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It's your girls sapphire. And I am so excited because I
love a good strip club every now and again.
And I gotta say, since the pandemic, I've been kind of
feeling even more. And I don't know if that's
because I've been about four or five months married in.
My husband and I, we love the girlies.
And we're like, we have yet to celebrate our nuptials the right
way. And I am so excited to bring my
next guest. His name is Mike Dickinson.
Now, you probably don't know the name Mike, but if the Pony USA
rings a bell, we're talking strip clubs of strip clubs.
This is the strip club chains of all chains from places in
Kentucky, Louisville, we're talking Vegas, Illinois.
I got to say I'm excited because the man deems these clubs as the
Yankees. You know I'm a Dodger girl,
though by default, Yankees is my backup team.
But we got the Mecca, the man, the myth, the legend.
Mike Dickinson talking about the Pony USA.
Got to bring in the rowdy frout boys for this, talking about
strip club etiquette and more. Here we go, y'all, Mike?
Thank you. Yeah, of course.
So, Mike, I got to say, a man like you, I see you on the
Instagram, big old, you know, Stetson hat, looking like a
ranching farm boy. How does a man like you get
caught up to be like the king of strip clubs at this point?
So I mean, I tell people all the time, my job is kind of like the
TV show Land Man, and the scripts love your oil wells and
you get around and you got to make sure they're Purdue
descending and dealing with everything and navigate
everything. So yeah, I definitely wear the
sets and hat when I can. You know what, I'm glad you said
Land man because that is currently my shit.
The the Taylor Sheridan universe in general, but that show in
particular, I don't think you could have said it even best.
So you're you're basically like the Billy Bob Thornton.
I love it. I love it, I love it.
Exactly. Every day, every day I feel like
Billy Bob's character and landing and dealing with
problems and oil wells and strip clubs and all of that.
So are you also dealing with a crazy ex-wife baby Mama as well,
you know, with a just raging hormonal daughter who was just,
you know, we don't know she's going to become the strip club,
you know, franchise face of the strip clubs later or she's going
to be behind the bowl later. Are we dealing with that too?
No, no crazy ex wives or crazy daughter, but it feels like as
odds are lots of crazy women that I do have to deal with
every day. Most of them work for me though.
I love it. So I got to say, over the years,
we have definitely seen a decline in, you know, strip club
culture. I feel like, I mean, now we have
the rise of digital era AI taking over.
I've heard even rumors that AI might even make its way into the
strip club venture. So how are you guys keeping
afloat with this whole change of inflation and you know, Jen, the
newer generation really spending money in any type of cub culture
or alcohol fueled, you know, environments?
How are you dealing with all that?
I think at the end of the day, no matter how good the AI is or
the social media is, nothing can really replace the the
one-on-one conversation. I guess gets with a, with a hot
girl when he comes into the strip club or when who goes into
the VIP room or just the whole atmosphere of coming in and
having a good time like that. Plus, I think if you look at how
today's dating world and social interaction world is built, the
whole idea, I mean, there's more, there's more sugar daddy
websites and there are dating websites now.
So a lot of young people are whole or they're very used to
this whole transactional relationship by thing.
Whereas like in the early 2000s and the 90s, it was all a game.
People will come to the strip club to buy bands and it was
like, wow, the, the stripper might really go home with me or
she really might like me. And these days I think everybody
knows that is all just a game and a hustle.
And so I think it's easier in a lot of ways for the dancers to
sell VIPs because I think guests that come understand that it's
transactional. You know you, you, you want
sympathy, you want, you know, comfort, You want somebody to
talk to. You pay 300 bucks and you get a
friend for an envelope. That's true.
And you know, and I'm glad that you said that the whole
transactional thing because as I like I, I've been becoming this
big Reddit threader and I don't know about you.
A good Reddit feed sometimes is even better than going on Yelp
and trying to find the nitty gritty of a business.
And so as I was venturing through, like, the strip club
feeds and just trying to feel like, you know, where are
people's heads at in strip club culture?
That's one of the things that some guys have definitely
complained about was that they feel like it's more about
upselling and that pressure to buy, buy, buy the dance.
And there's no, like, real connection.
It's that whole, like, pay now and next.
Do you feel the same way sometimes when you're going out
to different clubs and maybe seeking like, how can we change
that rhetoric? Yeah, I think that especially
the the younger generation of dancers, I know when I go to
other clubs and kind of shop around, it's very much either
either the the dancer approaches you and she wants to talk for an
hour about the weather and never asks, or they just come right
out and ask, do you want to dance?
Right. The whole the whole hustle of
sit down and work like 20 minutes into getting the guests
to buy a dance. Very few, very few dancers have
that skirt amount. Wow.
