1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,520 So the puppy stayed there until 9 weeks old. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,880 And when we arrived there, I was like, where where am I? 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,760 I mean, what's happening? Because it was just a guy living 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,040 in a trailer, you know, with a little backyard there. 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,360 And there was this like little fence on on, just on the bricks. 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,840 And the puppies were there. Two puppies, two puppies were 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,160 left. And no toys. 8 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,720 Nothing. Just totally, totally nothing. 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,980 And he said, like, really, you know, openly, like I haven't 10 00:00:28,980 --> 00:00:31,420 done anything with these pups. I haven't even played with them. 11 00:00:31,500 --> 00:00:33,620 I I didn't take them and were nothing. 12 00:00:34,300 --> 00:00:36,860 I was like, OK, that's. Crazy. 13 00:00:37,180 --> 00:00:41,540 But you know, I looked at this puppy and I couldn't really say 14 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:44,820 anything bad about it. It was really, you know, happy 15 00:00:44,820 --> 00:00:48,300 to see us, very social. We took out and he was, you 16 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:50,540 know, exploring the environment. Everything was fine. 17 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:55,980 And he told me one thing that since he hasn't done anything 18 00:00:55,980 --> 00:00:58,020 with these pups, it's what I see. 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,760 It's pure genetics. And you know, on one hand it's 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,080 like it made me think that there is something in that, you know, 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,200 because if if you see a puppy like that, very open headed and 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,880 every carriages and very like social and and so on. 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,040 But this is, as you say, like what would it be if the 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,640 socialization phase was made correctly before? 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:29,630 It would be fantastic right now. So, and I and I, I would bear to 26 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:32,830 disagree that it's not pure genetics because the puppies 27 00:01:32,830 --> 00:01:37,310 already 9 weeks old. So he has learned and and he 28 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:40,350 maybe he hasn't learned a lot of negative things because he 29 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:43,870 wasn't exposed to a lot of stressors. 30 00:01:44,470 --> 00:01:47,430 You know, there was the sister of the puppy that two puppies 31 00:01:47,430 --> 00:01:48,350 were left. Yeah. 32 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:51,150 And the sister was, when we approached this fence with these 33 00:01:51,150 --> 00:01:54,270 pups, the male that I have, he was, you know, who was jumping 34 00:01:54,270 --> 00:01:57,760 up like, oh hello, hello, you know, happy to see you and 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,480 everything. And the the sister, on the other 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,200 hand, she was like backing up and you know, the tail under 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:08,039 her, she was quite, you know, not happy see us quite scared. 38 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,440 I was like just hoping that this this puppy that was jumping that 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,360 this is the male. Otherwise I wouldn't take it. 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,440 But still, I was like, you know, so many years doing this, like 41 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,400 teaching people and how you should, how. 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,320 To approach and everything. And then you go, yeah, I swear 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,080 to to a guy living in a trailer and picking up a pup, you know, 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,000 I was like, may I see the female, the mother of the pups? 45 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,880 And he was like, ah, no, no, no. She's been sold already. 46 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,040 Oh, wow. And then I just, you know, I 47 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,760 looked at Eric and I was like, this is all on you. 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,280 You know, I just trust. You. 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:48,640 Oh, wow. Yeah. 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,800 Now it's such an interesting topic, so for sure we will. 51 00:02:54,620 --> 00:02:58,740 Have some more chance to talk about that, but I already 52 00:02:58,740 --> 00:03:02,540 started the recording, so we can use that as well. 53 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:22,860 Let's put up the light, Sure. Welcome everyone to another 54 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:26,820 episode of. Kuno Talk by Kuno Tech and today 55 00:03:26,820 --> 00:03:31,300 I have the pleasure talking to I would say a good friend, even 56 00:03:31,300 --> 00:03:33,700 though we haven't met many times. 57 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:40,140 But yeah, she's a great person. I noticed her the first time, I 58 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:45,380 think years ago when something was set up called the Freeze 59 00:03:45,380 --> 00:03:50,340 Conference, which unfortunately in the end never took place due 60 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:55,280 to Corona etc. But we were in touch and also 61 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:01,160 connected or also networked throughout the SWDI. 62 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,400 And then we got invited to Poland to some search and rescue 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:11,000 training and some vodka tastings and many more. 64 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,960 Fun stuff. Yeah, and since then we are in 65 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,600 touch. We even share for two of our 66 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 dogs the same breeder in the Netherlands. 67 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:26,550 And I'm really curious to talk with her a little bit more about 68 00:04:26,550 --> 00:04:30,710 herself because there are some really interesting parts in her 69 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:35,830 bio that yeah, are are kind of outstanding, I think. 70 00:04:36,270 --> 00:04:46,270 And hi, Yagna, Yagna Gill and. I I I didn't know to what to 71 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:49,310 connect you with because when when I took a look on your 72 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:54,520 Facebook profile it was like. Tattoo, European working cannon, 73 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,400 tall working cannon from that Ilma Freeze conference in the 74 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,200 past blah blah. So there there are many many 75 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,920 companies, projects, organizations that you're in. 76 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,760 And once again hello good morning, thanks for taking the 77 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:16,800 time and please put some light into the fog of of of me 78 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,840 describing your person. Maybe you can do that better 79 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,930 than me. Well, hello, Flo. 80 00:05:22,370 --> 00:05:25,090 Most importantly, thank you so much for inviting me. 81 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:29,450 I I must say that I was so surprised that you invited me 82 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:34,210 because I, you know, I always think about myself like I I'm 83 00:05:34,450 --> 00:05:38,570 just like, you know, you have spoken to so many big names and 84 00:05:38,570 --> 00:05:42,730 so many great trainers and great personalities and like, you 85 00:05:42,730 --> 00:05:45,250 know, big people in this dog industry. 86 00:05:45,450 --> 00:05:48,290 I would never like think about myself like that. 87 00:05:48,290 --> 00:05:52,300 So I was really surprised. A good way of course that you 88 00:05:52,300 --> 00:05:55,620 invited me, which is, which is really nice and I appreciate 89 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:57,940 that. So thank you so much about that 90 00:05:58,180 --> 00:06:00,180 you thought about. Me. 91 00:06:00,180 --> 00:06:04,180 You're you're on my lists for for many months already, so Oh 92 00:06:04,180 --> 00:06:06,060 my. God was just a matter of time. 93 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:10,340 Yeah. So I'm stressing a little bit, 94 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:14,020 but yeah, hopefully, hopefully, maybe I will say something 95 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:15,180 interesting. I'll try for. 96 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:18,580 Sure, for sure. As long as the puppy allows us 97 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:23,940 to, I will do my best. So answering your question well 98 00:06:24,220 --> 00:06:27,180 yes, I we haven't really met a lot of times. 99 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:30,700 I think we met only once like in person. 100 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:35,300 But I have also known you for a long time through like 101 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:39,300 networking. I I was you going to the day 102 00:06:39,820 --> 00:06:43,060 taking similar courses. So I think that our path is 103 00:06:43,060 --> 00:06:48,100 somehow similar on how we, you know dig in into this, into this 104 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:52,570 dog training thing, which is really nice because I don't 105 00:06:52,570 --> 00:06:57,170 really know a lot of people who would have a similar like 106 00:06:57,170 --> 00:07:03,130 education path and way to to to train dogs and so on. 107 00:07:04,490 --> 00:07:10,130 So answering your question will yes, I have a few projects going 108 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:12,690 on. My first project is Fundata 109 00:07:12,730 --> 00:07:17,570 IRMA. This is the NGO organization I 110 00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:22,470 set up in 2012. I think it's been over 10 years 111 00:07:22,470 --> 00:07:24,790 right now. And this is a search and rescue 112 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:27,070 organization. Well originally it has been 113 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:30,510 purely dedicated for search and rescue dogs, okay. 114 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:34,750 So the I need to go back a little bit in time. 115 00:07:35,030 --> 00:07:39,830 Sure, sure. So my background in training the 116 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:43,950 dogs in working with dogs in doing that is search and rescue. 117 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:50,420 So this is basically the first area that I have ever get in and 118 00:07:50,420 --> 00:07:54,820 this is how my you know my adventure with dogs started. 119 00:07:55,580 --> 00:07:59,900 So back when I had my first dog it was a Malinois which 120 00:07:59,940 --> 00:08:02,620 unfortunately it didn't make it to search and rescue but that 121 00:08:02,620 --> 00:08:07,820 was because before that I was looking into Munduring but the 122 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,220 puppy it was strictly selected for the biting purposes. 123 00:08:11,980 --> 00:08:14,180 But then I got interested into search and rescue. 124 00:08:14,180 --> 00:08:18,380 So yeah, the dog didn't really wasn't suitable for that. 125 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:22,580 But this is the story. And yeah, so I went into the 126 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:26,500 search and rescue. I got the first dogs and then I 127 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:31,860 established the organization just to you know to to fund to 128 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:36,820 do the fundraising to get money to support different actions. 129 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:42,710 Poland, the search and rescue is divided into like two ways. 130 00:08:42,710 --> 00:08:46,550 So you have the professional search and rescue which is in 131 00:08:46,590 --> 00:08:51,550 the National Fire brigade. So the National Fire brigade is 132 00:08:52,110 --> 00:08:57,270 the one which is responsible when the people well actually 133 00:08:57,270 --> 00:08:59,830 when people get lost in the forest this is the police that 134 00:08:59,830 --> 00:09:02,790 is responsible. But yes, the fire brigade is the 135 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:07,590 one that has docks, the search so often they are asked to go 136 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:11,570 and help in. Finding people and when we have 137 00:09:11,570 --> 00:09:15,970 the disasters like you know, catastrophes and different 138 00:09:15,970 --> 00:09:19,450 disasters, this is also the National Fire brigade which is 139 00:09:19,690 --> 00:09:23,050 responsible to to use the dogs there and they have the dogs and 140 00:09:23,050 --> 00:09:26,210 they're being paid for that. But also we have a lot of 141 00:09:26,530 --> 00:09:31,930 volunteer organizations, so people who are basically 142 00:09:31,930 --> 00:09:36,850 spending their own time and they're willing to support these 143 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:40,680 actions both in the area field and both in the rubbles. 144 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:44,720 So I wanted to have such an organization so that we could 145 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,560 support these actions and that was the reason why the EMA 146 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:52,840 Foundation was set up. But you know, the time went by, 147 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:00,600 my education went by also and at the time I started to take 148 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,080 interest in also other fields, not only search and rescue. 149 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:10,290 So this is actually when I first got into Sweden and started to 150 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:13,210 look at some detection and different kinds of some 151 00:10:13,210 --> 00:10:16,570 detection and then I thought that it would be wise to spread 152 00:10:16,570 --> 00:10:19,130 a little bit the specialties of the organization. 153 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:23,850 So right now the the foundation is to support working dogs in 154 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:27,530 general. So all kinds of working dogs, we 155 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:32,640 do support that. And our last I think quite big 156 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,720 project that we've been doing that is still going on is the 157 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,200 support of working dogs in Ukraine that we did together 158 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,040 with Paul Bunker and Katianstra Katserafina. 159 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:49,440 Yeah, we were in in July, the first time we were we went to 160 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Ukraine and now we are scheduled to go there in November. 161 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,600 And this is also done via that foundation. 162 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,400 So this is what the foundation does, but this is NGO, so we 163 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,130 have no profit out of that. This is just, you know, 164 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:08,170 supporting case and funding, but I also have to do something you 165 00:11:08,170 --> 00:11:11,810 know, to to. Make a living exactly. 166 00:11:11,810 --> 00:11:16,450 So I set up a company for working docs, TWD group. 167 00:11:16,970 --> 00:11:20,250 And this is the company that is doing basically the same stuff 168 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:24,690 but for money. So we train docs, we do 169 00:11:24,690 --> 00:11:28,050 different kind of courses, provide different kind of 170 00:11:28,050 --> 00:11:33,930 organization with the main thought and goal to train 171 00:11:33,930 --> 00:11:38,090 working ducks. So basically for the uniformed 172 00:11:38,090 --> 00:11:41,010 services but also for the civilians. 173 00:11:41,410 --> 00:11:45,530 This is also quite complicated, maybe not complicated, but not 174 00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:49,850 so easy here in Poland, but I think we will get that later in 175 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:53,690 the conversation. So yes, these are my like 2 main 176 00:11:55,090 --> 00:11:59,690 tasks that I'm doing, The foundation supporting, and also 177 00:11:59,690 --> 00:12:04,030 the company which is providing education, training dogs, 178 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:07,390 selling dogs and yeah, living out of that. 179 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:10,590 Great. And also you have this creative 180 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:13,470 part in your life between tattoos. 181 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:20,230 Yes, I'm also doing the tattoos and, but this is my extra job 182 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:25,670 and the reason why I went into that is that, you know when the 183 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:31,970 COVID stroke and the lockdown came and we all got stuck in our 184 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:34,770 houses. Since I live on my own only with 185 00:12:34,770 --> 00:12:40,050 my dogs, I just figure out that at one point I was just 186 00:12:40,410 --> 00:12:44,850 overwhelmed with the dogs. Everything was about the dogs 187 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:48,130 that I was doing. So people that I was talking to, 188 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:53,360 it was always about the dogs. My, you know, business was only 189 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,800 about the dogs. I was surrounded only about the 190 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,640 dogs. And there, you know, it came a 191 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,600 time when I started to feel a little bit overwhelmed by that 192 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:08,840 and I thought that how to say that that I'm being burned out 193 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:09,640 a. Little bit. 194 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,280 So I thought that it's not good and it would be good to have 195 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,640 something else that would give you, you know, like a fresh air 196 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,630 and a possibility to meet other people, to speak about something 197 00:13:22,630 --> 00:13:25,870 else. So I thought about taking a 198 00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:31,310 course in the tattoo, and I did. The people that I work with 199 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:34,270 right now were, are actually the people who gave me the 200 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:37,190 education, the tattoos. So they let me stay with them in 201 00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:41,390 the studio, which I'm really thankful for their amazing guys. 202 00:13:41,830 --> 00:13:45,150 And, you know, it was funny because the first times when I 203 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:50,550 went there, I was so I was feeling so weird because it was 204 00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:53,930 like, wow, you know, there's a world outside. 205 00:13:56,010 --> 00:13:57,530 There. It's outside of the candle. 206 00:13:58,130 --> 00:14:00,650 I mean, you know, people are speaking about other things, 207 00:14:00,650 --> 00:14:03,410 about politics and about like random. 208 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:05,690 They are not really interested in the talks. 209 00:14:05,730 --> 00:14:09,090 So I was like very surprised actually. 210 00:14:10,130 --> 00:14:14,730 And this is something that gives me this like break and let him 211 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:19,500 give this like balance, you know, mental hygiene between the 212 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:24,260 dogs and all these also disadvantages that come with it 213 00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:29,820 and just having this other part of the social life. 214 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:34,340 So yeah, I really enjoyed it. That's really cool. 215 00:14:34,620 --> 00:14:40,940 Have you studied biology or veterinary, or how did you get 216 00:14:40,940 --> 00:14:43,340 into the dog thing or what have you been doing before that? 217 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:47,100 Yeah, I've been doing many things. 