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The the one challenge that 
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seemed to go everywhere. 
I think it went viral, was the 

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piano challenge. 
Yeah. 

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Talk to me about that. 
What? 

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What What was that? 
What was that challenge? 

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People still talking about that 
now and that was 5-6 years, six 

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years ago that was done. 
You were there, you helped me 

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with it. 
No, it was so basically carries 

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well strap the piano at my back 
and went the Garth, which is a 

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big hill in the area. 
Raised money for charity for the

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Royal Bromley and Harefield 
Hospital Charity. 

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Raised a good few grand, but 
yeah, it was everywhere. 

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That was Fox News America, Men's
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did it as well, all sorts of 
social media channels. 

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So yeah, it really, it really. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Went everywhere that I still get
people stopping me. 

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Oh, you know, this guy did this,
This guy did that or doing 

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anything like that again, 
carrying any pianos. 

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So it's it's a bit of a 
reputation I've got now. 

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Yeah, it's furniture removal 
man, right? 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, but I love the you just 

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said. 
Oh, I just chucked a piano on my

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back and went up the Garth 
Mountain. 

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But how big was this piano? 
It wasn't a massive it was it 

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was a fair size piano, but it 
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for maybe a small, small piano. 
It was, you know, fully 

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functioning because people will 
stop me on the weight and they 

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are better doesn't work. 
You're taking you're taking the 

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insides out. 
So challenge them to have a go 

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and play it. 
And no one behold, it played. 

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I've still got the piano. 
Now it's just sitting there, 

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sitting there gathering dust. 
Occasionally the cats will play 

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on it when they when they jump 
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What sort of weight was it? 
We estimated the weight to be, 

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was it 160 kilograms or 
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think something. 
Like that heavier weight? 

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That's a heavier weight. 
I think the, the, the media went

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with £400 because when somebody 
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was it, I just said, oh, 
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somewhere between 350 to 400 
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And they went, OK, 400 lbs, 
we'll go with that. 

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So I don't really know how much 
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awkward more than more than the 
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It was an awkward shape. 
It it was a full size piano that

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definitely a full size piano. 
Like it wasn't a tinky tongue 

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thing, but like and so you're 
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which is massive. 
You did it surprisingly fast. 

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I like you. 
You got a you had a shift on 

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you. 
Definitely you were because 

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obviously, yeah, I was there 
supporting like you, you got, 

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you got into a rhythm. 
You just kept going. 

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There was very minimal breaks. 
Like what was the most 

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challenging part? 
Was it the terrain or because it

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did get there was some dodgy 
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actually on that mountain or was
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the, the awkwardness of it? 
Like what? 

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What was the most difficult part
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On the day I was very worried 
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it was so early and the time of 
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I went and did a check and the 
ground was a little bit wet, but

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luckily it dried a little bit by
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So I did get a bit nervous when 
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because it goes up. 
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where it kind of does did that 
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going down. 
I was worried about slipping and

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thinking if I slip here, my 
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luckily there was no problems 
with that. 

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I think obviously the weight 
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was challenging, but it was just
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plod for the other short, 
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bits. 
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bigger strides and and that kind
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and supported by you, your 
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not like you're squatting it in 
the gym constantly. 

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So you do get to have that 
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that little bit of a rest, 
almost rest when you're walking 

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on the flatter ground. 
When I was walking on the 

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flatter ground, but a lot of it 
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So any kind of issues I had, 
thoughts I had with regards to 

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the actual shape of the weights 
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So that was all all planned to 
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So on the day it was just a case
of just getting it done. 

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Yeah, absolutely you did. 
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and I've never had this when 
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supported someone on challenge 
or when I've done one of my 

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personal challenges, it's never 
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You gave me like a 20 page 
manifesto. 

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This happens, do this. 
If this happens, do this. 

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This is what we're going to do. 
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on. 
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success of a challenge? 
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important, especially with 
something like that, when you're

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dealing with potential members 
of the public, you're dealing 

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with the environment as well, 
and obviously yourself and, and 

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your safety and safety, you 
other people as well, people who

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are supporting you, anyone who's
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That's very important. 
I think that should be the most 

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important thing you're looking 
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rather than just going, I'm 
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hell with anything else. 
That's that's your ego talk in 

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there. 
People could get hurt. 

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You could get hurt, you could 
damage the environment, you 

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could leave rubbish somewhere. 
What you can imagine if we got 

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the top of the mountain and I 
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we've got the piano down without
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We'd have been stuck there 
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Gold Mountain rescue or 
something to come and help and 

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whiskey. 
We're bringing more people in. 

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Or we could have kept it there 
and littered the mountain, which

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I, I didn't really didn't want 
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But that comes down to a 
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where I've had no planning 
whatsoever, just everything went

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wrong and I was, it was a 
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I did Pentavan with 200 lbs 
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the start I think I ran 10 miles
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something like that. 
It was it was a triple 

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challenge. 
I call. 

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It I want to know how did it all
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You the wrong equipment, the 
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So like I was knackered before I
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Hand prepped my meals. 
There's little things like that 

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like because I knew what I was 
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went into initially I started 
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lbs. 
I can't remember what it was, 10

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miles. 
I think it was did that I was 

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knackered. 
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having a proper meal, I think I 
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I because I knew I had to get 
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these other challenges. 
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there in the daytime, drove the 
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My bag was barely even packed. 
I just chucked every all these 

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dumbbells in went water bottle 
exploded, didn't have any food 

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in there. 
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I think I just had what I was 
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top and a pair of trousers. 
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freezing really cold, even 
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time of year. 
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the way up and then having to 
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stop for a couple of minutes and
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And it can affect your 
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safety as well. 
But so that look, I've got to 

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keep going again now. 
So I wasn't getting the rest I 

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needed coming back back down. 
Then was was was hard work as 

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well. 
And then I got straight home and

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instead of having food, I think,
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then I started cracking on with 
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yeah, in a, in a bad way. 1000 
pull ups Like where did this 

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challenge come from? 
It came back to when I was on 

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YouTube and I started doing 
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challenges usually like military
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a mountain carrying 50 lbs or 
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was. 
And I used to put posts up 

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saying, oh, what shall I do 
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And I, and I would put like a 
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So I'd put like one or two or 
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then say, what do you want to 
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And then the viewers would vote 
and then I'd go with the winner.

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And then somebody just said in 
the comments, his name was the 

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kettle bells. 
What do 345678 or something like

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that. 
I remember it. 

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He, he, he said, do all three of
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And I was like, you were 
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yeah, laughed it off. 
And I went in the shower when I 

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was in the shower then and I 
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let's do it. 
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after or something, or maybe a 
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next day off. 
I, I went and did that, that 

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challenge. 
What was quite funny, I just 

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started a new job as well as a 
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supervisor in a gym. 
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starting in this new job, I'd 
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back, I was really sore, really 
stiff when everyone was looking 

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at me thinking, who's this new 
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Like you don't even flip me 
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Walking around like Steptoe, 
that old man, like I. 

