wore, which was wicked. 

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And yeah, when it came to it 
then. 

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So on June the 11th, 2023, I 
think it was, or was it 

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20/22/2022, 02021? 
My God, it's gone so long. 

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That's so long ago. 
My word. 

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My God, I did it. 
Yeah. 

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Started at 9:00 in the morning 
and it was a long, long day at 

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the office. 
Oh my God, 12 hours, 30, I got 

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to think 13 hours. 
And talking about nutrition 

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earlier I'd Cardiff Sport 
Nutrition were great. 

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So I approached them and told 
them what I was doing and they 

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were like, yeah, we'll support 
you. 

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We've got to come up with a 
drink that you're going to use, 

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you know, no feeding, it's drink
all the way. 

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And I was like, really? 
So I was like, OK, fine. 

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So I put my trust in them. 
So I'd been training with this 

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like pink solution they made me,
which was 500 mils of this drink

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every half an hour. 
So I had little bottles with 

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enough powder, just fill it with
water, shake it. 

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And that was all I was having. 
And I just couldn't get my head 

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round that I was just going to 
be drinking for that. 

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It was just like, and of course 
I'd trained with it, but every 

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time I was doing 234 hour swims 
and a couple of night swims, I 

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was never going the full 
distance obviously or nowhere 

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near just clocking up the 
mileage. 

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And I just had this thing in my 
mind couple of days before. 

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I was like said to my brother, 
my brother Dan and my 

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brother-in-law Matt, who were 
like my main support guys. 

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I was like, are you going to 
have to have something to nibble

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on? 
Like, you know, some crisps or 

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some penny sweets or something 
like, you know. 

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So anyway, of course they all 
rocked up with flapjacks and 

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they what for them as well. 
So there was like little treats 

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on the side as well as my 
nutrition. 

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Worst mistake ever made as a 
coach. 

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Yeah, I've learnt so much. 
I, I literally nearly messed the

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whole thing up because I what I 
was doing, I was taking just 

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enough like sort of slow release
carb in the drink to sort of 

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maintain with that low heart 
rate, right. 

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But of course, all of a sudden I
was adding sugar and at 13 

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hours, the paramedics, Gavin, 
the one guy, he was a client of 

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mine. 
So he volunteered to help out 

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him and his son, fair play to 
him. 

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So they alternated the whole 
night and he came and he did my 

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blood and he was like, your 
bloods are through the roof day.

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He said, if it's like that, next
time I check, you're going to 

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have to stop. 
I'm going to have to tell your 

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brother to call it like, you 
know, I was like, you're not 

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stopping this. 
And he was like you like you. 

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I think my blood Sugar's like 14
or 15. 

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It was like way too high. 
And I was like looking at the, 

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there was a Velindra poster 
because I was raising money for 

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Velindra and there was a poster 
on the wall and the Velindre V 

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was coming out at me. 
I was like hallucinating, but I 

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didn't tell him. 
I was just like, like, whoa. 

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And it was just because my blood
sugars were, and I was like a 

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little bit dizzy as well. 
And I was thinking this is not 

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good, right? 
You know, So I said, right, turn

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it up. 
I was holding about two minutes,

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20 per hundred. 
I said whack it up to 130 per 

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100, which is a decent pace. 
I'll just swim for half an hour 

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on that. 
Burn it off. 

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Burn it off. 
So that's what I did. 

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So I absolutely went for it for 
half hour. 

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My my heart rate went up. 
I was hot and of course you're 

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in a wet suit. 
So it's like going for it. 

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I was like, I got to do this 
just to sort of settle back in 

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because it battered my shoulders
half hour on a certain pace. 

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You know, it was it was a silly 
sort of mistake. 

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But anyway, check my bloods and 
they were back down to seven and

444
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,880
then they dropped again then the
next time. 

445
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,400
So it was great, but it was a 
big lunar because it's sort of 

446
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,720
halfway through mess my mind set
up as well. 

447
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,520
So I was just clock. 
I was what clock watching then 

448
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,160
from 13 hours and it's a long 
day. 

449
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,640
Then when you've still got all 
that time left, I'm like, Oh my 

450
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,280
God, 18 hours. 
I got out, I had a bit of physio

451
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,040
treatment and I did contemplate 
and stopping. 

452
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,240
I was like, I don't know if I 
can do this. 

453
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,520
And my mind was going and Hope 
and Ross and a few others girls,

454
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,920
guys who work for me, they were 
like, you OK? 

455
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,240
And I was just like. 
You know, when you just like 

456
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,960
hang on, contemplate in life, 
you're like, what am I doing 

457
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,560
this for? 
Like, you know, am I, am I going

458
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,560
to hurt myself if I carry on? 
And I just kept thinking like, 

459
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,000
I've started doing it. 
I promised Dean that I was going

460
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,640
to do it with the suit. 
I promised Belinda I was going 

461
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,880
to do it. 
I wanted the world record title,

462
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,000
even though I had it anyway sort
of thing, you know, and I had 

463
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,520
put it out there all over social
media. 

464
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,080
So it is an ego thing as well. 
What it comes down to in it, you

465
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,400
know, and you know, and, and I 
thought, right, crack on. 

466
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,960
So that was that. 
But then 19 hours started 

467
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,400
getting light outside. 
And then when the light started 

468
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040
coming through the glass because
of Jane's Place is like all 

469
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,520
glass. 
So of course it was dark. 

470
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,040
It was horrible. 
My team had gone quiet as well. 

471
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,120
Now, at one point they were 
having pizza and bottles of 

472
00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:42,880
beer, right? 
And I'm like, really, I'm 

473
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,560
swimming and all I could smell 
is pizza. 

474
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,040
I was like, you bastards, like, 
you know, so but my mind when 

475
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,400
the light came up, I was like, 
right, I'm on the home 

476
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,960
stretcher. 
And all of a sudden then it was 

477
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,360
it was home stretch and I did 
it. 

478
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,040
Came just at the right time. 
Then 24 hours and one second it 

479
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,360
was. 24 hours and one second. 
Jesus Christ. 

480
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:02,880
Yeah. 
Did you have to get a distance 

481
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,480
or was it just time? 
No, so my distance, because of 

482
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,800
the pacing, we worked out I did 
57,000 meters in the pool. 

483
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840
So which was, yeah. 
So it was basically 2 channel 

484
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,080
swims made. 
More than that, more than that, 

485
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,000
yeah. 
So. 

486
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,120
So it's a lot. 
Yeah, so I've done a 24 hour 

487
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,920
challenge myself. 
It was up there, the world's 

488
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,680
biggest GPS drawer of a cock and
balls. 

489
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,040
That's class. 70, it was it was 
a run. 

490
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,400
And it's you find that like when
it when it's it's night time, 

491
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,880
it's like 4:00 AM, you just get 
you're battered, it's boring. 

492
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,200
You can't see anything. 
Like you're just tired. 

493
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,520
All you want to do is go to bed.
But when that sun comes back 

494
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,880
out, when you see that light, 
it's like you get rejuvenated. 

495
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,760
It's like Popeye drinking his 
spinach, like, isn't it? 

