Hello Two and a episode of kunotalk bei kunotalk this time
again with bastien who i alreadimate two years a go a
little bit long it in two years a go in France.
I think was two years a go because after the workshop a
your location. Cameron was it our i.
Yes ex i. Was to years a go, but many
things many things have happend. Yeah, i improve my english yes
because the last a podcast i've a translation translation.
Yeah. Yeah, and so we met Mord and to
years a go in France, then we met last year ingrease.
Yet for. Citroen risk you yes.
Sergeant Rescue Workshop with Petres.
Exactly and yeah, so this you you reached out to me and also
to you just stop buy makes I'm holidays with your go friend and
or wife and also do's. I'm do's, I'm training together
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And Things von Training so today is are second day of training
and talking and i that it would be fun to share some of all
conversation with the community. Yes, thank.
You for invite me again your podcast.
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Ja, so every one who is just listening to this.
There is a video version on spotify, but also on youtube and
the benefit on youtube is that you will also have.
Posibility of subtitles if i figure out how to make it
happening. Is think so so, but technology
goes so fuck so i think a ja what can.
Be the even so with some create is the even try out is not only
subtitle, but the with AI translate what they say so i so
some videos from Mr Beast. That are direct to translate to
german ok, so he's a agacy's american ok and so dees or some
some test phases we've some creates what the honestly
sunalator we will just record something in french or in
german, and then you can what sheed in you and Chinese right
so. What i think a actually the
language translation in Google. Youtube is not egol because when
i see translation from english to french, it's really pretty
well, but when i see your translation on instagram, oh
youtube german to french, it's make no sense.
I. Don't know it's a need to work
more in german speaking, or? Yeah, probably i have no clear
in sometimes it also really. Depends on the device you use or
the software that you use i think so as it's the same with
like mean while i almost do not text or alright a text message,
i just diktated and like for whatsapp that works.
Pretty well I think Spotify try to dictate for Instagram or
something Nels. It would so many mistakes it
that's so weard so. You am maybe just Instagram
application not have an of and the standing of german it.
You no, I don't think so i think it's the quality of processing
what the device is recording and then.
Transcripting it so but never mind Let's get back to the dog
so what has happened in the past two years.
How is your business going it was happening and France you did
so you're not only doing detection, you're also having
this assistance, dog and service dog program that your menschen
so i also you let me know that you will working with some
agency. It's a military to in a byte
work. I think I don't know.
Yeah, lot of different things because i just i'd i to you to
us a good like to learn more new things and I'm like a little bit
autist. So when i start to have interest
for one topic, i can it's that the moning evening i just.
Do everything to go upins is a news key or bla bla, so actually
i so now i look a lot about byting because in france we have
a some reputation about we've a frenchring with a all.
Mana to teach the don and yeah, it is guy.
I have lot of experience for sure ok, but some time is i
don't willy and the stand how is a basic songs of learning I'm
think like this and it's not easy to tolk to get that because
we don't have the same communication.
And yes, but the the Ring friends sports start to change i
thinking friends because a the trainer the young generation
Wong to have more well fair training and bla bla bla, so the
arrecive lot of presure from government and.
Like what's. Because think like this have
have and in austria and mean well it go that for that
protection work is for bin here and we have that we can change
it. It lies for a company like ours,
but what's what's the current situation like or e color spand
or pinch color spand or r day a lot to us r day just a lot for
specific groups. To use so now in friends, we can
not share no lage. For example, if you are dog
trainer, i can not teach you how to use ecolo or pinch colo bed.
You can also petona you can buy it ok and use it on your dog
without no lage. But maybe it's just first step
for them. I don't know because it's a
pretty resent so a maybe free mounts or something free mounts
a goes they what is new low ok so i don't know if they will go
to the not a step off to that but yes do's and makes and is
you can user ecorder without no lage.
And you but we i think ringsport and bla bla bla.
We will a change how we start and tree to dog and train to
dog, but how i don't know because I'm just beginner and.
In the buy to and just beginner, i try to to learn mo and.
We i are you starting it? What do you think like why i?
I start it because i said i like to learn mo but all so few your
go. I always you have and terrest in
this. Sport and practice but i never
opportunity to learn from guy. I like you know so now because
we have more e learning because II speak better english and
understand better English i can technology from usa from
different part of the one. And it's make me is your to to
learn so it's for it's for that if i was a opportunity you no
past to to learn we have someone i connector anderstand the
english i think are hall sorry my English i will did it before.
I was did it. I did it before.
You did it, ja. So, yes and just for you years a
go, i just be upsess detection and tricking and of cours i
don't know every think about the textion and tricking, but now i
know the also new stimulation and but we're give me new.
Stimulation we're. How for example you because you,
you train a lot of stuff or so and see lot of different think
like last a like a direction like detection like tracking
like like tragora how do you consign you to to beast simulate
and dog Training is it is it training dog or is it training
humans or is it? I don't know.
