1 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,920 Welcome back nap trappers, we are back for another amazing 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,120 week talking all things baby sleep. 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,480 If tech is on our side, Beck, you and I have been in Struggle 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,400 St today. Yep, we've been in the wars it 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,360 seems. Lots of long blinks between 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,240 them. Blinks, buffering. 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,160 There's at one point I was just a chin. 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,200 As you were a frozen chin as well a. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,000 Frozen chin. Yeah, I have been notoriously 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,960 told Chin down, Sally, Chin down. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,520 Not today. And I was all chin. 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,760 I want to introduce a new segment called. 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,520 Can we Trigger Back? It's easy. 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,760 So Oh my God. Oh my God. 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,080 I. Want to throw a word at you and 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,640 then you write write your trigger like OK you. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Ready. OK. 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,200 Like 1 to 10, one being low and 10 being suico. 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,560 Yeah, and feel free get your vent on you can. 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,080 This is a safe space you can write. 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,960 I'm already thinking of one word that will just absolutely send 22 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,840 me skyrocketing, but I won't say what it is. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,400 You might. You might accidentally say it. 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:17,640 I might live. For nights. 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:27,640 That's not what I was expecting. 9/9 and. 9 Tell me, tell me what 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,040 what what? That's a height. 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,000 So 10 is 10 is full fully treated. 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,840 I, I often find that there's fads, you know, you and I have 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,240 been doing this for quite a long time. 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,320 And I think there's fads with words and with, with things that 31 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:47,360 get thrown into the baby sleep world that appear to be, are 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,400 somewhat super, super challenging. 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,080 And really they it just boils down to something really quite 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,320 simple, but it's catastrophized a little bit, you know, So I 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,640 feel like the, the split nights is something that has really 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,640 been a term that's really overused for something that's 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,560 usually just a really simple problem like overtiredness or 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,360 switch up the routine just a little bit or something like 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,400 that. Which can obviously mean that 40 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,440 you know, to the average Joe Blow who's really not into the 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,360 sleep shenanigans that we are in a really highway, that it's, 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:27,320 it's not always obvious, but it feels like a really major 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,400 blanket statement for small issues that could be resolved 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,280 easily. Yeah. 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,600 And sometimes I think split nights are what we call it when 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,600 it's just a really like a resettle that's not going well 47 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,680 versus like something something's in QR about what's 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,400 happening with the resettle. And to be fair, it can feel like 49 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,320 a split night. Not that this episode is about 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,800 split night. It's like it feels like your 51 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,400 night is split in half. But is it a true split night? 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,600 And 9 out of 10, OK, we've successfully triggered back. 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Boom. You ready for the next one? 54 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,880 Sure, hit me. Somo. 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,560 As in like when people describe it but a FOMO baby. 56 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Yeah, which I don't laugh. I'm not triggered. 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,160 I am not triggered by a FOMO baby. 58 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,680 I'm not really triggered as such, but I just have a little 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,000 chuckle. I have a little chuckle, but I 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,120 don't want parents to think that they can't put it into their 61 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,000 logs for me because I totally understand where it comes from 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,840 that like they're they're a bit of a Klingon. 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,600 They like to Klingon, they like to be out and about with mom and 64 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,880 dad. They like, they don't really 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,360 like to be missing anything. So that feels. 66 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Easily and gay. Yeah, that's right. 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,480 And so when you put them down, yeah, it feels like, no, they 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,000 really wouldn't prefer to be out with us. 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,240 So I reckon you know how I was just like this fads with word. 70 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,720 FOMO was definitely one of them. And I'm going to say maybe 6 to 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,320 8 years ago it was a full massive I've got a FOMO baby, 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,440 but it's less of that now. I also think sometimes it can be 73 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,640 when it's become part of the vernacular for other sleep 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,080 consultants. It's like a way to excuse or 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,360 justify or explain why something's not working. 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,360 It's because you've got a FOMO baby. 77 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,880 Or if you've got a FOMO baby, then you you have to do, Oh, 78 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,320 This is why that won't work. It feels prescriptive or 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,040 limiting. It's a like a label that is 80 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,520 isn't required because as you're like, we totally get and we 81 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360 work. Those are babies we work with 82 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,040 because the babies that know that something else way more 83 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,200 exciting than sleep is happening. 84 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Other babies that struggle with sleep. 85 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,960 Well, it's interesting that you say that actually, because it is 86 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,440 typically a sleep consultant that has like a big following. 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,720 I'm not, it's not just one person. 88 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,400 It's, you know, typically tends to happen if they've got to be 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,360 following and then they've introduced a, an excuse or a way 90 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,760 of describing why this cannot be, you know, like a FOMO. 91 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Then that's where it gets bandied around for sure, like, 92 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,120 and it does that makes sense. The way that you've described it 93 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,400 really makes. It kind of short changes parents 94 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,000 sometimes when it's used in that way versus a we've a parent says 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,640 it to us. Like in our intake forms, we're 96 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,560 like, yeah, we totally understand you're talking more 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,640 about temperament and what you're experiencing like when 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,280 you're trying to do naps on the go and all of that. 99 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:27,560 I think when it's used by other sleep consultants as as a thing, 100 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,920 it's like, yeah, but that doesn't mean you can't. 101 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,560 It's it's. Still get great sleep from a 102 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,320 FOMO. Baby, Yeah. 103 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,280 You know, there's times in my life where I feel like I'm a 104 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:42,200 FOMO adult, but I will still, you know, I can still function 105 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,280 like I. I hate missing out on things. 106 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,360 Unless. Unless. 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,600 I. Like probably in my 20s, in my 108 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,160 20s, I was like, oh, if everyone's going out on a Friday 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,200 night, I'm absolutely going out on a Friday night. 110 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,920 Like I'm not going to be the one staying home. 111 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,600 Whereas happily now at almost 45, if everyone's going out I'd 112 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,080 just rather be on the couch would be fine. 113 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:09,240 I am fear of going out. I have. 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,080 Photo. If someone cancels plans, I'm 115 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,600 like, oh I'm so sorry to hear that. 116 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,200 No, that's OK. Yes, yeah, that's. 117 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,120 For me, needlepointing in bed in 5 minutes. 118 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,880 I'm totally fine, totally fine. We'll do it next time. 119 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,320 OK, I've got one more. I'll save the rest for next 120 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,280 week. Another episode of How can we 121 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:44,240 trigger back? You've got all three oral ties. 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,560 They're no issue, but the baby is not drinking. 123 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,000 But you've been told not an. Issue. 124 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Oh yeah, OK, 10 out of 10 trigger. 125 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Trigger, trigger. I knew that we need a trigger 126 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,600 belt. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, 127 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,600 Ding. Oh my God, I cannot tell you how 128 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,200 many times this crops up and it really boils down, OK, so for 129 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:09,400 example, your, your child has so often we'll get children that 130 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,120 come in and then we're looking at the logs and we're like, 131 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,640 something's not quite adding up here. 132 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,280 And it may not be written down in the logs, but we might ask 133 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,080 parents, is there any oral restrictions? 134 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Have you got a tie, tie, lip tie, cheek ties, you know, any 135 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,560 of those sorts of things. And parents will say, Oh yes, 136 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,880 we've seen the GP said, or my maternal health nurse said that 137 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,480 they do, but it's not worth doing anything about. 138 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,400 They'll be totally fine and they're feeding. 