496
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,920
Yeah. 
It must be like the hormones 

497
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760
inside your brain going right. 
It's wake up time now and you 

498
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,720
can see it through. 
I can't believe that you're 

499
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,480
hallucinating as well. 
You've ever had that? 

500
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,480
Before never. 
And and again, like I said, I 

501
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,600
learned so much as a coach 
because, you know, it's so 

502
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,200
important to follow the plan 
now, whatever the plan is, 

503
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,680
whatever, you know, obviously I 
was on a low heart rate there 

504
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,640
almost in a fat, you know, in 
the fat burning zone, I suppose.

505
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,080
So those glycos levels were just
raising all the time, you know, 

506
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,480
But my point is, you know what, 
whether you're a Sprint, a 

507
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,800
middle distance, long distance, 
you know, you've got to stick to

508
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,800
the plan and also stick to what 
you've done in training. 

509
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,640
I've had so many guys over the 
years with like the electrolytes

510
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,880
and people go on about make sure
you get the electrolytes in now 

511
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,000
leading up to your race and make
sure your carb loading. 

512
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:29,880
Well, hang on a minute. 
Is that what you're used to 

513
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,800
doing, especially if you're an 
older person who's got into this

514
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560
later on, you know, whether it's
a midlife crisis or whether you 

515
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,480
just decide to do it as a 
challenge, whether that's Iron 

516
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,480
Man half rather than whatever, 
actually, yeah, there is science

517
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,160
behind carb loading. 
But if you're not used to it, 

518
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,480
are you going to have the shits 
or are you going to have a bad 

519
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,080
belly, you know, and knots in 
your stomach, or are you going 

520
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,080
to hallucinate like I did 
because you're not used to it? 

521
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,960
You know, it's just, it's really
interesting. 

522
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,200
You, you've got a good point 
there, because that's what they 

523
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,560
say before a race, like when or 
if it's a running race, it's 

524
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,800
like, don't forget to carb load.
You've got to have these pastors

525
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,920
and all this and on the day have
a bit of a bit of scrambled egg 

526
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,160
or something like that. 
But that's not why I'd usually 

527
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,120
have before a long run anyway. 
I'd usually go out. 

528
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,080
I'm more comfortable going out 
with nothing in me and I'll just

529
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,160
have a gel or two on the run. 
But now I'm loading up before I 

530
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,880
go out and I do always feel 
uncomfortable. 

531
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,120
I'm 50% of the time I'm getting 
a stitch. 

532
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,040
So let's just do what you use. 
It's what you're used to, you 

533
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000
know? 
100% like I ran earlier. 

534
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,360
I did an interval session 
earlier which was ending up 

535
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:31,960
being 10K but split up. 
And I've been lately I've been 

536
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,560
having, I don't know why it 
keeps coming up, but there's 

537
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,120
stuff on TikTok. 
You know what it's like when you

538
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:39,280
start strolling and they're 
talking about like brown bread 

539
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,120
with honey. 
And I love honey and honey's 

540
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,760
actually like it's, it's just so
good. 

541
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,120
My Mrs. Azit in like a gel, like
tubes, just honey and you can 

542
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,000
literally RIP it like a gel and 
just have it and it really 

543
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,240
works. 
For endurance events, that 

544
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,840
sounds. 
Wicked, basically a gel. 

545
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,280
So you know, it's, it's yeah. 
And it 100% works. 

546
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,320
And so I've been having a piece 
of toast with honey or I've been

547
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,320
having a bit of Greek yoghurt 
with a little bit of cereal 

548
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,880
mixing with honey. 
And I'll do that before my run. 

549
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,880
And that is absolutely works for
me. 

550
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,920
I'm not saying no, that's gospel
for everyone. 

551
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,840
But then like you said, it's on 
the run. 

552
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,440
Like, I've just done Brighton 
Marathon and it was my PB 

553
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,320
marathon. 
I've worked hard with the 

554
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,880
training, don't get me wrong, 
and I'm lighter. 

555
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,640
But I truly believe that because
I was taking my 100 grams of 

556
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,480
carbs on, you know, throughout 
the race, making sure I was 

557
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,400
getting that in with enough 
gels. 

558
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,560
Like I'd have 3 or 4 gels 
normally on a marathon. 

559
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,360
I was literally like 3 gels 
every hour, like banging them in

560
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,360
and it made a massive 
difference. 

561
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,480
Like I ran the whole way. 
Yeah. 

562
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,240
Whereas normally I get to 25 K 
and I'm like, oh, here we go. 

563
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,200
Hips bonking, walking, head 
gone. 

564
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,680
Like all of this, like, you 
know, all this business and I 

565
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920
didn't have any of that. 
I was like, Oh my God, like the 

566
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,000
machine is coming here. 
I can feel, you know, the, you 

567
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,080
know, I could feel it and it's 
because I feel properly. 

568
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,960
So yeah. 
Yeah, did you, did you see the 

569
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,040
body coach? 
What's his name? 

570
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,040
Joe Wicks. 
Do you see him recently saying 

571
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,520
you don't need to eat, I'll do 
his. 

572
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,320
You don't need to drink and you 
don't need to eat on a marathon.

573
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,640
It's like you're talking about 
your ass, mate. 

574
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,320
Like honestly. 
Yeah, big time. 

575
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,520
Yeah, yes. 
Biggest thing ever What's what's

576
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,480
your most unpopular opinion when
it comes to running or endurance

577
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,960
training? 
Unpopular. 

578
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,720
Yeah, do. 
You know, I'm always really 

579
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,680
careful with being controversial
with stuff like as in like, you 

580
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560
know, I don't like piping up 
about it because it again, we go

581
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,120
back to what we just discussed, 
like it's not one-size-fits-all,

582
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,360
you know, So like some people 
will pipe up about like this is 

583
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:41,080
the way to do it, you know, and 
my, my biggest annoying thing in

584
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,840
the swimming world is when 
swimming coaches and triathlon 

585
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,600
coaches and I don't, I'm putting
this out there because I'll be 

586
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,760
controversial because I can. 
They talk about bilateral 

587
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,040
breathing for open water 
swimming. 

588
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,960
On Earth is up. 
So breathing out both sides. 

589
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,600
So breathing every three. 
So didn't if you had swimming 

590
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,160
lessons as a kid, but you would 
have been taught to breathe 

591
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,680
bilaterally. 
So 123. 

592
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,080
So you breathe to the right, you
do 3 strokes, you breathe to the

593
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,520
left. 100% agree that it's great
to give the swimmer balance and 

594
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,840
be able to be breathe to both 
sides and practice to both 

595
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,560
sides. 
So a child, for instance. 

596
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,400
It also helps with adding 
rotation to both sides. 

597
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,200
So we're going off sort of 
subject a little bit here. 

598
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,840
But so many triathletes come to 
me and my coaches for lessons 

599
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,520
and they go, oh, well, my coach 
says that I need to bilaterally 

600
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,680
breathe in open war because I've
got to breathe to both sides. 

601
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,160
Like the ability to swap sides, 
yes, but don't just do it for 

602
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,480
the sake of it, OK? 
Don't just do it because the 

603
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,000
textbook in the library says 
that the best way to swim from 

604
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,840
crawl is breathing every three. 
You know, if you're breathing 

605
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,200
every three all the time, you're
just going to disrupt your 

606
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,560
stroke and end up snaking 
through the water, smashing if 

607
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,720
you haven't got a blue line or a
lane rope to follow. 