Yeah, so it's that's a good question.
I think i just have this in a drive to to train dogs even do
in the last few month and years i it feel slike it god less, i
don't think i train less dogs, but it do it feel like i do less
maybe because most of it is what we.
Do regulary and like what people knowers for doing the
foundations building poppies and Young Dogs doing detection doing
sergeant Rescue, but I'm very very interested also in in other
a projess of things that i do so i look out to for people like
Jens Frank and Cameron Ford Michael Ellis How day.
Teach and train and do things at we are doing is well or Hans
Evers from Germany and so reasonly i participated in this
decoy Training camp in Germany at Bully can i and so also there
are great trainers that i look up to like beyon wunder and and
his team we i am we i just dive into the bite work topic.
That unfortunately right now is forbin in austria and and makes
no sensital, but the cool thing is just to here and there find a
field of dogwork that you're new to so like people see us in
specific fields. Maybe detection maybe ovedians.
Like to see us as experts or what have you when a call it and
i get both of as are pretty good and in do's things detection and
beedians, but when it comes to something like bite work like i
there is so many things to learn for me and i think i understand
many things but like it's not not that i will have a thought
of different of myself so iphone it's very interesting.
To see an understand how to build a dog from zero to
deployment level how to work and problems what to take a care of
what to consider and think about in training like there, what if
hold interesting and bite work is to make more thoughts of
different drives, so the fray drive, but also.
The topic of aggression how can i make the dog feel good so what
i when i trigger this dog to been and defensive aggression
because that dog is a typ of defensive aggressive Dog, then
you country rewarding in this mansal state with prey because
he does not one to. Play with something he want to
get rid of something and right so and and we don't have this
topic in detection so i think that's just very interesting for
me and i can learn so what and that's what drives me i want to
learn more also in detection and obidians and trekking and soion
rescue there is so many more things to learn on the stand,
but that. It's is refreshing to to save.
And what i like in in that i Kind of what we what you see
because i feel when i see as a disipin it's like my my mapping
to understand dog and training dog and bla bla grow you know i
have a better anderstanding to the dog how he.
Act and and think maybe maybe, but for example when i stop to
to training for detection and re disziplin with nose i open and
you do and i know when i world with my dog in a forest.
I don't see my dog as before because i see liter reaction
we've nose all something like this.
And i think we've every disziplin we can have to a maybe
open and judo and have a bera might marpin you're you're on
the stand. What I'm like I'm sure and
that's definitiv so, so I'd totally understand that you're
looking out for new topics to to workin so.
And also it's little bit, maybe be topic or but i think we can
we can apoed some thing in this and just tree to maybe it.
Inspirity soon to the. Phasering bring it there, yeah.
But we have all so experience with dog and also Disziplin so
we can not made we revolute that just a.
Ja, know was you mean. Yeah, brink a new.
Fresh. Wind Yeah you mine you.
Definity ja, i think so and that's was also interesting in
some of the conversations with. With polican 9 or chris, chris
is doing like did byte work so manears and he did it in sports.
He did it for the police and like he could take a lot from
what we did in detection and obedience and directionals etc.
To think of newways and improve he's byte work trading
definitiv. And like you and me and all
those people that we talked about like we i thing what we
allshare is a natural curiosity we want to learn new things we
want to see new things well we filter where we one to watch and
learn from for sure but. Yeah.
Because of course, we have a basic, no lage like foundation,
no late about what is the solk how he learn so when i talk with
someone new about to bite what he's a teacher about bite what
if he tell me something with no sense a toll about Foundation
Training i I'm Liter bit careful.
You know so it's make me is you to think I've find a right guide
to teach me how to to do ja by Training ja.
So How far have you God? In byte work do you performance
your dog or do you train as a decoy like what i you doing in
byte? Work i would like to info my
decoy a movement and you because i think it's.
It's import on to to if you want to train a dog in a bitwork to
one you do lot of stuff for that.
Ja, definitiv. So i want to to and the sensat
and all so i really like to fill dog.
And that's what i think he's so important actually like II would
wish for a wish of mine is that. In Austria, it's are easy to
bekommen a dog Trainer like I can you don't live and have to
proof any and is fears now you're just hey I'm but you're
just register you're you're business and then you can all
was a same in france is to they're formation so they're
good. And Bad stories about it, but in
end like what i really hope for so all Trainers never regarding
what day will do so maybe day will do just agility, maybe day
do just detection and maybe day do just pet dogs or Problem Dogs
etc. But i could learn a lot from.
Bing exposed to white work like being in a suite or wearing
justice, leave and bing in the situation of in a view seconds.
This dog will Byte me with full force and you just feel the
power you feel what the dog is Cape of love and you also know
that. Your actions will have a.
