1 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,600 Another week, another episode of Nap Trapped. 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,960 Beck, you and I are going to base today's episode on a great 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,520 question that came through in the snooze membership by one of 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,760 our members who has also done Camp Snooze with us. 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,000 So she wrote a question in the forum yesterday and you messaged 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,200 me and said this is great for a podcast episode. 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,480 We have been inspired. We have, absolutely. 8 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,600 This is perfect for our listeners because it's going to 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,120 happen to mostly everyone, I guess, at some point. 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,280 Absolutely, absolutely. The the way that the message 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,040 starts is it's a little bit of fan mail to it, says one warm 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,840 and fuzzy note and she said my baby and I were out and about 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,960 recently when I spotted a lady and little boy who looked very 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,080 familiar after a double take. I am sure I recognised her from 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,280 the video calls. I asked if they'd been in the 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,920 same intake Camp snoozes us and it was. 17 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,240 And then she says the mum and the baby's name. 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 We've exchanged numbers and we are hoping to catch up. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,040 We also had a lovely little chin wag about how much Camp Snooze 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,640 has changed our lives and I thought you'd like to hear 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,120 about. That, that's so lovely. 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,160 That's so. Huge just knowing like that 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:27,000 these, yes, IRL in real life Camp Snooze, but this is the 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,600 village. And I think this is the thing 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,600 that even you and I weren't necessarily expecting when we 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,040 started Camp Snooze was that there is actually more to it 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,360 than just you and I sitting on one side of the screen saying do 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,960 XY and Z tonight, drop feeds here, time the nap there and off 29 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,520 you go. There is a community solidarity 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,760 village. Everyone stays on to listen to 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,920 each other, to learn from each other, but also to cheer. 32 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,560 So you might see someone had a really tricky couple of nights 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,040 and then we will bring you to the front and centre of the call 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,280 to celebrate when your baby just pulled out an 8 hour stretch and 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,720 a 5 minute self settle at bedtime and everyone is there to 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,640 support you and cheer you on. And so knowing that that's 37 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,200 translated into real life is just so beautiful. 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,160 I know it's so lovely. I think it's just so nice for 39 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,720 the snoozers, like the camp snoozers to to get that feeling 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,200 of there are so many people in the same boat. 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,560 You know, everyone is feeling that sleep is really tricky. 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:34,200 We can do this together and the aspect that we love is that when 43 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,800 they stay on and they hear the next stage, you know, from like 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,880 you were saying before, like they're learning from the other 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,120 campus because, you know, they might have a six month old, but 46 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,040 there's a nine month old experiencing lots of different 47 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,080 issues compared to them. But potentially they're going to 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,400 be experiencing them as they get older and they're learning how 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,240 to navigate that in advance of. So I there's just, there's so 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,680 many benefits to the camp and yeah, I probably didn't expect 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,160 or anticipate that kind of real world experience for the 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,640 campers. It's free. 53 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:09,680 It's really special, isn't it? Yeah. 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,880 I've been stopped in the street by someone who was, who had then 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,000 has subsequently done camp snooze with us and she stopped 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,400 me and said I'm, I've actually signed off. 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,240 I started, you know, however, in a week or so and that was 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,520 really, really lovely. I think it was behind screens so 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,240 much or behind Mike's content creating and to just know the 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,560 actual effect that it has, and even more so than the Great 61 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,160 Slave, I think is just really, really special to us. 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Which Lambian to the Stockton Port Macquarie? 63 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,520 I'm still yet to. I need a pop. 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Of crying. Never. 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:53,360 Yeah, recruiting, recruiting. All right, so let's now get into 66 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,600 her question, she said. So I'm looking to start phasing 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,040 out breastfeeding once my baby turns one in a couple of weeks, 68 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,760 but I'd love to minimise any impact this might have on her 69 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 naps and overnight sleep. She doesn't take a bottle and 70 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,360 we've tried a few different sippy cups and straw cups with 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,280 cow's milk, but she'll usually only take a sip or two before 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,600 losing interest. How would you recommend 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,480 approaching the transition and phasing breastfeeding out as 74 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,440 gently as possible? When phasing out breastfeeding 75 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,960 is taking a substitute for this essential to ensure she is full 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,760 during her naps and. Sleep Oh this is such a great 77 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200 question and when I read it I was like so many people are 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,200 going to benefit from the answer to this. 