1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Hey everyone, thanks for joining the Lifegate podcast. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,640 This is Brooke, and I just wanted to take a second to make 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,320 mention of the current Lifegate linked small group sessions in 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,880 connection with this podcast that's happening over the next 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,200 few Monday nights between 7:00 and 8:00 PM to discuss the 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,120 podcast content and celebrate your personal testimonies. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,960 We're excited for what God's doing through this ministry and 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,040 look forward to see what he has in store. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,600 And with that, let's dive into this week's episode with special 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:43,840 guest brother Ronnie Will Come. All right, I'm ready. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,640 All righty. Well, First off, I just want to 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,320 thank you for stopping by and and giving us some of your time 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,960 today and and giving us some wisdom. 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,280 I've my. Pleasure. 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,880 I've heard you preach a few times here and you've, you've 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,440 got some stories that just, they wow me, I'm not going to lie. 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,840 So I wanted to kind of see if we couldn't expand on those. 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,120 But as a whole, we started this, like you said, because I've, we 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,600 felt like people needed to get their stories out there more 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,400 abundantly. And I and I felt like people 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,320 just, when they say it on their own, sometimes you might leave 22 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:16,880 out some details. So once you kind of had that 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,880 little bit of dialogue and conversation, usually you can 24 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,760 kind of remember some things as you go about it. 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,000 So having someone as yourself who's who's just a giant in our 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,480 faith, yeah, that's that's amazing to to have someone on on 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,360 this podcast with us. Well, I'll just drift through it 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,840 and just tell you the stories and then you can edit whatever 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,960 you want. It doesn't matter a cut out what 30 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:45,040 I'm told might be. So I guess first question was, 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,520 were you born into an Apostolic Pentecostal family brother where 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,600 it was your were your parents? Were they, did they raise you 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,600 from from like the moment you were born, or did they raise you 34 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,800 in this truth? No. 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:08,720 OK, My mom and dad were Catholic and my mother was very devout. 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:19,120 My dad wouldn't, but we didn't come in until I was probably 12 37 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,200 years old. My dad worked for Stanley and 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,480 Oil and he started out playing baseball. 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,400 They hired him out of high school to play ball, and back 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,840 then that was the oil companies on these bigger leagues. 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,680 And so he played baseball for them. 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,920 And so we traveled a little bit, and then he got a contract for 43 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:47,600 the Yankees. So my mother did not want to 44 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,320 move to New York. So we plan to move to Houston, 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,640 North Houston. He'd be close to the airport and 46 00:02:55,640 --> 00:03:01,000 he could commute back and forth. And so because she just refused 47 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,680 to go there, Daddy never played a game, but he went there to a 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 training camp and wasn't there very long. 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,120 But someone came to our house right after we moved and told 50 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,360 us, told my mom that we they were having a revival in Bay 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,200 City church. So you may not be familiar with 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,600 but an old timer and our movement brother Verbal Bean. 53 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,760 OK, he was in revival and he was at that time a giant, you know, 54 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,680 in the face. So my mother went and got the 55 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,080 Holy Ghost. OK, first night. 56 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:48,880 Well, my dad come back from the camp that weekend and she told 57 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,360 him what had happened to her. So he said, well that's great, 58 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,600 it's no problem. But he said I want to take the 59 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,440 kids out and be with them. And back then, that's when they 60 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,840 had revival seven days a week. It wasn't. 61 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,240 It wasn't a joke. I don't know. 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,920 It wasn't Saturday, Sunday. I mean, they come in, put their 63 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,240 kids in school, they rent an apartment. 64 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,480 It was for the long haul. It was seven days a week, you 65 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,519 know, so. So we was going out. 66 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,880 So Daddy said when I get in, I'd love to spend time with the 67 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,080 kids. And so we would drive to Bay 68 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,840 City, drop off my mom and we would go to the movies or 69 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:32,440 something, you know, when daddy was in. 70 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,320 Yeah. Well, one night, you know, how 71 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,880 Pentecostal churches are they, they don't know when to stop. 72 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,160 And the pastor sometimes, I mean, the preacher, they'll keep 73 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,360 the people hostage, you know, And so he had them locked down 74 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,960 that night. And my dad is not endowed with a 75 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,680 lot of patience. And so we parked, we waited and 76 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,600 we waited. And then she didn't come out. 77 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,400 So dad said, y'all stay in a car. 78 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,880 And I had a older sister and younger, and he said, I'm going 79 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,040 to go in there and find Mama. And it was the Lord's church at 80 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,600 the time. So Daddy went in and I preached 81 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,200 their sense. So it's a big joke there, you 82 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,360 know. But my daddy went up to the door 83 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,520 and they asked him. They said, can we help you, Sir? 84 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,960 He said, no. He said, I'm old enough to help 85 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,640 myself, Thank you. And he just started walking 86 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,640 right down the aisle. And he was looking for my mom on 87 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,280 both sides, you know. Well, Brother Verbal Bean was in 88 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:41,280 the pulpit and he said, come on down, Sir, just come on down. 89 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,760 He said when you get by the front of the pulpit here, he 90 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,640 said God's going to fill you with the Holy Ghost. 91 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,320 Oh wow. Well, dad said every step he 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,040 took, the matter he got, but he couldn't stop and he got there 93 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,000 and so that's how simple it is. He just. 94 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,760 Brother Bean stepped down there. He told him to raise his hand 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,760 and so dad got the Holy Ghost. And so my older sister, we 96 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,760 stayed in the car because Mama and him, they were around the 97 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,800 altars and they forgot about us, you know. 98 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,040 And so my older sister said y'all stay here we go, I'm going 99 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,720 to go find mom and dad. So she left and then after a 100 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,000 while I told my babysitter. I said come on, come with me. 101 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,480 We got to go find mom and daddy, you know, so I was 1213 102 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,520 something like that. So we went in and had our 103 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,640 reunion right around the altars, you know? 104 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,560 Yeah. So Daddy called the Yankees. 105 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:41,720 He quit. Oh wow. 106 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,160 And he had been with the Stanland Oil Company 12 years. 107 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,320 OK. And so his former coach called 108 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,000 him and said, I heard you quit the Yankees. 109 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,880 He said, I did. He said, well, what for? 110 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,200 And he said, well, because I'm going to church now and I'm not 111 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,360 going over there, you know, and be away from my family and 112 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,200 church. And the guy said, you're crazy. 113 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,560 He said, I'd never hurt anybody, quit the Yankees or quit a ball 114 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,160 team. And then to go to church, he 115 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,160 said, well, you just found one. He said, well, would you like to 116 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,320 come back and play ball with us? And Daddy said, no, I'm not 117 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,520 going to play at all. And so the guy said, I just, 118 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,600 I've never heard that in my life, you know, So he told 119 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Daddy. He said Because I'm so 120 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:40,560 impressed, he says if you'll come back with us, not to play, 121 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,680 but if you'll come back with us, we're good. 122 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,480 We'll have to give him something for. 123 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,960 That he said, if you'll come back and play for us, you know, 124 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,920 he said, no, I'm not going to play for y'all. 125 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:04,120 And so he said, well, would you like to work in a in a plant? 126 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,520 And daddy said, yeah, I love that he said, I'll tell you 127 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:13,080 what, since I never heard anybody that's quit a bowl club 128 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,720 that and for church purposes, he said, I will give you 12 years 129 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:24,520 seniority back and I will pay off the contract with the 130 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,280 Yankees and you go to work for us. 131 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,440 That's crazy. And so Daddy did, went to work 132 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,679 for them, worked for them several years, and then Pan 133 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:39,559 American bought out Stanland and then Amoco bought out Pan 134 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,520 American. And so Daddy retired with Amoco. 135 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,160 And during that transition or during that time, we moved from 136 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Texas back to Breaux Bridge, where my mother was from. 137 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,640 She inherited a lot of property and so we built a home there. 138 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Daddy was transferred into the office in Lafayette. 139 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,200 And so there, there was just a small church and we got there, 140 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,040 you know, and that's where we went to church. 141 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:17,360 That's what I was raised until I I went to UL and got a degree in 142 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:23,400 industrial tech, which Daddy had anticipating me going to work 143 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,360 with Amoco and giving me a job, you know, but I failed to call 144 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,960 the preach. And so I did go get my degree. 145 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,160 When I was finished, I went to Bible College in Houston and so 146 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,280 rested pretty history. That's amazing. 