1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,320 Thank you so much. I've shared your podcast with 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:09,760 all my baby bum friends and I've got some people messaging me 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,880 saying that things have really improved for the bitter and so 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,600 I'm just evangelising to everyone. 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,400 And so I just wanted to say a huge, huge thank you to your 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,320 Beck because. Our our life. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Is just so much bitter and with all all your advice so thank you 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:38,360 so so much. Beck, you and I got some really 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,040 beautiful fan mail during the week and we thought that we 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:47,040 might share it with the Nap Trapped community If you'd lend 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,320 an ear as we. Just. 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,520 Indulge ourselves. But this came from a lady who 13 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,720 did our camp snooze. So that's how two weeks of 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,440 virtual group sleep training together. 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,480 She was in our second intake and I remember when she first 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,319 inquired she was in arming and arming about whether or not to 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,480 do it before a big trip to Vietnam or to just grin and bear 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,120 it and save it for when we were after. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,120 And I'd sort of said it's totally up to you, but there's 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,760 no time like the presents, just getting better sleep and then 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,960 let the good times roll. So anyway, she messaged us to 22 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:22,840 say hi. Beck and Sally, I just want to 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,240 say thank you so much for the camp's news. 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,440 I'm so glad that I listened to Sally's advice and decided to 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,760 camp's news before the travel. I just wanted to report back and 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,880 how amazing it was for us. Now we are travelling. 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,920 Avery is a true champion and we just created a great little 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,480 sleeper. She did an amazing on 8 hour day 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,960 flight from Sydney to Malaysia and then we're supposed to have 30 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,480 a one hour layover connecting flight to Vietnam. 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,560 It was delayed for two hours. She goes on to say. 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Fast forward, we arrived to the hotel at 9:00 PM local time, set 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,520 up the Porta cott, we gave her an extra feed and then she 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,800 proceeded to sleep for seven hours straight and woke around 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,280 4:00 AM local time, which was her usual wake up time at home. 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,960 They've she writes about how they've been able to do contact 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,680 naps and naps on the go but always tried to prioritise being 38 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,480 back at the hotel for the nap. 2 and the irony being that this 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,280 baby who was eight months when we were working together and a 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,280 chronic contact Napa would not sleep independently. 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Never heard of self settling, no interest in it. 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,040 Actually now prefers to nap in the cot, she says. 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Can you believe it? As a serial contact pass Serial 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,880 contact nappers. Some days naps are a bit wobbly 45 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,600 as we are at exploring but she still sleeps solidly 11 to 11 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,320 half hours overnight. You ladies are the legends now. 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,040 We are enjoying our time here. We're well rested and happy. 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,520 Thank you so much and sorry for a long post. 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,280 PS It took us as adults three to four days to be on local time, 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,440 and she's done it in one. Oh, it's so amazing, isn't it? 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,160 It's, it's like, we love hearing the fan mail. 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,680 We love hearing. The fan mail. 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,840 We love hearing the fan mail, but we also love seeing that 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,600 it's all the hard work that our clients put in it future proofs 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,800 them four times like these, you know, like where you can go on 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,280 holiday and you've got great sleep in the bank and that they 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,800 can roll it out at the new destination. 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,040 Like I just love, I love that for her, it is always a little 59 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,440 bit of a gamble in terms of like how much time do you have up 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,960 your sleeve to implement new strategies before you start 61 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,840 something new? So either going away or starting 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,600 kinder or preschool or daycare or you know, like how much time 63 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,640 is enough time? But you know, when you've got 64 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,840 great sleep under your belt and you've got strategies to know 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,280 how to carry it onwards when you are in a new destination. 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,360 I think it's a game changer. And to be able to live and 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:02,240 breathe the joy that it brings in that moment, you know, like, 68 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,000 wow, 11 to 11 1/2 hours overnight when you're on 69 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,160 holiday. It's the absolute dream, isn't 70 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,640 it? And to have great apps, you're 71 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,360 exploring, you're enjoying your time together. 72 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,480 There's a time with a, you know, Avery to be in the cot. 73 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,160 And I'm sure there might be a pool neck, you know, like not 74 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,240 too far away where Yeah, yeah. You know, if you had the baby 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,120 monitor, you could just duck in for a quick dip and have a 76 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,360 cocktail and back to the room. But. 77 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,760 Or maybe you've got room service, who knows? 78 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:32,360 It's just really it's it's life changing to have great sleep so. 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,120 It is and I think it's really nice to hear that it's not just 80 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,440 a one hit wonder. It's not just that it works 81 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,240 really well for the two weeks of a package and then it all 82 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,280 spirals and falls apart. I think being able to read that 83 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:50,080 this family have been able to take the skills that they've got 84 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,240 the troubleshooting, like she knows when to do an extra feed. 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,040 She knew what was and wasn't hunger in a different time zone. 86 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,800 She's got on the schedule and to see it actually play out in in a 87 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,000 very real life scenario. It's not just a a band aid fix 88 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,200 and this this beautiful baby was waking multiple times overnight. 89 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,760 Lots of milk feeds when we first started early rising and didn't 90 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,760 want to bar of the cosh during the day and she now overseas 91 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,400 self settles, sleeps through the night and takes 3 naps. 92 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,320 She was one of those babies where we got to one step and 93 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,160 then she just progressed to the next step really easily. 94 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,960 And then the next step after that it was like it was one of 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,920 those sort of seamless runs, you know, to get like she was. 96 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,560 And Mum put in all the hard work like it's, you know, like we 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,360 say, it was a seamless run, but mum's doing. 98 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 The Oh, no, those words, yeah. Yeah. 99 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:51,800 And, and, but that's the benefit of having one of those virtual 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 camp snoozes is that you can ask lots of questions along the way 101 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,880 and you can gain the confidence of knowing that this, this is, 102 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,840 this is happening. I've got the support behind me. 103 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,120 I can see the other members of the campus still are 104 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,080 experiencing similar sort of things. 105 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Like, you know, that whole solidarity of like, you know, 106 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,320 sleep isn't linear. Like you always say, it's 107 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,240 sometimes 2 steps forward, one step back. 108 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,000 But to be able to gather all the information and the tools to 109 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,640 move forward and implement it out of Kemp's news is what it's 110 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,200 really all about. And. 111 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,440 And I remembered this mother in particular, we, you and I hadn't 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,240 started them on naps, but I think she must have listened to 113 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,720 all the other mothers being like, Oh yeah, we've popped baby 114 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,360 down. And I remember one day she put 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,440 this beautiful baby just down for nap because usually on a 116 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,920 three night schedule, we start on nap 2. 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,760 So we're working on nap 2 and then up for notes. 118 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,080 To us she's like, Oh no, I put her down this morning for nap 1 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,040 and she fell asleep. And we're like, this is amazing. 120 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,360 Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. 121 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,240 What have we been waiting for? Like, let's get the show on the 122 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,520 right. This is amazing. 123 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,040 Like we, we took confidence from it too, because we're usually 124 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,640 like slowly, slowly. And she was like, no, no, I 125 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,720 already did that. Yeah, that's the confidence from 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,760 the group. Yeah. 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,200 Because it's like, yeah. So it's. 128 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,120 A precious deal for us. For sure, for sure. 129 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,160 So good. Thank you so much for reading 130 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:14,640 that. Yes, so. 131 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,280 Lovely, yes, It's just so great and lovely. 