And it's like the ability, I don't know if it was the
pandemic or if people got socially stunted.
I think people just in general maybe don't socially interact as
good as they did it before the before the pandemic and before
all of that. It's.
You know, it's funny, I that is a constant thing that I
literally talk about on this show all the time.
I feel like even my own audience, they feel this is
going to come on since COVID. I mean, shit hasn't been the
same. Really it hasn't.
And one of the biggest things that I talk about is that we
have been so deprived of interaction that even now still
six years later, we are still retraining our bodies, our minds
and our just ourselves in general of getting back into
those interactional conversations.
And like you said, there's more sugar daddy websites than there
are dating sites now. And whereas like here we were
sexually deprived, almost five years of touch, now you have
this whole new generation where everything is text based.
And yeah, it's like you're almost too scared to approach
women in life. And yet the strip club used to
be that vice to be like, hey, this is my warm up of how to
approach women one-on-one. Yeah, definitely.
And it's, it seems like that's where we're at.
I mean, I think you have to remember that basically a lot of
people they lost two years of their lives with either they
were seniors in high school or they were in college.
And so they lost all of that partying and talking to other
people. And, and now, you know, if you
were 18 when the pandemic hit, you're, you're like 25 years old
now. So you're right, you're right in
that middle where you should be going out to bars and clubs, but
you lost that time during that. So you don't know how to
interact and everybody is very awkward.
It's definitely the era of awkwardness.
I mean, even like when I talk about strip clubs now and I'm
such a big fan of shows like P Valley and even just recently
watched the documentary, the second part documentary of BMF,
which is the one of the biggest crime games gangs of all time in
the hip hop strip club culture. And they did talk about, you
know, this strip club being the Mecca for all these, you know,
gangsters to just hang out, you know, be a party relevancy.
I mean, strip club culture, you hear it in the music, whether
it's rock, hip hop, bass, like there's a heavy influence that
these women have put on. And now it's like some of that
has gone away. And it's not so much as like
being the the naughty secret. It's just the fact that it's too
expensive to go out support, you know, a vice that you love so
much. And I feel honestly, even to the
point where I'm like, yeah, I want to go and blow bands, but
I'm like, is it rent or my personal, you know, my personal
vice? Like, what do you do?
So how do you feel, You know, down the line, maybe even 10
years down the line, how can we, I guess not cheap in the market,
but also cheap in the pockets of the patrons who want to, you
know, go out and have a good time?
It's so hard now to find that balance because everything costs
so much. You look on, you look in
restaurants. Big king restaurants can't even
make it right now because the cost of everything is crazy.
So it's hard for even the big chain restaurants to make it,
much less small, small strip clubs.
So finding a way to balance the business model so that you can
get people in the door and not break the bank and also have
good entertainment and a good experience.
It's very difficult. How will how it will end up?
I mean, I think businesses and strip clubs especially just have
to keep focusing on giving people value and giving, giving
consumers and guests value to get them in the door.
And I think that it the whole business model, you see it a lot
of times where you can't these days of charging $30.00 at the
door and $40 at the door or $20.00 for a drink.
I mean, we're seeing how that's working in Las Vegas.
It's it's killing Las Vegas. I mean, Las Vegas is killing, is
falling apart. It breaks my heart.
The whole business model has to really be redone.
Yeah. So would you say this is where
you come in, you know, a guy like yourself, you're checking
out all these clubs, you know, in various areas, Like, is this
your job to really like, go in and say, hey, how can we keep
the fun going but also restructuring this model?
Like, hey, we also need the money too.
Like we're hurting too, but we know we want to give you top
quality entertainment. Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's so far now and we we a lot of the times or
go or we try to, we give out free passes all the times we get
in the door. We don't even really worry about
signing a made money at the door.
Wow. If you can get people in the
door, because that's the hard thing these days is you went pre
pandemic where on a Friday or Saturday night you were doing a
hundred 200 people through the door.
These days, even 6-6 years later, you're doing good if you
get 100 people through the board.
So it's better to just give out, give the door to get them in the
door, and then they'll buy. They'll buy once they get
inside. Now, do you see like a like a
like a age fluctuation or do you still see kind of like the same
group like as before? Like is it still a?
It's, it's a lot different. I mean, a lot of a lot of the
older generation, I guess we would call them the boomers that
were like 55 and up, They've kind of phased out of coming to
clubs a whole lot. The younger generation, they
come out, but they come out in groups.
They come out in groups of six or seven at a time.
A lot of the people you see that are under 40 come out in groups
because they're afraid to come by themselves.
So they come out in big groups of people.