218 00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:51,390 So I did study. I studied architecture. 219 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:55,790 I studied it in England many, many years ago. 220 00:14:55,790 --> 00:14:58,990 Well, I started it in England, but then I moved to Poland, back 221 00:14:58,990 --> 00:15:02,310 to Poland, and I continued it in Poland in Falls 9 and the 222 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:06,190 polytechnics. But because of different 223 00:15:06,190 --> 00:15:11,670 circumstances, I had to take a break and I never get back. 224 00:15:11,670 --> 00:15:16,470 So I never, I never graduated from the architecture and the 225 00:15:16,470 --> 00:15:21,050 dogs, actually, you know, I come from a house where we always, 226 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:25,490 always had a lot of dogs. My mom is a person, she's a dog 227 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:29,250 lover and we had like different breeds, a lot of dogs, a lot of 228 00:15:29,250 --> 00:15:31,010 different animals, not only dogs. 229 00:15:31,770 --> 00:15:38,370 And when I moved out to to to go and study, I just thought that 230 00:15:38,490 --> 00:15:41,290 it would be nice to have a dog to have to keep you company. 231 00:15:41,850 --> 00:15:44,890 And I bought my first dog and it was a rod, rod Finder. 232 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:49,560 And now because we had rod finders back then and it came 233 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,320 quite naturally because since I got this puppy, I thought it 234 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,040 would be good to do something with it. 235 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,960 So I, you know, I went to different basic courses like 236 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,920 puppy kindergartens and stuff like that. 237 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,200 I met different people, people who were engaged in sports, in 238 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,400 IPO like then I GP I think now loading. 239 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,640 So it came quite naturally. I just started doing different 240 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,930 stuff with my dog and at one point I met people from the 241 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:26,170 search and rescue like group. And yeah, I was just watching 242 00:16:26,170 --> 00:16:29,930 what they're doing and they, I had the Malinois back then and 243 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:33,490 they thought that this Malinois is really nice and maybe I could 244 00:16:34,050 --> 00:16:38,130 try and you know, educated him in that direction. 245 00:16:38,410 --> 00:16:42,810 And this is how it started. So I started doing that and I 246 00:16:42,810 --> 00:16:47,470 gradually, you know, got sucked in and since it didn't work out 247 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:51,750 with the with the university, I just at one point figure out 248 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:53,350 that, you know, I like doing that. 249 00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:55,950 I really enjoy working with dogs. 250 00:16:55,950 --> 00:17:00,990 It gave me, it still gives me a lot of satisfaction and I just 251 00:17:01,350 --> 00:17:04,630 continued. So at one point I just gave up 252 00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:08,750 on on pushing the architecture. It was also, you know, the 253 00:17:08,750 --> 00:17:13,670 architecture thing. It was that, you know, I'm kind 254 00:17:13,670 --> 00:17:20,690 of a person that if I, if I have to do something and put myself 255 00:17:20,690 --> 00:17:24,690 into that like 100%, it really has to be my passion. 256 00:17:24,849 --> 00:17:26,770 I really have to be interested in that. 257 00:17:27,170 --> 00:17:31,330 And I thought at one point with the architecture that, you know, 258 00:17:31,450 --> 00:17:36,410 I don't really see myself working from 9:00 to 5:00 in a 259 00:17:36,490 --> 00:17:40,170 office, in an office, putting, you know, toilets into the 260 00:17:40,290 --> 00:17:44,170 AutoCAD program and working for someone else's project. 261 00:17:44,890 --> 00:17:48,490 But on the other hand, I also didn't feel this architecture so 262 00:17:48,490 --> 00:17:52,290 much that I could put myself like fooling into that. 263 00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:56,290 Because if you want to make a career as an architect, you 264 00:17:56,290 --> 00:18:00,250 really have to, you know, give all of yourself into that. 265 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:02,410 You need to take part in competitions. 266 00:18:02,410 --> 00:18:05,890 You need to be, you know, interested in that and and just 267 00:18:06,090 --> 00:18:09,290 it has to be your passion. Otherwise you will be just left 268 00:18:09,290 --> 00:18:13,770 as a worker working for on projects and putting these 269 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:15,730 toilets into out the cat how we say. 270 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:19,370 And I never wanted like my future to look like that. 271 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:22,810 So I thought that it doesn't really make sense for me to 272 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:27,810 continue because I will never ever make a career as a big 273 00:18:27,850 --> 00:18:30,450 night in car architecture because it just wasn't my thing. 274 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:36,050 So I wasn't really feeling bad about skipping it and I went to 275 00:18:36,050 --> 00:18:40,740 docs and this is how it started my parents were not very happy 276 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:44,660 about. That interesting, Yeah. 277 00:18:46,620 --> 00:18:49,860 There there are some similarities to to what I did. 278 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:56,260 I did graphic designs and communication design and 279 00:18:56,260 --> 00:19:00,020 graphic, Yeah, and I also didn't finish. 280 00:19:01,740 --> 00:19:05,940 I started with dogs then OK Were the reasons similar to mine? 281 00:19:06,940 --> 00:19:11,060 No, I don't. I don't think so actually I I 282 00:19:11,060 --> 00:19:18,340 really liked doing that I I just had some development issues like 283 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:22,060 then I was on the peak of my poverty. 284 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:28,460 So I was know as as as males we we get there when we're a little 285 00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:32,740 bit older and maybe probably we never get out that was around 20 286 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:38,140 and then I. It's not about me today. 287 00:19:38,140 --> 00:19:40,620 But then I I quit school actually. 288 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:48,180 And so this was not university. It was a prolonged school 289 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:53,620 education for having the normal school degree plus the the fully 290 00:19:53,620 --> 00:19:59,060 job education and and then I started as a paramedic at Red 291 00:19:59,060 --> 00:20:02,900 Cross and then I start with with those but listen to. 292 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:08,460 Your podcast. I don't remember with whom it 293 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:10,700 was, but I can check it out. I have it opened actually. 294 00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:18,820 Okay, that was the Just wait a second, Nick Banger. 295 00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:22,740 Yeah, I've listened to that when I was in Bosnia a couple of 296 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:25,660 weeks ago. Yeah, I'm quite familiar with 297 00:20:25,660 --> 00:20:28,660 your background. Good. 298 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:33,180 Nick is also a great guy, so I really appreciated him to reach 299 00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:36,600 out to me. Back then so but now back to you 300 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,080 so that's what you did before the dogs. 301 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,880 Then you started out with dogs, wanted to do some wonder ring 302 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,720 then started with search and rescue etc. 303 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:53,800 And many years later I suggest or I I I I guess I noticed you 304 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,200 because of the freeze conference. 305 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,720 So how did that start? And and I think also come again, 306 00:21:01,450 --> 00:21:03,850 I mean, how did that happen? But it never happened. 307 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:11,690 Yes, unfortunately Priest conference, yes, so many years 308 00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:17,450 later when I, you know a couple of years ago, I think that was 309 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:23,530 2017, I got the opportunity to cooperate to work with the 310 00:21:23,530 --> 00:21:29,530 Special Forces in Poland which really opened my ways to many 311 00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:32,730 different names and many different people and it really 312 00:21:32,890 --> 00:21:36,770 like gave me a lot of opportunities and. 313 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:40,730 That was military special forces, military Polish special 314 00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:46,410 forces, grom and they took a course with the as the day back 315 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:48,530 then. And I was involved in that. 316 00:21:48,570 --> 00:21:52,410 I was organizing it. So that's how I, you know, met 317 00:21:52,450 --> 00:21:57,850 all these guys. And I also met the former 318 00:21:59,710 --> 00:22:03,430 commander of the Canine division in the Special Forces in Gromme. 319 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:08,630 And I got friends with him. And you know, at one point we 320 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:12,790 started thinking that it would be nice that to to come up with 321 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:16,470 some kind of a conference, like a big event to gather different 322 00:22:16,910 --> 00:22:20,190 people from all around the world, like big names and you 323 00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:24,470 know, big specialists and since Puval, that's his name, that's 324 00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:29,130 his nickname, did these kinds of conferences before. 325 00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:33,170 But just about this, like special forces, not only in the 326 00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:37,810 doc like direction, we thought that it would be good to come up 327 00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:45,130 together and try to organize it. So we managed to find a group of 328 00:22:45,130 --> 00:22:49,730 people to make it together because it's really hard to find 329 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:54,480 such a big event on your own. And since Paul is a yeah, he 330 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,960 was, he is very experienced in this kind of actions. 331 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,920 He agreed to help. So that's how it we came with 332 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,800 this idea and I mean the project was very promising. 333 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,720 We really had a lot of names or invited. 334 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,480 We had all the like the schedule and the timetable, the topics, 335 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,240 everything was ready, but then we had to postpone it once 336 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,600 because it turned out that the we were like too short in time 337 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,080 to to make it happen so. We postpone so for for the 338 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,400 people who can't remember or didn't didn't know about it and 339 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,680 you can compare it with the the the hits conference for example 340 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,280 in in the US and you had people like of course Jens Frank, 341 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,200 Tobias Gustafson but also Pat Nolan I think yet, yet did you 342 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,630 have Nathan Hall. As well lowering the. 343 00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:54,750 Graph exactly so many big names, also some of them that you can 344 00:23:54,750 --> 00:24:00,670 find now in the podcast, but I was like really eager to go 345 00:24:00,670 --> 00:24:02,710 there and back then I was still living in Tior. 346 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:09,550 But still, of course, where did you want to to to make it 347 00:24:09,550 --> 00:24:13,150 happen? It's a very hotel, very closely, 348 00:24:13,150 --> 00:24:17,860 exactly, yeah. That so and and still it would 349 00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:21,100 have been closer of course to to my place than than going to the 350 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,660 US. So I think many people really 351 00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:28,140 hope to to have it happen. So the first the first date was 352 00:24:28,140 --> 00:24:32,980 supposed to happen in December, but we thought that, you know, 353 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:38,140 first of all it was. But it was December 1818, Yes No 354 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:44,440 19. 1919, yes, because sure it's likely the COVID strong exactly, 355 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,440 yes. So we thought that first of all 356 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,800 we had two short time notice and we were we were not ready with 357 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,640 that. But then we thought that it 358 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,040 would be nicer to make it happen in spring, nicer weather. 359 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,760 So also for the people that come to Poland they could combine it 360 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,960 with like vacation and just a better season to do that. 361 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,180 So we postponed it to May and we were fully ready. 362 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:15,340 So everything was ready. We had all the people signed up, 363 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:17,940 so we had the minimum of the participants to make that 364 00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:20,540 happen. We were already looking for the 365 00:25:20,580 --> 00:25:22,780 flight tickets to buy for the speakers. 366 00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:28,060 But then the COVID stroke in March and we were in the 367 00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:31,900 beginnings, no one really knew how it will develop. 368 00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:35,470 So we didn't know. Like this is just, you know, for 369 00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:37,350 a week, for two weeks, maybe month. 370 00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:39,790 In April everything will be back to normal. 371 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:45,110 So we aren't really waiting to to cancel that because there was 372 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:48,510 just a big question mark like what will happen in May. 373 00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:53,550 So we were waiting like for a month to to decide what to do. 374 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:56,390 But then you know it was the middle of April, something like 375 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:58,030 that. And we thought that Nah we just 376 00:25:58,030 --> 00:26:01,470 have to cancel it because it was there was like no sense in 377 00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:06,380 postponing that since we we did was going to are we going to 378 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,780 survive or are we going to you know all die. 379 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:12,460 So we just we just post we just cancelled that. 380 00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:18,460 And you know other thing was that the people who were engaged 381 00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:22,380 in that project and I mean the guys who were, I'm sorry about 382 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:26,980 him, never mind the guys who were helping out with the 383 00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:31,860 website and with all these technical like side of the 384 00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:36,610 event, they were not dog people. They were just like engineers, 385 00:26:36,610 --> 00:26:41,410 informatics or who were friends of of ours, but they were not 386 00:26:41,410 --> 00:26:46,010 interested in that at all. So they also felt that like we 387 00:26:46,210 --> 00:26:49,050 we don't really want to do that anymore, you know because it 388 00:26:49,050 --> 00:26:51,970 costs us a lot of time, it costs us a lot of effort. 389 00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:57,130 It's like it's not happening for the second time in a row. 390 00:26:57,690 --> 00:27:01,890 So we thought that like, it doesn't really, There was no 391 00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:06,790 desire from the whole group to make it happen in the future. 392 00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:11,630 So this is how the project just died unfortunately, because if 393 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:15,990 not for the COVID, I'm sure it would be an amazing event. 394 00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:21,670 Definitely, yeah. But I mean, now the idea is so 395 00:27:21,870 --> 00:27:23,510 slow. Maybe you? 396 00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:28,510 Can we thought about that? We thought about it many times 397 00:27:29,030 --> 00:27:33,310 to try to. Organize something comparable. 398 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:39,550 But as we all know, it's it's such a big effort to make things 399 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:43,270 like this happen, to plan it and to invite the people to organize 400 00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:47,670 everything, find the location that's affordable and then you 401 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:51,190 have to think about, you know, everything like translators, 402 00:27:51,550 --> 00:27:53,590 people who will have the transport. 403 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:59,550 It's a it's a really big, you know, project and to do that on 404 00:27:59,550 --> 00:28:03,270 your own, it's impossible. Yeah. 405 00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:07,510 And you have to start to plan so early and you don't know what's 406 00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:09,590 going to happen. And then, you know you are 407 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:14,030 receiving the money that you should be able to cover all the 408 00:28:14,030 --> 00:28:16,030 costs with. But you can't really spend it 409 00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:18,390 because you can't predict the future. 410 00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:21,230 So you don't want to be left at the point that you bought all 411 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:23,470 the tickets, you bought everything, You spend the money 412 00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:26,470 that you received, and then you have to give the money back, You 413 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:30,900 know, Yeah, I have anymore. So it's also risky and. 414 00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:38,780 The very risky I I was having in the first weekend of Corona, it 415 00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:43,860 would have been the first. So I'm sorry, Siri is talking to 416 00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:47,740 me. The first weekend of Corona 417 00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:51,580 would have been virtual with Tobias Gustafson at my place, 418 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:54,700 and it would have been three days and. 419 00:28:56,260 --> 00:29:02,060 There was I think 35 people signed in from the UK to Greece. 420 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:05,900 All would have come and have already started to travel to 421 00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:09,900 Tiolins book and and then it didn't happen. 