139 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:38,600 OK, and then and and maybe can stick their tongue out. 140 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,120 That's often another one. But then the red flags are 141 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,600 coming in to us. Like when we're reading the logs 142 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,680 and it's like really short feeds, super gassy, windy, 143 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,760 unsettled, waking up multiple times through the night, 144 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,000 aversions to things. So like not eating sort of 145 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,320 particular types of foods, not drinking for bottles, taking 146 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,280 ages to finish a bottle or finish a breastfeed and all 147 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,480 these things. Clear indicators that actually 148 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,160 there is reason to consider getting a second opinion. 149 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,360 And maybe it is the functionality of the tongue is 150 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,080 really not where they initially thought. 151 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,640 So in those scenarios, I always say to families, look, who have 152 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,200 you been to see? Because I God, I don't want to 153 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,800 like put my foot in it. I'm really scared of doing this. 154 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:34,400 In my experience, maternal, child and health nurses, GPS, 155 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:40,120 paediatricians are just not equipped. 156 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,919 They're just not, they're not well equipped to diagnose these 157 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,960 properly. I would rather you find a 158 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,760 lactation consultant, IBCA obviously that specialises in 159 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:59,080 all restrictions and, or, and diagnosing them or an actual 160 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,560 clinic, like a tongue tied clinic if you're in a big city, 161 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:07,080 because I want the, if you're experiencing any of those 162 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:11,120 symptoms, it's worthwhile getting the definitive answer 163 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,520 whether or not they say yes or no. 164 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,200 And if it's a yes and you decide not to do anything about it, 165 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,800 totally fine. But now you've got context. 166 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,960 You've got context. Yeah, yeah. 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,120 So, and then if you're given the no by someone who is at like 168 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,520 trained to assess and diagnose and consider give you all the 169 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:36,160 options and so forth of hey, you know, your, your pathway, then 170 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,800 you know with any uncertainty. OK, well have I successfully 171 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,680 triggered you? Yes, but now I've had a deep 172 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:45,680 sort of breath and I feel fine. I've got that out into the open 173 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,280 and I'm into the universe and I'm fine. 174 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:51,280 Feel free, anyone who's got something that you think this 175 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,720 could be a fun game. It's true Back. 176 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,080 Send it through, send it through. 177 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,280 I'll know very quickly which way it'll go. 178 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,600 I. Agree, the better. 179 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Well, I, I, I didn't expect it to be sleep related. 180 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,080 There were there's can I ask a trigger a question I'd like? 181 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,560 It won't be sleep related. OK. 182 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:16,160 On a scale of 1 to 10? On a scale of 1 to 10. 183 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,960 Oh yeah. How do you write the word 184 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,320 panties? Oh, is that what you thought I 185 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,880 was going to come in hot the first thing I was going to say 186 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,320 on a baby sleep podcast. Like. 187 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,920 Hi everyone, I'm Sally. This is Beck. 188 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:39,080 Beck talk to me about panties. It wasn't the first thing that 189 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,600 sprung to mind. I do, you know what? 190 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,240 I'm not actually. I'm not triggered by it. 191 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:51,520 I feel like I used it for a bit in my 20s but it was a way to 192 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,120 distinguish between knickers and something a little bit more 193 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,320 exotic. But I I don't know, I think I 194 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,240 might have just like thought the word rather than said it out 195 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,960 loud. But we are a knicker family. 196 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,400 I am more triggered by the word undies than I am panties. 197 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:15,080 I cannot do undies at all. Oh my goodness, this is. 198 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,840 Everyone in our house wears knickers, whether you like it or 199 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,560 not. And I can unisex way. 200 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,360 Oh yeah, my. Son would be like, where are my 201 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,240 knickers? I'll tell my husband I'm not 202 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,600 putting away your knickers. You get I'll be like Oprah, you 203 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,280 get knickers, you get knickers, you all get knickers. 204 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,640 Oh, but I don't know if. It's a a New Zealand thing or 205 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,720 not, but we my mom would call them Grundies. 206 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,800 Like a grands of Grundies. That's disgusting. 207 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,400 That's that's a nine. That is a nine for me. 208 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,240 We are a knicker household too. Oh, have you OK? 209 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Yeah, I knew I liked you, but none. 210 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Of the keyword. OK, now that we're all fired up, 211 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,440 split nights and Grundy, let's talk about baby sleep. 212 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,440 Today we want to tackle the cat napping conundrum that so many 213 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,720 families face. And it can go on for months and 214 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,160 months and months, even if you have done active sleep training 215 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,680 and your baby can self settle, maybe they even self settle for 216 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,040 naps. They can sleep through the 217 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,320 night, etcetera, etcetera. But you cannot get past these 218 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,080 20304045 minutes, if you're lucky, naps. 219 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,480 And we're going to use a little bit of a case study here to help 220 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,120 give us some structure. Otherwise we're going to get our 221 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,760 panties in A twist. Try to talk about it because 222 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,160 we've got so much to say. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 223 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,160 We have to like really narrow it down to proper answers. 224 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:57,720 Yeah, OK, so we're going to talk about baby Noah, who is 7 months 225 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,400 old. He's on A2 nap schedule. 226 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,920 His wake windows are roughly 2 1/2 to 3 hours. 227 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,600 He goes down for naps in his cot in a dark room with white noise. 228 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,800 He can fall asleep independently at bedtime. 229 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,320 But here's the issue. Every single nap is 20 to 30 230 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,640 minutes. Occasionally one nap stretches 231 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,600 to 40 minutes, but that's rare. He wakes up happy, not crying, 232 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,640 and by late afternoon he's clearly exhausted. 233 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,480 And bedtime is creeping earlier and earlier to compensate. 234 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,120 Mom naturally feels like she's never gets a break during the 235 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,240 day. And isn't this meant to be fixed 236 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,200 by now by age and also the fact that he can fall asleep 237 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,960 independently? Why are they stuck in catnap 238 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,680 purgatory? And sorry, I might have missed, 239 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,360 Is Noah on three naps or two naps? 240 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,560 He is on 2 naps. Oh, OK. 241 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,400 All right, so where do we start with baby Noah? 242 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,760 Right, Where do we start with baby Noah? 243 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:13,680 So we're going to consider all of his environmental things. 244 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:15,640 So we're going to look at how dark his rumours, making sure 245 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,880 that it's super dark. We've got brown noise or white 246 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,320 noise in the mix. He is nice and warm for his naps 247 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,360 and at bedtime. So we're just going to rule all 248 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,600 of those things out with mum 1st and then we're going to look at 249 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,920 his day. We're going to look at the 250 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,720 structure of his day because ultimately we just said we need 251 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,960 to line all the ducks up to make sure that Noah has the ability 252 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,920 to fall asleep readily and easily and have the opportunity 253 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,320 to link his sleep cycles. Because he's nice and full. 254 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Like he's getting great milk and great solids in the mix. 255 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,240 And that there isn't anything that we're missing through the 256 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,840 course of the day that could be impacting his ability to link 257 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,160 his sleep cycles. So I think we've got to sort of 258 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,160 look at his milk fees and the timing of them solids and the 259 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,600 timing of them. We're looking at his wake 260 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,760 windows to make sure that he's not going down overtired for the 261 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,360 naps and then looking at his bedtime routine. 262 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,560 So out of all of those, what do you think is the most important 263 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,720 we start with? We got to bring back the third 264 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,120 nap first and foremost. What can often happen is that 265 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:37,240 you would think with less day sleep or with shorter naps that 266 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,280 they are then going to be more likely to sleep better, take 267 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,520 longer naps from a sleep pressure perspective. 268 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,400 And in our experience, it just doesn't work like that. 269 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,680 It may work for a couple of days and you think, Oh my goodness, 270 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,760 that was the fix. And then you're back to those 20 271 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,920 minute or the short sleep cycles. 272 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,000 And for me, 20 minutes isn't even a full restorative sleep 273 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,600 cycle. So I am absolutely with you. 274 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,760 First of all, environment, definitely one of the easiest 275 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,480 fixes. And chances are you've already 276 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,800 done it. But one of the easiest fixes is 277 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,760 making sure that room is pitch black because we do work with 278 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,920 FOMO babies. And it can be the smallest 279 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,680 sliver of light that they they say at the end of a sleep cycle 280 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,200 or as there's just starting to come out of it and it's game 281 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,560 over. And it's usually is the babies 282 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 are then are happy to to they would do wake up up happy. 