147 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:46,720 You know, after I graduated, after four years, I got married 148 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,360 during my college days there and my wife and I traveled with a 149 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,800 Airstream trailer and a Ford truck, you know, and we just 150 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,440 went from church to church and preached for five years. 151 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:06,240 And then we had preached at Eunice and they called and said 152 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,360 we'd like for you to come pastor because our pastor is retired. 153 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,440 And I said no, I'm not interested. 154 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,560 But our Superintendent called and said I owed it to him. 155 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,960 So I did. I told him I would give him one 156 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,880 year and then I would reconsider. 157 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,920 But I wasn't there for just a little while. 158 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,320 I knew I would. Locked in. 159 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Oh, yeah. And I pastored over 39 years. 160 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:39,600 I tried 40, but my health gave up, and so I had to resign. 161 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,080 So. The whole family got the Holy 162 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Ghost at once is. That yes. 163 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,200 That's the same the same service. 164 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,400 No, not the same service. I my sister got it later and 165 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,600 then I got it in my baby sister. Yeah, kind of like a domino. 166 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,680 Effect all of there in the in that Bay City church. 167 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,520 I imagine mom and dad really didn't give you guys a choice, 168 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,040 but what was what was the kids reaction whenever you know, mom 169 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,040 and dad just, you know, bought in? 170 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,440 To, you know, we were, I mean, parents were very important back 171 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,240 then. Oh yeah, whatever they said, we 172 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,960 did. You had no choice in that 173 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,000 matter. And it really, they had a good 174 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,640 church, a lot of good program. You know, we we were just 175 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:23,640 freshly moved into Houston, so we were welcoming anything that 176 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,520 you know, where we know somebody and get plans and stuff. 177 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,000 So. You hear a lot of stories about 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,360 people getting the Holy Ghost just like they walk into service 179 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,840 and get the Holy Ghost. Like this is a like a revival 180 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,840 culture. My dad, he didn't know anything 181 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,000 about it. But why do you think that was 182 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,840 happening more like during that time frame or just like you know 183 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,120 what I mean? Do you think that's? 184 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,920 Well, I believe way back then they had less distractions. 185 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,400 Yeah, that's a good point. And you know, today we got a lot 186 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,920 going. And when somebody comes, there's 187 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,360 a lot they have to give up. And I realize that, you know, 188 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,920 and we get, we get people in that their lifestyle is, is 189 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,480 every night there somewhere and they come in here and we want 190 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,880 them to come Sunday morning, Sunday night and Monday night 191 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,400 prayer meeting, Tuesday night, ladies supper and Wednesday 192 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,480 night, midweek. You know, it is a shocker, you 193 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,760 know? So we, we work around that. 194 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,280 But that's what I believe back then they didn't, they didn't do 195 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,160 much of anything. OK. 196 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,440 So yeah, you know, work and yeah, go to bed early and get up 197 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,720 and go. You know, that was basically. 198 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,000 So like, people were just different. 199 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,720 Different. The whole lifestyle was 200 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,480 different. It was slow. 201 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:48,040 Now it's fast. I would I'd like to like point 202 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,120 out though, for your for your dad. 203 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 That's a pretty strong testimony in and of itself. 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Man, who would even today turn down and not even just turn 205 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,360 down, but quit the most prominent. 206 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,520 Well, I'm from Saint Louis, so the second most prominent 207 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,440 baseball team. You know that that's that's 208 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 amazing to say. You know what, I got church and 209 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,360 then I've got my passion because I would argue that was probably 210 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,840 one of his passions and then give up the worldly passion to 211 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,640 make sure that he was in church for his, his spiritual passion. 212 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,280 And I think that's that's huge because a lot of people struggle 213 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,840 with that even today. That's right, I. 214 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,440 Mean, I think that's one of the biggest things today is people 215 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,840 are torn between. Decisions we have to make. 216 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,600 I think that in and of itself is huge. 217 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,840 Do you think that that influence from your father like impacted 218 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:34,720 you? You know. 219 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,200 We've raised like that, Yeah. We have a very close knit 220 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,640 family. We were, you know, we, we just 221 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,240 did everything together. You know, I can't think of any 222 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,920 time there was a problem between, you know, and a family, 223 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,960 you know, So we never wobbled, you know? 224 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,040 Yeah. Strong. 225 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,160 So when did you, when did you kind of realize you were going 226 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,520 to be called to preach? Like when did you start feeling 227 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,680 that? I was in probably 11th, 12th 228 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:07,240 grade, OK. And we had a little small church 229 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,400 where we was going to. We didn't have a pastor, you 230 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,840 know? We were too mean, you know? 231 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:19,760 You run them off. We it was mostly Ken folks, I've 232 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,080 kenned everybody there, but they had a pastor in Lafayette would 233 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,160 drive in at 2:00 in the afternoon, you know, and so that 234 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,960 was convenient for us. We had one service 2:00 you 235 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,920 know, and I talked to him and I told him I said I'm feeling 236 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,720 something. I don't know what I'm feeling, 237 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,320 but I just feel like, you know, and I didn't want to be a 238 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,400 preacher, but I said I'm feeling, you know, and he said, 239 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,240 no, you're not a preacher. He said you're you're going to 240 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,320 be a good St. and you're going to be a blessing. 241 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Somebody. I said OK, so I I accepted that 242 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:06,320 and I went on to USL. And I guess my first year, I, I 243 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,760 just kept feeling it very strongly. 244 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:13,400 I didn't know what else to do. And yeah, so anyway, one, one 245 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:18,480 night we had a special service and a missionary was there that 246 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,120 didn't even know me. His name was Brother Strickland. 247 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,240 He was from Greece. Oh, wow. 248 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,480 And he was preaching for us. He didn't know me from Adam. 249 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,720 I didn't know him and I was at the altar and I just kept 250 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,640 feeling every time I pray it was just heaviness, you know. 251 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,120 So I told the Lord, I said, now you know, I'm not begging, 252 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,200 policing God. But I said, if if I am called a 253 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,720 preach and it's you, I said, I want that preacher who is from 254 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Greece, I want him come tell me. Oh wow. 255 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,800 And he, you know, we were praying around the altar and he 256 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,320 was walking and talking, you know, and behind the wall, he 257 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,600 came right up to me, looked at me and he said, I, I just, the 258 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Lord told me to tell you something. 259 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,560 He said God has got a calling on your life and you're on a, 260 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,760 you're going to step into another dimension. 261 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,960 It's not going to be college, he said, or USL college. 262 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,320 He said you're going to move to a different level. 263 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,600 And I knew then I was persuaded that was it. 264 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,640 And I wasn't near big a hurry to really just get out. 265 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,800 That wasn't a deal. I just felt it. 266 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,800 I couldn't pray until I surrendered, you know, So I felt 267 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,480 good about it. And then I went back to Brother 268 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Cooley, our pastor later after I was just fixing to graduate from 269 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,040 UL. And he said, yeah, you're ready 270 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,080 to go now. So I think he would just try on 271 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,880 me, you know, to see if I wasn't going to just blow up and take 272 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,000 off, you know, I wasn't ready, you know, at the time, you know, 273 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:08,960 but and I left and went to Bible college and we graduated there 274 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,200 and then finally end up pastoring, you know. 275 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,400 That's about as close to God's audible voices you can get. 276 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,280 That's right, you're over. Like God, I need you to answer 277 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,359 this. And he he answers it just 278 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,119 through another man. Exactly right. 279 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,200 I mean, that's that's about as close as you can get to it, man. 280 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,200 That's pretty cool. You know, and I'm not big in 281 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,920 fleecing like I told y'all, you know, like I'm not going until I 282 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,680 hear you say or he's going to have to, you know, he's going to 283 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,600 talk to me before. Yeah, I'm not big in that. 284 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,400 I have done it, you know, but this was critical for me, you 285 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,880 know, because I had a job waiting for me and Amoco. 286 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,600 I went for industrial tech, which was a, a drafting of 287 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,480 oilfield lines and stuff. Daddy would tell me, you know, 288 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,640 he, he, he was available for me, but through my daddy. 289 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,560 And so he wasn't that I was looking to preach, you know, but 290 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,760 I just couldn't get over. Every time I prayed, it was I 291 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,680 was miserable. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of 292 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,440 the story of Samuel, honestly. God's calling him and he's going 293 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,000 to his his leader, and he's like, I don't know, what's this? 294 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,440 I'm supposed to do something. I'm supposed to do something. 