When i left my job at Google, IT was both liberating but alto
terrifiing because i had ready susceted my Sense of worth two
the drop title at Google and all of Superman.
People were asking, so what do you do?
I don't have a good anster my response to the concerns to you
try and find a scriverti as possible.
Another tibele I would mixent for all of the rund business
just tobiable to say myse my identity, chse my contribution
to the World. Sì, I'm productive.
I matter. Here today in London to
interview allor lecamp a famoso blogger, writer e neuroscientist
e we talk about her latest book tiny experiment this on
interview whit Perfect for you if you feel tour ready stack in
live to you are in betweend phonees and you want to exit
from this rat and youf you feel that you want to start doing
things differently it's interview full of insights and
lot of points your start trying in your Life from today and
loro. Welcome to cosa sposta podcast
nobody can Google auto. And thank for joining me today.
So we're talking about obese, your latest book, and i like to
star with the content of the book, the experiments where you
believe it are the three main experiments da defined.
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May Writing experiment my journaling experiment and?
My public speaking experiment al secret, my writing experiment i
wus my first Real experiment. It's when i commited to Wright a
hundred artiles in a hundred week days and to publishd them
online vai a meno user. Thus the first time i really
player this i that idea of committing to something of
ascurios about for specific per time leting of the outcome and
sing what happens. And this reading experiment has
completi change my Life because it's the beginning of naslaps
that's what turnd in two nat Labs what is my business today?
The second One with you, my drink experiment with isll
running, i Journal every single Morning ort Kiss i try to it's
not Perfect and this is ready. The way i stay were of what's
happening Inside nudgesping attention to the external signes
of success per ree, checking in reggerely with myself, intense
of what I want and how allined my Works per what I want.
The last One, public speaking. Yeah, public speaking è
something i used to be terrified of and i designed experiment
where I would putter at first with short videos online than
online workshops and Small stages and this up speaking in
front of Modern two thousand people and I would lied that the
Fear is complete Gone it's not, but it's gotn to the point
what's White management and my sometime look.
To giving a talk now all three experimentation.
So. Di PACT as you descrive it in
the book, is I will try to do this for adoration and osser the
things change the. The corse of how You lo?
Ok for World to things the rease a lot of talking about the
outcome and you were talking about that as well raining now
One thing that reality me waste feeling that you cant of like
let go of identity in away do you Steel feel that you are
living like in between identies like the liminon Space you were
riferendo in the book from like Google Emploe or Wonder girl
Silicon Valley to un out writer neuroscientist like do you still
feeling between do you feel. Now your can i like a more
stablema. Image of Yourself, how do you
live? That yeah, I'm very much still
in living of Space, so as i explain in the book when i left
my job at Google. Both Liberating but al solito
terrificing because i had ready Associated my Sense of wheth to
the drop title at Google and all of the settend One.
People were asking me, so what do you do?
I don't have a good answer. And my response to that
canturenty Wes to try and find a squary as possible another
title. In my case, West storring the
start up for all of the rongses just to be able to say my chese
my identity, che is my contribution to the World.
Sì, I'm productive. I matters.
And what's change now is that I'm still in elemental Space in
the Sense that I don't have a very chiara idea of what my
career is going to look like of the next yours over the next
decads I'm not a hundred person share in termini di what I want
ever because that ke keepson changing that keepps on
evolving. They are moments when I want i
want to spend most of my time during Research al the Times
whereen I want to spendst of my time due in community building
and that's ok dei lazzarations lazza of insurance.
What changes my relationship to that insurance?
What I've managed to, I think, teach myself through all this
experience and through this experimental mindsite how to be
more comfotable and Los spaces, how to embracem and how to see
theme is more like an opportunity for groth.
And so how do you introduce your set rinow?
First, i Hope that people don't ask you.
