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And of course, we got to thank 44 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,640 those fine people at mid state drag way they are. 45 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,600 I mean, dude, as far as as far as in the Midwest, if you 46 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,360 haven't been to Havana, IL racing a mid state driveway, I 47 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,560 don't know where you're at right now because they got the best 48 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,800 bracket program hands down right now. 49 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,920 Twin 10s, cheap entry fees, constantly upgrading the 50 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,320 facilities. And then after it's all said and 51 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,360 done, it turns out that you'll show up to a twin 10 turns out 52 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,400 to be a 20 out of 10 or something like that. 53 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,800 They got quick sixteens. They got all kinds of stuff 54 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,280 going on, man, and those prices seemingly don't change up there, 55 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:20,880 man. That's one of the best places. 56 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,200 I that's probably my biggest regret of not living in the 57 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,600 Midwest right now is not being able to race at Mid State 58 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Dragway weekly. Yeah, I think I agree with that 59 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,480 100%, especially from a bracket racer standpoint. 60 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,640 Mid states always putting on a good show, but even if we were 61 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,800 to go away from bracket racing, they've always got something 62 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,040 going on that's pretty cool either from a nostalgia 63 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,960 standpoint. I believe Funny Car chaos may 64 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,320 show up out there every now and again, something of that nature. 65 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,920 There's always something going on out at that track. 66 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,600 But more importantly right now in into this podcast, Mid state 67 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,240 twin 10s believe this is the August 28th through 30th 68 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,480 edition. That's coming up next, $10,000 69 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,120 on a Friday on a Saturday and Sunday and Friday night gamblers 70 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,120 race. What I'm arguably the best 71 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,760 bracket program in the country right now, especially from that 72 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 local stance. If you ask me if you want to put 73 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,840 your name in the hat, sure, go ahead and give me a call or give 74 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:18,720 me a message. Show me what you guys got going 75 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,360 on that competes with this type of six weekend events. 76 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Expecting to see a huge turn out in these next couples for this 77 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,240 track, specially as we start getting in there closer tucked 78 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,040 into that OG million. This will be a good one to fill 79 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,000 out too right here on August 28th, 30th through the 30th. 80 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Get in where you fit in, you know, come on out here, you 81 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,760 better bring the A game because there's a lot of good racers out 82 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,560 there too. Not scare anybody off. 83 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Come, come have some fun. Casey. 84 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Ought to be a fun day. Man, There's one thing We we we 85 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,040 don't have to jump right into it because I got a few things to 86 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,720 say first. Holy drag racing is what I got 87 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,760 to say. Bracket racing was all over the 88 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,480 place this past weekend from World Footbreak Challenge. 89 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,800 Gage Birch. Yeah, I'll just leave that at 90 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:03,760 that. That's all you got to say. 91 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:10,920 To to to TB putting on 100 chaotic Bowling Green holy 92 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,160 fireworks show look like y'all put on the big fireworks out. 93 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,720 I'm talking about some fireworks. 94 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 I got to watch through motor manias live stream there for a 95 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,240 second. You got you got pennants and 96 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,320 brothers putting on a race out here at XRP holy fireworks show 97 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,440 holy drag race. It was a little hot out there, 98 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,320 but it was bearable because it was windy and the atmosphere was 99 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,720 perfect. You, you had gall *100 grander 100 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,280 over it. I think it was Cordova, was it 101 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,360 not Casey? I believe so. 102 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Holy bracket racing, That's all I got with bracket racers. 103 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Made some money this past weekend. 104 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,440 We got to add to that, Casey. Also, might as well while we're 105 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,360 at it, shout out old JJ Pennington. 106 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,080 Man getting his first win. Pretty cool deal getting to 107 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:02,000 have, as, as far as I'm aware, his first win at his dad's race. 108 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,600 His dad got to interview him. I mean, it's Riggins was there. 109 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,040 I mean it. I bet you they couldn't ask for 110 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,760 anything more as far as that goes. 111 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,440 Closing it out in the final round. 112 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,480 Let me make a quick correction too Casey. 113 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:20,560 I made AI made a typo and a flyer O as well Mid states next 114 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,320 race you guys might be happy about. 115 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:27,680 This is actually the 17th through the 19th of July, so 116 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,559 George put the wrong fire up here and you guys got about 10 117 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,919 days to get prepared. Great. 118 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,799 Thank you for keeping me honest over here, Greg. 119 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,760 I'll get that changed up. And same race though, guys. 10 120 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:47,680 grand Saturday, Sunday, 32 cars, Gamblers race, junior dragsters. 121 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,720 Shoot, come on. Now what? 122 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,800 What more can I say except for sorry about the date. 123 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,640 That's that's how tuned in mid state Dragway is the going 124 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,280 bracket racing live podcast though. 125 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Automatic correction. Don't get it wrong, George, 126 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,960 don't do that. So I need to slap my dog on 127 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,880 self. I turn on the. 128 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,360 I turn off the camera and do it later. 129 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:12,480 We, I think there's a lot of stuff to talk about this this 130 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,920 week because I mean, obviously if you pay attention to the 131 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,720 Going Bracket Racing Facebook page, I feel like I say that 132 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,880 every single week, but the reason you need to pay attention 133 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,480 is because of what happened this week. 134 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,280 Particularly. I like how you name this 135 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,720 business one O 1 too, because they got to make the money, man, 136 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,120 the tracks got to make the money to be able to stay open. 137 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,160 This isn't just for everybody, just to, you know, come and go 138 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,960 as they please. It's not you're not paying dues 139 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,440 here. You're only paying when you show 140 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,840 up. So what is it like getting real 141 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,360 close to 700 comments on that post I made about, I don't know, 142 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,320 24 hours ago? Something like that? 143 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:55,120 671 would be exact. Yeah, man, it's there's a lot to 144 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,400 unpack there and I appreciate everybody who commented on that 145 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,400 post because this is one of the things I was talking to my buddy 146 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,280 JP Miller about this and I said man, I said I am very surprised 147 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,240 that actually a lot of these comments are forward thinking 148 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,520 and trying to help the track. Because a lot of what comes out 149 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,640 on Facebook, particularly on anything, not just our stuff, is 150 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,360 usually you guys don't know anything about racing or bracket 151 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,400 racing sucks or all this that and the other it's usually 152 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,960 negative. But there was a there was 153 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,800 actually, I would say 95% of what's in here is actually 154 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,200 trying to be helpful and help the sport. 155 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,240 And I appreciate each and everyone of you that commented 156 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,240 in a positive way or not even I don't even care. 157 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Like you can look at it positive or negative. 158 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,840 The thing that a lot of people don't realize is that you don't 159 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,920 have to agree with everybody all the time. 160 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,320 That's where everybody's got stuff screwed up right now, 161 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,480 especially on social media. Everybody can have their own 162 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,040 opinion as long as your opinion is validated with facts or like 163 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,200 saying, I think this because of this, not just I think this 164 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,640 because that guy told me to have your own opinion. 165 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,280 That's fine. And a lot of people did in this 166 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,760 scenario there. I, I really appreciate a lot of 167 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,960 these people. They would write full paragraphs 168 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,280 as like, this is what's happening at my local facility. 169 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,520 This is what we did to fix it. This worked or it didn't work, 170 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,360 but we're all in the same sport, we're all in different areas. 171 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,760 But what people don't realize is the going bracket race and 172 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,840 Facebook pages essentially worldwide. 