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All. 
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So we've got a very special 
edition of the Live Gate podcast

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today. 
We've got me. 

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I'm definitely not John. 
I am Brooke, John's wife and we 

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have a special ladies podcast 
for you guys today. 

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Just a very sweet time and I've 
got 2 sweet guests with me 

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today. 
We've got sister Nikki Brown and

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then our pastor's wife, sister 
Michelle Penton. 

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How are y'all doing today? 
Doing fantastic, doing great, 

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good well. 
This is a little bit out of my 

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comfort zone to be able to lead 
something like this. 

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I know I'm very well versed in 
social media and doing stories 

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and reels and all kinds of 
stuff, but to actually guide us 

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into a conversation for 
something back and forth. 

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Hopefully we can make this go 
pretty well, but we've got a 

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couple of discussion topics here
that I think that if you know, 

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we tap into, we can kind of give
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you know, we go the day-to-day 
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wife, godly mother, women in 
ministry, you know, just 

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different disciplines in our 
lives that is a little bit 

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different from, you know, the 
male aspect. 

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So without further ado, we're 
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started in some of this. 
So I guess really how I want to 

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lead is give a little bit of 
your personal testimony to, you 

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know, your upbringing, kind of 
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but let us know, you know, how 
you knew the Lord. 

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Well, we are. 
Both very blessed to have been 

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raised into a home where our 
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And so my first day at church, 
my mother got checked out of the

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hospital, apparently, and 
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And I know that's also Nikki's 
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That's just the way my mom 
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And so I was, I don't know how 
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days, less than a week old. 
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the hospital, I mean went to the
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every time the doors were 
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So if we had prayer meeting, we 
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If there was back then, it was 
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I was there. 
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we were there. 
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classroom, we were there. 
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mean, Nikki did too, but just, 
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It was always important to us 
serving the Kingdom. 

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We had some very influential 
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grandmother, my Aunt Annie, the 
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Then our obviously our pastors 
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the years, but in my life, 
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was about 17 years old, there 
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life that made such an impact. 
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I wanted to dress like them. 
I wanted to worship like them. 

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I learned to worship. 
I learned to, to pray long, you 

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know, before I received the Holy
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Of course, you know, it wasn't 
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received the Holy Ghost just I 
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19 and 74 and received the Holy 
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And I'm so thankful. 
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A lot of people will say 
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really understand. 
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understand either. 
We, we can't comprehend what 

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it's really. 
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take you back to the place where
I received the Holy Ghost today 

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because I will never, ever 
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And now I'm 55 and have had the 
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just love it. 
It gets, as my grandmother used 

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to say, you get sweeter 
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Nikki, what about your 
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Well, similar story, except I 
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because my sister, older sister 
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taught piano lessons and shoot 
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So I would go to church because 
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had me there. 
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the Lord forever, you know, like
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anyway, I do feel like we had a 
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came to women, you know, And I, 
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job with my children 'cause I, 
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And it's like they just live at 
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But that's OK. 
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just, that is just OK, you know?
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rundown of mine. 
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a little break and I'll kind of 
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my boyfriend at the time and he 
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at the fresh age of 16. 
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decade, You know, just seeing 
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husband had here is one of the 
first, you know, families here 

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at Lifegate, but kind of almost 
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will, of like that secondary, 
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through and just been loved ever
since, you know, being here. 

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So I do want to move on to kind 
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just because there are so many 
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the church, not just what we see
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Sunday school teachers and 
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hospitality and music, 
mentoring, you name it that, you

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know, there is no cap on what 
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So Sister P, I'll let you speak 
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that's kind of your, your focus 
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you know, that topic. 
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ministry, I feel it's just a new
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The fact of the matter is women 
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Maybe they have been licensed as
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But I was raised by women, not 
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mother and my aunt that I 
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full of women who were deep into
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And that's what we caught it 
back then, that you were working

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for the Kingdom. 
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It's working for the Kingdom. 
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hands find to do it, do it 
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And that is something that we 
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we could do for to feather the 
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And I witnessed my mother being 
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teaching Sunday school, teaching
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cleaning the church, greeting 
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I didn't really remember this, 
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someone found a video of Mom 
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worship, and I'd, I guess that 
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we grew up in that I didn't even
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I just never thought about it, 
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were used equally. 
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being involved in ministry is 
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That's the key, just finding a 
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serve because just like in our 
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thing. 
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great at one thing and that's 
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all different kinds of hats as 
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We do and we can do that in the 
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We don't have to just be well, 
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Well, I'm a Sunday school 
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power of a Sunday school 
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The influences that a Sunday 
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children is I always tell our 
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need to really pray and fast 
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over your Sunday school lessons.
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teachers actually have more 
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and their spiritual destiny from
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pastor does. 
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power, I like to call it 
discipleship because that's what

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it is, teaching Sunday school, 
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just the power of being a godly 
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just doing the things that we 
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Bible and, and, and servanthood 
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the role of just being, just 
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are as Apostolic. 
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same thing that there's some 
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Like I know that I have a gift 
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me to say, well, that's all I'm 
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I feel like God gifted me in. 
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say the way we were raised is 
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singer, but I don't feel like 
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she still served there. 
Her gifting I feel like was in 

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Sunday school. 
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phenomenal Sunday school teacher
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whole entire life. 
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I mean, the things that she did.
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can't do it like her, so I can't
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And I feel like that is a lot of
the mindset with people that 

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they feel like they're not 
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there. 
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taught that if there's a need, 
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you what you need. 
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You know, and I, I, there's so 
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the church and this, you know, I
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should be begged to be, to be 
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And it is a balance. 
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this because I have a family and
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balance. 
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that. 
This is true. 

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It just, it just takes it's a 
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But I feel like whenever your 
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God will will help you balance 
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It's good, I agree. 
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always tell me is Michelle 
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was a lot of things that were I 
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do. 
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children Sunday school is not my
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I did it even when it was just 
my children, you know, until God

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sent Cheryl, thank the Lord to 
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But I think the key is, you 
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everything really is submission.
Because when we humble ourselves

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before the Lord and we really 
start thinking about all the 

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good things that God has done 
for us and, and just the miracle

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of salvation in itself, then how
can I not just do whatever my 

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hands find to do? 
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say, I just want, when I die, I 
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Jesus. 
I don't want to have withheld 

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anything from him because I know
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And really there's just two 
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him say and it's either well 
done, my good and faithful 

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servant, or depart from me. 
I never knew you. 

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I want to hear well done, my 
good and faithful servant. 

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I want to do well. 
I want to serve well and I want 

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to be faithful in everything and
in whatever that means, whatever

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that looks like here, whether 
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on a Sunday afternoon, if it's 
whatever, whatever that looks 

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like. 
I just want to be a part of of 

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the big picture. 
I want to be a part of God's 

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work. 
Really sweet little snippet. 

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My personal story of coming to 
Lifegate, the very first service

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that I walked into. 
Oh goodness, it was packed at 

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all. 
Railroad bed. 

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There was a period there where 
we got pretty, pretty packed. 

