1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,840 This episode was recorded before the SAG, after strike and in 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,600 solidarity. This will be the final eargasm 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,600 as we will be going on hiatus until the deals are met. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,520 Please join me in solidarity at sagafterstrike.org. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,600 Enjoy the eargasm and remember safe sex is the best hot sex. 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:24,280 Enjoy warning, the following program is not for the weak 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,340 hearted. Those who are close minded in 8 00:00:27,340 --> 00:00:30,820 general, you're scared to learn what's behind closed doors here 9 00:00:30,820 --> 00:00:33,500 at Sapphire's Earplay. I want you to pour the wine, 10 00:00:33,580 --> 00:00:37,420 grab somebody that you want to hold on to, or better yet get 11 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:39,660 the vibration stimulated through your body. 12 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:46,940 Get ready for one hell of an ergasm in 54321. 13 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:49,540 What is up all you sexy motherfuckers out there in 14 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:52,540 Radioland? It's your girls sapphire back at 15 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:56,490 it and Oh my goodness, I am so excited to bring on this next 16 00:00:56,490 --> 00:00:58,970 guest. We connected through the monap 17 00:00:59,010 --> 00:01:02,170 which many it seems to be. The running theme this year of 18 00:01:02,170 --> 00:01:06,210 2023 is get all the monsters from the monap, get them on 19 00:01:06,210 --> 00:01:09,930 Sapphire's ear, play and let you know people tell their stories, 20 00:01:10,210 --> 00:01:15,130 share their talents. My guest is an erotic voice if 21 00:01:15,130 --> 00:01:17,330 you will. Erotic voice over artist. 22 00:01:17,530 --> 00:01:22,610 She is also an author and sexuality an erotica podcaster. 23 00:01:22,730 --> 00:01:26,280 You may know her as the lovely voice behind. 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Oh fuck yeah, with ruin. Willow and you guys can 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,640 definitely check it out. And she has an up and coming 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,200 project coming out just in August, so just next month 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:42,160 called Neighborhood Sex Secrets. So I am so, so happy to bring on 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,360 ruin. Oh that is not the crickets. 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,440 We are not giving crickets to you, Ruin. 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,800 Thank you so much for joining. Thank you so much for inviting 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,840 me. I'm so excited to chat with you. 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,840 I'm just really pumped and excited. 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,600 I know. I sometimes I feel people are 34 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,680 like, I never know what to expect on your show. 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,199 Expect the unexpected. It's just good times, good sex 36 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,840 enthusiasts and podcast and positivity, if you will. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,800 Look at me tongue tied already already, you guys. 38 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,120 It's not like I've been doing this for years. 39 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:22,360 Here we go. Sounds good to me, right? 40 00:02:23,790 --> 00:02:26,670 So ruin, walk me through your journey, your path. 41 00:02:26,670 --> 00:02:31,790 What led you into erotica? Especially, you know now where I 42 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:35,270 feel like erotica is in, it's just high rise. 43 00:02:36,910 --> 00:02:40,390 Definitely. It's really, yeah, it's really 44 00:02:40,390 --> 00:02:42,750 getting to a good place. But yeah, I started out writing. 45 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:45,030 I mean, I've written my whole life, and I got to take a big, 46 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:47,550 giant break from it. And around 2016, I started 47 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:51,390 writing again pretty heavily, and I started writing romance. 48 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:55,850 Just, you know, regular romance. And I was doing some nonfiction 49 00:02:55,850 --> 00:02:58,490 stuff. I started a A blog, a website, 50 00:02:58,930 --> 00:03:04,210 and I really wanted to just start adding in sex to the 51 00:03:04,210 --> 00:03:07,610 romance because I felt like it wasn't a full picture of 52 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:11,090 reality, a real relationship. Like if it's missing the sex, I 53 00:03:11,090 --> 00:03:13,410 felt like it wasn't as it was real. 54 00:03:13,450 --> 00:03:14,210 You know what I mean? Because. 55 00:03:14,870 --> 00:03:16,190 In relationships, starts fucking. 56 00:03:16,190 --> 00:03:18,910 So I wanted fucking in my stories, so I started. 57 00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:23,110 So I started to add in more sexuality. 58 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:26,590 I actually started out on Twitter and I created just on a 59 00:03:26,590 --> 00:03:33,950 total whim that I wanted to just start doing something erotic. 60 00:03:33,950 --> 00:03:37,950 So I started just like posting on Twitter and it grew from 61 00:03:37,950 --> 00:03:39,550 there and it kind of blew my mind. 62 00:03:39,550 --> 00:03:41,830 I created a website so I write stories and putting that on 63 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:44,070 there. And then people just started to 64 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:46,070 respond to me. So I kept growing and growing. 65 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:49,150 And then one day I decided it's Christmas time. 66 00:03:49,150 --> 00:03:51,750 I decided to say a little work, just a video. 67 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:54,150 I didn't record anything. I didn't recorded the black 68 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:55,350 nights. I don't know what am I spent. 69 00:03:55,590 --> 00:03:58,470 I just like happy, you know, Merry Christmas and Happy New 70 00:03:58,470 --> 00:04:01,870 Year, Happy holidays. And people started to say, I 71 00:04:01,910 --> 00:04:05,390 really love your voice. And I was like, you do. 72 00:04:06,390 --> 00:04:11,310 Isn't that interesting When it's like we never satisfied even as 73 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:14,610 voice over artist doesn't matter what, what, what type of work we 74 00:04:14,610 --> 00:04:16,089 put out. It's like when people say, I 75 00:04:16,089 --> 00:04:19,649 really love your voice. I get kind of awkward, you know, 76 00:04:19,690 --> 00:04:24,290 because I'm like, I can't stand my voice, but you know you. 77 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:26,170 Have a lovely voice. I love your voice. 78 00:04:26,370 --> 00:04:29,490 I love yours. I love you know the nice raspy 79 00:04:29,650 --> 00:04:32,570 whisper tone that you have? It's very just soothing. 80 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:35,010 So I guess we're in the right industry, right? 81 00:04:35,690 --> 00:04:39,300 Exactly, exactly. I mean, things started to grow. 82 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:41,140 And I, you know, people were saying, well, you should start a 83 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:42,220 podcast. You should start. 84 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:44,220 And I'm like, I can't do that. I'm doing all this writing. 85 00:04:44,220 --> 00:04:47,580 I'm trying to write. And about the same time, people 86 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:51,380 kept saying that to me. A man who was a director at a 87 00:04:51,380 --> 00:04:54,220 publishing house heard my voice on Twitter, Wow. 88 00:04:54,340 --> 00:04:58,180 And contacted me and said, hey, do you want, do you ever record 89 00:04:58,180 --> 00:05:02,860 audio books? And I was like, no, He says, do 90 00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:04,180 you want to? And I'm like. 91 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:09,520 Well I guess so I started that journey and he hooked me up with 92 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,360 this amazing mentor and he taught me a lot of stuff and and 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,120 I was starting to podcast around the same time. 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,600 Boom. And then I started to publish 95 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,000 books. It was kind of like this big 96 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,760 boom of like 3-4 months and like you know just big explosion of 97 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,120 everything and it's just grown from there. 98 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,160 So that's that's kind of how how I landed where I am today and I 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,920 would have never in a million years, said. 100 00:05:30,460 --> 00:05:32,380 I am going to be a podcaster someday. 101 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:34,620 I'm going to make audio books. Never. 102 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:36,300 Never. Wow. 103 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:40,020 So your interest, of course, is with erotica. 104 00:05:40,020 --> 00:05:43,340 So your sexual journey, if you will, how much does that 105 00:05:43,340 --> 00:05:46,340 incorporate with the erotica that you create? 106 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:49,060 Oh yeah, it definitely plays a role. 107 00:05:49,060 --> 00:05:51,660 And you know, some people think that just because I write about 108 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:53,820 something means I want to do that particular act. 109 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:55,500 I'm like, no, no, no, not necessarily. 110 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:57,620 I'm right. Still creating stories. 111 00:05:57,620 --> 00:06:02,510 I'm still creating fiction and. But I definitely will say every 112 00:06:02,550 --> 00:06:07,190 female character I write does have a piece of me in that 113 00:06:07,190 --> 00:06:09,270 character. It just kind of happens. 114 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:12,550 And sometimes more of it gets more of the characters, more of 115 00:06:12,550 --> 00:06:15,990 the story gets more of me in it, and other times less and. 116 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,120 You know, people just kind of, I think people just want it to be 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,600 like, I want everything. They like that. 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,160 Hey, that's okay to have it all. We can have it all, can't we? 119 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,440 That's right. So I definitely like a lot of 120 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,080 the things I do when I write about, but I definitely wouldn't 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,440 do them all, but definitely quite a few. 122 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,600 I'm very open and I'm very adventurous and I've really been 123 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,640 exploring my sexuality not only through the podcast but through 124 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,050 writing, so. And I don't like to limit 125 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:45,770 myself, you know, I know, I know people like to have a niche and 126 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:49,650 stuff, but it's kind of, I mean I guess I sort of do, but I I 127 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:53,130 have a wide niche I guess I would say what is been your 128 00:06:53,130 --> 00:06:56,690 favorite by far as far as like the niche that you're tapping 129 00:06:56,690 --> 00:06:58,610 into. But I also like how you said 130 00:06:58,610 --> 00:07:01,610 you're, you're finding different ways to explore through your 131 00:07:01,610 --> 00:07:06,410 writing, which is something that I guess sometimes for creative 132 00:07:06,410 --> 00:07:10,070 beings. You know, we do try to add in a 133 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:13,590 little bit, if you will, like elaboration of our own lives and 134 00:07:13,590 --> 00:07:16,990 kind of transpire into the world that we are creating. 