422 00:29:09,980 --> 00:29:13,420 I mean this is a very small amount of people but I was 423 00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:19,060 really organizing everything myself and it was I I it was 424 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:21,500 frightening. I I didn't know what to do 425 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:24,540 because the the the airplane tickets were booked. 426 00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:28,820 And the the boss of the hotel called me and said every 427 00:29:28,820 --> 00:29:36,220 everyone is signing off and and of course he would have had 30 428 00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:40,500 guests plus of course after a few weeks we realized that this 429 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:44,180 was a global issue and he wasn't angry anymore. 430 00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:49,060 But that was a big thing for. Yeah, yeah. 431 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:55,410 It was really stressful. I had this also finds quite 432 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:59,250 stressful situation in. I think I was back in May, I was 433 00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:03,050 planning the search and rescue workshops with my colleagues 434 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:07,010 from Sweden. I do that like twice a year. 435 00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:10,530 I try to do that twice a year here in Poland and we were set 436 00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:14,450 up for June and I had you know, people signed up and everything 437 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:17,770 and I even bought the plane tickets so everything was ready. 438 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:23,090 But then there was an accident because Doc of one of the girl 439 00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:26,230 of a friend of mine from Sweden had an accident and it broke 440 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:29,150 itself. And they couldn't come. 441 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:31,510 They just couldn't come because it was quite serious. 442 00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:35,630 So they really had to, you know, have a lot of surgeries, and the 443 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:38,310 dog couldn't be left alone. And so they just couldn't come. 444 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:41,430 And I was like, I mean, you know, what's going to happen 445 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:43,990 now? Are the people going to 446 00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:49,990 understand that and be able to move the date to for the fall 447 00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:54,300 the same year or they quit and they will like you know want to 448 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,660 get the money back. But I have already paid for 449 00:30:56,660 --> 00:31:01,100 everything so I I don't like this kind of situations because 450 00:31:01,660 --> 00:31:04,660 yeah, it's risky. You can be left like you know 451 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:08,900 also having to pay for that even though it's your fault. 452 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:14,860 And also one more thing about the freeze is that you know 453 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:19,540 since Pouval you had a lot of experience before doing this 454 00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:22,380 kind of conferences. But also I have spoken to quite 455 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:26,700 many people about who who did the such kind of events. 456 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:34,980 The thought was not a very nice thought but I think a real one 457 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:39,140 is that you know with this kind of events you it really, as we 458 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:43,100 said it requires a lot of effort a lot of energy a lot of 459 00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:47,640 planning and just it takes a lot of your life actually but the 460 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:55,120 result of that So what you take out of that is not really how to 461 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,520 say that you don't really get much out of that in the end 462 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,040 organizer and but I'm speaking about the experiences of the 463 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,760 people who have held such events is that the amount of effort and 464 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920 the amount of planning and everything that you put to make 465 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,570 it happen it's not really worth to what you are you know getting 466 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:23,010 back I mean the whole networking and meeting all these things to 467 00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:27,770 that it's it's like you know priceless but it doesn't really 468 00:32:27,890 --> 00:32:31,730 lead to anything further. So it doesn't. 469 00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:36,810 It's just, you know, a big like meeting of nice people. 470 00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:39,890 But there's nothing after that that. 471 00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:45,770 So you are not really like how to say that you are not really 472 00:32:47,010 --> 00:32:50,090 getting any business opportunities after that. 473 00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:53,130 You don't really develop your career after that. 474 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:55,690 You don't get any projects after that. 475 00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:59,730 It's just that you organize a nice event, you have this couple 476 00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:02,730 of days meeting, you of course do networking, but that's it. 477 00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:06,410 And the question was like with every people that I talked about 478 00:33:06,410 --> 00:33:12,080 that is it worth it? I mean the the thought of these 479 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,760 people was always, yeah, just let someone else make it happen. 480 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,680 I would just go and be a participant and get everything 481 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,760 out of that the same as organizer does, but let the 482 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:29,720 organizer, the person do all these very stressful things and 483 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,360 very time taking things and so. On, yeah, and there is a reason 484 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,910 why there is. Educations for this that last 485 00:33:38,910 --> 00:33:44,190 for several years to become an event manager and to learn how 486 00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:47,110 to organize these things. Because, you know, it starts 487 00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:54,910 with the bottle of water on each table to to toilets that work 488 00:33:55,510 --> 00:34:00,030 and to signings to find the the right event room, etc. 489 00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:01,830 It's. It's so much to think about and 490 00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:06,090 of course everything goes wrong. It's your form, yes, the full 491 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:10,690 responsibility. So and as I said you, you need 492 00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:14,530 to think about what you want to get out of that event. 493 00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:17,570 Why are you doing that? Do you like, do you have any 494 00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:20,130 plan, like what do you want to achieve? 495 00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:23,929 Because if you just want to, you know, go and meet a bunch of 496 00:34:24,130 --> 00:34:27,650 nice people, then goes, I mean, you know, this conference has 497 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:30,250 happened around the world. Just go there and be a 498 00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:32,170 participant and you will be even. 499 00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:35,630 You will get more out of that probably because you will be 500 00:34:35,989 --> 00:34:39,469 free all the time and you will not be, you know, overwhelmed 501 00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:43,070 with taking care of things and not being able to actually sit 502 00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:45,790 there and listen to these people because probably will not. 503 00:34:45,949 --> 00:34:49,550 You will have to arrange at this time. 504 00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:52,830 Exactly. So from the organizer's point of 505 00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:57,870 view, it's it's just pointless. I'm sorry to say that because I 506 00:34:57,870 --> 00:35:00,970 hope you don't get me wrong, because of course it's it's not 507 00:35:00,970 --> 00:35:04,890 pointless to to to meet and do all the networking. 508 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:09,410 But but if you are an only organizer in the end you get 509 00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:13,770 like the least part of that. And since it doesn't really give 510 00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:18,330 you any you know, contract opportunities, any possibilities 511 00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:22,850 to to be part of any projects, any like business development, 512 00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:27,330 you come to a point when you are thinking like so what's the 513 00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:31,660 point like why should I bother? Why should I spend my time, my 514 00:35:31,660 --> 00:35:37,180 money, my risk, my finances, do all of that If that's just you 515 00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:39,980 know going to happen for two days and then everybody goes 516 00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:43,420 home and forgets about that and there's nothing you know that 517 00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:50,300 goes further beyond that. I think it's that was also one 518 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:58,140 of the reasons why we gave up on that and I still think so it's I 519 00:35:58,140 --> 00:36:03,470 know it's not very nice so. I understand it, it's real. 520 00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:11,190 And I don't know if I would want to try and organize such an 521 00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:17,070 event right now, at least maybe. But right now I don't really see 522 00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:20,190 the point, especially here in Poland. 523 00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:26,950 Especially here in Poland, I think it's you know, apart from 524 00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:30,480 taking some nice photos with with the people and do the 525 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,000 meeting and networking it it for me it wouldn't give me anything 526 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,800 more. I mean, I think I get more from 527 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,120 traveling, from meeting people at their places, from taking 528 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:50,520 part in the courses in workshops rather than bringing people here 529 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,680 to Poland. Because also my experience, 530 00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,040 which is not nice but it's real, is that, you know, when you 531 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,320 invite people, when you maybe I put it in other words, you do 532 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,800 your thing, so you travel you, you know, spend your money, 533 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,200 spend your time to go around the world to meet people, to make 534 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,240 friends with them. And you just put a lot of effort 535 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,040 into doing that to like working on your networking site and then 536 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,640 you invite them here. And what happens is that you are 537 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,320 like giving these people, you know, on an open, on an open 538 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,400 plate to others. And then suddenly you wake up 539 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,600 and you see that you know you are somewhere, you know, left 540 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,560 out of that because other people are just going straight to to 541 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,080 these guys and it's really thinking about you anymore. 542 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:55,040 And you are just, you know, the one who did the old hard work, 543 00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:58,190 brought these people here. And then you are like, you know, 544 00:37:58,190 --> 00:38:02,390 we don't need you anymore. So yes. 545 00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:04,350 Yes. And that's very honest, I don't 546 00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:08,990 know, I don't know it's if that's the case in your country, 547 00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:13,910 but I unfortunately I do experience that here. 548 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:19,070 And this is also why it discourages me quite a lot from 549 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:22,950 inviting people here to Poland, from including this kind of 550 00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:29,870 events, because it's it's risky for myself this way. 551 00:38:31,470 --> 00:38:34,230 Yeah, I don't mean like understood in a bad way. 552 00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:39,790 No, no, I totally get it. So what I've learned for myself 553 00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:45,130 was that. And that's very interesting 554 00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:48,490 because I also think that there is a certain attitude that, for 555 00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:51,490 example, you and I share and many of the other people that I 556 00:38:51,490 --> 00:38:54,690 talked with in the podcast and of course also apart from the 557 00:38:54,690 --> 00:38:58,490 podcast. So there is a certain attitude 558 00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:08,940 that we take. Challenges that others wouldn't 559 00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:10,460 take just to gain some knowledge. 560 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:14,140 So we travel or I travel from Austria to Sweden. 561 00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:18,500 It's it's it's more than 28 hours of travel just to be there 562 00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:23,460 for 3.5 days to to train and talk. 563 00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:27,180 Yeah to train and talk and then travel straight back. 564 00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:31,540 That's what I do for a training with with one of my trainers 565 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:36,470 and. And we then I I traveled to 566 00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:41,270 Italy and each month one time for nine months in a row just to 567 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:44,710 train to be as that's what I was my first contact with with the 568 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:48,870 SWDI. Before that I was still in 569 00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:54,150 school. I I had a little Fiat Punto 3 570 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:59,110 doors. Like like yeah, little. 571 00:39:59,190 --> 00:40:03,310 A little nutshell on wheels. And I I started to travel five 572 00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:06,470 hours every month to travel here to the eastern part of Austria 573 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:09,550 because here where all the the the the trainer courses in 574 00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:13,030 education and and no one else did all those things. 575 00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:15,550 So I don't really know many people who who who do that. 576 00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:23,310 So many people who don't do that ask us to invite Cameron Jens 577 00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:25,990 PET et cetera. And. 578 00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:28,820 You have to do this all you know. 579 00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:29,900 You organized. Yeah, yeah, sure. 580 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,060 But I so I invited, I invited those people. 581 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:38,460 But then so when I always, when I did those things, when I did 582 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:41,140 the traveling, etc, I wanted to get the most out of it. 583 00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:45,460 So I was really serious about gaining knowledge, etc. 584 00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:49,900 And what I have experienced from people who just tried to to take 585 00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:54,620 what it served on the silver plate is that yes, they are 586 00:40:54,620 --> 00:41:00,300 here, they consume, they pay for it, but it's not a big effort 587 00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,740 for them. And you don't really hear too 588 00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:06,620 much afterwards from many of them, not from everyone. 589 00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:10,420 Because of course there are also some high class attendees at 590 00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:14,460 those workshops that it's really fun to network with. 591 00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:22,160 But I think for us taking the efforts going there was a real 592 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,760 proof to our attitude on how we. But this is also, you know, what 593 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,160 I was trying to say about the conference is that you do the 594 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,680 hard work, you travel, you don't just send an e-mail to a random 595 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,440 guy and you have to get the networking done, your part done. 596 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,600 And then, yes, people just come. They consume, and they go. 597 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,800 But it's still good. But what happens also quite 598 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,040 often is that they come and they try to connect. 599 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,720 They try to push you away and get straight to that person and 600 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,320 to use your platform. Exactly. 601 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,760 It's also what happens, and that unfortunately happens not only 602 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,440 from individuals, but also from the units and so on. 603 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,920 I thought actually I was talking to Kat Yantra today about that. 604 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,040 And I told her that, you know, I'm not really so eager anymore 605 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,000 to invite people over to Poland. People that I know, that I, you 606 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680 know, I respect and I want to learn from. 607 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,000 I'd rather go there and learn and then come here and and you 608 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,360 know, just do that on my own. Because if I invite them here. 609 00:42:35,170 --> 00:42:39,410 I do the all the hard work and I just give my contacts away for 610 00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:41,930 free and they people just use it. 611 00:42:41,970 --> 00:42:44,210 They they you know they don't care about you anymore. 