1 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,480 Thank you for joining us on another episode of Lifegate 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,280 Podcasts. Today we have a very special 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,560 guest, somebody who was very impactful and meaningful for 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,080 Lifegate Church, somebody who left a very big imprints on not 5 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:29,360 only myself, but many people inside of our church. 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,640 And we we're we're very blessed to welcome Presper Brother Shane 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,360 Stewart with us here today. Thank you for joining us, 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,960 Brother Stewart. With Cameron, with a Johnny. 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,640 It's an honor to be here excited about this. 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,160 I've certainly been enjoying all the podcast, all the episodes 11 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:48,360 I've got a chance to listen to have been really good and so 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,760 excited about what you guys are doing. 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,840 So mainly with the, with the podcast, we, we, we really want 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,360 to capture what made made the person, how God shaped their 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,960 life, basically, you know what I mean? 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,400 And well, I guess what, what started your relationship with 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,960 God? Were you, were you raised in 18 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,120 church with your mom and dad? Were they were they were? 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Do they raise you in in church? So my story is that I am third 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,480 generation Apostolic Pentecostal on my dad's side. 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,840 I am second generation on my mother's side. 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,000 My great granny Dial was received the Holy Ghost many, 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,160 many years ago. She since went on to her reward. 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,800 That's my that was my dad's grandmother. 25 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:40,640 And then and then my Granny Stewart soon followed. 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,840 And then my dad at a early age got the Holy Ghost on my mom's 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:50,360 side, my grandmother, my Granny Queen, which is my mom's mom, 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,240 received the Holy Ghost and my grandfather soon followed. 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:59,280 And then it just went down. So and then, you know, I've 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,560 never known anything but this. So I kind of cut my teeth on the 31 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,160 Apostolic Pew. Just I made a joke last week 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,280 here at the church said, you know, I, I slipped under, under 33 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,200 the Pew many times while somebody was shouting. 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,920 So that's all I've known, you know, is that is this. 35 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:20,200 So I'm, I'm thankful today that 3rd generation on my dad's side, 36 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,000 second generation on my mom's side and my, my children are now 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,600 4th generation Apostolic. So. 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,480 That's awesome. Whenever you were when you were 39 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,400 growing up, did you, did you feel like like you just knew 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,400 from day one? Like you were like I, I know 41 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,440 this is for me. Did you have that experience 42 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,000 growing up or did you ever have any doubts in your mind? 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,880 You know what I mean? Man, I never questioned it, to 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,640 be honest with you. It was just, it was so ingrained 45 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:46,080 in US. You know, when I was a kid, you 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,480 know what, we had a drug problem. 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,640 We were drug to church, you know, Sunday morning, Sunday 48 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:55,440 night, Monday night prayer meeting, Tuesday night Bible 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,360 study, Wednesday night midweek service, you know, Friday night 50 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,680 youth service. And so we were always there. 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,120 If they were cleaning the church, mowing the yard, guess 52 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,520 who was going to be there? We were. 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,840 And so, you know, it was just always, something has been 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,600 ingrained in me ever since I was just a little kid. 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,320 And I never, man, I never thought anything other than 56 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,640 this. I mean, it's just I knew from a 57 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:23,040 very early age that the Lord had a call on my life. 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,120 The Lord didn't tell me, my granny did. 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,800 So he told you through her. Say it again. 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,560 He said he told you through her, through her. 61 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,040 That's right. That's exactly right. 62 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,280 So do you think that when did you, when did you first start to 63 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,320 feel like God was going to use you? 64 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,000 You know what I mean? When did you get that feeling 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,200 God was putting a call on your life to do something greater? 66 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,600 You know, so like I said, my granny, she always would call me 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,840 her little preacher man. And, and every man I can 68 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,040 remember every night, my grandmother and grandfather, we 69 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,920 live right next door to him. I stayed at their house a lot. 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,120 And every night my grandmother and grandfather would, you know, 71 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,800 they have their time of prayer and then she would read to me 72 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,080 out of the Bible. And my favorite, favorite Bible 73 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,000 story was David and Goliath. And so her Bible would just fall 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,839 open to, to first Samuel 17. So, so we, I knew that story and 75 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,680 I could just see myself, you know, every, like I said, every 76 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,520 day she would just tell me, Oh, you're my little preacher man, 77 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,680 little preacher man. But I, you know, so, but as I 78 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,120 grew, got older, I started to feel the call of God on my life. 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,400 And it was one Sunday night service. 80 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:43,880 I was 15 years old and a man, the Holy Ghost was moving as I 81 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,320 was in a little country church out in the middle of nowhere. 82 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,520 And that's where we went to church at the time. 83 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,880 And so, man, the Holy Ghost was moving people shouting and 84 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,640 dancing. And I had one of those, you 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,440 know, the Apostle Paul moments where I'm not sure if I'm in the 86 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,600 body or out of the body experience, you know, And so 87 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,520 everything around me went silent. 88 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,760 I mean, I could still, you know, kind of see everybody, what 89 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,800 everybody was doing. But some, like everything else, 90 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,800 went silent. And it's the first and only time 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,120 that God ever spoke to me audibly. 92 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,160 And it was the audible voice of God. 93 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,320 And maybe the Lord knew I needed that because I'm hard headed. 94 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,120 So. And so in the middle of all this 95 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,400 shouting, everybody worshiping God, everything gets quiet. 96 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,840 And when it gets quiet, the Lord speaks to me and he says this, 97 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,320 he says, Shane, Shane, preach my word. 98 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,880 And when I, when he said that man, I just broke. 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,800 I'm, I'm crying, you know, of course, like I said, everything 100 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,840 is going crazy around me. You know, it was a typical 101 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:46,760 Apostolic worship service and and I'm sitting there on the 102 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:52,720 front Pew just weeping, sobbing, you know, and so in because I'm 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,800 hard headed, I asked the Lord if the Lord, if that was you tell 104 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,880 me again. And so immediately, immediately 105 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,120 Lord comes back and he said, Shane, Shane, I said preach my 106 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,560 word and then everything come back. 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,800 Like I could see everybody shouting, everybody dancing. 108 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,760 And so it was really one of those God moments, the only time 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,920 in my life I've ever heard the audible voice of God. 110 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,600 And so it was man, it was a powerful moment in my life, 15 111 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,320 years old. I prayed about it for a week or 112 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,720 two, went to my pastor, talked to him and he tried to 113 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,920 discourage me and you know, just not not I don't think because he 114 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,040 just told me. He said that this is a hard Rd. 115 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,840 If you want to, you know, if you're going to walk, walk this 116 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:40,560 path. I have no doubt God may have a 117 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,680 call in your life, but I want you to make sure. 118 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,560 And so I appreciate that. And so before long, he had give 119 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,720 me an opportunity to preach. It was about five of the most 120 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,160 terrifying moments of my minutes of my life. 121 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,480 And so it was. But I knew the Lord had His hand 122 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,680 on me from that time, you know? And so I begin. 123 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,800 I started preaching around age 15. 124 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,920 Wow. So one thing you mentioned that 125 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,120 it's kind of been a recurring theme for us on these podcasts, 126 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,040 but it's the parents work in their child. 127 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,680 So for you, you mentioned you were always at the church and 128 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,840 you had not only your parents, but your grandparents. 129 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,480 Man, what an effect that can have on a, on a kid. 130 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,880 And that's just something we've been getting a lot of when 131 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,600 people feel like, oh, you don't need to be pushing it on your 132 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:28,720 kid. And you know, that's the new 133 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,640 thing in today's day. You don't let your kid figure it 134 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,800 out for themselves and don't push this on them. 135 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,960 But obviously they did it right. And you have no regrets about it 136 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,120 because I mean, you never you, you're put on the right path and 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,040 you're able to stay there. And it's such, such a blessing 138 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,160 to be able to have parents who are so invested in their kids 139 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 and even grandparents were so invested in you and, and, and 140 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,080 giving you that even from such a young age. 141 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,280 I just, I think that's awesome. Yes, I, I would like to say that 142 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,480 this world is pushing their doctrine on our, on our kids. 143 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,960 And so we better be doing our part to try to get the truth in 144 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,760 our, in our children. And, and I think faithfulness 145 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,360 has to be modeled in front of them. 146 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,480 And so if our, if our children are going to live for God and 147 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,520 they're going to look back and set where I'm sitting now in 20 148 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,480 years or 30 years, man, they better see consistency in the 149 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,480 life of their parents and grandparents. 150 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:32,720 And man, that just the childhood I grew up in it, it made me who 151 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,880 I am today. Now, I will tell you, my mom and 152 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:42,400 my dad both back slid, walked away from the Lord for a period 153 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,360 of time. My dad and my mom got divorced. 154 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,240 I think I was about four years old. 155 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,160 And so my dad went away from the Lord for a long time. 156 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,920 Matter of fact, I didn't even see him again till I was almost 157 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,920 seven years old. And then, you know, through a 158 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,720 course of events, I started seeing him every other weekend, 159 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,720 that kind of thing. In a week or two in the summer, 160 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:10,840 my mother got remarried. She got back in church and then 161 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,600 you know, and but I thank God for godly grandparents that were 162 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,040 always consistent and faithful. And my mom is my mom is in 163 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,400 church today doing great. They're they're great people. 164 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,960 My dad is yes, my dad has passed away several years ago, but I 165 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,800 will tell you this little quick story. 166 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,400 Before my dad had my dad had a a problem. 167 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,560 He he couldn't stay in church. He would come in, pray through 168 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,120 be in church for a few weeks, maybe even a couple months, and 169 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,000 then he would fall away. You know, there's he just, there 170 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,440 was so many things that pulled on him, tugged on him. 171 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,120 But when my dad was diagnosed with cancer, I started praying 172 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,880 and I said, Lord, I know you can heal his body, but I'm more 173 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,960 concerned with his soul. And so I want you to heal him, 174 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,000 but if you choose not to heal him, at least you know less. 175 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,040 I want things to be right. And so I was praying. 176 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,120 I was at work one day. I was praying, man. 177 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,480 I was just, the Lord was really working on me. 178 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,640 So I called my wife. I said, Monica, I said, I'm 179 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 going to go, I'm going to go see dad this afternoon. 180 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,640 At this point, he was very sick, very weak. 181 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,840 So when I got off work, I drove to his house. 182 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:22,920 I walked in and walked in the door. 183 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,280 I knew I was on a mission about the Lord had been dealing with 184 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,800 me all day. So I knew I was on a mission 185 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,280 from God. So I walked in the I walked in 186 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,960 the door. When I walked in, my 187 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,400 grandmother, my Granny Stewart, his mother was there. 188 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,640 My aunt, one of my aunts was there. 189 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,480 And then I have two cousins that are backslidden still today. 190 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,000 They were there. And so when I walked in the 191 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,600 door, I walked in and closed the door behind me and I turned to 192 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,280 my 2 cousins and I said, hey guys, we're about to have a 193 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,680 prayer meeting. And if you don't want to be 194 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:54,080 here, you might want to leave. And so I immediately, I, I said, 195 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,080 we're going to start praying. I turn the granny into my aunt 196 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,920 and aunt and I said, hey, let's, let's pray. 197 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,480 And so my dad was so weak. He was laying on the couch, 198 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,680 couldn't get off the couch. He was just, I mean, he just, 199 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:06,960 he, he, I mean, he was, you know, 110 lbs soaking wet at 200 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,000 this point. His cancers just destroyed his 201 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,200 body. And, and so I walked over to him 202 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,640 and I knelt down beside him. I said, Hey, dad, I said, I want 203 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,200 to, I've come today to pray for you. 204 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,160 And when I did, when I said that, immediately tears begin to 205 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,040 roll down his face and he said so much you don't know he is is 206 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,600 that I've been on the phone today. 207 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,640 I've called your mom. I've tried to make things right 208 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,560 with her. And he had been my mom and him 209 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,520 been divorced for many years at this point. 210 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,920 He said I've called other people that he he knew he had things he 211 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,000 needed to fix and make right. Him and the neighbor lived just 212 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,880 down the road. They had been in a argument for 213 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,240 some time. He said I talked to him today 214 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,040 and apologize and try to make things right. 215 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,760 He said, I knew you were coming. And so I said, well, Dad, I'm, 216 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,960 I'm about to pray for you. I said, you have repented of 217 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,560 your sins, obviously. And he said yes. 218 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,440 And tears just streaming down his face. 219 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,760 And I said, I'm about to pray for you. 220 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,920 And so we started praying about 30 seconds. 221 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,080 I reached over and laid my hand on his head immediately began to 222 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,440 speak in tongues. The Holy Ghost filled the room, 223 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,720 you know, and, and so it was very powerful. 2 weeks later, I 224 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,800 stood about his casket, you know, so thank God. 225 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,840 Thank God that he was, you know that he's a loving God, gives us 226 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,520 an opportunity so, so powerful. What a, what a, what a powerful 227 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,800 testimony. What, what encouragement would 228 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 you give to those who might find themselves in a situation where 229 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,280 they're trying to pray for a loved one or a family member 230 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,880 who's out? Because obviously you had to 231 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,360 live a long time where you maybe you felt like you were having to 232 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,840 pray for your father and hold out that folk. 233 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,440 What, what what? What? 234 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,920 Would you give advice to somebody who finds themselves in 235 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,960 that situation like? Never stop praying. 236 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,520 I'll be consistent pray and plead the blood of Jesus over 237 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,720 him. God keep him safe and deal with 238 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,920 their heart. Let him remember what it feels 239 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,840 like for your presence to be you know for them to be in your 240 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,400 presence. Let him remember what it feels 241 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,280 like the joy and the peace of the Holy Ghost Remind them of 242 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,160 what a good life it is living for the Lord. 243 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,640 And that's what I prayed and God just drawing keep your hand up 244 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,800 on him and pulling tug, tug on his heart. 245 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,680 And and then the hard prayer to pray is God, whatever it takes, 246 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,240 get their attention, whatever it takes. 247 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,120 And that's a difficult prayer. And I had been praying that with 248 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,000 my dad. It took a diagnosis of cancer 249 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:30,200 and ultimately a death sentence that led to a life, a life 250 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,480 sentence, you know, so, so man, consistency living for God. 251 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,200 And then also just consistency in your prayer like that unjust 252 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:43,400 judge, you know, just keep going back knocking, just keep going 253 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,320 back and saying, hey, God, we need you to, you know, I need 254 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,960 you to touch this. I need you to move in this 255 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,600 situation. Absolutely. 256 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,840 Yeah, that's a that's a prayer that Dad, dad always told me or 257 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,240 even growing up, he said he's the one number one thing to pray 258 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 for when you pray is just to tell the Lord whatever it takes 259 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,880 for you to get me to where I'm, I'm saved, whatever it takes. 260 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,360 I may not like it, and in that time I might be arguing with 261 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,400 you, but right now to do what you got to do, to make sure that 262 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,440 I make it to heaven, because that's what's most important. 263 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,760 Yeah, so many people are afraid to pray that prayer. 264 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,920 But man, when when you weigh things in in the balance of 265 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,720 eternity, no matter what we have to go through here. 266 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:22,520 It'll be worth it. It's. 267 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,000 Going to be worth it if if we're saved, if our, if our children 268 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,000 are saved. So you know that prayer God, 269 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,120 sometimes, sometimes people have to hit rock bottom. 270 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,400 Yeah, before they ever look up. And so that's difficult, 271 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,680 especially when it's someone that's close to you, a parent, a 272 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,120 child, you know, whoever you know, close friend, whatever. 273 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,280 But when you pray those prayers, you got to trust God that God's 274 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,320 got his hand on it and God knows exactly what it's going to take 275 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,120 to kind of reach their heart and, and to soften that heart. 276 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,960 So, you know, that's it's a hard prayer to pray. 277 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,480 And sometimes we got to be willing to take our hands off of 278 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,600 it and say, OK, God, instead of praying God, keep them from all 279 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,920 this stuff, yeah, you know, got them all back up and take my 280 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,640 hands off of it and let you do what you need to do because 281 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,440 their soul is the most important thing. 