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So I'm searching around, trying 
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And I haven't even met John's 
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So I'm like, I don't even know 
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I'm just going to sit over here.
Well, sweet Rachel Brister walks

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over and, you know, as most 
members should, whenever 

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visitors come through with 
greeting, you know, But she 

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said, I think I know you. 
You know, where do I know you 

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from? 
And in that moment, I knew 

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exactly who she was. 
And I had told her, well, you 

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were one of my very first Sunday
School teachers, so to go back 

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on the power of the Sunday 
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And I don't know how old I would
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last remembrance I had is at 

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that age, but maybe, and I think
I was 16 at the time coming 

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here, knowing immediately who 
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You never forget that. 
So yeah, just to hype up our, 

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our Sunday school ladies of what
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it's very small, small portion 
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realm of oh man, I've got to get
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get a snack. 
All the snack. 

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It's got to meet all the kids 
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Can't be goldfish every Sunday. 
But just know that you know you 

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make such an impact. 
Let's go ahead and go on to some

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of the spiritual disciplines in 
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Sister Pi, know that you are so 
faithful about having a prayer 

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call just about every morning 
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I know you do some personal ones
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district as well, but meeting on
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personal devotion to us as 
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not just to us individually, but
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So I guess really where I want 
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guess portion of your life or 
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set something and establish it 
daily so. 

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Well we probably have the same 
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Every night before we went to 
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In fact you all witnessed my dad
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right few years before he passed
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Something we've been praying for
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But every night as long as I 
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remember this not happening. 
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and my mother prayed with us. 
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my dad, she'd he would lay right
there beside us and and he 

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probably wasn't praying because 
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would just thought it was 
important that he even joined us

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even though he was not living 
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Yes, as a whole family, we just 
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said, lying on the bed, but mom 
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Now you have to remember by the 
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already 10 years old. 
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old and a baby. 
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We never, I don't ever remember 
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Now as I got to be a teenager 
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got a curfew and all of that. 
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there to pray at night with 
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without praying. 
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course, we were, you know, 
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your Bible, You, you need to 
pray. 

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Those were two things that were 
just constantly mother read a, a

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chapter in the Bible to us every
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And then we prayed. 
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turning point in my life was in 
1984. 

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I was probably in 9th grade, 
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grade going to 9th. 
I can't remember that Brother 

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Anthony Mangan preached a sermon
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forever changed my life, and it 
was called my obligation to my 

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generation. 
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gave all of us this little 
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it was basically a tracker long 
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And he challenged us to pray 
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every day, to fast one day a 
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week out of the month to fast 
three days a week. 

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That I took that challenge and 
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And I believe that that because 
it took discipline and it took a

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long time to establish that 
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and you get to raising children 
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kilter and health issues and all
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But that summer, that sermon 
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And it was probably when you add
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already been formed in in my 
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didn't want to, we would 
complain not long because she 

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didn't allow it be. 
Sometimes there'd be like, oh, I

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was about to go to bed. 
Those habits. 

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It's really discipline. 
That's a word that we use 

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erroneously, I think sometimes 
raising our children, because 

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discipline is not punishment for
crimes committed. 

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Discipline is a way of life and 
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just instilling discipline and 
modeling discipline before our 

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children. 
But for me personally, I already

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thank the Lord already had that 
established in my life, those 

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habits already established in my
life. 

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But that summer of 1984 is when 
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I think, well, I know when my 
relationship became my 

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relationship and I'll just be 
transparent if that's OK. 

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When I was a young teenager, I 
was a wild heathen. 

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My mother had done the best she 
could and it took really well 

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with my sister. 
But I was just a little wild 

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heathen, you know, and I was 
just going to do what I wanted 

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to do and just, you know, and 
so. 

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When I was about 15, we moved 
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and I had started to feel a need
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better Christian and, and not 
be, but I haven't really give 

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any. 
I mean, I was still going to 

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church and I still looked the 
part and I still did everything 

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I was supposed to do. 
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was I was not on a good path and
I'm very competitive. 

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So my sister decided that would 
be a great thing to use against 

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me. 
Well, use for me. 

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Now I know that she convinced me
to be in Bible with in the 

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church, started Bible with in 
team. 

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OK, now I didn't like school, 
didn't like the idea of studying

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period. 
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And so I'm like, well, you know,
I, I can this is the breeze. 

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You know, I can just listen to 
something and I can make 100 on 

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a test. 
So surely I can show these 

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people up in Bible with him. 
And that's really the reason I 

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went and I started studying and 
reading the Bible every day. 

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And then God just became real to
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So I, that's why I support Bible
quizzing 100%. 

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But I, it changed my life. 
It did. 

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And that's when my relationship 
with God became real, when I 

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really got and started reading 
the Word, and it just became 

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alive to me. 
And so I do feel like I would've

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been on a totally different 
path. 

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Even though I said we were right
the same way, it still had to be

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my decision. 
And so just things like that. 

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But that's discipline. 
I'm at streaming ADHDI talk a 

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million times. 
Yeah, 1,000,000 words a minute. 

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And Lord help. 
But you know, but God can help 

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even me to have discipline. 
And I feel like he did that 

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through Bible quizzing. 
That's awesome to hear. 

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holiness in lifestyle and 
conduct? 

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Because, and I'll speak from a 
personal level, it is very, very

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difficult when you've got 
challenging things all around 

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you to maintain, you know, your,
your convictions, especially 

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when you're raised in this and 
you start questioning, well, you

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know, what's the world like? 
What is it like on on the other 

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side? 
So sister pay, I'll let you 

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speak on on that topic. 
You're definitely going to get 

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two sides of the coin here. 
Like she said, we were raised in

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the same home and raised the 
same way pretty much, except 

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there was 10 years difference 
between us. 

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Her parents were at different 
spots in their lives raising us.

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But I grew up obviously in 
public school, huge public 

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school. 
I don't know what it was about 

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me, but I really like being 
different. 

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It did not bother me to be 
different. 

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Mom always raised us. 
We, we grew up in a church that 

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affirmed us as young godly 
women, which is why TCG is so 

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important to me. 
I want to always affirm our 

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young ladies as Apostolic, as 
who they are beautiful, that God

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made us beautiful. 
Because we can say, oh, that's 

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not important. 
It is important. 

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It's just the way God made us. 
We, we like to be affirmed in 

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who we are as, as ladies, no 
matter what the age, whether 

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we're 3 or 33 or 103, we want to
be affirmed in who we are. 

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And we like to feel beautiful. 
And I'm very thankful that I 

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grew up in a church that 
affirmed us as Apple Stolic 

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ladies and our pastor really 
would would, you know, brag on 

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us. 
He took notice. 

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Our pastor's wife took notice of
us, our, you know, Sunday school

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teachers, everybody. 
So I, I feel like that was a, a 

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problem where, you know, I, I 
never really struggled with 

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outward holiness. 
I just, I never really did it 

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it. 
I love this Apostolic lifestyle.