132 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,760 I think for other families to hear it not come from us as well 133 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,640 that this is all possible. So thank you so much and enjoy 134 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,920 that trip. I'm looking forward to having, 135 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,720 I'm actually going to Vietnam in the middle of the year. 136 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,360 We're going as a family. So hopefully I'll get some 137 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,440 recommendations of where to eat and drink amazing from that 138 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,000 family. All right, let's dive in to our 139 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,840 main topic today. Today we are talking all things 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Eat, Play, sleep, not to be confused with Eat, Pray, Love. 141 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,960 Although I wouldn't mind all his travel talk and I do love Julia 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,360 Roberts. Yeah. 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Oh, yeah. She's wonderful. 144 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,840 She's wonderful. I do. 145 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,320 I'd love her here. I'd love to have her here. 146 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,000 She's I just like I'd. Less unstyled. 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,240 Cool, I have loved her for girl. Yeah, Notting Hill, Runaway 148 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Bride. I used to watch that on repeat. 149 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,680 Pretty. Woman. 150 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,840 Pretty Woman. Speaking of fan mail, this is 151 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,680 now just become a Julia Roberts fangirling moment. 152 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,720 So not to be confused with that, although we could clearly talk 153 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,240 about it, we're talking about 8 play sleep. 154 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,520 What is 8 play sleep? Like? 155 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,960 How? How do you define it? 156 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,960 So eat, play, sleep I think is just a rhythm to your day where 157 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,360 new parents can sort of get into a like a sequencing of making 158 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,240 sure that their baby is really well fed, having some activity 159 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,680 in between the feed and going down mainly to create an 160 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:58,800 opportunity for babies to potentially just to not feed to 161 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,800 sleep. Yeah. 162 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,440 So I think that's creating a gap. 163 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,560 Yeah, the driving force behind it. 164 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,680 So there is some recognition, I guess from other people that 165 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:13,240 there are, there's a significance or a significant 166 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:21,960 sort of prop in terms of the feeding to sleep like like how 167 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,400 we always sort of say, you know, for an older baby, there's a. 168 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,840 So it's sort of it's helping to avoid falling into the trap of 169 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,200 and there's the strong sleep association that can be a 170 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,720 legitimately unsustainable sleep association of feeding to sleep. 171 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,560 So if you sort of follow the mantra of feed, place, sleep, 172 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,720 then you've eliminated the feed to sleep aspect that can be 173 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,880 tricky for so many families. Correct. 174 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,400 And it can work. I think it's a great strategy to 175 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,080 give new parents. Absolutely. 176 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:58,440 I feel like it's easy to do for a lot of families, obviously 177 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,240 when they're really little, like you don't have a lot of time up 178 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,240 your sleeve. A lot of feeds can take 30 to 40 179 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,720 minutes. But before they're sort of 180 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,080 they're completed and you know, there might be a little bit of 181 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,640 digging around in between like you're changing nappies and so 182 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,640 forth is a bit of a vom. There's lots of things going on. 183 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,400 And for, you know, tiny babies, their awake windows are only 45 184 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,360 to 60 minutes. So you're you're working against 185 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,040 the clock in terms of trying to put an activity or the nappy. 186 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,160 Change is the activity. That's the activity, yeah, for 187 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,120 sure. Dazzle. 188 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Yeah. And then of course the feed is 189 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,600 so close to going down that it can really like, you know, 190 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,960 they're really like there's a, there's a nappy change in 191 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,640 between the feed and going off to sleep. 192 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,160 So, so at least you've put something in in the mix, which 193 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,280 is great. And then, you know, when they're 194 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,560 little for a lot of families as well, the babies are taking sort 195 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,600 of quite decent stretches. You know, so the, the naps in 196 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,280 they can sometimes be an hour and a half, two hours long, 197 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,680 which in which case you're sort of like really cheering, like 198 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,320 think like I've got a great sleeper. 199 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,080 And then all of a sudden babies tend to wake up. 200 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,000 And that could be around that sort of two week mark where, you 201 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,040 know, two to four weeks, your naps start to sort of have a 202 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,120 little bit of a decline in the length of time that they're 203 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,080 sleeping for. And and then this is where and 204 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,000 not sort of in the 1st 6 to 8 weeks, I feel like it can be a 205 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,200 really great strategy to use. But at some point, whether 206 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,320 that's eight weeks, 12 weeks, four months later down the 207 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,160 track, there is going to be a point where the feed, play, 208 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:35,200 sleep doesn't work anymore. I find it has a shelf life if 209 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,000 you end up with a cat napping baby. 210 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,120 I actually have no issue with the concept of feed play, sleep 211 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,400 as a concept. In fact, it makes sense to me as 212 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,520 a sort of an ideology for families to take into How do I 213 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,760 create some structure to my day? Like what do what step comes 214 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,880 first? And because you and I are always 215 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,880 wanting to future proof to avoid having to undo feeding to sleep 216 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,280 when it becomes unsustainable, we can sort of have avoided that 217 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,640 by following this ideology of feed, play, sleep. 218 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,680 And so and I also think it's a very clear way for a tired brain 219 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,560 to just know what's coming next, even for an older baby. 220 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,040 I full transparency, I followed it. 221 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,320 I followed it with my first I, but I never had sleep issues. 222 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,320 I never had cat napping and I never had feeding issues. 223 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:39,520 So by the time she woke it, it was kind of just a great spaced 224 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,920 feeding, But I didn't necessarily, I didn't, I wasn't 225 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,640 watching the clock, so to speak of like I'm not going to feed 226 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,920 before now the problem where it arrived, well, where the problem 227 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,080 arises for me. And a lot of people then think, 228 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,600 I don't know now what to do with this. 229 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,600 Like I'm trying so hard to follow this prescription is when 230 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,520 your baby sleeps for 32 minutes on the dosh and then you're 231 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,280 meant to feed again. But you just fed an hour and a 232 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,760 half ago and this baby's eight months old and you're stuck in 233 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,000 a, you're feeding them like a newborn because they're going to 234 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,800 do a short nap awake window, a short nap away and you're just 235 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,160 feeding constantly. And that's the snacky cycle that 236 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,920 a lot of families find themselves in when they're 237 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,000 following it by the book of literally feed, play, sleep, 238 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,520 like immediately feed upon waking. 239 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,120 It's really, really common. Yes, it's a great strategy. 240 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,560 And this is what when I'm reading logs from, you know, new 241 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:38,760 clients and I've got a 48 hour log coming in, it's probably the 242 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,840 most common thing that I see is that, you know, babies awake and 243 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:47,120 they feed and so forth. And, and it comes from a place 244 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:54,320 of wanting to do the best for avoiding the feeding to sleep, 245 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,280 like, yeah, because if you're, if you're wanting to sort of be 246 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,160 actively working on sleep, a lot of families will employ this 247 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,880 method because that they want to avoid it. 248 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,480 However, the, the subsequent issue that comes from avoiding 249 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,840 the whole feeding to sleep is that like you said, we start to 250 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,080 have these snacky type feeds. So instead of feeding like every 251 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,840 3 to 4 hour leaf, depending on the age, you can be feeding 252 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,040 every 1 1/2 to two hours. And those feeds aren't complete 253 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,600 feeds. They might start feeling like 254 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:32,360 complete feeds because you're so used to a feed being done within 255 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,440 4 to 6 minutes. And so you're sort of thinking 256 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,160 that's a full feed for my little one. 257 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,120 And with everything's coming along hunky Dory where, you 258 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,120 know, we're feeding every like 2 to 3 hours. 259 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,800 A feed is like 4 to 6 minutes. We're all done, but you're 260 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,400 topping up, not tanking up. And so this is where it can be 261 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,520 really hard to start working on naps or extend naps because two 262 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,040 things happen. Your baby is topping up so 263 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,320 frequently that their internal clock is wired into expecting a 264 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,400 feed every two hours. And so if their wake window is 265 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,400 quite short and you're putting them down to have a nap, so 266 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:18,320 let's just say at five months, you've got a wake window of say 267 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,840 2 hours. And so you're fed when they woke 268 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,960 up. So let's just say 7:00, they're 269 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,920 awake, they're fed, and then they've gone back down at 9:00. 