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What's up everybody, thank you 
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the podcast. 
We've got a good one in store 

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for episode 4 with a lot of good
wisdom and advice along with a 

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very interesting salvation 
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So we're excited about this one.
I do want to note again that we 

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are conducting weekly Google 
Meet calls on Mondays to kind of

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review these episodes, but also 
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give their personal stories and 
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It's an opportunity for you to 
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of the things that God's doing 
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So we really look forward to 
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They've been really awesome. 
We heard about the miraculous 

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things that happened just this 
last time and uplifting words of

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encouragement. 
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So with that, we will send it 
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And thank you for tuning in 
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God bless. 
John Bossing the 4th, he's got 

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quite a great #4 story, yeah. 
And we'll try to navigate it and

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see if we can get there. 
But this will be also. 

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I was talking to him last night.
This will be our first guest 

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that went through a pretty big 
chunk of his life without having

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knowing really much anything 
about religion or, or, or 

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Pentecostal or any of that. 
So we'll just start from the 

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scratch. 
Dad, we'll told me last night 

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there was a particular story 
when you were young that kind of

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planted the seed for that. 
There might be something out 

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there other than just 
nothingness. 

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Yeah, when I was four years old,
my mom went to a coma for two 

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weeks. 
And at the time, my sister was 

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five, I was 4, my brother was 2.
You know, you're just kid, You 

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don't know anything about it. 
What happened? 

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We was just told that she was 
sick. 

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And later on life, 7th grade, I 
decided to ask her. 

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I said, you know, mom, when you 
went into a coma, could you hear

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people talking around you? 
Would you see? 

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Would you experience what was it
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And she said, when I laid there,
I, I saw an image of a man with 

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light just shooting out from 
him, so radiant and calm and 

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tranquil. 
And as I approached, it was such

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a piece and a calm. 
And I said, well, who was it? 

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And she goes, I think it was 
Jesus. 

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You know, when we were growing 
up, being called gentile would 

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have been nice. 
We were called heathens. 

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And so neither side of my 
family, mom or my dad was 

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involved in any type of 
religious activity. 

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You know, they said if you 
wanted to go to church, fine, 

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go. 
But they didn't practice. 

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They didn't live it. 
I didn't have no example in 

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front of me on either side, even
going grandparents and so forth.

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And so, you know, I asked her, I
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comprehending what was going on 
or not? 

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And she goes, I don't know. 
All of a sudden the thought just

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came. 
I got to go back and raise my 3 

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kids. 
And so that's when she woke up 

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from that. 
And so from there I was just 

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like, OK, well who is this 
Jesus? 

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Because I would, I would like to
know about this peace and calm 

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that she's talking about and 
this grandeur of majestic, you 

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know, and I'm like, you know, so
that was the seed that was 

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planted. 
And so I would go to various 

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churches. 
I won't name any of them. 

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But the truth of the matter is 
when I went to them, they were 

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very unfulfilling. 
It was bad. 

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It's like, you know, here I am 
13 years old. 

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I'm trying to find a spiritual 
experience. 

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But the places that I went to 
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So I didn't pursue it. 
I was just like, well, you know,

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if this was being called a 
Christian, I don't feel any 

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different. 
I got baptized. 

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I said I got sprinkled in the 
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Holy Ghost. 
I got wet a little bit, but it 

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was just, like I said, it was 
unfulfilling. 

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I mean, there was nothing there.
It felt like for, you know, 

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talking about a God so great. 
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what I've got was like, 0. 
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So we went further on into life,
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into the old Marine Corps. 
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And that's where that's where it
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And what happened was, is I'm on
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attached off a helicopter 
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We were actually considered a 
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would go out to the 
Mediterranean for six months, 

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come back the land for a year, 
go back out six months and going

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through that whole time. 
Well, when I first got out of a 

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school and went to campless 
June, that squadron had just 

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left two weeks ago, so I missed 
the float and everyone's like, 

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you don't want to go on one of 
those anyway. 

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You know, it's terrible. 
You got to live out of the shoe 

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box in your sea bag. 
The food's nasty, you know, So 

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I'm like, yeah, I don't want to 
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So when they came back and the 
next appointment was getting 

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ready to wrap up, they're like, 
all right, John, you're coming 

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with us. 
And I told my top, you know, I'm

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like, hey, hey, top man, I, I 
don't want to go. 

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He goes, don't worry about it. 
I got you. 

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I'm like, all right, cool, top, 
you know. 

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So the first, the Sergeant major
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requested me and they said, no. 
I said, I don't know how you did

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that top 'cause he's above you, 
you know, he goes, I've been in 

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here for a while. 
All right, good. 

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You know. 
Then all of a sudden, the next 

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set of orders came down from the
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'cause when you, when you go 
float, you go composite, you 

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bring the air in the ground, 
everything comes together. 

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And I don't know what he said or
where he went, you know, but I 

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got out of it. 
I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, 

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I'm not doing this thing. 
I'm telling you, you know. 

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And about a week later, you 
know, he's like, oh, man's 

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corporal, I need to talk to you.
Like, oh, man, they say this 

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don't sound good. 
And he's like, I did everything 

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I could. 
Just want you to know I did 

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everything I could for you, but 
these orders are coming down 

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from Headquarters Marine Corps. 
The commandant is saying you're 

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gone. 
I said, well, you can't go above

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that. 
It looks like I'm going, you 

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know, so I'm on the board ship 
and when you're on there, you 

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have a 2 shifts. 
You're either 7:00 in the 

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morning, seven night or seven 
night, 7:00 in the morning. 

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And so when I got off a little 
bit earlier, I got into what 

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they call a rack. 
It's your bed. 

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It's a rack because it's like a 
torture rack and that's why they

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call it that. 
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he was on top. 
I was on on the middle. 

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So every time that he would get 
off work, he would step on my 

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rack and launch himself up to 
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Well, I would be about in the 
middle of a sleep when this 

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happened. 
So after about, I don't know, a 

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couple weeks, I got fed up and 
so he, he came off 1 morning and

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jumped man, I, I felt like he 
just like shaking the rack and I

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jumped out of that thing. 
I said, all right, buddy, get 

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down. 
He said what? 

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I said get down off of that 
rack. 

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It's happening. 
Are we talking about? 

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I said, get down out of that 
rack, man, you, you are 

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deliberately waking me up every 
I told you not to do that and 

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you keep doing it. 
Well, that's the only way I can 

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get it. 
No, you don't have to find 

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another way. 
And now we're doing it and 

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there's no, I can't do that. 
And I just, I said, this has got

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to stop, you understand, You 
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And so it's so humiliating. 
The next night he's out talking 

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with three guys outside and just
right outside the rack there and

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he starts talking about the 
Lord. 

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And I'm like, what he says 
sounds right. 

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You know, it's like, man, he's 
talking about he's getting a 

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Bible study set up down at the 
child hall with the Gunny down 

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there and about 14 nights. 
And I'm like, man, I I'm going 

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to have to swallow my pride and 
ask. 

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And I said, hey, his name is 
Brother Ken Arkin. 

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I said, hey, hey, Ken. 
I said, would you mind if I came

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down to the child hall with you?
He's like, yeah, I would love 

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it, man. 
I'm like, are we we still cool 

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about the other incident that, 
you know, he's like, yeah, don't

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worry about it. 
You know, so that that started 

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off and went down there to the 
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And I said start off about 14 of
us and within about two weeks it

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was just me and him that was it.
That was on there. 

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So he would teach me and we 
would talk about church and he 

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had a the Pentecostal that had a
big old binder. 

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I forget what to call it, but 
it's had all these lessons in 

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it. 
I forget it's not a searching 

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for true thing, but it's a it's 
just a big old binder and had 

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it. 
We just went through that every 

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night for about 10 hours for the
whole ship. 

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And then eventually through it, 
you know, you start to 

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understand. 
He didn't, he didn't push it, 

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which was good. 
But God revealed to me, you need

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to repent. 
You need to get baptized and you

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need to get the Holy Ghost, you 
know, and I all sudden, I guess 

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fear came upon me because I'm 
out here in the middle of the 

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ocean and all the sailors in 
that say, do you know why this 

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ship is designed the way that it
is? 

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I'm like, no, he says it's kind 
of look like an aircraft. 

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He's on the Guam. 
I said that's why you guys call 

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it going under any minute 
because of what this is what's 

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happening. 
I said, that's awesome, man. 

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I'm, I'm facing eternity. 
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And you're fixing to attack this
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I'm like, oh, man. 
And he just kind of like, 

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please, Lord, let the sun come 
up another day. 

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I just, I, I got to get saved. 
And so we were heading our next 

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port was in Sicily and Italy. 
And I said, hey, man, can you, 

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can you baptize me? 
He's like, Are you sure you want

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me to do it? 
I said, I don't know why not? 

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You got the Holy Ghost, right? 
He said, yeah. 

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I said to me, you're authorized 
to do this. 

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I said, I have to do this, man. 
You told me, you know, you know,

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in this word, you told me I got 
to do this and I don't want to 

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wait. 
I can't wait. 

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This is my soul and the balance 
here. 

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He's like no problem. 
So we got out, we pulled in the 

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port and Sicily got to change 
your clothes. 

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I said I don't want to do just 
right, right here in front of 

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everybody where they're coming 
in and off the boat. 

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I said, let's go down here, you 
know, couple 100 yards. 

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And yeah, he baptized me there 
in the Mediterranean Sea. 

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So that that was that. 
And then I so I repent. 

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It got baptized and I need the 
Holy Ghost. 

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I had no idea what have you and 
I was just up board ship up on 

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the flight deck, you know, you 
have watching that make sure 

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that all the helicopters are 
chained down and that I'm out 

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there to bow the boat. 
I didn't know any better. 

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And just here I am, Lord, just 
with my hands up, you know, I 

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didn't say anything. 
I'm like, come on, man, how's 

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this? 
How's this supposed to happen? 

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You know, I'm standing like an 
idiot. 

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I don't know. 
I get. 

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That's why I see the thing about
Titanic. 

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So, yeah, that's what I look 
like right there, just out 

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there, you know, and, and so the
crews ended. 

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We went back and I went to the 
church. 

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And that morning, I forget what 
the message was or what have 

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you, but there wasn't an altar 
call. 

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And I'm just like, man, this 
thing is going on. 

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I'm getting nervous, you know? 
And then they had Sunday night 

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service. 
And like I said, I have no idea 

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what the message was. 
He started start talking, man, 

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Tears start running down my 
face. 

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I'm like, I don't know why. 
And I'm just like, I got to go. 

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I got to go to the altar, right,
Right in the middle of their 

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service and everything, You 
know, I just, I didn't, I didn't

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care. 
I knew the urgency for me is I 

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got to get saved. 
I got to fulfill this plan of 

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salvation. 
So I went up there, start 

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praying for me. 
And then all of a sudden it was 

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just like warm oil just hit the 
top of my head and just slowly 

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went down my hands and that 
started shaking, you know, and 

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I'm pretty reserved. 
So this was pretty dramatic for 

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me, you know, start, start 
speaking in tongues. 

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No one told me, hey, say this or
that. 

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It's just that this is how it 
happened. 

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And through that it let me know 
how this experience is real. 

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And just like I say to anybody 
else, if, if you can show me 

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scripturally a better way or 
closer way to live the God, I'm 

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all for it, you know, but for 
right now, from what I see, the 

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message that comes from the, the
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this is this is it, you know, So
that's, that's the experience. 

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What do you think comparing 
yourself before your 

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transformation, like before 
your, before your, before your 

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repentance, baptism, Holy Ghost,
What do you think about how your

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state of mind was before that 
and after? 

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Do you feel like you had that 
radical change that some people 

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talk about, or it was it like a 
gradual kind of thing for you? 

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I'd say it's almost kind of 
radical. 

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The whole, the whole thing is 
like growing up and not having 

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no one talk, talk about the Lord
or any kind of an example to be 

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given you, you're just right 
along with the masses. 

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And so then when you do start 
hearing the truth and that, then

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you realize, you know, the grace
of God to allow you to be alive 

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and, and to hear this truth is 
pretty, you know, it's, it's 

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awakening. 
It's kind of like get put and go

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jump in that pool of water 
that's cold, you know, so you 

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know. 
And was that in North Carolina? 