There's lots of couples that come out now, more so than more
so than 10 years ago. There's a lot of couples that
come out as well. I was just about to ask you
about the couples because like I, I really enjoy hearing and
seeing couples really engaging in the in the circuit of strip
clubs. I'm all for, you know, I'm all
for it to go and have a good time with your partner and take
that that fantasy back home. Yeah.
And it's, it's, I mean, we did a lot of couples.
I mean, we probably did 30% couples, especially on the
weekends, very, very popular. Really.
Yeah. OK.
I want to hear some stories because now and again I I can't
remember who it is, but it was there was an NBA wife, I want to
say earlier this year. And I don't know if it was James
Arden's or some, some other baller's wife, but she like got
some Flack for saying like, I'm all for my man going to the show
club. I'll go with him.
I'll pay for the dances. And people are, you know, are
saying like, well, you know, you shouldn't be doing that as a
married woman, But I'm like, why the fuck not?
If you are comfortable in your marriage or in your relationship
and you want to broaden that atmosphere, like, why not go to
a controlled environment like a strip club?
And you know what goes behind closed doors when you're at the
strip club or at a Bachelorette or a bachelor party or just like
any type of, you know, crazy party, what happens in the strip
club? So why not want to see your
partner enjoying the same vice and maybe even unlocking
something of your own that you never knew that was there?
Yeah, we see that a lot. I mean, even last night in
Chicago at the Admiral, we had, we had, we had a comedy show, a
topless comedy show. And we had a couple that were
there and they were, the wife was sitting on the husband's lap
and they were having a good time.
Oh, hell yes. No, you said the wait, wait.
So you said the the wife was sitting on the husband's lap?
Wait a second. There's something missing out
that mix. Where was the stripper?
Oh, she was on stage. We had, it was a, it was a
topless comedy show. We had a comedian who was doing
a comedy show, but she was topless.
So they were sitting there enjoying it.
I love that. So you would you say like with
these themes now doing comedy show like topless comedy,
getting the people in the door in, would you say the flux of
themes has also kind of changed that culture too?
It's kind of helped business or do you feel that people are are
still kind of like testing the waters, if you will?
They're still testing the waters, but it's also you really
have to do events now. You really have to do things on
the weekends that drive people to come out.
The whole the whole business model of 10 years ago where you
would just come in and unlock the door and turn on the music
and people would come. That doesn't really work a whole
lot anymore. You have to do something.
You have to have a special guest, you have to have a
special event, you have to have something going on.
Got you, got you. Now I want to talk about this
again with the couples for you. What would be just like, hey I,
I, I would be so happy if we can just get rid of this type of
etiquette in the club. You see, for couples, well, if
they could, if they could, if they, if they wanted to have too
much fun, they should go to the hotel.
We've had that happen. Or they get a little bit too.
They start having too much fun and then we have to ask them to
please, no, don't do that. We're not a hotel.
We're not a place to have that kind of that kind of activity.
You can come and enjoy and watch, but don't keep, don't,
don't do all of that. Go, go to the hotel and do that.
That part of it. I I sense the southern gentleman
out of you, man, out of you, Mike, So you know, you can get
crass. I I want to know like, please
tell me the nitty gritty. Like are we talking?
Somebody's bringing out sex toys?
Are they fucking? Are they like?
Are they really trying to get away with everything that you
can think? Like, hey, but it's a strip
clubs her her tits are out. Why can't you know?
Why can't she join on the? We would, I mean, we wouldn't
really worry if the wife pulled her boots out sometimes.
And you go, you, they, they go into VIP and the dancers dancing
and she turns around. And then when she turns back
around, the couple is going at it.
Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
OK, OK. That happens.
Yeah, I mean guys, time and a place.
I mean, I get it. You think it's like a, you know,
I, I do feel sometimes that some people think because there's,
you know, adult entertainment happening in a, in a public area
that hey, it's kind of like a swingers club.
But you have to, like you said, you have to be distinctive.
Like this is a gentleman's bar. This is in, you know, a strip
club. This is not a swing club,
correct? Right now How now I just saw and
this is an older documentary so I'm going to age myself on that.
But American Swing, did you ever watch that documentary?
Yeah, I've seen that. Oh God.
OK, I hear. Give it to me, Mike.
I hear the groans. I mean, I have my my own Bruins
and annoyances. Let's talk about it.
I mean, I've seen some slingers cards in real life.
I mean, I've been to some, I've checked some out and we've I've
been the after at parties, at after hours clubs that are
geared around swingers. And I mean, I've been to adult
bookstores where there's swingers, swingers rooms and
place and it happens. I mean, it just, it seems like
it's, I don't know if it's exhibitionism or voyeurism or
what it is, but there's a lot of it.