173 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,280 We have people from Australia commenting on that type of stuff 174 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,840 and explaining they were having the same issue and we did XYZ 175 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,600 and figured that out. I guess let's just get into why 176 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,320 that post was even made. If you were paying attention to 177 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,400 the Internet at all last week you saw, I feel like it started 178 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,840 really with Darlington Dragway explaining to people why their 179 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,840 bracket program was doing XYZ and you know, Bear got jumped 180 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,920 for all that type of stuff. Just literally state and facts 181 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,800 and then Mooresville Dragway put out a, a spreadsheet 182 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,880 essentially, I guess you could call that's not really a 183 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,080 spreadsheet, but it's just a line item list of saying this is 184 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,360 what it costs to operate our facility during these events. 185 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,760 Then summer Duck basically agreed and re shared it and 186 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,480 said, hey, we're you know, it's it's pretty much secluded over 187 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,200 here to the East Coast, particularly the North SC area 188 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,280 right now. But there were there were two 189 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:37,960 sides of the conversation which were not mentioned from both 190 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,480 sides, which were like the drivers, a lot of the drivers, a 191 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,000 lot of the racers, I guess I should say, people like us that 192 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,560 don't own the facilities were saying, well, where's the 193 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,520 buybacks in this? Where's spectator money? 194 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,720 Where's the concessions money? And I can see that that's, I 195 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,720 think they were talking more from a guaranteed standpoint 196 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,600 because you can't really count your chickens before they hatch. 197 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,040 But at the same time, I would like to back that up with what 198 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,960 they also didn't mention were what are property taxes? 199 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,760 What are mortgage rates? If there if there is any sort of 200 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,360 mortgage on the property, what is insurance cost? 201 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,760 What is what is clean up cost the following day? 202 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,080 What's lawn maintenance, what's general facility upkeep overall? 203 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,800 So let's just say those those two things cancel each other out 204 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,800 and get into the main topic of it is expensive to operate a 205 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,840 racetrack in 2026. Yeah, I mean, spot on too. 206 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,840 And, and I like the way you created this post. 207 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,360 It opened up dialogue and that's why we got a lot of dialogue off 208 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,440 of this particular post, Casey. It asked for opinions and 209 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,680 thoughts and opened up kind of a stage for people to to be able 210 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:53,560 to voice not just past experience and past thoughts or 211 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:59,000 or how they feel things were prior to today, today's bracket 212 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,200 racing or whatever you want to call it, but also offer up a 213 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,840 fix. So yeah, definitely special 214 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,080 shout out to you guys GBR community followers and non, 215 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,920 because I saw a lot of non followers commenting on that 216 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,000 post with some pretty insightful stuff there. 217 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,000 So you guys make sure to hit that follow button if you 218 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,320 haven't done so already. That help us out a whole bunch 219 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,800 over here GBR. But Casey man I titled this 220 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,880 thing is it is easy as business one O 1 on the Facebook side 221 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,640 because I always like to put a question out to Facebook for 222 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,320 some reason it catches the algorithm a little bit better. 223 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,080 You guys catch questions you like questions out of GBR. 224 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,680 So is it really that simple to where for a bracket race we got 225 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,680 to do XY and Z and then we should get a profit or ROI? 226 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,280 We are learning that in some places it's really not that 227 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,600 simple. And I don't know how to say that 228 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,400 it's that way across the board because I really don't think 229 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,040 that it is. I feel like it's market based 230 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,560 just about everywhere. Casey, we've talked about this. 231 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,520 You know, you're out there in North Carolina, you guys got 232 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,240 tracks everywhere, you got a lot of drag racers everywhere. 233 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,560 You race for more money than most places. 234 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,360 There's a lot of things in it. And then add into that it's a a 235 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,640 less than favorable economy. Fuel prices may be making their 236 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,280 way down. I'm not just pointing the 237 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,040 fingers at that because even when sometimes when fuel is 238 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,200 good, you still have a little bit of a problem. 239 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,560 But what I'm saying is that it's it's not, it's not perfect 240 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,240 bracket racing economy right now. 241 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,360 Does that have an impact on business? 242 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,600 The answer is obviously yes. But what do you think? 243 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Well, I mean, it's, it's exactly like you said in your earlier 244 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,840 statement, you were saying that you know what works over here 245 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,720 won't work over here. For example, on the East Coast, 246 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,040 we have very few quarter mile tracks on the West Coast. 247 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,720 They love running quarter mile. You know that there are people 248 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,800 commenting on there. They're not they're not racing 249 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,000 if they're if they're not running quarter mile. 250 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Well you don't like that's not an option here. 251 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,600 There's plenty of cars won't make it at the quarter mile out 252 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,560 here. So that's, that's just a 253 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,720 generalized example that everybody I'm sure is used to 254 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,280 hearing one way or the other in their in their circles. 255 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,840 And I had everybody's probably tired of hearing that because 256 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,600 let's be honest, we've been eight mile racing predominantly 257 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,480 at least the past 10 years and I'm pretty sure it goes back 258 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 further, OK. I mean, I can't remember. 259 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,520 So if you want to run a quarter mile, NHRA is the place to be. 260 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,000 It's not changed. It's been this way for a long 261 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,200 time. All right, last time the 262 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,360 literally Casey and this is how far back I, I date myself a 263 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,240 little bit. I still lived in Illinois. 264 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Gateway used to run super pro 8th and super mile. the Super 265 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,120 pro quarter. That's the last time I remember 266 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,360 running quarter mile. Same. 267 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,200 Same other than. 20 years ago. Yep. 268 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,839 And and it's not just a simple thing to do either because you 269 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,440 can't just run it to the sand trap. 270 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,680 You got to have shutdown. There's, I mean, there's simply 271 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,200 not room. There's you know, and, and also 272 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,680 anybody who wants to run quarter mile, if you have a quarter mile 273 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,640 facility near you, I would say 99.9% of them on a testing tune 274 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,200 not to let you run a quarter mile like they do it at 275 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,880 Kingston. Kingston doesn't run quarter 276 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,240 mile for racing for anything because everything's too fast. 277 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Like you'd never stop. But on testing tune you can. 278 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,840 If you if you got the balls to do it and you think you can 279 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,920 stop, go ahead or you can go to Darlington, you go to 280 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,240 Rockingham, you go to VMP, that'll let you run quarter 281 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,960 mile. This big open forum, guys, I'm 282 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,480 going to go straight to a chat right here. 283 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,320 This is going to be on YouTube. I believe it's coming out of 284 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,960 time where it's a long time follower. 285 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,080 What's up Tom? They're always keeping me on my 286 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:50,920 PS and QS with those marketing partners. 287 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,320 Appreciate that at all times, but time is Tom is saying, I 288 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,800 don't think you can expect a track operator to run at a loss. 289 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,200 So folks seem to believe it's OK for them to do. 290 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,800 So basically what he's saying is every now and again, yeah, you 291 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,600 might have a loss, but consistently equaling a loss, 292 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,360 that's not business one-on-one. OK? 293 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,960 That's why we titled this so. Thoughts, Casey? 