282 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,000 Another another thing that really stood out to me when 283 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,240 you're talking a second ago and just it's just a powerful 284 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,120 testimony is that you know, it it everything doesn't always 285 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,440 have to be right in your life, right? 286 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Like every your parents not to be perfect for you to live for 287 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,000 God, right? And that's important, especially 288 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,880 when, you know, I think of some of the younger kids in our 289 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,760 church in that way, how they can grow from that. 290 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,160 I guess my question would be, you know, what kind of, I guess, 291 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,600 speaking from the influence that your grandparents had, what kind 292 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,760 of influence can we have in the life of those who might find 293 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,160 themselves like maybe they don't have a good father, a good 294 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,000 mother that's just going to tell them this is what this is what 295 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,160 the truth is. You know what I mean? 296 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,160 What kind of influence can others kind of have that maybe 297 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,440 your grandparents would have spoke to, you know what I mean? 298 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:54,680 Yeah. So I think the. 299 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,760 History of the body is so important, the body of Christ. 300 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,920 And so if if you're an elder in the church, maybe your grandkids 301 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,640 are not in church or maybe they don't go to church there, find 302 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,280 somebody to mentor, find somebody to pour yourself into. 303 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,240 We have we have elders in the church here that are, you know 304 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,160 that they are great godly examples. 305 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,120 And so I think that it's very, very important that children 306 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,400 that don't have godly influences at home, that they find those 307 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,000 godly influences somewhere. So man, if you got, if you know, 308 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,480 you got a young man in the church, but you got a season 309 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,720 saying an elder in the church that can man take him fishing 310 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,880 and talk about the Lord or, you know, take him to breakfast or, 311 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,400 or just there has to be somebody needs to be somebody in their 312 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,040 life that can, you know, mentor them and help them so that they 313 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,360 can see, Hey, I can live for God. 314 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,840 Because a lot of our elders, they didn't have anybody leading 315 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,520 them. They come, they come into this 316 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,840 brand new. I mean, they're first generation 317 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,400 apostolics and they're trying. They they had a lot of 318 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,240 resistance then that we don't even face today. 319 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,160 And so, but they're a testimony that, hey, you can live for God, 320 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,119 even though your parents may not or your may not have had godly 321 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,200 grandparents or whatever. But I think it's so important 322 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,839 that we have the ministry of the body. 323 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,920 And that's what I try to encourage our elders. 324 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,000 Hey, they're watching you, You know, they, they watch me as 325 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,240 pastor, they watch Sister Monica as his first lady. 326 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,880 They they see our other leaders, but they need to know that, man, 327 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,960 you can live for God even when, even if your parents are not or 328 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,280 your children, you know, or your grandparents are not. 329 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,080 So it's so important that we have godly examples in the 330 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,320 church. Yeah, and that and you know and. 331 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,760 A lot of people are probably thinking, well that, well, 332 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,200 Shane, that's, that's easier said and done. 333 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,760 But I will like to put a note in there that for us in particular, 334 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,680 when we were going through that as as high schoolers, you, you 335 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,360 lived that you and a couple other people at at Lifegate at 336 00:17:56,360 --> 00:18:00,360 the time, you guys lived by what you preach by taking us as 337 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,720 little heathens and and trying your best. 338 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,040 And I was probably one of the I was probably the worst one. 339 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,360 But even still, you know, me and Kobe were competing for it. 340 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:09,200 But you still, you still lived it. 341 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,800 It wasn't just you said it, you lived it, you know, so that I 342 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,080 would like to put that in there. You actually did you. 343 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,800 And like I said, a couple others Brother Mac would would take us 344 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,640 and you tried your best to obviously it worked to some 345 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,280 extent because here we are. That's right. 346 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,680 So I want to put that in there. Absolutely. 347 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,240 So you you got the call to from God 15 years old and you got 348 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,680 that opportunity to speak. What kind of lessons did you 349 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,440 learn in that period of your life? 350 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,400 You know, oh man. Every step along the way I've 351 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,640 learned and grown, gleaned and the, you know, the ministry 352 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,400 journey has been, it's been pretty amazing, man. 353 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,760 I, you know, as a, as a 15 year old for the next three years, I 354 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,440 was under, under my pastor there, brother Carl Malone and, 355 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:05,000 and, you know, help me in a lot of ways learn to, you know, 356 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,840 study the word of God, really try to apply its principles to 357 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,800 my life. And then I was, you know, I've 358 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,960 always kind of been a revivalist. 359 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,920 I believe, you know, that God wants us to have great revival 360 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,160 there, that we should be reaching in the field. 361 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,120 One of the, one of the funny things is we, I was out door 362 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,240 knocking one day. I was young. 363 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,920 It's probably 17/16/17. It's outdoor knocking one day 364 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,240 and I ran into another group that were at the two young men 365 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,400 that were outdoor knocking. I won't anyway, but they were 366 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,360 outdoor knocking. And so I engaged in a 367 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,480 conversation with them and I'm very quickly realized I didn't 368 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,280 know as much as I thought I did. And so the Lord really got to 369 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,720 dealing with me. And he said, hey, if you're 370 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,120 going to be a witness, you need to know what you're talking 371 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,920 about. And so it made me want to dive 372 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,120 in. So because the Bible tells us 373 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,600 that we need to be ready to give an answer of those that ask. 374 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:07,240 And so when I couldn't come back and give biblical answers to to 375 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,920 the rebuttal, you know, I, I had to be able to the Lord really 376 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,360 start dealing me and saying you need to you need to dive into 377 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:14,560 this. If you're going to preach this, 378 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,120 you got to know it. You got to know. 379 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:20,240 It and so man, it really has a 1617 year old young man made me 380 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,160 decide you know what I need to get into the word of God. 381 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,000 I mean, I don't know. I don't know all I thought I 382 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,920 did, you know, So it helped me. Well, that's why. 383 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,120 You know, there's, there's a lot of back and forth with a lot of 384 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:34,760 people on, on licensing, right, with, with the UPCI. 385 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,240 But you know, one thing that I've learned just through my own 386 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,440 personal studies, like, and talking to Cam, I was like, you 387 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,480 know, one of the biggest reasons behind that is they want you to 388 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 prove or, or it, it motivates you to learn everything that 389 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,080 you're supposed to know and, and, and prove that you do have 390 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,200 the discipline to learn it. So I, I, I just throw that in 391 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,160 there too, because it's something that I've been looking 392 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,280 at and just like, OK, why, why is this so important? 393 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,520 Well, OK, this, this makes sense. 394 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,280 It's because they want to make sure that you want to make sure 395 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,480 that people are disciplined to know and are ready when that 396 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,400 time comes. And I think there's a lot of 397 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,760 people and I, I myself would be included that I'm, you know, 398 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,560 you're not. If someone came in and said, 399 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,520 Hey, let's, let's, let's debate. I'd be like, man, I'm not 400 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000 intelligent enough for that. But it's, it's something that 401 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,680 it's like in the same thing. It's like, OK, well, that's why 402 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,760 I was like, well, I got to start digging in, especially because I 403 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,800 don't want to get to the end of time and become before the Lord 404 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,280 and God be like, you had all this time to learn all this 405 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,640 about me and you didn't, you said you love me, but you didn't 406 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,240 do the simplest thing of learning about me. 407 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,320 And that, that convicted me a little bit over the summer. 408 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,760 So I, I, I, I applaud that, Yeah. 409 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,000 So let me say this about about licensing while I'm here. 410 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,600 So while you brought that up, I have the, I have the privilege 411 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,320 of sitting on the district board now. 412 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,880 And, and so we have a licensing seminar every year and 413 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,080 candidates come and, and you know, we interview them, we 414 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,080 break up into subcommittees and we interview them. 415 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:04,640 And you would be surprised, maybe I'm a little hard when it 416 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,280 gets it, when it, when it comes to that. 417 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:12,960 But you would be surprised at, at, I'm sitting across the table 418 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,040 from, from somebody that's trying to get license. 419 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,960 And, and I asked a question like, explain to me the oneness 420 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,360 of God. And they're like, I'm like, give 421 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,560 me a scripture about the oneness of God. 422 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,960 I, I don't, I've, I've literally had them tell me this. 423 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,680 I, I, I don't know any scriptures on the oneness of 424 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,800 God. And I'm like, time out. 425 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,400 You're here getting license. You have been through this 426 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,760 training and you can't give me one scripture on the oneness of 427 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,040 God. There's a whole book you have to 428 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,120 read besides. There's the Bible. 429 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:56,000 There's like 6066. So you know, so, so, so my, my 430 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,600 thing is, is that man, we, we got to know the word of God. 431 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,560 And so when they come sit down in front of us as a, as a, you 432 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,120 know, a subcommittee and then the district board, I want to 433 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,160 know, do they know about the oneness of God? 434 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,320 Where other than Acts 238 can we find the plan of salvation 435 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,000 right? Because Acts 238 is our candy 436 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,520 stick. Everybody knows that, right? 437 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,880 But what about Acts 8, Acts 10, Acts 19, Acts 22? 438 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,640 What about John 3? Must be born again of the water 439 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,160 and spirit, you know? What about? 440 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,640 What about all that you know? So when they sit down across 441 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,560 from us, I want to know. Do you? 442 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,200 I'm not asking you who Melchizedek was. 443 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,800 You know what I'm saying? I'm not asking you something. 444 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,640 I just want to know, do you know basic biblical truths that you 445 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,800 can share with somebody else, right? 446 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Because if you're going to be in the ministry, you got to be able 447 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,680 to share this truth. You got to be able to tell 448 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,000 somebody and be confident. About it. 449 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,960 That's right. That's right. 450 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,840 And lead them through the word of God. 451 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,400 Those scriptures need to be highlighted in your Bible. 452 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,720 They need to be underlined. They need to be you know you 453 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,200 need to put them in the back of your mind so that if somebody 454 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,600 asked hey, let me take you to let me take you over to this 455 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,600 scripture to show you so that we need to know you know, first 456 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,960 Timothy 316 great is the mystery of godless God was manifest in 457 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,040 the flesh just by the spirit scene of angels preaching the 458 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,400 Gentiles Amen received on the world believed up in you know 459 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,440 believed on the word received up in the glory you know so we need 460 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,920 to know that we need to know Deuteronomy 6 and four hero is 461 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,960 the Lord our God is 1 Lord we need to be able to say to tell 462 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,320 those scriptures and give a give an answer to those that ask So 463 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,440 man, it's important we know this truth Yeah and you know it's 464 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,880 crazy like. I don't know who else mentioned 465 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000 it before, but like it's funny to me how the doctrine that we 466 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,520 believe in is. The most? 467 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,360 Heavily attacked too and, and what's crazier to me is like, I 468 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,320 mean, oneness has always been something that's kind of been 469 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,640 attacked, you know, from the trinitarian side of it and so 470 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,200 forth. But now it's not even just that 471 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,760 now you're, you're getting attacked even more so on 472 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,200 speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, what is the, the gifts of 473 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,840 the Spirit. And now they're even going after 474 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,960 baptism. So it's like it all well, you 475 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,520 don't really have to be baptized like man it you're just they're 476 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,080 they're not trying to attack each other. 477 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,040 They're like specifically trying to attack this one, which just 478 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,480 so happens to be us, which tells me it's like we must be on to 479 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,320 something. But it's crazy. 480 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,840 It it's true that I mean that was. 481 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,840 That's the book of Acts. I mean, it's the book of Acts. 482 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,600 So it was constantly under attack in the book of Acts. 483 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,920 You know it. But that persecution's what led 484 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,600 to great revival. And so, you know, had there not 485 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,400 been persecution, the church would have just been confined to 486 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,760 Jerusalem. But because there was such 487 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,480 persecution in in Jerusalem and it made the word of God spread. 488 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,400 And so the word of God is spreading. 489 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,760 We are having great revival. People are getting the Holy 490 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,080 Ghost, people are getting baptized in Jesus name. 491 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,480 And so thank God for that. But it's because there's such a 492 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,440 push back, but there's a hunger for God. 493 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,560 You know, we look at the world today and we, we know that, you 494 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,000 know, there's a lot of wickedness, evilness out there. 495 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,440 But there's also man, there's, there's also some hungry people 496 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,240 we saw. That a lot with what's his name, 497 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,960 the guy who just got killed, Charlie Kirk. 498 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,560 Yeah, I'm not not AI don't know much about him. 499 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,600 But I mean the amount of just uproar that happened with people 500 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,440 who are now just because of what he was and what he said. 501 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,920 They they're reading the Bible now they're wanting to learn. 502 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320 I will agree with that. There's there's, there's a you 503 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,000 can sense that hunger in the world that there's, there's got 504 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,880 to be something here. Well, even. 505 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,680 Beyond that, I would say that the more that the denominal 506 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,280 world kind of morphs into one, one real belief, you know, the 507 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,880 more the other organizations like the UPCI leading the 508 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,280 charge, you know, but they stand out. 509 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,440 And we really do stand out in the crowd, still standing up for 510 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,200 something. We don't just morph into this 511 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,840 one kind of doctrine that's being spread around basically, 512 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,040 you know, so. You know Jesus name baptism. 513 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,240 If you can't see Jesus name baptism in Scripture, I mean man 514 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,920 you you need to ask the Lord to remove your the blinders off 515 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,800 your eyes because there is nowhere in Scripture ever did 516 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,040 they ever baptize in the titles Father, Son and Holy Ghost. 517 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,160 I mean it was always in the name of Jesus. 518 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040 We got scripture after scripture tells us Acts 412 neither is 519 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,720 there salvation any other none of their name under heaven given 520 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,640 among men whereby we must be saved. 521 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,280 And so that name I tell our people here, we're baptizing 522 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,800 people. I tell him, I said, look, 523 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,520 there's nothing in the water. I, I, we, we feel this badge 524 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,200 through straight out of the tap. You know, there's nothing in the 525 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,360 water. The powers in the name. 526 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,440 And so when you come into the bride of Christ, you got to take 527 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,840 on the name. And so we have scripture after 528 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,440 scripture that says the name is what's what's important, you 529 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,240 know, So what would you? What advice would you be given 530 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,600 to I guess younger ministers who maybe who feel the call of God 531 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,040 in their life beyond just we talked about studying those 532 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,960 things, but how would you say you should be responding to the 533 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,760 to the call of God? You know what I mean? 534 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840 What, what encouragement. So I think the first. 535 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,520 Thing to do is if you're a young man, you need a man of God in 536 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,680 your life. Let me back up. 537 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,120 Every person needs a man of God in their life. 538 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,320 I don't care if you're 5 or or 95, you still need a man of God 539 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,720 in your life. But if you if you're a young 540 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,720 man, you fill a call of God on your life. 541 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,680 Fill a call to to ministry, pulpit ministry or or any kind 542 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,240 of ministry. You need a man of God in your 543 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,240 life that you will submit yourself to. 544 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,720 And let me say something about submission while I'm here. 545 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,760 So submission begins where agreement ends. 546 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,200 And so when as long as we're always in agreement, Cameron 547 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560 there, there's no need for submission, right? 548 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,160 But when disagreement comes with the man of God in your life, 549 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,520 that's when submission shows up. Hey, I may not exactly agree 550 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,600 with this, but I'm going to submit my will to to what the 551 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,560 man of God is telling me. And so, so I think the the first 552 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,680 thing is, is submit yourself to a man of God, somebody that's 553 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920 that's seeking the Lord, following the Lord and, and, and 554 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,000 then just ask him, Hey, pastor, where, what, what can I do? 555 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,680 What's the next step? What do, what do you want me to 556 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,040 do? Work. 557 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,120 And, you know, because I believe, I believe in Bible 558 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,120 college. I believe in all that's great. 