Would you say like that could also maybe be a shift in the
strip club culture? Like do you think that down the
line we could see maybe a new change in club etiquette or
merging, you know, the 2 worlds if you will.
Like has that even being thought of because of the fact that
again, the adult entertainment industry is a billion dollar
industry. And if you break it down, you
know with the. 4000 plus clubs that are probably across, you
know, nationwide. Would you see maybe a change in
like merging those two vices or do you think for safety sake
merging those two worlds to never collide?
I don't know the dancers. I don't know.
I don't know how they would take it.
A lot of a lot of dancers are very cool with performing and
putting on a show, but they don't necessarily want to be
involved in what the what couples are doing, what anybody
else is feeling. A lot of them will tell you that
they're a lot of them. They're cool with putting on the
show and being the center of attention and all of that, but
they don't they don't want to, they don't want to be the be be
involved in the in part of the sex or or whatever.
Right. And I'm all about the consent
rules. So even just like, yeah,
ambiance, I feel like I, I'm all for like, hey, if someone is
dancing, you know, erotically or not, they're not asking to be
fucked without permission. So I'm all for that.
And so I would say with, you know, there has to be a consent
base with that too. But that I feel that also with
this new, you know, generation that we're moving into with, you
know, sexual approach and again, adult entertainment, merging
these two, I feel can also maybe be a helpful way for people to
have a healthier way of viewing sex and sexual activity.
You know, getting like a section where it's like it's only strip
clubs in the back. And this is where we have like
our swinger mingle area. I think if we were to almost
contain a dual entertainment into one like hub into some of
these States and places, I think it could be something to kind of
boost that extra missing factor, if you will.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, definitely. And it, it could help engage
everybody. I mean, in some, some states,
there's there's some places that have strong swinger communities
that have kind of done that a little bit like Tampa, Tampa, FL
There's a couple clubs down there that I know of.
There's a couple of pubs in New York that are kind of
underground that that do that. I love it.
I mean, I I've like and it's it also just baffles my mind.
And I don't know if that's because now married to a
southern gentleman himself, but as we were just going through
Savannah and Myrtle Beach out of all places, I'm like all these
conservative Bible belt places. I don't I just don't understand
this. Like how the hell are you going
to be holier than thou? But you guys have all the strip
clubs, and I mean, the CDs, the CDs of the CDs, strip clubs.
I don't understand that at all. Like, how could you put so much
restrictions on sex? But yeah, there's like every
hole in the wall. It's like you see a winn-dixie
and then there's that strip shop, there's a strip shack.
Then there's like a nice strip club.
And then there's also another like, CD hole in the wall adult
bookstore. I'm like, wait a second, how?
How could you be praising Jesus saying stop doing all this?
But then I could just go outside 50 feet and there's another
strip club down the street from the church.
Make it make sense. Make it make.
Sense it's, it's so operating strip clubs in so many different
states. You know that the place we get
hassled the least is down in the, in the South.
You know, they, they don't bother us whatsoever.
Like Tennessee, Kentucky, we never see the government.
They never bother us. It's hard to open a new strip
club there, but if there's already one that's open, you can
hardly ever see the government. Really.
Yeah, you, they, they don't bother you at all.
OK, that that again racking my brain around that because OK, so
you it it would be harder to like you said uproot A newer
strip club, but the older ones you don't pay any attention and
like they don't pay any mine now why do you think that they?
Don't bother. I don't know, you know, And it's
just, it's so weird because like you got like big cities like
Chicago where you would think that the strip club is
acceptable and not a problem, right?
As long as you pay the taxes in Chicago, they don't bother you.
But I mean, we have more interaction with the government
and in states like Illinois and Chicago than we do in Tennessee.
And Tennessee, I think we've seen maybe the police once in
five years. Yeah, they they don't bother us.
I mean they they don't come around or anything.
This makes me angry because again, you put so much
restrictions on sex. All these all these states put
so much restriction on sex. And yet I see more strip clubs
than I do bookstores, libraries, you know, medical facilities, if
you will, all those things. And it's like, yet they deem the
strip club as The Dirty, nasty place.
But we're just not going to touch it.
Just as long as it makes the state money and maybe makes the
mayor happy. Like, come on.
Come on. Now come on, like, something's
got to change. Something's got to change with
that that rhetoric over there, because it just, it confuses the
hell out of me. And yet over here in Lai, feel
like even the strip club culture has dwindled.
For me. I think the last time I went to
a strip club, it was maybe about two or three years right before
the pandemic. And I don't know if I just went
on an off night, but Jace, the dancers look bored, the patrons
looked bored. And I was really like, in my
head, I'm like, wow, like our, our strip clubs just really that
shitty now you. Know, I thought.