294 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:23,360 Because that's seems to be what Darlington was hitting, hinting 295 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,520 at. I I personally, personally me, I 296 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,840 wish that in their comparison they would have put a side by 297 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,400 side. It's not apples to apples to say 298 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,160 bracket racing versus grudge racing or radio prep. 299 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,880 Not to me obviously. Those two events draw 2 separate 300 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:49,000 types of people I would have preferred to have seen, not 301 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,680 necessarily from all of the business like me. 302 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Just wanting to know before a comparison, what is the 303 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,440 difference between your radio race and your bracket race? 304 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,480 It would have given me a little bit more context. 305 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,280 What do you think? The difference would be the fact 306 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,760 that the radio race or the grudge race or whatever gets all 307 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,960 their money off of spectators. The bracket race is typically 308 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,440 supported by its racer base, and it always has been. 309 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,520 Ever since its inception, bracket racing has supported 310 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,880 itself for the most part. We all know bracket racing 311 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,320 doesn't put people in the stands. 312 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,720 It never has, and any people that are in the stands are 313 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,760 people that are racing there or people that are bracket racers 314 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,720 themselves, and that's a fact. But I think what a lot of people 315 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,520 have forgotten in the last 10 years because everything's going 316 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,000 so crazy with this big money racing, every track does not 317 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,120 need to have a high entry fee or low entry fee for that matter, 318 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:54,640 and an extremely high payout. There are still a lot of people 319 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,240 who will race for $1000. Maybe there's some loud voices 320 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,800 on there saying oh, I'm not going to unload for less than 321 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:01,840 five. Well guess what? 322 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,040 If your goal, let's just say for easy numbers, if your goal is to 323 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:12,120 make $1000 profit, well if you pay 5 grand to win, you need 324 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:16,120 significantly more entries to be able to make that $1000. 325 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:18,200 After it's all said and done, you pay all your expenses. 326 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,720 If you only pay 1000 a win, you need 4000 less dollars. 327 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,360 And what a lot of people have forgotten too, if your, if your 328 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:31,080 entry fee is say $50 or whatever, you expect the track 329 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,960 to be this way. If your entry fee is $500, you 330 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,040 expect the track to be this way. So I think a lot of people have 331 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,120 gotten on the train of doing what you know, monkey see monkey 332 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,880 do type thing being like, oh, they did it so we'll do that and 333 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,160 it'll be successful. Well, that's not the key to all 334 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,920 facilities and people can say what they want. 335 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,920 Dude, what I'm telling you right now, not on the Dragway. 336 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,200 Whenever they were operating, they had a very cheap entry fee. 337 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,120 The the payout was always based upon how many cars were there. 338 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,040 And you always knew you were going to go there and you were 339 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,240 going to race for cheap. And no, it's not Rockingham, you 340 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,160 know, but you didn't expect it to be Rockingham either. 341 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,600 You didn't expect it to be Go Out Motorsports Park, but they 342 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,760 always did pretty good, man, and everybody was having a good time 343 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,800 and it was fun and it was cheap. And I'm not saying everybody 344 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,560 wants to do that, but to each his own. 345 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,200 There are plenty of people that'll race for five 8000 346 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:35,000 bucks, you know, 508 hundred $1000, just like there are 347 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,240 people that'll race for hundreds of thousands of dollars. 348 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,440 You know, you'd think right now, my wife's literally calling me 349 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520 right now, so I'm going to call her out right now. 350 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,040 But you would think after all these years that she would know 351 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,880 it's GBR night right now. But. 352 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,440 Hey, if you got to go on mute, go on mute. 353 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,240 See what's happening? No, I'm going to text her right 354 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,440 now and be like, what are you doing? 355 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Yeah, you, man, you. We don't want to see Casey get 356 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,200 in trouble on, I guess you could call it national TV, but let's 357 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,960 just call it YouTube and Facebook, guys. 358 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,680 I just texted her back and said I said GBR fool. 359 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,280 I got I got another comment here and I like it. 360 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,080 It's out of Aaron Kohler. He's saying, I remember growing 361 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,360 up at Cordova Dragway, Cordova Dragway, they used to have a 362 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:22,000 crowd every weekend for points races and now it's a ghost town. 363 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,760 And my challenge to this thought process, and I've seen it a lot 364 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,760 on this post KC, where spectators, the the ability to 365 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,080 draw in fans, whatever the case, seemingly in Business 101 and in 366 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:43,760 the past 10 years, if we are considering spectators at a 367 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,120 track where we know we don't get spectators as part of the income 368 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,760 that we're going to make, that is not business one O 1. 369 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,440 You already know you don't get spectators. 370 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,600 So why are we equaling or using the thought process of 371 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,440 spectators not being at a track as a reason for not making money 372 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,400 on the back end of it? It may I understand that if you 373 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,320 have spectators, you will make more from the gate entries to 374 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,360 the dark on concession stands. Why is that the reason though, 375 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,160 Casey? And I feel like you got a great 376 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,200 answer and if you don't give it, I'm going to give it for you, 377 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,960 but I'll let you have it first. Why are we not seeing spectators 378 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,160 like we used to? Go ahead. 379 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,160 Well, I mean, the fact is there's a lot of opportunities 380 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,080 for entertainment right now and they're also a lot of free 381 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,720 opportunities for advertising, a minimum amount of advertising 382 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,000 they could do. But a very basic example would 383 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,200 be why aren't these tracks, if they want to attract spectators 384 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,360 and that's what they figure they need to be able to be 385 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,800 profitable, then what? What happened to match racing? 386 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,280 What happened to a show? Dude, I'm telling you right now, 387 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,400 whatever. Whenever we have Mad Dog at 388 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Farmington, people show up to watch Mad Dog. 389 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,440 I mean it doesn't need to be the whole show. 390 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,920 You only need like you really only need like 2 cars. 391 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,640 You need 2 guys to put on a show for people and people will show 392 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,040 up and they don't need to be there all night. 393 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,520 You know, you need to have, what would it do for any track even 394 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,440 at $10 a head to say these two cars are going to come match 395 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,680 race and it's going to be best two out of three. 396 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,880 And they're going to put on a show in the middle of in the 397 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,960 middle of the bracket race that you're already running and you 398 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,560 get 20 people to show up. That's 200 more dollars, you 399 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,680 know, like right there and at least one of them is going to go 400 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,680 to the concession stands and all this stuff and it you know, it's 401 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,920 and they're only going to be there for a couple hours and 402 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,240 then they're going to leave or they're going to come bet some 403 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,640 money and win some money or you know, something like that. 404 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,280 But it's they, we need to have some sort of a show showy aspect 405 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,400 associated with it. Back in the day, I remember they 406 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,680 used to have a gateway. They used to have a quick eight 407 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,080 once a once a month, they'd have a quick eight. 408 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Everybody'd show up, watch Quick 8 like you'd have now out there. 409 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,720 To be fair, they had their Quick 8 stuff was the real deal 410 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,080 because first of all, it's a gateway, and second of all, like 411 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,960 Tim McCabe is a shop there and Amy Mccoy's shop there. 412 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080 Big Drag was there, right? That's right, that's right. 413 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,640 It's. So there was all De Florian to 414 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,440 be driving a new car every single week. 415 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,680 But but the fact of the matter is that can happen anywhere and 416 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,640 I agree. I want to shout out Troy 417 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,680 Abercrombie, appreciate him shouting my old man out earlier 418 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,200 this week to his TB race on the mic. 419 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,680 Great job on the mic, by the way. 420 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,760 But he said I can't find it in here right now. 421 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,400 But he said something about they'd never operate their own 422 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,120 business at the margins they expect tracks to operate at. 423 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:51,280 And that is 100% the truth. Yeah, no, 100% Casey. 