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Because North Carolina is where 
you were, you would go back. 

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Or was it in Italy? 
No, or I got the Holy Ghost was 

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in New River, North Carolina. 
OK, that was where the church is

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at. 
That's where actually I I seen 

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my first miracle in that not one
of these TV show things going on

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anything like that. 
They actually had a lady she had

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cancer and she was in a 
wheelchair, couldn't walk. 

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You know, I've been to several 
services seeing where, you know,

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they Wheeler in she's in the 
back. 

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But for this service, you know, 
all of a sudden you hear, you 

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know, women high pitched scream,
you know, I'm like, hey, what's 

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going on over here? 
You know, she was, she was 

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walking like slowly. 
It's kind of like you having to 

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get your muscle strength back 
into your legs and that for not 

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walking. 
And then eventually, yeah, she 

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was walking around, start 
dancing around the front and 

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stuff. 
I'm just like, yeah, and all, 

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you know, how's all of it? 
How? 

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How old were you at the time? 
I went to Marine Corps when I 

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was 18. 
I got baptized again. 

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I went on, did it in church, you
know, just because I thought, 

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well, maybe this will make it. 
She'll pastor, licensed 

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minister, baptize me, even 
though in my heart I got 

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baptized in Mediterranean. 
Yeah. 

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So that was November 7th, 1986. 
So that would put me at 20 

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years, 20 years old. 
Wow. 

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So we're pushing almost 40 years
here. 

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I want to hear more about your 
your story still, but then also 

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want some background on you. 
I feel like I don't actually 

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know where you're from. 
Are you from Missouri? 

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Yeah, actually, I grew up in 
Saint Louis. 

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Oka. 
For I don't remember, John, we 

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moved down here in 20 or 2005. 
Was it I think somewhere in 

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there. 
So, you know, around, you know, 

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30 years there. 
Saint Louis, places getting kind

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of rough, have no desire to go 
back there whatsoever. 

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And you know, it's funny, the 
older I got, even even like 

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sports and stuff like that, it's
kind of all kind of fading away 

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as far as being involved with 
it. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Like I said, I grew up bad thing

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too. 
Like for me, grew up very poor 

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too. 
My mom did the best that she 

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could with just her. 
I didn't have my dad wasn't in 

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the picture, you know. 
And so there would be times, a 

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lot of times that dinner was 
potato chips or was toast or 

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mayonnaise on bread or, yeah, 
crackers. 

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It was, it was rough. 
It was brutal. 

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Yeah. 
And my mom was working. 

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It was just our as kids. 
And so, you know, McDonald's at 

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the time, a Happy Meal was like 
$2.00 for the thing. 

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She can only afford to take us 
like once every three months. 

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And that was like a, that was a 
treat. 

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Now you guys are out there doing
it everyday thinking nothing 

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about it, you know? 
We're thinking about it when we 

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hit the scale. 
You know, but it was a treat 

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back then. 
But you know, I don't, I don't, 

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I look back and stuff like that 
makes me more appreciative of 

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the things that I thought I have
now. 

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Just just like with anything 
now, sure, everybody would like 

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to have on a newer car, nicer 
house and all that, but I've 

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always said in that too is, is, 
is that going to bring you 

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closer to God? 
And so I can do without that, 

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you know, so I got a 21 year old
car that I'm out there driving, 

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as long as it still runs, I'm 
still driving it, you know, you 

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know, like I said, you know, I'd
like to have that Lamborghini. 

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I'm not going to lie, I'd like 
to drive something like that, 

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but it still wouldn't bring me 
any closer to God or my 

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relationship with them. 
So. 

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Yeah. 
And that mindset, I think, is so

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important because it's so easy 
to get caught up in materialism,

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you know? 
And it's, to me, it's just 

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distractions. 
I love that you've got that 

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mindset even now, you know? 
Yeah, you know, a lot of times 

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I've, what I see too is, you 
know, the Bible says we're an 

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epistle read of all men. 
So all the actions and stuff 

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they do and whether you know it 
or not, people do actually look 

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and, and see you can, you can 
put a seed to either bring 

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someone closer to God or to 
drive them away. 

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Like like this recent incident 
with Charlie Kirk. 

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I've never followed the man on 
his podcast or anything like 

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that, but I started thinking who
who would have thought that 

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going out, debating religion, 
politics, economy with, you 

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know, college students, that it 
would bring thousands of people 

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back to church worldwide, 
millions of people. 

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You know, I was just, you know, 
so when you see that, you just 

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never know how you respond to a 
situation, how someone sees you 

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respond to know like, yeah, I 
don't I don't think I want to be

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around him no more. 
You know, that's not good. 

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So to. 
To go back to the very 

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beginning, you, you when you got
the Holy Ghost or when that, 

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when they started talking to you
about Jesus, did it, did it 

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click for you that this, this 
sounds exactly like that man 

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that my mom described as seeing 
in that coma? 

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Like, did you make that 
connection or was it just a seed

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that had planted a long time ago
and and just turned into 

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something else? 
Well, actually, when I did get 

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the Holy Ghost, I, I felt like 
I, I got something more than 

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what my mom had. 
Like she saw that and felt that,

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but there's no way that she 
could have felt what I felt when

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I got filled with the Holy 
Ghost. 

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And it was such a declaration in
my life. 

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Like this is it, this is the 
real deal. 

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There is really a God out there.
There are really consequences to

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your actions now on what you can
do, the divine being to help you

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through all of this. 
So I, I just look at it that 

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way, you know, I was, I was 
better off. 

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Now a lot of people always say 
like, I want to go to heaven, 

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but I don't want to go tonight. 
If you give me a chance to go, 

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you know, out of here, I don't 
want to come, come back. 

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And that's why it's important to
me for right now, like as a 

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father and to see my family and 
that as long as you're in 

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church, I know that you'll be 
taken care of. 

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As long as you're living right 
for the Lord, everything's going

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to work out. 
So I don't have to worry about 

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coming back here. 
So it's time to go. 

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I'm going to go now. 
I'm not going to, you know, push

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that. 
I'm not going to jump in front 

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of the bus or, you know, jump 
off a clue. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I'm not going to do nothing like
that, you know, But yeah, if I 

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could. 
Yeah. 

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That's, that's my ultimate goal,
I guess, for any Christian is, 

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is I want to make heaven. 
I want to be there with the 

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Lord. 
It's been eternity. 

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That's all that matters. 
You know, I need to talk about 

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the grandeur, the majesty of 
the, you know, gates of Pearl 

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and the walls of Jasper. 
And that's all wonderful. 

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But the real jewel is Jesus. 
And that's where I'm, that's 

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where my heart's desires to go. 
Do you think your experience 

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growing up maybe just you're 
like the way you grew up, but 

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also being not a like, not in a 
like a Christian environment, 

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not being in a Pentecostal 
environment? 

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Do you think that has given you 
like a spirit of gratefulness 

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just like to how Jesus, how good
Jesus really is to us? 

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Do you think that impacts you? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Because I think about it all the
time. 

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I was like, why did he start 
with me? 

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You know what? 
What do I have? 

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I even look at myself. 
Who who am I that you should 

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bother with me? 
I have nothing to offer you, and

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yet you've taken time to say 
you're special to me. 

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So yeah, that that does help for
me. 

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I'm just thankful for my story 
or situation. 

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Just let you know that no matter
who you are, you know God does 

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know you and to seek you out and
then know that you do have a 

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heart that will worship and 
praise him and by going through 

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all that and being without him 
and now with them. 

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Yeah, I I can't see any other 
way like that. 

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And really what happened even 
too when I got the Holy Ghost 

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when I was a worship and that 
none of my family wrote me 

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letters. 
I'm about 3 months one of the 

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most disappointing or just 
loneliness feeling is a mail 

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call comes and everybody else is
getting packages of cookies and 

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candy and letters and I'm 
sitting there month after month,

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nothing, no girlfriend, no 
family, no nothing. 

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I was at such a low in my life 
of loneliness. 

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Of course you don't try to show 
it. 

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You know, still just go there, 
go to the gym. 

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You know, I like that rough 
exterior. 

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Hey, I got this kind of thing, 
but deep down, man, you're like,

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man, I'm dying inside here. 
And then for from the step in 

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and. 
You know, here, let me let me 

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help you out. 
I just I'm I'm forever grateful 

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for that forever indebted. 
If you, if you don't mind me 

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bringing it up. 
You you mentioned that your dad 

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really wasn't in the picture, 
which he wasn't, but the few 

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times that he might have been, 
from what I understand, it 

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wasn't necessarily a really 
great father figure like 

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situation when he was there. 
It's you know what I mean? 

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Like it. 
You relied really on your mother

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to to be every aspect of a 
parent to you. 

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Yeah, it's he won't hear this. 
So I'm, I'm, I'm fine. 

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He I still have to honor my 
father because of who he is in 

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that. 
But the choices that he made as 

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far as keeping a relationship 
together, we're not biblical. 

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So that's why it fell apart. 
And he was more concerned about 

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himself than his family. 
So for him to do that, you know,

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as a father, you know, that's 
that's where the virus is worse 

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than the infidel type thing 
where he just he wasn't there, 

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didn't care about it. 
And you know, even to this day, 

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you know, he's just it's sad 
because I didn't want it to be 

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like that. 
And so I tried to like for 

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anything you see them kind of 
events and that take place and 

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you just want to say, I don't 
want to be like that. 

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I have a choice. 
Everybody has a choice. 

442
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,560
You know, I could have been out 
here and be the shooter with 

443
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,400
having said, well, it's because 
my dad now did this and that's 

444
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,120
why I love it. 
No, no, you know better. 

445
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,880
You can make the right choice. 
And so now as a as a as a 

446
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,400
father, now I try to do the 
right thing. 

447
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,960
Certainly, I mean each of us 
grapples with that, right? 

448
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,160
Like that decision to kind of, 
you know, each of us has a 

449
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,800
decision to put others before 
ourselves or put ourselves 

450
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,240
before others. 
I think that's the biggest 

451
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520
struggle we all face. 
So do you think that, you know, 

452
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000
do you think some of that 
influence from you is just like,

453
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,680
I want to be that father to my 
family, you know what I mean? 

454
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,840
I want to be that man for, for, 
for all those who come after me,

455
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,280
you know? 
Yeah. 

456
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,240
Absolutely start to start it. 
I wouldn't say a legacy or 

457
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,640
nothing like that, but yeah, I 
want, I want to be an example to

458
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:51,000
be remembered as a good faithful
husband, father, you know, and I

459
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,280
try to do that like even like 
for dinners and stuff like that,

460
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,800
I'll eat last. 
You know, I have everyone else 

461
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,600
to eat. 
And if there's nothing there, 

462
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,760
just like the, the one night, 
all the all the hamburger meat 

463
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760
and Taco meat was gone. 
Hey, do you want to know you eat

464
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,480
it? 
I'm not hungry. 

465
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,400
Well, I was hungry so I had to 
go and get the old frozen 

466
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,720
sausage, egg, cheese bits and 
say, Hey, I want a these 

467
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,880
instead. 
But you know, that's something 

468
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,720
I'll, I'll, I'll sacrifice and 
I'll pay the price. 

469
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,000
And that's, that's kind of like 
what the Lord even did too, you 

470
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,440
know? 
You know what? 

471
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,360
You guys can't do it. 
I know you can. 

472
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,400
So I'm going to come down and 
I'll, I'll pay the price for 

473
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,600
you. 
So I just as an example to go by

474
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,160
that. 
Yeah, I'll try to live by that, 

475
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,920
that's for sure. 
So you, you, you were in North 

476
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,000
Carolina and you were there for 
a little bit while you were 

477
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,080
finishing out with the Marines, 
and then you went back to 

478
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,880
Missouri on the Saint Louis 
area. 

479
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,280
When you got back to Saint 
Louis, when you got back with 

480
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,760
your family, what was the 1st 
like? 

481
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,400
What was your thought process of
how you were going to start your

482
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,560
new life now that you were out 
of the military and back where 

483
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,320
you where you grew up? 
Yeah, I just do. 