283 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,720 And they're like, that's fine. I'm just I'm just happy to be 284 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,640 here. I've seen that light party on 285 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,800 let's go. I've I've had enough of as in 286 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,560 like I'm restored enough from my 20 to 30 minutes. 287 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,480 Yeah, because the 20 to 30 minute naps often happen when 288 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,600 we've got a cycle of overtiredness because it usually 289 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,720 at the 20 to 30 minute mark is when they're cycling from sort 290 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,400 of active sleep into deep sleep phase. 291 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,680 So there's often like a little tiny blip there where they, 292 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,880 there's an opportunity for a little ones to sort of look 293 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:07,319 around the room, like just very briefly, if they're overtired 294 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,520 and they've got high levels of cortisol, quite often you'll 295 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,720 find that that's the, that's the moment that an overtired baby 296 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,480 will wake. They're going to have that short 297 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,160 nap. And especially if there's like, 298 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,720 filtering through the room, their optic nerve is going to 299 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,240 cotton onto that and then send a message through the brain 300 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,040 through to the brain to say, hey, time to wake up. 301 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,400 Yeah, to do let's. Get on. 302 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,800 So that's where where some babies can absolutely sleep in a 303 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,160 a much lighter room, even take long naps. 304 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,640 The first thing we want to do, which involves no behavioural 305 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,800 techniques, no crying, is to make that room pitch black. 306 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,000 And I think you touched on a good point just before. 307 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,560 We want your baby to be warm enough for the day, nap just 308 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,640 like you're making them warm enough overnight. 309 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 It's not uncommon for us to work with families that drop the TOG 310 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,560 rating during the day even though the room temperature is 311 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,760 pretty much the same. But because out side it's 312 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,760 hotter, they drop a TOG. We want nice and cosy during the 313 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,240 day as well As for overnight. So absolutely environment. 314 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,840 And then it's about bringing that third back nap back in. 315 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,680 Even if it's short. You and I will take 3 short naps 316 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,200 over. Well, definitely over 22 short 317 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,160 naps at this age while we restructured the day and figure 318 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,440 out what's the next step from here. 319 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,840 So I think we should throw a couple of should we throw out 320 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,760 the seven month schedule? Let's. 321 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,640 To show like what we're aiming for, so we want 7:00 AM up full 322 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,960 milk feed. We're then going to do a 9:30 to 323 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:47,960 10:15 AM nap, 1:11 AM milk 1130 solids. 324 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,200 So lunch 12:45 till 2:15 PM 3:00 PM Milk. 325 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,200 We're then going to do a 5 to 530 nap. 5:30 Dinner. 326 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,720 Correct. 7:00 PM milk. I'm just doing the maths in my 327 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,240 head. 7:00 PM Milk 730 into bed to self settle like he can 328 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,960 already do. That's right. 329 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,400 Now I fully appreciate Sally. This baby takes 20 minute naps 330 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,640 and you're asking for a 12:45 to 2:15. 331 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,280 Here are a couple of things to note. 332 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:27,720 If we get these great milk feeds in and stop fluctuating between 333 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,080 the the the wake windows of 2 1/2 to like that floating idea 334 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,520 that they've got in this. If we've got in this case study 335 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,760 and we anchoring like the first half of the days into the COD at 336 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,840 9:30 or that's when you start your fully assisted nap. 337 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,080 If you have had a great 7:00 AM milk feed, maybe you've even got 338 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,560 breakfast in the mix depending on the baby, then they are 339 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,560 primed from a tummy perspective to take a better nap. 340 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,480 And we will bang about on about this till the cows come home 341 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,560 that if you get great milk feeds in during the day, your naps can 342 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,400 organically improve as opposed to snacking. 100%. 343 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,560 And it's very tricky to get great anchored feed times in 344 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,560 when you've only got 220 minute naps. 345 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:16,080 Yes, this is correct for Noah. We would then say we don't care 346 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,720 what you do to get these naps in. 347 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,360 We just want to break out of the sort of have a circuit breaker 348 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,960 of Noah's little internal body clock is like Ding, Ding, Ding, 349 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,400 Ding, Ding. 20 minutes, thirty minutes Max. 350 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,480 I'm up. So we're going to assist. 351 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,880 We're going to throw everything at these naps. 352 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,480 Yep, just release the pressure of thinking that your baby has 353 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,000 to self settle for them in order. 354 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,200 To yeah, yeah, even though we can. 355 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,000 Playing the long game, even though we can, we, we're playing 356 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,040 a little bit of the long game in order to rectify everything, 357 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,960 everything. It's almost a stage by stage 358 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,200 approach. And so we sort of lend a hand in 359 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,400 some ways so that we could take the pedal off in others, so foot 360 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,200 off the pedal in other areas. So yeah, so we would definitely 361 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,680 assist the naps just to get the timings right to start teaching 362 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,840 the internal clock that maybe can't actually sleep for longer 363 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,040 periods. It's it's acceptable to do that. 364 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:17,560 Melatonin is released and you know, for certain periods of the 365 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,360 day so that the internal clockwise into being in a dark 366 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:24,800 room for certain amounts of time creates those moments for 367 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,800 melatonin to be released, like in expectation of the naps, but 368 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,120 also they're exposed to the darkness of the room. 369 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,920 So it's like a double whammy. Yeah, you could also use the 370 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,440 pram with a dark cover. Yeah, if you know that your baby 371 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,360 only takes 20 minutes in the car but loves a car nap, we will get 372 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,640 you to drive. We'll get you to drive. 373 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,360 Backing out of the driveway at 12:40, it takes 10 minutes to 374 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,920 drift off and you're pulling back into the driveway between 375 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,680 2:00 and 2:15. Perfect. 376 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,600 It is not a long term plan, particularly with current petrol 377 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,560 costs, but we just want to get the naps in, then we get you to 378 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,480 the next feed and so on and so forth. 379 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Now there would be a lot of families listening to that and 380 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:15,040 thinking, yeah, that's like, I understand that, but I struggle 381 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:20,280 so much with fully assisting and and contact napping or risk 382 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,520 rescuing the nap. Like it can feel like game over, 383 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,920 don't worry, we know exactly how that looks and feels. 384 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440 And what I would say is that day one is probably going to be 385 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,960 super messy and that's OK. It's not a fail if you try and 386 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,640 rescue that nap and you're in the dark, rocking, holding, 387 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,880 bouncing on the football and baby does not go back to sleep. 388 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,520 It's about staying in the dark and committing to the attempt 389 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,760 because then we're going to give you nap 3 to kind of piece the 390 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,600 day together. And this is when we'll happily 391 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,680 take 3 short naps over 2 short naps to get you to bedtime and 392 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,560 to still protect all of these great milk feeds. 393 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,520 And then you're going to turn up the next day and try again and 394 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,440 your baby's like, oh, hang on, I have got a full of tummy because 395 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,280 mum keeps feeding me at these four hourly times. 396 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,600 Yeah, I've had plenty of time down on the mat. 397 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,560 That's the other key thing about naps is babies need to exert 398 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,920 energy in order to not only be tired enough to fall asleep, but 399 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,320 to stay asleep. So it's it's often with like 400 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,440 older, not older babies, but subsequent babies. 401 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,400 Like if you've got multiple children and you kind of just 402 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,920 always got to be on the go, that they end up just getting held a 403 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840 lot of the time, which like we totally get. 404 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:37,880 But in the spirit of nap, work down that time is critical. 405 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,720 Absolutely. So we're going to get you to do 406 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,360 that and then we're going to send you back in to fully assist 407 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,600 and rescue that nap. Day 2, day three. 408 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,960 And it usually it usually starts to fall into place. 409 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,280 They usually become more receptive to your attempts with 410 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,560 those timings and the feeds and the the opportunity in practise. 