608
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,880
So that was, that's so in my 
industry, that's my bugbear. 

609
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,000
That's something I don't agree 
with. 

610
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,400
It's the ability to swap when 
you need to. 

611
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960
So if I'm a right breeder, so 
I'm breeding every two to the 

612
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,920
right. 
Yeah, nice and relaxed whether 

613
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,600
I'm racing or not. 
And I think, well, the waves are

614
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,400
hitting me in my face here, I'm 
going to switch. 

615
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,920
So then I would introduce 123 
and then I just stick to the 

616
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,280
left. 
So that's where it comes in, the

617
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,400
ability to swap, but not 
swapping all the time. 

618
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,320
So it's like you do you, that's 
what it is essentially you do, 

619
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,800
if it works for you, don't 
stress yourself out trying to 

620
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,480
force yourself to do something 
that doesn't work for you 

621
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,320
necessarily. 
Like yeah, I get that you're 

622
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,960
talking about, you're talking 
about swimming strokes then. 

623
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,680
So I used to do a bit of 
swimming back in the day, just 

624
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,600
as a bit of training and I was 
always fine on the the 50m pool 

625
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,640
down in Cardiff. 
I'm thrashing it out, you know, 

626
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,920
I'm thrashing my arms. 
I'm trying to go as hard, fast 

627
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,560
as I can. 
And then you just get like a 

628
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,680
lady in a mid 60s, seventies, 
just glide past me doing like 

629
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,920
less than half the stroke rate 
I'm doing. 

630
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,600
What am I doing wrong? 
How can I improve my swim, make 

631
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920
me improve my swimming? 
Now what's the one thing I can 

632
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,440
do? 
So she's creating something 

633
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,120
called distance per stroke. 
So everything you see above 

634
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,320
water is what you know when you 
see that Lady swimming, Daniel? 

635
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,560
Like how is she making it so 
easy? 

636
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,200
It's that iceberg analogy that 
you know, the big part of the 

637
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,360
iceberg's under the water, the 
small parts on top. 

638
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,560
So everything above water is the
small part, the relaxed recovery

639
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200
phase, the beautiful phase, the 
easy phase. 

640
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,520
So that's where she's resting. 
Ending underneath the water is 

641
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,280
where the power is happening. 
So she's pulling faster and 

642
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,160
she's creating a better paddle 
than you. 

643
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,080
So you're probably pulling with 
a straight arm all the way 

644
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,200
round, and then you're spinning 
your arm over because you need 

645
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840
to get another pull in. 
Whereas she's recovering nice 

646
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,440
and slow and controlled. 
She's entering, she's gliding, 

647
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,400
she's creating distance per 
stroke, and then she's putting 

648
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,080
the power in with a paddle. 
Now you won't see that unless 

649
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,160
you film it or go underwater 
with your goggles on. 

650
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:36,600
And that's essentially what it 
is. 

651
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,600
So she's creating this rotated 
stroke. 

652
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,560
So she's gliding and then she's 
powering through the water, 

653
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,760
gliding and powering. 
Whereas you're going, I'm going 

654
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680
to keep up and you're blowing, 
you know, you're blowing out 

655
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,560
your arse, you're adding too 
many strokes. 

656
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,600
You know, it's less is more in 
swimming. 

657
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,760
And even if you say, well, what 
about the sprinters in the 

658
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,000
Olympics? 
Well, you see the aerial shot of

659
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000
the 100 freestyle final right in
In the Olympic Games, every 

660
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840
single one of those swimmers is 
creating distance per stroke. 

661
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,400
They're not just spinning their 
arms around to go fast. 

662
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,080
You'll see the glide. 
If you slow it down, you'd see 

663
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360
them glide and their arms nearly
catching up even though they're 

664
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,600
going fast. 
But to the naked eye, you think 

665
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640
they're just spinning. 
Well, that's it because you'd 

666
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,720
assume that their, their arms 
are doing this as sort of like 

667
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,440
180° to each other constantly. 
But I've seen saw something 

668
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,280
recently. 
It's it's it's almost like 

669
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,560
you're you're tagging your next 
arm in. 

670
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Is that right? 
Yeah. 

671
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,160
So what you're describing is a 
drill called catch up. 

672
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
So what we're looking to do for 
the most efficiency in swimming 

673
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,000
is a catch up style stroke. 
So catch up is that as you 

674
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,520
described, which is a drill, but
a catch up style is nearly catch

675
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,600
up. 
So we're just plodding along and

676
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,640
we're getting this power and 
slow in it and power. 

677
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,880
So you're resting up front, but 
that's causing, sorry, it's 

678
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,800
giving you balance, balance, 
balance, balance, balance, 

679
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,920
balance, power, balance, 
balance, balance. 

680
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,960
So you're almost leaning on this
imaginary pole out in front and 

681
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,600
it's mad. 
When you get it right, you'll 

682
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,040
feel it. 
And you're like, ah, right. 

683
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Because it's one of those things
I reckon if you can just sort 

684
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,320
your technique you'll you'll 
almost double your speed 

685
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,480
straight away. 
Like if you've got bad. 

686
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
So many people come to us and 
they're like, Oh yeah, I can do 

687
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,600
2 minutes per hundred in a wet 
suit and I've hit a brick wall. 

688
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
I can't get any faster. 
So I'm like, right, two things. 

689
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,280
Well, you obviously need to 
analyse your stroke. 

690
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,000
So we need to look at rotation, 
what your legs are doing because

691
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400
they're probably relying on the 
wet suit to keep their legs up. 

692
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,640
And, and again, that's another 
bug bearer of mine in the 

693
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,400
triathlon industry. 
So you know that people say 

694
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,560
you're in a wet two, you don't 
need to kick, right. 

695
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,680
Well, that's ridiculous, isn't 
it? 

696
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,480
You know, if you're not kicking,
your legs are just going to be 

697
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,200
flaying about and nine times out
of 10, your legs are going to be

698
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,520
opening wide like this. 
So we're going to look at what 

699
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,240
their, what their legs are 
doing, are they creating this 

700
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,080
distance per stroke? 
And that's when we can start 

701
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,320
seeing some better results from 
it. 

702
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,560
So yeah, yeah, yeah. 
What's the easiest discipline of

703
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,160
a triathlon? 
For me, swimming. 

704
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000
Yeah, obviously for you. 
Yeah, swimming. 

705
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,840
What do you reckon? 
Like what's the easiest one to 

706
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,320
not master but to pick up? 
I think my reason why my 

707
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,560
business has become so 
successful is because swimming 

708
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,640
is the hardest and most 
technical, OK. 

709
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,720
And you need the most help. 
You do, yeah. 

710
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,280
Yeah. 
Whether it's a Sprint all the 

711
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,480
way out or super Sprint, which 
is 400 meters, Sprint 750 all 

712
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,160
the way up to, you know, Iron 
Man distance, which is 3.8 K. 

713
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,200
You have to have good technique 
to be able to get out of that 

714
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,480
water with and feeling efficient
and feeling ready to get through

715
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,520
transition onto the bike. 
Like anyone can ride a bike or 

716
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,880
run, can't they? 
You can walk if you need to or 

717
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,560
you all learn to bike to ride a 
bike as a kid, right? 