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Knew me that nobody knew what 
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whatever. 
I just saw this guy who just 

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really saw. 
I can't move. 

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Was that your first big one? 
My. 

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First ever marathon. 
That was only ever marathon from

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the car. 
Yeah, that was my first big one,

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should we say. 
That was the first one where I 

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had external support, I had 
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money for charity. 
The other one I mentioned, the 

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triple challenge, I did raise 
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actually, but it was very low 
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Nobody really interested in it. 
Nobody supported me or anything 

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during that. 
But then the Car 1, I had people

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helping me. 
We managed to hire a track. 

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Well, they kindly lent us the 
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great. 
And I just had a 24 hours to 

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complete it. 
And yeah, it was an amazing day 

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that was, to be fair, that was a
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How hard was it? 
It was. 

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It had hard. 
Moments it it pulling a car, it 

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just depends entirely on one, 
the terrain and two, who's 

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steering it because if they're 
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you and they're going off the 
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trying to pull out the car in a 
different direction, You just 

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want to make sure you line up 
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Wheels are following you. 
But if there's a tiny deviation 

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from it, you're trying to pull 
the car that way because the car

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just can only go wherever the 
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So that makes a huge difference.
Like I had people behind me in 

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the car and they were swapping 
over and changing and you some 

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of them were clearly better than
than others, able to keep the 

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steel in the right place, 
particularly when it got dark 

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because they couldn't really see
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So they're trying to follow 
where I'm going, but they can't 

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see me. 
So that's one major challenge. 

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With little things like that, we
put strain on the body and turns

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and bends and up hills. 
It's depending on the gradient 

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of the train. 
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To be fair, it's quite easy to 
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When you start pulling on 
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then it becomes a lot more 
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And and this lead onto then the 
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Oh yeah, horrible truck. 
That's it. 

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Would you say this? 
Was the hardest one, Yeah, that 

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was just something else. 
So yeah. 

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Explain what the the challenge 
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So there was a track in England.
It's just one like straight. 

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I think it's 2 kilometre at the 
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I don't think it's like 2 
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Just pull it for that, pull the 
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There's all the airfield, 
there's a pull it for the 

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distance of that. 
It's perfectly flat. 

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Well, there's a slight dip in 
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Yeah, but when you pull in the 
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is a slight inclined if there 
like you might be able to see it

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difficult in the second-half 
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little bit. 
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different. 
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me the different type of tarmac 
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type of tarmac. 
It's got like 10 times more grip

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than that bit has. 
So it it was I think they they 

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changed all like motorways got 
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standard roads and stuff. 
Like it was a standard in what 

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they do or not an expert on it, 
but this is what the guy was 

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telling me. 
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difference when you change to 
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with in terms of your traction. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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So when you if to look at this 
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a flat straight. 
Yeah. 

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When you pull in the truck, you 
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detail, whether it's the grip, 
whether it's the incline, how 

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heavy was this truck? 
I, I don't actually know it, it 

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was in a gross weight of 18 
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fully laden. 
I don't think it's fully laden. 

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So I, I don't know. 
I can't, I don't really estimate

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how heavy it was. 
I don't think it was fully 

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laden. 
So I'm not going to say around I

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was doing 18 tonnes. 
That's what they're doing in 

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like World's Strongest Man. 
So like, it definitely wasn't 

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that, but it was, it was hard to
fall. 

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It was, it was very taxing on on
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anything. 
That was where I felt I 

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struggled afterwards was my 
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but like it was weeks and weeks 
and weeks of recovery after that

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where I I struggled to walk, 
knocked on, muscles were sore, 

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but just my body was just so 
fatigued. 

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Just completely depleted of 
energy and like you gave, must 

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have given it all. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So, yeah. 
So like, you know, I was, yeah. 

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I just think I just put so much 
strain on my heart and my energy

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systems, my central nervous 
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I'll just be out of breath. 
The thing I found was beneficial

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was going in a pool and just 
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And there was such a 
rejuvenating experience doing 

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that because the hydrostatic 
pressure of the water makes it 

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easier on, on your, on your 
heart and your, your body and 

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your circulation, circulation 
system. 

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Jesus, so you put your bloody 
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this. 
How? 

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How was it different then to the
the carpool? 

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Because the carpool is is it's 
relatively easy. 

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So it's it's almost like going 
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that. 
It's in terms of how how 

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difficult it is apart from the 
hills and things like that, in 

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which case you haven't really 
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Whereas with the track it was 
just constantly Max effort, 

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constantly Max effort all the 
time. 

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So even with the car, you can 
kind of coast a little bit 

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almost and you still point, you 
still got a resistance, but 

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you're not constantly trying to 
have to do a Max effort every 

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step. 
Whereas with the truck you Max 

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effort every step and. 
When you say Max effort, like, 

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what does that look like? 
What you? 

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Is that because you're trying to
get it off the ground? 

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If you don't, it'll just stop. 
That's the simple it'll just 

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stop behind you. 
It'll just, you can't. 

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And then you can't keep pulling,
which because you've used up 

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your energies trying to get him 
moving, your body just can't. 

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Obviously once it gets moving 
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that momentum behind it. 
Not like the car, the car's got 

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a lot more momentum behind it 
because the speeds you're 

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pulling it and the weight of it 
and the friction and all that as

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well. 
But you've constantly got to 

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make sure you're pushing 100% 
effort. 

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So it's purely, you know, you 
really give it everything. 

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It's almost like a one Rep Max 
every single time your leg. 

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I'm just trying to keep keep 
pushing, pushing, pushing, 

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pushing. 
Yeah. 

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So when you're doing this jog, 
you're effectively you're in the

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anaerobic, you're you're putting
everything in. 

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It's like a a constant Sprint 
session, whereas the car pulls 

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more of a a jog as as you said. 
Yeah, I guess. 

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But that's why we did it. 
We did it in very short stages. 

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So it was a poll followed by a 
long rest, followed by a poll 

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for by a long rest. 
So it wasn't continuous like the

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car. 
With the car we kept going for 

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period, long periods of time. 
But to the truck pole, it was 

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seconds, probably maybe 30 
seconds. 

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I, I don't know before we'd have
to stop and take a break. 

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Well, you mentioned the strain 
on your heart. 

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How, how like what were you 
feeling in that in that time? 

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Then how did you know? 
Like what? 

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What were you feeling at? 
This point, well, what I thought

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I was going to have a heart 
attack because I had to, I had 

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to sit down. 
I was being sick and everything 

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and I was sweating and it was, 
it wasn't good. 

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Yeah, once I threw up, I was 
fine actually, but it was maybe 

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in the breakfast repeating on 
me, I don't know, but I had to 

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go to the flipping hedge and 
just screw it up. 