Effect. On the dog, so but i like in
bothways to the power of the dog and like the the helplesness
that you would have if such a dog at really raged and and the
other hand the posibilities that you have to to perform and to
guide this dogs for in exs is we're.
If you know mind blowing, but II could learn a lot from this and
i think like two many trainers talk about stop that they really
have never been expose to never experience to i should.
I think everyone should be in the open to that like how is
your experience of being bit in the first time.
It's what's some here's a go, but if i remember i think i will
be like ini bate you know just no mova tolan.
Be. Confidant we is the the hundler
what? You you did it the ready like
you have a ready bin bit in. Sorry, my be, i don't on this on
you was. You have already been bit and
you like you have to see it on and the dog by it.
See you you. You as me for the first time i
experiment that what is my feeling II feel just like You
Know II practice Booking so when i have stress when i have some
stress. I have the capasici to just a
yeah. I don't not just they we say it
for in. France Yeah, Frozen Yeah.
Cold, cold and just process my my thinking process my feeling
so i do nothing he we but me and i see oh oh my god what's
Happen. And just biggi, stay confident
with the handler because also when i when i did it for the
first time, i think he tag at my like and maybe i make a mistak
at don't for me and bow also the dog make a mistak, but after the
second and sie seven me the dog in the seven time.
He target my my dick so he justes say out and don't
reactory the pretty well so, so it was good better yeah, it's i
think i don't feel so much a frey I'm think for the first
time it's when you stop to be heard after two tree for five
time. Now you can we've by the
experience you can't start to have some.
I'm just feeling because so last time so a dogger.
I don't know but it's your hand all just you're feel pay and so
it's but the fast I'm you're just beginner you don't know
what you will Feelen I don't think the fast I'm it's a Art.
Like in boxing, we said go to the ring for for fight for the
first time. It's ok if you have a courage,
we said courage and if you have a courage if you go not a time
because now you already no what is a fight and but you go again
so i think it it was like this when i start with.
Toggle so by thing what about you it was in Sweet an we will
yans all no no. It was like the first time i go
been did was years a go. Maybe twelve years a go in Tirol
where i wants happen to to be on in igb in.
Austria yes ok to do. Ja, at twelve years a good so
these restrictions with protection of sports.
To place this here, so and back them.
I was Pretty fright and axely i like i didnt not no II
participated insertion rescue and i just had no clue what what
was happening so they just put me this leaf they put me in this
little tent and the dog was a coming for a bark and and hold
or a gard and bark at on what is call in english and you and i
should. That the dog byte and it was a
pritis strong in madinua i remember so i was novis at least
for sure and it and the ears later i have the chance was to
strange was christ of we we prepared some dogs for a spezial
forces actually in byte work, and this here we we learned that
or we heard. From the unit that the dog, it's
an police Special Forces, the Dog hat it's first real life
bites and did quite well, so we're very have be about that
and this is dog is in news and they're in confree but like and
then was chris i will heaches to talk me quite well what to do
and i think that's the very important thing if you get bit
in the first your times to have a handler and trainer.
We're really confident and who have dogs that really work.
And not try to. Not do experiments and the
firsts you times and think is like like he was when you
learning to right a horse, you will get like we say as cool
horse a horse that night be twenty years old and nose
exactly what to do and sometimes i like to take my dog to teach.
Green handlers because the dog like they don't have to worry
what what to teach a dog they just handle the dog and i think
the sengy sengy. Uns forers we've a green dog
with a experiment dekoy it's a. Green dekoy with an mc iran's
dog and that makes a lot of sense so definit you that makes
a lot of sense and you might have a dog that but.
There is like almost no risk to something bad would happen and
like it can in by the work it can get painful quide fast, and
if you don't have a dog that does not out like this feel
seconds feel like minutes so but that's a cool thing and like
like i even. It's like understanding dogs
even in the betaway if you know and feel what they can do and
how day react, so i'll really hope that everyone every dog
trainer should make. You SI this one time experience
is sure IA grey we that and sometimes i have a dog trainer.
Spezialist on you know reabilitation or reducation
problem behavious and they search for workshop about just
topic and i every time on so your you know maybe unit to
start to just go to workshop about everything every disziplin
like bitework detection. Maybe agility maybeer like a
with a how call it in english you know with sheep and herding
herding sheep sheep is as border call it ja herding herding
herding Dogs so if you have a yeah, also i say my mapping of
how the Dog what the dog like how he react the genetic und so
blablabla. Maybe you can help bera when the
dog have problem behavios ja, ja.
And like also understanding problem behavio like we're
that's it com from is is the dog really fright and of everything
or is the dog. Just in secure and unsure how
and like for me is was mind blowing to learn you will never
beable to reward a dog with with cable or a toy when this dog is
in a defensive aggressive of mind like the only thing that
will reward to dogs behaviories if you build distance to de
stressor with might be to decoy and.
