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Welcome, welcome, welcome. 
We're back with another episode 

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of the podcast. 
I apologize. 

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I have slacked and getting these
out consistently. 

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I was out three, two weeks ago 
with A Bristers 1 and I feel 

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like I have not done one of 
these in forever. 

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So I might talk way too much, 
but we're doing this one a 

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little bit different. 
We're not going to have any 

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super special guests just 
because we want to talk about 

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ourselves and hopes of getting 
our own perspective and just 

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having the Ogs kind of sit down 
and and talk about everything 

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and maybe get into some deep 
stuff. 

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I don't know. 
We'll see how we go, but I'll go

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ahead and spin it around 
everybody else here, let 

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everybody introduce themselves 
and then we'll kind of get 

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going. 
Cameron here present. 

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I'm I'm Kobe Penton, his elder 
brother, the more mature one. 

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The more mature one, that's OK. 
All right, so first thing I 

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wanted to ask you guys. 
I know what my perspective was 

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when I first started coming to 
Life Gate, but I never really 

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got to listen to y'all's 
perspective. 

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Both just being the kids during 
the whole move and then 

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obviously whenever the first few
families started coming along 

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and how that feels. 
Because you know, you probably 

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had some friends and family in 
Oklahoma before you moved to 

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Madison, but when y'all moved 
here you had nobody. 

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So I mean, you're like isolated 
and then you've watched this all

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grow and Lifegate to you, I 
mean, we all say Lifegate's a 

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family, but to you guys it is 
much more because you've grown 

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as a family with that. 
So whichever one of y'all wants 

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to take off first, if you can 
remember just how it was before 

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you guys came to Madison, what 
you were thinking and you know, 

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you'll both talk. 
So there's no need to fight over

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who goes first. 
No, I mean start off, I go back 

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to that early 2000s, you know, I
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and I remember the transition 
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I can't really remember exactly 
whenever it was like, oh, we're 

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moving to Alabama specifically 
was the goal. 

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I do remember along the way, 
like basically that transition 

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period where we were staying, we
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being in Oklahoma and we moved 
to stay in with our grandparents

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mostly for a period of time 
while we knew they were going to

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Alabama and things to get to get
set up in some capacity, like 

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to, to start a church. 
Like I don't really remember 

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having like that that moment 
where I was like, oh, guys, 

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we're going to Alabama. 
Well, like, like we didn't like,

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I don't remember a conversation 
where we sat down and they're 

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like, hey, guys, we're moving to
Alabama. 

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Maybe Kobe does. 
But I do remember just kind of 

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like in my various memories 
about like when, when we were 

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when we were at the grandparents
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was like, Oh yeah, we're we're 
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So I have that kind of memory 
and like I said, just we we kind

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of stayed during that portion. 
And I don't really think for me,

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you know, Kobe can speak a 
little bit about his experience,

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but like I didn't really have 
any kind of anxieties about that

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necessarily. 
But I was very young. 

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So I was more like going with 
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The most part. 
Would you have been 6 at that 

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time? 
I think yeah, 5 or 6. 

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I think I was 8. 
So you might have a, it would. 

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Have been five and a half 2000 
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Yeah, 04/04 ish 2. 1003, 2004 
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When you guys moved down here, 
you were born in 9797, but it 

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was later it was like mid 97, 
yeah, June. 

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So you're it's a half year 
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So yeah, about 5 1/2 is when you
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Yeah. 
And so like, like I said, that 

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was like formative years, but 
not necessarily like, you know, 

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I, I wasn't exactly, you know, 
completely aware of the concept.

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Kobe might have a little bit 
more. 

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Yeah, I do remember we had a 
bunch of conversations actually,

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about different areas they were 
looking at, and they were 

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praying about everything. 
I It may have been different for

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Cameron, too, because when we 
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maybe preschool in Oklahoma. 
I don't even know if he went to 

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kindergarten. 
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It was just preschool. 
I went to 1st grade and then we 

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were moving at a weird point 
where like it was middle of 2nd 

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grade for me, I think. 
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public school and she was 
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prepared for us moving, you 
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district and all that. 
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bit. 
Go ahead. 

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And not being yanked away from 
friends or whatnot, kind of 

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having that period of a distance
in yourself, I guess. 

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And so we were still close with 
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But I do remember, I want to say
it was North Carolina was an 

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area that they had prayed about.
There was an area in North 

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Carolina they prayed about. 
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mentioned some other state, I 
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I'm sure there's a lot of states
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and was on their mind and had 
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But then I, I know the biggest 
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established church in Oklahoma 
that we went to evangelize that 

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dad did. 
He went to preach and they the 

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biggest catalyst that would have
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that church. 
They really wanted dad to come 

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and be the pastor, and that was 
a larger congregation like. 

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They want him to be the pastor 
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No, the pastor, yeah, take over 
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Oklahoma. 
I don't remember the town 

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entirely, but I remember from my
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I'm not, you know, diving too 
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old perspective of it. 
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really big church. 
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whatnot. 
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being the coming down to, hey, 
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We're going to really pray about
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going to start a home missions 
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And so that was kind of floated 
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And I mean, I remember as an 8 
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already live in Oklahoma. 
That would be really cool. 

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You know, we're there and then 
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So you get an opportunity for a 
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So I was kind of leaning that 
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I'm like, yeah, I mean, if I was
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going to send us there, you 
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And then that didn't happen. 
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nobody except for Cam Guy. 
Let however old do you. 

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Remember the moving process, 
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I'm talking like the actual 
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we going to live? 
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church. 
I mean, because you guys went to

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Athens for a while while you 
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So I said the first part was we,
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grandparents for a few months. 
So it wasn't a straight Oklahoma

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to Alabama move. 
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We moved to stay with them for a
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Yeah, I don't remember if we 
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I know we visited in 
Mississippi, but the longest 

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stint I remember we went to 
Louisiana and stayed with our 

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grandparents down there. 
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And mom and dad, they would 
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all. 
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generally unless it was 
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So they established in 
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brought you here. 
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Think so mostly mom was mom was 
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still doing school and stuff. 
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learning to read in that period 
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You ever did you ever actually 
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Still working on it, hopefully 
we'll see. 

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Anyways, go ahead. 
But no, so like, I do remember 

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that period is more has has more
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And yeah, we stayed there for a 
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like, OK, I knew like Dad was 
looking for a job was a big 

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deal. 
Like we knew like he was over 

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here trying to get something, 
like you said, something 

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established for us. 
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well, he's got a job now so we 
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We didn't know at the time, but 
that was kind of not exactly a 

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job he was looking forward. 
He wasn't the work at Lowe's. 

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Yeah, working at Lowe's. 
Yeah, and and props Lowe's. 

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Lowe's is a great corporation 
and everything but the salary he

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was given with three kids. 
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apartment in Decatur when we 
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We went to Athens first church. 
Shout out to them. 

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We went there for a little while
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services in Madison. 
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studies with people in Madison 
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the weeks and the weekends. 
So, and then at First Church, it

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did help though 'cause it kind 
of gave us a basis of, OK, these

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are Alabama people, you know, 
going to a different Pentecostal

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church. 
But there's friendships we have 

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to this day that. 
We met my wife at that church, 

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that is true. 
And then Colby. 

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Colby learned a drum from my 
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That is very true also. 
Yeah, Cameron, but. 

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Yeah, there's also that culture 
shock, I'm sure. 

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So when we moved here from Saint
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different vibe with the way 
people acted, how they talked to

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you like. 
Whatever Roll Tide meant. 

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Yeah, dude, Like, you remember 
when I first started and you're 

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like, hey, this is college 
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And I was like what is this? 
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and Oklahoma is like, I mean, 
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state, they don't really have as
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It's more flat, more of that 
Midwestern kind of accent, which

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is very flat. 
And so the first, I think one of

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the first services we got there,
I remember Kobe and I get in 

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trouble because and we were just
laughing because they were 

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talking and we just couldn't 
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So we were just laughing and 
they enough my kids slapping us 

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with. 
With their Alabama birth 

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certificates, they sound country
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But I still, I still get in 
trouble at home all the time 

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with Brooke because she's got 
such a Southern country accent 

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and I'll get her all the time. 
And then I got her just 

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recently. 
She's going to kill me for 

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saying this, but I just got her 
recently because she said 

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something that like, I'd never 
heard before as far as like an 

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analogy. 
She was talking to somebody and 

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she was like, well, you're not 
exactly the brightest lightning 

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bug out there in the field, are 
you? 

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And I was like, what? 
I've never heard that. 

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Before, but it makes perfect 
sense. 

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But it makes perfect sense. 
That is such an Alabama thing to

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say. 
Yeah, it's great. 

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It is funny. 
It's funny out. 

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I remember, you know how like 
sometimes growing up you have 

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moments, embarrassing moments 
that like are core memories for 

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you. 
You know, like Inside Out the 

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movie where it's one of those 
core memories. 

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Oh, yeah, I remember these 
people making fun of us for our 

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accent because it was so, you 
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Midwestern and everything. 
And they were like, where are 

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you from? 
And I remember them saying where

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are you from? 
And I was like, I was born in 

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Louisiana. 
And they were like, you don't 

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sound like you're from 
Louisiana. 

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Like, I mean, yeah, I know it it
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though. 
You have to adapt to the culture

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and everything. 
But I think our parents shout 

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out to them. 
They did such a good job and in 

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stealing such a, a confidence, I
guess, and then a comfort. 

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You know, we had a home base 
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They made the best of every 
situation. 

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And looking at it as an adult 
now, because dad wasn't much 

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older than I am right now with 
three kids. 

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Yeah, I just, it was a trial 
getting in there. 

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I remember they really did make 
the best of it. 

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They made a cowboy Stew, if you 
remember that, which was just a 

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Little Mix of everything thrown 
in a crock pot with a little bit

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of meat. 
And we thought that was the best

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thing in the world. 
Maybe we're like, this is 

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amazing. 
Yeah. 

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Do you remember the first? 
Do you remember the the services

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at the hotel when y'all first 
had your I? 

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Remember the first service? 
What was your perspective on 

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that? 
I've seen I've seen like one or 

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two pictures and the little 
meeting room, but. 

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I'd say the build up to it more 
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we're here at Athens, like the 
one thing the parents, you know,

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they always did was like ensure 
like, hey, we're here for a 

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purpose, you know what I mean? 
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like, it was like, you know, 
like we want to meet people. 

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wanted to make sure we knew 

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like, hey, we're not here just 
to go to a different church, you

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know what I mean? 
We're here to do something. 

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So like I would say like, even 
though we were going to those 

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churches, we always knew, hey, 
something like, you know, and we

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didn't really have any, like 
Kobe said then still in 

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confidence, like just that 
confidence from them. 

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That was like the idea of the of
Lifegate, like the what would 

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become Lifegate Church failing 
was like that wasn't in our 

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vocabulary. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like that wasn't even an idea in
our brains, at least from my 

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perspective. 
No, definitely. 

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I'm the same way. 
It was. 

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It wasn't a matter of if it was 
just a wind thing. 

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Yeah, it was like, oh hey, 
there's a lot of hard work ahead

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of us and the first service, 
yeah, build up, a lot of build 

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up to it. 
I think the issue with kids some

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and maybe Cameron can can feel 
the same way. 

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Maybe he feels completely 
different. 

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I don't know. 
But I think with a kid at 8 or 9

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at that time, I think I was 
about 9. 

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You long for stability a whole 
lot, you know. 

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And so in those first days you 
latch on to stuff quick. 

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Like we were at the hotel that 
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know did we have we had multiple
services at the hotel. 

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I've been told that we have that
multiple services. 

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I only have memory of the one. 
So me too, we had that first 

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one. 
And I do remember, I think we 

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had multiple. 
I just can't really remember it 

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all. 
And then after that, mom got in 

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contact with Kate at the 
children's theater and that 

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again, was moving to, OK, we've 
got a little bit more stability,

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I guess. 
And so we latched onto that. 

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That was kind of the home base. 
Yeah, I'd say for that first 

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service, like the big thing was 
like, we were like, OK, hey, 

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we're we're launching this 
thing. 

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This is our launch service and 
it's pretty cool. 

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We have a lot of people that 
were from Oklahoma. 

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They came to visit a lot of 
family, you know, and as a kid 

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you're like, oh man, this is 
great. 

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Look at look at our. 
Look at our church. 

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And we did have a visitor, yeah,
I forget her name, man. 

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She was a lady. 
Mom knew that ended up getting 

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the contacts from. 
She was her husband was like in 

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real estate or something. 
I remember that. 

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We went over to their house, 
played with their kids one time,

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but she was there at that first 
service and so at we were like, 

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hey, one service 1 visitor. 
This is going to be a quick 

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word. 
How little did you know? 

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Yeah, and then from from my 
young perspective, everybody was

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their worship and you have a 
great service and it was like, 

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Oh yeah, this is awesome. 
And I was just like hey guys, 

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why don't y'all just stay? 
Straight up, yeah. 

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But, you know, that's, you know,
kids don't get all the 

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ramifications of that from 
people, unfortunately. 

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Yeah. 
So we moved to moved to the 

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moved to the theater and then 
it's just you guys for a while 

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there, maybe one or two people 
come along. 

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What's like, I know when you 
guys are praying at that point 

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you're praying like, oh man, are
are you praying? 

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Just bring people? 
Are you bringing? 

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Are you praying like, hey, bring
people that are going to have 

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kids that like, we're not going 
to be the only two? 

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I think probably at first we 
were praying for kids and then 

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at some point, man, we were 
praying for people. 

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Just anybody. 
Anybody come through? 

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That door, yeah. 
And then the was the first we 

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had. 
We had, I cannot remember her 

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name, but an elderly lady that 
was coming at the first service 

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or not the first early portion 
is coming from the nursing home 

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we had that started coming. 
She actually died about a year 

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after she started coming. 
But Dad, he can remember, he can

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remember her name. 
He will, he will. 

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And I remember. 
I could take you to where she 

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lived too, right off of Hughes 
Rd. 

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Hughes Rd. 
Walter, Anna, I don't remember, 

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I think it's Hughes Rd. 
But anyways, if I pass the 

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house, I'll tell you what it 
was. 

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But he would go, and I think he 
has that recorded in his 

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podcast. 
We did, yeah. 

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You mentioned, you mentioned. 
Guy. 

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Yeah, somebody brought her up 
and he went over there to the 

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nursing home and started just 
kind of conversing with her and.

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Yeah, which was good and so, but
she wasn't able to attend 

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services too much, I don't think
at all like she was. 

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She was at a rough spot. 
But he still went and visited 

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her and all and fulfilled, you 
know, like Pastor Lee duties, I 

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guess. 
And it was good they went to to 

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chat with her and talk about 
God, knowing that was cool being

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a part of and seeing a lot of 
that. 

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But yeah, at some point you're 
just praying anybody would like 

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come through the doors. 
And I think the, and this is no 

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knock on anyone. 
If I was visiting a church and 

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it was 5 people and it's just me
with the five people, I'm not 

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staying at that church. 
I'm going to be real with you. 

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So this is no judgement on 
anyone. 

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But it's like we'd have a a few 
people. 

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I remember there were like 
little waves where like, oh, 

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we'd get a group of like 5 and 
then like they would be there 

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maybe 3 weeks. 
And then eventually it was like,

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hey, there's only ten of us, 
we're moving on. 

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And it, it felt like we went 
through three of those where we 

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had little groups that came in, 
lasted a couple weeks Max and 

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then moved on. 
And that that was kind of for me

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at least maybe Cameron's 
perspective is different. 

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It was a little, it was a little
harder because you're like, 

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Dang, man, like you're just 
trying to get people everybody. 

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Yeah, you know, and you get. 
Excited because you think one by

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one person's going to stick and 
then they disappear. 

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I will say the one thing that 
kind of made it different is 

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when we were going, when we 
started the children, like when 

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we started going to the 
children's theater for the using

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it. 
The one thing that did help out 

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as far as that goes is we were, 
we were, we were using the 

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facilities, but we were also 
active daily participants at the

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stuff going on at the children's
theater. 

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So that kind of helped with like
a sense of community because at 

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that time, especially the first 
year or two, we were out there 

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like, and, and we all had, I 
mean, at least from my 

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perspective, like it, it was 
kind of like that missional 

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mindset, which you can only 
attribute to my, to my parents, 

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you know what I mean? 
That was like, Hey, you're there

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and you try to make an impact on
the people around you. 

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Was always like, was always like
from a young age was like, Hey, 

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this is an opportunity when you 
go out there to make an impact 

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and you can do something to grow
our church. 

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So that was that made a big 
like, you know, mindset as far 

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as like as a kid was like, Hey, 
when we go to these children's 

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theatre, these are people who 
are, these are future members of

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our church that we're going 
along with now. 

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I don't know that anybody at 
that, at that children's theatre

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actually did become future 
members. 

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But just that mindset that they 
instilled at a young age is 

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like, man, they it's 
inspirational, you know what I 

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mean? 
That they would, their faith was

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that strong. 
That they could keep their kids 

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faith that strong, you know? 
And I, I can't imagine from 

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their perspective too, but like 
from ours, it, it, they did a 

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great job about instilling that.
And then even just the Kingdom 

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mindset, like it being about 
God, like you're here, you're 

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here for God. 
It's, it's not even our church. 

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It's his church. 
It's the Kingdom. 

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And so I remember conversations 
I had when people would leave, 

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and I know some people went to 
another Apostolic Church in the 

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area that was just a little bit 
more established. 

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And they weren't negative about 
that at all. 

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They were happy, you know, that 
a Bible study had turned into 

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them coming, even if for just a 
couple weeks. 

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And then they got established in
another church that maybe could 

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be their home church. 
That helped me a whole lot as 

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far as a Kingdom mindset, you 
know that like, you know what? 

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They're not coming to our church
in the children's theater as 

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much as we want any living 
person just to hear with us. 

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But they are going to church. 
They're out there being a part 

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of the Kingdom of God. 
Getting brother Penny and sister

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Harville was, was like the first
like sign of life though. 

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We're like, we were just super 
excited, especially like Sister 

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Harville, like just like 
fatefully coming to every 

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service like. 
As much as she could. 

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Awesome to, like, huge impact. 
Yeah. 

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Like, even like, she was a very 
quiet, reserved person. 

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But like her, she was, she 
attended this church for what, 

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20, 20 years, probably straight 
before she moved away to Florida

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with her family. 
But yeah, like just this 

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consistently. 
Like like I said, she was soft 

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spoken elderly lady, but she was
as consistent as you could 

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possibly hope for. 
And even just as a kid, we were 

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just like, you know, our, our 
our grandparents, our family 

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weren't there. 
So like we just got super 

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excited to see * arable and meet
the one other person in the 

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chair. 
She had that. 

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Little like Chevy Cavalier and 
then I remember we would wait 

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out and So what? 
Me and Cameron, we were the 

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greetings squad of the day and 
we would be at the door, man, 

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like just you're sitting at the 
door waiting on go looking at 

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cars pass by like somebody put 
your blinker on and like the 

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worst would be if somebody did 
turn in, but they were just 

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turning around and you're like, 
oh God, so crushing. 

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But every Sunday that that 
little white cavalier pulled up 

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horrible got out. 
You're like, yes, thank God. 

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So I talked about it on one of 
ours, my perspective when we 

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first came, I don't know if you 
guys have, do you remember? 

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I'm just trying to go there. 
I remember. 

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So we had moved. 
We moved here from Saint Louis 

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and I had I had my family in 
Saint Louis. 

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I had friends from school. 
And the church that I remember 

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faintly that we were going to up
there was called Solid Rock. 

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And it was a big church. 
Like I probably am over 

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exaggerating it because I was a 
toddler, but it was a massive 

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church. 
I mean, it was like, I, I think 

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it's still, the building itself 
is probably still there, but you

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know, we come down here and 
there was no church. 

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But it was a struggle for me 
during the move to find any 

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friends because when we started,
I started that, you know, 

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started going to the one school 
was only there for a little bit 

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and then moved to another new 
school. 

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And it was just one of those 
things where like, man, you're 

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the new kid. 
You don't know anybody. 

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You don't know the culture was 
still public schools. 

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So I just, you felt like, man, 
there's nothing. 

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So I think my mom kind of felt 
bad. 

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So that's why she was always 
looking for for it. 

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But yeah, I remember, I remember
going to some of these churches,

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I won't name them, but you know,
they're named after solid 

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objects. 
But I remember as a toddler 

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going to the Sunday school and 
they dropped me off to the 

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Sunday school and mom and dad go
to the sanctuary and I'm used to

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having like Sunday school 
lesson. 

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And they've got like this wall 
of TV's and like Xboxes and like

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Playstations. 
And they're like, oh, you can 

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just play like that's all we're 
doing. 

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This is Sunday school. 
That'll get him. 

449
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,400
And I'm like, I'm confused 
because I'm like, this is this 

450
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040
is church like you're supposed 
to like learn about. 

451
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,360
Learn a little. 
Bit, yeah. 

452
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,360
And then we never went back to 
that one. 

453
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:31,120
But anyways, I remember coming 
home from school on a Thursday 

454
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,360
and mom being like, hey, we're 
going to go to church. 

455
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,680
I want you to go with me. 
And I'm like, OK, well, where 

456
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,440
are we going this time? 
I really don't want to go. 

457
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,240
I just got this new toy And she 
was like, well, this church had 

458
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,520
it's a, it's a small church, but
they've got two young boys that 

459
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,800
are about your age and I think 
you'll get along with them 

460
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,480
really well. 
I think you'll, I think you'll 

461
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,440
get along with them. 
You can take that toy was a 

462
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,600
little basketball hoop thing. 
So you can take the toy with you

463
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,920
and then maybe they'll play with
you, who knows? 

464
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,960
And and we'll just, we'll just 
see how it goes. 

465
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,520
And I'm just kind of like 6-7 
years old. 

466
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,000
You're not really going to have 
a choice in the matter. 

467
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,120
But I was like, you know, if I 
can take my toy, if it's boring,

468
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,000
at least I can play with this. 
She. 

469
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,800
Started off with this is like 
there's like one family, but I 

470
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:25,120
remember walking in and the way 
that the theater was, there was 

471
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,200
like a little tiny room in the 
front and then you would like 

472
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,840
veer left, like you had to go 
around left. 

473
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,360
And that was the the four year, 
which was just like the size of 

474
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:38,400
this little podcast area. 
I remember and it was like a 

475
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,640
maze. 
But anyways, I saw you guys 

476
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,800
coming around and I'm like 
holding this big old thing and 

477
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,560
it was like, Hey, I was like, I 
got this toy you let's play with

478
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,760
this. 
And then I remember we just 

479
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,920
stopped in the foyer and from 
what I can remember, we just 

480
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,760
played with that little hoop 
thing the whole time while the 

481
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,520
parents were in there talking. 
But yeah, I remember that as 

482
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,800
being the first time is ever 
going and I've never gotten 

483
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,600
y'all's perspective of when I 
first started coming. 

