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The What do you think is the 
biggest load of bollocks in 

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fitness right now? 
No, right, OK, this is going to 

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be the biggest load of bollocks 
in fitness right now. 

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Social media content. 
Nice. 

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What a load of bollocks. 
What a load of bollocks. 

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Yeah, what is it about it? 
Oh, it's just, it's so black and

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white or it's so repetitive or 
so contradictory. 

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Like how the fuck do you know 
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Oh, do zone 2O, don't do zone 2,
do super double threshold 

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sessions. 
Do this Norwegian style of 

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training. 
Don't do that Norwegian style, 

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do Japanese styles. 
What the fuck do I do? 

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Just keep it simple. 
Just yeah, like get your basics 

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and then fucking like worry 
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high levels. 
I think. 

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I think fitness is too 
complicated these days. 

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Yeah, and there's a load of 
bollocks online, as you say, 

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people are saying do this and 
then so there's literally the 

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next swipe up is a contrary, 
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about not doing that thing. 
It's mental. 

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There's a lot of noise. 
I think people just need to like

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do more. 
Like I'm really, I've since 

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getting into running, I've got 
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and all of that shit and posting
on social and it's my business, 

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right? 
Adventure athletes. 

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I've got to promote myself. 
I've got to show you that I'm 

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doing well and like my 
challenges and stuff. 

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I've got to promote what I'm 
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working with. 
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I've got to do all of this being
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But then at the same time, I 
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trying to step away from that 
and I'm going to start doing no 

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watch runs and stuff. 
And that's going to freak some 

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people out. 
But you know, just fuck off all 

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your technology. 
Get back to the reason why you 

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started getting into fitness in 
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And yeah, don't overcomplicate. 
It we call it naked runs, don't 

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they? 
When you go without your watch. 

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Yeah, but then I also hate the 
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this trend. 
It's like, look at me like going

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for a run without my watch. 
Look, fuck off. 

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Just just do it. 
Don't shout about it. 

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You're just going for a run at 
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cares? 
I see that, I see that is when 

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people post their times on 
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don't, I don't think they 
realise that no one gives 2 

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shits about the, the fact 
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their 5K. 
And that's not in a horrible 

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way. 
That obviously means so much to 

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them. 
They've done really well and 

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they they obviously want to post
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Like just do it for you. 
It's almost like they're doing 

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it for other people. 
Maybe the the the reasons why 

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they're doing it is wrong. 
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And this is what I found is I 
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because like I said, it's my 
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And I'm like, yeah, look, I went
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in 10 hours to then doing it in 
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And that's, that's a great 
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I was proud of that. 
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to post about and I feel like I 
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becomes a chore. 
And then I'm like, well, I have 

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to now keep improving because 
that's the expectation of me. 

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That's not why I got into 
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into ultras in the 1st place. 
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thought with myself recently, 
like, why did I get into 

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running, especially ultras? 
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saw the documentary on the 
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up for my first ultra and I was 
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I didn't then train. 
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And then it got onto race day 
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to run an ultra. 
You forgot you signed up for one

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of the biggest ultras in there 
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Rock up, did it, broke myself. 
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Literally one minute of the cut 
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finish, but I finished it. 
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the running community and it's 
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there was when I was talking 
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and there's people at not just 
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event being like, oh, Will's 
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And I'm like, I've just run 4 
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How the fuck am I going to win 
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Like no. 
Is this on your fifth run of the

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fifth days? 
They think, oh, they'll win this

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after running four night. 
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This is what I mean. 
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posting and doing these 
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expectation of me and you, you 
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And it's that there's that 
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post and track your stats. 
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love stats. 
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have stats and to track your 
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But every now and then just 
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first place because it gets 
really like demoralizing and it 

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just sucks the fun out of it. 
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you're put in your validation on
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isn't it? 
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likes, does that mean that run 
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enjoy it? 
It needs, you need to take it 

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back to yourself. 
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what you're doing it, it doesn't
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Max, you know, Max Glover, he he
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So when he did his first 
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wouldn't do it and he had to 
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wrong. 
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challenge, everyone was like, 
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And it was a weird position for 
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like, well, now they they expect
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It was a different kind of 
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It's funny, you must have felt 
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you're going to win your 5th 
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I'll move on. 
What's one thing in fitness that

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everyone thinks is essential 
that you think is rubbish and 

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you've bend off and don't do? 
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ask this recovery. 
Yeah, yes, I knew that's going 

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to get some some clicks. 
Yeah, this this actually links 

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nicely to the the point before 
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with your last question. 
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emphasis on overtraining and 
they they're like, oh, I need to

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get my recovery. 
Oh, I'm a bit tired today. 

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I'll get my recovery. 
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just a bit tried because you're 
training hard? 

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Like that's that's a byproduct 
of training. 

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Yeah, recovery. 
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important, but you only need so 
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right and you're sleeping well. 
Do you really need like a full D

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load week? 
Do you need to take a week off 

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completely? 
Do you need to tone it back 

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every now and then? 
Sure, but you have to be 

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following that structured plan. 
There should be times where you 

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are naturally going to break and
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too much time thinking about 
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And then that sort of leads me 
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Like I can, I always think about
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People laugh at me. 
These are the shoes I wore doing

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my 6 ultras in six days. 
I still wear them now when I'm 

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running and they're like, oh, 
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miles. 
You need to retire them. 

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And I'm like, I probably should 
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the the back of one of these, 
like, I'll see if I can show you

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the camera. 
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obviously rubber there. 
There's none there. 

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That's just foam that's been 
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I still run on that. 
That is like worn away so much 

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that my foot's on a backward 
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And people are like, oh, you've 
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And, and then I'm turning up and
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like, what shoes are they 
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I don't know. 
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Yeah, yeah, I've always said 
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People put too much emphasis on 
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This is what you get Darren from
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all the gear. 
No idea buying the Pegasus 

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carbon plated bounce runners to 
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his bloody 40 minute 5K time or 
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There's far too much emphasis. 
I when if you ever see me run, 

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I'm look, I look like I'm 
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Honestly, I've just it's just 
Mitch smashed clothes and stuff 

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like this. 
And you, you don't. 

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All you need is a pair of 
trainers and so remember where 

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you live. 
That's it to go out and stuff 

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like that. 
Do you see your clients like 

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worrying about stuff like that? 
Oh yeah, And they ask me and 

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they're like, Oh well, I'm going
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Like what shoes should I get? 
I'm like, I don't know what 

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feels comfortable. 
What do you like wearing? 