And Action you know what it it's it's funny because I feel like
something that maybe has change to over the years is the kind of
people i spend time wheth and i feel like at a lot of networking
events i go to now conferences people action don't ready ask
what do you do o who are you but questions my like what you
working on right now what you carece about right now what is
an idea that you can't stop thinking about right now dose
the Type of conversations i find myself in today versus maybe
tengo when i was. In a moglie in your coreers, I
think that's been healthful. What do you do in General is not
ready. A question that comes up in the
Sense of what is you drop title, i pure people ask me a question.
Rich is fantastic, I think. But if if people ask what do you
do you i tell theme, I'm a neuroscientist and after and an
entrepreneur. Which i me e still Lidl been
impressive Bull, yes, yes. And you know what action when i
find myself in dose more tradizional conference where
again people are the first question today neuroscientist
were and it's only when i say that I am action working at the
University that I see the nude of an action neuroscientist
whosh is fassinating and something that a Confidi judge
containe about because again i wus i thinking exacty like that
ten us a go. I think that.
Future saing is leaning to the need for certaty again, like
having a job that is a titles on i know who I am, what i what I
want and i guest it why big changes big swins in Life Lux
attractive from a neuroscientist prospective what happens tour
Rain when we commit to Small experiments what is the change
emiing your personal experience what.
What's changed? I think trans that question it's
impoint to understand how the bring response to androy and in
General. I Brain osed design is design to
riduce anziolantiesment as possible.
And the reason why is because the more and sorrentiter is the
last likely you are to surives so think about her ansessual
past or ancester need to know asd much askd about there
environment so were to find resources who were the Friends
and enemies and the triband and trannc to ready predict the
future that would and trader survival and this is not you
hear Lit peple Saint that this is a problema.
A problem to be fix. I don't thing this is a problem
to be facx I think your Brain is working exactly as intended and
it's Frank to help you survive. The problem, the limitation here
is you want more than just arriving.
Action Graw You want trive you wanna push yourself, you mon to
get out of your comfort zone dance all of the survival
mechanisms can get in the way. And this is why big changes are
so scary. You're littley Injecting and
sorrenty in to your Life and so you pulling your brand in a lor
mode saying oh waite a second we fell like mew I was going on all
of the sutton were in a situation where we don't know
what's going online thing experiments are you are Small
changes are you way to inject change in your Life without
having all of the alarm Bells go off cos it doesn't feel as des
diserberizing. As when you just have to The Big
swks. Another reason why I think thank
experiment and against smory changes work better is that very
offend when we feel lick you make a big change.
Will you star is an excuse to not make any change at all,
because the change look so big. It feels like we with you do
allora a Research preparation when it fell ready to made that
change very a fan we don't make the change with all have dose
Friends or collecs da everytime we see theme dei keep onmi the
same thing oh yeah nexttyere I'll cot my job hastrered next
your helldy this nexter I'll move to that other CD or that
other country nexter Aldo des ort i sort reading a Book i that
all of this really big changes. And because of that you don't
you Dome wherese if you say next, i will start riting One
page everyday next. Your I will try to visite One
New place in my City. Every week end, as you can see
there still change, right ma? It's more iterative and you can
get started. Strade awayce more like
explosior therapy to game confidence in trimes things that
you are Kant like scare to do but you still trying to see what
happens without heating the between or nothing.
Esse a good way topi it anything.
The other benefit is you, Saint the exposer, so you better
manage your Fear three exposer. The other part is that you don't
assume that the change is gonna to be good for you.
Don't know you esse don't know is quering your job or moving to
the this other CD writing book is gonna to be good free and so
thing experiments readyen invitation to give it a try
first. Give IT a try.
Give IT a try for a più weeks. For a più month only commit to
that Small change. So an ex.
Mple by Podcast i really like is dat instate of Saint I'm ging to
star i podcast. Se I would create, I would
product One popcast season. E War have six episodis at the
end of that I can very gracefolly say that I'll stop
the that thuis just Dead the only season i wus planning on
creeding if it's not for me and if i love it i can keep on
going. So that's the shift that you
Mont to implement where you can try things Sea work for you base
on your home data, let your collecting about yourself not
based on what other people are saing and make in form
decisions. In the process.