295 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,560 I don't know what. So finally, you're like, listen, 296 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,000 God, is this what you're trying to tell? 297 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,360 Me, yeah. That's awesome. 298 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,160 Hey, here I am. I'm listening. 299 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,080 So you think he was? You think your pastor was kind 300 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,000 of testing you? I don't, you know, it was just 301 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,800 to see, I guess. No, because I've done it later. 302 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,680 So now I know the other man says, man, I'm thinking about 303 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,120 getting married. I said now I believe you, you 304 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,800 know, you ought to put it off. If they put it off, good. 305 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,760 If he comes back and I'm not going to cross swords with him, 306 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,920 but if he comes back then I know he wants to. 307 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:02,200 I don't want it on a whim. I don't want to just after a 308 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,360 date, they just said, boy, this feels good. 309 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,040 You know, I don't want that. I want him to do. 310 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,040 And I think that's what the preaching was. 311 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,480 He didn't want to just turn me loose when I was not real 312 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,880 prepared. My daddy was not a preacher. 313 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,520 So I wasn't raised in a preacher's home. 314 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,560 I didn't know anything about a preacher. 315 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,200 I wasn't raised Pentecost. So I it was all new to me. 316 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,480 So he just had. And when he told me no, I was 317 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,160 fine with that, I backed up and I said whatever he says, that's 318 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,880 what we going to do, you know? It kind of speaks to the value 319 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,840 that you had in your pastor too, to go to him and and start that 320 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,880 dialogue and then when he told you, you didn't argue with him, 321 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,880 you just took him out his word. Oh, I never did. 322 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,800 And believed it. Yeah, my dad, he told me several 323 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,520 times you're not a preacher now. I'm OK. 324 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,320 We're going to get a good job and you're going, you know and 325 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,560 all. And he meant well. 326 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,280 Yeah. Yeah. 327 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,480 But when I finally said Daddy, I'm going to buy them because. 328 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,120 Because I can't. Resist to run from this calling. 329 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,480 He was all in and my dad wasn't. Nobody behind me more than my 330 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,240 dad was. You know, that's awesome. 331 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,880 So he supported me, but I, you know, so he's all new to me 332 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,560 because I didn't have a preacher background, you know, So 333 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,040 everything I'd done, was you going to do it yourself? 334 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,320 You know I had nothing handed to me. 335 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,320 Where'd you go to Bible college at? 336 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,360 Texas Bible College called in Houston they. 337 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,200 Used to be one of the Juggernaut Bible colleges. 338 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,440 I don't know if it still is. I'm not. 339 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:39,720 Educated, but they moved it now to Lufkin, the whole college 340 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,920 thing. So yeah, it's doing good now and 341 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,320 it's accredited, you know, it wasn't when I was there, but it 342 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,080 is now, so. Do you think that was valuable 343 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,280 for you whenever you were? Getting started, I needed that 344 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:59,320 because I wasn't real coming in 1314 years old, I wasn't real 345 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,760 knowledgeable, you know, but now from 15 up until I left it, 346 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,800 20/19/20, I was very interested in the Bible. 347 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,440 But I, you know, there was so much I didn't know. 348 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,600 And then they teach you things about pastoring, you know, 349 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,720 making an incorporation, you know, and doing the bylaws and 350 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,680 all of that. I was ignorant, you know, So 351 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,680 yes, it was very, I wouldn't trade it. 352 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,680 I wouldn't go back, but I. That's awesome. 353 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,560 I wouldn't want to go. Back to school with. 354 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,640 Child. Oh, God. 355 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,800 But no, it was great. It was great. 356 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,360 And so then I built relationships there. 357 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,600 Yeah, that. That is lasting, everlasting. 358 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,720 That's awesome people you probably know all over the 359 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,320 country. Still now, yeah, I preach for 360 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,720 some of my old cronies and graduates, you know, and we, we 361 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,440 have great times, you know, so. So for 40 years as a pastor, 362 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,360 what you you accepted that position because it was asked of 363 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,600 you or did you feel any kind of like, I'm sure you prayed over 364 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,480 it? Honestly. 365 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Honestly, I told him no because I I wasn't interested in that. 366 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,320 I had a good thing going. I mean, I had a travel trailer, 367 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,000 Airstream, good truck. We just preach, you know, one 368 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,280 place maybe Friday, Saturday, Sunday, sometime. 369 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,040 We went Wednesday through Sunday. 370 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,840 We didn't have any children. We good alive. 371 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,160 So if we closed out on a Sunday night, the wife and I would 372 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,040 pull. She would, she would get in the 373 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,160 back. It was an extended cab, not a 374 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,400 double door, but it was extended and I had a bed. 375 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,080 She'd crawl back there and go to sleep. 376 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,600 I would run just about to my next place. 377 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,800 And then we would set up our trailer at a, at a lake, at a 378 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,080 park. And then Wednesday was going to 379 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800 start. Well, I didn't have to pull, but 380 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,200 30-40 miles, I was there. I'd done pulled, but after I 381 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,280 preach I'm I can't sleep. I'm just kind of wired, you 382 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,160 know, and you know, you know what I'm talking about. 383 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:18,680 So anyway, when they called, I said no, I'm not interested, 384 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:24,960 which I was thinking about me, you know, and I kind of dumped 385 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,480 them, you know, And then they called back again. 386 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,520 And the third time they call, Well, Brother Tinny called me 387 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,560 after the second time, which he is our Superintendent. 388 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,840 Yeah. So he called and said they got a 389 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,800 church. He's calling for you. 390 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,320 I said, Brother Tinny, I'm really not interested at all. 391 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,320 You know, I feel like I'm doing what I I should do, you know, 392 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:56,040 And he said, well, you owe it to those people because they 393 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,000 requested you owe it to them. Go and preach and tell them yes 394 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,240 or no, that you owe it to go down there. 395 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,080 And I had preached for him before, so I knew him. 396 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:08,520 But I was on the evangelist. Like coming in. 397 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,880 I just go in and get. Out. 398 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,960 Yeah, yeah. It was kind of like we call it 399 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:21,440 love and leave him. And so I said OK, so I did. 400 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,640 I told him I'd go and I purposely. 401 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,600 Yeah, I told him, yeah. So I went over there and 402 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:32,840 preached and still didn't feel it, you know, And so then I 403 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,360 said, well, I'm going to just let my name run. 404 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,920 They had three preachers, OK, that was going to try out or, 405 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,040 you know, I didn't want it. The next man was Brother Tinny 406 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,520 son-in-law. Oh wow. 407 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,480 And the next man was kin to a majority of the people in the 408 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,560 church. OK, so so I said true. 409 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,120 I let my name run. You really didn't think you had 410 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,560 anything to worry about? Even though I'm, I'll just coast 411 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:06,600 through this, you know, and I ended up getting about 95%. 412 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,240 So I was stuck. And so I told it bored, I said, 413 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:19,320 I'll give you all a year, give him my best and and then I'll 414 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,920 let you know. But they have it again. 415 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,880 They had a going away party for or going away service for the 416 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,120 former pastor who was a great guy. 417 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,640 So he called me. He said, I want you to come in 418 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,520 late and sit in the back, but I want you there. 419 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:45,520 I said, OK, so church started. My wife and I came in late. 420 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,960 The ushers wanted to bring me up front. 421 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,680 I said no. I said I'm going to sit right 422 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 back here. And I sit in the back like he 423 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,360 had told me and just just sit there. 424 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,440 They sang a little bit and then and then Brother Shuff got up 425 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:08,280 and he started preaching and he preached about Elijah and Elijah 426 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,240 and talked about that mantle falling upon him. 427 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,800 And he did double what? And he then he said, I want 428 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,520 brother Roy Lacombe. I want him to come up. 429 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Wow. Jordy didn't know I was there. 430 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,360 I got up and I went on a platform and he took off his 431 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:37,080 coat and he went and draped it over my shoulder and said, I'm 432 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,200 now giving you the mantle. Oh wow, and right then I knew it 433 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,640 was going to be longer than a year. 434 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,880 You. You are in. 435 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Yeah, God just gave me a burden. Why not? 436 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,400 Then I, I realized I was in this thing now, you know, and I 437 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,560 stayed 40 years, you know, and. That's impressive for anybody. 438 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:06,560 And I was, you know, I, I won't say my, my body just couldn't 439 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,680 keep up with my burden, you know? 440 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,800 Yeah, I don't. After I was passing a little 441 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,840 while, my dad had a lot of heart problem. 