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Are you going on trail? 
Probably get some trail shoes. 

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That's it. 
I do recommend like, get your 

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gait analysis done and then see 
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that suit you better. 
Like I go to Soulmate, they do 

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my gait analysis and then I'm 
they're like, yeah, we recommend

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these. 
I'm like, cool, Whereas other 

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people are like, oh, but they 
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shit. 
I guess. 

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It's a fucking pair of shoes. 
The you see me going, going to 

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work, going for a run, training 
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occasions where I do something 
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I'm dressed exactly the same. 
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like and it's just you go out 
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do. 
The improvements are made in 

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your training. 
It's nothing. 

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It's not the trainers. 
Yeah, I, I understand that at 

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the highest level and it's the 
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the same with like tracking your
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like nought .5% of athletes 
where they're, it's their job, 

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it's their life. 
Then you can focus on all the 

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little details and be like, 
where am I getting these gains 

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from? 
Most people just need to fucking

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get outside more. 
Go for a run, go to the gym. 

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Like you're not training enough 
to be overtraining. 

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Yeah, you're not like running 
fast enough to warrant having 

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five different pairs of shoes 
for different things. 

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Like have a road pair, have a 
trail pair, Sure. 

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Because like, I've run on trails
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time and I slip to fuckery. 
Other than that, it really 

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doesn't matter. 
Yeah, yeah, my my point of 

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I like it, I like it it. 

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This sort of ties in again, I 
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But what's 1 truth about 
endurance training that everyone

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repeats but you found is 
completely wrong in the real 

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Now let's get back to the 

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episode. 
There's two things that spring 

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One of them's, again, it's just 

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a bit of a fad at the moment. 
Zone 2 training, Oh, you just 

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You have to have your speed work
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Like if time's important to you 
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speed work and they're worrying 

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And it's like, again, just do 
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But then you include like if I'm

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doing intervals, I've got like 3
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doing more slow running in. 
So how am I building up that 20%

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of my fast stuff? 
Like you need to be doing more 

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fast stuff than you think. 
That's like #1 like everyone's 

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going to down the route of, oh, 
just run slow to run fast. 

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Like no, run fast to run fast 
and then run slow to build your 

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base. 
Like, yeah, that's that's one 

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strength training. 
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just how they approach strength 
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So they're either anti strength 
training being like, you don't 

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need it to be a good runner. 
No, you don't need it, but it's 

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going to help, especially if 
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runner. 
Like I know some fucking amazing

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runners that don't strength 
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Would they be a bit more 
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train? 
Probably. 

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Do they need it? 
Probably not because they're 

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quite naturally good at it. 
Are you those people? 

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Probably not. 
Strength training is going to 

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help. 
And then it's like if they are 

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into strength training, they 
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And it's just they they're doing
like too many reps and they're 

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not going heavy enough. 
Like if you want to be more 

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robust, you have to make 
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You don't do that by doing three
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light kettlebell. 
Like that's fuck all, really. 

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I suppose you're not getting 
stronger. 

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No, you're not. 
You'll build a bit because if 

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you haven't done it, doing 
anything is going to help. 

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But are you maximizing what you 
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Like I think minimum effective 
dose, I want to be in the gym 

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for as little as I can and get 
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So I'm like, right, heavy 
squats, heavy dead lifts, things

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like that, Plyometrics, great 
things that are going to have 

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like the most transfer and you 
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And then I spend more time in 
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the gym. 
So then I'm doing like Olympic 

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lifts because they're fun. 
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because I want to be good all 
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I want to be able to go and do 
rock climbing if I want to. 

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I want to go and compete in a 
high rocks without any specific 

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training. 
Like I want to turn up and do 

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stuff. 
So I spend more time in the gym 

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just because it's fun. 
You don't need to spend that 

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long in the gym and it doesn't 
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different circuits. 
And yeah, just do the basics 

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well. 
I like it. 

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No, I've always seen. 
Have you ever seen people go 

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from strongman or powerlifting 
and then into running and they 

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adapt so well, but I'm yet to 
see anyone go from running into 

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strongman and do well at that. 
Yeah, I've. 

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Been, yeah, a lot recently. 
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they've just got that robustness
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forces of running. 
Like if you've got a really good

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squat, your tendons and 
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with really small repetitive 
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this is like fuck all force 
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But then yeah, take a runner 
into a gym and they have no idea

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what what they're doing. 
They'll crumble. 

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Let's talk about where were we 
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flipping? 
Who were you as an athlete 

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before you got into these mega 
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Because you weren't necessarily 
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And now you you've gone straight
in and you're poding it, poding 

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him races. 
What were you before that? 

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Yeah, What were? 
Yeah. 

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What were you before that? 
I mean, when I was growing up I 

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hated sport. 
Like I literally hated sport. 

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I hate. 
I would be that kid that would 

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write notes in his little diary 
to give to the teachers to be 

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like, oh wells injured today. 
He can't do PE like was. 

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It signed Dad. 
Just really shitly forged notes 

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and I was just like, can't do PE
today. 

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I hated it. 
I'd often forget my cat. 

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I was always like kind of 
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Like I'm from quite an active 
family, so I'd cycle to school. 

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That was more because I think my
parents made me. 

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They were like, we don't want to
keep driving. 

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You like fucking make your own 
way out of school. 

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I'm. 
Fed it for. 

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Taking you all right, it's only 
6 miles away. 

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Sure. 
So I cycled to school and back 

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and then you'd end up just like 
cycling with your mates and 

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pissing about. 
So I did that. 

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Other than that, like I really 
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I hated it. 
I would go to the library. 

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I was really into gaming. 
I liked my gaming. 

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People that know me now are 
like, you can sit still and 

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concentrate for long enough to 
play a game. 

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I'm like, no, I can't now. 
But I used to. 

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And then I started doing some 
martial arts because I was 

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really into Teenage Mutant Ninja
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So that got me into martial 
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I was doing all right at that. 
And then I gave up doing it 

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because I didn't really have 
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Like I was the youngest in the 
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There was me and like one other 
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We were the only teenagers sort 
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Everyone else was adults. 
When it got to the point where I

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was the same as my instructor 
and then I was like, you're not 

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really teach me anything. 
Then I'd help him teach the 

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classes and then I was like, I 
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Then I got into free running. 
That's where it all sort of 

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clicked for me. 
I was having this conversation 

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with someone yesterday actually 
about how hardcore and free 

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running is the best sport that 
you can do to build an athletic 

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base for anyone. 
Like if you want to get 

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especially your kids, if you 
want to get your kids athletic 

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as they're older, I can get them
into parkour and free running. 