It was like the happening place to go.
It's a lot of people. Have, like I said, the business
model is broke and people have kind of they, they've just kind
of really a lot of people, a lot of the older, the old operators
are still stuck in this whole idea of we're going to open the
door and turn on the music and the people will call they're.
Not trying to like. Throw a party every night.
They're not trying to make sure everybody has fun.
They're not during events. And that's really what you have
to do in 2026. Try to come up with things that
are funny, come up with things to get people's interests, to
get people interested so they come out right, Come out with
the good value and good deals for them to come to the club now
would you say? Influencing I know everybody has
like their own gripes about, you know, influencers and what they
do. I see you eye rolling already.
So like, would you say influencers?
Would you ever see maybe a influx of sex influencing, if
you will, if they could, would you want the the influencers in
the club or do you think it would take away again that whole
privacy? Because I would.
I would feel it would. So we we've.
Actually started. We had a couple feature bookings
with feature performers who are influencers.
And they they drew. Huge crowd.
They drew bigger crowds than the biggest porn stars, really.
Yeah, there's a. 11 influencer charm days She's from she's from
San Diego Charm. I think I think her.
I think her. Instagram is what is it, Charm
Charm gets naked. I think is her.
We've had her. We've had her come out to
feature at several places. She always draws a huge crowd.
We had a Casey. Casteel, she's a She dances at a
small club in Florida. She came up to Chicago and she
was a big crowd. Wow.
We've we've. We've been working to merge that
world and. I'm it.
It, it works. I mean, I kind of look at it
like a brand partnership a lot of the time now when they're.
In the club they don't. Really live stream or anything
like that because of the privacy concern of me, right, Right.
And that's where I I, I would a lot of their Oh, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry. No, go ahead.
I was going. To say that's where I.
Would be wary is that that privacy concern?
But please go on. You know, and it seems like.
They they have big crowds and it seems like the celebrity of
2026. It seemed like the quickest way
if you want to if you want to write a hit song, the best way
to become a hit songwriter is to get it on TikTok or Instagram.
If you want to be ATV. Star become that make these
little skits online on Instagram and TikTok and then someone will
notice you and you'll be the next Addison Rae.
That's true. That's true and.
It seems it just seems like it. Seems like that's the way it's
going. So that's what we did with the
features because when we, when we book features, we, we were
like, what can we do for influencers?
And we started making influencers the features.
It's that's insane. But at the same time, when you
make that model, it makes sense. It definitely makes sense.
Influencers do put places on the map.
I will say I have like my. I have like a.
Gripe because I would say to myself, sometimes I don't like
to be considered an influencer because I don't feel like I
influence anything or like make people go.
It's just more of like, oh, I would be curious in in going
there, you know, down the line. But also I feel like there's
these like the hierarchy of influencers where it's like,
don't you know who I am and oh, I'm not going to do XYZ.
And that's where it also gets into that great area where you
have the only fan models don't, who don't want to be called porn
stars or adult content creators. And I'm sure there is the same
thing with, you know, like you said, these strip club
influencers where they are private dancers, if you will, or
the striptease. They do striptease, burlesque,
whatever, but they don't get fully naked.
So therefore they wouldn't say I'm a stripper.
I'm sure you've probably heard those debates and debacles all
the time. Yeah, I see it every.
Day on ads or Instagram where the OF models and the content
creators don't like the don't like the traditional adult porn
stars and vice versa because they both they don't like you,
they don't they don't want to be considered each other.
Now, would you say? There's also the same way with
the dancers who only want to be topless versus the fully nude
dancers. Are we seeing a change where
more women rather be topless dancers than fully nude
dressers? I mean dancers that and then.
We have a lot that and then also there's a, there's a, there's a
bunch of dancers these days that they don't want to be touched in
VIP at all. So really they want to sell VIP
dances, but they don't want any, any, any contact.
So let's get into that. VIP dancing as we know, and I
know that for some listeners listening, they're also probably
like, what is the real difference between a bikini bar
versus a nude bar versus a topless bar?
And why is it that I can get alcohol at wine, but I can't get
alcohol at another? So maybe let's let's kind of
break that down. So with.
Alcohol. It just depends what state
you're in and what level of nudity you can show.
Some states feel. Like alcohol and nudity or
alcohol and toplessness are a terrible combination or they'll
results in more crimes. So they regulate, but which is
kind of dumb. But that's, that's what it is.
I agree with with VIP dances. So there's when you go in the
strip club, there's floor dances and that's where basically you
pay, it's usually 10 bucks or 20 bucks and you sit in your chair.
And the dancer will basically. Grind on you for one song,
right? And then there's VIP.