411 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,880 Yeah, the first day I can feel a little bit overwhelming because 412 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,920 you're watching the clock constantly and you're sort of 413 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,000 really focusing on these feeds. And if you haven't had a four 414 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,200 hour stretch between feeds quite often, that's the hardest point 415 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,920 for parents to sort of, you know, move through because 416 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,280 they're so used to sort of offering feeds much more 417 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,080 frequently. And so it's, it's in the back of 418 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,360 your mind, you sort of like, oh gosh, I've got to make the four 419 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,440 hour mark and I've got to make this sort of wake window and 420 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000 I've got to make this happen. So the first 24 hours can feel 421 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,040 overwhelming, but it is so quick to start settling in. 422 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,920 And, and you know, I always congratulate my clients on the 423 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,440 first night, you know, like when I received that first phone call 424 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,600 the next day, you've made it, you've done it. 425 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,960 Not one done and dusted first day, done and dusted. 426 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,200 And it just feels like, OK, we're over the hurdle now. 427 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,600 We've started and you know, we start as we mean to go on. 428 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,000 So then it sort of starts to all slot into place. 429 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,080 And you'll be so surprised with that the how swift it is. 430 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,920 And in Noah's case, because he can self settle at bedtime and 431 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,240 I'm going to assume, let's say he's sleeping through the night, 432 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,240 then we would continue that expectation. 433 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,360 So even though we're throwing everything at the naps, 434 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,320 absolutely continue to pop him down. 435 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,400 If anything felt any different, if bedtime became a little bit 436 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480 trickier, if you had some blips overnight that you weren't used 437 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,160 to, just know that the context is you've gone and given him a 438 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,920 third nap, you've changed his internal body clock to expect 439 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,920 something different and he's just not in on the plan. 440 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,120 So whenever we work on days, nights can take a hit. 441 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,560 The only thing you do is use your consistent sleep training 442 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,960 technique. You don't need to go in and add 443 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,000 anything into the mix. If anything, this is the moment 444 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,360 for that sleep training technique to shine so you know 445 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:43,840 that oh he really is truly self settling from a well rested 446 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,440 place. Yeah, and it also means that you 447 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040 get good practise at using the technique again, because if you 448 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,920 haven't, if you've used it at bedtime or initially to get 449 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,360 great sleep happening and you haven't had to use it for some 450 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:55,920 time. Yeah, it's a really great 451 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,720 opportunity to bring it back into the mix. 452 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,560 So you can create that really clear pattern of response and 453 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,800 their expectation around what it is that you're doing and what it 454 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,920 is that baby needs to do. And just a little bit of a 455 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,400 refresher in terms of, OK, let's get back up to speed with our 456 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,960 response, how we're going to tackle this baby gets back on 457 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,240 the plan. And then it means that when 458 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,960 we've got the Knights, you know, looking schmick, we can start 459 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,800 then applying it to the naps because now it's not the foreign 460 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,880 concept that it has been. So, yeah. 461 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760 So I think it's it's great to work in stages. 462 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,280 These are all the reasons why we don't just necessarily go 463 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,800 straight in with sleep training naps. 464 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,960 We just want to make it easy, as easy as it can be for your 465 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,120 little one. The other thing to add on to 466 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,280 that is that you may also have had a baby that you've never had 467 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,400 to formally sleep train that night just went to became good 468 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,800 and they've always self settled for a nap, but they've never 469 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,880 linked the sleep cycle. So incorporating a sleep 470 00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,280 training technique into bedtime and overnight if, if wakings or 471 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,600 settling is required, that's that's, that's fantastic because 472 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040 now you've got something to do rather than like we never had to 473 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,760 do This isn't, isn't this episode meant to make our sleep 474 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,320 better? And you've made it worse because 475 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,200 we brought in the third nap. Hold steady, hold steady. 476 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,880 Use a sleep training technique. See it through because it will 477 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,480 all come good. If you have got all of that in 478 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,960 place. I think it is critical to know 479 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,240 that linking a sleep cycle during the day for a lot of 480 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:39,440 babies then becomes about being a teachable skill rather than 481 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,000 shouldn't it just happen If we've done all this other work 482 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240 and we know they can self settle, In our experience, it's 483 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,200 kind of the final piece of baby sleep. 484 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680 Like it's a final piece of the puzzle in a lot of the work that 485 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,640 we do is consolidating the nap. First comes falling asleep for 486 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,240 it and then comes linking the sleep cycle. 487 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,520 But your nap training is going to be longer and harder and 488 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,720 maybe less productive if you have not done the foundational 489 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,200 work of timings, feeds, solids, environment, all the things that 490 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,840 we rabbit on about constantly. You have to set the stage for 491 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,960 nap training success because in the spirit of not sugar coating 492 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,360 things, nap training can be hard. 493 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,040 And it can sometimes be a bit disheartening because let's say 494 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,600 you've night night sleep trained 3 nights and you're like, Oh my 495 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320 God, this was so much easier than I was expecting. 496 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,120 And then we're like, could you work on Neptune now? 497 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,000 And it feels longer and harder. It takes a couple, it takes a 498 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,720 few days, maybe it takes a week, maybe it takes a little bit of 499 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,920 chopping and changing. And it can feel disheartening of 500 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,080 like, why did it work so well for nights? 501 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,120 I don't know. I don't know why this isn't 502 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,240 working. Maybe my baby can never do it. 503 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,720 And that's because we're primed differently for bedtime and 504 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,800 overnight sleep. That's the most common 505 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,040 trajectory. We see nights first, then we 506 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,080 work on naps. I also think it's yeah. 507 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,440 And it's much harder to hear your little 1 protest in the 508 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,400 kind of way that they do through the day because if they've had a 509 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,520 40 minute nap and you're aiming for say a 2 hour nap or whatever 510 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,640 it might be. In this case for Noah, we're 511 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,560 looking for 12 second nap is 1245 to to 2:15. 512 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,680 So if he wakes after 40 minutes, we're still looking for another 513 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,240 40-5 really. And it just means that if 514 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,840 they've had a 45 minute nap, he's got great gusto at this 515 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760 point. Like he will be, you know, maybe 516 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,000 he's not standing in the cot, but he's got lungs and he'll be 517 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,600 very unhappy about the situation. 518 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,160 And it can feel really hard if you're, if your goal is to 519 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,640 lengthen the nap, sometimes it feels really hard to to be out 520 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,800 of the room and doing the sleep training when you know, you 521 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,560 could just pick your little one up and carry on with the rest of 522 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,680 the day and save the tears. But it's your, this is where the 523 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,760 work comes in. And if you've got a little one 524 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,000 that sleeps so well overnight, this is great. 525 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,400 This is still sleep training network is sleep training. 526 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,760 And you've kind of got to get your head around the idea that 527 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,240 in order for it to get better, you have to be consistent, 528 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,080 repetitive and persistent. So it's, it's about sort of 529 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,680 having the goal in your mind, understanding the why behind why 530 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,560 you're doing it and why they're, if there's going to be tears, we 531 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,440 need to make them count. We don't want to waste any tears 532 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,240 because again, in the spirit of not sugar coating things, 533 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,920 sometimes there can be a lot of tears for naps. 534 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080 And it doesn't mean it's a forever thing. 535 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,600 It just means that we're, we're asking them to do something that 536 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,960 they haven't learned yet. And the only way to learn 537 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,160 something is to practise. And that doesn't mean that you 538 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,000 can't be present. It doesn't mean that you can't 539 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,960 provide reassurance and be really responsive. 