Warning, the following program is not for the weak hearted,
those who are close minded or in general you're scared to learn
what's behind closed doors. Here at Sapphires Airplay.
I want you to pour the wine, grab somebody that you want to
hold onto, or better yet, get the vibration stimulated through
your body. Get ready for one hell of an
orgasm in 5432. One what is up all you sexy
motherfuckers out there, Radioland?
It's your girl Sapphire. Married.
I guess I like, do I have to say I'm Mrs. Sapphire now?
Like. I'm not Sapphire, so I don't
know if Mrs. Sapphire. Right, right.
It's. Sapphire Lorivier.
That sounds weird. Wow, you're putting off the
government name like that? I go by my government.
That's true. You do you do what up everybody?
If you're wondering who this handsome devil of a mayonnaise,
if you've been living under a rock, never seen this show and
you've never seen the show, you know, after the nine years we've
been together, yes, he has appeared numerous times on my
show. My.
First appearance was like 2 years in now.
Yeah. Only seven years on Airplay.
OK, OK, so seven years on Airplay.
We've been together for nine years and we just got married,
as you guys know. And you know, we wanted to give
you guys something a little special.
It's a little delayed, I know you know, but your girl was on
her honeymoon mode. I should be showing off the
ring. Like you keep waving.
I keep waving my hand. I'm I'm so not used to this.
So I'm like getting still used to the having a ring, a ring.
You've only had a ring for two years.
I know, but like now I got like the ring.
Ring. What about you?
You got the ring too. Where's your ring?
I'm a. Man, we don't do this a lot.
Not frequently. I'm sorry, now you did I know.
Because you you requested it. Well, you're probably wondering
what the hell are y'all doing on here?
I know that I was teasing about Horny for Horror.
I believe the episode that I teased it on was on the Lori
Beth episode and I could not for the life of me say Horny for
Sinners versus From Dusk Till Dawn.
I could not for the life of me remember From Dusk Till Dawn,
and that's kind of like you. Forgot the words.
I really did. I really did.
So I hadn't, you know, I had to
get my husband on this. We did a back-to-back night of
Sinners from Dust till dawn because Ben has never seen the
movie. Because we watch sinners first
and everyone makes the comments. So I was like, I've never seen
this. I had seen From Dusk Till Dawn
and for a while it was a cool movie.
Then another movie called Kill Bill came along and that kind of
replaced my love of Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez.
Robert Rodriguez did direct this movie.
He did not direct. He did not.
Tarantino did not direct this. A lot of people try to get this
shifted. They say that Tarantino was the
one who directed it and also started it.
No, Tarantino produced it and starred in it.
Robert Rodriguez, also known for Spy Kids, Machete, all those fun
grindhouse horror. Yeah.
Did he do wait? Did he have anything to do with
Kill Bill? I don't think he had anything to
do with Kill Bill. I'm just saying in general.
How you were talking about how it like it replaced your like
took the first place above. Yeah, because, like, for a
while, Yeah. Because when I started watching
Tarantino movies, I would think I was only like 1314 when Kill
Bill came out. And the first time I saw it, I
was just like, Oh my God. And I remember seeing From Dusk
Till Dawn in pieces and liking it.
And then I saw them full again and I was like, oh, it's still a
good movie, but Kill Bill is still my number one so far.
Beyond that, Ben and I, we love sinners, and we love we love
sinners. Like the soundtrack, the
writing, A. Near perfect.
Movie. Oh my God, it really is a near
perfect movie. But what can't we stand Baba?
What can't we stand, Baba? Comparisons.
The fact that people are saying that sinners is like a direct
RIP off. Yeah, people keep saying it's a
RIP off of Dusk Till Dawn, and so now that I've seen From Dusk
till Dawn all the way through, I can actually comment on this And
what the That's not true at all. You know you can cuss on
Sapphire's airplane. It was just I don't want to
miss. I don't want to miss represent
the point I'm making by swearing.
Instead of making a point I don't know, I always say just
like when in doubt, swear it out.
I really do. And you'll probably wonder where
we're filming. This is our new home, so you
might be seeing a lot more of this depending upon who comes
over. It's a bookshelf.
A vinyl show. It's a vinyl show.
Come on now it. Is vinyl in it now?
It is. It is.
So anyways, yes, Ben and I love sinners from start from
beginning to the end. And it's funny because Bane is
not a horror guy. He he will swear it.
No, no, you're not. You're not.
I'm the queen of horror. I'm the queen of horror.
You guys know this two different.
Approaches to horror. And one of them is the same way
it is to any art. If you it's not good, you don't
consume it. That's me.
If the horror film isn't going to be good, I don't want to
watch. It this is where I would put
lay. All.
Horror. Yes.
Layers of bad, bad, layers of garbage and and the good ones.
Layers of garbage. Things I have seen you watch.
You barely see me watch because you can't even stand being in
the room, I said. At that, the minute a head
explodes. Table and made your wedding
dress and watched you watch. Absolute garbage.
Y'all I just I consume more because you know what it's my
comfort. Some people like to say that
Disney movies are a comfort or ROM cons No, I need to see blood
splatter. I need to see heads exploding.
I need to see booties bursting, Dicks being decapitated.
Dicks being decapitated, wow. Sorry, I'm sorry.
Chopped off, circumcised, full circumcision, you know, just cut
that shit off. Not yours though.
I need yours. I need babies still.
I need babies. That's.
The only reason you keep me? The only reason why I'm keeping
you around that insurance, health insurance because you we
shits expensive. Y'all in America.
That's the horror show right now.
But yes, so Ben's layer of horror and my layer of horror
are two different spectrums. And why are we married?
I don't know. Maybe because we're just really
good at other things sounds like.
There are other things. But you know, yeah, it just does
break my heart when you don't want to take part in my
bloodbathory. Not scary.
It's just gross. Some, some can be scary, some
can be scary. So I was yes, it can be both.
It can be both. But I don't find it scary.