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I love that when I walk in a 
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everybody else. 
I love that and it's not a 

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prideful thing. 
I'm not, I'm not prideful, but I

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am proud of who we are. 
I'm proud of what we stand for 

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being, not falling to the lives 
of Satan, that we're not good 

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enough. 
There's one thing that I have 

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noticed that no matter what 
culture and this and this really

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came to me after studying and to
teach World Lit, you start 

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looking at all the cultures of 
the world and the standard of 

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beauty for every single culture 
in the world is different. 

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I mean, there are some cultures 
that say you got to have black 

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teeth to be beautiful. 
That's what's beautiful. 

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And in some cultures, you got to
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skinny to be beautiful, or you 
need to be fat and and and 

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overweight. 
In some cultures, that's what 

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that's the standard of beauty. 
Or you need little tiny feet or 

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you need big, you know, big 
whatever. 

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There's so many cultural things 
where the that the standard of 

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beauty. 
But the one thing I've noticed 

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is that the cultural standard, 
the standard of beauty is never 

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God standard of beauty. 
It's always something different,

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changing our bodies, doing 
something to make us different 

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from what God made us, when in 
actuality, he makes all things 

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beautiful. 
Everything we look at the 

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scripture says, hey, look out 
there at those flowers and the 

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grass and, and any of us can 
appreciate the beauty of nature.

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Well, how much more does he 
beautify us? 

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The ones that he actually gave 
his life for? 

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And I, I love that and I love, I
just, I love the word of God. 

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I love the blood of God and then
the the preciousness that he has

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chosen to clothe us in. 
But it's not just outward beauty

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because that inward beauty is 
the most important. 

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Now I believe that inward 
holiness is paramount. 

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I've been praying, Lord, let our
church be so full of the fruit 

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of the Spirit. 
Let us operate in the fruit of 

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the Spirit. 
And I know that most people 

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pray. 
Let us operate in the gifts of 

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the Spirit. 
My prayer has been let us 

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operate in the fruit of the 
Spirit, in that inward holiness,

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because really all of the 
outside is just a reflection of 

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Christ in us, the hope of glory.
And I also just want to be 

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separated as a woman in this day
and age. 

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I am proud of who I am as a 
lady. 

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It's hit me a little longer than
it did her to get to that 

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realization, but I'm there now. 
I would not take anything for my

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anything for my journey now. 
Got to make it to heaven somehow

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anyway. 
But I will say, like we said 

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before, we're we're polar 
opposites. 

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We just really are. 
And that's not a bad thing. 

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You know, it takes it takes all 
kinds. 

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But I do like I can relate to a 
different personality of 

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teenager. 
I was a personality as a 

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teenager and a young teenager 
and a kid that not that I didn't

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want to stand out because I 
wanted to stand out for my 

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intellect, you know, and I 
wanted to stand out if I wanted 

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to go sing and everybody tell me
how beautiful I could sing, you 

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know, as a little kid and all 
this. 

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I mean, I loved all that she. 
Sang just like she does now as a

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kid. 
Just want you to know. 

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And I ate it up. 
I really did. 

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I loved, I loved that, that kind
of standing out. 

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But on the flip side of that, 
when I was at school, I'm also a

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people pleaser. 
And I'm still kind of that way 

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in a good way now that I wanted 
everybody to like me. 

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You know, I wanted to be, I want
to be popular. 

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I want to be in with a popular 
kid, but I want everybody to 

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like me, not just popular. 
I just wanted to be light. 

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And whatever I had to do to be 
light, I would whether that be, 

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you know, sitting in the crowd 
and listening to their jokes and

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putting on their makeup and 
whatever, you know, that my mom 

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would have just killed me if she
knew I did any of the stuff that

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I did. 
She probably did and just gave 

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me a little bit more grace than 
I thought she did. 

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But I would, that's just, that's
just my personality. 

445
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,680
I wanted everybody to like me. 
And so I would say, I think it 

446
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,480
was eighth grade, my mother and 
dad moved to Greenville, Ms. and

447
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,120
I was taken out of public school
and put in a church school 

448
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,760
because the church there, the 
Pentecostal church there had a 

449
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,320
school. 
At first I was like, OK, what a 

450
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,880
drag. 
You know, these people are not 

451
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,720
going to be any fun at all. 
You know, where are my people? 

452
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,320
But I get there and it was now. 
I was still here then for a 

453
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,800
while. 
Don't get me wrong, I was still 

454
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:56,520
still getting there, but I had 
some very life changing moments.

455
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,000
There were just just like little
things, little seeds that were 

456
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,400
planted in my life. 
Sister GAIL Eller taught us a 

457
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Christian charm course and 
taught me just how to be a lady,

458
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,520
you know, And I saw how to be a 
lady, you know, with my mom and 

459
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,560
my aunts. 
And I appreciate all that. 

460
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,440
But I wasn't trying to please 
them, you know? 

461
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,080
And so, but just seeing Sister 
Ellard, she was like the epitome

462
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,960
of beauty and grace and like she
was a hero to me. 

463
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,560
And still is. 
Oh, she's amazing. 

464
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,520
But she just to see her and like
her perspective on things, you 

465
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,720
know, I just kind of, I wouldn't
say idolized that, almost 

466
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,480
idolized her. 
And thank God, thank God I did, 

467
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,600
because she taught me how to get
in and out of a car and how just

468
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,640
wonderful it was to be ladylike.
And then of course, she put in 

469
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,040
things about the beauty of 
holiness and how to stand out 

470
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160
and that just that just changed 
my life. 

471
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,800
And then, you know, and I would 
say another time where Brother 

472
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,200
Ellard just came to me one day 
and it was I was struggling. 

473
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Somebody had hurt my feelings, 
you know, which is a big deal to

474
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
me, you know, at 14 that 
somebody hurts your feelings. 

475
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,920
And he took the time to me and 
say, you know what? 

476
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,520
You just, you know, you just 
need to, and he would tell me 

477
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,800
what I need to do. 
He just took the time with me. 

478
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,160
He they pulled me in the office 
and just took time with me. 

479
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,200
And it's just little things like
that that I thought I was just 

480
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,240
life changing and I started 
realizing you. 

481
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,160
I don't have to blend in with a 
crowd that I am special. 

482
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,840
I would say they taught me that 
was special the way that I was. 

483
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,240
And and I feel like I maybe I 
maybe by the time that I got we 

484
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,720
moved back down to South 
Mississippi. 

485
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Maybe that's maybe my heart was 
just softened enough that when I

486
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,760
started Bible quizzing, you 
know, God just does everything 

487
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,400
in his timing, you know, But I 
just will attribute all of that 

488
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,920
to getting a love for the truth 
and a love for for holiness and 

489
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,600
godliness. 
I think that's really what it 

490
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,400
all boils down to is what's and 
go back to what I said 

491
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,040
previously, humility. 
When we humble ourselves before 

492
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:13,120
the Lord, I just can't help but 
love him. 