718
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Whether you're clipping in on 
the cleats or whether you're 

719
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,440
using the, you know, pedals. 
So, you know, I know there's 

720
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,880
obviously a very small minority 
who can't ride and run, but 

721
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,080
generally speaking, everyone can
run and ride. 

722
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,280
So swimming's the hardest and 
that's why everyone needs the 

723
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,960
most. 
And and you know what, all these

724
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,040
ex rugby players and 
footballers, they're all getting

725
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,240
into trathlon because it's it's 
something to get their teeth 

726
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,680
into. 
They're learning something new 

727
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,680
with the swimming technique and 
etcetera. 

728
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,800
Lot of people can swim, but can 
they swim properly? 

729
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,960
You know, Alfie always said to 
me because he couldn't swim at 

730
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,880
all. 
And when he all of a sudden he 

731
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,680
learned with me, he was like, I 
can swim a mean 25 meters now. 

732
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800
He could blast it down the pool 
because he was strong, powerful,

733
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,440
but actually he couldn't keep it
going because he didn't know how

734
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680
to create distance per stroke. 
And that relaxing. 

735
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600
So what I like to say now to a 
lot of my guys who come through,

736
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240
especially if they're big lumps,
girls and boys, they're like who

737
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,560
have come from powerful sports, 
you know, sort of, you know, 

738
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,280
fast twitch sports is that they 
can do a mean 25 meters without.

739
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,360
How can they learn to relax 
through 4000 meters and still be

740
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,440
efficient to get on the bike? 
Yeah, I've got to say it's 

741
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,000
learning, Yeah, learning to slow
that down and like just hit and 

742
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000
pace it. 
So you said which one's the 

743
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,120
hardest? 
Which one's the easiest? 

744
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,800
But again, I think running's 
easiest because of course you 

745
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,680
can walk. 
You know, you know you can, you 

746
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,640
can walk. 
Whereas the bike I I've, I've 

747
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920
actually had two mechanicals in 
five of my Iron Man's and 1 

748
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,840
ended up as ADNF. 
Unfortunately, at 90 miles, my 

749
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,720
bike failed me. 
Yeah, mate, honestly, my 

750
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,040
brother-in-law will be listening
to me. 

751
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,120
We'll listen to this, right? 
I'll tell him to listen to it 

752
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,800
and I'm going to give him a 
shout out now Matt Mat, because 

753
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,840
I didn't change my tyres before 
the event. 

754
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,480
He said to me if you change your
tyres I was like I'll be fine, I

755
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,080
don't need to change my tyres, 
they're fine. 

756
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,360
Like you know and 9092 miles in 
Tenby. 

757
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,640
So I've done most of it. 
This 112 on the bike and I was 

758
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,560
ready to get and I was actually 
on for a PB bike and I had to 

759
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,720
blow out the tyre wall ripped 
open. 

760
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880
So not just the inner tube 
bursting, the whole tyre split 

761
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,240
open. 
I hit a pothole and it was a hot

762
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,920
day. 2023 Iron Man Wales. 
And so people who were who do 

763
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,840
listen, who did, who did that 
race or know it was a hot day. 

764
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200
There was tyres exploding left, 
right and centre in transition. 

765
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360
So the races were over before 
they even started. 

766
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,160
Some people were getting out of 
the water and because they you 

767
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,640
rack your bike, you know, the 
day before sea in, in a 

768
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,120
triathlon and because we had 
such heat, I think it was like 

769
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,240
28° or something ridiculous. 
If you've got too much air in a 

770
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,840
tyre, they'll burst right? 
I think I was there for that one

771
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,880
to watch. 
Yeah, no, I was. 

772
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,320
I think I was down Tenby 
watching that. 

773
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,159
Yeah, so I get to the transition
in the morning like happy days, 

774
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,280
my tyres are fine, 92 miles on 
the bike and I got off the bike 

775
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,719
of the first ever puncture. 
This was now right, Bearing in 

776
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,360
mind I've literally done loads, 
never had a puncture in my life.

777
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,880
I was like here we go. 
My first ever puncture on Iron 

778
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,600
Man went to go and change it 
tyre. 

779
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,719
So I had to DNFI was gutted do. 
You not have a spare tyre. 

780
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,040
No, so the the, the crew come 
round, so they what they call 

781
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,280
the sweep vehicle. 
So you have one vehicle that 

782
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,800
comes in like the mechanic who 
sort of assists you. 

783
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,320
So you obviously, you know, your
time's dwindling down all of a 

784
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,440
sudden and you've got your 
wristband on which they can 

785
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,320
scan. 
So if you decide to DNF, they 

786
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,480
scan the barcode to sort of stop
your race. 

787
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,000
So for safety and everything 
else. 

788
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,719
So the first guys come up, the 
mechanic, they're like, we got 

789
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,000
in a tube. 
They was like, I don't need an 

790
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,360
inner tube, I need a tyre. 
Oh, we haven't got a tyre. 

791
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Sorry. 
I was like, so I waited an hour 

792
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,160
and a half on the side of the 
road for the sweep vehicle to 

793
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,280
turn up where they rack your 
bike on the back. 

794
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,800
And he said you DNF. 
I said, well, I have to like I'm

795
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,880
not walking the rest I, I'm not 
going to get there. 

796
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,720
You know, it was basically the, 
the last few hills left, but 

797
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,760
it's just brutal. 
So I was like, yeah, DNF. 

798
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,240
So I get in the back of the car 
and there was another guy in 

799
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,280
there. 
He was our age and he was 

800
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,160
sobbing, loving, first ever Iron
Man, trained all year for it and

801
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,280
his guts had gone so I didn't 
even get into the conversation 

802
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,000
with him really because he 
literally was in tears. 

803
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,480
This guy, it felt so sorry for 
him. 

804
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,720
Did it smell as well? 
I think I didn't know what had 

805
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,680
gone on, but he just lost his 
head. 

806
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,160
His stomach was cramping. 
He was in a right state and all 

807
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,920
this. 
He said, Oh my family, a year to

808
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,520
watch and I felt so sorry for 
him. 

809
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,120
But I didn't feel like that 
because I'd done three previous 

810
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,240
Iron Man's. 
I was like, I've got away with 

811
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,400
this many and never had a 
mechanical, but you would laugh.

812
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,400
So the year later, because our 
club had 10 new people sign up 

813
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,760
that year, I'm am Wales gave us 
a free place and I'm going to 

814
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,960
say it on camera now. 
I was meant to sort of offer it 

815
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,240
out to new people. 
Whatever. 

816
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,560
I thought, I'm having that free 
place. 

817
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,400
I'm going again next year. 
I'm not paying. 

818
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,800
I'm going again. 
Can they give it to you? 

819
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,760
To charity. 
Though you can do what you want.

820
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,120
You can auction it out or you 
can like give it to the newest 

821
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,000
club member or whatever. 
I'm having it. 

822
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,760
I built this club so so I get 
the free place and I said to my 

823
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,880
Mrs. I'm doing it again. 
She's like, Oh my God. 