612 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:48,970 They will just not all of them. Of course I generalize but but 613 00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:50,850 it does happen. And then you are just sitting 614 00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:54,770 there and thinking like why do I even do all of that? 615 00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:57,410 Why do I travel? Why do I spend my time, my 616 00:42:57,410 --> 00:43:00,690 money? Why do I put all of that effort 617 00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:03,930 if in the end I'm just like being kicked out and? 618 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,640 Just ignore it and you know, let alone I, I understand your 619 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:14,400 thoughts, but I really think that it's because I I have 620 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,200 similar approaches sometimes in my thinking. 621 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,440 But still I think because of what we already did, because of 622 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,040 our attitude and how we target the things that we want. 623 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,600 It's not that easy for other people to push us away. 624 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:37,230 Not not to talking in in too much of of of praising myself 625 00:43:37,230 --> 00:43:42,790 too much. But like you're you're not a 626 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:46,070 newcomer, you have you have already achieved quite a few 627 00:43:46,070 --> 00:43:47,590 things and you know so many people. 628 00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:51,310 So something that I wanted, I forgot to to mention before at 629 00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:55,670 Fundatsya Ilma you still offer life webinars and webinars on 630 00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:58,350 demand with so many great, great guests. 631 00:43:59,590 --> 00:44:01,750 I used to be there as well. Of course. 632 00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:03,350 And you're. I think you still are. 633 00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:06,670 Actually, I am. I okay. 634 00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:09,190 It was one of the first webinars in English I remember. 635 00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:18,950 But so people know you and I think you must do some really 636 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:26,550 big mistakes to be left out. But also I also we we had the 637 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:30,310 same thing. So we started to not only travel 638 00:44:30,310 --> 00:44:34,150 ourselves to the people that we want to train with and neither 639 00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:37,190 we did just invite him to make an event, but we just invited 640 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:43,630 them to stay with us in a in a small circle, which which was 641 00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:46,910 really fun the few times. Still, actually I prefer 642 00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:50,590 traveling because when we invite the people, we are still in the 643 00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:55,760 same environment, yes, and not having different places, so. 644 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,640 Yes. And you are still, you know, 645 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,200 occupied with doing the organization stuff. 646 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,480 So you you have, yeah, in a way, in a way, but in a small circle. 647 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,640 It's not that much of organizations, rather like When? 648 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:15,440 When shall we order some food? No, I mean, you know it's it's 649 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,360 some I I don't want to like speak. 650 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,160 That everything is so bad and negative because no, I think 651 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,760 that in the end it is still everything is worthwhile because 652 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,120 as you said, you are everything you do. 653 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,960 You you put it, you know, on your history list. 654 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,720 So of course there will come times that you know you will 655 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,760 feel like not treated fair and you will feel like you know 656 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,960 someone. Did you know someone did you 657 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,480 wrong? But I think that in the end. 658 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:52,960 The traveling and the networking and yeah, trying to invite back. 659 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,240 So getting people here is very, very important to just, you 660 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,320 know, to make people aware of you. 661 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,600 So people life is not fair just in general, so it will not 662 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:12,340 always be so nice, yeah. But I think, I think this is the 663 00:46:12,340 --> 00:46:15,460 right way to do that. I think that's traveling first 664 00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:19,260 of all and taking part in different events and meeting 665 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:22,980 people and just being around it's crucial. 666 00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:25,940 So I think that the attitude that we have, that we share that 667 00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:28,610 he said that we. When we want something, we push 668 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:31,010 it and we go. We don't really care if we, if 669 00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:35,370 it like requires 28 hours of driving or you know, I went to 670 00:46:35,370 --> 00:46:39,890 Bush now in in August and it required me two days of driving 671 00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:46,490 on my own five countries with two dogs in 40 degrees Celsius 672 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:48,490 temperature. I was like, you know, at one 673 00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:51,890 point I was thinking, are my tires on the car gonna make it? 674 00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:55,090 Because it's yeah, sure. How do they melt away? 675 00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:58,530 Exactly. But I wanted to be there. 676 00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:03,410 So I despite all, and I think this is, I think that this is 677 00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:06,970 the right way to do that, to experience things, to learn. 678 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:10,610 You will not get all that knowledge, all that experience, 679 00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:16,090 just by sitting at your safety spot waiting someone else to do. 680 00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:19,050 Yeah. And that's also something that I 681 00:47:21,690 --> 00:47:27,860 I don't preach, but I I want to tell as often as I can to to 682 00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:32,860 attend this from our courses or to to younger colleagues and 683 00:47:32,860 --> 00:47:35,940 also to all the colleagues that don't sit around and wait. 684 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:37,660 Something good is coming towards you. 685 00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:41,500 If you want something then just go for it. 686 00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:47,660 There is no, there is no sense in in in in waiting when when 687 00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:51,180 people are hesitant to register for a course. 688 00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:55,450 Of course it costs money, of course you have to schedule it, 689 00:47:56,130 --> 00:48:00,850 of course you have a maybe a normal nine to five job or or 690 00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:06,170 something else or a family etc. But if you want to do it, there 691 00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:11,130 will be compromises everywhere in life and and we can never 692 00:48:11,130 --> 00:48:16,930 tell if it was worth it if we haven't done it so. 693 00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:20,050 Exactly if you if you want something, you you know. 694 00:48:20,830 --> 00:48:23,870 If you want something, you will always find an opportunity. 695 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:26,470 If you don't want something, you will always, always find an 696 00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:30,030 excuse of what? Yeah, and finding excuses is so 697 00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:31,910 easy. Exactly. 698 00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:38,830 You know, it took me I think two years in general or even more to 699 00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:45,190 make it to go for this month stay at the NPA that was at. 700 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:50,050 And I was pushing that for years just to make it happen to, you 701 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:54,210 know, so that they let me in. And in the end it was worth it. 702 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:57,010 It took a lot of time. But you know it. 703 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:59,130 Nothing will fall from the sky for you. 704 00:48:59,130 --> 00:49:03,490 You have to, you have to just, you know, dig your own way and 705 00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:05,970 and push it. And then in the end, it will 706 00:49:05,970 --> 00:49:12,850 finally come, I believe, if you try enough, yeah, NPA is the 707 00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:19,490 Norwegian people say it for. Norwegian peoples ate, yes. 708 00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:24,570 Yeah. So you trained there to train 709 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:27,170 landmine detection dogs, right? Well, I went there as a 710 00:49:27,170 --> 00:49:32,290 volunteer, so I spent once there just a volunteer helping out 711 00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:36,250 with the dogs and helping out with the training and learning 712 00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:39,170 of course. So since I was there for the 713 00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:42,150 whole days. I could watch, I could observe 714 00:49:42,910 --> 00:49:45,750 the trainers, amazing trainers that they have there. 715 00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:49,830 It's also, you know, it's it's very interesting that you know 716 00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:53,830 there are so many people out there doing such an amazing job, 717 00:49:54,070 --> 00:49:57,510 training in amazing way and there are like you will never 718 00:49:57,510 --> 00:50:02,630 ever hear about them because they're, you know, not just 719 00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:04,990 doing their own things, they're working there, but but they're 720 00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:07,770 so good. And it was such a pleasure to 721 00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:14,010 learn from them and it was also a very an honor to be able to 722 00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:16,970 work with their dogs because they let me handle some dogs. 723 00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:20,970 So it was a very nice experience and the reason why I went there 724 00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:25,450 was that, well obviously the landmine detection, it's a, it's 725 00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:33,370 a I think that it's being more and more how to say that? 726 00:50:34,170 --> 00:50:37,690 Now I'm talking about the Ukraine situation and Crane is 727 00:50:37,850 --> 00:50:43,290 right now the the most landmine country in the world and it will 728 00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:45,530 only it will only get worse of course. 729 00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:50,330 So the demand for this kind of dogs is rising and it will be 730 00:50:50,330 --> 00:50:52,730 rising. So I thought that maybe it would 731 00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:56,850 be clever and smart to go and learn something about that. 732 00:50:57,090 --> 00:51:00,850 I'm not saying that I will go and train landmine detection 733 00:51:00,850 --> 00:51:03,140 dogs now. Because that would be 734 00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:11,980 impossible, but it would be nice to learn more about that to see 735 00:51:13,780 --> 00:51:17,580 how because of the training. So I thought that the best way 736 00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:20,900 to do that is to just go there and spend time there. 737 00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:25,220 And I think that the NPA GTC Global Training Center was the 738 00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:28,900 best place. You can't find a better place to 739 00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:31,700 learn. So that was the reason why I 740 00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,980 wanted to get there. And yeah, I managed and it was 741 00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:39,660 really, it was an amazing time. So actually I learned I didn't 742 00:51:39,660 --> 00:51:44,620 know that before that. You know that MPA GTC is the 743 00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:49,020 place where the conk method was, yeah? 744 00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:53,340 Yeah, dude, it was them who came up with that. 745 00:51:54,140 --> 00:51:56,900 And it was funny because, you know, at one day I was sitting 746 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:58,460 with them at the table. I was like. 747 00:51:59,030 --> 00:52:02,430 Hey, Hakun, is it true that you are the one who came up with the 748 00:52:02,430 --> 00:52:05,350 Kong method that, you know, the whole world is doing? 749 00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:09,670 Like, yeah, yeah, it was us. And he told me and he was so 750 00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:12,390 humble about that. He like, you know, they they 751 00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:14,230 don't do a big thing out of that. 752 00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:16,230 Yeah. You know, one day we were 753 00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:18,470 sitting there and thinking like, you know, maybe we could cut 754 00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:23,350 this Kong into smaller pieces. So I thought it was the the 755 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:28,400 Israelis. But maybe maybe they did after 756 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,520 the example of the GTC. Yeah. 757 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,800 So as far as I'm concerned, it was them because you know, there 758 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,720 are the, they are finding the targets buried in the ground. 759 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,200 So at one point they just saw that maybe it would be, you 760 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,480 know, smart to cut the Cronk into smaller pieces and start 761 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,160 burying it into the ground. And yeah, this is how they 762 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,720 changed that. That is really cool. 763 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,240 Training for the whole world. It's really cool. 764 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,600 So are you starting your own training program now? 765 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,280 Will you prepare some docs for the Ukraine? 766 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,440 Right now we are doing this project, the supporting project 767 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:18,200 with Paul Bunker and Katyanchur, but I think that the November 768 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:25,320 trip will be the last trip at least in this like at this how 769 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,490 to say that? As a like free supporting trip, 770 00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:33,050 it's just due to finances. It costs a lot. 771 00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:36,810 It's not so easy to raise money for that. 772 00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:44,370 So I think this will be at this like at this shape the last 773 00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:48,370 trip. Also, I think that you know if 774 00:53:48,370 --> 00:53:51,690 you if you want to make a change, if you want to make an 775 00:53:51,690 --> 00:53:55,560 impact in the training. You know that you know three 776 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,640 days in a row will not do anything. 777 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,120 It will not, you know, help anyone and it will not change 778 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,520 the way they train the dogs. So if you want to help them, it 779 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,800 should be on a regular basis and it should be like a long time, 780 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,720 because going there for three days, twice a year, it doesn't 781 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:20,880 really make sense, does it? So unless it would be a project, 782 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,560 that would be a long time project. 783 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,880 And it would be regular meeting project then. 784 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,280 I don't really think it's there's any point in going 785 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,360 there. I know that, you know a lot of 786 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,200 dogs are being trained and being sold to Ukraine as a support dog 787 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,280 like explosive detection dogs, also landmine dogs as far as I 788 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,520 know. I don't have any projects like 789 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,720 that going on right now, but well. 790 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,920 We'll see what the future brings. 791 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,720 If there's a requirement for going there and helping them 792 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,160 out, then of course we are willing to. 793 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:08,600 So that's really, really good. And for sure there will be some 794 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:14,080 major problems as soon as the war has ended. 795 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:20,400 I mean the MPA is already there helping but. 796 00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:25,910 You know, it's hard to clean the the country from the mines if 797 00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:28,630 you're still in the war under attack. 798 00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:29,710 Sure. Attack. 799 00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:31,630 So. And it's a huge country. 800 00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:35,510 And it's as well it's it's a really, really big country. 801 00:55:36,590 --> 00:55:40,310 Also dangerous because when I was in Boston, actually there 802 00:55:40,310 --> 00:55:45,990 was a drone attack very close to the place where there are 803 00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:51,800 situated the MPA guys. So it's also you know dangerous 804 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,720 when you are going there doing the humanitarian because the the 805 00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,360 landmine detection is also divided into the humanitarian 806 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,880 detection. So it means that after the war 807 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,600 we are cleaning everything. So we in in like order to give 808 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,880 the land back to the people so they can do rebuilt. 809 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,480 Build, build houses and so on. But you also have this. 810 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,680 I lost the word, I mean the the the mind detection which is used 811 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,920 in the frontline. So in order to clean the the 812 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,200 road in front of you, the path out of you, so the you know the 813 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,480 army can and go, you are just cleaning the path in front of 814 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,600 you, just leave alone everything that's on the side. 815 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,000 But it doesn't interest you. You just do the do the road. 816 00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:48,510 But as far as I discussed it, it's also the use of dogs. 817 00:56:48,590 --> 00:56:53,870 It's not really very good. It's because the dogs are slow 818 00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:57,750 and they are slowing down the whole frontline, which makes 819 00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:59,990 them an easy target for the enemy. 