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What is up all you sexy motherfuckers out there in
Radioland? It's your girls sapphire back at
it and Oh my goodness, I am so excited to bring on this next
guest. We connected through the monap
which many it seems to be. The running theme this year of
2023 is get all the monsters from the monap, get them on
Sapphire's ear, play and let you know people tell their stories,
share their talents. My guest is an erotic voice if
you will. Erotic voice over artist.
She is also an author and sexuality an erotica podcaster.
You may know her as the lovely voice behind.
Oh fuck yeah, with ruin. Willow and you guys can
definitely check it out. And she has an up and coming
project coming out just in August, so just next month
called Neighborhood Sex Secrets. So I am so, so happy to bring on
ruin. Oh that is not the crickets.
We are not giving crickets to you, Ruin.
Thank you so much for joining. Thank you so much for inviting
me. I'm so excited to chat with you.
I'm just really pumped and excited.
I know. I sometimes I feel people are
like, I never know what to expect on your show.
Expect the unexpected. It's just good times, good sex
enthusiasts and podcast and positivity, if you will.
Look at me tongue tied already already, you guys.
It's not like I've been doing this for years.
Here we go. Sounds good to me, right?
So ruin, walk me through your journey, your path.
What led you into erotica? Especially, you know now where I
feel like erotica is in, it's just high rise.
Definitely. It's really, yeah, it's really
getting to a good place. But yeah, I started out writing.
I mean, I've written my whole life, and I got to take a big,
giant break from it. And around 2016, I started
writing again pretty heavily, and I started writing romance.
Just, you know, regular romance. And I was doing some nonfiction
stuff. I started a A blog, a website,
and I really wanted to just start adding in sex to the
romance because I felt like it wasn't a full picture of
reality, a real relationship. Like if it's missing the sex, I
felt like it wasn't as it was real.
You know what I mean? Because.
In relationships, starts fucking.
So I wanted fucking in my stories, so I started.
So I started to add in more sexuality.
I actually started out on Twitter and I created just on a
total whim that I wanted to just start doing something erotic.
So I started just like posting on Twitter and it grew from
there and it kind of blew my mind.
I created a website so I write stories and putting that on
there. And then people just started to
respond to me. So I kept growing and growing.
And then one day I decided it's Christmas time.
I decided to say a little work, just a video.
I didn't record anything. I didn't recorded the black
nights. I don't know what am I spent.
I just like happy, you know, Merry Christmas and Happy New
Year, Happy holidays. And people started to say, I
really love your voice. And I was like, you do.
Isn't that interesting When it's like we never satisfied even as
voice over artist doesn't matter what, what, what type of work we
put out. It's like when people say, I
really love your voice. I get kind of awkward, you know,
because I'm like, I can't stand my voice, but you know you.
Have a lovely voice. I love your voice.
I love yours. I love you know the nice raspy
whisper tone that you have? It's very just soothing.
So I guess we're in the right industry, right?
Exactly, exactly. I mean, things started to grow.
And I, you know, people were saying, well, you should start a
podcast. You should start.
And I'm like, I can't do that. I'm doing all this writing.
I'm trying to write. And about the same time, people
kept saying that to me. A man who was a director at a
publishing house heard my voice on Twitter, Wow.
And contacted me and said, hey, do you want, do you ever record
audio books? And I was like, no, He says, do
you want to? And I'm like.
Well I guess so I started that journey and he hooked me up with
this amazing mentor and he taught me a lot of stuff and and
I was starting to podcast around the same time.
Boom. And then I started to publish
books. It was kind of like this big
boom of like 3-4 months and like you know just big explosion of
everything and it's just grown from there.
So that's that's kind of how how I landed where I am today and I
would have never in a million years, said.
I am going to be a podcaster someday.
I'm going to make audio books. Never.
Wow.
So your interest, of course, is with erotica.
So your sexual journey, if you will, how much does that
incorporate with the erotica that you create?
Oh yeah, it definitely plays a role.
And you know, some people think that just because I write about
something means I want to do that particular act.
I'm like, no, no, no, not necessarily.
I'm right. Still creating stories.
I'm still creating fiction and. But I definitely will say every
female character I write does have a piece of me in that
character. It just kind of happens.
And sometimes more of it gets more of the characters, more of
the story gets more of me in it, and other times less and.
You know, people just kind of, I think people just want it to be
like, I want everything. They like that.
Hey, that's okay to have it all. We can have it all, can't we?
That's right. So I definitely like a lot of
the things I do when I write about, but I definitely wouldn't
do them all, but definitely quite a few.