824
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,800
She said, I want you to promise 
me now this is the last one 

825
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,040
because I've had enough. 
She's had enough. 

826
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,360
She carted the kids around 
watching me bloody do it. 

827
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,280
I know it's the business, but 
she said. 

828
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,600
I've had enough of watching you 
do it. 

829
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,520
Leading cause of divorce. 
Yeah, so, so I'm, I'm not, I'm 

830
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,360
going to go TT this year. 
So I'm buying a new bike, all 

831
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,320
this business. 
So I bought myself. 

832
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,560
It was a second hand TT frame, 
brand new wheels, brand new 

833
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,200
seat, brand new helmet, brand 
new everything. 

834
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,680
It was all brand new, right? 
Lush. 

835
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,320
I get to 70 miles going up 
Heartbreak Hill, all the crowds.

836
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,360
You know where I'm at now. 
Yeah. 

837
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Going after Saundersfoot Hill, 
riding up. 

838
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,360
I'm like loving life again. 
On for a PB time. 

839
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Seat post snaps. 
I swear I fell off the back of 

840
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,200
my bike. 
You couldn't, you can't write 

841
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,880
it. 
The bolt snapped on my seat, 

842
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
right? 
And I was there all witnesses. 

843
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,640
So this is not bullshit, right? 
I fell off the bike. 

844
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,320
The crowds caught me. 
And of course, you're not 

845
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,280
allowed assistance from the 
crowd, really. 

846
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,960
But I was like, I don't give a 
shit, guy. 

847
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,480
He's like, you know, I'm 
finishing this race. 

848
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Someone give me some zippy ties 
or something. 

849
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560
The bolt had snapped. 
So I'd lost all the like all the

850
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,240
layers of I'm not a cyclist so 
I'm forgive me for not knowing 

851
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,040
what these things are called, 
but the little brackets under 

852
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,280
your seat that sort of like sit 
on the, on the frame itself or 

853
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,320
the, the post, I should say. 
So the bolt had snapped. 

854
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,400
So basically what we'd done, the
one of the locals came over with

855
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,920
these large zippy ties. 
So you gave me 6 wicked zippy 

856
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,160
ties, massive things. 
And I zippy tied the seat to the

857
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,080
post, but it was just wobbling 
and it was always there and on 

858
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,680
ATT bike now I had to sit on 
this bloody thing. 

859
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Well, I was like and in the end 
I just ripped the seat off and 

860
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,000
threw it and I rode out of the 
saddle for 40 odd miles to 

861
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,320
finish, right. 
Yeah, it took me, I was on for 

862
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,000
sub seven hours and I did it in 
8 1/2 hours. 

863
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,600
So I added about an hour and a 
half to my time, which is what I

864
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,720
was gutted, but I thought 
there's no way I'm stopping. 

865
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,160
I promised her this was my last 
one. 

866
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,040
I got through it through my bike
in the transition with no seat 

867
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,360
on it. 
There's I got pictures, I'll 

868
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,680
send them to him later. 
There's pictures of me pushing 

869
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,560
my bike up on the 2nd loop of 
Heartbreak Hill in Saunders foot

870
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,040
with no seat. 
And I'm like this and people are

871
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,080
like in the background you can 
see him. 

872
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,360
And I thought there's no way I'm
stopping. 

873
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Like there's just no way. 
I can't. 

874
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,840
People won't believe that I've 
had a mechanical two years in a 

875
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,960
row. 
Like, you know, it's just that 

876
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,840
was what kept going through my 
mind and fair play Liam Lloyd. 

877
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,480
And if you had Liam Lloyd, he's 
a he's a quite he's a pro 

878
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,280
triathlete Welsh guy and he's 
got his company called Tri 

879
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,960
potential. 
So give him a shout out. 

880
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,720
But anyway, Liam, good guy. 
It happened to him in long 

881
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,840
course bike. 
So it's the same sort of Dist, 

882
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,960
same problem. 
But it didn't, He only had 10 

883
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,840
miles to go. 
And he gave me a shout out after

884
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,560
the Iron Man. 
I was buzzing about it because 

885
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,360
he was like, us Welsh are built 
differently. 

886
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,840
We can ride that course without 
a seat if we want to. 

887
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,160
And he put it on his social 
media and I was like loving it. 

888
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600
I felt a reply. 
Yeah, I did 40 miles mate, you 

889
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,320
did 10. 
But mate is a long tie. 

890
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,400
I was crying, my eye, honestly, 
I was in tears. 

891
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,440
I had cuts where the zippy ties 
had stayed on the post because 

892
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,240
I'd zippy tied it on and then 
ripped the seat. 

893
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,480
The zippy ties are still on the 
post. 

894
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,800
So of course where I was riding,
it was catching all the inside 

895
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,000
of my legs. 
And you know what it's like with

896
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
a sharp zippy tie. 
I had blood. 

897
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,000
I was cut to shreds down here 
all up in my groin, and I got 

898
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,920
into transition. 
I sat there for about half an 

899
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,840
hour because I, you know, I was 
just like, I don't care. 

900
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,600
I'm going to finish this race. 
I got time. 

901
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
I think I took six hours, 43 
minutes for the marathon. 

902
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,640
I just walked and ran and just, 
I just in tears. 

903
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,360
I was fucked. 
Excuse my language. 

904
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,040
And yeah, but I got it done. 
And then last year was my the 

905
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,640
only year where I've ever 
watched it. 

906
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
And last year was when I stopped
drinking because I had a skin 

907
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,800
full and I am drunk since. 
And I'm doing it again this year

908
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160
because I'm thinking, well, hang
on a minute, I'm 3 stone lighter

909
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,360
now what can I do that? 
Was the missus say. 

910
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,600
She's not happy, she's happy and
not happy, but she, she knows 

911
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,000
I'm on this new journey. 
And it sounds a bit selfish, but

912
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,240
it's the first time in 36 years 
where I've not had alcohol in my

913
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,440
diet and, and I just want to see
what I can do. 

914
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,720
You know, I'm like my, my 
marathon PB, I've just done APB 

915
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,320
on the half distance 70.3 in 
Majorca. 

916
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,120
Like I'm talking an hour and 3 
minute PB, you know, massive, 

917
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,840
massive. 
So my PB for Iron Man is 1352 

918
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,080
and I want to go sub 13. 
Some people are saying you're on

919
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,000
for sub 12. 
I'm like whoa now hang on a 

920
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,600
minute. 
You know, like I'm not 

921
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,240
interested in my top age group 
and all that business. 

922
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,280
You know, these guys, some of 
them are going 10 1/2 hours and 

923
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960
that's not happening, right? 
But if I can get anywhere, if I 

924
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,960
can get 12 something, I'll be 
over the moon and I know I can 

925
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,280
just put it to bed then and just
still be involved in the sport 

926
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,200
and enjoy the sport and do short
distance stuff. 

927
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,920
But this is my last year for 
Iron Man Wales. 

928
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Yeah, bullshit, bullshit. 
Every Iron person they say every

929
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,960
fucking single year. 
This is my last one. 

930
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,280
This is my last one. 
You do with Matt Pritchard. 

931
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,760
Do you coach him at all or you 
just mates? 

932
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,320
So yeah, we still, we've got a 
couple of things up our sleeves.