442 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,840 My dad had two open heart surgeries and so forth. 443 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,800 All of his family on his side, most all of them had heart 444 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,760 attacks. Majority of them had open heart 445 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:36,760 surgery and over half of them died before 60 years old. 446 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,640 And so my dad lived just a few years after he retired. 447 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:49,160 So I inherited all that, I guess, you know, so I started 448 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,760 having, you know, cardiovascular problems early in life and not 449 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,400 just, and I know you all understand it's not just 450 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,400 plumbing, but electrical. My, my heart wasn't, you know, 451 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,240 it's got electrical deals and it wasn't, I had a problem with 452 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,040 both, but you know, I kept working through it. 453 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,400 Then, you know, passing the church, you know, and you revamp 454 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,360 you get people to help you and so forth, you know, and we did 455 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,600 good, you know, we had a great church and you know, they love 456 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560 me and I love them and. What would what do you think 457 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,640 your experience like was as a young minister coming in first 458 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,840 time pastor and what kind of lessons did you learn in those 459 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,680 first couple of years? Well, I made a lot of mistakes, 460 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:49,720 a lot and I didn't have I didn't have a father figure or but I 461 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,720 had Brother Cooley, who was my old pastor, you know, and I had 462 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,320 went four years to Bible college and I run about five years. 463 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,760 And he was getting up in age, but I had been preaching now 464 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,120 nine years, you know, and I would call him and he was always 465 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,400 so nice and helped me, but I struggled through a lot of 466 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,320 things. I didn't, I didn't know what to 467 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,880 do. It was trial and error, you 468 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,400 know, and it was just the, the purse. 469 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560 I didn't want to admit, you know, but I finally told the 470 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,240 post, you know, I, I don't know, but it probably was the best 471 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:32,800 thing for me because I, I handpicked a group that would 472 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,400 encompass me and that would help me not agree with me, but they 473 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,760 would help me. And we just, we just built a 474 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,480 staff until, you know, that's all I knew what to do is lean on 475 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,720 them, you know, and we, we waded through it, you know, and it 476 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,240 wasn't smooth, but it was, it worked until, until we got it 477 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,880 going. And then it was a machine, you 478 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360 know, it just worked right off, you know, so. 479 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920 I think that's important for anybody anywhere in life, right, 480 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,240 to have not just people who agree with you, right, but. 481 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200 People who I didn't want nobody to agree with me. 482 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,320 I told him that. Well. 483 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,680 If I, if they, you know, all agree with me, I don't need 484 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,160 them. Yeah, yeah, you would just have 485 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,800 yourself, right. I just don't need them. 486 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,400 I can do that, you know, but I want somebody to say, you know, 487 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,400 I think we ought to do it this way. 488 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,840 Is that you know, and so you know, I I wasn't inferior. 489 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:33,840 I was not intimidated with anybody, you know, and you got 490 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,920 people. What I've learned is that 491 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,520 bankers are going to ask you money questions. 492 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,120 So it's no use you get and a builder, he's going to ask you 493 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,600 something about building and when you start to build 494 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,120 something, he's going to have input and it can get 495 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,440 aggravating, but he's a builder. He thinks like that. 496 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,960 My son is ACPA. All he thinks about is money. 497 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,960 That's all he wants to talk about. 498 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,480 But that's the way we are. I talk preaching, he talks 499 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480 money. This man talks construction and 500 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,960 this guy over here talks painting, you know, and that 501 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,160 because that's what they do. And so I was reason for these, 502 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,880 you know, when we started really church started going, you know, 503 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,720 so you reach for these people and you want an input. 504 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,720 I wanted to hear from, from, you know, so because I wasn't a 505 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,920 builder, I'm not a mechanic. I, I can't do anything. 506 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,880 I can draw. I drew my own House plan. 507 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,360 I built my own. That's more of most. 508 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,520 People so, you know, but I mean, that's what I'd done. 509 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,160 That wasn't my major. I majored in oil field. 510 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,840 So but I could do because I was a draftsman, you know, and so I 511 00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,440 could do that, but I couldn't. I'm not, no, I'm not real smart. 512 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,000 I want to ask you, AI want you to, if you can put the old 513 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,280 pastor's hat back on because I think there's something that is 514 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,360 a misconception in a lot of, I won't even say it's just to our 515 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,920 specific denomination, but in general of people who when they 516 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,280 feel the burden, a burden, everyone just naturally assumes 517 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,840 that preaching is, is it. And so I don't think there's as 518 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,840 much value on people who expand into the other ministries as 519 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,480 they feel like. If they're not a preacher, then 520 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,120 they're not the ministers. That makes sense. 521 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,440 What? What would you put the value on 522 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,760 people in in that church when you were going through all that 523 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,440 of people who may not necessarily been preaching 524 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,360 behind the pulpit with you or helping you, but we're helping 525 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,120 behind the scenes and doing the things that kind of kept the 526 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,640 church going, especially when you were not able to be perfect 527 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,960 in those areas. I couldn't have done it without 528 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,880 them. And we would have, I had what we 529 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,600 call a dream team. And so in the first of the year, 530 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,480 we would just, they had a big supper, you know, in our, you 531 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,760 know, fellowship hall. And we, I wanted them to come 532 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,400 with ideas, tell me, you know something. 533 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:23,840 And so we threw out a lot of and you know, they threw out a lot 534 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,280 of stuff that we couldn't afford. 535 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,080 But but that's that's part of it, you know, went through it. 536 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,360 But back to your question, I'm and then at the end of the year, 537 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,280 we had another dream team thing kind of, but I made them feel 538 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,960 very important because they were I can't do without music. 539 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,080 So you're what you're doing is is very important. 540 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,560 You know, matter of fact, you can have church service tonight 541 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,480 without me, without a preacher. You can good music, you know, 542 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320 get going on. You can have a couple people 543 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,360 testify and go home and feel like you've been in church. 544 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 But we need a preacher to be saved. 545 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,000 Yes, we do. But everybody else, it's we're a 546 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,239 body. We are and we have to all work 547 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,520 together. And I tried as a pastor to make 548 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,159 everybody feel like we couldn't do without them. 549 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,840 We just couldn't, you know, and I couldn't. 550 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,719 I, I depended on them. And I wouldn't let anybody 551 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,360 resign. Nobody quit. 552 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,679 You had to work yourself out of a job. 553 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,480 You're fired. That makes sense. 554 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,199 You work your way out and whatever you do, you're a sound 555 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,440 man. You can't get out of your job 556 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,719 until you find somebody. You bring them in to sit in the 557 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,960 booth and you train them. Now, once you got them going and 558 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,640 they you can say you, then you can ease out and do something 559 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600 else, you know? Did you ever have to encourage 560 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,040 somebody who came in discouraged, feeling like they 561 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,080 needed to quit? You know, Oh. 562 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:17,160 Yeah, have you ever felt like quitting a job? 563 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,880 Many times. I wanted to quit pastor never 564 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:31,840 every Sunday at night. So yes, yes, it was I needed 565 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,520 them. I we had to have them. 566 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,720 We were just a team, you know, and so we worked together and 567 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,720 I'm, I was made sure that everybody felt like they were 568 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,200 apart. That's awesome. 569 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,800 Yeah, I just, you know, because I feel like there's a lot of 570 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,360 roles in the church. It's a ministry, Yes, It's a 571 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,440 ministry. You take like Barnabas, OK, He 572 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,680 didn't build no churches. He didn't write. 573 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,280 We don't have a book of Barnabas. 574 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,720 But Barnabas was by name. He was an encourager. 575 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,560 Now that's important and that's what he done. 576 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,200 He was kind of what we would call a greeter. 577 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,920 He he he brought people in. You're doing good, you know, and 578 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,320 so forth. And that's and we need those 579 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,920 kind of people. You know, you don't have to be a 580 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,960 called preacher, apostle or evangelist or whatever. 581 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,080 We need a Barnabas in here that can can't maneuver around, you 582 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600 know, the people and help them, you know, direct them to the 583 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,040 right path. Yeah, that's, that's an awesome 584 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,080 take on it. That's a really good take on 585 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,680 that. I guess I want to, we can, 586 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,400 we'll, we'll switch lanes on you real quick. 