Io can stop if you don't like it è giusto non so scrivi la try,
yeah? So you ruote it takes coraggio
to be curious because giving upfix plan cany a special
because Human crave control and Clear path right?
So aside from all the pact you descrive the way of trying
rating on tiny experiment alter any alter things recentely
discover on how to work with in un certating speciali for people
of planning W are very Street with the with the planning and
trial. Things figured out before
starting? Yes, I'm.
Part of this, people. Having a plan Give me the Sense
of control and I've con to realize that it's only the
illusion of control and the splensor giving me very offend
things keep on changing esperive in industry your udin the Kent
of workwar the Environment keepes on changing the players
keep on changing io acty doing yourself a dis service by kling
to your plan because your plan become obsolete.
Asch, you're done Riding IT something there encourt people
who's like that to do and were naturedy curios.
Yourse very offerte MON i work with people the ared Nature
there curious it's nuthed the not curios it's more that they
are repressing on Curiosity because the want to feel like
you're in control and Curiosity vuol make you open the lot of
Doors will give you the possibilityes by is not
necessari always healthing atlease when you're in that
divergent exploration fase not ready help and given you this
very cleer blueprint thank you can copia and pasta in ortobe
successivo. Su, something that I would
encorage fable to do is that Curiosity that you have and that
you are open Pretty good at directing extonary, doing
Research, looking at Numbers, looking at frameworks at moodles
that you can copy and past try and directed internity ask your
questions like whatfills right to me what?
Feels interessanti to me. How do you wanna spend my time?
How do you wanna spend my Energy?
How do i spend? I want to spend my attention.
This internault signals are also very Rich and information that
you can use to make decisions and to adapture path as you go
without the illision of control of creeding this Perfect plan
so. Inter of Saint here is a One
your plan of everything I'm going to do just telles, tell
yourself, OK Charles what I'm going to try for the next Cup of
moth ivent to try that I'm going to pay attention to the signs
extens signles is thing working making more money do you have
readers, more subscribers, more listen eccetera interial signs
adway filduring this quark. Because if all of the extra
signles are in the green but you hate every second, I'm working
on this project. Is that ready?
Success. I would Argo that it's.
Not. It's more like, are you planning
your own misury or. Yes.
Cioè you like. You like it?
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We planner old mistery all the time.
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that my be try to focus on how you feel the outcomes and that's
problem the and goal of the exploration and not just Bing
control the. All time and coming back to your
questionmark it du stick coraggio.
To be in that state of Curiosity because everytime something
feels a Little beat, unstable, wegle Unknown, we will want to
go back to the plants, we will wont to go back to control and
so been able to pause and say. Actually let me get ready.
Curios about What's going on year about How I feel about all
of the signles let me get ready cureda Sting curage like.
The opposite questionmark su instad of light restraining
yourself in to planning in state of doing things.
All the Times che we met throw the years yours were running a
lot of different things, like a lot of different tracks.
I'm Having this usuly successivo newsletter.
I'm i was working at Google IV an Enterpre I brow the Book I
doing always wondering, how do you balance Ambition with
experiment the right size? Can you do too many time
experiments? Yes.
Therapy. The same time It's a Bet metter.
But again, and this is why i talk so much about Curiosity, i
really takes being systematity curios about how you feel to
figure outther you arening the right number of experiment or
wether this is too much. There is aspetti with people
were quiet basilient a tendency to push yourself.
To do a lot more that you can do sustainablely because it takes
you longer to realize that something is rong.
We're very good at ignorang all of the signs and you see that a
lot in entrepreneurs, per esempio the Matt of the the
workload that the day can sustain the mat stress that the
can susten and it's not because your tecnica capable of
sustaining all of that stress and that workload for a short
period of time that you shod it. Stell, we do it so it ready
requires sping attention to me. This is journaling.
This is my tool to have this conversations with myself where
i can trying be as honest as possibile.
Nvidia asking myself, OK, how are you doing today?
Sometimes just ridin this and to ready answer that questionmark
the first words that come out. I'm Ready.
