I'm very, very excited to introduce none other than BTC
sessions, who has his own YouTube channel.
Many of you who are familiar with him, myself included.
Consider him. Probably my favorite teacher in
the Bitcoin space and I'm truly honored that you take the time
to Grace us with your presence, man.
How are you doing, dude? I'm great.
I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
Always love, chatting with you and pee and, and shout out to
seek a, who was just on that? Dude is a legend, love them.
And Even having a good time having a good summer.
Yeah, that. So what I really talk to you, I
mean, you are best known for writing, you know, the BTC
sessions YouTube channel, which I had a moment of the weekend
where it kind of clicked in my head.
It's like, oh sessions, like, you know, Class B, TC, the
classes. Okay, got it, got it.
Yes, I only just had this realization like three days ago
so but Like, let's talk a little bit about first.
Look, what inspired you to really go down this path.
I know you very famously talked about how like you were offered
a few Bitcoin to live off of in 2013.
I believe kind of regretting actually spending that Bitcoin
now, but like what really sets you on this path to be the
resident teacher in the Bitcoin space?
So I think it kind of came from a place of necessity for myself.
In terms of when I started learning about Bitcoin, I'm a
pretty visual learner. So I was looking, I was actively
searching for visual Guides of how to do stuff and I could not
find any it's really there, you know, in and around 2014, there
just wasn't a whole lot. That could help me through some
of the stuff than I needed. Do it would often be like, yo go
to this message board and there's some comments halfway
down that kind of explain or here's like go to the GitHub and
there is there's an explanation there and just stuff that I I
found more difficult to parse through.
If I was lucky enough to find something that had screenshots
and examples it was better but more or less ice.
I end up spending two years kind of trying to parse through
everything myself. A fan in a variety of different
aspects and once I got comfortable with it, I figured
I'd just make the thing that I had been looking for so that I
could at least help a few people avoid having to dig as deeply as
I did for all that type of stuff.
And so I started in 2016, I started the channel actually.
Just hit the six-year birthday of the channel this past month.
So yeah. So it's like is congrats
brother. Thanks man.
Yeah, so it's been going for six years.
Yeah, I started doing you know, I figured I'd just do a video
once a week on whatever I felt like covering and then I didn't
stop and I increased the frequency of videos.
So here we are six years later. What was the first video?
The first video, the very first one other than like an initial
intro of what the channel is going to be.
I believe was either like a basic Bitcoin Mobile wallet and
I can't recall which it might have been copay which was like a
bit Pay multisig Mobile Wallet. That could also be single Sig or
it might have been a Bitcoin ATM.
How to use one? Those were two of the First
videos that I ever did. I've since, you know, migrated
to plenty of other options. But yeah, those are those would
have been the first couple. So let's let's talk a little bit
because I think what you have afforded people the opportunity
to have if they go out and seek it is you know we talk a lot
about self custody. This is self-education you talk
about how you went down this Rabbit Hole.
It was painful and you didn't want other people to kind of go
through that. I feel like you know there are a
lot of channels that have now since practically replicated,
what you try to do, how how important is Self-education on
this path of self sovereignty. I think it's so important
because I mean, you don't know what?
You don't know, right? And and so many people, they put
off the personal responsibility of gaining that knowledge and
they just defer to somebody else there.
So much of of what Bitcoin was built for people completely
ignore by by Some money into an exchange and leaving it.
There was like the worst thing you could do, it's the
antithesis of what Bitcoin was built for.
And the only way to get around that is to start learning and
take that first step. I know it's it can be scary but
you can you can start learning and taking those first steps
yourself now or potentially learn, a very expensive lesson
later on down the line as we've seen in droves.
Not just this year. Sure.
But over the past decade, it's littered with examples and
stories of people who thought their money was safe with other
people and just to realize that no it's going to be Frozen.
No they're insolvent. Knows okrug pull it.
You know name it. You got it.
It's all happened before and that's why I self custody.
It's it's kind of a its Completely inverse to what we've
learned through our entire lives of.
Oh, put your money in the bank. It's the safest place for it and
in Fiat world, that's just what we learned.
But, and it seems counterintuitive, but the way
the Bitcoin is designed, it's, it's as difficult to try and get
the keys of and an individual across the world, as it is to
try and get the keys or or hack an extreme Exchange.
The amount of effort put forth is similar.
And so when you've got a Honeypot of everyone's money,
that's much more of a Target on your back, then, self
sovereignty and holding your own keys.
So yeah. But you do a lot more than just,
you know, self sovereignty, what are, what are sort of the themes
that you like to explore? And what are across the
Spectrum. I want our other than just
custody other than setting up your wallets.
Yeah, I mean, I think other than the, the nitty-gritty of just,
how do I get a wall? How do I secure my coins?
I like diving into and I mean, this is still kind of down the
vein. In of tutorials but the idea of
running a Bitcoin node of don't trust verify of being able to
host an entire copy of the Bitcoin blockchain, all of the
history of transactions that have ever existed and the rules
that govern the network and making yourself resistant to
someone trying to co-op the network.
I think that's an important one and that's one that became
particularly important to me in 2017 watching the block size
Wars and watching a large number.
Of, you know, 80% of the hash rate.
And, you know, some of the top companies, 50 of the top
companies in the space, all say, we're going to change the pic
change the Bitcoin protocol and install our own deaths.
And to see that fail in particular because people said
nah we're going to run our own notes.
I think that's that's a huge win for Bitcoin and I think it's
important that people learn that and learn how to partake in that
if they see fit. Not everybody has to run a note
but I think it's It's very important that they can if they
choose to. So trying to put forth stuff
like that, trying to show different privacy tools that
people can use and not people have people be frightened of
them, you know, that's that's been part of my journey
especially this year kind of learning more in the Privacy
realm and then again, kind of a separation of money and state I
think is very important and having censorship Money is
incredibly important, which obviously, you guys have been
touching on bitcoin Magazine with this last issue drop.
So yeah, those are kind of the key tenants that I gravitate
towards, I love it. The I want to ask you about just
the specific process. You go through.
I'm so curious because your videos are so comprehensive and
there are, you know, you go through edit them.
How long does it take you from, you know, idea to shooting to
releasing a video? In terms of all of steps that
are required. Yeah, so it depends on what I'm
doing so that the tutorials can vary, I've kind of fallen into a
schedule where, you know, I do a couple live videos every week.
So I do a Thursday news show. Just kind of recapping what
happened over the past week. I do a Friday panel show called
why are we bullish where people come on with a different topics
that they're excited about in Bitcoin currently?