484
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,120
Yeah, was it? 
Wasn't it the little shooter? 

485
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,720
Yeah, you put the orange 
basketball in the little 

486
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,760
catapult and if you hit it, it 
went to the other person's side.

487
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,400
Yeah, and I remember you had to 
be the first one to clean out 

488
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,600
your side. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember 

489
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,920
that. 
When you're playing by yourself,

490
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,160
it's not much competition. 
I yeah, I. 

491
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,320
One again 1000 in a row. 
Yeah. 

492
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,960
I mean, I do think you, if in 
Kobe, can correct me. 

493
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,760
I do think you were the first 
kid our age that actually came 

494
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,360
to the church. 
I do think so. 

495
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:42,920
We'd had several adults passed 
pass through, but I do think you

496
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,360
were the first kid that came to 
the. 

497
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,840
Yeah, I'm pretty positive. 
If we, I think we had somebody 

498
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,120
visit someone that had a couple 
kids, but they were a little 

499
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:55,800
older than us and I think that's
the only other like under 

500
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,880
eighteens that we had out of 
that. 

501
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,680
So that that was huge man, like 
vital. 

502
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,440
I mean, part of it was just like
whenever, when you walk through 

503
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,800
the door, it was just like, OK, 
we got to be best friends with 

504
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,320
this dude right here. 
So they'll come back. 

505
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,720
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

506
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,000
You don't have the option of not
liking this. 

507
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,440
Guy. 
You were just like, man, we, we,

508
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,320
yeah, we, we, we got to, we got 
to make this a good experience. 

509
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,600
Yeah, I think that's what's. 
Funny too, though, man, what I 

510
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,840
think it's helped me in adult 
life. 

511
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200
Also. 
Nowadays it's so crazy because 

512
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,800
like you get upset with somebody
and our favorite cut catch 

513
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,640
phrase now is like, oh, you got 
to go no contact or cut them 

514
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,360
off. 
You know, when we were growing 

515
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,920
up, you really didn't have that 
option. 

516
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600
Like, look, sometimes I'm going 
to be mad at Johnny and 

517
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,200
sometimes I'm going to be mad at
Seth, but these are my friends. 

518
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,560
You got to figure it out, you 
know, and I love that I I don't 

519
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,120
think we should be so quick to 
push people away because if you 

520
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,280
ever spend a lot of time with 
people, you're going to have 

521
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,040
disagreements no matter what. 
And I think that that helped, I 

522
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,200
think mold both of us into our 
mentality now that like, yeah, 

523
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,880
you have disagreements and 
sometimes people will get on 

524
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,320
your nerves or whatever. 
And and but you work through 

525
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,840
that regardless that that helped
out well. 

526
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,640
Especially from us because like 
it was like, I mean, we always 

527
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,320
knew it was like, hey, we're 
here for the long run. 

528
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,680
Like there's not like there's 
not really especially that's 

529
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320
that's one thing from coming 
from like the like the church 

530
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,440
planners, kids perspective is 
like you're going to be here. 

531
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,440
Yeah, and. 
This is a, this is, this is at 

532
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,680
least for at least until like, 
you know, later in life, but 

533
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,240
you're going to be here, 
especially coming from six or 

534
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,520
seven years old, you know, you 
knew there's like you need to, 

535
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,400
you need to be a part of the 
solution. 

536
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,080
You know what I mean? 
Like, and that's, that's 

537
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,320
ultimately like, like, like what
we had to, we had to. 

538
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,760
And they always, you know, they,
they taught us how to like I 

539
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,560
would say they, they taught us 
things to do, like as far as 

540
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,520
being welcoming, But I would say
the biggest thing is just 

541
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,680
modelling their behaviour from 
us kind of modelled how they 

542
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,240
treated people. 
And besides that, though, we 

543
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,000
like, like Kobe said, though you
really wanted it, it you really 

544
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,720
wanted to build a community. 
So it was a matter of I want 

545
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
people to want to be a part of 
this. 

546
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,840
So like we yeah, you know, and 
it's not like it wasn't in, it's

547
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,720
not that we were being ingenuous
or disingenuous, you know what I

548
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,200
mean? 
Like it wasn't like that. 

549
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Like we weren't faking as far as
like that. 

550
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,000
It just meant that you put 
forward ether like I'm not just 

551
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,200
like going to like if I missed 
the opportunity for with Johnny 

552
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,920
like they're like he may not be 
next week. 

553
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,640
I may not get another 
opportunity and. 

554
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,440
That's something like my wife. 
And once you have kids and a 

555
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,160
wife and everything, it changes 
a little bit. 

556
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,040
But on Sundays she'll be 
sometimes OK, I'm ready to go. 

557
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,360
Like we, we still have a life 
and everything to do. 

558
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,400
And now we've got a big enough 
church, you know, people are 

559
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,800
talking. 
But like, we kind of grew up in 

560
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,440
that mindset that, bro, every 
Sunday you're talking to 

561
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,240
everybody, you know, you want 
them to at least be seen, you 

562
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,480
know? 
And so I'm still that way. 

563
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,800
I'll talk to everybody. 
Yeah. 

564
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,800
I. 
Wish I was that way. 

565
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,640
I will say I will say that you 
now that you bring it up and I 

566
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,400
tell you know, me and dad talk 
about it all the time and then 

567
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
I'll tell Brooke all the time. 
I'll say, you know, the 

568
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,720
difference between me and you 2 
guys is like you 2 guys are 

569
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,920
willing to talk to literally 
anybody and we'll and you're and

570
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,760
you're good at doing it and I 
would I'll joke on myself all 

571
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760
the time. 
I said you'd think someone who 

572
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,480
was a car salesman for five 
years would be an extrovert and 

573
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,960
would be like willing to go up, 
but I'm like, I'm an introvert. 

574
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,360
So it is very difficult for me. 
And, and like, it's one of those

575
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:26,600
things that I pray about at all 
times. 

576
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,440
Like, God, I just, I'm terrible.
I'm terrible. 

577
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
If I talk to somebody and we get
into conversation, I can get 

578
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,120
along with anybody quick. 
Yeah. 

579
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:39,480
It's just I, I, I lack what you 
guys have, which is that I want 

580
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,040
to go talk to this person that I
have absolutely no idea about 

581
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,480
them and can be super friendly. 
I don't know how to do it like I

582
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,720
had, you had your scripts and 
everything when you're selling 

583
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,280
towards like, oh, this is what 
I'm going to say. 

584
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:50,960
And then you lead them from 
there. 

585
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,360
But I mean, that's one thing 
that I have to commend you guys 

586
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,360
because it's just like that. 
I mean, you could talk to 

587
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,400
literally both of you could talk
to anybody. 

588
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,200
I'll give Cameron more props on 
that too. 

589
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040
I feel like it's natural for me.
I am more that way. 

590
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,880
I feel like Cameron's more 
introverted, that it's not as 

591
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
natural for him and he kind of 
worked on it. 

592
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360
I think he really bought into 
that from the parents. 

593
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Yeah, I mean, that's definitely 
like for me that's a learned 

594
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,720
trait. 
Like I at at my natural, at my 

595
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,120
natural pace. 
And especially like whenever I 

596
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,760
at the end of the day is a lot 
like I'm just like where I'm 

597
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,920
like, I just need my like my, my
quiet time, you know what I 

598
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,920
mean? 
But. 

599
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,680
It's when you got a double call 
them. 

600
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,040
I knew that hit them with the 
old double call. 

601
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,040
They're can't ignore me twice 
and people tell me I'm a 

602
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
terrible texter, but there are 
times where I intentionally 

603
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,160
leave my phone in the other room
where I just like I, I just 

604
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,080
don't. 
I like, I don't care what hits 

605
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,720
right now. 
Like I'll be, I'll see it later,

606
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,000
you know? 
What it is I know about you, 

607
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,520
It's like I I know if I text you
it's a 5050 shot if I'm going to

608
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,000
get a reply. 
So it's like if it's something 

609
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,280
that I need like if it's 
important like I got a call 

610
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200
yeah. 
Because I do feel like if I call

611
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,760
you and you're like oh he's 
calling me. 

612
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,080
It's got to be important yes. 
Then I'll get a reply. 

613
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,040
It's the same for both of y'all.
I'm going to be straight. 

614
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880
I'm like, because even with 
Colby, it's like if I text 

615
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Colby, I'll get a reply like 
within 48 hours. 

616
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,840
Yeah, that's like. 
ADHD. 

617
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,040
But if I call him, he'll pick it
up and be like, hey, what do you

618
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:19,680
need? 
Yeah. 

619
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,640
So it's like you got to learn 
that bit there. 

620
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
I'm definitely a caller over a 
texter. 

621
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,520
I will look at a text, 
especially if I'm in the middle 

622
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,800
of something. 
This is what gets me. 

623
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,840
I'll look at the text and 
acknowledge it in my head, but 

624
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360
as soon as I put my phone down 
I'm back to what I did and I 

625
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,840
forget that I ever got a text. 
Some notifications are gone. 

626
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,840
Yeah, and like I said, it was 
especially for me as far as over

627
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,720
as far as like getting that, you
know, my it come and, you know, 

628
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120
just giving them props. 
But it's it's it's genuine. 

629
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Like the teachings they gave us.
I mean, it was like you're here 

630
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,560
for a purpose. 
Like you're here. 

631
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,520
You were born into this family 
for a reason. 

632
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,560
Like I didn't accidentally drop 
you in here for us. 

633
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,880
So like you feel lonely right 
now, but God, God gave you 

634
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,120
abilities and skills that he 
wanted to be used for his 

635
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,800
Kingdom right here at this 
place. 

636
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,760
And so that was for me was like,
you know, you, you, you, you 

637
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,800
either get busy working or you 
get busy resenting basically 

638
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640
like, and that's where a lot of 
people that's big, you know, 

639
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,800
like a lot of pastors, kids will
fail. 

640
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Is that like, and that's not, 
I'm not judging here, but a lot 

641
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,880
of people get resentful at the 
life they've been doing because 

642
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,760
they don't buy into the idea 
that God has a purpose for them.

643
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,720
And it's hard because, and I, I 
would say like early on didn't 

644
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,600
ever feel that way. 
I don't know if Cameron ever 

645
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,640
went through that way. 
But obviously in my life, I went

646
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280
through a stack where like you 
say that, oh, you have a purpose

647
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,640
and all, but you're, you know, 
6-7 years old. 

648
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,040
I was 8-9 and they didn't steal 
that and that was good and it 

649
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,800
lasted for a long time for me. 
But then like once I got later 

650
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,680
into teenage years, which we'll 
touch on later, it did feel like

651
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,280
a burden almost. 
And it's easy and I can see I, 

652
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,680
I, I extend a lot of grace to 
pastor's kids who have been in 

653
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,000
that situation and then don't 
necessarily meet expectations 

654
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200
because at the end of the day, 
you're still, I wasn't the 

655
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200
decision maker that said, OK, 
we're going here. 

656
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,520
And that's what I think a lot of
pastor kids struggle with. 

657
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,840
They didn't feel like they were 
on top of the mount talking to 

658
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,160
God, that they're following 
suit. 

659
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,880
And it's hard, you know? 
I mean that that's not me. 

660
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,160
I, I, I give grace. 
I mean, I'm a, I'm a grace. 

661
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,800
I'm a grace guy. 
I don't, I don't believe me. 

662
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,240
I I think part of that comes 
from once again, though, is like

663
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,480
when you understand purpose, 
when you'd like truly understand

664
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,960
purpose, grace becomes easy 
because we can mess up along the

665
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,600
way. 
Like, and that's even comes from

666
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,680
my parents, like my parents, 
like if we made mistakes or we 

667
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,920
acted out was like it was always
because we could do better and 

668
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,560
they knew we could do better. 
It wouldn't come from a bringing

669
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,280
the hammer down on that. 
You know I'm trying. 

670
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,880
That was the worst. 
They they trained us in such a 

671
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,280
way and it's one of the best 
modeling of parenting and I hate

672
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,680
it. 
But they did a great job. 

673
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,280
We're like, when you mess up, 
they don't even have to be hard 

674
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,240
on you necessarily. 
You feel bad because you feel 

675
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,120
like you let not just them down,
but you kind of let yourself 

676
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,040
down. 
And they did a great job of 

677
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,840
that. 
It kept us in line pretty well. 

678
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,840
I will say from an outsider's 
perspective, for for pastors and

679
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,200
for pastors, kids that a lot of 
people forget is like, y'all are

680
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,440
still human. 
I mean, you're you're, you're 

681
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,680
just because you take this life 
on people just assume 

682
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,280
immediately, not only the 
pastor, but the whole family has

683
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,360
to be 110% perfect. 
So you get scrutinized a lot 

684
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,040
heavier than what anybody else 
would. 

685
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920
I think that's AI think that a 
lot of people forget, you know 

686
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,560
what I mean? 
You're still you're still human.

687
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,280
You're still going to go through
teenage challenges and and and 

688
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,960
we all messed up. 
But you just run under a 

689
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,040
microscope just the way that it 
is. 

690
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Unfortunately, yeah. 
It's, it's a road for sure and 

691
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,280
it, it can be difficult. 
I didn't really struggle with it

692
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,000
at all until I got later into to
the teenage years more, you 

693
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,880
know? 
I'd say that, and I think part 

694
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,400
of that just comes from from AI.
Do I truly believe like the you 

695
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,280
kind of we kind of shape our own
perspective when we see things 

696
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,280
like we really do. 
Like there's a certain aspect of

697
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,199
like is like, and even that like
you're saying like going under a

698
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,639
microscope and like people may 
feel like that, like, but like I

699
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,360
never felt like our at least our
parents never made it feel like 

700
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,080
I was like, oh, every single 
aspect of your life is is under 

701
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,560
a microscope necessarily. 
It was it was more for us that 

702
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,520
they were like, like I said, 
they, they, they, they just told

703
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,120
us that, that, that we were 
meant to to do something. 

704
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,560
You know what I mean? 
Like it, it came from not, not 

705
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,800
from, not from your 
disappointing Johnny this week, 

706
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,840
like they didn't come from, Hey,
you really upset Johnny this 

707
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,360
week, But you know, God wants 
you to be something. 

708
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480
You know what I mean? 
Like, and that's not to say like

709
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,240
that ideal is there for every 
Christian out there. 

710
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,560
You know what I mean? 
That's that, that kind of thing 

711
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,280
didn't. 
And I, I do understand 

712
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,920
especially like that. 
There's especially like, like 

713
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
you said, though, we, we made 
mistakes, plenty of mistakes. 

714
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,400
I mean, we, we, we said things 
so they would get on to us or 

715
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,800
we'd sometimes we'd be mean to 
you, John and our parents were 

716
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,360
like, don't you do that? 
They'll leave the church. 

717
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,760
I will say I don't remember that
I don't remember. 

718
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,720
That, I just guess, probably 
didn't. 

719
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:25,400
Do that. 
It wasn't me. 

720
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,360
But no, no, no, it wasn't like 
that. 

721
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,440
But there are times are like we,
you know, we would bicker, we 

722
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,960
would fight in the church. 
And there are things that's 

723
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,640
like, you know, like that, that 
maybe other people would say, 

724
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,560
like you would feel like your 
life is under a microscope. 

725
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,680
But like I said, I never felt 
like that. 

726
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,040
They were pretty. 
They were grace. 

727
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,320
They were graceful, you know. 
Our parents, yes, and we won't. 

728
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,400
We don't even have to divulge on
that. 

729
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,480
They did a great job with that. 
I think they may have been 

730
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,360
exposed to different situations 
with different pastors kids in 

731
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,000
the past. 
And they made a decision on how 

732
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000
they wanted to raise us. 
And they did give us grace. 

733
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,200
They allowed us to still be 
humans, little humans that are 

734
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,120
turning into adults. 
And that that whole process it, 

735
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,480
it's difficult. 
You know, you as a parent now, I

736
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
mean, you've got a little one, 
but shoot, when he gets my kids 

737
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,320
age, he's going to have a mouth 
on them and you're going to want

738
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,960
to pop them, you know? 
And I'm sure my parents, 

739
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,680
especially when I reached like 
12, were pretty sick and tired 

740
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
of me. 
When I look back, I'm like, man,

741
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,160
I would have hated parenting me.
God forbid that happens with my 

742
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,240
boys, but. 
So before we move on a little 

743
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,840
bit further, I want to make it a
little more light hearted here 

744
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,320
If you I got some. 
I remember a few things from the

745
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,040
theater and I think it's cool to
talk about this because I, it 

746
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,160
brings up more memories, But 
man, like, I remember, man, we 

747
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,160
were the original Sunday school 
squad. 

748
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,760
Oh, yeah. 
And like, I remember when mom 

749
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,800
would pull us back there and, 
you know, she would do like, 

750
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,640
there was one where she made 
like pancakes. 

751
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,800
We made pancakes. 
And then there was, I remember, 

752
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,440
I still remember one of the 
Sunday schools where we had like

753
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,320
a bunch of Pixie sticks. 
And that was the thing. 

754
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,240
We were like making art with 
Pixie sticks and I didn't know 

755
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,000
what to do. 
And Colby was like, you put a 

756
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,360
bunch of yellow and purple in 
there, dude, LSU go Tigers, 

757
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,120
right? 
And I'm like, what are the type?

758
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,600
What? 
Colby made it his mission. 

759
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,320
I'll never forget he made it his
mission. 

760
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,280
He was like, you're going to be 
an LSU fan. 

761
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,480
You don't even know what this 
is. 

762
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,040
I failed at it, but I gave it my
best effort, son. 

763
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,840
Yeah, I mean, I'm still. 
Working on it. 

764
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,680
I I remember the first Christmas
play we put on together and it 

765
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,360
was the. 
Three of the gifts. 

766
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,120
And Aunt Nicole, your Aunt 
Nicole was there too. 

767
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,560
And yeah, it was the Christmas 
gifts. 

768
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,520
We had the little boxes on each 
other. 

769
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,160
And like I said, I don't know 
how many members we had at the 

770
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,440
time. 
Probably like 15, I guess total 

771
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,000
1520 ish. 
But yeah, it was just us out 

772
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,640
there in those little boxes. 
But hey, I mean, it was like, 

773
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,080
good. 
Yeah, that was good. 

774
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,520
We were great actors. 
We've been great actors for 

775
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,200
years. 
Now the I that's the kind of 

776
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,160
thing though, that was like, and
that's the thing where I always 

777
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,480
give my once again, give give my
parents credit for this is that 

778
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,560
was like no matter how many 
people were there, no matter, no

779
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,320
matter who was in the audience 
or or or who wasn't in the 

780
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
audience. 
Like as far as like, and I said,

781
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,800
isn't the congregation, you know
what I mean? 

782
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,240
I'm not saying like that like 
it's a show, but in the same way

783
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,640
as like some people would, some 
people would be, some people 

784
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,560
would be really discouraged 
whenever nobody was like there 

785
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,240
was no members in the church at 
that point, But they always put 

786
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:34,160
on a surface like they always 
put on a surface. 

787
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,000
Like even like we sitting there 
with just before predating you 

788
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,720
and predating the other members 
we still had services on. 

789
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,880
Because then dad would always 
say he's preaching to angels 

790
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,840
unaware, like he would just keep
doing it. 

791
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,000
So I mean, that was like that 
was one of those. 

792
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Things he did use that line a 
whole lot. 

793
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,960
And that was like a faithful. 
I think, yeah, I think that 

794
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,000
faithfulness from him, I, I 
think that is a lot of what led 

795
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,000
here. 
I mean, the man hasn't changed. 

796
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,560
He may have gotten better at 
preaching over time, you know, 

797
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:07,960
but he gave the same effort to 
no one, just his family sitting 

798
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,040
out in the congregation that he 
does on Sundays now. 

799
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,680
And that's not saying he doesn't
give effort now. 

800
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,120
He just gave a lot of effort 
when there was no one there. 

801
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,840
And which would be hard to do 
man I. 

802
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,120
Could I? 
Could man? 

803
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,280
I would have been like, all 
right, guys, well, I guess 

804
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,000
nobody's here. 
We'll just hang out until 

805
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,480
someone shows up then. 
It's literally the best analogy 

806
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,000
I have is, is Noah building an 
ark for all that time with 

807
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:37,800
nothing, nothing to go on? 
And he was kind of doing that. 

808
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,440
He was building an ark. 
You know that just preaching to 

809
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,280
everybody saying, hey, floods 
coming and whatnot. 

810
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,040
And we're like, hey, dude, I 
don't know if you like those. 

811
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,080
There's a rough rain, sun. 
But you know what's funny is my 

812
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,440
perspective on that time, I 
never, of course, I was still I 

813
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,760
was a Todd, but I never looked 
at it like, Oh, we're going to 

814
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,680
grow or anything. 
I tell you, when I was a kid, at

815
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,680
that point in time, having 
another family that I felt like 

816
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,360
was close to my family was like 
all I cared for didn't care. 

817
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,280
Like if we would have been just 
a ten of us forever, like I 

818
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,200
would have eventually realized 
what was happening. 

819
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,040
But at the time I was totally 
fine with like I'm not a kid 

820
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,040
because we, I feel like our 
family's really just. 

821
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,800
Bonded very quickly, was 
probably forced on both sides. 

822
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,640
But like I remember man it for a
while there every Sunday it was 

823
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,240
like, hey, we're going to go to 
what was it called Casablanca? 

824
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,320
No, it was king, Buffet, King, 
Buffet king. 

825
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,000
Buffet, my favorite survivor. 
It was King Buffet every single 

826
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,440
Sunday until I think someone got
sick and then it was like, yeah,

827
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,760
we probably should pick another 
place. 

828
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,280
It was still my favorite. 
Yeah, but he threw up in the in 

829
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,720
the walkway, if you remember. 
Yeah, I just remember somebody 

830
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,280
getting sick and we just, we 
never. 

831
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,320
We got to stop. 
They probably didn't let us in. 

832
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,040
They probably saw him walking. 
No. 

833
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,600
They went out of business after 
that, so they were fairly 

834
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,520
dependent on us. 
I. 

835
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,360
Remember, man, I remember, I 
remember, you know, y'all would 

836
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,560
come over to our my house and 
then I would go over to y'all's 

837
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,520
house and play football and Star
Wars and the whole. 

838
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Oh yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

839
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,440
So it was, I will say for me at 
that time, it was like, man, I 

840
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,240
just, I because that's how it 
was in Saint Louis. 

841
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,560
I just had my cousins mainly. 
Like I had friends at school, 

842
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,040
but it was my cousins that I was
with. 

843
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,240
Yeah, after school every 
weekend. 

844
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,600
So it was like, OK, I have my 
cousin's back. 

845
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,920
That's why that was my mindset. 
Then I was like, hey, I got my 

846
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,960
cousin's back. 
I got people that like, I got 

847
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,640
friends. 
Now it's like I have my family 

848
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,600
back that I lost when I moved 
down here. 