424 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,240 I'm shocked though, man. You, you, you could have went a 425 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,080 direction I thought you would have gone. 426 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,320 And I'm going to bring it up because it's it's, it needs to 427 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,680 be said. There's a big difference, a big 428 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,120 difference in between now and 20 years ago. 429 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,880 One of those differences that really sticks out like a sore 430 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,160 thumb that we really used to get a lot of participation from was 431 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,160 the fact that there was a testing tune along with the 432 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,120 bracket race. All right, So I don't know if 433 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,440 that solves the world's problems right now, right? 434 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,400 Or or a gateway. There was a Midnight Madness. 435 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,520 Something to bring. In that was a money. 436 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,760 Oh my God, there's so many people that are going to show up 437 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,240 to the track for Midnight Madness. 438 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,880 We went more often than not. What Wheels up? 439 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,160 I guess somebody figured out what wheels up was on this 440 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,200 stream. Think you came in under your? 441 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,040 We didn't. Even run, we'd just go. 442 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,320 We would go, we maybe race one time, race bikes one time, dude, 443 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,320 but we would go because there would be 150 bikes, 200 bikes, 444 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,480 regular door cars, street cars, whatever. 445 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,760 I believe that a little bit of the problem is things were done 446 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,880 differently back then from a, from a drag racing stance. 447 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,560 Is that the answer? I don't know. 448 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,000 It's just spitball, but here at this point. 449 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,400 I was talking to my dad the other day about this and you 450 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,720 know, we've been racing a long time. 451 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,320 That's all we've ever done. Dad's been racing since, I don't 452 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,320 know, 80-70, something like that. 453 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,920 And I've been racing since I can ever remember. 454 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,880 And dude, the tracks, like, you know, they act like the tracks 455 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,840 are bad now. And I talked to all like my 456 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,360 younger buddies and stuff. Now I'm like, dude, the tracks 457 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,600 are just as they are. They're better than they ever 458 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,480 have been. Anybody who's complaining about 459 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,800 track prep now, I'd like to see them running 2025 years ago, but 460 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,280 I mean, like, remember when we used to go to Evansville all the 461 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,480 time? It's not around anymore. 462 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320 So we can say that dude, that place, I want to say they just 463 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,320 drug tractor tires behind everything. 464 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,680 And Lester Adkins was going four 90s and killing everybody back 465 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,040 then in in that old, I don't know if it's Ricky Smith's old 466 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,000 pro mod, that old Lumina that he had. 467 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,480 And I mean, he won constantly out there and, and that was the 468 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,600 fastest that, that should have had the most problems with track 469 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,040 prep out of anybody there cuz there were dragsters and stuff 470 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,120 back then. But dude, I mean, he was going 471 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,720 four 90s, four 80s in a door car bracket racing back in the mid 472 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,040 90s and beating everybody every single week. 473 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:27,280 So it's I, I just, I think that, you know, everybody, everybody 474 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,120 thinks that everybody needs a tire rotator and everybody 475 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:33,000 thinks that you need all this big equipment and use all this 476 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,440 PJ one and all this stuff. And it's like, man, just stop 477 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,760 whining and let's all erase. As long as there is not the left 478 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,640 lane for some reason is significantly better than the 479 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160 right lane. It is what it is, man. 480 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,760 But that's the reason also why a lot of these tracks can't afford 481 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,480 to run the way they want to because people insist they have 482 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,280 so much stuff. And there are things nowadays, 483 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,360 I'm sure insurance is way more expensive than it was back in 484 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,440 the 90s to be able to host drag racing events because we all 485 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,400 know how all the legalities go with everything anymore. 486 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,080 But but yeah, I mean, there's a lot of downtime on a track and 487 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,440 during test in tune time, unless somebody's blowing up or 488 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,360 something, there's really no downside to the test and tune 489 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,360 side of things because you just literally say turn the tree on. 490 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,920 I don't know if it has an auto function or anything, but at 491 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,360 least you just have a starter up there at the most. 492 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,920 Give somebody a break and let the cars go down, you know? 493 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680 Well, let them go down. I think we got a little bit more 494 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,920 meat on that bone too, Casey. We'll try to pick it off after 495 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,040 this commercial break. You know how that goes. 496 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,160 But yeah, as I just stated, marketing partners, they got 497 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,600 something to tell you. Make sure you listen up, hit 498 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,080 that like and subscribe, share, stick around for a little while, 499 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,920 leave a comment, talk to us. We'll be back with more in just 500 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:08,840 a little bit. In the city boys class Here's 501 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,920 the skinny on the Pro Form Slim Fit Radiator Systems. 502 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,040 They are the industry's first and only four inch thick 503 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360 radiator system. That's the radiator plus the 504 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,240 shroud plus the fan. 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It's episode 240. 521 00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:23,210 Yes, we've been doing this for 240 episodes, but welcome back. 522 00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:25,370 Welcome back. Going bracket racing community. 523 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,320 We can't thank you guys enough for being with us week in week 524 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,800 out. We're here live almost every 525 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,080 Tuesday barring other events that have to take precedence. 526 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Let's just leave it at that. Both of us with young kids and 527 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,560 things so special shout out to everybody who who help us keep 528 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,200 the lights on. Kim Jones Performance TSR racing 529 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,560 products, crew chief pro Mid state Dragway driven racing, oil 530 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,360 pro form parts Gearhead solutions, Team 14 Motorsports. 531 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,920 If you would like to add your list or your products and 532 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,320 services, what you offer to the list of marketing partners that 533 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,800 we have, feel free to contact us. 534 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,120 George or Casey, go on bracketracing@gmail.com. 535 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,880 It's at Go on Bracket Racing on Facebook, TikTok, YouTube 536 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,600 podcast, man, you'll find us. That's all I got to tell you. 537 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,440 You'll find us if you type Go on Bracket racing. 538 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,080 You might find my telephone number somewhere, who knows? 539 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,840 But that's just the way it is. Casey, you had something you 540 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880 wanted to go to, man. I think you saw a comment in 541 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,880 YouTube. Yeah, oh, our buddy dealing 542 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,000 champion over here, you've seen him a million times on this 543 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360 show. Testing tunes on top of a 544 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,960 bracket races a headache. Having street cars, hard tire 545 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,000 cars, I would assume is hard on the surface creates more work 546 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,280 for the track staff to keep the surface up to par. 547 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,600 I don't totally disagree with that, but at the same time, I 548 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,320 mean, we always had a street classic gateway back in the day 549 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,200 and in the early 2000s, dude, you know, everybody thinks that 550 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,600 stuff is so fast now. Back in the early 2000s, man, 551 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,680 right? Whenever we raced the gateway, 552 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,480 it was not uncommon to see 510, five, 2530 door cars. 553 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,920 I think we can all agree bracket racing, those cars are still 554 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560 typically your fast door cars that you're seeing. 555 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,280 Dude, we were doing that in the in the early 90s and at where we 556 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,520 grew up and we never had issues with any of that stuff. 557 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,440 I just, I don't think it's as big of a deal as everybody 558 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,080 thinks it is. And when we're talking about 559 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,000 keeping tracks open, let's just say that it is, dude. 560 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880 If it puts more money in the track's pocket and that track's 561 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,080 able to stay open because of the little bit of headache it 562 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,760 causes, I would much rather have that be the case than the track 563 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,800 be gone. And I know Dylan's not saying 564 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800 that, but I'm just, I'm just stating it as a fact. 565 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,960 Yeah, I like the fact too, and I also like the idea. 566 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,600 I mean #1 if we do that, bracket racers, and I'm speaking 567 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:02,080 directly to bracket racers, no complaining about whatever is 568 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360 happening to heat, to keep the lights on at the racetrack, 569 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,199 because again, this isn't business one-on-one. 570 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,480 It's a little deeper if you pay attention a little bit, just a 571 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,159 little bit to the signs that are on the wall, right. 