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Most parkour isn't it, It's 
where you jump in over bollards 

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and walls and yeah. 
Jumping across buildings, 

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climbing stuff, it's got a bit 
of everything. 

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Jump in the the, the thing that 
separates it from gymnastics 

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because everyone's like, we'll 
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much more structured and I'm 
like it is much more structured.

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But that's what takes away from 
the athletic ability in a way, 

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because then you're so used to 
things being at the same all the

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time. 
Whereas with free running it's 

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more adaptable and then you're 
also there's more of that social

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aspect because you're always out
with your friends doing it 

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usually. 
And then there's the reactivity,

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there's all the stuff that's off
angle. 

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Gymnastics is all very linear. 
Whereas free running, it's like,

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well, I'm going to jump there 
and you're like all over the 

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place and you've got that 
reactiveness to it as well. 

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And then there's that auto 
regulation because you're self 

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coached. 
Gymnastics is always coach just 

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so structured like being a 
gymnastics coach myself, like 

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when I was coaching, I had like 
a four year plan for my athletes

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and it was like, right, these 
are when we're trying to hit 

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these skills. 
Obviously things change because 

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life, but you generally know 
where they're going to be in the

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next four years, where you're 
aiming for them to go. 

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You can tell their sessions 
ahead of time. 

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When you do free running, you 
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It's like I'm going to go jump 
on some walls and then it's like

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some days you'll be like, oh, 
I'm going to, I feel like I'm 

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close to making this jump so I'm
going to keep at it for like 

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hours. 
Other days within 3 or 4 

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attempts, you're like today's 
not the day. 

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But you learn to auto regulate 
your training. 

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And that's something that I 
didn't fully appreciate that I 

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can do really well from having 
years of experience of that, 

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whereas most people, especially 
people that I coach can't. 

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So I've always told them like, 
oh, like on the day, see how you

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feel when you're training and if
you need to like change the 

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weights, you can. 
And they're like, this is what's

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written down and they can't auto
regulate. 

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And it's really hard. 
It was always really hard for me

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to understand like, why can't 
you do that? 

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But it makes sense now. 
There's a freedom, there's an 

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autonomy that you can sort of 
you can choose your session on 

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that day for what you're 
interested in that day. 

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St. 
Gymnastics in it St. 

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Bruv. 
St. 

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Gymnastics. 
The thing because everyone 

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always says it's, it's the same 
as gymnastics. 

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It's the whole, it's got similar
movements, but the whole ethos 

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is the polar opposite, like it's
the counterculture of 

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gymnastics. 
Reminds me of it's like a 

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skating culture reminds me of 
the skating culture, just 

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without the skateboard. 
That's what it reminds me of. 

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But what at what point or what 
happens when at what point did 

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you get to where you like? 
I want to take this up a notch. 

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I want to challenge myself in 
different ways and which sort of

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led you onto. 
I know you went into climbing 

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and then LED you on to the tyre 
flipping and the ultras and all 

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this. 
What What changed in you to get 

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to lead you onto those paths? 
I don't think anything really 

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changed per SE, but the deeper I
got into free running, the 

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deeper I got into because the 
culture has changed a lot with 

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free running. 
Like I'm very old school when it

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comes to it. 
Like I, I, I like the, the 

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discipline that it gives you. 
Like we was talking about the 

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auto regulation, but then it is 
like a discipline to it. 

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The roots are very much military
and martial arts and things like

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that. 
Whereas like these days, it's 

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it's their own thing and there's
not so much of that. 

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And it's a lot more competitive 
and like they're a lot more 

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varied. 
Whereas I liked the old school 

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approach of like, this is how we
train. 

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This is the discipline and the 
values behind it. 

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Like the ethos behind it was 
amazing to me. 

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And like the sort of founding 
fathers of parkour, the ones 

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that popularized it basically 
turned it into a sport. 

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They had this saying at tray for
poor at tray UTI be strong to be

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useful. 
And I like it so much. 

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I've got a tattooed on me. 
But that sort of message I 

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whenever I think about why do I 
train? 

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Like why do I like doing the 
things I do? 

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And it's all about that sort of 
well, I want to be able to rock 

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up and do anything at any point.
And then that sort of led me 

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into like other styles of 
training because I was like, if 

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I can't do this, then what's the
point in doing all of this other

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stuff? 
Like if I can't turn up to a 

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strongman competition and 
compete, what's the point? 

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If I can't turn up to a high 
rocks and compete? 

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If I can't do an ultra marathon 
without training, like what is 

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the point? 
So that sort of led me into 

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being more varied in my training
and just wanting to be ready for

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anything at any time. 
And then that led me into like 

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the fire service because it's 
like you have to be ready for 

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your job at any time. 
You don't know when someone's 

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going to be trapped in a burning
building and you've got a lift 

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fucking burning log off them. 
Or like, you don't know when 

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you're going to be hiking up a 
mountain at 2:00 AM because some

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fucking little shit set the 
mountain on fire and you've got.

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Territory. 
Yeah, like you just, you don't 

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know. 
So you just have to be ready for

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your job. 
And a lot of people get 

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complacent because life is very 
safe these days. 

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Like being a firefighter. 
I hate saying it. 

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It's quite easy. 
Like these days, it really is. 

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It's really hard to get into 
because so many people apply for

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so few jobs. 
But once you're in, you can get 

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lazy because it's not really 
life and death most of the time.

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Health and safety, Imagine. 
Yeah, and like just things are 

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built to not burn like they used
to. 

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Like most things that are like 
all your furniture now is going 

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to have some level of being fire
retardant whereas everything 

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used to just be wood so 
everything would go up in 

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flames. 
Will is moaning that there's not

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enough fires these days. 
There's not enough fire. 

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Bring back fires. 
Yeah, firefighters like it is 

449
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,520
really easy. 
Like I was talking to people 

450
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,920
that have been in the job for 
like 10 plus years and I was 

451
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,400
like, have you ever been in a 
life and death situation? 

452
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,840
No. 
And it's like that sums it up 

453
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,560
and it's great. 
That is safe, but it is that 

454
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,440
makes the job really easy. 
But then my view was always, but

455
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,240
what about that one time where 
it goes wrong and you're out of 

456
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,240
shape and there's a lot, Again, 
I'm slagging people off here and

457
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,720
there's a lot of out of shape 
firefighters and they just do 

458
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,200
enough to pass the fitness test 
each year, which isn't that 

459
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,000
hard. 
So then it was like, well, like,

460
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,360
why are you only at that level? 
Why do you not see that there 

461
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,920
could be one day and you might 
not be ready for that day? 