270 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,840 But they typically feed every two to three hours. 271 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Then it's really hard for them to link a sleep cycle and extend 272 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,840 the nap because they've only just had a really tiny feed at 273 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,160 7:00 because they're feeding all through the night, every two 274 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,360 hours. They've only just topped up and 275 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,240 now they're they're going through a transitional phase of 276 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,640 sleep. So that 20 to 30 minute mark and 277 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,920 now it's 9:30 and they want to take over into a deep sleep 278 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,360 phase, but their internal clock is saying, hey, you normally 279 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,880 have a feed about now and that's more enticing. 280 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,880 And then they're starting to get those sort of hanger hanger 281 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 hunger pangs all over again, which means then that they're 282 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,600 stimulated enough to wake and actually have a full blown 283 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,800 arousal. And now they're waking because 284 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,040 they are genuinely searching out a little bit of extra food. 285 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,520 It can be really hard to work on on lengthening out naps when 286 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,360 you're stuck in a feed play sleep cycle. 287 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,680 Yes, we need to. I think it's the place to start 288 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,480 though, particularly if you're just wanting to make change from 289 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,560 moving away to feed to sleep. Absolutely start moving towards 290 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,760 the concept of feed play sleep. We're going to take it one step 291 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,280 further though, and actually move to surprise, surprise, 292 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,760 anchored feed times. So technically it is still feed, 293 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,960 play sleep, but there's a gap in between, in between the I wake, 294 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,200 you'll immediately feed me after. 295 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,000 And the other thing to remember is that babies are sort of 296 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,440 primed to feed upon waking, whether it's a 20 minute nap or 297 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,600 a two hour 20 minute nap. And so it's actually takes a 298 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,480 little bit of practise and to nudge the body clock to know, Oh 299 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,400 no, this is when we're going to start the feed. 300 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,480 This is when I get hungry, this is when I nap. 301 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,520 And it only takes a couple of days. 302 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:18,720 But we're it's we do sort of feed play sleep on steroids, if 303 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,319 that makes sense. Like it's it's we move to space 304 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,520 feeding when we are looking to fix a problem, if you will, like 305 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,040 me, where baby just takes great naps, the timings kind of a 306 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,880 line, you've got no issues, no big deal. 307 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,520 You don't need to change a thing. 308 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,680 It's if you are stuck in. I'm really trying to do feed, 309 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,720 play, sleep, but it doesn't make sense because we have a cat 310 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,480 napper and then a snacker and then a short wake window and so 311 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,440 the cycle continues. The other thing I think can 312 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:55,440 sometimes become confusing is even when families listen to us 313 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,680 and say, OK, we're going to move to space feeding. 314 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,080 I have a cat napper, though, and by the time they like your 315 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,560 scheduled feed would be when they next go back down. 316 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,000 That's where we sort of, it's never about one thing in 317 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,360 isolation. We would actually be looking at, 318 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,760 well, how do we structure your naps and how do you resettle and 319 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,200 how do you assist your baby to go to sleep at these times and 320 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,000 stay asleep so that we can break out of the cat napping cycle so 321 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,160 you can get your great beads in. Yeah, and it all kind of needs 322 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,400 to flow on together. It probably sounds complicated 323 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,440 listening. It's actually once you see a 324 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,560 plan, it does all make sense. But feed, play, sleep is the 325 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 concept. We take it one step further and 326 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,200 have your anchored feed times. This is true. 327 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,400 There's sometimes like when we're doing anchored feeds if 328 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,920 like if the naps have been a little bit wonky, which you 329 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,800 know, that's just babies and life. 330 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,960 And yeah, that's not where there's times, particularly in 331 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,400 the second half of the afternoon where it might be that the nap 332 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,680 lands directly after a feed. So you, you know, all like 333 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,160 they're due for a feed at the same time they're, they're due 334 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,160 to go down. And in these moments, it's not 335 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,440 about the feeding to sleep. It's more about the calories. 336 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,600 It's more about getting the great calories. 337 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,560 And because there's, it's, it's better to have a baby who's got 338 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,080 a super full tummy and they've had a really great milk feed. 339 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,960 And don't sweat the self settle because you've got, you know, 340 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,680 you've got bedtime, you've got overnight, you've got the other 341 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,120 two or three naps through the day that you can work on. 342 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:38,120 Like it's, we can definitely create moments where it takes 343 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:41,480 the pressure off, like taking the pressure off, having to do a 344 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:46,040 self settle because ultimately the way that we work is these 345 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,120 anchored feeds, the more calories we've got in the system 346 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:53,480 through the day, those naps are organically going to be easier 347 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,320 to take and lengthen out. So we're not hyper focused on 348 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,320 the self settling ordinarily in those first few days. 349 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When we're initially making the 350 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,480 change, yeah, we actually got a question that came through on 351 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,920 Spotify, which I think is a great catalyst for how that we 352 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,800 could unpack this topic a little bit more. 353 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,360 So Rach says I'm trying to space out feeds for my 5 month old on 354 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:25,200 4 naps. A sleep consultant has told me I 355 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,840 need to follow feed play sleep religiously to stop the four to 356 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,800 five night wakings. I can't seem to make the math 357 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,080 math with naps and for hourly feeds. 358 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,880 For example, if he sleeps for 60 minutes I can't feed yet because 359 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,800 it's only been two hours, etcetera. 360 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,520 How does this work with a feed play sleep routine? 361 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Any tips would be amazing. Let's do a let's do a little 362 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:53,680 deep dive on how we would structure this and why feed, 363 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,760 play, sleep isn't going to work in this scenario. 364 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,640 Yeah. So 5 months old on 4 naps. 365 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,640 I think the issue for me that jumps out immediately is that 366 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,960 the feed you've been told to feed play sleep religiously 367 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,720 because you are stuck there. You have no wriggle room to do 368 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,240 anything but be at the whim of the length of a baby's nap if 369 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,640 you have to follow it religiously. 370 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,480 Yeah, that's right. And the 4th so. 371 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,040 Already the math. The 4th nap as well. 372 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,880 Yeah. So the 4th nap doesn't really 373 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,600 give you a lot of time. Like if you're trying to jam 4 374 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,560 naps in plus a four hour wake window, that actually tends to 375 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,560 sort of move into quite a late bedtime, I would imagine. 376 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,000 What do you mean just? Trying to wake window. 377 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,040 You mean 4 hourly phase? Four hourly phase, Yeah, sorry, 378 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,080 sorry for anyone, that's anyone that's just tuned in. 379 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,720 I had to put my fan on quite high in the office because I was 380 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,000 literally melting away. So my my brain melted a little 381 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,680 bit as well. So I'm just getting it back 382 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,560 together now as I cool down. So if you can hear, if you can 383 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,040 hear the fan on in the background, I do apologise, but 384 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,000 it's the only way I can. Turn No, we don't clearly need a 385 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,560 puddle. Yeah, that's right. 386 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,200 Look, OK, so yes, that whole religious I, I think I 387 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,000 understand where the sick consultant is coming from 388 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,240 because she is trying to avoid the fate to sleep association 389 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,160 creeping in, but she's banking on the naps being really good as 390 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,840 well and sort. Of has to, don't you in order to 391 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,160 yeah, they have to be good in order to get great feeds in. 392 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,720 But they're obviously not that great because there's a fourth 393 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,800 nap happening at five months. So that's the second thing. 394 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,440 So the second biggest catalyst for why this can't work is 395 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,360 because there's the fourth nap in there. 