587 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,320 But I kind of want to talk about maybe some of the miracles that 588 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,640 I know one of them because I've heard you speak of a specific 589 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,840 story that I love. Hopefully we'll get into it a 590 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,280 little bit here. But miracles that have happened 591 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,000 in your life, miracles that are just like, there's no other 592 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,920 explanation other than God made away when there was no way is 593 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,600 there a handful of Omari, a few in particular that you can 594 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520 recall that. Realistic, personal, with things 595 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,280 I've seen or what? Personal. 596 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,600 Personal or in your church, you know. 597 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,040 What I mean, let me just be personal. 598 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:30,560 The one that you probably referring to rewind back. 599 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,880 I couldn't hunt it a lot when I was young. 600 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,760 OK. Then when I started pastoring, I 601 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,600 mean during college days, I didn't have a dog, but I said 602 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,520 whenever I pastor, I'm going to get a dog. 603 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,040 With that said, I did get a dog. I started, but and then I got a 604 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,000 mule and I'd ride at night chasing this crazy Cundo. 605 00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,480 Well, I had a saddle bag and I had a pistol in that saddle bag. 606 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,240 My wife was on a swing outside. I went into the tack room there 607 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:10,240 at the barn, and I pulled that saddle off the rack and I just 608 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,120 put it on the ground, on the floor, and it was cement. 609 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,320 And when I shut it down, put it down like that, it hit the 610 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,120 hammer of that pistol. It was a 22. 611 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:27,280 And that thing went off and it hit me right here and it went up 612 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,800 and hit my pelvis and then ricochet and it went about an 613 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,080 inch from my spine, just about about belt, you know, where the 614 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,880 belt is, which could have been bad, fatal, you know, and they 615 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,120 say A22 bullet is worse than anything really best if it go 616 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,080 because it's so small and it just, you know, it just makes 617 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,640 holes into your intestines that are bad. 618 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,720 And so many went off. I didn't feel nothing. 619 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,520 I just knew it went off. My wife said what is that? 620 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520 I said I don't know. And I was just didn't I? 621 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,120 I saw the little hole in my saddlebag. 622 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,120 It was smoking. I said, oh Lord. 623 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,600 And so then I felt burning right here. 624 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,720 And then I didn't. So it started bleeding right 625 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:23,040 here. But anyway, I had no 626 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,720 complications from that at all. The doctor said you are just a 627 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:32,240 walking miracles because if it went just just he said less than 628 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,360 an inch away, he said you'd be paralyzed waist down. 629 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,680 Wow, it wasn't. And I, I got over it and, you 630 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,360 know, just do a while and I was back hunting again, you know, 631 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,040 but that was one thing that God did for me. 632 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,480 That's amazing. Pretty big thing, Yeah. 633 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,680 Pretty big one thing, yeah. You know, it's not a small 634 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,320 thing, but I think it was a it gives you faith, you know, and 635 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:08,320 that you and another thing, my wife, she came from a not a good 636 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,880 background. And so her mother gave her away 637 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,960 when she was younger. Her sisters, they all had 638 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,440 children from different men, multiple men. 639 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:27,720 One was illegitimate child. So my daughter, I mean, my wife 640 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000 couldn't have a child. And when nobody wanted a baby 641 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,760 more than her and I'd hear her crying at night telling the 642 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,760 Lord, I mean, you know, I live for God for you and I'm doing 643 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,040 this and you don't. My sisters, you know, they, they 644 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,360 have abortions and children and I want a child, you know, and it 645 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,280 was hard on me, you know, and finally she had a, a 646 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,600 miscarriage. And then later on she was 647 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:02,400 carrying and we was in to six 7-8 months now. 648 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:09,880 And I was a youth secretary for our district, and I was in Saint 649 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,160 Louis doing some work, you know, and I got a call and they said 650 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:20,400 if you want to see your wife alive and you better get on 651 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,120 home, you know, And what happened was I was gone. 652 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,840 One of our men in our church, he just passed around our house. 653 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,120 Just just check on my wife, you know, make sure everything was 654 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,920 all right, not go in. He just went around it. 655 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,680 And he said he felt like the Lord told him to go in there and 656 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,800 check on her. So he knocked on the door and 657 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,480 she never answered. So he left, said he got out 658 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,080 close to the highway and he said, God, just, he just felt 659 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,800 that strong feeling, man. I got to go back and so went 660 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,600 back and he knocked on the door again and she didn't answer. 661 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:09,280 Third time when he went back, he kicked in the back door and we 662 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,400 had a, one kind of a French door thing, you know what I'm talking 663 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:13,880 about. So he kicked that in and stuck 664 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:21,480 his hand and my wife was in the bathroom pool blood and she 665 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,760 would die just bleeding the day she couldn't get up. 666 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,960 And so we lost the baby. She stayed in the hospital. 667 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:35,160 We like to lost her. I did get home and so the doctor 668 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,720 said we're going to have to do a partial hysterectomy because you 669 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:45,960 it's tore up in there. So they did, and he told us you 670 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,200 might as well make arrangements to start adopting because you 671 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,920 would never have a child, you know, being partly with a 672 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,880 hysterectomy like that. So we said OK. 673 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,600 So we did go on a procedure for a little girl. 674 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,160 We kept her to be 5 days to a year. 675 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,520 Louisiana law is a mother can change her mind up to a year. 676 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,240 We had her five days to be a year, went to court, Her mother 677 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,280 changed her mind. Wow, that. 678 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,080 Said she didn't want to get rid of it. 679 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,680 And then a month later, less than a month later, she called 680 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,480 me late at night, said if you'll meet me in the parking lot 681 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,920 grocery store, She said and give me 25,000. 682 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,160 I'll let you hit the baby back. And I said, if you'll meet me 683 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:43,840 Monday at the attorney's office and sign, I'll give you 50,000. 684 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,840 And so she said no, But I, I didn't want to be, you know, 685 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,680 blackmailed every every year, you know, so we lost a baby and 686 00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:00,800 it was, it was a terrible thing. And not long after that, my 687 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,440 sister-in-law, my wife's oldest sister, she had an illegitimate 688 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,440 child. He was 10. 689 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,560 She couldn't take care of him. He was cussed like a sailor. 690 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,000 She couldn't make him to go to school. 691 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,280 He never had a weapon in his life. 692 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,440 So she, the state moved in, was taking him. 693 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:30,880 So I got an attorney and I took him in and he started doing 694 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,880 good, got the Holy Ghost and just a great musician and wasn't 695 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,600 long. He started preaching and that's 696 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,680 awesome, you know. So it was God's will that we 697 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,440 take them in. But after, after we lost a 698 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,080 little girl, my wife told me one day she said, I think I'm going 699 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,760 to have a baby. I said baby, There's no way. 700 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,280 I didn't want her to be in denial or something, you know, I 701 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,640 said, ain't no way you can. Oh yeah, She said, I'm man, I'm 702 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,200 craving crazy as duck. She said, I know, I said, well, 703 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560 you're going to go to the doctor by yourself because I'm not 704 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,400 going over there and get embarrassed, you know? 705 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,760 And she come back and said we're going to have a baby. 706 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,960 And we had a boy. And then three years later I had 707 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,760 another. Wow. 708 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,040 Two years later I had a. Girl, that's, that's amazing. 709 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,960 Yeah. And so my own, you know, so that 710 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,960 was a miracle in itself. It's a massive miracle. 711 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,080 So that's crazy. That was something God did for 712 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,360 us during that that tenure, you know, and. 713 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,000 That's a long road to get to the end there, though. 714 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,360 For you, what kind of advice would you give to some people? 715 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,120 Maybe if they're in the thick of it, you know, somebody who needs 716 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,880 encouragement. How did you make it through? 717 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,240 Whenever you're struggling with disappointment, I guess as 718 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:54,760 pastor or I would say as a St. but also as. 719 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,480 A you know what, I am a very strong advocate of a church 720 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,200 family. Having somebody close, somebody 721 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,920 a good friend you can depend on. You going to need them and 722 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,120 they're going to come some time and you need somebody you can be 723 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,920 open with, somebody you can cry with, somebody you can share 724 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,680 some stuff with, you know, And if it wouldn't have been for my 725 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:28,760 preacher friend group, you know, or my just, you know, collage of 726 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,520 friendship, you know, I wouldn't have made it. 727 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,880 I had them right there all the time if they needed. 728 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,800 You know, I had a good friend of mine named Ronnie Malone Song 729 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,760 and I was Ronnie Lacombe, you know, and we went on vacation 730 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,760 together. We preached conference together. 