So iphone yeah of court it sound so simple and sound so easy but
have do's people who train problematic dogs have a made
does thors like how should they make does thors if they never
face the training like this and yeah so also i think in would be
smart in would be smart like if you want to.
Make a dog stop biting people or the dogs it would also make
sense to know how to train a dog to bite people.
It least maybe not other dogs to bite people to understand ok,
this is the way how we train dogs to bite people and be
confid and it in it now we might have a confident or an in
confident dog that bite people on one ted so how could we turn
this around ja ja, ja like like in.
You have a dog that is barking and you don't want to dog to
bark. You have trained dogs to barkin
protection or insertion rescue, so you know how to make it
happen, so it my bee Sir understand how it's the best way
to make it stop. Ja, ja, exakt, exakt, totaler A
beezot ja so, so i do is. II try to learn more about that
maybe i will i some Workshop we will II aganizing September we
will macin from. Ah ja, Machin von Polen.
And yes. Have you meting for?
Not yet. Petros and Jens Funk.
Yes, we come me so we will see and.
Maybe in I'm a like i met heam in Sweden, but just like hello
hello cross yeah, just talk to little bit.
Maybe and as a one genery for the must maybe in april on me,
we have AUSA guys, it's god canine mike on Instagram.
It's a cross Woods. And just tray, what's the guys
name. Mike Mike nesafu nespaf yes, so
he work a lot we've Carlos ramirance yes i follow something
we've him on he have a online Kurs I've.
So they do a lot of deployment stuff or or working dog stuff,
but they also do's dog sports and i think what's they do is
psa so what're you interested and so probably french ring or
have you thot of i'm a be belgion ring or is it can pv
mondooring psa like what are you interest?
To be on this, i. I don't freally like Sport
ingeneral also competition and follow the rule and bla.
I prefer to train dog for Real woman application, so I'm also
interest how you can start with good foundation like grip
development or DK, dk a movement and bla bla bla and movement
intel how we can bite on just human.
Like passive you man without i sleeve on by to to because i
think it's are than we think some times to move to yeah, no
sweet a toll and i know he he work on that a lot so i be.
Have you don have you don't muscle work?
Yes II know I don't do it. Yes i know but i think it's
differance because it's influence we have when you're
police you you can not just sendog to bite so if so one one
to fight with you, we've out ne for gan you can just send a dog
for punch we've mother but. I don't know be i don't have in
of no lage it, but i think it's liter bit different when you
just teach a dog to punch and tombak and punch agan we've
mezal and try to really, but we've mezal you know because for
exampel in France when i train for punch we've mezal.
I never her is a dogs try to buy to try we will we of mouth and i
think it's import on part to her is a dog really try to get it.
You know what you ok so i never train this aspekt i just train
for penching a little bit and here.
But i think it's it's a part of the process.
Yeah and i like i have i don't heven there to talk about it
because i have so a little knowledge, but we do a lot of
master work in the deco workshop ok, and we was a lot of fun
heaving the dogs like. We we used a like this motocross
protection gear ok yes yes protection on the chess and on
the back and on your arms and you put on a jack it and you
look a little bit like more, but not i less yeah and its it's
good to have to stuff because depending on the muscle like
it's a muscle like this or it's a leather muscle with a steel
component. It tens to her the penning on
how far they get you from or how off in the handler that's them
push you, but i ja as i don't there to to dive in this topic
because i have two little know it's about it, but and if you
have the chance ons to work with some on like boli k nine like
they also actually they only do it for an agencies.
And authorities and that's what a come von there all still
active police, police man and handlers and trainers so they
don't off this training to sivilians and a business.
I was send it to you we have maybe you can at least have a
chat. About some things that's they
they can and one to share, but also there i think it's it's
very important and that's one of the the hard part so like in in
detection and many out of topics of the dog training i feel quide
safe and i think that i can like i am stand other trainers who
we're doing a great job, but i just don't the green some things
and i have my way of training and then i no other trainers.
Who i think are just doing nonsens right, but it's hard
like when you go into a new topic like bite work.
How do you no that the the trainer that you're now
following or like how do you know diskies are this?
One of what's you what's? The what's the fucking word.
Like they're capable I've. And the Stone what?
Compident. It's difficult part, but i think
II do this. I just remember I'd i save the
Foundation it's a guide, no the foundation or notator, but some
time you have experience guys we've out to.
Who can expering foundation word?
We're you know what for exampel he do that no about a positive
informment it's he just it and he just it in a goodway for
exampel but for me is i look if he have a basic foundation no
lage and after that how. He explain a why he do is on why
he not do is and also if he talk a lot about user, trainer or
just for christ on what he do you because when so one talk
about to user every time i he's not good, i he's not.
Good. For me, I Show me what you do.
