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Whether you're a Bitcoin veteran 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,840 or just starting out, Bitcoin Magazine pro.com has all the 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,200 resources you need to make smarter decisions. 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,920 Take control of your financial future and visit 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,920 bitcoinmagazinepro.com today, the number one Bitcoin analytics 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,600 platform. How's it going, man? 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Good. How are you? 25 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:26,400 Thanks for having us. Yeah, excited to chat a little 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,040 bit about Block Stream and J Plus today we have Rich here up 27 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,800 on stage. Hey, Rich, good morning. 28 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,520 Good morning. All right, I think we got 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,880 everyone here, so we are ready when you are. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,920 Awesome. See Rich here, Drew and then we 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,160 have the block stream Jade account as well. 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,880 Who's who's on the Block? Stream Jade account here. 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,080 Hey everyone, this is Barshak. Can you hear me all well? 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,720 Hey, Barshak, Good morning. Awesome. 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,680 Good morning to you. Cool. 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Let's kick things off here. I know Adam back is currently in 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,640 flight. He may be able to join us later, 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,560 but nonetheless integrate experts up here on the stage. 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,440 Good morning, good evening, good afternoon. 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Every guys are tuning in. I'm Alan over here from Bitcoin 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,320 magazine going to be chatting through lock streams release of 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,280 their J Plus device, which was appropriately launched on the 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,440 16th anniversary Bitcoin's genesis block before diving in 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,400 to jade plus for anybody new to the space, obviously block 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,080 stream needs no introduction. There's a formality. 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,160 Block stream is a leading Bitcoin infrastructure company 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,680 dedicated to advancing the Bitcoin ecosystem with cutting 48 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,680 edge cryptography, open source technology and user centric 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,680 solutions. Adam Back, their CEO is a true 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,120 pioneer in the Bitcoin space, known for his invention of hash 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,240 cash approval work system that laid the fund for Bitcoin. 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,160 Before we get into J Plus man, I have to acknowledge it's been a 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,640 whirlwind of 48 hours. Got to mention the hardening of 54 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:00,960 Ross Ulbricht last night. Certainly an exciting moment. 55 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Extraordinary mode not just for Ross and his family, but for 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,040 Bitcoin and Bitcoin advocacy. So shout out to Ross, to the 57 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,800 team and the block stream team up here. 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,080 Before we get into the Vice, would love to get your thoughts 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,520 on the freeing of Ross. It's just kind of an ice breaker 60 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:15,920 here. Where were you when you heard 61 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:17,720 the news? What do you think this signals 62 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,240 to Bitcoin when the stands to the current administration? 63 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,640 I was in my kitchen cooking some late dinner when I heard the 64 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:28,680 news on Twitter. It was awesome news to hear and 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,520 actually the first thing I did was re listen to the talk that 66 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,680 you guys had at one of the Bitcoin conferences. 67 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:40,280 I think it was 21 or 22, very emotional speech that he gave 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:46,360 over the phone pre recorded and man go Ross, go him and go 69 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Bitcoin. Drew with the same person except 70 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,720 that was cleaning dinner or clean up after dinner and I put 71 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,280 the same talk on Bitcoin 2021 I believe it was and Ross was 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,160 speaking from prison really powerful speech there and just 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,960 super exciting. You know it didn't happen. 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,760 Maybe it happened day one. You know, the 1st 24 hours as 75 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,360 skeptical, hoping it was going to come through and you know, 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,760 after seeing that happen, I have a lot of confidence and hope in 77 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,120 this administration and being able to, you know, achieve the 78 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,680 rest of the the things that they put out to do. 79 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,920 Yeah, finally. I was also with my kid and the 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,360 speech definitely gave me tears. I was mostly happy for my kid 81 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,360 and the future. I'm so excited for what's next. 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,160 It was a really great, great step towards more advocacy. 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,480 Yeah, super exciting moment last night. 84 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,320 I hope Ross gets the well deserved rest that he has 85 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,240 earned. And you know, there's a funny 86 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,560 meme going around saying that you know how terrible Trump to 87 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,840 condemn Ross 21 years of libertarian and Bitcoin podcast. 88 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:50,840 But I hope people give him a second to rest. 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,480 Super happy for him and his family. 90 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,720 But into getting into the crux of the conversation. 