572 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,880 So if, if XRP decided to have a, a test and tune alongside of our 573 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,679 bracket race, which might be hard to do because there's about 574 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,040 140 a 150 of us, I think at a given bracket race, that's quite 575 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,480 a pretty decent number. I ain't even including no box. 576 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,159 So again, this might not work for every single track, but it's 577 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,159 the thought process, it's the open forum, the open 578 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,360 conversation on getting these ideas out that could really keep 579 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,600 the bracket racing program strong in other areas. 580 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:52,280 So if I were Darlington, I know I've seen online 100 times where 581 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,520 there there are the fastest motorcycles in the country. 582 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,880 It seems like out there and numb jokers, I'm telling you, they 583 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,120 fly down that track, man. Open it up for them to test and 584 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,720 tune. Every time you have a bracket 585 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,520 race, give them the ability to enter your racetrack for the 586 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,080 same price even as what it costs the bracket race. 587 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,720 Watch what happens because I guarantee you they're going to 588 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:15,720 pay it. They want time on their bikes. 589 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,040 They want to race, People want to watch them race, so you're 590 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,680 bringing in somebody else. That's just what I've seen on 591 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,440 the Internet from Darlington Casey. 592 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,840 Add to it. Well, I was going to say a way 593 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,040 that you could actually deal with a lot of this lesser, 594 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,960 lesser value of cars or cars that would possibly like oil the 595 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,680 track down. Because I understand like you 596 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,000 don't just want to let any streetcar guy in here to go race 597 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,040 during your normal race. That would, yes, that would 598 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,440 cause a headache. But Dad told me that what 599 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,480 Gateway's doing now or that what they were doing in the past is 600 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,400 they would allow you to test as long as you paid the Super Pro 601 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,960 entry fee, which would be the most expensive entry fee they 602 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040 had. They'll allow you to test, just 603 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,600 run, test and tune at the end of every single Super Pro round. 604 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,040 So that makes it where like, you know, what's testing tune cost 605 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,040 like 20-40 dollars, something like that. 606 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,920 Well, now it's costing you 100 and something dollars, so that's 607 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,840 keeping some of those other things in the riffraff out of 608 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,280 there because your average streetcar guy isn't going to go 609 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,360 pay 100 and something dollars and then wait around and sit 610 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,400 there all day long to get a run after every round. 611 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,400 You got to remember now you know, there's first round of 612 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,080 Super Pro and then wins, wins second round of Super Pro 7-8 613 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,000 hours later. That streetcar guy ain't going 614 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,360 to hang around for that long to be able to run again. 615 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480 That's going to be real race cars in there. 616 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,960 That's something that actually would be a, a pretty good idea 617 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,120 because now you could potentially get like in North 618 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,840 Carolina, for example, there's tons of pro mods out here. 619 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,280 You can get some of those pro mod guys coming in and and 620 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,400 testing because it's significantly cheaper than 621 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,960 renting the track and the track will be good enough for them to 622 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,600 get some ideas of what's going on. 623 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,520 Guess what pro mods bring If a pro mod shows up every single 624 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,840 week to test during the race now maybe 5 or 6 people come. 625 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,760 They want to see Jason Harris test or something. 626 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,640 Tracks already? The track is already open, 627 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,000 right? You know what I mean? 628 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,480 It's already there. Hey, guys, there's a bracket 629 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,120 race going on. Track's going to be prepped to 630 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,520 the nines. Bring your cars out. 631 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,040 This. How much money it cost you guys 632 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,680 to test? You can charge them 100 bucks, I 633 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,160 guarantee it. Yeah, they will contest for $100 634 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,640 or, or better yet, line up next to whoever they want to be 635 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,520 gambling with and test right next to them. 636 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,800 I would much rather test my race car during a racing event 637 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,960 because first of all, now there, there's nothing more like what 638 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,800 you're getting ready to test for because you're testing for what 639 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,600 you're at. Second of all, I'd much rather 640 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,920 do that than add a testing tune for some of the real the reasons 641 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,720 that that champ was just talking about, because you are dealing 642 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,040 with a lot of that stuff and you're not going to have perfect 643 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,120 track prep and stuff because it's a testing tune. 644 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,840 It is what it is. You got to hurry up and get 645 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,240 there early before everybody ruins it and it takes too long. 646 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,320 And I think that might be the key man, that that might be the 647 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,360 way that a lot of these tracks can put a little more money in 648 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,600 their pocket because that you got to remember, let's say 649 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,240 there's, I mean, there's not going to be like, it's not like 650 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,960 you're going to get 50 of them. Might get 5. 651 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,440 Maybe on a good day, you might get 10 people testing or 652 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,880 something like that. But that's, those are all people 653 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,840 who are not taking anything away. 654 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,080 As long as nothing breaks on those cars to where you have to 655 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,520 clean the track up for an hour, which is rare anyway, then 656 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,040 that's just money in your pocket. 657 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,880 And you don't have to pay that guy anything. 658 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,040 That's just funding your purse. Last time I checked, business 659 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,720 one O 1 equals money in and money out. 660 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,840 Either you're going to lose some money on one event and make some 661 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,760 money on the next, or you're going to make a lot of money 662 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,640 across the board and you're going to give to Uncle Sam and 663 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,200 it's going out anyway. So one way or the other, you 664 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200 have to be able to offset or mitigate some of your losses. 665 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,400 How to do it, that's completely up to you. 666 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,040 And I know I'm not teaching anybody anything that they 667 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,880 probably don't already know, right? 668 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,920 So I'm going to leave that at that. 669 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,320 I'm Jeff. You got, you got 1. 670 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,800 Yeah. Jeff just said in here that 671 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,080 Gateway is still doing that. It's not the Super Pro price, 672 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,480 but they run right behind Super Pro, so it must be it. 673 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,120 So it's a different, it's a different price as far as entry 674 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,760 fee versus super. I don't know if that's higher 675 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,320 and lower, Jeff, tell us here in a second. 676 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,160 But the fact of the matter is they are in fact still doing 677 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080 that, which means that, and by the way, this is a facility that 678 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,160 is owned by a billionaire. So if there's anybody who can 679 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,680 lose money on something, it's him. 680 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,800 It's him, yeah. So this obviously works. 681 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,200 Yeah, yeah, that's right. He at least has the thought 682 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200 process. My gates are open or the manager 683 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,880 or whoever, because he's not running it. 684 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,520 Somebody manager's probably running it, right? 685 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,200 My gates are open. Let's put as many cars down this 686 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,880 racetrack as we can and make as much as we can while we have it 687 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,960 open. I want Lawrence Curry's comment 688 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,000 next. He says it seems like big Money 689 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,680 point series is going to force local bracket racers to the 690 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,600 back. Yes and no. 691 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:16,160 Maybe Orson to the back might be a little misconstrued. 