And so you're definitly and this of cause and i think for show we
you will take some but things because we have always
limitation. Also Trainer you me also you man
we have limitation so my be you can you you will in the Start,
bring in you Training all so some limitation from this guy
but. You need to start and after some
years you maybe change or live it to take and on and it's for
that. I thank it's really important to
not have a god of trainer for detection i just one to to hear
florian a topya so come on no. Maybe to be just have a good
think to share maybell flow and have a good think to share maybe
cameron and bla bla, and if you have a.
And that's so important there. I think that's so important to
go to different trainers and and collect different aspex like
there is there will never be like i didn t.
Take everything from my mentors and trainers, but i to call lot
of it and and and then you get you're on handwriting right and
then you experience on you by yourself a maybe dismate sands
to do it slide the different he we're and as we set and the
we're beginning just to to stay open for for new things and and.
Sometimers we think a detection is detection all bytor kiss
bytor, but no. If you have you have you on go
and you have you on on, we're on montan and i don't know you have
you on dog you have you on limitation you have bla bla bla
so that can change a lot how you will train, so do we because you
don't have the them go you don't have the them.
Expectation you, you can not reach the think think maybe i
don't know you have a not anno physical conditioning for me,
it's not a problem to i don't know make a simple movement
liketake.com mov awaytake.com mov away, but maybe some monels
it's lot of pain for him so he need or fine not away to move a
come yeah to tage by. So it's i think we can not make
every think in the same way you need just to and the some the
concept and after zat try to to using what you need if you
search for explosive it, not searching for what a treat, we
don't have the same go and the sam so.
We going to be flexibilision i think.
That's notly so that was a lot about protection work and like
how to they curis how to learn as a trainer have so how to
remain a learner as a trainer and i think that we should never
quit. That's talk about the post two
days. Now that you're here in austria
so i think yes to they ready. We have some great conversations
and then i introdused to you the detectional training system, so
what i you falls about this device i think.
It's it's a really good tool for or conditioning because as you
show me and told me. We can do many many repetition
in of you time and we no it's good for generalisation some
andustanding of order and yes and we's out all so handler and
france and and mover we've a glow or hand the target and
brother lusso. I think it's really good tool.
Just for sure it's it's a machine, so we we've good
technologies, so it's cost a little bit and i think we need
to understand or so it's we need to check it's it's wora fit.
For my application as we said, is it was it from i application
my money, my number of doga i train every years and bla bla
bla if yes perfekt by is matching, but it's not was it
when you think about you money home and it dook you trend bla
bla bla it's not the right tool for you now my be not.
Tomorrow but the now we be it's better to steve is line of caro,
so we like we still work a lot and our line ups we still a work
a lot of the central and and even that is to expensive for
some people so you really have to think of of your budget, but
and it also works, but i think the futuries in in some.
Like ai, kind of tools and in the way there is a little ai in
the machine because of the random eyes at least probably
there will be even more ai in the future and and more and more
things that we could measure like like how off in did the
dogs nift on till here indicated and remained in the hole.
For example, so may be that's interesting or.
Or the dogs body temperatur is changing like in destiration of
working them, i think i could be many things at it to the
holthing. II think i is hear i so like how
we call it in English. You know like this we have for
nexus or bracelet, yeah bracelet and like for you man when you go
to ran jogging you have a pilse yeah.
Everything likes is you can a watch like a watch?
Yeah, so yes i think for study or for just no the capability of
your dog can yeah can be great. You user yeah definity yeah, but
back to the machine, so I'm sure did in Future.
We might be able to. Have similar devices for last
money, but i get it's like in the very beginning with many
things to like when it's new and it he's and dead is deblished
you're still like in the like we see in the children shoes of
development things r expensive so i get like backed and.
All was no one had a computer at home.
Now everyone has a computer with them all the time or a
Smartphone etc. So I think Times will change
also there in detection and i or and this particular way in
detection, but think do's things will also hellbust in again,
understanding how a dog is working because until dan, we is
a trainer. We have to train the dog like we
have to watch ok is the dog does did it's melonder exact correct
box is the dog no indicating what have and before indication
did the licked did it did they scratch it did they bark now
there indicating how could i reward should i reward should i
reward on announced announced sure i recall the dog should i
don't all the dog and now of the machine we can do so many set
ups like reward the dog after 2 seconds.
Use Food or use Ball twenty Prozent of the Time.
There's no a word blablabla so, so many things can be preset and
now we're watching a dog basically teaching, it's self
toing it's i's all that's very interesting to to see.
Yeah, exakt we've I've i don't when i twent that's just today
for me, the. No interesting part is what you
say now is to see how my dog start to process to solves is
troubers and fine away to have access to food and yes, so i
think it's good skill for detection because the dogney to
solved sominy troubers we's outlook at to me every time and.
So yes, yes, thank good machine, but i just say we need to to
know if is used for for me of for you now because some times
we we look for example you have beginner in detection and you
you see someone in instagram you see oh.