396 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,720 And in order to have three naps, you're going to have to work on 397 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,680 the naps. And for us, the way that we work 398 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,760 on improving naps at this age is, is literally anchoring the 399 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:02,360 feeds in so that we know we've got 2 great boobs going in or a 400 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:07,240 really great bottle of 180 to 240 mills. 2 great boobs did the 401 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,680 major going in. Yeah. 402 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,480 But it's, you know, we just want those nice full feeds. 403 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Yeah. Going in four hourly so that we 404 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,440 know that baby is tanking up. No more of the topping out, we 405 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,240 have to go into the tanking out kind of strategy and we're 406 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,760 shifting the internal body clock. 407 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,560 So we're we're creating moments in time for the anchored feeds 408 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,720 to line up with the internal clock. 409 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560 So the internal clock then understands when to release the 410 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,760 appetite hormone. And then if we've got beautiful 411 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,240 nice four hourly anchored feeds in through the day, the internal 412 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,640 clock repeats that process overnight. 413 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Overnight. And so that's where you can have 414 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,520 just off the back of structuring your feeds in through the day 415 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,880 organically, your nights can improve without doing a lot of 416 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,640 sleep training or any sleep training Like you can often see 417 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,160 results happen like that straight off the cuff. 418 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,720 I also suspect this sleep consultant has got the right 419 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,040 idea in that if we can get more feeds in during the day, then we 420 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,800 give the calories back to the day and either baby will 421 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,600 organically sleep a little bit better overnight or we can 422 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,760 resettle some of these wakings versus feed feeding all of them. 423 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,040 But what this listener is experiencing is the common 424 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,160 stitch up with this. It's the right idea, but the 425 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,120 math doesn't math. She's exactly right. 426 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,760 And what we often find as well is that it feels messy. 427 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,640 It feels super messy. Day one of like, I got to get 428 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,120 these, these four hourly feeds in. 429 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,920 It's really hard to get a longer nap in. 430 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,920 It can also feel intimidating. Like just listening to this, it 431 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,760 could feel like that's all well and good. 432 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,640 My baby will only do 30 to 60 minutes. 433 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,400 Oh yeah. How on earth am I meant to 434 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960 restructure this? I'm going to tell you two 435 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,480 things. One is you will be surprised 436 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,560 when you get even the first of the four hourly feeds in or the 437 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,480 second one in. The next snaps will subsequently 438 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,440 already improve because your baby has not snacked. 439 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,840 And that's just going to have to be. 440 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,680 You're just going to have to take our word for it. 441 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,400 Yeah. It's magic, OK, Trust the 442 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,080 process. The other thing is this is also 443 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,000 a short term messiness. It takes a couple of days for 444 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,920 everything to start to feel like it's making more sense. 445 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,040 When you get your structured nap timings, you've got your 446 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,080 anchored feed timings, baby starts taking it. 447 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,520 Supply and demand catches up. It takes a couple of days. 448 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,080 Again, trust the process. The other thing is, is that we 449 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,480 work a little bit differently and I've we've never going to 450 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,040 step on another sleep consultants toes. 451 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,560 And no, I'm not saying that this sleep consultant has or hasn't 452 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,480 said this, but we would tell you to throw every other rule out 453 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,720 the window of how you try and get these longer naps in. 454 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,080 It can feel counterintuitive that when we're wanting to work 455 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,520 on getting better, more independent sleep and move to 456 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,200 anchored feed times that Beck and I would say you're going to 457 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,160 do a 12:45 till 2:15 nap in the car. 458 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,720 Yeah, as your sleep. Consultants or in your arm the. 459 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,520 Pram Yeah, What should you want to watch? 460 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,960 Netflix or pop baby down, have a wee 32 minutes sleep cycle. 461 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,640 You're going to hold them for the rest of it and rock on the 462 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,520 rocking chair and listen to this podcast or something more 463 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,840 entertaining. We won't play this, but that's 464 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320 how you do it. That's how you do it initially. 465 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,840 This is about sustainable staggered sleep and by 466 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,480 relinquishing the like, the idea of having to do anything 467 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,280 religiously, I think is what will give you the freedom to be 468 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,400 like, I'm going to rescue this nap because I just need to get 469 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,360 it in. Look, we've made it to the next 470 00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,760 4 hour. We feed, gosh, this one's 471 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560 already bigger. We've had a happy awake window. 472 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,640 This baby just went down for the next 1. 473 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,640 And that's that's the process. It is the process and it also 474 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,360 means that you're going into bedtime well rested and then if 475 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,480 you can get bigger chunks of the night, say instead of waking 476 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,880 every two hours for a feed overnight and so forth. 477 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,040 But now you're, you've got 2 feeds overnight and you might 478 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,200 have had one or two quick resettles. 479 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,240 Your baby's already had more restorative sleep overnight than 480 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,360 they probably have had the night before. 481 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:37,840 If they're going into the day more well rested again, they've 482 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,800 got a better chance of doing extra better, extra better, 483 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,440 extra better for their naps. Yeah, it's it's the work through 484 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,080 the day helps the night, the night helps the day. 485 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,560 It's all everything goes in hand in hand. 486 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,760 And quite often it's hard to know where to start. 487 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,320 And we we tend to sort of loosen the idea that we have to do all 488 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,240 the work all together. We just focus on our feeds in 489 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,400 through the day, the naps, however way we can get them to 490 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,480 improve the nights first, because we all know we're not 491 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,080 all of us. I guess that's sort of like a 492 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,600 sweeping statement, isn't it? But the nights will fall into 493 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,800 place so much more easily than the days. 494 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,440 And so we want to give you the best chance of feeling that yes 495 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,760 moment that'll give you the energy and the enthusiasm to 496 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,800 then keep going because you have to see some wins somewhere, 497 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280 right? But one of the the first things 498 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800 that you'll notice is when you move from the feed place, like 499 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,240 when it stops working to the anchored feeds within the second 500 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,160 or third feed, you're going to have that moment of yes. 501 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,280 Now I feel like this is working. I can see why this can make a 502 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,280 big difference. And the beauty in that is that 503 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,960 you will already go into the night. 504 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,600 Let's say this mother might be feeding every the four to five 505 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,680 times for each of them. Your babe will either sleep a 506 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,400 little bit longer because you've had these much better satiating 507 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,960 feeds throughout the day. But you know that you will then 508 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,600 automatically mirror your four hourly feeds from the day into 509 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,000 the night. So anything that happens between 510 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960 those four hourly feeds is just a resettle. 511 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,120 The confusion is automatically taken out. 512 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,080 You do 4 hourly feeds during the day, four hourly feeds, 513 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,160 overnight resettle, everything in between. 514 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,120 And again, initially we don't care how you do it. 515 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,000 You could be bouncing on that football until baby goes back to 516 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,680 sleep. We've had parents that have just 517 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,360 stayed in the on the floor mattress together just while we 518 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560 work on shifting the overnight feeds. 519 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,240 We will then get you to 7:00 AM. That baby's going to be so happy 520 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,320 to take the breast or bottle then, as Beck would say, 2 huge 521 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,480 boobs at 7:00 AM. 2 great boobs. 2 great boobs. 522 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,560 Sorry. 2 great boobs. Huge will do. 523 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:05,320 Interchangeable and it's the domino effect in the best way 524 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,320 possible. And you've just dropped a couple 525 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,960 of night feeds. We've given calories back to the 526 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,960 day and it starts to make sense. And you then trust the process. 