933
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,560
So originally this, we became 
friends, we joined Ion together 

934
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,640
at the same time. 
So Robin Snowden, Taylor's Gym, 

935
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,360
we joined at the same time. 
We did have a bit of history 

936
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,800
from our club in days back in 
the day and sort of knew each 

937
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,520
other then, you know, right. 
Yeah, right. 

938
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Little ravers. 
But we didn't know each other 

939
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,280
really well. 
It was just higher on the dance 

940
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,640
floor, like, you know, shirts 
off, ginning and whatever else, 

941
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,800
you know. 
And then both sort of, you know,

942
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,880
Matt properly and Ion and we 
ended up in the same classes 

943
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,080
together and we've done a couple
of high rocks together and we 

944
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,280
just hit it off. 
And because he's obviously, he's

945
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,680
four years sober this year and, 
you know, we've just become 

946
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,720
really friendly, like, you know,
really he's one of my best 

947
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,480
mates, like, you know, and then 
it's just because we've got so 

948
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
much in common, you know, he'll 
tell me stuff, I'll tell him 

949
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,920
stuff. 
And yeah, we, we're doing Iron 

950
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Man Wales together this year. 
So I'm helping him with his 

951
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,120
swimming. 
Obviously he's a good, good 

952
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,400
swimmer. 
He's come to realize that 

953
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,520
actually if you swim daily then 
you get better because that's a 

954
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,920
big thing with a lot of these 
guys. 

955
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,320
They think I've got to do the 
bike and I've got to do the run,

956
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,080
even though they're good at it. 
But I'll do 2 swims a week. 

957
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,960
I'll be fine. 
You know, you've got to swim to 

958
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,880
be able to get a swimming. 
And Rick Pritch has just 

959
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,240
realized recently he hurt his 
knee. 

960
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,720
So he did. 
I think it was throughout March 

961
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,200
he did a Sprint, Rathlon every 
day, but he walked the run part.

962
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,480
But he swam in my unit every 
day. 

963
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,080
So every morning he was there at
5:00 in the morning opening up 

964
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,800
for us. 
Oh, you gave him the keys to do.

965
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,080
You gave. 
Him a key, he got his own key, 

966
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,960
so he was doing his swim. 
So he was 750 meters swim and he

967
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960
was only doing 7. 
So he was like, what, 10-15 

968
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,200
minutes of swimming? 
But he said to me at the end, he

969
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,880
said, I feel so good now 
swimming. 

970
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,680
I'm like, because you're 
swimming every day, you know, 

971
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,560
your body is now used to that 
feel of the water. 

972
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,080
Your buoyancy is better, your 
rotations better. 

973
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,720
You got that feel for the water,
as coaches say and swimmers say.

974
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,560
So, yeah, so we're doing that. 
But we were meant to be doing 

975
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,360
this year. 
He was on about doing the Irish 

976
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Sea. 
So he was going to swim from 

977
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,880
Holyhead and you'll have to get 
him on for this. 

978
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,440
I'll see if I can get him on to 
have a chat with you about it 

979
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,760
from Holyhead to Dublin. 
It's choppy, that water. 

980
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,920
Oh yeah, yeah. 
Well, only relays have done it. 

981
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,240
No one's done a solo. 
So I said when he said to me, I 

982
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,720
was like, I'm serious. 
And he went, I got to do it. 

983
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,960
So he's basically proposed to 
Kira as misses in Dublin after 

984
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,800
riding the route. 
I don't know what the route he 

985
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
was, but so you forgive me for 
not knowing the exact route, but

986
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,520
he's run and road. 
So he's he's done the Wales to 

987
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,600
Dublin ride and run, but he's 
not Swami, right? 

988
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,920
You'll have to Google what he 
actually did for those two 

989
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,240
disciplines, but he won. 
I really want to swim in. 

990
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,520
I'm like, it's going to be hard.
I said, I said to him we'd have 

991
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,800
to do it together. 
We'll do it as a relay. 

992
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,160
No, no, no, you're not doing it.
You're not doing it. 

993
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,680
I'm doing it. 
You can be on the boat. 

994
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,640
So, you know, I'm like, right. 
OK. 

995
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,680
So this is going to be a long 
one. 

996
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,280
So the plan was to do that this 
year. 

997
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,960
But he's got a couple of other 
gigs going on with them, with 

998
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,880
his other stuff, with The Dirty 
Sanchez stuff. 

999
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,720
So he's had to put a pin in it 
for now. 

1000
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,880
But I know next year he's on 
about doing that. 

1001
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,040
So that'll be interesting. 
Oh, mate. 

1002
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,560
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, we were on the journey. 

1003
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,240
We were building up and he was, 
you know, he was getting fit and

1004
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,600
fitter and fitter. 
And then I'm and Wales very 

1005
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,000
kindly said to him, you know, 
we'll get you on board if you're

1006
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,320
up for a coming, you know, 
coming to our place and stuff, 

1007
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,080
you know, get him on the, get 
him on the circuit. 

1008
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,880
So he was buzzing for that. 
So with that's his goal this 

1009
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,480
year. 
But yeah, we've hit it off. 

1010
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,000
You know, we're good mates. 
We've just done this cycle over 

1011
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,000
in the Pyrenees together, so we.
Yeah, I saw on the socials it 

1012
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,920
looked like a laugh. 
Brilliant opportunity. 

1013
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,680
So Neil Navara, who's he's like 
the chairperson or one of the 

1014
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,640
chair people at Ospreys 
Community charity, they very 

1015
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,360
kindly invited me to join in 
with Pritch and Shane Williams 

1016
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,960
and Ian Goff and a few of the 
other faces from the Ospreys 

1017
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,880
team. 
That was an opportunity. 

1018
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
And I know some of the guys 
anyway, from working with them 

1019
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,280
with trap in the trathlon over 
the trathlon years. 

1020
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,680
And so it was good to catch up 
with those guys. 

1021
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,560
And yeah, I, I was buzzing. 
I was in the top group. 

1022
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,640
I was riding with these fast 
boys and like Shane's a little 

1023
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,960
whippet on the bike. 
Like him, he's. 

1024
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,480
Still fit in a yeah. 
Fair play, but Pritch is a dark 

1025
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,760
horse. 
I'm telling you what he was 

1026
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,160
like, oh, should we go in the 
second group? 

1027
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,680
I said get in the top group, 
come on. 

1028
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440
And he was leading the top group
and I was taking, you know, 

1029
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,600
having a go as well. 
He's a fit bloke, you know, fit 

1030
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,480
bloke. 
Considering what he's put 

1031
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,760
himself through over the years, 
he is fit. 

1032
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,480
I saw a photo of him literally 
today or yesterday. 

1033
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,440
I was like fair dudes to the 
guy. 

1034
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,880
He's looking pretty ripped. 
He is fit. 

1035
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,960
In the last few years, the last 
four years maybe, when he 

1036
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,720
stopped the drinking and he's 
gone. 

1037
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,840
I think it's a massive, massive 
impact. 

1038
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,760
I've seen such gains from not 
drinking like, you know, you 

1039
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,560
sleep, obviously the weight. 
You know, I was saying to you 

1040
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,080
earlier off camera I was 123 KG 
and now 98 KG. 