462
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,160
That really bugged me. 
But that's, that's my attitude 

463
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,800
towards it. 
And yeah, that's what led me 

464
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,240
then into the challenges and 
stuff because I was like, I want

465
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,120
to push this side of it more 
like especially after I left the

466
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,080
fire service and I wasn't 
frontline and then I didn't have

467
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,960
that urgency to my training. 
Well, it was like, well, I need 

468
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,680
something to because otherwise 
I'm like, well, I don't need to 

469
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,400
be at that level. 
Like once I left, I was like, I 

470
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,720
don't need to be there. 
So how, how do I then motivate 

471
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,360
myself to train? 
Because it's so easy. 

472
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,040
Like I'm going to skip today. 
Like no one's life's on the line

473
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,240
anymore. 
Whereas it's now like, well, 

474
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,680
I've got this big challenge 
coming up. 

475
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,160
So it's like, well, I want to be
ready for that. 

476
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760
You have to be ready. 
You have to be ready. 

477
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Well, let's talk about your 
first. 

478
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,360
This is probably one of your 
first big challenges or maybe 

479
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,480
one of the most well known 
recently was the the world 

480
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,840
record tire flip right? 
So the what was it you had to 

481
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,920
you? 
You were aiming to flip a 

482
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:42,360
massive 50 kilogram, 100 
kilogram tractor tire for a 

483
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,280
world record for the longest 
distance. 

484
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,320
Was it a marathon that was your 
target? 

485
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,240
I. 
Was very ambitious with this, 

486
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,160
overly ambitious, but I knew I 
was going into it. 

487
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,680
But again, this is this is where
it really started with the whole

488
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,880
social media thing and me 
getting sucked into it because I

489
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,680
said that because I was like, 
this will get clicks. 

490
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,400
The world record for flipping a 
tractor tire in 24 hours was 6.7

491
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,480
miles. 
I want to say at the time or 

492
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,560
currently still is. 
And then I was like, well, I'm 

493
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,080
going to beat that. 
And I want to keep going until I

494
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,680
hit a marathon. 
And I was like, yeah, that will 

495
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,480
get clicks. 
Like everyone can relate to a 

496
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,200
marathon. 
In my head I was already 

497
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,200
justifying if I do a half 
marathon that's already more 

498
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,840
than the world record and I 
like, I don't care if I do it in

499
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,920
the 24 hours. 
I will just keep going till I've

500
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,080
done 1/2 marathon. 
And that's still like, Oh yeah, 

501
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,920
like you didn't do the big goal.
But that's got me all these 

502
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,000
followers and likes and sponsors
and shit like that. 

503
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,120
But I've still done this like 
pretty cool thing. 

504
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:53,080
And then I managed to do 6 miles
in 15 hours and then I tore my 

505
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,760
bicep. 
So I was well on track for the 

506
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,400
world record and I remember 
waking up the next day and my 

507
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,680
body didn't feel fucked. 
It was literally just my bicep 

508
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,880
tear. 
That was the only thing that 

509
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,280
hurt and I was like, I really 
could have kept going if it 

510
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,680
wasn't for the injury. 
So that was a fucking piss take 

511
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,480
but. 
What was the what have you 

512
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,640
learned through that failure 
that you wouldn't have learned 

513
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,400
through success? 
Did you take anything from that?

514
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:25,200
Any lessons I. 
Don't think I did at the time. 

515
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,520
I just, I could. 
I went into a bit of a dark 

516
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,600
place again after that with my 
mental health because that was 

517
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,840
the first time I've really said 
I was going to do something and 

518
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,000
didn't do it. 
And that bothered me. 

519
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,880
And it's still in the back of my
mind, that tire flip. 

520
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,880
But now I think, again, it's 
coming back to all the things 

521
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,400
I'm thinking about recently 
where it's like, why did I want 

522
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,320
to do that in the 1st place? 
Was it because I wanted to do 

523
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,000
this big challenge and like I 
did want to do it? 

524
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,240
I said I was going to do that 
challenge before I announced it,

525
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560
before it was a big thing, 
before I'd even done my other 

526
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,680
challenges, before that. 
That was on my list. 

527
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,840
But making such a big deal out 
of it, that was because it was 

528
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,920
like, well, I feel like I have 
to because this is my job and 

529
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,400
I'm trying to fundraise and I 
won't clicks and I want 

530
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:27,480
subscribers and all of that. 
And that took away from the joy 

531
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,160
of the challenge and like why I 
did it. 

532
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:35,040
I started learning now that I 
don't need to suffer for these 

533
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,200
challenges to be worthwhile, 
whereas I was very much in the 

534
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,760
thing of it doesn't matter if it
hurts, fucking keep going and it

535
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,160
doesn't have to be fun. 
You don't, you shouldn't be 

536
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,560
enjoying this. 
The fact that I was telling 

537
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,160
myself that I shouldn't be 
enjoying it, like, yeah, that 

538
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,320
says a lot. 
So. 

539
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,080
Brill. 
But like, are you going to, you 

540
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,320
have to revisit it surely maybe 
not in the in the immediate 

541
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,360
future, but at some point you've
got to go back and nail that. 

542
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:09,680
No, I I've always said that I 
will, but again I'm questioning 

543
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:16,040
why, why, why do I have to Like,
I gave it a fucking good shot. 

544
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,560
I yeah, I did work my ass off 
for it. 

545
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,000
I know what I could improve if I
ever tried again. 

546
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,000
But I'm like, there's other 
things I want to do. 

547
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800
Like why do I want to obsess 
over something just because I 

548
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600
haven't done it? 
Like it's OK to try and not do a

549
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,680
thing. 
Like you know who? 

550
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,240
Who cares at the end of the day?
Does it make a difference to to 

551
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,080
anyone's life other than mine? 
No, no one else gives a fuck. 

552
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,800
You've. 
Moved on. 

553
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,880
Yeah, you've moved. 
On I'm a runner Now. 

554
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280
Yeah, you're a runner now, but 
let's talk about that. 

555
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,160
So literally like a year or two 
ago, you weren't a runner. 

556
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,440
I'm now class. 
Myself as a runner, then I had. 

557
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Run. 
Yeah, but but you've, you've now

558
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,520
entered the endurance running 
scene, often taking podium 

559
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,800
places in some of these races, 
which then LED you on to 

560
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,880
tackling the six in six 
challenge where you were going 

561
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,640
to tackle 6 ultra marathons in 
six days like 1 after another. 

