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Welcome to the Islands Christian
Church podcast. 

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Thanks for joining us. 
Hey, early on in my ministry 

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here at Islands, I mean, I've 
been here 14, been around here 

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14 years this March. 
And so it feels like 5 minutes. 

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It's been amazing. 
And early on when I got here, I 

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met a man named John Major and I
got to know him and John was 

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just a became a really good 
friend. 

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And John had a great career. 
He had been in the Navy as an 

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officer. 
And then he became a quality 

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assurance guy, ISO 9000 quality 
assurance. 

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Basically what that meant was he
knew how to ask the right 

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questions and when to ask them. 
And he, he and I became fast 

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friends and he got involved in 
overseeing the finances of our 

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church. 
He led a financial management 

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team here and he was integral to
our church. 

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One day he said to me, after 
I've been here just a short 

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while, he were talking about our
finances and he said, Steven, 

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what if we just paid off our 
debt here at the church? 

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We just paid it all off and we 
had enough money in reserves to 

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pay off all of our debt. 
But it meant that when we paid 

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off all of our debt, we would 
have nothing in reserves. 

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We would basically have nothing 
in the bank account. 

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And so I was a little nervous 
about it, but we met with our 

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elders and we thought about it 
and they decided to, to, to 

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take, to step out on faith, even
though it felt risky and to step

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out on faith and pay off our 
debt. 

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This has been many years ago. 
And I remember thinking, man, 

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God surely is going to be proud 
of us for doing this, you know, 

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and like this coming Sunday, I 
bet we're just going to have a 

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massive offering because like, 
it's just going to like, he's 

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going to like, he's going to be 
like, way to go, guys, you did 

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it. 
I mean, I'm kidding, I'm not 

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kidding, you guys. 
We wrote a check for $100,000 

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and we had $0.67 left in our 
bank account as an organization.

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Yes. 
It didn't feel awesome, brother.

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It didn't feel awesome. 
And especially I was feeding my 

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family on the bank account, you 
know what I mean? 

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My pay, the payroll. 
So I said, man, surely God's 

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going to honor us. 
We're going to have a big 

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offering this Sunday. 
And instead, I kid you not, it 

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was the lowest offering of my 
ministry to date on that Sunday.

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And I panicked. 
I was like, what are we going to

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do? 
And John calmly said to me, 

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Stephen, we made a decision in 
prayer that honored God. 

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We can trust him with the 
outcome. 

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Don't panic. 
And man was he right. 

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Man was he right. 
Over time, we rebuilt that 

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margin and then some and got to 
where we had significant months 

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worth of operations in March in 
reserves and years later. 

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And John could have known this 
and neither could I. 

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When we were making those very 
wise financial decisions about 

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the future of islands. 
We couldn't know that in 2020 

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COVID would come and many 
churches during COVID struggle 

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to survive. 
And I don't know if you know 

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this, but many churches closed 
down and COVID simply because of

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finances. 
They just didn't have money to 

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survive it. 
And not only do we have money to

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survive it, we had money to 
thrive through it. 

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And if you were around in during
COVID, that was a tough season 

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for this church. 
And I'm telling you, one of the 

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reasons we're here today, still 
operating, yes, God, but through

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John Major and his wisdom in 
leading us to be careful with 

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our debt and finances years 
before COVID gave us the margin 

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to get through COVID. 
So we didn't get through COVID 

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because of luck. 
We got through because of wise 

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decisions made under the 
leadership of God years before 

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COVID. 
Here's the thing about money. 

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And here's the main idea that I 
want you to carry home with you 

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today. 
This is it. 

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If you want to write something 
down, this is the main idea. 

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How we leverage money and how we
use debt. 

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How we leverage money and how we
use debt shapes our future far 

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more than it helps our present. 
So I'm going to say it again 

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because I didn't see anybody 
write this down, so I'm just 

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going to assume you're going to 
like you're logging it in your 

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memory. 
I got you, Nancy. 

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Thank you. 
Appreciate you. 

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You make me feel better about 
myself. 

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How we leverage money and how we
use debt shapes our future far 

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more than it helps our present. 
Now, today isn't about 

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condemning debt. 
The absolutely not. 

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If you notice when we're doing a
money series, some people stay 

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home. 
All right, you guys picked up on

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that. 
They're like, I'm not going 

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around there. 
I don't want to hear this 

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because it's so personal. 
Money is very personal. 