820 00:57:00,870 --> 00:57:04,710 And it's also the dog is an easy target because it's quite easy 821 00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:07,550 for the enemy, you know, to put a sniper out there and just pick 822 00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:10,470 it up. So the dogs are not. 823 00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:13,250 At the best way to use them in the frontline. 824 00:57:13,330 --> 00:57:16,170 So there are better for the humanitarian, Yes. 825 00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:19,730 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, huh. 826 00:57:20,770 --> 00:57:24,570 Wow. But, but go on. 827 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:31,170 But you know where is when there is a wait? 828 00:57:31,570 --> 00:57:34,970 Let me check the word. Sure, Google translated. 829 00:57:35,330 --> 00:57:52,640 Yes, what I want to say. Yes, where there is a demand, 830 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:59,160 there is supply. So already like there there is a 831 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:05,520 lot of, there's a big maybe I put it in other words, even 832 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,560 though what I said despite the the like disadvantages of the 833 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,280 use of the dogs in the frontline and the like in the war. 834 00:58:17,110 --> 00:58:18,830 There is a demand, so there is a supply. 835 00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:21,470 So if you want you will find people who will train you, a 836 00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:26,310 dog, not necessarily the biggest, the highest quality, 837 00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:30,870 but that will supply you with the mind detection dog there in 838 00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:34,190 the, in the, in the frontline for example. 839 00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:38,230 Even if the dog gets killed, I mean, you know, well, you know 840 00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:41,350 what I'm talking about, that you want to get such a dog. 841 00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:44,790 You will get such a dog because there are so many people. 842 00:58:45,780 --> 00:58:51,580 Already seeking money in this demand of the mind detection 843 00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:55,420 dogs, that there are people who are already training these 844 00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,140 things and they're already selling them and sending them to 845 00:58:59,140 --> 00:59:01,780 Ukraine. Is it good? 846 00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:03,420 Is it not good? I mean, I don't know. 847 00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:07,420 I don't want to judge. But that's the reality, sure. 848 00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:09,900 And it's the. Yeah, there is a, there is a big 849 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:13,820 business growing for. It's a huge business and. 850 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:19,600 But the the stay in Bush. Now help me understand that you 851 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,560 know the. I think that the mind detection 852 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:30,600 is the one of the most of course dangerous but most difficult 853 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,640 like specialties within the sun detection, because first of all 854 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680 you are risking your life just in the beginning. 855 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,480 Yes, get out with your dog. You're already at risk. 856 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:45,840 But also at the. The mines that are being used 857 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,400 now in Ukraine, they differ so much from what was used in 858 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,720 Bushneck, for example. Yes, because you know, the 859 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,720 explosives, the devices, the mines that are still there, out 860 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,200 there are from 30 years ago and the devices. 861 01:00:02,750 --> 01:00:05,230 Now, in Ukraine, this is a totally different story. 862 01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:06,350 Yeah, there's new level. Yeah. 863 01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:12,270 There's so many kind of devices that are even too dangerous to 864 01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:17,790 be used for the dogs to be used because they can explode just, 865 01:00:17,790 --> 01:00:20,030 you know, without even you stepping on them. 866 01:00:20,070 --> 01:00:27,670 So it's not so easy and I think it's quite again, let me Google. 867 01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:36,730 Sure. Irresponsible just to, you know, 868 01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:40,290 to just to train the dog like that and send it without having 869 01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:42,930 the full knowledge of what it's actually. 870 01:00:43,210 --> 01:00:49,010 What it's actually facing, yeah. But I think it's like, I mean 871 01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:52,530 you will find such cases everywhere and every industry 872 01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:58,020 like you have people who are putting impact and putting like 873 01:00:58,180 --> 01:01:01,260 caring a lot about the quality, about the safety, about 874 01:01:01,260 --> 01:01:03,460 everything. But there are also there's this 875 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:06,300 side that is caring only about the money. 876 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:12,780 So this is life, I guess. Yes, yes, that's life. 877 01:01:13,460 --> 01:01:21,580 And I think sometimes we should try to think more economically 878 01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:24,700 but still not forget the topic because. 879 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,240 If you were smart in marketing and economics, you can make it 880 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,320 so far without even selling a good product. 881 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,960 And we see it every day on social media. 882 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:41,560 Yes, actually if you are good in marketing, that might be enough 883 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,320 in some cases unfortunately. Yeah, it's crazy. 884 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,680 So maybe I should have started marketing instead. 885 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,680 Maybe that would have helped me. Yeah, who knows? 886 01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:56,540 We can. We can still study it. 887 01:01:59,180 --> 01:02:03,900 No, I'm done with universities. I'm done. 888 01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:11,260 But yeah, I think this is also the the thing with if you want 889 01:02:11,380 --> 01:02:16,340 to have high quality, you might disagree with me. 890 01:02:16,340 --> 01:02:21,820 But you know the more narrow specialty you have and the 891 01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:24,540 higher quality you will have you want to have. 892 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,560 I think that your target also gets narrow and narrow, more 893 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:35,600 narrow and the yeah of course the better marketing you have 894 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,600 and the wider like you know area you are doing, of course the the 895 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,360 wider audience you get if if that's what I'm saying, yeah. 896 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,000 Yeah. So what I'm trying to say is 897 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,680 that if you are specialized in a very, let's let's take, I don't 898 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,760 know radio camera directional, you are a specialist at that and 899 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,600 you are doing that. OK, now you know, give me a 900 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,320 market for that. Yeah, right. 901 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,600 The best. You know the best special. 902 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,200 World. Yeah, yeah. 903 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,440 But give me a market. Yeah, your target group is like 904 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,040 100 people in the world. Exactly. 905 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:21,680 Yeah, but then seeing nose work, then you are like, oh, OK, you 906 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,680 know. That's something else which and 907 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,480 I this is the thing that I've been struggling a little bit 908 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:37,800 recently that since this specialty specialization I have 909 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:43,920 this feeling that my target is like it's getting so small at 910 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,680 least here in the on the Polish market that I I'm really you 911 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:53,680 know trying to figure out what I should do next because I think 912 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:59,320 that there's no, you know no demand for this kind of dogs 913 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:05,040 like radio camera directional. I mean, it requires so much work 914 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,760 and so much everything but then. Some say, some say it's the 915 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,160 future, but do you have similar experience with that as well? 916 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,680 Well, in Australia there is no dog deployed with bubble or 917 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,480 video directional still we train it. 918 01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:24,860 Because first of all, it's it's cool. 919 01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:27,380 I know. First no, first of all it's 920 01:04:27,380 --> 01:04:35,180 frosting and I want to to to manage manage these issues and 921 01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:39,580 and and problems in training and on the other hand I really 922 01:04:39,580 --> 01:04:42,740 believe that there is a future market in in those things more 923 01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:49,700 and more to send in dog supported with or 4 drones. 924 01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:57,340 To yeah, to work some things out and having sensors attached to 925 01:04:57,340 --> 01:05:04,460 its vest and figuring out the temperatures, outgassing, I 926 01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:10,660 don't know nuclear activities and so and so on. 927 01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:16,060 So and still there. The dog is moving faster than 928 01:05:16,060 --> 01:05:19,340 than all the robots and and can just go in. 929 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,560 Objects where you have challenges to to navigate a 930 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,560 drone to a robot. I think I agree. 931 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,080 And I also think that this is fascinating. 932 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,520 And and and also the our, our, the, the technical part of it 933 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,040 getting better connections, getting better wireless 934 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:48,480 connections, having less disruptions or time differences 935 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,230 between. The the sender and the receiver 936 01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:55,870 and all those things, they they will just develop in in the next 937 01:05:55,870 --> 01:06:00,030 few maybe weeks, months, because how fast did all the drone 938 01:06:00,110 --> 01:06:05,430 technology evolve? So I really don't see a big 939 01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:08,870 about the control again. Come again? 940 01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:13,270 I need to talk to you about the camera again, but we will take 941 01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:16,430 that later. Yes, the the bloody camera. 942 01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:24,910 Few days ago I've been waiting for it since May I got it and 943 01:06:24,910 --> 01:06:28,030 now I'm frustrated because there's this little slot that 944 01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:32,190 says that you should enter the TF card not SD anymore. 945 01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:37,630 TF microcard like memory card and I bought one and I put it in 946 01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:42,190 and it does not read it. So problems just from the 947 01:06:42,190 --> 01:06:47,540 beginning. Now we we are still still on it. 948 01:06:47,620 --> 01:06:49,620 Our engineer is still building it. 949 01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:56,860 But I have to admit it, it sounds for for someone who is 950 01:06:56,860 --> 01:07:01,700 just training dogs as I am, it sounds easier than it than it 951 01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:03,580 is. There's so many things that they 952 01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:04,940 have to think about. How? 953 01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:10,180 Because we want the the the maximum outcome on the smallest 954 01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:13,860 possible place with the smallest possible weight. 955 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:23,200 And yeah, I'm still I think we're gonna on a good path. 956 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,880 So we'll see. I hope you will come out with 957 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,000 something that will be small, that will be, you know, we'll 958 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,560 have perfect connection and perfect quality of the image and 959 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,960 then you will sell one to me. I hope so, yeah. 960 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,520 Jens is waiting as well. Put me up. 961 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,220 Wait, please. Definitely, definitely. 962 01:07:44,340 --> 01:07:47,060 As soon as we have something out you will you will see it 963 01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:53,940 definitely. Yeah and apart from that it's a 964 01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:57,980 cool topic but still no one. No one in Austria is deploying 965 01:07:57,980 --> 01:08:04,060 dogs like this but I see I see many fields that where it would 966 01:08:04,060 --> 01:08:08,300 make sense. So from from search and rescue 967 01:08:09,740 --> 01:08:16,500 to to any kind of. Explosive detection work, Yeah, 968 01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:22,580 I think it's very. And it's like it's also, it can 969 01:08:22,580 --> 01:08:28,380 work like a body Cam for normal patrol dogs, because if you have 970 01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:34,700 a real bite or a live bite and because for example in Austria 971 01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:38,700 dogs can't just be sent to bite in in in regular police, they 972 01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:41,340 have to bark, so they have to alert. 973 01:08:44,069 --> 01:08:47,950 Before they would bite. So if you would would hear the 974 01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:51,590 dog barking and suddenly the dog is silent and you you start to 975 01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:54,750 hear someone screaming, there might be a reason for it and 976 01:08:54,750 --> 01:08:57,590 then you would have all proven on on the camera you know. 977 01:08:57,590 --> 01:09:06,189 So there there would be many benefits also also in front of 978 01:09:06,189 --> 01:09:13,310 the judge to just have somebody cams on the dogs that yeah, but 979 01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:16,029 I think you know the dogs with the cameras are already already 980 01:09:16,029 --> 01:09:18,590 being deployed with like you know, like normal cameras. 981 01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:22,830 I'm not saying yes. Normal cameras, not just just 982 01:09:22,830 --> 01:09:26,350 having the cameras, but in general I think that it's also, 983 01:09:26,350 --> 01:09:29,630 you know, since not a lot of people do that, it's very 984 01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:36,229 interesting and it's very challenging to to do that and to 985 01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:42,029 to train it. So I I take it personally as a 986 01:09:42,029 --> 01:09:43,470 challenge. Yes. 987 01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:45,950 She doesn't make it work. Although it's frustrating. 988 01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:47,430 I agree. I totally agree. 989 01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:53,109 Definitely, yeah. And I really have to pull myself 990 01:09:53,109 --> 01:09:57,430 together and spend more time training again, because recently 991 01:09:57,430 --> 01:10:00,310 we spent a lot of time in planning and organizing things 992 01:10:00,790 --> 01:10:05,110 and the dogs did have a little bit too less training. 993 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,720 Because I'm having two puppies right now. 994 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:16,040 And ignets and cool. And yeah, So what are you 995 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:20,320 training the puppies for? What's their future? 996 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:27,360 The black one will become, I guess, Austria's first single 997 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,720 purpose firearm detection dog, cool, and the yellow one will 998 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,060 probably become. If he makes the the health 999 01:10:37,060 --> 01:10:40,900 examination or the medical examination and he will become 1000 01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:46,060 an explosive detection dog. OK, so I'm having the puppy. 1001 01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:49,140 I was sleeping sick, well behaved. 1002 01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:53,660 Yes, yes, I have. The black one here is sleeping 1003 01:10:53,660 --> 01:10:58,020 as well. So if everything goes well, I 1004 01:10:58,020 --> 01:11:03,500 mean, you know the hips and joints and xrays and everything, 1005 01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:06,550 he should become a family protection dog. 1006 01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:11,990 So hopefully to be sold further. So this is another direction I'm 1007 01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:16,830 taking right now actually, to yeah, to race and train and sell 1008 01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:17,710 dogs. So. 1009 01:11:18,190 --> 01:11:22,830 And that's really cool because I think they're Poland is, I 1010 01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:26,870 wouldn't say some something like the Wild West, but you still 1011 01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:33,110 can, you have a lot of more, lot more freedom. 1012 01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:36,690 In in training and in in using dogs. 1013 01:11:36,690 --> 01:11:39,250 And this has, I think, some benefits. 1014 01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:43,210 And some disadvantages. Well, for example, I wouldn't be 1015 01:11:43,210 --> 01:11:45,370 allowed in Austria to train a personal protection dog. 1016 01:11:47,810 --> 01:11:52,330 I wouldn't be allowed to. There is some kind of a Gray 1017 01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:54,610 space in law. But I wouldn't actually be 1018 01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:56,570 allowed to train a dog to do muscle attacks. 1019 01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:58,610 I wouldn't be allowed to do civil biting. 1020 01:11:58,610 --> 01:12:00,130 So PS:. A is forbidden. 