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They didn't catch it on camera 
wishing they filmed it. 

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I was like, get the camera out. 
He's going to be filming this 

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thing. 
Like I don't. 

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It's also Bosies. 
People only ever film or like I 

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seen Someone Like You can film 
me. 

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They only ever film the good 
bits and they film the bits of 

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successes and then when you 
start being sick in a corner, 

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they don't know. 
We don't People see that, but 

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you want people to see it 
because that's what happens in 

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in these things. 
Not that I recommend people do 

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stuff like that, but you want 
people to see that it is hard, 

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it is taxing and and this is 
what you're going through. 

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Pull the camera. 
So I've got you there with the 

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camera. 
Film it. 

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I don't want it in the the thing
afterwards. 

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I'll edit it out. 
So we just, we just want you 

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want to get that footage. 
But yeah, it was. 

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Yeah, it was just hard. 
I think most people when they 

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get to the point where they 
think they're having a heart 

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attack, Max, they would probably
consider finishing. 

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Did that have a like call it 
quits? 

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Did that cross your mind and. 
Hindsight probably should have 

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done. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I think you learn from every 
single, I've learned from every 

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single challenge I've done. 
And I think I learned from that 

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one. 
Like I think that was a bit too 

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bit too much. 
And I think we were as being 

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there obviously different. 
I've got a kid and that so it's 

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it's back then we didn't have a 
kid. 

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So I think things things are 
probably just changing. 

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But back then you already wanted
to do it. 

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I was really focused on it, but 
I just kind of sat down on the 

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floor, just let my body recover.
And then when I'd be sick, when 

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I sat, sat back down the floor 
again and I felt all right then.

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Yeah, it's sort of, I suppose it
just gets it out of here, like 

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maybe you hit a peak and then it
sort of plateaus and then dips 

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and you just get through that. 
Yeah. 

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And then I think you just find 
ways as well. 

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Your body finds ways to just 
kind of just crack on and find 

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the most efficient way of doing 
things and, and efficient 

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systems and and things like 
that. 

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So yeah, once that was over, it 
was didn't feel too bad. 

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So how is because I suppose 
you'd you'd bracket these types 

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of challenges as strength 
endurance, right? 

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Yeah. 
What do you call it? 

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Call it that. 
So how would strength endurance 

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be different to just being fit 
and strong? 

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But being fit and strong is is 
why I say Trent and Jersey, if 

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you're fit, you should be have 
endurance as well. 

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But I think it's different to 
say powerlifting or or things 

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like that where you focus on the
one Rep, one repetition of a, 

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you know, in a specific way. 
Whereas with the strength 

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endurance type stuff, you're 
doing heavy things, heavy ish 

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things we say, for longer 
periods of time. 

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Whereas, you know, strength 
sports generally is heavy things

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for very short periods of time. 
Yeah. 

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And how do you train? 
How, how do you train for these 

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things then like what, what did 
your training look like? 

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So with. 
With all that I was, I was just 

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trying to focus on replicating 
it as best I could and just 

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practicing that movement. 
So. 

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So with the carpool for 
instance, I was didn't give 

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myself much time to train for 
the carpool, but if I trained 

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now, I wanted to do it now, I'd 
obviously give myself a lot more

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time to do it. 
I think I trained for like 2 

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weeks or something, but I had a 
base fitness anyway. 

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But for those two weeks, all I 
was doing was pulling the car 

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every day. 
So is. 

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That what you're doing, you're 
going out like, yeah, yeah. 

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Two weeks, I think it was 13 
sessions, 13 days straight. 

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I just pulled the car because I 
booked the track. 

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I was trying, I was trying 
hardest to find the track when I

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had like this idea in my head 
and in my head I was thinking, 

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oh, you know, we six months down
the line I'll have it booked. 

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But I booked it. 
And then Bruntingthorpe, which 

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was the track that I booked, 
they said, Oh yeah, the only 

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thing we can do is this, you 
know, two weeks time on a 

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Saturday, I think it was, I 
could have it for the 24 hour 

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period. 
And I was like, ah, fuck, it was

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like 2 weeks time. 
I can't train for this. 

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Two weeks, just about two weeks,
then 13 days pulling the car and

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learning from, from things 
becoming more efficient. 

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And I was so much better after 
those 13 days just pulling the 

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car than I was at day one. 
You know, I could barely pull it

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in a mile on the first day 
because things weren't, you 

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know, I weren't, wasn't timing 
things efficiently. 

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The people steering it weren't 
getting efficient at either. 

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They were struggling on corners 
and bends and speed bumps and 

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things like that. 
So but it was great. 

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We went back to that same car 
park where we tried it in 

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towards the end and absolutely 
pissed it. 

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After a few training sessions, 
things that speed bumps, things 

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at the inclines in the corners, 
we nailed the technique and it 

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was just a lot easier then. 
Yeah, I suppose once you've 

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learned the the, the the 
techniques and what you're doing

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and you understand, you can go 
into it already prepared already

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to do it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So your body responds to things.
So it's just specific laws and 

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what and one of them is a 
specific adaptations to impose 

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demand. 
So it whatever your body does, 

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what you do, your body get used 
to it. 

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So if you get used, if you're 
doing a lot of rucking, you're 

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going to go to rucking. 
If you do a lot of weight 

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lifting, you're going to get 
good at weight lifting, you're 

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going to get good at running, 
you're going to get good at 

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running. 
And it depends on different what

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type of zones you're in. 
So for example, if you're doing 

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slow run in, you'll get good at 
slow run in. 

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If you do sprints all the time, 
you'll get getting better 

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sprints, but not necessarily 
better at other things which 

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aren't in in what you're 
training. 

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So it is exactly the same as 
that when you break it down. 

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It is just practicing what you 
want to do and just practicing 

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it. 
So how do you train normally 

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then? 
Like so outside of challenges? 

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So I assume when you're doing a 
challenge, you go all in, right?

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You've got to focus on this 
challenge. 

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So you're, you're, you're 
preparing your body for that 

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specific challenge without the 
challenges. 

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What does your training look 
like day-to-day? 

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I know everyone here hates 
adverts, but this one actually 

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Now let's get back to the 

459
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episode. 
Training changes all the time 

460
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,000
now, but back then when we look 
at the challenges was mainly 

461
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,280
weight training with a 
bodybuilding type style of 

462
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,880
training. 
No, it's not the best thing to 

463
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,920
do if you're doing endurance 
training and things like that. 