540 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,600 We will have a couple of caveats in that when you go to nap train 541 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,560 the second half of a sleep. So let's say baby Noah's done 542 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,600 1245 self settles beautifully and Halo 115 and we're asking 543 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,400 for another 45 to an hour. You've got you've got game face 544 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,800 on. OK, so let's say for him, we're 545 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,800 going to do sort of a modified Ferber. 546 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,440 We know he can self settle seven months old. 547 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,280 He doesn't want to be picked up and put down. 548 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:23,680 Less is more because it is the middle of the day and he has 549 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,360 just technically had a nap. So sleep pressure is still 550 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,920 there, but less and it can just be game over with the more 551 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400 interaction stimulation that goes on. 552 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,040 So we would either get you to do a few timed cheques, cut side, 553 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,960 no, no, no and out you go. Maybe a time check at the door 554 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,280 and or maybe we'll just get you to walk up and down the hallway 555 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,040 just so he knows that you're there. 556 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,960 Then what we are looking for is, or what we usually see is micro 557 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,960 doses, like we're talking 30 seconds head down. 558 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,160 He went quiet. Oh my goodness, he's done it. 559 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,440 Nope, Psych. He is back up and giving it a 560 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800 red hot crack and then that happens multiple, multiple times 561 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320 and then he's just kind of up no problem. 562 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600 We have your third nap to save the day. 563 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,960 We get you to bedtime, rinse and repeat overnight and then you 564 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,440 turn up again and you focus on nap too. 565 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Now at this age and with three naps, we're just really 566 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480 concentrating on nap 2 to get it long. 567 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,880 Even if he only does 30 minutes in the morning independent, 568 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,400 we'll roll with that. If anything, sometimes it can 569 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,480 help nap 2 as opposed to the full blown 45 minute restorative 570 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640 sleep cycle. We'll take the 30 minutes in the 571 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240 morning, we'll use his wake window to know where nap 2 is, 572 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,160 and then we know he's got sleep pressure in the tank. 573 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,280 Yeah, this is the, that's the beauty of this age is that we're 574 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120 not looking for two massive naps because then it becomes 575 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,080 overwhelming. We just take what we can like in 576 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,440 the morning, focus on nap 2. And often just by having a 577 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,320 really concentrated effort on one particular nap, it starts to 578 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,400 fall into place much more easily because again, it's not as 579 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,600 overwhelming for parents that they're having, you know, 580 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,560 they're having to do too. Because I think the last thing 581 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,560 we want is for you to feel like not only have you been stuck 582 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,920 inside, change to the cot for the all three naps all too long 583 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,560 naps. Or that you have just been nap 584 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,720 training and night training and nap training and night training 585 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,280 and big tears and you want to throw in the towel. 586 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,440 Which would be a fair enough response. 587 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,640 By staggering it, you're just focusing on one nap. 588 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,520 You have nap 3, you can hop in the car, you can go in the pram. 589 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,840 You know he only needs to do 30 minutes. 590 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,600 It's no big deal. The pressure is reduced and 591 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800 we're just going to get you to keep turning up to nap 2 and it 592 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,680 will come good. The hard thing is we don't have 593 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,040 this. Yeah, we just don't have a 594 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,960 crystal ball. But we see incremental 595 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,640 improvements pretty speedily. So for example in a two week 596 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,920 package we will have done nights and naps within two weeks. 597 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,159 And early rising. And early rising, Yep. 598 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,639 So it's not to say, OK, well you'll be working on nap 2 for 599 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,880 the next six weeks. With the right plan and the 600 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,480 right support, we can have this done, done and dusted. 601 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,840 Some babies also just take to it. 602 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,120 They're like, oh, I just needed to know what to do. 603 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,719 Yeah, I was just waiting for them, yeah. 604 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,280 Yeah, great. OK, no problem. 605 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,840 I'll see you at 2:15 tomorrow. It's so interesting when that 606 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,960 happens, isn't it? Because it's sort of like, OK, 607 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,320 now we're, we're prepared, OK, we're going to move in stages. 608 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,639 This might take a few days. And then the first exposure, 609 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,880 pretty tricky. Second exposure done. 610 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,960 I just sleep the full hour and a half anyway. 611 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,679 Why don't we do this? Three months ago. 612 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. But less is more. 613 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,320 And so that's that's the key. This is the time where you not 614 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,560 sort of cradling baby and shushing and patting their head 615 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,920 and so forth. Less is more. 616 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,680 That's your mantra for for naps. You still are. 617 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,200 Like you said, you're able to respond and reassure at any 618 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,800 stage that you want. It's just that we we want to 619 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,240 have a limit on how much stimulation is being put into 620 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,520 the resettle. Yeah, yeah. 621 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,760 And I think also to your point before of it can sometimes be 622 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,560 harder during the day to hear your baby do the sleep work and 623 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,800 to cry is also because, you know, at at midnight you're not 624 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,320 going to just get them up to start their day, or at least we 625 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,280 hope you're not. Whereas, you know, after a 30 626 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,920 minute nap and you're like, I can just let's just get up. 627 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,920 Like we'll just we'll just get out. 628 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,680 We'll move forward with our wake window. 629 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,000 But it's going to reinforce that little internal body clock. 630 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,240 Oh, 30 minutes is done because something was fun happens. 631 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,840 Yeah. But just know that it is a 632 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,080 teachable skill. Absolutely. 633 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,200 And that you don't have to be stuck in the world of cat 634 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,080 napping forever. But more so, if you feel like 635 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,880 you are, you are so not alone. You have not done it wrong. 636 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,560 You have not built a rod for your own back. 637 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,000 You do not have to feel shame that all these other babies are 638 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,040 crushing it and your baby has an alarm clock that goes off at 27 639 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,280 minutes. It's Naps are tricky. 640 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,320 Naps are tricky and some babies are chronic cat nappers and we. 641 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,960 Can, yeah, my first born, he didn't sleep, he didn't link his 642 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,120 sleep cycles for napped to until he was eight months old. 643 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,600 And as a sleep consultant, like I wasn't a sleep consultant 644 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,800 then, but I definitely had many skills. 645 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,520 But all the ducks were lined up. Sometimes there is just, you can 646 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,600 have it all lined up and for whatever reason, physiologically 647 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,400 they're just, I'll do it in my own sweet time, thank you. 648 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,240 But we can maximise the opportunity to. 649 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,920 There's plenty of different ways we can offer opportunities to 650 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,280 try and encourage them to do a linked cycle. 651 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,960 And looking back now I know where I went wrong. 652 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,160 Oh, tell me. Because yeah. 653 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,160 So I. Because sorry to interject if 654 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:27,360 you and I saw a baby at 8 months now still taking cat naps. 655 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,040 I don't think our first thought would be that of course it's 656 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,160 normal, but that we can't get better naps like we would be 657 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,800 actively working to get consolidated naps. 658 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,000 Yeah. So eight months back then, so 659 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,560 the book that I followed dropped to 2 naps early. 660 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,120 So, so I didn't have the third. Yeah. 661 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,480 So I didn't have the third nap in the mix to tie everything 662 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,840 together. And there was a lot of pressure 663 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,640 on that second nap to be a longer one. 664 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,040 And and then so I used to contact nap a lot to get the 665 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:10,440 extension there and the contact nap, the rescue was, it was just 666 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,600 became habitual. So I was habitualizing the whole 667 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,600 shebang until eventually I was like, actually, I'm not going to 668 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,600 do, I'm not going to do that anymore because my back is just 669 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,800 so sore. And then it was just a case of 670 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,800 I'm just going to use a technique here. 671 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,560 And I did And all of a sudden it all fell into place. 672 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,920 But also there was a little bit of age in that as well. 673 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,760 So, you know, we were able to move past that. 674 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,160 But yeah, for sure that was the third nap fight. 