1021 01:12:00,130 --> 01:12:06,100 In Austria we have monitoring. Are you still allowed to use 1022 01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:10,580 prong colors? And no, not for for for almost a 1023 01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:12,340 decade. Oh really? 1024 01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:14,740 No prong colors, no E colors, nothing. 1025 01:12:14,740 --> 01:12:17,900 Nothing like that, but I think, you know, it's coming to Poland 1026 01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:23,980 as well slowly. But yeah, I mean I think sooner 1027 01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:27,420 or later the regulations will come here as well. 1028 01:12:28,980 --> 01:12:32,670 But so far, yes, we we. Basically and and and yeah for 1029 01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:36,710 for me The thing is so so my focus in training is apart from 1030 01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:40,630 educating handlers and instructors, is training 1031 01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:44,670 detection dogs, number one, search and rescue dogs still a 1032 01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:50,270 little bit. And in these subjects I I 1033 01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:53,950 wouldn't need any of the things that are that we are having 1034 01:12:53,950 --> 01:12:58,310 restrictions on and. But of course when, when 1035 01:12:58,310 --> 01:13:02,820 training, bite work, etc. There, there, there you would be 1036 01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:08,940 restricted with with a few things and you can't do certain 1037 01:13:09,380 --> 01:13:12,660 it's it's risky to do it illegally since you you know you 1038 01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:15,660 run the company and you can't. Exactly so. 1039 01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:18,460 So you you can't do anything that's illegal. 1040 01:13:18,460 --> 01:13:24,660 So you said about training, is it like limited only to the? 1041 01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,260 Authorities, organizations like, yes, normally. 1042 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:28,860 OK. Yeah. 1043 01:13:29,860 --> 01:13:33,540 So police and military in the end, but you know, with the 1044 01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:39,180 family, I mean with the protection dogs here, it's you 1045 01:13:39,180 --> 01:13:42,820 always have to remember that when you have such a dog, you 1046 01:13:42,820 --> 01:13:46,460 are like going with an unsecured gun. 1047 01:13:46,940 --> 01:13:53,250 But if anything happens, if this dog bites, it's really very hard 1048 01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:56,090 to prove that in court that it wasn't your fault. 1049 01:13:56,090 --> 01:14:00,170 So even you know if if a burglar gets into your house and the 1050 01:14:00,170 --> 01:14:03,130 dogs attacks, it would be still your fault in court. 1051 01:14:03,130 --> 01:14:09,450 So you really you really have to think like twice if you want to 1052 01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:13,690 have such a dog. But unfortunately I meet a lot 1053 01:14:13,690 --> 01:14:18,970 of people who are not aware of the regulations and are like not 1054 01:14:18,970 --> 01:14:22,940 aware about the risks that having such a dog it's carrying. 1055 01:14:24,220 --> 01:14:28,100 And they still want to have such a dog just because it sounds 1056 01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:31,540 cool to have a professional dog, but they don't really think 1057 01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:38,100 about the consequences that might get with that. 1058 01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:43,020 So when I started my adventure and I had my Rd. filer as a 1059 01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:46,950 first dog, I also wanted him to be my protection dog. 1060 01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:49,750 I wanted to do protection sports, I wanted to do civilian 1061 01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:52,670 protection, but I had like no idea about dogs at all like 1062 01:14:52,670 --> 01:14:55,670 that. And now if you ask me like what 1063 01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:58,430 kind of dog I would like to have, I would tell you that I 1064 01:14:58,430 --> 01:15:02,870 want to have the most, most social dog ever in the world 1065 01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:07,110 that just, you know, doesn't react to people, is just social 1066 01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:09,510 and normal and has no aggression at all. 1067 01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:14,190 Just because of it gives me so much more comfort and just 1068 01:15:14,190 --> 01:15:16,310 peace. When I go out to the streets and 1069 01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:19,750 I go out to the, I don't know, restaurant, whatever. 1070 01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:23,110 And I have a dog, and I have this like Peace of Mind that 1071 01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:25,950 this this dog will not do anything if someone you know 1072 01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:31,070 right reacts in a strange way, let's say other than having a 1073 01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:32,550 dog. Yeah, it makes life so much 1074 01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:35,510 easier. I had this discussion few weeks 1075 01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:39,910 ago with someone who so they were coming from a security 1076 01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:44,630 company. And we are trying to work 1077 01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:49,590 together with them to, yeah, to to build an explosive detection 1078 01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:55,390 dog program for private events, concerts, festivals, etc. 1079 01:15:56,550 --> 01:16:01,190 And so I told them, maybe they want to send us some of of their 1080 01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:07,070 securities or guards, and if they have a dog, we could. 1081 01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:12,200 Assess the dog and see if if maybe this dog would fit in, 1082 01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,560 what the what the detection dog needs And some of them 1083 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,920 approached and said, well yeah, I have this and that dog not too 1084 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,600 old so the age would have been good, the breed would have been 1085 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,760 good. But they also want to train the 1086 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,520 dog for protection, because of course, they come from a section 1087 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,560 where protection is is their their job, it's part of their 1088 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,700 lives. I said, well, it's just 1089 01:16:34,700 --> 01:16:37,100 nonsense. In Austria it's, it really makes 1090 01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:44,700 no sense at all, because in in no circumstances you would have 1091 01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:49,980 a benefit from a biting dog. Because it's like like like 1092 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:53,340 using a gun if you're not allowed to own a gun, you know, 1093 01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:55,500 And that's a big problem afterwards. 1094 01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:57,060 And in the end, the only dog is the. 1095 01:16:59,590 --> 01:17:03,510 Is part is that part of the game that will carry the the 1096 01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:08,310 consequences of being euthanized or taken away or something like 1097 01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:11,070 that. So and then many people really 1098 01:17:11,070 --> 01:17:13,750 don't get it that in Austria it makes no sense to train a 1099 01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:16,830 protection dog. And yeah, I mean I'm not small 1100 01:17:16,910 --> 01:17:20,150 to to do. Sports, but yes, yes, but that's 1101 01:17:20,230 --> 01:17:23,310 that's that's in in the sports that are allowed. 1102 01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:25,590 In Austria you have the obvious target. 1103 01:17:25,870 --> 01:17:28,350 So we're not allowed to train civil biting. 1104 01:17:29,050 --> 01:17:33,290 Or muscle attacks and as a civil person, but I think. 1105 01:17:33,570 --> 01:17:36,850 And and if you want to have a if you want to have the detection 1106 01:17:36,850 --> 01:17:41,650 dog as well you you don't want the dog that reacts on on some 1107 01:17:41,650 --> 01:17:45,650 fast movements or or people who are like a dog is coming. 1108 01:17:46,050 --> 01:17:48,490 You want this, have to think about that. 1109 01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:52,210 You know, a dog is a dog, and it can be wrong and it can make a 1110 01:17:52,530 --> 01:17:55,290 mistake and it might just react in the wrong way. 1111 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,200 And then you need to answer a question for yourself. 1112 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,840 Do you want and Are you ready to deal with the consequences? 1113 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,960 Probably not. Yes. 1114 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,480 Yeah. You know, even I talked to a 1115 01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:15,480 friend of mine from the United States some time ago and even 1116 01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:20,870 there the police officers are more and more scared of using 1117 01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:22,830 not only the guns but also the dogs. 1118 01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:26,550 Just, you know, for the biting because of the consequences, so. 1119 01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:32,110 Except from Florida, no. I don't know. 1120 01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:38,390 Maybe. But sure, we hear this this 1121 01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:45,350 topic everywhere and of course it's it's worth to to think 1122 01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:46,750 about those things. But. 1123 01:18:48,350 --> 01:18:53,430 I would be very careful to not like I said it in the last 1124 01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:57,350 podcast and I said it many times before, we are in a very lucky 1125 01:18:57,350 --> 01:19:00,550 situation and we are very wealthy people in the western 1126 01:19:00,550 --> 01:19:06,270 part of of the world and and Europe especially and and and 1127 01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:10,350 life is very good to us so we have enough time to think about 1128 01:19:11,630 --> 01:19:17,150 stupid stuff and to over dramatize certain topics but the 1129 01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:21,170 bad guys. Who have a bad life and and bad 1130 01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:25,490 feelings about the world et cetera Who wants to find a 1131 01:19:25,490 --> 01:19:28,730 better situation for themselves and are who are not afraid of 1132 01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:33,410 taking other lives or putting damage to other communities and 1133 01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:40,330 they just will not care about animal welfare or pollution so 1134 01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:45,330 so if we if we get too soft and and and glue our hands on the 1135 01:19:45,330 --> 01:19:50,680 ground and. Try to work our dogs with the 1136 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,960 love only. Well, we will not make it too 1137 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,840 far in the future. I guess so and that's that's 1138 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,000 what the end said about Austria. He said well Austria similar to 1139 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,880 other countries maybe like Switzerland or Sweden itself is 1140 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,320 peace damaged. Yeah so. 1141 01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,480 So the the authorities in the authorities don't really know 1142 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:16,640 what's necessary to to use their. 1143 01:20:18,010 --> 01:20:24,610 Yeah, they're units for because. They can't protect anymore. 1144 01:20:25,210 --> 01:20:29,170 You know, I've listened to, I've listened to a podcast with ex 1145 01:20:29,170 --> 01:20:33,530 Navy Seals guy, Polish guy. Actually I think the first, I 1146 01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:35,810 don't know if the only Polish guy in Navy, so, but that 1147 01:20:35,810 --> 01:20:38,250 doesn't matter. And he said that you know, if 1148 01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:43,530 you if you want to feel safe, you need to be a bigger 1149 01:20:43,530 --> 01:20:46,410 motherfucker than these motherfuckers that want to 1150 01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:48,760 attack you. In order to be a bigger 1151 01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,640 motherfucker than these ones, you have to be stronger. 1152 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:57,760 You have to be worse in a way that you have to be more brutal 1153 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:04,200 and more dangerous. You have to get up earlier, as 1154 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,840 Choco would say and. I think it's yeah. 1155 01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:10,700 Why? That you know you have to be 1156 01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:13,980 prepared and you have to show your that you are bigger, you 1157 01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:16,700 are stronger and you are more dangerous than them. 1158 01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:19,660 But in order to be able to do that you have to be like that 1159 01:21:19,660 --> 01:21:23,340 and you have to train like that so that they are just scared to 1160 01:21:23,340 --> 01:21:26,660 to to harm you. And we are in a situation that 1161 01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:31,940 we are just showing ourselves as a you know, we we are not 1162 01:21:31,940 --> 01:21:36,470 bringing any. Danger because we are so soft to 1163 01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:40,590 dogs, as you said, you know, putting our regulations down and 1164 01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:46,390 we are just like getting all the tools away from us in order to 1165 01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:51,750 protect ourselves. Sure, Yeah, I think. 1166 01:21:51,950 --> 01:21:55,510 It's going to be here in Poland in the nearest time because of 1167 01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:58,310 our situation right now. It might change a little bit 1168 01:21:58,310 --> 01:22:02,990 since we are, you know, bordered to Ukraine and we are all these. 1169 01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:08,030 Things happening. Are you also bored to bellows? 1170 01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:16,630 Yes, yeah I'm I'm really interested on on how the the the 1171 01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:18,990 younger generations now are growing up. 1172 01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:25,790 No no in Austria or generally also in maybe in central Europe 1173 01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:33,030 and and and how the the current situation is is affecting all of 1174 01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:41,020 us because right now I I I really you know I I was I'm very 1175 01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:46,700 privileged I I didn't have to do hard work at home you know but I 1176 01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:49,420 was still a child that could play in dirt and mud and who 1177 01:22:49,420 --> 01:22:55,460 didn't have to have parents watching us all the time and and 1178 01:22:55,460 --> 01:23:01,980 the kids now are having this umbrella moms and dads and and 1179 01:23:02,180 --> 01:23:05,780 and can't get dirty etc or or just checking out what's what's 1180 01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:09,380 what's latest on TikTok and I have the feeling that that dogs 1181 01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:11,580 are treated the same way. Yep. 1182 01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:13,460 And the dangerous thing is not that. 1183 01:23:13,460 --> 01:23:16,060 Also working dogs should be treated that way. 1184 01:23:16,460 --> 01:23:21,540 Like like like retarded. Yep, subjects. 1185 01:23:21,940 --> 01:23:26,660 You know, just imagine that if we talk about children, but you 1186 01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:30,060 know, even about ourselves, just imagine that the electricity 1187 01:23:30,060 --> 01:23:33,350 goes off. For like 1-2, three days for a 1188 01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:37,190 week, yeah. But if that happens, everyone is 1189 01:23:37,190 --> 01:23:38,790 dead here. Yeah, because. 1190 01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:42,790 Because. Children, because maybe some of 1191 01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:45,870 us will like, you know, we have some survival skills. 1192 01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:48,990 Maybe, maybe not. But if we talk about, that's a 1193 01:23:48,990 --> 01:23:52,310 big problem. That is raised, you know, with 1194 01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:54,670 their glued to their mobiles and. 1195 01:23:55,940 --> 01:23:58,500 Just imagine the electricity goes off for a week and we have 1196 01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:01,660 no telephone. You have no, you have nothing. 1197 01:24:02,020 --> 01:24:04,780 No, really. I think the scenario is if that 1198 01:24:04,780 --> 01:24:11,100 would happen for a week. We have the the apocalypse. 1199 01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:14,700 Yeah, yeah. So that would be really, really 1200 01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:18,420 bad. Exactly even it would be 1201 01:24:18,420 --> 01:24:22,850 Zombieland. Even think about the water, 1202 01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:25,970 because if you don't have electricity, you basically you 1203 01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:29,170 don't have water anymore. If you don't have nothing and 1204 01:24:29,170 --> 01:24:32,770 you know you start drinking poison water, maybe at one 1205 01:24:33,210 --> 01:24:41,610 moment get sick and you die, it's and actually you know. 1206 01:24:43,930 --> 01:24:47,330 Not very many people are thinking about that scenario, 1207 01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:49,530 such a scenario. We are like living in a bubble, 1208 01:24:49,530 --> 01:24:52,250 thinking that, oh, we are so great because we, you know, 1209 01:24:52,450 --> 01:24:56,490 during our life, I think both yours and mine, we've been 1210 01:24:56,490 --> 01:25:00,450 living the very privileged life. So we experienced no course. 1211 01:25:00,690 --> 01:25:04,250 We experienced no like we lived in, I think the best times we 1212 01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:08,210 could basically imagine the technology developed and 1213 01:25:08,410 --> 01:25:11,650 everything and we basically take that for granted. 1214 01:25:11,890 --> 01:25:14,460 So far, yes. And we think that, you know, 1215 01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:17,100 it's always been like that. We've always had electricity 1216 01:25:17,260 --> 01:25:20,780 exactly and and that makes. Imagine that something like that 1217 01:25:20,940 --> 01:25:26,260 can happen and that creates those weak decisions and the 1218 01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:28,580 soft attitude you. Know what they say? 1219 01:25:28,620 --> 01:25:31,300 That the the good times create weak man. 1220 01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:35,100 But I said that in the last podcast. 1221 01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:41,500 So I don't want to, you know, worry, but it means that we 1222 01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:44,250 might be the weak man. Yeah. 1223 01:25:45,330 --> 01:25:48,850 Yeah. Hopefully not, hopefully not. 1224 01:25:48,850 --> 01:26:00,930 Yes, I'm just checking besides to to buy some some how do you 1225 01:26:00,930 --> 01:26:02,890 call it do? You mind now? 1226 01:26:02,970 --> 01:26:04,410 Now. Toilet quickly? 