559 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,840 I think, of course they need to add it. 560 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,040 Bible college is how to work a paintbrush and a hammer and A 561 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,400 and A and a toilet brush and there you go. 562 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,720 Useful skills. I got to tie a trash bag. 563 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920 Yeah, yeah. Change a light bulb. 564 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,080 I had to do that this morning, by the way. 565 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,680 So, you know, but all that, that all that's good. 566 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,720 But I think you've got to submit yourself to a man, to a man of 567 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,680 God. And then from there, as he gives 568 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,680 instructions, you know, obviously study the word man, 569 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120 teach a Bible study, teach a Bible study. 570 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,560 I mean, that's what I'm trying to tell our young guys here as 571 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,280 man, find somebody to teach a Bible study. 572 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:42,360 And I mean, we're having amazing results across our movement with 573 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560 P7 clubs, CMI, all those kind of things. 574 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,480 And so there there's people out there that want this. 575 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,200 You just got to go find them and you got to work in the Kingdom. 576 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,280 You know, I think it's so important that that if you're 577 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,480 going to be called the ministry man, you, you get your hands on 578 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,400 the wall and help pull somebody from the flames of the fire, you 579 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,680 know, and so well say, say. Say say you're, you're, you're 580 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,640 I'm hearing your words. I'm like, OK, well, I do want to 581 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,400 start a Bible study, but that can be a little intimidating. 582 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,720 I'll just being transparent. It can be a little intimidating 583 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,040 for someone to be like, OK, well, how do I start this? 584 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,720 How do I go about it? You are very good as as I've 585 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,320 heard and as we've heard and have experience with that. 586 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,760 What what would be your what would be your again advice on 587 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 that for someone like you're a little intimidated for the just 588 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720 this idea of starting a Bible study with people and leading 589 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,840 the charge in that regard. So almost like tell you like 590 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,360 this. So one thing they tell us on my 591 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,200 job was, you know, I've worked for CentOS now for a long time, 592 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,880 almost 20 years. And so they told us, I'm coming 593 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,280 back around to your question. So, but they told us when you're 594 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,200 having a conversation with with one of your customers, it the, 595 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:01,480 you know more about uniforms than they ever will, right. 596 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,360 Well, if you've been, if you grew up in this and you know, 597 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,920 you've heard enough teaching and preaching through, you know, 598 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:13,920 over the time, you're going to know exponentially more than 599 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,160 what the person you're teaching the word of God to. 600 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,360 And so, and to be honest with you, it's, it's pretty easy. 601 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,520 There's a lot of biblical or a lot of helps out there. 602 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,560 Now, there are numerous Bible studies. 603 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840 I know at Lifegate, man, we, we taught exploring God's word. 604 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,960 I still teach it here, you know, and so, but there's simple, 605 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,760 endless, marvelous lot. There's all kinds of these 606 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,200 script, all kinds of these Bible studies that you can take and 607 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,720 they just walk you through it. So, and when you walk in there, 608 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400 don't go in there with arrogance, but go in there with 609 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,960 some confidence saying, and I mean, I, I know this because 610 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,480 I've heard this all my life. I've studied it and it be 611 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:02,400 prepared, you know, but but the other thing is, is that if you 612 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,200 have people in your church that are new to the church, they need 613 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160 somebody to teach them. So a small group setting, which 614 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,560 is what we utilized at Lifegate when we were there, we would 615 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,080 take my family, Monica and myself and at the time our 616 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,400 children and we would, we would couple that with another, you 617 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,480 know, another family or two. Usually the brides were one we 618 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,840 had, I can't remember who was in that Bible study with us, US and 619 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,280 the brides, but anyway, and then we had Jason and Rachel Brister 620 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,280 and we had Amanda and Brian, Brian in, in our in our Bible 621 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,520 study. And So what we would do is we'd 622 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,480 make it, you know, we would rotate between homes when we 623 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,600 goes out of our house next week with somebody else's house. 624 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,280 And so we would do that because you're building, not only are 625 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,120 you teaching the word, but you're also building 626 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,960 camaraderie, building friendships. 627 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,000 You're, you know, you're building relationships and 628 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,520 you're connecting them to the church during that. 629 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,800 So I think it's so important that we build connections, make 630 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,920 connections while we're teaching the word of God. 631 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,600 And so anybody teach, anybody teach a Bible study. 632 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,480 If you're brand new to the church, you can teach a Bible 633 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,920 study. People can argue with your 634 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,880 theology, but they can't argue with your experience. 635 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320 If you got the Holy Ghost, man, you got a testimony. 636 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320 You can share that. You say, look, I don't 637 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,840 understand all this. I don't know all the details. 638 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,160 All I know is man, when I come up out of that water, man, God 639 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,200 fill me with the Holy Ghost, man, what a difference is made 640 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,000 in my life, you know? And so you got a testimony, 641 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,480 Share that. But. 642 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,920 It's speaking, speaking and all that we were talking about on 643 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,080 the way here. I said, you know what's crazy? 644 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,040 What I'm excited about this one for is so we got so many new 645 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,920 families and and we've moved grown so much with Lifegate 646 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,000 since you were there, that not many people or there's a lot of 647 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,120 people that don't know how integral a part you played in 648 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840 the growth of Lifegate. I mean, oh, railroad Abed. 649 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,120 I mean, I can't think of oh, railroad Abed without the 650 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,000 Stewarts being there. You know, we would, you know, 651 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,280 like I said, as as little heathen kids, but even just 652 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,639 growing up, you know, outside of that, man, we had some, some 653 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,880 amazing services where, you know, when, when pastor would be 654 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,880 out of town and, and you would take over and it'd be like, all 655 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,600 right, we're about to get a fireball here today. 656 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,520 But it was nice. But I was like, there's such a, 657 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,360 the stewards were such an integral part of Lifegate's 658 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,719 growth that people now, you know, unless they were there, 659 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,920 they don't know about that. So it's, it's, that's what makes 660 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,480 this exciting. Yeah. 661 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,159 I mean, I think just just a testimony, that's one thing 662 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,280 people need to know is that Brother Stuart's not talking 663 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,960 from, he's not talking about platitudes or things that he 664 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,760 wants you to do. He's talking about things that 665 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,000 he has done throughout his life. You never got too big to teach a 666 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,560 Bible study. You know what I mean? 667 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,199 It's the call of God for everybody, isn't it? 668 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,719 So so I. I would like to take a moment 669 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,640 and and say to brother and sister Penton, thank you for the 670 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,640 opportunity. 7 1/2 years at Lifegate, You know, when we came 671 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,800 to life Gate, we and we had just walked through one of the 672 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,240 darkest times in our lives, one of the hardest trials in our 673 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,800 life. We had a pastor before that that 674 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,360 I was leaving truth. And at that point he even tried 675 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480 to get me to turn my fellowship card in and I came to me and 676 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,440 said, Hey, I'm going this direction and I'd like for you 677 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:32,200 to come with me. And, and so I immediately said, 678 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,160 if you're going that way, I'm not going that way. 679 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,320 And I'm just, I'm not walking away from what I know. 680 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,880 I mean, I'm, I've got too much invested at this. 681 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,960 I was a young man at the time, you know, and so I've got too 682 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,840 much invested in this. I've seen my, my great 683 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,800 grandmother, my grandmother and my grandfather and my mother 684 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,000 live for God and hold on to this truth. 685 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,960 And I'm going to raise my kids in this. 686 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,680 So I'm not, I'm not leaving this. 687 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,960 And so we came to Life Gate Castle Dr. you know, and we got 688 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,920 there, it was literally a divided church. 689 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,640 I mean, it had a it had a wall coming out. 690 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,000 I mean, literally you had you had about 2020 or 25 chairs in 691 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,160 the front, about 15 in the back or something like that. 692 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,200 And so, yeah, I mean, there was literally a wall that come out. 693 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,880 And if you sit in the back, you couldn't see. 694 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,200 You just had to listen and walk by faith or sit by faith. 695 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,600 And so, but when we got there, I don't know, I think the church 696 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,480 was probably 2530, maybe, maybe maybe 35. 697 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,280 I don't, I don't. It wasn't much more than that. 698 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,720 And so we got there, you know what? 699 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,880 And when I got there, I had a conversation with a penton and I 700 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,960 told him, I said, hey, I'm not coming for a position. 701 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,680 I'm not. We need to heal. 702 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,760 We need to, I don't know how long we'll be here. 703 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,920 All I know is this is where the Lord told me to come. 704 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,320 And so for the next 7 1/2 years we were at Lifegate and man, we 705 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,680 saw great things happen. The church moved from Castle Dr. 706 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,120 bought the building on old railroad bed road and, and just 707 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,960 totally remodeled that, turned it into a church. 708 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,280 And man at the church just started growing and it 709 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880 continued. And man, I thank God for what's 710 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,320 you know, for what God's done there. 711 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,320 And man, the beautiful building you guys are in now, what a 712 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,200 miracle, you know, thank God for that. 713 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,560 And so, but through those, you know, through those 7 1/2 years, 714 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,080 brother, brother Penton, sister Penton, they man, they trusted 715 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,120 us, allowed us to, allowed us to teach Bible studies, allowed us 716 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,160 to, to be involved. We were served as youth pastor 717 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,360 for several years, was assistant pastor for a while, just 718 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,760 everything that was going on Lifegate, we were trying, we try 719 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,120 to be involved in. And so we literally just tried 720 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,840 to put our hands on the plow, not look back, you know, And so 721 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,560 because I'm Kingdom minded and I, I realized that at the time, 722 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,280 I thought we may be at life gate for the for the rest of our 723 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,040 ministry. But that's kind of been my my 724 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,920 pattern is that wherever I'm animal buy in and I'm going to 725 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,080 get, I'm going to give it everything I've got because even 726 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,920 previous stops before we got to life gate, I, I thought I would 727 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,760 never leave. I thought I would be there and 728 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,440 continue to help grow that church. 729 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,480 But what I'm, I guess the point I'm trying to make is is that 730 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,200 when we got to life gate, God had a work for us to do. 731 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,320 And so we just try to get in and do that. 732 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,040 And brother and sister Penton allowed us to do that and we 733 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,600 learn a lot and grow, grew a lot, gleaned a lot from that 734 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,120 from that time that we were there. 735 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,640 I will tell this one funny story while I'm here. 736 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,040 I'm going to pick on your dad. Just a minute, Cameron. 737 00:38:54,040 --> 00:39:00,080 So brother Penton, this is for you, Cade. 738 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,880 Cade was wanting to get baptized. 739 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,560 And so brother Penton is very green. 740 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,960 And so when if you've been through the colors test, brother 741 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,080 Sister Hughes, you'll know what I'm talking about. 742 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,080 All you life Gators. It's been through that. 743 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,880 And so we've actually done that here too. 744 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,560 But anyway, so Brother Penton is he's going to analyze 745 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,000 everything, all this kind of stuff. 746 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,920 And so Cade was wanting to get baptized. 747 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,560 And so I told Brother Penton. I said, hey, Brother Penton, but 748 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,920 Cade wants to get baptized. He's ready to get baptized. 749 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,240 And Brother Penton was trying to buy a baptistry and so he got 750 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,880 bogged down in the details of, of, of, of buying a baptistery. 751 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,040 And so I finally went to and this was rocked on for probably 752 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,960 four or five weeks. And I said, Brother Penton, if 753 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,640 you don't, if you don't buy a baptistery, I'm going to take 754 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,040 him somewhere else and baptize him. 755 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,160 So, so Brother Penton finally bought a baptistery and we 756 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,280 baptized cake. But anyway. 757 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,720 That's this is a push. He needed you. 758 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,760 Know it was the push he needed so I hope I was as much a help 759 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,200 to him as he was to me. That's the. 760 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,840 That's the. Baptistry we have now in it. 761 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,360 Yeah, we still still still use it. 762 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,720 Yeah. So that joker was heavy. 763 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,400 When you all would move it, man, I remember that. 764 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,560 So he he got him a nice one, you got him to get a good one. 765 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,320 And so, you know, this is kind of touching on this and and 766 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,920 don't have to get necessarily too, too deep into the details 767 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,240 on this portion, but this is one of the hardest things that a lot 768 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,680 of people face in church. And that's disappointment in a 769 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,440 human and a disappointment in a pastor. 770 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,400 And a lot of times that's where people turn away from God 771 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,760 because somebody didn't live up to their ideals and didn't live 772 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,920 up to what to the Bible's ideals, you know what I mean? 773 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,120 And so a lot of people end up getting bitter and kind of just 774 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,840 because naturally you're hurt. I mean, I would be hurt if 775 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,800 somebody you trust does that. I guess could you speak to 776 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,680 somebody maybe that like there's just because somebody fails, God 777 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,480 is still good. You know what I mean? 778 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,080 Sure, let. Me, let me recommend a resource 779 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,120 right here for this, too. It's called The Root of 780 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,640 Bitterness. I'm sorry. 781 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,800 It's called The Bait of Satan by John Verveer. 782 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,120 It is a great, powerful book. I try to read it every couple 783 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,000 years because there's going to be disappointment, there's going 784 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,960 to be hurt. There's going to be 785 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,480 difficulties, You know, I've had the privilege of pastoring here 786 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,960 for eight years. I know I'm not always done 787 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,240 everything like they wanted me to do it, you know, and I know 788 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,680 that I there have been times when people have left frustrated 789 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,600 with me or whatever. And and so, but I don't, it's 790 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,680 important we don't let that turn into a root of bitterness, you 791 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,600 know, And so there have been in our lives, there have been 792 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,120 several times where different situations, circumstances have 793 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,880 have led to hurt, you know, and, and, and I hate to use the word 794 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,840 church hurt, but you know, because I mean, it's just hurt, 795 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,400 you know, you just hurt. And so, man, when you're, when 796 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,760 you go through some of that stuff, it's so important to 797 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,600 understand that we're all still in the flesh. 798 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,280 We're all still battling the flesh. 799 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,760 And sometimes even leaders, myself, including especially 800 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,840 myself, make decisions that looking back, we may say, man, I 801 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,000 could have done that a little different or I could handle that 802 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,840 situation a little different. Or because I can assure you 803 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,240 every, every leader takes takes those decisions home with them. 804 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,640 They go home. I, I know somebody might go home 805 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,320 hurt, but they go home and they're carrying the burden of 806 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:49,560 that decision with them too. So when they so I think it's so 807 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:55,080 important that we step back and realize that although man may 808 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,520 have hurt us, God never has never hurt us. 809 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,680 And, and that even though we're in the middle of a battle, I 810 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,720 would, I've always said this, I would a lot, a lot rather walk 811 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,760 through the storm, knowing Jesus is holding my hand, then try to 812 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,160 go through it by myself. Because the Bible clearly tells 813 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,680 us that it rains on the just and the unjust. 814 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,880 The same storm that hit the wise man also hit the foolish man's 815 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,000 house. And so the difference was the 816 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,880 aftermath, how I came out after this, right. 817 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,040 So the foolish man built on the sand, but the wise man built on 818 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,200 the on the rock. And so man after the storm, the 819 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,600 wise man was still standing, his house was still standing. 820 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,400 The foolish man was not the aftermath is what was different. 821 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,840 And so when we face things in life, if we're built on the fact 822 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,280 that God is good all the time, you know, even in the middle of 823 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,840 my problem, even the middle of my trouble, even in the middle 824 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,920 of my situation, I don't want to charge God foolishly. 825 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,760 Job right. But I want to just say I'm going 826 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,280 to trust you. You know, I'm going to, I'm 827 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,840 going to, I'm going to keep my faith in you, even though I'm 828 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,160 dealing with this problem, even though I've been hurt, I'm still 829 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,080 going to trust you. And so through that, when you 830 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,120 have that understanding, you can say, man, God really is good. 831 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,760 And what what I found out is the older I get, the more I look 832 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,320 back and see that God was really developing me through those 833 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,160 times. He was working in me or maybe 834 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,080 sometimes he was working something out of me that that 835 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,880 had been, you know, that had been hidden. 