464
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,240
But I still do things like 
farmers walks and sled pushes, 

465
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,160
sled poles and things like that.
So it's more of a kind of hybrid

466
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,560
approach to to bodybuilding than
just strict, you know, isolation

467
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,280
machines and things like that. 
I did that as well, but mainly 

468
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,040
because I like that I like the 
physique, like the size and the 

469
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,000
strength, but also as well it 
was easy to kind of move off and

470
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,040
do other things using that as a 
base and then go back to that if

471
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,880
I wanted to. 
Now I'm trying to be a little 

472
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,360
bit more athletic with how I'm 
training and trying to focus on 

473
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,800
different qualities, speed, 
explosiveness and things like 

474
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,960
that. 
So I only do 2 strength training

475
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,560
sessions a week. 
That's weight training, 1 upper 

476
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,120
body, 1 lower body. 
Do you try and focus on the 

477
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:41,840
compound movements? 
Movements when I'm moving my 

478
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,200
body, pushing things, pulling 
things, stuff like that and 

479
00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480
different planes of movement 
rather than just up and down to 

480
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,760
lateral movement as well. 
And then I'll do sprints, 

481
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,040
plyometrics, jumps, zone 2 
rucking. 

482
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,280
So I'll put the weight your vest
on and keep keep the steadiest 

483
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,600
pace, make sure I'm nasal 
breathing. 

484
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,920
So I'm not using the rooking as 
the kind of main event like I 

485
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,240
used to use it was, you know, 
four or five years ago, I'd be 

486
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,400
strapping 100 and you know, 100 
plus kilogram rucksack on my 

487
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,000
back and just walking up the 
biggest hill I could find. 

488
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,640
That was my training. 
That was my heavy. 

489
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:15,480
Training, whereas now I don't do
that for my heavy training. 

490
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,400
I do heavyweight training with a
with a specific Rep range, 

491
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,280
specific goals or heavy sandbag 
training. 

492
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,920
But they are separate sessions. 
So the sandbag training will be 

493
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,080
different to the OR the heavy 
barrel training will be 

494
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,640
different to the heavy strength 
training. 

495
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,960
So they're kind of like a 
specialist type type of training

496
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,480
and, and then I'll, I'll try and
build it all up. 

497
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,480
So I'm training concurrent 
systems concurrently throughout 

498
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,640
the week, but also try to manage
it and do a wave system as well.

499
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,760
So I'll build it up over 3 weeks
and then have a a period of 

500
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,960
restoration then as well after 
that for super conversation 

501
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,280
where your body will you get 
your fatigued at the end of your

502
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,640
three weeks, but then your body 
will adapt or should adapt and 

503
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,280
then come back stronger then 
after the break. 

504
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,520
And how many times a week are 
you training? 

505
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,880
Probably about four times per 
week usually. 

506
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,440
Yeah. 
So it's it's not like people 

507
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,480
would assume you're probably 
doing it seven days a week, 

508
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,200
maybe with double sessions as 
well, but it's just four times a

509
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:03,880
week. 
That's enough. 

510
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,480
Well, I'm very active, so 
everything that everyone is 

511
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,280
different. 
I'm very active and a lot like 

512
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,960
on my days off, if I'm working, 
I could be lifting logs. 

513
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,640
I could be, you see me hitting 
the logs on the sledge with the 

514
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,400
yaks. 
Yeah, I'm doing a lot of that. 

515
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,680
Sometimes I do a lot of moving 
trees, cutting down trees and 

516
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,800
stuff like that or moving things
round. 

517
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,040
That is not draining. 
That is just day-to-day stuff. 

518
00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:26,080
Sometimes make it look when I'm 
draining, but it's not draining,

519
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,040
but also as well my, my job's 
quite active as well. 

520
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,280
So like I'm like some days I 
might have to move beer kegs and

521
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,080
things like that, beer barrels, 
boxes and stuff like that. 

522
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,120
So I've got to add it all in. 
And then also I've got a little 

523
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,800
kid as well, so I'm running 
around after him as well, 

524
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,920
carrying him and stuff like 
that. 

525
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,560
So it's, I'm not just on my days
off sitting down in a, in a 

526
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,280
chair doing, you know, office 
work or things like that. 

527
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,080
So that if I was doing that, I'd
have to do more. 

528
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,200
I'd have to do walks in the, in 
the morning or evening or zone 

529
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,440
two more, but walking up with 
zone 2 cardio or more strength 

530
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,920
training or something or more 
mobility. 

531
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,240
So it's it's four days a week of
that, but then I'm doing other 

532
00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,760
stuff. 
So I've got to contribute it all

533
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,400
together in terms of stress on 
the body. 

534
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880
So I look at everything, I try 
and look at everything and try 

535
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,280
and think of everything as 
stresses, external stresses that

536
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,880
can affect the body and the 
central nervous system. 

537
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,960
Because at the end of the day, 
doing too much or just you know,

538
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,640
you're not going to your body's 
knackered, your central nervous 

539
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,520
system is not recovering, then 
you're not going to get any 

540
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:17,520
better. 
You're just going to end up ill.

541
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,120
You're just going to dig 
yourself in a hole in the ground

542
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,920
basically. 
And it's you're not going to be 

543
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,080
any fitter or stronger, whereas 
if you want to be more, have 

544
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,480
more speed, more power and 
explosiveness, you cannot do 

545
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,040
that if your central nervous 
system is fatigued. 

546
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,600
I find that, yeah, if I do a 
Sprint session on a Friday, when

547
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,760
I'm going into my Zone 2 run on 
the the Saturday, I'm dead. 

548
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,680
Like just because it's because 
the Sprint session is hard, 

549
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,160
right? 
It it taxes your body. 

550
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,680
And I suppose that's what you're
saying, if you're doing these 

551
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,720
explosive power movements, it's,
it's going to take a lot out of 

552
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,720
you, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

553
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,960
And but doing the zone 2 
afterwards would be good. 

554
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,080
It is good to do afterwards 
because that would help your 

555
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,400
body recover and help flush out 
all the all the toxins and crap 

556
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,560
and actually help you recover 
even though it is challenging. 

557
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,960
If if you were doing, you know, 
heavyweights the next day, that 

558
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,240
would be a stupid programming. 
But because you're doing the 

559
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,800
zone 2 after the the intensity 
that is sensible programming. 

560
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,160
I. 
Suppose it's like an active 

561
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,800
rest, then I guess yeah. 
Yeah, as long as you're not 

562
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,000
going above Zone 2, as long as 
you're staying in a strict zone 

563
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,240
2:00, then that's intelligent 
programming. 

564
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,680
What's your what's your aim 
things then with all this 

565
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,080
training? 
What, what are you trying to 

566
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,880
build? 
What's, what sort of how is 

567
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,960
your, what's your philosophy on 
fitness now is are you trying to

568
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,920
stay well-rounded for all 
disciplines or you know what, 

569
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,600
what are you trying to achieve 
with how you program your 

570
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,360
training? 
Just be well-rounded really. 