91 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,760 They definitely want to talk on the release of your guys's 92 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,000 latest advice. J Plus. 93 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,800 Good place to dive in here. What better than what J does? 94 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:08,080 It's a security device, self custody device. 95 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,320 Let's chat. Some security features start 96 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,480 open question to the panel here. What are some of the must have 97 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,960 security features that bitcoiners should look for in a 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,240 hardware wallet and how does J Plus meet or exceed those 99 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,120 standards? Yeah, I can kick this off here. 100 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,360 You know #1 we all talk about, you know what Bitcoin is open 101 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,280 source, and I think that's the first thing you want to look for 102 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:32,560 in your hardware wallet, fully open source device software, 103 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,720 hardware. You want to make sure that the 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,280 device is doing what it says it's it's doing, that you can 105 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,160 verify the firmware that you're running on yours is the same one 106 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,280 on the code base. But there's also some other fun 107 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:44,280 things you can add to specifically for Jade. 108 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:48,520 Plus, we added a hardware check to make sure that the device was 109 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,760 indeed manufactured by Blockstream and not some sort of 110 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,360 clone that looks similar that someone else was trying to ship 111 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,840 to people maliciously. So we have a really cool feature 112 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:57,840 there. You pair green, you pair green 113 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,920 and Jade together, or you can use our web app if you're a 114 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,200 Sparrow Nunchuck user using other companion platform and it 115 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,440 actually has jade sign a challenge to make sure that it 116 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,080 was indeed manufactured by block stream. 117 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,720 So again, open source is important. 118 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,480 You want to make sure it's doing what it says it's doing. 119 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,160 I think Bitcoin only is also important just so you can have a 120 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,280 smaller code base. You can have engineers focusing 121 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,040 on keeping your Bitcoin protected and not focused on too 122 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,800 many other things. That's always good to have. 123 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,760 And then another fun feature with Jade, we have Anti X will 124 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,320 support one of the two wallets who does have that. 125 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,800 And that kind of protects you against the anti, it's called 126 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Anti X fill protects you against the dark Skippy kind of attack 127 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,480 that was popular this summer where someone could slowly 128 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,880 extract your private keys over enough transactions. 129 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,640 Yeah, I think overall, make sure device is open source. 130 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,320 You can make sure it's doing what it says it's doing. 131 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,440 And then look for some of those extra features as well. 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,680 Maybe I can add some color from a user experience point of view, 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,560 too, because I drive our design and UX research efforts. 134 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,560 You know, in Bitcoin custody, there are a lot of complex 135 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,720 security practices, a lot of jargon, a lot of concepts that 136 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,480 users need to wrap their heads around. 137 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,440 You know, see phrases, backups, pass phrases, Pins, air gap 138 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,960 security practices. These are all really great, you 139 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760 know, security protocols and best practices that users should 140 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,240 follow. Well, yeah, with J Plus, we aim 141 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,920 to kind of simplify the experience without compromising 142 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,760 on all of these security features. 143 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,320 So we made sure that, you know, the experience is simple for 144 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,080 novices while still, you know, keeping the advanced features 145 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,040 and the more complex security features still accessible and 146 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,320 discoverable by the advanced users. 147 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,560 So I kind of like the whole versatility and kind of it's the 148 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,240 way J Plus adopts itself based on the users kind of familiarity 149 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,480 with the technology. You guys mentioned the, the, you 150 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,960 know, one of the key features of J plus being adaptable to, you 151 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,000 know, the end user and wherever they're at in their Bitcoin 152 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,720 journey, whether they're new to Bitcoin or experts. 153 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,320 You guys have obviously had a lot of experience creating, you 154 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,640 know, other devices as well through those learnings. 155 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,720 You know what are some common miss practices for new users who 156 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,200 are looking to custody of their Bitcoin for the first time, and 157 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,840 how does Jade make that easier for them? 158 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,320 Yeah, you'll see a lot of users, you know, we have this term 159 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,880 wallet in the industry that I think has gained too much 160 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,400 traction when it shouldn't really be there. 