1041
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Now I was chipping away at it. 
I think I got to about 117 KG 

1042
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,320
before I stopped drinking. 
Just diet in. 

1043
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,280
And then of course you'd drink 
on the weekends and it would 

1044
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,400
fluctuate. 
The water weight is always like 

1045
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,840
this. 
Stopping the booze has been a 

1046
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,800
game changer. 
You sort of not lose your 

1047
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,640
appetite, but you don't have 
this craving all the time for 

1048
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:06,800
the shit. 
You know? 

1049
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200
You don't have to have this. 
You know you can you, you've got

1050
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,840
the choice in your mind to eat 
clean, have a treat, but you 

1051
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,480
just want to eat clean, you 
know, drink water, eat clean. 

1052
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,600
I do like the odd a can of 
monster. 

1053
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,200
That's my little go to. 
That's my vice as. 

1054
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,080
Well, I live a monster. 
I love a monster. 

1055
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,960
Oh, mate, Honestly, I'm like my 
Mrs. Like, here he goes again, 

1056
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,720
obsessed about something else. 
But yeah, but. 

1057
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,680
But my point is, is that you 
know, it's easy to keep the 

1058
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:31,800
weight off when you're not 
drinking. 

1059
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,600
Yeah, but it's not just a couple
of beers because it's what it's 

1060
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,720
what it's after. 
Then you have a poor sleep, then

1061
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,240
you're waking up groggy or bit 
tired, then you're having the 

1062
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,680
fry up, then you're missing your
training session. 

1063
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Then it rolls into the next day.
And you know, I don't know about

1064
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,840
you. 
Like when I used to go out, it 

1065
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,640
would take me about 3-4 days to 
get over it because it's it's 

1066
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
the booze and everything that 
comes along with the booze. 

1067
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,240
You know what I mean? 
So it's almost, I remember 

1068
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,520
looking at my life and it's 
going like everything I'm not 

1069
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,360
happy about in my life. 
And I was like, why am I like 

1070
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,760
this? 
Why am I traced it all back? 

1071
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,800
Everything came down to booze. 
Everything I say if I just stop 

1072
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,560
that I'll be fine. 
Do. 

1073
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,320
You know what was interesting? 
I used to think it was a bit of 

1074
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,560
a macho thing, I suppose, Like 
people talk about anxiety and I 

1075
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,000
used to think to myself, I'm not
an anxious person, you know, I 

1076
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,640
don't get anxious, you know? 
And I had an ADHD assessment and

1077
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,440
it came back, you know, and 
people will argue, oh, 

1078
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,880
everyone's got ADHD and all 
that. 

1079
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,400
I struggled in school, you know,
I wasn't good in school. 

1080
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,160
My mind would wander. 
I was always a little bit hyper.

1081
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,160
And of course, swimming helped 
me so much because I was always 

1082
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:34,640
in the pool. 
But yeah, the I've lost my trail

1083
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,280
of thought now. 
ADHD What was it for boozing 

1084
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,280
anxiety? 
Anxiety, sorry. 

1085
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I, yeah, 
got me back. 

1086
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,600
I've only done it twice this 
interview so I'm doing it right 

1087
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,480
there so. 
That's the ADHD. 

1088
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,400
He's yeah, I'm trying to think 
of so many things 100%. 

1089
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,080
And so, yeah, so the anxiety 
thing, it was a big thing for me

1090
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,640
and I was I and it was getting 
worse as I was getting older. 

1091
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,320
And of course, yeah, I was 
drinking too much. 

1092
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,560
I was clocking up ridiculous 
amount of drink through the 

1093
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,000
week, but only lager, not like 
Alcoholics or drinking whiskey 

1094
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,960
and all this business. 
I was lager obsessive about 

1095
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,440
having a beer on the weekends 
and he would get more and more 

1096
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,960
and more, but I'd wake up on a 
Monday morning a smashing. 

1097
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,760
I'd be like, Oh my God, you 
know, and I'd really the minds 

1098
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,880
because I'm good at mindset. 
I was like, Oh, shut up. 

1099
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,800
Like, you know, you're fine, you
know, And actually when I gave 

1100
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,560
into it, I was like, I'm just 
proper. 

1101
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,640
I'm so anxious all the time, you
know, and I'm putting this show 

1102
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,520
on all the time. 
But actually deep down I wasn't.

1103
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,320
I was just faking the person 
that I was being all the time, 

1104
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,080
if that makes sense. 
And I was then. 

1105
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,280
But of course the vicious circle
was, oh, I'll have a drink 

1106
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
because I'll sort my head out. 
So I'll get to Wednesday and 

1107
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,560
I'll have a couple of beers. 
Thursday I'll be a little bit 

1108
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,680
anxious, but then no, Friday 
I'll be back on the beer. 

1109
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,200
So I'll be fine. 
And there was this like this 

1110
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,080
through the week. 
And of course, when that when I 

1111
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,520
actually admitted that was what 
was going on to myself, that's 

1112
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,120
when I started realizing, Oh my 
God, I got a bit of a problem 

1113
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,120
here. 
That's why I stopped, you know, 

1114
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,560
I stopped and that's. 
But you were able to stop 

1115
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,680
because you finally worked the 
bloody out. 

1116
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,240
I worked it out. 
Yeah, I know. 

1117
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,320
And so many people, you know 
what you wouldn't believe? 

1118
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,080
My missus keeps saying to me, 
I'm going to end up being a 

1119
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,240
counsellor because a couple of 
men obviously going to mention 

1120
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:09,440
names, guys I went to school 
with or close friends actually 

1121
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,280
have messaged me for a coffee 
and said, oh, I can't believe 

1122
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,400
you've been eight months. 
Like how? 

1123
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,360
How like fair play. 
Used to love a beer. 

1124
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,600
How have you done done it? 
And I, I've recently met with 

1125
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,560
one of the guys the other day, 
like, and I just said I just 

1126
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,760
wanted to stop, like it was time
to stop. 

1127
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,680
And I've I've had my fair share,
like me and Fritch were saying 

1128
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,800
it when we were away. 
I just feel like I've had my 

1129
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,240
fair share, like I don't really 
need to do it anymore. 

1130
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,600
Like, and if you feel like that,
then what the heck you doing it 

1131
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,160
for? 
Like, you know, you know, and I 

1132
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,240
feel so much better for myself 
and my my missus is trying to 

1133
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,800
work out the day who's sober. 
Like, which is we because we met

1134
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,960
like, you know, we were clevers 
and she only knows me really is 

1135
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,320
the person who likes a booze, 
like, you know, likes a drink 

1136
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,000
and, you know, likes to go 
wrecked. 

1137
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,320
But actually, were our 
relationships better, better 

1138
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,960
with the kids? 
You know, I'm a better coach. 

1139
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,680
I got more focused with the 
work, with the business, you 

1140
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,320
know, and again, I was always 
focused and had my my vision 

1141
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,320
with the business. 
But now I know exactly what's 

1142
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,640
going on, you know, and things 
have been sorted out in work 

1143
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,040
because of it as well. 
So yeah, it's interesting. 

1144
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,200
That's good, man. 
It's good to see like, because 

1145
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,400
it's that realization, isn't it?
And now you can see. 