So going back to Sinners, when the first trailer for Sinners
came out, I was already sold. I was like vampires.
Well, first I was like Ryan Coogler.
Check. Black, check.
Black, black, check, check, check.
Oh, it's adult vampires. Definitely didn't see that
coming from the Billboard. Triple check, triple check.
And that's what I loved about it is that if you did not see, you
know, any trailers, if you didn't see any footage besides
the, you know, the standstill, that little stand alone poster
and it's literally them in the sunset, you don't know what the
hell this movie was going to be. Yeah, good branding, looks cool.
Looks great you. Can tell it's a period piece.
You can tell it's got Michael B Jordan in it.
You can. You can get a, you can tell.
You can tell that Quinton Tarantino and George Clooney
were in From Dust Still Dawn. What?
Well, you probably never see the poster, I know, but you were
just saying, you know, you could tell that Michael B Jordan you.
Know my point being that like the the Billboard for sinners
got you immediately. I don't know what the Billboard
for dust till dawn. The Billboard for Dust Till
Dawn. If I remember correctly, it was
in like, orange and black writing.
It's Tarantino, George Clooney on the cover.
I don't think you see any vampires in the back.
It looks very grindhousy. Yeah, it looks very grindhousy.
OK. So you OK?
So I'm going to jump immediately into that.
First, go ahead. Because you were about to
comment about how, like looking at the billboards for sinners,
you wouldn't know it's about vampires.
But when the movie starts, you know it's a horror film right
off the bat. It opens in a way like
undeniably a horror film. Spoilers.
Did you? Are you going to put up a
spoiler? I guess we might have to put
some spoil. We are going to spoil this both.
Of these films. So if you've never seen these
films and I'll put it in the beginning.
But right. Now like please stop this right
now and then come back. Spend the next. 4 hours of your
life. Watching those movies and.
Then and then come right back. Come right back here.
So I was actually pulling the front desk Till Dawn poster.
But we're not. It doesn't even matter at.
This point you, you know immediately, yeah, that Sinners
is a horror film. You don't necessarily know what
the horror is, but you know from from jump the vibe just Till
Dawn's intention is to trick you.
It is. Supposed to surprise you.
It feels like an indie. Like a violent indie crime
store. Like a typical, I mean it, let's
let's take it back 90s Tarantino.
He was all about being very long winded.
If you all know what I'm talking about.
The long winded dialogue, it's always like over masculinity.
It's very gritty. It opens up almost like a
spaghetti western. And I only say spaghetti western
because in a modern day take of a spaghetti western because it
does have that kind of grid of is this going to be a cops and
robbers like obviously George Clooney, Tarantinos characters,
their brothers on the run. They get into it with a bunch of
cops and beginning and there are a little layer setting up the
scene and then they venture off to Mexico where you're like.
It's a yeah, it's a, it's a fucking drug running murder.
It's a, it feels like a Tarantino film.
It doesn't feel like a genre. No, it just feels like another
Tarantino film. And let's.
Well, before Tarantino films were Tarantino films, yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's, you know,
Tarantino had like a couple under his belt at the time and
then this. And so this is kind of like a
different Tarantino Robert Rodriguez film all together.
I believe this is Robert Rodrick as his first film as a director.
So there's a lot. It's not a perfect film, but
what movie is nowadays I have no idea.
But I know that hit Tarantino and him are beefing.
So right now, yeah, Tarantino talks some shit, saying
basically George Clooney hasn't been an actor in like 1015
years, completely forgetting that he owned and dominated the
2000s of the the ROM cons and the action movies and all that.
Also like. I put some respect when it's
due. Name off top of my head.
At least 4 movies in the last 15 years that George Clooney
schooled in. There you go.
The descendants. Great movie.
And now I've been 13 years no. It's not 1515.
Yeah. Yeah.
So anyways, so breaking down the films, you know, in the
beginning, it's like, yes, From dusk Till dawn.
The plot starts as two bank robbers on the run.
They take a family hostage across the border, end up at a
topless bar. The problem is the bar is
infested with vampire fires, which we didn't know until the
midpoint, the big reveal. It's a big, it's a big red
herring. It's a big turn.
Yeah, and then they have to find their way out.
Now, Sinners. Brief description to former
criminals, cousins, brothers, whatever you want to call them.
Y'all know what I'm talking about.
If you've seen the movie, if you didn't, please stop this and
don't ruin it for yourself. Don't, don't, don't do it to
yourself. OK?
So again, drawing inspiration. The two criminals, they want to
start a new life in 1930s and this is in Oh my God, where am I
thinking? It's in the Mississippi Delta
during Jim Crow's 1930s. So that's setting the tone
already. All right, it's all just some
scary shit. But yes, two brothers on the
run. They want to open up and start a
new life for themselves and they start up to open a sugar shack.
OK, now what happens with the sugar shack or Juke joint?
Juke joint, sugar shacks. They're both the same stuff.
Looking at my notes, so cute. You picked horror and and a
vampire and a vampire turns a vampire.
It turns other vampires. Vampire turns another vampires
into more. It's just a bloodbath of
vampires. It goes from being this, OK,
where's the horror elements? Then the big reveal is there is
a vampire with a bit of history, a bit of lore.
This is where I have. Sent around plot points that we
are absolutely going to have to spoil.
We will have to. Compare them.
We will. We will.
But again, some people try to question it.
Is it a horror movie or is it a suspenseful movie?
It doesn't matter. It has the lore, it has the
scary, it has the horrific tones of 1930s Jim Crow South.
Just because something here's the thing about horror films
that I think that you and I can follow on different.
This is my stance, and I think you come at my favorite horror
films in this because you like, you're like, it's not scary.
It's a thriller. It's not scary.
It's it's like suspenseful. OK.
Just because you aren't scared doesn't mean the movie's not a
horror film. It absolutely.
Intended to scare people, frankly, especially in 2025.