135 00:07:16,990 --> 00:07:19,830 But at the same time, do you ever find yourself, like, jaded 136 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:22,070 by, you know, what you're exploring? 137 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:27,190 I have, but I tend to, I mean, I've even written things that I 138 00:07:27,190 --> 00:07:29,510 don't want to do, which is a really a challenge, you know? 139 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:31,030 But I always think about how you know. 140 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:35,870 I, I, I once is on this podcast and people were telling me, they 141 00:07:35,870 --> 00:07:37,830 were telling me that you really shouldn't write something that 142 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:39,630 you haven't done before. And I thought, well, I'm not 143 00:07:39,630 --> 00:07:42,830 writing memoir, right? And if that's true, then no one 144 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:45,150 should write science fiction, no one should write fantasy, 145 00:07:45,150 --> 00:07:46,950 because they aren't doing those things. 146 00:07:47,710 --> 00:07:50,430 Stephen King isn't a secret murderer. 147 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:52,630 Crazy man. At least like a clown. 148 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:54,110 We'd like to think that way, right? 149 00:07:57,170 --> 00:07:58,690 I mean, it does have the face for it. 150 00:07:58,690 --> 00:08:01,090 I mean, if y'all have never seen Stephen King, just look that 151 00:08:01,090 --> 00:08:06,210 motherfucker up and listen. I know, right? 152 00:08:07,690 --> 00:08:10,410 That's hilarious. But it's a it is such a great 153 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:14,050 way to explore and and not only for me, but people who are going 154 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:16,290 to be reading it. They can explore like you know 155 00:08:16,290 --> 00:08:19,530 say you're interested about something or you can read a a 156 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:21,530 fiction story about it. You could read it with your 157 00:08:21,530 --> 00:08:23,210 partner and be like hey, what do you think of this. 158 00:08:23,210 --> 00:08:26,070 It's a way to introduce too. I'm glad that you brought that 159 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:30,870 up because I have been trying to really incorporate a lot of 160 00:08:30,870 --> 00:08:34,750 erotica in the bedroom and it's definitely been a helpful tool, 161 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:37,309 especially because I don't know if you know this about me. 162 00:08:37,309 --> 00:08:40,630 I've been working in the adult industry as long as I've been in 163 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:45,470 radio and so pouring for me, you know, ladies and gentlemen, it 164 00:08:45,470 --> 00:08:49,700 it does not do anything for me, you know, it's because maybe 165 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:53,100 it's the fact that half of the people that I edit I actually am 166 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,660 very close friends with. So it's kind of that awkward 167 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:57,740 moment like I'm rooting on my friend. 168 00:08:57,740 --> 00:09:01,260 But I'm also like I can't get off to my friend in the 169 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:03,740 industry. And for the longest I had a long 170 00:09:03,740 --> 00:09:05,780 rule. If I interviewed you know a 171 00:09:05,780 --> 00:09:09,900 certain porn star on this podcast, I would never Jill off 172 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:11,940 to their material their material. 173 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:14,780 But what I really like about erotica, especially like the 174 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:20,200 audio realm, I love just sitting in the bed with my partner or by 175 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,520 myself, you know, have a couple toys, light up a joint, maybe 176 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,560 have a glass of wine and just kind of in competition, if you 177 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:31,520 will, you know, depending upon the erotica. 178 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,360 But kind of like out orgasm the character or you don't just kind 179 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,520 of like make it seem like I have a third or fourth being in the 180 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,280 room. I love that, and I really want 181 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,130 couples to start opening up more to the world of erotica. 182 00:09:47,210 --> 00:09:51,410 Like let's talk about the difference, erotica, 183 00:09:51,690 --> 00:09:54,410 pornography. I feel like there's been a great 184 00:09:54,410 --> 00:09:57,410 debate, if you will, over the years, especially since the 185 00:09:57,410 --> 00:10:01,330 pandemic where people are now turning to the word that 186 00:10:01,330 --> 00:10:04,530 pornography is just so bad, and we want to call it erotica. 187 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:07,890 You may have seen it with Wellness products, you know, 188 00:10:07,890 --> 00:10:10,650 saying that we're not porn, we're erotica. 189 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:15,490 For me, in like looking at this article that I was reading over 190 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:18,250 the weekend, it said that erotica is sometimes 191 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:22,770 misconstrued as pornography. However, as time changes, 192 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:27,410 erotica is any artistic work that deals with substantially 193 00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:31,850 erotic elements stimulation if you will, or sexually arousing 194 00:10:31,850 --> 00:10:34,490 subject matter? I completely agree. 195 00:10:35,290 --> 00:10:37,530 But what do you think the difference between erotica and 196 00:10:37,530 --> 00:10:39,450 pornography? Like, where does that lie? 197 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:43,350 I think there's a big difference, because if you're 198 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:45,430 watching porn, everything's handed to you. 199 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:48,030 You could. It'd be a lot harder to imagine 200 00:10:48,030 --> 00:10:50,430 them looking differently, doing different things, having 201 00:10:50,430 --> 00:10:53,270 different looks in their eyes. But if you are listening to a 202 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:58,590 story, you are immersing yourself in it in a different 203 00:10:58,590 --> 00:11:00,230 way than when you're watching porn. 204 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:02,270 You're using your own imagination. 205 00:11:02,430 --> 00:11:05,110 You may see the person as somebody totally different than 206 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:09,230 another person, and you're going to set that up differently in 207 00:11:09,230 --> 00:11:10,590 your brain. So I think it's. 208 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,920 I think you can definitely immerse yourself much deeper 209 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,080 into erotica, and there tends to be a story. 210 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,200 However, there there are levels of erotica, I mean, all the way 211 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,240 down from smut, which would be probably closer to porn, where 212 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,720 it's just the sex act to erotica to erotic romance, which may 213 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,920 have more of a story, more romance in it. 214 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,200 And I think that's what a lot of people like too, is they like 215 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,400 the story they like. They may like the sex scene, but 216 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,040 they really also like to know. What more about the characters 217 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,560 than just what their body parts are doing, you know? 218 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:46,680 And it erotica, especially audio erotica, can give that to you. 219 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,200 And just to listen to certain people's voices too is can be 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,200 very sensual and pleasing and definitely arousing. 221 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,120 Especially if you're an auditory person with your sexuality, you 222 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:04,120 know absolutely What are some of the sexiest sounds phrases just 223 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,480 in general, like what titillates that ear of ruin? 224 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,800 I am very I'm definitely auditory and I don't think I 225 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,440 really realized that until I was doing all of this audio. 226 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Like, I love dirty talk. I mean, I'm like all over dirty 227 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,920 talk that like, gets me crazy. And like continual 228 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,480 verbalizations is very like, if I'm looking at okay. 229 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,520 So if I'm looking at porn and it's silent, I'm like, fuck, no, 230 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,160 I want to hear you people. I want to know what the fuck 231 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,800 you're saying. I want to know how you say it. 232 00:12:36,180 --> 00:12:38,620 Give it to me, you know, like if I'm, if it's silent, I'm like, 233 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:40,980 I'm moving on. I don't want this silent shit. 234 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:44,380 Absolutely. I mean, who who honestly loves 235 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,220 silent fucking? I always get scared if you're 236 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:51,260 not responsive in the bedroom. Like, hello are are we? 237 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:53,260 Are we alive here? Like do I have a poll? 238 00:12:53,540 --> 00:12:55,860 Come on. Exactly. 239 00:12:56,140 --> 00:12:58,740 Are you alive in there? What's going on when you're. 240 00:12:58,740 --> 00:13:01,500 Yeah, because it's just it leaves that such a huge part. 241 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,660 If it it's silent, you know, that's just, that's a part of 242 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:05,540 it. Absolutely. 243 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:10,190 And then even just like in our relationships, I love a good 244 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:14,350 word play in my relationships. You know, I like dirty talking 245 00:13:14,350 --> 00:13:17,670 to the extent not like of, you know, degradation, you know, 246 00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:20,790 anything offensive. But I don't know, it's something 247 00:13:20,790 --> 00:13:25,590 about the active role play that sometimes word play versus role 248 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:27,550 play. I think it's harder to sometimes 249 00:13:27,550 --> 00:13:31,470 get into role play when you're in relationships because, you 250 00:13:31,470 --> 00:13:34,230 know, you're so used to seeing your partner one way. 251 00:13:34,860 --> 00:13:37,700 And I don't know about you, but role-playing for me always just 252 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:42,020 ends up in shits and kicks opposite route. 