849
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,760
So that was my mindset of it. 
I mean, I, I remember it with 

850
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,800
the theater going out in the 
front because there was a little

851
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
area of yard in front of the 
church, like in the parking lot.

852
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,960
And then they had the yard where
y'all would have the sign and 

853
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,400
then it would be like, let's 
just throw the football and see 

854
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,880
what happens. 
Yeah. 

855
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Oh, I forgot about that. 
Yeah. 

856
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,440
That that was one part I don't 
want to glaze over. 

857
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,200
And all is like they it was a 
traveling roadshow every week 

858
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,480
when in the early days, because 
we were just renting the theater

859
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,480
and renting it for one day a 
week, it was still operational 

860
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,640
the rest of the week. 
And so I remember we had the 

861
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,160
minivan lay a seat down, put a 
piano in there, all the the the 

862
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,600
amp and everything, put a 
podium, the one of those little 

863
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,280
stand up quick QikLink. 
Yeah, yeah, basically. 

864
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,080
And then the sign, I forgot that
they would take out the sign 

865
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,280
every single week. 
Take it. 

866
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,200
Right there and then have to 
pick it up and go because 

867
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
whenever we would go to lunch, 
we'd have to, you know, my, my, 

868
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
we were basically waiting for 
you guys to pack everything up 

869
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,240
before we would leave out to, to
go wherever the place would be 

870
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,240
that we would go. 
That was cool too though, 

871
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,400
because like the sign, I 
remember it got to a place where

872
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,160
that would do steaks. 
We would do the sign, we we 

873
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,680
would bungee cord it up and 
everything. 

874
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,440
And then with the piano got to a
point where me and Cameron were 

875
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920
carrying the piano. 
That thing was heavy too for 

876
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,040
little dudes, but they let us do
that and I said they let us do 

877
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,040
it. 
Not enforced child labor because

878
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,440
it really did give us a little 
bit of buy in. 

879
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,880
We're like, hey, we're 
instrumental to this. 

880
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Like we got to go put this sign 
up, We got to go put this piano 

881
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,400
up or we. 
Being included 100% was why we 

882
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,520
had buy into it and and why we 
were, why we were like trying to

883
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,120
be the best greeters we could be
the best welcomers. 

884
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,520
You know what I'm saying? 
Like, for so long as I think we 

885
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,040
probably were the church 
greeters for 10 years. 

886
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,000
I guess you know what I mean as 
far as that goes. 

887
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,840
Handing out peppermint fish. 
Yeah, like all the time. 

888
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,560
But yeah, I mean, that was like,
is that mindset really that buy 

889
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,400
in? 
But during that time especially 

890
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,560
though, no, it was great. 
Like our families and going to 

891
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,320
hang out with you was great, 
'cause it's like, oh, we have 

892
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,440
somewhere else to go besides 
just our house, you know what I 

893
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,600
mean? 
And it would stay too. 

894
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Because like you said, with 
Cousins, I think that kind of it

895
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,720
hit home for me too, because 
even up in Oklahoma, we were far

896
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,080
removed from our family. 
We didn't really have family in 

897
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,960
any proximity. 
It was 10 hours away from 

898
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Louisiana, Mississippi, and then
come and visit and everything. 

899
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,640
But we had Nikki and Jared and 
they didn't have kids yet. 

900
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,880
So they were aunt and uncle and 
they would take us out and that 

901
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000
was all cool. 
But as far as other kids, there 

902
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
wasn't people in Oklahoma that 
we were really close to that I 

903
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,200
remember we didn't have like a 
best friend. 

904
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,240
We had a bunch of like, not 
acquaintances, but people you 

905
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,360
knew, went to church, went to 
school, whatever. 

906
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,840
You'd hang out, but we weren't 
super tight. 

907
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,920
And then we got you. 
That was instrumental even in 

908
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,800
just our personal life. 
I feel like because now you got 

909
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,120
somebody. 
You got somebody to go to other 

910
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,640
than just your brother. 
I know I. 

911
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,760
Think that's a God. 
I mean you look back at like how

912
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,040
how how God God sent that. 
I mean, it was like, you know, 

913
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,560
since most sister horrible moved
here, where Penny moved here, 

914
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,400
you know, and then your family 
moved here and it was like these

915
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,280
weren't people that necessarily 
were like converted, but they 

916
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,360
were people that that we needed 
in our lives and God really 

917
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,560
provided a way for us because 
that's like the encouragement. 

918
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,360
Like if y'all, if y'all, if 
y'all hadn't been there, then we

919
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,280
might not have. 
Like that was the point where, 

920
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,880
where where growth started from 
there, you know, and then the 

921
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,800
Wilson family had come in, you 
know what I mean? 

922
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,640
That was like, like, that's 
where the like the growth in the

923
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,200
launching point really was 
during those days. 

924
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,280
And, you know, I mean, I always,
I, I, I can never remember not 

925
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,720
wanting the church to grow as 
far as that. 

926
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,160
Like I never remember a portion 
of my life where that wasn't 

927
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,760
like, you know, and I think 
like, so once again, it comes 

928
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,640
back to the to the parents 
instilling that into the. 

929
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,440
Well, you knew. 
You knew what the mission was. 

930
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,200
Yeah. 
For me, I didn't know what that 

931
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,720
was. 
I had no idea. 

932
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,600
Like it was never really 
explained to me. 

933
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,360
And even if it was, I wouldn't 
have understood it. 

934
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,520
Like this is a a home mission. 
I was like, all I thought of it 

935
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,120
was this is church. 
Yeah. 

936
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,080
This is this is just it. 
This is what we. 

937
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,360
This is Alabama. 
Like you don't have big, you 

938
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,560
don't have big buildings in the 
whole mind. 

939
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,960
This is the best we got. 
And we got and I was like, I 

940
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,440
hey, but I was happy with it, 
you know, I was like, yeah, this

941
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,040
is fine. 
You know, I've got contentment. 

942
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,280
It was actually kind of cool 
because because you didn't have 

943
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,960
150 people. 
Oh yeah. 

944
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,840
The people that were there, you,
you, you got close to. 

945
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Oh yeah, yeah. 
I felt like we got close quick, 

946
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,400
yes, in that, in that time 
frame. 

947
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,520
So it was like it to me, it was 
like it was beneficial and I 

948
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,320
didn't, I didn't need as a kid, 
obviously I was just a kid, but 

949
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,840
I didn't need 150 other kids. 
You know, it wasn't about that. 

950
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,560
It was just I just wanted that, 
that handful that was like, hey,

951
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,040
these are the, these are my 
boys. 

952
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Like because that's what it was 
for me in Saint Louis. 

953
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,000
I had my boys, it's what I 
called my cousins, literally the

954
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,960
boys. 
And I just wanted that back. 

955
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,600
So that's what it was for me. 
It was once I got it, I was 

956
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,360
like, I don't know what a whole 
mission is, but I got what I 

957
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,520
want so. 
Which which is great too, 

958
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,640
because I feel like that that 
was their their purpose when 

959
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,360
they talk about family church 
too. 

960
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,840
It's not necessarily oh, people 
that are here and and whatever, 

961
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,720
having families and all that, 
but that aspect of belonging, 

962
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,280
you know, and I think they they 
crushed that early on, on the 

963
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,280
mindset because those early days
between the theater and Castle 

964
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,040
Dr. when it was small, small, 
that was very close knit man. 

965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:06,040
And the, our parents, they did 
really good at it seemed like we

966
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,080
were always doing church stuff. 
They were, they were seriously 

967
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,960
always in it. 
Now they're still doing it in 

968
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,320
different, different aspects, 
but we would have small group 

969
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,240
Bible studies at least once a 
week it seemed, you know, 

970
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,760
getting people together, hanging
out afterwards and all. 

971
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,520
And that built such a feeling of
community. 

972
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,440
Well, that's and that goes back 
to what I was talking about 

973
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,360
before. 
Isn't like just just because it 

974
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,680
wasn't just about them doing 
service right, but it was truly 

975
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,280
like a lesson I learned from 
them was just like, I can't, I 

976
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,560
can't live my life for what I'm 
seeing right here, right now. 

977
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,560
I need to build. 
I need to, I need to live my 

978
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,840
life for what I want it to be. 
You know what I mean? 

979
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,760
And that's the same way with the
church was like, I want this 

980
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,760
church to be a caring church, a 
family church. 

981
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,440
And so like from the get go, if 
you just, if you're doing that 

982
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,960
with every single person who 
comes in the door, that's why 

983
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,520
our church was so tight knit. 
Like as it grew, like even even 

984
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,240
whenever we got up to the 80s 
and the 90s, most people who 

985
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,960
were in the church that time 
would say this was a really 

986
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,080
close church. 
Like everybody basically like 

987
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,960
the family just got bigger, you 
know, And that's like if you do 

988
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,240
that mindset from the get go, if
that's how you build your 

989
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,880
church, like like like, well, 
that's like if we're all tight 

990
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,960
together and we include other 
people into that, well, there's 

991
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,480
not a point where like we where,
where, where people are feeling 

992
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,320
left out and like disillusioned,
you know what I mean? 

993
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,400
And I think that's been skipping
ahead. 

994
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,240
I'm I'm not, we can go back and 
talk about the past two, but 

995
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:35,080
looking at it now too, I love 
that you see a little bit of 

996
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,280
that evolution and there's 
probably a lot no church perfect

997
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,040
by any means. 
Lifegate isn't doing everything 

998
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,080
perfect. 
You know, there's stuff to 

999
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,840
improve on always, but I do like
the aspect that, like you said, 

1000
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,680
you've got people who have since
moved here in in this 

1001
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,240
congregation, in this building 
now that still kind of have that

1002
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,000
mindset. 
You know, we reach out. 

1003
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,560
It's a Community Church. 
You're building relationships 

1004
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,320
with people as you're building 
your relationship with Christ, 

1005
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,400
and that just strengthens the 
whole congregation. 

1006
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,560
And I love seeing that. 
I love seeing people that have 

1007
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,400
been here just in this church 
that are hosting events and 

1008
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,240
really getting out there and 
still involving people in our 

1009
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,720
community and that hopefully 
people are feeling that way that

1010
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:19,280
we felt when it was the three of
us in a Sunday school class with

1011
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,520
your mom drawn with Pixie 
sticks, you know? 

1012
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,360
And I, I don't think that's my, 
I don't think church should ever

1013
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,480
feel different than that feeling
that we all felt at the 

1014
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,160
beginning was that like, we're 
in this together, Like, you know

1015
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,600
what I mean? 
Like, no matter what, even if 

1016
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,440
it's just the ten of us, like 
you said, that would be OK 

1017
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,000
because we're doing what we're 
supposed. 

1018
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Like, you know what I mean? 
Like, this is what it's supposed

1019
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,560
to be. 
Like. 

1020
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,560
It's supposed to be a family. 
Yeah. 

1021
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,320
So yeah, I remember, I remember,
I don't remember moving to 

1022
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,840
Castle Drive, but it's like, 
it's like there's a blank in my 

1023
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,440
memory. 
But I remember just the building

1024
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,440
and I remember when we first 
started going to the building 

1025
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,440
and how weird it was just from 
where we were used to. 

1026
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,880
I remember man, walking in that 
building and being like, man, 

1027
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,760
this, there's like a death 
stairs to get to the basement. 

1028
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,560
Like I have those stairs were so
steep. 

1029
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,320
I was like, I feel like I'm 
going to trip down these stairs 

1030
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,240
and break my neck. 
And there's, you know, they had 

1031
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,320
all that room down there. 
And then, you know, just the way

1032
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,280
that the upstairs was just, it 
just was so different, you know 

1033
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,840
what I mean, compared to what we
were used to. 

1034
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Like I remember, I remember that
aspect, but that was also, I 

1035
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,560
mean, that was the building 
where I feel like there was a 

1036
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,840
lot of growth. 
There was some growing pains 

1037
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,920
that I won't get into, but there
was definitely. 

1038
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,240
So I think that was that was 
probably where you had the most 

1039
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:41,480
growing pains was in that 
building, but also the most 

1040
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,960
growth because I remember, man, 
I still remember. 

1041
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,920
That was where Cole, we first 
started playing the drums. 

1042
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,720
Yeah, that came out of the blue.
I remember from me as a kid, I 

1043
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,720
was like, whoa, you play the 
drums. 

1044
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,120
It was for me too. 
Whoa, I play the drums. 

1045
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,080
You know, we started, I remember
we started having like at that 

1046
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,080
time we called it quote, UN 
quote youth, but it was still 

1047
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,360
Sunday school age down in the 
basement during the day. 

1048
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Yeah, you know, it's that's when
you first started feeling like, 

1049
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,360
hey, you know, there's some 
growth here. 

1050
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Obviously I, you know, I that 
one that that building's a lot 

1051
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,760
more of a blur to me. 
All I can much more bring out of

1052
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,240
that was just my Horror Story of
still have the scar on my knee 

1053
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,120
from splitting it open in the on
the Halloween. 

1054
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,680
We had a Halloween, our first, I
guess, trunk or treat. 

1055
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,600
I just set up little tables in 
the in the basement or something

1056
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,840
and we just ended up playing 
football out behind the building

1057
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,080
and I and, and Colby hit you. 
You didn't tackle me, but you, 

1058
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,520
you 2. 
It was two hand touch and you 

1059
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,800
hit me pretty good. 
And I just tripped because 

1060
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,320
obviously I was not that 
coordinated. 

1061
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,680
And I, it's like there's a 
breeze on my knee. 

1062
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,680
I'm looking at. 
I'm like, oh, there's a lot of 

1063
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,840
red there. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1064
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,040
I, I had some mishaps. 
I, I remember that day. 

1065
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,600
I also, I think it was, I don't 
think it was that year, but it 

1066
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,760
was also, I think it was a 
Halloween day too. 

1067
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,400
We were having a fall festival 
or something like that. 

1068
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,080
I cut my finger to the bone on a
chili. 

1069
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,520
Can that like I still have a 
scar to this day on like 

1070
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,800
dangerous mishaps? 
Literal, physical, growing 

1071
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,320
things in that church. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1072
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,440
But yeah, I mean, it was it's it
it's it was, it was definitely 

1073
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,560
encouraging when we got to that 
building because that was the 

1074
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,400
first one that felt like when we
moved from the children's 

1075
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,280
theater felt like, like at the 
time was like, Oh yeah, we're 

1076
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,080
going to get somewhere. 
But it is encourage. 

1077
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,520
There was encouragement during 
that portion. 

1078
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,720
But the Castle Dr. was when it 
was like, oh, this feels like a 

1079
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,400
like a like a church church now,
you know what I mean? 

1080
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,200
And. 
Like, yeah, and not Even so much

1081
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,840
as the building, but just the 
simple fact that like when you 

1082
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,680
leave on Sunday and you lock up,
you don't have to move anything.

1083
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,480
You. 
Don't have to move, it's. 

1084
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,080
Just yours, it's there. 
You know, you've got it, your 

1085
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,880
space. 
Yeah, that was nice. 

1086
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,480
And that was that was different 
in the the, for us, I think side

1087
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,200
of it because of that it to me 
in the children's theater, it 

1088
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,080
wasn't ever that like, oh, do we
could just always pack up and 

1089
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,480
leave. 
That wasn't in the mind because 

1090
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,640
dad just didn't have a Plan B, 
You know, it was the burn the 

1091
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,360
ship's motto. 
Like we were here locked in. 

1092
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,320
But for me, when we got Castle 
Dr. it did feel like, OK, we've 

1093
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,240
planted a flag now. 
Like we're no longer just on the

1094
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:22,600
beach. 
This is serious. 

1095
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,400
We're making. 
Yeah, making some headway. 

1096
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,560
And so that was that was a 
different feeling. 

1097
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,080
And I think for us too, because 
we also got media during that 

1098
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,160
time too, like, yeah, media we 
got music like more than just a 

1099
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,000
projector, more than just the 
piano for music. 

1100
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,760
Like, yeah, there was a lot of 
yeah, a lot of different changes

1101
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,280
made it more like, OK, OK, this 
is this is trending in a way. 

1102
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,320
And then I still think the the 
mindset didn't change. 

1103
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,000
Still high on the community and 
all. 

1104
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,720
We were still the greeting squad
for a long, long time there. 

1105
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,080
Yeah, it it was a different 
feeling, though. 

1106
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,480
They're like, OK, we're locked 
in. 

1107
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840
We're in Alabama. 
And I think for us on a personal

1108
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,680
level that we moved around a 
lot. 

1109
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,360
It felt like because, you know, 
in in kids time, a week is like 

1110
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,760
a month. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1111
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,880
Like you remember how waiting 
for Christmas back in the day 

1112
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,840
was forever. 
And now I'm like, Oh my God, we 

1113
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,760
only got 40 days till Christmas.
Yeah. 

1114
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,680
It just sneaks up on you when 
you get older. 

1115
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,600
But it felt like from the time 
we left Oklahoma, went to 

1116
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,240
Louisiana, travelled around a 
lot, that we were just in limbo.

1117
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,760
And even when we got to Alabama,
we were in an apartment at the 

1118
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,040
time. 
So I think around that time, 

1119
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,400
maybe before Castle Dr. it was 
definitely before Castle Drive, 

1120
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,280
but I don't remember when we got
a house and we got the house out

1121
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,920
in Harvest. 
And that was another pinnacle 

1122
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,760
moment where it's like, OK, 
we're here. 

1123
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,760
You know you. 
Had the house. 

1124
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,600
You had the house when we 
started coming. 

1125
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,600
I will say that because I don't 
remember. 

1126
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,280
You had it while we were at 
Children's Theatre. 

1127
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,040
I know that because I remember 
the house and I remember the 

1128
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,400
backyard. 
I remember the way it was all 

1129
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,120
set up because when I went over 
there, you know, it wasn't a, it

1130
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,480
wasn't, I mean, my house that I 
was in wasn't big either. 

1131
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,160
So it was like it wasn't a big 
one or anything. 

1132
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,560
But I'm, you know, we played, 
you had to let you know, games 

1133
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,280
and you had the trampoline in 
the backyard, I think. 

1134
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,480
Trampoline that death trap. 
And then you know, you, but you 

1135
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,520
had like an open. 
It was like it was probably and 

1136
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,520
again, in my brain it looked 
like it was like 30 yards of 

1137
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,560
space where we would play 
football on the. 

1138
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,360
On the corner, on, on, on the 
side, yeah. 

1139
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause you had
that neighbor friend who would 

1140
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:31,880
come over and it would be two on
two. 

1141
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,840
Yeah. 
And it never made any sense 

1142
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,080
because it was like it was 
always me and Cameron on the 

1143
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,800
same team. 
Because Kobe's a jerk. 

1144
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,840
Whoa, hey, you know what's 
funny? 

1145
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,200
I was dealing that with that 
today with some of our kids. 

1146
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,920
All the oldest children were on 
one team and the younger ones 

1147
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,800
were on another. 
I'm like, you guys are such 

1148
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,320
jerks. 
I would never do that. 

1149
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,640
You did that. 
You did. 

1150
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,240
That John's my witness. 
Because I want to say. 

1151
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,920
And I never got into sports 
until like I was a mid teenager.

1152
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,720
Yeah, that was the other thing. 
Like I hated. 

1153
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,720
Sport Colby took it so seriously
and me and Cam just did not 

1154
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:06,680
care. 
I think it was because there's 

1155
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,040
probably, I think the reason why
I didn't like sports at the time

1156
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,040
was because there was such a 
physical difference between 

1157
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,720
where Colby was at and where I 
was at. 

1158
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,480
There's just no point. 
Like I, I get so mad. 

1159
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,280
There was just no point you. 
Didn't get mad, yeah. 

1160
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,160
I I had God had to work on my 
temper for a while. 

1161
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Me, Me and you. 
I feel like we were kind of more

1162
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,120
like on the geeky side because I
remember we were like in the 

1163
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,560
Star Wars. 
Oh, yeah, Yeah. 

1164
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,000
Hey. 
We loved all the. 

1165
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,240
PC game stuff, yeah. 
Bunch of Legos and all. 

1166
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,920
It was cool though growing up 
because I felt like we were 

1167
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,360
outside or playing most of the 
day until the sun went down. 

1168
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,360
You know, we weren't just on 
iPads or video games or whatnot.

1169
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,960
And I still. 
Remember the first time I ever 

1170
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,440
spent the night at y'all's house
there? 

1171
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,160
Yeah. 
And it freaked me out because 

1172
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,600
I've grown up my whole life with
a fan. 

1173
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,200
I've never not had noise when I 
sleep. 

1174
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,440
So if it's silent, I can't 
sleep. 

1175
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,560
And when I went to y'all's house
for the first time, y'all have 

1176
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,800
bunk beds and I was on the 
bottom bunk and when the lights 

1177
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,840
went out, dude, that house was 
so quiet. 

1178
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,760
I was like, I had an, I remember
I had an anxiety attack. 

1179
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,080
So I was like, it's just so 
silent. 

1180
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,880
I can't sleep. 
And so y'all were like, dude, 

1181
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,200
like, like you're still, you 
know, I don't forget how it 

1182
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,960
happened, but I remember your, 
your parents had to go find a, 

1183
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,600
you had a tower fan or something
that they brought in there just 

1184
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,200
so that I could like not have a 
panic attack because it was just

1185
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,640
so quiet. 
I mean, that freak I, I'll never

1186
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,440
forget that because that freak, 
that was the first time that I 

1187
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,280
was like, because even my 
everybody in Saint Louis had a 

1188
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,800
fan. 
Yeah, like everybody had a 

1189
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,400
little box fan. 
Like that's just how it was. 

1190
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,520
And. 
My parents did that. 

1191
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,640
Yeah, y'all didn't. 
And that was the first time when

1192
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,280
I was like, this is weird, this 
is freaky. 

1193
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,440
Like I feel like I could hear 
somebody outside breathing. 

1194
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,600
Yeah. 
And it's it's. 

1195
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,600
Just the way now. 
And my kids will be that way 

1196
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,800
because we sleep with sound 
machines and everything. 

1197
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,080
And I, I've been at people's 
house the same way, like, 

1198
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,560
stayed, like, dead quiet. 
Yeah. 

1199
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,880
And there's just nothing. 
And you're like, OK, so I I 

1200
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,880
respect it now, you know, at the
time, that's all we knew. 

1201
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,120
But now if, if it's too quiet, 
like at a hotel, if I forget the

1202
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,040
sound machine, it's over. 
I got to play jazz or something 

1203
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,000
on my phone again. 
Yeah. 

1204
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, I do. 

1205
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,360
Remember Castle Drive? 
Where were we at? 

1206
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,120
Castle Dr. You talking? 
About yeah, we were talking 

1207
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,120
about that. 
I do remember a couple of a 

1208
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,120
couple of things that I or at 
least one thing that that I 

1209
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,720
remember God making a big impact
in my life early on. 