571
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,040
There's areas I've neglected 
over the years, things like 

572
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560
explosiveness, speed and 
endurance as well, I suppose 

573
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,280
actually, but that's endurance. 
Probably the lowest in my kind 

574
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,200
of order at the moment, actually
say that. 

575
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,000
But at the moment where I am in 
my training, because I try and 

576
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,200
look at it as a kind of annual 
kind of thing, I'm in a kind of 

577
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,600
low. 
I'm doing a lot more Zone 2 

578
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,400
stuff now as recovery. 
I'm not doing much 

579
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,160
explosiveness. 
I'm not doing much strength work

580
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,360
because I'm in a restoration 
period at the moment, which will

581
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,600
last a few weeks. 
So actually at the moment now I 

582
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,520
am doing a lot more endurance 
and just don't do gentle stuff 

583
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,040
to try and recover. 
But as the programme as a whole,

584
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,600
my main goals aren't to be 
aren't to have endurance, 

585
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,240
endurance and zone 2 I'm doing 
is to help build a base to then 

586
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,960
help build all the other 
athletic qualities on top of 

587
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,760
that. 
So the idea is then I'm going to

588
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,640
be able to recover better from 
doing more explosive movements, 

589
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,120
as, you know, the year 
progresses. 

590
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,960
You're a former military man, 
yeah, as well. 

591
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,920
So, you know, I mean, you've 
probably heard of the term 

592
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,920
hybrid athlete, right? 
Yeah, yeah, military's probably 

593
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,040
like the original hybrid 
athlete, right? 

594
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,640
They, they, they train across 
multiple disciplines. 

595
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,480
Yeah. 
Because you've got your power 

596
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,600
movements where they're getting 
you doing your squats and your 

597
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,280
bench presses and your pull ups.
You'll have to correct me if I'm

598
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,720
getting this wrong as well, But 
then you've got sort of circuit 

599
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,960
based training as well. 
So you're getting sort of your, 

600
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,240
your, your strength and fitness 
up as well. 

601
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:51,160
And and then there's your 
sprints and endurance running. 

602
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,800
It's like it. 
They're ticking all boxes. 

603
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,560
They're creating this complete 
athlete. 

604
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's, 
there's more. 

605
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,280
So on the endurance spec when 
you start getting towards power 

606
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,680
explosiveness things, there's a 
little bit of that, but it's 

607
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,160
it's not so much a lot of it is,
is the endurance. 

608
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,240
But when you look at what they 
do, they you've got a run around

609
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,600
camp all the time. 
You're not a walk around camp, 

610
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,120
you've got to run around. 
So you're constantly running, 

611
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,240
constantly rocking. 
So the amount of Zone 2 that's 

612
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,360
being done really all the time 
in the background is, is 

613
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,240
probably incredible. 
So the mitochondria that's being

614
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,960
built, that was probably insane.
Then the circuits themselves 

615
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,480
were intense. 
Everything had to be 100%. 

616
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,440
You know, you couldn't be 
dawdling, you couldn't be 

617
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,680
slowing down. 
You couldn't be, you know, 

618
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,600
dipping out in your face if you 
were trying to do that. 

619
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,880
So it was, you know, it was 
intense and but for a reason. 

620
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,800
Well, but the the test, because 
one of the fitness tests, one of

621
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,560
the entry fitness tests was the 
two point 4K miles for 2.4 K for

622
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:49,960
time and the times that you said
that you got down to were 

623
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,760
sickening. 
Was it like under 8 minutes? 

624
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,240
Yeah, most people, it was the 
fit people could do it in under 

625
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,920
8 minutes. 
That's not incredible. 

626
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,160
Well, that wasn't a kind of 
people didn't get it wasn't that

627
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040
test would come along and people
will be like it's fun. 

628
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,360
We could do the test and back on
you this level we were at, it 

629
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,960
was just a it was a walk in the 
park almost. 

630
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,440
It was a laugh. 
It'd be a competition. 

631
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,560
You'd race the person next to 
you and you just you just get 

632
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,080
again. 
You wouldn't even care about 

633
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,520
your times really. 
Yeah, but that's like, because I

634
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,920
think my like to put it into 
perspective, I think if I went 

635
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,680
out and did it now, I'd probably
get somewhere between 10 1/2 to 

636
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,520
11 minutes. 
So and to get it down to 8 

637
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,320
minutes is incredible. 
How do they train you for that? 

638
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Like how, how, how do you, how 
do you train to get a time like 

639
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,080
that? 
Well, you want to look at the 

640
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,600
military is they're training for
soldiers, they're training for 

641
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,160
combat really. 
And they, and those tests are 

642
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,600
just a test that they are of a 
certain standard. 

643
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,800
So the training they're doing is
not necessarily look, we're 

644
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,920
training for this 2 1/2 mile, 
2.4 kilometre test. 

645
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,080
We're training for you to be 
soldiers. 

646
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,440
And the way we check if your 
cardio fat is going to fitness 

647
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,400
is we'll get you to do a bleep 
test. 

648
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,720
We'll get you to do this, this 
test. 

649
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,400
So you're never thinking, oh, 
I've got to do this 1.5 mile run

650
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,560
test. 
You could probably develop a 

651
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,640
training program specifically 
for that 1.5 mile test which 

652
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,880
would actually get you back 
other than what the Marines are 

653
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,080
doing. 
But with the Marines they also 

654
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,280
need, you've got to be able to 
do pull ups. 

655
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,240
You've also got to be able to 
Seps. 

656
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,920
You've also got to be able to 
ruck with with weight as well. 

657
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,480
You've also got to be able to do
your job at the end of it, which

658
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,720
was the very big thing was that 
during your training sessions, 

659
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000
you run speed marches, which is 
often done with weight. 

660
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,640
You'd often get to the end of 
that. 

661
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760
And then they'd also have you 
doing finance carries, they'd 

662
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,120
have you doing battle drills, 
combat drills, because they 

663
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,760
would say, well, when you get to
the end point of this, this run,

664
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,360
you're not, you know, that's 
what you've got to do your job. 

665
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,200
So you'll start your job starts 
then when your fitness test 

666
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,800
finishes. 
So you've always got to have 

667
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,360
that bit in reserve. 
So is is that kind of ability to

668
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,080
always, always be pushing you? 
You never get in that rest, so 

669
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,720
when you do your run you've 
always got to be up before them 

670
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,640
afterwards. 
Right. 

671
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,480
So what, what about that 
training? 

672
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,080
What is it about that training 
that enables you to so you're 

673
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,440
not focusing on the 1 1/2 mile 
of time in the training, but 

674
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,160
what is it about the training 
that enables you to get fit 

675
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,480
enough to put those times in 
when you get there? 

676
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000
But if you look at it on a basic
level, to get good at 1.5 mile 

677
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,280
tests, you need to have good, a 
good aerobic, aerobic base, But 

678
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,880
it's not quite a slow jog. 
It's a fast pace, isn't it? 