484
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,640
When I, when I got, when I got 
out, I was like, man, I don't 

485
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,160
care. 
You have to work at McDonald's, 

486
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,000
man. 
I'm not staying in Marine Corps.

487
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,040
But then I got back there and I 
couldn't even get a job at 

488
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,200
McDonald's. 
It was terrible trying to find 

489
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,480
an employment being at that time
in Saint Louis, like when the 

490
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,800
city first started, it was big 
because of the river and you 

491
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280
know, transport. 
And that's why that city grew. 

492
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,080
And then as transportation got 
better through rail cars and 

493
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,000
what have you, well, the river 
was became obsolete. 

494
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,160
You know, like that Route 66 
thing. 

495
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,680
Ain't no one going that way no 
more. 

496
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:42,760
So it's so job employment that 
was rough back then in Saint 

497
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Louis and going there and then, 
you know, I tried to also like 

498
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,240
speak to my family because when 
you see this and you know what 

499
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,120
the consequences are, you want 
your loved ones to, to make 

500
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,920
heaven too. 
I mean, when you go to heaven, 

501
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,120
you know, just like for this, 
you know, I, I think it'd be 

502
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,640
great for all of us to be able 
to be there and worship, praise 

503
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,720
God together to know, hey, man, 
we overcame the world, you know,

504
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,320
so you go back there and, and 
what's sad is, is they didn't 

505
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,240
want to hear it, you know, and 
it's just like, well, maybe 

506
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,160
that's why God started with me 
instead of them, because they 

507
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,840
didn't want to hear it. 
And through that too, you know, 

508
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,640
it's one of the things that I've
learned. 

509
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,120
And in this walk, one of the 
most important thing is don't 

510
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:30,080
question when God speaks to you.
And what I mean by that is, is 

511
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,440
there's times you get thoughts 
in that and you're and you 

512
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,000
start, man, is that me or is 
that God? 

513
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,120
You know, obviously there's 
something good that's going to 

514
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,840
uplift or encourage somebody to 
do something. 

515
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,520
Then I say, yeah, you need to do
it. 

516
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,440
Obviously, if it's going to be 
something heinous, you know, 

517
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,120
then it would be like, you know,
you got to try the spirits. 

518
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,080
Is this really God? 
Because he's not going to go 

519
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,360
against his own principles. 
And then and I'll just like 

520
00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:02,800
recently I was coming home and 
Lord just like go the other way.

521
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,800
I'm like, go the other way, you 
know, why am I going to I, I 

522
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,360
said, OK, you know, so I'm 
driving the other way. 

523
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,560
I found out and he's like going 
to Dollar General. 

524
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,440
I said I'm going to Dollar 
General for I don't go to Dollar

525
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,200
General for nothing, man. 
I know there's a one on every 

526
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,000
corner here in Alabama, but I 
don't go to Dollar General, man.

527
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,120
And I'm like, what am I going to
buy? 

528
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,920
So I, I go up in there and I'm 
like, I'm just kind of walking 

529
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,960
around like they're probably 
came out like this guy's getting

530
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,160
ready to shoplift, you know, you
know, And so I was like, well, 

531
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,720
Dahlia's kind of on a pineapple 
orange juice drink. 

532
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,400
OK, so let me go over there. 
And then there was a young girl,

533
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,280
probably about 12, you know, in 
the juice section too, you know,

534
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,800
So I, I want to hurry up and get
there because I didn't want to 

535
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,640
be around a young girl, you 
know, just here's this guy 

536
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,120
coming in here, walking around 
and now he's over here by this 

537
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,240
young girl, you know, I'll be, 
I'll be questioning that too. 

538
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,760
So we both went the other way 
and she ended up being at the 

539
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,760
the front of the line and I was 
right behind her and she has 

540
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,480
some medicine and a juice and 
that and I scanned the card and 

541
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,400
her beat, you know, it's just 
like, and the guy said go ahead 

542
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,760
and try it again. 
I was like, oh man, this isn't 

543
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,080
good. 
So I said, hey, I said, I I know

544
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320
why I'm here. 
I said, let me, let me take care

545
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,160
for you, young lady. 
I said God wants me to buy that 

546
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,200
for you. 
She looked at me. 

547
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,760
I said, I got this, you have a 
great day and the cashier's 

548
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880
like, Are you sure you're going 
to do this? 

549
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,160
I said, yeah, this is this is 
what, This is why I'm here. 

550
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,480
So I did it. 
So what I don't know is, is that

551
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,840
what happened? 
Was it for that cashier to see? 

552
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Were they thinking about 
something about God? 

553
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,440
I need to answer. 
If you do this, then I'll 

554
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800
believe. 
Was it for the little girl? 

555
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Maybe later on. 
This is a seeded planet to hey, 

556
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,600
you know what? 
Mommy didn't have the money and 

557
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,480
some guy bought this or even her
mom, you know, maybe she's out 

558
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,480
in the car. 
You know, I don't know if I got 

559
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,520
enough on that card. 
You know, my daughter's in there

560
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:17,320
and I really need that medicine.
I have no idea, but I felt good 

561
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,800
about being able to pay for 
that, being obedient to listen 

562
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,920
to God because like I said, I 
don't go that way home to work 

563
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,400
and I don't go to Dollar General
and forgot to happen. 

564
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,920
And I could have argued and went
the other way and I could have 

565
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,240
missed out on the blessing. 
And that happened and has 

566
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,040
happened in my life too. 
And was a youth leader in in 

567
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Missouri and the Festus Church. 
And after the praise singing was

568
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,840
happening, the drummers, a young
young gentleman came off and and

569
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800
God press like pray for him 
struggling at school. 

570
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,520
I say what? 
Pray for him struggling at 

571
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560
school. 
You know, he walked by. 

572
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,440
I'm like nothing a week later 
that back then they have 

573
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,720
testimony service, you know, 
talking about so he stands up. 

574
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,000
So I was talking about how he's 
been being bullied in school, 

575
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,920
his grades were dropping, you 
know, and I'm like, God wanted 

576
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,840
me to intercede and step in and,
and make up the hedge, stand in 

577
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
the gap. 
And I disobeyed. 

578
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,520
And that boy right there 
suffered because of it. 

579
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,240
So that's why I just say 
whenever you feel impressed to 

580
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,360
do something, pray for somebody 
or what have you, you need to 

581
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,640
obey and not question it. 
That's pretty big because of the

582
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,880
last episode we did with Brother
Lacombe. 

583
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,880
He talked about the Gideon's 
fleece experience that he did 

584
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
for himself. 
If you remember, he didn't know 

585
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,760
if he was called a preacher or 
not. 

586
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,200
And so when he went to service 
and he prayed, he was like God. 

587
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,520
You know, if, if this is what 
you want from me, then have this

588
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,760
man come over to me and tell me 
and the course the the preacher 

589
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,240
did. 
But if that preacher had not 

590
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,120
listened, he would have never 
went to him. 

591
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Macomb would have never, may not
have ever started preaching. 

592
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,080
And that's such a domino effect.
Yeah, and it could be such a 

593
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,280
small thing too, even happened 
with you. 

594
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Cam was in the fellowship hall, 
you up there and you came down. 

595
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,120
I didn't know that you were 
studying to be a minister, what 

596
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,760
have you? 
But the Lord told me go up to 

597
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,320
there and tell him it's it is 
his time to pick up the mantle. 

598
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,880
I don't know if you remember. 
That I do. 

599
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,240
I do, you know and thank you. 
And I was just like, you know, 

600
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,680
but when you hear that, you're 
like, this can be like, man, 

601
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,960
this guy. 
All right. 

602
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,360
And I, I think that's the, the 
biggest part. 

603
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,560
And I and I go back to you being
on the battle of that boat, like

604
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,720
you said. 
And you are OK looking like a 

605
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320
fool, you know, and asking God 
to come into your life. 

606
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,080
But I think that ability to put 
your pride aside, that's what 

607
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,200
let God work in your life the 
way he has. 

608
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Yeah, the whole thing about this
too is that God wants to use 

609
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,640
you. 
And that's what everyone says, 

610
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720
use me Lord, Use me, Lord. 
But with them, when he tells you

611
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880
to go do something and you 
question it, it's like you're 

612
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,040
disobeying your parent. 
Like in the military, anyone at 

613
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,000
a higher rank tells you to do 
something. 

614
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,240
There was no questions asked. 
You did it right then and there.

615
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,480
You know, that's what I I 
believe. 

616
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480
God does how he wants. 
And the more that you can listen

617
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,600
to God, the more you're going to
be used. 

618
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,240
Yeah. 
You know, if I keep coming to 

619
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,640
you, Cam, you know, if I'm God, 
I'm coming. 

620
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,480
Hey, man, I want you to do this.
And you keep saying what, I got 

621
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,120
to drive over there or why do I 
got to pick up that, You know, 

622
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,960
he's going to be like, OK, he's 
got to grow up. 

623
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,800
I'm sure a little bit more 
because he's not listening. 

624
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Yeah, recommendation which you 
have to somebody who might 

625
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,600
struggle to distinguish when 
God's talking to them, like 

626
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,560
maybe they're sitting there 
struggling saying, is this just 

627
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,840
my thoughts or should, is this a
little, what kind of advice 

628
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,480
would you give to somebody to 
kind of recognize? 

629
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Yeah. 
Well, this is always say if it, 

630
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
if it's something that's good, 
if something's going to uplift 

631
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,000
and encourage somebody, if you 
do it, then I say you do it. 

632
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,760
You know, if it's something that
you know, it's like this can 

633
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,640
humiliate them, not me humiliate
them in any kind of way or 

634
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,640
fashion. 
I want to stray away from that. 

635
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,840
And like I said, when you, when 
you feel it, like I say, 

636
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320
especially like that when you're
looking and you just can't, you 

637
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560
know, you're not trying to, but 
you're scanning, you see 

638
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,400
finally, not saying, you know, 
like boom, man, I pick up, pick 

639
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,640
him up for whatever reason. 
Then God says you need to pray 

640
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,080
for him for strength. 
Get up, go over there and you 

641
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,360
just say, hey, I'm, you know, 
I'm just trying to hear the will

642
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,600
of the Lord in my life. 
And he just feels like he's 

643
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,000
telling me to pray for your 
side. 

644
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,640
If you don't mind. 
And you do that, then you find 

645
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,160
out because like I said, even in
the military, you wouldn't have 

646
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,400
thought I was lonely and I'm 
depressed and all that. 

647
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,760
But it was. 
And a lot of people put this 

648
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,160
facade that everything is good, 
everything is great, everything.

649
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,280
But really they're not. 
They're hurting and struggling, 

650
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,200
having the same kind of problems
you are, and they need you. 

651
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,640
And you don't know that, but God
knows that. 

652
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,480
That's why he's trying to tell 
you go over there. 

653
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,880
And so that's why I say you want
to heed that. 

654
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640
You know this one thing too, 
that you know why you have 

655
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,360
prophecy. 
The reason why He had prophecy 

656
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,320
in that is God is showing you 
hundreds of years from now, I'm 

657
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,680
telling you what's going to 
happen. 

658
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040
So if I can do that, I can tell 
you what's going on with your 

659
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,040
life. 
I want you to trust me, and 

660
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,639
that's why we do that. 
Yeah, it's, it's pretty 

661
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,120
powerful. 
I've always loved hearing your 

662
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,880
testimony because the biggest 
thing for me is from the very 

663
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,159
beginning of it, when you're 
trying to avoid getting on the 

664
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,120
boat, essentially trying to 
avoid what was ads like I need 

665
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,280
you on this boat, son. 
And you're like, no, there goes 

666
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,080
to the next level. 
I need you on this boat, son. 

667
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,840
No, next I would to to, I mean, 
Gee, I think about it. 