1210
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,480
I had to I had you're talking 
about at the at at the house. 

1211
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,680
I had the experience where I was
having abdominal pain one night 

1212
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,680
where I just couldn't sleep. 
I was having severe abdominal 

1213
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,280
pain and I just was like tried 
to sleep through it for like an 

1214
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,680
hour, couldn't go back to sleep.
So I finally went over to the 

1215
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,800
parents. 
So I was like, hey, I like I'm 

1216
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,200
having, I'm hurting in my 
stomach right now. 

1217
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Like this is I think I was 8 
years old at the time, or 8 or 

1218
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,240
10, I cannot remember. 
Probably around there. 

1219
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Yeah, but came back and they 
were like, well why don't you 

1220
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,800
kind of go to sleep for now and 
just like see if it what 

1221
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,520
happens, you know what I mean? 
And so did that and it went 

1222
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,280
away. 
So I was like, OK, it was that 

1223
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,880
we went for like we went for 
like 3 weeks and didn't have 

1224
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,680
anything. 
And then I woke up again and 

1225
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,360
about 3 weeks later had the same
thing was like I'm having 

1226
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,400
severe, like my stomach's just 
hurt and hurt and hurt and 

1227
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,160
they're like, well, they did 
this before and it seemed like 

1228
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,680
it was gas last time. 
So like, you know, you need to 

1229
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,360
go back to bed. 
So I went back to bed and was 

1230
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,160
able to go to sleep again. 
I mean, like I said, but you 

1231
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,160
know, my, I, I always 
faithfulness of like my parents,

1232
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,600
they were, they had, my mom 
would always pray over anything 

1233
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,000
like that. 
So like we were praying over 

1234
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,080
that. 
Like they take away the pain, do

1235
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,880
those things and, and went away.
But then like 3 days after that,

1236
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,960
the second time, about 3 days 
later, I mean, I just severe 

1237
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,080
abdominal pain in the middle of 
the night and I go up to mom 

1238
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,800
like, hey, it's, it's back. 
Like I can't sleep, you know, 

1239
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,480
crying like these things. 
And, and she was like, OK, well,

1240
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,880
we'll go get it checked out in 
the morning. 

1241
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,520
And so this has been, it started
been like 3 weeks and three 

1242
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,560
days, something like that since 
the first bout with it and. 

1243
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,600
We go to the doctor and the 
doctor is like, hey, are you 

1244
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:11,800
hurting? 
I'm like, no. 

1245
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,680
And so like they do all the 
tests like the doctors would do 

1246
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,960
on those things. 
And I was just like, OK. 

1247
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,720
And they're like, I don't know, 
this doesn't seem like it's 

1248
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,240
something severe. 
Just go get some imaging done. 

1249
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,600
You know, I mean, so they sent 
us off to go get imaging done. 

1250
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,240
And as, as we go through the 
imaging, they get out and mom's 

1251
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,720
like, hey, you want to go get 
like some ice cream or 

1252
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,520
something? 
It's been a really hard day, you

1253
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,720
know, And at the time we didn't,
we didn't have a whole lot of 

1254
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,320
money. 
So like anytime we get a treat, 

1255
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,360
it was like, dog, we're getting 
some ice cream. 

1256
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,960
You already know, you already 
know we're getting ice cream. 

1257
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,800
But we sit there at ice cream 
and the, the doctor calls back 

1258
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,400
because like this has been like 
33 minutes after the imaging is 

1259
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,240
done. 
Like, so this was like right 

1260
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,440
there, precise. 
I mean, it was, I'm saying like 

1261
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,680
33 minutes is just been guess. 
But it had been we had just 

1262
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,960
enough time to to pull out of 
there and go to the drive 

1263
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,240
through like right across the 
street to get the ice cream. 

1264
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,160
And I'm still mid eating at mid 
eating the ice cream. 

1265
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,680
You know, it'd been like 1/2 an 
hour or something like that. 

1266
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,760
And the doctor calls back and 
was like, hey, you need to go to

1267
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,120
women's and children's right now
because his appendix is about to

1268
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,360
burst. 
Like so we were, we went out of 

1269
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,320
there and like they just got us 
to the ER, to the wounds and 

1270
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,520
children's ER like they wheeled 
us in and pulled through surgery

1271
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,280
and like as fast as I, it was 
just a blur. 

1272
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,440
And they went in there and they,
they, they, they, they went 

1273
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,480
started surgery. 
And they said that when they 

1274
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,720
they pulled out my appendix, it 
just basically dissolved in 

1275
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:49,400
their hands, like right there 
when they pulled it out and wake

1276
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,680
up. 
And you go back and you hear 

1277
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,520
that if my appendix had actually
ruptured like it without them 

1278
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,760
working on it, that like the 
death rate would have been 

1279
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,200
really high. 
Yeah. 

1280
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,440
The mortality rate of that. 
I remember at the office to the 

1281
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,960
doctor had you do jumping jacks.
Just to see coordinated cell, 

1282
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,600
yeah. 
Exactly, that was hilarious, but

1283
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,320
that's neither here nor there. 
But no, that is I'm with you on 

1284
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,200
that because you go from Hey, do
some jumping jacks. 

1285
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:15,880
Does this hurt? 
And then being like. 

1286
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,280
If this ain't hurting for real, 
then it's probably nothing, you 

1287
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,200
know, to call in and saying, 
hey, get them to women and 

1288
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,360
children's right now. 
And like, that's one of those 

1289
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,920
things that's like, you know, 
and, and a lot of times you see 

1290
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,560
like appendix stuff like it 
starts hurting and it stops 

1291
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,440
hurting whenever it's done, 
whenever it burst. 

1292
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,520
You know what I mean? 
It was a really strange 

1293
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,080
situation that that that it was 
able to go, I was able to go 3 

1294
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:46,000
weeks or so without having any 
complications. 

1295
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,760
So I just thank God for that. 
And that's like just like all of

1296
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,880
those minor things that you look
back over your life and you're 

1297
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,320
just like, wow, God's a good to 
me. 

1298
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,640
You know what I mean? 
Like. 

1299
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,800
Yeah, and that's that's big at a
young age too. 

1300
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,320
Those like the stones that 
Joshua put up, you know, that's 

1301
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,840
one of those stones that really 
I think builds our lives in, in 

1302
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,880
our faith too, and those 
moments. 

1303
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,320
So let's get into, let's get 
into a little bit more personal 

1304
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,880
here. 
So obviously you guys got to 

1305
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:23,080
watch me come back in. 
I did not get to watch y'all's 

1306
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,640
experience as far as getting the
Holy Ghost. 

1307
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,600
What how old were you in both of
you guys when you guys got the 

1308
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,040
Holy Ghost got baptized? 
Because I don't remember Cam, I 

1309
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,600
don't remember anything about 
your experience, so you must 

1310
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,040
have gotten it before you moved 
here or it happened while I was 

1311
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,440
out. 
So let's see, I got for me, I, 

1312
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,000
for my 8th birthday, I woke up 
like two or three weeks before 

1313
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,160
my 8th birthday and I was like, 
hey, I know what I want to get 

1314
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,640
for my birthday. 
And they were like, what do you 

1315
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,680
want to get for your birthday? 
And I was like, I want to get 

1316
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,000
baptized for my birthday. 
Like that's what I want. 

1317
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,160
And so they worked it out 
because we were at the 

1318
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,640
children's theater at the time, 
but they worked it out to go to 

1319
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,800
Athens service on the Sunday 
night after our service. 

1320
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,680
And they baptized me on my 8th 
birthday. 

1321
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,920
And they got me a Bible, which I
still have to this day, which 

1322
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,920
has the marks up from the 
parents, like wrote a note. 

1323
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,080
So I'll go back in and reference
that from time to time. 

1324
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,000
You know, I mean, it's a new 
international version, though. 

1325
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,080
So I mean, you know, they're, 
they're churches who wouldn't 

1326
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:37,200
let you read that, you know, but
it's too easy to comprehend. 

1327
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,440
But you know, the we, they, they
gave me a, they gave me a, a 

1328
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,000
Bible for my 8th birthday and I 
got baptized at First Church in 

1329
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,080
Athens. 
And yours was black, right? 

1330
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,200
Black and gold with gold 
inscription. 

1331
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,040
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, it 
was pretty classy for an 8 year 

1332
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:54,600
old's. 
Bible. 

1333
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,000
I was like, well mine was like 
blue with silver. 

1334
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,200
Not quite as classy. 
Did you already have? 

1335
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,240
Did you already have the whole 
you got? 

1336
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:01,280
Baptized. 
No. 

1337
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,200
No, I did not. 
So you you got that a little bit

1338
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,120
later then? 
Yeah. 

1339
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,600
I, I just like I said, woke up 
at that, that 7 or 8 range. 

1340
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,440
And like you said, even though, 
even though I think I had AI had

1341
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,320
the idea of like, we're here to 
start a church and we need to, 

1342
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,440
we're here to fulfill Jesus's 
mission, like those kinds of 

1343
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,520
things. 
For whatever reason, you know, 

1344
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,800
you're like, you're going on 
that 8th birthday and like that 

1345
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,520
seven 8th birthday and you're 
like, man, I should get 

1346
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,960
baptized. 
Like, I'm just clicked, you 

1347
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,440
know? 
And then I wouldn't say that 

1348
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:37,000
like, I really just was like 
seeking the Holy Ghost at that 

1349
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,240
time. 
I wouldn't necessarily classify 

1350
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,200
that as as. 
Hard to when you're that. 

1351
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,520
Young yeah, I don't really think
I was like seeking the Holy 

1352
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,840
Ghost at all at that time. 
I had gotten baptized and I was 

1353
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,400
thankful for that, but it was a 
youth camp whenever I was 9. 

1354
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,800
So about a year after that, that
like they had, they had gone up 

1355
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,640
there and I, I don't remember 
the, the, what the message was 

1356
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,880
or anything about that, but the,
the I, I just felt compelled. 

1357
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,440
Kobe had already, Kobe had 
already received the Holy Ghost 

1358
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,160
and before this at that point, 
yeah, no, I mean, I, I, well, 

1359
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,280
you can go back and tell your 
portion of that, but I, I just 

1360
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,840
remember that Kobe had already 
had it previously. 

1361
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,960
And so like, I think just part 
of my mind was like, well, I 

1362
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,120
think, well, this is, this is 
for me too. 

1363
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,400
You know what I mean? 
Like that's, that's that kind of

1364
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,120
like, I, I know God wants me to 
have this too. 

1365
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:35,040
And I, yeah, I, I so I just 
knelt down at the altar at kids 

1366
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,920
camp. 
And I've always been one of 

1367
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:42,600
those people that like, I'm not,
I'm a, I'm a cynical person, OK?

1368
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,880
Like I'm a very, I have to, if 
God's going to, if God's going 

1369
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,920
to do something for me, I need 
to know it's him. 

1370
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,720
Like that's like I, I and it's 
if like the biggest struggle in 

1371
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,360
my life, I guess. 
So there's probably been missed 

1372
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,560
opportunities because in my own 
brain you psych yourself off 

1373
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,320
saying, does God want me to do 
this? 

1374
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,720
Are there things that God's 
leading me to do? 

1375
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,760
Is this just me thinking this 
like that? 

1376
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,200
That's always been my mindset. 
So whenever I was a kid, you 

1377
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,400
know, I and I, I remember 
praying for the Holy Ghost a 

1378
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,680
couple of times before that, 
maybe at the youth, the youth 

1379
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,120
camp before that, definitely I 
prayed for the Holy Ghost 

1380
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,640
whenever, at my, my first, my 
first kids camp, I prayed for 

1381
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,080
the Holy Ghost and, and did not 
receive it. 

1382
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,360
And so, you know, that was just 
kind of like one of those. 

1383
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,120
So I was like, OK, it's just not
for me yet. 

1384
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,960
But I know, you know, even 
though, even though my brother 

1385
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,920
had received it. 
And so for me, I was like, well,

1386
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:37,040
God, if if this is you, I really
need you to like, like, like 

1387
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,960
take over my mouth because I 
don't want to be one of those 

1388
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,440
people who's just, you know, 
faking it. 

1389
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,400
I don't want to fake it till I'm
watermelon. 

1390
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,520
Yeah, that was me as a kid. 
I was like, God, I'm not going 

1391
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,080
to just do this because people 
expect me to do it. 

1392
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:58,840
Like, I need you to basically 
move my mouth to compel me to do

1393
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,720
this. 
Like, and that's not necessarily

1394
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,360
the attitude that I would 
inspire anybody to have. 

1395
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,920
But at that moment, you know, 
I'm just praying to God. 

1396
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,160
I'm just like, God, I really, I 
really need to do this. 

1397
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,760
And I need you to show me that 
you are real because I'm not 

1398
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,520
going to fake this. 
And you know, you do even like 

1399
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,479
you can get that that kind of 
like purity as a child, you 

1400
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,840
know, you feel, you feel God 
actually like you. 

1401
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,080
You don't feel like you're in 
control in that moment. 

1402
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,560
Like when you start to feel like
when you're praying for a second

1403
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,600
and then you feel God actually 
taking control and you're like, 

1404
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,680
this is this is real. 
Because even my doubting Thomas 

1405
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,520
self, it was like, I refuse to 
do something because people has 

1406
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,160
always been me. 
I've refused to do something 

1407
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,120
just because people expected me 
to do it. 

1408
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,800
You know, I want to do this 
because it is the right thing to

1409
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,439
do. 
And so, yeah, that moment just 

1410
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,279
took over. 
And that was, I mean, it really 

1411
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,040
solidified my faith because it 
was. 

1412
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,600
And I don't like, like what 
Roberto Colin was like, I don't 

1413
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,080
like to fleece God. 
I, I try not to fleece God ever.

1414
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,399
But in that moment, that's what 
I needed to reaffirm my walk 

1415
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:09,960
with God was like, hey, if you 
care enough to like to, to, to 

1416
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,160
really move over a hard headed 
10 year old kid who's not. 

1417
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,040
I'm not going to go and be 
ballistic and, and running 

1418
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,120
around and, and doing all these 
things at that time. 

1419
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,319
Like I'm not going to go up 
there and I'm not going to go up

1420
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,720
there and just, and just 
motormouth my way to getting the

1421
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,560
Holy Ghost. 
I'm going to say 3 words and I 

1422
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,120
need to you to speak through me 
God. 

1423
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,600
And he did. 
And I was it was one of those 

1424
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,479
moments that I was just like, 
you know, you're just grateful 

1425
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:40,040
that God cares about you so much
to, to, to just show up like 

1426
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,680
that to get. 
Around your stubbornness. 

1427
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,399
Exactly. 
Yeah, I that something about 

1428
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,720
being a child too, that I think 
it matters a lot. 

1429
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:53,000
I was 8 and we were in Oklahoma 
and then I was baptized a few 

1430
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,760
weeks after that. 
It is different being a child, I

1431
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,920
think. 
And it's it's, it's not that 

1432
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,200
it's more pure what not, but as 
you're an adult and you go 

1433
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,400
through life and you're working,
paying bills. 

1434
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,120
Exactly. 
And, and also it's difficult for

1435
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,040
us because one of the biggest 
things I think with, with 

1436
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,760
people, for one, if you look at 
the way Peter laid it out, OK, 

1437
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,040
it's not a lot of people put it 
as, oh, it's a requirement, you 

1438
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,600
know, but he says, repent and be
baptized and you will receive 

1439
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:28,160
the gift of the Holy Spirit. 
And that word gift, I think is 

1440
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,960
what really matters to me a 
whole lot is like, this is for 

1441
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,800
you. 
This is something God's giving 

1442
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,840
you, something to seek after. 
And the biggest thing of that is

1443
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,200
taking that control away as 
we're adults. 

1444
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,440
It's hard for people to come to 
Christ as an adult and then 

1445
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:48,160
really lose control and say, 
God, it's all in your hands, you

1446
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,840
know? 
And I had to learn that the hard

1447
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,080
way, which will be later in my 
testimony. 

1448
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,440
But yeah, you know, no matter 
what, life's ups and downs and 

1449
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:58,640
all, and it's difficult 
relinquishing that control once 

1450
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,320
we like being in charge a whole 
lot. 

1451
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,960
When I was 8, though, it was 
great. 

1452
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,040
We were in Oklahoma surrounded 
by people we knew and loved. 

1453
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,920
That was great. 
One of the worst moments in my 

1454
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,200
life, though. 
I'm going to be completely 

1455
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,840
candid in this, OK. 
I remember to this day having a 

1456
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:18,000
conversation with my dad at our 
little glass table and more. 

1457
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,760
You remember our glass table 
over there And we were talking 

1458
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,280
and he was like, do you want to 
get baptized? 

1459
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,040
Because they, I already told 
him, hey, I want to get 

1460
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,840
baptized. 
And he was like, do you want to 

1461
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,920
get baptized here? 
And Brother Clinton, our pastor 

1462
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,760
at the time in Oklahoma, he's 
like, brother, can't Brother 

1463
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,480
Clinton can baptize you. 
Or do you want to wait a week 

1464
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,360
and we can go to Louisiana and 
then I can baptize you and we'll

1465
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,360
be down there with family and 
even our family in Mississippi 

1466
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,680
come down and everything. 
For one, don't know why. 

1467
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,240
And I'm blaming him on this one 
a little bit, OK, Because as a 

1468
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,600
dad, I'd make a better decision.
But he asked me. 

1469
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,440
And I was like, I want to be 
baptized up here in Oklahoma. 

1470
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,840
And so I did. 
And I regretted that for so 

1471
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,640
long. 
I've gotten over since I've 

1472
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,880
gotten over since then. 
But that was really a rough 

1473
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,320
moment for me because I was 
like, man, I chose, you know, to

1474
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:11,480
be baptized up here. 
And I don't know that I really 

1475
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,640
going back, I would have chose 
to be baptized in Louisiana with

1476
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,280
my dad doing it and all of our 
family being there. 

1477
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,040
That would have been great. 
And then if you remember, I got 

1478
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,280
re baptized by my dad in 
Huntsville when I think I was 12

1479
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,840
at the time. 
And for me, that's really where 

1480
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,720
I started thinking about God a 
lot more. 

1481
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,720
We got here, we're getting 
bought in and I was like, hey, 

1482
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,800
I'm getting serious about it. 
I want to kind of recommit 

1483
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,520
myself. 
And then also I want you to 

1484
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,920
baptize me, you know, and that 
at 12, that was kind of a moment

1485
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,320
for me. 
Like, OK, we're here doing this 

1486
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,800
church thing in Madison. 
We're going to lock in and and 

1487
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,600
really do it. 
And so that that was a good 

1488
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,640
faith building moment for 
myself. 

1489
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,680
You. 
Know what's funny about that? 

1490
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,680
That was the first time that I 
was baptized. 

1491
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,720
And the impression I had was 
that the reason why you got 

1492
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,320
baptized, because we got 
baptized at the same time, was 

1493
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,640
because the impression that I 
had or, and I think someone 

1494
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,240
might have mentioned it to me 
and it could have been true. 

1495
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,480
Could have been not, could have 
been them just someone telling 

1496
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:18,160
me that made me feel better. 
They were like, oh, yeah. 

1497
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,280
So that you're not the only 
person Kobe's going to get 

1498
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,320
baptized too. 
So if not all the attention's 

1499
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,560
going to be on you. 
That was that was what somebody 

1500
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,360
told me that I'm not. 
Oh really? 

1501
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:29,920
Did it make you feel good or 
bad? 

1502
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,640
I felt a whole lot better than 
because I thought it was just 

1503
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,360
going to be me. 
That was the biggest thing. 

1504
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,680
Well then that worked out. 
Really. 

1505
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,360
Great. 
And when all the highs on me is,

1506
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:38,920
I was like, Oh yeah, Kobe's 
going to do it too. 

1507
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,960
That way you're not the only 
only one getting baptized. 

1508
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,000
And for whatever reason that 
sounds like that makes me feel 

1509
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,800
better now. 
I did not get baptized because I

1510
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,920
knew what I was doing. 
I just got baptized because I 

1511
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,520
was told you had to. 
So that I can get into a little 

1512
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:53,960
bit later, but. 
Yeah. 

1513
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,800
But at the same time, I mean, 
you're still, you're told, hey, 

1514
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,720
I should do this. 
And you're responding even at 

1515
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,840
your age being like, hey, you 
know, I was told to do this, I'm

1516
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,320
going to do it. 
Yeah, I said. 

1517
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,600
You can respect that always. 
I would say back to that part of

1518
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,240
that, I do like what what we 
were talking about Brother Shane

1519
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,280
about this few weeks ago 
whenever we met with him and he 

1520
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,600
was, you know, we talked about 
receiving the Holy Ghost. 

1521
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,560
Think I think I really liked 
what he had said before where 

1522
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,760
like so many people get so 
caught up and they're seeking 

1523
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,720
that they start seeking for 
tongues and they can't find it. 

1524
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,480
But he said what you're seeking 
for is God and what you'll end 

1525
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:30,640
up finding is that manifestation
of him seeing God first. 

1526
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,760
But don't seek the experience 
you're looking for. 

1527
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,800
You seek God, you find this, 
you'll find it because he's like

1528
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,880
tongues is not the Holy Ghost. 
Tongues is the sign of God 

1529
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,560
moving on you. 
And so when you find God, you'll

1530
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,520
find that. 
And that's just when brother 

1531
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,160
Shane said that I was like that,
that, that that's a powerful. 

1532
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,400
That's a man. 
I would have loved to been 

1533
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:50,240
there. 
We'll have to do. 

1534
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,880
We'll have to see if we can get 
into a Part 2. 

1535
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,120
Yeah, I love being there. 
Yeah, I'd love to be there for. 

1536
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,120
That I will say this. 
That was 1. 

1537
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,000
If he's listening to this one, 
hopefully he listens this one. 

1538
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,800
He's probably not. 
I probably yeah, that was one of

1539
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,760
the more enjoyable ones 
recording because that was one 

1540
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,880
of the ones where it was like I 
sat down there and I I went back

1541
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,560
to being a kid in youth 
classroom. 

1542
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,600
And I'm not even kidding. 
It was like, I feel like I'm in 

1543
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:15,240
youth all over again listening 
to my youth pastor tell me all 

1544
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,400
these things and I'm like, I 
feel like a kid. 

1545
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,320
Good. 
This is great. 

1546
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,080
But anyways, so I guess the one 
of the things that I wanted to 

1547
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,960
get into you guys and yeah, 
we'll see which way it goes. 

1548
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:35,040
But at what point did you guys 
feel call on your life and what,

1549
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,600
what was that call? 
What was that, that feeling when

1550
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:44,040
that happened? 
I, I say I want you guys to do 

1551
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,720
it first because I'll kind of 
I'll throw mine in there once I 

1552
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,200
get to that point. 
It's like a storyline. 