731 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,880 We went to Canada probably 12. How? 732 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,040 Did they even put y'all's names on the flyer? 733 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:02,400 We, we had a layover in Boston, so he and our wife were with us. 734 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,520 And so I said I'm going to go out and get some Cinnabons and 735 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,920 come back. We're going to take the same 736 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,960 plane out. They would just had a layover. 737 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,720 And so my wife said no you don't have time. 738 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,600 I said Oh yeah. I said man, the Cinnabon place 739 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,440 is right there. So Ronnie said I'll go with you. 740 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,840 So then the wife said well we're going with y'all because y'all 741 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,840 going to miss the plot. Where we went we ordered it. 742 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,320 We got back to the terminal or to the gate and the lady said 743 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,600 we're sorry. So they've already, you know, 744 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,840 pulled air on that plane and they leaving. 745 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,280 I said, ma'am, we still got 10 minutes. 746 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,800 She said we've been calling for y'all and calling for y'all. 747 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,080 I said you've been calling for Ronnie Malone song and for 748 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,320 Ronnie Lacombe. She said no. 749 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:04,160 She said we've been calling for Melanchon and Lacumbees, so we 750 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,360 missed a plot. I never heard that over the 751 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:08,960 intercom. You. 752 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,520 Know so that's how we did. You mispronounced it even worse, 753 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,040 yeah. Like he and I are best of 754 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,520 friends, we have been for years and years and very close. 755 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,440 And it's nothing for me to call him and say, you doing all 756 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,560 right? You know, things you need to 757 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,360 talk about something, you know, how's your how's your marriage 758 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,480 going? Very candid. 759 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,600 We're very honest. And you need somebody like that. 760 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,640 You need somebody you can talk to, share with and be honest 761 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,400 that, you know, not going nowhere. 762 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,320 It's going to be right there. And he and I still very, very 763 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,840 close. I could call him right now. 764 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,680 And if I needed something, he he'll be in Alabama tonight. 765 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,120 That's awesome. So, well, that's just the way it 766 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,960 is, you know? And I, I, I urge people to 767 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,920 connect with somebody. Church get you a friend. 768 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,400 So important. There's, there is one, there's 769 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,040 one story that you've told that I'd like to hear. 770 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,520 It involved you, I hate to spoil it, but involved you were in the 771 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,920 hospital at some point in time and a doctor came and had talked 772 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,000 to you and then you couldn't find them. 773 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,400 Am I Speaking of the right story? 774 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,760 No, I think what you're what you're saying is it was a man 775 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,720 that came pray for me and I could. 776 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,280 The doctor couldn't find him. Yes, that's it. 777 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,600 OK, that one. I love it. 778 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,960 What happened was I'd already had a couple heart attacks and I 779 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:48,360 probably had 1015 stents at that time, and I'd had heart damage 780 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,960 and probably wasn't running on about 2530% of my heart. 781 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,920 I went deer hunting in Natchez, Ms. still thinking I was 782 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,240 bulletproof, you know, I just, man, I was just wasn't going to 783 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:06,680 stop, you know, and I was told not to hunt, you know, or be 784 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:12,000 strenuous and stuff. But I went to Natchez, Ms. and I 785 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,840 got a tree stand. Are you familiar with tree 786 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,280 stands? Those ones that, you know, we 787 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,760 call them Jack UPS, you know. And so I jacked up about 2530 788 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,760 feet on a pine and what I want to know what I could see down, 789 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,400 you know, and when I got to the top, which I was tired that, you 790 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,320 know, got to top out of breath, man, my world started just just 791 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,480 turning just I was spinning and I just couldn't get. 792 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,520 So I turned around, you know, because you're facing the tree 793 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,080 when you climbing. I turned around and I put my 794 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:59,560 knees where where I would sit at and I hugged that tree just to 795 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,800 kind of, you know, stabilize myself, you know, and I had a 796 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,080 cardiac arrest. So I fell out of that tree. 797 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,200 I don't remember falling out, but I fell out, hit the ground 798 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,800 and doctor said that's what got my heart started again was when 799 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:26,800 I hit the impact. I fell, I'm guessing 88 o'clock 800 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:34,320 8:30 I didn't wake up till 3. When I woke up I was in a pool 801 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,080 of blood. I was aching from head to toe. 802 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,280 I had a concussion. I broke my jaw, busted my teeth 803 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:47,360 out, I cracked my back. I cracked all my ribs. 804 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:54,160 One of them broke, punctured my liver and my lung and broke a 805 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,400 wrist. Other than that, I was pretty 806 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,920 good shape, you know, So I had to crawl out. 807 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,680 Nobody knew where I was at. So in the pain, I get up on my 808 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,040 knees and I crawl and I pass out, and then I crawl and pass 809 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,920 out. And finally I did make it to my 810 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,400 truck at the highway and I just laid down and somebody coming on 811 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:24,760 the road, they saw me and they took me to Natchez, Ms. to the 812 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,440 hospital where they wasn't too familiar with my problems. 813 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:35,920 You know, neither were there even good at heart. 814 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,200 You know, they were in the Heart Hospital. 815 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,480 Yeah. So I layed there for almost a 816 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,960 month and just, I was dying. I would just, I didn't. 817 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,040 I was in so much pain. Just in and out, in and out. 818 00:52:53,360 --> 00:53:00,640 My my family, personal family, my mom and dad and so many 819 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,440 church folks, they were there. They stay. 820 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,600 I stayed in there through Thanksgiving, through Christmas, 821 00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:14,600 through through New Year's. Well, then they finally, I got 822 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,160 the strength and they moved me to Lafayette, to my cardiologist 823 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,600 where, you know, he knew more what was going on. 824 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,480 You know, it didn't take just a few weeks. 825 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,840 I was feeling good. My ribs hurt, but I was feeling 826 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,280 good. And he said, how would you like 827 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,560 to just sit in a recliner over here? 828 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,760 And I said, oh, I'd love it. I hadn't been. 829 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,600 I've been on my back now for two months. 830 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,360 And so he said, well, let's put you over here. 831 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,560 I said, OK, so when he put me down, he wasn't hardly out the 832 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,680 door. And I said I'm having another 833 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,200 cardiac arrest because it was that room was spinning just like 834 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,640 it did when I was up. But it wasn't a cardiac arrest. 835 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:05,480 What it was was a blood clot from my bad lung moved in my 836 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,640 good lung. So the doctor told my wife said 837 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,840 this is he's weak and he's not going to survive this blood 838 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,800 clot, you know, so because my lung wasn't operating very good. 839 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:29,160 So anyway, I finally went out and I became on 100% life 840 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,840 support. It just kept going down until. 841 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,560 So the doctor finally came in after a few weeks and told my 842 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,880 wife said you know, machines is the only thing keeping him 843 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,960 alive. We just want you to know that. 844 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,360 And she said well he wouldn't want it to do that. 845 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,440 Said we'll make arrangements, I'll talk to my family and then 846 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,560 we'll make arrangements to take him off. 847 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,200 So he said OK. So my wife decided it was her 848 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,120 idea. She said let me, what I want to 849 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:08,280 do is, is call his friends and have them come, his preacher 850 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,600 friends and they can come and pray for him on a Tuesday. 851 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,840 Then we'll disconnect Tuesday night and then they can get the 852 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,000 body ready. Wednesday they had it all 853 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,920 planned and then Thursday we're going to have the wake and then 854 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,520 Friday we're going to have a funeral. 855 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,760 So they didn't ask me nothing about it, you know, But they 856 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,480 just. They had it already ready to 857 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,680 get. You out, you know, so anyway 858 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:42,040 that Tuesday over 100 preachers and their wives came through 859 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,880 that ICU unit. They opened it up, they came and 860 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,440 go 2 and 3/4 at a time. And so they prayed about four 861 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,920 5:00 they cut it off and said, you know, we we can't, we got 862 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,000 other patients. And so that she said, OK, I 863 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,960 understand that. So they let my family, my wife 864 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,720 and my boys come in and I mean, I wasn't aware of it. 865 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,160 And they stayed there a little while and found while the doctor 866 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:16,240 said go back to the waiting room and you got some friends stay 867 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:21,040 with you and said we going to disconnect him and said probably 868 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:27,360 30 to 45 minutes he'll be gone. Said, OK, So she did and went in 869 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:34,080 that room and Ronnie Malonso, my best friend, he told her, he 870 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,440 said don't worry, he's not going to die. 871 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,480 Wow. He said he's going to live long 872 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,040 enough to see grandchildren. And at that time, I had no 873 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,360 grandchild at all. And he told her, not a 874 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,240 grandchild. He'll live long enough to not 875 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,840 see grandchildren or he'll to see grandchildren. 