562
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,280
And these were, these were 
already organized events that go

563
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320
on in the in Wales, isn't it? 
So that you had your roots set 

564
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,080
out, you achieved that, you did 
that. 

565
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:30,400
But what happens to your body 
after sort of day three, but 

566
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,920
nobody warns you about? 
Did you notice anything? 

567
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Did anything surprise you going 
through this hardship that no 

568
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,800
one had warned you was going to 
happen? 

569
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,440
Yeah. 
Incontinence. 

570
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,640
No, genuinely, most things went 
really, really well. 

571
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,440
I remember running on day three 
thinking I was injured and you 

572
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,080
can see like my gates off a 
little bit, but there's a video 

573
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,920
of me finishing day three. 
So I've done 40 miles day 130 

574
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400
miles day 2. 
Also doing the next 40 miler, 

575
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,720
which is around this way. 
Actually, that's the the one pan

576
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,600
after yeah Porf. 
Is it porf cool to pan off or I?

577
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,480
Think so. 
Yeah, I think so. 

578
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Whichever way round it is, I 
always get confused. 

579
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,200
Too many. 
PS So yeah, it was on that one. 

580
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400
And there's a video of me 
finishing it and it's like an 

581
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,760
ever so slight uphill. 
But once you've run that far, 

582
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,920
like, you know, it's an uphill. 
And I was, I was running like 

583
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,960
running, running like faster 
than a lot of people can run. 

584
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Not like trying to brag or 
anything, but like you can see 

585
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,600
like there's a decent stride 
there because it's the last like

586
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,320
200 meters. 
It's like, yeah, I'm going. 

587
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,800
And I knew that there was 
someone there video in and it 

588
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,360
was being sent to ITV Wales. 
So I was like, yeah, I got. 

589
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,760
But like I was like in my head I
was like, oh, I'm injured, but I

590
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,000
wasn't really injured. 
I got really injured on day 

591
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,880
five. 
And then I was like, OK, this is

592
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,640
the difference between being 
injured and being injured. 

593
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,520
But like most things went really
well. 

594
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Like I was sleeping good. 
I was, yeah, eating enough. 

595
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,080
Nothing really came out of the 
blue when I got injured. 

596
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,360
The days got slower. 
So I went from doing like, I 

597
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:29,760
don't know, like a 7-8 hour 50K 
to like a 1516 hour 50K. 

598
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,440
Yeah, because I was, I was 
walking a lot because I was 

599
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960
fucked. 
I would still try and run and I 

600
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280
was still hitting some like 
decent paces, but they would be 

601
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080
very short bursts and then I'd 
lie down afterwards. 

602
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,920
So like, most of that went 
really well. 

603
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,480
I was having quite a bad mental 
health spot going into the 

604
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,400
challenge anyway, and my sleep 
was all over the place, so I was

605
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,440
going into it probably like 
quite sleep deprived on the last

606
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,720
day. 
I kept having to have trail 

607
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,520
naps, so I would just lie on the
floor and there's so many 

608
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,880
pictures of me just lying, 
looking like a dead body. 

609
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,800
But then all the people that are
running with me, like Crouch 

610
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,920
down around me, like if I'm a 
campfire or something, countless

611
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,880
pictures of that. 
But then after the challenge 

612
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:28,080
finished, then my brain would 
just switch off as if I'm still 

613
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,320
doing the challenge. 
So I remember the night I got 

614
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,480
back and someone had run me a 
bath. 

615
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,440
So I was there ready and I get 
home, I get in the bath and I'm 

616
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,880
lying back and I put my head on 
the back of the bath and I 

617
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,000
closed my eyes for a minute and 
I get up in a panic thinking 

618
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,320
that I've got up from a trail 
nap. 

619
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,480
And I jump out in the bath as if
I'm going to go running and I'm 

620
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,120
drying myself off. 
Like fuck, I'm running. 

621
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,240
And then I'm like, why would I 
dry myself off before a run? 

622
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,320
I was like, I'm home, like 
relax. 

623
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,320
And then the next day I went to 
work and I did a spin class And 

624
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,160
after my spin class, I went to 
the shops and I was getting a 

625
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,280
lift back because I couldn't 
drive because I I was injured. 

626
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,480
Like I was on crutches. 
And as I'm walking from ALDI 

627
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,520
back to work, which is literally
like 100 meters, like it's 

628
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,360
really not far. 
At some point my brain switched 

629
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,840
into running mode. 
And the next thing I know, I'm 

630
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,360
running down the cycle path, 
turning around, asking my crew 

631
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,760
who aren't there for my poles. 
And I'm in like fucking slippers

632
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,360
because I can't put normal shoes
on because my feet are so 

633
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,800
swollen. 
And I'm like, where's my poles? 

634
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,400
And then I'm like, oh, they 
don't know where I am. 

635
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,000
Oh, I haven't started my watch. 
So I start my watch because that

636
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,920
was my live tracker and I was 
like, oh, they've just lost me 

637
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,280
because they haven't got my live
track. 

638
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,239
So I turn that on and I keep 
running and I bump into someone 

639
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,600
and I basically had like a 
mental breakdown because they 

640
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,040
were like, what are you doing? 
Well, like, are you OK? 

641
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,360
And I was like, I'm running now,
like, are you OK? 

642
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,239
And I was just like, I don't 
know where I am. 

643
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Like I didn't recognize anything
and I had to go get picked up 

644
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,120
and I didn't recognize the 
person picking me up or 

645
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,320
anything. 
Like it was, yeah, a bit of a. 

646
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Sounds like you absolutely 
battered, like exhausted PTSD 

647
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,800
maybe like from it all you've 
you've just driven yourself into

648
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,720
the ground when you weren't in a
good place anyway. 

649
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,840
And yeah, you're going to have 
some funny symptoms like that. 

650
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,680
Also it now. 
Yeah. 

651
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,680
You know where you are. 
You know you don't have to run 

652
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,520
off now. 
No, I'm not just going to get up

653
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,600
and start running. 
Oh, thank God for that. 

654
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480
You, you train across a lot of 
disciplines. 

655
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Strength plyometrics is a big 
one. 

656
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,560
I see that I that you do that 
other people don't. 

657
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,760
Endurance running. 
What's the hidden link most 

658
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,000
people miss between all these 
types of training? 

659
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,720
What's, what's the one thing 
that people aren't doing which 

660
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:45,400
they could really bloody benefit
from? 