493
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,000
And I think at this point in my 
life, if I read in the Bible, 

494
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,160
you must wear a purple dress 
every single day, then I would 

495
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,200
just go buy every purple dress I
could find because it, it 

496
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,320
doesn't matter to me. 
I just want to be like the Lord 

497
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,200
and I want to make a good 
representation of him and his 

498
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Kingdom any way possible I can. 
And I, I love. 

499
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
I think that's just all it boils
down to is just loving God. 

500
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,720
Of course, you know, as women, 
you know, we want to be 

501
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,960
affirmed. 
And I, I am very thankful that 

502
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,640
I've had men in my life. 
My dad always affirmed us as 

503
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,360
ladies, even though he wasn't 
serving the Lord. 

504
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,240
My dad always wanted us, you 
know, to have the, the best he 

505
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,480
could afford. 
And sometimes that was nice and 

506
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,200
sometimes it wasn't. 
Sometimes it was Walmart and 

507
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,600
sometimes it was, you know, 
Dillard's. 

508
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,440
But he always, if we had 
something, usually for our 

509
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,680
birthdays, we'd get a new dress 
and he'd make a big deal or at 

510
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Easter if we got new, sometimes 
we got new Easter clothes. 

511
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,920
Sometimes we didn't, you know, 
But if we did, we'd model our 

512
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160
clothes and he'd say, oh, you 
look so pretty. 

513
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,240
And then, you know, now I have, 
you know, I went from a dad like

514
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,960
that to a husband like that who 
constantly affirms who I am as a

515
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,040
Holy Ghost filled woman and as a
beautiful in his eyes, a 

516
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,520
beautiful Holy Ghost skilled 
woman. 

517
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,520
You know, And I think that's so 
important that when I see all of

518
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
our young girls at church, I 
want to offer, I don't care how 

519
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,080
old they are, I want to tell 
them how beautiful they are. 

520
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:06,360
I want to affirm them as as 
women, you know, as who they 

521
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,840
are. 
They are beautiful. 

522
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,360
They're beautiful to me. 
They're beautiful to God. 

523
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,520
I agree with that, that my 
husband's the same way. 

524
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,560
I feel very blessed in that that
he has, no matter what stage of 

525
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,920
life I was in, if I could come 
in with my hair from work and my

526
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,760
hair, just whatever, you know, 
he'll kiss me. 

527
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,360
Hey, beautiful, I'm thinking, 
who is he looking at? 

528
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,400
You know, because I look like 
this. 

529
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,920
But it's very, very important 
man, if you're listening, man, 

530
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,040
to let your wife know how 
beautiful they are, the way God 

531
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,600
made them. 
Because everything you, you see 

532
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,360
on any kind of videos or TV's, 
TikTok, whatever, it's telling 

533
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,480
you what you need to do to make 
yourself better. 

534
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Now, I'm all for getting 
healthy. 

535
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,000
I'm on a health journey right 
now and I'm feeling better and 

536
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,320
I'm all about that health wise 
because I think you just take 

537
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,480
care of your temple. 
Took me a while to get there 

538
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,760
too, to take care of my sample, 
but I'm there. 

539
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,760
I'm getting there. 
But it's just very important, 

540
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,240
man. 
Tell your wives how pretty they 

541
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:04,000
are and how they don't need what
the world tell them they need to

542
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,240
be beautiful. 
Well. 

543
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,720
You know that you went back to 
something like social media is 

544
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:18,480
just such, so against every 
lady, not just Apostolic ladies,

545
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,800
every lady, because there are 
two lies. 

546
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,800
I feel like that come out of 
social media right now. 

547
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,160
One, you are just perfect and 
the other one is you're not 

548
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,880
enough. 
And both of those are lies. 

549
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,800
One, we're not perfect. 
We're constantly needing God to 

550
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,480
work on us. 
We are constantly in that state 

551
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,640
of, of what did Brother Woodward
say that salvation is the most 

552
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,120
fluid word because we're, you 
know, we're saved our initial 

553
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,040
conversion and then we are being
saved because we're being 

554
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,480
perfected. 
And then one day we will be 

555
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,840
saved when we hear him say, well
done, you know? 

556
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,360
But in this, we're not perfect 
just like we are. 

557
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,160
We constantly need God to create
in us the clean heart, to renew 

558
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,960
in US the right spirit. 
We're constantly needing the 

559
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,720
Lord to put us back on that 
Potter's will and to shape us 

560
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:22,080
and to make us into what he 
would have us to be. 

561
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,400
But the other lie is, is that 
we're not good enough, that 

562
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,560
we're never enough. 
We can't, we can't dress well 

563
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,520
enough. 
We can't do enough at home and 

564
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,280
you know, and we're not pretty 
enough. 

565
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,800
We're not skinny enough or we're
not toned enough or we're not 

566
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,680
smart enough or whatever. 
That's a lie as well because we 

567
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,920
are. 
We're enough that God gave his 

568
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,800
life for us. 
So we aren't enough. 

569
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,000
And the gifts that God has given
us, he just, that's for a 

570
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,600
purpose. 
He has put the body. 

571
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Fitly joined togethers and we 
all have a role to play. 

572
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,520
I really think that that's 
probably was my struggle, being 

573
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,280
the people pleasure that I was. 
I never felt good enough. 

574
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,400
I never, I mean, I I just, you 
know, well, if I get in with 

575
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,920
this crowd, you know, everybody 
will like me and I'll be good 

576
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,240
enough. 
I just did not feel good enough.

577
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,880
You know, and I think that 
you're right on. 

578
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,120
You're right on with that. 
And it was we didn't have social

579
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,840
media like we do now, but it's 
always the spirit. 

580
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,800
It's always in that. 
Spirit of the age, You know, 

581
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,440
going back to my high school 
years, I think I've shared this 

582
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,160
before with some of our young 
ladies, but there was a time 

583
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:43,240
where I would walk down the hall
and people go, you know, why do 

584
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,400
you wear a skirt all the time? 
Or you know, there goes that 

585
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,520
skirt girl. 
And I remember just being really

586
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,920
upset about it. 
And mom's like in a school of 

587
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,960
5000, everybody knows who you 
are, you're popular. 

588
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,640
I was like, oh, of course, yes, 
they all know. 

589
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,440
And you know, my attitude 
totally changed. 

590
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,760
And that year I got elected to 
the student council at my school

591
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,920
and I didn't even really run. 
It was like a write in vote. 

592
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,960
And some of the girls or some of
the people had written the girl 

593
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,920
that wears skirts all the time. 
And in the 10th grade, there 

594
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,200
were several of us from our 
church. 

595
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,960
And I asked my teacher, Are you 
sure this was me? 

596
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,000
And she said I knew who they 
were talking about. 

597
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:40,320
And I just thought that did 
something to me as a 10th grader

598
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,600
or 11th grade. 
I was in 11th grade that did 

599
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:49,600
something to me that made me 
want to really stand strong. 

600
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,560
And, and I, and now, you know, 
recently I had the opportunity 

601
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:02,120
to run into someone from high 
school that I had not seen well 

602
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,560
since high school. 
And that was I graduated in 1987

603
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:14,160
and I left Batesville in 1986. 
And when I ran into her just a 

604
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:20,040
chance meeting in a restaurant, 
she said, I knew you would never

605
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,000
change. 
And that just did something to 

606
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,480
me. 
And I was so thankful for that 

607
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:36,040
testimony and just so thankful 
as a teacher. 