836 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,760 And so the Lord's trying to take something out of me that was, it 837 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,800 was in my life that didn't need to be or, you know, or he was 838 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,200 letting. I was growing through the 839 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,960 process, you know. And so Joseph wasn't ready for 840 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,720 the palace till he went through the pit, through Potiphar's 841 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,480 house and through the prison. It took some time. 842 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,640 He couldn't have handled the promotion when he was still 843 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,120 wearing the coat of entitlement from his father. 844 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,320 So there had to be some stripping away. 845 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,120 And so he, that coat was stripped and then he gets into, 846 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,480 you know, he gets into Potiphar's house and he's, he 847 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,000 loses another coat, you know, and so contentment, I think, you 848 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,840 know, he was content. Everything that Potiphar had was 849 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,880 under his hand. And so he, he loses that code of 850 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,760 contentment. Oh, Joe thought, I'm not doing 851 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,320 too bad. I think I'll stay here, you 852 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,520 know, right. So and then God said, I'm not, 853 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,600 that's not what I promised you. There's a, you know, there's I 854 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,520 got something greater for you. And so he goes to the prison and 855 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,680 he gets down in there and all of a sudden, man, I, this is, you 856 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,840 know, I'm everything's under my hand. 857 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:32,920 The, the, the keeper of the jail. 858 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,120 You don't even know what's going on here. 859 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,600 I'm running everything. And, and then all of a sudden he 860 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,280 loses another coat and he ends up in, in the palace in front 861 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,000 of, in front of Pharaoh, you know, and God had promoted him, 862 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,000 but it was promoting him through peril, right through, through 863 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,680 the things. And so the key is, I think when 864 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,160 we go through things, whether it's somebody's hurt our 865 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,960 feelings or we're going through a battle or struggle, the key is 866 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,560 to step back and say, OK, God, what are you trying to teach me 867 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,000 in the middle of all this? What do you want me to learn? 868 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,720 What am I? I need to know God so that I can 869 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,800 grow. Because I'll be honest with you, 870 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,800 if I was Joseph, I wouldn't want to go back to the pit. 871 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,160 Nope. I don't want to go back to 872 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,200 prison, you know. And so the key thing is, is to 873 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,960 learn what you need to learn in those situations so that you 874 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,040 don't you don't have to repeat those you know or stay longer. 875 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,840 Or. Stay longer. 876 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,440 Yeah, I, I tell a story around here sometime, you know, that 877 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,120 years ago I'm, I'm walking through my front yard and I fall 878 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280 in a hole, twist my ankle real bad. 879 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,960 You know, when I, I get up, I'm hobbling around, you know, I hob 880 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,840 around for a week or, you know, 10 days or whatever. 881 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,400 And I'm thinking, man, that stupid hole, it wasn't a hole's 882 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,240 fault, you know? And so I think I'm going to fill 883 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,960 that hole up. Well, six months later, I'm 884 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,640 walking to the yard and following the same hole again. 885 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,600 Whose fault was it? It was my fault for not filling 886 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,600 the hole up, right? So I didn't learn from my 887 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,680 mistake. So we got to learn from what 888 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,440 what we what we're going through so that we can grow and move 889 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,800 forward. Time I. 890 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,480 Kick one of Braden's toys. I wake up in the morning and I 891 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,840 kick it. You know, you kick a train or 892 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,480 something like like, OK, I'll get it here in a minute. 893 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,120 Then you forget about it. Then the next day you do it 894 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,560 again like I thought I moved it. No, there's nothing like. 895 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,920 Stepping on a Lego or a hot wheel at 2:00 in the morning, 896 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,920 you know, Yeah. It'll make you say all those 897 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,600 good, good, good words. Peter, James. 898 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,560 Paul. Hallelujah. 899 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,280 Oh yeah. So I guess, I guess one question 900 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,800 for you is, I guess having an experience because you've been 901 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,120 under several pastors, but you're also now you've been a 902 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,600 pastor for eight years and obviously oppressed, bitter, but 903 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,480 what do you look for in a church? 904 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,560 Wherever you're like, man, I want like, because we all we all 905 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,840 need somebody who's always like, you know, helping, but somebody 906 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,240 in your church like what's like speak from experience of being 907 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,520 the person who who, who helps further the the message out. 908 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,960 Maybe not from the pastor's side. 909 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,440 And then also as a pastor, what you look for was somebody who's 910 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,480 who's who's like, I want them involved. 911 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,200 I want you to I want, I want to help encourage them base. 912 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,440 I want to light their fire. So. 913 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,080 As a pastor, I think, man, you look for hunger if somebody's 914 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,400 hungry for the things of God, but it's limitless where they 915 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,480 can go. Faithfulness, man, I, I don't 916 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,720 know about you guys, but just having somebody that's faithful 917 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,160 means a lot. You know, it's, it's going to be 918 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,160 hard to hear. Well done thou good and faithful 919 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,120 servant. If you're not faithful, you 920 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,520 know, so a man, just faithful people. 921 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,440 I'll be honest with you, man, when we have some great people 922 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,840 in our church, God has really blessed us. 923 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,880 We have a young couple here and I'm not going to call their 924 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640 names, but we have a young couple here came to us several 925 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:49,320 years ago. They were backsliders and came 926 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,280 to us and we just loved them, loved them where they were, 927 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,440 helped them grow, taught them Bible studies and and and man 928 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,320 that they're now a key part of our church. 929 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,400 I mean Sunday school teachers board member, I mean all the all 930 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,920 the things just great growth. And so, but they've they bought 931 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,880 in. They were faithful. 932 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,280 They were hungry for God. And so that's man, if you got 933 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,560 somebody's hunger for God, man, you can, you can work with that. 934 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,360 I don't care where they're coming from. 935 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,600 I don't care how far away they are. 936 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,880 If they've got a hunger for God, man, you can take that and you 937 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,280 can work with that. If they're going to be faithful, 938 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,480 you can take that, work with that. 939 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,240 So that's good. From a pastor's point of view, 940 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:40,480 we we've asked a couple with Lacombe and Brother Pendant, and 941 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,920 I don't know how much people are listening to it. 942 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,200 So we'll try to drive it home a little harder, but everybody 943 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,000 feels like when they're, when they're feeling a call that 944 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,240 especially from for men, it's behind the pulpit. 945 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,280 I'm a, I'm a preacher. That's all I'm going to do. 946 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,640 And you mentioned it a little bit earlier, but there's so much 947 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,080 more to ministry than just speaking from behind the pulpit 948 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,480 or playing an instrument or singing. 949 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,840 There's, you know, just all the different things that you can 950 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,480 do. So from a pastor's perspective, 951 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,400 what, what can you just put put some more on the emphasis or the 952 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,360 value of having people who are willing to not only be ministers 953 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,200 in those regards, but also be, be servants, be the minister, 954 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,120 Sunday school teacher, be the, the nursery teacher, the one who 955 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,000 doesn't get all the attention, but is really a pretty pivotal 956 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,600 part and, and in the church community as a whole. 957 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,680 Well, the Bible tells us this, Johnny, the Bible tells us that, 958 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,600 you know, the hand can't say the food that I have no need of 959 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:37,760 thee, you know, and, and so, but he puts all these different 960 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,480 parts in the body. So the body is not deformed. 961 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,000 And so not everybody's going to get up every Sunday and preach. 962 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,600 Not everybody can pastor. Not everybody's going to be the 963 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,320 adult Bible teacher. Not everybody's going to be the, 964 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,840 you know, teach the youth class. Not everybody's going to do. 965 00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,680 Not everybody's going to sing. Trust me, they don't want me 966 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,520 singing. Matter of fact, Monica makes me 967 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,080 stand on the opposite side of the church. 968 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:13,360 So, so it's funny, so not everybody can, can do 969 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,840 everything. I, I'm not gifted, I'm not 970 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,360 talented when it comes to music or instruments, anything like 971 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,160 that. I don't, I, I, that's not my 972 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,120 thing. So I just get up and yell at 973 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,400 people all I do. And so, but my, The thing is, is 974 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,440 that there is a place in the church in the body for every 975 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:38,400 member, every member. And so, man, it's so important 976 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:44,040 that you find whatever gifting talent ability that you have and 977 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,520 put that to work in the Kingdom. There are. 978 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,160 It's amazing to me, the people that work behind the scenes are 979 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,320 just as important as the people that work up front. 980 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,760 So everybody sees we have, we have media people here that do 981 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,920 our media and stuff, man, when they're not here, I'm lost. 982 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,520 I'm like, I don't know where, how we're going to have church. 983 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,760 So, you know, if, if, if part of our worship teams here are not 984 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,560 here for whatever reason, vacation, whatever, you know, 985 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,760 man, I, I feel like we're missing an arm that day, you 986 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:22,440 know, And so if, if, if we have a live class, Sunday school 987 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,520 class teacher that's not here, then we're juggling trying to 988 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,480 figure out how we going to fill that role. 989 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,680 So nursery is, is important, man. 990 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,800 We have a, a, a, a team that takes care of the yard here, you 991 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,560 know, and so I'm thankful for every one of those guys. 992 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,360 Now here's the thing. Some of those guys are, they're 993 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,000 growing, they're learning, they're that, you know, so I 994 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:50,440 think that we need to find a way to plug everybody in to some 995 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,480 form of ministry. It may not be platform ministry, 996 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,080 but it is some kind of ministry because connection to the 997 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,480 church, connection to the Kingdom of God is so important. 998 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:08,480 And so we're, you know, I, I think that people have to have 999 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,280 to buy in, be faithful, but you also got to connect them. 1000 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,520 And so I, I don't know if that answers your question, but 1001 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,000 that's, that's, that's. Spot on SO. 1002 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,120 So we kind of talked about some of the some of your early life 1003 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,360 experiences, but have there ever been any like times in your life 1004 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,400 other than whenever you heard the audible voice of God? 1005 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,440 But like, maybe it wasn't a situation in your life. 1006 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,920 Maybe the situation is somebody else's life where you said, I 1007 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,720 know, I know that was God. I know he's real right now 1008 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,520 because I you know, I know he's in the room. 1009 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,840 Basically man, how much time you. 1010 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:46,640 Got the the the it's man so many times so many times I've seen 1011 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,680 God do so many great things. I'll tell you a couple stories 1012 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,920 today about a few things that miraculously happened. 1013 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,160 This was probably four or five years before we ever got to life 1014 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,200 gate the church we were in. We had a lady literally fell 1015 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,840 over dead in the in the church. I mean, had a heart attack, fell 1016 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,960 over dead in the church. I'm, I'm not a medical 1017 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,200 professional, but we had several nurses in the church. 1018 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,680 I mean, they were pulse, no pulse, no breath. 1019 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,440 She's dead. 911 ambulance is on the way. 1020 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,720 We went to prayer. By the time the ambulance got 1021 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,480 there, the lady was setting up alive. 1022 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:33,040 So it's amazing, you know, the things that God did. 1023 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,120 I mean, literally when I say literally fell over, like 1024 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,600 slumped over the Pew in front of her, you know, like standing up 1025 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,760 and then fell over. So I mean like, so it was very 1026 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,920 dramatic. What a what a great miracle. 1027 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,960 You know, there was no doubt God, God, you know, it's like, 1028 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,720 wow, what a power and people. Try to say that that doesn't 1029 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,240 happen anymore. That's just crazy to me. 1030 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,240 I'm an all witness. You come too late to tell me. 1031 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,040 Yeah. It's like how? 1032 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,520 Can you know, I see that all the time. 1033 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,600 Be like, well, that stuff stopped in the in the New 1034 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,360 Testament that stops. It's like somebody forgot to 1035 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,120 told God that because he still did. 1036 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,240 Exactly. Exactly. 1037 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,840 Yeah. It still happens. 1038 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,200 I mean, and it's amazing the things that happen, man, 1039 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,040 there's, there's so many things. I could tell you Kay, when he 1040 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160 was, when he was small, had a soy allergy. 1041 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,120 This was actually when I was at Lifegate, had a soy allergy. 1042 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,360 Man, that's a, that's a huge thing. 1043 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,640 I know we're dealing with a lot of kids with allergies now. 1044 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,640 We went to prayer about it, prayed and prayed and prayed. 1045 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,240 It was a, it was a big deal, you know, big deal. 1046 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:32,880 And so one morning Kay got up and he, he came to me said, I 1047 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,840 mean, he was little. I mean, I don't know, 5 maybe. 1048 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,840 And he came to me and he said, dad, the, the Lord told me he 1049 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,480 was going to heal me, you know, and I'm thinking, oh, that's 1050 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,120 five year old whatever, you know, But man, I said, what 1051 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,000 really that's great. I believe that we're going to 1052 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,000 pray that. So we started praying and, and 1053 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,680 so man, next six months or so wrote, rocked on, rolled around 1054 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,480 and he goes back to the go back to the doctor and he goes in and 1055 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,520 the doctor says, man, I, I, you're not allergic to anything 1056 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,960 anymore. So Cade calls me. 1057 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,080 Now you got to understand, Cade calls me from his mom's phone 1058 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,800 and he said, Dad, you're not going to believe where I'm at. 1059 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,000 And I said, where you at? He said, I'm at Sonic. 1060 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:15,680 I said, what are you doing at Sonic? 1061 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,120 He said, I'm eating a corn dog and having ice cream. 1062 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,320 You know, because he had not been able to do that. 1063 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,800 You know, we had to make everything because everything 1064 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,120 got soy in it. So he was a miracle. 1065 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,560 You know, it was something God did. 1066 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,360 And so, but man, the list could go on and on of miracles, things 1067 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,720 that I've seen. But there have been some very 1068 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:40,600 powerful services that I've been in conferences. 1069 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,240 But I'm going to be honest with you, man, some of the most, some 1070 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,520 of the most life changing. I don't want to throw that word 1071 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,840 around just to be saying it was life changing. 1072 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,480 But some of the most dynamic services I've ever been in have 1073 00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,720 been prayer meetings, have been communion services where we're 1074 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:04,040 taking communion. I think it's because it's a, 1075 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,760 it's a commitment. It's a, it's a dedication. 1076 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:14,080 It's a, you know, consecration. And so, you know, we've searched 1077 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,960 your soul. You're about to take communion. 1078 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,320 You're asking God, God, if there's anything in me, you 1079 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,040 know, cleanse me, make me pure, make me holy. 1080 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,160 You know, let me, let me be like you want me to be. 1081 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,400 And and so during those moments is when God draws near 20 when 1082 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,320 he shows up, You know, we had we've had some of those services 1083 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,760 here, you know, that where the power of God would just be so 1084 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,560 powerful. I love the shout, I love the 1085 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,840 room. I love all that women. 1086 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,120 I'm for it 100%. And I've been in some great 1087 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,480 services, you know, camp meeting conferences, numerous 1088 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,760 conferences. And so I'm thankful for all 1089 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,600 that. But some of the deepest moves of 1090 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,240 the Holy Ghost have just been kind of a where the Spirit of 1091 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,200 God lingers. I mean, you can almost see the 1092 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,160 glory of God fill the house. And so man, it's so powerful 1093 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,560 when that happens. And it's in those moments where 1094 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:09,720 you can, the Lord can change you it because you've been in a 1095 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,600 wrestling match and the Lord, when you wrestle the Lord 1096 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,720 changes things, right? You're going to leave here 1097 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,080 walking different Jacob. You're going to walk out of here 1098 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080 and you're, you know, you're going to no longer be Jacob, 1099 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,320 you're going to be Israel. And so there's going to be a 1100 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,960 great powerful thing that happens. 1101 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,440 And I think we need more of those services. 1102 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,000 I'm all about to shout. I want us to shout. 1103 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,840 I encourage our people and let's get, you know, run the aisles, 1104 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,360 you know, let's let's, you know, let's do what we let's do what 1105 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,400 apostolics do. But but there also is a time 1106 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,200 when we need to linger in the presence of God and let God 1107 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,320 really do something in us. But like so. 1108 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,160 Like, but how would how would but when, how do you think we 1109 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320 would we can develop more of that because that's a mindset to 1110 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,320 an extent to come in there. Like, how would you? 1111 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,800 Yeah, I think you're saying it's. 1112 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,880 Like an intentionality. Intentionality. 