661
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,040
I just, it's, it's all just 
training. 

662
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,360
Like it's just fun at the end of
the day. 

663
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,880
It's really just the Russians 
got like a program GPP, general 

664
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,520
physical preparedness. 
So it's basically what I like 

665
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,920
doing is you just do show all of
these athletic qualities and 

666
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,120
then you specialize later or 
like I try and specialize when 

667
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,240
I'm doing a challenge. 
So if I'm doing a running 

668
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:18,840
challenge, everything comes back
a bit and my running goes up a 

669
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,000
bit. 
I still try and maintain it all.

670
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,000
If I then want to do a high 
rocks, I know within, like if I 

671
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,040
wanted to do well in a high 
rocks, maybe 4 weeks of 

672
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,560
training, I would see like a 
significant improvement because 

673
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,520
I've got the base there because 
I just do everything year round.

674
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,760
And then I just specialize a bit
more and be like, OK, I'll do a 

675
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,520
few more intervals, like 1K 
intervals, do some more speed 

676
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,040
work, and I'll do the specific 
stations, figure out what my 

677
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,000
weaknesses are and just double 
down on them. 

678
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,560
Four weeks. 
And then that puts me in a 

679
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,920
really good spot. 
Yeah, no one does that like you.

680
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,880
Stay ready. 
You never have to get ready, 

681
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480
right? 
Yeah, and it's the Russians just

682
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,320
do it like, and it's probably 
bad comparing it to the Russians

683
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,800
and the Chinese because what 
they'll do is they'll train all 

684
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,600
of the kids like that. 
And then when they get to a 

685
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,760
certain age and they can start 
saying like, oh, their frame is 

686
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,280
built for rugby or, or they're 
getting really tall, they'll be 

687
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,080
good at basketball. 
Then they take them out of that 

688
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,040
and then they specialize them 
for that sport. 

689
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,480
And it's like, it's a really 
good system. 

690
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Like if you want elite athletes,
it's probably not the most 

691
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,920
ethical, but it's forgetting top
level and that's why they do so 

692
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,800
well. 
Don't forget the juicing program

693
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,080
as well. 
But like when you look at how 

694
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,640
they just train in general, like
there is a lot of just general 

695
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,040
physical preparedness, 
especially in Russia where it's 

696
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,160
just like, we want to train all 
of these qualities. 

697
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,960
And then when you get older, you
can go off and specialize. 

698
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,040
And that's what free running 
gave me. 

699
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,200
I had like all of the athletic 
qualities. 

700
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,400
I could run, I could jump, I 
could absorb force, I could 

701
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,800
produce force. 
I could change directions really

702
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,760
quick. 
I became really agile. 

703
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,600
And it's like now that I'm older
and I'm like, well, I want to go

704
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
rock climbing. 
It's like, well, I can, I've got

705
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,520
that base. 
Oh, I want to do Olympic 

706
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,240
lifting. 
And even if it's something 

707
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:20,840
really new to me, like because 
the way that my brain works 

708
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
processing movements, I've got 
lots of things that I can draw 

709
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,960
inspiration from. 
And I'm like, oh, this is a 

710
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,840
similar movement. 
Like doing an Olympic lift is 

711
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,040
very similar to doing a jump. 
So I learned it quite quickly 

712
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,600
because I'm like, oh, like this 
feels the same. 

713
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,720
So you just make those 
connections and then you learn 

714
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,400
quicker because it's compared to
something you've already done 

715
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,160
where someone that hasn't 
trained before trying to teach 

716
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,080
them to Olympic lift and they've
like, they can't remember the 

717
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,720
last time they did a jump 
because how many people jump 

718
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,880
these days? 
It's like they find it really 

719
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160
hard. 
And it's like, well, I can learn

720
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,280
things quick because I've got 
this awareness of my body. 

721
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,920
And I just, yeah, I don't think 
enough people do do. 

722
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,800
Do the other stuff. 
You've, as we said, you've come 

723
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,160
onto the endurance running 
scene. 

724
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,440
You're doing really bloody well,
winning second place, third 

725
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,120
place, whatever. 
You get in, you know what? 

726
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,080
But podiuming, podiuming, right,
You're getting up there, you're 

727
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,800
in the and you've come from. 
What is it about your training? 

728
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Can you pinpoint the type, the 
types of training that other 

729
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,840
people aren't doing that other 
has enabled you to come into 

730
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,840
this? 
Because I'd imagine a lot of 

731
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,160
people just run, right? 
You do the strengths, you do the

732
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,040
plyometrics. 
Do you feel that that's given 

733
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,240
you a massive benefit that it's 
made easier for you to just sort

734
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,280
of walk, waltz in and pick up 
those trophies like? 

735
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:51,360
Well the strength stuff has made
me robust so I can handle upping

736
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,920
my load very quickly whereas 
most people can't. 

737
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,320
So I could go from nothing to 
running an ultra like I said 

738
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,600
when I started. 
I would get injured and then I 

739
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
did the same thing for my next 
two ultras, but I would be less 

740
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,760
injured each time because I'd 
built more of a best base each 

741
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,000
time, even though I didn't train
for my first 3 ultras at all 

742
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,720
really. 
And then that, I mean, my third 

743
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:21,240
one was last year. 
So I've gone from 3 / a five 

744
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,640
year period and getting injured 
after each one to I'm on 22 

745
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,040
ultras this year now. 
So like the jumps be massive, 

746
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,600
but I can make that jump because
of my strength training. 

747
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,920
I've got that base. 
So I get injured less. 

748
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,160
When I get injured, I can 
recover quicker. 

749
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,280
And I don't just like not do 
stuff when I'm injured. 

750
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,120
Like a lot of runners, when 
they're injured, they're like, 

751
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,880
well, I can't run, so I'm just 
going to not run. 

752
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,280
And it's like, well, I've got 
all these other things that I 

753
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,560
enjoy doing, I can go off and do
and I'm still active, I've still

754
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,400
got my fitness. 
I'm not losing anything by not 

755
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
training. 
And then I can just jump back in

756
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,640
when I'm ready. 
So that's like 1 aspect. 

757
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,480
I'm really good at rehab. 
I've been injured so much. 

758
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,800
Like I've got, I've got it 
nailed. 

759
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Like people come to me for, 
well, people come to me for 

760
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,160
injury advice and then they'll 
go and see their physios and 

761
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,840
then they'll be like, oh, this 
is like my friend or my coach 

762
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,400
has planned this for me. 
And then the physios like I've 

763
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,840
never had bad feedback from the 
physio being like, oh, I 

764
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,440
wouldn't do that. 
It's always been like, Oh no, 

765
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,040
that's really good, stick to 
doing that. 