668
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,040
How, how common do you think it 
was to have headquarters 

669
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,719
specifically say no, This, this,
this guy is going to be on that 

670
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,400
boat. 
Yeah, it wouldn't have happened 

671
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,520
because basically with the 
Sergeant major of the the 

672
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,840
squadron, once he said he's 
coming, that should have been it

673
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880
right there. 
It should have gone and then go 

674
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,640
to the base commands, you know? 
Yeah, That that, that I've never

675
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,480
heard of that happening. 
And I, I thought about that too,

676
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,960
you know, if that would have 
went through, I, that could have

677
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,960
been my one chance to hear, hear
the gospel to get in, you know, 

678
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,040
I mean, like I said, you only 
get so many chances in life and 

679
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,640
you got to take advantage of it.
You know, I've heard and I, I 

680
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,280
would have been of no excuse 
either because you would have 

681
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,760
heard about, you know, Jesus and
everything from my mom, other 

682
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,520
people, all with that point. 
You heard about it, but you 

683
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,840
didn't react on it. 
I would be, I would be guilty, 

684
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,280
you know, And so I'm thankful 
that God took those extra 

685
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,320
measures to say you're going, 
you're going, you know, so it'll

686
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,960
be like, yeah, I'm, I'm 
thankful. 

687
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080
I'm thankful for that. 
It shows how far God is going, 

688
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,440
because I can't imagine that's a
unique experience just for you. 

689
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,560
But how many times does He reach
out for each of us, right? 

690
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,120
So come back to Saint Louis, try
to talk to your family. 

691
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,520
They they're not having any of 
it. 

692
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,600
But that doesn't, you know, 
discourage you or anything like 

693
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,920
that. 
You still kept going to church, 

694
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,360
finding a church 1st and you 
just kind of followed after 

695
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,600
that. 
You know, you just, you never 

696
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,680
deviated away from it. 
And you, you had sold out, so to

697
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,360
speak, completely to this faith 
and this process. 

698
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,760
And while you were in Saint 
Louis, I wanted to, to push 

699
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,000
ahead a little bit. 
You were, you were never really 

700
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,720
just at that time just at 
church. 

701
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,240
You actually were involved quite
handily in some of the, in some 

702
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,480
of the youth programs that 
happened up in there throughout 

703
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,480
a couple different churches. 
You mentioned it earlier, if you

704
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,920
go into that a little bit more 
for me. 

705
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,800
Yeah, actually, I, I, I never 
seek for a position whatsoever. 

706
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,840
I don't, I don't desire that to 
be, hey, look at me trying to 

707
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,920
make a name for myself. 
It was never about that. 

708
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,960
Whenever I moved and went to the
the that church, it was always 

709
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,560
that that pastor that came to me
and said, hey, you know, we need

710
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,520
someone over the youth. 
Would would you do it? 

711
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,360
And for whatever reason, I could
relate, I guess because I'm a 

712
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,360
kid, I don't grow up and I like 
to do the things that they do. 

713
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040
You know, I like going to 
amusement parks and, you know, 

714
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,120
having fun and paintballing and 
all that. 

715
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,800
I mean, football that I'm still,
I'm still doing that. 

716
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200
And I could talk to him and 
relate to him. 

717
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,840
And I just found in that that 
with a lot of kids in that just 

718
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,280
being there for them and talking
to them and showing that you 

719
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,280
care, it was just unpackable, 
brought the youth together. 

720
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,560
Every youth group we used to 
always after church, we'd 

721
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,560
usually always go out like the 
Pizza Hut or Mexican place. 

722
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,200
And, you know, we sit there and 
talk, you know, and be sitting 

723
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,120
around the table. 
I was talking that and it just 

724
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:41,280
grew a bond in that for that. 
And so, you know, for a lot of 

725
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,000
youth in that that I, I see when
you don't, you know, involve 

726
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,880
them at all, then there's a 
disconnect there. 

727
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160
That happens to me when you're 
put in a osition like that. 

728
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,720
No, no matter what ass or youth 
ass or whatever, it is your job 

729
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,720
to find the lost coin in the 
house. 

730
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,040
That's why I think there's a 
book called the Upside down 

731
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,000
church. 
You know where it talks about 

732
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,480
where it's the pastor needs to 
go find. 

733
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,960
I need to know what your talent 
is. 

734
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120
I need to know what your talent 
is and that and how we're going 

735
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
to use it and how we're going to
put it involved in church. 

736
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,840
We'd always have Friday night 
youth service. 

737
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,840
That was always that Friday 
night. 

738
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,760
We went wasn't very long. 
It was only an hour and that, 

739
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,920
but I had I had everybody with a
song, what we call sermon. 

740
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,200
That's or what have you have two
or three guys kind of like you 

741
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,360
guys just did there at a little 
bit, you know, and you give you 

742
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,760
five 5-10 minutes. 
And and then that also gets them

743
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,920
to start developing their walk 
and trust in it and believe in 

744
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,840
God and the youth groups and 
that were just some they were 

745
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,800
strong and I never thought that 
I really made an impact or 

746
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,880
whatever. 
But I'm not a social media 

747
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,080
thing, but my wife is. 
And she's like, yeah, you know, 

748
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,120
you remember so and so they miss
you and said, you know, the I 

749
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,760
was like, wow, I didn't know 
they even cared. 

750
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,920
Yeah. 
Thank you, You know, because, 

751
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,760
because sometimes you know, the 
parents and that you're like, 

752
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,960
hey, my kid, you need to do this
and that. 

753
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,320
I'm like, you know, you should 
be. 

754
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,920
I don't say it, but I was like, 
you should have been handling it

755
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,080
at your house, man. 
I'm not here to do that, you 

756
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,360
know, but I'm like, Oh, yes, 
ma'am, I'll try to get on, you 

757
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,680
know. 
But yeah, it's and it and it's, 

758
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,360
it's a good thing to get in 
there and get that experience 

759
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,640
like that. 
Like I said, when you're doing 

760
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,600
it to build the Kingdom and not 
yours, great things will happen.

761
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,720
That, that's the, the part that 
struck me the, the beginning of 

762
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,960
what you said right there about 
how you didn't ever seek a 

763
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
position, you know, and I, I'll 
be honest, when I was growing 

764
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,080
up, I did, you know, like I was 
in church and that was just my 

765
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,440
mindset. 
Like, oh, I'm going to be a big 

766
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,960
preacher or something, you know,
because that's kind of the area.

767
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,800
And I think that when I left 
church, God really had to break 

768
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,760
me down to where I could have 
that mindset of it's about him, 

769
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,960
you know, and everything that 
pulls it to him. 

770
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,720
Did did you have that mindset 
immediately? 

771
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Because I'm interested in you 
didn't have a religious 

772
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,360
background growing up at all 
until you found Christ. 

773
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,160
Right, right. 
Yeah, I guess the positions of 

774
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,040
that because that involved 
public speaking, which is 

775
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,680
something I didn't even want to 
do in school. 

776
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,600
You know, he had a have that 
report you got to give in front 

777
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,680
of the class, you know, and you,
you're shaking the papers going,

778
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,840
you know, he tried to let me 
just get through this, you know.

779
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,800
So I never saw the position like
that. 

780
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,320
Always wanted to do something, 
you know, great for God. 

781
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,440
The thing that always what 
really impressed me was one time

782
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,280
I was I was there, we had a a 
guest speaker. 

783
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,440
His name was Brother Scroggins. 
Didn't know. 

784
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,480
I'm just a good old country boy 
type of guy that came in there 

785
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,240
and he's preaching and he just 
stops and he turns and he looks 

786
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000
and he points at me and he says,
you know, I'm not here to 

787
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,840
embarrass you, son. 
But God just told me that you're

788
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,000
struggling with your job. 
You're not getting any sleep and

789
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,040
the devil is coming at you. 
That's why the attack is here 

790
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,520
and I'm going to pray for you. 
I never told my wife or nothing,

791
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,880
man. 
I was like at work. 

792
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,040
I was working for the cable 
company. 

793
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000
I was like, man, I'm getting 
yelled at for nothing, man, it's

794
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,200
not I didn't do that. 
I wasn't around there was 

795
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,200
involved, but they blamed me for
it and you know, I'm worrying 

796
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,920
about it. 
So I'm not sleeping at night. 

797
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Everything what he just said. 
No one knew that but God and 

798
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,840
God, you know, went through him 
as a vessel and used him. 

799
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,840
And and so I said to myself at 
that point, you know what, more 

800
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,600
than any other message that you 
can give to somebody, if 

801
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,240
somehow, if you can be in tune 
with God, just to give a word of

802
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,320
encouragement. 
This is why I say don't question

803
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,360
when God tells you to do 
something because he's the one 

804
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,600
that knows what's going on. 
And by doing that, it makes it 

805
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,320
personal for that other person. 
Real is like, you know what, 

806
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,320
there's no way you knew that, 
buddy. 

807
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,240
There's, I'm telling you, 
there's no way you couldn't pull

808
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,680
it up on, you couldn't have 
Googled that information that 

809
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,360
you just told me, you know, and 
that lets you know, you know, 

810
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,400
like, yeah, God cares about me 
because he sent you and told me 

811
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,640
that. 
And I've, that's the kind of 

812
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,400
ministry that I, I desire to be 
a part of, to do that. 

813
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,600
I think to me that's more 
impactful for myself. 

814
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,760
So life can be pretty, pretty 
stressful. 

815
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,760
Like all of us can agree on that
statement. 

816
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,200
Or like job. 
Struggle is real. 

817
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Struggle is real constantly, you
know what I mean? 

818
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,600
A lot of people tend to develop 
doubts and fears and allow that 

819
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,360
to basically a road away their 
spiritual life. 

820
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,320
What advice would you give to 
that person? 

821
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640
You know, the, to me, the whole 
thing is, is, is, you know, when

822
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
you go through those valleys and
that it, it is hard. 

823
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,040
The thing is, you guys just got 
to keep praying. 

824
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,440
Like I, I'm a, I'm a firm 
believer in praise. 

825
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,640
No matter what, I'm, I'm going 
to praise you. 

826
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,200
My mindset has always been for 
what I've learned, for the, the 

827
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,960
price that Christ paid on that 
cross, I owe I to keep going. 

828
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,200
I owe him for that sacrifice. 
And I don't know if any of you 

829
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,040
saw that movie, the passion that
was so brutal. 

830
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,920
And to know that that's what he 
went through to save me. 

831
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,840
I, I, I told my wife, if I ever 
have a poster, I want that. 

832
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,880
And I wanted to say how and tell
me about your day again, just as

833
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,440
a, a reminder that you have 
nothing to complain about. 

834
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,760
But like I say, that's for me. 
And but I know other people 

835
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,120
struggle, but you got to be able
to persevere. 

836
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,200
And, you know, it's just like 
even like going to the gym and 

837
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,400
that, you know, at first it 
gets, it's hard. 

838
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,120
It's never easy. 
That's to say in the gym, it's 

839
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,440
never easier. 
You only get stronger, you know?

840
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,760
So you just keep pushing and 
keep working at it. 

841
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,600
And I've learned through the 
mindset, even through all kinds 

842
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,480
of trials, just like a storm, 
you know? 

843
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,840
Yeah, it's going to come, but 
it's going to go. 

844
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,680
So that's like, even though, you
know, my wife and that's always 

845
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,760
like, oh, no, it's going to 
come. 

846
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,520
We're going to have a turn. 
And I say, hey, look, man, I've 

847
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,240
seen that before. 
You know, I'm not worried about 

848
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,080
it. 
Now, if there's a Direct Line 

849
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,040
and it's coming toward me now, 
of course I'm going to have 

850
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,840
enough common sense to say we 
need to get out of here, you 

851
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,760
know, or we're moving, going to 
another state. 

852
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,920
You know, it's kind of like 
being like in Louisiana, you 

853
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,480
know, they're like 5 days out. 
You got Katrina coming your way,

854
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,560
how we're going to stay four 
days out. 

855
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,320
It's still your way, day way one
you just coming your way. 

856
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Hey, man, you need to get out of
there, man. 

857
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,400
Don't. 
Don't sit there and think you're

858
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,600
going to survive this. 
It's like that, that, that story

859
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,680
where they, they always make fun
of the, the person in the boat 

860
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,200
who they keep passing by and 
he's like, hey, come get in my 

861
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,560
boat. 
He says, no, God's going to save

862
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,640
me. 
He said I sent you 4 boats. 4 

863
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,480
boats, a helicopter. 
Yeah, yeah. 

864
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,280
You never took any of them. 
Sent you 4 boats. 