People are fucking jaded. So just because it doesn't scare
you? One of my closest friends, I was
talking about how Nosferatu was one of the most scariest movies
to me in recent years and his response was that movie's not
scary. I was like I'm so sorry what the
fuck are you talking about? OK, I will agree Nosferatu
wasn't scary for me, but as far as gothic horror goes, it's a
brilliant film, just like Del Toro's Frankenstein.
Again, gothic horror, still great I.
Do think Nosferatu is a horror film and and and Del Toro's
Frankenstein is a fairy tale? Uh oh, we might need to have a
horny for horror part 4. We'll do it.
We might have to do this if y'all want it.
Gothic horny. We could talk.
We could talk about. The Point V Knock.
In those Fratsu, yeah. And that God awful Bram
Stroker's Dracula from 1992. We could absolutely throw that
shit in, yeah. Absolutely.
So anyways, we're going. These vampires.
So again, the representation of
sex is heavily based on both of these films.
So I'm not talking about positive news.
I'm not talking about sex positive.
News, sinners, sinners is. Hold up, all right, ease your
way into it. Lubit sexual representation when
it comes to sex in both of these movies because you know this is
horny for horror and of course your girl has to break down
these sexuality themes and all that.
Both films represent sex very very very very very differently.
One movie completely degrades women.
It is a misogynistic sake on Lisbon then the other film
however you want to take it. Some people are the Internet are
saying that Ryan Coogler had to insert the fact that pussy
eating is five times in the movie.
Yes, cooter eating, eating that coochie 5 times mentioned in the
film as a black man, as a black person watching this.
Believe it or not, oral sex, especially kind of Lingus in the
black community is still very much a taboo.
It's always please the man, never really pleasing about the
woman. So to see a black man, a black
director, make it a point to mention kind of Lingus in so
many various ways. And also painting it with a
very, very quotable line from Haley Stanfield, Stanfield's
character, Steinfeld's character, Sorry, girl, who
plays a biracial woman. I got to say the way sex is
represented in this, I know I spit out my my popcorn and my
drink when we heard I heard you. I heard you loud and clear, but
then you suck your tongue in my Coos and fuck me so hard.
I figured you could you change your mind.
What are you talking about cooter in this in the 1930s, you
know your grandmama was probably put crutching her purse but at
the same time she was like oh I remember those days being at a
Juke joint getting my pussy eating in the back of a club.
Spoiler alert. There's a whole spoilers.
There's just a lot. There's the way, again, sex in
both films is being represented. It's on totally different
spectrums. So again, remember, like I said
five times, cunnilingus is mentioned in Sinners.
Now, when it comes to talking about sex and From Dusk Till
Dawn, I mean, first of all, you have Tarantino's character.
He is a pedophile. He is a rapist.
He is a murderer. He is a bank robber.
And we're supposed to feel sympathy for him?
In some way or another, we're supposed to feel sympathy for
both of these brothers, right? No, they're very they're not
likable at all. You're not supposed to like them
like they are not the heroes of the story, though.
People try to say like, oh, but they're the main.
No, no, no, no, no. They're toss aways.
They're big names. They're big name characters, but
we're not rooting for that. Big names, then, yeah.
OK, yeah, OK George Clooney was, you know, still on his ER kick.
Oh, it was the same. Yeah.
It's around the same time of ER. And again, Tarantino has already
gotten his notoriety from Pulp Fiction.
Robert Rodriguez steps in as a new director.
These. Were after those.
Yes, yes. So it's a very interesting time
of the 90s. But it's yeah, it's very like
they're not like they're, they're written as like gross
arc, like gross stereotypes of like criminal men that like kind
of suck, but they like they expect you or maybe not to
actually like them. Whereas the two brothers in
sinners are. Smoking stack.
They they are sinners. Sin is a big concept of it, but
at the same but at the same time like they're, they're well
fleshed out, they're three-dimensional.
They've got very clear motivations outside of just the
plot. They build relationships
differently, they're likable, they're admirable, and you want
to root for them. Not to mention, again, how often
are we able to see black representation on a on screen
where they're not portrayed as necessarily thugs?
Yes. Did they run the mill of Chicago
in the said story? Yes.
But the focus is not them being gangsters.
The focus is to black men trying to make something for themselves
and for them. It's making this juicy joint
happening. It also addresses the fact that
like that was like crime and like the the gangs and
everything was the only option available.
Exactly this. Is this is their attempt to
like? Redeem themselves.
Start. It's a clean slate for
everybody. Everybody in that film, in
Sinners one way or another, was seeking a way out of something.
Yeah, Dusk Till Dawn is about to.
They're they're on the run because they fucked up in
Sinners. They're trying to get a new
start. Right.
So going back on the sexual representation scale, so from
Dusk till Dawn, the first half of the film establishes a
traditional, often misogynistic environment.
Graphical sexual references, a strip club setting, frequent
topless nudity. I mean, it's the 90s.
We all love the little bustier boobies just out of nowhere.
But on top of that, Richie Gekko, that is Tarantino's
character. As I said, he has like these
delusions towards. I believe in the movie Juliette
Lewis is supposed to be anywhere between 14 and 16.
So again, a child. A child so and already you know,
people who know Tarantino, we all know he's got a little creep
factor. We all know about his foot
fetishing. But rewatching this movie, it's
very fucking obvious. But rewatching this movie again,
for me personally until I rewatched this with Benjamin, it
had been like 20 years since I've seen this movie.
I didn't realize how disgusting Tarantino's character is.
And to be honest, some of the quotes, I don't think this movie
would fly. It would not fly in 2020.
And I know that they did have to water down a lot of context when
Spike TV at the time took over and made the TV show.
I know there were some vast differences on that.
It's an. Interesting thing that one
comparison that I hadn't thought about yet.
They both have lines that are meant to shock you.
Yeah, but. In Sinners, when the line you
put earlier, when Hailee Steinfeld's character Mary says
that, it shocks you in a way that you go, yeah, and all the
lines that are meant to shock you in.
From Dus to dawn. Make you go.
It was very uncomfortable. It's intended to make you.