253 00:13:42,020 --> 00:13:45,540 But The Dirty talking, oh, honey, yes. 254 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:48,940 Like say all The Dirty things in my ear. 255 00:13:48,940 --> 00:13:51,700 Say it out loud, you know, so the neighbors can hear it. 256 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:55,180 Like the fucking louder the better. 257 00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:57,260 And you know, words are very powerful. 258 00:13:57,260 --> 00:14:01,580 I don't know, like maybe I shouldn't have been reading 259 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:04,100 this, you know, at 11:00 and 12:00. 260 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:08,110 And I do definitely blame, you know, Jackie Collins and my 261 00:14:08,110 --> 00:14:13,510 father who introduced me to the world of Jackie Collins to just 262 00:14:13,510 --> 00:14:17,910 kind of ruin, not ruin sex, but also just like the expectation 263 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:20,830 of sex I feel from a female gays. 264 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:27,270 Because we've read the old erotica from the 80s and 90s 265 00:14:27,310 --> 00:14:31,990 and, you know, just like they say that porn is so just not 266 00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:36,900 real. Yeah, some of these books, I I 267 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:40,620 swear to God, there's just no way in hell, you know, if you're 268 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:42,300 at the office. And then all of a sudden this 269 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:45,740 man with his bulging pants is just going to bend you over in 270 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:48,460 the desk and you're still going to make it to your 5:00 PM 271 00:14:48,460 --> 00:14:52,180 meeting, like, no, no, this shit does not happen. 272 00:14:52,180 --> 00:14:54,910 You. It's, it's still, it does have 273 00:14:54,910 --> 00:14:57,230 an element of ridiculousness to it, doesn't it? 274 00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:00,750 I mean absolutely. And you just so happened didn't 275 00:15:00,750 --> 00:15:04,790 spill your coffee, you know your hair wasn't come on this 276 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:08,110 expectations and that. But something I really like is 277 00:15:08,110 --> 00:15:12,710 like the real like the real life audio erotica that's been coming 278 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:15,430 out. I've talked about Dipsy a lot, 279 00:15:15,470 --> 00:15:19,950 especially cause I myself am a Dipsy fan and how they just 280 00:15:19,950 --> 00:15:23,870 really tap into all different spectrums and so funny. 281 00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:27,830 What's your favorite type of erotica that you like to create? 282 00:15:29,150 --> 00:15:34,230 Oh gosh, I I do everything from a woman on woman to heterosexual 283 00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:38,230 to multiple partner. I really, also really enjoy 284 00:15:38,630 --> 00:15:40,790 erotic ROM com, which I think is fun. 285 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:44,550 It's fun to have like, you know, you know, comedy in there or 286 00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:46,350 just like silly ridiculous things. 287 00:15:46,350 --> 00:15:51,590 So I have a series that is an erotic ROM com series and that's 288 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:52,790 so much fun too. And. 289 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,040 I just have so many different places I want to go. 290 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,600 I have a giant list of things that I would like to write 291 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,280 about, so I'm not going to run out of stuff. 292 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,760 I love that. I love that. 293 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,320 What has been the most challenging thing as a female? 294 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,960 You know, erotica. Just expertise, if you will, You 295 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,560 know? Have you found challenges in 296 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,880 your personal life as a female in this industry? 297 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,160 Yeah, definitely. A lot of. 298 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,080 Like I said earlier, a lot of people think that just because I 299 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,440 write. A particular story that that's 300 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,960 my fantasy and I'm still like no, I'm still writing fiction. 301 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,400 It's people somehow view the genre of erotica differently 302 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,960 than other genres and I'm not quite sure why that is. 303 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,360 Maybe because it is about sex and it's about something 304 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,120 personal. Sex is very personal, but people 305 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,200 will think that just because I wrote something that that's my 306 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,200 fantasy or that that's a reflection of my life and I even 307 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,960 have a a series where the character is ruined and. 308 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:53,190 You know, people think, oh, that's really, that's really 309 00:16:53,190 --> 00:16:54,990 what her life is. And I'm like, no, no, that's 310 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:57,390 still fiction, baby. It is not a memoir. 311 00:16:58,830 --> 00:17:01,070 I was going to ask you, like, you know, how you said you 312 00:17:01,070 --> 00:17:02,990 insert yourself in a lot of these stories? 313 00:17:02,990 --> 00:17:07,030 You know, how much of it does get transpired from real life to 314 00:17:07,030 --> 00:17:10,310 where you like? Do you find yourself on dates or 315 00:17:10,310 --> 00:17:14,190 sexual excursions, if you will, And just say, hold on, pause, I 316 00:17:14,190 --> 00:17:16,869 need to write this down for my next book. 317 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:18,390 Like, do you ever find yourself doing that? 318 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:22,619 Because I I tend to do that a lot with show topics. 319 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:25,980 You know, I'm in the middle of interacting with my partners, 320 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:27,380 you know, being polyamorous and all that. 321 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:33,660 And I always like, seems to have to break in between my my dates. 322 00:17:33,660 --> 00:17:36,580 Sometimes if you will be like actually you just said something 323 00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:38,140 really good. I need to circle that for you. 324 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:42,900 Yes, absolutely. I mean, you know, there's 325 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:46,100 phrases you take sometimes even, you know, like the way somebody 326 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:49,100 said something or. A string of words, a sentence. 327 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,140 I've done that. Just an idea. 328 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:54,620 Oh, absolutely so. And but that's really fun too. 329 00:17:54,620 --> 00:17:57,420 I mean, it's just, it's a fun thing to do, I think, to take 330 00:17:57,420 --> 00:17:59,980 like a real sentence that somebody said and like, put it 331 00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:02,260 in a story. Yes, fucking fun. 332 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,620 And it's like an inside joke. Like not joke but inside like. 333 00:18:06,060 --> 00:18:11,660 You know, sexiness, I guess. Remember when I love that and I 334 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:15,420 think that it also can enhance the relationship so much better. 335 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:18,220 You know, if we take a little bit what we learned from 336 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:21,220 erotica, because I feel like it can really enhance the 337 00:18:21,220 --> 00:18:24,140 relationship. And let's get into that. 338 00:18:24,140 --> 00:18:27,660 Because I feel that there are a lot of couples who find it kind 339 00:18:27,660 --> 00:18:30,820 of hard to bring back that spark that they used to have when 340 00:18:30,820 --> 00:18:33,340 they're first dating or when they first got married. 341 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:35,740 And especially for those, you know, who have kids. 342 00:18:36,020 --> 00:18:38,740 I don't have kids, but I have a lot of friends who are now just 343 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:41,420 up and coming, popping out babies like it's Skittles. 344 00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:46,140 You know, they always come to me, like, how do you just keep 345 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:47,820 it so fresh in your relationship? 346 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:51,660 And I was like, well-being polyamorous, that's one part of, 347 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:53,260 you know, keeping it fresh in the bedroom. 348 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:59,540 Because as my primary partner and I, my live in boyfriend that 349 00:18:59,540 --> 00:19:02,100 we talked about is he loves to go on. 350 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:06,150 He sees sex as, like a social thing, means it's a little bit 351 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:08,150 more deeper. But sex for him is a more social 352 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:10,470 thing. So if he's on dates with 353 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:14,750 somebody, he likes to sometimes, you know, try things out and 354 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:16,110 then bring it home and be like, you know what? 355 00:19:16,110 --> 00:19:17,470 That was really fun with that date. 356 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:21,350 Let me, let me bring it home to to Sapphire and see what she 357 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:25,070 would like about that. And sometimes I'm like, where 358 00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:29,470 the fuck did you learn this? Do it again. 359 00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:32,550 Yeah. No. 360 00:19:34,380 --> 00:19:36,500 It's like you could go back to your two toy for that one. 361 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:41,140 That's not me. Right. 