675 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560 Like dropping the third nap too early for sure. 676 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,280 In saying that, I can think of a baby that I've worked with where 677 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400 everything was lined up so beautifully and it wasn't until 678 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,320 seven months that it all clicked into place for the linking of 679 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:55,040 the midday sleep cycle. Not from lack of every every 680 00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:00,040 foundation, amazing self settler like great feeds, great solids, 681 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,240 the whole thing. It was just an age and stage 682 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,880 thing. But really from 5 in a lot of 683 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,200 four months that we 4 month old babies that we work with, they 684 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,720 pull a real rabbit out of the hat once we get our ducks in a 685 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,920 row and start to link sleep cycles. 686 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,000 But really, from 5 to 6 months I start having more curiosity and 687 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,960 slightly higher expectations of what we can achieve in terms of 688 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,640 getting a link, a sleep cycle linked during the day. 689 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,680 Yeah, I tend to agree. I sort of think somewhere 690 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,640 between four and six months you can start looking at that first 691 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,080 nap linking. And then usually it's a process 692 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,560 like a stage by stage. So nights in the first waking of 693 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,320 the first nap and then it doesn't necessarily happen all 694 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,280 at the same time. Sometimes it might be a couple 695 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,200 of weeks in between, but at some point then the second nap will 696 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,920 start to link and then it starts. 697 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600 Yeah. So, so sometimes it's not until 698 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,360 six months and over that you'll get a second nap linking like 699 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,720 it's. Which is part of why we we work 700 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,400 to the short long catnap scenario for a three nap baby is 701 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,600 because once a baby shows that they can link the sleep cycle 702 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,280 for the first nap, which as you said, is often the easiest and 703 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,360 1st nap to to fall into place for a lot of babies, is we can 704 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,720 be confident in capping it and giving that sleep pressure to 705 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:19,040 nap too. And then we start to flesh out 706 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,160 the second half of the day so that we protect our nights and 707 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,600 all the method behind all of our madness in these podcast 708 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,600 episodes. Starts to starts to play out if 709 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,560 you if your version of Noah is older, let's say 10 months and 710 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,120 three naps isn't really the the vibe or it's just absolutely not 711 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600 going to happen despite your best efforts. 712 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,720 You would start with first nap of the day. 713 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,920 All of this would still apply, but you're going to nap train 714 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,280 nap 1 and keep nap 2 fully assisted and rescued and just 715 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,920 chip away at nap 1 and then when that's looking good, back down 716 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,400 for nap 2. Yep, that's right, It's a good 717 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,200 plan. Easy plan. 718 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,800 So easy. So, so easy. 719 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,000 And if it's not easy, you know who to get in touch with so we 720 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,960 can simplify it even. More absolutely, we are not 721 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,640 triggered by a cat napping. Oh, we are not. 722 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,000 No low threshold. Low threshold. 723 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,280 We welcome all the chronic cat nappers around the world. 724 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,000 We will help you. We even had a mother in camps 725 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,040 yesterday whose baby for the first time ever took a 90 726 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,080 minutes day nap in his court self settling. 727 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,960 Thank you very much. And she wrote, she was like, I 728 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,480 have no idea what to do with myself this whole time. 729 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,320 And we just say you're welcome. Is that not the best message to 730 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:43,840 receive? Oh. 731 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,800 My God it's the best. Everyone's high fiving so 732 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,600 lovely. Left, right and centre. 733 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,760 Okay, hopefully that cat napping case study has given you some 734 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,720 reassurance that what you're experiencing is totally, totally 735 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,280 normal. Nothing you are doing is wrong, 736 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,360 your baby is not broken and you can get get better naps. 737 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200 Absolutely. It is a teachable skill and 738 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,160 sometimes it actually needs to be napped trained and it's not 739 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,880 always easy, but it is always worth it in my opinion. 740 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,760 Yep, I agree. Excellent. 741 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,400 All right, let's move into some sleepy days sleep detectives 742 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,960 questions which came through on my Instagram today. 743 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,720 Let's answer this. How much day sleep for a 2 year 744 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,760 old? Oh, great question. 745 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,040 It's interesting because there's like AI just turned 2 yesterday, 746 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120 2 year old and then I'm turning 3 in a Week, 2 year. 747 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,840 Old Oh yeah, so. There's actually a big yeah, 748 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,800 very different child. A fresh 2 year old for me would 749 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,680 be say 2 to 2 1/2. I know lots of 2 1/2 year olds. 750 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120 Sorry 2 year olds. They're still able to smash a 2 751 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,600 1/2 hour nap out, say from like 12:30 to two, 12:30 to 3:00. 752 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,880 But a typical schedule for me is 1 to 3. 753 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,520 So 2 hours in the middle of the day from 2:00 onwards. 754 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800 So did I just say 1 till three? I think I did. 755 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,720 Say 1 till. Three. 756 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,000 I did, Yeah, Sorry, brain snap. So 123 for a fresh 2 year old 757 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,840 and then starting to whittle it down like gradually as we start 758 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,360 to sort of get closer to 2 1/2 and then closer to three. 759 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,640 I think usually as you get sort of as you move on, if you're 760 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,120 trying to protect bedtime, then you know that you need to start 761 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,120 whistling away or chipping away at the length of time you're 762 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,280 offering for this for the nap. Because if the nap is too long, 763 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,680 it starts to impact bedtime. And I'm in the biggest camp of 764 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,760 protect bedtime at all cost. Yeah, yeah. 765 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,320 So you're going to do a 7:00 AM app A1 till three nap from 766 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,320 roughly the age of 2 and then what? 767 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,760 Sorry, what did you said? A 7:00 PM. 7:00 PM Bedtime 7730. 768 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,640 Yeah, OK. Yep. 5 hours. 2 1/2 years old. 2 769 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:14,320 1/2 is probably 1 till 2:30. Yeah, with a 730 bedtime. 770 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,080 Yep, and then then it starts to really depend on what's 771 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,280 happening with bedtime and overnight because I'll sometimes 772 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,400 drop a nap at two years 10 months in the right scenario. 773 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,400 Equally we work with some 3 year olds that are still cruising on. 774 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,760 It's really depending on what is the sleep issue, if there is 775 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,280 one. OK, here we go. 13 month old was 776 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,880 sleeping 7:30 till 7:00 AM and now waking up at 6:00 AM after 777 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120 7:00 PM Bed. Early rise, yes or no? 778 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,400 No, I'm with you. Technically, yeah, technically 779 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,760 it's not a an early rise. It can feel like a rude shock 780 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,320 when you've gone from 7:30 to 7:00. 781 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:08,040 So 11 1/2 hours, but we're really aiming for something 782 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,640 between 6:00 and 7:00, Yeah, between 6:00 and 7:00 in the 783 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,280 morning as an 11 week time versus up time, we would still 784 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,800 have 645 seven AM is up time just in case it's even just a 785 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,520 bit of a blip and then we can not reinforce this. 100% because 786 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,520 we've got quite often our little ones will go through something 787 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,920 so they're mastering a new skill or whatever it might be and all 788 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,400 of a sudden they're awake in the morning and they're shouting 789 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,160 from the rooftops and so forth. But hold steady with your 790 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,240 uptime, which is 645 seven o'clock. 791 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,680 You want to hold steady so that nothing changes in their world. 792 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,120 A lot of things start to sort of change at this age, so they 793 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,680 might be off to childcare or Nana Pop might look after them 794 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,760 for a couple of days. There might be a new baby coming 795 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,400 on the scene and lots of different things happen and we 796 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,800 just want to keep their world really regular, like the site, 797 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,120 like, you know, just everything fairly similar each day. 798 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,160 And we're going to be starting to move towards dropping to one 799 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,760 nap. So we just want to keep 800 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,320 everything really structured and same same. 801 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,440 So if you start like sort of getting them up at 6:00 because 802 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,720 they're waking at 6:00, then they're going to start waking 803 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,040 even earlier in expectation of the six. 804 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,040 So you kind of just want to hold steady with your uptime of seven 805 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,320 because there's a good chance that if they've gone through a 806 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,360 bit of a blip and you know, they started waking early, but that's 807 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,680 traditionally A7 AMR within a week or two, they might go back 808 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,280 to being the seven AMR. In which case if you start 809 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,880 getting them up earlier, you've kind of lost your chance because 810 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,920 now the internal clock has been rewired to start the day 811 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,040 earlier. So keeping that buffer open for 812 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,360 them to hang out in their cot chill, understand that you're 813 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,600 not getting straight up to kick start the day, just gives them 814 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,600 downtime. I think also, if you're not 815 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480 already at 13 months old, this is when we would move. 816 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,560 Make sure you're on the transitional transitional 817 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,280 schedule. Try saying that 10 times fast 818 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,640 because sometimes what can happen is if your baby is still 819 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,680 at this age taking a huge long first nap, let's say 9:30 to 820 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,840 11:00 and then a smaller one in the afternoon that can create 821 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,120 just that slightly earlier start. 