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,440 I would have benefited from the answer to this because I just 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,480 made it up as I went along once I. 81 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,440 Oh, did you? More so with my first and then 82 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,200 with my second. I felt a little bit confident 83 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,880 that it all worked out, but I sort of, yeah, I just kind of 84 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:54,320 created my own system. Oh yeah, I guess most people do, 85 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,280 don't they? Because it's not like a lot of 86 00:04:56,280 --> 00:05:00,000 families are just winging things and hoping for the best. 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,360 And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, we'll try again 88 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,120 another time. Whereas I had a system in place 89 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,520 obviously because I'd done this with other children, other 90 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,320 parents, babies, like as a nanny. 91 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,040 So I kind of just knew what I needed to do industry. 92 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,680 Also, you're the systems queen. You are, I am the queen of 93 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,880 systems. But I think the other tricky 94 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,040 thing is, is that once you have a system and it makes sense, 95 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,320 then it it, it's very quote unquote easy to follow. 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,440 I think what can be hard is when you go online looking for advice 97 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,800 around weaning, breastfeeding and sleep. 98 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,560 There's just so much conflicting advice, like all things. 99 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,520 Yes. All things baby that you can 100 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:43,400 feel a bit lost and muddied and confused and you know you've 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,800 already you know in this scenario, you know how hard 102 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,080 you've already worked on on baby sleep and it's all working. 103 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,080 The last thing you also then want to do is upset the sleep 104 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,160 aspect on top of weaning feeds. So it can be confusing. 105 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,600 Yeah. And I think in this scenario, 106 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,840 it's easy for us to know that all calories have been 107 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,920 redistributed and through the day beautifully. 108 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:11,440 So this this particular mom, we know with certainty that we've 109 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,360 got great milk feeds going in at certain times of the day. 110 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:21,680 So they would be at 7:00 AM one 30 and then around 6:30. 111 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,160 And we also know with certainty that we've got incredible solids 112 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,680 going in and that would be at 8 o'clock 12:00 and and five. 113 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,800 And there's potentially snaps going in there as well. 114 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,120 So like we've got the confidence to be able to tell this 115 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,440 particular parent and any other parent that's in this sort of 116 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,480 like this situation, how to wean those feeds confidently and 117 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,400 easily. I guess the difference is if we 118 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:55,000 have, you know, someone that may not have great feeds in through 119 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,120 the day because they're feeding overnight and so forth. 120 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,360 And like how then does one do that? 121 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,720 So I guess what we would, I, I think how we sort of 122 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,440 troubleshoot this particular episode is sort of banking on 123 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,960 the idea that, you know, you've listened to some of our podcast 124 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,320 episodes and you've listened to how we anchor our feeds in. 125 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,560 And you've kind of you're following the sort of suggested 126 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,880 routines that we've put in place for, you know, age groups and so 127 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,320 forth. And that potentially you're 128 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,560 still, you're also following these meal time suggestions as 129 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,120 well. So how it would normally work is 130 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,800 somewhere between 11 and 12 months. 131 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,200 At this point, we're down to three feeds through the day. 132 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,360 So for the most part, your your child is going to be sleeping 133 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,200 through the night. I would imagine at this age, 134 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,000 it's just blanket call it. Yeah, yeah. 135 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,840 And we know that this baby is definitely and there's no feeds 136 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,520 in the night, but for this case study, this baby is sleeping 137 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,800 through the night with no fees. So when we get to 11 to 12 138 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,320 months, we're starting to sort of look at phasing the middle of 139 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,360 the day milk feed out. And that's because we from 12 140 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,240 months onwards there is a shift from breast milk or formula 141 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,000 needs to be the main nutritional element. 