1 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,320 Welcome to a solo episode of the Rockman Podcast. 2 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,240 It's to celebrate the fact that we've hit 1000 subscribers 3 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,360 finally. I I know it's measly numbers 4 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,440 compared to the big people and the big dogs out there, but this 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,280 is quite a big milestone for me and Rockman and the podcast. 6 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,320 It's just proves that it is growing. 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,680 People aren't listening. I cannot believe it. 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,560 So hopefully we've got a few people that are actually going 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,480 to tune into this one as well. Believe it or not, even though 10 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:55,120 it's AQ and A with me, Terry, the founder of the Rockman 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,160 podcast, God knows if it's going to go all right or not or 12 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,800 whether you're actually going to get any value. 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,680 But I will try my best because believe it or not, Because 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,120 believe it or not, a few of you are actually listening and are 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,480 interested in the podcast and Rockman and what I've got to 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,600 say, dare I say it? So I've asked for a few 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,840 questions from listeners. I've got a nice list here. 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,040 So first and foremost, thank you for everyone that sent a 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,920 question in. I will try and answer it as best 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,680 I can and as honestly as I can, and hopefully this solo episode 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,800 will be actually something worth listening to. 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,360 Who knows, You guys will be the judge of that. 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,760 Don't forget this is obviously a Rockman podcast as well. 24 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,360 This is hosted by Rockman, which is the challenge driven training 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,560 protocol. So if you're finding your 26 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,040 training a bit boring at the moment, or if you're feeling 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,440 like you're falling off the wagon or you want to inject some 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,880 spice into your training, you can try out Rockman where we 29 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,760 sort of blend training and challenges together to keep you 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,920 motivated long term, Not just signing up for another training 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,320 plan that you download and then give up after 2 weeks. 32 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,920 By integrating challenges into your training, you not only push 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,640 yourself harder, dig deeper, go further, but you motivate 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,400 yourself long term and hopefully hitting those fitness goals. 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,320 So let's dive in straight away with the questions. 36 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,360 Dave Collins says you talk about discipline a lot. 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Be honest. Where are you actually 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,240 undisciplined? I'm probably most undisciplined 39 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,720 on all areas of fitness and life to be honest. 40 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:27,080 But I know that I'm aware of that. 41 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,920 I'm pretty much, I like to think I'm sort of like a dopamine 42 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:33,320 addict or something. I think they all call it ADHD or 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,080 something. At the moment. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,560 I'm definitely not ADHD, but I'm definitely a dopamine addict. 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,920 I'm always looking for that next hit of dopamine, wherever it is, 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,120 but that makes me weak. So whether it's to do with food 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,360 or watching Netflix or scrolling on my phone, I'm constantly 48 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,280 battling the the allure of those activities. 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,880 But how I combat that is through setting up my environment so 50 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:04,200 that I'm not. I make it harder for myself to 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,320 do the bad habits and I try to make it as easy as possible to 52 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,520 do the good. They usually involve setting up 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,720 my kit or getting my food prepped the day before, the next 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,680 day. Because if I don't have that, 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,040 that is when I'm sort of going to be leaning for the chocolate 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,640 bar, going up Greg's and buying the pasty, or not doing the 57 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:22,960 training session. I'm constantly looking for any 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,240 excuse not to do these things. So it's just about setting up my 59 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,800 environment and making it as, as I say, easy to do the good ones 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,320 and hard to do the bad ones. And I'm not perfect. 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,720 I'm always messing it up, but it does help. 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,160 But it's sort of understanding that I'm not perfect and 63 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,200 understanding that I'm undisciplined and just sort of 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,000 combating that version of Terry constantly to try and make me do 65 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,720 the tough stuff. But one of the biggest things as 66 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,160 well, which which is what we try to do with Rockman, is always 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,960 having that aim and that goal because that is what keeps you 68 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,960 accountable. That is what keeps you on the 69 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,720 straight and narrow. It gives you, you've got a 70 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 purpose in your day constantly that you've got to aim for and 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,120 you've got to take off. So by having things tangible 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,840 goals that I've got to hit, I know what I've got to hit. 73 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,640 It's not getting sort of lost in the business of the day. 74 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,600 I know what that aim of the day is for. 75 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,760 So hopefully that answers the question. 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,360 There's a lot more disciplined people out there than me. 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Probably worth listening to, but that's how I do it anyway. 78 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,560 That's sort of like an Everyman. Next up, Mark Bennett. 79 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,720 I joined Rockman last year, smashed the first couple of 80 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,040 challenges, then work went mental and I drifted off. 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,040 Is Rockman actually designed for real life or only people who 82 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,000 already have their life together? 83 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,840 Rodman is probably designed for people who don't have their life 84 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:47,960 together. As I just discussed, it's easy 85 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,440 to fall off the wagon. It's so easy to fall off the 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,680 wagon, especially when you've got, say, a training program 87 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,960 that is your goal is to get fit or get stronger for the sake of 88 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:05,440 getting fit and being stronger. When there's no real aim or 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,480 motive that sort of inspires you, it is easy to drop off. 90 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,600 When you're not fulfilled, when you don't feel enjoyment, when 91 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,360 you don't see the progress, you're going to fall off the 92 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,520 wagon. But that's exactly what Rockman 93 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,520 is all about. It gives you that weekly target, 94 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,600 that weekly goal that you've got to hit, which you don't get with 95 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,120 other training programs. And by having that in your diary 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,280 with a deadline, with the urgency, it's going to give you 97 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,440 that kick up the ass to actually go out and do it. 98 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,160 But also, time is a massive thing for people. 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,880 We do a survey out every year and we ask our members what's 100 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,440 the biggest obstacles for you doing fitness and time is the 101 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,040 biggest 1. So you don't have to wait for a 102 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,320 far off event to come around. You don't have to travel up and 103 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,320 down the country to go and do these things. 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,200 You can do them in and around your everyday life, no matter 105 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,640 where you are, from the comfort of your own location. 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,360 So we make it easy. They've all been designed so you 107 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,960 can fit them in and around your pre commitments to training, to 108 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,880 life, to family, to work. You can just slot them in 109 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,160 whenever is convenient for you. So are they designed for people 110 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,840 with their lives together? Absolutely not. 111 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,320 It's designed for people that live in the real world and live 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,200 in the real, the chaos of the real world. 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:24,160 So Mark, if you dropped off, get back on them, get back on and 114 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,840 get those challenges back into your calendar and hopefully 115 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,000 you'll progress further and stick to it more long term. 116 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,520 Next question, if challenges are so powerful, why don't more 117 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,520 people stick to them once the novelty wears off? 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Are people just wired to get bored once the medals achieved 119 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,240 effectively? Yeah, that is how we're wired. 120 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,240 It's all to do with our dopamine system. 121 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:49,320 We are creatures of aim. Our whole body and biology is 122 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,360 set up for the solving of problems essentially. 123 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,320 So when you solve a problem, when you achieve your aim, there 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,360 no longer is an aim or a goal to sort of drive us forward. 