I'm very open and I'm very adventurous and I've really been
exploring my sexuality not only through the podcast but through
writing, so. And I don't like to limit
myself, you know, I know, I know people like to have a niche and
stuff, but it's kind of, I mean I guess I sort of do, but I I
have a wide niche I guess I would say what is been your
favorite by far as far as like the niche that you're tapping
into. But I also like how you said
you're, you're finding different ways to explore through your
writing, which is something that I guess sometimes for creative
beings. You know, we do try to add in a
little bit, if you will, like elaboration of our own lives and
kind of transpire into the world that we are creating.
But at the same time, do you ever find yourself, like, jaded
by, you know, what you're exploring?
I have, but I tend to, I mean, I've even written things that I
don't want to do, which is a really a challenge, you know?
But I always think about how you know.
I, I, I once is on this podcast and people were telling me, they
were telling me that you really shouldn't write something that
you haven't done before. And I thought, well, I'm not
writing memoir, right? And if that's true, then no one
should write science fiction, no one should write fantasy,
because they aren't doing those things.
Stephen King isn't a secret murderer.
Crazy man. At least like a clown.
We'd like to think that way, right?
I mean, it does have the face for it.
I mean, if y'all have never seen Stephen King, just look that
motherfucker up and listen. I know, right?
That's hilarious. But it's a it is such a great
way to explore and and not only for me, but people who are going
to be reading it. They can explore like you know
say you're interested about something or you can read a a
fiction story about it. You could read it with your
partner and be like hey, what do you think of this.
It's a way to introduce too. I'm glad that you brought that
up because I have been trying to really incorporate a lot of
erotica in the bedroom and it's definitely been a helpful tool,
especially because I don't know if you know this about me.
I've been working in the adult industry as long as I've been in
radio and so pouring for me, you know, ladies and gentlemen, it
it does not do anything for me, you know, it's because maybe
it's the fact that half of the people that I edit I actually am
very close friends with. So it's kind of that awkward
moment like I'm rooting on my friend.
But I'm also like I can't get off to my friend in the
industry. And for the longest I had a long
rule. If I interviewed you know a
certain porn star on this podcast, I would never Jill off
to their material their material.
But what I really like about erotica, especially like the
audio realm, I love just sitting in the bed with my partner or by
myself, you know, have a couple toys, light up a joint, maybe
have a glass of wine and just kind of in competition, if you
will, you know, depending upon the erotica.
But kind of like out orgasm the character or you don't just kind
of like make it seem like I have a third or fourth being in the
room. I love that, and I really want
couples to start opening up more to the world of erotica.
Like let's talk about the difference, erotica,
pornography. I feel like there's been a great
debate, if you will, over the years, especially since the
pandemic where people are now turning to the word that
pornography is just so bad, and we want to call it erotica.
You may have seen it with Wellness products, you know,
saying that we're not porn, we're erotica.
For me, in like looking at this article that I was reading over
the weekend, it said that erotica is sometimes
misconstrued as pornography. However, as time changes,
erotica is any artistic work that deals with substantially
erotic elements stimulation if you will, or sexually arousing
subject matter? I completely agree.
But what do you think the difference between erotica and
pornography? Like, where does that lie?
I think there's a big difference, because if you're
watching porn, everything's handed to you.
You could. It'd be a lot harder to imagine
them looking differently, doing different things, having
different looks in their eyes. But if you are listening to a
story, you are immersing yourself in it in a different
way than when you're watching porn.
You're using your own imagination.
You may see the person as somebody totally different than
another person, and you're going to set that up differently in
your brain. So I think it's.
I think you can definitely immerse yourself much deeper
into erotica, and there tends to be a story.
However, there there are levels of erotica, I mean, all the way
down from smut, which would be probably closer to porn, where
it's just the sex act to erotica to erotic romance, which may
have more of a story, more romance in it.
And I think that's what a lot of people like too, is they like
the story they like. They may like the sex scene, but
they really also like to know. What more about the characters
than just what their body parts are doing, you know?
And it erotica, especially audio erotica, can give that to you.
And just to listen to certain people's voices too is can be
very sensual and pleasing and definitely arousing.
Especially if you're an auditory person with your sexuality, you
know absolutely What are some of the sexiest sounds phrases just
in general, like what titillates that ear of ruin?
I am very I'm definitely auditory and I don't think I
really realized that until I was doing all of this audio.
Like, I love dirty talk. I mean, I'm like all over dirty
talk that like, gets me crazy. And like continual
verbalizations is very like, if I'm looking at okay.
So if I'm looking at porn and it's silent, I'm like, fuck, no,
I want to hear you people. I want to know what the fuck
you're saying. I want to know how you say it.
Give it to me, you know, like if I'm, if it's silent, I'm like,
I'm moving on. I don't want this silent shit.
Absolutely. I mean, who who honestly loves
silent fucking? I always get scared if you're
not responsive in the bedroom. Like, hello are are we?
Are we alive here? Like do I have a poll?
Come on. Exactly.
Are you alive in there? What's going on when you're.