161 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,480 And so people have a hard time understanding where their keys 162 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,680 live or what exactly keys are or why do I need to connect my 163 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,600 hardware wallet to a phone, things like that. 164 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,160 And so you see a lot of confusion of people just, you 165 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,160 know, creating a seed phrase on a mobile app, then putting that 166 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,320 on their Jade, for example. And so we try to make that 167 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,039 easier by having a dedicated companion app block stream 168 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:33,880 green. So when you open up green, 169 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,679 you're directed to set up your jade. 170 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,120 We have a nice set up flow there for you. 171 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,120 So you're kind of understanding that this device is paired with 172 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,760 green and the funds that you see on green are not they don't 173 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,040 exist on green and you know, it actually exists on the 174 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,520 blockchain. But that's a whole another story 175 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,240 of the kind of beginner confusion. 176 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,640 But we do allow users this really nice setup flow. 177 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,720 They can pair their jade with green, make sure they're not 178 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,680 putting their seed phrase somewhere dangerous. 179 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:56,920 Make sure we are letting them know, you know, don't screenshot 180 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,840 this, don't put this on your iCloud backup or whatever. 181 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,000 This is a, you know, seed words. These are your Bitcoin here. 182 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,120 And so we try to guide users through that and let them know 183 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,320 about the pitfalls along the way. 184 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,600 New listeners here and a new Bitcoiners here. 185 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,560 Could you walk through a little bit of what Blockstream Green is 186 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:16,680 and how it's compatible with J? Yeah, Blockstream Green is our 187 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,240 dedicating companion app for Jade, Jade and Jade. 188 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,600 It was originally just a mobile wallet with a basically your 189 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,360 seed phrase lives on your phone. We have a really cool encryption 190 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,480 scheme that allows it to not be easily extractable if we use 191 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,320 something called a blind Oracle to keep the decryption keys off 192 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,680 your device. So that's maybe a little more 193 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,560 technical of a discussion there. But Long story short, yeah, the 194 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:39,080 block stream green allows you to have keys on your phone so you 195 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,960 can easily spend from your mobile wallet, no extra device 196 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,720 needed. And then block stream Jade comes 197 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,280 into play by being this kind of extra piece of, you know, this 198 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,440 extra hardware, this extra thing of it piece of information that 199 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,840 you need in order to spend funds. 200 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,760 So that would be the separate device that you pair to block 201 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,440 stream green to allow you to connect to the Internet. 202 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,720 Hardware wallets are extra secure because they have small 203 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,720 attack vectors. They're not directly connected 204 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,200 to the Internet. They're kind of their own thing 205 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,760 specifically designed just to keep your Bitcoin private key 206 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,400 safe. And so when you connect to 207 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,240 green, you now have an access to the Internet. 208 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,480 Bitcoin lives on the Internet, so we need some sort of access 209 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,400 to that. And so green allows you to 210 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,800 generate transaction, generate transactions, generate receive 211 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,520 addresses, allow people to send you Bitcoin without needing your 212 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,480 hardware wallet. And when you're ready to spend 213 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,600 those keys that live on jade compared to green and like to 214 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,000 send funds. I want to quickly circle back to 215 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,320 some earlier comments made about threats and attack factors and 216 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,920 how Jade can protect against that. 217 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,760 I know you mentioned certain features like Secure boot, anti 218 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,800 X fill and even genuine check. In your guys's opinion, you 219 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,200 know, what are some of the top attack factors that you guys 220 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,560 have seen in your experience and perhaps maybe dive a little bit 221 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,560 deeper into, you know, secure boot, anti X fill continuing 222 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,800 check and how these features differentiate from maybe other 223 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,760 potential competitor wallets in the space? 224 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,840 For sure, yeah, Secure Boot basically allows us to make sure 225 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,200 that the firmware that is running on your J device is 226 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,400 signed by block stream. So it's firmware that our team 227 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,880 is signed off on the same firmware that you can view on 228 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,840 GitHub and see the exact block stream Jade code, making sure 229 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,080 it's doing, but it says it's doing. 