125 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,160 That is exactly how we're wired up. 126 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,200 This is exactly how the dopamine system works. 127 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,960 The dopamine system exists to motivate us. 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,040 It's a survival mechanism. It motivates us to solve a 129 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,840 problem in order to survive exactly that. 130 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,320 It's the reward system. Once you do hit a target, once 131 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,680 you do hit your aim, you are going to slide off. 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,200 You are going, you know, you need something set up to follow 133 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,360 that to keep the momentum going forward. 134 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,160 I've, I've done a podcast before about dopamine and how it works. 135 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,200 And there's this thing called the goal gradient effect. 136 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,720 And it's all about sort of how we get motivated when we have a 137 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,320 goal that increases in motivation as the urgency 138 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,440 increases, as you approach that date in which you have to 139 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,520 achieve something. Once you've achieved it, there 140 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,920 is a massive drop off at the at the end. 141 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,720 That is when you get the massive drop off in motivation and you 142 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,400 can't be asked doing anything else afterwards. 143 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,680 And the trick to combat that was to always have something lined 144 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,640 up next. What's your next one? 145 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,040 What's your next one? If you're always heading towards 146 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,800 a goal with nothing to back it up afterwards, you are going to 147 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,920 see those drop offs. So ideally, before you've even 148 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,960 hit the target that you're currently aiming for, you need 149 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,120 something lined up afterwards to keep that motivation fire 150 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,960 burning so you you actually progress on to the next one. 151 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,320 That's the whole reason why Rockman is set up around 152 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,960 challenges, goal setting, That is what it's all about. 153 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,360 If you want to keep that momentum, you've always got to 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,919 have a goal. So why don't more people stick 155 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:35,640 to them once the nopty wears off or they just get bored? 156 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,080 It's exactly that. You've achieved your goal so you 157 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,120 always have something lined up in order to pursue afterwards. 158 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,000 Gary Wilkinson, you said race days are overpriced and over 159 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,600 hyped, so a marathon is basically a waste of money for 160 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,880 most normal blokes. No, I think race day events are 161 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,960 awesome. They're the best thing you can 162 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,200 do. If you can something in real 163 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,360 life to go out there and actually smash a massive goal in 164 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,320 a big event with people around you, it feels wicked, right? 165 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,720 And it's probably that is the ideal if you're going to do 166 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,760 anything that is what you want to be aiming for. 167 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,600 There's sort of big spectacular events where you can actually 168 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,360 you can feel something because you're there. 169 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,720 However, they're just not perfect. 170 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,080 They are overpriced. I think I just paid £70 to do a 171 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,840 half marathon the other day. That's a lot of money. 172 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,040 That is a lot of money to be paying for the sort of one off 173 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,640 event that all you do is just run round and you get a little 174 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,920 medal at the end. I understand they have costs to 175 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,640 cover. You've got people doing it, 176 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:47,360 people running it, you've got staff insurance, maybe there's 177 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,840 Rd. closures, you've got first aiders. 178 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,560 There's, there's a lot of things to do, you know, the aid 179 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,640 stations. So I understand that there is a 180 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,800 price, there's always going to be a cost, but that you know, 181 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,160 unless you've got loads of bloody money, it's not, it's not 182 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 something that you can continually do week after week, 183 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,000 month after month. This is why Rockman exists. 184 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,200 Again, it's affordable, it's something that you can keep 185 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,480 going week after week all year round. 186 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,200 Are marathons a waste of time? No, Sign up to a marathon. 187 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Absolutely. That is the preferred choice if 188 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,040 you can do it. But again, we've spoken about 189 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,560 people lack time, people lack money, they don't want to be 190 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,640 travelling all over the place. Rockman sort of fills that gap 191 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,080 in between these, the real in between your training and the 192 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,120 real life event that you can sign up for. 193 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,840 So I don't want to slag them off too much. 194 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,640 I just think that Rockman's more affordable and more practical 195 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,200 for sort of everyday life really. 196 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,440 And plus they only come round in bloody once in a blue moon 197 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,720 unless you have, unless you travel to somewhere local races 198 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,520 are sort of like they come around like once every six 199 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,760 months or something like that. You know, people want to push 200 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,880 themselves now. They need the motivation now, so 201 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,760 that is another reason why Rockman is better than that. 202 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,080 But if you can always do a live event, because they are, that is 203 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,560 the pinnacle, that is the best option. 204 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:16,520 But if you can't get on Rockman. Ben Hargreaves I've got two kids 205 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,560 under 5 and a full time job. I want to train properly, but I 206 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,040 also don't want to be that dad who disappears for two hours 207 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,320 every night. How do you actually balance it 208 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,240 without kidding yourself? That's an interesting question. 209 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,760 That is a good question because in order to do these massive 210 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,360 events like ultra marathons and stuff, or even marathons, you do 211 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,200 need to disappear for hours on end to get the running in. 212 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,320 At least, you know, if you're doing sort of 10 KS half 213 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,520 marathons, you're going to be out of the house for at least an 214 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,320 hour. If you're doing marathons, then 215 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,480 you could be going up to 2-3 hours if you're doing ultras. 216 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,440 I remember when I was doing my ultras, I was getting up. 217 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,000 I think I got up to like a 10 hour training run. 218 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,640 That's waking up, going out and coming and coming back and going 219 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,320 straight to bed. So how do you balance that? 220 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,360 Me, I tried to do it without affecting anyone. 221 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,680 I think that's the best option because it's like when you're 222 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,480 not in demand, when people aren't relying on you. 223 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,040 For me, that was my commutes to and from work or that was my 224 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,400 work hour because I'm already, I'm already away. 225 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,600 I'm already away from the family. 226 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,800 I can't be in demand. That is my time. 227 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,800 I can go out and do those things. 228 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,160 So it was the commutes, it was the lunch hours, it was getting 229 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,560 up early before anyone actually got up. 230 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,680 So you can get your training in, but not too early. 231 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,960 You know, I wasn't doing anything silly like the 4:00 AM 232 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,400 club. But if you can get up at six, do 233 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,080 a run from six till 7, then get home and then you can get the 234 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,920 kids ready and get ready for work, that's fine. 235 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Evenings you could choose as well, maybe when the kids are in 236 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,840 bed. Not preferred. 237 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,800 I hate that. The last thing I want to do is 238 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,280 go for a run in the bloody evening. 239 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,280 All I want to do is sit down and watch a bed on Netflix. 240 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,000 But I that's what I would do. I would pick the times when 241 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,280 you're not in demand as much as you can, because then you're not 242 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,320 affecting anyone else and you're not going to get a ram off the 243 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,040 misses. That's how I bloody do it. 244 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,160 That's the only way to do it at my house. 