1553
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:53,880
That's how I imagine this going.
So you, you guys, you guys were 

1554
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,200
a lot more invested and 
knowledgeable about it at that 

1555
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,600
age than I was. 
So when did you feel that first?

1556
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,400
Like this is what God what? 
This is what I think God's call 

1557
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:07,000
on my life is or or or of that 
scenario. 

1558
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,120
Cameron's is going to be better 
than mine a a better answer, but

1559
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,440
I can get mine out of the way if
you want to. 

1560
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:22,240
For real, I don't I feel like 
there was a moment that I can 

1561
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:27,360
still remember at I think it was
Alabama Youth Explosion. 

1562
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:35,240
We went to where I'd man brother
Zach Wells was praying with me 

1563
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,080
at Alabama Youth Explosion and I
was young, maybe 12 or 

1564
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,560
something. 
And that to this day is like a 

1565
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,360
moment that I felt the Spirit, 
like I've never felt it before. 

1566
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,480
I mean, just all over me 
completely. 

1567
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:56,680
And in that moment I was like, 
OK, God's got a purpose for me 

1568
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,920
not knowing what the call is. 
And we, I've got a lot of 

1569
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,600
different opinions of, you know,
us romanticizing our call in 

1570
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:08,440
some ways. 
When I started getting more 

1571
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:12,520
involved in church stuff, going 
to youth camp was great. 

1572
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,640
That was great. 
But then like you start getting 

1573
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,480
more involved in different 
church stuff. 

1574
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:22,240
I feel like I sought it so much 
that I started putting my own 

1575
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,920
expectations into it, if that 
makes sense. 

1576
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:32,280
So for me, I had always been 
thinking, oh, you know, you're 

1577
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,360
in church, you're doing this, 
your dad's a preacher and 

1578
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,560
everything. 
You're going to be a preacher. 

1579
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:42,080
And the biggest part of that was
the, I, I mean, I'll be upfront 

1580
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,040
with it was my ego. 
That's it. 

1581
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,760
That's like the, the ego of me 
being that, hey, I can be a 

1582
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,840
great preacher. 
I can do this, blah, blah, blah.

1583
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,440
Like I, I can work hard and I 
can become a great preacher. 

1584
01:17:54,440 --> 01:18:01,080
And all my mindset set shifted 
very negatively. 

1585
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:06,120
Looking at it now in my 
perspective, you know, growing 

1586
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,320
up as a teenager, that was what 
I was going to do. 

1587
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,480
Like, OK, I'm, I'm going to go 
be a preacher and everything. 

1588
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:17,040
It wasn't until later in life, 
even a couple years ago where I 

1589
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,160
really started expanding upon 
the actual call of God and what 

1590
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,360
that really means for me 
personally, I'll let Cam go. 

1591
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,880
So we're talking in, in our 
youth time frame because I, I've

1592
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,680
got different timelines on where
I'm at like. 

1593
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,720
But that was that was the first 
time that you felt like, hey, 

1594
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,600
there's there's there's 
something for me as far as the 

1595
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,320
future. 
And at first it seemed like it 

1596
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,680
was going to be preaching. 
Well, at the time it, I don't 

1597
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,840
know if I'd say that at 12 it 
was pure. 

1598
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,720
I didn't care. 
At 12, the purpose was in a pure

1599
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,880
way of whatever the song, you 
know, the songs, like if you can

1600
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:57,520
use anything, Lord, you can use 
me. 

1601
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,160
That when that was my mindset, 
like I don't care what you got 

1602
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,960
me doing, I'll go do whatever. 
Like that's how it felt then. 

1603
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,680
And then as I shifted, I think I
put myself and other people's 

1604
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,320
expectations on to what my call 
was, you know? 

1605
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,680
And I will say, and I'll give 
you a chance here in a second, 

1606
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:19,800
but I will say I think I can 
relate a little bit and I think 

1607
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,760
a lot of people can. 
I really feel like, and This is 

1608
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,480
why I like to ask people this 
question, but I really feel like

1609
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:30,760
for young men, especially all of
us, I don't know if it's just 

1610
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,720
that every man has that ego or 
if it's just the notion. 

1611
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:41,000
But it seems to me like most 
young men, when they when they 

1612
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,760
get to that age where it's like,
OK, God, what's my calling? 

1613
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,600
It's like the very first thing 
is I'm going to be a preacher. 

1614
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,920
Yeah, I'm going to be an 
evangelist or whatever the case 

1615
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,920
may be. 
So I, I feel like as we get into

1616
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,880
it, I'll be able to relate more 
because that was that was the 

1617
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,240
first thing for me too. 
And I think it was for a lot of 

1618
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:00,680
people. 
But then you kind of mature up 

1619
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,520
and it's like that's not the 
only way that you can be used is

1620
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:06,600
from a pulpit. 
No. 

1621
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,680
So I, I do feel like that's just
the thing that a lot of young 

1622
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,360
men struggle with is that exact 
thing. 

1623
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,720
It's not, it's not, it's not 
unknown. 

1624
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,880
Everybody. 
I, I really do think that, well,

1625
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,240
I don't know what it is. 
It must be preaching. 

1626
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,480
Yeah, and I, I think it's back 
to the control thing, you know, 

1627
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,160
and giving yourself up to God. 
I think it's the easy answer for

1628
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,080
a lot of us is like when you're 
willing and it starts in a pure 

1629
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,800
place where you're like, hey, my
heart is ready and willing to 

1630
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,640
serve you in whatever capacity. 
The easiest thing to grasp to, 

1631
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,720
especially as a young man is I'm
going to be a preacher. 

1632
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,960
And even if it's something like,
oh, I'm going to go start a 

1633
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,560
church and on. 
And we saw it first hand on how 

1634
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,720
much of A toil that was. 
But I think it's just the 

1635
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,640
easiest thing to latch onto 
where you can say, OK, I'm 

1636
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,800
serving God. 
And the, the thing with that is 

1637
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:00,640
that like, well, our father, he 
may be preaching every Sunday in

1638
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,040
awe, man. 
There's so much more to his 

1639
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,840
ministry behind the scenes that 
people don't see generally 

1640
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,480
unless you're involved in his 
life. 

1641
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,760
And that's a lot of the ministry
I feel like is, I don't want to 

1642
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,040
say more important. 
It's by the foolishness of 

1643
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:19,120
preaching that we're saved. 
But there's a lot that goes into

1644
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:24,080
that that people on the outside 
will see a whole lot more than 

1645
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,880
then they will a preacher, you 
know, unless you're going out to

1646
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,960
people. 
Yeah, I I think it's just, it's,

1647
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,560
it's ease of access for us. 
We see preachers, we want to be 

1648
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,760
used of God. 
We gravitate to that naturally. 

1649
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,280
I think we glorify it. 
Yeah, and that was my thing when

1650
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,400
you think about it. 
And that's that's a little bit 

1651
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,920
of the negative subculture in 
some sense. 

1652
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,320
It's like when we talk about 
stuff and we hype them up like 

1653
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,600
they're rock stars sometimes for
better or worse. 

1654
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,520
And it's good too. 
It's not bad. 

1655
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,520
A lot of times it's good. 
But I think end of the day, it 

1656
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,360
doesn't matter the vessel that 
the message coming through if 

1657
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:00,760
the, if the heart is pure, God's
message is what's being 

1658
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,640
preached. 
It doesn't matter the vessel. 

1659
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,160
And I think that's where we lose
sight. 

1660
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,080
Sometimes we're like, oh, this 
guy here, man, he's a great 

1661
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:08,160
evangelist. 
He is this. 

1662
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,400
But if we look at it from a 
better perspective, he is the 

1663
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,400
instrument. 
That's the voice of God. 

1664
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:16,000
You know, if his heart's pure 
and he's delivering a message 

1665
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,320
from God, it's not about him. 
And that's why you see these 

1666
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:23,480
cycles of evangelists, if you 
will, with names and people. 

1667
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:27,560
They people in a lot of times 
God's messages is flowing for 

1668
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,240
somebody that's great in that 
moment, you know, and what the 

1669
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,280
way the message is needing to be
delivered. 

1670
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,120
And when you're young, you just 
hear great names and you're 

1671
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,480
like, that's going to be me, 
man. 

1672
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:38,560
I'm going to be up there 
preaching Youth Congress. 

1673
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,800
You know, and you see that even 
with people who have, who have 

1674
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,680
been used by God in a great way,
and then they and then they kind

1675
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,800
of fall away and then people 
doubt their whole ministry. 

1676
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,600
But a lot of times it's not like
that. 

1677
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,880
A lot of times what happens is 
that people do get used and 

1678
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,960
then, you know, through their 
own life, you know, and pride 

1679
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,000
and such things that could take 
away they, they internalize that

1680
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,760
as something that they do, you 
know, I mean, that's what's 

1681
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,680
where people got to people got 
to separate like that, that like

1682
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,120
you said, God uses people at 
particular times. 

1683
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,760
And you know, and not only that,
it's like, it's not, it's not 

1684
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,400
because we're great that that 
God uses us. 

1685
01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:15,600
We're, you know what I mean? 
God is great and his message is 

1686
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,880
great ultimately. 
And so if, if, if whoever the 

1687
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:24,280
person is who gets to convey 
that, you know, like, like you 

1688
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,280
said, you know, and that's where
you see people though, where 

1689
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,400
people will fall away, you know,
that doesn't invalidate 

1690
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,520
everything they said horrible 
people have said of great things

1691
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,680
because his word is good. 
Like that's it. 

1692
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,840
I mean, ultimately. 
And that's the thing too, man, 

1693
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,560
like and, and, and I think we 
struggled with that too, because

1694
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,920
there were some ministers that 
were very tie up big names, if 

1695
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,560
you will, in ministry. 
And when you're growing up, 

1696
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,560
those are the rock stars. 
You're like, man, I want to grow

1697
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,240
up and be like those guys. 
And then we grow up. 

1698
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,840
And some of those do have a 
falling out and you're like, 

1699
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,040
man, like something happened in 
their personal life. 

1700
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,480
Maybe it was ego eventually got 
them, I don't know. 

1701
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,440
But when you're young and you're
an impressionable teenager and 

1702
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:09,680
they have that falling out and 
all it it, it can kind of affect

1703
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,960
your face, but you, your faith, 
but you don't need to throw out 

1704
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,480
the message. 
It's the same thing with God 

1705
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:19,080
using the donkey. 
It's even like Saul, like Saul. 

1706
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:23,040
Saul at one point in his life 
was the guy who who took Israel 

1707
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,360
to task and said you don't have 
faith in the Lord, like you 

1708
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,200
don't have faith and he's going 
to do this. 

1709
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,840
He cut up the ox and sent it to 
every portion of it and said, if

1710
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,400
you don't join us in battle, 
this will be the rest of your 

1711
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,240
livestock are going to look just
like that. 

1712
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,080
We're talking about that, that 
that was Saul one point in his 

1713
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,360
life. 
And so just because Saul 

1714
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,320
inevitably fell to his own ego, 
you know what I mean, that 

1715
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,920
didn't invalidate how much faith
Saul had. 

1716
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,720
No, in those moments where he 
was delivering the message that 

1717
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,120
God was giving to him, to the 
people, you know what I mean? 

1718
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,200
And also God didn't tear down 
the Kingdom of Israel because 

1719
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,480
Saul had an issue himself he 
raised. 

1720
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,000
Up someone else in the same way.
That's one of the things that I 

1721
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,600
and that's one of the things 
that that I have preached before

1722
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,160
was that the same You know 
Jonathan, Jonathan had 

1723
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,120
incredible Jonathan had 
incredible faith. 

1724
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,800
It's all son whenever he stepped
out to fight on the mountain by 

1725
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,000
himself, which is him and his 
armor bearer and he routed the 

1726
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,240
enemy by himself and he learned 
that from his father in the way 

1727
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:29,920
that his father LED his life. 
Why, why later in the life with 

1728
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,360
Saul and and Jonathan, and by 
extension, why would there need 

1729
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,200
to be, you know, that David, why
was no one willing to step up 

1730
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,440
and fight like that? 
You know, that's, that doesn't 

1731
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:41,480
mean that they were wrong at the
earlier points in their lives. 

1732
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,040
And then somewhere along the way
they lost that faith that they 

1733
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,280
had originally like they lost. 
They started trusting and who 

1734
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,880
they were, and then they 
realized that they were 

1735
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,360
inadequate for the moment 
because we all are ultimately 

1736
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,400
inadequate without God. 
That's the truth, yeah. 

1737
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:03,120
So, but as far as like moments 
of ministry, like as far as like

1738
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,520
when did I feel called to it? 
It definitely. 

1739
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,000
And it's it, it wasn't like a, 
it wasn't like a moment, 

1740
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,840
especially my childhood. 
I'd never, I, I once again, I've

1741
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,480
been cynical and somewhat of a 
doubting Thomas my entire life 

1742
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,520
when it comes to God. 
So like it wasn't like 8 years 

1743
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:24,200
old had those things. 
No, I just knew that I knew that

1744
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,200
God wanted me. 
As far as moments, I always felt

1745
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,280
compelled after services and 
after those things, I felt 

1746
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:32,920
compelled. 
My mission was to help people 

1747
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,240
like that. 
Was it like and, and, and like I

1748
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,280
never, I never wanted to preach 
whenever I was a kid. 

1749
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,480
I never wanted to, to, to preach
whenever I was a teenager, even 

1750
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,320
for the most part. 
Like there's moments where 

1751
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,520
you're like, where you do feel 
like that, where you're like, 

1752
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,440
man, I would love to be a 
preacher, but but like I never, 

1753
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:51,480
I, I never professed to anybody 
that I was called to preach 

1754
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,200
ever. 
Which to me, I'm going to speak 

1755
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,960
on it. 
This is personal opinion, OK, 

1756
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:02,920
Not saying it's God. 
Those are the people that I want

1757
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,320
behind pulpits. 
Also, you know, other people who

1758
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,000
are not looking for it. 
I feel like God. 

1759
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,960
You see it time and time again 
in Scripture where the people 

1760
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,640
that are the most unwilling are 
generally the ones that he wants

1761
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,000
the most in those positions. 
I you go ahead, go ahead. 

1762
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,680
That I wasn't saying that to fit
into some kind of and some kind 

1763
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,760
of stereotype. 
Or anything like that. 

1764
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:28,240
No, I I know you weren't. 
I know you weren't at all. 

1765
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,160
But I know watching you grow up,
I don't know. 

1766
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,840
I kind of always felt that you 
were more humble than me in a 

1767
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,960
lot of ways. 
You were more of an introvert. 

1768
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,880
And then when Cameron started 
preaching, he's going to get all

1769
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,120
awkward. 
We're going to have to get all 

1770
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,840
over this and everything. 
But we came back and all. 

1771
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:52,120
I've always not liked young 
preachers, you know, because 

1772
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,920
it's a lot of desire, in my 
opinion. 

1773
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:58,400
And I always feel that the 
people desiring to have a 

1774
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,640
microphone, and this is probably
prejudice on my part, but the 

1775
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,920
people desiring to have a 
microphone, in my opinion, I'm 

1776
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,000
like, those probably aren't the 
people for the job, OK. 

1777
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:12,800
And Cameron, never been a guy 
who's like, yo, give me that mic

1778
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,800
because I got to tell these 
people something. 

1779
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,640
And because of that, every 
single message that he's 

1780
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,200
delivered, I mean, it's 
resonated with me on a deep 

1781
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,360
level. 
And he's an intellectual 

1782
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:30,080
speaker, I think. 
I think he is a perfect example 

1783
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,440
of a vessel, not necessarily him
in himself. 

1784
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,880
You know, I'm not making this, 
you know, awkward enough about 

1785
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,640
you, but he isn't a perfect 
example of a vessel that is open

1786
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,760
and willing to be used of God 
without that selfish desire. 

1787
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,080
That's why he is a preacher and 
I'm not. 

1788
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:52,120
That's that's my opinion of it. 
I had that personal desire and 

1789
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,560
he didn't. 
He's he's, you heard him say 

1790
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,680
that about his desire was to 
help people and through his 

1791
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,040
pulpit ministry where he's able 
to speak. 

1792
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,840
I think that's just an extension
of helping people and he does it

1793
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,000
in a great way. 
So would you say, did you say 

1794
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,720
that you're you felt like you're
calling then was not to preach 

1795
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,000
your calling was more I don't 
want to say generic in a bad 

1796
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,000
way, but your calling was more 
generic in a sense of it was my 

1797
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,360
calling is to help this church 
however I can. 

1798
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:26,320
I'd, I'd say just that this 
church is the, is the, is the 

1799
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,960
men is the ministry point and 
God placed me and I was just 

1800
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,440
always, I've always been a 
person that wherever God puts me

1801
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:37,040
in my life, I'm going to give it
my all there and for as long as 

1802
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,400
it until God tells me to do 
something differently. 

1803
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,720
That's not to say that I don't. 
I love this church. 

1804
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,520
I, I love this church as much as
it is, but it's always been for 

1805
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:45,600
me. 
Like, you know, whenever I was a

1806
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,000
kid, I always thought I was 
going to grow up and, and move 

1807
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,520
somewhere else. 
Like I, I really did. 

1808
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,920
I always, I had a great desire 
to, to, to leave at a certain 

1809
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,040
point in my life, but I always 
knew that wherever I was at, I 

1810
01:29:56,040 --> 01:30:02,920
knew God called me to, to 
minister like, not not 

1811
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,480
necessarily from a pulpit 
necessarily like that, but I 

1812
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:10,320
always knew God wanted me to be 
as invested as possible into his

1813
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,600
people. 
Like that's that was it. 

1814
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,800
And I even got mad. 
I mean, I said God at a certain 

1815
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,200
point, like because you have so 
many people who have 

1816
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,480
breakthrough moments and things 
like that, where, where, where, 

1817
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:25,600
where, like, you know, oh, you 
know, God's going to speak to 

1818
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,640
you right now or those things 
like that, You know, like what 

1819
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,680
you and you heard great stories.
I don't doubt those at all. 

1820
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,480
I really don't how God chooses 
to to talk to different people 

1821
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,720
or anything like that. 
But there, there definitely was 

1822
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:40,160
moments in my life where 
especially even after being 

1823
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:45,640
involved and in, in even being 
like, you know, you start to get

1824
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,160
used in some of those capacities
where you start to speak or 

1825
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,160
something like that. 
And you're like this feel, I 

1826
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:52,400
feel like I'm doing what's 
right. 

1827
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:53,600
I feel like I'm doing what's 
right. 

1828
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,840
I feel like, like, you know, I 
started speaking and I feel like

1829
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:58,800
I'm doing what God wants me to 
do. 

1830
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,760
Like I feel, I feel that 
presence of God when we're 

1831
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,400
speaking, when we're studying. 
I feel like God's leading me to 

1832
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:05,960
say something like these 
moments. 

1833
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:10,320
But you know, there wasn't that 
moment that so many people have 

1834
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,560
or you have the breakthrough and
you say, you know, and you get 

1835
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,520
to that point, especially like 
early on and you're like, God, 

1836
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,560
if this is what you're doing, 
you've done this for so many 

1837
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,640
other people, why won't you just
come out and say it to me? 

1838
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,040
You know what I mean? 
Why won't you give me and meet 

1839
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:26,760
my expectations on what I think 
you should do for me And that 

1840
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,120
that moment never came for me. 
Like so many people talk about 

1841
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,280
like, like, like that powerful 
moment where they're just 

1842
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,000
praying before God and God just 
speaks to him and says, you're 

1843
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:39,240
called to speak to my people. 
And, and, and do that never came

1844
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:45,400
like, but I continue to do what 
God tells me to do on the daily.

1845
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,240
And I'll do that as long as he 
wants me. 

1846
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,880
If he wants me to speak, I'll 
speak. 

1847
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,400
And if he tells me to stop 
speaking at some point, I'll 

1848
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,640
stop speaking. 
Like if it, if it feels wrong, 

1849
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,520
if, if the presence of God 
convicts me and I know my time's

1850
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,600
done, my time is done. 
Like that's it. 

1851
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:09,200
For me, maybe you guys can help 
me out with it because I'm 

1852
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:16,480
still, I kind of was like you I 
had when so the first time I 

1853
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:21,200
went to camp and the first I 
only went to camp once. 

1854
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:24,960
But during that time at camp, 
that was probably when you know,

1855
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,120
I was really like like I got the
Holy Ghost at the youth 

1856
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:32,320
explosion before, but then there
was nothing else. 

1857
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:37,040
Then went back to camp and then 
and that's when, you know, felt 

1858
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,440
the spirit again and was like, 
OK. 

1859
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,760
And then I had, I had that same 
mindset of oh, OK, I think I 

1860
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,680
felt God's calling me to be a 
preacher. 

1861
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,400
That's that's what I feel like 
my calling is, which made sense 

1862
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,760
to me because I hated crowds and
I hated public speaking. 

1863
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,680
So in my head, it was like, 
there's no way this is me 

1864
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:04,920
because I would not choose this.
And then obviously just as time 

1865
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,160
went on, I just, I, I, it's 
probably more on me. 

1866
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,360
I just never really pursued it. 
But then I also got into my own 

1867
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,120
self like with Cam where it was 
like, well, what if that was 

1868
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,120
just me? 
And I'm still kind of in that 

1869
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,520
spot where it's like, I don't 
really know 100% what it is 

1870
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,600
because I'm looking for that 
same experience that Cam had 

1871
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,480
that God stop me in my tracks 
and tell me. 

1872
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,720
Because like for me personally, 
it's one of those where it's 

1873
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,040
like, I don't know what's a 
calling and I don't know what's 

1874
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,120
a burden. 
I can tell you what I have a 

1875
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,480
burden for, but I really have, 
I'm still at that point to where

1876
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:37,800
it's like, I really don't know 
what it is. 

1877
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,400
Like I have a burden for youth 
ministry. 

1878
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:45,600
I have a burden for, for hyphen 
ministry just because I know 

1879
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,240
that's a burden because I know 
what it was like, how important 

1880
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,560
it was for me in my life. 
So right now it's that mindset 

1881
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,880
of just like, well, I just, I 
don't want to worry about what I

1882
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,120
think my calling might be. 
I just want to worry about what 

1883
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:04,240
can I do to help? 
Maybe I'll have that like what 

1884
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,640
brother Shane was talking about 
for him where it just everything

1885
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,520
went white and it was God told 
him audibly. 

1886
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,800
It's like maybe that'll happen, 
but so far it hasn't. 

1887
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,840
So it's just one of those things
where it's like, I always get 

1888
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,320
scared that it's like, oh, you 
know, you think your calling is 

1889
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,360
this because that's what 
everybody thinks it is. 

1890
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:26,200
And I'm looking for that, that 
revelation of, oh, this is what 

1891
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,520
it is. 
So I would say that's probably 

1892
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,720
the biggest thing that I 
struggle with right now is what 

1893
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,080
is a calling and what is a 
burden? 

1894
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:34,320
Because they're two different 
things. 