230 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,480 It's not leaking your keys in any way. 231 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,600 Yeah, Secure Boot there. Make sure that the device is 232 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,800 running what you want it to be running. 233 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Genuine check allows us to inject keys into the E fuse of 234 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,240 your block stream. Jade sounds technical, but it 235 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,280 basically just means that Jade can sign a challenge presented 236 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,120 to it by block stream and that says these keys were put on here 237 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,720 by block stream, same as a private key on your Bitcoin 238 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,200 wall, for example. You can't replicate it and we 239 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,680 could. That allows us to to prove that 240 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,480 the device was made by us. It's not some clone someone's 241 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,120 trying to trick you with to steal your funds. 242 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Some other things that are a little bit different, like I 243 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,760 mentioned, anti X fill only jade and bit box offer that it's a 244 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,440 little bit of a technical attack, but in theory, someone 245 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,320 could slowly extract your private keys over time. 246 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,160 And so block stream green and block stream jade work together 247 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,920 to randomize this information allowed not to be the attack 248 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,240 allows you to kind of send the same knots over and the light 249 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,360 slowly extract private keys and so green and jade work together 250 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:08,680 to make sure that's not the same knots. 251 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,080 It's randomized and kind of avoid that. 252 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,200 That attack Dark Skippy is the popular version of this. 253 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,080 Said dark Skippy was something that kind of came to light was a 254 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,800 popular attack earlier this summer. 255 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,200 What are some of the signs that someone just performing that 256 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,000 attack on maybe you know, your device or on you? 257 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,320 I don't even know if that's the technical right there, but it's. 258 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Yeah, right. I know this stuff gets technical 259 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,280 and maybe above the scope of this, but people can do clever 260 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,120 things, I think. I don't know if this is exactly 261 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,680 dark Skippy, but one of the things that could maybe happen 262 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:43,240 is your hardware wallet is asked to sign the same transaction 263 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,680 twice. And you got to make sure that 264 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,640 the firmware is made kind of catches that for you. 265 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,680 But there's ways that you can sign transactions in a weird way 266 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,480 and slowly extract private keys through this method. 267 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,720 And yeah, that's just one of the things that anti XFL does is 268 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,440 make sure that first of all, we don't allow this to happen in 269 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,040 the 1st place, and also that we catch things if they look odd. 270 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,400 So not it's, you know, that's why it's so clever. 271 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,040 It's because it's hard to detect by people. 272 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,960 It could just be slowly over time signing random transactions 273 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,600 that you would be sending anyway and align them to get key data 274 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,360 from that. I wanted to move into expanding 275 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,320 on Jade versus Jade Plus. You know what sets Box Stream 276 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,560 Jade apart from other hardware wallets in the market today? 277 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,680 And then how does Jade Plus build upon the original Jade 278 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,160 model? If you don't mind Rich, I'll 279 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,640 take this. Go for it. 280 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Oh, the Jade came out in 2021. It was Block Streams little pet 281 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,520 project to showcase that you could cold storage liquid 282 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,720 assets. Liquid's a side chain. 283 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,560 We don't have to go down that rabbit hole today. 284 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,800 So block streams ethos is pretty much open source everything that 285 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,920 you possibly can. And while they followed through 286 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,360 on the hardware wallet, as Rich has mentioned multiple times, 287 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Jade is completely open source that from the firmware to the 288 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,200 hardware itself. So if you don't want block 289 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,520 stream to make the Jade for you, you can get off the shelf parts 290 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,320 at online for whatever 20-30 bucks and you can make your own 291 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,680 Jade, which is really cool and really easy to do. 292 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,600 But when you do that, you don't get like some of the cool things 293 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,840 like a camera or a battery. But again, we don't need to talk 294 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,080 about that now. So as I mentioned, Block Stream 295 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,440 came out with the original Jade into 2021. 296 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Over the last couple years, we've really ramped up 297 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,880 production and sales and marketing around the Jade. 298 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,320 And with that, we've heard more and more features that customers 299 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,240 have wanted. So they wanted a better camera, 300 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,680 They wanted a better screen, bigger screen. 