It's intended to make you uncomfortable and not be fun or
good. Not at all.
And. Make you feel gross.
And then, of course, you know, there's the hilarious elements.
Everybody knows about the sex machine.
If you don't know who I'm talking about, I'm talking about
Tom Savini character in from Dusseldon Wild makeup artist
extraordinaire. Okay, this man has just perfect
like honestly, I love Tom Savini as a makeup artist and even as
sex machine he's a great character he's fun he's less
disgusting compared to everybody else.
But at the same time, I mean what's quoted is sex machines
gun literally is his cock. That was the.
Point where I had where I was like, wait, hold on, what the
fuck is this movie? Because it it is again.
It's supposed to be that moment. Like they OK can are we still in
the intro? No, we're we're going into the,
the sexual elements of the show, of the movies.
You want to talk? OK.
Yeah, I mean, again, we're talking about the sexual
elements of the movie. So again, this gun, it's clearly
his cock. I mean, not really.
It's a it's a gun shaped like his.
It's. Like a wild Wild West bullshit
thing where like his COD piece flips out a revolver.
And it shapes like a guy, like a Dick.
With it. Yes, he can shoot with it.
This went from being I'm going to talk from this.
Sort of go. Ahead, this went from being like
a a gritty and upsetting and unsettling but at least like
kind of tense like crime noir, like pseudo like super low
budget indie like crime noir to suddenly you're in the strip
club you could talk about. The twitty, the titty twister
that is the name of I could talk about.
Yes, I am going to talk about Teach Mary.
The cameos start showing up and suddenly, like that was the
first thing that made me go. What the Wait, what?
Because it's all intended to trick you.
It's not supposed to be like it doesn't set a tone.
It's all a gag. Which is wildly different from
Sinners. That early on tells you the kind
of movie this is. Going that is going to be it.
And then it's the slow build of tension.
Whereas in Dusk Till Dawn they're like, yeah, yeah, this
is going to be a gritty noir. And then suddenly there's a man
who has a gun penis codpiece that he fires with pelvic
thrusts, not with his hands, no. And suddenly you're like, this
isn't the tone at all that you told me this was going to be.
This is not the same type of movie.
These are almost two different films.
Very, very much. Two different films.
And again, Cheech Marin's character chat pussy, you know,
he has the infamous line when everybody's walking in to the
titty twister and it's a long line, but he's like, come on.
All right, pussy, pussy, pussy. Come on, pussy lovers.
Here at the titty twister, we're slagging pussy in half.
Give us like it's all about Pussy as an auction.
Vaginas. Bloody pussy, velvety pussy,
black pussy. He even goes into racism,
calling it yellow pussy, hairy pussy.
Lot of racism, lot of racism. So again, this is not a movie
that's representing and welcoming for women.
This is a movie that was made for little boys, for little
insult boys. No offense to enjoy, feel.
Like that was the target audience.
Yes, like. Yeah, it's and it's and it is a
lot of like the the racism is played for laughs in a way that
like in the 90s, people got away with a lot more.
But you cannot like. It's not right.
Product of its time, but if we were to turn it and flip the
script and maybe have a white guy play Cheech Marin's
character. Oh, it would have been.
Probably a lot. It would have been problematic
as fuck. Can you imagine a man in the 90s
or even just now if we were to put dust sold on now and you
replace Cheech Marin with one of the top actors right now and we
just flip in and say we're going to make them white.
Can you imagine somebody getting away with it on the script
saying we got yellow pussy, black pussy nap like all day.
We never fly in the in the 20 twenties right now.
It would not fly. It really would not.
It shouldn't fly, but I don't think it would fly.
So again, when I'm being watching this, I'm like, I'm
looking at him like, Oh my God it.
Doesn't fly no matter what. Rate no, no, it just it's
uncomfortable like I get it y'all got pussy, we're in the
titty bar. You got pussy period pussy for
free pussy for a penny. So now we're we, we're devaluing
women. And this is not me saying like
you should never devalue women in movies.
Just maybe have a better contact.
Do it for laughs. I guess yeah, the.
Thing that happens in movies all the time is like people like
there's a people if if you're going to be like we're just
comparing the two films if we're just going to compare the two
films. Dusk Till Dawn spends a stupid
amount of time objectifying women either for laughs or to
like make like an almost exclusively male audience horny,
whereas anytime like anytime women's sexuality is brought up
in. Sinners.
It is at at worst just accepted
as a a fact of being human and at best their sexuality is
celebrated. Not to mention the fact that how
comfortable men in sinners comes to sex when it comes, not even
just about the physicality of sex.
Again, cunnilingus. I'm I'm gonna just keep you all
focused on the fact that there's such an oral fixation.
Is that coincidence because vampires have oral fixations?
The neck biting, could it be that?
Like a monster that transforms you by by way of like it's.
Not it's not. Consumption and etcetera have
like and so much of the sexuality being oral based.
In contrast, Dusk Till Dawn, where the we're gonna get to
this, I'm sure I'm gonna save my point about how it's not
actually a vampire movie. Oh my God.
But the vampires and the sexuality is about foot
fetishes. OK, it's not really exactly
about foot fetish, we'll just get into it.
The infamous parts. About it are about foot.
Infamous scene. Salma Hayek dangling the boa
constrictor, which she was like, utterly afraid of.
Yes, she singles out Tarantino in the movie, does her little
sexy striptease in which she doesn't really strip down, but
she's already in a bikini clad. Yeah, she does a little sexy
dance and it's cute. It's sexy.
And then it just gets fucking weird because then it's.
Sexy. It serves 0 plot.
Zero plot points other than as Tarantino had said off camera
and in an interview shortly after the movie was released.
I'm the director. I mean, I'm the producer.
I should be the focus. Yes, I'm having her put her foot
in my mouth. OK, cool, Tarantino.
Cool. What's the tough to do with
vampires? Don't know what that has to do
with vampires, but cool daddy you you take the tequila shot.
The tequila foot shot. Not sure what that is about.