527 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,120 Initially you just have to do what we say and hope for the 528 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,080 best. And then you'll watch it fall 529 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,440 into place and you'll know, You'll know it's working. 530 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,920 So I think this is where there's actually a fair bit to unpack. 531 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,160 But the thing that's keeping your hands tied is this idea of 532 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400 religiously working to feed, play, sleep. 533 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,040 Because what if baby does a 30 minute nap? 534 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,800 You got to feed then versus 60. Like you could end up with feeds 535 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,640 all over the place. Well, it's, it's very commonly 536 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,240 starts to fall apart at the four month regression because if 537 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:56,200 you're doing feed, sorry, feed, play, sleep and your baby has 538 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,960 done, you know, we have lots of little ones that will have two 539 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,320 feeds in the night, maybe one feed until the four month 540 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,520 regression. And now they're waking up every 541 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,720 two hours and it feels, well, maybe they go through a growth 542 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,680 spurt, maybe they're doing this, maybe it is a regression. 543 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,320 I'm not sure how to manage that. And so if you're doing feed, 544 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,600 play, sleep, then they're waking up so frequently that you are 545 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,440 feeding frequently and then it all starts to unravel and then 546 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080 your days fall into that same category. 547 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,840 So, so there is absolute merit. There is absolute merit in it 548 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,120 and we understand why. And it's obviously a tool to use 549 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,080 to encourage families from the get go to appreciate that there 550 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,520 can be a sleep association with feeding to sleep, with feeding 551 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080 to sleep. And here's how to try and avoid 552 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,960 it. And that's great, I think. 553 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,880 I think as a concept it's great and it's a great place to start. 554 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,280 We need to take it one step further in our experience for 555 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,600 this exact scenario that so many families are facing. 556 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 It also works really well if you just have a great sleeper. 557 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,240 Again, you and I work with not so flash sleevers and so it's it 558 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,560 becomes a sticking point as well and it definitely has a shelf 559 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,200 life when baby is cat napping. Absolutely it gets really 560 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,680 tricky. So it's a great. 561 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,600 Question. It was a great question and it's 562 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,960 a great way for us to unpack the feed, play, sleep concept as a 563 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,120 whole. Happy with that? 564 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,040 Happy. Yeah, great. 565 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,560 Hopefully I came back to life. Indeed, Yeah, I hopefully it 566 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,960 makes sense with what we were talking about at the beginning. 567 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,760 Yeah, Yeah, we'll be able to piece it together. 568 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,400 I think we've covered it. We've covered it. 569 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,960 That was a perfect question for it. 570 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,120 All right, let me get sleepy days up. 571 00:32:58,970 --> 00:33:01,370 OK. All right. 572 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,640 For the lovers of our Sleepy D section, welcome to sleep 573 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920 detectives. We've just put our monocles on 574 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,720 and our. Sherlock Holmes caps actually my 575 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,640 daughter. Where are you guys? 576 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,200 No I was just going to say so many people DM me to say they 577 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,800 love the sleep detectives. The. 578 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,280 Sleep detectives, we really love it. 579 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,720 We really my daughter actually got for her birthday from her 580 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,320 teacher at after school care was a monocular. 581 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,640 Oh wow, cool. For bird watching. 582 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040 But I just just made me think about this. 583 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,960 We do so much bird watching. Wow, how amazing. 584 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,600 Guess what you're doing on the weekend? 585 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,960 Exactly. But for that, let me do 586 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120 something I actually know about. I just made me sleep. 587 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,280 OK. This question came through on 588 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,760 Spotify off our early rising protocol episode said thank you 589 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,280 for this. My baby wakes between 5:30 to 590 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,480 6:00 AM with a 7:30 PM bedtime and typically goes back to sleep 591 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,400 if I put the passe back in. Someone in a different form said 592 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,360 my baby is just low sleep needs and a naturally early riser. 593 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,440 Is it possible to train him to settle in the crib without the 594 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,679 passe? Am I doomed with low sleep 595 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,480 needs? I have so much to say. 596 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,639 All this Beck. This is a great. 597 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,159 Question. Wow, what a what a statement. 598 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,880 That is a really interesting statement to use about what's 599 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,639 happened to someone. Else's baby yeah, yeah, it 600 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,000 doesn't make sense to me so first of all, full disclaimer, 601 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,239 we don't know how old this baby is we. 602 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:40,880 Don't know. We don't know. 603 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,040 What we do know is that we know that the dummy is working. 604 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,920 Yeah, I my first thought is there's no way I would read that 605 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,400 and think that a baby that is then going back to sleep is a 606 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,600 low. It doesn't make sense. 607 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,680 The baby's going back to sleep. If they were truly a low sleep 608 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,920 needs baby, they are not going back to sleep because they have 609 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,000 met their quota of sleep and they are up. 610 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,600 Yeah, and like a low sleep needs baby for me would be I'm just 611 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:14,280 going to throw numbers out like 10 hours through the night and 612 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,400 then still not even maxing out on day's sleep, but absolutely 613 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,000 loving life sick. Yeah, happy, so happy about it. 614 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,040 Like they're not unhappy, there's there's no meltdowns, 615 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,200 they're all the things, you know, like that. 616 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,560 But to me, what time is this child going to bed 6. 7:30. 7:30 617 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,880 and then waking at. 5:30 to 6:00 typically goes back to the same 618 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,920 if I put the passy back in. For me, that's called the snooze 619 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,120 button. They put the pasi back in in a 620 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,520 really fragile time of the morning and baby goes back to 621 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,240 sleep. That is not a low sleep needs 622 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:51,200 baby. And I say that to encourage this 623 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,200 mother just be like. Yeah, totally you. 624 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,080 I wouldn't think about taking the the Pasi away. 625 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,800 And like nothing, nothing like all of this looks absolutely 626 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,840 rosy to me. Like 100% nothing to see here. 627 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,280 Like you've got a great sleeper. The things if we were to take it 628 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,200 one step further in true sleep detective style where we start 629 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,600 to use our imagination is I would then think OK, are there 630 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,960 any other potential causes for this ongoing restlessness that 631 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,920 requires a passing. If it is a 5 month old baby that 632 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,600 can't put replace their own pacifier or dummy and you're 633 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,280 just popping it back in and we'll see you at 6:45. 634 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,400 Fantastic. No notes, nothing to see here. 635 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,440 And you can leave that forum now. 636 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,560 It's not serving you. Yeah. 637 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,080 Otherwise, you know, is there just a little schedule tweak, a 638 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,120 little nudge in the right direction that maybe we could 639 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,320 iron that out? Maybe also is this baby now old 640 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,120 enough where we could do a little bit of sleep training in 641 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,600 that hour to say instead of me popping it back in could you 642 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,160 replace it on your own or put yourself back to sleep without 643 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,520 me needing to do it? Let's say at 12 months old they 644 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,840 can find that dummy or that passy and put it back in 645 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,440 themselves. But nothing in this screams to 646 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:21,280 me naturally early riser or just low sleep needs, let alone both. 647 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,480 None of the above. No, which is great news. 648 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,360 Well, I think it's and I'm so glad that she asked the question 649 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,240 because, yeah, it's, it's so you can get really heavily 650 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,440 influenced by other people's opinions. 651 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:43,760 And some of these labels are quite triggering, you know, for 652 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,880 some families, you know, like you and I get. 653 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,840 Triggered by low sleep needs. I do, I I, you know, I really, I 654 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,320 really do. I get triggered by split nights 655 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,800 and yeah, those split nights and yeah, and and low sleep needs. 