822 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,400 I won't even call early rise, but what feels like early rising 823 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,600 because the first nap kind of takes away from the early 824 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,800 morning. And also if you're going into 825 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,320 the night a little bit overtired from being on a long short at 826 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,080 this stage, that also in and of itself can cause things to start 827 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,560 creeping a little bit earlier. So it's always good whenever 828 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,840 there's a change, do an audit. Absolutely. 829 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,960 And then if everything else is lined up, you you don't touch 830 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,360 it. True. 831 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160 And then maybe just one other area, since we're sort of doing 832 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,440 a full order would just be have they got enough calories under 833 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,280 their belt? Because sometimes I will often 834 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,080 see 13 month olds eating less than what they did at 8 months. 835 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,800 You know, at 8 months, you know, when you're spoon feeding, they 836 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,720 just become little birds and they just pick at things because 837 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,440 they're very busy and a lot of walking at this point in time. 838 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000 And so they're just as they're hard to trap in their high tier 839 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,600 for long periods of time. So they sort of turn into more 840 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,240 snackers. So if you if you sort of think, 841 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,040 oh gosh, that's an element, I don't think that they're 842 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,240 necessarily waking up hungry, don't get me wrong. 843 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,080 But there can be some things that you can add into the mix 844 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,160 which might just help them sort of feel a little bit fuller for 845 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,200 a little bit. Longer, I'll take that even one 846 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,800 step further. If you've had a little bit more 847 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,880 of a pickier eater, but have still compensating with milk at 848 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,120 this age, that's also a scenario we see. 849 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,360 We would look at pulling back on the milk to encourage more 850 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,240 solids, which then those calories and nutrition would 851 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:52,720 carry over into the into the night and warmth. 852 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,520 Oh gosh, now it's a whole, it's a whole consult for something 853 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,120 we're not calling early rising. But it's just, it's about having 854 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,560 this checklist in your head of whenever something happens that 855 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,200 feels different, just so that you can go through your own 856 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,840 process of elimination and then feel really comfortable with 857 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,480 this, what's happening and know that it's normal and not 858 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,840 something that we need to fix. Also, it's a very transitional 859 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,760 age as we get closer to the 2 to one nap drop. 860 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,400 We really are. It's this constant balancing act 861 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,080 between how can we hold onto 2 naps whilst for as long as 862 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,040 possible. Sometimes there has to be a 863 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,160 little bit of give and take. So if we can keep the two naps 864 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,720 for as long as possible, but it means we've gone from 7:00 AM to 865 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,640 6:00, AMI would take that over transitioning too early. 866 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,400 And then, oh God, we really got to fix this problem. 867 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,560 So just knowing that part of like the transitional schedule 868 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,120 and this age and stage is sometimes something does have to 869 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,000 give. And for our 6:00 AM is 870 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,520 absolutely worth it if I hold on to those two naps. 871 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,080 Sleep needs change and also not everything is fixed with a 872 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,800 schedule change. Yes. 873 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,960 You know, because quite often there's will will receive 874 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,320 messages, you know, should I move to the schedule? 875 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,800 This is happening, but the audit hasn't been done. 876 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,560 The audit has to be done before you can even consider changing 877 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,680 schedules because when you can change schedules there is a 878 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,800 sleep pressure redistribution or recalibration. 879 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,400 You've got lots of other things that then sort of that stem from 880 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,840 that particular schedule change. So you don't want to just do a 881 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,560 schedule change Willy nilly. You just want to make sure that 882 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,360 you're actually addressing what maybe the challenge or issue is. 883 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:45,840 Yep. OK Beck, what have you got for 884 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,360 our Fast 4 this week? OK, fast 4, Fast 4. 885 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,520 Holy moly, hold on to. This every week because 886 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,800 everyone, I have no idea what's coming at me. 887 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,680 Well, we fire by the seat of our pants over here, particularly 888 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,520 when it comes to Fast 4. These are current hyper 889 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:11,120 fixations, so I'd like to know a couple of them maybe aren't 890 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080 necessarily fixations, but we'll see. 891 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,960 We'll see, because I, we'll see #1 Sally, I want you to tell me 892 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,640 what food you are currently eating on repeat. 893 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,000 Oh OK, I have two things. One is I could order Thai every 894 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,320 single day of the week at the moment. 895 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080 OK, I even have my set order. I will get a Patsy. 896 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,120 You with chicken, a beef Mussman Curry. 897 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,400 I'll even do a red Curry if I'm feeling spicy and a coconut rice 898 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,160 and Curry puffs so that the children can have some. 899 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,680 And also I just I just like a little Curry puff snack and 900 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,520 that'll last me a few days and then I'll like I'll eat. 901 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,000 I could eat a breakfast, lunch and dinner. 902 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,600 So good. That's my and I don't even 903 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,280 really care which restaurant I've never had. 904 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,040 I've never really had a bad Thai order. 905 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,280 I think that's true, whereas Chinese is different. 906 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,040 Hey like you can get some really terrible Chinese but Thai across 907 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,440 the board is usually pretty good. 908 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,240 It's my safe food. You've got a safe biscuit, I've 909 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,360 got a safe food and it's Thai food. 910 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,720 I love it. The next thing I've been doing, 911 00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,120 oh, sorry you didn't ask for a second, but I'm on a hyper 912 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,360 fixation roll, is that I last week got a big fresh baguette 913 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,400 from Baker Blue, which anyone in Melbourne knows Baker Blue and I 914 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,000 had, I just used what was in the fridge. 915 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,600 I had hamburger, Pickles, mustard, salty French butter. 916 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,960 And then I alternated between ham and Turkey or just whatever 917 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,680 I have for children's sandwiches. 918 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,120 And every day I just made the best baguette for lunch. 919 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,160 Oh. My God is it until? 920 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,640 It ran out and then on the last day I toasted it in the sandwich 921 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,520 maker because the bread was a little stale. 922 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,360 It was just as good. So it lasted me. 923 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,400 I didn't get over it. You could then plus or minus, 924 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,760 like add in a tomato. You go to Pete, Cheeky piece of 925 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,200 lettuce that needs to be used. Great, and it goes. 926 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,440 Yeah, now I feel like French Beckett. 927 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,080 So good. Actually, that was the thing 928 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,720 that I asked for when I had Dexter. 929 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,360 That was the first meal I wanted. 930 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,200 Deli ham and Brie cheese, triple cream, Brie cheese and a 931 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,080 baguette. And that's what my husband 932 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:23,680 brought in for. Me. 933 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,760 Oh good, the 1st. Meal so good. 934 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,640 Yeah. My food that I'm eating on 935 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,680 repeat at the moment is either I'm going between beetroot 936 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,480 hummus and chilli and lime hummus. 937 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,760 I'm a creature of habit. I kind of eat the same thing for 938 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,360 breakfast and lunch and I'll have those hyper fixations on 939 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,640 what So what I might have for six months for lunches. 940 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,320 And at the moment it's six months. 