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It's really personal. 
So this today is not about 

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condemning debt or pretending 
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This issue of debt is not 
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It's about understanding what 
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what debt does to our future. 
And really, today's about 

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letting Scripture invite us 
toward something else instead. 

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And we're going to start with a 
very clear passage of Scripture.

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You know, normally I preach on 
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and we get all of our ideas from
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But this series is more topical,
meaning we're using different 

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Bible verses to support ideas 
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And so we're going to start with
one very clear text from the 

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Bible. 
Proverbs chapter 22, verse 7. 

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Proverbs chapter 22, verse 7. 
You have your Bibles, your your 

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phone. 
This is a verse that maybe 

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you've heard before. 
I think this is a verse that 

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every family should have on a 
magnet on their refrigerator in 

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their home. 
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I think this is a verse that 
everybody should have on their 

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coffee mug. 
And this is not a coffee 

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muggable verse. 
When you hear it, you're going 

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to be like, that doesn't sound 
like a coffee muggable it. 

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But if we all had this on our 
refrigerator, have us on our 

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mug, it, it might help us. 
Proverbs 22 verse 7 Solomon, 

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wisest man ever lived, said 
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The rich rule over the poor and 
the borrower slave to the 

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lender. 
Y'all know that was in the 

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Bible. 
Now here's the first idea this 

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morning that I want you to get. 
Debt feels helpful now, but 

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shapes future pressures. 
Debt feels helpful now but 

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shapes future pressures. 
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When I turn to debt and 
overspending in our lives, we 

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are not trying to wreck our 
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Nobody's going. 
I'd like to make a mess of my 

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life. 
Let's just borrow more than we 

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could ever pay back because it 
would be awesome to live with no

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margin. 
That would be fun. 

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Nobody says that. 
Usually when we reach for debt 

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or overextending ourselves 
financially, it's because we're 

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looking for relief. 
We're looking for something to 

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release the pressure we're 
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So for example, if you're 
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cars that are just you never 
have car debt and that's your 

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commitment that for most of us, 
that's going to mean we're going

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to drive old beat up cars that 
have to be worked on from time 

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to time. 
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And that means you're going to 
be frustrated on some days 

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because you're going to have 
some piece of junk in your 

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driveway that didn't start again
and you're having to like piece 

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it together or you're going to 
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going to break down. 
You're going to have to get it 

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fixed on the road like, but your
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without car debt means you're 
probably going to drive old cars

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and then you're probably going 
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fixing old cars. 
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of pressure. 
So what would feel like relief 

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to you would be to do what to go
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It would feel like relief to 
say, man, I could have at least 

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three or four years without 
this, without this, without this

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misery of always. 
Like if you go to Google Earth, 

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Google and you look at my house 
on Google Maps and you look at 

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them right now in my yard on 
Google Maps, there's a car with 

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a hood up. 
And I kid you not, if you go to 

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the previous picture, like 
there's a car, it's a different 

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car with a hood up. 
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And so if so, nobody goes into 
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their lives tough. 
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to find relief. 
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pressure, So we borrow money. 
Something feels urgent. 

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Something unexpected has come up
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Something or maybe something's 
missing in our lives, something 

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we wish we had. 
And here's the thing, borrowing 

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money often for all of us feels 
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It feels like we're moving 
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It does. 
It feels like we're taking care 

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of a problem, that we're getting
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Have you ever borrowed money for
something and went, I will just 

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figure that out later. 
Anybody yes, but let's be 

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honest, we'll just that's a 
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I'll just figure and and and see
that feels like relief because I

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don't have to solve that problem
today. 

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I can solve that problem later 
or this borrowing this money 

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right now will help us get our 
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we can figure out the problems 
with that later. 

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Now let's be very clear about 
what Proverbs is saying and what

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Proverbs is not saying. 
The writer is not condemning 

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borrowing. 
The writer is not condemning 

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borrowing. 
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that's what Stephen's going to 
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And while I kind of wish the 
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Bible just condemned borrowing, 
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The writer, Proverbs, is not 
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He's not saying that if you 
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Sinner or you're a bad person. 
He's not saying that at all. 

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This is descriptive, not 
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Do you understand what I mean by
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This is descriptive. 
The writer of Proverbs is just 

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describing something. 
What's he describing? 