245 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,880 Chris Turner, what's the biggest mistake you made building 246 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:20,200 Rockman that nearly killed it. Oh Jesus, Rodman's died, almost 247 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,200 died. Rodman's almost died many a 248 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,800 time. But the biggest mistake, I don't 249 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,200 know if it was a mistake, but at the start I was running digital 250 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,720 ads and I was being able to acquire new members for Rockman 251 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,360 for about 5 lbs in advertising costs, which was more, which is 252 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,720 really lent itself well for growth. 253 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,200 I was able to scale, but then that died off. 254 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,240 Ads got too expensive, interests changed, the, the conversion 255 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000 rates changed, which which has happened sort of in markets 256 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,280 constantly. All of a sudden it was costing 257 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,760 me like 3540, five, 55 lbs to acquire a new customer. 258 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,360 And I wasn't getting that back from their income made from the 259 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,040 challenges. So it basically stalled. 260 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480 It halted, it stopped right there, the growth. 261 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,400 And because I'd relied on ads for a number of years, I hadn't 262 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,880 built up the, the base of the following or the community. 263 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,800 It, it was all just people paying for a service and then 264 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,560 leaving and stuff like that. So when the ads no longer became 265 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:21,680 a viable option to get new people in, I was pretty stuck 266 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,560 because I have no following to fall back on. 267 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,760 I have no mailing list. I have, you know, as I said, no 268 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,760 subscribers, no followers. So that was the biggest mistake 269 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 because I effectively had to start again. 270 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,320 And what I've been trying to do recently over the last year at 271 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,120 least is build the following, build the subscriber base, get 272 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,760 people interested in what we're doing because then you're not 273 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,680 relying on ads. We have the following. 274 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,160 Then it just meant starting from scratch and having to sort of 275 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,360 put up with that period of basically not having an income, 276 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,920 relying on the existing memberships that we'd achieved 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,800 and trying to build new ones through organic reach, which we 278 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,760 didn't have. And that only comes from time. 279 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,040 And This is why we're doing things like the Rockman podcast. 280 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,360 We're providing value, we're providing information about 281 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,400 training. But hopefully if we a cure 282 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,920 enough goodwill, you will give me the 1015 seconds that I've 283 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,680 got to speak about Rockman and hopefully you'll sign up and get 284 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:24,000 interested and and all that. Liam O'Connor, you've done some 285 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,480 mad challenges. Which one actually made you 286 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,960 think I've bitten off more than I can chew here? 287 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Pretty much every major challenge. 288 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,360 Every major challenge has made me think I've bitten off more 289 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,800 than I can bloody chew. One of the big ones, one of the 290 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,400 biggest, the first time I think it happened was the, what was 291 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,920 it? Operation Elevation is where we 292 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,480 had to ascend and descend the highest point in southern 293 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Britain, Pennavan, 10 times in 24 hours. 294 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,840 And I think it's about halfway through that where I was at. 295 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,080 Oh my God, Because you've done 5 percents and you think, great, 296 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,600 I'm halfway 5 percents to go. But those are 5 percents equate 297 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,720 to about 10 hours, and that was one of the biggest ones. 298 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,000 But then also with the massive GPS cock and balls world record 299 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,520 that I did in 2024 in November, where I ran and drew the world's 300 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,080 biggest GPS drawing of a cock and balls on foot in a single 301 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,240 continuous effort. And the 1st 22 miles of that 302 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,240 challenge was all uphill. I hadn't prepared for that. 303 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,160 I wasn't aware of that, even with all my due diligence and 304 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,680 planning and prep. So when I got to the first 305 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,560 checkpoint in Hay on Wyatt, 22 miles in, I was honestly 306 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,280 thinking, what the fuck have I signed myself up to? 307 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,480 I still, I still have 50 miles left to go. 308 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,880 But in those moments it is, you know, quitting isn't an option. 309 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,040 You have to do them. You've signed up, you've got to 310 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,520 do it. And all I was battling is 311 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,080 discomfort. You know, I could, I still was 312 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,200 able to do it. It just felt like crap and shit 313 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,680 and you don't want to do it. And even those 50 miles we're 314 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,920 probably going to equate to, you know, another 151617 hours of 315 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,560 running. It's just one foot in front of 316 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:09,560 the other. I remember at that point I was 317 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,160 trying to just go as fast as I can. 318 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,599 I didn't even bother with filming or photos or anything 319 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,160 like that. I just wanted to get it over and 320 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,400 done with. So yeah, there's been a few 321 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,800 challenges where I've done that, but it's all you're battling is 322 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,720 discomfort. As long as you can put 1 foot 323 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,800 forward and you're physically able to do that, you can still 324 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,599 push through. And it's just that constant 325 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,680 battle in your head. You know, I must have wanted to 326 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,800 quit about 1000 times during those challenges and it's just 327 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,480 about ignoring that voice and just putting 1 foot in front of 328 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,000 the other and just grinding it out and knowing that time will 329 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,880 pass whether I give up or whether I continue to do it, 330 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,000 that time will still pass. So in 15 hours, where do I want 331 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 to be? Do I want to be back at home 332 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,960 having failed the challenge or do I want to cross that finish 333 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,400 line knowing that I've done it and time is going to pass 334 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,920 whether I give up or stick to it. 335 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,200 So you may as well stick to it. So in 15 hours time you are 336 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,880 raising your hand as that you've accomplished that massive 337 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,880 mission. Dan Mercer or at Mercer runs. 338 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,600 I've listened to loads of the podcast. 339 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,240 Thank you. Thank you. 340 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,040 Dan, be honest. Have you ever had a guest on and 341 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,120 thought this is complete nonsense, but you had to nod 342 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:23,040 along because the mics were rolling? 343 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,200 I don't think I've ever had someone that come on that's 344 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,760 speaking a load of nonsense. They, they usually give good 345 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,760 interviews, you know, the good stories, good advice. 346 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,400 Have I had people on where I've gone? 347 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,760 Oh, God, this is going to be a chore. 348 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,280 Yeah, yeah. Perhaps. 349 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,320 You know, I'm not in a privileged position where I can 350 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,000 sort of get big guests on big speakers. 351 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,960 We're still growing. We're only 1000 followers. 352 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,880 Hopefully as we grow, we can get better people on. 353 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,560 So my pool of selection is smaller. 354 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,840 I have to look at the smaller. When I say smaller, I mean sort 355 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,520 of like in following or, or status, I have to look at these 356 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,680 smaller people that I can get on because, you know, David Goggins 357 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,480 ain't going to come on when he's got 10 million followers. 358 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,800 And with that, sometimes you do get ones that maybe don't, they 359 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,160 have the knowledge, but maybe aren't as exciting to speak to, 360 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,680 which is fine. And I'm, I'm happy to interview 361 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,080 them. More than happy to interview 362 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,440 them, let's say. It's just it can be a bit of a 363 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,720 chore. I'm constantly thinking of the 364 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,960 person on the other end, you Dan, the listener. 365 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,760 I'm constantly thinking of those people and I'm thinking, are 366 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,840 they going to be enjoying this? Are they going to be taking, you 367 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,240 know, taking good information back? 368 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,200 And if they're not the most exciting speaker, maybe they're 369 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,040 a bit dry, maybe they're a bit monotone. 