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There are many reasons why an 
autistic or ADHD person might go

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missed for years. 
If you're an adult who's only 

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recently started making sense of
your own neurodivergence, then 

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you've lived through multiple 
cultural and diagnostic shifts. 

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Changes to the diagnostic 
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A growing emphasis on lived 
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what autism and ADHD looks like 
in adults, and much deeper 

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awareness of nuanced 
presentations and masking. 

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One of the other things that can
complicate or delay a diagnosis,

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especially an autism diagnosis, 
is when both ADHD and autism are

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present. 
That's what we're looking at 

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today, how the overlap between 
autism and ADHD can lead to 

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misdiagnosis, late diagnosis, 
and a lot of self doubt. 

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Along the way, we'll unpack what
diagnostic overshadowing is, the

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research we do have about a 
delay in diagnosis, and we'll 

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walk through six ways that ADHD 
can over shadow autism. 

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I'm Doctor Megan Ananieff. 
I'm an autistic ADHD clinical 

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psychologist, founder of 
Neurodivergent Insights, the 

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author of self-care for Autistic
People, and the Autistic Burnout

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Workbook. 
I'm currently deep in the 

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research and writing phase of my
next book, Audi HD Unlocked, and

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this video series gives you a 
window into some of what I'm 

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finding and thinking along the 
way. 

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Now, the statistics range quite 
a bit depending on which study 

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you look at, but estimates 
suggest that roughly 30 to 80% 

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of autistic people also meet 
criteria for ADHD, and about 20 

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to 50% of people with ADHD are 
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Unfortunately, diagnostic 
systems are built on an either 

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or categorical framework, and so
when overlap happens, that can 

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create some unique problems. 
It sets the stage for what's 

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called diagnostic overshadowing.
That's when 1 diagnosis hides 

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another condition that is also 
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What that means for our lives is
that many of us don't slot 

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neatly into autism or ADHD 
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We're often living at that 
complex intersection where it 

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treats blend, blur, and 
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Now, the diagnostic tools that 
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often built around neat list of 
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categorical thinking. 
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you might not fit cleanly into 
the autism boxes and you also 

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might not fit cleanly into the 
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So you can end up falling 
through the cracks between these

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two categories. 
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clear pattern has been shown 
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identified for someone who's 
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results in a delay in 
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So, for example, one large 
European study found that 

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children who had an ADHD 
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diagnosis, on average it took 
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to be identified. 
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down by gender, boys with prior 
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diagnosis about 1.5 years later,
while girls waited closer to 2.6

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years. 
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case studies and lived 
experience also echo this 

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pattern. 
Many describe children and teens

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who first carried an ADHD 
diagnosis, and only after years 

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of unmet needs and struggle and 
often mental health challenges 

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did autism finally make it into 
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And then these numbers, these 
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disparities that we know about. 
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and brown children tend to 
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diagnosis later and after more 
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children. 
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that when ADHD is picked up 
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the delay and recognition of the
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further for them. 
So then when it comes to an 

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autism recognition, there are at
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Audi HD ERS may experience. 
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ADHD being recognized 1st and 
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happens. 
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to gendered expectations. 
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we have available to us were 
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experiences of boys, a delay 
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inequality and unequal access to
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layer where a lot of autistic 
and ADHD traits tend to fly just

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under the threshold or under the
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looking for. 
So for many Audi HD adults, this

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helps explain why our diagnostic
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Perhaps you received a childhood
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anxiety or depression was added 
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later does autism enter the 
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And then of course for others, 
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completely missed in childhood 
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conversation in adulthood. 
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as the lost generation of 
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generation of ADHD adults. 
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diagnostic shadowing when ADHD 
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then here are six ways that ADHD
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outside. 
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colorful, and that can quickly 
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So while this certainly isn't an
exhaustive list, here are six 

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ways that this can happen. 
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ADHD enough that autism is never
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Maybe they interrupt their peers
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responses in class, and this is 
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pattern of ADHD. 
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struggling socially or they're 
struggling to connect with their