362 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:44,740 You know, it's it's true though. I mean, you know, Radhaka is a 363 00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:48,020 definitely great way to introduce things too and be 364 00:19:48,020 --> 00:19:51,500 like, you know, just sit back and listen to a story together 365 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:53,500 and be like, you know, instead of instead of going up to the 366 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:55,940 person. I mean saying like, hey, do you 367 00:19:55,940 --> 00:19:58,780 want to, you know, do this role play or do you want to be tied 368 00:19:58,780 --> 00:20:02,250 up or whatever it is? Sit and listen to a story about 369 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:04,090 it and then talk about me like, hey, what you think of that? 370 00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:05,930 You know you're not putting the person on the spot. 371 00:20:06,130 --> 00:20:10,650 It's a really indirect way to bring up a sexual topic is if 372 00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:12,850 you choose a book and say, hey, let's listen to this book 373 00:20:12,850 --> 00:20:17,010 together and talk about it. I like, you know. 374 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:21,010 Yes, because it's almost if you will like a show and tell. 375 00:20:21,330 --> 00:20:26,290 You know, and I think that would be good for couples to just one 376 00:20:26,290 --> 00:20:30,330 night, especially those again losing their spark or having 377 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:33,010 communication problems that they're able to pop in one of 378 00:20:33,010 --> 00:20:38,410 your works or you know, read one of your works and kind of just 379 00:20:38,410 --> 00:20:43,130 say like hey, Hun came across this, let me know what you think 380 00:20:44,530 --> 00:20:48,690 and from there just kind of explore if you will see how long 381 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:51,620 you last. To the erotica, if you will. 382 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:56,340 I think that is a great tool for couples and also for you. 383 00:20:56,340 --> 00:21:02,260 Like where do you find like do you ever find yourself drawing 384 00:21:02,260 --> 00:21:05,500 inspiration from other couples? Or like do your does your 385 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:09,220 audience reach out to you and give you some inspiration? 386 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:12,260 How does that all work and entail with the works that you 387 00:21:12,260 --> 00:21:14,860 put out? Absolutely. 388 00:21:14,860 --> 00:21:18,060 So I've had people specifically reach out and give me story 389 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:20,420 ideas or reach out to me and say, hey, will you write a story 390 00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:22,820 about this? Will you create something on 391 00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:25,500 your podcast about this? And I have created works and 392 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:30,580 published using those ideas and it's it's really fun. 393 00:21:30,660 --> 00:21:33,980 It's really satisfying for me and it gets satisfying for the 394 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:36,940 person who asked for it. I've had people even pay me 395 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:40,040 commissioned, you know, will you write a story and pay me to 396 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,240 write a story about that? And then I'll be like, well, 397 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,680 where are you? Okay, okay with me sharing this 398 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,680 and you know, whatever they wish. 399 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,840 Then I might create it into a a novella or a podcast episode. 400 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,200 You know, there's so many different things that you can do 401 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,760 with that, and it's just really fun. 402 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,640 I really enjoy doing that. Let's see, I forgot what's the 403 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,040 first part of your question. So that part. 404 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,000 And then there was we. Were talking about your your 405 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,160 favorite type of the erotica, like the type of genre that you 406 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800 like to tap into? Oh yes, yes. 407 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,440 And I really I I read a lot of my peers, not. 408 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,160 And I really like to stick with indie authors who are doing what 409 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,600 they want rather than people who are trying to fit into the 410 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,690 mainstream publishers. Because, I mean, I I have a book 411 00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:29,370 published with a publisher, traditional publisher, and they 412 00:22:29,370 --> 00:22:33,770 really do try to guide it and fit it into a certain mold, you 413 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:35,970 know? And when you're an indie author, 414 00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:38,170 you can do whatever the fuck you want. 415 00:22:38,410 --> 00:22:40,970 I was just publishing it. I'm glad that you mentioned that 416 00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:43,490 because I was always wondering you know when people sign with 417 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:47,770 major, you know publishing houses versus you you have your 418 00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:51,570 own company which we got into that because I think that's 419 00:22:51,570 --> 00:22:54,460 amazing that. You have been able to create 420 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:59,260 your own company which is called Pink Infinity and are you taking 421 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:01,820 on new authors? Like, how does this company 422 00:23:01,820 --> 00:23:04,620 work, set aside from, you know, the major companies that you may 423 00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:07,610 be working with? Well, I definitely want to do 424 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:10,010 that at some point. I would love to take on authors. 425 00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:12,130 Right now I'm just doing my own. But I definitely would like to 426 00:23:12,130 --> 00:23:14,330 do that in the future. That's definitely a goal of mine 427 00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:18,050 and I like to go that way. But the reason I did it was I 428 00:23:18,050 --> 00:23:21,130 was, you know, author or publishers will put on a call 429 00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:23,410 for submissions. Okay, we want this. 430 00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:25,450 So you write a story for that, right? 431 00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:28,210 And then they don't choose you. What do you do with that story? 432 00:23:28,690 --> 00:23:31,530 You've wasted your time. And I did it a couple of times 433 00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:33,970 and one actually wanted something. 434 00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:38,440 And then I I just decided, you know what, I don't want to fit 435 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,280 in their mold. And and I didn't want to keep 436 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,920 writing stories that we're fitting what they wanted, like 437 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,920 okay. So, you know, I can turn around 438 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040 and take that story and just publish it myself, you know, if 439 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,880 they didn't want it. But it just to me, it gave me 440 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,560 such a greater bandwidth to do whatever I want. 441 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,880 I could create my own cover. I could pay for a cover. 442 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,600 I can do what I want and I can choose which editor I want. 443 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,480 You know, it's just a crazy amount of freedom and we're 444 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,480 living in a time that has never happened, ever that we know of 445 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,200 in this world right now where we can create content and publish 446 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,920 it and distribute it across the world. 447 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,240 I mean, it's like mind blowing that we can do this. 448 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:30,660 And while we still can let, let's be completely honest, 449 00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:34,940 because I know even in radio right now, I keep saying it, 450 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:38,780 it's like we're in uncharted territories with the integration 451 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:44,540 of a I, you know, they have now an AIDJ who is boasting that no, 452 00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:46,900 this is just the way of the future and it's not going to 453 00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:49,980 replace any radio jocks, but it's like it is. 454 00:24:50,550 --> 00:24:53,230 And it makes me very scared, you know, as a native. 455 00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:56,270 But that's why also I'm I'm happy to have sapphires your 456 00:24:56,270 --> 00:25:00,230 play under my control, just like you have your works under your 457 00:25:00,230 --> 00:25:06,150 own control. Can you see you know the can you 458 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:10,790 see A I really tapping in to the world of erotica and does that 459 00:25:10,790 --> 00:25:15,400 scare you at any point But it does scare me. 460 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,520 But as a person I would be like I don't really want to read 461 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,680 something created by an A I I want to read it created by some 462 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,480 a person from a person's brain that is way sexier than some 463 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,720 stupid A I I mean it's just is Yeah. 464 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,320 So I don't know that I would ever If I knew something was 465 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,720 made by an A, I I don't know that I'd want it. 466 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,960 It is kind of scary when you think about it, especially like, 467 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,960 you know, for years. You know, people used to say 468 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,560 like, oh, books are dead. You know, especially like when 469 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,040 the books started coming out and people like, oh, that's the end 470 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,880 of literature. And I'm like, that's bullshit. 471 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,240 Books are going to keep coming out left and right. 472 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,960 People are going to still need to find research or some type of 473 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800 entertainment. So I think for you, it's like, 474 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:07,960 yeah, erotica can evolve and like you said, A, I could still 475 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,840 be out there. But it's people like yourself 476 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,320 that really tap in to their audience and tap in to making 477 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,560 real connections work. And who knows what can happen, 478 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,800 you know, Later on with the evolution of erotica, I could 479 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:27,040 see you screen writing for, you know, some of these these much 480 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,400 needed porns that would you Would you ever consider, you 481 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,080 know, writing for some porn companies or would you want to 482 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,850 stick to the erotica? I would I do. 483 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:43,090 Another unique thing I do is I've written, I think I've 484 00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:45,250 written four stories for Frolic Me. 485 00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:46,730 I don't know if you've heard of them. 486 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:50,410 Yep, The ethical porn site, you know, female owned, They're out 487 00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:53,890 of the UK And so they make these beautiful, gorgeous films. 