301 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,400 They didn't like the scroll wheel that was on the original 302 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,480 Jade. And so over the years, we've 303 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,320 been taking all this data in and we've been saying, all right, 304 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,600 what's the most important thing that we need to tackle? 305 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,880 And the first thing was bigger screen. 306 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,360 We need a bigger screen. People were having a tough time 307 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,600 scanning QR codes on the Jade and they were having a tough 308 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,680 time actually scanning QR codes with the camera. 309 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,720 So the Jade Plus has iterated on the original Jade. 310 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,000 The original Jade will still be sold and supported for the time 311 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,840 to for a we have no end date in mind for the original Jade. 312 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,920 And the Jade Plus has, as I mentioned, a bigger and brighter 313 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,360 screen, a better camera. A it comes in a metal body that 314 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,640 you can have attachments now. So people were complaining about 315 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,440 that. You can't upgrade the original 316 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,680 Jade's firmware totally air gapped with the new Jade. 317 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,400 You can with the SD card. With an SD card or we're selling 318 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,920 a new product called the Jade Link. 319 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,280 It's a USBC storage. You can upload all the firmware 320 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,920 onto that device, plug it into your Jade, upgrade your jade. 321 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,640 It takes less than 10 seconds to do. 322 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,280 It's pretty slick actually. I think I said everything. 323 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Did I get everything guys? Maybe we can also talk a bit 324 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,040 more about the form factor as well. 325 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,720 So the new form factor is definitely much more powerful. 326 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,600 Also new better metal material improvements. 327 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,720 Also new interaction models, you know, with the form factor, with 328 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:00,480 the larger display and you know, facilitating better tactile 329 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,800 buttons, simple buttons to provide at the end of the day a 330 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,600 much more intuitive and responsive user experience too. 331 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,920 That also led to better navigation and user experience, 332 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,800 again for users. Yeah, the form factor, the 333 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,160 device looks very slick. For those who haven't seen yet, 334 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,800 we have pinned up in the the Nest here just the release 335 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,320 announcement of the the Jade device and and that you can see 336 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,440 a video of the device itself looks very sleek. 337 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,560 One of the better looking devices that I've seen out there 338 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,680 doesn't necessarily just like AUSB stick, which I'm sure is 339 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,840 more enticing to, you know, users who are exploring whole 340 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,800 storage devices. I know you guys mentioned 341 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,120 briefly in there, you know, one of the one of the big 342 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,520 functionalities and big aspects of the NUJ devices, it's air gap 343 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,240 functionality. Certainly a highlight, you know, 344 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,560 for users you might not be familiar. 345 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,920 Could you explain what air gap means and why it's, you know, a 346 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,360 crucial component for Bitcoin security? 347 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,840 Yeah. So the air gap, the term there 348 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,560 is used for a lot of different things in the computing 349 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,280 industry. But in the way that Bitcoin 350 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,920 hardware, while it's used the term, it essentially means that 351 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,319 you are in control of all of the data being sent to or from your 352 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,960 hardware wallet. And so we do this in the form of 353 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,000 QR codes or also files on, as Drew said, Jade link or the USBC 354 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,720 accessory, or you can use a micro SD card similar to how 355 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,640 other devices do this. And so if you ever want Jade to 356 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,720 have data sent to it, you're not connected via USB cable or 357 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,080 Bluetooth. You're solely saying scan this 358 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,920 QR code. This is the only data I want you 359 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,360 to consume. And so in a lot of sense, you 360 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,200 could say, well, now I know there's not anything malicious 361 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,680 being sent because in theory, I could audit that QR code. 362 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,160 I could look exactly at the file. 363 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,400 People are not gonna do that every time they sign a 364 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,080 transaction. But in theory, you know exactly 365 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,680 what data is being sent to or from your hardware wallet, which 366 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:54,200 could be a security improvement. I will note that because QRSD 367 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,680 can be a little finicky, I mean just having to go back and forth 368 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,000 between the device. Obviously nothing's going to be 369 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,520 the Bluetooth connection. Even though Jade is amazing at 370 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,560 both QR and SD, Bluetooth is just automatic right away. 371 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,400 Same with USB cable. No need to point your Jade at 372 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,080 the screen, the message just happens. 