1895
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,960
What are you called to do versus
what do you have? 

1896
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,160
Because just because you have a 
burden for something doesn't 

1897
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,200
necessarily mean that that's 
what you're calling is. 

1898
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,160
So that's why I asked is like, 
So what? 

1899
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,040
What made you realize it? 
Because I don't know. 

1900
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,480
Yeah. 
And I think we both ended up, we

1901
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:52,960
don't necessarily know either. 
That's where I'm at right now. 

1902
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,160
Like, I don't know, but I do 
love what you said about a 

1903
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,880
burden because I think that's 
where everything starts. 

1904
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,600
You cannot have a calling 
without having a burden where 

1905
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,240
your heart is actually like 
reaching towards something. 

1906
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,200
You're like, I want this to be 
good. 

1907
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,400
I don't care if I'm involved, 
you know? 

1908
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,520
But like, my desire is to see 
this aspect really good and 

1909
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,040
something's on your heart. 
I mean, I think that overall, I 

1910
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,320
think that I think that when we 
get to the end of our lives, and

1911
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,640
I mean, like I said, there's 
been people certainly during 

1912
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,040
that, like I've had that moment 
like like brother Shane, where 

1913
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,400
it's like, this is what you're, 
you're, you're called to do, 

1914
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:27,720
you're going to, you're going to
do those things. 

1915
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,680
But I think I think for most 
people like you even look, look 

1916
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,960
through the Bible at different 
points in our life, we're called

1917
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,880
to different things straight up 
like where we're at in our 

1918
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,240
ministry, like, and who we are 
as a person. 

1919
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,160
The Apostle Paul, when he 
started off his ministry, like 

1920
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:46,800
he wasn't necessarily like solo 
preaching everything like 

1921
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,320
himself. 
He was working with Barnabas at 

1922
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,520
first. 
He was working with these 

1923
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,280
people. 
You know, that was his calling 

1924
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,720
at that time was to do that. 
Like he didn't go off to start 

1925
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,360
every church by himself like he 
did later on in life. 

1926
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,320
He wasn't the he wasn't training
up the Timothy's and the, and 

1927
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,880
the Titus is at that point, it's
calling at that point was, was 

1928
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,000
to help with like was to help 
preach with Barnabas. 

1929
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,200
Like that was the the word that 
got out there. 

1930
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,400
And you see that his ministry 
evolved over time where he 

1931
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,280
eventually became the person who
was training up the Tituses and 

1932
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,560
and and the Timothy's and and 
that point. 

1933
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,280
And even like Steven, when you 
go back and read through and the

1934
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,920
before he gets, you know, the 
ministry there before, before he

1935
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:33,920
gets stoned, you'll see how 
you'll see like in that in the, 

1936
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:38,360
in the, in Acts there where the 
first, the first ministry before

1937
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,680
we see the city get taken over 
was the, the apostles. 

1938
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,680
You know, they were, they were 
talking, they said we don't have

1939
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,280
time to minister to the needs of
the widowers. 

1940
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,600
And, and these people at the 
time who were having a real 

1941
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,360
legitimate issue, they weren't 
being taken care of like they, 

1942
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,680
like they should have been. 
So they said we don't have time 

1943
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,120
right now to minister to these 
needs when we're trying to grow 

1944
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:04,400
the church like we're trying to.
So they appointed, they 

1945
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:09,280
appointed people to take care of
the needs of those of those 

1946
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:13,040
people. 
And what you see there is that 

1947
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:17,760
those people who who ministered 
to the widows and to those 

1948
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:21,680
people at the time went up and 
actually caught the whole city 

1949
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,800
on fire. 
So they're calling at one point 

1950
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:30,920
was to minister to the widows. 
But what happened was their 

1951
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,320
ministry grew. 
Their calling grew because they 

1952
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,840
did the one part. 
And so it wasn't even the 

1953
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:40,040
apostles who really took that 
off right there. 

1954
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,520
It was the people who did what 
they, what the apostles 

1955
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,760
appointed them to do, which was 
take care of the widows and the 

1956
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,640
needy. 
And then the city turned upside 

1957
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,280
down because they followed this 
calling. 

1958
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,960
And then what that turned into 
was a greater great quote, 

1959
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:58,480
greater calling that we would 
recognize. 

1960
01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:02,360
So at different points in our 
lives, we're called to do 

1961
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:06,080
different things. 
So like for me, like who I am 

1962
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,720
today and what God has for my 
purpose today is that may be one

1963
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,040
thing, but in a few years, maybe
God's put me in a different 

1964
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,000
position and my calling will be 
different, you know, at 

1965
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,080
different points in our lives. 
And I think that's where the 

1966
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,040
burden comes into play. 
I mean, I think you see that in 

1967
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,760
Jeremiah. 
I mean, that's what compared to 

1968
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:26,720
me like as far as whenever I 
talk about preaching the word, I

1969
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,320
would compare, I would compare 
the feeling that I have the 

1970
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,560
closest to Jeremiah whenever he 
says it's like a like a fire 

1971
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,640
shut up in his bones. 
You know what I mean? 

1972
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,600
That that's the feeling that I 
have. 

1973
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,000
There's you read the Bible and 
you and, and you read it and, 

1974
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:46,080
and you get excited because you 
got to tell somebody about what 

1975
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,520
God has to say. 
That's not, that's not because I

1976
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,200
felt the audible voice of God 
tell me to go preach that, but 

1977
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:58,560
I'm sitting there reading it and
I if I try to contain what I'm 

1978
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:02,400
seeing here inside of me, then I
feel like I'm going to explode 

1979
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,840
because there's something, 
there's something inside of me 

1980
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,600
that's got to get out. 
And so that's the greatest 

1981
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,200
compelling for me is like, 
that's how I knew my calling was

1982
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,800
because if I'm not fulfilling 
it, if I'm not fulfilling it, 

1983
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,120
I'm not going to be able to 
sleep at night. 

1984
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,680
Like if that fire is going to 
burn. 

1985
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,640
Yeah, no, I'm with you. 
And I think that's the biggest 

1986
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,160
thing too. 
Something you can't get your 

1987
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,720
mind off of, something that's 
really bothering you. 

1988
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,920
Backtrack on that. 
We got back in church a few 

1989
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,400
years back, went to Youth 
Congress and at youth Congress, 

1990
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,680
the preacher did you know what 
they do sometimes? 

1991
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:43,320
And he's like every hand eye, 
every, every, every eye close, 

1992
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:44,760
every hand raised. 
And he's like, I want you to 

1993
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,080
reach out and you talk to God 
and he's going to tell you, 

1994
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,200
you're calling, right? 
And I was like, OK. 

1995
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:54,680
And so me because I'm like, I'm 
not quite there yet, but I'm 

1996
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,520
definitely going to pray for 
these kids, you know, So I 

1997
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,400
immediately like not even 
thinking about me. 

1998
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,040
I'm like, God, I want you to 
touch these kids and, and let 

1999
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,400
them see a pathway for them to 
be used in your Kingdom, blah, 

2000
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,040
blah, blah. 
And then I felt something. 

2001
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:15,040
I felt something that I 
immediately shut down because 

2002
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,200
I'm like, all right, that's just
me talking again, you know what 

2003
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,160
I'm saying? 
And I think we are our biggest 

2004
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:24,480
enemies on that a whole lot. 
And so when we got back in 

2005
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:30,840
church, I, my biggest struggle 
coming back to God was a taking 

2006
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:37,160
my pride out of the equation and
then be putting others first, 

2007
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,080
you know, really focusing on 
that. 

2008
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:40,840
And that's what I said I was 
going to do. 

2009
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:42,600
We come back to church. 
That's what it's all going to be

2010
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,280
about. 
So I had no desire to be 

2011
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:48,480
involved in any type of ministry
because I didn't want it to 

2012
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:50,840
become a me show. 
You know, I know how I've been 

2013
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,640
my whole life. 
And so I'm like, I'm going to 

2014
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:58,760
avoid that. 
And then we got here for a 

2015
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:02,520
little while and just, I just 
sat in a Pew, was there for 

2016
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,960
service, being a St. 
And nothing's wrong with that. 

2017
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,120
I think a lot of us are called 
to be ministers in a different 

2018
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:12,400
way that we don't see where, you
know, you come to church and you

2019
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,800
support your local congregation.
You go out in the world and when

2020
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,120
you're out in the world, you're 
showing the light of Jesus. 

2021
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:20,440
If you go your whole life and 
that's what you're doing, 

2022
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,200
there's absolutely nothing wrong
with that calling at all. 

2023
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,280
Sometimes we over hype a bunch 
of stuff and put too much 

2024
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,640
pressure on ourselves. 
You know, not everybody's going 

2025
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,800
to be called to go start a 
church somewhere. 

2026
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,480
Not everybody's going to be 
called to be an evangelist or 

2027
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:34,920
worship leader or anything like 
that. 

2028
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,800
But I kept praying and kept 
praying and then had enough 

2029
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:44,520
people come up to me asking 
about, Hey, you should get back 

2030
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,000
in, in into singing up in church
and all. 

2031
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:51,280
And I was like, no, because see,
I just did that for a long time 

2032
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,440
playing shows where it was all 
about me. 

2033
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:57,120
So like, it's going to be a hard
shift to do that. 

2034
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,800
But overtime prayed about it a 
whole lot, spoke to some 

2035
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,080
spiritual leaders in my life and
was like, OK, I'm to a place 

2036
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,120
with my ego and I hope I'm 
maintaining that. 

2037
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:12,840
That's the biggest thing is 
maintaining that too, getting 

2038
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:14,720
back in there. 
And then every Sunday we were 

2039
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:16,320
playing guitar, singing and 
everything. 

2040
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,240
It's still not a show like I've 
played in the past. 

2041
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:22,160
It's worship, you know, it's 
getting in there with the right 

2042
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:26,400
mindset and using the people 
around you as well to come 

2043
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:42,320
together in community for. 
You're gonna have to cut all 

2044
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,600
that. 
Now you get going. 

2045
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:46,840
I'm sorry, at the moment I just 
couldn't pass it up. 

2046
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:51,800
Stupid. 
Forget any. 

2047
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,320
No, no, no. 
You were going so strong, I did 

2048
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:57,040
not need to mess you up. 
I don't even know what happened.

2049
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,360
I just saw you guys like. 
No, he'd step like he got hit in

2050
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:01,720
the cord and I was like. 
I didn't even hear it in my 

2051
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:04,720
monitor so it didn't matter 
because this is our expensive 

2052
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:06,840
mic so. 
They probably never even got 

2053
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,240
picked up. 
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't hear 

2054
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:14,760
it. 
But he's like, all right, break,

2055
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:17,760
go. 
OK, let me rope it back in here.

2056
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:23,720
OK, I want to, I want to set the
stage for a a moment between me 

2057
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,600
and you that I don't even know 
if you remember, but it affected

2058
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,640
me a lot. 
So first what I want to, I kind 

2059
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:28,880
of want to get a little bit 
into. 

2060
01:43:30,440 --> 01:43:32,960
So you've you've you've kind of 
talked about a little bit. 

2061
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:37,760
You, you walked away, don't have
to go into details about that. 

2062
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:42,480
Just, you know, things happened.
Well, you can if you want to go 

2063
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:47,160
into detail of it, but you, you 
come back and, and a lot of 

2064
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:48,320
things are going through your 
mind. 

2065
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:51,880
A lot of things happen. 
Like I said, you don't have to 

2066
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,600
go into everything, but I do 
want to hear a little bit about 

2067
01:43:54,600 --> 01:44:00,160
what, what brought you back And 
while you had walked away, were 

2068
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,600
there points where you felt like
God had tried to reach out to 

2069
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,280
you? 
Try to He made it known that 

2070
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:11,240
even though you weren't, I'm not
going to say caring, but even 

2071
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:14,280
though you weren't there, he 
kind of reminded you like, even 

2072
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:16,400
though you don't care about me, 
I still care about you kind of 

2073
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,640
thing. 
Yeah, and forsake of time we we 

2074
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,760
won't go into everything, but 
shoot, I could fill two hours of

2075
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,000
a podcast on this alone and 
annoyingly so. 

2076
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:30,200
I'll tell you that I I straight 
up left the church. 

2077
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:34,560
It was a slow degradation of I 
want to be this, you know, in 

2078
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,600
the church and having every bit 
of a quote UN quote birthright 

2079
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,560
to pursue that. 
Like, I'll be honest with you, 

2080
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:46,960
had I stayed in church and 
pursued stuff in the right way, 

2081
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:51,240
went for a license or whatnot, 
because of being involved as 

2082
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,240
much as I was as a teenager and 
whatnot, I probably could have 

2083
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,560
picked up different positions in
different areas, even statewide 

2084
01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,760
or whatnot. 
And that was absolutely my 

2085
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:04,320
desire was like, hey, I can do 
this kind of play it almost like

2086
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,400
a career less like that. 
And because you make it all 

2087
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,360
about yourself, you know, that's
where it starts falling apart. 

2088
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:15,200
So when I walked away, it was 
100% because like music's always

2089
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:19,480
been a huge part of my life. 
And at first when we left, it 

2090
01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:21,680
wasn't necessarily, oh, don't 
believe in God. 

2091
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:25,240
I don't believe in everything 
that you say is a church, you 

2092
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:27,520
know, but like, I still believe 
in God. 

2093
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,600
But I'm going to go play music. 
Like I said, I'm going to make a

2094
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,240
career in music because I love 
it. 

2095
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:36,520
It makes so much sense. 
Went up to Nashville to do that,

2096
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:41,440
got out, played a whole bunch of
bars, a whole bunch of shows and

2097
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:46,440
different stuff pursuing that. 
And along the way, it was funny 

2098
01:45:46,440 --> 01:45:50,840
because like I was working 
playing shows and then Uber and 

2099
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,400
also to make money because 
Nashville is expensive, right? 

2100
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:58,400
And as far as coming back to 
God, we won't dive into even 

2101
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,520
being lost in the wilderness too
much and everything. 

2102
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:03,720
But like, you want to talk about
a God that pursues you. 

2103
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,840
And I think that's why, you 
know, Reckless Love, the song 

2104
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:11,760
where he's talking about. 
That leaves the 99 feels like 

2105
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,080
that so much, but in it when 
when you leave and you're like, 

2106
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:18,800
now I'm done, you know, like I'm
kind of just rolling with life. 

2107
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,920
It's annoying when God comes 
knocking back on your door, but 

2108
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,560
I can't tell you the amount of 
times I'd be Ubering. 

2109
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,600
And so like Cohen was just a 
baby at this time. 

2110
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:33,440
Caitlin's in Nashville and in 
Nashville, we did go to first 

2111
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:37,720
church the, the UPC church up 
there a handful of times. 

2112
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:44,040
And it was not because of my 
wife that we only went a handful

2113
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:45,240
of times. 
It was because of me. 

2114
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:48,560
I was fighting her a whole lot 
on that, like, Hey, I don't know

2115
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:49,920
about the church. 
We're going to do whatever. 

2116
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,800
And she was insistent that like,
not just us, but our kids, she's

2117
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:58,560
like for our kids, I really want
them to, to grow up in a church.

2118
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,680
She's like, you got to figure it
out regardless. 

2119
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,560
I don't care. 
But like, we've got to go to 

2120
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,560
church for them. 
You know, she's like, right now 

2121
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:08,960
he's one, but I want you to know
as he keeps growing up that 

2122
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,200
that's going to always be a 
priority for me. 

2123
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,480
And I was like, she's going to 
grow out of that in time. 

2124
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,600
So I'll just give her a little 
bit of time. 

2125
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:21,600
There's two points though that 
I'll, I'll sum it up really 

2126
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:25,160
quick and then get to the third 
where I did feel like an audible

2127
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:29,280
voice. 
But I was Uber in one night and 

2128
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,200
this older gentleman gets in and
I had just dropped off like a 

2129
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,240
load of frat boys or something 
and they were all getting drunk 

2130
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,960
and stuff and partying up. 
And that was cool. 

2131
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:41,280
And then I pick up this one dude
at a hotel in Nashville and he 

2132
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:45,240
had a little cross necklace on 
and I was like, oh, that's cool.

2133
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:48,040
And he had a Bible in hand. 
I'm like, dude, this is 10 O 

2134
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:49,720
clock in Nashville, what are you
doing? 

2135
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,280
He was in town for a church 
conference. 

2136
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:54,200
He's always talking about. 
I'm like, wow, that's 

2137
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:55,960
interesting, not wanting to talk
at all. 

2138
01:47:56,360 --> 01:47:59,720
And then he kept talking about 
God, ask about my life. 

2139
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:02,960
And I'm like, yeah, I was raised
Christian, you know, I don't 

2140
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:04,840
know what denomination he was or
anything. 

2141
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:06,640
Didn't try to speak too much 
with him. 

2142
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:11,240
And he starts talking about how,
man, God is always there for us,

2143
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,800
you know, even when we don't 
want them and all this stuff. 

2144
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,960
And I'm like, well, OK, why? 
Why are you talking about this, 

2145
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,880
buddy? 
But he kept on going on and on. 

2146
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:21,720
And I listen to him. 
I'm like, OK, cuz for one, 

2147
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:23,640
you're not going to be rude. 
I mean, the dude controls like 

2148
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:25,120
your tip and everything and your
rating. 

2149
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:27,200
So I was like, all right, you, 
you keep talking. 

2150
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,600
And then he left and he's like, 
do you mind? 

2151
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:32,920
I get your name? 
I'm like, yeah, it's Kobe, Kobe 

2152
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:34,760
Penton. 
And he's like, you know, Kobe, 

2153
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,480
I'm going to keep you in my 
prayers cuz he's like, God's 

2154
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:38,240
going to do great things in your
life. 

2155
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,120
I'm like, all right. 
I mean, praying is never a bad 

2156
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,400
thing. 
You have at it, Joe. 

2157
01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:45,760
That's fine with me. 
You know, another night, there 

2158
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,000
were several times where 
Christian people got in my car 

2159
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,160
as an Uber and they just wanted 
to talk about God. 

2160
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,520
And I'm like, bro, I do not want
to talk about God. 

2161
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,920
If y'all don't mind leaving me 
alone one night that it feels 

2162
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,400
like it's literally God saw on 
the path to Damascus. 

2163
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:04,800
Very annoyingly so. 
OK, I was riding out making buku

2164
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,040
money in Nashville doing these 
things and I get one request and

2165
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,880
it's downtown Nashville. 
And the dude comes up and he's 

2166
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:16,000
like, man, I'm going to tip you 
$100, OK, Because it's very far.

2167
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,680
But if you take the ride, he's 
like, it may close you out for 

2168
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:21,160
the night, but I'm going to give
you $100 tip no matter what. 

2169
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:23,920
And I'm like, OK, cool. 
I'm probably going to go home 

2170
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,120
after this anyways. 
And he was South of 

2171
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:29,240
Murfreesboro, which is about an 
hour and 15 minute drive. 

2172
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:34,040
We get into there, he's talking 
about his job for 5 minutes. 

2173
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,240
And then the next hour and 10 
minutes, it's like sitting with 

2174
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:40,440
a Christian psychologist and 
this guy starting to talk to me 

2175
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:44,040
about everything. 
And so I broke into, I laid it 

2176
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,520
all out on like, oh, these are 
my problems with God and 

2177
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,560
religion. 
And I've got to a place where 

2178
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:53,600
I'm like, I don't know if God's 
real, almost agnostic. 

2179
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,520
You know, we're like, I don't 
know if God's real. 

2180
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,360
If he does, he probably doesn't 
care about me. 

2181
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,720
So I'm not sure. 
And then he started diving in 

2182
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:06,480
hard into a bunch of scripture 
contexts and all, and I'm like, 

2183
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,120
bro, I know the Bible. 
I was raising this hardcore and 

2184
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:13,000
everything. 
And we left there and when we 

2185
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,920
get to his house to pull up, we 
stayed in the car talking 20 

2186
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:17,640
more minutes. 
And for whatever reason, man, I 

2187
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:22,640
was on edge with him. 
And I remember him saying that 

2188
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:28,280
verse again, that if he'll leave
the 99 to come after the one. 

2189
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:31,320
And that just been a theme that 
been coming at me like a freight

2190
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,160
train. 
Skip forward a little bit. 

2191
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:35,800
And this was like the pinnacle 
moment for me. 

2192
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:39,720
And I'll be brief. 
I apologize, but I had to travel

2193
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,440
out of town for work. 
So we had moved back to Ardmore,

2194
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,960
still weren't coming to church 
and all that was like, hey, and 

2195
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:47,880
you know what? 
Props to my parents because they

2196
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:51,120
never push the issue no matter 
what. 

2197
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:53,400
You know, they wanted to see us 
go to church and everything, but

2198
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,680
they weren't like, you need to 
go to church or you're going to 

2199
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:58,360
hell or something, you know, and
really tried to hound that in. 

2200
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:01,240
They kind of kept a good 
distance. 

2201
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,160
And I think it was through a lot
of prayer that they were like, 

2202
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:08,520
he's going to find his way back,
you know, lots of prayer while 

2203
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:14,200
we're sitting there. 
And my uncle had passed 

2204
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:19,280
November, I want to say November
10th, three years ago. 

2205
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:25,840
And a month prior to him 
passing, he'd sent me this song 

2206
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,240
by Larry Fleet called Where I 
Find God. 

2207
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,920
And it was a country song and I 
listened to it and was still 

2208
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:35,120
annoyed because I'm like Eric's 
on talking about God. 

2209
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,480
Every time I went down to 
Louisiana, Cohen would be awake 

2210
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:41,000
at 5:30. 
I'd get up with him, let Caitlin

2211
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,440
sleep, and Eric would be the 
only one that was awake. 

2212
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:47,000
And my uncle Eric, we'd sit and 
talk about everything, LSU, 

2213
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:50,120
football, politics, and then 
he'd get into God at some point.

2214
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:57,400
So we had just been down there 
about a month before before he'd

2215
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,480
passed, and he'd sent me that 
song after we went and it was 

2216
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:03,680
just where I find God. 
And at the time I just kind of 

2217
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:08,760
blew it off and all. 
And then we got a call November 

2218
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:10,440
10th. 
I remember I was out doing a job

2219
01:52:10,440 --> 01:52:17,480
and all, and my mom called me 
and she'd said your Uncle Eric 

2220
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:21,320
was in an accident, OK? 
And I was like, oh God, is he 

2221
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,160
OK? 
And she's like, we don't know. 

2222
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:28,240
And me, Eric, if you knew his 
life, he'd been in a lot of 

2223
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:31,920
accidents, lots of issues all 
the time. 

2224
01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:34,240
And dude was always getting out 
of it. 

2225
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:38,840
So I didn't even super put it in
other than like man, he's 

2226
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,840
probably hurt going to be down 
for a little while you know is 

2227
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,000
what I was thinking. 
I'm like that sucks for Uncle 

2228
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:48,000
Eric. 
And then I remember I was like, 

2229
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,080
OK, well I'm on the job as soon 
as you get info call me back. 