656 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,040 But you know, it's so easy to to become overwhelmed with. 657 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,520 Oh my gosh, I've just been told we've got a big problem here. 658 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,080 And then to hear from like the experts, actually, there's 659 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,720 nothing to see here. I hope helps her to feel some 660 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:18,520 relief and that she's fine. It's OK. 661 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,320 And even if this baby or toddler, whoever how old 18 662 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,040 months to whatever. If a dummy, if you go again and 663 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,720 putting the dummy back in and the child goes back off to 664 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,160 sleep, even at 18 months, what about totally fine. 665 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,320 If you're OK with it, I'm OK with it. 666 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,200 If you wanted to stop, if the child was an 18 month, 2 year 667 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,160 old and you and you wanted to stop going in and doing the 668 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840 dummy run because you know that they can actually find and 669 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,360 replay it with themselves, then just stop going in and doing it. 670 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,960 But you know, and like, that's, that's literal advice. 671 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,720 Like that's what we would, that is. 672 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:53,480 What? But I think this is also a point 673 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,640 of difference of you and I Beck, is that we would never just say, 674 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,840 OK, well, early rising. That's just early rising because 675 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,680 this is a baby. Just surrender to that. 676 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,240 We we will put in the hard work to get you more sleep in the 677 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,400 early hours of the morning. Yeah, there's only a handful of 678 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,760 consultants I think that actually dedicated to resolving 679 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,080 an early rise because it is tricky and there's a lot of 680 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,840 it's, there's a lot of hand holding that goes along with it 681 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520 because there because it doesn't, it's not necessarily 682 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,720 something that ties up in a nice little bow within a couple of 683 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:32,800 days. Like there is repetition, 684 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,200 consistency, persistence. Persistence is the one. 685 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,600 It's a slog. It's, it's a long slog for some 686 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600 families, but it's absolutely worth it. 687 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,000 And, and some sleep consultants are just, it's too much for them 688 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,720 to want to manage and deal with. And I understand, yeah, that 689 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,440 would, you know, like, but we're ready to tackle that and 690 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,880 encourage you to do it and to encourage you to understand that 691 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,040 the majority of babies that we work with and toddlers really 692 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,200 can get there 11 to 12 hours overnight. 693 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,720 And once you've completed your early rising protocol, it's 694 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,440 something that you typically don't have to revisit that 695 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,320 often. And if you did have to revisit 696 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,320 it 678 months down the track, it would be a really easy 697 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760 resolution and you've got the tools to be able to do it. 698 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,760 It's something that will future proof you for a really long 699 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,920 time. And we do the early rise 700 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,600 protocol because we are literally looking forward to 701 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,240 when your child is 3 or 4 and they're going to daycare and if 702 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,400 they're getting up at 5:30 and then daylight savings hits, 703 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,160 that's 4:30. Like I literally think about 704 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,880 these numbers and I'm like, there are families that are 705 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,520 starting their day early and their child is going off to 706 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,680 childcare. And we've got Meltdown Central, 707 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,480 we've got behavioural. It's a very long day for. 708 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,840 Everyone, because it's so hard, like these children are really 709 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,120 little. And if we can help a family get 710 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,000 through a little later in the morning and have a child going 711 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,880 off to childcare and enjoying their day, and you can still 712 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,160 enjoy a family meal at the other end. 713 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,400 Yeah, Yeah. That's not true. 714 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,760 Afternoon. Yeah, then then that's what it's 715 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:23,120 all about, right? So, so we do love fixing the 716 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,800 early rise for families. It's I reckon it's one of our 717 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,640 callings as. It is, it is, but there is 718 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,480 almost nothing to fix in this scenario unless it's not yet. 719 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,760 We're not reading it yet. We've gone off now one of our 720 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,560 tangents. But if if you are curious, like 721 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,000 a schedule review is all, it would take just your eyes and 722 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,880 cross your T's. So yeah. 723 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,520 Actually, that's something that we can sort of, you know, 724 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,120 there's so much information within our podcast that if you 725 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,360 did have a schedule review and say you booked in with like a 60 726 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,800 minute consult or something with either of us and we went through 727 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,480 a fine tooth comb your, your scheduling and so forth. 728 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,640 You could potentially have all the tools within these podcast 729 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,360 episodes to, to, to DIY it. Like, I mean, we obviously give 730 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,760 you all the tips and tools, but you've got us in these podcasts 731 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,000 cheering you on, like giving you the support backing you. 732 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,400 So yeah, it's This is why I love doing the podcast with you, 733 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,760 Sally, because we're just this is our jam and I. 734 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,680 It is their jam. Helping people and. 735 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,520 Just be like, tell me why. Tell me why you love Take the 736 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,520 Podcast. But like the the review that we 737 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,360 got earlier, you know, like the fan mail, you know, people can 738 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,720 Pierce things together just simply from the tips that we're 739 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,480 giving. I don't know, I just, I just 740 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,440 love it for that reason. So nice. 741 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love. 742 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,600 Listening to your voice too, Sally. 743 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,760 You're just like you're, well, curls of Winston. 744 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:04,400 ASMR of Sally. OK, let's And on to the next 745 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,240 question. OK, where to start with sleep 746 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:11,000 when it's all gone to shit. To be fair, was never good. 747 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,800 But now insert cyclone tornado emoji nine months old. 748 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,680 First of all, you're just not alone. 749 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,640 Yeah, you're just so not alone. Beck. 750 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,200 And I will say all the time, 6 to 9 month old babies, a dime a 751 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,080 dozen for us. This is the most common age 752 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,840 group that we work with. It's really tricky. 753 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,920 There's a lot going on and it's really normal. 754 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,320 Also that sleep has never been great. 755 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,400 And then you hit a stage where you like we've hit rock bottom. 756 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920 Where to if? It's if it's never been great, 757 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,520 quite often you're at the peak of assistance, you know, so 758 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,080 you've probably graduated from padding and shushing and rocking 759 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,880 and holding and swaddling and bouncing and yoga balls and, you 760 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,000 know, car drives and feeding to sleep. 761 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,640 And you've graduated from all of those and you literally have 762 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:07,280 nothing left up your sleeve in terms of, I don't know, like now 763 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,920 we've this is escalated beyond and now we're up for hours like 764 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:17,080 nothing is actually working. And it really does feel like for 765 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,720 better words of the listener, like an absolute shit show. 766 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,400 And where do you start? Well, we'll bring it all back 767 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,560 to, you know, what we were talking about earlier in the 768 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,400 episode? Yeah, which is your anchored 769 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,680 feeds. Like that is the first place to 770 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,120 start. Even though we're thinking about 771 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,920 sleep, it boils down to you've got to be confident. 772 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,280 Confidence starts from knowing that you can resettle without a 773 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,720 seed of doubt creeping in that this child could potentially be 774 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,840 hungry and then unravelling all the work that you're trying to 775 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,240 put in. So feed times are really 776 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:54,160 important. When I write a sleep summary 777 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,080 after a consult or even our camps news plans back when we 778 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,440 write those together, I this is the sequence that over the years 779 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,360 that I have followed and maybe it's a good way just a little 780 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,160 itemised checklist for families when you're wanting to know 781 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,400 where to start. The first section I always write 782 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,440 is the environment. Is baby warm enough? 783 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,880 Too cold, too hot, too bright, too dark? 784 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,880 Have we got white noise on? Have we got dummies? 785 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,200 Have we got comforters? Have we set up an environment 786 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,600 that is conducive to great sleep, that is working with your 787 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,040 baby's biology? Tick, tick, tick. 788 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,680 All of which is within our control. 789 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,880 Nothing has to be pretty. You whack a blanket up against 790 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,240 the curtain, doesn't matter. You can do that today. 791 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,320 Once I've ticked all the boxes for environment, I then move on 792 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,160 to scheduling, getting on to a great age appropriate schedule. 