488 00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:58,130 And I've written, they like to have a fiction story go along 489 00:26:58,130 --> 00:27:00,850 with their film. And so I have written four 490 00:27:00,850 --> 00:27:03,610 stories for them so far. I think three of them have been 491 00:27:03,610 --> 00:27:07,280 published so far, but it's not a mirror of what's happening. 492 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,920 It's like more information to make it a more complete picture. 493 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,280 You get to create the storyline and stuff that goes with it. 494 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,440 So that's kind of like similar to what you're saying. 495 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560 And I do enjoy doing that, yeah, for sure. 496 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,400 I love that we're going to take a quick sexy break. 497 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaking about erotica, I wanted to give you guys a quick little 498 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,720 sexy break from our sponsors that afterglow. 499 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,060 Stay tuned. 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Now back to the show. 518 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:33,340 All right, I hope you guys enjoyed that sexy break and 519 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:35,900 again, use my code. Sapphire for 70s. 520 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:39,420 Free with afterglow, Back with ruin. 521 00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:41,380 Wow. We have been talking so much 522 00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:46,300 about, you know, just the aspect of erotica, your journey and 523 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,260 everything. What can you see yourself doing 524 00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:51,460 next in the world of erotica? Is there something that? 525 00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:54,630 You want to tap into that. You feel it's like, you know 526 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:56,590 what? Never been able to do this. 527 00:28:56,590 --> 00:29:00,070 Let me push myself to do it. What do you think is going to 528 00:29:00,070 --> 00:29:02,430 come next for you out of your projects? 529 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:05,670 Well, I guess I would say something that I've actually 530 00:29:05,670 --> 00:29:09,710 already started a little bit. If it, which is working with 531 00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:13,590 other voice actors on audio books are kind of making it more 532 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:16,150 of a production where it's not just only me. 533 00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:18,590 And I'm really curious how my fans are going to respond to 534 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:20,540 that. I've done one book with two 535 00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:23,300 other podcasters who are wanting to break into the voiceover 536 00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:28,060 realm and I hired them to be the two male voices in one of my 537 00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:31,540 audiobooks. And so, which was so I mean, you 538 00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:34,940 know, creating an audiobook is very, very time consuming, very 539 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,540 time consuming. Like if you're narrating, you 540 00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:41,660 know, you can expect two to four times as long to edit that audio 541 00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:43,820 than it took for you to narrate it, right? 542 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:48,260 So then now mix in other voices, right? 543 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,120 You're going to magnify the length of that even longer. 544 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,640 So I've started doing that and I have that book out. 545 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,360 And right now I'm working with three different men on this book 546 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,640 where they all do different things, Like one man does audio 547 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,120 voiceover work on only fans, and another one does it on Pornhub, 548 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,720 and then the other one is the podcaster. 549 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,740 And so it's really fun to mix my voice with their voices into an 550 00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:17,460 audio book. And so I guess that's kind of 551 00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:19,460 what I'm really excited about moving into right now. 552 00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:22,620 But it's it's it's also interesting because I've tried a 553 00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:25,740 few voices with mine and they didn't work. 554 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:29,940 It didn't sound as good, you know, it's so interesting. 555 00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:32,420 Like I I really hadn't thought of that until I listened to them 556 00:30:32,420 --> 00:30:35,300 and I'm like, oh, that sounds that doesn't work. 557 00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:39,700 And so it's really fun to do this and it makes it more of a 558 00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:42,730 production. And yeah, we'll see where it 559 00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,210 goes. I'll see if people like it, and 560 00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:45,730 if they do, I'll continue to do it. 561 00:30:45,810 --> 00:30:48,410 But if not, I'll switch back to just all me. 562 00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:53,090 I really admire that because I had thought about doing more 563 00:30:53,170 --> 00:30:56,090 storyline podcasts, like audio books, if you will. 564 00:30:56,610 --> 00:31:00,210 People have asked me to do that, and I started auditioning a lot 565 00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:03,370 for certain audio books, which is crazy to me. 566 00:31:03,370 --> 00:31:07,130 Like I just started a month in to voice over and getting a lot 567 00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:10,570 of national booking, a lot of national spots and all that. 568 00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:13,650 Fingers crossed. But it's also, I've never 569 00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:19,810 thought I would see myself as an audio book narrator because like 570 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:22,730 you said, it is a lot of work. I'm so used to doing, you know, 571 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:27,530 sponsored ads for both radio and for podcasting. 30 seconds in, a 572 00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:30,570 minute out, that's about it. Done deal. 573 00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:34,290 Then I do my editing if you if I have to do any editing. 574 00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:37,130 And maybe 2 hours tops. Boom. 575 00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:39,090 Done. Even like, right, You know, 576 00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:43,680 editing this podcast, it's. 2-3 hours of my day, boom, I'm done. 577 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,160 That's it. And I really admire your hustle, 578 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,480 as you know, creating audiobooks versus writing. 579 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,000 I know there's probably a huge difference because again, you 580 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,120 have to worry about the voices, the sound effects, then blending 581 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,080 everything together, mixing y'all. 582 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,440 It's a pain in the ass. It is. 583 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,440 It is. And you want it to flow. 584 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,680 You don't want to sound like you're in different rooms, you 585 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,120 know, like if someone has a different, like, so you have to 586 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,360 you. It has to sound you. 587 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680 It has to sound a certain way. Absolutely. 588 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,720 And it just sounds silly or dumb or fake, you know? 589 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,720 And so that's definitely a challenge. 590 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,320 But yeah, I know my longest book was Magic in Her Kisses, and I 591 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,080 think that book ended up over 7 hours. 592 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,800 Wow, that was a long, long sucker. 593 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,100 And and that one was my woman woman on woman story, my fiction 594 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,100 story. And but this this next one I'm 595 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,060 working on will be the next one I'm working on will be even 596 00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:45,420 longer. When I'm I'm right now I'm doing 597 00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:47,500 Decade and Erotica, my anthology. 598 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,420 And then when I do Neighborhood Sex secrets, that one's going to 599 00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:52,460 be even longer because it's a longer book. 600 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,980 Let's talk about neighborhood sex, secrets, the name in 601 00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:59,420 general. I'm just I'm thinking of like. 602 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,880 I'm thinking if it's like, oh, this is like one of those 603 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440 lifetime, like, edgy ones, it sounds like the title. 604 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,920 Tell us about it. Get us this hype. 605 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,040 You know you're launching it next month, so I know you're 606 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,760 excited. What can people expect from this 607 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,240 story? So this is a story about a 608 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,120 woman. I wanted to write a story about 609 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,660 a woman who was exploring her sexuality, sex, floring and just 610 00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:28,340 really expanding her sexuality. So she comes out of a marriage 611 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,620 where she was very repressed. He was a narcissistic, abusive 612 00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:33,780 person that really repressed her. 613 00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:37,020 And just totally, she finally breaks free. 614 00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:40,420 And so she's now a single person. 