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He's saying simply, this 
borrowing will create pressure, 

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obligation, and reduce freedom. 
That's all he's saying. 

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So I'm saying you're a bad 
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It's just like if you borrow, 
you're going to create pressure,

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you're going to create 
obligation and you're going to 

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reduce freedom, not because God 
is punishing you or someone is 

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punishing you, but because now 
your your future has a claim on 

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your present. 
Your future has a claim on your 

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present. 
It's, it's not like God's mad at

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you, like, well, you borrowed 
all this money, now I'm going to

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punish you and you're going to 
feel pressure and misery and 

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like no margin. 
No, it's just like, this is just

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a, this is just a law, like a 
natural law. 

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Like if I drop a, an item from 
up here, it's going to fall 

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because of the natural law of 
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The natural law of debt is that 
if I leverage debt, it's going 

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to create pressure, obligation 
and reduced freedom. 

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Not because someone is punishing
me, but because the future now 

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has a claim on the present. 
Let's be frank. 

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Most people, you and I, we 
borrow money because we're 

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trying to solve a problem. 
That's what most of us are 

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trying to do. 
We're trying to solve a problem.

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We're not trying to create a 
bigger, bigger problem. 

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We're trying to solve a problem.
If last week we said that the 

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key to our money challenges is 
not about dollars but about 

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authority, do you remember that 
that was the main idea last 

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week? 
So then if that's true, the key 

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to our money challenges is not 
about dollars but about 

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authority. 
How does debt impact this 

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authority issue? 
That's a question worth asking. 

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If I want to have the authority 
of God in my life, how does debt

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impact the authority issue? 
See, the necessary shift that 

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happens when you and I leverage 
debt or overspending is it has 

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to change who or what we're 
loyal to, who or what we serve. 

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It has to leveraging debt forces
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So the question today in this 
moment is if it's all about 

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authority and who has the 
authority of my life, how does 

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debt shift that authority? 
It's a question worth asking. 

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And that's our second idea this 
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Debt shifts of debt shifts 
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future dollars. 
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not just future dollars. 
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verse 24. 
You should have known this is 

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going to show up in this series.
This is something Jesus said 

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from the Sermon on the Mount. 
This is what he said. 

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He said no one can serve 2 
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Either you will hate the one and
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devoted to the one and despise 
the other. 

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He said then it's a period. 
And then Jesus said, you cannot 

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serve both God and money. 
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The principle that Jesus is 
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You cannot live with divided 
loyalties. 

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You cannot live with divided 
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And then he just uses money as 
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He just, it's just money as an 
example. 

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He's saying, hey, no one can 
have divided loyalty in their 

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life. 
You cannot serve both God and 

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money. 
For example, money's just an 

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example. 
You see, here's the thing about 

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debt. 
Debt doesn't just affect our 

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future, but specifically debt 
effects our future loyalties. 

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It doesn't just affect our 
future, it affects our future 

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loyalties specifically. 
Now be very clear. 

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Again, Jesus is, you know, 
thinking about Proverbs was not 

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a condemnation passage. 
Jesus here is not condemning 

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anyone. 
Jesus is not using shame here or

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guilt here. 
He's not saying, oh, you're a 

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terrible person if you serve 
money. 

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He's just saying, hey, here's 
the, here's the rule of life. 

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You can't serve two people. 
You can't be devoted to two 

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people. 
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Amen. 
Like it's just, it's just kind 

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of how humans work. 
Like this is just how humans 

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work. 
They they have to have a single 

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loyalty. 
He's saying, hey, it's 

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impossible to serve God and also
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In other words, whichever you 
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loyalty. 
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Debt has a way of forcing you to
shift your loyalties without you

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making an intentional choice. 
Debt has a way of forcing you to

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shift your loyalties without you
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So think about it this way. 
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indebtedness, then I've already 
committed my future. 

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I've already committed my future
loyalty. 

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I've already committed my future
effort. 

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I've already committed my future
energy. 