1227 01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:09,250 Sure, sure, go ahead. I I also have to turn off the 1228 01:26:09,930 --> 01:26:10,810 the washing machine. OK, 1229 01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:27,900 yeah. I also let the dogs into the 1230 01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:30,900 garden now. At least three of them. 1231 01:26:33,260 --> 01:26:39,610 So wow time time is running young and and and I really 1232 01:26:39,610 --> 01:26:44,610 enjoyed I haven't yet gone through any of my 3030 questions 1233 01:26:47,370 --> 01:26:52,410 and and I think we will leave that but now it's it's been it's 1234 01:26:52,410 --> 01:27:03,050 been great so far yes. So I'm I'm curious how how what 1235 01:27:03,050 --> 01:27:09,900 the future brings to us. Because of course not only dog 1236 01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:15,500 training is not only affected by the latest ideas of dog trainers 1237 01:27:15,540 --> 01:27:20,140 and and and the latest subjects in in dog training and what's 1238 01:27:20,140 --> 01:27:23,900 hot or not. But of course also of it's 1239 01:27:23,900 --> 01:27:30,380 affected by the our community and and laws, how how we can 1240 01:27:30,380 --> 01:27:34,460 treat or how we shall treat dogs and how we shouldn't. 1241 01:27:37,730 --> 01:27:43,450 And and as we already discussed, I I have a quite a pessimistic 1242 01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:47,170 view on that in the future because things are already quite 1243 01:27:47,170 --> 01:27:51,490 hard right now and we are always in some kind of a Gray zone 1244 01:27:51,490 --> 01:27:54,730 when. But don't you think that you 1245 01:27:54,730 --> 01:28:01,050 know the like, the reality creates the demand so that since 1246 01:28:01,050 --> 01:28:03,610 we have lived in such peaceful times and. 1247 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,320 We could have allowed ourselves and allowed our regulations to 1248 01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,240 treat the dogs as they were retarded, as you said in the 1249 01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,080 end. But yeah, that's. 1250 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:21,200 But we are also treating people as if they are retarded or 1251 01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:30,660 disabled, not to offense the health status of people or or 1252 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:33,060 animals, but. But I mean like children for 1253 01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:36,420 example and but you know nowadays in Poland what what is 1254 01:28:36,420 --> 01:28:40,900 happening is that since we have this like you know breath of war 1255 01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:46,420 on our lives, we started thinking about that that maybe, 1256 01:28:46,420 --> 01:28:50,340 you know, we should start educating the children on some 1257 01:28:50,340 --> 01:28:55,140 you know, like basic, I don't know, for example shooting. 1258 01:28:56,270 --> 01:29:00,150 Abilities and like starting preparing them for the times 1259 01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:04,510 that might affect us. Because Ukraine is just around 1260 01:29:04,510 --> 01:29:08,070 the border, yes, yes. No one knows how, as you said, 1261 01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:10,510 no one knows what the future brings and no one knows it will 1262 01:29:10,510 --> 01:29:13,390 know if it doesn't spread around the Europe. 1263 01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:18,070 And maybe we should start preparing ourselves for that and 1264 01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:20,590 the children for that. Because, you know, our parents 1265 01:29:20,590 --> 01:29:23,630 remember the times, our grandparents remember these 1266 01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:26,610 times. But the children, they they they 1267 01:29:26,610 --> 01:29:29,450 have like no idea of what the war is about. 1268 01:29:30,170 --> 01:29:34,810 And what I'm trying to say is that when you feel this breath 1269 01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:39,370 of of the war and the the hard times coming, you start thinking 1270 01:29:39,370 --> 01:29:42,690 about that. And maybe if you see that the 1271 01:29:42,690 --> 01:29:48,450 demand for the dogs that should be actually able to be used in 1272 01:29:48,570 --> 01:29:53,530 in in real protection demands and real protection purposes. 1273 01:29:54,030 --> 01:29:58,830 And maybe these regulations that don't allow you to use them this 1274 01:29:58,830 --> 01:30:01,990 way will change if it makes sense what I'm trying to say. 1275 01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:04,910 You know, because if you don't have a need then you can allow 1276 01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:07,710 yourself, Okay, this is bad. You can't train protection 1277 01:30:07,710 --> 01:30:11,230 because whatever. But then if you see that you 1278 01:30:11,230 --> 01:30:15,590 know the enemy is coming slowly, then you start to think other 1279 01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:18,390 way that you should change something. 1280 01:30:18,990 --> 01:30:25,360 Yeah, and probably preparing is smarter than post processing. 1281 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:30,960 The question is, you know, we in Poland, we, we are very much 1282 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,160 like involved in this situation because it's close to us. 1283 01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,440 But I don't know how is it in Austria. 1284 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,120 Do you even think about that? No, No. 1285 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,080 I think people in charge think that we are on the on the 1286 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,680 different planet or it's safe. You know, we're Austria. 1287 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:52,040 We are neutral, Yeah. Yeah, we are no aggressors. 1288 01:30:53,740 --> 01:31:02,780 Ukraine, yeah. Now, well, because the, the, the 1289 01:31:02,780 --> 01:31:08,020 Ukrainian border is where I used to live before it was just four 1290 01:31:08,020 --> 01:31:10,900 hours, right? Not even. 1291 01:31:11,460 --> 01:31:16,020 So it's quite close, was quite close of course the the western 1292 01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:25,690 Ukrainian border but yeah you know it's it's also of course 1293 01:31:25,690 --> 01:31:28,650 since you're directly boarded to to the Ukraine. 1294 01:31:28,650 --> 01:31:34,490 I guess your news is having a different priority on on on 1295 01:31:34,490 --> 01:31:37,250 bringing the news to you. And I I don't know what it what 1296 01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:40,850 it's like in Poland but right now we don't hear too many 1297 01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:42,210 things. On the other hand, I'm not a 1298 01:31:42,210 --> 01:31:45,850 very active news reader or or news, yeah. 1299 01:31:46,290 --> 01:31:50,010 You know, with the news you also have to be quite careful because 1300 01:31:50,010 --> 01:31:53,010 there's so much propaganda going on from different side. 1301 01:31:53,210 --> 01:31:57,850 And the truth is that, you know, you come to a point that you are 1302 01:31:57,850 --> 01:32:00,530 not listening to that because you don't know what to believe 1303 01:32:00,530 --> 01:32:02,490 anyway. Is it true? 1304 01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:07,450 Yeah, it's just, you know, brainwashing because you know, I 1305 01:32:07,450 --> 01:32:09,450 don't know, the Russians want you to believe that or the 1306 01:32:09,450 --> 01:32:12,210 Ukrainians want you to believe their point of view. 1307 01:32:12,210 --> 01:32:17,920 So it's really hard to. Actually know the truth and know 1308 01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,400 what what's the reality and not just the, you know politic. 1309 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,040 You that want you to believe that Yeah. 1310 01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:32,040 And that's that's also I think that is I I don't want to try to 1311 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:37,160 get too much into into the politics but in the end I think 1312 01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:42,280 there we should we should think each and everyone should think 1313 01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:50,940 about themselves and somehow get any kind of preparement for 1314 01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:56,980 themselves or in their little communities because yeah we will 1315 01:32:56,980 --> 01:33:01,940 just know whatever the the higher parts want us to know and 1316 01:33:02,620 --> 01:33:05,300 exactly and we will not affect it So we will we will always 1317 01:33:05,300 --> 01:33:07,300 have to deal with the consequences that's. 1318 01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:10,540 You are always left on your own in the end. 1319 01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:13,270 Yes. And you, you know, you have to 1320 01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:15,710 deal on your own. But also you know, that was 1321 01:33:15,710 --> 01:33:18,510 interesting. I I heard the conversation of 1322 01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:25,350 another ex special operations soldier who is a big prepper. 1323 01:33:25,350 --> 01:33:28,910 So you know, he's all about survival and he's already 1324 01:33:30,030 --> 01:33:32,110 everything, right? He can he can survive on 1325 01:33:32,110 --> 01:33:35,550 apocalypse. But he said, like, you know, I 1326 01:33:35,550 --> 01:33:38,710 am all prepared and I I have all supplies you could see, you 1327 01:33:38,710 --> 01:33:40,180 know? Think about them. 1328 01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:43,380 You can you could even ever ever imagine. 1329 01:33:43,900 --> 01:33:47,860 But I have all of that at my place at my home. 1330 01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:50,820 But what if, you know a disaster happens when I'm like, you know, 1331 01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:54,940 1000 kilometers away from that because it myself just anytime. 1332 01:33:55,260 --> 01:34:00,140 But I'm like, OK, all my preparations are just for 1333 01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:01,140 nothing. For nothing. 1334 01:34:02,620 --> 01:34:05,220 Yeah. And that's also this. 1335 01:34:05,860 --> 01:34:06,260 You. You. 1336 01:34:07,390 --> 01:34:13,390 If that's the case, you you, you can't live that that fear 1337 01:34:13,390 --> 01:34:14,630 guided, yes. Exactly. 1338 01:34:15,430 --> 01:34:19,230 So I think it's smart to think about those things, to talk 1339 01:34:19,230 --> 01:34:24,230 about them and and not just to joke around, because a few years 1340 01:34:24,230 --> 01:34:26,910 ago I would have lost that you if you if you wanted to tell me 1341 01:34:26,910 --> 01:34:30,110 anything about prepping. But I think it's smart to have 1342 01:34:30,150 --> 01:34:36,650 some water cleaning hills and something to to to make fire 1343 01:34:36,650 --> 01:34:40,570 with and. Yes, yes, and stuff. 1344 01:34:41,970 --> 01:34:44,970 I see. I think we should just, you 1345 01:34:44,970 --> 01:34:48,130 know, follow our things, do our stuff. 1346 01:34:48,170 --> 01:34:50,570 And, you know, you never know what the life brings to you. 1347 01:34:50,610 --> 01:34:55,450 It's yes, it's so have you. Would you ever imagine the COVID 1348 01:34:55,650 --> 01:34:59,610 situation, all of that? It was like, you know, living in 1349 01:35:00,330 --> 01:35:05,430 fantasy world, right? Yeah, it's it's totally, it's so 1350 01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:08,910 crazy. And I remember I tried sometimes 1351 01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:14,510 to remember how it was during COVID and meanwhile I have moved 1352 01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:20,270 two times already again. And it's so surreal. 1353 01:35:20,710 --> 01:35:26,470 It's like like a story someone used to tell me I I can't even 1354 01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:29,830 remember being in there, always wearing a mask, going to the 1355 01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:32,270 supermarket, not allowing, meeting other people. 1356 01:35:33,950 --> 01:35:37,310 You know, not not allowed to leave the house unless you're 1357 01:35:37,310 --> 01:35:40,390 walking the dogs, etc, Yeah. And you are like living like 1358 01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:43,550 Jesus, I'm, you know, I'm afraid to open the door because this 1359 01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:46,510 monster will help, will kill you. 1360 01:35:47,310 --> 01:35:50,070 And I remember being really scared at the time. 1361 01:35:50,350 --> 01:35:53,990 So we are laughing about that, but you know, like going back. 1362 01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:00,360 I remember being really like, my God, we are going, yeah, yeah. 1363 01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:04,120 I wasn't thinking that I was going to die because of COVID, 1364 01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:08,920 but I thought this this ruins my, this ruins my job. 1365 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,920 Yes, etc. Going to be like our like what 1366 01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:18,120 happens next? And it was like, still, at a 1367 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:25,370 certain point in the first lockdown, when when everything 1368 01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:31,330 was canceled and everyone knew that it hits the whole planet, 1369 01:36:32,810 --> 01:36:35,770 there was a certain point for me that was totally relaxing 1370 01:36:35,890 --> 01:36:39,650 because then I knew, OK, everyone now has to deal with 1371 01:36:39,650 --> 01:36:43,130 the same situation. We can't do anything about it. 1372 01:36:44,210 --> 01:36:48,170 So I walked the dogs in the morning. 1373 01:36:48,170 --> 01:36:51,490 It was 9:00, and there was nothing else on the schedule. 1374 01:36:51,690 --> 01:36:56,410 So things were done. It was crazy. 1375 01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:59,730 It was really crazy. So something that came up to my 1376 01:36:59,730 --> 01:37:04,570 mind now for for the real canine preppers. 1377 01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:13,170 In the end, it's always to have a a bitch and a male in stock to 1378 01:37:13,170 --> 01:37:15,530 to do some breeding for the next generations. 1379 01:37:15,530 --> 01:37:18,010 Yeah, I. Thought you'll say to have 1380 01:37:18,130 --> 01:37:24,620 something to eat? No, we have to to to provide our 1381 01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:26,900 ourselves for the next years with dogs, so. 1382 01:37:27,460 --> 01:37:28,460 Probably. Actually. 1383 01:37:28,620 --> 01:37:31,260 I'm actually planning on the breeding next year. 1384 01:37:32,260 --> 01:37:35,820 I2 dogs. We'll see how it goes. 1385 01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:38,580 So with the the female of Eric and this male. 1386 01:37:38,900 --> 01:37:42,260 Female of Eric and with Toy, Yes, Yeah. 1387 01:37:42,260 --> 01:37:46,500 We also have some breeding programs with Cool and and with 1388 01:37:46,540 --> 01:37:50,150 Pook, and we wanted to have it already happen this autumn. 1389 01:37:50,270 --> 01:37:57,110 But since Chris and me are always abroad okay with our 1390 01:37:57,110 --> 01:38:03,430 mobile survival kits, we said now it's smarter to postpone it 1391 01:38:03,790 --> 01:38:07,150 to next year or something. But actually this would be a 1392 01:38:07,150 --> 01:38:11,830 very promising. Well, I'm also having big hopes 1393 01:38:11,950 --> 01:38:14,030 with that breathing. We'll see. 1394 01:38:14,510 --> 01:38:18,190 But I'm, I'm actually waiting for Araya to get in hit because 1395 01:38:18,230 --> 01:38:23,470 she's she's not in a hurry and he never, so she's like every 1396 01:38:23,470 --> 01:38:25,310 nine months or so. Yeah. 1397 01:38:25,310 --> 01:38:29,910 So we just our, our Labrador is having the same, that's good. 1398 01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:31,150 Nine or ten months. Yeah. 1399 01:38:31,150 --> 01:38:33,030 It's not very stressful. It's quite natural. 1400 01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:38,150 Yeah. What was the name of the young 1401 01:38:38,150 --> 01:38:40,270 Labrador Breedus that we met in Poland? 1402 01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:42,910 Or what's their what was their kennel name? 1403 01:38:43,580 --> 01:38:48,980 Asha, I can Google that for you very quickly because they're 1404 01:38:48,980 --> 01:38:52,060 they are doing a really nice program of puppy racing. 1405 01:38:53,740 --> 01:38:57,060 I'm still interested in getting a dog dog from them. 1406 01:38:57,500 --> 01:38:59,100 Asha, pull it. You are not pull it. 1407 01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:04,380 You are not pull it. And there, it's the whisper of 1408 01:39:04,420 --> 01:39:05,940 fire. Exactly. 1409 01:39:05,940 --> 01:39:09,060 The whisper of fire. Yeah, that's what I can work 1410 01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:11,460 with. And the whisper of fire. 1411 01:39:11,980 --> 01:39:15,140 And they have a very, very good puppy program. 1412 01:39:15,140 --> 01:39:18,020 They're very cool people. I mean, I will, yeah. 1413 01:39:18,060 --> 01:39:21,380 They're really nice. And they shared some videos with 1414 01:39:21,380 --> 01:39:24,100 their first letter, I think last year. 1415 01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:27,300 Yeah, some of the pups are in the search and rescue right now. 1416 01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:31,540 Nice already grown up dogs and we're doing really good. 1417 01:39:31,540 --> 01:39:34,580 So that's cool, I. Think that's a good direction to 1418 01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:36,020 go. That's really cool. 1419 01:39:37,180 --> 01:39:42,270 So yeah, let's wrap this up. I really enjoyed it. 1420 01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:48,270 I hope we do the Part 2 of this, it would be would be really 1421 01:39:48,270 --> 01:39:52,430 nice. I hope you know that maybe 1422 01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:55,990 someone will listen to that for sure for sure. 1423 01:39:57,110 --> 01:40:03,870 So still we didn't go through our basic questions, but maybe I 1424 01:40:03,870 --> 01:40:06,430 will. Session just went somewhere. 1425 01:40:06,510 --> 01:40:09,910 Yeah, it was great. Maybe I will keep that for our 1426 01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:12,110 next. Next interview next talk. 1427 01:40:14,710 --> 01:40:19,830 But still I want to post a question to you that was asked 1428 01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:23,990 by my previous guest. And my previous guest was Stefan 1429 01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:30,950 Koutier who he's a he was a police K9 handler and for many 1430 01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:35,110 years now he has his own security company which is called 1431 01:40:35,150 --> 01:40:38,310 XXL Sisha Height and it's a big company he's having. 1432 01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:45,290 Hundreds of coworkers or not. He has more than 100 employees 1433 01:40:45,290 --> 01:40:51,610 and and several 100 self-employed coworkers so to 1434 01:40:51,610 --> 01:40:56,570 say so. And he's doing a lot of 1435 01:40:56,730 --> 01:40:59,530 explosive detection work for bigger events. 1436 01:41:00,570 --> 01:41:08,690 And his question wasn't easy to translate because. 1437 01:41:10,220 --> 01:41:13,340 He started to say something and then he added something. 1438 01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:15,340 And then he said, well, I would ask it like this. 1439 01:41:15,340 --> 01:41:19,380 And then, so I tried to translate it more or less 1440 01:41:20,300 --> 01:41:21,940 directly from from German to English. 1441 01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:26,020 So for dog handlers and trainers from agencies or authorities, 1442 01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:32,580 how much pressure and harshness can be used in training without 1443 01:41:32,660 --> 01:41:34,940 violating the Animal Welfare Act? 1444 01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:39,660 How do you deal with the balancing act of needing dogs 1445 01:41:39,660 --> 01:41:42,580 for service that have to be exposed to the corresponding 1446 01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:46,460 pressure or hardness and also have to experience this in 1447 01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:50,860 training? So the meaning is that we have 1448 01:41:50,860 --> 01:41:55,180 to build dogs for deployments where they will encounter 1449 01:41:55,740 --> 01:42:02,620 certain kinds of pressure, pain and very stressful situations if 1450 01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:08,310 they weren't trained for it and. So the question is how? 1451 01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:10,550 How, what? How do you see what's it like in 1452 01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:13,870 Poland in in your case and what are your comments about it? 1453 01:42:13,870 --> 01:42:15,310 Good question, very good question. 1454 01:42:15,310 --> 01:42:19,750 And I think it's a very important question that everyone 1455 01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:22,150 should should ask you know themselves. 1456 01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:27,830 What I think about that is that first of all I think it depends 1457 01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:31,830 on the dog that you are working with that you can't put, you 1458 01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:38,380 know, every dog into the same like scammer because dogs are 1459 01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:42,700 different. They have different abilities to 1460 01:42:42,740 --> 01:42:45,020 like to cope with with such pressures. 