370 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,240 I do feel that we're making articulating the message harder 371 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,240 to absorb on your end. And I, I will endeavour to 372 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,960 always get people that are exciting, got good stories and 373 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,560 great practical advice. But sometimes it's not always 374 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,560 possible. And hey, some people might 375 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,000 resonate with it. I don't know. 376 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,200 It's, it's up to you at the moment. 377 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,160 It's only what I think are this is what I personally think and 378 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,200 that's what the question was, but it's up to you. 379 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Some people might resonate that and they might prefer that 380 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,240 someone would like saw no frills not getting hyped up or excited 381 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 about. Things, someone a bit more 382 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,360 grounded, you might prefer that, but for me it's. 383 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,040 Yeah, there's been only one or two, but, you know, they're 384 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,040 still great guys. They still got great advice and 385 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,840 still I regret having them on. Absolutely not. 386 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,080 You know, every single person I've got on, I've always found 387 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,880 value in. So, Steve Parker, what training 388 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,360 method do you secretly think is nonsense? 389 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,400 But everyone's too polite to call out. 390 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,520 There's loads of, there's loads of bloody, there's loads of 391 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,400 fitness nonsense that I see online and the biggest ones, 392 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,680 maybe it's maybe not directly training, but it's the things 393 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,720 like breath work. I think that's a load of 394 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,120 nonsense. I think that's a lot of like 395 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,400 suggestibility, NLP, if you've ever heard of that, neuralistic 396 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,920 programming, sort of what like hypnotists do, where they 397 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,880 suggest to you what you're going to think, what you're going to 398 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,160 feel, and as long as you believe that you will experience that. 399 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,720 I think that would breath work a lot. 400 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Yes, there are scientific benefits, yes, but I think they 401 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,720 make, they make it seem bigger than it is. 402 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,240 You know, you hear about these people having completely 403 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,520 breaking down sobbing or they or they have hallucinations and 404 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,160 they see things. I think that is all to do with 405 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,320 the suggestibility or what is suggested. 406 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,280 And I think it's a lot to do with the sort of, yeah, what's 407 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,600 been suggested to you, like being hypnotized. 408 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,920 I I generally believe that. I also think that ice baths 409 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,360 aren't a thing really. I think it the thing with ice 410 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,640 baths, as I always say, you get thrill from doing it, 411 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,360 absolutely, but you don't actually achieve much. 412 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,840 A lot like having a wank. So if you want, look, if you 413 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,920 want to get good at running, if you want to get good at 414 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,720 strength, if you want to get swimming, good at swimming, you 415 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,960 need to run, you need to lift and you need to swim. 416 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,480 You can't get better at those things by having an ice bath. 417 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,120 So people using them for performance and stuff like that, 418 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,240 you're just getting better at sitting in cold water and 419 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,040 freezing your nipples off, that is all. 420 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,160 But it's rammed down our throats are sort of like this. 421 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,160 You know, you're made to feel guilty if you're not doing these 422 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,920 things and quite often these things are just a waste of time. 423 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,440 Similar with sauna and stuff like that. 424 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,600 It does like this. Look, don't get me wrong, these 425 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,240 things do have their benefits. They do help, but not to the 426 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,920 extent which I think online fitness influences are sort of 427 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,840 ramming down your throat with. As long as you're sticking to 428 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,200 your training, that is how you get better with the performance. 429 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 But also zone 2 running. That is another pet peeve of 430 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,600 mine. Zone 2 running is wildly 431 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,280 overrated. You hear people saying oh you 432 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,120 can get faster by running slower and it's just complete load of 433 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,520 nonsense and I've done it myself. 434 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,240 I loved that when I first heard it I was like oh bro I'll just 435 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,200 run zone two more. This is great. 436 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800 I don't actually have to exert myself in order to get faster. 437 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,680 But, and I think it that's why people like it, because it's 438 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,720 comforting to them to for them to know that they don't actually 439 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,840 have to push themselves hard. They can just run zone 2. 440 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000 But all zone zone 2 does is improve your base fitness. 441 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,360 If you want to run fast, you need to run fast. 442 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,200 You need to be doing your sprints, you need to be doing 443 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,440 your intervals. That's where your concentration 444 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,640 would be. If your aim is to get faster at 445 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,240 the 5K10K half marathon, marathon, you need to be doing 446 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,440 your fast work as well, elevating that heart rate, 447 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,600 getting used to being in that high heart rate zone. 448 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,680 So then when it comes to the day you're going to be faster. 449 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,680 Zone 2 is there to build your base. 450 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,720 That's more of an endurance. There we are. 451 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,200 I've said it, put it to bed. Nathan Reece, what's harder, 452 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,480 doing a massive physical challenge or trying to grow a 453 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,160 podcast and brand from scratch with no budget? 454 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,040 Well, physically, obviously the physical challenge that's 455 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,480 usually harder trying to grow a brand with from scratch with no 456 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280 budget. The benefit we've Rockman and 457 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,880 how I've been trying to grow that is that there's never been, 458 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,840 I've never needed money to do it. 459 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,320 So if it fails, I haven't lost anything. 460 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,320 You know, I, it's growing organically. 461 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080 It's it's growing on its own pace there. 462 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,040 There's no loss to it, if that makes any sense. 463 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,160 You know, I haven't got stakeholders breathing down my 464 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,760 neck about why aren't we up to these number of users or members 465 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,640 and stuff like that. You know, why isn't our turnover 466 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,560 at the X amount? I haven't got that. 467 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,680 If it doesn't do well, nothing happens. 468 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,280 Nothing happens. I've still got my day job. 469 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,160 You guys won't see any any difference on your end. 470 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,800 Nothing happens. So growing from scratch with no 471 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,280 budget, it probably it alleviates that pressure. 472 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,640 So growing a fitness brand on a podcast is probably easier. 473 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,000 I'd say physical challenge. If you don't do the training, 474 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,640 then you're going to perform worse or or worse, not even do 475 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,960 the challenge. So I would say doing a challenge 476 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,120 is much harder than growing a brand from scratch. 477 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,760 However, if I did have stakeholders, if I did have 478 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,080 directors breathing down my neck, it'll probably be harder 479 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,640 this one, because it it's definitely got, it's harder to 480 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,480 gain traction on a brand as I've got to convince you guys to sign 481 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,800 up and do it for a challenge. I've only got to convince 482 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:15,360 myself. Rob Hastings, if Rockman 483 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,520 disappeared tomorrow, what would you build next? 484 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,400 And would it still involve men doing stupidly hard things for 485 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,120 no prize? One of my aims in life was 486 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:28,920 always to help people motivate, inspire them, gain resilience 487 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,720 and live better lives with sort of fortitude. 488 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,680 That is always be my aim. And so if Rockman ended tomorrow 489 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,640 and I have to do something else, it would always revolve around 490 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,760 that mission statement of what I'm trying to achieve. 491 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,880 I'm just trying to make people better. 