Tired, I'm exhosted. Willy, amount of staff Dead, you
pull of the World e si completa. Si completi you know, sometimes
I can't have a lot of Patrick going on and webcams.
I'm I'm really energized. I'm so excited.
I'm so looking Ford to working on the Essen so I have found the
burnout is not necessari link to the amunt of work that I have.
It's link to the quality of the work, the Type of work that I
have al solito, sometimes the the environment in cui i work,
the can of people i work with, the canne of expectations that
you have. And for me, for example, if I
have a lot of Agency in my work, a lot of Freedom to make
decisions, love Space to be createve to solve problem i can
action, have prevy high workload and be complete OK.
Construms around the way i work or that there is busy work that
to me doesn't make Sense that we cod cut.
I get ready frustrated and I can't get over want with tecnica
less work thank in altre situations.
Because this is not something you can just track with Numbers.
You computer dare una dashboard. I can't have indicators that
tell me if I'm over work in this way.
That's has to do more with Agency than the action quantity
of the work. It requires having some from of
metacognitive. Practice observing your on tat
and you on emotions to be able to know what's going on.
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is well, because the feeling I'm heavy rinow and.
M useful going Deep and death like the experiment part is Coin
of like the byproduct of the observing yourself part that's
the hard. Parth like understanding what
you need, what you feel who you are in the end and the
experimentation is away to uncover that part.
Atle, this is the Sense I'm having Ray now hearing you
talking about this why has a person who lies doing sheet i.
Hand up focusing on the experimentation pargonles
because it's funding staff, so it's a.
Good intuition you have because the antireur experimental methes
dai talk avanti in the book is inspired by the Scientific
methhod and the Scientific method on starts with
observation. So you cannot design a good
experiment giusto by being light.
Oh this an idea let me renderly experiment per desting
scientists always observe the current situation.
What is the current data telling us and what is something we cant
infair from this data that will be World exploing in maurite
collected more database based on that you formulato a hypertises
and the New tested and then you make decisions based on that and
so your Absolute right that you need to start from observation.
Andò in origine closed loop to close that experimental Cycle.
Gli unici al so finish with observation.
You need to observe what changed.
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wasncorrect. So i wash wandering is you so
Ive a very Active community do you have some tiny experiment as
you are were of from the people the follow the book or your
community that us substantial Life change from from the
experiment aside from the three that we stated interview it and
how that process you feel that overcamp precestination and
actually tryin the old experiment and just saing i One
day I would be the president of the United States.
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the next lives community i love. Some examples Tha i really likes
over the past your One of theme West this person che had Lost
touch with his fans and who decide to design a techni
experience and i will message One friend everywender for i
don't remember ha many weeks. Beh, guarda i love the about
that. Is that the the experiment
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dei di wanna talk to Heaven anymore and so he removese from
the equation by Saint I will send One message every week i
the reply good if the dont I've done my Jump right.
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outcome. Tom showing up and doing IT I'm
in the result of the experiment is that everybody was ready
happy to get a message it sounds ovvio it happened beh I think
forhement ready help hm get over the sphere and Active do it this
also an artist in the community who had stop painting Ford
because you Hat surgery and he ha developt this Fear that she
Lost some of her creative talent because she had able to practice
for a long time sushi design the time experiment for shed i will
go in sit in my studio for. Power everyday and do nothing i
love that because this nothing about presuring herself to
action produce anything just go and sit in her studio and do
nothing and what happened after White got so boarding in her
studio and doing nothing that ci pick up the brushes again and
storied painting again Beach i tallways Beautiful beh so many
different experiments Ive seen experiment frame people quattro
launchter community like the Square dei saded I will host One
zoom call every week about this stop it's and.
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curioso about. I've seen people Stard News
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my favourite once i when people like oh True experiment had
something and source a lot more work.
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something. Ducking al solito Bean
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my Phone in my bathroom for two-s.
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a short duration, and you observe what happens.
Every single person who trize this One report back da dc.
Positive downstream effects data steep, better productivity,
better welling in General è sempre a simple One rate.
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framework you have all this community using this framework
to try to change the Life and experiment different things.