941 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,120 Oh yeah. Wow, I love it. 942 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,840 Do you know how? How easy does life become when 943 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,040 you know that you're having beetroot hummus for the next 6 944 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,920 months for lunch? So bloody good. 945 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,640 In the winter, it's cuppa soups. Oh, they're a bit too watery and 946 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,480 chalky for me. Oh no. 947 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,760 You're going to get the water ratio just right. 948 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,600 This is where you're having the cup. 949 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,680 With the rice food, I knew this is where this is going. 950 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,480 Oh my God. Oh my God. 951 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,280 Oh my God. OK. 952 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,160 You know, you know. You know, you know, I now want 953 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,920 to know what show you're obsessed with. 954 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,320 Is there anything that you're watching on Nettie or Stan 955 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,960 Paramount? Hold my beer. 956 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,480 Here we go. No, I don't have free to air. 957 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,080 I do not have free to air. I have been watching. 958 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,600 Yeah. The pet. 959 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:39,840 Love the pet. The pet? 960 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,640 I've never heard of it. Oh, the pet is a it's it's like 961 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,200 OG ER but on steroids and it actually has the ER doctor, the 962 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,880 guy that was a young intern in ER. 963 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,040 He is now the attending the like lead consultant and it's called 964 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,920 the pit because it's the emergency department at big 965 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,480 Pittsburgh hospital and an episode is done like per shift 966 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,040 or like half a anyway. It's so good and sometimes I 967 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,720 watch oh God, this is so nation dirty. 968 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,480 I will watch on TikTok when real life emergency doctors watch it 969 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,800 in real like watch it and or or like watch the pit with me and 970 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,960 my Ed doctor, her husband, so that they pick up on things that 971 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,640 are like they preempt what they're going to do or be like 972 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,800 you'd never do that. And all of these doctors are 973 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,440 like, this show is so spot on. That's awesome. 974 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,640 I love that because. Which is why I like this show 975 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,760 because my dad ruined Grey's Anatomy for me. 976 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,000 Oh, I will throw him under the bus. 977 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,200 He he is a surgeon and I was obsessed with Grey's Anatomy in 978 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,360 senior school and MC Dreamy all the way. 979 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,720 Love love, love, love, love and my dad would like come home from 980 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:56,680 work as I was watching it on free to it by the way, and he 981 00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,520 would like hover and be like you don't run to an emergency. 982 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,600 I'm like, don't someone's kind of LVAD Why? 983 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,600 Of course you run. He's like, if that's unsafe, 984 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,920 that's unsafe. Also, why are those cut sides up 985 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,320 on the bed? You wouldn't use that scalpel. 986 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,680 And I'm like, Oh my God. And then I remember one day I 987 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,960 saw my own dad in scrubs with the like the fluffy hat and 988 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,800 everything. I was like you've it's. 989 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,120 Ruined. Oh, OK, so there's no more Mr 990 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,480 Mcdreamy because my dad is one of those. 991 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,520 Yeah, and he didn't. Nah, it's not, I guess. 992 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,120 I've got to, I've got to say. The Pit. 993 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,880 I also watch Shrinking Love Love Love Shrinking with Harrison 994 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,760 Ford in it. Oh, I do. 995 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,360 Love Harrison Ford then land man. 996 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,440 Oh, I keep hearing all about this. 997 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,040 Later. Yeah. 998 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,680 I think I might have told you about land, man. 999 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,480 So good, so funny, so intense, so dramatic with. 1000 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,040 Was it Tommy Lee? No Amelie Jones one one of those 1001 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,840 guys I know. I never know Pete's name. 1002 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,720 Isn't it the one Angelina Jolie's ex? 1003 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,000 Husband. Yeah, he had the blood in his 1004 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,480 necklace. Yeah. 1005 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,160 What is his name? Tommy. 1006 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,920 Anyway, it's so good. It's so good. 1007 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,120 Yeah, yeah. Slow 4 land man. 1008 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,720 Best ever the I could go on. I watch too much TV. 1009 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,240 The diplomat or the Diplomat's so good. 1010 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,520 I just like another season of that coming back out. 1011 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,240 And then we just started something called, I think it's 1012 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,040 called the Medicine with Michelle Pfeiffer. 1013 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,400 She's such a babe down by the Yellowstone guy. 1014 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,400 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like the most incredible, 1015 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,280 beautiful Montana scenery. Anyway, I better zip it because 1016 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,960 otherwise I will never hear what you're. 1017 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,000 Watching this is the problem is that I can never remember the 1018 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,280 names of the shows that I've been watching so. 1019 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,840 The transcript of this episode, but. 1020 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,880 Yeah, I know. Then I'll have some tips. 1021 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,200 Well, my fall back at the moment is Homeland because I have 1022 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,160 watched it three times before and I just love having a safe 1023 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,480 thing that I know I like. Yeah, yeah, it's good to have 1024 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,720 that. And it's perfect for background. 1025 00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,960 Like sometimes if I'm writing sleep plans, I just need 1026 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,320 something on in the background. Yeah, and yeah. 1027 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,880 So if you ever get references of TV accidentally British and use 1028 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,840 your sleep plans. Yeah, you did subconsciously be 1029 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,760 in there. What else? 1030 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,000 Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm looking forward to. 1031 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000 Oh, my God. OK, I just saw. 1032 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,800 Well, this is what I'm looking forward to. 1033 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,360 If anyone watched Laguna Beach back in the day. 1034 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,760 Yeah. So like Kristin Cavallari and 1035 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:28,720 Lauren. Yeah. 1036 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,760 And then low. Bosworth just had a baby. 1037 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:37,080 I saw that, I saw that they're doing a reunion or like they're 1038 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,000 going back. So it's like kind of been 20 1039 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,520 years and then it was it explains that they're going back 1040 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,240 to sort of revisit some of the scenes and so forth and why it 1041 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,840 was has been really hard for them to talk about it. 1042 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,240 So it's because some of the things. 1043 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,280 That we are the city. Yeah, I loved those shows 1044 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,960 anyway, so I'm really excited about all of that. 1045 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,720 Coming in. Hi, Spidey, Heidi and Spencer. 1046 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,440 Heidi and Spidey, Heidi and Heidi and Spencer. 1047 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,080 That's right. Spencer is. 1048 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,920 Yeah. Interesting. 1049 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,920 I still follow all of them. Like, like I, I still feel like 1050 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,000 I'm 23 or 24 all over again. It's crazy. 1051 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,960 I will digress, though. I think maybe we might have to 1052 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,960 save some of these other questions for another round. 1053 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,160 OK, that's fine. Because I feel like. 1054 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,560 Otherwise going to have a fixate on this question exactly anyway. 1055 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,040 Let's roll. Well, that was the first that 1056 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,000 was. The first one you really do know 1057 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,840 how to nail wrapping. Up the sequence. 1058 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,000 This is where she usually gives me 3 slow blinks to say Sally 1059 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,240 over to you and then I see her smirk to the side of like oops. 1060 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,160 Oh my goodness. I'm just giving everyone your 1061 00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,880 tell. If anyone's watching this now, 1062 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,120 you'll all be on the lookout. We'll start a drinking game for 1063 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,920 every time. Oh, my God. 1064 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,440 OK, well, you know, like, because like, it's like when 1065 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,960 your social battery just dies and you've got nothing left, and 1066 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,800 then you're sort of like. So if anyone listens to any of 1067 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,600 the previous episodes, you'll just hear me. 1068 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,600 Just go. Yeah, absolutely. 1069 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,720 And then you know. That she's bored of me with. 1070 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,440 I'm done, I'm done. I don't know how to wrap it up. 1071 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,200 And then Sally does her magic and then ties it all together. 1072 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,760 And Speaking of, thank you so much for tuning in this week to 1073 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,360 Nap Trapped. Hopefully we have helped you 1074 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,520 troubleshoot a lot of the real life baby sleep issues that we 1075 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,360 come across and that everyday families just like yours are 1076 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,480 experiencing. There is always better sleep 1077 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,600 possible and we are here to help. 1078 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:45,160 We are also here to have a good old chat about food and TV and 1079 01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,120 we will see you next week to do it all again. 1080 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,560 Beth needs to go and recharge. Hi. 1081 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,560 How on earth did you do that? Like dust off the cover. 1082 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,720 It's a gift. It's a gift. 1083 01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,640 Gift. It's a gift.