373 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,520 And that way we can allow something like anti Expo. 374 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,680 As I mentioned before, to do that same process with QRSD 375 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,880 cards, you have to do multiple rounds of putting the SD card in 376 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,200 and out of your computer a few times to make sure that this 377 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,600 anti Expo procedure works. Air gap is awesome, and if 378 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,920 you're going to out of the data, that's really cool to be able to 379 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,160 do that. But as with everything in 380 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,600 Bitcoin and in life, there's trade-offs and benefits to every 381 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,480 kind of communication method. One topic we haven't gotten into 382 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,440 yet is the multi signature and it's, you know, for I guess 383 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,680 maybe not the beginning user, but the more intermediate and 384 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,520 advanced user who has a significant amount of Bitcoin 385 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,000 wants to spread out their risk. You know it's a. 386 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,520 It's a important feature to have. 387 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:53,360 How does Jade make setting up a multi sig setup accessible for 388 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,560 people? Yeah, I mean with block stream 389 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,720 green, again you can use Jade with any companion app out 390 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,040 there, Sparrow, Nunchuck. But with green specifically, we 391 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,880 have a built in kind of beginner like multi sig where your seed 392 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,800 phrase doesn't become the single point of failure. 393 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,120 You can very easily add a 2FA method to your account to where 394 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:12,200 Block Stream holds a key and you hold the key as well. 395 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,960 This does not mean Blockstream can spend your funds, we just 396 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,240 offer this service as an extra challenge to whenever you want 397 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,600 to spend. So if someone finds your seat 398 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,320 phrase in your house, they also need your two FA method to be 399 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,520 able to spend. The cool thing about this is 400 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,960 after one year, Blockstream's key is no longer need to spend 401 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,080 funds. So if Blockstream were to 402 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,080 disappear for whatever reason, you could still spend with your 403 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,720 Jade after that period of time. So that's kind of the more 404 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,880 beginner multi sig, which is awesome because it's accessible 405 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,440 to everybody. There's not really much you have 406 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,760 to learn just to a fake code sent to your phone. 407 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,840 Everybody's used to that. But more generic multi sig 408 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,040 setups. If you're using Sparrow, for 409 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,840 example, a two of three, three of five, that allows you to 410 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,400 create multiple seed phrases which you can disperse 411 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,400 geographically or put them in different places and again, gets 412 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,720 rid of that single point of failure. 413 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,720 One of the main pitfalls here is people think that once you have 414 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,840 three of the five keys, then you can always spend, but that's not 415 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,720 necessarily the case. You could lose the backup file, 416 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,320 which basically tells you it's kind of the treasure map to your 417 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,800 Bitcoin vault. The three of five. 418 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,480 And you need the minimum number of signers, like a three of five 419 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,200 S, three of the five keys, and the backup file if you're gonna 420 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,320 spend just with those. So if you've lost that backup 421 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,240 file, it was on your phone, your computer, you got a new device, 422 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,680 you actually still can't spend even though you have the 423 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,840 required number of keys and block stream. 424 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,440 Jade makes this really easy because we allow you to backup 425 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,040 that file directly to the device. 426 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,920 And so as long as the block stream Jade is within your multi 427 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,840 sig QUORUM, you can restore that backup file. 428 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,680 And you can still spend with the three of five or the two of 429 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,640 three, whatever you had as the minimum number, which is really 430 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,880 cool. And I don't think everybody does 431 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,560 that. So just one extra way to make 432 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,040 sure you don't lose funds in this really cool advanced 433 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,800 feature that protects people, but it also, can, you know, 434 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,360 offer some new technical pitfalls. 