Yeah, because it's just it leaves that such a huge part.
If it it's silent, you know, that's just, that's a part of
it. Absolutely.
And then even just like in our relationships, I love a good
word play in my relationships. You know, I like dirty talking
to the extent not like of, you know, degradation, you know,
anything offensive. But I don't know, it's something
about the active role play that sometimes word play versus role
play. I think it's harder to sometimes
get into role play when you're in relationships because, you
know, you're so used to seeing your partner one way.
And I don't know about you, but role-playing for me always just
ends up in shits and kicks opposite route.
But The Dirty talking, oh, honey, yes.
Like say all The Dirty things in my ear.
Say it out loud, you know, so the neighbors can hear it.
Like the fucking louder the better.
And you know, words are very powerful.
I don't know, like maybe I shouldn't have been reading
this, you know, at 11:00 and 12:00.
And I do definitely blame, you know, Jackie Collins and my
father who introduced me to the world of Jackie Collins to just
kind of ruin, not ruin sex, but also just like the expectation
of sex I feel from a female gays.
Because we've read the old erotica from the 80s and 90s
and, you know, just like they say that porn is so just not
real. Yeah, some of these books, I I
swear to God, there's just no way in hell, you know, if you're
at the office. And then all of a sudden this
man with his bulging pants is just going to bend you over in
the desk and you're still going to make it to your 5:00 PM
meeting, like, no, no, this shit does not happen.
You. It's, it's still, it does have
an element of ridiculousness to it, doesn't it?
I mean absolutely. And you just so happened didn't
spill your coffee, you know your hair wasn't come on this
expectations and that. But something I really like is
like the real like the real life audio erotica that's been coming
out. I've talked about Dipsy a lot,
especially cause I myself am a Dipsy fan and how they just
really tap into all different spectrums and so funny.
What's your favorite type of erotica that you like to create?
Oh gosh, I I do everything from a woman on woman to heterosexual
to multiple partner. I really, also really enjoy
erotic ROM com, which I think is fun.
It's fun to have like, you know, you know, comedy in there or
just like silly ridiculous things.
So I have a series that is an erotic ROM com series and that's
so much fun too. And.
I just have so many different places I want to go.
I have a giant list of things that I would like to write
about, so I'm not going to run out of stuff.
I love that. I love that.
What has been the most challenging thing as a female?
You know, erotica. Just expertise, if you will, You
know? Have you found challenges in
your personal life as a female in this industry?
Yeah, definitely. A lot of.
Like I said earlier, a lot of people think that just because I
write. A particular story that that's
my fantasy and I'm still like no, I'm still writing fiction.
It's people somehow view the genre of erotica differently
than other genres and I'm not quite sure why that is.
Maybe because it is about sex and it's about something
personal. Sex is very personal, but people
will think that just because I wrote something that that's my
fantasy or that that's a reflection of my life and I even
have a a series where the character is ruined and.
You know, people think, oh, that's really, that's really
what her life is. And I'm like, no, no, that's
still fiction, baby. It is not a memoir.
I was going to ask you, like, you know, how you said you
insert yourself in a lot of these stories?
You know, how much of it does get transpired from real life to
where you like? Do you find yourself on dates or
sexual excursions, if you will, And just say, hold on, pause, I
need to write this down for my next book.
Like, do you ever find yourself doing that?
Because I I tend to do that a lot with show topics.
You know, I'm in the middle of interacting with my partners,
you know, being polyamorous and all that.
And I always like, seems to have to break in between my my dates.
Sometimes if you will be like actually you just said something
really good. I need to circle that for you.
Yes, absolutely. I mean, you know, there's
phrases you take sometimes even, you know, like the way somebody
said something or. A string of words, a sentence.
I've done that. Just an idea.
Oh, absolutely so. And but that's really fun too.
I mean, it's just, it's a fun thing to do, I think, to take
like a real sentence that somebody said and like, put it
in a story. Yes, fucking fun.
And it's like an inside joke. Like not joke but inside like.
You know, sexiness, I guess. Remember when I love that and I
think that it also can enhance the relationship so much better.
You know, if we take a little bit what we learned from
erotica, because I feel like it can really enhance the
relationship. And let's get into that.
Because I feel that there are a lot of couples who find it kind
of hard to bring back that spark that they used to have when
they're first dating or when they first got married.
And especially for those, you know, who have kids.
I don't have kids, but I have a lot of friends who are now just
up and coming, popping out babies like it's Skittles.
You know, they always come to me, like, how do you just keep
it so fresh in your relationship?
And I was like, well-being polyamorous, that's one part of,
you know, keeping it fresh in the bedroom.
Because as my primary partner and I, my live in boyfriend that
we talked about is he loves to go on.