692 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,320 Big money bracket racing is going to draw the people who 693 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,560 think they compete on the big money scale no matter what 694 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,480 period. So therefore. 695 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,880 Will local bracket racers or races lose a little money if 696 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,960 there's a big money bracket race in the same area? 697 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,960 The answer to that question is yes. 698 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,040 All right, this ain't the same as what it was back 20 years ago 699 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,360 where we were proud to run for two grand and some bracken 700 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000 rights or a points championship or head over to Indy to be able 701 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,720 to run. Well. 702 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,320 It was Indy where we grew up in D3 to run for team finals and 703 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,880 get our name on the back of that Gateway shirt that say hey, 704 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,600 George Atchison senior and Tony, I have. 705 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,840 One in that closet over. There, you know what I'm saying? 706 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,680 It ain't like that anymore for some reason, which which which 707 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,480 will drive it even worse. Nowadays you don't even got to 708 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,520 run out of track and you can run in their team final. 709 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,640 That's a bunch of junk. You didn't earn that here nor 710 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,000 there, right Lawrence? I think that I think that market 711 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,040 demand is going to be what pushes local bracket racing to 712 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,280 the back timing working together as competitors. 713 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,960 Fortunately, like that's that's hard. 714 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,880 That's a mouthful to even say to work with your competitor. 715 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,280 But if you guys are hour or two hours apart and your predecessor 716 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,200 has a 10 grander for 150 bucks and you have a three grander for 717 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,600 50 or 100 bucks, which one do you think the drag racer is 718 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,640 going to go to, especially the bracket racers. 719 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,360 That's not hard. OK, It's it's not, that's not 720 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640 hard at all to figure out. It's not rocket science. 721 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,200 I'm going to the 10 grander. Casey's going to the to the 10 722 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,840 grander. Every bracket racer who thinks 723 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,200 that they can compete at the big money level for $50 more and 724 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,560 probably $50 more in their gas tank will go to the 10 grander 725 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,800 over the lesser money every single time. 726 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,040 So push it to the back, not necessarily take away from 727 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,880 participation. Yes, therefore, and this is my 728 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,440 opinion, you guys better start working together a little bit 729 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,000 better looking at a master schedule that somebody put out 730 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,040 your area, gets together at the local freaking Buffalo Wild 731 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,200 Wings, orders up a couple pictures of beer and talks about 732 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,920 your schedules and chills out for a couple of days out of the 733 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,160 month or something or once every quarter. 734 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,960 Hey, I got this race here. It's a reschedule date. 735 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,760 What y'all got? Oh, I don't got nothing there. 736 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,680 What would that do right there, Casey? 737 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,000 Oh, dude, working together would solve a lot of these issues, 738 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,000 period. Because at the end of the day, 739 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,160 these local facilities, you can't compete with the traveling 740 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,760 promoter, the big money promoter, and you don't need to. 741 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,800 That's the thing, you don't, you don't need to. 742 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,080 Some of them think they do. And I think that's actually 743 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,120 caused a lot of the demise is people trying to keep up with 744 00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,880 the Joneses here. And it doesn't need to happen 745 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,160 like Austin Day saying over here in the YouTube chat, would it? 746 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,160 Wouldn't it help local bracket racing to run a traveling series 747 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,920 with them next their bracket program, like a 470 series, 748 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,280 Super Quick series, etcetera out here. 749 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,360 I know I want to say he's a stock eliminator racer, Super 750 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,840 Stock, something like that. But they have CCRA out here and 751 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,480 whenever they run CCRA, then of course that that helps out the 752 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,920 tracks that they're at because it brings in people who 753 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,200 otherwise wouldn't be there. It brings in people to look at 754 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,640 the cars because Stock and Super Stock is a car show in itself to 755 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,080 begin with. Because by rules they are kind 756 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:42,280 of required to be nice. But yeah, man, it's, there's, 757 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,920 there's just so many things that your weekly event actually has 758 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,120 the ability to do because they can do stuff last minute where 759 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,760 that traveling promoter, first of all, the traveling promoter 760 00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,160 has to right now say I'm guaranteeing I'm going to rent 761 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,480 out this facility not knowing six months from now, who knows 762 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,560 what the weather is going to be like, You know, who knows if 763 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,320 someone's going to put a race on top of mine? 764 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080 Who knows? There's, there's so many 765 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,800 unknowns. Whereas that local facility can 766 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,480 say, hey, sick weeks in town, let's see if they want to do 767 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,400 something over here real quick, see if see if somebody will take 768 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,840 like 500 bucks to come over here and just make one run and leave. 769 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,360 You don't like there's there's so much stuff anymore that you 770 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,840 have access to a social media that does not cost any money 771 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,640 that you can get in contact with people that you never would 772 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,360 think that you could get in contact with. 773 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,320 We have through GBR, we have talked to so many people that we 774 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,320 have no business talking to her or thought thought the case was, 775 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,480 you know, that was the case and we talked to him. 776 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,560 Dude, Jake Coughlin's been on this channel. 777 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,160 One of the biggest names that has ever been in Motorsports has 778 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,400 been on this channel. And that's back whenever this 779 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,760 channel with nothing like there was nobody here. 780 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080 We might have had 500 followers and Jake came on because he's a 781 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,240 normal guy, but there's there are people who are willing to 782 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:06,640 help you out if you just ask them to help you or just ask for 783 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,240 ask for help. You know, and for love of God 784 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:14,520 and for for the sake of drag racing, tell the whole story. 785 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,720 Don't just give out little pieces and tidbits of something 786 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,240 without saying why you think this is the case. 787 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:26,400 Or hey, I need your guts. Phrase it a little bit 788 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,000 different. And I'm not pointing to any 789 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,720 fingers at anybody, so I'm not going to name any names here, 790 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,400 but the heck, phrase it differently. 791 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,640 Hey, our bracket racing program is struggling. 792 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,280 What? What are you guys doing out 793 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,320 there that maybe we should look at doing? 794 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,120 You never know, man. You, you post something like 795 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,400 that on one of our posts and a tracking. 796 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,160 Heck, I don't know where. Mike, come on. 797 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,400 You're. Hey, this is what we're doing, 798 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,960 guys. And this seems to be working for 799 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,080 us. You ought to give it a shot. 800 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,440 And he's 800 miles away from you. 801 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,120 He's across the dog room, across the sea. 802 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,960 Yeah. So and you're not competing with 803 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960 that. There's no competition there, 804 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,880 you know what I mean? That's that's a good point you 805 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,360 just brought up right there. Because what a lot of people 806 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,880 don't realize as far as local facilities go, they all think 807 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,320 they're competing with a big money BRAC racing and big money 808 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,560 BRAC racing, the demise of this blah, blah, blah. 809 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,440 And in some aspects, yes, and a lot of aspects no, because 810 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,360 you're not competing with that guy that's running 100 grander 811 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,000 in Michigan. There's like maybe 20 people 812 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,320 from North Carolina, which is pretty much where all the big 813 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,400 money bracket erasers are from. Is this general vicinity, this 814 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,960 North Carolina, Virginia, South Carolina, like the southeast 815 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,040 area, A lot of those travelling guys are from this area down to 816 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,640 Florida. You're not competing, for 817 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,640 example, TB-250 KS coming up. You're not competing with them 818 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,200 as a local facility. I don't care if you're running 819 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,760 for 20 grand, that's not in the same realm. 