615 00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:42,060 She's a single mom in a neighborhood. 616 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:44,220 And so this is like a suburban neighborhood, right? 617 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:48,240 That looks really vanilla and boring and go home and so she 618 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,400 goes to this she goes to this neighborhood pool party and 619 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,760 there's a couple of men who were hitting on her their 620 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,480 neighborhood men and they they just kind of bring up to her hey 621 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,080 you know we're we're swingers do you want to join us kind of a 622 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,000 thing And they kind of pull her into the pool shed and she's she 623 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,239 just decides to let go and so they. 624 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520 So she's she finds herself all of a sudden she's she's, you 625 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520 know she's been attracted especially to the one of them 626 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,960 and all of a sudden they get into the situation where she's 627 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,560 just her mind is blown. And so they get into this 628 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,840 relationship where they are a triad. 629 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400 So it's and then they they use the terms that the role play of 630 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,520 daddy, daddy and little girl, good girl. 631 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,280 They don't necessarily little girl, but so they are. 632 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,969 So they introduced her to this secret underworld of swinging 633 00:34:43,969 --> 00:34:45,969 that is occurring in her neighborhood where she has lived 634 00:34:45,969 --> 00:34:50,090 for years and had absolutely no idea that this was going on. 635 00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:55,050 And so she creates the sexual bucket list and they help her do 636 00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:58,690 all these things and she, she gets really, really raunchy. 637 00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:02,610 I mean, I'm talking like, you know, she does. 638 00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:06,610 She wants to a gangbang. She wants to do a blowjob event 639 00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:09,770 at the BBQ of the neighborhood BBQ. 640 00:35:10,090 --> 00:35:14,770 Blowjob event Hold out. I need more because I like the 641 00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:18,730 way I'm picturing it is like you have your your BBQ of the 642 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:20,410 neighborhood. Everybody's like, oh, try my 643 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:22,650 potato salad and have a side of blowjobs. 644 00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:28,810 If you it's very done, very secretively and only they've 645 00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:33,000 only approached her, her, her and her partners have approached 646 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,680 certain men and so they have, They have this like garden area 647 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080 and they're like watching out. And so then the men come in. 648 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,160 I don't want to spoil too much, but so like they set it up ahead 649 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,520 of time. So they're setting up all these 650 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,800 different scenarios for her, and she gets to have fun, and it's 651 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,840 really all about what she wants. Even though some of these men 652 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,690 may not think that that's what's going on, it's what she wants. 653 00:35:56,730 --> 00:36:00,050 And her partners are watching out, making sure it's going 654 00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:03,130 exactly how she wants. She is a submissive. 655 00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:06,490 She's their submissive, but it's all what she wants. 656 00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:07,930 And so I had so much fun writing it. 657 00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:12,130 I did a lot of raunchy things that, you know, many people 658 00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,330 might think, oh, I would never do that, But Alexa, her name is 659 00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:17,930 Alexa. Alexa wants to do that baby, and 660 00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:22,450 she does it all. Now, was there any real life 661 00:36:22,450 --> 00:36:27,400 inspiration out of this tale? Pieces of it, and pieces of it 662 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,360 were, we're definitely reflective of me and my 663 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600 fantasies, for sure. Not not all of it, but 664 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,400 definitely pieces of it. And so it just, I really went 665 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,960 all different places, you know, there's multiple partners. 666 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,360 She's bisexual, so there's a little bit of that that comes 667 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,320 into play that she's never done before. 668 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640 And so I go a lot of different different sexual places and a 669 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,320 lot of different, different sexual acts in the book. 670 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,200 And there's a full storyline that goes along with it, too. 671 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,480 So it's not just all, you know, Alexa going around having sex 672 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,160 with everybody and doing. I like that I'm OK. 673 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,440 I'm already getting hypes. I'm going to have to just do the 674 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000 presale on Amazon right now, if you will, because. 675 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,600 This sounds fun. I I love these types of stories 676 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,960 of Veronica, of, you know, the woman who is rediscovering 677 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,040 herself through sexuality. I find that very important, 678 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,960 especially as I'm in my early 30s and I'm kind of like there's 679 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,800 a lot that happens, you know, between your 20s and 30s. 680 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,200 And you know, I I love the change, if you will, because my 681 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,970 20s were my mistakes to be. A hoe now, I would say becoming 682 00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:41,490 polyamorous in my 30s. I'm now a selective hoe, if you 683 00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:45,290 will. So it's nice to like tap in and 684 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:48,090 be like, Nah, I'm not. I'm not with that shit anymore. 685 00:37:48,090 --> 00:37:53,610 Like, especially now with men. It's gosh, I'm good in the 686 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:55,810 Dick's apartment, as I like to say. 687 00:37:56,130 --> 00:38:00,450 But also it's it's just nice to know exactly what the fuck I 688 00:38:00,450 --> 00:38:02,880 want. How I want it and then finding 689 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,640 erotica that speaks to me on that. 690 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,080 So I love stories like that where you know, the character is 691 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,920 is, you know, pushing her boundaries of her, if you will, 692 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520 but also like rediscovering her body. 693 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,560 And I think that's extremely important, extremely. 694 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,560 It was no fun to to write the chapter. 695 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,200 I wrote one particular chapter where she's just, it's it's all 696 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,000 about how she's masturbating with toys. 697 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,600 And you know, she never had this experience in her life and it 698 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,430 was really fun to write that and have her explore that. 699 00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:39,110 And she had a lot of fun. Do you ever encourage your 700 00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:42,310 readers, you know, as they're flipping through or even 701 00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:45,590 listening through? Do you encourage them to, if you 702 00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:49,390 will, go through a self exploration phase of the stories 703 00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:50,950 for sure? Oh, for sure. 704 00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:53,350 Absolutely. How important would you say that 705 00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:57,110 they need to start incorporating masturbation into erotica? 706 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:00,880 Oh 100%. They totally should. 707 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:02,880 I think I'm, I'm totally with you. 708 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,600 I think it's a tool. I think it's entertainment. 709 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,160 It is something that can get you in the mood. 710 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,720 It can help you get off. It definitely should include 711 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,120 masturbation and then I that I to me that's an honor. 712 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,320 I'm like, if you get off to my book and my writing, I'm like, 713 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,600 fuck yeah, I love that. It makes you know that you 714 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,680 everyday. It makes you know it's. 715 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,240 It must make you feel good to know that you're serving a 716 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,200 purpose beyond just. You know, pages. 717 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,160 You know, notes to a page. Or, you know, just simply saying 718 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,160 like words and phrases. Being able to say like you've 719 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,840 probably helped couples and individuals become and 720 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,920 rediscover themselves through sex in a way that makes them 721 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160 feel comfortable. Yeah, I mean that that is 722 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600 amazing. If if I can do that kind of 723 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,600 stuff, I I feel like a success. That is fantastic, man. 724 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,760 Fucking Tastic. What would you say are some of 725 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,720 the like do's and don'ts of erotica? 