2230
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:54,640
And I I went back and was doing 
what I need to do, come back to 

2231
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,880
the corner. 
I sat for like 3 minutes and 

2232
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,200
what not doing some paperwork. 
And then she calls me back and 

2233
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:05,360
she told me that we lost him, 
that they got there, that he was

2234
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:10,920
gone, and that that that 
shattered me right there. 

2235
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:15,440
Because for one, I didn't think 
that it could happen. 

2236
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:19,320
Dude was undefeatable. 
Nothing can get him. 

2237
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:26,680
And immediately I was extremely 
angry at God, the guy that he 

2238
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:28,840
served, you know, that I wasn't 
serving at all. 

2239
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:33,960
But I'm like, man, you've seen 
Eric through so much and now 

2240
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:37,320
he's at this spot where he's 
wanting to retire soon and ride 

2241
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:39,040
out the rest of his life with 
his wife. 

2242
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,240
And then boom, you just take 
them like that. 

2243
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:45,880
And I have not a prayer session,
but like the book of Job had it 

2244
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:50,720
out with God. 
This is why I'm not coming back.

2245
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:53,800
This dude served you his whole 
life and now he's dead and I'm 

2246
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:59,160
just in shambles and tears all 
but cussing God about what he's 

2247
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:01,400
let happen. 
And it it did though, sparked 

2248
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:04,520
something interesting in me 
where I'm like, I guess I do 

2249
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:07,840
still believe in God because I'm
taking it out on him. 

2250
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:12,720
I still had nothing to do with 
God after that. 

2251
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,760
We went to his funeral and 
everything and I was tore up. 

2252
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:17,600
I was in shambles. 
I was in a dark place in life 

2253
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:19,280
because I didn't really think 
that could happen. 

2254
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:29,080
My three months later, I was 
over the road working and I was 

2255
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:31,120
in a hotel room. 
I had to be away from the family

2256
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:35,400
for five days, right? 
And so night 1 gets there. 

2257
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,760
I was just playing Xbox, didn't 
care, haven't care in the world.

2258
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,280
I'm like, this is cool away from
the family. 

2259
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,960
I'm just going to play Xbox, 
chill out, call friends, 

2260
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:43,760
whatever, stay up late, eat some
food. 

2261
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:49,720
Second night I go to turn on the
game, don't have any desire to 

2262
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:51,080
play it. 
I'm like, this is stupid. 

2263
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:57,040
I don't know if I'm homesick or 
whatever and all so I continue 

2264
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,960
on with the evening. 
Don't even want to eat or 

2265
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,840
anything. 
It's about 9:00 at night and I'm

2266
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,360
like, you know what, forget it. 
I'm just going to go to bed. 

2267
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:09,800
I get to scrolling on on TikTok 
and a video of a comedian pops 

2268
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:12,360
up. 
Guy probably not a great 

2269
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,000
comedian at all. 
And this is funny. 

2270
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,080
You want to know how God works 
and how how dumb it can be and 

2271
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,520
how he reaches you exactly where
you're at. 

2272
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,920
Comedian pops up and he's 
talking about like, I feel sorry

2273
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:25,880
for atheist. 
He's like, because you know, you

2274
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:29,400
get in danger and all we 
immediately say, oh, God repair 

2275
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:31,840
to God. 
He's like, but atheist, you get 

2276
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:35,040
in trouble, you got nothing. 
Like close your eyes. 

2277
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:39,000
It's a big mess of nothing. 
And then that really hit me for 

2278
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,120
whatever reason, I'm laughing 
and everything at 1st and then 

2279
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:44,000
I'm laying in bed and I cut the 
phone off and I'm like, all 

2280
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:47,240
right, I'm going to sit there. 
And then I'm like, man, do I 

2281
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,800
believe in nothing? 
You know, do I believe in 

2282
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:52,480
absolutely nothing? 
That we die Worm food, it's 

2283
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:53,680
over. 
This is it. 

2284
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,080
And so my uncle Eric worm food 
right now, it's over. 

2285
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:59,480
Is that what I believe? 
And that wrecked me too, because

2286
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:04,880
I'm like God, I started thinking
God, I don't, I'm not worried 

2287
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,320
about me too much, but like, I 
really want to know that my 

2288
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:14,040
uncle is in a good spot, you 
know, felt a really big desire 

2289
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:16,400
to pray. 
And so I didn't, I was like, I'm

2290
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,400
going to go to sleep and I go to
sleep. 

2291
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:21,680
Couldn't, took melatonin, 
couldn't go to sleep. 

2292
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:25,800
I did 100 push ups just to try 
and get some stimulation to go 

2293
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,600
to sleep and I couldn't. 
And I finally broke down and was

2294
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,480
like, all right, God, we're 
going to do this. 

2295
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:36,400
I'm not, I'm not going to commit
or whatnot and all, but I do, I 

2296
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,440
do believe in you and I want you
to start showing me. 

2297
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:40,240
If you're real, I want you to 
show. 

2298
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:46,040
If you care about me, I want you
to show me the next bit of 

2299
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:51,520
transpiring of events in my life
of random conversations I had 

2300
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,440
that popped up out of nowhere. 
It was to a point where like 

2301
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,800
couldn't deny it. 
People I didn't know believed in

2302
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:58,400
God started talking to me about 
it. 

2303
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:02,720
My whole TikTok feed turned into
Jesus edits which was super 

2304
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:05,880
annoying too because you're like
man, my God, he's everywhere, 

2305
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:09,360
He's everywhere. 
But I finally caved and I think 

2306
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:14,240
the biggest part for me was, OK,
God, I said, look, we were in a 

2307
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:15,920
bad spot financially and 
everything. 

2308
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:18,920
You know, I was like, I'm 
putting this in your hands. 

2309
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:22,880
All right, I'm going to take my 
hands off of it because I've 

2310
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,520
pretty much made a big mess of 
where I'm at right now. 

2311
01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:28,200
We're going to start going to 
church again and then see what 

2312
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:31,520
you do. 
I think about 3 weeks into 

2313
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:36,240
coming to church, I had a moment
in the altar where I felt the 

2314
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:39,440
spirit of God over me again, 
like I was 12 years old man. 

2315
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:43,520
And, and that is that undeniable
presence of God that you just 

2316
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,720
can't fight. 
And I was again in shambles, 

2317
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:47,200
man. 
I'm like God and I've always 

2318
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:49,520
been emotional. 
We're like, I just feel that so 

2319
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:53,680
heavy. 
And I said right there, God, if 

2320
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:55,840
I'm coming back to you, it's not
going to be about me this time. 

2321
01:57:56,040 --> 01:57:57,480
It's going to be about you 
completely. 

2322
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,840
I'm going to devote my life to 
you, and I'm just going to focus

2323
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:02,360
on you. 
And so as far as the calling 

2324
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:04,160
goes, that's where I'm still at 
right now. 

2325
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:06,000
Because it's not about me, it's 
about God. 

2326
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:07,760
Right now. 
I'm being involved in the 

2327
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,520
worship team some, and I'm 
grateful for that opportunity. 

2328
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,880
And I'm going to keep doing the 
best I can to make it not about 

2329
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:15,760
me, right? 
And if it gets to a point where 

2330
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:18,560
it's ever about me, then I'm 
going to stop because it doesn't

2331
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,600
need to be about me. 
And I think that's the biggest 

2332
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:24,600
part of the calling is the 
breakdown of that is be in that 

2333
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:27,520
vessel that's willing to say, 
hey, I don't need that light 

2334
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:30,080
down moment because I had that 
moment where he reached down. 

2335
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:36,720
And there's a lot of regrets and
sins in my life that I, I have a

2336
01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:41,600
lot of remorse for, right? 
But then having a God that loves

2337
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:46,480
you enough that no matter what, 
man, you come back here and God 

2338
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:48,680
has put that all under the blood
for me. 

2339
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:50,320
And it's like the old hymn 
ghost. 

2340
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,560
And I think that's the biggest 
thing growing up in it. 

2341
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:56,040
It's like, oh, we're so blessed 
because we just happened to be 

2342
01:58:56,040 --> 01:59:00,160
one of the lottery winners who 
got all the truth and we're in 

2343
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:03,960
this thing and all. 
And I feel like growing up, I 

2344
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:09,760
never had that awesome respect 
for the cross, for Jesus Christ 

2345
01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:11,960
coming down here and shedding 
his blood for us. 

2346
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:15,880
And then when I went out and did
a whole lot of sin in myself and

2347
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:22,160
then to say, hey, the prodigal 
son, I had it all go out, waste 

2348
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:25,680
my inheritance and then come 
back and nothing changes with 

2349
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:27,800
him. 
His promise remains the same 

2350
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:30,640
that it doesn't matter. 
Every time I'm I'm praying at 

2351
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:33,120
night now, I have an attitude of
thankfulness. 

2352
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:35,640
I'm thankful that God cared 
enough about me to put these 

2353
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:40,000
guys that were so annoying in my
Uber to keep having Jesus said 

2354
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:43,440
it's on my TikTok to reach me in
a hotel room when I couldn't 

2355
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:47,320
fall asleep. 
It's those little moments that 

2356
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:50,760
really captivate you. 
And I will say that I think as 

2357
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:55,560
on it, it is heartbreaking. 
But my uncle's death I think led

2358
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:59,600
me and my cousin back to God 
because it started a chain 

2359
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:03,160
reaction of why was Eric the way
he was? 

2360
02:00:03,240 --> 02:00:06,880
Because he left a impact on his 
community, you know? 

2361
02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:12,600
And then he was one of the 
greatest guys that you you could

2362
02:00:12,600 --> 02:00:17,640
ever look up to. 
Losing him was a huge moment in 

2363
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:21,440
retrospect for me and my cousin 
both coming back to the Lord. 

2364
02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:24,280
And good Lord willing, we're 
going to stay in the face and 

2365
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:27,320
it's going to be uphill, 
downhill every now and then. 

2366
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:31,080
It's mountains and its valleys. 
But keeping your eyes on heaven 

2367
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:35,640
is where I'm at right now. 
Do you remember, I don't know 

2368
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,280
when, but after you had come 
back, do you remember a a Sunday

2369
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:42,280
where I went and grabbed you and
pulled you up to the altar? 

2370
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:44,800
Yeah, I do. 
That was annoying too. 

2371
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,480
Yeah. 
So that was annoying to me too. 

2372
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:49,720
So I'll be, I'll be transparent 
with you here and I hope I can 

2373
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:53,880
get through this. 
But I was, I was kind of going 

2374
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:57,360
through something in my own head
that was similar to what I think

2375
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:59,360
you were going through or what I
know you were going through. 

2376
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:04,880
And that I hated my job. 
I hated where I was in life. 

2377
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:11,320
And I so badly, so badly was 
like, I want to find something 

2378
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:16,920
that is my career that I can 
love it and it will provide like

2379
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:20,600
I want to find that. 
And I was so jealous of people 

2380
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:23,600
who played music. 
I was so jealous of people who 

2381
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:27,560
were like content creators. 
And I was like, I just, I want, 

2382
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:34,520
I want that. 
But I remember that Sunday and I

2383
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:36,520
want to tell you why this was so
important to me. 

2384
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:39,240
But I remember that Sunday at 
when that was all happening 

2385
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:46,560
while I was so in it praying for
that, God stopped me from 

2386
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,440
thinking about me and He 
immediately started dealing with

2387
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:54,040
me about you. 
And the whole time I'm thinking 

2388
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:57,600
why? 
And God was like this. 

2389
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:00,960
It's one of those times where 
it's like it wasn't audible, but

2390
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:07,200
it was close and it was, it was 
God was like what you're going, 

2391
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:09,480
what you're dealing with, 
Colby's dealing with that. 

2392
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:12,440
You guys are dealing with the 
same thing. 

2393
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:16,640
And it was one of those 
everything you guys have been 

2394
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,440
through. 
So to preface, preface that when

2395
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:26,440
I first came back, you were the 
one who first like took that 

2396
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:30,720
initiative with me, picking me 
up from my house, bringing me to

2397
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:33,480
the music practices, bringing me
to church, to the school. 

2398
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,200
Even though I know you didn't 
want to do it, you still did it.

2399
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,880
So I remembered that, but God 
told me he was like, y'all are 

2400
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:42,200
going through the same thing. 
You're both dealing with the 

2401
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:45,600
same thing and it was never 
intended for people to deal with

2402
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:47,880
things alone. 
You would I was never my 

2403
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:49,400
intention. 
So he told me that he was like, 

2404
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:53,240
you guys are supposed you're 
supposed to be like that. 

2405
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:56,240
And so God was telling us like, 
I want, you need to go get him 

2406
02:02:56,240 --> 02:03:00,320
and you need to go pray. 
And I didn't want to do it. 

2407
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:02,880
I remember thinking, this is 
just me. 

2408
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:06,120
This is not God. 
I don't make that kind of a 

2409
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,360
difference. 
And God would not stop it. 

2410
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:13,000
I mean, I, it was, it was like, 
no, you need to go do it. 

2411
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:16,200
And I remember looking back and 
I won't drop a name, but I 

2412
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:19,000
remember looking back at you and
it looked like you were kind of 

2413
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,320
feeling something, but I didn't 
know. 

2414
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:23,080
And I didn't want to get, I 
didn't want to go to the altar. 

2415
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:25,200
I don't want to go anywhere near
there because I didn't want 

2416
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:28,520
people surrounding me and I 
didn't want to go and get you 

2417
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,320
and you be like, what are you 
doing? 

2418
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,040
And get mad at me. 
Like I was like, I don't want 

2419
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:35,720
him to get mad at me. 
But I look back and then someone

2420
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:37,600
walked up to you and they 
started talking to you and 

2421
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:40,320
praying to you. 
And I thought, there you go, 

2422
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:43,320
God, you took care of it. 
Everything's good now you can 

2423
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:46,320
get off my mind. 
And God was like, no, that's not

2424
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,240
the person that I want doing 
this. 

2425
02:03:48,640 --> 02:03:50,960
This is your thing. 
And when he walked away and 

2426
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:54,600
nothing changed, it was like 
God, I mean, he, he dealt with 

2427
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:58,480
me so hard about you and it was 
like I was angry because of 

2428
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:02,560
myself, but it was you. 
He was like, I just, you need to

2429
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:05,040
do this. 
You do not want to come before 

2430
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:08,640
me in heaven and you not do 
this. 

2431
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:10,720
Trust me. 
And that was like a fear thing 

2432
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:12,240
because that's how God deals 
with me a lot. 

2433
02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:14,480
I'm going to be honest, He's got
to scare me sometimes. 

2434
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:18,880
So anyways, when I went over 
there to you man, I was like, I 

2435
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:21,680
told you that when I first 
started Apprentice said God has 

2436
02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:23,960
told me that me and you are 
dealing with the same thing and 

2437
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:28,360
we need to pray together. 
And I, I felt like when I, when 

2438
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:32,280
we went up there and we prayed, 
I was like 2 things. 

2439
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:36,320
At first I was like, Colby is 
going to wring my neck because 

2440
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:39,880
sure enough, before I knew it, 
instead of it just being me and 

2441
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:43,200
you, we had like everybody, I 
could hear everybody. 

2442
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:45,560
I was like, Colby's going to 
kill me, so he's going to kill 

2443
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:49,320
me when we get out of here. 
But after we prayed, I really 

2444
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:54,120
felt like at that moment some 
kind something, not only was it 

2445
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:57,360
lifted off of you, but I felt 
like it was lifted off of me as 

2446
02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,480
well. 
So that's one of the things that

2447
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:01,440
I definitely like. 
It was that moment that it was 

2448
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:08,720
like, it's not about me at that 
moment, but by me, but by you 

2449
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:12,080
getting what you needed. 
I felt like I got it too. 

2450
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,160
Yeah. 
So I knew what my perspective 

2451
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:17,080
was on that moment. 
And I was, I just was like, it 

2452
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:18,520
was one of the things I wanted 
to talk to you about. 

2453
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:21,120
So I was like, I wonder what 
your perspective was when I did 

2454
02:05:21,120 --> 02:05:23,960
that because I I was fully 
expecting you to be angry with 

2455
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:26,200
me and say no. 
Well, what's funny? 

2456
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:29,880
OK, that's the moment I'm 
talking about when we came back 

2457
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:33,880
to church and everything but but
the reason too is like I'm a 

2458
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:37,520
fleece guy also make no make 
make make no mistake on it. 

2459
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,080
And I remember sitting there and
thinking to myself, I was like, 

2460
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:46,520
I'm not going up and praying. 
That's what I said. 

2461
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,640
I'm like, I'm not doing that. 
I said the same thing. 

2462
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:50,560
Yeah. 
I was like, I don't know if I'm 

2463
02:05:50,640 --> 02:05:52,600
like, whatever. 
And I was like, I'm not going to

2464
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:55,000
let anybody either because 
here's the deal. 

2465
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:58,120
Let's be so for real. 
If Matt comes up and prays for 

2466
02:05:58,120 --> 02:06:01,840
me, I expect that I'm like, all 
right, I'm not going up to the 

2467
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:04,040
front for Matt. 
He can sit here and pray for me 

2468
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:08,200
if he wants, if other people 
that are more exuberant come up.

2469
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:12,400
And I think the thing for you 
that it, it really happened 

2470
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:15,600
where I was like, God, if you 
really want me to like pray and 

2471
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:18,280
have some breakthrough, then 
kind of give me a sign of it. 

2472
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:23,240
And when you walked over a dude 
who does not do that at all, I 

2473
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:26,240
was like, well, I mean, if 
Johnny's going to go up, I guess

2474
02:06:26,240 --> 02:06:28,960
I'm going to pray with Johnny 
because this is pretty out of 

2475
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:33,080
the norm that that's one of 
those moments too, where when 

2476
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:36,280
you came over and even Caitlyn, 
because I, I, I'm such a 

2477
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:39,520
negative person a lot of times. 
And I told Caitlin beforehand, I

2478
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:41,720
wasn't even going up front. 
I'm like, I'm not doing the 

2479
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:44,360
whole ultra call stuff. 
I was like, I'm probably going 

2480
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:47,440
to do like my Papa used to do 
and just walk out once all of 

2481
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:49,160
that starts. 
And she was like, you're not 

2482
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,800
going to do that. 
She's like, that's embarrassing.

2483
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:55,040
And I'm like, OK, well, I'll 
stick around, but I'm not going 

2484
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:58,880
up front. 
And then she said, I hope 

2485
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:02,520
someone that you don't expect 
comes up to you and pulls you up

2486
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:05,200
there. 
And I'm like, well, would you 

2487
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:06,840
look at that? 
No. 

2488
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:09,400
But that was a huge moment 
coming back because anytime you 

2489
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:13,120
come back, when you leave a 
church and come back, it's 

2490
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:14,360
weird. 
It's weird. 

2491
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:17,240
People that you grow up with 
too. 

2492
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:20,760
And I think it's difficult 
sometimes when you are growing 

2493
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:23,160
up and you mature into different
roles because people can 

2494
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:27,440
sometimes see you still for who 
you were, you know, from the 

2495
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,680
time you were 10 and on, You 
know, think about your mom. 

2496
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:33,840
She's known us forever, it's 
probably hard for her to see us 

2497
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:37,160
as 30 almost 30 somethings for 
y'all. 

2498
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:43,360
Not quite there but it coming 
back. 

2499
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:47,080
I think that was instrumental 
moment for me where it's like I 

2500
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:50,960
was coming to life gate halfway 
to appease my dad so he could 

2501
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:52,800
see his grandkids at church some
and all. 

2502
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:56,200
And I kept thinking, if we're 
going to come back to church, 

2503
02:07:56,200 --> 02:07:58,800
it's probably not going to be 
here, but we'll visit for a 

2504
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,360
little while, you know, because 
it's hard to go back. 

2505
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,360
People know you what, not all of
that. 

2506
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:07,840
That moment really solidified it
for me where it's like, hey, 

2507
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:11,040
this can still be a place for 
you, for you to do all the 

2508
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:13,920
growing you need to do. 
So thank you for listening to 

2509
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:17,840
God on that one. 
I'm glad I I never knew if it 

2510
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,800
meant as much to that. 
That's why I wanted to ask like 

2511
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:21,760
I never knew if it meant as much
as you as it did to me. 

2512
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:25,120
But I mean as one of those 
moments that I'll never forget 

2513
02:08:25,120 --> 02:08:29,040
because I'm telling you there 
God impresses on me a lot. 

2514
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:31,280
And, and I can, I can know 
because it's just the thought 

2515
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:33,560
that I wouldn't think. 
But there are a few times where 

2516
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:37,040
I really feel like he shakes me 
to my core to where it's, it's, 

2517
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:38,800
it's, you know what I mean? 
It's the difference there where 

2518
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:41,760
it's like, if it could have been
audible, it would have been 

2519
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,120
audible kind of thing. 
And it's just was one of those 

2520
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:46,160
where it really shook me to 
this, my core. 

2521
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,440
And I want to let you know that 
that's what he told me as we was

2522
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,520
dealing with me with because I 
didn't want to go up there. 

2523
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:55,480
I didn't want to go. 
I still it is hard for me 

2524
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:59,040
because I am that person that is
a deer in headlights. 

2525
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:01,240
There may be nothing going wrong
in my life. 

2526
02:09:01,240 --> 02:09:04,320
Like I'm me, me, me and God 
could be like this, but 

2527
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:06,040
sometimes it happens. 
You go up there and you just 

2528
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,840
want to worship and you just get
you just people just start, man.

2529
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:12,800
You know, like I don't want you 
know, And I knew you were kind 

2530
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:14,760
of the same way. 
So in my head I just kept 

2531
02:09:14,760 --> 02:09:18,640
thinking, no, no, no, no. 
But I'm telling you, he told me,

2532
02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:21,800
he said you 2 are going through 
the same thing. 

2533
02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:24,600
You don't know it, but I know 
it. 

2534
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:25,760
You 2 are going through the same
thing. 

2535
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:30,280
And he told me said it was never
my intention for you guys to 

2536
02:09:30,280 --> 02:09:33,160
fight individually. 
Whatever battle is you're 

2537
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:35,720
fighting, it was always my 
intention for you to fight 

2538
02:09:35,720 --> 02:09:38,200
together. 
I need you to go do this. 

2539
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:40,160
And he hit me was like, it's not
about you. 

2540
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:44,000
That was a Sunday to where I 
felt like, man, I got to do this

2541
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:47,560
altar call. 
And it's not me that God has 

2542
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:50,840
hitting me hard about. 
So I will say that for you. 

2543
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:53,360
If you're talking about how God 
will will reach for you because 

2544
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:56,440
he did it for me too. 
But for that moment, I can tell 

2545
02:09:56,440 --> 02:10:00,600
you right then and there, I knew
God was working hard on you 

2546
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:03,480
because he he hit me hard on 
because I wasn't even thinking 

2547
02:10:03,480 --> 02:10:06,560
about you until I yeah, until 
that moment it was, it had 

2548
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:10,280
nothing. 
My life was so like me and then 

2549
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:12,800
it just, it just my whole 
mindset changed. 