608
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,080
It doesn't. 
The pressure doesn't get any 

609
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,840
easier the older you get as a 
teacher. 

610
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,440
I felt the pressure, you know, 
when I first began teaching. 

611
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,960
But, you know, I was also the 
music director at the church. 

612
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,600
So, you know, you got to come to
the line. 

613
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:57,400
But then no, seriously, but 
about I guess what about five 

614
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:04,160
years ago when I got contacted 
from Facebook and one of my 

615
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,800
former students who had 
graduated me, it must have been,

616
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,360
it might have been longer than 
five years ago. 

617
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,960
I've lost track of time, but one
of my former students of all the

618
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,120
girls that I taught. 
Because you do tend to get 

619
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,680
closer to some of the kids. 
I worked closer with some of the

620
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,320
girls in the Beta Club and 
different things like that. 

621
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,840
This one, of all the girls that 
I would have thought was 

622
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,240
watching me, this was the one I 
would have never really said was

623
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,800
watching me. 
But she contacted me on Facebook

624
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,880
and said, Miss Penton, I just 
needed to tell you. 

625
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,640
I received the Holy Ghost and I 
was like, what? 

626
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,080
That's so exciting. 
And later on we we got to have a

627
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,280
conversation and we still keep 
in touch. 

628
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,560
But she said I always knew 
something was different about 

629
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,440
you. 
And I just decided at this point

630
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,400
in my life, I want to figure out
what it is. 

631
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,680
And she said, and I figured I 
knew, I figured out what it was.

632
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,200
And I decided I want to be just 
like that. 

633
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,760
What we don't know what are 
silent testimony? 

634
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,680
You talk about being a woman in 
ministry, just living for God, 

635
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,640
just being who we are as 
Apostolic. 

636
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:29,000
Women is one of the most 
powerful ministries there is. 

637
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,400
I will say on this, like on the 
flip side of this is that, you 

638
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,080
know, I don't discount your 
testimony if you've made 

639
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:44,240
mistakes because I I was the 
least likely to be still in 

640
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,400
church among my youth group in 
Mississippi. 

641
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,880
I was just tell you right now. 
I was the if they were to take a

642
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,280
poll who's not going to be 
living for God as an adult and 

643
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,960
raising their kids in church, it
would be it would have been me. 

644
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,800
I'm not that's embarrassing. 
It really is. 

645
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,800
But because I just that's just 
that's just who I was at the at 

646
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,480
the point time anyway. 
I will say, though, that the 

647
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,760
redeeming grace and love of the 
Lord that no matter what you've 

648
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,760
done or where you're at in your 
life and you feel like you're 

649
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,480
far gone, that God can redeem 
you. 

650
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,640
And I was able to be a witness 
and in Greenville, Ms. God moved

651
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,120
us back there for a few years 
and I was able to be a witness 

652
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,840
to some of the young people that
I, I could cry talking about. 

653
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,160
I'm sorry, young people that I, 
the ones that we thought was, 

654
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:40,560
would still be in church have 
gotten so far out that they 

655
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,440
didn't see a way up. 
And you know, I would just 

656
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,360
randomly I've run into people, 
you know, and I felt like that 

657
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,760
God was able to use me. 
Like, look, I was the least 

658
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,480
likely, least likely ones that 
we thought that God would be 

659
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,040
using in ministry as an adult 
and, and God forgave me and 

660
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,920
found me a place. 
And I'm not saying that I was 

661
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,400
just a horrible person. 
Don't think all that, but I 

662
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,800
wasn't on a good path, you know,
and, and my friends knew it, but

663
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,480
but I can say that there are so 
many people I have seen since 

664
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,280
then that God has just restored 
their lives. 

665
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,040
And I do feel like that God used
me and that path. 

666
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,880
And so like I said, if you're in
a, if you're in a state where 

667
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,800
you feel like that you've just 
gone too far, that is not that's

668
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,440
not true. 
This guy can still use. 

669
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,160
You and that's what I love about
the grace and mercy of God and 

670
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,720
there's no big eyes, there's no 
little use. 

671
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,800
He loves us all and his mercy is
just everlasting. 

672
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,720
Monday in school we were 
reading, you know, Genesis 19, 

673
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,240
which is not a very beautiful 
story to read. 

674
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:10,520
But at the end of Genesis 19, 
you learn that, you know, the 

675
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:16,160
very terrible story of Lot and 
his daughters and and that one 

676
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,000
daughter's offspring became the 
Moabites and the other one 

677
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,560
became came the Amorites. 
And then you realize, wait a 

678
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:32,200
minute, Ruth in the lineage of 
Jesus, Moabite woman, is that 

679
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,400
not just a beautiful story and 
one of the few women even 

680
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,880
mentioned in the lineage, 
lineage of Jesus? 

681
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,960
Ruth, the great, great, great, 
great, great, great 

682
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:53,240
granddaughter of a horrible sin 
who didn't even know Jehovah 

683
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,920
except through marriage, and yet
she became in the lineage of 

684
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,960
Jesus and was mentioned. 
And that is just a beautiful 

685
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,360
story of our lives. 
The enemy would like to burden 

686
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,480
us down. 
On the one hand, if we've messed

687
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,240
up or we've done things or 
he'll, he'll make us. 

688
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,880
Everything seems so much bigger 
than it than it is, but he'd 

689
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,240
like to weigh us all down with 
guilt and with shame and just 

690
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,080
oppress us. 
But that is not God's will for 

691
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,600
our lives. 
God's will for our lives is that

692
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,800
we are overcomers. 
But we are overcomers by the 

693
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,520
blood of the Lamb and by the 
word of our testimonies. 

694
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,720
And it doesn't matter. 
It doesn't matter how many times

695
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:50,120
we've fallen, doesn't matter how
many times, because some 

696
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,880
people's failures are outward. 
Like Nikki is referenced when 

697
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,280
she was a teenager in her 
struggles, they were outward. 

698
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:04,520
Am I more inward? 
Bad attitudes, you know, 

699
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,320
arrogance, pride, things that I 
struggled with. 

700
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,680
But the mercy of God, the blood 
of Jesus clears us of all of 

701
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,480
those stains and he picks us 
right back up. 

702
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,280
No matter how many times we fall
down, he's, he'll pick us right 

703
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,280
back up. 
And I just love that about the 

704
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,800
Lord. 
Since we're on the topic of 

705
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:36,480
ministry, what is encouragement 
for young women that are wanting

706
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,600
to enter ministry and they're 
just not sure where to start, 

707
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,600
where to go, what to do? 
I mean, yeah, you can pray the 

708
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,680
word and and ask God to hate, 
tell me what my calling is. 

709
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,160
But to actually engage in that 
and start that that journey as a

710
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,680
young lady, what would you say 
is is the best route for that? 