679
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,560
So you'll be looking at doing 
things like tempo runs and 

680
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,960
things like that. 
You're running at a very fast 

681
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,920
pace where you can just, you 
know, you breathe in heavily, 

682
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,800
but you're pushing yourself. 
So if you look at how the 

683
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,240
military will train you, so like
I said before, you've doing a 

684
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,680
lot of running around the camp 
all the time. 

685
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,200
You're always running around the
camp. 

686
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,120
So you're constantly running 
around the camp, you're 

687
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,600
constantly doing rocking with 
yon pin, as we called it, with a

688
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,280
burgund on. 
So that's, you know, zone 2 is 

689
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,640
kind of cardio all that type was
and you're doing just to get 

690
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,880
scheduled runs in the lanes and 
things like that. 

691
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Five mile runs, Six Mile runs or
whatever through the lanes two 

692
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,680
or three times per week or maybe
twice per week. 

693
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Once or twice per week, Sorry, 
not two or three times a week. 

694
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,400
Don't do it that much. 
So you've got a massive aerobic 

695
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040
base there, but if you think 
about it before that, before you

696
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000
even went into the military, 
you've had to have built up that

697
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,400
anyway. 
So you're already at high 

698
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,520
standard fit before you get 
there. 

699
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,480
So they just build on that, that
zone 2 aerobic base. 

700
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,560
They build a ball of 
mitochondria. 

701
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,840
They build up your heart, the 
stroke volume of your heart and 

702
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160
your efficiency of your heart 
and your lungs to use that. 

703
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,800
But then of course, while you do
circuits, high intensity 

704
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,560
circuits, you're doing your 
rocking, your weight, did your 

705
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,520
runs, bottom field tests and 
things like that. 

706
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,840
So all of these type of things 
which involve sprints, they 

707
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,000
involve finals carries, they 
involve high, not just short 

708
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,520
sprints, but you're doing 800 
metre, 1 kilometre sprints as 

709
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,360
well, repeatedly repeated 
sprints. 

710
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,000
So all that builds up to a a 
body that is able to to get 

711
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,840
those times. 
Yeah. 

712
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,200
So it's it's almost like a 
mixture then, isn't it? 

713
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
It's you're hitting all like 
like these hybrid athletes, like

714
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,280
like everything. 
You're hitting all these bases, 

715
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,520
which creates this body that is 
able to perform under under 

716
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,440
intense tests like that. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

717
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Is it is different tangent now 
what's the biggest load of 

718
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,160
nonsense you see in fitness 
right now There's. 

719
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,880
A lot of it. 
I'm sure, yeah, because you 

720
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,600
mentioned a few inside before we
came on. 

721
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,920
I was just I was wondering what 
like what are people getting 

722
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,640
wrong? 
What, what? 

723
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,280
What are people seeing online 
that is just it's it's a load of

724
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,360
nonsense. 
One of the things I see a lot of

725
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,520
online these days is personal 
trainers, influencers telling me

726
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360
what my goals are. 
That really pisses me off. 

727
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,160
And I know I probably just 
contracted myself there because 

728
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,080
I just said I'm watching these 
other people in the gym, but 

729
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,840
they're saying, oh, you're not 
losing weight because of this, 

730
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,520
your testosterone is low because
of this, you're all this stuff. 

731
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,640
And it's really pissing me off. 
That testosterone, that TRT 

732
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,480
thing, you encouraging people 
that go on takes testosterone 

733
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,720
injections and things like that.
I just, that's all I need to get

734
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,040
at the moment. 
Your testosterone's low. 

735
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,320
You've got to go and take these 
injections. 

736
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,360
How would you know my 
testosterone's low? 

737
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Have you done the test? 
You, you don't even know me yet.

738
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Like, I'm not even interested in
anything like that. 

739
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,240
I, I'm perfectly healthy. 
I don't think my TRT, my 

740
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200
testosterone's low. 
But I every day I get these 

741
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,560
these things popping up my feet 
telling me it's low and telling 

742
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,680
me all I need to do is go and 
get these injections for the 

743
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,280
rest of my life. 
Where does this come from? 

744
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Because I've reached a certain 
age and the algorithm's pushing 

745
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:50,960
all this crap. 
Yeah. 

746
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,840
And then I wonder then how many 
people are actually going ahead 

747
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,080
and doing that and they're 
looking after their diets 

748
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,880
beforehand, they're looking 
after their sleep beforehand, or

749
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,760
they just go straight to these 
doctors and then tell them 

750
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,160
you've got low tests, here's a 
job. 

751
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Max, I'll tell you exactly why 
they do it, as you said, because

752
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,920
once you go on the TRT, it is 
for life. 

753
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,280
It is for life. 
And as a business, if you're 

754
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,440
making £100 a month on average 
of selling someone testosterone 

755
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,080
and you lock them in for life, 
that one person is going to work

756
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,880
is going to be worth to your 
company 10s of thousands of 

757
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,000
pounds as a lifetime value. 
That is. 

758
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,640
That's exactly why they're 
trying to get people on it. 

759
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:32,800
It is a massive subscription 
based marketing initiative. 

760
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,160
But with people's health though,
and it's. 

761
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,120
And it's people's health because
this is the thing that, so I've 

762
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080
done it. 
I've done the tests because I, 

763
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,080
I've seen the ads and I was 
like, oh, right. 

764
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Oh, yeah, maybe my test is low. 
Oh, I wouldn't mind a bit of 

765
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,080
test because, you know, maybe 
I'll get a bit of definition as 

766
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,800
well, like, and I don't have to 
do anything like, you know, you 

767
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,440
get suckered in. 
I never went through it. 

768
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400
I just did the tests and this is
what they're like, right? 

769
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,120
So I did my first Test. 
It was a finger prick, came back

770
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,240
slightly low, not low low, just 
slightly. 

771
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,000
Then they go, OK, you qualify 
for the full blood test. 

772
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,680
I went in and I did the full 
blood test. 

773
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,200
They come back and they say it's
not low, right? 

774
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,120
But because your first one was 
low. 

775
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840
So if you just do another finger
prick test and that comes back 

776
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,200
low, then you'll qualify. 
They're so eager to get you 

777
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,160
signed up on that contract 
because then as a person, you're

778
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,080
going to be worth 10s of 
thousands of pounds to that 

779
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920
company as a lifetime customer. 
And they're not. 

780
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,760
This is the thing. 
Sometimes maybe your test is 

781
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,640
low, but going on TRT is the 
last resort. 

782
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,080
There's going to be lifestyle 
choices that you could make that

783
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,800
could get you back to where you 
need to be. 

784
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,600
And of course it dips as you 
get. 

785
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Older as well. 
It dips throughout the day. 