Do you ever find yourself sleeping back into all abits
like trying to put very rigid goals or.
Thinking about like this Grand plan or this fix identity, how
do you work with that nike? A Hundred percent i can give you
very. Sound esemple.
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bookdill for Tang experiment all of me all control freak habbit
kinback rushing this need to be a New York time investiter we
news that mini bux and i need to get Blood that acculate for the
people and ius ready interessanti How I Hat to use
all of the tools in the book. In ordine to not Fall back into
this. It's very comment to Fall back
and to dose. Euromeric responces when
wereface with something that has a lot of pressure, a lot of
stress, but al is. Links to your identity.
I'll about you, but for me usa you wanna things tore this big o
su self worth because the book comes out and it flops
terribile. Ready to you think identity
without thinking about self World right and Sophia had over
the yourse ridin the New over i had developd an identity as the
writer and i had a lot of positive feedbacks my user wis
Great people enjoy and thing it helpful and all of super i fell
like i wures pulling that identity aswrider back on the
table perché now I's writing a book what a people sat action
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what the regret by in the book and what what the whathhefe and
all of data as you sayd tight you Sense of identity witches
tie to you Sense of selfureth. What's the experimentation that
you run to ridebook like that, to not fixading on becoming a
New York Times the seller or nothing?
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way i road the Book itself. At first i had red everywhere
that idee. You wanna spend a Little time on
the book everyday and so i trie to apply that penso i sate every
Morning. I wurstel Danna and i wallrite
for One Hour. OK, how let you go?
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open my laptop make myself hickup of caffe and go ready
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feel inspired dot fell like I have done enough Research on the
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the our i hadend nothing ORP and then what i notizie is that I.
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instaut of saying i will right One our every Morning i Sad i
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open my laptop and after five minuti i CO Tell.
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take you work a less and tourcast I'll do something else.
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and I would you two Hour Writing session because i fin i film
like something click and sometimes I would not touch the
book the intere week and then sudet euning.
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important for me in termini of thinking about the way i show up
and the way I think about my od success, really observing myself
observing the sickles and notising when i stort carin
about signles. Fino a dare imporrant to me and
so per esempio anytime I would go to the US and i want to an
entrepreneur retreet or conference, I would come back to
Europe and feel like ah, i can't believe Haven fut of that I
haved a long Steam from ebook i don't have a pure Agency i don't
have love this tenks and panec and feel like I'm no doing
enough I would you stake a fu days of observing this and
asking myself what segnals wh. I action care about people
reading the book and finding it healthful.
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in the, you know, whatever magazine the New York Times o
Whatever e moneste don't care. I don't mean this.
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it happened per. I'm not going to optimize for
the specific signol because it doesn't action ready matter, OK?
And again, IT ready, asking yourself, what are you
optimizing for? And Ivan, if other very
successful people are optimizing for altri signales, it doesn't
mean unit copy paste to signles unity figure out what are your
own signles of success. No i canc everytime i meat
entrepreneurshed thered more success for the mia and the DUP
trying to think oh wow dei do this, why don't dot this well
like yeah if it's it's easy to falling to the Trap offeso.
How do you say that in English? Like keeping up with the
johnses? Yes.
Psychology School Mimetic design.
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be good II sto feeling some of the things i see other people do
a Great streces of inspiration I would i've not stat about doing
it this way. So a Muthement Saint It's bad to
copy pay something from someone else, it's more but copy pasting
intention di asking yourself does that may Sense do i actiony
want to implemen this in my home system?
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this person idea of success. I'm chiusa by One Thing.
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Riding and i say this not the day, how do you feel?
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everyday it fell good, it fell liberating.
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pressure da wecreate onurselves and so imost Ford giving myself
a Little patton the back of sing cool you become ready good now.
I'm not pushing yourself for An Hour.
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veget sounds, but it's a mussel that you can build.
It's Ready a mustle you can build and you will not.
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pusher and you feel of the our you Justine tout and try to not
do it again the day after. Tosti, IT Works.