He have this machine. Oh my beef for the textion i
need to have this machine, but i think in reality we can do many
things we're out to my expansive atlice for started yes is.
Definitiv definitiv. That's also what what the end so
we're set like don't buy anifancy Equipment.
It's you can start. We is like like the gravel
ground here a little don't this is a perfect flat brickful to
work with and what you need some equipment, but for shore you can
you can start very cheap and do a lot of training and and that's
also important to build your own skills right exakt to build
skills and the. Like when iwatch videos of the
first sent wheels that i work with witch was luch and the end.
It was a barrel and old oil barrel and i had 3 sticks that i
pudd on it and i had like at least i had metal boxes that i
tape donit with duck tape and this was my sent wheel so.
You're you're can getaway very cheap and and it my devan have
to benefit for the dog to like every time at looks lightly
different, but also you're self, you're you have to bekommen very
creative on ok, what they're real need for this kind of
training how can i build it and how does it make sense for my
dog like again like we are talking about line ups and send
weals and machines and bite work they have.
Different manchets they have difference suits they have
difference leaves there a bigger, there a smaller, there a
soft there a like undercover or hidden sleaves so they make the
same thoughts about there training as we do in detection
or in for example for guide dogs in for blind people they need to
make so many thoughts of how could i bill the setup in
training. To make it use for exakt and and
this is we're you get we're creative and i think that's a
very important thing for a trainer to to innovate thing the
maybe we find out that it's robish and it's usless.
Yeah, exakt we you to imagine and for for usistol asistol bed
also how i can't to dog. To do what i want to do yeah, so
when you are block you are you need to yeah becreate you for
fine solution and yeah, so yeah of course also china, it's it's,
it's it is part of, i love the most of in dog Training, i say
it is part, i love the most because.
It's you have stimulation you know so to be onnest i don't
know i will continue to stay with dog ok, i don't train a dog
i really like train dog but dog just for petting.
You know what you mean. I don't think i will continue.
It's they i like i of the same feeling about it like there is.
I ready a preshid dogs and i like to have dogs around, but
also because i spendaled of time with them im training and it's
like haveing a friend that you work with and you spendaled of
time building stuff like you create things and that's for i
like to spend time with them and that's for i like to talk about
them or talk with them and that's the same with my dog like
i like to have my dog with me on the couch.
Because we get a great training today, but like II think of
wonderful life. We've outdocks you're right, no
her clean, clean House and and you're two move to you're move
and you and you can see will sure II don't by a Boss i by
caprio Limousine what I've you know so.
You want to meet in, I don't know in do buy it's jump on the
plane and flyer so many downside having dogs total agreend it so
what are you a future plans with the company?
We're my company. Yes, i want to.
To build AE, learning more and more, we i want to build e
learning more and. What do you think like nowadays
or things corona? The e learning things have
developed a lot. What do you think is important,
what do you offer that is you need to the market or what do
you think people will by your? Courses and not others.
Good. Question what's you're you nek
selling proposition her? Good question next all.
I think first of all. I bring a knowledge from orsa
contry like Germany, you USA and bla bla.
Bla Austria. Austria and you can not find it
in friends i know. If you don't comed to my
business because i don't no someone alls in friends do what
i do and i think they have this have a lot of a wait.
You. Know because no i is also we
said tools it something but. Knowlege is bada, i if you want
to train on a gravel and you have imagination and knowlege
you can do lot of things and so yes firstable for that, you have
access to knowlege in french from different contry and i
think my hi i can hi bild my. My he learning is really isy to
follow is just step by step. I I'm not alone to do step by
step of course, but i just topic as i see in friends who no one
talk. Like you assistant dogge, I
don't find lot of things about the e learning for assistant
dogge specialy in France. I don't know for deutschland of
but in France for show I don't know if some one else do this.
Christing. So I think.
It was the same for cunotic and and.
Bevor cunotic my Auto company htx like the wasen really any
one. I new of who like did so many
things with ds over you dii and invited them for workshops and
and follow there system or there away and style.
I don't like to call it there a system or there a method day
don't like it need it because like it's just an approach and
the different way of like on maybe autos to it and future
that's a very very powerful thing.
So yeah, i get that's that's a smart move so you will offer
online progression plans or webinars.
What is it that you do is it like is it a guide it training
or is it do it yourself training like this is the content follow
d steps and do you're best we will can people get in touch
with you and you will get Feedback.
We have three posibility. One is to follow alone plan of
progression you have access to video example and also some ride
gee dance and blablabla, so we have this option.
So oder Option is to follow web beener with me or with you, for
example and another guy from from.
You know the business and i translate because i think jetzt
we're inflance we're really but to speak english.
I improve my English but i know to improve again and as you you
know to you as a go II talk it just let.
It so i it's a big improvement as i reallice that one a moment
ingrease i'll really down your english was perficy find.