766
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,960
And then they haven't given 
anything else because they're 

767
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,560
like, you've got it covered. 
So I'm like, OK, cool. 

768
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,440
I'm happy with that. 
So like, my rehab process is 

769
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,200
literally. 
And that's just from years of 

770
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,280
being injured and doing it 
myself and then realizing how 

771
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,760
important it is to stick to 
because it's so common. 

772
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,120
You just get bored of it. 
And it's like, I'm doing this 

773
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,200
banded exercise for my ankle 
again. 

774
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,520
And then you're hard. 
Just stop doing it. 

775
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,840
Yeah, not helping. 
But then because I've been 

776
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,560
through it and I've seen the 
benefits so many times, I'm 

777
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,120
like, cool, I'm going to be 
religious about this. 

778
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,800
And it's how I went from after 
the 6th, for example, I was on 

779
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,440
crutches for a month, then I was
off crutches for a week. 

780
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Well, the day I came off 
crutches I did the Welsh Free 

781
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Peaks, not the world, the 
Abergavenny Three Peaks. 

782
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,680
So I did that. 
So that's not an easy day out. 

783
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,920
And then a week later I did the 
rhythm again as the actual event

784
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,480
and I came top ten and I was a 
week off crutches. 

785
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:27,960
So it's like, yeah, I could feel
the niggle, but I was like, it's

786
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160
not getting worse. 
So I'm not damaging it more. 

787
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,400
I just have to put up with the 
pain and know that it's not 

788
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,400
getting worse and then I can 
still perform. 

789
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,480
So there's that imply metrics 
like no one does plyometrics. 

790
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,240
They're great, They're amazing. 
And everyone's like, I look like

791
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,160
an idiot, look like an idiot 
when you get out on the trails 

792
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,760
and you're racing like you'll 
thank yourself. 

793
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,840
I see you bounded around 
everywhere in your little on 

794
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,600
your Instagram Reels and stuff 
like that. 

795
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,360
I'm like, it must be something 
in that because you do you're 

796
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,520
doing so well in the running. 
Yeah, but it's also I just, I 

797
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,760
like doing it. 
Like it is fun, but like I've 

798
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,840
got clients. 
I had a client who was doing the

799
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,000
slam and she can run for the 
last month of the slam because 

800
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,280
she was dealing with this 
injury. 

801
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,680
She had this injury since before
she came to me and then it was 

802
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,120
like, well, you've signed up mid
slam so we just got to get 

803
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,440
through the races and then we're
going to tone back your running 

804
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,440
and focus on recovering. 
But for now, because you've got 

805
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
this goal, we just have to, it's
like important to you. 

806
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,040
So we will just sacrifice a bit 
of our health for it and that's 

807
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,360
OK. 
I think everyone does that, but 

808
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,000
it's like being aware of it that
people don't do. 

809
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,280
But like the last month we 
didn't do any running at all. 

810
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,480
No speed work. 
And we just did strength 

811
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,680
training and she was happy with 
how she felt on the day because 

812
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,880
she was like, I haven't run for 
a month and I feel like I'm 

813
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,680
going to be really shit at 
running, but I wasn't actually 

814
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,560
that bad. 
And I'm like, yeah, because 

815
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,880
you've been doing strength stuff
like it helps. 

816
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Wasting away. 
You're not sat there atrophy and

817
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,360
you know your muscles, you're 
sort of keeping them, keeping 

818
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,680
them going. 
I like it. 

819
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,640
And then I've got another client
who everyone knows. 

820
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Dan Morgan. 
Plot TV does every fucking race 

821
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,400
under the sun. 
Where's? 

822
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,960
That's what he says, isn't it? 
And he's he's on a plan with me 

823
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,840
now and I've got him doing more 
pliers than I do because he 

824
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,000
loves it as well. 
But he's seeing the benefit 

825
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,800
because he'd never really like 
done him as structured as I've 

826
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,560
given him. 
Same with his strength work that

827
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,440
now when he's doing these races,
he's like, that's the best I 

828
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,240
felt after race and he's like, I
could push more but like I was 

829
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,920
having my fun bus. 
But he's like now I feel like 

830
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,400
there's more in the tank and he 
wants to like explore that a bit

831
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,480
more. 
And that's really exciting for 

832
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,480
me because he's known for doing 
like these incredible challenges

833
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,800
of like the dance slam, like 
it's literally named after him. 

834
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,240
Like he does the Pegasus Slam 
with the 200 miler, with the 100

835
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,840
milers, then he goes off to 
Canada to do a 200 miler all in 

836
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,560
a year. 
And it's just like he's known 

837
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,200
for that. 
So for him to be training with 

838
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,920
me and then being like, I can 
really see a benefit from what 

839
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,800
you're doing with me, I'm just 
like over the moon with that. 

840
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,320
Yeah. 
No, he's done really well. 

841
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,600
To be fair. 
He's done really well. 

842
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,160
Last question that Will, I'll 
end on this. 

843
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,200
What's the lesson from all your 
challenges and all your training

844
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,080
that you carry through to in 
into everyday life? 

845
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:39,760
It's probably something that I'm
battling with myself a lot 

846
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,600
recently and it's super simple, 
but I really struggle with it. 

847
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,160
Don't take it too seriously. 
And like, I think that's been 

848
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,720
like the theme of this podcast, 
right? 

849
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,720
Is I've been like, don't, don't 
think too much. 

850
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,920
Just fucking get out and do it. 
And like, set yourself these 

851
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,520
goals, but don't obsess over 
them. 

852
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Don't get too caught up in the 
hype around them. 

853
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,200
Don't go out and do it for you. 
I'm just, yeah, it's the same 

854
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,480
with life. 
Just like do what you want to 

855
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,960
do. 
Like don't take it too 

856
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,520
seriously. 
And I struggle with that. 

857
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,840
Like, I struggle a lot with my 
mental health and I, I'm really 

858
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,200
struggling at the minute. 
And I have to keep reminding 

859
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:26,600
myself like, it's not that deep.
Like I get paid to do the shit 

860
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,480
that I'm doing. 
And I've got this reputation of 

861
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,800
like, being this like person 
that just gets to go off and 

862
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,800
have these adventures. 
My brand is called Adventure 

863
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,320
Athletes. 
And then I'm at home, like 

864
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,200
stressing being like, oh, we've 
got bills to pay. 