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peers, but it's interpreted and 
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cues or context cues and 
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people's emotions or signals. 
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part of ADHD in attention or 
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And then once ADHD seems to fit,
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might stop asking those deeper 
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differences, they're again 
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Or all the social struggles that
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attributed to ADHD alone. 
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happen is where movement and 
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as hyperactivity or 
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This can easily be understood as
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certain repetitive sensations, 
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proprioceptive pressure, and 
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as the person being overactive 
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seeking proprioceptive input. 
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vestibular sensory needs, which 
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So all of this which we see in 
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framework of hyperactivity and 
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A third one is when executive 
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attributed solely to ADHD. 
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transitioning, or shifting our 
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functioning. 
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experiences in the ADHD 
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connected to autism, but often 
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For example, autistic people 
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meaning that we absorb a lot of 
details and so we can easily get

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cognitively overwhelmed and 
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those decisions or shifting of 
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for slightly different reasons. 
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sensory overloaded, that's also 
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functioning. 
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executive functioning struggle 
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difficulty with planning might 
get chalked up to ADHD executive

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functioning when actually there 
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Again, if ADHD is already on the
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going to get explained through 
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ways that bottom up processing 
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contributing to that are going 
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Fourths, the need for security, 
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get interpreted through an an 
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So for autistic people, it's 
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distress around sudden change or
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weren't expecting. 
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interpreted as emotional 
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poor frustration tolerance. 
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see coming along the picture for
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routine disruptions or distress 
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ADHD emotion regulation 
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Again, when ADHD is the first 
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might be having during 
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might be showing in response to 
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changes. 
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behavioral issues rather than an
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or unexpected change or routine 
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Similarly, sensory distress 
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through that same emotional 
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So for example, a child might 
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tries to brush their hair or 
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get dressed and they might be 
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interpret that as difficult 
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A fifth way that ADHD can hide 
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interests get missed and folded 
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experience. 
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to have hyper focus and have 
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interests can get chalked up to 
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attention might get paid to how 
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regulating those interests are. 
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very absorbed in preferred 
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emotionally, or sensory wise, 
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their role in the autistic 
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part of the person's experience 
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attributed to the ADHD. 
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what's underneath. 
Many Audi HD years become pretty

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skilled at using their ADHD 
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storytelling to kind of perform 
sociability, and that can smooth

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over some of the autistic social
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On paper, this can look like the
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talkative and they look like 
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person beneath it is often 
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rehearsing or collapsing 
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Now in each of these scenarios, 
the ADHD explanation isn't 

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completely wrong, but it isn't 
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And when it becomes the whole 
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overshadowed. 
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what we call diagnostic 
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autistic traits get attributed 
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In audio HD, it is more common 
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autism. 
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So overshadowing between autism 
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different ways. 
Autistic sensory overload can be

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labeled ADHD overwhelmed or 
emotion dysregulation, and the 

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sensory and predictability needs
underneath are never named or 

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going the other way when the 
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not. 
Forgetfulness and time 

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perception struggles could get 
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autistic shutdowns or autistic 
cognitive overload, and then the

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ADHD related executive 
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unseen. 
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global experiences like 
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burnout are often explained 
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Like that's just the autism or 
that's just the ADHD rather than

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seeing them as a cumulative 
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together. 
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overshadowing happened, support 
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when the underlying neurology 
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from that are never fully seen 
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Diagnostic overshadowing is one 
of the main reasons that so many

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of us wait so many years before 
we have a full story to actually

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understand ourselves and all of 
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It also tends to delay the 
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appropriate accommodations that 
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That could make life feel a lot 
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And it can deepen shame as many 
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some form of the message. 
I should be able to do this when

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the truth is the support that we
perhaps have received or built 

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around us was never fully 
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neurology in mind. 
In the next video we'll look at 

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how autism can over shadow or 
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And while that is a less common 
experience, that was actually my

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experience. 
And so I'm excited to talk about

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that in the next video. 
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understanding our combined 
neurology can bring more clarity

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to our audio HD stories. 
Until then, be gentle with 

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yourself, stay curious, and 
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the things? 
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that, that definitely helps us 
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videos like this. 
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