142 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,040 It switches to solids then become the main nutritional 143 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,120 element. So we're in preparation for sort 144 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,480 of moving to the 12 month stage. We can start being curious in 145 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,800 terms of can we start reducing the middle of the day milk feed 146 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,960 because we're looking we don't need as many milk calories to 147 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,720 support the actual art of falling asleep and staying 148 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,840 asleep. Usually at this point in time, 149 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,600 our little ones have got a really great system in place 150 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,720 within their internal body clock that registers that this nap is 151 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,240 happening at this particular time. 152 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,440 And I'm kind of sleeping predictably for X amount of time 153 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,720 for the nap, which would be typically, I don't know, 123 or 154 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,800 1:30 to like 2 to 3:30 depending on what nap your schedule you're 155 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,600 on. And it just means that we can 156 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:06,360 reduce and eliminate it over the course of a month in the lead up 157 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,240 to 12 months so that you're not sort of doing this big drastic 158 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,920 sort of, oh, we're cutting that out. 159 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,000 And then babies like, what the hell? 160 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,280 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,960 So whether that's milk via a bottle or a breastfeed, you 162 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,560 would just start whittling it down. 163 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:25,000 So instead of offering two breasts before the nap, it might 164 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,760 be 1 1/2, then one, then half, and then by the time you're 12 165 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,640 months it's sort of gone. And the same with a bottle. 166 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,640 You might just whittle that down. 167 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,480 You know, from 180 mils to 16140, you get the gist. 168 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,680 It's sort of quite explains itself and you don't need to 169 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:46,800 necessarily do anything at that point because your solids have 170 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,760 been prior to the milk feed anyway. 171 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,600 So there should be a really ample amount of solids going in. 172 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,240 If you were a little bit unsure if you want like you know, 173 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,600 calorie wise, you can absolutely up the calories at lunchtime. 174 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,760 So if you had like, I don't know, beef casserole or 175 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,400 spaghetti Bolognese or you might have had toasted sandwiches or 176 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,560 something like that at that age for lunch, you can always add 177 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:12,720 more fruit and yoghurt and rice cakes and that kind of thing in 178 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,160 just to sort of top up the tank if you will. 179 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,800 But typically your nap doesn't change it. 180 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,960 There shouldn't be a switch in how long your little 1 sleeps 181 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:30,040 for because it changes from sleep being the catalyst for 182 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,320 your little one being able to sleep and sleep well. 183 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,800 Two, solids need to be the main focus to fuel your baby and your 184 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,440 toddler up. So we have to be able to 185 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,640 createspace for more solids to go in because they are getting 186 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,560 bigger and older and they're expending more energy and 187 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:48,280 they're on the go. They're so busy. 188 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,040 We've got to keep up with them nutrient wise as well. 189 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,600 Can I add one of the common scenarios we also see somewhere 190 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,640 between 11 and 12 months is that if they're following the 191 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,200 timings, the plan, the feeds and all of that, is that that pre 192 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:09,000 nap bottle often naturally starts to whittle down itself 193 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,680 because they've tanked up on this great big lunch. 194 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,520 And understandable, understandably, sometimes 195 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,360 parents think, oh does, is that a problem? 196 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,360 Do I need to pull back on lunch solids because that bottle's 197 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,040 taken a hit? This would be a really normal 198 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,560 thing for us to see and let it play out. 199 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:32,360 As we get closer to 12 months, the more lunch because we're 200 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,560 having at first the tummy is full and then the appetite is 201 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:39,000 reduced, and that's OK at this age and stage. 202 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,240 At six months, it's a whole different story. 203 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,880 We're going whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 204 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,640 We're going from 4 tablespoons to 2 tablespoons. 205 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,440 We need to get that breastfeed or that bottle feedback into the 206 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,840 mix. But somewhere between 11 and 12 207 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,480 months, that's a really normal thing on our scheduling to 208 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,200 experience. And it doesn't mean that there's 209 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,640 something wrong, because, as Beck's just been outlining, 210 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,000 somewhere from 12 months onwards, we'd be looking to drop 211 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,480 that milk feed in the middle of the day anyway. 212 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,840 Correct. So you're, I guess that's the 213 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 first place that you start. You start with your, your nap 214 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,640 feed and you're like the middle of the day feed. 215 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,560 And then from there I guess from you can kind of just work with 216 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,520 your own pace. And I think sometimes we're 217 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,400 guided as well by how much solids your little one is taking 218 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,720 at breakfast time. So at say 12 months onwards, 219 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,440 anytime from here, you can start thinking about reducing and 220 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,520 eliminating the first feed of the day or simply shifting it. 221 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,960 Sometimes in preparation for dropping that feed, I will 222 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,480 switch it out from milk first to solids first. 