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dance ages remind me being City like this remind me that
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che is ging to die if i don't Perfect perform my job rate now
in this minute. And so I'm just being City, I'm
being playful, I'm heaving fund, I'm reconnecting with my Sense
of Joy remining myself of how Lucky I am be able to do therse
work and get up and dance on ever I want you this what is
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whatse I have to you that day and that can be a Little
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Little Woody in my desk. Can Relais it's ree hard to pace
creative work. Sometimes i hand up Writing for
Ours Street and I feel unstoppable some other days if
it is the most misurable experience iver had and.
It's a Mystery. Ma It's a Mystory earthing the
reality about you book is treating failure not as o no i
filed is this a bad thing and i will for my Life which i invit
everyone who is listening us right now to to feel buthe as
who sorry but just as data like orry i try is it it in work
essel from the writing do you have a The examples from you
from your community to share I think orso too cant of light
break the stickman of things not going exactly.
As you hopd for. Haveing exeample in the Book le
open because it's in quei people can relait to and.
That's Runcreative work for me was Youtube so something
somehope Captain happingening in the pass Colle of years whis
that everybody around run me cap saing you need Youtube Channel,
Youtube Channel Youtube if you not on Youtube you're not going
wable to Gore you community your business is going to Hell.
Youtube is the future. So thugh me cares nel sede.
OK, let's. Think.
'S talking about. This Youtube.
I sate OK let's let's Let me experiment for dut let me give
you a try. And so i design think
experiment. I will publishd One Youtube
video every we cancelled the end of the year.
I think oktober November. And let se what happens.
And i really di like IT. I really di like IT.
The external signons were good, and the Sense that the World
people watching commentaing Living God comments prey
positive. The Channel was growing, so if i
had only pay to the extenal signons the experiment technity
you success but internal signs. I hated IT everytime i had to
sit down in front of the camera and tuck to myself i fell so
uncomporable i fell so first i will not looking fortwo it and
so i desideri to stop and someteople may say this is a
fayeur in the Sense that I did not manage to start and sustain
and graw a Youtube Channel but me if your play the experimental
mindset it. Success.
I don't know. Before running the experiment e
now I know. And now when people tell me you
need Youtube Channel and my a builder.
Happening. So.
When you approach experiments with this mindset, when you
really. You remove this binary
Definition of success and fare su when you have a very specific
goal outcoming mind for your experiment.
Then U say this is successive i get there and if not this is
fare when you let go of the outcom and the only goal you
have is to learn something you. Zen, as long as you know more
about yourself, about your work, about what you want to do by the
n of the experiment, this is success.
By the way, it's super tringe to talk to a camera like it's One
of the most. I don't.
I can't totally relative every time i try to do that myself.
If there is anyone not in the room like in the building, i
need resurance from the is it's ok, you can do that.
Yeah, Ice. I don't know why It's to hard.
But it's Succenture Looks Becaused sydness.
E wised I can't have a conversition Nick this and is
compiuti OK but Iene talking toy camera is ready and so the
reason why is because we use we use Real Time use from the
people we talk to know how are you doing when we talking and so
this is why hear you know you're nothing you're smiling I'm like
oh cash keep going in the Direction and I'm not doing that
in culturating on man your waits very National thing to do were
seeking appruval with the camera you get non of the scuse.
Io di lei in the feedback after the video is going to be publess
and so your effective talking to Wall and is very a Natural for
us and abrain is trying to get to get signs to get feedback and
is nut get anything whiskey is very confusing, One of the main
reasons why we feel so aquardt when talking tour camera.
How do you work with long term gos now from the book, it fears
that a lot of what you're descriving is useful for
Breaking in arsha Breaking a momento where you are in a rat
or you feel you need plining poi what about like beagle starting
a family or by House? Like how do you feel about that
today even if is not covering the book per just by yourself
Life, what you are feeling of this now?
I don't believe have goals but i do you have pagex and I think
it's a big different with a goal again your creating this
password to beat to do this by the date and having this
particure outcome wherees with the project you're working
online on it and you can chip away edets a Little bet every
day or every week dependding on on what you want to do i've done
that with Buying House for exple where it's ai OK what meets to
be done this speak you just do the thing that me down the speak
and. Anything READY?