793 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,760 And don't forget, Beck and I work with babies who'd love to 794 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,720 not follow the play and still take short naps. 795 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,320 But we're talking about when is up time in the morning. 796 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,000 If your baby sleeps longer, even if they've had a shocking night, 797 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,000 you are going to get your baby up at the same time every single 798 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,120 morning. Open those blinds and start the 799 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,960 day with a great milk feed or breakfast. 800 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,800 If they're much older you can, you're going to have the timing 801 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,360 of your first nap and that's not going to budget that really it 802 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,760 rarely for us will budget. And then that starts your day 803 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,800 off in the right direction. You're going to use your wake 804 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,040 windows. It also includes feeds as you 805 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520 were just talking about where are your milk feeds? 806 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,640 What are the volumes, the two great boobs or a full bottle? 807 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,360 What does that look like? Also solids. 808 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,640 Where are solids and what would that look like? 809 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,680 How many tablespoons? How many cups? 810 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,800 All age dependent. We will tell you where to put 811 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,840 that. Which then brings us to the 812 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,280 bedtime routine. This is the sequence of steps 813 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,760 you were going to take to get you to bedtime. 814 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,440 And then we're going to talk about how to teach your baby to 815 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,640 self settle at bedtime and how to then follow that through with 816 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,280 resettles overnight for anything that's not a fade. 817 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,360 And so that's really how I break it down. 818 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,800 I go environment schedule feeds and overnight feeds and then a 819 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,120 settling technique. Yes, correct. 820 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,680 Thank you for so easy does it. Yeah, totally. 821 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,760 Well, we're, we're exactly the same. 822 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,000 The, the, the sleep environment is super important. 823 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,480 And something that interestingly, I'm seeing a lot 824 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:33,480 of recently is a reluctance to use sleeping bags for warmth. 825 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,600 I actually don't think I've ever seen as many clients come to me 826 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,280 in the long, long time that I've been doing this. 827 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,320 This is probably this last year. I have seen so many parents not 828 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,840 not swaddling or using sleeping bags or blankets anything like 829 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,800 nothing. They'll just pop. 830 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,160 Baby back down. Do you think it's it's that that 831 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,920 fear of overheating? Yeah, because I heard I went to 832 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:09,120 an in home a few weeks ago and she said yes, she because she 833 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:15,080 said that in the hospital they have said to her cold babies 834 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,440 cry, hot babies die. Isn't that the most? 835 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,720 It is disgusting. Yeah, horrible saying. 836 00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:24,200 I think it. Yeah, I see it all the time in 837 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,120 my comments when I make anything about how to dress a baby 838 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,120 overnight. And I had only heard that 839 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,920 because you had told me that somebody had said that in your 840 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,120 comment thing. And I was like, God, that is so 841 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,200 gross to say that can you you can't. 842 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,040 And like even just repeating it, I feel like I've got like 843 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,360 shivers going down my spine and for hospitals to be saying this 844 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,200 to new families, like now I understand why I'm seeing so 845 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,720 much of it because there is like parents are petrified, literally 846 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,640 petrified of their child not making it through the night. 847 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,440 And in doing, in feeling that way, they are doing everything 848 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,200 within their power to make sure that doesn't happen. 849 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,720 And so they, you know, and, and so it kind of makes sense like 850 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:19,320 in a, in a, in a really, gosh, in a, in a big stretch, you 851 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,920 know, I would rather, I don't want to risk them being hot 852 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,040 because it's summer. I don't want to risk them being 853 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,640 hot in a sleeping bag. What if the .5 tog bag is too 854 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,160 hot for my room? Because first time parents, you 855 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,680 really have no idea, you know what I mean? 856 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,280 Like you're literally winging it and you can be reading all the 857 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,880 information that still feel like you know absolutely nothing and 858 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,240 listening to us and still feel like you've got no, no real 859 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:44,080 information coming through that makes you feel good about a 860 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,840 scenario. So I can understand now why this 861 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,320 is happening and I feel a bit sad about it to be honest, 862 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,280 because. It's a really. 863 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,560 Shocking thing to say. Playing on the extreme where 864 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,520 where we do know, you know, research shows that there is a 865 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,200 link between overheating and seeds, we're not talking about 866 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,120 overheating when we're not talking about that. 867 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,120 We're talking about using a really appropriate, thermally 868 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:16,160 regulated TOG rated sleeping bag in the matching temperature. 869 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,960 Room. Yeah, these bags have been 870 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,120 thermally tested for these particular temperature ranges. 871 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,400 And so that's where you can get your confidence that you are 872 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,120 dressing your baby appropriately. 873 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,280 Yeah. So you know, so that's where it 874 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,720 sort of stems from. I'd love for that to be reviewed 875 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,520 in terms of information. Yeah, yeah. 876 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,360 We just ditched that saying and educate around how to use a 877 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,160 sleeping bag appropriately. Yes, but going back to where do 878 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,200 you start? Absolutely. 879 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,800 Environment sleep environment sleep, environment, scheduling, 880 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,080 confidence techniques. All the things, All the things 881 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,480 we. Can do and also reaching out for 882 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,840 help if you've hit nine months and you just think I can't I've 883 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,640 I've been doing all of this for so long. 884 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,680 I have tried so hard to pace it all together. 885 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,760 Hello, welcome to now Trout. We will take care of you whether 886 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,040 it's together, whether it's separately, whether it's in 887 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,640 content. This is what we do. 888 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,920 This is exactly what we do. You just relinquish the thinking 889 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,600 to us and it's such a great age. It's a great. 890 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,040 Place so possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 891 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,960 No more messing around. OK, well, that was sleep 892 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,160 detectives meets our what is it soapbox? 893 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680 I'm not sleeping bags. You're welcome. 894 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:46,040 And star wife Beck, what have you got for us for our Fast 4 895 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,720 this week? Fast 4 I'm just going to leave. 896 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,120 This up to you. OK, of course. 897 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,880 OK, so surprise for. So is that staying in or am I 898 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:07,360 doing an intro the fast for this week? 899 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:17,240 We're going to discuss in. Oh, the suspense slow for. 900 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,640 Because I was going to say because like last week we said 901 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,760 Fast forward and I was like Fast forward, Fast forward. 902 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,600 And then it ended up being a really long winded 4. 903 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,640 It's on brand. It's on brand. 904 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,960 OK so Fast forward this week which will probably turn into 905 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:40,760 quite a slow 4 is 3 hours later the introduction. 906 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,400 I want to write your favourite biscuits because I just love 907 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,120 biscuits. Biscuits are my vice. 908 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,360 I don't like, you know some people love chips, some people 909 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,080 like ice cream. I am a big biscuit person, I 910 00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,240 love them. I could get around biscuits each 911 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,120 and every day, that would be my jam. 912 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,920 What do you like in a biscuit? What's your favourite? 913 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,160 You go first because I got to think about this for a second. 914 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,240 OK, well, I there's two different types of biscuits for 915 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:14,760 me. There's there's the like the 916 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,880 classics, and then there are like the treat biscuits. 917 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,320 Oh, OK. And and so my, my, I actually 918 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,320 love a classic biscuit. You're probably going to laugh. 919 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,400 My favourite biscuit of all time is the milk arrowroot. 920 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:36,000 I just love them so many ways with the milk arrow beiges. 921 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000 I know, I know. In an Oval shape. 922 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,480 I isn't it, but then then there's. 923 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,080 Like a yucky or Yum I'm. But I do, I love it, but I feel 924 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,320 like I can have like a milk arrow root at any time. 925 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,360 Do you dip it? Yeah, that, you know how like 926 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,120 when you put it in a cup of tea and there's the magic, but it's 927 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,920 the magic, like how long is too long? 928 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,240 Because you leave it in like a fraction too long and it'll just 929 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,360 fall into your tea. It's a risky because it's very 930 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,760 risky. Maybe it's like, I like the 931 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,440 challenge. Maybe I like the challenge. 