1113 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,080 You really want to get. Into the deeper things an 1114 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,280 expectation. Kind of thing. 1115 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,440 Yeah. Spiritual. 1116 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,400 Disciplines, right? So if the only time you pray is 1117 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,480 on Sunday, you're probably not going to get to a deep spot with 1118 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,360 the Lord. You're probably going to be very 1119 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:11,240 shallow, you know, and, and so if you, but if you learn to have 1120 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:17,200 a relationship with him and you pray and you fast, I'm hungry 1121 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,240 right now. But if you fast, you know, if 1122 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:27,480 you fast and if you study the word of God and you're faithful 1123 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,480 to the House of God, I think through those spiritual 1124 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:37,200 disciplines, you can the Lord honors those. 1125 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,520 So because you've been faithful over a few things, the Lord 1126 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,240 said, I'm going to show up in this service and I'm going to 1127 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,640 I'm going to show out today. Watch me do what I only I can do 1128 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,240 right. So God comes in and he says, 1129 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,520 man, I'm fixing it. I'm fixing just pour a blessing 1130 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,080 into this house. My spirit is about to just step 1131 00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,480 in. And so, but it only again, if, 1132 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:06,120 if you don't pray and you don't seek the face of God, then those 1133 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,000 moments are rare. They don't happen very often. 1134 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:18,760 Our elders, they had deep moves of God very often, but it's 1135 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,840 because they were not so enticed with the entertainment of this 1136 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,840 world. And so I think so many times we 1137 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,920 get caught up with scrolling instead of praying. 1138 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:38,400 We get caught up in in, you know, filling our mind with with 1139 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,880 whatever, you know, some kind of entertainment instead of instead 1140 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,920 of making time to really seek God. 1141 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:53,840 But if we could ever get back to seek in the face of God, man, he 1142 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,880 would, he would he look, he longs to be in our to be with 1143 01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,440 us. I mean, you know that he he 1144 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,080 wants to show up. He wants to do great things, but 1145 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,160 he wants you to want him to do that, you know? 1146 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:06,720 So when? We were talking to Brother 1147 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,400 Lacombe. He kind of echoed a little bit 1148 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,600 of that world because we were talking about how the revival 1149 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,120 services that his parents came at where you just came in, 1150 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,560 walked through the door and got the Holy Ghost immediately. 1151 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,920 And I was going to ask him, like, you know, why do you think 1152 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,960 that we don't see that as much anymore? 1153 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,440 Because you hear a lot of those stories. 1154 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,920 And he kind of echoed some of the same sentiments that like 1155 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,960 people now have so much going through their heads that 1156 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,280 nobody's really like in the moment with God, like it used to 1157 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,400 be, right? So getting back to that, I I. 1158 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:40,320 Often pray, Lord, help me to silence all the voices in this 1159 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,200 world so that I can hear you because God's not going to shout 1160 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:49,080 over everything right it very often it's that still small 1161 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:54,240 voice that speaks and so if you're constantly and we and 1162 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,160 we're we're guilty of this. I mean, and I'm thankful for 1163 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,080 podcast. I'm honored to be on today, but 1164 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,720 very often we're always got something in our ear. 1165 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,040 It's an earbud. We're listening to podcasts, 1166 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,560 we're listening to auto book audio books, we're listening to 1167 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,800 whatever music and all this kind of different stuff. 1168 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,920 So God can't speak or you can't hear the voice of God if you 1169 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,840 always got something. So there has to be a time where 1170 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,040 it's just you and God, where you can say, OK, God, I want you to 1171 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,600 talk to me now and, and like you're. 1172 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,320 Saying individually any one of those things may not be wrong in 1173 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,240 and of itself. But the. 1174 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,800 Overload, at which we consume so much, means we don't have 1175 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,760 anything. We're not hungry when it comes 1176 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,280 to God. That's right, because I'm. 1177 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,560 Thankful for Apostolic media. Yeah, Apostolic, you know, 1178 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,640 content, you know, I'm thankful for that because we need that in 1179 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,080 the world. I'm thankful for what you guys 1180 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,480 are doing. We need that. 1181 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,400 We need this voice. It's an Ave. it's an outreach. 1182 01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,640 It's an Ave. It builds faith and you know, it 1183 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,640 helps spread the truth. I'm thankful for all that. 1184 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,640 We need all that. But all things in moderation, 1185 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,560 right? So if, if we're always 1186 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,680 listening, if we're always watching, we're always 1187 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,680 entertain, then we're then we have no time for God. 1188 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,680 When you have no time for God, he does. 1189 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,240 I mean, you, you cut out the most important thing, right? 1190 01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,120 And, and so thankful. We need, we need good godly 1191 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,840 Apostolic content. But I also think if you spend, 1192 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,960 you know, 12 hours a day listening to Apostolic content, 1193 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,960 you're missing the voice of God, you know, So that's why so many. 1194 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,040 Like nowadays you hear a lot more often where people are 1195 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,520 focusing on when you pray and God protect my head, protect 1196 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,600 what I see and, and really put a helmet on me because it's just, 1197 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,760 there's such an attack coming on us just for our, for our minds 1198 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,880 and what we take in. It's it's crazy how how amped up 1199 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,680 it's gotten here recently too. Yeah. 1200 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,400 And I mean. Just and not to be not to be old 1201 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,680 man in the room, but you know what I mean? 1202 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,640 Like just the the changes I've seen since I was a kid with 1203 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,720 having dial up Internet, you know what I mean? 1204 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,520 Where you had it was a it was an act of Congress to get that 1205 01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,960 thing booted. You know what I mean? 1206 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,080 To now, you know what I mean? The convenience is really there. 1207 01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,400 I mean, we are, you know, second from anything, you know what I 1208 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,680 mean? Constantly. 1209 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,880 It's amazing. What we can find on this on our 1210 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,280 phones, I mean, it is in an instant. 1211 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,840 I mean, so that's amazing, Yeah. And it's no wonder. 1212 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,360 Anxieties through the roof. I mean, you were like for 1213 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,600 myself, like you go through a time where you're so used to 1214 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,240 just if, if you're not physically doing something, 1215 01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,520 you're scrolling, like you said, going through TikTok, going 1216 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,440 through these reels, you're constantly doing something that 1217 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,600 now it's to the point where it's like, well, if I do put 1218 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,920 everything down and I stop, I just like you feel like you got 1219 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,120 this ADDADHD because your brain is just so wired and so just 1220 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,600 ready to go. And that's just not the way 1221 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,400 you're supposed to be doing it. And then of course we want to 1222 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,920 medicate it and all that, But it's like, that's where, you 1223 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,160 know, they talk about fasting is not always just food. 1224 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,680 It's just fast your social media fast faster, Facebook fast, 1225 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,040 whatever it is that might be. If it takes more time than God, 1226 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,600 it's. It's an idol. 1227 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,160 You know, and if it's something that if you, if someone brings 1228 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,240 up, it's like, it's what I, I say all the time. 1229 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,240 If there's anything that, you know, if God says, Hey, I want 1230 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:04,680 you to stop doing that cold Turkey. 1231 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,000 And I put up a fight and I'm like, no, I don't want to do 1232 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,040 that. Well, then that thing has become 1233 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,480 more important than God. And that's where it's like I've 1234 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,400 been trying to work on myself. Like I don't want to have 1235 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,040 anything. That's like if he said I need 1236 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,160 you to stop just. You're done with. 1237 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,960 That and I put up a fight then that's that's something that I 1238 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,360 definitely there's a reason why he's telling me to get rid of 1239 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,920 it, you know, because it's just that's what leads to all those 1240 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,040 things because not. Everything's a sin. 1241 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,000 Some things are just to wait. And so sometimes the Lord's 1242 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,160 like, hey, you need to lay that down so that I can you can run 1243 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,400 this race, you know? And so that's very sometimes, 1244 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,440 and that's hard. It goes back to submission, 1245 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,040 right? Of my submitting my will to his 1246 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:48,160 will, you know, And so it's where we start to disagree. 1247 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,240 If God, I'm not, I don't want to do that, you know, Yeah, you 1248 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,720 don't want to do that. But are you going to be 1249 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,120 submitted to what you because I'm trying to get you somewhere, 1250 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,200 Abraham. Didn't want to kill his son, you 1251 01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:02,760 know so. I'll. 1252 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,320 I'll let you get a little personal here. 1253 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,520 You don't have to if you don't want to, but you know you, 1254 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,320 you're coming to this church, your passion, this church. 1255 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,280 And I've seen through Facebook, because I'm friends with friends 1256 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,880 with Monica and I'm friends with Cade, and I think it's super 1257 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,560 cool to see. For for Kade. 1258 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,640 And for the your kids, how involved they are. 1259 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,200 I can see it through the Facebook stuff, but I see Kade's 1260 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,560 preaching at some of it. And then I see that I was 1261 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,280 telling Camo he's up there playing the guitar. 1262 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,200 He's better than I am ever was. You know, Dylan's playing the 1263 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,640 drums, like you said, like take, I'll say get, I want a response 1264 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,440 for the pastor's helmet on, but put let's put our dad hat on. 1265 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,840 And, and how does that feel to, to see your kids so invested and 1266 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,240 so involved and knowing that they're, they're, they're in 1267 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:53,440 truth, just like you are? Man, that is it. 1268 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,360 It's such a such a great honor to see that my children are 1269 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,640 walking in truth, you know, there's no greater joy. 1270 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,800 The Bible says and know that your children walking through. 1271 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:10,200 So they're very involved in a lot of a lot of that things we 1272 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:15,840 do here and most of it's by choice. 1273 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,840 I say that because Dylan helps with Kingdom kids on on 1274 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,040 Wednesday nights and it's not really what he wants to do, but 1275 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,880 it but you know, I've kind of hey, buddy ministry is about not 1276 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,080 just about what we want to do. Sometimes it's about what needs 1277 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,040 to be done. And so, but he's a good sport 1278 01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:41,320 about it most of the time. So, but man, just to see, to see 1279 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,200 them be so involved in in everything. 1280 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:52,280 And you know, when we came here, I was about 15 people and it was 1281 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,840 hard. It was hard for our hard for our 1282 01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,000 kids, but to to see where the church is at now, where we're 1283 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,280 going. I mean, we're not where we want 1284 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,560 to be, but the Lord's done great things and we continue to see 1285 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,400 the church grow and move forward. 1286 01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,840 And the room we're in right now used to be 1 giant room. 1287 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,200 We had to add another classroom. So we divided it, put another 1288 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,200 door in because we were out of out of Sunday school rooms. 1289 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:24,600 So I said that just to the just for the fact that God is doing 1290 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:30,120 great things, but I want to it's a lot of it's because my family, 1291 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,080 my children especially bought in and said, Hey, we want to help 1292 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:37,000 see the church grow. And so I'm thankful for that. 1293 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,840 You know, I'm thankful and I pray, brother. 1294 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,840 I believe it was for the Wayne Huntley said this one time he 1295 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,920 said, I pray over our children, not just his children, but the 1296 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,520 children is church. God give them gifts, talents, 1297 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,080 abilities and expertise that honor heaven and horrify hell. 1298 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,880 And so I pray that over my children, God, I want, God I 1299 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,319 want, I pray that you'd give them gifts, talents, abilities 1300 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,840 and expertise that honor heaven and horrify hell because I want 1301 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,840 them to use those giftings and talents for the Kingdom of God. 1302 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,240 I Dylan's a good drummer. Kate's a good plays guitar. 1303 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,520 He's good at it. JC can sing and they got all 1304 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,960 that from the mom and from the Lord, so OK, he's preaching. 1305 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,600 I saw that and he'll be speaking so. 1306 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,439 Like his dad, yeah, unfortunately I think he's long 1307 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,960 winded like his dad. So, but, but I'm proud of them. 1308 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,080 They they're doing a great job. And so they're they're they're a 1309 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,040 huge part of what's happening here at Green Hill. 1310 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,800 So I'm thankful for that. And so man, just as just as 1311 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,279 pastor, I don't want to do it without him as dad. 1312 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,439 I'm super excited that they're they're wanting to give their 1313 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:51,240 talents to the Kingdom of God. And I I so seven years of life, 1314 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,160 Kate, had to have been a lot of funny, interesting things that 1315 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,680 happened outside of the baptismal tank. 1316 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,960 Any of that come to mind off top of your head? 1317 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,880 Oh my. See, things I think about was 1318 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,280 like when we went to, like when Colby and I went to because of 1319 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,040 times you introduced us to the people's Elbow, OK. 1320 01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,720 I forgot about that. That's good. 1321 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,440 That's so good, man. We had a lot of great times, 1322 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:21,600 man, a lot of good stuff. I I remember, you know, I 1323 01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:25,240 remember with with the young people, all the youth group, you 1324 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,800 guys would wait till it gets dark outside. 1325 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,440 We play move over. May I remember that, you know, 1326 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,560 instead of playing hide and go seek, you play move over. 1327 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:39,360 And I remember one time I went and hid and the behind Rd. old 1328 01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,880 railroad bed, the building, we had an old church sign that 1329 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,880 leaned up and I climbed behind that church sign. 1330 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,920 I'm a big guy, so get behind there was difficult, but but I 1331 01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,840 got behind that church sign and I could hear you guys coming 1332 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,760 around and I was sitting back there. 1333 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,640 I'm just, I'm I'm trying not to laugh out loud, you know, 1334 01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,320 cables. Where did the Shane go? 1335 01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,560 Where's he at? We can't find him anywhere. 1336 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,920 And I'm just like, man, I'm, you know, because it's dark back 1337 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,600 there. So, so it was great. 1338 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,120 So we have a lot of great memories. 1339 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,880 You know, I'm in camouflage egg hunts at night, you know, and so 1340 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,360 with running over the eggs in. The morning 0. 1341 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,560 Yeah. So, you know, lot lot of great 1342 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,760 lot of great memories. We had a great time. 1343 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,720 I do remember we were going to youth Congress one time and 1344 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,680 Jason Brister rear into the church. 1345 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,520 I remember that. I remember that was to what? 1346 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,400 Was that that wasn't the Oklahoma, That was the was that 1347 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,320 the Louisville or Oklahoma? Louisville, I think. 1348 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,920 It was Louisville, I think. It was my first one because I 1349 01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:39,400 remember just like we're in the van and we're all like falling 1350 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,280 asleep and next thing I know it's just like bang. 1351 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,040 I was like, whoa. I think he got out and said, 1352 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,480 yeah, it was, it was either hit you or have somebody hit him in 1353 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,600 the back. He's like, I'd rather barely did 1354 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,080 anything to the van, but that was funny. 1355 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,280 So there's a lot of things, man, a lot of great memories, you 1356 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,920 know, man, I know, you know, brother Mullins has since went 1357 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,560 on to his reward, but I remember a lot of times his cabin, you 1358 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,160 know, just just hanging out the guys up there and doing a lot of 1359 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,560 stuff. And, and so we man, we had great 1360 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,040 memories. And then the then the spiritual 1361 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:16,040 side of that is man, so many great memories of people get in 1362 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,360 the Holy Ghost to church growing, you know, God just 1363 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:25,000 working different miracles. And so thankful for that. 1364 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,280 You know, I'm thankful for the experience of getting me a life 1365 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,680 gate for 7 1/2 years. So yeah, there was. 1366 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,520 I might cut this out, I don't know, but there was one service 1367 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:35,680 we had. I'll never forget it. 1368 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,680 And the reason why I bring this up now is because you were a 1369 01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,800 heavy part of it. Not that you I don't think you 1370 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,120 were preaching. It was, it was, it was brother 1371 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,880 Penny was preaching, but man, it was a, it was a service that was 1372 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,560 so. I mean, the presence of God was 1373 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,280 so thick and I was a teenager and, and new to it, but man, I, 1374 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,240 it was the first time that ever. It was just in the middle of 1375 01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,840 preaching. You just, nobody could, nobody 1376 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,280 could focus or anything. And, and you got up and you 1377 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,040 started speaking in tongues and it was like, there's something 1378 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,680 different about this. And then brother Penny went on 1379 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,680 to give the interpretation. I don't know if you remember the 1380 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,680 service or not, but that was like I, that was one of those 1381 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:10,840 service. I tell my dad all the time. 1382 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,240 I said that was the service. That was a service where I was 1383 01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:17,960 like, Holy Ghost aside, all that stuff aside, that was like, this 1384 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,960 is what it must have been like in acts. 1385 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,160 And I'm just like that. That was that was a service. 