And those ones, you know, it's just kind of Up through the day,
do the live show and that's it. So, they're just encapsulated in
a single day but the tutorials really can really can vary
depending on what I'm covering. So if it's a simple wallet
tutorial or something like that, my flow will typically be, you
know, all Tinker with it a little bit, kind of learn my way
around the app. Then I'll write a flow of okay,
what am I going to cover first? All the way through so setup and
so and so forth, give myself jot notes and then I'll just start
Recording bit by bit, you know, intro, prerequisite
prerequisites. You may need set up, all that
kind of stuff will go through it.
All edit it all together. You've got to do thumbnails, you
got to do descriptions, you got to upload it, and share it, and
do all of that stuff. If it's a simple topic, I can
get one of those out in a single day, if it's a more complicated
topic. So one of the more recent ones
that I did is I wanted to do the most Up tutorial on the cold
card wallet that I possibly could do that.
Anybody has put on the internet so far.
So knk for right? Yes, on the MK4.
Yeah. So that one it took me a day of
experimenting with all of the features.
I was already familiar with how a cold card Works obviously
because I use it a lot but a lot of the advanced features I just
hadn't tinkered with yet so it was like a day of messing around
with that followed by a day of just shooting all of Of the
different pieces and that flowed into another day of finishing
that up, editing it all together and getting aligned.
So that was a full three days and, like, long days, not eight
hours by like, you know, it was getting into the evening and my
wife's, like, it's dinner and I have children that I need help
with, and it's like, I'm so sorry.
I just this one too bad. Yeah, this is, this one's a
tough one? So yeah.
So I mean, she's very forgiving when When I get into something
that's a little bit more in-depth and it takes a little
bit more time, but yeah, that was, you know, they're like 10
12 hour days in there, for three days straight to get that one
out. So yeah, it varies.
But that's why I kind of have that flex room in there.
Monday through Wednesday is, like, somewhere in there are
tutorials getting done. It's just a question of how long
that takes? I love it.
What is your your favorite feature of the new coal card?
I have not had the privilege of playing around with one yet.
Okay, so there's a number of Of things.
So the virtual disk thing is pretty cool.
So I didn't understand what that even did.
So virtual disk mode typically when you using your cold card,
your are gapping it. So meaning you don't plug it
into your computer or phone or anything, it's all you just
power it separately and then you have your whatever third-party
interface you're using. So in my case, Sparrow wallet on
your desktop, you set up the transaction there.
You save it to an SD card, put in the cold card to approve it,
and then bring it back signed to broadcast it with the virtual
disk mode. You basically have a minidisc on
the cold card itself so it loads up as if it was a thumb drive so
you can plug it into your computer.
Not as secure as fully are gapping it.
However, you use the virtual disk to bring over the data from
the actions. And this is different from
having Sparrow or whatever wallet you are using actually
interface with the cold card, because when you do that, when
you just plug it in and you say that you want to send it with
sparrow and then you approve it on the cold card and it just
it's communicating with the wallet what you're technically
doing is you're giving that wallet control over the device
which you don't know exactly how it's going to do that.
Whereas, with this Actually, you're still doing the same flow
that I described with are gapping and you're pulling it on
to that virtual disk approving, it pulling the sign transaction
off and uploading it. So I think that's a really cool
thing. B is in the process of being
added to Blue wallet. So that's going to be huge.
I'm going to be very excited to play with that, but it's not out
yet. So video incoming, whenever that
drops but then other stuff like the, the trick pins on it.
So anybody who's played with a cold card before, Or you can
have like a duress pin or a brick me pin, so you put in a
pin and it would kill the whole device kind of thing.
As a security mechanism. The way they've done it, with
the mark for is you get the versatility of saying, if this
pin is entered, then this Behavior will happen.
And you can customize that, however, you want, if this pin
is put in, I'll go to my duress wallet, with a decoy amount of
money. If this pin is put in, I Wipe
the seed, if this pin is put in the device gets bricked, if this
pin is put in device will freeze for one hour so you can really
customize it to do whatever the hell you want it to do which is
amazing versatility, that's awesome man.
Yeah I can't wait to get one so stuck with my MK3 still works
fine though. The MK3 has all of you know the
like they're adding in a lot of those pin features to the MK3
and and it's they're more or less.
Their flow is a little bit different but I just did a
workshop in Vancouver on the cold card and some had the for
and some head of the three and more or less they could do all
the same things. The main differences were the
virtual disk and NFC of which we I mentioned, but we didn't fully
cover. We mostly got the basics of how
to use it and it's still MK3 holds up big time.
I do love the virtual disk functionality and even realize,
that was a feature. That sounds extremely handy.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Love it. You look like you're about to
say something at some point during the now.
Okay. So One thing that I'm curious
about as well is how is the progression of your your
tutorials gone over time. Like what our thing, what are
sort of the biggest step improvements that you feel like
you made over the course of your show?
Because frankly, I haven't watched the earliest ones but I
feel like it was just like you came out of the gate and it was
like, high-quality high-value stuff.
Well, I appreciate that, but that definitely wasn't the case.
So you're calling me a liar. I see here.
Yes. I'm saying you're a dog face.
What's the? What's the go?
Pony face or space liar something like I don't even
know, but whatever it was anyways.
Okay, so I'd say it took me a lot longer to get my tutorials
out back. Then, I also wasn't as clear and
a lot of my messaging. I think one issue that I've had
over time is You do so many of these things that you get a
little bit into the habit of glossing over things that I used
to clarify every single time. So like, oh this is, you know,
write down your backup and so many be like, what's The
Back-up? Why do I need to write it down?
Why is that important? What are these were like all of
those little things where if it's a basic wallet tutorial,
then you gotta go back and be like, who's likely watching this
and still throw it in just in case regardless, I think The way
in which I film, you know, like being able to have like, screen
shares and multiple screens and everything, the editing process
a lot easier. It's mostly efficiency on the
back end of what I'm actually doing and how quickly I can put
things together, but the other main benefit is with six years
of tutorial sitting there, I can be like hey if you're dealing
with this if you're using this particular tutorial, here are
some prerequisites that you're going to want to.
Uno. And I've got videos for all of
those. And so, if rather than starting
here, if you're confused about the following concepts, go to
these other videos, linked down below first and then come back
here and that's just something that you can't do when you start
a channel, very difficult. Whereas now I can be like, hey I
have all of the other steps that you need to get to where this
video is starting from. So go there first.
I think you mean you could you could just like make stuff up.
You could just be like I go check out this awesome video.
I did. And then just, there's no link
to it every exist. Yeah, I'll try not to do that.