He sees sex as, like a social thing, means it's a little bit
more deeper. But sex for him is a more social
thing. So if he's on dates with
somebody, he likes to sometimes, you know, try things out and
then bring it home and be like, you know what?
That was really fun with that date.
Let me, let me bring it home to to Sapphire and see what she
would like about that. And sometimes I'm like, where
the fuck did you learn this? Do it again.
Yeah. No.
It's like you could go back to your two toy for that one.
That's not me. Right.
You know, it's it's true though. I mean, you know, Radhaka is a
definitely great way to introduce things too and be
like, you know, just sit back and listen to a story together
and be like, you know, instead of instead of going up to the
person. I mean saying like, hey, do you
want to, you know, do this role play or do you want to be tied
up or whatever it is? Sit and listen to a story about
it and then talk about me like, hey, what you think of that?
You know you're not putting the person on the spot.
It's a really indirect way to bring up a sexual topic is if
you choose a book and say, hey, let's listen to this book
together and talk about it. I like, you know.
Yes, because it's almost if you will like a show and tell.
You know, and I think that would be good for couples to just one
night, especially those again losing their spark or having
communication problems that they're able to pop in one of
your works or you know, read one of your works and kind of just
say like hey, Hun came across this, let me know what you think
and from there just kind of explore if you will see how long
you last. To the erotica, if you will.
I think that is a great tool for couples and also for you.
Like where do you find like do you ever find yourself drawing
inspiration from other couples? Or like do your does your
audience reach out to you and give you some inspiration?
How does that all work and entail with the works that you
put out? Absolutely.
So I've had people specifically reach out and give me story
ideas or reach out to me and say, hey, will you write a story
about this? Will you create something on
your podcast about this? And I have created works and
published using those ideas and it's it's really fun.
It's really satisfying for me and it gets satisfying for the
person who asked for it. I've had people even pay me
commissioned, you know, will you write a story and pay me to
write a story about that? And then I'll be like, well,
where are you? Okay, okay with me sharing this
and you know, whatever they wish.
Then I might create it into a a novella or a podcast episode.
You know, there's so many different things that you can do
with that, and it's just really fun.
I really enjoy doing that. Let's see, I forgot what's the
first part of your question. So that part.
And then there was we. Were talking about your your
favorite type of the erotica, like the type of genre that you
like to tap into? Oh yes, yes.
And I really I I read a lot of my peers, not.
And I really like to stick with indie authors who are doing what
they want rather than people who are trying to fit into the
mainstream publishers. Because, I mean, I I have a book
published with a publisher, traditional publisher, and they
really do try to guide it and fit it into a certain mold, you
know? And when you're an indie author,
you can do whatever the fuck you want.
I was just publishing it. I'm glad that you mentioned that
because I was always wondering you know when people sign with
major, you know publishing houses versus you you have your
own company which we got into that because I think that's
amazing that. You have been able to create
your own company which is called Pink Infinity and are you taking
on new authors? Like, how does this company
work, set aside from, you know, the major companies that you may
be working with? Well, I definitely want to do
that at some point. I would love to take on authors.
Right now I'm just doing my own. But I definitely would like to
do that in the future. That's definitely a goal of mine
and I like to go that way. But the reason I did it was I
was, you know, author or publishers will put on a call
for submissions. Okay, we want this.
So you write a story for that, right?
And then they don't choose you. What do you do with that story?
You've wasted your time. And I did it a couple of times
and one actually wanted something.
And then I I just decided, you know what, I don't want to fit
in their mold. And and I didn't want to keep
writing stories that we're fitting what they wanted, like
okay. So, you know, I can turn around
and take that story and just publish it myself, you know, if
they didn't want it. But it just to me, it gave me
such a greater bandwidth to do whatever I want.
I could create my own cover. I could pay for a cover.
I can do what I want and I can choose which editor I want.
You know, it's just a crazy amount of freedom and we're
living in a time that has never happened, ever that we know of
in this world right now where we can create content and publish
it and distribute it across the world.
I mean, it's like mind blowing that we can do this.
And while we still can let, let's be completely honest,
because I know even in radio right now, I keep saying it,
it's like we're in uncharted territories with the integration
of a I, you know, they have now an AIDJ who is boasting that no,
this is just the way of the future and it's not going to
replace any radio jocks, but it's like it is.
And it makes me very scared, you know, as a native.
But that's why also I'm I'm happy to have sapphires your
play under my control, just like you have your works under your
own control. Can you see you know the can you
see A I really tapping in to the world of erotica and does that
scare you at any point But it does scare me.
But as a person I would be like I don't really want to read
something created by an A I I want to read it created by some
a person from a person's brain that is way sexier than some
stupid A I I mean it's just is Yeah.
So I don't know that I would ever If I knew something was
made by an A, I I don't know that I'd want it.