865
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,040
It's not what you were looking 
for, but it was a way out. 

866
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,760
Yeah, yeah. 
And that's it. 

867
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,800
So that's what you know, this 
would just try to do. 

868
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:47,960
Persevere. 
Struggle. 

869
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,920
So we, we moved as a family up 
here, 2004 area whatnot. 

870
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,760
We kind of, we kind of touched 
on it a little bit with a 

871
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,080
previous episode. 
But just from your point of 

872
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,680
view, what was the process and, 
and how it came about finding 

873
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,920
Lifegate and just just getting 
involved with this church? 

874
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,240
Because we looked at you, you 
went to a few different churches

875
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,520
and just didn't really feel it 
until you got to Lifegate. 

876
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,800
Yeah, that's, that's absolutely 
right. 

877
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,240
Well, we got down here. 
Of course, you didn't know 

878
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,280
anything or anybody the area. 
But everything that's most 

879
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,840
important is is you got to have 
a church to to be able to go to 

880
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,480
the function to worship without 
that on this way. 

881
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,280
The lesson that comes with the 
the little woman, you know, and 

882
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,280
the very end of that is, is you 
know, you can go a long time 

883
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,400
without hearing from the man of 
God, but you and your family are

884
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,760
going to suffer for it. 
So God showed me that through 

885
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,440
through that Scripture. 
And so that's why it's like I 

886
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,840
got to find a church. 
So we went to to the Huntsville 

887
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,560
wand. 
You go in there, you worship or 

888
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,120
what have you and you're like, 
yeah, I don't really feel like 

889
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,560
this is the place. 
Went there to Tony to Decatur 

890
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Hartzell and I just told my wife
said, man, I went to every 

891
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,440
church in this area and I can't 
find nothing. 

892
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,520
You know, Oh the heck, that 
can't be right. 

893
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,400
I'm like, I'm just, I know 
you're not supposed to go by 

894
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,360
feelings and that, but it just 
it, it doesn't feel right. 

895
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,640
And she goes, well, me and mom 
and now we've we found a 

896
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,440
preacher going to give a Bible 
find that, you know, you know, 

897
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,240
she's, I forget what she said or
what have you, but I finally 

898
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,960
went there to the Tony church 
and brother Roger said, Hey, 

899
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,720
look, I don't think this church 
is for you, but there's a young 

900
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,440
minister down there off of 
Madison Blvd. close to where you

901
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,800
live. 
He's starting a new church. 

902
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,000
I'm like, and I don't go to a 
new church man, you know, you 

903
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,920
know, 'cause that's, that's just
going to be him and his family. 

904
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go. 
It come from a, you know, 5-6 

905
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,560
hundred people, you know, a 
church, you know, you got, I 

906
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,040
don't know, only 10 or 15 in 
there. 

907
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,840
That's but I said, you know 
what? 

908
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,040
And this is what I just say too.
As long as the people that are 

909
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,520
there are spiritually in tune 
you, you can have a powerful 

910
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,600
service even with that. 
And so, so we went there and I 

911
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,200
went there and I said, you know,
you know, it's, it's like it. 

912
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,560
I like him and everything like 
that. 

913
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,880
And after a few weeks, I, I just
told us, like man, I said, I 

914
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,640
don't know if I'm not getting it
or he don't have another message

915
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,880
other than faith, but I'm tired 
of hearing about faith, man. 

916
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,200
I, I can't, I said I, I can't, 
I'm not going to be able to grow

917
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,680
under this. 
You know, I got to have 

918
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,600
something more than having 
faith, you know? 

919
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,280
So I don't know if it's for him 
or for me. 

920
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,160
I'm not listening or he's not 
listening, but one of us got to 

921
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,960
get it together, you know. 
And so, yeah. 

922
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,080
So watching your dad first 
start, you know, it compared to 

923
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,520
where he's like season now. 
I mean, it's like night and day.

924
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,400
And so, yeah, it's been A and 
it's been an adventure. 

925
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,920
There's been a bump in the road 
there, but, you know, overcame 

926
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,520
that. 
But yeah. 

927
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,080
And thank, thank God for other 
churches and those things 

928
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,400
because not everybody's meant to
go to the same church, right? 

929
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,800
Like we all have different 
personalities. 

930
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,840
Thank God other pastors and 
those things would reach out and

931
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,720
tell you like, hey. 
Yeah, They want to find their, 

932
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,480
like, anything, you know, if 
you're an orange, you know, you,

933
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,960
you're not going to do very well
up in Montana growing up there, 

934
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,160
you know? 
Yeah, you're your planet in 

935
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,160
different areas, you know, and 
just like anything like flowers 

936
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,760
or what have you, you know, and 
we're both planted here, but I'm

937
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,880
not here to compete with you. 
We're both here to blossom and 

938
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,480
grow. 
And so that's what we did. 

939
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,280
So like right now, I'm really 
looking forward to when like 

940
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,480
life gate becomes a church where
miracles happen. 

941
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,120
I, I'm just a firm believer that
when you go to church and you 

942
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,040
got everyone in there worshiping
and one of mine, you know, you 

943
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,520
should be having the miraculous 
take place. 

944
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,920
You know, if you had that 
mindset, you know, just like the

945
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,800
expectation from some of the 
congregation isn't there, you 

946
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,600
know, like when you go to NAYC 
or anything, like everyone is 

947
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,840
there and everyone worship. 
So that's why everyone's like, 

948
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,760
it's so great. 
A great, you can have that 

949
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,560
experience in your church. 
If you have that expectation 

950
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,320
that God is going to do 
something, I'm going to receive 

951
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,800
something and it'll happen. 
Certainly, certainly. 

952
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,840
It's a it's cool that you were 
able to come to Life Gate when 

953
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,640
it was 5 and then you were 
three, you know, because that 

954
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,640
was before Dalia ever showed up.
Sister. 

955
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,080
Horrible sister. 
Horrible. 

956
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,760
That's right. 
The the the landmark, the anchor

957
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,720
holding us down. 
But I I'll tell you like I'm I'm

958
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,400
one you talk about expectation. 
You go to NAYC. 

959
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,200
It's so big and everything. 
Expectation, of course, is a 

960
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,320
little bit higher because you've
got this great grand door 

961
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,480
appearance and then you come 
back home and you may not have 

962
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,840
that level of it. 
And a lot of us, myself 

963
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,760
included, are moved by the 
exterior. 

964
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,600
I don't think I could go to a 
church with eight people, at 

965
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,520
least right now. 
I'm not spiritually mature 

966
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,880
enough for that. 
Honestly, I'd be too distracted 

967
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,520
by the mirrors on the other 
side. 

968
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,720
Yeah, I mean, it was something. 
But just like anything in life 

969
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:02,200
too, man, you have to go through
in order to be more well-rounded

970
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,720
and that you got to experience 
certain things. 

971
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,880
It's growing stages and that 
that that heled me because, like

972
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,640
I said, I've I've never been in 
like a home missions church 

973
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,880
Oregon, what have you. 
And I just when I when I think 

974
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,360
about the side of the church 
now, it's just like, where do 

975
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,840
all these people come from? 
Yeah. 

976
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,120
How did he get you? 
Know God's sin and. 

977
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Exactly. 
Before it's gone in that amount 

978
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,560
of time, because when you see it
from where you started with Life

979
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,600
Gate to now, it really puts it 
in perspective. 

980
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040
This wasn't just people 
transferring or something and 

981
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,320
all. 
I think they're at the 

982
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,800
forefront. 
I think the thing that always 

983
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,880
gets me is you think back to the
sheer amount of people who have,

984
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,280
you know, for various reasons 
come through the church. 

985
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,760
You know what I mean? 
And the fact that like, you 

986
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,840
know, you go through and, and 
you can think back and you can 

987
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,720
see faces of so many different 
people. 

988
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,000
You're talking about hundreds of
people who have been in and out,

989
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,720
you know what I mean? 
For various reasons, but God 

990
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,720
always is there. 
Like how how the number 

991
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,680
continues to grow despite things
that may hinder or things, you 

992
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,480
know, it's like it's amazing to 
see God come back and put more 

993
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,080
people in, you know what I mean?
Whenever things change. 

994
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,520
It is. 
And the other thing for me too, 

995
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,280
like with live gate hearing the 
testimonies of basically the 

996
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,800
three of you, you know, and what
you guys went through through 

997
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,520
birth and that to see the 
miracles that took place in your

998
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,320
life for the healings and that 
it's just like God is God is 

999
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,040
with, you know, Brother Penn. 
I truly feel that he is the man 

1000
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,880
of God for Madison that he was 
called he is, you know, and he's

1001
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,240
been blessed for it. 
And that's where I even sent him

1002
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,360
that e-mail about the the widow 
woman, what God had told me. 

1003
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,080
I don't know if he ever showed 
you or anything that. 

1004
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,600
I don't know if he did. 
But but God, you know, God had 

1005
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,080
showed me, you know, I guess I 
can tell you that. 

1006
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,560
But anyway, the whole thing is 
is, you know, it always says 

1007
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,840
that you're saved by the 
foolishness of preaching. 

1008
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,200
You know, so I'm reading the 
story and that again and I'm 

1009
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,160
seeing the widow woman and it's 
like, you know, we're going to 

1010
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,440
I'm going to make this cake and 
then we're going to die. 

1011
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,000
I'm thinking, if I miss a meal, 
would I die the next day? 

1012
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,600
No, I said this, this woman had 
it been and and what I would 

1013
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,080
call like APOW Holocaust type 
setting. 

1014
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,280
That's how bad off she was to to
say that we're going to eat and 

1015
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,080
then then we're going to die. 
You know, I was like, man, And 

1016
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,440
so for this guy to come, Elijah 
come walking up saying, Hey, you

1017
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,280
know, give me that food. 
You know, he's sitting looking 

1018
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,680
like a fat cat. 
You know, you're like, that is 

1019
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,720
foolishness. 
You know, I thought to myself, 

1020
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,880
you know, if you came, I I 
better be prayed up because if I

1021
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,680
didn't have any food and he came
over here saying, Hey, God said,

1022
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,000
give me you give me that. 
I'll be like my family comes 

1023
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,240
before you. 
So this is a decision that as as

1024
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,800
a people you have to make on 
whether do you believe that this

1025
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,760
is the man of God or not and 
your decision is life or death. 

1026
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,600
And so then, you know, I thought
about Elijah, you know, I said 

1027
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,040
here he is. 
How was he being fed? 

1028
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,040
You know, said that the Ravens 
brought him the food. 

1029
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,720
Well, you know what kind of food
that was? 

1030
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,320
Yeah, that's off of carcasses. 
I, I, I, I was going by the road

1031
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,800
and I saw this deer and then I 
know it's bad, but it was 

1032
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:31,720
deteriorating, you know, and I'm
thinking this is, this is what 

1033
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,720
yeah, Elijah was getting. 
You know, I couldn't do that 

1034
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,880
even right now, even starving. 
If you said here you go, John, 

1035
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,160
that's, that's, that's fresh 
Opossum, baby, right off. 

1036
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,840
You know, I would be like, I'm 
not going to eat that. 

1037
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,080
So God had told me he put your 
father in his position because 

1038
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,400
there's there's things that I'm 
not willing to do that he will 

1039
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,640
do. 
And that's why your father is in

1040
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,880
that position to be the shepherd
over this, you know, and you 

1041
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,200
know, you can always question, 
you know, hey, man, is this the 

1042
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,520
the right one? 
You know, is he living right? 

1043
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,320
And then that's where God showed
me with Samuel when him and Eli 

1044
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,880
was laying down, you know, and 
then Samuel rises up and says, 

1045
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,680
Hey, you know, you called me and
Eli said, no, go lay down, you 

1046
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,680
know, then it happens again. 
He said, no, you called me, you 

1047
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,360
know, when I said no, I didn't, 
you know. 

1048
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,200
So the third time, you know, 
then Eli finally got it, you 

1049
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,960
know, I said it. 
But the whole point of that is, 

1050
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,480
is in order to hear the voice of
God, you still need to go and 

1051
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,520
listen to the man of God, you 
know, and that's, that's even 

1052
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,320
regardless of whether you think 
he's living right for God or 

1053
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,800
not, He's anointed. 
He's put in that position. 