820 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,840 You're not competing with those people and no one thinks you 821 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,560 are, you know? So it's, you know, I just think 822 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,240 that a lot of people have gotten it so skewed that they forgot 823 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,880 there is a place for the local program to exist. 824 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,760 And you do not need to pay thousands and thousands and 825 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,360 thousands more dollars than you've always paid because at a 826 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,440 certain point you just need to keep doing what's working. 827 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:19,320 There are plenty of people who again, let's you know, these are 828 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,960 just generic numbers. No math has been run here. 829 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,440 But let's just say if you're going to pay 5 grand to win, 830 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,200 let's say you figure you need 200 cars on premises for 831 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,880 whatever reason. Well, that being said, you could 832 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,680 say that OK, I'm going to pay 1500 to win. 833 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,160 I don't know what the number is there because I'm not going to 834 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,440 run the math. It's a very simple calculator 835 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,400 function right there. But you need significantly less 836 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,760 cars to run for 1500. And so if you only get say 50 837 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,880 cars, you might actually earn more money than the guy who got 838 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520 200. You know, it's a lot easier to 839 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,560 to make your money back and overhead is overhead and it is 840 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,720 what it is. But everybody just needs to 841 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,040 remember that you do whatever is right for you. 842 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,000 You don't need to do what everybody else is doing. 843 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,640 You don't. And, and you don't need to also 844 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,720 just cuz this guy's paying 50 to win, like OK, well maybe he paid 845 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,400 50 to win. Let's just say he made $200,000 846 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,160 that race, OK. But he stands to lose way more 847 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,440 money than you do. Also risk reward. 848 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,640 That's how it works out. And when you risk stuff that you 849 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,160 shouldn't be, that doesn't work out sometimes. 850 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,120 I don't know Casey, man. It's just it feels like it feels 851 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,800 like a regular cell phone conversation for sure with me 852 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,040 and you today on this show. It's all I got because these are 853 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,960 the things that I feel like and and I'm seeing in the chat. 854 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,760 These are the conversations that must happen. 855 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,320 Are they comfortable in this particular form? 856 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,280 I believe this is a comfortable, healthy conversation, not 857 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,480 because it's George and Casey doing it, but because there are 858 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,560 people in the live chat that are commenting and giving ideas 859 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,440 behind it. So if you didn't get a chance to 860 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,520 be here alive, scroll through those live those those comments 861 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,000 and make sure you, you know, get a chance to read and look at 862 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,040 some of the stuff. I feel like it's useful, Casey, 863 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,400 man. So no, maybe we need to check in 864 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,120 every quarter to give everybody a push. 865 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,160 Go ahead, man, go ahead. Casey, I was just going to say 866 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,000 one more thing because Austin Day and Shannon 75 are all over 867 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,360 here talking about Funny Car chaos and specifically said 868 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,200 wonder if Farmington or other North Carolina tracks could hold 869 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,280 Funny Car chaos. I can I can assure you that that 870 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600 Farmington, it would be a great place for something like that 871 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,280 because they got a lot of room. It looks like what you would 872 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,240 imagine those style funny cars being at back in the 80s and 873 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,160 stuff. It would it would be extremely 874 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,600 cool. And the cool thing about those 875 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:58,760 guys is they come in and like like Michael Neal has has that 876 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,280 GTO judge. I think they had some hardships 877 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,600 with that, but it's painted cool like it would be in the 70s or 878 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,680 something. He's got a old chaparral trailer 879 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,440 that everything like it would look cool sitting in the the 880 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,320 tall grass over there and everything. 881 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,840 It would just look like you're in in the 70s. 882 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,600 But I can assure you because of stupidity that the first run I 883 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,360 made at Farmington this year, I ran it to 5 two and I think I 884 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,000 went, I went 439, but I ran it to 5 two because I didn't, I 885 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,200 couldn't figure out where I was at. 886 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,280 This is the first run of the year and everybody's an idiot. 887 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,040 First run of the year. But when your car's fast, I was 888 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:40,760 going 177 mile an hour at 5 two and their shutdown is like 17150 889 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,080 or 18150 feet to the sand trap. And I got out and I told Chad 890 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,320 Tilly. I said, I said, man, I thought I 891 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,320 was never going to stop. I had my hand on the second 892 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,640 parachute. I was about to throw the second 893 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,000 parachute here and he he came back by and he said you figure 894 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,120 out why you couldn't stop. I said yeah, I didn't let off 895 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,760 till 52. So I probably ran it to 1000 896 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,520 foot or something. But but yeah, anyway, so I know 897 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,800 they can stop. I know they're faster than my 898 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,480 stuff, but I know they can stop. On top of that, wouldn't it be 899 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,280 nice to see a Funny Car Chaos event next to A bracket race? 900 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,360 Yes. Very cool. 901 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,920 Wouldn't that bring in spectators? 902 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:21,560 Come on guys. Anybody from Funny Car Chaos is 903 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,320 watching you got in a Farmington drag way. 904 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,040 I could probably call them if you want me to. 905 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,000 I'm just saying, yeah, I mean, but anyway. 906 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,120 Southeast gassers would be cool there too. 907 00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,800 I was going to say something of that. 908 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,960 They're here. They're already there, man, 909 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,160 Putting them in. You guys work smarter, not 910 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,360 harder. That's all I got, man. 911 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,080 You guys can come together and who cares if they split track 912 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,640 rental? Is that really what, what you're 913 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,640 after? Maybe that's it. 914 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,120 Hey, maybe that's it, Casey. Maybe that's why we don't, we 915 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,400 don't, we don't see it. Maybe the track rental of each 916 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,640 event is just that important. Possibly. 917 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,200 I mean, that's right off the top. 918 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:06,440 It's just the thought man, you know, So I don't know what else 919 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,280 you got dude. We can keep going on this 920 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,400 conversation because it's large and hopefully if you guys didn't 921 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,200 see that Facebook page post over there asking questions like 922 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,480 this, go over there and check it out on going bracket racing and 923 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,880 leave a comment, leave a like, send a share comment on this 924 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,200 video, whatever. We want to know your thoughts, 925 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,560 send us messages. We'll go Part 2 if we have to 926 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:33,120 this one so. Case man Speaking of Farmington 927 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,040 Dragway, if any of y'all are watching out there, I didn't 928 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,240 quit running Mad Dog. I've just had a lot going on 929 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,560 right now and I plan on being back soon as I can finally get 930 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:42,480 there. I promise I heard. 931 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,680 That man, but no man, it's it's it was a pretty fun weekend. 932 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120 Let's just leave. Let's just leave it at that. 933 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,440 You know, this past weekend, a lot of bracket racing to watch 934 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,560 lot of noise to listen to and watch and actually understand. 935 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,240 Well, Casey, I know you sent me that. 936 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,240 I was on the scaffold. I had a headset on kind of 937 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,000 listening to a little music and keeping my ears a little 938 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,840 protected from the loud cars going by me. 939 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,560 By the way, there were a lot of fast directors at Dole 940 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,600 Pennington race. Man, some of those boys are 941 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,600 pretty doggone tough in the four 20s and the four OS and jeez, 942 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,880 you guys are flying down here. But but tell. 943 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,520 Him what Austin Bay said here, I think he just said that. 944 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:27,360 Let's bring back pro mods running local quick eight races, 945 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,560 things like that. That would always I mean I I 946 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,960 always think quick 8 and quick sixteens. 