It's got nothing it. Contributes.
Nothing. It's just another weird instance
of like his foot fetish in the movie.
And again, here's the thing. Oh, I'm sorry, and I quote, not
producer As Tarantino said, her character was dancing for the
writer. Tarantino.
Literally is saying I wrote this for me.
Yes, yeah, that's not. Not for the general male gaze of
an odd film, which is weird. So again, that's just.
It's weird. Because you have a sex positive
podcast. Can I address this real?
Quick please. Our problem is not with people
who have foot fetish. Absolutely not.
That's totally fine if you have a foot fetish.
The problem is when it's my fetish is not your fetish, your
fetish is not my fetish, and Tarantino forces his foot fetish
on everyone who watches this fucking movie.
And here's where it also gets problematic.
So the vampires in From Dusk Till Dawn Easley would say that
the women vampires are in charge because in fact, they are luring
these men into the Titty bar. OK.
And it's all men in this bar. There's no women who are patrons
in this bar. So that's one specific thing
that the women are in charge to kill all these fuckers, all
right, in a misogynistic, weird way, they're trapping them with
their pussies. And then the big reveal is, Oh
my God, these are not real women with real titties.
These are vampires. Oh my God, these are demons.
And that's becomes, is this a vampire movie?
Is this a zombie movie? Or is this just a bloodbath that
just happens to have a sprinkle of vampires and the lore behind?
It vampires, but they don't follow any vampire tropes.
No, they follow zombie tropes. Very much.
Well, except for the sun. I mean, the sun part plays a
part in it, Yeah, but but how? These vampires are dying, Yeah.
Like you, they're like they're getting blown up with shotguns
also. And when you are when you are
being overwhelmed by a mob, that's a zombie trope.
Very much. Like when you're like, when
you're boarded up, hunkered down somewhere and trying to like,
trying to like fend off an angry, like a mob of monster of
mindless, no personality monsters with shotguns who are
just might as well be animals with whatever firearms and
weapons you can make. That's a zombie trope.
That's a zombie. Movie.
I never thought my own husband would be saying that's a zombie
trope as much as he hates zombies.
But I know the trope. You do know the tropes, and I'll
give you that on top of that too.
On top of that, when you think about sinners, okay, they use
the vampire trope from jump in the club.
You know, in the club setting, when Remnick and his friends,
his band of jolly little people, are coming in, they're asking to
be invited in one. Of the best vampire tropes of
all time is you. They can't come in unless you.
I'm not going to lie, and it's been a while since I've seen a
good vampire movie that has used this trope.
OK? Very much like since Fry Fest.
And we're talking about the newer and not the older I.
Am talking about the Colin Farrell.
One, the Colin Farrell 1 is great, but so is the old one
too. But again, it's not often that
you see these vampire tropes modern day talking about Let me
in. Why you?
The drooling fact, all that is vampires, all of that is
horrifying. Also they use vampire tropes to
to single them out where it is not in the.
I don't even think they even bother.
Because they didn't. Really turn you as soon as you
get bitten you're transformed into a vampire in dusk till dawn
and that looks that's the same thing as zombies you're like
well how do we know well. On top of that, on top of that,
there's this whole Eroticism to repulsion on from dust sold on.
It's we are fantasizing the land of pussy.
Okay, all these beautiful women at my own disposal and then all
of a sudden the minute they turn into these monsters, I'm no
longer attractive. I'm fearing for my fucking life.
Fuck these bitches, I'm out. That's really what this shit is
all about. Zombie versus vampire trope
because how does it go down in sinners?
Sinners with this When it comes to the change, there is a
moment, there's a death, there's a realization that someone's not
moving. He's got bit.
Why are you asking me to come in?
It's also like it's the the it's the subtlety in zombie zombies.
You get overwhelmed, you get if you're you get attacked by brute
force and you get turned and in and that's all of the people who
get turned in Dusk till Dawn, all of them.
It's like they get overwhelmed, they lose the fight, etcetera.
And in Sinners, it's the vampire trope of seduction, even if it's
not like the hot goth sexy vampire seduction of Interview
with a Vampire or Dracula. But it is very much.
Or the sparkly seduction. To engage you they're trying to
entice you to come and like and none of our characters fall for
it because it's not the same type of genre, right It's or not
the not the same type of vampires and it's.
I think one of my favorite. It's not a romance, but it is
that moment where they like it's all they try to coerce you.
They don't try to take you by force.
Like the perfect scene. The perfect scene is where
Cornbread is begging to be let back in.
Now mind you, Cornbread, he is the bouncer of the club.
And so the fact that he's asking Smoke, yeah, he's asking Smoke.
The bouncer's asking Smoke, 1/2 of the club's owner to be let
back in. He's like, what you talking
about? You just said you had to go to
the bathroom. Yeah.
Why can't you let yourself in, Ryan?
Coogler took and again, talking about like tropes, but that's
what makes up monster movies. That's what makes up monster
stories is you. Your monster is bound by the
tropes, and if you don't play by the tropes, you're not playing
the same monster. That's why people in Twilight
aren't vampires. Not to mention the constant like
the continuity of this ever so like the lore with Remic being
from Ireland. OK Remic sorry messing up on all
the characters. Remic's character being from
Ireland. And this adds on to what Ryan
Coogler said of where he was drawing inspiration.
Yes he drew inspiration and did say he had inspired was inspired
by From Dusk Till Dawn and other vampire movies.
Irish. Things in from dusk till.
Dawn No, I'm just saying. But when I talk about the Irish
beginnings and the lore, it's it's.
Genre when you make a genre. Hold on, Baber, let me finish.
So as I was trying to say, you have Ryan Coogler, who says,
well, also one of my inspirations was Luck of the
Irish. And then you're looking at the
Irish lore that is put in with the vampire and blackness of
this movie. It's a whole different movie
within itself. But again, it's about culture,
it's about family, it's about togetherness, and that's all
Remick wanted to do. He wanted to just make a new
family. Now, whether or not you want to
say, is Remnick technically like the white devil?