492 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,360 I'm just trying to motivate them. 493 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,480 I believe in physical fitness and the power it has over 494 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,480 improving not just your physical fitness, but your mental health 495 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,440 and the overall quality of your life. 496 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,520 And as that is where I'd stick to, I'd always stick to that 497 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,160 mission statement no matter what I did. 498 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,040 In fact, everything I do currently is always, always 499 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,040 around that mission statement. If Rockman ended tomorrow, what 500 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,000 would I do? Again? 501 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,360 It would just revolve around that. 502 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:13,400 Maybe it'd be some needless supplement or some shake weight 503 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,760 or something like that. I don't know. 504 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,880 You know, those weights, like a wanky weight. 505 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,920 I'm joking, obviously, but it would it would it would provide 506 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,040 genuine value to you guys and it would be revolving around 507 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520 inspiring you and motivating you to get out there, push your 508 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,040 limits and better yourself. Paul Davis I like the idea of 509 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,200 Rockman, but I can just go for a run on my own for free. 510 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,760 Why would paying for a challenge actually make me more likely to 511 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,760 do it? Paul we get that. 512 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,680 So we I've heard that more than once where people are like, what 513 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,920 should I pay for this? I can just do a run myself or 514 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,680 your challenges are on your homepage. 515 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,840 I'll why am I paying? I can just do the challenges 516 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,880 myself. Let me tell you something, Paul. 517 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,840 It's called the sunk cost effect. 518 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,080 We used to run the challenges for free back in the day. 519 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,840 You could get the challenges for free and you could upgrade paid 520 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,120 upgrades to go on the leaderboards, get your medals 521 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,240 and stuff like that. Little perks for the paid 522 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,600 membership, but the challenges were free. 523 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Do you know how many people completed the free challenges, 524 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,480 Paul, through the couple of years that we ran it like that 525 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,360 0%, No one did the free ones and completed them all. 526 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,800 It is called the sunk cost effect. 527 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,320 When you put down some money, a small payment, you have skin in 528 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,400 the game. And if you're anything like me, 529 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,600 that's tight as a duck's ass. If you've paid for something, 530 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,840 you're going to get the value out of it. 531 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,080 If you pay the small fee to enter our challenges, you have 532 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,200 exponentially increased the chances of you actually sticking 533 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,920 to it and doing those challenges. 534 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,040 So Paul, yes, you can go for a run for free. 535 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,080 Yes, you can do the challenges for free, but will you? 536 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,440 That is the question. And we've always said we've got 537 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,160 a 30 day money back guarantee. If you sign up for Rockman, you 538 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,160 do all the bloody challenges and after 30 days you think that was 539 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,120 a complete waste of time, message me. 540 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:11,240 You can get a full refund no questions asked. 541 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000 But that is why we do it is the sunk cost skin in the game. 542 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,760 You're now accountable to the investment that you've put in. 543 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,000 Matt Lawson, you've talked about being in a bad place years ago. 544 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480 What was the actual turning point where you thought, right, 545 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,560 enough of this, I not need to sort myself out. 546 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,120 So for people that didn't know, it was 2013. 547 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,280 I was a heavy, heavy binge drinker and doing some naughties 548 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,520 on the weekend as well. It was just a weekend warrior 549 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,040 really. So from the, from the outside, 550 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,920 you may have thought that I was doing all right. 551 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,800 You know, I was, I wasn't drinking in the week really. 552 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,200 I was going to work. Maybe considered high performer, 553 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,360 I don't know, because I had a degree, I did a master's, I had 554 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,720 had a job, I had my own house or as a flat at the time. 555 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,440 So on the, from the outside, you might have thought, oh, he's 556 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,320 doing fine. But it was these weekends where 557 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,760 I was abusing myself through the binge drinking, the junk food, 558 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,560 the doing the naughties and all that stuff. 559 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,320 And it was a bit of a slow burner. 560 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,760 It got to the point where I, I, I wasn't happy with the person I 561 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,720 saw in the mirror. You know, I was overweight, 562 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,360 unfit, greasy. It really started to affect sort 563 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,240 of my physical and mental health. 564 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,880 But the point, the turning point, the demosine moment, I 565 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,040 suppose it was one night where I think it was like Valentine's 566 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,520 Day when everyone was out with their misses and, and I wasn't, 567 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,880 I was at home. I didn't have a missus, you 568 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,960 know, even my dealer had a missus and he was out so I 569 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,000 couldn't, couldn't get anything off him either. 570 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,400 And it was in that point where I was like, I need to sort this 571 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,920 bloody out. I need to absolutely sort this 572 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,040 out. And I've always said that 573 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,680 suffering is a great catalyst for change. 574 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,200 You need to suffer. Pain is one of the biggest 575 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,160 reasons to why we change. And when you've experienced 576 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,560 enough pain that is going to give you a kick up the arse. 577 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,360 And too many times people can sort of coast through life 578 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,160 without enough pain. They're in discomfort, but it's, 579 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,240 it's not painful enough that they end up sticking with it for 580 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200 longer periods of time that they should have to. 581 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,080 Or, and for example, have you ever been in a job where you 582 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720 hate it, but it's, you don't hate it enough to do anything 583 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,400 about it? And four or five years has 584 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,960 passed and you're still there. Or if you're in a relationship 585 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,480 and you, you don't really, it's, it's a pain in the ass 586 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,320 relationship, but it's not painful enough for you to leave. 587 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,960 And that's what happened to me. I just reached the point where 588 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,240 I'd had a fucking tits fall. I need to sort it out. 589 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,640 And it was a challenge that kicked me up the arse. 590 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,520 To do that, I knew I needed something massive, so big that 591 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,360 it was bigger than the allure of the drinking and the binge 592 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,480 drinking and the the smoking and the junk food that it would make 593 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,880 me stick to what I'd I'm trying to do and turn my life around. 594 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,480 And I think that was through a white collar boxing fight 595 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,200 because I knew there's no escape in that. 596 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,080 If you don't do the training, if you don't put the work in, 597 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,040 you're going to get found out because it's you versus whatever 598 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,320 guy in a ring with a spotlight. And that was the big kick up the 599 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,520 arse for me. And it worked. 600 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,880 And that is what I'm preaching now for Rockman and the podcast 601 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,480 and stuff. It's all about goal setting. 602 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,880 It's all about challenges. And that is going to give you 603 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,640 the driver to actually turn things around. 604 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,880 Thank you, Matt. Phil Armstrong, If you had to 605 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,120 scrap 80% of training and keep just one thing that gives you 606 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,200 the most of your results, what stays? 607 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,840 I'd say running, running. But even even if I had to ditch 608 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,640 80% of the training, I would even just ditch the type of 609 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,520 running. I would just do tempo runs. 610 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,360 That's it. If I had to keep one thing in 611 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,520 training, just running, that just it's the best for fitness. 612 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,400 Strengthen the legs. It's sort of like if I had to 613 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,480 keep keep one thing, it's that that's what I find. 614 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,040 It's not necessarily strength that you get the most benefits 615 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,160 from day-to-day. It's that endurance, it's that 616 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,000 fitness. So I just keep running. 617 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,760 Just keep running, just keep running. 