865
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,600
And it's like I can always get a
job. 

866
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,360
Like if I wanted to, I can go 
out and get a job and stack 

867
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,240
shelves in Tesco's or whatever. 
Like if I really cared about 

868
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,040
money, I wouldn't be doing the 
things that I'm doing now, but I

869
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600
probably wouldn't be as happy. 
Like I wouldn't get the 

870
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,240
opportunities I get. 
Like I've got so many stories 

871
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,840
from this year from quitting 
like a full time job to doing 

872
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,360
this full time. 
And I'm like, at some point it's

873
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,160
probably going to fail and I'm 
going to have to give it up and 

874
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,520
do something a bit more serious.
And then I'll be looking back at

875
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,040
this and being like, what a 
fucking year I've had or like 2 

876
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,320
years or five years, however 
long this might last. 

877
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,480
And then I'll be annoyed at 
myself for taking it too 

878
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,960
seriously when I'm in it and 
being like, oh, I'm stressed 

879
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,360
about this. 
Oh, I got to deal. 

880
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,720
Fucking shut up and go on with 
it. 

881
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:33,920
Like you'd live in the dream. 
Really. 

882
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,760
Like I feel privileged. 
I like that. 

883
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,200
No regrets either. 
Because imagine you didn't try. 

884
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,320
You didn't have a bash, you 
didn't have a goal. 

885
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,240
You'd regret it so much looking 
back on that's what. 

886
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:47,760
That was my time. 
And then, as you said, like, and

887
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,840
then you did try it and you're 
like, oh, bloody, I was 

888
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,640
miserable all the time because I
was moaning by everything. 

889
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,520
Now bloody just yeah. 
Don't take it too seriously. 

890
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Yeah, you will. 
You will. 

891
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,200
I like that. 
Don't take it. 

892
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,600
Don't take it too seriously. 
Like when I look back over the 

893
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:05,400
past year, I've done so much 
like so much that I not just in 

894
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,640
my challenges and in my ultras 
and stuff, but like for other 

895
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,440
people as well. 
But that's what's like really 

896
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,880
important to me is like, I think
you need the thing for yourself,

897
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,080
but you need the thing for other
people. 

898
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,640
What you do for others, whether 
that's the podcast, whether 

899
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,480
that's me going out and 
supporting other people's events

900
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:29,400
and being their crew or like 
arranging day trips for people 

901
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,240
and doing the fucking Welsh 
three peaks, Abbott of any three

902
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,480
peaks. 
So in like community hikes and 

903
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,760
organizing to go to Ninja 
warrior and shit like that. 

904
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,720
It's like they're all like, you 
stress about them in the build 

905
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,480
up and like, I got to do this 
and oh, why did I agree to this?

906
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,800
And then you look back and 
you're like, they had an amazing

907
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
time and I really enjoyed being 
there and helping them with it. 

908
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,360
And I'm getting paid to do it. 
And it's like, why the fuck am I

909
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,840
stressed? 
Like, yeah. 

910
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,400
And I think, yeah, people just 
need to put their life into 

911
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,880
perspective and just be like, if
you look back on your life, what

912
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,680
bits are you remembering? 
Do more of that. 

913
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,320
Yeah, it's simple really, isn't 
it? 

914
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,240
It's simple really. 
Will where can people follow you

915
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,160
if they want to follow your 
journey, If they want to sign, 

916
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,480
get you as a coach? 
Where, where are you going to 

917
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,440
direct them? 
So adventure athletes website, 

918
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,680
just Google adventure athletes 
will come up. 

919
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,760
Got the podcast, we've got my 
training Instagram account, got 

920
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,400
my personal Instagram account. 
Too many accounts. 

921
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,360
I get overwhelmed by social 
media and messages and stuff. 

922
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,760
I love helping people, so it's 
like the payoff. 

923
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,320
Yeah, I'd love to go off grid, 
but it's not how business works,

924
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,160
unfortunately. 
If anyone wants to just pay me 

925
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,280
to run off, actually I've got to
do this. 

926
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,480
Just on the off chance that it 
could happen. 

927
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,120
I'm looking for sponsorship 
right now, very specific 

928
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,960
sponsorship. 
You're going to love this. 

929
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,040
I want to be sponsored by a 
pickle brand. 

930
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,640
I've since the six. 
I love gherkins. 

931
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,520
I eat them out the jar now and 
it's so good for ultras, like 

932
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:22,720
drinking the, the pickle juice. 
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't know 

933
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,200
this was a thing. 
I, you hear like Americans do it

934
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,000
and whatnot. 
And I was like, no, surely. 

935
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,560
And then on day 5 of it, I was 
like, I've I want some Pickles. 

936
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Like getting the electrolytes 
and everything back in it is 

937
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,320
really good fuel. 
And I'm sat there in my like, 

938
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,440
delirious state trying to get 
Pickles out the jar and I just, 

939
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,760
I couldn't be bothered anymore. 
So I pick up the jar and I just 

940
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,040
drink out of it. 
It's like a shot. 

941
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,800
Like it's better than 
electrolyte drinks 100%. 

942
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,880
I see it all the time on the on 
the Facebook groups and stuff 

943
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,560
they're all banging on about. 
People, you ever have stomach 

944
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,680
issues, drink some, it will 
settle your stomach. 

945
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,160
Honestly best thing you can do 
full of electrolytes, things 

946
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,960
like that. 
It's great and it tastes 

947
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,240
amazing. 
Better than fucking those little

948
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,120
chews or whatever. 
Like no thanks, I'll have a 

949
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,760
pickle. 
And it's cheap as chips, yeah, 

950
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,040
like big job, £1.50 or 
something. 

951
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,760
Yeah, so. 
On a mission to get sponsored by

952
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,280
a pickle brand and I I will run 
100 Miller dressed as a pickle. 

953
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,640
Eating only pickle flavored 
things or like things where 

954
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,920
pickle is a main ingredient in 
it. 

955
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,960
Drinking only pickle juice out 
of my flasks. 

956
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,120
This is your next big challenge.
It's Rockman exclusive The 

957
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,880
Pickle 100 mile. 
OK, any. 

958
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,840
Pickle brands out there that 
want to sponsor me give me a 

959
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,600
shout like I am so up for it. 
Well, thank you very much. 

960
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,760
Thanks for coming on. 
It's been a great chat and we'll

961
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,120
we'll follow you and catch up 
soon. 

962
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,120
Absolute pleasure mate. 
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963
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,480
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964
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,440
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965
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,840
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966
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,480
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967
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:54,720
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