435 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,920 For someone first getting started with implementing a 436 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,880 multi sig setup, do you guys have any resources on hand that 437 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,680 you could point people to and that you know? 438 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,400 What would you recommend? Yeah, we have a few help center 439 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,040 guides. Obviously it's really easy to do 440 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,640 in block stream green. You simply go to add account and 441 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,560 you pick multi sig shield, which is our kind of beginner multi 442 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,120 sig method. So that's super easy to do. 443 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,880 We also have some more generic multi sig resources on our help 444 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,680 center. And then obviously there's the 445 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,400 tutorials out there from from Ben and lots of other people 446 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,160 showing people how to, you know, walk through this. 447 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,560 So plenty of stuff out there and I can link to some things as 448 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,840 well in the chat. Yeah, please do and I'll make 449 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,680 sure to call out those links in the description post call. 450 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,480 And yeah, I think, you know, any resources you guys have is super 451 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,680 helpful. You guys have been in the space 452 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,080 for a long time, so definitely recommend reading through them. 453 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,360 Couple of other points I wanted to bring up here, but you know, 454 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,720 you know, J plus clearly, you know, places a lot of emphasis 455 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,920 on user experience. You know, we talked about the 456 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,600 larger display, talked about tactile navigation buttons, how 457 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,720 have user needs overall shaped the design of the device? 458 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,680 You know how is that evolved the form factor? 459 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,600 No one wants to take it. I'll go again, Bishak. 460 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,320 Sorry, I was on mute. Yeah. 461 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,840 So yeah, we really put community front and center. 462 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,280 And we have a pretty dedicated group of users that are always 463 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,280 very willing to send us feedback, share feedback. 464 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,920 And we invested a lot of time and effort in, you know, doing a 465 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,400 lot of qualitative research, conducted a lot of in depth user 466 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,680 interviews to kind of dive into, you know, challenges, major pain 467 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,800 points. And also did a lot of kind of 468 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,560 discovery research work on different form factors, 469 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,960 materials, textures, and, you know, along with that different 470 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,320 interaction models and, you know, different also feedback 471 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,000 mechanisms. So, yeah, through all that kind 472 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,240 of research, our community support kind of research 473 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,840 efforts, we iterated, we kept also the the process quite open. 474 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,160 And yeah, through also a very collaborative kind of work 475 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,560 across products, design, engineering and marketing, we 476 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,000 were able to land on, you know, the right form factor as well as 477 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,200 the right user experience and interaction models. 478 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Could you just curious, you know, if there were any specific 479 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,280 pain points that were common that you guys addressed with 480 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,880 this latest model? Maybe not even just, you know, 481 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,120 block stream devices, but just devices overall. 482 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,520 What are some common failure points that Yeah. 483 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000 Yeah, in the previous version, for instance, you know some of 484 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,120 the buttons scrolling deals weren't necessarily adorable. 485 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,840 You know, in our first version, we had the not scrolling deal to 486 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,200 navigate through different screens and tasks. 487 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,280 So we got some feedback over time that that wasn't 488 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,880 necessarily a durable. So we kind of went back to the 489 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,880 whole drawing board to find alternatives for how to 490 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,280 streamline that process with the right tactile buttons. 491 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,160 So we kind of replaced that scrolling wheel with buttons. 492 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,600 So that was one, another one was also, you know, along with the 493 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,240 larger screen, we wanted to make sure that we we're also paying 494 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,040 attention to accessibility, larger display, more contrast, 495 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,480 more legible kind of menu. So that was also an improvement 496 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,720 as well compared to our first version. 497 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,640 What am I missing guys? Yeah. 498 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,880 I would also say the camera was loved by people. 499 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,880 You know, we shipped with the camera, but we didn't offer the 500 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,880 QR air gap transactions until a couple years after that. 501 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,840 But we still, you know, hadn't totally thought through that in 502 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,840 the first iteration. So we had a pretty small screen 503 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,440 on the resolution wasn't able to be, you know, super high. 504 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,080 And so on this new device, we made sure to build that screen 505 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,640 out so QR codes could be displayed and captured easily by 506 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,080 a laptop camera, which is not as good quality usually. 