1386 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,920 I'll never forget that. I forget what he was speaking 1387 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,960 on, but I just remembered the end of it and I was like wow. 1388 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,000 Man, those are some amazing times when God speaks to his 1389 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,440 people through the through the gifts. 1390 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:47,880 And so I think that's the reason why we are to, you know, desire, 1391 01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,000 earnestly desire those gifts because I think God can speak a 1392 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,920 word to us directly through those things and so are through 1393 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,000 those gifts. So we need, we need those 1394 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,160 operating in the church. And so I don't remember exactly 1395 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,160 the service you're talking about, but I have been in 1396 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,240 several services where the Lord would show up like that and, and 1397 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,800 speak and, and if people just respond when he's, when he 1398 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,560 speaks, it's amazing what happens, you know, so. 1399 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,400 I guess, you know, being yourself, being how, how do you, 1400 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,720 how do you kind of yield to the presence of the Lord whenever 1401 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,520 you feel like? Because some people really 1402 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,640 struggle to kind of like get past that. 1403 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,760 Is this just me thinking that or is God really moving on me to do 1404 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,680 something that might be out of character? 1405 01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,040 You know what I mean? Yeah. 1406 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,480 And so, man, I'll be honest with you, it's like, it's like 1407 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,040 learning to walk. I mean, it's you grow into it. 1408 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,080 The first time I was ever used in the gifts of tongues or 1409 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:49,320 interpretation of tongues, man, I was nervous as a cat on a hot 1410 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,320 tin roof, you know, so I was, I mean, I, you know, because 1411 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:54,840 you're always struggling with that. 1412 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:58,520 OK, is this me or is it God, you know, and so you're, you're 1413 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,880 dealing with, with all that, all that because you don't want to 1414 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,600 get in the flesh. You don't want to say they'll 1415 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,560 saith the Lord and it really be dominoes. 1416 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,640 You know what I'm saying? You know, so, so you have to you 1417 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,360 know, and, and being sensitive that goes back to your prayer 1418 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:18,760 life, learning to hear the voice of God, which is so important 1419 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,480 because like I made mention earlier, there's only one time 1420 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:27,800 God's ever spoke to me audible, but he spoke to me many times. 1421 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,560 It's just learning to hear the voice of God and learning what 1422 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:35,640 God sounds like to you. And so, but when those gifts of 1423 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:41,560 the Spirit, when they start operating, man, my experience 1424 01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:46,400 is, is it sometimes God will give me the first word of an 1425 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,680 interpretation and I, I may not know anything that's going to be 1426 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,520 said after that. But if I, if I just yield myself 1427 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,640 and open my mouth to that first word, man, the Holy Ghost just 1428 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,720 starts, you know, it's the same way. 1429 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,600 And so when the gifts of tongues, the gift of tongues, 1430 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,760 when I'm, the times I've been used in the gift of tongues, it, 1431 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:12,440 it's usually an overwhelming presence of God. 1432 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,400 And it's man. I just, I feel it like I feel 1433 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,080 man, this is, this is coming. I can feel it like it's 1434 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,160 building, like maybe it's during the message, you know, I know 1435 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,200 that man God's God's God's about to give us a word, you know, and 1436 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,320 so I can feel it. And then it's just simply 1437 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,240 responding, you know, surrendering. 1438 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,640 It's an OK God, go ahead. And then when that comes, when 1439 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,000 that comes up on you, man, open your mouth and let that out. 1440 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,240 Nine times out of 10, there's usually a holy hush that falls 1441 01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,280 over the congregation, you know. And so when that hush falls over 1442 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,600 the congregation, the Lord begins to speak. 1443 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:58,200 And then obviously you're, you're speaking in other 1444 01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,640 tongues. So you don't, you don't know 1445 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,440 what you're saying. But then there have been times 1446 01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:07,360 when you got to wait for the interpretation, you know, And so 1447 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,960 sometimes, sometimes the interpretation comes almost 1448 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,520 immediately. And sometimes they're just like, 1449 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,680 OK, we're having to, we're waiting here. 1450 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,320 We're waiting here to see what God, I was in the service couple 1451 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:25,960 weeks ago, Tongues, tongues went forth and, and man, it's just 1452 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:31,560 like 5 minutes of just, we're just waiting, we're just 1453 01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,280 waiting. But I knew God was about to 1454 01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,680 speak. You could just feel it in the 1455 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,360 air. And so my encouragement to 1456 01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:44,640 people are #1 is to, to ask God or I would I want to be used in 1457 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,600 those gifts, You know. And so we need, we need people 1458 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,440 in the body of Christ because we need the gifts, the gifts 1459 01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:57,040 operating. And so ask the Lord desire, 1460 01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,040 earnestly desire those gifts and, and ask God for those. 1461 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,880 And then when the opportunity comes and you feel the Lord 1462 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:10,760 leading you, the devil is not going to tell you to get up and, 1463 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,040 and, and give tongues and interpretation. 1464 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,640 You know what I'm saying? Now you're flesh if you're not 1465 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,360 careful, if you're flesh, especially if you're somebody 1466 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,120 that wants the spotlight, you know, you have to be real 1467 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:29,000 careful with that. But but man, it's such a, it's 1468 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,840 such a humbling thing to think that God is going to somehow use 1469 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,080 my mouth, my voice to speak directly to us. 1470 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,520 And so man, just honestly desire those gifts. 1471 01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,720 Learn to yield to it. It's like I said, it's like 1472 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,560 walking. You're going, you may stumble 1473 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,200 and fall, but man, get back up and try again the next time at 1474 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,400 the Lord's leading, you know, so so. 1475 01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,920 Obviously, with all that being said, you would, you would. 1476 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,640 I don't want to say scoff, but you would. 1477 01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,640 You know, when when people try to say that the the gifts don't 1478 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,960 happen anymore, tongues don't happen anymore? 1479 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,280 That's just not a thing. Obviously from all the 1480 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,600 experiences you've had, you can confidently say they do. 1481 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,800 Yeah. We can sit down and argue 1482 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,840 theology, but you can't argue. Again, you can't argue with my 1483 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,720 experience. I've seen it happen too many 1484 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,000 times. I've been in too many of those 1485 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,600 services. I've heard the voice of God 1486 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,320 speak through people multiple times. 1487 01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:30,560 We when we were when we were getting ready to leave Life 1488 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,960 Gate, we were starting to evangelize, going to start to 1489 01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:40,040 evangelize. There was a there was a man 1490 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,160 preaching as used in the gifts. I never met him before. 1491 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,520 He didn't know me from Adam's house cat. 1492 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,320 You know, he had no clue who we were. 1493 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,840 We went to service that night. He preached, did a wonderful 1494 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,120 job. And afterwards during the altar 1495 01:19:54,120 --> 01:20:01,520 service, he came to me, begin to talk to me and said, I feel like 1496 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,440 the Lord's got a, got a word for you tonight and begin to speak. 1497 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,560 And so he was. He was operating in the gifts of 1498 01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:15,080 knowledge, wisdom, prophecy, I believe. 1499 01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,480 And, and so he began to say things to to myself and to 1500 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:25,120 Monica that he didn't know, had no way of knowing, never met 1501 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,240 him. He didn't know anything about 1502 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:32,640 us. But it was a confirmation that 1503 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:38,520 that it was time for us to start evangelizing. 1504 01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,520 And so again, he didn't know that he had no clue. 1505 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:48,160 He didn't know who he were. And then that same service, one 1506 01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,600 thing that impressed me about this particular man was that 1507 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,960 Jaycee was, I don't know, she was 12 maybe at the time or 1508 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,880 something like that. He asked me, says that your 1509 01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,480 daughter, she was sitting behind, behind me. 1510 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:06,160 And I said, yes. He said, I feel like the Lord's 1511 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,600 got a word for her. He said, but you're her 1512 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,760 spiritual covering at would you come with me? 1513 01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:15,600 And so the gifts of the Spirit are never going to get out of 1514 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,840 alignment with your spiritual authority and spiritual 1515 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,720 covering. So just throw that in for good 1516 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,560 measure. But this, this man begin to 1517 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:27,200 minister to JC and begin to tell her some things that he had no 1518 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,160 way of knowing man. And I told her when we got in 1519 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,720 the car that I said you need to open your Bible right now and 1520 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,960 you take a pen out, you need to write in the front cover what he 1521 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,560 told you because it is a word for you for the next few years. 1522 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,880 And it was man, it just, I mean, it was so powerful. 1523 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,520 So you come too late to tell me the gifts of the Spirit don't 1524 01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,720 operate. I mean, you just, I mean, man, 1525 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,360 people that argue with that can take a scripture, you know, and, 1526 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,760 and I don't have time to get into that, but you know, like 1527 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,000 they can take a scripture and and say, you know, that when 1528 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,640 that which is perfect is come, you know, it's going to be done 1529 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,760 away. Here's the thing, man, you've 1530 01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,920 just come too late to tell me that all these gifts are not 1531 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,800 still operating. I've seen it happen. 1532 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,440 I've been in those services, I've been used in those gifts. 1533 01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:18,040 And so I know what happens that's like miracles and I know 1534 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,400 that happened. Then I could I got a list of 1535 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:21,520 miracles. I could tell you. 1536 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,800 I mean, it's just it's, it's amazing so. 1537 01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:26,640 Not to put you on the spot here and. 1538 01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,280 But. There's a lot of people who who 1539 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,400 talk about, take the First Corinthians, you know, argument 1540 01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,280 basically when it talks about the gifts of the Spirit, and 1541 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,360 they kind of try to contextualize the Acts 238 1542 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,800 experience into the gifts experience. 1543 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,080 You know what I mean? What would you say from your 1544 01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,680 experience is the difference between when the gifts of tongue 1545 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,280 is operating versus that initial sign of the Holy Ghost that 1546 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,000 people experience? You know what I mean? 1547 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:51,880 Yeah. So the gifts. 1548 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,680 Of tongues if they're operating there's going to be an 1549 01:22:53,680 --> 01:23:01,960 interpretation and so the the initial evidence of receiving 1550 01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,440 the baptism of the Holy Ghost with with tongues. 1551 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:08,040 We find that Acts chapter 2 verse one through 4. 1552 01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,480 You know the Holy Ghost fell on them and they're appearing them 1553 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:16,720 cloven tongues like as a fire. And so when we begin to when you 1554 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:21,200 begin to study that out begin to think about that the the gift of 1555 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,120 the Holy Ghost is clearly for everybody. 1556 01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,280 Not everybody will be used in the gift of tongues and 1557 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,080 interpretation. I do think that the gift of 1558 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,640 tongues and interpretation is used for special occasions when 1559 01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,560 the Lord has a direct word for us. 1560 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:40,800 But again, we see people, I would love to say on a weekly 1561 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,840 basis, but not on a weekly basis, but very often hear 1562 01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:50,840 filled with the Holy Ghost and the evidence of that is speaking 1563 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,320 other tongues. I always tell everybody, tongues 1564 01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,640 is not the Holy Ghost. Tongues is the evidence of the 1565 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,280 Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is simply the 1566 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,760 Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ living inside of you. 1567 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,280 And so how do we know it's living inside of you? 1568 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,680 Well, there's going to be some, some evidence that's going to 1569 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,760 come forth. That's the gift. 1570 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,560 That's the gift of tongues or tongues as the initial evidence 1571 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,320 of speaking in, in ER, as initial evidence of receiving 1572 01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,960 the Holy Ghost. But then the gift of tongues 1573 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,800 that they they operate in a different manner. 1574 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,280 Most the time. Most of the time the gift of 1575 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:30,760 tongues happens through my experience is they happen 1576 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,480 through more seasoned Saints of God. 1577 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:36,400 And so because they've learned to yield to that and and to 1578 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,080 follow. But there if it is the gift of 1579 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,360 tongues, there will be an interpretation of tongues. 1580 01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,320 And so those things operate in tandem. 1581 01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:49,920 They work together where if we may walk into service tomorrow 1582 01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:55,520 and we may have many people speaking in tongues and we 1583 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,720 should Paul even said I speak in tongues more than you all, you 1584 01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,720 know, and he and so he's not telling us, don't speak in 1585 01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,320 tongues. He tell us, Hey, we need to do 1586 01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,520 that, you know, but then he goes on tells us, you know, but not 1587 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,520 only do I speak in tongues, but you also need to be able to pray 1588 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,920 in English and you know, and have a conversation with the 1589 01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,600 Lord, you know, so there's AI mean that's a whole study we 1590 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,920 could get into. You would take longer than you 1591 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,720 guys, but there's, I mean definitely, definitely there's a 1592 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,840 difference in the initial evidence of receiving the Holy 1593 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,640 Ghost and then in the the operation of the spiritual 1594 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,520 gifts. While on that subject, just 1595 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,320 because we're on that subject and I, I hope nobody listens to 1596 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,080 this and thinks all he's talking about me. 1597 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,480 But you know, there are some people who, and this was me 1598 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,560 before I got the Holy Ghost. But you, you know, you're, it's, 1599 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,080 you feel like it's hard. Not everybody gets the Holy 1600 01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,440 Ghost the first time they go to the altar and lift their hands. 1601 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,280 And sometimes it, it takes a while and there's things that 1602 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,360 you got to go through mentally or whatever the case may be. 1603 01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,960 So you know, what would be, I guess it would be give us some 1604 01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,000 encouragement on someone who's maybe struggling with the idea 1605 01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,520 of I'm trying to get the Holy Ghost. 1606 01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,440 I just haven't gotten it. What's you know, some people get 1607 01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:13,720 discouraged by that. What would be some encouragement 1608 01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,240 on that front from your experience for people who might 1609 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:18,440 be dealing with something like that? 1610 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,920 Seek. God don't seek tongues. 1611 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,120 That's good. So because I think sometimes 1612 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,200 we're so caught up in I've got to speak in tongues, I've got to 1613 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,720 speak in tongues. That's how I know I get the Holy 1614 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,320 Ghost. And that is true. 1615 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,520 But here's the thing, you seek the presence of God. 1616 01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,600 When you seek the presence of God, you're seeking the Holy 1617 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:39,480 Ghost. That is what it is. 1618 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:41,120 It's the Holy Spirit, it's the presence of God. 1619 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:45,480 So when you seek him, seek his face, just God, whatever I got 1620 01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:48,360 to do to be close to you. And then I'll be honest with 1621 01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,600 you. Sometimes there is a tearing up, 1622 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:57,000 you know, a lingering. It takes some people, man, they 1623 01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,160 get the Holy Ghost just like that. 1624 01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:04,120 Some people it's some people it, it just takes a while. 1625 01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:07,240 I mean, they have a maybe they're, maybe they're shy or 1626 01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,800 backwards or intimidated or, and let's be honest, we don't make 1627 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,560 it easy sometimes, you know, an Apostolic alter service. 1628 01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,040 And when we evangelize, we taught altar workers seminars. 1629 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,600 And so when, when you know, and I try to tell them one of the 1630 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,640 most chaotic places in the world is an Apostolic altar service, 1631 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:28,400 right? Because what happens is somebody 1632 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,840 gets up there and they start praying and 15 people get around 1633 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,720 them and 15 people are hollering, you know, 15 1634 01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:39,000 different things. Let go hold on, you know, you 1635 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,640 know, shout Hallelujah, you know, And So what I what we did 1636 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,000 when we when we evangelize and we tried to we we taught these 1637 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,880 altar works and we try to teach people. 1638 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,560 Hey, you don't take all that man, it don't take all that. 1639 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,000 And so one person needs to be helping give instructions. 1640 01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,800 Now let me just clear the air right here. 1641 01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,880 You can't teach anybody speak in tongues. 1642 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,960 That's foolishness, right. The Bible clearly tells us that 1643 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,920 the spirit gave the utterance the Spirit gave the ability. 1644 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,560 I'm not teaching anybody, but I can't help them to know how to 1645 01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,320 entertain the presence of God and move into that. 1646 01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:18,800 I'll be honest with you, one of the greatest tools we had when 1647 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,960 when we were on the on the evangelistic field and even in 1648 01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,360 our church today is my wife. She is uniquely gifted to pray 1649 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,920 people through the Holy Ghost. Some people are just that way. 1650 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,200 They know what to say, how to say it. 1651 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,960 We were, I'll give you this illustration and I'll go back, 1652 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:39,200 but a couple weeks ago we were preaching in Lanette, Alabama 1653 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:44,000 for Brother Gary Mcneely and they have some Hispanic people 1654 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,920 in their congregation. Well, I've never felt more 1655 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,160 unequipped. I mean, I wish I could speak 1656 01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,520 Spanish, but so we're we're trying to pray the pray with 1657 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,200 these people, but we're having to pray through an interpreter, 1658 01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,800 right. So we're having to trying to 1659 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,240 help them through an interpreter. 