223 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,280 So when they hit 12 months, I will encourage families to do 224 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,840 solids first and then straight after that. 225 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,160 If they wanted to do a breastfeed, then they could, or 226 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,000 a bottle feed that goes straight in after after that. 227 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 And typically what you start to see is a reduction in how much 228 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,640 they're drinking at that particular time because they're 229 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,880 so chalkers from breakfast. Yeah, they've just had three 230 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,760 wheat beaks, 1/2 a banana and some full fat yoghurt. 231 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,840 The breastfeed is just, you know, a little chop up. 232 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,720 Exactly. So that could be a little bit of 233 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,840 an organic switch to having less milk and then the body starts to 234 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,280 recognise that not so much milk is being required. 235 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,360 So then your supply starts to drop down. 236 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,040 You can reduce the amount of milk in your bottle and 237 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,360 essentially what then translates is a bigger appetite for your 238 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,520 snacks and that lunchtime feed is like the lunchtime meal as 239 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,680 well, and you kind of just keep going from there. 240 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:46,400 With that morning feed, you can start whittling it down again. 241 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,720 At some point, you might want to go cold Turkey. 242 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,440 I typically encourage families to, if they're wanting to 243 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,360 actively wane anytime between 12 and 13 months, I think you can 244 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,000 take your time. You can go cold Turkey. 245 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,040 At that point, however you want to do it is totally fine. 246 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:09,520 And I personally keep the final milk feed in the mix for a 247 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,600 really long time. Like I try I keep the milk feed 248 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,560 in for like eternity if they. Yeah, for me, for me it's 249 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,840 becomes ritual and comfort versus calories that were being 250 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,360 that are being relied on 1st overnight sleep. 251 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:32,440 So I am more than happy for a parent to decide to keep that 252 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,640 final breastfeed or that final bottle feed before bed till the 253 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,240 cows come home. Pardon the milk pan. 254 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,840 The you know, like if, if I work with a 2 year old that's still 255 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,920 having a butt for me, that's just like big whoop, no drama so 256 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,680 long as we're brushing teeth after and you can that's up to 257 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,560 you. I don't need to micromanage that 258 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,520 at all. I do you think one of the keys 259 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,840 to just to go back to what you were saying about the switching 260 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,440 the breastfeed and it would be the same breastfeed or bottle 261 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,960 feed to then going into breakfast solids. 262 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,480 Sometimes it can feel a little bit, particularly if there's 263 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,880 ritual around. So use me, for example, a baby, 264 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,040 my baby would wake and my husband would bring them into my 265 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,480 bed and we'd have a breastfeed in bed. 266 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,440 And that was the ritual for months and months and months on 267 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,960 end. And so I thought, okay, it's 268 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,600 going to be very tricky for me to have this baby brought into 269 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,160 bed with me and for me to essentially keep my top on. 270 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,400 And but we're still they, they just, they don't understand the 271 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,360 change. And So what I decided to do was 272 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,520 we're just going to get up and we're going to have a complete 273 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,280 change of scenery. We went straight into the 274 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,480 kitchen. I had one of those kitchen 275 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,680 cooking towers. They could hold themselves up in 276 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,360 there. And we sort of just participated 277 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,640 in making breakfast first. So it was a complete change in 278 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,960 the ritual. And neither of my babies will 279 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 like wait chlorine at my chest or anything. 280 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,320 They were like, wow, this is exciting. 281 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,600 I'm going to press the button on the smoothie machine or 282 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,080 something like that. And then I found that that was 283 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,320 key for me, but even for myself, because it's a big change to go 284 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,360 from offering that milk feed. And sometimes it can feel a bit 285 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,560 emotional even if you are ready. Yeah. 286 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:32,960 And it is still a change. And it can feel a bit sad for 287 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,440 your mornings to look. It's, it's such a little moment 288 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,600 of comfort for everyone. And so I knew I needed to just 289 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,720 go and do something different so that I weaned myself out of that 290 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,960 as well, even though I was so ready. 291 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,320 I was like, I'm ready to be done with breastfeeding. 