876 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,440 Yeah, I got 6 right now. That's awesome. 877 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,560 So she said, well, I'm going, I'm going to accept that. 878 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,280 I'm going to hold on to that. Well, the doctor said he closed 879 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,280 the door after my family left. And he said he turned his 880 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:19,520 attention to all of these levers, you know, and he said 881 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,960 about that time there was a knock on the door. 882 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,920 So he said, I just went to the door and opened up. 883 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:31,480 And he said there was a tall, elderly, stately man standing at 884 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,840 the door. And he said, if you don't mind, 885 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,080 I'd like to come in and pray for my friend. 886 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,640 Wow. The doctor told me. 887 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,200 He said, I got mad. He said, we had, you know, the 888 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:51,160 ICU room open all day long. Why didn't he come there and get 889 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,560 come earlier? Yeah, why didn't he come with 890 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,520 the rest of the people? And he said, then I, I thought, 891 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:04,200 you know what, if he got through security and he got through 892 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,960 locked doors, who am I to shut him down right here? 893 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,640 Yeah, Yeah. So he said, I told him, come on 894 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,480 in. So he said preacher, he said he 895 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,440 went over there to the bed and he said, he put his hands on 896 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,480 you. He started praying. 897 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,960 And he said when he started praying, he said I knew him and 898 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,600 God just like this. He said I felt like I was 899 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,760 eavesdropping. And he said I backed away. 900 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,640 And he said he got me preaching or praying. 901 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,320 He said he was very nice. He said thank you, I appreciate 902 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:43,280 that. And he said the man went to the 903 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,840 door, open it and went out. And he said when I turn, he said 904 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,400 I never move. When I turn, he said all your 905 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,640 needles started coming up. And he said I went right to the 906 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,160 door. He said he just went out. 907 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,520 And he said I wanted to know which direction he went. 908 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,200 And he said when I stuck my head out and looked, I didn't see 909 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,080 anybody. And he said the nurse was right 910 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,080 across the hall. And she said to Doctor Stanley, 911 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,840 what are you looking for? He said there was an old man 912 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,920 just stepped in his room and prayed for my patient. 913 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,640 He said which way did he go, This way or that way. 914 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:28,960 She said, Doctor Stanley, it's been a long day and we're all 915 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,960 tired and I've been right here at this desk and I have never 916 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,640 left. She said and I won't tell you, 917 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,320 nobody went in your room and nobody came out of your room. 918 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,520 Wow. She said the last ones was his 919 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,880 family. He said well you better come 920 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:53,160 help me disconnect this fellow. He going to smother and she came 921 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,440 in there and they disconnected everything off of me Wow in 922 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,200 about two hours after giving me a little bath and stuff and 923 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:07,640 checking me and pulling wires when got my family we visited 924 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,800 till midnight wow and the next day at 4:00 I was in a private. 925 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,320 One thank you Jesus, that's amazing. 926 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:20,200 That's just an amazing story. It's it's, I know what 927 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,360 everybody's thinking, but I just kind of want to get your, your 928 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760 thoughts on it. Who do you think or what do you 929 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:31,000 think that man was? Angel, no doubt, I believe yeah. 930 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:38,480 And and just. That's, that's amazing to think 931 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,320 to, to know that at some point in time an Angel came and 932 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,600 touched, touched your body. I wish I'd like, I'd like to met 933 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,240 him. Yeah, you know, But they call me 934 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,200 the miracle man. I go to doctor often, you know. 935 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,760 And the doctor told me I'd never hunt again, and I do. 936 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,120 He said you'll you'll never fish again, and I do. 937 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,400 And he said you'll never preach again. 938 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,240 And I'll let people decide that, you know. 939 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,520 But God's been good, you know, to me. 940 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,960 I've got a defibrillator, a pacemaker, and I got 29 stints, 941 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,760 Wow. And my heart, I operate on about 942 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,000 10 to 12% wow. That's it. 943 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,840 Wow. So you're not going to see me 944 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,840 run around the building? I'm not going to do that. 945 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,880 I'm going to jump and bounce. That's OK, there's people with 946 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,000 100% of their hearts who won't do that either. 947 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:49,000 So anyway that that's the story, you know that God, but when I 948 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,600 fell out a tree, I busted my knees, my back still bothers me 949 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:58,280 and that punctured lung cuts my breath and so. 950 01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,880 I have a question for you, OK, So many detractors, you know, 951 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,840 people who naysayers, you know, will, will come up and they'll, 952 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,440 they'll, they'll, they'll take the argument of if God's so 953 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,360 good, why do bad things happen? You know what I mean? 954 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,960 That's the classic argument. Why can God be so good and he 955 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,040 allow bad things to happen, and you haven't lived a life where 956 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,440 you've had to overcome so many different things. 957 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,480 What's your perspective on that question? 958 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,200 Here's my and I've had to ask quite a bit. 959 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:34,520 Yeah, Jesus said. I came to seek and to save that 960 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:38,400 which was lost. Now that's the bottom line. 961 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,480 You better. You better get that clear. 962 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,920 He didn't come to give us a good job. 963 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,800 He didn't come to give us a Good Wife. 964 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,160 He didn't come to give us a nice car. 965 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,120 He didn't come to give us a good home. 966 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,960 He didn't even come to give us good health. 967 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,320 That was not his purpose was to save us. 968 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,520 And whatever God, not that he does it, but whatever he has to 969 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:08,160 allow to happen to get your attention, to be saved, He'll do 970 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,720 it. And I needed that because God 971 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:19,440 could foresee 15 years later, I would retire, I'd travel, and 972 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,320 I'd tell my story around the world. 973 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,800 Yeah, that's important. That's a good story. 974 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,800 And I would. People would come and be saved. 975 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,600 So I'm talking about personal experience. 976 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,960 Yeah. He didn't come to give me good 977 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,400 health. He didn't come to give me a good 978 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:43,720 heart, He came to save me and if saving me would help save 979 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,400 others, it's worth it to him because that's all he's 980 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,560 concerned with is saved life and life eternal. 981 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,840 He came to give us life, but he said I come to give it more 982 01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,680 abundantly. We, we take just life, which is 983 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,360 home, wives, so forth. But he said, I came to give you 984 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,160 abundantly. That's the eternal life, 985 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,040 forever. And do you think you think that 986 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,960 people struggle with that because they, you know, I guess 987 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,680 they still, they still want to hold on to their values and not 988 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,600 necessarily. But you know, people are funny. 989 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,080 I had one lady, she called me, she would been out of shape. 990 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:34,560 Her, her her daughter run in the front yard and cut her foot wide 991 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,040 open. And so they had it fixed. 992 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,400 I went to the hospital and she was, I know she was upset, you 993 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,960 know, So she said, well, why does God allow that? 994 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:50,520 My daughter right there small, I'm minding her own business. 995 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,680 And then she gets her foot cut gassed. 996 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,160 I said, you know what, first we need to ask ourselves, who put 997 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:04,560 that bottle there? Yeah, there's the answer we're 998 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,680 going to have. God didn't have nothing to do 999 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,040 with it. Somebody broke that bottle, 1000 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,760 somebody dropped it in the yard and somebody didn't take time to 1001 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,480 pick it up. There are some things that's 1002 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,920 just going to happen that I'm not saying God doesn't have 1003 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,040 control over. I'm just saying that's life 1004 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,720 that's going to happen. You know, you just blame him. 1005 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,400 You know, if you get in a wreck, somebody's side, you know, hit 1006 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,680 you on the side. It's not God's fault. 1007 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,000 The guy wasn't paying attention. He hit you. 1008 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,560 That's all. You know, I think we're two 1009 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,600 people that get blamed more than anybody is God and the devil. 1010 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,960 That's a good point. One person gets more credit than 1011 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,320 is due. The other person doesn't get 1012 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,120 enough credit. Exactly right. 1013 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,160 That's what we are. We're going to blame somebody 1014 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,120 and it you can't blame God, he said. 1015 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:04,800 Everything in order, OK, And you can't just go to the edge of a 1016 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,520 building and jump off the 9th floor and say, oh, God's going 1017 01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,880 to take care. No, he, you know He, he, he. 1018 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,360 Gave you a brain to not do. That right he. 1019 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,200 Gave us an example not to do that too. 1020 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:16,960 Right. Yeah. 1021 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,960 Itch. Yeah, Yeah. 1022 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,280 Jesus, right. Who only jump off the vision 1023 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:21,600 there. I know, yeah. 1024 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,160 So he came to save us. That's it. 1025 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,120 And he could have called legions of angels to stop him, but he 1026 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,920 didn't do that. He went ahead and suffered. 