It is kind of scary when you think about it, especially like,
you know, for years. You know, people used to say
like, oh, books are dead. You know, especially like when
the books started coming out and people like, oh, that's the end
of literature. And I'm like, that's bullshit.
Books are going to keep coming out left and right.
People are going to still need to find research or some type of
entertainment. So I think for you, it's like,
yeah, erotica can evolve and like you said, A, I could still
be out there. But it's people like yourself
that really tap in to their audience and tap in to making
real connections work. And who knows what can happen,
you know, Later on with the evolution of erotica, I could
see you screen writing for, you know, some of these these much
needed porns that would you Would you ever consider, you
know, writing for some porn companies or would you want to
stick to the erotica? I would I do.
Another unique thing I do is I've written, I think I've
written four stories for Frolic Me.
I don't know if you've heard of them.
Yep, The ethical porn site, you know, female owned, They're out
of the UK And so they make these beautiful, gorgeous films.
And I've written, they like to have a fiction story go along
with their film. And so I have written four
stories for them so far. I think three of them have been
published so far, but it's not a mirror of what's happening.
It's like more information to make it a more complete picture.
You get to create the storyline and stuff that goes with it.
So that's kind of like similar to what you're saying.
And I do enjoy doing that, yeah, for sure.
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Wow. We have been talking so much
about, you know, just the aspect of erotica, your journey and
everything. What can you see yourself doing
next in the world of erotica? Is there something that?
You want to tap into that. You feel it's like, you know
what? Never been able to do this.
Let me push myself to do it. What do you think is going to
come next for you out of your projects?
Well, I guess I would say something that I've actually
already started a little bit. If it, which is working with
other voice actors on audio books are kind of making it more
of a production where it's not just only me.
And I'm really curious how my fans are going to respond to
that. I've done one book with two
other podcasters who are wanting to break into the voiceover
realm and I hired them to be the two male voices in one of my
audiobooks. And so, which was so I mean, you
know, creating an audiobook is very, very time consuming, very
time consuming. Like if you're narrating, you
know, you can expect two to four times as long to edit that audio
than it took for you to narrate it, right?
So then now mix in other voices, right?
You're going to magnify the length of that even longer.
So I've started doing that and I have that book out.
And right now I'm working with three different men on this book
where they all do different things, Like one man does audio
voiceover work on only fans, and another one does it on Pornhub,
and then the other one is the podcaster.
And so it's really fun to mix my voice with their voices into an
audio book. And so I guess that's kind of
what I'm really excited about moving into right now.
But it's it's it's also interesting because I've tried a
few voices with mine and they didn't work.
It didn't sound as good, you know, it's so interesting.
Like I I really hadn't thought of that until I listened to them
and I'm like, oh, that sounds that doesn't work.
And so it's really fun to do this and it makes it more of a
production. And yeah, we'll see where it
goes. I'll see if people like it, and
if they do, I'll continue to do it.
But if not, I'll switch back to just all me.
I really admire that because I had thought about doing more
storyline podcasts, like audio books, if you will.
People have asked me to do that, and I started auditioning a lot
for certain audio books, which is crazy to me.
Like I just started a month in to voice over and getting a lot
of national booking, a lot of national spots and all that.
Fingers crossed. But it's also, I've never
thought I would see myself as an audio book narrator because like
you said, it is a lot of work. I'm so used to doing, you know,
sponsored ads for both radio and for podcasting. 30 seconds in, a
minute out, that's about it. Done deal.
Then I do my editing if you if I have to do any editing.
And maybe 2 hours tops. Boom.
Done. Even like, right, You know,
editing this podcast, it's. 2-3 hours of my day, boom, I'm done.
That's it. And I really admire your hustle,
as you know, creating audiobooks versus writing.
I know there's probably a huge difference because again, you
have to worry about the voices, the sound effects, then blending
everything together, mixing y'all.
It's a pain in the ass. It is.
And you want it to flow.
You don't want to sound like you're in different rooms, you
know, like if someone has a different, like, so you have to
you. It has to sound you.
It has to sound a certain way. Absolutely.
And it just sounds silly or dumb or fake, you know?
And so that's definitely a challenge.
But yeah, I know my longest book was Magic in Her Kisses, and I
think that book ended up over 7 hours.
Wow, that was a long, long sucker.
And and that one was my woman woman on woman story, my fiction
story. And but this this next one I'm
working on will be the next one I'm working on will be even
longer. When I'm I'm right now I'm doing
Decade and Erotica, my anthology.
And then when I do Neighborhood Sex secrets, that one's going to
be even longer because it's a longer book.
Let's talk about neighborhood sex, secrets, the name in
general. I'm just I'm thinking of like.
I'm thinking if it's like, oh, this is like one of those
lifetime, like, edgy ones, it sounds like the title.
Tell us about it. Get us this hype.