618 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280 Owen Clark, do you ever feel pressured to keep proving 619 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640 yourself with bigger and bigger challenges, or could you just 620 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,720 train quietly and be happy with that? 621 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,680 Yes, there's always a pressure to go bigger and bigger and 622 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,680 bigger, but I'm old enough now, I'm long enough in the tooth to 623 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,920 realise that that's not necessarily the way. 624 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,480 You've got to pick a challenge that is suitable for you in the 625 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,880 circumstance, in the now, in the here and now. 626 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,120 There's no point in me doing a bigger challenge than I did five 627 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,920 years ago if I'm not in the same fitness. 628 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,720 It's got to be for sort of you and you now. 629 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,640 Could I just train quietly and be happy with that? 630 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,640 No, I've always got to prove myself, but I find it, it comes 631 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,280 around in sort of like waves. At around 2 years I'll do a big 632 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,840 challenge and I I can dine off that for about a year or just a 633 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,800 little bit more, but it will come around at around 2. 634 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,040 The two year mark is where I'll get that itch again now and it's 635 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,280 all about, it's about proving myself. 636 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,960 It's all for me really. It's self worth, self esteem, 637 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,520 proving that I've still got it, proving that I'm still useful, 638 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,520 capable. I can do these things. 639 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,240 It's important for me to do these challenges. 640 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,440 It's important for me and myself worth, self-confidence to do 641 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,240 these challenges. And I know that by not doing 642 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,600 those challenges, I'm going to be in a worse place. 643 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,960 So that's what I do. Craig Foster To be honest, 644 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,240 Terry, are you building a fitness brand or just creating 645 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,960 elaborate excuses to avoid normal midlife crisises like 646 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,480 buying a motorcycle or getting a sleeve tattoo? 647 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,440 No, by trade. By trade, Craig, I am a 648 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,720 marketer. That's what I do. 649 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200 I love building brands and that's what I've always loved to 650 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,120 do. And I remember when I was 651 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,040 younger, I, it's, I've sort of realised, I realised that I 652 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,200 could create things, whether that was animations, websites, 653 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,240 designs that have an effect on other people's lives, but a 654 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,160 positive effect. And I love that, I really love 655 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,240 that. So I've always, I always wanted 656 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,120 to do something in marketing, but I also wanted to work on 657 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,560 brands that, you know, it weaves itself into other people's 658 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,920 lives. So when they're telling their 659 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,360 story, this is where I get the kick. 660 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,040 When they're telling their story, they can speak about the 661 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,960 positive effects from a brand that I have created. 662 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,600 That is one of the main drivers for me. 663 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,400 I absolutely love it. And so would I buy a motorcycle, 664 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,639 do a sleep tattoo? Maybe I'll do those things. 665 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,440 But for me, my passion lies in brand building, brand creation 666 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,199 and having positive effects on other people's lives. 667 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,520 Ryan Patel, you said you've never really taken money out of 668 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,920 Rockman, which I haven't. Noble or terrible business 669 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,560 skills? Yeah, I think it's a bit of 670 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,880 both. There's never been money to take 671 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,120 out of Rothman. That's the problem. 672 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,960 My wife says I'm not allowed another hobby that doesn't make 673 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,960 money. So I'm asking for both of us. 674 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,280 Ryan, why is your missus saying you're not allowed to have a 675 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,080 hobby that doesn't make money? I mean, what are your other 676 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,040 hobbies? Jesus, that's a bit of a weird 677 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360 last from her to have that pressure to, to have control 678 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,320 over what you do as a hobby, but also that you're not allowed to 679 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,560 do it without making money. Look Ryan, just do you man. 680 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,080 Just do whatever you want. That's the whole point of a 681 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,480 hobby. It doesn't have to make you 682 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,320 money as long as you enjoy it. For me, with Rockman, 90% of it 683 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,480 is I enjoy it because it hasn't made bloody money for five 684 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960 years. So good job, I bloody love it. 685 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640 And that's where my passion is. If it gets to a point where it 686 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,400 actually makes me money, fantastic. 687 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520 Because if it's making more and more money, then it means that 688 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600 I'm helping more people. And that is the core of which 689 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,560 I'm trying, which I'm trying to achieve here and do honestly, 690 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,720 I'm not lying. This is not, this is not 691 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,120 marketing spiel. OK Adam Fetcher, I've been 692 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,560 listening since early on and it feels like the podcast has got 693 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,240 more direct over time. Have you been more opinionated 694 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,320 or just more comfortable saying what you actually think? 695 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,960 I am opinionated but I think I heard a piece of advice before. 696 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480 It's like if you sit on the fence, if you try to it's. 697 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640 And it is the same with products, services, marketing. 698 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,440 If you try to appeal to everyone you end up appealing to nobody. 699 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,520 So I'm quite happy in picking a side of the fence nowadays. 700 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,080 Have an opinion on something and a strong opinion because at 701 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,480 least I'll resonate with some people. 702 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,920 Then you're also going to get your haters. 703 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,400 That's part and parcel. But at least some people will 704 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,040 love me. But if I sat on the fence, then 705 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,840 neither side love you. You know what I mean? 706 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480 So yes, I everyone's got opinions. 707 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520 I'm, I'm not like this Switzerland that sits on the 708 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,480 fence of everything. I've got strong opinions and 709 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,720 I'll always try and stick to them. 710 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,480 Just be honest, be truthful to me. 711 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,960 And I know it's going to resonate with most people behind 712 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,040 that camera because most people by that behind that camera are 713 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,840 just like me. So that is why I suppose we're 714 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,560 being more direct now. Dean Webster at the at Dean 715 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,840 tries fitness. I'm mid 30, decent shape, but I 716 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,240 feel like a plateaued. At what point do you accept 717 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,920 you're just maintaining? And is that actually a bad 718 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,640 thing? Dean? 719 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,400 I mean, you're probably asking the wrong guy. 720 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520 I've got I've got the physique of a melted candle. 721 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,200 I'm I'm not a fitness expert. I'm not a fitness professional. 722 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,280 I and this is precisely why I get those type of people on the 723 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,560 podcast because I can't give this advice because I can't even 724 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,120 preach what what I say either. But Dean, if you feel like 725 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,200 you've plateaued, I'd I'd sign up for a challenge, Sign up for 726 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,680 a challenge that's going to see you bust through. 727 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,600 Doesn't even have to be a Rockman one. 728 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,440 It could be like a big, big live event like an Iron Man or an 729 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,600 ultra marathon or something like that, Something big. 730 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,040 I think that's going to see you pushing through and getting 731 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,560 breaking through that plateau and seeing more gains. 732 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,760 Summer Brooks, you built Rockman alongside a job, family and 733 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,440 training. What's the one thing you've had 734 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,720 to sacrifice that people wouldn't realise? 735 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,880 Free time I guess is the biggest sacrifice from running a fitness 736 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:59,240 brand alongside everything else. Maybe what about to sacrifice? 737 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,880 I guess it's the way I run it is is through balance. 738 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,600 I if I really wanted to grow this as an accelerated rate, I 739 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,840 could stop hanging around with my kids, see the wife less and 740 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,600 spend train less and spend all my time building this brand. 741 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,080 That would see accelerated growth faster. 