Probably not. I think the man probably has
some good intentions. I asked the white person.
Don't think that. I think, I don't know the white
devil. I don't think he was the white.
Like he might have been the white devil, but I was kind of
like feeling, hey, I would be part of your vampire clan.
His goals were. Ultimately selfish.
Yes, his goals were selfish, but then when you think about it,
1930s, a white Irishman is willingly trying to get in and
find a way in with a black community.
That's odd 'cause you think, OK, if a white man in the 1930s is
stepping up into a Juke joint with two other white people,
shit's about to go down. It's the Klan.
No, he heard good music, he said.
This reminds me of my, of my Irish, you know, folklore and my
background. I want to spread my love with
them, so why can't I? And Ben's looking at me like,
really? Really.
That's what he keeps saying. He keeps saying I'm just
convinced, OK, I didn't see any harm with my Nick, other than
the fact that you're killing my people.
That's it. That's it.
That's a pretty big heart. He killed my people for
community. Selfish.
I'm gonna get cancelled for this.
A lot of people. I'm gonna get cancelled.
I'm gonna get cancelled for this.
OK, OK, I'm gonna draw it over. Here I'm going to get cancelled.
Comparisons between the two The vampire archetype Yes, you need
a vampire. You need someone, one of them
who has a personality, who has no not charisma, but who has
power and who's leading it. And the whole infection of
everyone else getting turned. If they get turned, depending on
the vampire movie, they're they're being turned by the the
villain, by the antagonist, by the archetypal vampire, which
From Dusk Till Dawn does not have.
There's no leader, there's no main vampire, There's just a
mob. Well, people will argue and say
that maybe Salma Hayek was the main vampire, but again.
Spoilers she gets killed immediately like she.
Doesn't have a personality. She has no personality body.
And that's a sexy dance. And she feeds Tarantino's
fetish, and then they kill her. Yeah, that's.
Her her whole troll. That's not yeah, she's not
that's she's not playing the archetypal leader of the
vampire. But again, if you were to pick a
leader out of that group, it would probably be her because
she was the main focal point. If you have to pick, if you have
to, there isn't one, right? There's not, there's no real,
there's no real leader of the pack.
Like Benjamin said, it's just a mob.
And then like we said, Remic and his band of merry thieves or
whatever you want to call him, his followers, they were the bad
guys. But again, was it bad guys or
was it, hey, we're going to break the stereotype?
Absolutely bad. Guy, I'm just saying I didn't
see anything. I did not see anything.
I'm not, I'm not defending that man.
I'm not defending that man. But he heard some good music.
He saw black people having a good time and Jim Crow South and
said well fuck it, fuck it, I need some of this too.
Absolutely. He is the white boy that
everybody was talking about. What are you?
Intentionally leaving out like his whole motivation.
No, OK, no, no. You haven't gotten there yet.
I just hadn't gone there. OK, you're defending him so
hard. You're on this.
You're you're prepared to die on this.
Real weird. I'm not.
I'm not preparing to die. I'm not preparing to die.
So again, the agency of sex, sex representation on both spectrums
of these moves are completely different.
So again, are you still with us? Do you think that Sinners and
From Dusk Till Dawn are the same movie?
Because they're not They're not They're not.
On top of that, I got to say I love the relationship that Smoke
and Annie had in Sinners. You get a healthy 1.
Healthy, but it also speaks in bigger volumes.
So there was this article that I was reading and the title of the
article was actually sinners tries what we deny on on
desiring. And they're talking about
desiring of a big beautiful full figured black woman whenever we
see a lot of the times black women.
Yeah, very interesting. So again, there's always been
this way of what a woman should look like.
You know, a woman should be petite and frail and she is.
She has big boobs. She still has to have a small
waist In here in centers, we see women of all different shades
and colors. And it makes it a very big
point, even in the very 10 seconds of intimacy that we see
between Annie and Stack, even though I mean, Smoke, it's not
like a fuck like Come and take Me, but she's like, it's
passion. They hadn't seen each other a
while. There's so much pain and love
that's in their relationship. But to see a skinnier man with a
full figured black woman, What? I love you.
I'm not. I don't think Michael Cage.
I don't think Michael B Jordan counts as a skinnier.
Man, not well, you know what I mean?
Like he's not exactly like overweight, but he's also not
underweight. And you see Annie, she is a full
like. No, I follow.
You she's a full BBW and respectfully I think.
Michael B Jordan is built like a fucking superhero.
He's a tank. He's built like a tank, but in
this movie he's a little bit more submissive.
He almost submits to her, I think.
I would I would argue that Annie is the only person.
He submits to absolutely because there was just this one part
where you know you see the dynamic of the relationship and
just that the five minute scene, you understand it all.
This woman has been through everything with this man that's.
All of them, yeah. There's not a of the of the
three like of the three male leads and their female
counterparts and their dynamics and their relationships.
There's not a single moment where the men, there's not a
single moment where the women are submissive to the men.
The men are submissive to the women.
So again, you have any? Not in a like a weird, not not
weird, but like not in a like really obvious like power play
way. Just in a very in a very subtle
like no, we're on equal terms. And I know that you're I know
that you're right. I know that you make your
decisions are our level, whereas it's like and they it's built on
mutual respect. Except I would say that the
women are more the, you know, demeanors in this, especially
when it comes to sex. Annie demeanors like dominance.
Yeah. Dom doms like taking the lead of
handling sex. Annie was talking about my body
missed you. I need you.
And she gets it from him and he's gripping her and touching
her. And you don't see that a lot in
movies when it comes to bigger women with smaller body type
men. And especially you don't see it
with dark skinned black women and lighter skinned black folk.
That's a different topic for another day, but again, I'm
going to put the link to this one article because it is
fascinating how it broke down this one five minute scene into
making a whole narrative of how uncomfortable we are when it
comes to seeing full dark bodied women on screen getting
pleasured. On top of that, now we got Mary
on top of smoke. They're they're fucking in the
back of the the sugar shack. And she spits in his mouth.