292 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,920 But it, it, I needed to coach my, I needed to wean. 293 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,040 I needed to wean. Yeah. 294 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,240 And I found that to be a really helpful strategy. 295 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,160 And my babies never, ever looked back. 296 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,520 Yeah, I, it's, it is hard. It's because it is ritual and 297 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,960 everyone's used to it and it's going into the unknown. 298 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,640 Like like we always say with anything sort of sleep related 299 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,560 or you know, go moving to, into something the unknown can sort 300 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,839 of cause a little bit of anxiety and a little bit of stress. 301 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:20,079 But you kind of need to use your distraction tools like the 302 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:23,760 maximum to maximum effects. So I encourage families to think 303 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,920 about what's your toddler's favourite breakfast? 304 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,520 Is it, was it rice bubbles? Yeah. 305 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,520 So that would be just going straight into whatever the 306 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,480 favourite bricky is just to sort of go, I know we're not doing 307 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,480 this, but here something amazing. 308 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,840 So, so that would be tip #1 for that. 309 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,520 I think that it, it can be tricky because you're starting 310 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,240 the day on a different foot and sometimes it'll go well and 311 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,680 sometimes it won't. And I think it's just 312 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,640 repetition. So we're not saying that this is 313 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,560 just going to be super easy and breezy. 314 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:02,360 Some children detest change, like they really resist and 315 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:05,960 they're super unhappy about it. But if you've made the decision 316 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,960 not to carry on with the feeding for the morning, then at the 317 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,880 easiest way around, well that the best way around minimising 318 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:22,640 tears is to be really consistent and use the deviation tools and 319 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,560 distraction tools and follow through. 320 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,640 And, you know, do that morning after morning until that becomes 321 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,440 the new pattern, the new routine, the new rhythm. 322 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,760 It's like any change though, like we're getting rid of the 323 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,320 dummy, we're going to make sure that there's not a dummy inside. 324 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,840 So if you're a bottle feeder, I would make sure that the tinner 325 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,440 formula or the EBM storage bags, the bottles are nowhere to be 326 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,960 seen. So that if you go and open the 327 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,400 pantry to make the wheat bags, your 12 month old isn't like, 328 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,200 oh, there's a bottle bottle. I'll have one of those please, 329 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,840 if it's still on the menu, just sort of out of sight, out of 330 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,400 mind for everyone. And they are still definitely 331 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,000 natural pattern seekers. And it's like making any change. 332 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,320 It's you just become the unflappable leader and guide 333 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,080 them every single day that this is the new way and it's here to 334 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,200 stay. And it's no big deal. 335 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,760 Like you're allowed to be grizzly or you're allowed to be 336 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,760 curious or whatever it is about the change. 337 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,000 And it's your steady confidence that will that will make this 338 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,680 become a very small blip on the radar, if it's even a blip at 339 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,040 all. I will say full transfer. 340 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,280 It was not a blip for for me and my babies, but I also didn't 341 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,600 have, even though I breastfeed exclusively for a long, long 342 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,000 time, I none of my babies were ever that absolutely obsessed 343 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,040 with the breast. They were always very efficient. 344 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,320 We had a great breastfeeding relationship. 345 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,240 They took what they needed and they're like, cool, thanks. 346 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,320 I'm done. I'm onto something else. 347 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,640 Whereas some it's it's, it can be a little bit more feeling 348 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,200 like they're attached to the breast a lot more than that for 349 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,320 different families. But it can also go the same way 350 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,680 it did for me, which was like, oh, I just swapped in breakfast 351 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,800 and they never asked for it. Great, done. 352 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:16,200 When it comes to the feeds, I don't tend to swap out, so I 353 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:22,000 don't swap the breast milk or the formula for follow on for 354 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,320 me. I mean, it's completely up to 355 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,920 you if you wanted to do that it I don't think it's necessary 356 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 unless maybe you've got like a chaos milk protein intolerance, 357 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,800 in which case you might want to substitute with something else. 358 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:41,520 But I don't feel like you need to take say, the morning 359 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,480 breastfeed out and then put say a cereal and with milk like you 360 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,120 can if you want to and your child like enjoys the cereal and 361 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:51,720 the milk. Although you needed to add in a 362 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,920 toddler formula. Yeah. 363 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Into a sippy cup. I, I have never done that. 364 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,080 If I always say to families, if you would like to add in some 365 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,000 milk, if you've been advised by your GP or maternal child health 366 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,200 nurse to add in from a calcium perspective, you just either 367 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,640 serve that sippy cup with breakfast or again you, if 368 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,400 you're still got the bottle of the breastfeed, you do it after 369 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,520 and then and that's your weaning. 