742 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,040 But I don't want to sacrifice those other pillars. 743 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,560 My kids are really important to me, my wife is really important 744 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,840 to me, My training is really important to me, Socialising is 745 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,200 really important to me. So I have a balance across all 746 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,200 those pillars. I make sure I'm spending time 747 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,840 with each and every section that I've just mentioned in order to 748 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,840 have that balanced lifestyle. You see a lot of people, the 749 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,840 grind culture, people online, they're talking about work life 750 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,360 balance is a myth. I'm sorry. 751 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:48,000 If you want sustainable and consistent growth over a long 752 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,080 period of time, your lifestyle needs to be sustainable in that 753 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,200 you're hitting those pillars. If you go all in on something 754 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,160 and those other pillars don't get the right amount of 755 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,800 attention, then those areas are going to suffer in your life. 756 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,360 You're going to end up falling off the wagon. 757 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,520 You're going to lose motivation. You're going to constantly be 758 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,000 veering off course. So the way I plan it is, yes, 759 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,320 growth is going to be slower. I've taken a knock to the ego 760 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,800 with that, admitting that, but I'm not sacrificing those other 761 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,360 pillars in my life. So have I had to sacrifice 762 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,760 anything that people wouldn't realise? 763 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,760 Not really. In that I'm fitting it in around 764 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,200 segments of time where I have the time to do it. 765 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,240 That's all. I mean, I've lost a lot of money 766 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,400 into Rockman. I think, you know, I've spent 767 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040 about four figures of my own money in Rockman and obviously 768 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,920 I've never taken a penny out, so I haven't seen that. 769 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,560 But as I say, I love it. I absolutely love it. 770 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,800 And if I'm helping you guys then great. 771 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,080 So I'll keep doing it. J Riley I'm not sure I'm great 772 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,600 at asking questions as I don't think I'm great at spotting 773 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,400 trends and working out what mainstream people are interested 774 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,520 in. But selfishly, I'd like to ask, 775 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,600 who are the people you look up to and why? 776 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,800 I find a lot of my male role models have fallen very short of 777 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,120 the mark and it's left me questioning what I'm aiming for. 778 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,120 I don't tend to have like massive role models or people 779 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640 that I hold on a pedestal and worship everything they say. 780 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,360 I liken it like, like in a band, right? 781 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,440 You don't like even your favorite band you don't like. 782 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,840 Every track of theirs on every single album, you just don't. 783 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,040 It's impossible. Some songs are going to be naff, 784 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,080 right? Some songs you go, I really hate 785 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,280 that one or that's absolute bollocks. 786 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,960 And I find that like with people online or people you look up to 787 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,080 is I like certain aspects of them themselves, their values 788 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,480 and what they've done. Don't like everything they've 789 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,640 done, but if you're looking for someone to look up to, I think 790 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,920 that it's better off looking at aspects of people that you 791 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,840 really love rather than the the whole person themselves or you 792 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,880 can love the whole person themselves. 793 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,600 It's up to you. But some key people I really 794 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880 look up to is James Smiths, the the online personal trainer. 795 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,560 He's a great businessman. He seems to have, I love his 796 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,520 work ethic as well. He has a balance. 797 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,400 He has a work life balance. He lives on a beach in 798 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,680 Australia. He has plenty of family time, 799 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560 plenty of time with his wife, his kids, and he does awesome 800 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,000 work. And he's really grounded in a 801 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,240 thinker. He's a grounded thinker. 802 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,040 What he says makes sense. I think that's one of the 803 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,520 reasons why he blew up so quickly. 804 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,400 In fact, he's my business mentor as well. 805 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,120 I'm signed up to. In fact, this is one of his 806 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,360 drinks. Chris Williamson is another guy. 807 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:31,640 He's a host of the podcast The Modern Modern Wisdom. 808 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,000 But it's mostly I love aspects of them. 809 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,800 Maybe if I got to know them more, there'll be aspects that I 810 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,640 don't like. I suppose that's what happens in 811 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,680 this culture now is afterwards when someone gets so big, 812 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,080 inevitably a bad story comes out about them and they maybe they 813 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,880 do fall short of the mark, but ultimately everyone's just a 814 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,920 human just like me and you, Jay. No one is God like. 815 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,120 So what I would choose to do is focus on values of people that 816 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,800 you admire and you you can pick and choose. 817 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,440 Then maybe you like the Rocks dedication to work and maybe you 818 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,800 like David Beckham's attention to family and maybe you like 819 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,080 James Smith's attention to fitness. 820 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,600 You can take those aspects and put them together and sort of 821 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,720 create this, this melting pot of values and things that you can 822 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,760 look up to rather than the actual individuals and 823 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,880 themselves. Hope that helps. 824 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,600 Hope that helps. Oh, there's more from Jay. 825 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,840 There's more. There's more from Jay. 826 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,720 He's got a couple of questions. What's your view on growing up 827 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,160 and becoming a proper adult? Are you ready to put down the 828 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,480 beers and rave whistle and pick up the pipe and slippers Now 829 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,320 that's a midlife crisis question if I have a robot. 830 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,680 Yeah, maybe you you're having this this crisis yourself at the 831 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,960 moment. Are you not ready, Jay? 832 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,600 You're not ready to do this. I'm really happy. 833 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,480 I can't wait to pick up the pipe and slippers. 834 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,440 Honestly. I suppose you know, I've 835 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,200 definitely had my fair share of beers and rave whistles. 836 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,840 I don't tend to drink anymore. I try to avoid it at all costs. 837 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,840 The the cost of drinking now is just too much. 838 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,880 It's the seven day hangover. It's the what have it said to 839 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,720 people? What have I done at the pub? 840 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,240 How have I embarrassed myself? Especially with picture phones 841 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,840 now as well, people taking photos. 842 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,040 How much money have I spent falling off the training wagon? 843 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,280 Falling off the healthy eating wagon? 844 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,240 It it's a massive cost for what is for little return in my eyes. 845 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,720 Now I'm more than happy to pick up the pipe and slip slippers. 846 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,840 In fact, I cannot wait. I'm in bed by like half nine 847 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,560 most nights. You know, I'm sort of living 848 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,920 this old man lifestyle as it is. I've lived my wild days. 849 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,960 I've done them, they're done and dusted. 850 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,120 I had a great time. I am ready to put them aside 851 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,600 now. I'm, it's all about maybe sort 852 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:47,240 of achieving things now for me. So with my family, with my kids, 853 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,920 with the wife, but also these personal projects like Rockman, 854 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,560 I, I, that's where my sort of passions are now. 855 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,720 It's less about the wild times. I've done that. 856 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,920 I had a bloody good time. It's sort of personal 857 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,560 achievements and sort of personal growth and my kids and 858 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,400 my family that are sort of concentrating with them. 859 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,880 I guess if you haven't done those things, if you haven't got 860 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,600 the wild times out of your systems, then you're sort of 861 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:11,960 going to be still living for that. 862 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,000 But like as you grow older, man, there's so much more value in 863 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,400 relationships with people, your family, your friends, your, your 864 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,280 personal achievements. Rather than boozing up and see 865 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,480 how many pints you can sink and how many shots you can do and 866 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,080 how many times you can stop yourself being sick at the pub, 867 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,680 I guess. But I'm not perfect either, Jay, 868 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,040 You're talking about those rolling metals. 