Som sometimes though, I've said, oh, link to this is down below.
Go check out that other video and then the comments are like,
where, where is it? So yeah, people have to do some
manual searching, but it's always there somewhere.
Very cool. I had another, I didn't great
question. I was gonna ask you, it's gone
like tears in the rain. I know it was what so what are
some of the questions like asking?
But what are some of the technologies that you were most
excited about or things that are being developed in Bitcoin right
now? I think so.
I've been interested in a lot of the Privacy stuff lately.
I think I've said this to a few people, but I'm kind of viewing
privacy. The way that we viewed scaling
back in early 2017, but I think we're better off than we were
four. Privacy Now versus for scaling
and 2017. And what I mean by that is
beginning in 2017, scaling, And transactions per second were
like top of mind for everyone. You know, how we're going to
scale this thing. How are people going to use it
without fees getting insane? So on and so forth, we had
nothing yet by. Now, five years later, we scale
down chain, so we got segue it. There's a whole bunch of other
efficiencies that are on chain as well.
When it comes to things like Taproot and soon, eventually,
schnoor, signatures, all that kind of stuff that basically,
and not to mention people to using Bitcoin more Oh,
efficiently, all of the exchanges are batching
transactions now so on and so forth.
So we've scaled massively on the base layer but beyond that we
have the lightning Network, which literally did not exist at
that point in time. And now I use lightning daily on
top of that, it's very easy for anybody to on board to
lightning. Now, like, literally download
Moon wallet, send a regular Bitcoin transaction to it.
Congratulations. You can.
Now use all those funds on the lightning Network and so moon is
Mu you. And by the way, You're looking
for it I say everything. Yeah you got to say it, but I
think that the amount of innovation that we saw in
scaling when it was top of Mind as of 2017 to now is going to be
happening in and around privacy because it's top of mind for so
many people now is privacy, and I think that we're in a much
better place because we already have so many privacy tools.
Available now, is it the Easiest thing to utilize those privacy
tools. Not necessarily but there's a
plethora of them out there and they're only going to improve
from here. So you know you've got you can
do coin joints, right? Sparrow wallet, has it all built
in. You can coin join X number of
rounds and then mix directly into your Hardware wallet for
safekeeping. That's amazing, you've got, you
know, much better, default privacy guarantees on Lightning,
not perfect, but definitely way better.
And so you can enjoy a reasonable amount of To see just
using lightning transactional, some.
I definitely know that from experience beyond that
everything on that. Yeah.
Cryptic, you know, and then and then and it's not everybody's
cup of tea, but you have side chains, things like liquid
Network, where they have confidential transactions, which
Shields not only the amount being sent, but the asset being
dealt with. So all you see is that a
transaction took place and that's it.
There's plenty of cool things. There's also now I'm forgetting
the name of it. There's something called Mercury
wallet and Uses, why am I forgetting it?
Now I'm literally going to look it up right now uses what is
known as state chains? There we go.
Oh yeah. And that's basically trading UT
EXO's. With people basically trading
the keys to UT EXO's without the ability of somebody to spend
using your key. Once they get it this, there's
some stuff going on in the background there.
But basically there's no indication that any transaction
has taken place in the blockchain, but you now own
different and You can do this right now.
So you can download Mercury wallet and and start using State
chains right now and it's for a specific denominated amount so
you'd have like a million SATs or something and you effectively
trade the keys to those SATs with somebody else and and then
you go off on your Merry way withdraw to another wallet and
now you have an entirely different you txo and nobody
even knew that, that transaction took place, so amazing things
being done and I Can Only Imagine Imagine five years from
now. How much cool stuff there's
going to be. Yeah.
Yeah, stations are very cool Mercury while is awesome.
I also excited about feta mint and, you know, we've been
talking about that a lot lately with the news that just came
out, but super excited to see where that goes.
And I think it's going to be a game changer in terms of helping
people in in less affluent areas who are not exposed to bitcoin
with John. I don't have the time to really
sink their teeth into it, to be able to offload some of that
onto, you know, a trusted group of Guardians that already exists
people. You already trust, whether it's
your community leaders or members of your church, or your
whatever it is. I think that's a really cool
Innovation and I have to dive deeper into filaments.
I've just, I've just kind of had a cursory like, hey, this is
more or less, how they function, but I've got a I've got to go
read the documentation and get deeper down, but this is what I
mean, like this is kind of information.
It's kind of been Cham, Cham me and mit's has been a thing
that's been around for a while, but Has been front of mine for a
lot of people. And so now, I see lots of
information about this dropping. And again, just another another
tool in the Bitcoin tool belt, and, and people will have
different risk profiles for different things and different
preferences. But the fact that we have
options out there is incredible. Yeah, and just, for the
audience, what we're talking about is the mint, which is the
same thing as an abbreviation for Federated Chow.
Me and mints open wasu, and Eric Syrian, and Justin Moon.
Also just launched a company called fetty which is building
on a wallet that focuses on this o is there's great coverage out
there Obie's written a couple of articles for Bitcoin magazine a
to that came out or there's one that just came out yesterday.
So I'll put that link in the chat again and you guys can
check it out. Then I I saw you at Bitcoin 2021
and you had like something covering your hair because I
feel like and I think we talked about it when you were like,
yeah, bro, this hair. I mean, it looks fly as fuck,
but he's a liability because I can't go anywhere.
Without people being like, yo, it's been and I can only imagine
like what happens, like, because you can never change your
hairstyle. This point, right?
Like, yeah, it's locked in, its locked in this is, you know,
it's, there's a time lock on it and it expires when I disappear
from Bitcoin, from I feel you on that, though.
Like I, yeah, you would be very easily identifiable in a crowd
as well. I think there's a handful of
people that experience that that only on the topic of hair and
we'll keep this super brief, but this hair is like new thing for
me. This is like a year old top.
So like when I go to people from my past lives, they do not
recognize me and honestly, I fucking love it.
It is Great. It's it's funny yappy.
You're saying that you saw me like cover my typically I don't
I don't care because it's it's amazing when somebody comes up
and they're like, yo, I use that tutorial and I'm running a node.
Now that's some of the most flattering stuff I've ever
encountered. And that's, it's incredible.
The only a, the only time I've ever liked, put something on my
head is when I had to get from one place to another very, very
quickly for something important. It's not It was, by the way, you
came, you be lined like straight for the bar to get like a bottle
of water or something, and then you like, went straight back.
I think it was like the, you know, like the swan do at that
point to like it and you were recording a podcast or
something. But it was, I saw you.