370 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,600 But I I never assumed to substitute it as such. 371 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,400 I guess the bedtime bottle or the bedtime breastfeed that we 372 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,080 have as part of our bedtime ritual and you know wind down I 373 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,320 think for families that are wanting to wean that. 374 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,880 So when a breastfeed particularly I think is maybe 375 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720 this mum is sort of looking for tips on how to do that because 376 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,560 while the other two can just go and they disappear and we don't 377 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,880 have to. Really think about and it gets 378 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,320 absorbed into the excitement of the day and we just move on to 379 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,880 the next year. There is a very different cosy 380 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,960 comfort ritual factor about that final feed in the even if it's 381 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,760 still down out in the lounge it's it is very different. 382 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,120 I agree. And that can be a bit of a work 383 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,080 in progress. This is probably the tricky one 384 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,480 where if you're like, if you're wanting to still have milk as 385 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,240 part of the final bedtime routine, but you don't want to 386 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,880 breastfeed anymore, you've got to find a way to encourage the 387 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,280 sippy cup or the bottle or, you know, something else to get your 388 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,920 little one feeling like this is a great substitute. 389 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,520 I'm going to there's no more breasts, but I'm going to have 390 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,560 my sippy cup of milk and that's going to tie me over. 391 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,920 So this is a little tricky one, but it could be that it could be 392 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,440 that if you haven't served a lot of milk before, you know, lots 393 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,040 of families don't really need to. 394 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,040 It could be that you do use a little bit of cereal, like 395 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,520 through the day and you put milk into your toddler's cereal so 396 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,600 that they start to sort of get a taste for it. 397 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Or, you know, if you're using, if you've decided to move away 398 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,440 from breast milk and you want to have that final milk feed as as 399 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,840 a follow on formula, I don't know, like, however you kind of 400 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,120 want to do it. I guess you could put it into 401 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:10,120 the cereal of a morning just to create a non pressured taste for 402 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,560 it. So they're kind of exposing 403 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,880 themselves to, oh, this is what cows milk tastes like. 404 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,400 I actually enjoy it in my cereal. 405 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,840 This is what the follow on formula feel tastes like. 406 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,000 It's in my cereal in the morning. 407 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,520 I guess you get the gist. But then when it comes to, you 408 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,480 know, at bedtime and you're taking the burb away and you're 409 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,000 trying to offer the sippy cup of cow's milk or formula or 410 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,800 whatever it might be, it's repetition again. 411 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,600 Like we don't necessarily expect them to sort of go, oh, Yum, so 412 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,640 good. I'm going to happily give up the 413 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,680 breasts and I'm going to go straight into this. 414 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,840 It's completely different. Yeah, it's hard. 415 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,160 And again, this is just that there can just be a repetition 416 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,600 moment to it where you might have to strap in like where the 417 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,040 tightest bra you own, you know, if you're not going to offer the 418 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,320 breastfeed and then just keep having the milk out and it's 419 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,800 available. And they'll be, you know, they 420 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,800 might sort of decline 10 times in a row and, you know, 10 421 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480 bedtimes might feel a little bit tricky and there hasn't been any 422 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000 milk. But the key to remember is that 423 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,520 the milk is not the catalyst for your little one sleeping through 424 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280 the night anymore. Your little one has got the 425 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,960 amazing ability to self settle. Their internal clock is not 426 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040 wired to expect calories overnight. 427 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960 They're not going to wake because there isn't a final milk 428 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,920 feed involved. And if they do, the waking is 429 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,120 not hunger related. No, no, no, genuine hunger 430 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,600 related. I think that's a really 431 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,200 important message. I again to outline how I did it. 432 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,880 I sometimes feel like the more the more sort of intermediary 433 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,400 steps, sometimes I feel like the more confused I was going to 434 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,680 feel. So I had whittled it down. 435 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,240 We were just down to that final breastfeed the 30 minutes before 436 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,720 bed and I knew that my babies could self settle and sleep 437 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,560 through the night regardless. Like they did not rely on a milk 438 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,480 feed to fall asleep. And so I know for this mother 439 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,720 that's asking the original question, that skill set is 440 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680 there regardless of the milk feed. 441 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,320 So yeah, it's a different kettle of fish when we're trying to 442 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,960 wean a feed to sleep association. 