711
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:02,440
Well, I think that we have this 
mysterious vision of this is my 

712
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,840
calling, I believe got every one
of us have a calling and I think

713
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,320
the very the way to get involved
in that is just get involved. 

714
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,240
Whatever you see that needs to 
be done, do it. 

715
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,200
If you see that, oh the the 
restroom needs attention before 

716
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,760
church, just do it. 
Because God is never unless he 

717
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,520
changes the way he's done in the
Bible for all these years. 

718
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,520
And I don't see that happening. 
God doesn't just pluck you up. 

719
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Sometimes it may seem like that 
in the Bible, He just plucks 

720
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,440
people up, but in reality, 
there's a history there, right? 

721
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,960
He's not just going to go, oh, 
here today, now you're going to 

722
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,600
be used in this way. 
It's a process. 

723
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,480
I think if you feel God and, and
every one of us should feel God 

724
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:02,720
calling us and he is calling all
of us, just get involved any way

725
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,600
you can. 
What can I do? 

726
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,680
Hey there. 
There's so many things that 

727
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,160
needs to be done, you know what 
I'm saying? 

728
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,320
The little things like emails 
that need to be sent. 

729
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:25,240
Oh, I'll cards written to our 
guest, you know, greeters, 

730
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:30,040
people that will make sure that 
nobody sits alone when they come

731
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,560
to service. 
That is a big, big ministry. 

732
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,200
You know, just looking around 
and being aware. 

733
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,960
Oh, taking out the trash, 
getting involved in the Kingdom.

734
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,600
That's where I never I mean, 
that's just the way we were 

735
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,520
raised right and just doing 
whatever there was to be done. 

736
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,400
And then God just little by 
little, step by step, because in

737
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,320
all of that he teaches you. 
So in addition to, you know, 

738
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,720
just praying and fasting and 
reading your Bible and and 

739
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:10,200
studying, just get involved 
because one thing will lead to 

740
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,080
the next thing, which will lead 
to the next thing to live next 

741
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,880
thing. 
And at the time, you may feel 

742
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,600
like your life is going all jig,
you know, like zigzaggy and you 

743
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,080
know, but one day you'll look 
back and go, no, in actuality, 

744
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,760
everything that I learned along 
the way was leading me to this 

745
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,600
time and this place. 
And that's how you ultimately 

746
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,040
walk in. 
The calling of God is 

747
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:40,520
faithfulness in all things, just
being faithful, being here every

748
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,080
time the doors are open, 
worshipping, you know, being 

749
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,200
involved in whatever way you can
be involved. 

750
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,280
Just just get involved and he 
will open the doors. 

751
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,840
I agree with that. 
I view things like, I tell my 

752
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,920
kids at home, don't ever tell me
that that's somebody else's job.

753
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Whatever your hand, my favorite 
Scripture, whatever your hand, 

754
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,520
find it to do. 
Do it with your might. 

755
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:09,800
Because I mean, it's 
Ecclesiastes, you know, what is 

756
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,600
what's right for me to do what 
is right. 

757
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,440
Well, it's never wrong to take 
out the trash. 

758
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,480
You know, it's, I mean, I'm just
saying anytime you find 

759
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,800
something to do, just just do 
it. 

760
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,600
And like she said, you'll, 
you'll see, you'll see the path 

761
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,640
that God lays out for you. 
Maybe in hindsight one day 

762
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,520
you'll see it. 
But just like I just exact same 

763
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,560
thing that just the way I just 
got involved in ministry and 

764
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,840
when we had been to a few 
different churches because we 

765
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,400
had to move with my husband's 
job and stuff and in every place

766
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,480
we were used in ministry and I 
can see it was because we just 

767
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,000
did it. 
We were there, you know, they 

768
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,280
called a church work night and 
we showed up, you know, or they 

769
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,240
needed somebody to help with the
building program. 

770
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,040
So, you know, yeah, they we 
volunteered and I just just say 

771
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,320
that just whatever your hand 
find to do, do it. 

772
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,760
That's good. 
We'll get on the last topic 

773
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,600
here, which is leaving a godly 
legacy. 

774
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,920
And this kind of, I'll be 
honest, broke me because once I 

775
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,120
became a mom, things kind of 
shifted from, oh, it's all about

776
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,760
me. 
But you know, you're, I don't 

777
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,560
know, it's just you change as as
a lady to a mother because you 

778
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,200
realize who all you're 
impacting. 

779
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:30,520
And so how would you say that 
the lasting influence of a 

780
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,160
mother and wife's faithfulness 
not only in church but in 

781
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,760
ministry, but to your family as 
well, obviously the impact that 

782
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,280
that can make. 
Here's where I might get 

783
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,880
emotional. 
But as I've mentioned several 

784
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:57,960
times, I was so blessed to have 
godly women in my life. 

785
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,760
You see, my dad was not 
necessarily raised in this 

786
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,400
truth. 
His parents got the Holy Ghost 

787
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,360
after he was on up a little bit,
right? 

788
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,840
But when my grandma and my 
grandpa got into the truth, they

789
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,880
tried so hard to get their 
healing sons, you know, but they

790
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,640
just weren't receptive. 
So when these boys got married, 

791
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,360
they made it their mission to 
make sure that those daughter in

792
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:38,400
law's knew the truth. 
And my mom and my aunt to the 

793
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,800
godliest lemon that I know are 
products because my grandma and 

794
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,640
my grandpa decided they were 
going to disciple them. 

795
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,720
They were going to make a 
difference. 

796
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:56,920
They would not give up. 
And both of those ladies just 

797
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:03,800
live for the Lord so long almost
their entire married lives 

798
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,880
without a saved spouse. 
They raised their children in 

799
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:15,200
the truth. 
Both of them though, well, my 

800
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:22,080
mom did not see my dad receive 
the Holy Ghost, but my dad came 

801
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:29,720
to the Lord because of the 
lifestyle of my mother and my my

802
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,920
uncle received the Holy Ghost 
three years before he died 

803
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,920
because of the lifestyle of my 
aunt. 

804
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:46,640
You cannot get away from the 
importance of a godly mom. 

805
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,080
Godly and godly dads, that's a 
whole different topic. 

806
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:58,240
I mean, but in in 100% we need 
godly priests of our homes, but 

807
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:04,680
moms the heart of the home and 
if our heart stays submitted to 

808
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:13,520
God, you just absolutely cannot 
put there's no price, there's no

809
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,800
worth. 
There's no way to measure that 

810
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:23,640
impact of a godly mother and in 
leaving the legacy. 

811
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:31,040
I am the product because of my 
grandma and my mom and my aunts,

812
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:39,760
you know, I I'm a product of all
the women in our church, many of

813
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,600
which who have gone on just one 
of them as far as I can and far 

814
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,600
as I know is still living for 
the is still alive and still 

815
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,000
living for God. 
I recently just saw her. 

816
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,640
You just cannot put in. 
There is just no way to measure 

817
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,080
how important that is. 
And and we're going to mess up. 