You know you're launching it next month, so I know you're
excited. What can people expect from this
story? So this is a story about a
woman. I wanted to write a story about
a woman who was exploring her sexuality, sex, floring and just
really expanding her sexuality. So she comes out of a marriage
where she was very repressed. He was a narcissistic, abusive
person that really repressed her.
And just totally, she finally breaks free.
And so she's now a single person.
She's a single mom in a neighborhood.
And so this is like a suburban neighborhood, right?
That looks really vanilla and boring and go home and so she
goes to this she goes to this neighborhood pool party and
there's a couple of men who were hitting on her their
neighborhood men and they they just kind of bring up to her hey
you know we're we're swingers do you want to join us kind of a
thing And they kind of pull her into the pool shed and she's she
just decides to let go and so they.
So she's she finds herself all of a sudden she's she's, you
know she's been attracted especially to the one of them
and all of a sudden they get into the situation where she's
just her mind is blown. And so they get into this
relationship where they are a triad.
So it's and then they they use the terms that the role play of
daddy, daddy and little girl, good girl.
They don't necessarily little girl, but so they are.
So they introduced her to this secret underworld of swinging
that is occurring in her neighborhood where she has lived
for years and had absolutely no idea that this was going on.
And so she creates the sexual bucket list and they help her do
all these things and she, she gets really, really raunchy.
I mean, I'm talking like, you know, she does.
She wants to a gangbang. She wants to do a blowjob event
at the BBQ of the neighborhood BBQ.
Blowjob event Hold out. I need more because I like the
way I'm picturing it is like you have your your BBQ of the
neighborhood. Everybody's like, oh, try my
potato salad and have a side of blowjobs.
If you it's very done, very secretively and only they've
only approached her, her, her and her partners have approached
certain men and so they have, They have this like garden area
and they're like watching out. And so then the men come in.
I don't want to spoil too much, but so like they set it up ahead
of time. So they're setting up all these
different scenarios for her, and she gets to have fun, and it's
really all about what she wants. Even though some of these men
may not think that that's what's going on, it's what she wants.
And her partners are watching out, making sure it's going
exactly how she wants. She is a submissive.
She's their submissive, but it's all what she wants.
And so I had so much fun writing it.
I did a lot of raunchy things that, you know, many people
might think, oh, I would never do that, But Alexa, her name is
Alexa. Alexa wants to do that baby, and
she does it all. Now, was there any real life
inspiration out of this tale? Pieces of it, and pieces of it
were, we're definitely reflective of me and my
fantasies, for sure. Not not all of it, but
definitely pieces of it. And so it just, I really went
all different places, you know, there's multiple partners.
She's bisexual, so there's a little bit of that that comes
into play that she's never done before.
And so I go a lot of different different sexual places and a
lot of different, different sexual acts in the book.
And there's a full storyline that goes along with it, too.
So it's not just all, you know, Alexa going around having sex
with everybody and doing. I like that I'm OK.
I'm already getting hypes. I'm going to have to just do the
presale on Amazon right now, if you will, because.
This sounds fun. I I love these types of stories
of Veronica, of, you know, the woman who is rediscovering
herself through sexuality. I find that very important,
especially as I'm in my early 30s and I'm kind of like there's
a lot that happens, you know, between your 20s and 30s.
And you know, I I love the change, if you will, because my
20s were my mistakes to be. A hoe now, I would say becoming
polyamorous in my 30s. I'm now a selective hoe, if you
will. So it's nice to like tap in and
be like, Nah, I'm not. I'm not with that shit anymore.
Like, especially now with men. It's gosh, I'm good in the
Dick's apartment, as I like to say.
But also it's it's just nice to know exactly what the fuck I
want. How I want it and then finding
erotica that speaks to me on that.
So I love stories like that where you know, the character is
is, you know, pushing her boundaries of her, if you will,
but also like rediscovering her body.
And I think that's extremely important, extremely.
It was no fun to to write the chapter.
I wrote one particular chapter where she's just, it's it's all
about how she's masturbating with toys.
And you know, she never had this experience in her life and it
was really fun to write that and have her explore that.
And she had a lot of fun. Do you ever encourage your
readers, you know, as they're flipping through or even
listening through? Do you encourage them to, if you
will, go through a self exploration phase of the stories
for sure? Oh, for sure.
Absolutely. How important would you say that
they need to start incorporating masturbation into erotica?
Oh 100%. They totally should.
I think I'm, I'm totally with you.
I think it's a tool. I think it's entertainment.
It is something that can get you in the mood.
It can help you get off. It definitely should include
masturbation and then I that I to me that's an honor.
I'm like, if you get off to my book and my writing, I'm like,
fuck yeah, I love that. It makes you know that you
everyday. It makes you know it's.
It must make you feel good to know that you're serving a
purpose beyond just. You know, pages.