2550
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:17,320
So that's how I know like not to
make you feel good, but God was 

2551
02:10:17,320 --> 02:10:21,480
God was really working on you 
because he hit me hard when I 

2552
02:10:21,480 --> 02:10:25,360
when that happened and it took 
every bone in my body to to 

2553
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:29,280
submit to that and be like, and 
I'll never feel like I said I'll

2554
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:30,920
never forget because there was 
one person. 

2555
02:10:30,920 --> 02:10:34,280
I won't drop his name. 
You know who it was, but there 

2556
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:37,560
was one person that walked up 
and I remember telling God you 

2557
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:39,080
took care of it. 
Yeah, thanks. 

2558
02:10:39,880 --> 02:10:42,240
Thanks for the shout out. 
Hey, it wasn't me, right? 

2559
02:10:42,240 --> 02:10:44,720
It wasn't me. 
This was all in my head, right? 

2560
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:46,600
Yeah. 
Got took care of it. 

2561
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:48,600
And then that guy walked away 
and nothing changed. 

2562
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:51,760
And God said and he, he came 
back to me. 

2563
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:53,920
He's like, that's not who I 
called to do this. 

2564
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:56,240
Yeah, that's not who I'm telling
to do this. 

2565
02:10:56,760 --> 02:10:59,200
It's on you. 
If you don't do it, it ain't 

2566
02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:01,040
going to happen and it's going 
to be on you. 

2567
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:07,120
And that's when it was like, oh,
remember that guy who came in 

2568
02:11:07,120 --> 02:11:10,560
and reached out to you when you 
were going, when when you were 

2569
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:15,800
in that situation, this, you 
know, kind of one of those, he 

2570
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:18,160
was your brother. 
Now it's time to go be his. 

2571
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:20,760
Yeah. 
So I'm glad. 

2572
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:23,280
I'm glad that resonated with you
the way that it did with me, 

2573
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:25,000
because else I would have been 
like, oh, it's kind of weird, 

2574
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:27,320
dude. 
No, no, but absolutely. 

2575
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:29,840
And I think like you, you 
mentioned earlier how it, it 

2576
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,640
felt like a burden lifted from 
you too. 

2577
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:33,680
And I think that's some of the 
beauty in it that I'm still 

2578
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:37,720
finding is that when we take it 
away from the focus on ourselves

2579
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:40,360
and we're like, how can I 
relieve someone else's issues? 

2580
02:11:40,360 --> 02:11:45,160
You know, it's wild how the 
weight gets lifted from you just

2581
02:11:45,160 --> 02:11:49,680
just speaking financially even. 
And I, and I'm by no means like 

2582
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:52,960
a prosperity gospel person, but 
like prior to coming back to 

2583
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:57,120
church, finances weren't 
financing, you know, we, we were

2584
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:59,360
struggling. 
And half of that was because I 

2585
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:02,640
was so devoted to making it in, 
in music. 

2586
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:04,840
And what I should have done is 
just hop on TikTok because 

2587
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:06,640
that's how those guys ended up 
blowing up. 

2588
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:10,000
But you know what, I did it the 
old fashioned way and put a 

2589
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:13,800
bunch of money into it, put a 
bunch of time and spend a lot of

2590
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:17,560
nights away from the family. 
You know, it's unfortunate. 

2591
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:21,320
And so I was dealing with that 
just as a human on being away 

2592
02:12:21,320 --> 02:12:27,240
from my family and all of that. 
But when we came back to church 

2593
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:30,360
and there was so much up in the 
air for a while there, we 

2594
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:32,840
thought about moving. 
And I, I still have a weird 

2595
02:12:32,840 --> 02:12:34,720
burden. 
You said burden, right? 

2596
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,560
I am surrounded by Hispanic 
people at work. 

2597
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:40,320
I've really picked up on 
Spanish. 

2598
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:45,120
We started a while back looking 
at residency in like Mexico and 

2599
02:12:45,120 --> 02:12:47,480
different stuff, still have that
still on the table. 

2600
02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:51,040
But you know, what we did was 
like, God, if you open doors, 

2601
02:12:51,160 --> 02:12:52,440
we're just going to roll through
it. 

2602
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:56,320
And now I'm on that mindset of, 
hey, whatever opens up, it's 

2603
02:12:56,320 --> 02:12:58,760
going to open up. 
And I'm really actually talking 

2604
02:12:58,760 --> 02:13:01,560
about receiving the Holy Ghost, 
putting it in God's hands. 

2605
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:04,080
Like financially, God, I'm a pay
ties. 

2606
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:07,920
And then you do with it what you
want and we'll see what happens.

2607
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:12,040
And since that time, I was in a 
place where I was struggling, 

2608
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,960
trying to make ends meet. 
And then God opened up a door 

2609
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:19,000
and it's 100% God. 
The timeline fell to a place 

2610
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:22,480
where I was laboring, being a 
construction worker and 

2611
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:25,840
operator. 
And then our project was ending 

2612
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,800
at a point where, hey, you got 
to find a job or you got to 

2613
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:30,960
start travelling. 
And I was like, God, I really 

2614
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:33,960
don't want to travel. 
You know, I wasn't at the place 

2615
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:35,520
in my life where that would be 
good for me. 

2616
02:13:36,640 --> 02:13:42,240
And then it just fell in my lap,
this position that was an 

2617
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:46,240
engineering position, doing 
inspecting work, doing the same 

2618
02:13:46,240 --> 02:13:48,360
type of work. 
I've been doing it all and my 

2619
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:51,720
salary doubled, right? 
Bills completely paid. 

2620
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,120
And it's a point now where it's 
like, be gracious with that. 

2621
02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:56,480
Don't overspend and do stupid 
stuff and everything. 

2622
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:01,400
But it's wild when you take your
hands off the wheel a little bit

2623
02:14:01,400 --> 02:14:04,960
like Carrie Underwood, how he 
really will drive that car for 

2624
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:07,040
you. 
And I think that's the biggest 

2625
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:10,760
thing for me to let losing 
control in a good way, letting 

2626
02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:15,320
go of control, staying faithful 
and working hard day-to-day and 

2627
02:14:15,320 --> 02:14:17,280
putting the work in. 
That's not saying, oh, I'm not 

2628
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:19,560
going to do anything. 
It's all up to God. 

2629
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:22,760
No, but you do what you can and 
don't try to force those open. 

2630
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:25,440
In our American Society a lot 
it's like, oh, if the door 

2631
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:27,840
doesn't open, you know, find a 
window and all, and that's cool.

2632
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:30,080
We've got that in business where
it's like, make it happen. 

2633
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:35,480
But for me now, whether it's 
ministry, whether it's my career

2634
02:14:35,480 --> 02:14:38,720
itself, it's like walking 
through those doors that God 

2635
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:42,600
opens genuinely and trusting 
that he has your best interests 

2636
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:44,800
at heart. 
Still, that's a lot of what I've

2637
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:47,080
learned. 
Thank you for listening to God 

2638
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:49,280
because that moment probably is 
the only reason we're at life. 

2639
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:52,640
Get honestly. 
Well, let me let me say one 

2640
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:58,240
thing I got I might connected on
this for Cam because you brought

2641
02:14:58,240 --> 02:14:59,840
up the story of the prodigal 
son. 

2642
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:03,080
And in that story, the other 
brother was not happy. 

2643
02:15:03,080 --> 02:15:06,200
When the when the one brother 
comes back, if you, if you if 

2644
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:08,040
you look into it, he was not 
happy. 

2645
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:14,400
I could be wrong and I'm not 
trying to make this super 

2646
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:17,040
emotional or whatever, or, or, 
or brown nose or anything. 

2647
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:19,880
But if there's one thing that I 
can appreciate from an outsider 

2648
02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:23,160
looking in a few things because 
we just put a lot of time on 

2649
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:24,840
Colby. 
So I'm I'm going to give you 

2650
02:15:24,840 --> 02:15:30,520
some attention. 
It is very, very, very 

2651
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:35,800
commendable for two, two things 
for for Cam, for how you've done

2652
02:15:35,800 --> 02:15:39,800
things these last few years. 
One, the fact that even though 

2653
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:43,840
Kobe was no longer there and 
things, there was a lot of 

2654
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:45,560
things that have moved and 
changed in your life. 

2655
02:15:45,560 --> 02:15:48,520
You never, I will say from an 
outsider looking in, and I could

2656
02:15:48,520 --> 02:15:52,120
be completely wrong. 
You never seem to waver as far 

2657
02:15:52,120 --> 02:15:54,640
as what you felt like you were 
to do. 

2658
02:15:54,640 --> 02:15:58,520
You were all I just, you were 
always here. 

2659
02:15:59,880 --> 02:16:02,280
Whoever was with you. 
It didn't matter that Lifegate 

2660
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:05,240
was your mission and that's 
super commendable. 

2661
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:08,880
The other thing is when Colby 
did come back and here and here 

2662
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:14,520
recently, you have not given off
that vibe of I'm the one that 

2663
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:16,520
didn't walk away. 
You know, I should get, you 

2664
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:21,400
know, whatever you've not cared.
It was as if it it was as if he 

2665
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:24,360
never left. 
And I think that's a very 

2666
02:16:24,360 --> 02:16:27,160
commendable thing from a 
legitimate, like you guys are 

2667
02:16:27,160 --> 02:16:31,640
literally brothers, but even 
from a spiritual side, because 

2668
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:33,959
you can, you know, the 
attention, you don't get that 

2669
02:16:33,959 --> 02:16:35,719
attention now that your 
brother's back. 

2670
02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:38,000
And it's, it's a big thing when 
someone comes back. 

2671
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,440
That is a prodigal story. 
It is a prodigal story. 

2672
02:16:42,520 --> 02:16:45,360
So however you might want to end
out that I do want to make sure 

2673
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:48,879
that that gets known for, for 
you that, you know, it's, it's 

2674
02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:53,879
commendable to, to not care 
about anything other than the 

2675
02:16:53,879 --> 02:16:58,680
fact of A, this is, this is my, 
this is my church. 

2676
02:16:58,680 --> 02:16:59,719
This is what I'm going to work 
on. 

2677
02:16:59,719 --> 02:17:04,480
And B, you know, you seem to be 
like my brother's back, not 

2678
02:17:04,480 --> 02:17:06,719
upset. 
It was like almost the same way 

2679
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:08,920
that the father was my brother's
back. 

2680
02:17:09,480 --> 02:17:12,440
We're a family again, kind. 
Of thing, no, absolutely. 

2681
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:19,680
He, he, he, my dad, everybody 
extremely gracious and 

2682
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:23,120
everything. 
Cameron especially, a lot of 

2683
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,360
times it can be that way because
I, I don't know his perspective 

2684
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:27,400
growing up and everything. 
Like I, I know that I was 

2685
02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:31,400
always, I'm more exuberant and 
everything and can sometimes 

2686
02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:34,799
take the spotlight like in this 
podcast, obviously. 

2687
02:17:35,879 --> 02:17:37,280
That's my fault. 
That's my fault. 

2688
02:17:37,680 --> 02:17:42,200
My bad, blame me. 
But no, I think that it's a huge

2689
02:17:42,200 --> 02:17:45,879
testament to him, his character 
and he gets super awkward when 

2690
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:49,559
you talk him up in any type of 
way, but it is, it's a, it's a 

2691
02:17:49,559 --> 02:17:52,920
true testament to his character.
And then also his faith in God 

2692
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:57,440
that it's bigger than any 
surface level. 

2693
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:04,280
I think he's so Kingdom minded 
in that there's more than just 

2694
02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:06,680
this life. 
And I think that was the biggest

2695
02:18:06,680 --> 02:18:09,320
response from that. 
And immediately, I mean, he, 

2696
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:13,280
when we came back, which we'd, 
we'd talked on and off just 

2697
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:15,120
about sports and stuff and 
everything when I was in 

2698
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:17,920
Nashville, but we come back and 
it's like you don't miss a beat 

2699
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:19,840
and everything. 
There's no animosity. 

2700
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:24,360
There's no worry about, oh, is 
this going to take anything away

2701
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:29,400
from him or whatnot and all just
completely gracious. 

2702
02:18:30,200 --> 02:18:34,799
Thank you both for, for, for 
saying that, you know, you know,

2703
02:18:36,559 --> 02:18:43,200
for me, I just, the big biggest 
thing is, you know, ultimately 

2704
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:47,799
in this life, if, if, if, you 
know, it just goes back to if, 

2705
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:51,160
if people, if I end up just 
being a footnote. 

2706
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:53,760
I'm like just saying like, I'm 
not, but if I end up being a 

2707
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:58,040
footnote in somebody's history, 
I don't care. 

2708
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:00,000
You know what I mean? 
Like I'm, I'm just being real. 

2709
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,879
Like if, if, if they, if we walk
through the end of life and they

2710
02:19:02,879 --> 02:19:05,280
never, if they have nothing to 
put up at my memorial. 

2711
02:19:06,559 --> 02:19:10,160
I believed in Jesus and I know I
did what Jesus wanted me to do. 

2712
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:15,920
And if, if nothing else happens,
I, I just pray that that is the 

2713
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:20,520
one thing I can say. 
And, you know, I, I, I, I do, I 

2714
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:23,400
do understand how people can, 
how people can get 

2715
02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:26,240
disenfranchised and, and upset 
even sometimes whenever they 

2716
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:32,080
feel like, you know, they're 
not, they're being, they're 

2717
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:35,040
being detracted from or their, 
the attention is being taken 

2718
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:39,160
away from it. 
But you know, it's, it's really 

2719
02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:45,200
not about that, you know, and, 
and I'm just grateful because 

2720
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,840
I'm, I'm, I'm grateful. 
I pray that, I pray that every 

2721
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:51,520
person that, that, that, that, 
that comes through our church. 

2722
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:54,800
I, I pray that we get better 
preachers to me that come up. 

2723
02:19:54,800 --> 02:19:58,200
I pray, I pray that we get, we 
get people who, who are more 

2724
02:19:58,200 --> 02:20:01,560
successful at reaching the 
community than I am. 

2725
02:20:01,560 --> 02:20:02,880
Truthfully, you know what I 
mean? 

2726
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:06,760
I hope, I hope, I hope we get 
out there and, and I am the 

2727
02:20:06,760 --> 02:20:08,640
worst that we can do because 
that's it. 

2728
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:11,560
That means that we're, we're, 
you know, if I try to do my best

2729
02:20:11,880 --> 02:20:14,640
and, and I'm the lowest point, 
then that's, that's, that's a 

2730
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:16,240
good thing. 
You know what I mean? 

2731
02:20:16,920 --> 02:20:19,480
And that's not, I'm not trying 
to do that to be, to be false 

2732
02:20:19,480 --> 02:20:23,240
humility or anything like that. 
I'm not, I genuinely, I just, I,

2733
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:29,240
I truly hope that that there's 
so much space for, for other 

2734
02:20:29,240 --> 02:20:31,840
people. 
There's so much opportunity in 

2735
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:34,000
God's Kingdom for, for 
everybody. 

2736
02:20:34,120 --> 02:20:37,760
If we were all operating at the 
capacity that God wanted us to 

2737
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:41,760
operate at the IT, it's 
unlimited. 

2738
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:44,520
There's not you doing something 
for God. 

2739
02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:47,440
John doesn't detract from me 
doing something for God. 

2740
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:51,040
And Colby, doing something for 
God doesn't detract from me 

2741
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:54,040
doing something for God. 
And if I do the best that I can 

2742
02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:59,800
for God, it it doesn't matter 
how people view what I 

2743
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:01,520
accomplished. 
You know what I'm trying to say.

2744
02:21:02,520 --> 02:21:04,240
And so I'm grateful for, for 
both of you. 

2745
02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:06,160
I'm grateful for every single 
person who comes through our 

2746
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:09,320
church and decides to get 
involved and decides to give 

2747
02:21:09,320 --> 02:21:11,920
their life to the Lord and 
decides to do something for God.

2748
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:16,000
Because I, I, I, I pray, I pray 
that people look at them and 

2749
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:20,160
say, wow, look at what God's 
doing in that church through 

2750
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:23,520
them. 
And so that, you know, and I in 

2751
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:29,280
that moment, whenever Kobe came 
back, I was just grateful like 

2752
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:32,160
everybody else, that, that, you 
know, you, you pray. 

2753
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:34,000
I prayed for Kobe, you know, I 
prayed for Kobe. 

2754
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:37,120
I try not to be AI, try not to 
be a jerk about anything. 

2755
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:41,440
I tried not to shove him away, 
you know, because we had earnest

2756
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:43,080
disagreements. 
I mean, you know, you just 

2757
02:21:43,080 --> 02:21:46,600
can't, you know what I mean? 
You just can't agree Whenever, 

2758
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:49,480
whenever, whenever two things 
are so diametrically opposed, 

2759
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:54,120
You know what I'm trying to say.
But at the same time, like, like

2760
02:21:54,960 --> 02:22:00,440
I was just grateful that God was
able to accomplish what what I 

2761
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:05,160
could not do, which was get him 
back into to the church, you 

2762
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:08,520
know? 
Something to at last note, I I 

2763
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:12,400
want to give them a huge shout 
out when I first got back in and

2764
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:14,840
I did it with taking everything 
with a grain of salt. 

2765
02:22:14,840 --> 02:22:16,560
Like Reed. 
A lot of people call it 

2766
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:21,640
deconstruction or what not. 
To me it was like re reigniting,

2767
02:22:21,800 --> 02:22:26,680
you know, kind of diving back in
and learning spirituality, 

2768
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:30,840
learning the Bible, learning God
all over from a new point of 

2769
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:32,280
view. 
It's kind of how I went into it.

2770
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:36,360
I was working over the road. 
We were, we were at the time in 

2771
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:40,520
between we had sold our house. 
And so my wife and kids were 

2772
02:22:40,520 --> 02:22:43,920
living down with her parents 
about an hour and a half away. 

2773
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:46,800
And I was up here during the 
weeks and I'll go over to Cam 

2774
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:50,320
and Claire's and I would talk to
them till probably 2:00 AM just 

2775
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:52,360
about every other night at 
least. 

2776
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:55,560
And they never once were like, 
Oh, we can't do this or what 

2777
02:22:55,560 --> 02:22:59,400
not. 
They sat up, talked about Jesus 

2778
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:02,760
all night long. 
And that was huge for me too. 

2779
02:23:02,760 --> 02:23:05,280
Because you know, when you first
it's, it's honestly kind of like

2780
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:08,240
when you first get saved and 
you've got that, that big 

2781
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:10,240
ignition where that's all you 
want to talk about. 

2782
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:16,240
No, it was great having them 
there to be an open book and 

2783
02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:19,720
just discuss a lot. 
But better than that, just 

2784
02:23:19,960 --> 02:23:22,800
having family that was open and 
willing to have you back. 

2785
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:25,800
And I think that also helped 
strengthen me as we were first 

2786
02:23:25,800 --> 02:23:29,880
getting back into the church. 
Yeah, I want you to. 

2787
02:23:29,880 --> 02:23:33,920
I want, like I said, this is not
just trying to me make up for 

2788
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:38,760
giving Colby a huge spotlight, 
but I want you to know that you 

2789
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:40,600
know what? 
You remember when we did the the

2790
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:44,040
podcast with Dad and he talked 
about Elijah and the thought 

2791
02:23:44,040 --> 02:23:49,240
that Dad had about your dad. 
I do feel like that same 

2792
02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:53,880
mindset, you have it as well and
it applies to you and that there

2793
02:23:53,880 --> 02:23:58,040
are things that you're willing 
to do and put up with and are 

2794
02:23:58,040 --> 02:24:03,280
willing to just for the sake of 
the Kingdom that I could not do.

2795
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:07,480
And that's that is super 
commendable. 

2796
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:11,480
So like I said, even though you 
may not have what Kobe has as 

2797
02:24:11,480 --> 02:24:15,720
far as a story goes, I think 
it's just as massive to be able 

2798
02:24:15,720 --> 02:24:17,720
to be the type of person to be 
able to say. 

2799
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:22,160
And I, and I told you this, even
with for a, for a personal 

2800
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:25,880
situation for me was like, look,
if there's one person that I can

2801
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:30,120
rely on that's not going to be 
judgmental and that's going to 

2802
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:32,280
be there and, and do it with an 
earnest heart. 

2803
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:35,040
It's like it's going to be, it's
going to be Cam, you know what I

2804
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:36,960
mean? 
So I, I think we're getting, 

2805
02:24:37,480 --> 02:24:39,440
we're getting, we're getting 
sucked up here at the end for 

2806
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:41,520
Cam, but I want to say that. 
And then the other things just 

2807
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:46,720
to we can end it on this. 
I think it's I'm thankful for 

2808
02:24:47,480 --> 02:24:51,440
the fact that the that the 
relationships that that I got 

2809
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:55,680
when I was seven years old, here
I am 21 years later. 

2810
02:24:56,280 --> 02:24:58,440
And it's like we're right back 
to that point. 

2811
02:24:58,440 --> 02:25:03,840
And it's like at this point, I 
would say it really does to me. 

2812
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:07,040
It's like being brothers. 
And even even for Seth, because 

2813
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,720
I know hopefully he'll listen to
this, but he wouldn't be a he 

2814
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:11,880
couldn't be a part of it. 
But even for Seth as being that 

2815
02:25:11,880 --> 02:25:14,560
4th in there, it it really does 
to me. 

2816
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:16,160
To me, we're brothers. 
Absolutely. 

2817
02:25:17,440 --> 02:25:19,520
And it's, it's one thing that 
I'm very appreciative, 

2818
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:23,480
appreciative of. 
And because it's affect, I think

2819
02:25:23,480 --> 02:25:27,600
it's going to, it's affected all
of us in just different ways. 

2820
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:32,800
So I'm I'm I love talking and 
and just being just a the core 

2821
02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:35,560
group. 
Again, absolutely, I love it and

2822
02:25:35,560 --> 02:25:38,840
I'm grateful for our 
relationships, us and, and also,

2823
02:25:38,840 --> 02:25:41,440
like you said, Seth and, and the
relationships we've had through 

2824
02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:43,360
the church. 
And my big encouragement for 

2825
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:46,880
everybody who's listening at 
this point still is, I pray you 

2826
02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:49,600
find somebody in the church that
you can go back on and years 

2827
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:51,280
later, that's right, you're 
going to come back and have 

2828
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:54,840
these conversations with and 
say, look how God, look how God 

2829
02:25:54,840 --> 02:25:57,000
has been to us through the 
years. 

2830
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:59,000
Because this is a great feeling 
to look through. 

2831
02:25:59,360 --> 02:26:01,240
It really is. 
It really is a cornerstone.