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So what I've said is that my 
future freedom is the currency 

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that I'm spending today. 
But I'm also saying that my, my 

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future will have to have a 
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creating today. 
So I know this is a little bit 

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of a nuance, but think about it 
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When we're carrying debt, your 
future decisions are already 

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spoken for. 
You have some decisions that are

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already made. 
You're not going to be able to 

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make them because they're 
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Your generosity, your margin for
generosity, for example, will be

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shrunk down. 
You'll have less margin for 

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generosity. 
So you think, hey, I want to be 

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more generous. 
Well, debt will automatically 

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bring that margin down. 
That's not a choice you 

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necessarily made to have less 
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That's a choice that debt make 
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Does that make sense? 
Our margin Forrest will shrink. 

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It just will. 
You can't rest when you owe the 

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man. 
I owe. 

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I owe. 
It's off to work. 

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I go I/O, I/O, I/O, I/O, I/O. 
I can't. 

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I rest. 
I rest. 

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It's. 
I have a bunch of debt. 

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Like it doesn't go, it doesn't 
go hand in hand. 

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Future decisions are already 
made for you because of debt. 

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Our ability to respond to God's 
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Debt demands loyalty. 
Specifically, it demands loyalty

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to income. 
How do you service debt with 

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everybody? 
Say income, you're all like, 

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man, this hurts you guys. 
Does this hurt a little bit? 

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It's OK. 
I'm, I'm not trying to shame 

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you. 
I love you. 

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Debt demands loyalty to income. 
And So what I mean by the fact 

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that that debt has a way of 
shifting our loyalty away from 

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God to income is that that's not
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It's something that's forced 
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debt to solve a problem. 
And so now we have to be loyal 

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to income. 
And let me explain this to you. 

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The replacement of making God 
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That replacement doesn't happen 
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No, because of debt, I'm slowly 
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God and I'm forced to focus on 
income so I can serve as debt 

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again. 
This isn't like you're a bad 

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person and you need to get your 
life together. 

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This is just descriptive. 
This is just what happens if I'm

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overextended, if I have a lot of
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that debt, then I have to earn a
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I have to be focused on income, 
and that's going to limit margin

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in other areas of my life. 
Again, not that I'm a bad 

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person, not that I'm dumb or 
stupid. 

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It's just reality. 
My son just said, well, if 

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anybody would like for him to 
live with you, let me know. 

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Oh man, break his kneecaps. 
I'm just kidding. 

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This is on YouTube. 
So again, this is not intended 

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to make any of us feel guilty. 
It's meant to function like a 

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triage or a diagnosis for you to
kind of just do some inventory. 

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You can't heal from what you do 
not name. 

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You got to name it. 
So debt feels helpful. 

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It does it feel, it feels like 
you're solving your problem, but

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it shapes future pressures. 
It creates pressure and debt 

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will slowly shift loyalty away 
from God. 

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It just has to, it has to shift 
it to money, to income. 

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Now, what's the alternative, 
Steven? 

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You always have a solution for 
us. 

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I do. 
There is an alternative. 

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The alternative is contentment, 
and this is the last idea. 

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Today, contentment projects. 
I'm sorry. 

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Contentment protects the future 
by quieting fear. 

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Contentment protects the future 
by quieting fear. 

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Now, contentment doesn't mean 
pretending that we don't feel 

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fear because we feel fear about 
the future. 

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It means that we're learning to 
trust God enough that fear no 

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longer gets the final say. 
Contentment protects the future 

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by quieting fear and slowing the
urgency that that fear creates. 

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All right, the writer of Hebrews
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Writer of Hebrews says keep your
lives free from the love of 

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money and be content in what you
have. 

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Because God has said never will 
I leave you and never will I 

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forsake you. 
Now that promise sounds 

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beautiful, doesn't It's just, 
can we just look at it for a 

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second? 
Keep your lives free from the 

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love of money and be content 
with what you have. 

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Because God has said never will 
I leave you, never will I 

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forsake you. 
It sounds beautiful and they're 

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beautiful words. 
But if we're honest, when fear 

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rises up in a view, have you 
ever had fear over financial 

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situations? 
Yeah, some of you are like, sit 

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down, son. 
Let me tell some stories. 

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When fear rises up in you over 
financial situations, when the 

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numbers don't work and the 
future feels uncertain, most of 

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us don't struggle in that 
because we don't know this 

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promise. 
We know this promise. 

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That's not like, it's not like 
if you just knew this, you 

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wouldn't struggle. 
No, we know this promise that 

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God will never leave us or 
forsake us. 

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The problem is not that we don't
know what the problem is. 