1054
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:53,160
You need to obey, you know, 
because like I said, he heard, 

1055
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,600
you know, it was the voice of 
God that he heard, but it was 

1056
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,720
actually in the voice of Eli. 
So I did like that. 

1057
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,200
And then I had, I had other 
things at the time, but that was

1058
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:09,000
basically it to let me know, you
know, that your dad is the 

1059
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,280
anointed man of Madison here, 
you know, was sent by God and, 

1060
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,880
you know, and if I don't go and 
that's the whole thing, you 

1061
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,600
know, like, you know, I'm going 
to take Cam up on that deal. 

1062
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,520
You know, he's paying people and
they're leaving. 

1063
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,480
I'm wondering how much, how much
of A check is he writing to get 

1064
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,040
rid of people, man? 
You know how many zeros are on 

1065
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,560
that check, man, you know, But 
yeah, you know, you, you know, 

1066
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,640
because you come up with 
struggles and things that are 

1067
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,440
happening. 
You see things you get kind of 

1068
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,000
mad and that. 
But God just, you know, told me 

1069
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,720
like at the end there, you know,
you know, without a man of God 

1070
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:45,040
in your life, you and your 
family are going to suffer, you 

1071
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,840
know, and I know I don't know 
for now, but that little woman, 

1072
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,360
I don't know. 
She, you know, was the 

1073
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,400
inspiration for Little Debbie 
Little Snack eggs. 

1074
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Are you? 
You're kidding, right? 

1075
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,840
I'm just, I'm just messing. 
That one was you had a bowl 

1076
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,080
because you said, hey, just bake
me a little cake. 

1077
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,000
Yeah, there it is. 
He's a little dubby. 

1078
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,360
Stair I have no cream but a 
little more. 

1079
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Oh goodness. 
So have you, have you seen any, 

1080
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,240
has there been, other than 
anything we've talked about, any

1081
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,920
other big moments in your life 
that really just confirmed God 

1082
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,040
to you? 
You know what I mean? 

1083
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,240
Anything stand out where you 
were? 

1084
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,880
Just like, man, God just came 
through for me here. 

1085
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,120
You know what I mean? 
Well, the only thing I can say 

1086
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,480
is just for for time, you know, 
like I said, trying to find a 

1087
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,440
job, you know, it's not, I never
didn't not want to work. 

1088
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,800
It just couldn't find, couldn't 
get the break to go through the 

1089
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,960
door. 
Man, we first came down here. 

1090
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,200
It was 10 years. 
It's like like famine, I'm not 

1091
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,680
going to lie, man, trying to get
on. 

1092
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,680
Then finally got on out of 
Toyota and then that changed 

1093
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,400
everything. 
And so by going through that 

1094
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,800
those lean years makes me 
thankful and appreciative of 

1095
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,240
what's happening now. 
Not to be wasteful or what have 

1096
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,080
you, but to, to know there was a
time when this happened through 

1097
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,800
me just still, I like I said, I 
still worship and praise even 

1098
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,600
through those bad times. 
God brought me out to where now 

1099
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,880
I can have nicer things but 
still live for him. 

1100
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,040
And that's the main thing, you 
know, for some people, maybe if 

1101
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,080
you got $2,000,000 and you were 
able to retire, what have you, 

1102
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,160
would you still go to church? 
Would you still praise God? 

1103
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Because if you're not, you know 
what, that's not a good thing 

1104
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,000
for you to have. 
And so that's not at all. 

1105
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,720
That's how you got to got to 
look at it. 

1106
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,520
You know, like I said, you know,
if you offered me a mansion with

1107
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,320
Ferraris and Lamborghinis and a 
pool and a little, you know, 

1108
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,400
lazy river in the back, Hey, 
that sounds great. 

1109
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,320
But if by having that I no 
longer go to church, no longer 

1110
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,040
pray or what have you, then 
that's going to separate me from

1111
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,360
God and the end of it is going 
to be horrible for me. 

1112
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,680
I mean, you see that in the Old 
Testament, right? 

1113
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,760
The children of Israel, they 
didn't really lose God when they

1114
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,920
were struggling. 
They lost God whenever the when 

1115
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,280
they were peace, when it was 
blessings, you know. 

1116
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,400
Yeah, so you just got to try. 
Like I said, say in life, I try 

1117
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,560
to learn from other people's 
mistakes so you don't have to 

1118
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,240
suffer yourself through them. 
You know, You know, just like 

1119
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,320
you said, you know, when you're 
growing up, I think your daddy 

1120
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,600
instead of two, you know, once 
your dad beats you once, you 

1121
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,160
know, you don't want to do that 
again. 

1122
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,600
And if you keep doing it, you 
keep getting beat, you know, 

1123
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,040
that's a slow learner. 
You know, You know, I try to. 

1124
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,240
I want to learn quickly, not 
that to avoid all that, I'm 

1125
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,280
going. 
To I'm going to take his back 

1126
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,680
again to when you when you first
got baptized in that whole 

1127
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,360
situation. 
I'd like to put a little bit 

1128
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,800
more of an emphasis on your 
mindset for when you realized 

1129
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,160
what was required for salvation 
and you you made that a 

1130
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,560
priority. 
And that's something that I 

1131
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,680
don't think it's preached about 
a lot, but I don't think people 

1132
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,760
really take it to heart. 
I don't think people have that 

1133
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:47,520
same mindset anymore. 
Just just that that mindset of 

1134
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,200
this is required for salvation. 
If I don't get it, every day is 

1135
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,040
a a fear. 
It was a fear and I'm not, I'm 

1136
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,640
not going to lie. 
I mean, like I said, you know, 

1137
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,800
when they tell you if we can go 
any kind of war, they're going 

1138
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,160
to attack this ship first. 
You know, I'm thinking I don't 

1139
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,400
need that. 
If I do that, I'm going to be 

1140
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,000
lost for eternity, you know, and
that's the bottom line. 

1141
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,200
I saw it. 
He didn't he didn't harp that on

1142
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,760
me. 
I saw that. 

1143
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,480
And I said, hey, is this what 
this means? 

1144
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,800
And he said, you know, yes, 
that's what that means. 

1145
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,720
You know, it's just kind of 
going to go to school. 

1146
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,240
You know, you got to get at 
least a 65, you get a 64, you 

1147
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,800
fail. 
I don't want to be there at that

1148
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,280
age like that, you know, and and
that's where I was at that point

1149
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,680
because I didn't fulfill those 
obligations. 

1150
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:39,280
So it, it was fear, you know, 
you know, some people, they say,

1151
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
well, you shouldn't have the 
fear of the Lord put you into 

1152
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,720
salvation, but it did, you know,
I don't want to be in the lake 

1153
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,720
fire. 
You know, 80° is hot and 

1154
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,240
miserable to me. 
You know, anything more than 

1155
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,120
that, it's just actually 
excruciating. 

1156
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:54,680
You know, I don't, I don't need 
that. 

1157
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,360
You know, it's not comfortable. 
Yeah, so it went north. 

1158
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,920
So that's in there like that. 
But I will say also, it just 

1159
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,720
dawned on me about my family and
that just with fasting, I hate 

1160
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,840
to fast, I'm not going to lie 
about it, but I went through a 

1161
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,880
period where I was fasting and 
when I did, it opened up the 

1162
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,320
door to where I gave my sister, 
my mom and my dad a Bible study.

1163
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,800
My dad actually got the Holy 
Ghost and my sister and my mom 

1164
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,560
because my wife was with me when
I was giving it. 

1165
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,840
They're like, wow, there's like 
a glow around you when you're 

1166
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,280
when you're talking to us. 
So I don't know what they saw, 

1167
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,520
you know, but they didn't act 
upon it. 

1168
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,160
See, that's was the 
disappointing thing. 

1169
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,600
They didn't act upon what my dad
did, but then walked away. 

1170
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,920
So it's not just getting it and 
then that's the end of it. 

1171
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,920
It's not a once saved, always 
saved thing. 

1172
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,960
You got to keep at it. 
And we're living in a time right

1173
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,240
now to where when I read the 
Bible, you know, it's like, man,

1174
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,840
it is, it is it pre Trib, post 
Trib, mid Trib, you know, 'cause

1175
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,600
you like, I'm not for sure. 
I'm not taking a chance with 

1176
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,080
that. 
OK. 

1177
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,160
Right now I'm seeing things that
I would have never imagined in 

1178
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,520
my life that I'm seeing with 
the, the immorality that's going

1179
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,240
on in this country alone. 
And to me, I'm just like, if it 

1180
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,160
keeps going, God, you're going 
to have to repent what you did 

1181
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,760
to Sodom and Gomorrah for what's
happened right here in the good 

1182
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,720
old USA. 
This is Terry. 

1183
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,800
And so I was telling my wife the
other day, you know, the Bible 

1184
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,560
says this wasn't the days of 
Noah. 

1185
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,960
You had to eating drink and 
being married. 

1186
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,320
They're all having a good time. 
But were there other clues or 

1187
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,800
what else was going on in the 
days of Noah to find out how 

1188
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,200
close are we? 
You know, I feel like we're in 

1189
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,320
the last of the last days. 
I do feel like that and I do 

1190
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,320
feel like I'm my generation or 
us right here. 

1191
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,320
We're going to hear that trumpet
sound. 

1192
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,640
I just can't see this world keep
going on the way that it is and 

1193
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,240
it not happen, you know, with 
the signs. 

1194
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,160
And, you know, I'm a, I'm a 
discovery YouTube junkie kind of

1195
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:02,560
guy, document documentary stuff.
And I started seeing how the, 

1196
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,840
the Jewish people are starting 
to go up on the Temple Mount. 

1197
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Now they're, they're starting 
right out. 

1198
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,720
So yeah, they're, they're the 
Red Hat for the sermon. 

1199
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,600
All this stuff all happening. 
You know, who's to say that God 

1200
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,200
don't come before that temple's 
built? 

1201
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,040
Yeah, I'm not going to gamble 
that, you know, you know, like 

1202
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,760
you said, like on that one 
YouTube. 

1203
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,360
Yeah. 
September 23rd, the rapture's 

1204
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:23,960
coming. 
Yeah. 

1205
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,400
Actually, I knew that was a lie 
because the Bible says no man 

1206
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,880
knows the day or the hour and 
which the Son of Man cometh. 

1207
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,280
So I knew that was a lie. 
But you know. 

1208
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,520
Get your thinking. 
You know, it was, you know, I 

1209
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,200
mean, his intent and everything 
and being on a Jewish holiday 

1210
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,000
and stuff like that. 
I mean, it sounded good, you 

1211
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,080
know, But then the whole thing 
is, you know, what happens if 

1212
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,040
it's not there but it's still. 
The next day. 

1213
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Yeah, you just don't know. 
I I can't, I can't gamble the 

1214
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,280
fear of not making heaven to to 
endure and suffer all that you 

1215
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,080
have up to this point in life. 
There's good times and bad 

1216
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,560
times, you know, I can't lose 
out eternity with God for to go 

1217
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,280
through all of what I've gone 
through, sacrifice and 

1218
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,280
everything not to make it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1219
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,840
And thank God He got His Spirit 
in us to keep us right, to keep,

1220
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,840
to hold us to, to, to make us 
give us that strength to 

1221
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,360
persevere and keep going 
through. 

1222
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,360
All yeah, you're, you're going 
to you know, I when I read the 

1223
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,720
one scripture where it says, you
know, Satan's given the power 

1224
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,800
and authority to wear out the 
Saints, I'm like, how we how how

1225
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,640
we going to survive. 
But what I'm seeing now what 

1226
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,080
he's doing to wear the Saints 
out. 

1227
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,080
It's all in your mind is the 
anxiety and stuff. 

1228
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,160
It's the business of life and 
the stress. 

1229
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,640
And that I read a stat that's 
pretty staggering as far as like

1230
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,400
young girls, girls between the 
age of 12 and 16, one out of 

1231
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,880
three of them either have 
thought about or have committed 

1232
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,640
suicide. 
And I'm thinking, what is a 

1233
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,240
young girl between that age so 
stressed out about that you're, 

1234
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,400
you're thinking about ending 
your life or even doing it. 