869 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,640 How many perfect? I'm far from it One more from 870 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,120 Jay there, he's asked me 3 questions Jay, you've asked me 3 871 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,520 questions. What would you or are you doing 872 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,800 to prepare your kids for the modern world now thought about 873 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,680 this loads. I've got two kids I've got 2 874 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,280 girls 1416, soon to be 7 and five. 875 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,440 They're very young, but I see I see this modern world. 876 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,040 I see it because I'm in it. I've got my phone and I scroll 877 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,400 and I know that they're going to be encountering all these same 878 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,280 issues when they're they're growing up for Luckily for me, 879 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,920 camera phones only came out when I was about probably in my 20s, 880 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,160 something like that. I think it was in university. 881 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,600 The when I was in university, the iPhone came out when I was 882 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,080 in about 2021 when I grew up, I had a my first phone was 16. 883 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,920 It was a brick phone. You could only store 10 numbers 884 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,680 on it and I think 10 texts literally space for your phone 885 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,560 to only how old 10 texts on your phone. 886 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,400 You had to delete them if you wanted more ones in. 887 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,440 But I thank the Lord I didn't have a picture phone because if 888 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,200 I could take photos when I was 16 with a camera and send them 889 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,640 to people, a lot of people would have seen a lot more of me and 890 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,160 my body than they probably would have wanted to. 891 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,800 But I understand that's what the kids and the generation now are 892 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,200 going to be growing into, this accessibility of phones, of 893 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040 cameras where they can send people, where they can make 894 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,840 stupid mistakes. And because let's be honest, 895 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,080 we've all done it, and there's no different with the upcoming 896 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,640 generation. So what do I do with my kids? 897 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,600 And all you can do is instill good ethics and values within 898 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,840 them. That's all you can do. 899 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,080 Your role as a father, as a parent, is to make yourself 900 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120 redundant. What I mean by that is there's 901 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,160 going to come a point where you're not there. 902 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,600 Hello. Talking to kids. 903 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:19,720 Thank you. Me. 904 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,520 You come to see me. Yeah. 905 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,920 Come here. Come here. 906 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,280 Come on. Come around. 907 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,880 Thank you, darling. I'll be in with you in a SEC. 908 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,320 I'll come in with you now. OK. 909 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,640 I'll come into the house. Alright. 910 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:36,960 I'll be 5 minutes. Alright. 911 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,640 See you, buddy. Sorry, what was I saying? 912 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,600 Just do the kids bubble there. Basically, you, you've got to 913 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,520 raise your kids so they can be independent adults and not 914 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,320 reliant on you. And the only thing you can do is 915 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,360 instill good ethics and values because if you instill those, 916 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,840 then you can be confident that they're going to be making the 917 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,920 right decisions when they're met with these wild scenarios and 918 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,800 situations that they're undoubtedly going to be in. 919 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,880 That is what I do. Jay, thank you for the 920 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,440 questions. Final question then. 921 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,960 Lewis Grant, you talk about purpose a lot. 922 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,680 What happens if someone just doesn't particularly feel driven 923 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,720 by anything? Do they need a big goal or can 924 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,880 they just live? Or can they just still live well 925 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,760 without 1? So what's it you talk about 926 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,240 purpose? What happens if someone doesn't 927 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,120 feel particularly driven by anything? 928 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:34,160 Do they need a big goal or can they still live well without 929 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,320 one? That's a tough question. 930 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,000 That's a tough question because if you don't feel particularly 931 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,960 driven by anything, are you then happy? 932 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,120 If you're fulfilled and happy with with by not being 933 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,320 particularly driven by anything, then do you need a big goal? 934 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,080 Maybe not. I do believe that everyone, 935 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040 there is something out there that someone is going to be 936 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,640 passionate about. Even you, Lewis, there is going 937 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,120 to be something that you are deeply passionate about, right? 938 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,400 There must be something, whether it's watching films or 939 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,560 collecting Pokémon cards or painting Warhammer or collecting 940 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,840 knickers from washing lines, I don't know. 941 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,040 There's going to be something that you are deeply passionate 942 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,280 about. Absolutely. 943 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,560 And if you can set yourself a goal within that arena, then you 944 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,040 are going to feel driven by that purpose that you have now given 945 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,280 yourself. So I refuse to believe that 946 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,080 there's people just don't get driven by things of purpose. 947 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,640 I really don't or anything that people just don't get driven by 948 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,360 something. There's going to be something in 949 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,360 your life that you're deeply, you're going to find deep 950 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,760 purpose and passion and value from and it's just about 951 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,800 finding, finding out. Simply ask the question, what's 952 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,840 one thing a bloody love to do? If there was no limits on 953 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,880 anything? What is the one thing you bloody 954 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,640 love to do? Find it and then make a plan to 955 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,840 try and achieve it. Simple as that. 956 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,680 Can you live? Do you need a big goal or can 957 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,880 you still live well without one? They don't need to be big goals. 958 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,400 In fact, most big goals are broken down into little goals 959 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,360 anyway. It's all about the next step, 960 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,120 just the next little goal, the next achievable goal, the next 961 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120 one. Before you know it, you, you can 962 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,960 progress quite far without having a big one. 963 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,640 You can just have multiple little ones. 964 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,040 And once, once you get to a stage and you look back and you 965 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,880 go, Jesus Christ, I've travelled quite far. 966 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,840 You could probably still live without goals, but would you be 967 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,480 fulfilled? Would it be a life well used? 968 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,400 Up to you, Lewis. Only I, only you can answer that 969 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,040 question and that's it. That's the questions. 970 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,080 Thank you so much for sending them all in. 971 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,200 I hope I answered them well. I hope you get some value from 972 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:42,640 it. Hope you found out about a bit 973 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,240 more about me and Rockman and the podcast and challenges. 974 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,720 Don't forget, if you want to get involved with Rockman, click the 975 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:51,040 link in the description below. Sign up challenges, weekly 976 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,760 challenges, training, build your fitness, build your strength, 977 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,000 get fit again, improve your well-being, improve your overall 978 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200 quality of life. Just get involved. 979 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,920 Click the link and next week we'll be back onto normal 980 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,240 episodes with our guests again. Got some big hitters lined up so 981 00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:12,560 you will not be disappointed and I will see you all soon. 982 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,240 Thanks for listening BJ. That was fantastic. 983 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:16,800 Awesome, Thank you very much for coming on. 984 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:17,840 Thank you. My pleasure. 985 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,760 Appreciate it. Awesome. 986 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,720 Congratulations, you made it to the end of the episode. 987 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,920 If you found value in it, please leave us a review or drop us a 988 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,720 comment below. And to make sure you don't miss 989 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,760 another one, make sure you follow and subscribe. 990 00:50:28,080 --> 00:51:13,880 Thanks for watching. The.