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Do we actually trust it? 
Do we actually trust that it's 

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true? 
You see, there's a deeper issue 

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beneath debt. 
That deeper issue is about trust

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in God, my Savior, that that's 
the deeper issue below debt and 

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why we leverage debt. 
You know, guys, debt has has a 

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power over us. 
Not because we're irresponsible,

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not because we're silly or 
foolish, but because at some 

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level we're afraid that if we 
don't secure our future for 

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ourselves, then nobody else 
will. 

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Like that's what we're afraid 
of. 

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Contentment sounds right and 
trust sounds good, but fear 

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keeps whispering this to us. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I know you read that Hebrews 
passage and I know you go to 

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church and I know you love God 
and all, but what if what if he 

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doesn't come through for you? 
What if this doesn't happen the 

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way you think it will? 
And here's the thing that that 

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fear, if that fear were true, 
like in other words, if God were

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distant from us and he's 
unreliable, in other words, if 

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it was kind of like we have this
God and he's up on a mountain, 

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but he's not really personally 
involved in our lives, then that

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fear would be reasonable. 
And borrowing from your future 

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would make sense to protect your
presence, right? 

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That would make total sense. 
But Christianity, if you're not 

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a Christian, listen to this for 
a second. 

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Christianity never asked us to 
trust in God. 

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Like in the abstract, No. 
Christianity says look at the 

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work and the acts of God and 
trust him based on what he has 

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done already. 
So in light of what he's done, 

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trust him, not in some abstract 
idea. 

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So what has God already done for
us? 

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When you look at Jesus, we see 
that that God came to earth. 

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Jesus came to earth, God in the 
flesh. 

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He came not to secure his own 
future at our expense, but he 

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came to secure our future at his
expense. 

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In other words, he paid a price 
so that I could have a future. 

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He paid a price so that you 
could have a future on the 

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cross. 
And think about this for a 

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second. 
All the things you're afraid to 

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lose, security and safety, 
knowing that you're OK on the 

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cross. 
Jesus lost the very things we're

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afraid of losing. 
That security, that provision, 

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that control over life. 
He lost control. 

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He lost all of those things we 
desperately want. 

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He lost the things that we use 
debt to secure. 

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He gave them up. 
Why? 

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So we would never have to wonder
if God would abandoned us. 

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How do I know God would 
abandoned me? 

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Because Christ died on the cross
for me, I can trust. 

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I'm not trusting God in the 
abstract like, well, I believe 

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God is good. 
No, I'm looking at the cross and

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I'm saying, well, God has 
already proven that he will not 

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abandon me. 
He's already proven that he came

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for me and met my greatest need.
And so when the writer of 

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Hebrews says, never will I leave
you and never will I forsake 

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you, that promise is not 
optimism. 

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It's not the writer of Hebrews 
is like, oh, this will feel 

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good. 
Let me tell the guys this, that 

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God will never leave you and God
will never forsake you. 

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No, that promise is based on a 
purchase, a purchase, a purchase

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made in blood. 
You, the Bible says were 

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purchased by the blood of Jesus 
Christ. 

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And so the reason God can't 
forsake you and can't deny you 

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because to forsake you or deny 
you would be to deny himself 

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because you are one with him 
through the blood of Christ. 

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And this is this is where the 
this is the deeper issue under 

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our fear around our finances, 
right? 

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This is why this message just 
can't be about going out and 

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changing your behaviors and 
getting really serious about 

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your money. 
No, the message is really the 

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deeper issue is like, do I 
actually believe the gospel that

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I am one with the heavenly 
Father through the blood of 

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Jesus Christ that he purchased 
for me and that this promise 

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that he will never leave me or 
forsake me is not empty 

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optimism. 
It is a purchased promise, 

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purchased with the most precious
blood of God himself. 

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Like that's the deeper issue. 
And when that begins to sink in 

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that I can trust this God 
because of what he's done for me

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through Christ, then contentment
stops being something we try to 

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produce. 
It's something that comes out of

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a spiritual practice of daily 
trust in God of as I say all the

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time, preaching the gospel to 
myself every day. 

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The God is all has already 
proven to me and to the world 

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that He's trustworthy because he
paid for my sins. 

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So let me be clear, contentment 
is not pretending we don't want 

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things. 
It's just choosing to trust God 

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more than we trust the urgency 
to get things. 