947 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,600 I mean they'll always help and I don't need to be heads up either 948 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,440 just, you know its own deal. Eaton Raceway did it for years. 949 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,760 I'm. Going to go back to one more 950 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,880 comment because I've seen it and I think the more I keep thinking 951 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,800 about it, the more it keeps bouncing into my head. 952 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,320 There may be a lot of merit behind this and it's from Brian 953 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,040 Garrett and he said, and I, I it's way up there so I can't 954 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,600 scroll and get to it exactly right. 955 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,320 But he's basically saying when you go out for a cruise, even 956 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,960 just around your town and and look around, where's the cruise 957 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,600 route that we used to have back in the day? 958 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,640 Like I remember my cruise route. I used to get my subwoofers, my 959 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,040 little Ford Taurus and turn my music up as loud as I could, get 960 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,200 pulled over by the cops making too much noise and go around 961 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,840 Dairy Queen. Then go to the car wash, spin it 962 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,400 around and and go past Dollar General and then do it again and 963 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,160 then do it again and then do it again. 964 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,840 Next thing you know we got 4050 people just cruising the strip 965 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,120 just. So we used to on motorcycles. 966 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,960 That's what I'm saying. We just bumped and we just 967 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,280 cruising. Everybody stops at Dairy Queen 968 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000 for a second to the cops pull up and run us all off because we're 969 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,960 a lawyer to ring. We're a high schooler. 970 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,320 So what? I'm worried a little bit. 971 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,520 Anyway, back to the cruise. Then we stopped. 972 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,080 That doesn't happen anymore. Brian Garrett basically mentions 973 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,960 that that means cool hot rods kind of went away. 974 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:57,400 So is that where spectators went to is because that all kind of 975 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,640 disappeared around the same time? 976 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,360 If you ask me, this cell phone right here might have took away 977 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,400 from just a little bit more than what we know, man. 978 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,640 But it also gives you the ability to reach every single 979 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,880 person that we couldn't otherwise reach, because the 980 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,360 only way we could find those people was doing that. 981 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,320 True, true, true. But if I wanted to hang out with 982 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,960 my friends in Greenville, IL and it wasn't, it wasn't time to go 983 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,080 to bed because I need to be up at 4:00 in the morning getting 984 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,720 the deer stand, cruising the strip was where you was at. 985 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,240 All you got to do is make 2-3 good laps and you going to find 986 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,280 everybody. So I don't know that that was a 987 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,120 good comment, Brian. I never really thought about 988 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:41,840 that as a potential, you know, pain point to people showing up 989 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,920 to original. That being said, there's a 990 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,160 billboard in every town and there's there's still people to 991 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,000 this day that like cars. I mean, you can say the video 992 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,200 games and this, that and the other. 993 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,320 Well, guess what, people that play video games, they think 994 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,800 that those cars are cool that they're running right? 995 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,080 They would like to see one run in real life. 996 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,280 They would like to see at least see one. 997 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,720 So I don't know, man, I think there's a lot of opportunity 998 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,880 that that people are missing. I, I think that there is more 999 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,200 ability to reach people than ever before. 1000 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,840 This, this show is proof of that Facebook page is proof of that. 1001 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,600 We have like over 13,000 followers on Facebook. 1002 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,120 Like there's 13,000 people you can talk to right there. 1003 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:26,440 That post that we made 24 hours ago reached before we got on 1004 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,280 this show, it reached 193,000 people. 1005 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,920 And that's, that's no, no cost, no advertising costs nothing. 1006 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,480 That's just people wanting to talk about it. 1007 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,120 So that should tell no boosts for anybody who knows Facebook. 1008 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,440 Yeah, we didn't boost it. It is just something that we 1009 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,920 have the ability in this, in this time dispensation of time 1010 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,000 to utilize as what I would consider the best marketing 1011 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,400 product that you can have period next to. 1012 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:04,040 And this is the last thing I watched XRP put on a firework 1013 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,800 show for 4th of July because Pennington's had to re 1014 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,840 reschedule the race. Generally speaking there, 1015 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,880 there's not going to be much drag racing going on the 4th of 1016 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,640 July generally. Obviously that was proven wrong 1017 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,680 this past weekend. Anyway. 1018 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,400 They put on a a firework show two or three days before 4th of 1019 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,000 July. They put it out that it was 1020 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000 going to happen. Whatever they did to get people 1021 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,760 to show up at their racetrack worked. 1022 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,400 I saw at least 60 cars show up in park 4 fireworks. 1023 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,200 So it's doable. I know they had a place a post 1024 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,000 on their Facebook page. I'll bet they had a post on the 1025 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,240 local Ferris buy sell trade page. 1026 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,200 Whatever. Cuz there are a lot of people 1027 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000 who were looking for places to watch fireworks and a lot of 1028 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,880 people cracked. The cops cracked down pretty 1029 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,360 good in my town talking about but you can't pop fireworks and 1030 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,960 city limits so everybody was kind of looking for somewhere to 1031 00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,800 go. So hats off XRP you guys. 1032 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,280 All that asphalt done. Good job asphalt done. 1033 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,600 Catch on fire. True, true. 1034 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,080 Tough weekend, man. Pennington TB. 1035 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,560 Yeah. Aaron Dallas. 1036 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,520 That's true, man. There was. 1037 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,600 There's a lot of drag racing going on, man. 1038 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,640 It didn't matter what it was a lot. 1039 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,600 Paris had a 10 grander, if I'm not wrong. 1040 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,640 Paris is right up the street. That's an hour. 1041 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,040 So a lot of drag racing going on. 1042 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,400 Casey. Casey, what you got in closing? 1043 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,400 Yeah, I just appreciate everybody again that commented 1044 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,120 on that post. If you didn't have time to look 1045 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,680 at it, go look at it now, man, because there's tons and tons of 1046 00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,280 stuff you can read for two hours on that post right now. 1047 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,760 But it's actually a lot of it is is constructive. 1048 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,680 If you're somebody who owns a track or as closely, you know, 1049 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,800 tied to somebody with a racetrack who's looking for 1050 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,240 ideas, there's a lot of ideas in there. 1051 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,160 Some of them will work for you, some of them won't. 1052 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,600 Don't take every single one of them to heart, but there are a 1053 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,720 lot of people who took a whole lot of time. 1054 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,120 You know, there's not one or two people, man. 1055 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,640 There's probably like 100 people in there that wrote like 1056 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,720 literally multiple paragraphs. And like I said, that's probably 1057 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:06,000 one of the most proudest times I've been of GBR because most of 1058 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,720 that post is unlike a lot of things that happen on Facebook, 1059 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,680 which is it wasn't derogatory. A lot of it was constructive 1060 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,040 criticism and genuinely trying to help. 1061 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,960 There's a lot of really good ideas in there, so everybody 1062 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,240 check it out if you haven't already. 1063 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,480 Don't forget to like and follow the Facebook page and subscribe 1064 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,400 and all that stuff so you don't miss it next time and. 1065 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,040 For sure check it out shout out GBR community like Casey said, 1066 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,840 you guys, you guys, you guys answered the question with some 1067 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,080 with some class. That's what I like right there. 1068 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:43,680 Just straight up here is the unedited truth in my opinion, 1069 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,760 all you guys like Casey said if you're watching as a track owner 1070 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,800 some good ideas out there. You might want to take a few. 1071 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,840 Let us know if you got any questions. 1072 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,120 Hit us up. Go on brackerracinggmail.com. 1073 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,760 Take it easy, guys. We'll see you guys next Tuesday 1074 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,000 and. George Robin The