Dances which? It's 15 minutes. 30 minutes, 60
minutes and you go into a private room.
It's just you and the dancer and she, she grinds on you.
For that amount of time, it's just you and her.
Or you can talk or play video games or video games tell you
about the weather. Wait a second.
Video games. That's another trend that's.
Going on these days, especially that the younger crowd, they
because they're socially awkward, they're willing to come
to the strip club and pay a hot girl to play video games with
them. I'm dead.
I think it comes from all. This Twitch, this Twitch and
streaming where they're conditioned to to interact with
the opposite sex on twitch. You know, all of these, all of
these hot girls are on Twitch and they're like, oh, why should
we play Grand Theft Auto? Or, and you can comment on it or
I think that the young, some of the younger guys are conditioned
to think that that's how you interact.
I mean good. For them as as far as like, you
know, maybe respecting women a little bit better.
Although again, the the whole Twitch community, I mean, this
is the rise of insell behavior where we have, you know, like
you said, men who do not know how to physically talk to women.
So I guess in a way, yeah, you could go into the VIP, you know,
without the switch. I'd rather have a guy without a
switch than to touch me inappropriately, if you will.
I mean if that would help him help me.
So so be. It.
Yeah, and we've. Noticed that.
I mean, so a lot of the a lot of some dancers too, a lot of the
some dancers they don't want to be touched at all in VIP.
So basically they don't want, they don't want, and not even
inappropriately, they just don't want to be touched at all.
Usually the rule in VIP is. You can touch, but you can't.
You can't touch inappropriately, or you know, you can't sexually
accost anybody, right? Right.
Well, you can. Touch their arm or.
Their leg or their butt or or you can get a handful of boobs
or whatever, right? Like.
But there's some. There's some.
Dancers that don't want any, any contact at all, which I respect.
I mean, hold your ground ladies, you know, and fellas, because
there is the rise of the, you know, female strip club like the
ladies clubs if you will, that is coming back through
resurgence of all the Chippendale esque models, if you
will. I I'm all for it.
It's like you have to respect the guidelines again, even in
the porn world, just because you're talking to these girls
digitally and paying money and going to their feature dancing
or going to the adult conventions, these girls do not
owe you more than what they are providing at the time.
They do and. I mean even.
In the qualities, we have features, I've seen guys, they
come in there and act totally inappropriate.
They think that. You know, so and so is a porn
star and she did all this on film and this is this is how she
is in real life. So I can talk to her, however,
because that's how she portrays herself in these movies.
Exactly. And it's.
Like, you know where they give her inappropriate thanks.
To sign. I.
Saw I. Saw a guy one time, he brought a
poster size. Of a girl of.
A dancer she had she had been in a movie and I guess he had
screenshotted the movie. And it was like a large.
Picture of her butt and her butt was wide open and he wanted her
to sign that Sir. Oh.
My God. Yeah, OK, yeah.
That would be in my eyes, just an absolute no, no, like there
are better pictures like I get it.
You love this girl. You might follow her like
they're yes, no, those I would I would automatically not even if
I were, I would be like, fuck that.
I'm not signing it like. I'm not fucking signing that.
Like there's no fucking way I'm selling my gate.
Like again, with own guidelines. If it was my gaping asshole, I'm
not signing that at a club. I'm just not.
I'm not doing it, not doing it at all.
Would you say even just like with this new younger
generation, as you said, you know, people are are coming in,
they're assuming one type of behavior and they're kind of hit
with that realism. Like, hey, these girls are
selling a fantasy. You still have to respect them
at the end of the day. Would you say moving forward,
you know, if there's young guys listening out there right now
and you know, they want to go to the strip club with their boys,
they want to get initiated, if you will, into that boys club,
What would you say moving forward, you just do not want to
see in the strip clubs anymore? Like is there a certain type of
behavior or that type of patron where you're like, I don't need
your fucking money. Just please get.
Just get out of here, you know? Be respectful.
Everybody be respectful of a dancers.
Don't. Don't grab them.
You know, if you're going to, if you're going.
To sit at No, no, you know that the amount of money you spend is
going to really depend on how much of a good time you have if
you want to sit at the stage on the front row.
You'd be prepared to put some. Money on the stage, you know, if
you go in instead of the very back, you know, and the shadow,
you can do that and have your have a water and no one's going
to really hassle you, right, right.
But if you're sitting at the. Tip rail on the stage, don't sit
there for two hours and not put any money on the stage.
Oh. Thank you.
You know, yeah. I think people do tend to.
Forget even when they go to these clubs, it's like, yeah, if
you're going to the front of the house spent, you're spending
money, you're not there to just be a spectator.