And I was like, and I was like, Nana, he's a man on a mission.
I also feel like it's like, you know, like an in movies where
somebody like, they're a superhero.
They like, put the yellow mask on and nobody recognizes them,
you know, I've or they take you, no soup, Superman take the
glasses off, I feel like the same thing.
You take your hair off and you just be like, immediately
completely anonymous. Dude it worked.
It worked even at Bitcoin 2022 are there is a couple buddies of
mine down and we're like, okay, well at one point we're going to
have lunch and then I met up with them in The Concourse there
and we're like okay let's go to, let's go to the camera was
called but yeah we're going to go up to the place, we're going
to grab some food and it's a lot need a big venue.
So it was a long walk and we're stopping like every minute The
Have and my friend was like, dude, Put that shit on your head
and we'll walk. So, I literally just what I took
like, I went to a one of the booths and ask for a free shirt
of whatever vendor it was and I just wrapped it over my head and
then we made it there in record time.
It was great. Yeah, I was surprised because I
was like, no way. This is actually going to end
yet. No, it's without without the
beacon going. It appears that I can move
freely. So again, when when I eventually
Fade Into the background when When Bitcoin education is no
longer needed. I can just buzz buzz, my head
and nobody will ever recognize me again.
It's a gift, it's a curse. You, it's a question.
I know you want to ask everyone. So then our PTC.
You do an incredible credible job of, you know, teaching
people how to really understand and use Bitcoin.
I however, I'm curious what your opinion is on the idea of the
80/20 Principle, as a relates to Bitcoin in its understandings
today. Most people couldn't tell you
how when they start their car, flip a light switch, how that
actually is what the process behind that is doing.
Is there a point when we reach a high per Bitcoin eyes world?
Where not everyone is going to both know and understand Bitcoin
or will it be necessary? Is that a realistic outcome in
your opinion? Or is that actually a dangerous
outcome? I think that's an eventuality,
right? Like you're going to get to the
point where people obviously do not understand the underlying
infrastructure that's already largely the case.
Somebody can somebody can go to an exchange by some Bitcoin and
if they're if they're actually self costing, they can download
a wallet back it up and no problem.
They don't need to understand what's actually happening there.
They they've taken self. They're they're totally fine.
I think it's important that, you know, a critical mass of people
have an understanding of the infrastructure and I like this
kind of Hardline, you know, maximally self Sovereign group
of people that keep on pushing for everyone to step outside
their comfort zone towards that. And I think that's going to
continue to be needed. And the most important part
again, is that, it's always, Accessible to all if someone
chooses to do it. I love the development in and
around easy, Plug and Play nodes.
I think that's super important. Now, it can that be.
If everybody runs the exact same implementation, can that be a
liability? Absolutely, but it beats!
Nobody running nose in the first place, so I think that what
you're getting at is As more and more of the world uses Bitcoin,
there's a number of things and a lot number of services that by
Design become obsolete in their very nature.
Exchanges is one of them right in a world, where Bitcoin is the
currency. Why do you need an exchange to
get out of dollars? I mean, our I already don't
technically need an exchange to get Bitcoin, iron Bitcoin that
As a living. And so that for me, that on-ramp
on-ramp companies are already obsolete in a sense.
Now, I still need the off-ramp in, in companies that bridge the
gap, so that I can pay bills, where I can't pay Bitcoin
directly, so, and so forth. But more and more of those
things are going to go away. And people won't necessarily
understand what's going on in the background much, like they
didn't understand what was going on in the background when we
change from phone. Us via phone lines and
switchboards to VoIP, right? Like nobody really understood
what happened in the background. All of a sudden, their phone
calls, just got a lot better quality and a lot cheaper.
And so, I think that's kind of the direction.
We'll head with Bitcoin less and less people will understand
exactly what's going on. But my hope is that they will
understand why it's better money.
And hopefully they'll understand why it's exceeded historically
versus gold ore. At least, like a core group of
people. Educating people on money, will
be able to explain like, hey, we had a pretty good sound money
before but it failed because of its physicality which led to
centralization of ownership and easy confiscation.
I hope that that becomes a Mainstay of financial education
in the future and my I think it's starting to be so but we
will see as long as long as that message get through guess
through, I think we'll be okay. I won't lie.
I was lucky it other tabs. Sorry.
I like this idea though that while no, they won't understand
Bitcoin and the technology behind it, because there will be
so many offerings to make the user experience easier there is.
Maybe with a little bit of hope. You've injected this necessity
to understand why at least Bitcoin is better than the Fiat,
we have or the gold we have what would be your just obviously
we've all we all have sort of our go-to.
I like to call them up. My six Pokémon to pull out of my
little Satchel. Anytime I talk about Bitcoin to
Anam Bitcoin or what are some of the your go-to quick-hit
arguments to why Bitcoin versus anything else.
Are you are you talking about Fiat or are you talking about
also I'll make it, I'll actually separate it out.
What is your go-to for your coin first Fiat?
Bitcoin bruise, gold Bitcoin verse any shit coin.
Okay. All right, so I mean verse Fiat,
simple question. Well, how many how many dollars
exist, how many dollars will exist next year?
How many dollars will exist in 10 years?
Do you have a say in that? Do you actually Hold your money,
probably nonce. Probably in a bank account.
What happens if the bank account tells you you can't have it
anymore? What kind of recourse do you
have all those types of arguments are pretty simple?
And I mean again Canada leading example this year of people that
were doing something legal until it was deemed, not at the drop
of a hat and all of a sudden found that Legacy Finance had
failed them because they didn't have access to their money.
And you can see this in you know, name your political All
dissident situation anywhere in the globe and you'll see parts
of that you can also point to hyperinflation.
You can point to the fact that humans are notoriously bad.
When when showing the opportunity to print more money,
they're going to do it. They're going to debase the
currency even if they don't do it with malice and mind, it ends
up not helping people. So there's that Bitcoin versus
gold kind of what I alluded to earlier the physicality of it
was its Achilles heel, right? It It resulted in deferring to
custodians. It was difficult to transport
over long distances. Yeah held its value over long
periods of time but the distance thing resulted in needing to
create needing to create kind of derivative money paper that you
would move around that represented bits of gold, so on
and so forth. So the divisibility thing was a
little bit more difficult and in the end when you create a, a
money on gold that It is linked to Gold that link can be broken
because it's not a it's not an immutable link.
So when you know, somebody like Peter Schiff says, well if we
had a crypto that was linked to Gold.
It's a terrible idea because dude, you just watch that play
out in 1971 and that's exactly how it will play out again.