Now, would you say that's submissive?
And it's almost like Stack was feeding into this, this fetish.
I would say it's. Nasty.
It nasty but we like a little spit play but not just like you
know. Nasty in a.
Fun way. It was nasty in a fun way.
They even comment. It's really funny when they talk
about that one scene. The movie goes, oh, but it's
sexy. It's sexy at the same time.
You you would think it's nasty and then you think about it.
It's like, yeah, I'd spit in his mouth too, girl, I'd spit in his
mouth too. Like I'd spit in his mouth.
We all swap spit. You would spit in his mouth too.
But the way that again you see Mary and Stacks relationship,
Mary is very dominant, she claims.
And he tries. He's so hard.
He like tries to get the other upper hand all the way all the
time and all the time she's just like.
No, no, you ain't the one. And some people even will argue
to say like maybe it was Mary's plan all along.
Like she could have turned around and not bit stack and you
know, 'cause this night of debauchery and fuckery.
I don't think that. Wait, who?
Who, who? Where are these theories you're
getting? I'm telling you these.
Don't make any. Actually, some of these do.
Wild.
Because if you think about it, Mary was already married off in
an unhealthy relationship. OK, we don't know it was.
An. Unhealthy marriage?
Well, it's kind of wasn't her true, it wasn't her true love.
So we're just going to say there, it's for the for the
plot, for the plot. Clearly Mary's not happy with
her husband. She's always wanted Stack.
But of course, you know, Mary being a little bit more passing.
You don't know what I'm talking about with passing.
Look at the fuck up, OK? Go watch the movie Passing.
Go watch the movie passing, it's a great movie.
Conversation about that film. So as Mary's passing in Jim Crow
South and she has a very tumultuous relationship, it
seems like with Stack that they are able to fuck but they can
never really be together and the only time they can actually
really be together is when after they're.
Dead. Is after they're dead.
OK, but but that's what I'm saying.
Some people try to say like maybe it was Mary's plan all
along. She wanted stack.
Now she's got Stack. I'm just saying that's what the
people said, not me. Don't quote it.
Don't quote me. Don't quote me.
I didn't say it. The people said that.
Was the case, it would assume that everyone had the same plan.
Who knows? I don't know I'm.
Pretty sure Cornbread's plan was different.
Cornbread's plan? He was hungry all right.
Mary. She was horn green.
Mary was horn green. You're.
Blaming, like all the victims. No, I'm not blaming, just no,
no, no. Why?
How are you going to get every? This is not the point of this
podcast, but how are you going to get everyone to follow Mary's
plan? I don't know.
Moving on, Not justified. Moving on.
Moving on someone. Pulled out of their ass.
Moving on, moving on. So again, the female agency in
in From Dusk Till Dawn kind of flips because again, women are
seen as more of the objects. Women are seen more as objects.
Then you've got Juliette Lewis's character who was a little bit
of a frail teenager, but then she puts the big girls panties
on and she's got a fight. And that's when you're like, oh,
she's got a little bit redemption.
She's not this, you know, frail throwaway, you know, damsel in
distress. She's got to save her own
family. Her brother got killed, her
father got killed. Now she's got to deal with these
two fuck heads kids, you know, at the bar and trying to survive
the night. Boom.
What are you looking at me for? Because I said fuck heads.
No, I'm just waiting. No, I have no comments on
Juliette Lewis's character because she has no character.
There's no personality. There's the her role is victim,
and then victim turned. Vigilante, not a.
Badass. Yeah, she's not a badass.
She's. Not anything, she barely has a
character. It's.
Not she got into, you know what? She grew up.
She had. She was forced to grow up in the
movie. She was forced to grow up
because the two men in her life died.
She is the wow, Yeah, that's real.
Real feminist. It's not feminist and it's not a
feminist movie. The only time that you can
actually step into your own is if the men in your life.
Die, die. And that's literally what we are
left with, that that is the resolution of femme fatale in
this case of a movie. But she's not really a femme
fatale. But I'm saying that's just the.
At best, it's last girl. But.
Not even a good last girl, because George Clooney's still
the one saving everybody. Yeah, she's, I mean, but she is
the final girl, so we give her that.
But does she really count as a final girl?
No. George Clooney has more
character development. I would argue that George
Clooney is the final girl. There you go, she's also.
Prettier. So no.
Offensive, Julia. So I would say to wrap it up
with From Dusk till Dawn. I would say that ultimately sex
is presented as a dangerous predatory force welded by its
female antagonists transforming. Wielded by.
The yes, the female antagonist transforming the conventional
vampire seductress trope into something more monstrous and
empowering before ultimately having their the male heroes and
surviving character destroy them.
That's literally what that is. Yeah, there's definitely a part
in the in the during like the turn in the monstrous
slaughterhouse that takes. So fucking long.
It does take a little bit too long.
Where like it feels like the, it does feel like the lesson is
going to be all these men are bad dudes and the women vampires
are going to tear them to pieces.
And then instead they're all killed by the men.
So like, yeah, you're right. No, that's if there's a lesson
in Dustal Dawn. It's If you're a powerful sexual
woman, you are going to be killed by men who are hate and
fear your agency. So, and I would say to wrap it
up with the sum of sinners, I would say the symbol, the
symbolism talking about the sexual encounters, particularly
oral sex are not just physical but symbolic, representing
culture, exchange, healing and a rejection of explosive forces,
vampires. But if I need anything to
compare the two in terms of like the final, this final summary,
it's that we gave you the summary of Dusk Till dawn.
We've told you pretty much everything that happens in Dusk
Till Dawn. We've told you a of what happens
in sinners. I feel like.
So much more. There's a lot there's a lot more
deeper elements, but when it comes to like I said, when it
comes to the focal point here on sapphires of your play, I wanted
to focus on the sexual representation of what movies
these movies both bring. And there is compare the movies.
Yeah, I mean we we are comparing the movies, but I'm talking, you
know, this focal is always say it is sex.