Like yes, there's the entertainment wall to wall
action going on. But yeah, I agree.
If you're going to sit in the front row, if you're going to
sit by the tip reel, you can't just give a dollar here and
there. You you can't do that.
And you know a lot. Of the time and sometimes
there's complaints that someone's like well this dancer
is mean and this dancer is mean and you're like why well.
They didn't talk to. Me or they wouldn't talk to me.
And I'm always like, well, did you?
Did you give them any money to sit with?
You? Did, Howard.
Oh, they sat with you for 20 minutes and you didn't buy them
a drink? You know, it's how much
attention they give you is going to be really hand in hand with
where if you're going to, if you're buying a drink, we're
going right if you're giving them a couple of dollars to sit
with you. I mean, and because the guys
that come to the clubs. And they, they, they.
Like a specific girl or they like a specific kind of dancer.
They, they know, they know, they know.
And so they're going to buy her a drink to sit with them.
You know they're not going to expect her.
To sit there for two hours and listen to you talk about your
boat for nothing, That's true. It is.
It's a power dynamic. It's a power exchange.
You spend, you pay the money for the service that you want.
Yeah. And I think we do.
Tend to forget that that again, they are doing a job for money,
the money that you are coming in with or supposed to have with.
You know you can't just come in asking for discounts.
I've heard so many girls where they're in the middle of a lap
dance and guys are asking the girls to give them discounts.
I'm like the fuck? What do you mean?
Discounts like I, I think one of my friends said a guy, I guess
it was like his birthday or he was being initiated into a frat
and he's like, yeah, you know, you know how it is being a
student. I'm sure you, you understand,
you're probably a student. Like do you offer student
discounts? And she's like, what?
What do you mean you're going to just flash your college ID and
I'm just going to give you a chance for $50.
That's not how this works. We might have college.
I think what it was like they said if you get in with your
college ID, you you know, you got his percentage off or you
got him for free. So he figured, oh, I could
probably flash this baby all night and get discounts within
the club. I'm like, no what?
Like what? I mean it.
It's it's just like anything else.
You can go, you can go to a baseball game and if you can pay
$10 and sit in general admission way at the very top of the
stadium, or you can pay a couple 100 bucks and sit on the front
row and be able to see the people when they come.
I mean, be right, be right in the middle of the game, the
strip. Club is no different you.
Know you can. You can.
You can pay 10 bucks and get a $0.50 hot dog and sit at the
very, very top. But if you want to have a better
time, you got to pay a little more and you can sit in the
better seats and eat a better meal.
Now let's. Talk also about those meals.
I mean, everybody tells me, you know a good strip club when you
see the the meal spread out. Is that true?
Sometimes, yeah. Most of them have good steaks.
Most of them have good buffets. You know the the ones down South
usually have good wings. Do you have?
Any of. Of like your top tier clubs that
you guys provide because again, you the pony, especially like
you said, like we've been saying, it is the chain.
So is there like one of the clubs that you own currently
where you're like, you just got to go for the wings, Fuck the
entertainment. Come for the wings.
Yeah, yeah, the wings are. Always graded to Admiral at the
Admiral let's. Talk about that now.
The Admiral Chicago has been going under some changes, right?
Yeah, we took that over about. A year and a half ago.
So what are you bringing? Different for folks in Chicago
now. Like what?
What should we expect from the Admiral now moving forward?
That you know the pony has sunk their teeth in, if they will.
We really upgraded the. Sound system and the light
system to try to give the guests a better experience for that.
We've definitely. Hanford We definitely have
hunkered down and, and hit the customer service so that people
people are greeted and have a good time.
And then we've just kind of done a steady stream of doing viral
events and events that get traction on social media and on
the news and always trying to find way to get attention.
What's been the best and? Viral moment so far for the
Admiral. Oh shoot, let me.
See. We had the Sydney Sweens.
Great jeans contest when all of that controversy was going on
last year. What we got in the middle?
Of that, yeah, We got in the middle of that where we had, we
had a. Contest for.
Whoever had the best, the best jeans and Farrah Abraham from
Teen Mom came and hosted it. It was a great, great night.
We we got in the middle. Of when Hooters When Hooters
declared bankruptcy last year, we made a big job offer for any
waitresses that lost their job to come work at Admiral and we
give them a $10,000 sign on bonus.
Wow. Wow.
Oh. My goodness.
You know, you remind me a little bit of my old boss from Vivid,
Steven Hirsch. You, you kind of have you have
the kind of model because he would do something similar.
Again, Vivid was viral for the moment, being like the hub of
celebrity sex tapes. And, you know, when there was
controversy, Hirsch would be all over it.