1235
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,400
And then like, even people in 
the church, the Saints, you 

1236
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,960
know, the pressure of this, that
keeping that mind, you know, and

1237
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,120
that's sometimes where you're so
tired. 

1238
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,240
Yeah. 
You know. 

1239
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,040
And and 1st Thessalonians 
chapter 4 tells us make it your 

1240
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,720
ambition to lead a quiet life. 
And I look at a guy like you and

1241
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,560
I think you're a shining example
of that like you haven't haven't

1242
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,680
pushed to be in the limelight or
anything and you just steadily 

1243
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,360
working serving the Lord. 
You know, nowadays, though, I do

1244
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,840
think the morality that you 
brought up, I think Batman said 

1245
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,120
that the darker the night, the 
lighter the light, right? 

1246
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,720
And I, I do think you'll see a 
pool, not to pull from Pastor 

1247
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,520
Bruce Wayne over there too much,
but I think you'll see a pool 

1248
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,440
from that. 
And I think now is our time 

1249
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,840
because you said, you know, like
you don't want to be missed in 

1250
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,200
that. 
And so for me, it's like, OK, if

1251
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,000
we're securing our salvation, 
that's fine. 

1252
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,160
But what about our neighbors? 
You know, if we're thinking, 

1253
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,720
hey, at any moment now, who 
knows? 

1254
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,800
And then we're at a spot where, 
hey, there's a lot of souls in 

1255
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,200
our city that we could go out. 
And I think that Dollar General 

1256
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,560
story where you said too, I 
worry about the moments I've 

1257
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,520
passed up like that where it's 
just a casual thought where I'm 

1258
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,320
like, oh, you should turn right 
or left or oh, you should go in 

1259
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,200
there. 
What, not, or talk to somebody 

1260
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,480
because a lot of times we're not
good at that taking that 

1261
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,600
opportunity. 
And that says a lot about your 

1262
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,920
character obeying to take a 
weird route and then go to 

1263
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,640
Dollar General for for no 
reason, essentially. 

1264
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,520
And who knows if that planted 
that seed in either one of those

1265
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,480
people. 
The cashier, the the girl, her 

1266
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,200
mom, her family. 
You never know. 

1267
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,200
Yeah, like I say, you don't. 
You don't want to do that. 

1268
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,520
I was just even like with the 
penny, you know, when she was 

1269
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,080
going through that, she threw 
the chemo and she lost her hair 

1270
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,120
and everything and just got and,
you know, I told me, you know, 

1271
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,640
you go out there and you tell 
her, you know, you're, you're, 

1272
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,920
you're not a survivor. 
You're a conqueror survivor. 

1273
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,440
A survivor is just someone you 
made it only because that 

1274
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,320
situation dissolved and went 
away. 

1275
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,760
A conqueror is someone, while 
that's going on, you're still 

1276
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,640
striving and staying on top of 
it. 

1277
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,080
And I said, and for your hair, I
said, just like it was with 

1278
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,760
Samson, you're going to have a, 
a new covenant with God. 

1279
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,480
It's going to be stronger, you 
know, and you don't have to 

1280
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,560
worry about that hat or what 
have you. 

1281
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:29,120
And, you know, she's like, and 
it meant so much and I didn't 

1282
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,680
want to wear this hat anymore. 
But, you know, I didn't know all

1283
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,760
that stuff. 
Yeah. 

1284
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,880
You know, she started, she told 
me other things. 

1285
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,840
I won't disclose whatever. 
But it's just like, at first, 

1286
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,000
one press on me is like, oh, 
man, if if you do this and and 

1287
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,040
you're nowhere in the ballpark. 
Yeah, you're, you're going to, 

1288
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,480
you're, you're going to be 
humiliated. 

1289
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,080
That's the whole thing. 
I think that's what kind of like

1290
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,320
the devil wants to play in. 
You don't do that. 

1291
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,320
You know, you're going to look 
stupid. 

1292
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,640
You know what's God going to 
think about you now when you out

1293
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,080
there doing something dumb like 
that? 

1294
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,840
And so you, you reserve yourself
and you hold back, but you've 

1295
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,760
missed a blessing to be 1. 
When that happens, then I 

1296
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,200
rejoice inside because I heard 
from God and I did the right 

1297
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,800
thing. 
So all right, man, I heard, Let 

1298
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,240
me know I heard from God. 
God's using me, you know, And 

1299
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,240
that's how I always look at it. 
That's how I want to be. 

1300
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,480
If you don't mind, I'm sorry, I 
had a question the the ups and 

1301
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,600
downs of life. 
See, I'm, I'm 30, I've got two 

1302
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,040
kids and I know that life's not 
just going to be smooth sailing 

1303
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,000
the rest of the way. 
Did you ever hit a point if you 

1304
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,480
don't, if you don't mind talking
about it, where you kind of like

1305
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,720
strayed some and it was 
difficult living for God And 

1306
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,840
then what was it that brought 
you back if you if you ever hit 

1307
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,880
that time? 
There there were times in that, 

1308
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,200
like, like I said, for the job I
had, you know, when it when it 

1309
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,680
says, you know, you got more 
months than you do have money. 

1310
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,560
You know, it's like you got paid
this Friday, but I need the 

1311
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,440
check from two weeks from now to
still pay for these, you know, 

1312
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,560
bills right here. 
You know, how you going to do it

1313
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,640
and and during this struggle, 
you know, living for God, you're

1314
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,400
like, I honestly, when I look 
back at how did I have the money

1315
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,800
to make that and I don't, I 
don't know, but somehow God made

1316
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,680
it happen. 
You know, and I think back like,

1317
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,479
hold on man, this doesn't make 
no sense. 

1318
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,640
I only brought in 800. 
My house payment was 700 I 

1319
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,479
think. 
How did I make it? 

1320
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:30,120
I don't remember going to give 
me any money, you know, no one 

1321
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:36,120
wants to offer money, you know, 
But yeah, it, it gets like that,

1322
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,920
you know, it's like God, you 
know, and that's why you just 

1323
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,000
gotta keep praying, you know, 
Lord, you know, I always look 

1324
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,720
like too, you know, I, I 
acknowledge the fact that I am 

1325
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,520
vulnerable and we, I can't, I 
can't do it on my own. 

1326
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,920
I don't have it. 
I don't have the ability to, to 

1327
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,800
do it. 
I'm dependent on you, Lord, and 

1328
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,680
that's been my, my mindset for 
the whole whole ride here. 

1329
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,840
I know that I can't go out and 
be someone famous or whatever. 

1330
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,520
I know that, you know, 
everything I ever put my hand on

1331
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,200
I've, I've actually failed at 
school using an Honor Society 

1332
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,120
and what have you. 
Wasn't great going to the Marine

1333
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:11,680
Corps. 
You know, they all thought I was

1334
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,680
good, but I didn't consider 
myself great going to the gym 

1335
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,800
and never excelled to be Mr. 
Olympia. 

1336
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,399
Nothing like that. 
Everything, everything, 

1337
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,399
everything that I try to put my 
my heart into it. 

1338
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,800
I failed, you know, so that's 
why I'm just like I, I'm giving 

1339
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,240
up range of control and I just 
try to listen. 

1340
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,479
What do you want me to do? 
God everyday, you know, put into

1341
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,120
me, show me. 
So I mean, I just, I'd look for 

1342
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,279
everything, man. 
I have a bumper stickers I 

1343
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,880
listen to just like, you know, 
like giddy and I I go listen to 

1344
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,240
the enemy and what are they 
saying? 

1345
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,840
You know, whatever to pick up, 
you know, for God to talk to me 

1346
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,560
that this is the direction I 
need to go. 

1347
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,600
But it is, it is rough like that
when you go through times like 

1348
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,720
that. 
But once you go through it one 

1349
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:00,520
time and God pulls you through 
and now it's no big deal. 

1350
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,400
I've been through this before. 
This is what happens, you know, 

1351
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,240
just to say about the storm, 
say, OK, rain's going to come, 

1352
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,480
the wind's going to beat down. 
You know, I might have to put 

1353
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,760
some siding up if the fence came
down or what have you. 

1354
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,160
But all right, I already did it 
once and do it against no big 

1355
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,320
deal. 
Now I don't. 

1356
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:20,800
I don't panic over that now. 
One thing he told me was that 

1357
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,640
during those rough times that 
you had that what was looking 

1358
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,920
back at it, One thing you 
realize was that you were very 

1359
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,640
you got closer through the 
hardship to the Lord because you

1360
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,240
realized you had to rely on him 
like you knew you had to rely on

1361
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,560
him. 
And you realize that that meant 

1362
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,360
that you were getting closer to 
him then if you didn't have to 

1363
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:47,560
rely on him. 
Yeah, that's like I said that 

1364
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,440
that that all just comes through
experience like that. 

1365
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,080
That's why I'm just kind of glad
that it didn't become famous or 

1366
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,960
anything like that. 
Because sometimes you always 

1367
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,600
wonder, man, what happened? 
If I would have made this 

1368
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,840
decision earlier in life, I 
could avoid it this way. 

1369
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,200
And then you don't know what 
path you would have travelled 

1370
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,000
down to that way that could have
took you further away. 

1371
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:10,160
And so everything that's come my
way has been for a reason, for a

1372
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,120
purpose, to build character, to 
draw me closer. 

1373
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,680
So I don't, I don't ever at the 
time, I, I, I get mad, certainly

1374
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,560
frustrated and why is this 
happening or whatever. 

1375
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,400
But I've learned even, I guess 
it's from the job. 

1376
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,400
I'm not going to curse God. 
I'm not going to blame God ever 

1377
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,400
for anything that happens. 
You know, I'm, I'm not, I'm 

1378
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,920
smart enough not to do the fear 
of the Lord is the beginning of 

1379
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,160
wisdom. 
I'm smart enough not to do that.

1380
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,440
And so with that, the only 
person that can help me is the 

1381
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:44,760
Lord. 
So why would I want to do 

1382
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:47,840
anything where his hand is 
against me? 

1383
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,040
It is a fearful thing to fall 
into the hands of a living God. 

1384
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,960
And I go by that model and try 
to live by that model. 

1385
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:57,720
That's where that's where we're 
at. 

1386
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,000
So you're you're for your 
bloodline, your first 

1387
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,520
generation, so to speak, 
Pentecostal will say that. 

1388
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,560
What, what kind of feeling does 
that give you to look out at 

1389
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:16,440
church and see not only me on 
the platform, but you see like 

1390
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:20,880
your grandson clapping and being
in that environment. 

1391
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,080
To know that it started with 
you, that. 

1392
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,400
Boy's a trip to. 
He's a dancer. 

1393
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,920
The other day, yeah, he got out 
in the aisles and was clapping 

1394
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,840
and raising his hands. 
I think it was Paul that said 

1395
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,680
that I have no greater joy than 
to see my children walking in 

1396
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:40,760
truth and that that that is it. 
That's why for my life I I want 

1397
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,560
for you to see in my life like 
God has blessed him to put him 

1398
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,040
in that it God has done that and
for you to trust into the God 

1399
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,440
that I serve just like his God 
of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, 

1400
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,760
each generation to be able to 
see that God blessed him God 

1401
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,680
work through him to survive and 
and you know, and for you to 

1402
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,680
rely on that God like I did. 
That's why I wanted. 

1403
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,320
So, yeah, it does be in the 
first generation to see 

1404
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,360
generations after me to follow 
in those footsteps. 

1405
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:18,000
It's, you know, it's 
encouraging, inspiring, because 

1406
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,600
like I said, I'm not always 
going to be here. 

1407
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,320
You know, unfortunately, the 
Bible says your average life is 

1408
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,640
70 years. 
I got about 11 years to go on 

1409
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,120
average. 
You know, it could come sooner. 

1410
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,760
I don't know. 
But to know that you're safe and

1411
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,200
you've got a relationship with 
God to count on him, you need to

1412
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,240
understand it's, it's not me 
that allowed. 

1413
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:44,240
It is God that allowed this to 
happen, to put this so that you 

1414
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:49,400
can experience that as well. 
And so that's the joy that I get

1415
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:49,960
out of it. 
Yeah. 