818
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,400
We do I again, I wish if I had a
dollar for every time I had to 

819
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,240
go back to my children and say, 
I'm sorry, I didn't handle that 

820
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,400
well. 
I was wrong. 

821
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,600
Please forgive me because I 
just, you know, we're we make 

822
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,000
mistakes. 
We're not perfect mothers by any

823
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,240
stretch of the imagination. 
There is no such thing as the 

824
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,280
perfect mother because we're all
human. 

825
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,360
But like David, the thing that 
made David so the man after 

826
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,360
God's own heart was certainly 
not that he was perfect because 

827
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,000
he was a flawed, messed up human
being, but yet he was a man 

828
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,280
after God's own heart. 
And I think it was because he 

829
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,040
was so quick to repent. 
And I want to be that same way. 

830
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,280
And if there's anything that I 
can leave my children, I want to

831
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,200
leave them a love for this 
truth. 

832
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:00,240
And I want to leave them with a 
desire to serve the Lord with 

833
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:04,320
all their might, but also with 
the understanding to know, hey, 

834
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,240
you mess up. 
It's not the end. 

835
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,960
As the song says, it's not over 
until God says it's over. 

836
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,560
And God doesn't say it's over. 
He says, come to me, all you who

837
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,880
are weary and heavy laden, and I
will give you rest. 

838
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,280
He says rejoice not against me, 
O my enemy, when I fall, I shall

839
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,040
arise when I walk in the 
darkness, the Lord will be my 

840
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,640
light. 
And that's just the thing that 

841
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,160
if we could just get that and 
and just live that in front of 

842
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:41,040
our children, it will change 
their lives. 

843
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:47,680
My now I stand here and Sunday 
morning for the first time, I 

844
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,000
little Kaden came up and was, I 
looked over there and he had my 

845
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,880
husband's hands and they were 
just, you know, worshipping. 

846
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:02,360
And I thought about all the 
generations from my grandpa and 

847
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:12,720
grandma to my mom, to me, to my 
son, and now to my grandson, 5 

848
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:19,480
generations because just five 
generations ago my family was 

849
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,120
Alcoholics. 
The Lord brought my grandpa out 

850
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:31,720
of alcoholism and I'm so 
thankful that now, 5 generations

851
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,960
later, my grandkids are doing 
exactly because I was the kid 

852
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,120
that was holding my grandma's 
hand and worshipping or holding 

853
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,800
my grandpa's hand and 
worshipping the sea and my 

854
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,400
grandpa on the platform praising
the Lord. 

855
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,320
Nikki didn't get to see that 
much because he died. 

856
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,760
She didn't get to see it at all.
He died when she was six weeks 

857
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,840
old. 
But I was that kid and now to 

858
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,920
see my grandkids doing the same 
thing, that legacy. 

859
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,960
There is no other legacy that's 
more important. 

860
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,000
I'll never leave my kids. 
Lots of money, lots of land. 

861
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,800
But if I can just leave them 
this truth, that is all that 

862
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,440
matters. 
I definitely agree with that. 

863
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,280
There were some generational 
curses that were broken in our 

864
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,200
family that and I think about, 
you know, we were talking about 

865
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:34,200
our differences and how just as 
quickly as my mother and my 

866
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,480
grandfather brought generational
curses in our families. 

867
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,480
I could have put that back on my
family just as easily. 

868
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,520
And that scares me that I 
shudder to think that, you know,

869
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,000
that where my kids might would 
be had I not found a love for 

870
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,240
the truth. 
And thank God for his redeeming 

871
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,240
power. 
Thank God, Thank God for my 

872
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,240
godly husband. 
Thank God for you know, and my 

873
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,680
sweet mother-in-law, my 
mother-in-law is a godsend when 

874
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:09,080
my when my mom died and she is 
she became a even bigger part of

875
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,440
my life just because and I told 
her, I said you have to live 

876
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,640
forever because, you know, my 
mom's gone now, you know, and my

877
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,400
sister, I just I take teacher 
about being 10 years older than 

878
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,280
me, but she really is, I mean a 
mother figure to me, you know, 

879
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,720
you know, and and I appreciate 
that, but I hope to leave my 

880
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:33,360
kids the same legacy that you 
hear me crying now. 

881
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,720
Oh my goodness, talk about my 
girl. 

882
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,200
I got a grandbaby and one more 
on the way. 

883
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,600
So. 
Exciting. 

884
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,920
But Everett, you know, just it 
doesn't for my heart when I, 

885
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,720
when I get videos of him singing
praise, you know, by Brandon, 

886
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,800
like, you know, and I get him 
video that his favorite song is,

887
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,800
you know, get up, get up, get 
up, get up out of that grave. 

888
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,280
You know, we were on FaceTime 
and he is bouncing on the bed 

889
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,840
singing gospel songs and and 
singing about breakthroughs. 

890
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,680
What does the 2 year old know 
about a breakthrough? 

891
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,960
But you know, one day he will 
one day he'll need that 

892
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,280
breakthrough. 
And I just hope that maybe in a 

893
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,760
nurse, you know, that's just 
that's just from I'm sorry. 

894
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,920
That is not my, not my. 
If my boss is listening, she 

895
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,240
knows my heart and I'm sure 
she'd agree with me. 

896
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,240
I love my job, don't get me 
wrong. 

897
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,480
I love being a nurse, and that's
the ministry in itself. 

898
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,560
I do feel like I can be a 
minister at my job, but that is 

899
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,000
not my calling in life. 
Is not that I'm a nurse. 

900
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,080
If they forget the fact that I'm
a nurse, wonderful. 

901
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,720
Because that's not what that's 
not what defines me. 

902
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,320
I want to be defined as a godly 
mother. 

903
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,320
I want them to remember how that
they were not too good to clean 

904
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,720
a toilet when they were three 
and four years old. 

905
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,960
We were cleaning, cleaning the 
church and vacuuming. 

906
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,000
Want they, you know, their 
friends might be out playing. 

907
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,480
You know, we had things to do 
and they had plenty of fun. 

908
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,000
We had plenty of social 
interaction. 

909
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:02,840
But I feel like I hope I have 
instilled in them the importance

910
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,320
#1 to be in faithful to God, 
like you said, being there every

911
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:13,400
time the doors are open, every 
time, you know, I mean, and like

912
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,920
that we're not too good. 
Everybody's a minister. 

913
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,720
We're not too good to clean a 
toilet. 

914
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:23,400
You know, I want them to just 
have those values. 

915
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,360
And I want the next generation 
and whenever and my new 

916
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,920
grandbaby and all the 
grandbabies I'm going to have if

917
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,800
I have any more, my kid 
threatened me. 

918
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,440
That's all I'm going to get it. 
Just these two. 

919
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,400
But you know, I just hope that 
they will just keep this going 

920
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,480
and look back. 
And now I just have me crying 

921
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,240
that I'm so thankful they're not
going to look back. 

922
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,400
Well, oh, my grandma, she was 
there. 

923
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,760
You should have seen her on her 
Harley. 

924
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,040
You know, she was a she was a 
mess. 