443 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,760 That's not what this scenario is. 444 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,880 It's just, well, we've still got 1 still in the mix. 445 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,560 That's part of the pre bed ritual. 446 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,920 And I remember I got one night maybe at like 14-15 months and 447 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,920 we're just down to that one. And I looked at the 448 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,840 breastfeeding chair and I just thought, I can't sit there 449 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,400 again. I can't do it. 450 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,200 I'm done. This was baby #2 we'd had a 451 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,520 great 15 months and I just sent my husband in and I just thought 452 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,440 he. Everyone is used to the rest of 453 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,560 the ritual, like this is just one part of the whole bedtime 454 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,680 routine. There are all of these other 455 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,560 associations that are going to do the heavy lifting for me, 456 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,000 such as the white noise, the timing, the sleep pressure, the 457 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,560 sleeping bag, the the stories, the song, the, the environment, 458 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,920 the dark light, the deep squeeze, cuddle, the sleepy 459 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,960 phrase that I, I am just going to be curious to see. 460 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,520 And it was actually always me. I probably overthinking it. 461 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,000 All of these. The baby didn't turn a hair. 462 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,960 The baby was like. Funny how that happened. 463 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Yeah. And again, maybe it's just case, 464 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,000 you know, case by case. There's definitely, there's 465 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440 definitely different temperaments and whatnot. 466 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,480 But I was, I was probably more concerned about it than my baby 467 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,720 ever gave any concern about it, if that makes sense. 468 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,680 As in, I was more anxious than they were. 469 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,160 They weren't anxious at all. They're just like, OK, I'll go 470 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280 nice. I think isn't that like the way 471 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,560 that we do things, we catastrophize things so that we 472 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,720 can build resilience around what might happen. 473 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,520 So we're pre empting it all so that then we kind of have some 474 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,040 strategies of like, OK, if that happens and I'm going to do this 475 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,840 if this happens and anything less than that is like a huge 476 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,000 win or a bonus. Yeah, and I also think we also 477 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,440 just want to always do the best by our babies. 478 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,240 We don't want things to feel extreme. 479 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,200 I see, you know, the mum was writing as gently as possible. 480 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,640 We are always wanting to do things both for ourselves and 481 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:25,080 and mostly for our babies as easy, gently, conscientiously as 482 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440 possible and this is no different. 483 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,960 And so I, I was sort of, that's all. 484 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,680 We have never worked with families that don't have that as 485 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,440 the centre of every decision they have ever made. 486 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,880 And weaning out the final feed is, is no exception. 487 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,040 So I think by staggering it to say we've dropped the milk, feed 488 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,720 it at lunchtime, we've done the switcheroo for breakfast solids 489 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840 to then maybe still offering a breastfeed. 490 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520 Actually, no, now we're going to drop that breastfeed and just 491 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,640 move straight into the morning activity. 492 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,520 We're off to the park. We're going to have a baby 493 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,920 Chino. That's exciting. 494 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,840 That's a new milestone when that comes into the repertoire. 495 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,880 And then before you, you're in. The marshmallow. 496 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,640 Yeah, yes, they're saying Chino, Chino, Chino every single day. 497 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,480 I think that also then gives you the confidence that when you do 498 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,920 decide ultimately one night, OK, I'm not going to offer the final 499 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,320 breastfeed or the final bottle before bed, you've seen that. 500 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,480 It's all worked out beautifully. No big drama for those other two 501 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,240 feeds. This is just the final step. 502 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,000 And if you've already got an incredible little sleeper like 503 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,880 this mother does, then you can just rely on on that. 504 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,200 Those sleep skills will not vanish because you've taken out 505 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600 that final feed. There are some babies that might 506 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,600 think something is a little bit different here. 507 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,360 That's OK. We make change constantly. 508 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,040 That's where, again, you are the unflappable leader. 