So, Yes II want to get access for french people to knowlege
because he have this upsticle with language it.
So, so, jetzt we have oh autonomy Plan Progression you
can follow in autonomy away you have webinar in french with me
or we've substital we've some one alls like you.
And we have the sell adoption is a coaching so we can have a
video call. Oh, we can also i follow you for
one months, for example you you truth a topic and i give you
some question and all so some recommandation and you have a
access to group and you share your video and i comment.
And give you feedback if it's ok just move on to the next step if
it if you need to improve little bit, I'm give you some feedback
so yes we have this third option I've I'm Chili.
You will still off for inperson Training, you will still off
Workshops. II Think I will.
Make less and less private coaching, but more and more a
group coaching and a workshop and i would like but i don't
have an off opportunity get to just train dogan sell them II
really one to to do this, but II did it in pass i could.
I continue we've assistant dog because i have good contract and
the as a people are in a good mindset bla bla, but i stripper
or so some malinour for detection purpus for airport and
bla bla and i have a bad experance with this airport
because i'm not for he. He care about to dog and i this
i to stop it and no if i do it again.
I will have some really ja disquision with the future owner
to the sure he will trade the dog in the good we're.
Bla bla bla. So, Yes, i can't continue for
money, but. I don't want and i train dog of
porsche of some weeks. Some months i get stop to love
it and i don't want. Anderstand you know and that's
all was a hard thing like when you're train dogs and give them
away like you had them for a ful month and you keep them like
your private dogs in the end, your never really no what will
happen you can have a good feeling and and.
You just don't know what's happening you can have a bad
feeling and it might be perfect for a lover, so that's a hard
thing and that's like with every dog to i cell it doesn t cat
easia for at least for myself. And do you do something like he
follow course with you before take dog?
Or when you sell a dog, you just sell or you stays, I'm there's
to explained how you train the dog and how no.
So basically that we also them, but we're just prepar the dog
on. And what they und and then what
i do is like i mix sentim video clips and i do like manual video
manual. This is how we detection this is
the ovidians that we did i do date tell me what cuse i should
use or i just use my cuse and telling what i use to for and
then they test a dog like the have.
In the end extry day have one day to test the dog and then
deside is or know. We takes it last time i spend 3
days in the country so and with them because we also did so
mother training so day to check the dog for 3 days that was an
extra that happend, but so we don't stay and he longor in
regular and and like there. No Beginners dey know how the
work Dogs in all the Train Dogs. Ok, ok, its make it you.
Can and it's it's a was an authority or an agency buying
these dogs. Yes, sometimes if so Guy don't
know how you train the dog you just lose the kill, so yes.
And for me and so. Why do i preparedogs in sell
them actually just because it makes me a better trainer and
the better handline to the better dog person so because i
think we every dog is different is lightly different, sometimes
extremed a different and like with all the labradors that we
had in the post for years, we all was had to same goals and we
all was want it to a chief the same level of skinl set.
Quality, but we was have different sorts of material and
so this is so interesting for me and again, denn you my devon
have more understanding for people who have differentance of
dogs with different and problems, so the normal handler
might have 3 to four dogs and his career when his darts early
we have maybe 3 to four to 5 different dogs to year.
Right and so, this is a whole different story of like and
we're still young, but i've frame so many different dogs
that i have cap for several months that most other trainers
want even have that many dogs in all the life.
Exakt. And it's why all so i want to to
sell dog, not just for selling but to take experience so this
dog. Because as you say, you can have
10 mal in or 10 labrador, but every labrador have little bit
difference and you need as you say to be creative.
Oh this is dog reaclike is this, oh you can see as is doggle
learn really fast is skelen is doggle it's it's take me more
time to to i shit the same go. Ja, wie gesagt.
Definitiv. So is there something like what
was your last or your latest a home moment.
Moment, what is it? Like like when you or faceing a
situation, we're it's not it's could be that easy or oh this is
hideworks. I'm not so to understand.
As ask Chat GP t Let's ask Chat GP t.
So Doering, so Training. Yeah Problem, doing did no maybe
maybe by when you were reading a book, i ask chat you do you me a
second wie übersetzt du aha, moment ins französische
Fragezeichen no interested. No.
Cloud yeah, i just don't there to pronounced but this is.
Decklig what on the decklig hm wow, gut question.
A Moment decklig UA Moment the Revelation.
Yes, wie gesagt. Wow, good question.
I think made maybe the first think II think now is maybe
about using positive punishment because i was we will Jens Frank
in the Workshop and someone aski in Frank do you.
What what do you sing about i colo and he ons wea.
I think it's a good tool, but it's a aloud.
Not a loud. Not a loud in sweed them so i
don't used and me. I think all my god i he do he i
he say that. He must be a bad person.
Yeah, it's it's just no be a criminal.
It's not etical to use it's so i he do this because he so smart
and he say that so i start to process and open a little bit my
mine and yeah after some onest searching i andest and bare.