1660 01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:05,880 So, but man, my wife is so you so gifted, so talented in that 1661 01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,080 she's working through an interpreter. 1662 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,720 A lady in after service in the pastor's office, My wife gets in 1663 01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,720 there, sits down beside her and she's working through an 1664 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,680 interpreter. Man, 10 minutes. 1665 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,920 This lady's received the gift of the Holy Ghost, man, You know, 1666 01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,120 it's just amazing some people are gifted to do that. 1667 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:30,320 And so I'm thankful for that. But the key I think The thing 1668 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,920 is, is that we seek him. We don't see tongues. 1669 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,160 And so repentance, you're not going to get the Holy Ghost if 1670 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,840 you don't repent, right? And you're not going to get the 1671 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,120 Holy Ghost if you don't open your mouth and speak. 1672 01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,600 You can't speak in tongues if you don't open your mouth, 1673 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:45,960 right? So if you're sitting there with 1674 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,280 y'all, you know, with your mouth closed, you got to say something 1675 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,560 in order for the Lord to take control and to speak through 1676 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,160 this most unruly member you know. 1677 01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:57,440 And so and so the only way you're going to do that is if 1678 01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,280 you open your mouth. So a lot of times if I was 1679 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:00,960 praying with Cameron to get the Holy Ghost, I would say, 1680 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,360 Cameron, open your mouth and say, I love you, Jesus. 1681 01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,280 Don't whisper. You ain't got to yell it, but 1682 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,040 don't whisper just but you need to be audible. 1683 01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,560 And so if you're not audible, then we don't then we then then 1684 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,720 God's not going to be able to speak through you, right? 1685 01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:20,480 So open your mouth, say Hallelujah, say Jesus, I love 1686 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:22,480 you. And so when you do that, after 1687 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:26,080 we've repented, then we begin to praise God and we begin to 1688 01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,520 praise God. We know that God inhabits, 1689 01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,440 dwells, lives in the presence of his people. 1690 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:35,440 So when we begin to praise him, but some people are quiet, 1691 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:38,760 they're intimidated. And so they have a problem 1692 01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,360 opening their mouth and saying something. 1693 01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:42,840 Well, it's very hard to receive the Holy Ghost. 1694 01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,720 People open your mouth. And so that's one of the 1695 01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:52,760 hindrances. Another hindrance would be if if 1696 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,520 they're paying attention to everybody around them instead of 1697 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,360 focusing on God. And so they're, they're trying 1698 01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,600 to listen to 15 people. And, and, and that's the reason 1699 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,000 why I tell people if, if we're praying in the office with 1700 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,680 somebody, a lot of times I'll tell them, Hey, hold on a 1701 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,160 minute, you guys begin to worship, right? 1702 01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,480 Everybody worship and let, let me give some instructions or let 1703 01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:19,640 my wife give some instructions. And then what we'll do as we 1704 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,400 move into that realm of worship, God's presence is going to 1705 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,920 manifest itself. And here's the thing, I think 1706 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:30,320 sometimes we think is apostolics, if if we slow down 1707 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,320 and give instructions, we're going to lose the Spirit. 1708 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,280 Well, God wants them to have the Holy Ghost more than you want 1709 01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,800 them to have the Holy Ghost. So you're not going to lose the 1710 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,200 Spirit. The Spirit's still going to be 1711 01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:41,280 there. The Spirit of God's still going 1712 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:43,040 to be there. So sometimes if they're going 1713 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,480 1,000,000 miles in the wrong direction, you need to stop them 1714 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:47,840 and turn them around. Yeah. 1715 01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:55,840 So because I've heard people that get in a such a repetitive 1716 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,840 motion of repenting, God, I'm sorry, God, I'm sorry, God, I'm 1717 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,160 sorry, God, I'm sorry, God, I'm sorry. 1718 01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,200 And, and, and we need to repent, right? 1719 01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,160 That's part of it. But there comes a point where 1720 01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,480 you need to stop repenting and start worshipping. 1721 01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:10,920 So if you'll start worshipping man, the Spirit of God then can 1722 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,240 come in. And so it's just a matter of us 1723 01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,480 teaching, training, coaching, helping people, and that's just. 1724 01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:21,120 Understanding that when you repent it, that's it's it's done 1725 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:22,680 right, It's a. Trust that's. 1726 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,600 Right it. Sounds like there's also on the 1727 01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,960 on the Saints themselves, a discipline and a submission to 1728 01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,160 the man of God that's over that church, but also just in your 1729 01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:35,760 own self to know, you know, hey, if there's two or three people 1730 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,640 praying over this person, I don't need to go and get 1731 01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:42,000 involved unless obviously if God is really impressing on you to 1732 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,400 go in to go and pray for him. But you know, it takes some 1733 01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,800 discipline to just not flood each person that comes up there 1734 01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,520 because sometimes that can scare him off. 1735 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,960 Sure. So let me tell you the story. 1736 01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,360 So years ago we were evangelizing, I was preaching in 1737 01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,560 the church North SE and West of here. 1738 01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:06,720 And we were, I had been preaching, we got to the altar 1739 01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:10,000 call and I had asked anybody that needed the Holy Ghost to 1740 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,480 come forward. And so we had, I don't know, 1741 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,800 four or five people lined up, needed the Holy Ghost. 1742 01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,520 And I was giving instructions about ready to start praying for 1743 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,720 people and all of a sudden around from behind me comes this 1744 01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,240 hand like he's this person's fixing to lay their hand on. 1745 01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:27,760 And I'm like, we're not there yet. 1746 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:32,080 I didn't know who it was. I was not paying a bit of 1747 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,040 attention who was behind me. I was reached over and catch and 1748 01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:35,880 I said not yet. And I never even turned around. 1749 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,880 Not yet, right. And so, because I knew where I 1750 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,280 was giving instructions, we were building. 1751 01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:46,960 We were people were about to get totally ghost and so and then so 1752 01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,440 we went on we pray if we have four or five, get the Holy Ghost 1753 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:53,280 that night. Powerful move of the Holy Ghost. 1754 01:33:53,280 --> 01:34:00,840 And then I realized it was the pastor that was about to lay 1755 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,040 hands on him and so I went to him afterwards. 1756 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,760 I said, pastor, I said, I want you to forgive me. 1757 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,120 I didn't realize that was you. He said, no, I was wrong. 1758 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:08,560 You were right. You were giving instructions. 1759 01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:12,000 I was about to step out of line. You needed you needed to finish 1760 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,920 doing what you're doing. So, but me as an evangelist, I, 1761 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,120 I was submitted to that man and went to him afterwards to say, 1762 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:24,840 hey, I, you know, I so, but I'm afraid what would happen was 1763 01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,840 because I was still trying to give instructions, that person 1764 01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,920 may not have received the Holy Ghost that night because they 1765 01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,440 may not have received what they, the instructions they needed 1766 01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,000 right there. We got distracted. 1767 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,360 So it was just the Lord that worked it out. 1768 01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,920 But man giving instructions, so important people do need support 1769 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,360 when they're on in the altar. We have this we have this 1770 01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:49,360 misconceived idea in Pentecost that they got to be standing up 1771 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,440 with their hands lifted. The Bible said the Holy Ghost 1772 01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:57,520 fell on while they were sitting. And so man, we've had people get 1773 01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,480 the Holy Ghost sitting in chairs in the altar. 1774 01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:01,840 I know the first person I ever heard say that was Brother Billy 1775 01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,200 Cole. And when he when he made that 1776 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,400 statement, it was like, man, you could feel everybody. 1777 01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,800 And you know, Oh my Lord, you know, I can't do it that way. 1778 01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:15,720 But, and so, but just the, just the fact that we have these 1779 01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,280 misconceived ideas of man, this is how somebody's got to receive 1780 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,240 the, they got to have their hands lifted, they got to be 1781 01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,400 crying. They got to be, you know, and, 1782 01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,200 and really, there's so many different ways people respond in 1783 01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:27,560 different ways. But here's the great thing about 1784 01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,640 the presence of God. It doesn't matter. 1785 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,080 It doesn't matter as long as you're surrendered and he'll 1786 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,560 fill you with the Holy Ghost. And a lot of people need to be 1787 01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:39,520 baptized first too, because they carry such a weight, you know, 1788 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,800 and so there's a reason why it's repent water baptism in Jesus 1789 01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,000 name and then filling of the Holy Ghost. 1790 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,080 I know sometimes that's reversed in scripture. 1791 01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,440 You get the Holy Ghost, then you then you're baptized. 1792 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,280 But some people really do need to be in the water before they 1793 01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,520 get the holiest. We've had many, many get the 1794 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:59,280 Holy Ghost in the water here because it does something to 1795 01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,960 them. It lets them know and I'm clean 1796 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,520 because a lot of times God may have forgiven them, but they may 1797 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,240 not have forgiven their self. But when they come out of that 1798 01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:09,000 water after the Jesus name has been applied to him, it just. 1799 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,240 I mean, it leaves a bird. Yeah, but it's also like I. 1800 01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,840 Would also imagine it's like a signal of submission and 1801 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,400 obedience, you know, to to to the Lord to say, you know, I 1802 01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,360 mean this. I mean this, this is serious. 1803 01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,080 To me, and sometimes you can think it in your head that 1804 01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,360 you're serious about it, but sometimes you have to act it out 1805 01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,760 and prove it. So I I would I would throw that 1806 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,440 in there. I was just going to say thank 1807 01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:34,320 you so much for for being with us today and that what we've 1808 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,760 been talking about just the the wisdom you shared. 1809 01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:41,120 Is there anything else that you would like to any other 1810 01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,240 encouragements or anything like that you would like to share 1811 01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,960 with us before we kind of conclude may do we? 1812 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,200 Have just a couple of minutes. I want to tell you, I want to 1813 01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,360 tell you a couple miracles that's happened since we've been 1814 01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,120 here. That's OK. 1815 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,480 Let's do it. So just want to build faith and 1816 01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:54,760 I'll try to hurry. No, no. 1817 01:36:54,760 --> 01:37:03,920 No, no, no, you have so. So when we got here eight years 1818 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,920 ago, church was, you know, I've been in several years of 1819 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,600 decline. The Lord's blessed us and, and, 1820 01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,120 and God helped us turn it around. 1821 01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,160 So I'm and I'm thankful this is one of the oldest churches in 1822 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,880 the district. This church was affiliated in 1823 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,840 1949. So this church is 76 years old. 1824 01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:24,360 So I'm thankful for every elder that went before me that laid 1825 01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,000 groundwork to get us where we are. 1826 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,960 You last year after District Conference tell you 2 miracles 1827 01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:40,080 that happened last year after District conference. 1828 01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,680 Brother Philip Harrelson was on his way. 1829 01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,480 We're going to have service that Saturday night. 1830 01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,480 My wife was coming to the church Saturday afternoon to prepare 1831 01:37:49,480 --> 01:37:52,160 for service, music, all that kind of good stuff. 1832 01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:56,600 I get a phone call from from a number I do not know. 1833 01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:00,440 I answer the phone call that that my wife had been in a 1834 01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:04,560 wreck, that he had climbed into the vehicle with her because she 1835 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,880 was, you know, had been in this wreck. 1836 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,440 So she was on the way to church out here on the four lane. 1837 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,200 Somebody had come across and T boned her in the in the South in 1838 01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:20,360 the driver's side. So I jump up some shoes on head 1839 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,280 out this way. When I get here, when I get out 1840 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,360 to the where the wreck happened, I get out of the vehicle 1841 01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:33,320 immediately. I'm I mean, I'm just overwhelmed 1842 01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:38,760 because they have a sheet, a white sheet pulled over my wife. 1843 01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:43,600 And so I'm, I mean, I'm just falling apart, man. 1844 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,520 I'm thinking, Oh my Lord, this is the worst thing. 1845 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:50,040 You know, my wife is as been killed in this automobile 1846 01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:54,560 accident. So immediately a fire volunteer 1847 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,320 fireman came running to me. He told me, he said she's not, 1848 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,800 she's not dead. We put the sheet over because 1849 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,640 we're having to cut her out of the car and we wanted to make 1850 01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,520 sure she didn't get more glass and stuff on her. 1851 01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:11,240 So they took her out of the car, end up Med flighting her to 1852 01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:15,760 Huntsville. Several people showed up at the 1853 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,520 hospital that night, but it's just a pen. 1854 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,800 We're one of them, Brother, sister, Cheryl. 1855 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,440 There was some more, I can't remember all of who all was 1856 01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:30,520 there, but anyway, man, we prayed and the Lord worked a 1857 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,360 miracle. She she actually came home from 1858 01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,200 the hospital that night. That's amazing. 1859 01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,680 So I. Mean it went from the emotion of 1860 01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:42,160 Oh my goodness, the Lord, you know, the Lord has taken my wife 1861 01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:46,440 home, you know, through this automobile accident to she's 1862 01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:49,520 home. And so it's it's a what a 1863 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,600 miracle. You know what a miracle so it 1864 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,520 could have been, could have been much worse. 1865 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:56,240 Let me give you a couple just very quickly, another couple 1866 01:39:56,240 --> 01:40:01,360 miracles. So several years ago when we 1867 01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:06,360 got, we'd probably been here three years or so, maybe 3 or 4. 1868 01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:11,280 The Lord started dealing with me about opening a recovery 1869 01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:16,920 ministry at our church. And so I didn't know what we 1870 01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,440 were doing. I had no clue. 1871 01:40:18,440 --> 01:40:22,000 I started looking around at other Apostolic. 1872 01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:24,920 Recovery houses, recovery ministries. 1873 01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,520 And so we started looking for a house to rent. 1874 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,800 We, we, there was no house to be found and nobody wanted that in 1875 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,960 their home, which is understandable. 1876 01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:42,560 But so we just started doing everything we could do. 1877 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,280 We started setting up all, doing all of our legal stuff, all the 1878 01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,360 getting all the paperwork set up that we needed, even though we 1879 01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,360 didn't have a house. We just started working in 1880 01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,000 recovery. My wife started teaching Bible 1881 01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,200 studies at a local recovery house here. 1882 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,800 We started seeing some of these ladies come to our church, 1883 01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,520 started getting baptized. And, and So what was happening 1884 01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:07,600 was they would come, they get the Holy Ghost or they would 1885 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,960 feel the presence of God and then they wouldn't show back up. 1886 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:14,480 And I'm like, OK, we, we've got to have a recovery house because 1887 01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:18,240 if you're in our recovery house, then you have, you're required 1888 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,600 to come to church, right? You're here Sunday morning, 1889 01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:22,960 you're here Wednesday night, you're here for any special 1890 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,320 services, anything else we got going on, you're required to be 1891 01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:27,560 here. So it starts teaching 1892 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,080 faithfulness and, and it requires them to stay in that, 1893 01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,200 you know, in the presence of God, which allows the presence 1894 01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:36,200 of God to work on them. So, and the Lord helps them 1895 01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:40,520 through through many things. So, so man, we have been looking 1896 01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,040 for a house, couldn't find a house. 1897 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:48,960 We finally found a house not too far from here that the family 1898 01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,120 was willing to allow us to rent that house and they knew what 1899 01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:54,800 we're going to do. So we said, oh man, that's 1900 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,400 great. So we signed a lease on the 1901 01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:03,760 House, signed a lease on the House, and then like 2 weeks, 1902 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:08,560 no, no, no, no. The week before we were going to 1903 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,120 open, we receive a call from the state fire Marshall. 1904 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,200 State Fire Marshall says, I hear you're opening recovery house in 1905 01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:20,320 the area. You can't do that until we come 1906 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,760 out and inspected it. And I can go ahead and tell you 1907 01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:26,840 you're going to need a sprinkler system put in that house. 1908 01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:31,560 Well, we knew that there are many recovery houses in our area 1909 01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,400 that do not have sprinklers. We didn't bring that up. 1910 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,640 We just said, OK, so he came out inspected, said you got to have 1911 01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:43,120 a life safety plan, which is, you know, exit signs of, you 1912 01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,400 know, evacuation routes, all this kind of stuff. 1913 01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:46,880 And you got to have a sprinkler system. 1914 01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:53,760 So we reached out to a a local licensed architect with state. 1915 01:42:55,840 --> 01:43:00,240 This licensed architect had to drop a life safety plan, which 1916 01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:03,120 includes evacuation routes, all the square footage of the house, 1917 01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,920 all this kind of stuff. Now think about this. 1918 01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,640 We're in a rental house and they're going to require us to 1919 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,160 put a sprinkler system in. Keep that in the back of your 1920 01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:20,280 mind. So we we end up talking to this 1921 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:24,800 licensed engineer. We show her, she comes out, sees 1922 01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,680 the house, she buys into the program. 1923 01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,120 She's like, oh man, we need this in our area. 1924 01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:31,440 I believe in what you're doing almost. 1925 01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,280 We're going to cover the cost of your life. 1926 01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:34,400 Safe, safe. Wow. 1927 01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:35,520 We're not going to charge you anything. 1928 01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:38,640 Wow, OK, great. So wonderful. 1929 01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:44,240 So we got the life safety plan that was a few $1000 my car, our 1930 01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,480 chiropractor, because my wife was having trouble from the 1931 01:43:47,480 --> 01:43:49,280 wreck. She was having to go to the 1932 01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,080 chiropractor on a very regular basis. 