726 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,040 Because I feel like there's got to be a fine line of when, you 727 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,040 know, someone might be listening right now and they're like, you 728 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,320 know what? I think I can do this, but do 729 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,560 you have any tips or just like the do's and don'ts when it 730 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,520 comes to erotica? Yeah, and it really does depend 731 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,560 on your audience. Like, I have both male and 732 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080 female. I have you know, penis owners 733 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,640 and Volvo owners listen to me, but it depends on your audience. 734 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Sometimes like I tend to find penis owners really like when I 735 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,400 make a lot of sounds, they like the moaning, they like sounds. 736 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,520 But some of the the women of all owners don't necessarily like 737 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,360 that as much unless they happen to be into women. 738 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,400 So that's where it gets to be a challenge. 739 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,480 And some, you know, I've also narrated for I think four or 740 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,960 five other authors and it really helps to know who their audience 741 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,440 is going to be what how much of that I add in. 742 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:53,420 And the author often has their own opinion too. 743 00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:57,260 Like I just did one caught by the Panther and she was a female 744 00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,860 author and she wanted a very minimal sound effects. 745 00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:04,180 Like she just wanted like just really scaled back. 746 00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:07,820 And so I did that for her. But it's it does depend to know 747 00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:09,460 your audiences. So if you think you're going to 748 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:12,900 do something, you're not going to necessarily please every 749 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,620 single reader, every single audience. 750 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:18,550 It's just it's a reality. And so you got to do what you 751 00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:20,550 do. You got to do what seems to fit 752 00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:27,190 that author or that particular storyline, you know, and so you 753 00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:29,590 can overdo it. And I've had some people that 754 00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:31,790 did not like and like, oh, I was way too much sound. 755 00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:34,310 And other people like, yes, I love that, give me more sound, 756 00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:38,310 you know, like. So that's a definitely a hard 757 00:41:38,310 --> 00:41:41,630 thing to navigate. But know your audience, I guess, 758 00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:46,530 for what you're doing is the big key. 1000 for saying and that 759 00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:48,450 even goes with podcasting. You've got to know your 760 00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:50,890 audience. You know Test Kitchen, as I like 761 00:41:50,890 --> 00:41:53,650 to say, is the best. You know, some topics are going 762 00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:57,610 to resonate with others than the ones that I think are going to 763 00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:59,010 resonate. And I love that. 764 00:41:59,810 --> 00:42:03,370 But also I got to ask if, you know, I'm not trying to sound 765 00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:05,250 crass. I know I really just said that 766 00:42:05,250 --> 00:42:09,290 on sapphires of your play. Like I don't offend, you know, I 767 00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:11,810 I don't aim to offend anybody on the show. 768 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:15,470 And I can't believe I'm asking this. 769 00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:18,030 Oh, go for it. I'm so curious. 770 00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:22,110 I I just, OK. So yeah I could see when people 771 00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:26,790 say pull back on the the who's and the Ah's how do you put 772 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:30,830 yourself because I can never imagine myself recording myself 773 00:42:30,830 --> 00:42:34,590 to climax. So do you have to like, go 774 00:42:34,590 --> 00:42:38,670 through a progress like a process of faking an orgasm? 775 00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:41,550 Are these orgasms real that we're hearing in the stories 776 00:42:41,550 --> 00:42:44,190 like? Do you have just like a a slave 777 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:48,070 underneath your, you know, at the foot of your desk or like, a 778 00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:50,190 little, like, specific toy? They're like, you know what? 779 00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:52,030 Let me just this is this is the time. 780 00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:53,310 Boom. Let's catch. 781 00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:57,430 Well, OK. So the answer to all of that is 782 00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:59,630 yes, across the board. But different scenarios I'll 783 00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:03,190 explain. So sometimes I, you know, just 784 00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:05,750 get into the story and I don't know, it's just something I've 785 00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:10,060 realized I can do. I can act out and and it's 786 00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:12,740 something I guess after doing all of these podcast episodes 787 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:16,940 and all these erotica fiction podcast episodes and I've done I 788 00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:21,380 don't know probably 50 some audio books and something I've 789 00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:23,380 learned I can do. So I can act that out. 790 00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:30,060 And also on my podcast I have actually used a toy during to 791 00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:32,260 get the sounds. And what what I find really 792 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:35,500 interesting is when people, when if they know which one was one 793 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,580 that I did, they say you saw exactly the same in both. 794 00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:40,300 Like they can't tell the difference. 795 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,340 And I'm like sweet, that's that's awesome. 796 00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:48,180 I love that. So I guess I've done both and I 797 00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:51,380 had an author approached me once that wanted me to read a story 798 00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:56,180 on the podcast and I used to toy along as if I were the female 799 00:43:56,180 --> 00:43:58,900 character in the story. And that was really fun to do 800 00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,100 too. And so yeah, I guess I've done 801 00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:04,820 all across the board and something I've just learned that 802 00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:07,660 I can do, Which I know is is weird because it's not like I 803 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:10,660 went, you know, didn't go to school to learn how to make 804 00:44:10,660 --> 00:44:14,660 sounds or, you know. I know. 805 00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:18,100 It's like, I always love fucking with people with theater of the 806 00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:20,140 mind. And when, especially when I was 807 00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:22,260 working at Playboy, that's all that was. 808 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:25,460 Like, yeah, there were sex acts, but we couldn't acknowledge it 809 00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:28,740 because technically we weren't allowed to have sex on air. 810 00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:33,700 Technically, yeah. Technically. 811 00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:35,460 But did it happen? Yeah, I did. 812 00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:39,300 Thank goodness my contract is up with them and they're no longer 813 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:42,140 in the radio realm. So I could say all these 814 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:45,580 secrets, but a lot of the times it's like I would be eating a 815 00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:48,580 sandwich and people thought I was eating, you know, one of the 816 00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:53,300 porn stars out in studio. We used to have like a silicone 817 00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:56,710 pussy. I just smack it, you know, and 818 00:44:56,710 --> 00:45:00,710 it just, it sounded believable. Or sometimes I would just in 819 00:45:00,710 --> 00:45:05,030 between my elbows. Oh, I bet for sure. 820 00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:07,310 It was the best. It was the best. 821 00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:10,630 But me, just like when people asked me to really orgasm, I 822 00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:14,310 found it almost kind of weird to have sex on air like I've done 823 00:45:14,310 --> 00:45:18,270 it before. And as much as a voyeur as I 824 00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:21,390 was, I was always like, okay. I don't want this to come out 825 00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:25,360 not genuine. Like, I know I'm a loud person, 826 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040 so if I'm giving you a sample of how I sound in the bedroom, I 827 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,120 don't want you to think like I'm I'm faking. 828 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,400 So I guess I just have to overcome that hurdle and just, 829 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,920 you know, let it out once in a while. 830 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,240 I know, I know. You know, I guess I just really 831 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,240 get immersed in the stories too. Like I'm like feel them, I'm 832 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,720 acting them out. So it's just kind of like I just 833 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,500 react and just do it. Just kind of, I guess it just 834 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:54,020 kind of comes out naturally for me and I just, I I don't know. 835 00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:56,500 I love that. I love that. 836 00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:00,940 Looking at some of your titles by the way, A1 that stuck out to 837 00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:05,620 me very, very like I was like, yes, this is great, never say 838 00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:11,100 never swing, Oh yes. Please tell the reader like 839 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:14,660 listeners about this one because I I feel like the the title 840 00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:17,260 itself. First of all, I think it's 841 00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:20,580 genius. Just very simple because. 