So the fact that you're offering bonuses, they would do that.
Like I'm trying to remember if it was the Lamar Odom, like the
first scandal with the Bunny Ranch or if it was also with
Farrah Abraham with Teen Mom. It's like he offered so much
beyond the sex tape where it was like any Teen Mom can get, you
know, a sign on deal or, you know, we'll, we'll throw in that
that $10,000 incentive just because of XYZ or because
somebody went unemployed. I I kind of like that you,
again, you're trying to mix in the mainstream with this
underground stream of sex work, if you will.
Yeah. I.
Like. It.
Money. We're always trying to.
Do things like that. I love it.
So would you say there's like the ones things again, we've
talked about, you know, with AI and everything, it goes without
saying you're not going to invest with the Admiral and
having these robotic strippers. Right, we're we're.
Not going to see stripper robots anytime soon.
No, we got they, got they. Need to do some more work on
that. I've seen some of those, but
still a little. There's still a little
Terminator like to me. Way too Terminator for me.
Way too Terminator. I love it.
So is there like, are we thinking like the pony can go
international anytime soon? Have there been discussions?
I hope so. I hope we can find.
Some stuff for sale, really. Because they're like a one place
where anytime there's. Anytime there's something for.
Sale, we're trying to. Find it or get involved.
In it before, before somebody else buys it.
I mean, it's a good time right now because a lot of a lot of
the people that don't have to own these clubs forever are
getting pushed to retirement age or they're tired of it.
So that's a good time for us to come in.
I love it. I kind of like this whole
business out that you have and I would only hope that, you know,
down the line we could see more of this.
I don't want to say like conglomeration, but definitely
just a Better Business model for, you know, the sex industry,
especially when it comes to you club experiences, real
experiences, because again, the adult industry is always growing
and evolving. But I think what you got here is
a solid model for, you know, perspectives out there to be
like, like, you know what, maybe we should protect our dancers a
little bit more and instead of just having these individually
owned clubs have like this protected market, if you will,
definitely. You know, have a have structure
and professionalism in a way that everything works together.
You know, we, we really invest a lot in the people that we have
running these clubs. They're really the backbone of
it all. And I think we probably.
Have more female general managers than any other company
just because they. They they do the job A.
Lot better, yes. Yes, you know, I'm, I'm all for
that. And I was going to ask you if,
you know, are we seeing a shift in women controlled businesses,
especially in strip clubs? I feel like, you know, for the
longest, I don't think I've ever really known of a female owned
and operated strip joint ever. Yeah, I, I don't.
Know of any of her own I know I know a couple that are ran by
women usually they've I think there's cheerleaders in in
Philadelphia the the lady that owns that her father passed away
and she runs it and. Then I believe there's a famous.
Club in Dallas, TX the lodge that I.
Think Dawn Reefus. Owns that she's great, but we
have so many great women and the pony that actually are out there
every night and the and the GM spot running the clubs and they
just they know they can relate to the dancers better.
They can they can execute better.
They just, they just are overall better a lot of most of the time
right as ladies. We'll be getting it done like we
don't we don't play about our money, don't play women about
their money. And especially when we are the
service providers, you got to respect the ladies.
Let the women handle the business.
I, I always say it, I think there should be more women out
there protecting women, especially in sex work.
We need to see some more boss females.
So I love that you are providing that and giving that
opportunity. And if I'm not mistaken, as
we're in wrapping, you guys are currently hiring at several
locations, correct? We are always looking for.
Great new people, they're doing this.
I mean, if you're out there and. You're you're a dancer now, a
former dancer, a bartender if you.
Let us know. We'll, we'll.
We'll find a spot for you, and you'll be.
You'll be a star I. Love it, I love it.
And you can visit the Pony Club and check out where all the Pony
clubs are located at ponyclubs.com.
They have a list. A list is long.
I'm over here like I definitely need to go next time I'm back
out in Kentucky. I definitely want to check out
some of those locations and especially in Chicago.
Now, Mike, where can people get in touch with you and find you
personally? They can hit me on.
Instagram or X? That I am Mr. Mike B or.
They can e-mail me, Mike. At ponyclubs.com.
All right, we're going to make sure.
People get ahold of you, Mike. I want to go to the club.
I'm going to hit you up and be like I, I need you to show me
anytime I want to come out. All right, y'all so you.
Know what you got to do is spend that money, but you also you pay
for what you want out of the experience.
So you know Mike, I got to say thank you for just sitting down
and giving me The Dirty on the pony.
I'm going to be looking out for you guys and of course you come
back sometime. Oh.
Hell yes. And of course, you guys can
follow me at Miz Radio Sapphire. That's MSRADIOSAPPHIRE, that's
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