So yeah, when it comes to bitcoin versus all other coins
Bitcoin has such a unique Early stage because nobody really
understood that value could even be had there and because of that
it was given free rein to grow that first few years uncorrupted
and that's something that hasn't really been afforded to others.
And at this point the the ability to change the base
protocol of Bitcoin in a non backwards.
Compatible way is more or less out the window, unless it was
like a zero day. Everybody get on board.
And and change this now, or the whole project is dead.
If you want to put in an arbitrary changes to bitcoin,
it's very difficult to get consensus on that.
And that's the feature that we want because we want to be sure
that our money is sound that it's immutable that it's
censorship resistant and when you can willy-nilly change
things, then it, those promises of a sound censorship resistant,
Global mutable money are called into question and so, yeah.
I mean, that's my, that's my quick run through all of all
shit coins everywhere. I kind of view it as, you know,
gold was would have been good if it wasn't for the
transferability and divisibility thing over large, large spaces,
but I mean, Fiat is one entity can print money.
Crypto is everyone can print money.
Bitcoin is no one can print money.
I like that. Like that.
And then, so What happens when someone says to you something to
the vein of? Well it just doesn't matter.
I don't I don't care to learn it is.
Are these the lost souls that will be forgotten in the Bitcoin
standard future or are these. The people.
We actually have to spend a little extra time, helping a
drag out. I don't think they'll be
forever. Lost souls.
They'll be, they'll be the last holdouts will be the ones that
are hurt. Most immeasurably.
Buy it because they'll be the ones clinging to Alternatives
that don't protect their wealth and their self sovereignty.
But Eventually out of necessity, they'll have to use something
like Bitcoin in a hyper Bitcoin eyes world and as soon as they
start doing that, they will benefit.
They'll just benefit less than people who are earlier benefited
before them. But as soon as they get on that
standard and they start earning Bitcoin for a living and saving
it changes their habits, it changes the way they look at the
world and every sat that they earn and save will always
represent the same percentage of the Monetary base, moving
forward in perpetuity, there's no debasing it.
If you save a hundred sacks, then that will be the same
percentage of all Bitcoin forever.
So I think I think that's incredible and whereas nowadays,
if your bank account showed your percentage of total dollars,
that number will continue to go down in perpetuity unless
you're, you know, a can't illionaire and you're able to be
closest to the money spigot. That's, that's pretty much how
it goes now. A days.
I really hope they're not lost souls.
They'll be alright like it again in the end once once they're on
that Bitcoin standard they'll begin to benefit I think.
Yeah, the there can be a lot of pain in between there though.
So how much do you like when people say it's impossible for
everyone to run a note in their home?
Do you just send them one of your videos with, with a little
note saying at one point, someone also said it was going
to be impossible for everyone have a Down in their own home.
Yeah, I mean it's it's it's definitely not impossible,
right? It's it's there's parts of the
world. Yes.
Words it would be incredibly difficult to run a node when it
comes to connectivity and all that kind of stuff or just cost
of Hardware. If you want to run a dedicated
machine or based on where you are but it's not everybody has
to run a node, it's just important that they have the
option so you may see instances where there's a node being run
for our community and people can point their wallets too.
At that particular node, if they want to and and beyond that,
like the cost of Hardware is coming down, the bandwidth
issues are becoming a thing of the past.
It's getting to the point now where I'm not sure how many
hundred hundreds of gigabytes the Bitcoin blockchain is but
like you're getting thumb drives, not thumb drives, but
like micro SD cards that are like four terabytes.
Right? So so it's it's going to become
less expensive. To run a note of each use to
over time and eventually it'll probably be pretty feasible to
have one on a phone like my phone right now is 128
gigabytes. And there's definitely phones
that have more space than that and you can add an SD cards to
them that are whatever size you please.
So yeah. Like it's becoming more and more
feasible that you'll be able to run a Bitcoin node on the Fly.
And I mean that's inherent a Bitcoins design, that's why
there's been This kind of guarding of the block size limit
of trying to limit the amount of data that's being parsed every
10 minutes. Because if you kind of leave
that door wide open, then it can be come prohibitively expensive,
either technologically or actually monetarily to run and
maintain a node. And we shouldn't you seen the
perfect example. Is Bitcoin SV because even
exchanges that hosted and like, bought and sold Bitcoin as V are
Like, we can't do this anymore. We can't even run the node,
dude. Like it's like terabytes and
terabytes of data of just like spam transactions.
To be like, look how many transactions we can do.
So it's it's a losing battle and they've kind of proven that just
in trying to show how much they can scale.
They've shown how impossible it is to scale in that manner.
So yeah. This will be fun.
This will be a really fun battle type or Bitcoin ization.
What does that mean to you though?
Like what does a hyper big quantizer world look like?
What is hyper bit? Quantization mean.
I think it's just when we get to a place where en masse people
are deciding to use Bitcoin over their local currency.
I think there will be some pain in the interim.
When that happens, right? It's an entire world running for
the exit. That's not a clean transition.
I don't I'm not sure exactly. In a world where that plays out
how it plays out because I'd like to hope there's some
semblance of an orderly transition.
We're not too many people get hurt and perhaps that could be
mildly achieved by countries, beginning to use it as a reserve
assets, backing their currencies.
So and so forth. Maybe that could be an instance
where that happens. But I think it's going to be a
little bit more of a quick like oh my God, you know, big More
and more countries are using as a reserve, asset, more and more
people don't want to hold dollars and Lira, and whatever
other currencies. And so they're dumping them, I
think there'd be some some degree of chaos and Forex
markets and things like that. But once that transition is
transition is complete. Well, the Things become
infinitely better in my opinion, you know, people can simply
learn a skill. And capitalize on it and learn
from it and they don't have to become a professional investor.
They can simply earn and save and like magic, their money will
still work and continue to work and preserve its value into
retirement and likely appreciate in value, depending on
population and and human Ingenuity.
It's very likely that your savings will just have a gradual
deflation to them. And I think that's a beautiful
thing in terms of what infrastructure and stuff like
that. That looks like I think they'll
be they'll still be services in and around pulling and and like,
quote, unquote traditional Finance, those types of things
like in terms of loans, and people are going to want to
start businesses and take loans, but I think what ends up
happening there. As we've seen there, you can't.
You can't print away the risk with Bitcoin and so that makes
people look at risk very differently.
You know, am I going to lend my Bitcoin to somebody for a few
percent with risk of a total loss?
No more likely, it'll be people that have direct relationships
with people that are creating businesses that say like, hey,
you know, I think you have a good business there.