1933 01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,600 We became good friends with a chiropractor and the 1934 01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,520 chiropractor knew about us wanting to open our recovery 1935 01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,880 house. He also through conversations, 1936 01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:04,480 you know, while he's cracking your neck, you know, he's, he's, 1937 01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:09,240 we're talking to him and, and we let him know that, hey, we got 1938 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,520 to have a sprinkler system. He's so and I, I'm in, I'm in a 1939 01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,200 small group. They don't get our church, but, 1940 01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,560 he said. I'm in a small group with a guy 1941 01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,280 that owns Global Fire. Here in our. 1942 01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,760 Here in our area. So he said I'm going to put you 1943 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,360 in contact with him. So him and my wife got in 1944 01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:30,440 contact. He brought himself and his 1945 01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:35,680 management team, came out, toured the house, said man, we 1946 01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,840 love what y'all are doing. We want to be a part of it. 1947 01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:39,800 What's the estimate going to cost us? 1948 01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:44,040 What's going to cost you $34,000 sprinkler system in the house? 1949 01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:47,640 We're thinking, OK, we're leasing a house, we're going to 1950 01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:49,840 put a $34,000 sprinkler system in. 1951 01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,960 I'm not even sure that the homeowner would want us to allow 1952 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,800 us to put a sprinkler system in the house. 1953 01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:57,040 So we started talking to the homeowner. 1954 01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,360 Hey, would you, would you let us do? 1955 01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:03,200 Because we were a new entity, our recovery house, new entity, 1956 01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:08,800 there was not enough financial history to be able to finance 1957 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:14,280 the house. So I'm trying to make a Long 1958 01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:15,560 story short. No, no, no, no. 1959 01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,360 So as much keep it going, so we we. 1960 01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:26,520 We start talking to homeowner. Would you do a two year lease to 1961 01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,760 own and then after two years we got enough financials we can go 1962 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:30,840 to the bank and borrow the money. 1963 01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:33,120 Kemp first thought he's going to say yes. 1964 01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,680 Came back, said no, I don't want to do that out, but I will sell 1965 01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,600 the house out right to you. OK, what do we do? 1966 01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:43,560 OK, so now we got to have we got to have a down payment, right? 1967 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:48,000 A down payment on the House and a $34,000 sprinkler system. 1968 01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:52,160 Wow. OK, Lord, you directed us into 1969 01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:53,960 this. We don't have that kind of money 1970 01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,680 on hand to do this. What it what do you want us to 1971 01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:01,360 do? So we started having 1972 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,320 conversations with the man that owns Global Fire. 1973 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,760 He come back and he said, you know, it's $34,000, but I think 1974 01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:12,840 I can do it for 27. Then he comes back and said, we, 1975 01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,840 I've worked with some of our vendors. 1976 01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,840 I think I can do it for 20. Then he comes back and he said 1977 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:19,240 I've, I've, I've got it down some more. 1978 01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:23,360 I think I can do it for 14. Then he comes back again and 1979 01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,000 says, hey, I think I've got it down to $8000. 1980 01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,920 Wow. I'm like, man, that's awesome. 1981 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,120 So, so we're thinking. And then the day they finished 1982 01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:35,960 the sprinkler system, he tells us we work with our vendors. 1983 01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,960 All we've been out is our labor and we're going to cover the 1984 01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,080 labor. Thank you Jesus. 1985 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,960 Completely free. $34,000 Sprinkler system Thank you 1986 01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:45,160 Jesus. All right. 1987 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,920 So in the meantime, we are trying to purchase this piece of 1988 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,840 that this house, right? We're trying to purchase this 1989 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:56,000 house. We needed almost $40,000 down 1990 01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,000 payment for the house, right? For the house and for the first 1991 01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:03,360 year's home owner and liability insurance. 1992 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,400 So talking like, OK, Lord, what what we going to do? 1993 01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,440 How we going to get this right? And so we met with a local 1994 01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:12,800 banker. He's like, man, I'll be happy to 1995 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,000 finance it. This is what you know, I mean 1996 01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:18,560 just worked out that was going to finance it because we did not 1997 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:24,000 have the financial history to be able to to to do that. 1998 01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:27,640 But man, a local banker great guy said we're going to work 1999 01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:28,800 with you. We're going to get it. 2000 01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,720 We believe in this. So threw a threw a contact with 2001 01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:40,000 Bishop and Sister Phil, the priest in Murfreesboro, somebody 2002 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,800 that, that, that that goes to that church. 2003 01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:48,720 We made a contact with them. They, his name is Lyle Span. 2004 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:52,640 He owns Sparrow REI. It's real estate investment. 2005 01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,200 And So what they do is they go in, they take houses, flip them 2006 01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,600 and, and, and, and he's got rental houses all this kind of 2007 01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,440 different stuff. So we, we had a, we had a 2008 01:48:00,440 --> 01:48:04,040 meeting with with Lyle and talk to him. 2009 01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,120 He said, man, I believe in what y'all are doing. 2010 01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:07,400 I want to help. How can I help? 2011 01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:11,200 And and Monica, she's just very, she's very bold. 2012 01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,080 And she said, yeah, I'm thankful for it. 2013 01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,640 She said, she said, Lyle, I'll be honest with you, what we 2014 01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,800 need, we need a down payment on this house. 2015 01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:25,680 And he said, how much is that? And we told him, he said, OK, 2016 01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,120 when you close and I'll write, I'll write that our company 2017 01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:31,520 write the checks. So we. 2018 01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:36,960 We closed on the House. He, he sent the money, we closed 2019 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,400 on the House and got the house and now we have a recovery 2020 01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:43,720 house, got 12 beds in that recovery house. 2021 01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:48,400 It was 1 miracle after another that God, wow, it was, it was, 2022 01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:50,600 you can't tell me that it wasn't the hand of God. 2023 01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,480 We didn't do it. The Lord did it. 2024 01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:55,520 And so thank God for that. And because of that, we've had 2025 01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,160 many people get the Holy Ghost, many baptized and God is doing 2026 01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:01,120 great things in the lives of these ladies. 2027 01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:07,440 So I'm thankful for that. And and so we are I mean, it's 2028 01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:11,040 such a such a powerful thing to see see God just turn lives 2029 01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,200 around. Yeah, I'd. 2030 01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:13,600 Seen the recovery center on Facebook. 2031 01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,440 I see just Monica posting about it. 2032 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,760 For a long time I was like, I don't, I don't know what what 2033 01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:19,880 this is. I thought she just got a job at 2034 01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:21,480 a recovery place. I didn't know it was actually 2035 01:49:21,480 --> 01:49:23,640 y'all's personal one. That's really cool. 2036 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:25,760 Yeah. So when I was praying about. 2037 01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,120 Our church is Green Hill United, I think also church. 2038 01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:35,000 So I was praying about, OK, Lord, what you want us to open 2039 01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,560 this recovery house. What do you want us to call it? 2040 01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:40,000 You know, all that kind of stuff. 2041 01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,040 And so the Lord just spoke to me and said, Hey, I want it to be 2042 01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:47,320 called heels recovery center and, and your scriptures going 2043 01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:49,120 to be looking to the heels from what's come with your help, help 2044 01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,800 come with from the Lord. And so we call it HRC heels 2045 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,520 recovery center and it goes right along with GHUPC. 2046 01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,960 So that's amazing. So anyway, it's it's a miracle 2047 01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,560 man. God's done so many great things 2048 01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,800 for us and we're so excited. It's awesome and so. 2049 01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,320 It's so cool that you, you know, you know, and a lot of people, 2050 01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,600 you know, I think that's one thing that lacks sometimes from 2051 01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,080 from us is that we don't do some of these things helping out with 2052 01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:13,240 the community, but you were faithful to God when God 2053 01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:16,400 challenged you to reach out. And not only that, but he made a 2054 01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,080 way for that to happen when you're you're looking at and 2055 01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:22,360 you're saying 74. $1000 yeah, it's amazing. 2056 01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:23,680 I mean, it's, you know, it's just come out. 2057 01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,960 Out of the air basically and and that's amazing and even just 2058 01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:31,560 it's it's a good testimony to how God can use his people to to 2059 01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:36,200 make that way so I'm. A I'm a firm believer in Kingdom 2060 01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:40,480 providers. There are people out there that 2061 01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:46,240 are part of the Kingdom of God that that the Lord has blessed 2062 01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:50,360 financially and he did that so that they would become Kingdom 2063 01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:55,320 providers. And Lyle and Abby Spann that are 2064 01:50:55,320 --> 01:51:02,640 not connected to our church, they chose to be a be Kingdom 2065 01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,800 providers. Their company said, hey, we're 2066 01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:09,360 we're willing to buy into that. The man that owns global fire. 2067 01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,360 My knowledge that they do go to a church, but it's not an 2068 01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:19,320 Apostolic Church, but man God's blessed his company and that 2069 01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:22,480 company chose to be a Kingdom provider. 2070 01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:27,000 And it's so it's amazing me God puts people in places so that he 2071 01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,880 can bless the Kingdom and help. And so thank God for that, 2072 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,400 right? And so I'm reminded of something 2073 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,720 Brother Mullins did when we first bought a railroad bed Rd. 2074 01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,120 back at Lifegate. You know, when we got to 2075 01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:44,600 closing, the closing attorneys and everybody like I've never 2076 01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,360 seen this before. You come to closing and you're 2077 01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,800 leaving with money, you know, you're leaving with a check. 2078 01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:53,640 You know what in the world, how that happened, you know, And so 2079 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,560 God puts people, that makes connections and puts people in 2080 01:51:57,560 --> 01:51:59,520 our lives so that they can be Kingdom providers. 2081 01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,480 And I'm thankful for Kingdom providers, man. 2082 01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:05,600 I'm absolutely thankful. So if God's blessed you, man, 2083 01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,200 make sure you do your part and become a Kingdom provider. 2084 01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,880 Thank you. Jesus, there's Bible verses, but 2085 01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:12,200 we'll go to the the Marvel verse. 2086 01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:14,320 With great power comes great responsibility, no? 2087 01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:18,680 The. Yeah, that's that, that, that, 2088 01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,400 that's, that's so it's and it's so good because, you know, like 2089 01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,680 a lot of things, people, people will spend their money on all 2090 01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:25,200 kinds of stuff. But whenever these people come 2091 01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,200 back, everyone who goes through that house is going to have been 2092 01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:30,280 impacted by the investment. That's exactly. 2093 01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:34,320 There's no better way we could spend anything than think about 2094 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,760 all the people who are going to come through and get blessed by 2095 01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,360 God. So I just I'm praising with you, 2096 01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:40,280 brother. It's it's. 2097 01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:42,480 A miracle, man. And you know, not just one 2098 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:45,600 miracle, it's many miracles, But God is, he's so good man. 2099 01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:51,880 He's provided so many ways. You know, we, you guys now at 2100 01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:54,720 the sitting in the church here, you, you seen it that we're, 2101 01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,480 we're on the back Rd. here, you know, on this little back Rd. 2102 01:52:57,480 --> 01:53:00,200 And I've had so many people since we've been here in eight 2103 01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,280 years tell me I didn't even know there was a United Pentagon. 2104 01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:04,920 I didn't know there was a Pentecostal church in Green 2105 01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,440 Hill. And it's because we've been on 2106 01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:10,200 this back Rd. for all these years, literally 76 years since 2107 01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:17,640 1949, this church has been here. And so I feel like the Lord told 2108 01:53:17,640 --> 01:53:21,240 me how you, you, we got a, we got to get this church out of 2109 01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:24,480 the off the back Rd. and on the main road so it can be in the, 2110 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,160 you know, people can see it. And so 12 acres of land came 2111 01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:32,840 available right on Hwy. 43, less than half a mile from where 2112 01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:38,560 we're sitting now. And man, the Lord's helped us. 2113 01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:42,640 We are going to close on that land in just a couple weeks. 2114 01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:46,920 And, and so when we get our, when we get the land paid off, 2115 01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:51,040 we're going to do our best to build a building there because I 2116 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,920 feel like the Lord wants to be, wants to be front and center in 2117 01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:55,400 this community. And he wants something, he wants 2118 01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,160 this community and this, you know, our surrounding area to 2119 01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,640 know that man, there is a, there's a Pentecostal church 2120 01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,680 here that you can come and experience the power and 2121 01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:06,600 presence of God. And so I don't know when this is 2122 01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,120 going to air, but next Sunday, November the 2nd, where is it? 2123 01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:11,240 We're having our miracle Sunday here at church. 2124 01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,360 And, and so our people have been praying. 2125 01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:16,520 They've been seeking the Lord about, you know, one time 2126 01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:19,400 sacrificial offering and then a 36 month pledge. 2127 01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:23,520 And so because we're, we're just believing that we're going to 2128 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,360 man, we're going to get that land, get it paid off and we're 2129 01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:28,920 going to, we're going to build a church there. 2130 01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:33,760 So God, God's got ways, man, that's beyond our ways. 2131 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:35,880 He's got Kingdom providers, that's beyond us. 2132 01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:38,040 And so there's just no telling what God's going to do. 2133 01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:40,720 I mean, we're excited about it. So 12 acres is. 2134 01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:42,040 Nice, man. That's 12 acres. 2135 01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:43,600 That's more than enough room to grow. 2136 01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,120 Yeah, well. You know, I envision, I envision 2137 01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:50,520 a campus, I envision ball fields, family life center, you 2138 01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,320 know, all this kind of different stuff. 2139 01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:57,720 And so because I, I, I, although we do want a new sanctuary, we 2140 01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:02,320 need a new sanctuary. We're probably 3/4 full here and 2141 01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:06,440 our parking is we're, we've got people parking in the grass when 2142 01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:12,960 everybody's here. So you know, we, we're going to 2143 01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:17,600 need a new facility very soon. And so the Lord knows that, but 2144 01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:21,760 I also believe that the Lord's going going to work all of it 2145 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,560 out. And so I will go ahead and tell 2146 01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:31,600 you that we have had this year alone, we've had a $25,000 2147 01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:36,400 anonymous donation to the mayor that that's going to help us 2148 01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,800 with our down payment. And so I'm thankful for that. 2149 01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:45,400 I just think the Lord said I got this, you know, you know, 2150 01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:53,800 because I mean, it's amazing what God does and God's people 2151 01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:55,400 are faithful and thankful for that. 2152 01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:59,240 But you start building in these days, it takes a lot of money 2153 01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:01,760 and the Lord, but the Lord's going to the Lord's feel about 2154 01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:04,280 that. Absolutely it. 2155 01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:07,480 Goes back, it goes back to that story, your grandmother, right, 2156 01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:10,080 David and Goliath was the story you were raised on. 2157 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,880 And then you see God raising people up from the dead and then 2158 01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,560 you see God protecting your wife and then you see God making a 2159 01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,040 way for you to have a recovery house. 2160 01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:19,280 There's no, I'm just speaking for you. 2161 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,600 I know there's no doubt in your mind that God's going to take 2162 01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:24,240 the next step for you. Even when you can't see, there's 2163 01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,840 no doubt you. Know but no doubt that God's 2164 01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:30,240 going to do it and man I we're we're just excited about where 2165 01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:34,280 we're going and what God's doing here. 2166 01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:39,360 I mean, we're we're man just can't wait to see what the next 2167 01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,920 8 years old, you know. And so the Lord tarries then 2168 01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,000 and, and if you don't, we're not going to worry about it anyway. 2169 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,840 Glory won't complain about that. That's right. 2170 01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,240 That's right. Oh goodness. 2171 01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:52,680 All right. Thank you so much. 2172 01:56:52,680 --> 01:56:54,800 For sharing, is there any anything else you would like to 2173 01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:57,080 and with people? Thank you guys. 2174 01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:00,040 I enjoy the podcast. Thank you for the opportunity to 2175 01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:03,240 be on here and I appreciate what you guys are doing. 2176 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:08,040 Keep up the great work. I've enjoyed all the all the 2177 01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,440 episodes. There's all of them. 2178 01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:14,400 They've been all really good and so just enjoy them. 2179 01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:18,480 So keep up, keep doing what you're doing and, and to all 2180 01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:22,520 Lifegate that know me, I love you guys, appreciate you and to 2181 01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:26,280 Lifegate that doesn't know me, then I hope to one day get to be 2182 01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:28,680 in fellowship with you and and be in service with you. 2183 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,440 What will happen one day? It's just, you know, whether 2184 01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:32,640 it's here or later on. That's right. 2185 01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,200 That's right. Yeah. 2186 01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:37,040 But we just want to thank you for the Shane once again, the 2187 01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:40,200 impact you made on Lifegate. You're in your your handprints 2188 01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:43,000 all over where we're at now taking what building that 2189 01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,480 helping build at that time, which is such a critical time 2190 01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,840 and each of our lives. You know, you have that youth 2191 01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,240 group that so many of those people. 2192 01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:51,840 So Corey, you got Seth now living living in Boston. 2193 01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,320 You know, you got so many people that you had your hands on. 2194 01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:56,680 And we all just thank you and we're grateful for the 2195 01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:57,840 opportunity to be here with you. Awesome. 2196 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,480 We're looking forward to what God's going to continue to do 2197 01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:03,000 and what he's going to do here in Green Hill and also through 2198 01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:04,840 the state. So we appreciate it well. 2199 01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,240 Thank you. I do want to say this, if you 2200 01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:12,560 haven't been on YouTube and topped in catalyst rafting trip, 2201 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:20,080 there is there is a great, very cool video of we when we went 2202 01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,840 wild water rafting up in North Carolina. 2203 01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,840 You ought to go check it out Catalyst rafting trip. 2204 01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:29,160 I think we'll get you to the video and it's it's a lot of 2205 01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:30,200 fun. It was great.