1027 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,080 Yeah, went ahead and died. The reason why he came to seek 1028 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,160 and say that we just lost. Thought him like everything he 1029 01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,520 did was to reach the soul. Yeah, yeah. 1030 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,000 And I think it's like with Eden, that was that experience, right? 1031 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,120 We didn't have death in the world at that point. 1032 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,120 Right. No, they knew nothing about it. 1033 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,440 But we live now, right? We started it. 1034 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:59,000 That's why you want to blame somebody, Blame Eve and Adam, 1035 01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,080 both of them. Yeah. 1036 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,240 The Bible says Eve was a mother of us all. 1037 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:08,400 Yeah, blame Mama, Don't blame God, because God told them leave 1038 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,560 the Bush alone. They went to the Bush and they 1039 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,440 said, well, Eden, no, Eden ate it, but he gave it to, you know, 1040 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,320 Adam. Why didn't Adam say no? 1041 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,480 Why didn't he jump in as a father and say, now come on, 1042 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,280 darling, we can't do this. He shunned his responsibility. 1043 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,920 So they're both but her being a mother of us all, if they want 1044 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,520 to blame somebody, don't blame God. 1045 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:42,640 He set things in motion for humanity and they and so then 1046 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:48,640 our DNA now has sin in it and it's passed on to 1 passed on to 1047 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,040 another. We pass it to our children. 1048 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,160 You don't have to teach your children how to lie. 1049 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,080 They got it. They they can lie. 1050 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,920 They learn it by themselves. So you can't, you can't, you 1051 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,080 know? It's just in our DNA the way it 1052 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:11,600 is, you know? I'll tell you curveball because 1053 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,360 of the with you bringing up the garden of and all that I heard 1054 01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,680 someone say or they threw out a theological question. 1055 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:18,960 I know this is like way curveball. 1056 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,000 But he said, you know, when, when God called out to Adam and 1057 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,600 Adam, you know, they hid themselves. 1058 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,520 And then when he got essentially confronted him about it, Adam, 1059 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,359 Adam gave excuses. He didn't take responsibility. 1060 01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,840 And the biggest thing is he didn't really apologize. 1061 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,240 The, the theological question for that situation is what do 1062 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,279 you think would have happened? What do you think God's 1063 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,040 obviously it was all orchestrated, but what do you 1064 01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,880 think God's response would have been or how things could have 1065 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,720 went down if, when that first happened? 1066 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,960 What if? What if Adam had just said I 1067 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,200 messed up and I sinned and and and ask for forgiveness at that 1068 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,240 point in time instead of trying to hide? 1069 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,840 You know, I don't know if they were even aware of forgiveness 1070 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,680 at that time. They really didn't know what 1071 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,040 they'd done. They didn't know the consequence 1072 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,640 of it all. You know, they were just a 1073 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,920 desire to have it. And that's still in our DNA. 1074 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,319 Now we have a desire to do something, but we don't stop to 1075 01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:26,560 think about the consequences. Everything we do, there's a 1076 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,120 consequent go behind and God still forgives us. 1077 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:36,840 But you're going to pay for your for your wrongdoing, Am I right? 1078 01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:38,840 Yeah. You know, you can do something 1079 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,479 terrible. You can come and say God forgive 1080 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,800 and he will, but you still have to pay for that sin. 1081 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,319 And saying goes back to Adam. I think they were going to have 1082 01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,720 to pay because he told them you're going to be cast out. 1083 01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,240 Yeah. And and it's not, it's not just 1084 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,120 maliciousness from God, but God's nature can't have sin, no, 1085 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,960 and have it in right. He can't not going tolerate it, 1086 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,800 you know. I guess the only, only thing 1087 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,600 left really, because we don't have too much time, but give us, 1088 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,160 give us some, I guess, dirty deets on our pastor because I, I 1089 01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,880 believe you. I believe you knew him. 1090 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,000 We've gotten some hints at it before in the past. 1091 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,240 I'm like, maybe we've got some fun stories. 1092 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,800 He said. You know, any stories about our 1093 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,360 pastors, what he's trying to say? 1094 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,280 No, I don't. That's funny. 1095 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:41,480 Oh, no, I've got plenty of other stories about the other pastors 1096 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,600 That's we have a good relationship, we laugh, we, you 1097 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,800 know, share things and but no, I don't. 1098 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,440 I don't. I mean bad things say about it. 1099 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,280 Make sure he knows that too. Oh yeah, you'll hear. 1100 01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,160 Click that, the check will. Clear. 1101 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,560 Man, so I got it. I got 111 real last question for 1102 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,880 you here. OK, there's something we do is 1103 01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,600 what's what's a lesson you've learned throughout your life, 1104 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,720 like a theme you learned throughout your life that you 1105 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,320 would consider somebody else could learn from, You know what 1106 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,000 I mean? Like what's what's something God 1107 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,360 taught you that you think is important? 1108 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,000 Somebody else knows, you know. And I don't know. 1109 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,240 As as tough, I mean we can. And I think we're all 1110 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,680 individual. Certainly. 1111 01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:34,560 You know, and he teaches us different ways. 1112 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,720 You know, you may not have to God make him punish you. 1113 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,480 You know, we got to whip me and world if God knows how to handle 1114 01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:46,720 people, certainly, you know, that's why David said the Lord 1115 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,920 maketh me to lie down in green pasture. 1116 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:55,000 He makes me lie down and God can get him when he's just ready for 1117 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,480 you. He can make you lie down, 1118 01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,280 brother. He can make you lie down to look 1119 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,880 up if he has to. And that's just God. 1120 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,040 That's the way he does it. I think he handles all of us 1121 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,560 just a different. It's just like we got two 1122 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,680 children, you know, one of my boys I could say now y'all going 1123 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:17,000 to be home at 12, One of them going to show up about 11:15, 1124 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,240 11/30 He's he's home now. The other one, he would come in 1125 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,640 about 1159, you know. But. 1126 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,200 But you have to handle them different. 1127 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,800 And so same thing God with us, He handles things different, 1128 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,760 whatever in a congregation. That's why some people don't 1129 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:44,520 understand a pastor's the way he handles things. 1130 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,600 And like he, you know, he made this one do that and he didn't 1131 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,480 he hasn't addressed this and he should have you handle you can't 1132 01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:56,440 compare, can't compare one another. 1133 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,600 What I can tell him and say, you know, I just want you to stop 1134 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,160 driving. Don't you drive at all no more, 1135 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,120 you know, and I can talk to you and I can say, you know, what 1136 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,880 you need to consider while you're driving that you know, be 1137 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,760 safe. And you know, there's dangers 1138 01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,440 out there. We handle it two different ways. 1139 01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,600 And so then you can look at, or he could look at you and say, 1140 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,520 oh, he lets you drive, but he won't let me. 1141 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:34,040 It's because he knows us. I know my boys. 1142 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,920 And so they'd put a basketball, go in the street and live in a 1143 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,640 subdivision. The neighbors would come. 1144 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,000 They would all play basketball, My boys. 1145 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,080 No, they weren't playing on the street. 1146 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,320 And the neighbors said, well, why? 1147 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,840 They said, you, you think you love your child more than we 1148 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,040 love ours. I said no, no, didn't say 1149 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,680 nothing about Johnstown. I said I know my boys, I know 1150 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,720 them. They going to get the dribbling. 1151 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:14,320 They not looking for cars. They focused they they are in 1152 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,680 there, don't have anything. And that same thing happens with 1153 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,960 area churches, other Pentecostals. 1154 01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:29,120 Whatever you want to say is that we all treat our our people, our 1155 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,800 family different. And then the Church of pastors 1156 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,400 going to he is going to treat people different. 1157 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:43,640 Because if I went and told you don't you ever drive again, you 1158 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,240 going to get mad and you going to spin your tires out of the 1159 01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,320 church and you going to leave and you'll never come back. 1160 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,120 OK, but I know he can handle it and he needs to. 1161 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,920 But I'm going to tell you to slow down and eventually I'm 1162 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,920 going to make you quit driving. But it's a start. 1163 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,160 Does that make sense? Certainly. 1164 01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:07,200 And so you you just have to handle everybody different the 1165 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:13,400 way it is and you have to trust and give the pastor that, you 1166 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:18,600 know, respect refugee to do that, you know, so it's 1167 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,120 interesting. Thank you so much for for coming 1168 01:15:22,120 --> 01:17:17,690 on here and speaking with us. Music.