1146
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,040
Oh, bloody life is so much 
better without it. 

1147
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,160
But like when you're in it, you 
think I cannot live with without

1148
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,560
it. 
Like, it's nuts, isn't it? 

1149
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,600
I lost my dad to alcohol as 
well. 

1150
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,800
He was an alcoholic. 
So he's been dead 10 years now. 

1151
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Yeah. 
And he, he swore I wouldn't have

1152
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,360
said he was an alcoholic only 
until he retired and we realised

1153
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,360
how much drinking was going on. 
And that's not why I stopped 

1154
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,400
either, by the way. 
You know, I stopped because of 

1155
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,080
me, not because of what, the 
example that was lead, you know,

1156
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,960
from my parent, you know. 
Yeah, my mum nagged him and my 

1157
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,320
mum's nagged me and my brother 
and sister about drinking 

1158
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,560
because she drinks as well. 
So you can't nag if you're a 

1159
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,440
drinker as well sort of thing. 
I always say that to her. 

1160
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,520
But you've got to do it for you.
You can't do it just because 

1161
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,400
your mate's doing it. 
Oh, fair play, you've done it. 

1162
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,800
I'm going to do that. 
You've got to want to do it, you

1163
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,280
know, and got to want to stop. 
And then, and I'm not judging 

1164
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,880
anyone for still drinking, you 
know, I take my hat off to them 

1165
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440
if they're drinking like I'm, 
you'll laugh like I'll be 

1166
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,560
drinking zeros, I'll have 4 cans
of 0 and drink them like they're

1167
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,600
proper lagers. 
Sometimes 8 cans and my Mrs. is 

1168
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,600
like you've just drank 8 cans of
Australia 0. 

1169
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Like what's the matter with you?
I'm not watching the rugby, you 

1170
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,000
know. 
But you hit the nail on the head

1171
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,200
there. 
You've got to want to stop 

1172
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,520
because it doesn't matter how 
much people nag you, that won't 

1173
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,280
do anything. 
If anything, their nagging is 

1174
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,080
going to stress you out. 
So you're going to keep doing it

1175
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,520
or do it more. 
You've got to get to that point 

1176
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,280
where, and I like to say this, 
suffering is the biggest 

1177
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,960
catalyst for change. 
When you've had a fucking tits 

1178
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,600
full and you're up to your eyes 
and you've got no more. 

1179
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,960
I can't live like this, like and
then and then you, you need to 

1180
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,800
change like that's Brill, man. 
We'll start wrapping it up 

1181
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,840
nowadays because it's been a 
good old chat. 

1182
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,280
Like I've enjoyed it, but we'll 
try, we'll try and circle 

1183
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,400
background now. 
We'll try and end it on where we

1184
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,200
started. 
And it was sort of like what can

1185
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,480
endurance runners or runners 
learn from swimmers basically. 

1186
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,640
So if there's anyone out there 
that's listening that wants to 

1187
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,320
sort of build their endurance 
without sort of breaking 

1188
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,800
themselves, what are the first 3
three things they should be 

1189
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,840
looking at doing? 
Obviously you need a good coach 

1190
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,240
because there's a lot. 
There we are, love it the plug 

1191
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:13,000
straight away. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1192
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,080
I mean, yeah, yeah. 
I mean, you don't have to have 

1193
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,280
me. 
You probably can't get me 

1194
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,280
anyway. 
I'm too busy. 

1195
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,080
And expensive. 
Yeah, no, a good coach. 

1196
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,640
I mean, like across all sports, 
as sport and health and fitness 

1197
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,280
is growing, more and more people
are becoming coaches, aren't 

1198
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,960
they? 
You know, they get into a sport 

1199
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,880
and they do a level 1 in that 
sport and they become so good 

1200
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,800
coaches is the first thing you 
need. 

1201
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,160
You know, look at their 
background, look at the 

1202
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,720
knowledge and understanding of 
the sport. 

1203
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:43,080
Now they don't have to be Axe 
swimmers really to be able to be

1204
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,160
good coaches. 
My mum's not an Axe swimmer and 

1205
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,360
she's a fantastic coach and, you
know, one of my mentors from 

1206
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,760
over the years and that's what 
I've learned a lot from. 

1207
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,600
But yes, I'm an Axe swimmer and 
I've learned, I've learned from 

1208
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,200
so many people. 
So look at who, who you go into 

1209
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,760
for swimming lessons, OK, Or 
swimming coaching if it's a 

1210
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,640
group swimming lesson, right? 
You know, and it's loads and 

1211
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,200
loads of adults and it's only 
half an hour and they're going 

1212
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,960
to get you doing all the strokes
and all that. 

1213
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040
It's no good. 
OK, you I, I'd advise going to 1

1214
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,560
to one swimming lessons. 
So yeah, get the good coach. 

1215
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,120
But one to one you're going to 
pay a bit more, but you're going

1216
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,120
to get far much. 
You're going to get so much more

1217
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,840
from it. 
You'll progress quicker. 

1218
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,960
You won't lose interest then. 
And then if you're a runner or a

1219
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,840
cyclist or whatever, you'll then
see the benefits quicker. 

1220
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,880
That complements your main 
discipline. 

1221
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,520
You're going to end up throwing 
loads of money away if you go 

1222
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,440
into groups. 
Now I know some people can't 

1223
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,480
afford it, you know, etcetera, 
but if you can just stretch 

1224
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,880
yourself a little bit with the 
budget, then that would be a big

1225
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,880
advice for me, you know, as a 
second one. 

1226
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,280
And then thirdly, you know, 
don't give up on it. 

1227
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,760
You know it will come. 
It's these click moments in 

1228
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,000
swimming like everything in 
life, you know, eventually, all 

1229
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,120
of a sudden, like I always say 
to my clients, it's like 

1230
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,400
learning to drive. 
All of a sudden, you know, when 

1231
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,200
you first did clutch control on 
a hill and you were like, hang 

1232
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,400
on a minute, I'm not going to be
able to get this or trying to 

1233
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,000
indicate as well as turn the 
steam reel. 

1234
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,280
It's the same with swimming. 
All of a sudden it just becomes 

1235
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,520
natural muscle memory and you 
go, ah, right. 

1236
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,760
I know what I'm doing now, and 
it's the most beautiful feeling 

1237
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,440
in the world when you get it. 
And then all of a sudden your 

1238
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,240
fitness will go through the roof
in the water, and then your Zone

1239
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,240
2 and all the other things that 
you want to work on with your 

1240
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:21,760
running and your other 
disciplines. 

1241
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,760
It'll complement it and make it 
better off the back. 

1242
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,680
Yeah. 
Dave Tonch. 

1243
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,160
Thank you my man. 
Thank you for coming down. 

1244
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Where? 
Where can people follow you? 

1245
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,080
So at Dave Tom Swim on Instagram
or at Heathwood swimming on all 

1246
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,040
social medias. 
Yeah, and I'll see if I can get 

1247
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,840
down to Tenby. 
Watch you do the Iron Man this 

1248
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,080
year. 
Looking forward to it mate. 

1249
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,320
Thank you very much man. 
Thanks. 

1250
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,120
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1251
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,440
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1252
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,400
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1253
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,240
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