925
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,120
You know, they, they hopefully 
they never see that part, that 

926
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:02,040
they only see what God has done 
and what, what God has saved 

927
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,400
them from. 
Does that make sense? 

928
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,480
And I just, I just hope that 
they always just keep God first.

929
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,840
Just keep God first because 
these things on earth are 

930
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,040
temporal. 
And like you said earlier, 

931
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,480
there's only two ways it's going
to go in heaven. 

932
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,360
And I want to get to heaven and 
have all of my families 

933
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,280
surrounded me, everybody anyway.
I just hope that I can leave 

934
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,560
them that legacy. 
And truly, the only thing we can

935
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,040
take to heaven with us are 
people. 

936
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,840
We'll not take things, but we 
can take people with us. 

937
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,520
And I like you. 
I want to see all of my family 

938
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,640
there and all of our church. 
Family, I was saying this in one

939
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,720
of our small groups. 
We were talking about that very 

940
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,600
thing about being thing, being 
temporal. 

941
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,080
And you remember I had to come 
apart because something wacky 

942
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,320
with my storage and I thought I 
had lost a bunch of very 

943
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,080
important stuff when we first 
moved here. 

944
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,760
I thought that they had. 
Anyway, my stuff was gone, I 

945
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,440
thought, and I had a complete 
come apart. 

946
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,920
I am balling and squalling and 
I'm beside myself. 

947
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,480
There's so many things that my 
kids stuff in there. 

948
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,280
There's, you know, there's some 
clothes from when they were 

949
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,520
little and there's their distant
bed and this little thing and 

950
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,520
that little thing. 
I can't remember all the little 

951
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,720
things that I had thought that I
lost and probably aren't still 

952
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,400
in storage right now. 
Because, you know, I'm just 

953
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,560
saying because I'm 88 G, I'll 
tell you, I really, really am. 

954
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,280
Have grace with me. 
But I will not forget what? 

955
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,080
And now I'm not saying God spoke
to me audibly, but he, this is 

956
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,080
what God impressed. 
He stopped me in my tracks, one 

957
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,880
of my come apart moments and was
like, if you really thought that

958
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:58,440
I was coming as quick as you say
that I'm coming back, why are 

959
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,240
you so worried about things? 
Why are you so worried about 

960
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,080
things? 
And I it just, it is really just

961
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,960
kind of broke my heart at that 
moment that I had spent all of 

962
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:14,000
this time worried about 
something that is going to fade 

963
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,520
away and pass with the world. 
I'm not saying don't keep good 

964
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,040
care of things. 
Y'all know that's not what I'm 

965
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,840
saying, you know, and I think 
I'm just so sentimental. 

966
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,360
I would keep everything and your
kids are going to throw it. 

967
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,360
Away when you die anyway. 
I'm just, I know nobody's going 

968
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,000
to want it. 
I promise nobody's going to want

969
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,160
it. 
It's going to be sitting back 

970
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,560
there in the back of my storage 
room. 

971
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,920
But I'm just saying I would keep
everything. 

972
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,720
But how much time do we spend on
that kind of stuff? 

973
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,600
You know, what could we be doing
that with that time that's going

974
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,680
to actually matter? 
And that just was. 

975
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,360
And so that's another thing in 
my legacy. 

976
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,920
I've hoped that passed it on to 
my kids. 

977
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,280
That doesn't matter. 
The the temporal thing just 

978
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,280
don't matter. 
And what matters is, is the 

979
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,240
eternal. 
Thank you ladies, so much for, 

980
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,400
you know, being a part of this 
episode. 

981
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:06,400
You have any final comments that
you want our listeners to to 

982
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,200
know? 
It could be women in ministry, 

983
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,360
could be motherhood, being a 
godly wife, or it could be a 

984
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:17,160
completely different topic. 
Well, I think as ladies, all of 

985
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,960
the things that we've talked 
about really just kind of embody

986
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:25,560
all that we are, we are, we are 
a lot of different things just 

987
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,720
wrapped up in one big package. 
And I think it's just an honor 

988
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,800
and a privilege to be living in 
this time. 

989
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:38,880
And this day and age is, I know 
it's crazy, but it seems it's 

990
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:43,160
easy. 
Our world is so messed up that 

991
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,440
it is easy to let our light 
shine. 

992
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,360
So we really need to let our 
light shine and to be who God 

993
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,760
has called us to be. 
And what an honor and privilege 

994
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,000
that the Lord. 
I tell my students this all the 

995
01:05:54,000 --> 01:06:02,200
time. 
God could have put anybody in 

996
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,160
this day and age in 2025. 
He could have waited and put 

997
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,560
Ruth in 2025. 
He could have waited and put 

998
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:23,040
Esther in 2025, or Deborah, or 
JL, or Dorcas, Priscilla and 

999
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,760
Hannah, any of the there's a 
bunch. 

1000
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,840
I mean, we started making list 
of women in the Bible and it's 

1001
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,840
unbelievable how many women are 
in the Bible. 

1002
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:36,880
He could have put any of those 
beautiful ladies in 2025, but he

1003
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:42,080
didn't. 
He put us and I don't want to 

1004
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:47,640
take that lightly. 
I want to be walking in what he 

1005
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,160
has called me to be and, and 
just love this word. 

1006
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,360
Eat as Jeremiah said, eat this 
word. 

1007
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,800
I want to to consume it. 
I want it to be part of who I am

1008
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,960
just just just as much as 
anything we digest physically 

1009
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,960
becomes who we are. 
Unfortunately, in the particle. 

1010
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:14,000
I want this word to be part of 
me and be so deep in my 

1011
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,040
spiritual DNA. 
Well. 

1012
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,640
My mom told us. 
Mama told us that if you live 

1013
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,600
for God, easy and LAX, it's hard
to live for God. 

1014
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,360
But if you live for God hard 
with your whole heart, it's 

1015
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,920
easy. 
It's not even a, it's not even a

1016
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,960
choice I have to make anymore. 
You know, it's not a question. 

1017
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,120
If I'm going to, you know, pray 
today, it's not a question. 

1018
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,880
If I'm going to put on a dress 
today or whatever I'm going to 

1019
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,800
do, you know, whatever I've 
chosen to do that it's just not 

1020
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,000
even a choice anymore. 
You know, if I'm are we going, 

1021
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,440
it's Wednesday night. 
Are we going to church? 

1022
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,880
Are we, you know, that's not 
even a that's not even a 

1023
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,640
question because I choose to 
live for God with all my heart 

1024
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,520
and that doesn't make me better 
than anybody else. 

1025
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,320
Now that's just me personally. 
I just just, it's just not even 

1026
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,520
a, it's not even hard anymore. 
It's not a choice. 

1027
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,760
And so I think that's what 
that's just a good philosophy. 

1028
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,640
If you give yourself totally to 
it, then it's just your, it's 

1029
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,160
just your nature. 
And I feel like that's what we 

1030
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,399
are striving to be. 
It's become like the nature of 

1031
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,720
Christ, Christian, we want to be
Christ like, you know, and so 

1032
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,840
that's just my philosophy, 
philosophy to live by.