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Just that practice. 
And the more you practice 

456
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:41,280
trusting that God has taken care
of you, the urgency to borrow 

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00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,520
from your future weakens. 
Because you know it's not all up

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to you. 
God has proven He will be there 

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00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,800
for you. 
You know, consistently choosing 

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00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,560
trust will keep us from asking 
our future selves to pay what 

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00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,200
our present selves want. 
So when you're looking at a 

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present self moment and you're 
thinking about leveraging debt 

463
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,440
for something your future self 
is going to have to do, just ask

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00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,560
yourself, do I really want to 
put this on future Stephen? 

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00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,200
Because future Stephen's going 
to have to deal with this 

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00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,520
decision. 
And what can, what contentment 

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00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,640
does and trusting God does is it
keeps you from forcing your 

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00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,840
present wants to put demands on 
your future self. 

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00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,520
So here's some practical things 
that I just want to say to you 

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before we close. 
Number one, I want to be very 

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clear about this. 
This message is absolutely not 

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00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,960
been about and the scripture 
we've read has absolutely not 

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00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,120
been about saying debt is wrong 
and never use debt or faithful 

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00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,840
people who love God will never 
use debt. 

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00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,600
I mean, I have a mortgage. 
I have a great mortgage. 

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00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,320
I mean, it's amazing. 
I told my wife if I die and I 

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00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,960
get you get the life insurance, 
do not pay the mortgage off. 

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00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000
I told her I said put the money 
in the bank, let it draw 

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00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,440
interest. 
Because you, I'm telling you 

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00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,440
the, the interest rate on my 
mortgage is nothing. 

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00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,840
I would if they give me 100 
years to pay it off right now, 

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00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320
I'd take it at the rate I just 
read. 

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00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520
So, so the, the reality is, I'm 
not saying, and this the 

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scripture is not saying that you
know that, that all debt is 

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00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,760
wrong. 
Some debt can be strategic and 

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,560
some debt can be temporary. 
And let's be frank, our economy 

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00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,680
functions as a debt economy. 
I know dude. 

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00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,040
That's and that's brutal. 
Like if you notice that all 

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00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,400
we've talked about for like 2 
years is interest rates. 

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00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,040
Three years interest rates. 
My father did not like Jimmy 

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00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Carter. 
My grandfather loved Jimmy 

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00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080
Carter. 
Do you know what the single 

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00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,960
difference between them was? 
My father was middle-aged with a

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00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,320
16% mortgage. 
My grandfather was retired with 

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00:29:53,320 --> 00:30:00,640
a paid for house and CDs that 
were paying 10% later. 

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00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,440
My father loved Reagan and guess
who my grandfather could not 

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00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,040
stand. 
And what was at the center of 

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00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,440
that? 
Interest rates. 

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00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,720
So we are a debt economy. 
I get that. 

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00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,960
But what you and I as Christians
are being invited into is 

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00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,200
something deeper than rules. 
Like hey you shouldn't and you 

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00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,280
should. 
We're being invited into 

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00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,160
discernment. 
Discernment. 

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00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,080
The invitation this week is not 
for you to go out of here 

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00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
feeling guilty and shameful and 
being like, I got to fix this, 

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00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:37,080
no, but instead to just slow 
down and invite God into the 

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00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,160
conversations about your money. 
That's it. 

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00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Just pray. 
Before taking on debt or 

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00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,600
extending yourself financially, 
consider asking some questions 

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00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,120
in prayer. 
So one question you could ask is

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00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,760
what is driving this decision? 
Is it fear and patience 

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00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,120
comparison? 
Is it genuine need? 

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00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,640
Remember, debt will often 
promise relief and it'll tell 

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00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,040
you, hey, this will make things 
better. 

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00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,520
But it's stealing from your 
future. 

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00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,600
So it's worth pausing to ask 
what it is you're really trying 

517
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,920
to solve right now, and if 
there's a different way to solve

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00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,320
that problem than debt. 
Another question to ask is what 

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,160
will this cost my future 
freedom? 

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00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,960
What will this cost my future 
freedom? 

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00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,600
Will this decision limit my 
generosity? 

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00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,440
Will it limit my margin? 
Will it limit my ability to 

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00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400
respond to what God may ask me 
to do later? 