Maybe I want to have a part of it and you know all extend a
loan that way but I think risk is going to be completely
repriced in a Bitcoin only world and people will still invest in
things, but it will just be a much more calculated decision.
It's not going to be people saying, well, gee, I get my
paycheck and I know for a fact, I can't just save that.
So I guess I'll toss it into whatever fund.
My banker tells me too. I have no idea what I own not.
Do what companies or funds or whatever are in this shit mix
that I have in my portfolio. I'm just told that I should
expect to be able to retire on it and that's good enough for
me. We won't have that will have
people who save their money and then people that want to take
some risk and invest some of their money.
And I think that's a much better and more sustainable world.
Will I'm not trying to be at the household to say like this but
like what role will people like you who are educating have in a
hyper Bitcoin, I just world. I hope to be obsolete, to be
honest. Like I I think that the channel
begins to disappear when most people get how to create a
wallet. When people know how to secure
their Bitcoin themselves. Yeah, I don't know.
I think that I become less and less necessary and I think
that's a great thing. That's kind of the goal, right?
Like I don't want to constantly have to re-educate people on
things. I My Hope Is that they'll get
educated and they'll start to learn about how Bitcoin works
and then a lot of the stuff will become more and more intuitive
over time so and I am still here.
Sorry my camera just crapped out there.
But regardless, I want people to be able to learn this stuff and
be able to be able to continue on their own education.
I don't think I'll be super necessary in maybe a decade but
perhaps, perhaps, I might be a little necessary if there's a
ton of other Innovation and apps and different things that you
can do in and around because I so I could be wrong.
We'll see if it's necessary and there's a ton of other tools
that people don't intuitively know how to use in a decade's
Time. The maybe I'll be here with a
gray streak in my hair instead. Still teaching plebs how to use
the next thing for Bitcoin will see.
So I want to shift topics lightly, you had some pretty
interesting experiences to say the least around the protests
that happened in Canada. Can you take us through at a
high level sort of your involvement?
What happened? And really the question that I
want to ask you is, how did that change your perception of
Bitcoin and where we are sort of in this process of Bitcoin
Bitcoin. Becoming a much larger thing for
more people. Yeah.
So yeah, the, the beginning of this year was a tough one and it
kind of came at me pretty fast but so the long and the short of
it is the the trucker protest basically began to materialize
when a number of people basically we're told like you
don't have body. Autonomy.
And if you choose not to get vaccinated, then as as truckers
you no longer allowed to cross the American Border back and
forth and so they're basically lost their livelihoods but that
also extended to even people traveling domestically so any
Canadian that wasn't vaccinated couldn't get on a plane, a
train, a boat, any sort of domestic travel and, and more or
less that that has remained it. Had remained for extended
periods of Of time. Like up to recently, I don't
even know what the current what are what our current regulations
are. Now I believe they've lessened a
little bit but like even up until last month as a Canadian
you still couldn't even get on a local flight but you could go to
a hockey game with 20,000 people, side by side without a
mask and it was totally fine. So, and is, that's kind of the
context around the craziness of some of these these restrictions
where people lost their livelihood.
Couldn't leave the country if they didn't like it either,
right? So the, you know, people will
say, oh, if you don't like it, leave, well there was no option
because our only land border was the US and you needed to be
vaccinated to cross it and you could.
So you could then couldn't get on a plane to fly to any country
that didn't have restrictions. So that's kind of where where
things were at. So there is this ended up being
the largest protest in Canadian history and all these truckers
converged on Ottowa our nation's capital on and effectively.
What happened was? There were a couple guys in and
around Ottawa, when was BJ dichter.
One of the organizers of the of the Convoy itself.
And then there was Nick, a, nobody Caribou a Bitcoin to that
was in Ottowa supporting the truckers and doing some Bitcoin
things, they're both of them. I believe both of them had
previously posted just Bitcoin addresses on Twitter or just
raising a little bit of money. Things kind of got some
traction. Greg Foss, had spoken with Nick
and I believe BJ previously. And then on Twitter reached To
me and said, hey, is there any way we could accept lightning
donations on this? I said, sure I could probably
figure that out and I ended up creating a couple things.
One was a donation page on tally coin, that would accept on chain
donations and lightning donations to, my Bitcoin note.
The second was I created a Twitter handle called Hong Kong
coddle and kind of started posting there that hey, this is
a donation page and then I began coordinating with With Nick, BJ
Craig Foss and Jeff Booth was another person that was involved
here and we created a multisig. While it between all of us
started, migrating funds that went through the donations to
that multisig wallet just to prevent loss of funds through
user error. And so and my initial thought
was just to give an idea of scale.
I thought given the previous donation addresses that we, you
know, maybe A few thousand bucks.
So my initial goal for the donations was 10 million SATs on
the page. We got that like almost
immediately. The first day we raised like a
whole Bitcoin and then in the span of around two weeks, we
raised one one-millionth of all Bitcoin that will ever exist.
So there's something like 22 Bitcoin or something there
somewhere in that realm at the same time as this was happening
and forgive me for kind of parsing.
The timeline and not perfectly here, but the government
effectively declared it illegal. So the, the protest was seen as
an illegal occupation of the nation's capital, they basically
painted all of the protesters, as you know, racists or bigots
or whatever it was. And don't get me wrong, there's
a couple assholes down there, flying like, Nazi Flags, but
those people were promptly told to pounce and get the hell out
of there. So obviously, Not reflective of
the entire group, but the emergencies Act was enacted
which basically gave the government or less power to do
whatever they pleased. And so they chose a few specific
things to do. One of them was to freeze bank
accounts of people in and around Ottawa that were donating and
helping the. Cause another thing was they
gave sweeping powers to police and stuff like that.
They were basically trying to tackle, there was a couple
border closures, which were separate from the Main protest
and then they wanted to clear the city but in doing so yeah
they effectively made it illegal to be at the protest and they
gave themselves. The ability to shut down
people's bank accounts and cut them off from the financial
system. So GoFundMe had raised millions
of dollars, they effectively prevent that from ever reaching
its destination Gibson. Go, same deal.
Well, they didn't bend the knee to the Canadian government.
They tried to Money over to a bank account that was belonging
to one of the organizers and TD Bank subsequent, subsequent
Froze, that money. So that didn't get through
either the Bitcoin however ended up being given out to individual
truckers around 14 and a half or 15 Bitcoin were put on paper
wallets care packages that were able to be swept by individuals
at the time was about eight thousand dollars.
Each trucker received and there's videos of it being given
out and everything. Ali.