509 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,480 You use your technique. You don't bring anything else 510 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,120 into the mix. You do not panic, you do not 511 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,520 spiral. You just say, hey, I know 512 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,440 something changed. It would be the same if you're 513 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,240 on holidays. Yep, I know the room looks 514 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,840 different. We're not going to do anything 515 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240 different. You've got this and that's is 516 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,080 what is going to guide you through. 517 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,920 So drop the lunch one first. You can whittle it down 518 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,760 somewhere between 11 and 12 months. 519 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,920 Tank up lunch solids if you need to and then confidently drop 520 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,800 that. Then at 12 months, we're going 521 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,120 to go in with breakfast solids first and then you either offer 522 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,720 the milk feed straight after or you can just drop it as well. 523 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,000 And then when you are ready, you can go ahead and drop the pre 524 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,960 bed breastfeed or bottle feed and you just rely on all these 525 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,800 other amazing sleep associations and rituals and self settling 526 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 skills. And this is what it is to future 527 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,160 proof sleep. This is what Beck and I bang on 528 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,080 about all the time. We're not just making change 529 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,360 with a feed to sleep association at six months from a OK, well, 530 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,760 that's what we do when we sleep train. 531 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,480 It's so that as all of these ongoing moments, milestones, 532 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,560 pivots happen, it doesn't just feel all or nothing for everyone 533 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,960 involved. It's all just setting up ongo 534 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,680 for ongoing success. And then you drop that feed. 535 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,520 You rely on the skill set they've already got you resettle 536 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,120 with confidence if needed. I'm going to tell you, probably 537 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,000 not going to need it at all. Have a plan and before you know 538 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000 it, nobody's looking back. Just like if you decided to get 539 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,760 rid of the dummy. Just like if you've decided to 540 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,200 eat in a sleeping bag for the first time and they think, what 541 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,440 is this? You just guide them through it 542 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,000 and and also look after yourself. 543 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,480 If these feels emotional, be gentle with yourself as well. 544 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,160 And I think we should also say that depending on supply, 545 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,440 there's always sometimes a need for a bit of breast care and to 546 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,360 reach out if you need a lactation consultant. 547 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,920 We don't want anyone getting mastitis. 548 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,560 The beauty of this this slower wean though, you know, starting 549 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:02,320 from 11 months onwards, is that your supply has a lot of time to 550 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800 adjust. So we minimise that as well from 551 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,520 a breastfeeding perspective. And it can be taken at your own 552 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,480 pace. Like that is, you know, the 553 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,760 biggest message is that you, you, you've got permission to 554 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,920 start, as you know, anywhere between 11 and 12 months. 555 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,240 But you take it at your own pace, whatever feels comfortable 556 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000 for you. There's no rules around how long 557 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,240 you need to keep or, you know, stop the breast, the bedtime 558 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,240 feed. Like, as long as it's working 559 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,280 for you, it's totally fine with us. 560 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,680 No, you go. I just got excited. 561 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,480 No no no, I was just saying I think my kids had their like 562 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,680 bedtime bottle or bedtime cup of milk until they were probably 5 563 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,840 each. Still offers. 564 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,120 Part of the. Ritual in the bath like that 565 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,560 became our our ritual from toddlers. 566 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,720 We do a smooth in the bath, a little bit of a top up and in 567 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,280 the bath. So it's not too messy for me. 568 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,960 But what I was also going to say is, yes, this would be our plan 569 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,960 of how we of how we wean it if we also always look at well, 570 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,600 what is happening around sleep. If you are really content with 571 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,480 still breastfeeding first thing in the morning and then offering 572 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,000 breakfast and there is nothing wrong with sleep. 573 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,240 We're not looking to make change. 574 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,320 You're happy, there's no problems. 575 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,280 This is in response to the question of I'm looking to 576 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120 Wayne. How would I do this at this age? 577 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,680 Yeah. OK, I love that question and. 578 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,840 Yes, I'm. It's an exciting, yeah, it can 579 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,920 be an exciting and sort of like liberating. 580 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840 Yeah. But also it can feel a bit 581 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,760 fragile. So we see you and we back your 582 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,040 baby and her skills and you will do this in a beautiful way. 583 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,920 Amazing. Well done. 584 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,680 All right everyone, we will see you next week on Nap Trapped. 585 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,920 Bye. Catch you later, bye.