You know, notes to a page. Or, you know, just simply saying
like words and phrases. Being able to say like you've
probably helped couples and individuals become and
rediscover themselves through sex in a way that makes them
feel comfortable. Yeah, I mean that that is
amazing. If if I can do that kind of
stuff, I I feel like a success. That is fantastic, man.
Fucking Tastic. What would you say are some of
the like do's and don'ts of erotica?
Because I feel like there's got to be a fine line of when, you
know, someone might be listening right now and they're like, you
know what? I think I can do this, but do
you have any tips or just like the do's and don'ts when it
comes to erotica? Yeah, and it really does depend
on your audience. Like, I have both male and
female. I have you know, penis owners
and Volvo owners listen to me, but it depends on your audience.
Sometimes like I tend to find penis owners really like when I
make a lot of sounds, they like the moaning, they like sounds.
But some of the the women of all owners don't necessarily like
that as much unless they happen to be into women.
So that's where it gets to be a challenge.
And some, you know, I've also narrated for I think four or
five other authors and it really helps to know who their audience
is going to be what how much of that I add in.
And the author often has their own opinion too.
Like I just did one caught by the Panther and she was a female
author and she wanted a very minimal sound effects.
Like she just wanted like just really scaled back.
And so I did that for her. But it's it does depend to know
your audiences. So if you think you're going to
do something, you're not going to necessarily please every
single reader, every single audience.
It's just it's a reality. And so you got to do what you
do. You got to do what seems to fit
that author or that particular storyline, you know, and so you
can overdo it. And I've had some people that
did not like and like, oh, I was way too much sound.
And other people like, yes, I love that, give me more sound,
you know, like. So that's a definitely a hard
thing to navigate. But know your audience, I guess,
for what you're doing is the big key. 1000 for saying and that
even goes with podcasting. You've got to know your
audience. You know Test Kitchen, as I like
to say, is the best. You know, some topics are going
to resonate with others than the ones that I think are going to
resonate. And I love that.
But also I got to ask if, you know, I'm not trying to sound
crass. I know I really just said that
on sapphires of your play. Like I don't offend, you know, I
I don't aim to offend anybody on the show.
And I can't believe I'm asking this.
Oh, go for it. I'm so curious.
I I just, OK. So yeah I could see when people
say pull back on the the who's and the Ah's how do you put
yourself because I can never imagine myself recording myself
to climax. So do you have to like, go
through a progress like a process of faking an orgasm?
Are these orgasms real that we're hearing in the stories
like? Do you have just like a a slave
underneath your, you know, at the foot of your desk or like, a
little, like, specific toy? They're like, you know what?
Let me just this is this is the time.
Boom. Let's catch.
Well, OK. So the answer to all of that is
yes, across the board. But different scenarios I'll
explain. So sometimes I, you know, just
get into the story and I don't know, it's just something I've
realized I can do. I can act out and and it's
something I guess after doing all of these podcast episodes
and all these erotica fiction podcast episodes and I've done I
don't know probably 50 some audio books and something I've
learned I can do. So I can act that out.
And also on my podcast I have actually used a toy during to
get the sounds. And what what I find really
interesting is when people, when if they know which one was one
that I did, they say you saw exactly the same in both.
Like they can't tell the difference.
And I'm like sweet, that's that's awesome.
I love that. So I guess I've done both and I
had an author approached me once that wanted me to read a story
on the podcast and I used to toy along as if I were the female
character in the story. And that was really fun to do
too. And so yeah, I guess I've done
all across the board and something I've just learned that
I can do, Which I know is is weird because it's not like I
went, you know, didn't go to school to learn how to make
sounds or, you know. I know.
It's like, I always love fucking with people with theater of the
mind. And when, especially when I was
working at Playboy, that's all that was.
Like, yeah, there were sex acts, but we couldn't acknowledge it
because technically we weren't allowed to have sex on air.
Technically, yeah. Technically.
But did it happen? Yeah, I did.
Thank goodness my contract is up with them and they're no longer
in the radio realm. So I could say all these
secrets, but a lot of the times it's like I would be eating a
sandwich and people thought I was eating, you know, one of the
porn stars out in studio. We used to have like a silicone
pussy. I just smack it, you know, and
it just, it sounded believable. Or sometimes I would just in
between my elbows. Oh, I bet for sure.
It was the best. It was the best.
But me, just like when people asked me to really orgasm, I
found it almost kind of weird to have sex on air like I've done
it before. And as much as a voyeur as I
was, I was always like, okay. I don't want this to come out
not genuine. Like, I know I'm a loud person,
so if I'm giving you a sample of how I sound in the bedroom, I
don't want you to think like I'm I'm faking.
So I guess I just have to overcome that hurdle and just,
you know, let it out once in a while.