It is driven on sex women empowerment and I have to say
sinners does do a better job representing sex on film
representing female empowerment on film.
Whether or not you want to say that the females are submissive,
non submissive in this movie, that's.
Also, yeah, you can be submissive and still be
empowered. Absolutely.
Like those are not mutually exclusive.
And I would say, and I would say on top of that, it's like you
can decide who is submissive in this movie in Dusk Till Dawn.
You really have no choice. Oh it.
Tells you which. Character who's in in power it's
true so that's what I'm saying like you can have a difference
in seeing the dynamics of these characters but when it comes to
sex representation, I would definitely say sinners sevens
all across the board just like the seven nominations that they
got for the Golden Globes. Congratulations guys.
Still kind of miffed on some of the the snubs on the actresses
ends, but that's OK Michael B Jordan better get his GG and so
should so should Mr. Coogler. Yeah, I honestly it's I've.
Yet to see a Ryan Coogler movie I didn't think was great.
Honestly, all of his films somewhat just keep getting
better and better and I think by far Sinners is a flawless
masterpiece in my opinion of the Coogler era.
I feel like that movie can do no like you cannot do.
You cannot take that movie and redo it.
You can't flip it. You can't flip it.
I'm sorry, 99. Out of a. 100 like you really
can't flip that movie. There's like one thing in it
that I'm. Like that's Bane.
I'm just saying as somebody who has lived through a lot of
movies with black representation and a lot of movies that deal
with black horror and mixing black horror insects, I have to
say this is probably one of the better movies on that end as
I've been going through a whole black exploitation re dive and
re dig. Then got a little taste of
coffee earlier this year. You did this year.
Yeah, I know it's been a long year.
It's been such a long year. Though Jackie Brown is on the
list. Jackie Brown is on his list.
I want to clarify just because I talk a lot of shit in this one
and like in this conversation, I like Kill Bill is like one of
your like top five. Yeah.
I don't dislike Tarantino's films, I actually think he's a
very good filmmaker. I just thought, I think Just Put
On is a piece of shit. I like, I like, I like
Inglorious Basterds is fun. I think Django Unchained is an
incredible movie that Oh no, no, Pulp Fiction.
Pulp Fiction is amazing. I actually have to still watch
Pulp Fiction. We're going to watch Jackie
Brown in Pulp Fiction. Maybe we'll do a double feature.
So one for me and one for. You.
Yeah, because it's crazy. I've loved Tarantino for years.
I don't talk about it a lot because again, it's when you
talk about Tarantino, there's a lot of problem then there's.
Touchy to be an empowered woman. Who says they like Tarantino?
It's very touchy, but I always say like just give me 5 minutes
in a room with him and I will not put my foot in his mouth,
but I would love to just sit in a room and talk to him about
what he has actually really done for filmmaking, especially when
it comes to the black experience.
I think it's a very unique touch.
Some people like to say it's a little controversial, but I got
to hear from the man himself. Honestly, it is.
Interesting. Like just if we're going to
briefly touch on that before. We wrap.
Yeah, yeah, we're wrapping. Where both like both Tarantino
and Coogler are known for how they, how they, for like how
they treat black representation in their films.
And I don't, I'm not going to compare and contrast that
because I don't frankly have like the ground to stand on
about that. But it is interesting that I, I
didn't think about that until this moment.
Then I'm like, wow, they're both really known for how they treat
each of how they treat that. How they treat it and one would
say Coogler is just represented in A in a better light.
As far as it, Tarantino still has the jadedness of the amount
of times he uses the N word in his context.
But at the same time, you have put on the map a lot of black
actors, Samuel L Jackson being one of them.
I mean, longtime collaborator of his and never misses, never
fucking misses. On top of that, it's the usage
of black music that he uses. He references a lot of black
exploitation films and that takes a lot of work to do.
I think a lot of that's a style difference.
It is. Coogler makes grounded films and
Tarantino makes like like. Tarantino likes to bring you
back to a time where movies were innocent.
What? That's the word you'd use.
I must say it like that. I think it takes you back to a
time where movies were sensational.
Yes. Like the the going to the
theater was the experience. You still go to a Tarantino film
in theaters and you're like expecting to be like every
Tarantino movie, regardless of genre.
Feels like going to see a Marvel movie.
I will say. The big you need the big screen,
the big moment in the dark. You really do.
And you know what, as much as it like again, we're trying to wrap
this, there's a lot of uncertainty right now with
Hollywood. And one thing is for sure, I
just went to go see the re release of the whole bloody
affair, Kill Bill 1 and 2. The whole bloody affair is
intent. It was intended to be 4 1/2
hours long. And of course studios were like
no one's going to sit 4 1/2 hours long.
I got to say the studios were fucking wrong.
This by far way better than Kill Bill one and two and they're
literally the same movie just with added elements.
But it adds a different take. And being in the theaters and
not watching this on DVD was an experience with itself.
Even with the 15 people that were in the movie theaters with
me, no one had seen that movie in theatre until that day until
the re release. And we all pleasantly say it
like fuck, we really spent six hours at a movie and did not
complain. So studios, I don't know what
you're saying that people don't want to go to the movies.
I think you just have to make movies that are worth going to
the movies and sinners worth going to the movies.
We would love to see it again. Re released in 70 millimeter.
There have been like 4 different releases and we have missed
every single one. So Ryan Coogler, if you're
watching this or someone says it to you, can we get another 70mm
rerelease please? Please and thank you.
All right, I think that's about it.
My husband. What you think you you got some
more, some more to say? Did I do you wrong?
OK, I think he's no. Good, I got my big point out
about the fact that Dusk Till Dawn is a zombie movie.
He did and I'm very proud of him.
And not and and and A and A and again, like, not a.
It's not a vampire movie and it's not a horror film.
It's still a horror film, OK? It's a horror action.
Thing What's the How do you define a horror film?
Is it intended to scare people? Still a horror film.
Both movies are still horror films, but what type of war,
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