932 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,840 Yeah, so have a cup roses our roots with my green tea and then 933 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,920 but then I'll just nibble on them through the day as well, 934 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,640 like. I feel like green tea. 935 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,880 Not even a tea. No, no, not into an English 936 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,280 breakfast. It's a normal tea. 937 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,480 And then I just also wanted to because when I was thinking 938 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,000 about it just then, I was like, the Milk Arrow route is in the 939 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,200 same part as like. And I never even know how to 940 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,600 pronounce these ones. This is the shredded wheat meal. 941 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,440 Also love that too. But the Mari biscuit? 942 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,480 Oh, they're the same. Is the Mari changeable? 943 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,160 I would have said Mari, I think. It's a Mari and then the other 944 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,480 one that you can't quite remember the name of or remember 945 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,360 how to pronounce is the Is it the niece or is it the nice 946 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,760 biscuit? I have absolutely no idea what 947 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,120 you're talking about. You don't know the nice, the 948 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,320 nice, the nice biscuit. Oh, it's literally coming up. 949 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,480 Nice biscuit. I think it's pronounced. 950 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,480 Nice. Oh is that got the sugar 951 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,160 crystals on top? Yes. 952 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,600 OK, gotcha. I had no idea that wow, I'm a 953 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,240 surprise actually. That's that's your treat. 954 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,880 Biscuit Beck, The nice biscuit would be the treat. 955 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,680 Biscuit with sugar. Crystals on top but wow the 956 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,920 sugar is so. Shocking. 957 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:32,920 Wow, OK, Fast 4, Fast 4. Tell me then, why do you feel so 958 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,800 shocked by that and what would be your favourite? 959 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,760 I just think of all the biscuits out there to go with two 960 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,600 glorified pieces of. Bread in. 961 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,600 A green tea is surprising, but to each their own. 962 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,120 Their own I I want to talk to you about the Iced Vovo. 963 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,440 Oh. I don't. 964 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:57,880 It's not that that's my favourite biscuit. 965 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,880 There is something so quintessentially Australian and 966 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,200 the nostalgia I have for an iced Vovo. 967 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,000 I even have iced Vovo earrings and one of my needle minders for 968 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,360 needlepoint is an Iced Vovo that someone made on Etsy. 969 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,920 And I think I am enamoured with the Iced Vovo. 970 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,320 It's really a unique biscuit to Australia. 971 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,720 I used to work in the Uki used to work in an in in in cutting 972 00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,400 it. There was a antipodean shop. 973 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:37,240 So that's like it's sold. New Zealand treats, New Zealand 974 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,920 treats, South African treats and Australian treats. 975 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,360 A lot of Vegemite and a lot of Vegemite, a lot of Tim Tams. 976 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,360 Oh yeah, a lot of Villies pies over here. 977 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,080 You don't have a Villies pies and then iced photos Yeah, a lot 978 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,440 of I. Took a photo at AI was walking 979 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,520 past a gift shop and they had measuring spoons, you know, that 980 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,480 come in a set as different ice fovos. 981 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,320 Ice fovos with the measuring spoons. 982 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,640 Yeah. And I took a photo. 983 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,240 I love an ice FOVO, I just think. 984 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,520 And also then like my grandma would always have served ice 985 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,120 Fovos. Always. 986 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,640 I've never never enjoyed an ice FOVO. 987 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640 I don't know what it is, but. To see, that's the thing, I 988 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,640 don't necessarily want to eat it, but when I think about a 989 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,040 biscuit. That would be your favourite. 990 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,680 Biscuit because I'm not a big biscuit. 991 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,360 I'm not the biggest biscuit person. 992 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:34,400 I would prefer cake or like a brownie, something like a slice, 993 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,480 but the if then then I would have to. 994 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800 I do quite like a waggon wheel and I really like a homemade 995 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,520 waggon wheel. I think the combination of the 996 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,720 jam and the marshmallow fluff is delightful. 997 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,040 Also nostalgic that I used to catch the bus home on Wednesdays 998 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,640 begrudgingly. How dare my mother sent me on. 999 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,560 I'm not in her chauffeur service and my nanny used to pick us up 1000 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,640 and she would open a packet of waggon wheels on a Wednesday 1001 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,120 afternoon, so that has a soft spot for me and I quite like a 1002 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,880 Monte Carlo. Oh yeah, but I want. 1003 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,760 To pull it apart, twist it and then like scrape off. 1004 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,480 The icing. My teeth in the middle there's 1005 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,120 a. System. 1006 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,200 Yeah, there is. Yeah, Monte Carlo's and 1007 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,160 Kingston's don't last long. Oh yeah, yeah. 1008 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,200 Kingston is also delightful. Yeah. 1009 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:30,040 And that's sort of like if I'm at an office or like the nursing 1010 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,320 tea room. Oh yeah. 1011 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,840 They're usually one of those those the. 1012 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,200 Classic The classic creams from. Artist. 1013 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1014 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,800 So then onto the chocolate biscuits. 1015 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,080 Tim Tam's double coat. Love those. 1016 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:43,600 Yeah. You like. 1017 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,040 But if I was going to pick a packet of biscuits, it would be 1018 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,480 the TV snacks. They're not ones. 1019 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,880 How good are they TV? Snacks The TV snacks are so good 1020 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,720 and I just introduced my children to them and they are 1021 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,080 still just as good as ever. TV snacks. 1022 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,440 I will agree with you on that one. 1023 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,080 The blue box or the yellow box? The sticks, not the stars. 1024 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,280 No, I don't want the stars, I want to stick. 1025 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,920 Yeah, the sticks so good. Yeah, they don't last long 1026 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,840 either. I usually buy two boxes. 1027 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,560 I have one on display and 1 hidden so the kids only think 1028 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,920 there's one box. I saw. 1029 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,480 A. Hilarious video on TikTok about 1030 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,760 a mother made a video for her group family group chat that for 1031 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:33,160 30 years, on the back of a shelf in the fridge was a tin of 1032 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,760 yeast. You know, like live yeast. 1033 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,040 And that it's always sat there for 30 years and that she 1034 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,080 confessed. She brings it out in the video, 1035 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:45,600 opens it and it's got a secret can of Coke that she keeps in 1036 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,800 the back of the fridge and like, no sodas allowed, no nothing. 1037 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,640 And she unveils, well, for 30 years she has had her secret can 1038 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,000 of coke. Oh my. 1039 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,280 God, yeah. Wow, That would be like the 1040 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,280 secret. Yeah, the secret box of all 1041 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,760 brand that like no one touches no kids touch the all brand. 1042 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,840 So I could probably hide something in there and then you 1043 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,280 think it might. Be all the secret. 1044 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,600 You might be like Oh my God, nobody know. 1045 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,200 About my lover boy. It's fine Beck, you can have the 1046 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,320 all bread soap. Berry biscuits, the Mari's. 1047 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,280 Oh I'm so I'm so risky with my TV snacks now. 1048 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,240 Well, now I want to. I want you to time how long it 1049 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,800 takes for it to. Go the perfect beer just before 1050 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,240 so then you get. Floaties. 1051 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,080 No, sorry. That's where we're going to have 1052 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,480 to agree to disagree on the old biscuit front. 1053 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,760 On that bombshell, we will love you. 1054 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,200 Just I just want to say for any New Zealand this is I hate the 1055 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,280 ginger nut. Hate it? 1056 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:52,760 Bottom ranked gross. We just alienate our whole New 1057 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,240 Zealand. You can. 1058 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,440 Cut it out. All right, on that night, don't 1059 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,160 have a biscuit back? Dip it in. 1060 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,880 Enjoy your soggy piece of toast. That's Friday, I'm going to 1061 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,680 enjoy a nice noose biscuit. Yummy. 1062 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,880 All right, I'll I'll stick with the I'll go and check out the 1063 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,760 ice bovos. All right, everyone, so lovely 1064 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,040 as always to chew your ear with absolute nonsense. 1065 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,440 We will see you on the next episode of Nap Trapped. 1066 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,800 Bye. Bye.