I know, I know. You know, I guess I just really
get immersed in the stories too. Like I'm like feel them, I'm
acting them out. So it's just kind of like I just
react and just do it. Just kind of, I guess it just
kind of comes out naturally for me and I just, I I don't know.
I love that. I love that.
Looking at some of your titles by the way, A1 that stuck out to
me very, very like I was like, yes, this is great, never say
never swing, Oh yes. Please tell the reader like
listeners about this one because I I feel like the the title
itself. First of all, I think it's
genius. Just very simple because.
Yeah, you should never say that. You're never going to try
something, especially in the world of sex.
So with this story, give us a little synopsis.
OK, so yes, and that one I'm actually working on an audio
book with right now too with the two podcasters that I hired.
And so this is a story of these two couples have been friends
for a very long time. Their families are friends,
their kids hang out, they have dinner together.
And so in this particular story, the kids have gone to one house
to hang out and the two couples have gone to another to hang
out. And the one couple had started
dabbling into swinging and they'd been wanting to ask the
other couple and you know, hey, do you want to do this?
They want to approach them. And so, in a way that actually
ended up working out very naturally, as they were talking,
flirting, just having a good old time, it came up, hey, would you
guys ever want to swing? And so I go through the whole
process in the story of them thinking about it, then being
shocked, then being interested to actually negotiating, And
then boom, things happen. I would love that.
And again, never say never swing.
There you go. I definitely, I was like
looking. I'm like, ooh, I got to tap into
some of these titles, but that one just for some reason tapped
in very well and maybe that's because of the atmosphere that.
I like to put myself in. I don't call myself a swinger,
but I do like going to swinger parties.
I love, you know, telling people of how open going to a swinger
swingers event can be. Quite an enhancement for your
relationship. You don't have to swing to
bring, you know the lessons of a swing party to the table of your
relationship. So I love that again, you
centered a story around friends. Who may or may not have been
attracted to each other, but they knew that there was some
type of tension that needed to be let out and then that's that.
And I think honestly, just like all aspects of sexuality, it's
fluid, You know, it should be an ebb and flow.
Sometimes you don't have to necessarily be attracted to the
person physically. As I've learned later in life,
it's not all about the looks. It's sometimes just if the five
feels right, right? Why not?
Be adults. Negotiate.
Which I love that you brought that up.
Negotiate about it. And then go into whatever comes
next. Oh yeah.
And I wanted that to be a part of the story.
Yeah, They actually sit down and write before they start talking.
They actually sit down and write out a list of things they know
that are definitely knows things that are yeses, things are
maybes, things are curious about, and then they actually
talk about it. So yeah, I mean, the
communication part was was fun to write.
I like that because that's the way it should be.
Absolutely. I mean sex, communication, go
hand in hand. You can't have, you know, you
can't give yourself, you can't give your body to someone else
without proper communication. You know, body language only
goes so far. But using your words and being
very verbal on what you need, and even after the fact being
verbal about what had just happened to process, is
extremely important no matter what level of the relationship
you're at. Yeah, it's just it's vital.
It's key. With that said, Ruin.
First of all, I can't believe how much time has flown by.
Thank you so much for joining. Where can people get in touch
with you again? We have your new project coming
out, neighborhood sex secrets coming out next month.
So excited for that. For you, yes.
And I'm on Twitter. I'm on Instagram.
You can find my books on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Apple, Google,
all over Kobo. You know, I kind of have them
everywhere. And my website
isruinwillowauthor.com and my podcast is, oh fuck yeah, with
Ruin Willow, which is on all the podcast apps.
So you can find me pretty much. I'm all over the place with
that, so. It will, of course put the link
tree bio in this episode description so you guys can find
it because like I said, she's got a plethora.
A plethora of great erotica out there and I'm just so excited
again. I I just can't wait for
neighborhood sex secrets. You sold me automatically on the
description. I'm like, yes, got to go back.
I got to go back and dig to more and of course, you know, find
you on the moan app you do tend to do some chats on there.
Would you say it's a little bit different, you know, because you
have now a live audience just in rapping on that?
Yeah, it is. I mean, I really, what I've been
doing about once a month is narrating one of my stories or,
you know, an excerpt and then just having like a discussion
afterwards. And yeah, it's really fun.
I mean, every once in a while I might screw up a little bit
because it's hard to to read a long extended portion and not
screw up. But I've done pretty decent, I
would say. I've had like just a few minor
things. But it's fun and I really enjoy
it. I really love to just read for
people, I guess. And so it's really, it's fun for
me and I love it when people come in and we talk afterwards
and the conversation can go wherever.
I'm open to whatever, absolutely.
It's really a fun thing. We'll definitely find her on the
moan out too, guys. And of course you can find me at
Ms. Radio sapphire.com at Ms. Radio Sapphire on Instagram.
And till the next time, remember that safe sex is the best hot
sex. Good night.
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