There was a bug in the wall at software temporarily that
prevented us from moving the last few Bitcoin out of the
multisig. The way that it works in
nunchuck wallet is there's an encrypted chat and whenever you
want to send Bitcoin you can propose a transaction and that
encrypted chat message gets relayed to everybody else and
anybody with a key can then sign it the encrypted chat message
was not being sent through so somebody would try to send it
and nobody else would see the message.
So they weren't able to sign. So.
We're effectively trying to get all of those funds moved 15
Bitcoin went out or in and around their went out to
individual truckers which they still have.
But in the process of that migration, unfortunately Nick
had more keys as we were trying to get it out and his home was
raided by police. They took his laptops and all
that kind of stuff long. And the short of it is that
Bitcoin is now sitting in an escrow away.
Ting. The outcome of a lawsuit, which
was launched by a couple individuals in a business.
In Ottowa that said they suffered losses because of the
protests. And so there's something called
a meriva injunction which says that any funds in association
with this particular lawsuit need to stay put until the
resolution of the lawsuit. So the legal, I guess it's in
legal limbo, so it's just sitting there.
But 70% of all the Bitcoin, got to individual Truckers The last
30% is sitting in that legal limbo, I don't know, I'm not a
lawyer. I don't know what the result of
that lawsuit is going to be. It's probably going to take some
time. So yeah, more or less.
When looking back at this situation, sorry, this is a
super long Round Guys. Yeah, it's amazing.
I so Lessons Learned number one, I made two major mistakes from
the get-go and that kind of pooched, the whole thing moving
forward. So So, that even any of the
funds were able to be taken. So, maybe three, three things
that I would change. Number one tally coin is a
platform that allows you to accept Bitcoin donations at the
time. And I'm not sure if this has
changed since but it would create a new donation address,
not for each, don't a donator, but for each new fundraiser.
So unfortunately, when I uploaded the Expo bit created
the fundraiser, and then it had a single static on chain address
which gave Very localized Central Point which all the
funds could be tracked their in. So law enforcement was able to
say, okay like this one here, this one here.
We see all the funds. These are all these are bad
Bitcoin, so and so forth. So a better alternative that
would be BD, C, pay server, unfortunately, when I started
the fundraiser, I'd never used it.
I didn't know how to use it. I fixed that now.
And I've now created a tutorial on how to use BTC, Pacer to the
funds, were not coined joint and This again was a mistake in and
around how quickly we wanted to get it to multisig because how
quickly the funds were building up having one person with
control of that would not have been ideal, so they're in
multisig but then afterwards is like, oh crap, a lot of money is
here. This should be coin joint in my
opinion anyways, so it would have been better if the BTC pay
server when a despero wallet did around a coin and then the coin
went into the multisig from there.
That would have been ideal and Third is in and around the
legality of things, something that was previously legal became
illegal. And so when we had the multisig,
it was all publicly identifiable bitcoiners that are Canadians
and in Canada. And so when it's illegal protest
and you assume it's not going to be a lot of money, it's not that
big of a deal to have identifiable.
Bitcoiners in fact, it's preferable because everybody is
thinking don't trust verify who has this money?
So we identified and ourselves so that people wouldn't be
freaking out about where this money was, and who had it.
Unfortunately, in that instance, when the government doesn't like
you, that becomes a major issue, especially since we're all in
the country. So I would change, I would go
back and I would, rather than having the actual key holders,
be publicly identifiable. I would have individuals vet the
key holders. So, as an example of myself, I
would be like, hey, I'm putting my reputation on the line.
And I Know Who Holds this key. I don't personally, but I vet
the person. So if they do something Shady,
it's going to fall back on me. Then there's at least a little
bit of don't trust verify their and so you know, then somebody
kicks in my door and demands the key.
Well, I don't have it, I can tell you who has it?
But maybe they're not even in the country.
So those are kind of the main things that I would change.
New, receiving address, every time you receive a donation,
which would be BTC pay server core.
Join join all funds after they come in, multisig was still
good. I'd probably do it two of three,
instead of three or five because three or five was very difficult
to coordinate and then have the key holders vetted.
But not identified, that would be my take away.
So there you go. If you're if you're in an
adversarial environment trying to fundraise.
There's there's a road map I suppose.
Out humidity. And I was meeting.
I just said that was incredible. Thank you so much for coming
through that with us. No worries.
No worries one day, I'll figure it out.
But today is not that day. You're honest.
I've given up hope I want to create a button that Chris can
press. Every single time p is just
muted, just like that won't more.
I haven't had a problem. Yeah.
Man, what a journey? Yeah, I can't even imagine I
want to ask because like we talked a little bit about this
at the beginning of the show. How, you know, if you had asked
me a year ago, would the Canadian government takes such
Draconian measures against its own citizens?
I would have, I would have said no candidly.
Like, I would have what, what do people, who are not in Canada,
need to learn From this experience so that they
themselves, do not have to go through this, nightmare that
yourself truckers and countless others had to experience.
I think see this is a difficult one because people become very
complacent and willing to put up with a lot of crap.
Right? Myself included and so I think
the the main takeaway is to always you know be willing to
push back even on the politicians that you think you
agree with hold them to task but also be Be so Sovereign, right?
The the only really the only thing that worked here was was
the censorship resistant money and not even perfectly because
the tools weren't used to their full extent, but I would say be
as self-solving as possible while still holding anybody that
does have influence in Government to a high standard
and hold them to task as best you can.
I think always maybe just Hedge for the worst possible outcome.
So, as I was saying in my instance, I made a couple of
assumptions that one we wouldn't raise much money into that.
It would remain legal to have a peaceful protest and neither of
those things remained true. Had I gone in with the
assumption that maybe we're going to raise a lot of money
and maybe this is going to become a legal, I would have
gone through all of those. All of those steps to ensure
that it would remain resistant through all of that and I see in
the chat here, Alexander using paint him.
Absolutely paintings are awesome.
And again I started to learn go down that rabbit hole after all
of this went through. So I've now made a couple
tutorials on how to use paint IMS both on Samurai and on
Sparrow wallet and they're awesome.
So anybody watching that doesn't know what a pain him is, it's
basically an public identifier that you can share with them.
Without sharing a Bitcoin address.
And then that means there's no easy centralized point of
saying, oh, this address belongs to this person and now I can
begin to track their funds and begin to piece together what
they have. So a paint him.
Somebody can link to you and then they'll be able to generate
addresses for you to be able to send you money without you
having to publish a post in a public forum an address that
somebody that anybody could audit.
So I love it. P.
I have a fun. So our topic question.