507 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,600 And that you'll see some from some of the reviews coming out 508 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,800 that that's the first thing a lot of people say is wow, the 509 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,680 camera is amazing. They really listened on this 510 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,600 one. So I think that's a a big pain 511 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,160 point that I think we solved. It's great to hear. 512 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,360 I know we've chatted in depth about a lot of, a lot of topics 513 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,680 here. Lastly, wanted to touch on maybe 514 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,040 upcoming features. I know a couple were mentioned, 515 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,040 but any updates that you could share that would further enhance 516 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Jade plus experience, you know, or its integration with you 517 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,800 know, other tech stacks? So with the Jade Plus, we're 518 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,760 pretty pumped that there's attachments that can be attached 519 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,320 with Jade Plus. So the first attachment that I 520 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,040 mentioned earlier is called the Jade link. 521 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,040 And as I it's just a USBC storage device that allows for 522 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,160 air gap transactions and firmware upgrades. 523 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,720 We are looking at other attachments that we could bring 524 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,200 to the Jade Plus. The first being a keyboard, full 525 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,680 QWERT keyboard, right when we release it, there was more than 526 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000 one comments that said when keyboard or where keyboard and 527 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,240 we're like, well, we can make that if you want. 528 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,680 I guess we're going or not. I guess I know we're going to be 529 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,560 asking the community here shortly, what attachments should 530 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,360 we make for the Jade Plus not we're not trying to make a cop 531 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,440 out answer here, but we want to make what people want to use. 532 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,080 This is a challenge to the community. 533 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,400 Make it hard for us. Bring it on. 534 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,640 Awesome guys. Well, want to open up the floor, 535 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,920 maybe potentially anything I didn't ask that might be worthy 536 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,280 of sharing with the audience. And then to close things out, 537 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,640 you know, we'd like to hear from each one of you, you know, what 538 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240 you're most excited about in terms of, you know, Bitcoin 539 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,840 developments upcoming this year. I know you guys are sponsoring 540 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,360 Bitcoin 2025 later this may, So maybe any you know, insights 541 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,880 into potential announcements that block stream may or may not 542 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,280 have made yet as well? Well, at our booth, everyone 543 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,000 should stop on by. There's going to be a lot of 544 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,120 block streamers there and we love to shake people's hands, 545 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,920 hear what you have to say, or just talk generally about 546 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,520 Bitcoin. As for the Jade Plus at Bitcoin 547 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,520 2025, you should definitely stop by. 548 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,360 There's going to be, we're working on something cool that 549 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,800 we could do with the Jade Plus to make them a little more 550 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280 customized, but we can't give away all of our cards right now. 551 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,840 Reach for shock. Any closing thoughts here? 552 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,720 Maybe we can also kind of have a quick kind of sneak peek, add 553 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,040 potential new accessories that we are planning to add to the 554 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,320 mix to kind of enhance some of the tasks. 555 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,320 But let's kind of keep it a bit mysterious at this point. 556 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240 Yeah, I think it's going to be a big year for self custody. 557 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,680 You see a lot of cool platforms that Jade's integrated with 558 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,080 Nunchuck doing some multi sig Taproot things. 559 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,480 You have all the mini script platforms out there, Anchor 560 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,760 Watch with their insurance, insurance platforms. 561 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,400 So a lot of awesome financial use cases being built on 562 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,320 Bitcoin, and I think we're just going to have even more this 563 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,080 year. So excited to make sure Jade is 564 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,320 integrated with each and every one of them. 565 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,760 Awesome. Well, Rich Bashak, Drew, I 566 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,320 really appreciate the time today. 567 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000 For anybody tuning in late, this basis was recorded, so it'll be 568 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720 available immediately here on X at the conclusion of the space. 569 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,880 And then we'll also make sure to upload on wherever you guys 570 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,560 catch your podcasts, Spotify, Apple, all the such. 571 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,000 Make sure to check out their device link up here in the Nest 572 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,720 and make sure to only buy from block stream as well. 573 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,600 Avoid third party vendors like Amazon. 574 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Don't want to get scammed on those ends. 575 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,200 Thank you everybody. Hope you guys had a great 576 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520 morning. Thanks all. 577 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,520 Appreciate it. 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