Almost any big project can be Breaking down in this way.
Monster, you remove the artificial goal.
I love that I jemmy think that in Mose caes goals are not
helpful now homeful the creeding artificial pressure you're going
to make progressive you just show up and treat it take a
project. So to me the are thing
experiments there aree a way to get started and this is ready
design to get started to figura your system e dei particolarity
healthful in Times of un cernty warry nut qualche shore what the
next step shoult be? On Step's the case, you can
upgrade your experiment to habbit or project o whatver may
Sense. Experiment I would Save for
esemple that my next lives news err is not ready an experiment
anymore. I have experiments within that
news herr sometimes i tried different from it on New things
after fiveing it every week. It's not a ting experiment
anymore, It's story as a tinging experiment you mayd be
experimenting with your Health reteen in ascolto if youd but
the runner the yoga and high you want i meal prepen and i love it
so you can run time. Experiment want you fund
something that Works for you. Thi can become parte of your
habbit and rothms. Have to be an experiment Forever
but if you start noticing that things don't work anymore maybe
Times experiment again and so that's why want you run enough
thing experiments in any i feel like you know what I'm get to
something that feeling it Works Pretty welfare.
Maybe upgrade that to again project to a hubert a routine e
can beati a bigger experiment wc.
It doesn't have to stay athat experimental stage for ever.
OK, so you can graduate to. Yes.
To Hu Habbit ordiscarted if it doesn't.
Fee Wit. So we're Closer to the end of
our interview and i was wdering. Do you have like a practical
first time experiment? Do you want to share with the
viewers something that you maybe red from your community or you
trie your self if you this is a good star like you want to try
the framework, this is the thing.
So i never ever evercome the specific experiments perché i
will go against the antire idea. What i recome and doing to get
started is I have an exercise in the book da lei col self
anthropology and that's really about spending twenty Four
hours. Observing your Life pretende
your anthropologist for twenty Four hours take a Little notes
thukan be in your notebook thu can be on your Phone and il nome
taking up and as yourself what gives me Energy what Dreams my
Energy when i my excited and entusiastic what are the
meetings where i want go and hid in a corner because i hate being
here just asking yourself this questions without Eni assuction.
So pretendering da your discovering dislife there is
yours for the very first time. I garanti you that if you do
that for twenty-four hours you will notice things what ex
experimenting with you will notice that you are things than
you's been doing at the routine or habbit da you never
intenttion di considerare. Your Automatic patterns in your
Life what means you can experiment, you can try
different way to dot. And when you design your first
experiment, i always tell people please, please, please keep it
tiny. Just One tiny experiment at the
beginning so you can see what Works.
If you experimenting with a thousand different things at the
same time is gonna to be really hard to know what variable are
having an impact. So keep it simple, keep it very
very Small. And Dance if you wanna try a
secca and thank you experiment or if you wanna go a Little
bigger with this One, ora as you set just descrive it have
doesn't work for you. Sono insted of suggesting some
count of random experiment your suggestin star with observing
wish. By the way the very first part
of the book. So if anyone is talking for the
we will link it and. From there you can star wdering
i mud try this ormai try that to change How I feel or do i relate
with some part of my of my dayly routine?
Is. Adesso.
The question the started this podcast is un Italian
questionmark witches cosa sposta we cant of like lucyly translate
to what does move the needle? Ovvio there is a lot of things
to move the needle but if you have to pick One in your Life
that significare move the needle in terms of getting what you
Wanted in get Closer to who you want to be.
What is it? Curiosity, Curiosity, Haswell,
move the needle fro me. Been curious about How I feel
being curious about How I spend my time.
Been curios about other people. Been curios about ideas and
being reality. Radical coraggiously.
Curious about Everything. Thank all for your time.
You can find tany experiment I think in Italy on Amazon.
It's not in ting it, but we will get there and.
Thank you for your time allora, and good luck with your next
thank thank. Experience.
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