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00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,480
Remember, when we borrow, future
freedom is the currency we're 

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00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,680
spending today. 
You could say future rest, 

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00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,480
future vacations. 
You can say all that future 

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00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,600
freedom. 
And the third question is, have 

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00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,720
I invited God into this 
decision? 

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00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,000
And I am amazed at how many 
Christians I've talked to that 

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00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,440
will make major financial 
decisions and will not pray 

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00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:06,160
about it. 
So have I invited God in this 

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00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,760
decision? 
Not after the fact. 

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00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,480
Like, hey, God, by the way, I 
just went in and indebted myself

534
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,280
$50,000. 
I thought I'd let you know. 

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00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Can you help me make the 
payment? 

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00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,960
But I mean, before you make the 
decision, not just asking him to

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00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,520
bless it, but thinking like a 
thinking like a steward, like a 

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00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,200
manager instead of an owner and 
saying, God, I'm seeking your 

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00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,760
wisdom because I'm about to 
spend some of your money that 

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00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,200
you gave me. 
I'm about to leverage it in the 

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00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,760
future too. 
I'm about to leverage the future

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00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,200
income you're going to give me 
in the future. 

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00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,480
And I need your wisdom on this 
decision. 

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00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Will you bless me? 
Will you give me your 

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00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,400
understanding and let me know 
whether I'm doing a foolish 

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00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,720
thing or not? 
Just talk to God about his 

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00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240
money. 
Now, these questions are not 

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00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760
meant to shame you. 
They're meant to createspace for

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00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,320
wisdom, clarity and trust and to
try to help your discipleship in

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00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,440
following Jesus. 
The invitation this morning is 

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00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,600
freedom. 
It's freedom, It's freedom from 

552
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,320
pressure, it's freedom from 
fear, freedom to trust that God 

553
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,880
has provided for you and that 
it's enough that you can you can

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00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,360
be like, hey, what I have is 
enough. 

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00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,600
And that if he's provided for 
you in the present, that he will

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00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,880
provide for you in the future. 
You see, when you choose 

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00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,520
contentment and trust, we stop 
asking our future selves to pay 

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00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,880
for what our present selves 
want, and we begin living with a

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00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,440
freedom that money can never 
provide. 

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00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,120
How we leverage money shapes our
future. 

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00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,040
How we leverage money and how we
leverage debt shapes our future 

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00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,480
far more than it helps our 
present. 

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00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Will you stand with me as I pray
for us? 

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00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,120
We're going to pray for our 
brother Brad, who's still 

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00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,040
overseas just a few days left. 
I hope you've been using your 

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00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,320
prayer card to remember him this
week. 

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00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Father, thank you for this 
church. 

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00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,320
Thank you for the gathering 
we've had. 

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00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Thank you for just the Scripture
that it's not full of shame and 

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00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,440
guilt, but it's instead invites 
us into a better life, a life of

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00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,080
freedom, a life of wholeness. 
Thank you that you're proven 

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,960
that you've trustworthy. 
Lord, I pray that the brothers 

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00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,199
and sisters that have heard this
message today, whether in this 

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00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,520
room or online or later on a 
podcast, that they have sense 

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00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,480
that I love them and care for 
them and do not have any 

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00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,159
authority in these areas around 
debt and money. 

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00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,199
I only have the authority of the
scripture. 

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00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,120
And so we, we just, we trust 
that there's been no shame, but 

579
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,760
there's only been hope. 
God, we pray for our brother 

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00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,960
Brad. 
He's in South and he's in Asia, 

581
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,320
Southeast Asia. 
We pray that you're watching 

582
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,400
over him and his team and you 
protect them. 

583
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,080
Or we thank you that our church 
has been praying for him these 

584
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,600
past few days and we look 
forward to seeing him when he 

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00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,720
returns. 
And we pray for every moment of 

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00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,920
every second. 
Your angels are shielding them 

587
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,600
and shielding him specifically 
from any danger that would come 

588
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,160
to them. 
We love you. 

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00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,280
We thank you for our church. 
We're honored to have been given

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00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,160
this beautiful place. 
God, I just thank you for 

591
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,320
letting me start this message by
talking about my good friend 

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,880
John, who's in heaven now and 
all that he taught me. 

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00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Honored for that wonderful 
relationship and give you praise

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00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,360
for it. 
In Christ name we pray, Amen. 

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00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,720
Have a wonderful day, friends. 
We love you and we thank you for

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00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,360
being here today.