I think about using positive panishment.
And ja, equal all something else and how to pill i need not use
we've emotional way or something is it and just just be onest
we've we've the way of learning and and the life because
sometimes positive punition happen.
We've out you you don't want, but it's happen.
It's like this you. I don't know is a don't here and
i not problem myself and he take shock we willy, i don't know
it's can be everything but so yes my the click i thank it's so
last the click is when i. Start to learn more about ecolor
and positive penishment and yeah so set.
That's a good one. That's a good one and again this
like i we can talk about this for a many more allers, but
we're geting we're geting to end no.
So as you know the risk disquestion that we ask from all
a previews guest and I'll ready send it to you before so you
could translated so the question is like how do you deal with
someone that you talk to who is not having the same opinion as
you do, but like you wanna stay polite you one to stay and touch
with disperson of course. How do you deal with
disagreement? It's the bund of the topic is
i'm what's. The French way as.
A French thants. No, no, no.
French way for a. French Style I've dealing with
disagreat I've. Emotional state but I think i
will a remember. I like one sentance is say in
French it, fake news, fake news in French, it's in brench it the
construction boni depp so the opposit of the good id can be
also a good id and i like it is sentance because sometimes.
We fight for id like no my id's better no my id, but my be your
id's really good and my id also and we think it's opposit, but
it's also we said my be we have a different go or different
experience different dog and bla bla bla so i trait to remember
that and also i trait to remember we have a like map in
you in you for can expering. How you passive passive, passive
the Reality. For yeah, yeah, how you how you.
Nealize at person of the reality is like a map persuation for for
example, if i give you map of Paris, we've it's a satellit
map, my example is it's true, yes, maybe.
If i give you a not a map, we've to paris but not satellit map.
That's you know, we've a how we that transport a water, i don't
have word canalisation ja canalisation it's all so true,
but they when you look it, it's really different ja ok it and
this is. Not reality and this is not
reality because paris is more. I'm just is picture, it's true,
it's paris Satellit picture and it's paris map of a water
internationalisation. The boss is true, but it's not
paris, it's. A boss is true, but you're
you're looking for different topics or you've different
questions and or different backgrounds.
And also you're perception of the paris is this map, but the
reality of paris is mors on your perception.
So as we said, we have a perception of dog how to train
dog bla bla bla, but if tomorrow i start by twerk or if tomorrow
i start to detection or agility or what it's my perception start
to change as i said panish positive panismen or no ecola or
no and no my perception change it reality doesn change it was
already like. II don't know if you can.
And the. So just to on for the question,
i try to remember my perception of the reality is not the
reality and you's perception also so i we not fight for my
perception because my perception is just.
A little map of the paris of the perciton of the reality, so
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we are boss true and yeah
yeah if you have this mindside i think if the guys to fight you
let him fight alone and that's stop easy because hi for
fighting unit to be to. But if you start to to one to
fight to you're me for no my id is bera bera and you're fight to
alone. That's stop the pretty fast and
you know, so it's my advised. I don't know it's question of v
of the commerce and. II.
It's it's AI know. I think of something fun in out,
it's it's. I see it's a quite fame for it.
Maybe it's not fame is maybe it's just in the in my bubble of
social media that there was a verifunny real of a guy talking
in german, i can't get it all was takes two for have an
argument or haveing a fight with he judder and also in a
relationship, it's always two who cause the problem.
It's your girlfriend and her stupid best friend.
We're supporting Italy that no. So like, so it's.
What's your question for man ex guest?
You don't know it's a guest. No, i have i have several plant
for so it's are, but i don't know will be first.
As the schenk. Ah Yes, do you think the dog
need the job to be happy to be wellfare we don't know if it's
right to say like this, but yes do you know for is apple street
dog and be just happy to be free.
So do need to be with human and have a job to be happy happy.
It's good one, it's good one great.
Here, so my friend we will spenden not a day tomorrow, so
yes today and today we had some. Texture Dog Trading we went to
the jim this morning, which was all so very fun and.
You're break, my call and my legbands yes, it was good.
No now I've going. To for that.
Was and that bad and tomorrow will continue with some room
searches with some single plans and you will see your dogs
performance and it talk how what we'll what we can develop and in
proof so i'm looking for it to this.
Thanks for taking the time and really enjoy that one is there
anything that you one to announce to the community?
Yeah, thank you for the new podcast and the diskussion and
if you one to come on the online learning on my website, you can
we have plan webinar with Florian.
About Problem Solving in Detection, we will start a first
Oktober. The first oktober, a seven pm,
but i think Monday Monday twenty 6 august you can regist.
So Yes and we will have the friends of Titel, so yeah
English Speaker and friends speaker well a com and i will
say that all so in friends speakers for friends people we
know to have some translation, so donk.
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my wife she want to see how we call it to the new.
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