1416
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,760
Because there's, there's, 
there's 5 John Bosings. 

1417
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,040
I'm the fifth. 
You're the 4th, So 3 John 

1418
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,400
Boastings came and went before 
God, really, as far as we know, 

1419
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,000
before God really kind of went 
out of his way to said, boy, get

1420
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,000
on that boat. 
I'm about to show you something.

1421
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,160
Yeah, I mean, you just know. 
I mean you, you never know. 

1422
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,200
Like like Bible says to only God
knows the heart of man. 

1423
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,120
Even even yourself, you don't 
know how even you know. 

1424
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,600
I always say to man, Lord, I 
don't know who, what where I 

1425
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,120
would be if it wasn't for you, 
because if I didn't have this 

1426
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,760
hope of heaven and to be able to
make it, I could be acting just 

1427
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,080
like the rest of them out there,
you know, but there's no 

1428
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,520
consequences. 
Yeah. 

1429
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,640
Give me your wallet, buddy. 
No, you know, I'm yeah, you 

1430
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,280
don't have 5 bucks here, man. 
And what I spent more, more on 

1431
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,480
the bullets in it, you know, you
know, you could find very easily

1432
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,680
being that morally depraved as 
the rest of this world. 

1433
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,560
And that's why I got to try to 
in my mind when I encounter 

1434
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:51,880
people. 
And that is to understand, you 

1435
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,240
know, what they're not serving 
the master that I, I served. 

1436
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,200
That's why they behave the way 
that they do. 

1437
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,120
And, and sometimes I don't see 
them like, man, why you acting 

1438
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,920
like that? 
You know, but they're, you know,

1439
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,800
you're serving one or the other,
either either the God or Satan. 

1440
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,640
And, and what people don't 
understand is, is when Satan 

1441
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,120
took the Lord up there to the 
mountain, showed him everything,

1442
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,440
said, I can give you all this, 
OK, He still has that authority 

1443
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,480
and power to do that. 
And you have people you see, 

1444
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:22,440
like like even Bob Dylan, I said
and all that I said that guy 

1445
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:26,000
Can't Sing man. 
And he admitted on a a 

1446
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:31,440
documentary he sold his soul. 
He called him the to the chief. 

1447
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:35,520
I was, you know, to Satan and he
would go like under a trance 

1448
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:40,080
when he wrote wrote the music. 
It wasn't him, but it was the 

1449
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,080
demonic spirit that, you know, 
possessed him. 

1450
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,800
And so Satan has that when you 
look like. 

1451
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:47,560
Yeah. 
And. 

1452
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,000
And you find out too, why all 
these people too? 

1453
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,200
You know, a high suicide rate is
among them. 

1454
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,760
Like Hollywood now you're 
thinking, these people got 

1455
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,080
everything. 
How could life be stressful for 

1456
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,560
you? 
You got money to pay and buy for

1457
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:00,960
everything. 
No, they're unhappy. 

1458
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:04,600
They don't have the Lord. 
So there's an unhappiness there.

1459
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,160
You know, the Bible kind of 
tells us that we're all like, 

1460
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:09,960
you know, we kind of come from 
God and we're meant to return to

1461
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,080
God, basically. 
And so each of us is missing 

1462
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,760
something inside, you know what 
I mean? 

1463
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:14,480
Yeah. 
The Void. 

1464
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,200
And so, you know, you see that 
and you see these people who try

1465
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,080
to fill it with all these 
things, but it really doesn't 

1466
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,680
get satisfaction, does it, you 
know? 

1467
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,320
Yeah, it's just, it's sad. 
So I got to try to keep that, 

1468
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,920
you know, in mind when I out 
there interacting with them 

1469
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,880
that, you know, they don't have 
what I have. 

1470
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,160
And so then, you know, whenever 
you can share that with 

1471
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,640
somebody, you know, it's just 
another seed planet. 

1472
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,120
They said we, we got limited 
time here and it's over. 

1473
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,720
You know, I don't want to see 
anybody go to the lake of Fire, 

1474
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,600
you know, so I said, we're 
spiritual firefighters. 

1475
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,440
We got to try to pull, try to 
pull them up, try to pull them 

1476
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:53,040
out of there before that 
happens. 

1477
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,480
One thing that I, I've always 
appreciated of how you raised me

1478
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,080
and, and have been as far as a 
father figure for me as the 

1479
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,920
difference between, I'm not 
trying to bash on your dad, but 

1480
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,560
I think that kind of shows the 
difference in the importance of 

1481
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,480
a father, just a, a father 
figure, but one that's also 

1482
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,920
faithful as far as in their 
religious belief for their 

1483
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,920
family. 
You, you grew up with someone 

1484
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,960
who wasn't involved and didn't 
prioritize those things. 

1485
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,120
And the difference that it made 
is that you had to find all that

1486
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,160
stuff on your own. 
You didn't have the help, but 

1487
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:31,800
for us, because of the example 
you set, I could theoretically 

1488
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,000
say I, I grew up in this 
religion, whether or not I 

1489
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,840
always personally was fully 
invested into it. 

1490
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,680
That's that's on me. 
But I was able to grow up and 

1491
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,360
knowing what the truth was and 
having someone to go to to to 

1492
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:46,800
ask those questions when I 
didn't know when you had the 

1493
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,560
experience or the wisdom that I 
didn't have. 

1494
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,520
What could you do? 
You think that there's a what? 

1495
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,600
What value do you put on that as
far as from your perspective of 

1496
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,680
being able to know that you made
a difference and how you were 

1497
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,680
going to raise your family 
versus the people who came 

1498
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,880
before you and the importance of
a father who cared enough to 

1499
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,960
make sure that his family was 
where they needed to be. 

1500
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,560
Yeah. 
When you look at like statistics

1501
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:18,600
and that too you can, you can 
see that single mother homes 

1502
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,320
where there is no father net 
involved. 

1503
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,760
The children, you know, I hate 
to say it, but become part of 

1504
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:34,040
the alphabet community and they 
they have a hatred for men. 

1505
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:39,960
And I guess when you get all 
your direction from the woman 

1506
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,800
instead of the man, that's not 
how God set it up. 

1507
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:48,520
So it's already dysfunctional. 
And so when the father's not 

1508
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:52,680
there, that's the God, God's 
blessing isn't going to flow. 

1509
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,360
It's supposed to go from him to 
the man to the woman to the 

1510
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,800
kids. 
And when that element is out of 

1511
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,360
there, it becomes dysfunctional.
And so then that's when these 

1512
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,680
young men begin to even 
sometimes hate their mom and be 

1513
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:12,360
misogynist and become criminal 
active, you know, because they 

1514
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:16,240
don't have a father figure there
to, you know, say no, this is 

1515
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,120
these are the consequences of 
this stuff. 

1516
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,280
You don't have that guidance 
there. 

1517
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,960
Then you fall into that sort of 
environment, which is what you 

1518
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,160
see in in this world. 
You know, even for like for a 

1519
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,000
man, OK, we're supposed to love 
our wife like Christ loved the 

1520
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,880
church. 
We and what he do, he died for 

1521
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,040
the church. 
So having a father there, 

1522
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:42,040
especially one that would would 
be godly or want to want to obey

1523
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:46,040
the Lord and fulfill his will, 
it's going to make a tremendous 

1524
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,200
difference in your society, 
where you're at and where you 

1525
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,080
go. 
And what's terrible when you 

1526
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,640
look at over all the 
civilizations, you know, you, 

1527
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,680
you wonder, how did Babylon 
fall? 

1528
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,040
How did Roman fall? 
You know, the Persians, Greeks, 

1529
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,760
how did all this happen? 
It all ended up coming down to 

1530
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,560
immorality. 
That's what destroyed their 

1531
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,720
civilization. 
And I see that even now. 

1532
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,640
Your, your father even told me, 
you know, things that are going 

1533
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:13,360
on. 
He said. 

1534
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,800
Do you know that? 
This whole alphabet community 

1535
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,040
stuff, he said. 
That's only 3% of our population

1536
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,440
and you're so disgusted with it 
now at 3%. 

1537
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,800
Yeah, morality's falling a lot 
of ways. 

1538
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,600
And I think also masculinity, 
like you said, and masculinity 

1539
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,080
isn't it isn't some, you know, 
tough, Oh, I'm going to beat all

1540
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,640
my kids or what not, you know, 
and I think that's for you. 

1541
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,640
What's impressive with you 
stepping in, not even having 

1542
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,400
that example and say, you know 
what, I'm changing our future as

1543
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,760
a family, you know, because now 
you have him being a father to 

1544
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,160
his son. 
And I'll say with the kids too. 

1545
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,280
That's what changed my 
perspective because before I'm 

1546
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,640
like, I'll just figure it out, 
you know, to me, we'll we'll 

1547
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,840
figure it out. 
But then when you have that 

1548
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:03,120
responsibility and then you, you
accept it as a man and go in and

1549
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:07,200
say, you know what, I have a 
deeper responsibility to God and

1550
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,040
to my family now to change me 
some. 

1551
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,600
And I, I think that's where the 
masculinity you've showed 

1552
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,480
through your whole story that 
you were able to be broken and 

1553
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:20,080
then God flowing through you 
through your family. 

1554
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:21,960
I'm striving to do that 
everyday. 

1555
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,520
I think children are a blessing 
in a, in a way, and the fact 

1556
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:31,240
that when they're growing up, 
you know, you make mistakes and 

1557
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,000
what have you, and then that 
gives you more of an 

1558
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,880
understanding on how your 
heavenly Father deals with you. 

1559
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:44,720
You could have one child who's 
like, you know, Dad, give me 

1560
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:46,200
this, give me that, this ain't 
good enough. 

1561
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,760
This ain't, you know, this, that
and the other. 

1562
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,560
Then you have another child 
that, you know, all of a sudden 

1563
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,560
they're packing your favorite 
snack to your lunch, telling 

1564
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,360
you, I love you. 
This, that other, which one are 

1565
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,360
you going to? 
You know which one? 

1566
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,440
You know, you're not supposed to
pick favorites, but obviously 

1567
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:06,880
the one who appreciates 
everything that you do is going 

1568
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,880
to make you work harder to make 
them happy. 

1569
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,000
I've learned that, you know, as 
a father. 

1570
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,360
And so that's why everybody too.
I'm thankful roof over my head, 

1571
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,800
clothes on my back, food on the 
table. 

1572
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,880
I'm thankful for this is just 
some of the small things that 

1573
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,920
I'm aware that you got. 
You know, I'm not even aware of 

1574
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,040
all that you do, but I am so 
thankful for what a little I do 

1575
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,640
know that, yeah, you're worthy 
of praise and I'm going to give 

1576
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,520
it. 
And that's where I live. 

1577
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,280
Amen. 
All right. 

1578
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,840
I don't know if you guys got 
anything more right an hour and 

1579
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,400
a half. 
Just one thing I tend to ask 

1580
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,680
everybody at the end is just 
kind of like, what's a lesson 

1581
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,040
that God's kind of taught you 
through your life and something 

1582
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,720
you could pass on to others, you
know? 

1583
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,760
I was happy. 
I just happened to say the 

1584
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,000
biggest lesson in my life is 
that even through the hard times

1585
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,120
and what have you, always stay 
faithful and and trust in God. 

1586
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:05,920
Don't waver on that. 
No matter what the fate looks 

1587
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,200
like. 
Don't your values, your 

1588
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,920
character, do not let them 
diminish under the circumstance.

1589
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,640
Don't let that happen. 
You know God will see you 

1590
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,200
through it. 
We don't know how or when it's 

1591
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,160
going to place. 
That's what makes it awesome. 

1592
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,520
You know, that's what makes a 
miracle a miracle. 

1593
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,720
A situation is totally 
impossible that you can't take 

1594
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,400
care of. 
You know you can't take care of 

1595
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,080
it. 
And then when it happens, then 

1596
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,400
you can rejoice. 
Overlook what God has done for 

1597
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,120
me. 
So that would be my greatest 

1598
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,440
lesson out of life, You know, 
always trusting God no matter 

1599
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:41,760
what the situation is.