786
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,120
It dips it. 
This is the thing because they 

787
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
said to me when I did the test, 
they were like, oh, it could 

788
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200
have just been the time of day 
or maybe you ate or something 

789
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,200
like that. 
It could have been the time of 

790
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,040
day. 
It's constantly changing 

791
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,160
throughout the time of the day. 
It's, it's in a way it is, I see

792
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,240
it's quite, quite criminal. 
But I know they're going to be 

793
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,240
helping some people, some people
may be low and maybe it's really

794
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,320
affecting how they, they're 
living their lives and maybe 

795
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,720
they have addressed everything. 
And yeah. 

796
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,600
And then you could perhaps look 
at TRT. 

797
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,680
I'm not going to dispute when 
you've gone through all that and

798
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
a medical doctor has said to 
them, here's a treatment plan or

799
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,840
whatever. 
Like I'm not going to dispute 

800
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,520
anything a doctor said and tell 
people to change their lives or 

801
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,520
whatever because that's I'm not 
qualified to do that. 

802
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,480
But I just don't like I was 
thrown in your face and like you

803
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,920
said, there's other lifestyle 
changes that could contribute 

804
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,960
towards that. 
Just having more sleep, like I 

805
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,280
read somewhere before, having 
less than six hours sleep 

806
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,640
consistently, your testosterone,
testosterone levels are going to

807
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,880
completely tank. 
So changing that up consistently

808
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360
over time. 
But if it's taken you years and 

809
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,960
years and years of doing that, 
it's not going to suddenly over 

810
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,600
one good night's sleep. 
You know, your testosterone 

811
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,320
levels are like suddenly shoot 
up through the roof, are they? 

812
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,760
It takes time. 
It's just like we're training. 

813
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,400
If you've not looked after 
yourself for 20 years and you go

814
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,120
join a gym, it's going to take a
long time to reset what's 

815
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,120
happened there for you to start 
seeing results and see the 

816
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,520
markets improve on your health. 
But it will happen, it just 

817
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,480
takes a little bit longer 
depending on how resident you've

818
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,800
been before and what state you 
are in before you begin. 

819
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,040
Yeah, absolutely. 
Just another note on, it's like,

820
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,280
so when, when you're going 
through the process of looking 

821
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,920
at the TRT treatment, they, 
they, they also, they, they 

822
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,239
don't really tell you the risks.
They do, but they don't really 

823
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,199
explain to you like how severe 
they are. 

824
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,880
Because it's once you've been on
TRT for two years, around 2 

825
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,120
years, around the two year mark,
your body stops producing TRT 

826
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,480
naturally and that's when 
they've got you for life. 

827
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,960
Within that 2, two years, you've
got a chance to come off and get

828
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,040
it, get it back, you know, kick 
start your body again. 

829
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,400
Also, the fact that your balls 
shrink, you could become 

830
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719
infertile. 
And what's this all because 

831
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,679
like, because people feel maybe 
a bit tired or a bit down and 

832
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000
they think that, you know, TRT 
is going to be sold as this like

833
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,560
this magic cure. 
It could just be that you're not

834
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560
getting enough sleep. 
But as you said, or maybe you're

835
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,240
in tradition is a bit out like, 
or or maybe you're just getting 

836
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,720
older. 
You know, it's, it's I'm glad 

837
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,560
you brought that up. 
Actually, I've never actually 

838
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,440
thought about that. 
But the TRT is, yeah, I see it 

839
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,120
as a bit, yes, it's going to 
work for some people, but I 

840
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,400
think the the large majority you
can sort of fix it yourself. 

841
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,320
Well, as you see in the 
comments, all these people, 

842
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:14,840
yeah. 
Yeah. 

843
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,000
You know, I'm interested, I'm 
interested, all this sort of 

844
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,600
thing. 
And it's just like, well, do all

845
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,920
these people really need it? 
I don't know. 

846
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,960
Course you're interested, 
especially as a matter what man 

847
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,840
I can put them on a bit of 
muscle. 

848
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,200
I can feel a bit good course 
you're going to be interested 

849
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,240
and that's what they're selling 
you is the dream and look, if 

850
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,480
people found value in it 
fantastic great. 

851
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:37,080
You know, good for you, but I I 
it I I'm not a complete believer

852
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,240
in it myself like, but I. 
I don't know. 

853
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,800
I just, I just think that a lot 
of things can be resolved from 

854
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,360
your diet and what you're doing.
And I don't think everyone has 

855
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,040
crossed every single box that 
they can that they say they 

856
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680
have. 
People's diet is never as clean 

857
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,680
as what they think. 
They're not training. 

858
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,000
If they're not sleeping, they're
not resting. 

859
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,520
You can we talk about training? 
You can do too much training and

860
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,680
I can tank it anyway. 
You can be over trained. 

861
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,400
You can be so tired because 
you're training all the time and

862
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,040
you've got other stresses 
involved in your life. 

863
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,040
You'd be working shift patterns 
and things like that. 

864
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,240
So it's I think it's a bigger 
picture. 

865
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,880
Yeah, you really got to assess 
it. 

866
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,280
I want to touch on the fact that
you applied for Gladiators. 

867
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,760
You did apply, yeah, Yeah. 
Yeah, they've really missed a 

868
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,960
trick because you would have 
been wicked on there, like. 

869
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Yeah, it was, it was something I
wanted to do as a kid. 

870
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,680
That was great. 
And then it popped up again in 

871
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,720
2000 and 8:00-ish. 
I remember I was in the Marines 

872
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,400
at the time and it was actually 
a Marine on there from our 

873
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,400
units. 
He was actually on there. 

874
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,760
So I thought I missed, I missed 
that. 

875
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,480
And he would have been good to 
look at something like that. 

876
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,480
But then when it came about 
again, I thought, oh, do you 

877
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,440
know what? 
I'll apply for that or whatever,

878
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,080
which is good, you know, help me
with my, with the training I was

879
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,120
doing. 
Like I said earlier, I'm trying 

880
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,280
to be a bit more complete, a bit
more rounded, a bit more 

881
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,160
athletics. 
You say, I'll go hand in hand 

882
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,880
with with with something like 
that, some kind of show like 

883
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,520
that. 
But alas. 

884
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,720
So I had a death in the family. 
They they did, they did phone me

885
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,480
up after I'd applied and said, 
you want to come along to these 

886
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,000
tryouts. 
And but the last it was the Dana

887
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,440
might. 
I had a funeral to attend. 

888
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,520
And so I said, like, I've got to
go to that funeral, and I didn't

889
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,880
miss that. 
Yeah, a life primary. 

890
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,680
You you can't, you couldn't not 
miss that. 

891
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,880
But like I remember your promo 
videos. 

892
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,120
They were. 
They were awesome. 