842 00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:23,140 Yeah, you should never say that. You're never going to try 843 00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:25,060 something, especially in the world of sex. 844 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:29,100 So with this story, give us a little synopsis. 845 00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:32,860 OK, so yes, and that one I'm actually working on an audio 846 00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:36,500 book with right now too with the two podcasters that I hired. 847 00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:41,180 And so this is a story of these two couples have been friends 848 00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:43,660 for a very long time. Their families are friends, 849 00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:46,620 their kids hang out, they have dinner together. 850 00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:50,170 And so in this particular story, the kids have gone to one house 851 00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:53,090 to hang out and the two couples have gone to another to hang 852 00:46:53,090 --> 00:46:56,770 out. And the one couple had started 853 00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:59,930 dabbling into swinging and they'd been wanting to ask the 854 00:46:59,930 --> 00:47:02,650 other couple and you know, hey, do you want to do this? 855 00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:05,850 They want to approach them. And so, in a way that actually 856 00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:08,570 ended up working out very naturally, as they were talking, 857 00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:13,770 flirting, just having a good old time, it came up, hey, would you 858 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:17,490 guys ever want to swing? And so I go through the whole 859 00:47:17,490 --> 00:47:21,010 process in the story of them thinking about it, then being 860 00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:24,450 shocked, then being interested to actually negotiating, And 861 00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:28,370 then boom, things happen. I would love that. 862 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:30,490 And again, never say never swing. 863 00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:33,570 There you go. I definitely, I was like 864 00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:35,210 looking. I'm like, ooh, I got to tap into 865 00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:38,370 some of these titles, but that one just for some reason tapped 866 00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:42,570 in very well and maybe that's because of the atmosphere that. 867 00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:45,710 I like to put myself in. I don't call myself a swinger, 868 00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:48,110 but I do like going to swinger parties. 869 00:47:48,350 --> 00:47:52,910 I love, you know, telling people of how open going to a swinger 870 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:57,030 swingers event can be. Quite an enhancement for your 871 00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:59,750 relationship. You don't have to swing to 872 00:48:00,070 --> 00:48:04,350 bring, you know the lessons of a swing party to the table of your 873 00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:07,070 relationship. So I love that again, you 874 00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:12,080 centered a story around friends. Who may or may not have been 875 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,120 attracted to each other, but they knew that there was some 876 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,960 type of tension that needed to be let out and then that's that. 877 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,960 And I think honestly, just like all aspects of sexuality, it's 878 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,040 fluid, You know, it should be an ebb and flow. 879 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,040 Sometimes you don't have to necessarily be attracted to the 880 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,640 person physically. As I've learned later in life, 881 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,080 it's not all about the looks. It's sometimes just if the five 882 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,560 feels right, right? Why not? 883 00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:41,750 Be adults. Negotiate. 884 00:48:41,830 --> 00:48:43,230 Which I love that you brought that up. 885 00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:46,910 Negotiate about it. And then go into whatever comes 886 00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:48,870 next. Oh yeah. 887 00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:51,150 And I wanted that to be a part of the story. 888 00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:53,630 Yeah, They actually sit down and write before they start talking. 889 00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:56,550 They actually sit down and write out a list of things they know 890 00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:59,790 that are definitely knows things that are yeses, things are 891 00:48:59,790 --> 00:49:02,510 maybes, things are curious about, and then they actually 892 00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:05,070 talk about it. So yeah, I mean, the 893 00:49:05,070 --> 00:49:07,070 communication part was was fun to write. 894 00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:08,910 I like that because that's the way it should be. 895 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,960 Absolutely. I mean sex, communication, go 896 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,800 hand in hand. You can't have, you know, you 897 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,240 can't give yourself, you can't give your body to someone else 898 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,880 without proper communication. You know, body language only 899 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,120 goes so far. But using your words and being 900 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,760 very verbal on what you need, and even after the fact being 901 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,520 verbal about what had just happened to process, is 902 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,720 extremely important no matter what level of the relationship 903 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,280 you're at. Yeah, it's just it's vital. 904 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,760 It's key. With that said, Ruin. 905 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,560 First of all, I can't believe how much time has flown by. 906 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,200 Thank you so much for joining. Where can people get in touch 907 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,760 with you again? We have your new project coming 908 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,200 out, neighborhood sex secrets coming out next month. 909 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,240 So excited for that. For you, yes. 910 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,120 And I'm on Twitter. I'm on Instagram. 911 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,960 You can find my books on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Apple, Google, 912 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:09,790 all over Kobo. You know, I kind of have them 913 00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:11,310 everywhere. And my website 914 00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:16,470 isruinwillowauthor.com and my podcast is, oh fuck yeah, with 915 00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:18,630 Ruin Willow, which is on all the podcast apps. 916 00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:23,230 So you can find me pretty much. I'm all over the place with 917 00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:26,190 that, so. It will, of course put the link 918 00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:30,670 tree bio in this episode description so you guys can find 919 00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:34,630 it because like I said, she's got a plethora. 920 00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:39,500 A plethora of great erotica out there and I'm just so excited 921 00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,380 again. I I just can't wait for 922 00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:44,580 neighborhood sex secrets. You sold me automatically on the 923 00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:47,180 description. I'm like, yes, got to go back. 924 00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,220 I got to go back and dig to more and of course, you know, find 925 00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:53,820 you on the moan app you do tend to do some chats on there. 926 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,500 Would you say it's a little bit different, you know, because you 927 00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,340 have now a live audience just in rapping on that? 928 00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:02,500 Yeah, it is. I mean, I really, what I've been 929 00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:05,260 doing about once a month is narrating one of my stories or, 930 00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:08,180 you know, an excerpt and then just having like a discussion 931 00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:10,100 afterwards. And yeah, it's really fun. 932 00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,020 I mean, every once in a while I might screw up a little bit 933 00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:15,020 because it's hard to to read a long extended portion and not 934 00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:17,980 screw up. But I've done pretty decent, I 935 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:19,580 would say. I've had like just a few minor 936 00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:22,020 things. But it's fun and I really enjoy 937 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:25,140 it. I really love to just read for 938 00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:28,070 people, I guess. And so it's really, it's fun for 939 00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:31,710 me and I love it when people come in and we talk afterwards 940 00:51:31,710 --> 00:51:33,150 and the conversation can go wherever. 941 00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:35,030 I'm open to whatever, absolutely. 942 00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:38,150 It's really a fun thing. We'll definitely find her on the 943 00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:40,950 moan out too, guys. And of course you can find me at 944 00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:44,590 Ms. Radio sapphire.com at Ms. Radio Sapphire on Instagram. 945 00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:49,950 And till the next time, remember that safe sex is the best hot 946 00:51:49,950 --> 00:51:52,030 sex. Good night. 947 00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:56,460 That was the show all you sexy motherfuckers out there remember 948 00:51:56,460 --> 00:51:59,780 to follow at Ms. Radio Sapphire and Sapphire's Earplay on 949 00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:01,780 Instagram. Want some eargasms of the past 950 00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:03,540 and future? 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