So unless you have something more to contribute, I want to
Sidetrack. Us completely go for it.
Did PTC the last time you and I got a chance to really talk.
I was on your show and you admit, and I'm not shy to admit
it. Like we're MCU nerds, love, and
thunder. Did you see it?
Did you like it? This is the first one that I
haven't seen. Like, right out of the gate.
Sadly, it's because I was on a road trip.
So, I was doing Workshop in Vancouver.
So I left two days prior to a coming out, but me and my wife
are in the midst of setting up date night so we can go to it
because that's, that's her Hollywood Crush.
So I'll, I'll take that L right there.
I'm no Chris Hemsworth, but I'll try.
All right, so, who's your Hollywood crash?
We heard of your wives. Oh, Anna day our Moss.
Oh yes, yes, she is great. But I mean, my wife finds her
super Hot too. So we're together on that one.
I love that. I love that for you guys.
Been, I want to give you the opportunity to also answer.
Have you ever been to Amsterdam and what do you?
What's the first thing that comes to your mind when you
think of the city? I have been to Amsterdam.
I was there actually with my wife for.
We were like we're not married yet but in 2012 we went
backpacking through Europe for three and a half months.
So Amsterdam was the first place that we got two together and is
a great City. I really enjoyed it.
The canals are amazing. We so I don't, I don't really
smoke a lot of weed, but we decided to partake while we were
there and I we were staying in this little hostile Hotel.
I'm not sure exactly what it was, but we're basically in an
attic. And to set the to set the stage
of where we were the stairs were so steep in this place.
That I could stand in front of the staircase and reach my arm
out, straight in front of me and I would be touching a stair.
That's how steep they were. So we had to Traverse this in
our giant backpacks, but down at the, the main check-in area,
tiny little cafe, the whole place reeks of weed.
And then they had an assortment of Edibles there.
And so we grab, we picked up a space muffin.
And the dude at the front desk asked, if we smoke very often, I
was like, last time I had any Maybe Six months ago, he was
like, who you guys better split this?
It's so we did. And so we each had half a space
muffin and we walked around for about an hour and we both
couldn't really feel anything and right as we were saying, how
much we couldn't feel it. It was like somebody punched me
directly in the brain just and and my wife heard me say, oh my
God. And she's like, what?
I don't know. No, I still don't feel anything
and then she went silent for about 30 seconds as she went
through the exact same process and then we just wandered
aimlessly. And we're super paranoid and
somehow eventually made our way back to our hostel, where we,
then, like sat, and, and kept on, are you okay?
Yeah, I'm okay. Are you okay?
So there's a lot of that but there's a really, maybe I'll
find it, but there's a really great picture of us that we
managed to snap. Like we've never been this high
before so we'll just get a good like selfie style and our eyes
are just pasted together and just mad.
Yeah. So I will tweet that I will find
it and I will tweet that photo out after the show.
Okay do it. That is hilarious Im so sorry
that you have that experience. I'm definitely going to bully
you into taking some sort of a space cake or smoking.
A joint with the in Amsterdam while we're there.
Dude, I well first, I gotta Make sure that I'm going, I gotta, I
do want to go, I don't know if I'm, if I don't know in what
capacity, but I would love to maybe partake and speak or
something, whatever, whatever is needed.
So yeah, amazing, you heard it here first Alex?
Yeah Alex get me there. Yeah, I want to ask but just as
we're kind of wrapping up, I know you've been doing some
workshops and in-person workshop specifically around using the
cold card can You like, what's going on there?
Can you tell people about it? How can they learn more about
these? Yeah, so, so I just did my first
in-person Workshop. I've done plenty of like
one-on-ones with people. People are always asking, like
despite the fact and I should caveat this by saying I always
have free stuff. So anybody who wants to learn,
there's always going to be free videos on what you want to
learn. However, some people they just
want that extra hand holding and the Leti to like on the Fly, be
like, what is this, what you know, how there's something I
encountered that wasn't in the tutorial and like they just want
an hour of me sitting there with them and so I do a lot of one on
ones like that where people go and they'll book me for an hour
on my website. However, I thought it would be
kind of cool to be able to have a classroom setting and like
have an in-depth like deep dive Workshop.
So I did my first set of those in Vancouver on the 16th of
July. Just this past, you know, five
days ago, six days ago, whatever it was and they were great.
So I did a learning self custody workshop and it was like a
three-hour, kind of marathon. So everything from like getting
your funds off the exchange setting up a basic wallet using
it doing transactions, understanding transaction fees
deleting and restoring your wallet.
We got into using lightning and showing how Moon Works versus
how blue works and different backups.
Then we discussed different types of Hardware.
So I gave a rundown of kind of all the top Hardware options out
there to kind of set them on their next steps towards self
custody and security. So that was kind of the morning
session and then in the afternoon session we did a four
hour Deep dive on cold card and so again that ran the gamut of
kind of the Zero to Hero basics of setting.
The thing up, backing it up using it.
Are gapping transactions restoring.
A device so on and so forth. So we did all of that and then
we do Vin in the later Parts into some of the more advanced
features and how they work and what they do and how to use
them. So it was, it was pretty, pretty
great in my opinion. I learned a lot and I'll be able
to tweak and make them even better.
I think moving forward. What I will probably do next
time I do one of these which I'm not entirely sure when, but I'd
like to To do more traveling workshops, I think I'll always
do a short, one-hour beginner session for free at the
beginning of the day, and then I'll probably have to deep Dives
for the rest of the day. Cold card will probably remain
because that one I feel like went really well, but I'd also
like to do, maybe something unknown Odes, or maybe something
on different privacy tools or maybe something on multisig,
lots of options there. But yeah, I basically want
people to be able to Along and come and like really get into
the nitty-gritty and start using some of this stuff and
experimenting. I think it's incredibly useful.
I love it. That's fucking awesome, man.
Where can people find you on Twitter?
YouTube. How can they get access to
amazing content? Yeah man.
So you can follow me on Twitter at BTC sessions.
You can also find me on YouTube to search PTC sessions are tons
of stuff there. But yeah, you can subscribe to
that channel and then I also have a website BTC sessions .c a
because I'm in Canada, of course.
But that's where people would find me if they want to actually
book like a one-on-one, you know, online kind of individual
session try to help you through whatever you want.
So yeah, those kind of the In Maine places that you can find
me. Love it, love it.
Well, on that note, I want to thank you for joining us today.
Also for going 15 minutes over, this has been a fantastic
conversation. Also, thank you for contributing
so much to bitcoin. Your content is fucking
incredible. In case that wasn't clear that
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