893
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,880
Yeah, they were awesome. 
People need to go and check them

894
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,120
out, but I'm interested. 
So if you were a gladiator, what

895
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,080
would your name have been? 
I, I, I, I was talking to the 

896
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,400
misses about this, I think. 
Do we have a look? 

897
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,400
It was a gladiator or a 
contender, I don't know. 

898
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,000
But if you were a gladiator, you
they must you must have thought 

899
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,960
of a name or something. 
Oh no, I don't know. 

900
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,960
That's what mood I'm in, Really.
You think about your names. 

901
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,880
Can't believe like that. 
I mean the juggernaut. 

902
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,720
Juggernaut, one of that wouldn't
make sense. 

903
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,160
A lot of guys bigger than me 
doing it, so I think. 

904
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Yeah, but they ain't pulling 
juggernaut trucks like you know,

905
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,640
you, you've got that, You've got
that or the the grit, something 

906
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,360
like that. 
Yeah, or the gritter. 

907
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,320
Because it wasn't that the 
trucks that you pulled. 

908
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,960
I think it. 
Was a gritter or something like 

909
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,960
that one, yeah. 
The gritter. 

910
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,760
There we are, Max. 
I mean, would you go on as a 

911
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,280
contestant? 
You could still do that now, 

912
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,200
right At some point. 
Yeah, I think, I think they've 

913
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,640
closed it for this for next 
year. 

914
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640
The applications, I did see 
them, they were advertising 

915
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,320
again. 
Maybe, maybe in the future, 

916
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,960
we'll see what happens since he 
was around the corner. 

917
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,320
With the Speaking of the future,
what's next for Max? 

918
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,320
Like what's coming up? 
If you've got anything, anything

919
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,200
planned, are you taking it 
easier as a concentrate on 

920
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:24,680
family? 
What? 

921
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,960
What is next for Max? 
I think it's just family at the 

922
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,240
moment. 
Focus on family, keep yourself 

923
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,840
from a decent standard of 
fitness. 

924
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,760
Make sure I'm capable, 
physically capable doing things 

925
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,560
rather than just being 
one-dimensional like I said in 

926
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,280
the past, fit across all areas, 
be able to keep up with all my 

927
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,920
own in any kind of in any arena,
any kind of different type of 

928
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,320
fitness discipline. 
And then obviously when my my 

929
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:53,600
kid has a sports day, 100 dad, 
100 dad, 100m race, make sure 

930
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,320
I'm ready for that. 
Day so this whole hour 

931
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,760
conversation we've been talking 
about it. 

932
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,120
It's all for that race, right? 
I wouldn't. 

933
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:00,920
Want to? 
I wouldn't want to let myself 

934
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,440
down. 
Will we see a comeback to the 

935
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,920
challenges, do you think? 
Maybe. 

936
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,160
Maybe I have ideas. 
I've got a couple of things in 

937
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,120
mind maybe, but it's not, it's 
not a priority at the moment. 

938
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,120
Not a priority, no. 
Nice. 

939
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040
My training is a very fine line 
at the moment with everything 

940
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,360
I'm doing. 
We'll look at everything across 

941
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,520
the board for me to be able to 
train and achieve what I want to

942
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,440
achieve through my training, to 
add something into the mix 

943
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,520
that's different to that. 
I could derail things at the 

944
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,840
moment. 
Like I'm really trying to think 

945
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960
of everything. 
I've got everything locked down 

946
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,480
in the book when I'm doing 
everything, but maybe I've got 

947
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,760
an idea there's something I 
might do, but I don't know if I 

948
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,080
will do it. 
Any clues? 

949
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,200
I'm starting to enjoy this on 
object lifting type stuff at the

950
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,600
moment, so I'm just playing 
around with that. 

951
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,880
So we'd probably involve 
something carrying something 

952
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,640
right? 
But not on a strap. 

953
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,640
You know, I'd like to, I'd like 
to carry things now in my arms 

954
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,000
or over the shoulder, things 
like that. 

955
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,480
So I think this adds a different
element to it. 

956
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,680
I look forward to it like I look
forward to it. 

957
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,120
Let's let's plug your books, 
which ones which give it a 

958
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,160
little explanation and show them
to the camera. 

959
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,360
There's the camera there, right?
OK, so let's see Commando runner

960
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,000
there. 
And the whole point about this 

961
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,960
book is we've talked about the 
2.4 kilometre test actually it's

962
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,320
basically to get the better at 
running from to complete those 

963
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,720
sort of tests. 
Not an extreme endurance, but 

964
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,000
not like ultra marathons, things
like that. 

965
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,240
I think it could quite benefit 
somebody who was interested in 

966
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:23,200
doing that. 
They don't have a base or 

967
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,920
whatever, but it is a base on 
how to get fit, get stronger and

968
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,320
better a run and get your 
cardiovascular up for that one. 

969
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,720
Because it's not just for the 
military, for military people, 

970
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,280
is it? 
Like I tell you, who'd really 

971
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,240
benefit from something like 
that? 

972
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:36,280
Is High Rock people now? 
Yeah, They. 

973
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Probably would actually. 
It's high rock. 

974
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,720
It's a lot of a lot of running, 
isn't it? 

975
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,200
And that has got the, the 
strength exercise as well as a 

976
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,160
military theme in terms of how 
we're doing it and how we're 

977
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,720
going through it. 
But it's, even though it's 

978
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,840
called Commando run it, it's 
based on stuff I did in the 

979
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Marines with the running I did 
and the training I did in the 

980
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,520
Marines and what I learnt from 
that and obviously subsequently 

981
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520
as well. 
So that is very much a kind of 

982
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,080
endurance running, running focus
book. 

983
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,960
And then we've got this one 
here, which is challenge what 

984
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,640
you think, believe what is 
possible. 

985
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,840
And this is just collection of 
short stories regarding all the 

986
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,640
challenges I've done over the 
years. 

987
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,720
There's a few military stories 
in there, this talking about all

988
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,360
the piano challenge, talked 
about the 100 kilometers 

989
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,480
carrying 100 kilograms 
challenge, the piano challenge, 

990
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
the carp marathon. 
That's all in there. 

991
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,280
Build up to it while I did it, 
anything that happened along the

992
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,160
way and also some practical tips
on how to overcome challenges 

993
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,720
and things. 
Again, not not just not just 

994
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,880
physical challenges, but also 
mental challenges and 

995
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,520
difficulties that that happen 
along the way as well. 

996
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,120
Just through some short stories.
I love it. 

997
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,080
And where can people follow you?
I'm on YouTube, Muscle World, 

998
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,080
Instagram as Muscle World as 
well and those books can be 

999
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,360
bought on Amazon. 
Cracking Max appreciate you man.

1000
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Pleasure. 
Thanks so much for. 

1001
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,320
Having me on here, Thank you 
very much. 

1002
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,440
Thank you. 
Congratulations. 

1003
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,200
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1004
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,440
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1005
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1006
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