1461 01:42:45,460 --> 01:42:47,740 And you know, you might have a dog that is really, really 1462 01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:51,860 strong, mentally strong and that the pressure you put on it will 1463 01:42:51,860 --> 01:42:56,580 not like affect him much. But then on the other hand, you 1464 01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:59,980 might have a very sensitive dog that might be affected, but a 1465 01:42:59,980 --> 01:43:03,740 very little level of pressure. And I think it's really 1466 01:43:03,740 --> 01:43:08,330 important to read the dogs and to know the dog that you are 1467 01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:11,730 working with and to know the abilities of the each 1468 01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:14,530 individual. Which of course leads us to a 1469 01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:18,650 different question that you know you might say now that OK, we we 1470 01:43:18,690 --> 01:43:22,490 we have different dogs, but these different dogs will face 1471 01:43:22,490 --> 01:43:25,210 the same circumstances in in the future. 1472 01:43:26,490 --> 01:43:29,890 Do you follow what? I'm saying outsource the weak 1473 01:43:29,890 --> 01:43:38,310 dogs. No, I think that's thank you in 1474 01:43:38,830 --> 01:43:40,990 a nice way. But let's just let me finish. 1475 01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:47,870 I think that I do use pressure in my training, but I try to 1476 01:43:48,030 --> 01:43:51,870 balance that pressure not to over try not to overuse it. 1477 01:43:52,710 --> 01:43:56,590 I'm also not the kind of a trainer that it's positive only 1478 01:43:56,590 --> 01:44:00,420 how you how you say that that you know that like so it gets 1479 01:44:00,460 --> 01:44:03,940 rid of all the. So you trigger me right there, 1480 01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:08,420 OK? In a good way, because I think 1481 01:44:08,420 --> 01:44:15,460 we have a connection that we can talk about things, but may I 1482 01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:16,180 just. Please go on. 1483 01:44:16,180 --> 01:44:18,100 Yes, yes, yes, sure. I think. 1484 01:44:18,100 --> 01:44:20,980 Me personally, I do use pressure if needed. 1485 01:44:21,460 --> 01:44:29,950 I use tools if needed, like from colors and choke, but only if 1486 01:44:29,950 --> 01:44:32,390 needed really. So this is just one of the tools 1487 01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:36,030 that I have in my toolbox and if needed I will get some use of 1488 01:44:36,030 --> 01:44:41,470 that And so I'm not like you know, getting away from that 1489 01:44:41,470 --> 01:44:47,030 just just to be 100% positive what to So what to say. 1490 01:44:47,390 --> 01:44:51,910 But on the other hand, I'm also not a fan of putting the dogs 1491 01:44:51,950 --> 01:44:58,730 into the like schema of putting the ecolar just from the 1492 01:44:58,730 --> 01:45:00,730 beginning and you know, training that way. 1493 01:45:00,730 --> 01:45:04,410 I'm I'm attacking here the Nepopo systems for example, 1494 01:45:05,810 --> 01:45:08,370 because I don't think. I don't want to say any names, 1495 01:45:08,570 --> 01:45:18,370 but you can avoid that. We are getting lippery, no? 1496 01:45:18,410 --> 01:45:20,370 This might be my first and last podcast. 1497 01:45:22,610 --> 01:45:26,710 No, we'll see. No, but I'm very open about it 1498 01:45:26,710 --> 01:45:28,310 and I'm saying that. Yeah. 1499 01:45:28,750 --> 01:45:30,470 And that that that's good. That's good. 1500 01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:34,390 And you know I have that. OK, I will do some attacking 1501 01:45:34,430 --> 01:45:35,670 here. Unfortunately, I don't want to 1502 01:45:35,670 --> 01:45:42,670 attack anyone but. But but what worries me is that 1503 01:45:42,670 --> 01:45:48,230 the, you know, we talked about the marketing before that 1504 01:45:48,230 --> 01:45:53,130 because of marketing being done so well, a lot of people are 1505 01:45:53,130 --> 01:45:57,290 buying certain ways of training and I'm getting into them. 1506 01:45:57,810 --> 01:46:02,530 Electric collars training right now and the dogs that are not 1507 01:46:02,530 --> 01:46:06,330 suitable for that and that are not like even you don't need to 1508 01:46:06,330 --> 01:46:11,090 use this kind of training for certain dogs are still being put 1509 01:46:11,090 --> 01:46:14,170 there and are being trained from the very beginning with the use 1510 01:46:14,170 --> 01:46:17,170 of the tools, with the pressure, with the use of the pressure 1511 01:46:17,370 --> 01:46:21,890 that it's not needed. Which leads to, I have seen 1512 01:46:21,890 --> 01:46:28,090 personally a lot of dogs that have been ruined by that, just 1513 01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:31,730 by by, you know, the unnecessarily unnecessary, 1514 01:46:31,770 --> 01:46:36,770 unnecessary, a way that was unnecessary, you know what I 1515 01:46:36,770 --> 01:46:41,610 mean with these certain dogs. So in the end, what I'm want to 1516 01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:46,510 say is that I'm not saying that the tools are bad and that you 1517 01:46:46,510 --> 01:46:48,550 shouldn't be using them because this is the same. 1518 01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:51,790 You could say that you know you can kill yourself with a knife, 1519 01:46:51,790 --> 01:46:54,150 but you are still using that knife if needed, right? 1520 01:46:54,590 --> 01:46:56,550 Right. So the tool that is a problem, 1521 01:46:56,750 --> 01:47:03,990 it's the ability of knowing when and where and why and with what 1522 01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:10,250 doc to use it and how to use it. So, but getting back to the 1523 01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:15,370 question, I totally think that the dogs that are going to be 1524 01:47:15,370 --> 01:47:18,810 faced with certain pressures in the real life, in the real 1525 01:47:18,810 --> 01:47:23,650 deployments should be faced to these also in the training. 1526 01:47:23,730 --> 01:47:27,770 And even more, I think that the training should be done even 1527 01:47:27,770 --> 01:47:35,490 more in a hard way, maybe more difficult way then the dogs will 1528 01:47:36,090 --> 01:47:38,450 rather than the dogs will face in the reality. 1529 01:47:38,450 --> 01:47:41,210 And I think this is normal what I'm saying that always you know, 1530 01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:43,170 the training should be harder, harsher. 1531 01:47:43,210 --> 01:47:48,890 Sure, but there is a big difference in where the pressure 1532 01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:54,050 is coming from. So of course I can put pressure 1533 01:47:54,050 --> 01:47:57,970 into the training as the handler because I use different 1534 01:47:57,970 --> 01:48:01,970 methodologies, yes. Or I. 1535 01:48:02,450 --> 01:48:06,730 Use environment as pressure so and then that's a that's a big 1536 01:48:06,730 --> 01:48:12,850 difference because and I always quote this bet that said to the 1537 01:48:13,410 --> 01:48:17,530 police forces or can enforce unit of the police and they said 1538 01:48:19,810 --> 01:48:27,490 you would you wouldn't work according the animal welfare law 1539 01:48:28,170 --> 01:48:33,670 if you did not train your dogs in. 40 degrees Celsius. 1540 01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:40,270 So if you don't go for a run with your dogs in the middle of 1541 01:48:40,270 --> 01:48:45,070 the summer in the highest heat possible, how would you dare to 1542 01:48:45,070 --> 01:48:48,310 deploy the dog at the demonstration, at the football 1543 01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:53,510 match or whatever in 40 degrees? So if the dogs are not prepared 1544 01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:56,870 for this in training, then you would break the animal world 1545 01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:59,930 fact. And that makes so much sense. 1546 01:48:59,930 --> 01:49:06,850 But that also means that we have to get in in in difficult 1547 01:49:06,850 --> 01:49:13,850 environments, noises, spokes, smells, things are thrown at the 1548 01:49:13,850 --> 01:49:16,010 dog. So it's it's like, you know, so 1549 01:49:16,450 --> 01:49:21,250 becoming a police officer or or or a firefighter or soldier or a 1550 01:49:21,250 --> 01:49:26,410 nurse or whatever will mean that you will find yourself in very 1551 01:49:26,410 --> 01:49:29,860 difficult situations. And if the situations that will 1552 01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:33,100 harm your own life and that would will put yourself into 1553 01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:38,700 danger and that will meet you as a specialist in the certain 1554 01:49:38,700 --> 01:49:42,580 subject to be able to take the right decisions when needed. 1555 01:49:43,700 --> 01:49:47,860 And first of all I think we we breed the dogs that are capable 1556 01:49:47,860 --> 01:49:50,780 of this if they're trained in the right way. 1557 01:49:51,260 --> 01:49:54,180 On the other hand, we will have a certain percentage of of 1558 01:49:54,220 --> 01:49:56,860 outwash because there are still some individuals that will just 1559 01:49:56,860 --> 01:50:00,940 not make it. And as we as we both know, but 1560 01:50:00,940 --> 01:50:05,940 also we outwash the humans, so why shouldn't we outwash the 1561 01:50:05,940 --> 01:50:08,540 dogs? Yeah, but you know, what about 1562 01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:10,460 the law? What is the law saying? 1563 01:50:10,540 --> 01:50:12,580 Yes, but and that's, and that's the next thing. 1564 01:50:12,980 --> 01:50:18,940 So when people are deciding, well, I want to become a 1565 01:50:18,940 --> 01:50:24,420 firefighter, they take the decision at their own when it's 1566 01:50:24,420 --> 01:50:28,310 about animals and horses. Dogs. 1567 01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:31,790 Dolphins. I don't know and. 1568 01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:36,510 No one, no one, no one really asked them if they want to join 1569 01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:41,430 the program. Still throughout training the 1570 01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:45,790 dogs with all the quadrants that we know with classical 1571 01:50:45,790 --> 01:50:52,670 conditioning and just the law of effect is. 1572 01:50:53,900 --> 01:50:56,740 That obviously they show more and more of the behavior that we 1573 01:50:56,740 --> 01:50:59,500 want them to. So if they didn't want to do so, 1574 01:51:00,580 --> 01:51:04,900 they wouldn't accomplish the tasks that we are wanting them 1575 01:51:04,900 --> 01:51:06,900 to do. So they I'd like to have 1576 01:51:07,340 --> 01:51:12,220 fundamental questions should even be allowed to use the dogs 1577 01:51:12,620 --> 01:51:14,980 in general? Exactly, exactly. 1578 01:51:14,980 --> 01:51:18,500 So I think if we see that the dog is willing to do what we 1579 01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:23,710 have set up. Then why should why should it be 1580 01:51:24,190 --> 01:51:27,310 an ethical problem? I think it would be an ethical 1581 01:51:27,310 --> 01:51:33,430 problem if I if I really force them to do it. 1582 01:51:33,470 --> 01:51:37,070 And of course the working dog has to do it. 1583 01:51:37,110 --> 01:51:43,150 Or we always say the working dog has to want to do it and that 1584 01:51:43,150 --> 01:51:45,830 will always be. I think we are also talking 1585 01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:49,950 about the risk that the dog is taking in the end like you know, 1586 01:51:50,340 --> 01:51:51,900 because the risk comes everywhere. 1587 01:51:51,900 --> 01:51:55,580 I mean the police, the military work of course, but even in the 1588 01:51:55,580 --> 01:51:58,820 search and rescue the dog might not make it. 1589 01:51:58,980 --> 01:52:01,700 The dog might you know into an accident. 1590 01:52:01,700 --> 01:52:05,620 And you know even as I told you about my friend from Sweden, we 1591 01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:08,460 were in the search and rescue exercises and the dog fell out 1592 01:52:08,460 --> 01:52:12,020 of the bridge and and broke its leg and OK, if it didn't the 1593 01:52:12,020 --> 01:52:13,780 search and rescue it wouldn't have happened. 1594 01:52:14,020 --> 01:52:20,410 But also in Poland a few months ago there was a case that guy 1595 01:52:20,410 --> 01:52:24,730 was coming back from some championships, I think obedience 1596 01:52:24,730 --> 01:52:26,090 championship, something like that. 1597 01:52:26,610 --> 01:52:32,210 And the dog died on the flight. So we we might also ask 1598 01:52:32,210 --> 01:52:35,490 ourselves, OK, but if this guy didn't do the sports with the 1599 01:52:35,490 --> 01:52:39,570 dog and didn't make the dog go to the plane, it wouldn't have 1600 01:52:39,570 --> 01:52:42,890 died. So because ask the dog if if it 1601 01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:44,290 wants to get on the plane, right. 1602 01:52:44,290 --> 01:52:48,760 So I think this is a very like, this is a discussion and this is 1603 01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:54,400 a question that doesn't really get us to a proper answer 1604 01:52:54,400 --> 01:53:00,040 because we have like two sides of the maybe in other ways we 1605 01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:05,700 need to like balance that because we can't go 100% decide 1606 01:53:05,700 --> 01:53:10,540 that OK everything is unethical that we put our dogs into 1607 01:53:10,540 --> 01:53:13,500 because you know, they they should decide for themselves 1608 01:53:13,540 --> 01:53:15,500 themselves. We are putting them at risk, 1609 01:53:15,780 --> 01:53:18,180 they might be in danger, they might suffer and so on. 1610 01:53:18,180 --> 01:53:22,220 But on the other hand we produce and we breed the dogs with very, 1611 01:53:22,220 --> 01:53:27,020 very hard drives with the wheel willingness and putting them now 1612 01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:30,140 just you know at home or in the garden and doing nothing. 1613 01:53:30,260 --> 01:53:36,660 This is, I think, even worse. Sure, sure, sure, sure. 1614 01:53:37,220 --> 01:53:43,020 And you know, and we want to live in freedom and and suddenly 1615 01:53:43,020 --> 01:53:51,700 we start to fight our, our ourselves by making it not 1616 01:53:51,700 --> 01:53:57,620 possible to protect ourselves. Yes, by by by bringing up those 1617 01:53:57,660 --> 01:54:01,220 ridiculous. Maybe ridiculous is the wrong 1618 01:54:01,220 --> 01:54:05,830 word, but. Issues within the animal welfare 1619 01:54:06,110 --> 01:54:15,030 and yeah, I think it's we also always have to take compromises 1620 01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:18,270 in in those things because if we start to think about is it 1621 01:54:19,590 --> 01:54:27,230 ethical to to do dog sports and it's quite easy to find enough 1622 01:54:27,230 --> 01:54:29,670 arguments for no it's not not ethical. 1623 01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:33,520 And and it wouldn't be ethical to do to work with dogs. 1624 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,440 But then we then we shouldn't live in houses. 1625 01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,280 You know. Then we could go back into the 1626 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,080 woods and and try to make the difference of I call to breed 1627 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,240 the dogs. Then is it all to, you know, to 1628 01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,760 get the the puppies into the world? 1629 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:52,440 And I mean, you know what I mean is that this kind of discussion 1630 01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:56,320 can go into such an absurd. Yeah, totally. 1631 01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:00,920 Because you know, I have read an article recently about the girl 1632 01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:05,520 who sued her parents because they gave birth to her and they 1633 01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:10,240 didn't ask her that if she wants to to to be born and if she 1634 01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:13,200 wants to, you know, deal with the world and and she sued them 1635 01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:19,400 for that. So, you know, it's a questions. 1636 01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:24,120 First of all, I think we never, we will never get like a good 1637 01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:26,650 answer for that. There will will always be this 1638 01:55:26,650 --> 01:55:30,770 black and white side. So it's kind of a it really 1639 01:55:30,770 --> 01:55:36,530 depends on our own thinking, on our own feelings on them, how we 1640 01:55:36,530 --> 01:55:40,890 feel about certain things. But also I think going back to 1641 01:55:40,890 --> 01:55:43,930 discussion we had to the discussion we had before is that 1642 01:55:44,730 --> 01:55:48,010 we really have a lot of freedom right now and a lot of free time 1643 01:55:48,010 --> 01:55:50,530 and no worries and everything that we even discussed these 1644 01:55:50,530 --> 01:55:54,270 things because if like you know. I think that's the thing. 1645 01:55:54,270 --> 01:55:56,630 We have too much time. So people come up with problems 1646 01:55:56,630 --> 01:55:59,590 that actually don't exist exactly, exactly and you are 1647 01:55:59,590 --> 01:56:03,870 just creating your own problems about even thinking of but also 1648 01:56:03,870 --> 01:56:07,390 not to be understood wrong. I I totally think that we need 1649 01:56:07,390 --> 01:56:12,510 to respect that, you know, animal rights, but. 100% you 1650 01:56:12,510 --> 01:56:16,470 know. Where to start and and you know 1651 01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:19,430 we we can never ask the animal, yes. 1652 01:56:21,590 --> 01:56:24,670 That's. But you know also you can, you 1653 01:56:24,670 --> 01:56:29,470 can observe the animal and you can, you know, you can totally 1654 01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:33,910 fulfill the like the the needs of the animal and you can 1655 01:56:34,230 --> 01:56:36,350 examine if the animal is healthy. 1656 01:56:36,350 --> 01:56:40,870 If there's if the animal is like well, life, is it happy, is it 1657 01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:45,270 well nutrition and so on. So you you can, you know, give 1658 01:56:45,270 --> 01:56:50,940 an opinion on that thing as long as you don't do anything that 1659 01:56:50,940 --> 01:56:55,980 gives the like brings the dog to to certain harm. 1660 01:56:57,380 --> 01:57:01,100 But of course then you might say, but what if an accident 1661 01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:09,780 happens? Well then I think this is a 1662 01:57:09,780 --> 01:57:12,100 reason that goes with the working life. 1663 01:57:12,260 --> 01:57:17,980 But as long as the use of the dogs in the working purposes is 1664 01:57:18,020 --> 01:57:22,920 allowed, and I think this is same as with humans, it's just 1665 01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:27,280 the risk that you are taking and everything you can do is to make 1666 01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:30,120 sure that you are giving the dog a great life. 1667 01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:35,120 You are meeting its needs so that you have nothing to regret. 1668 01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:38,760 Later on, if anything happens that, you know, this dog was 1669 01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:43,840 living a bad life, now something went wrong. 1670 01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,680 Sure, that's what I think. So this is also what I'm trying 1671 01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,360 to do. I'm trying to give my dogs, you 1672 01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:55,720 know, all the best I can do to to take care of them, to take 1673 01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:59,760 care of their health, of their fitness, of their training, to 1674 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,120 make sure they're living a great life. 1675 01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:06,920 But then in any if anything happens later on, this is the 1676 01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:11,680 risk that I'm putting them to. Of course this is also something 1677 01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:16,880 that I mentally agree with because you know if you are for 1678 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,680 example, you are training a dog, you are selling a dog to an army 1679 01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:25,960 or to the police, then actually you are the one responsible who 1680 01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:29,000 are putting this dog at a certain risk because you solved 1681 01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:32,200 it there. So you you should feel 1682 01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:34,600 responsible for its future, for its life. 1683 01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:38,160 And if you are selling the dog to to the unit that it's going 1684 01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:41,720 to be deployed to the war for example, how do you feel that 1685 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,940 the dog, you know, big shoot or killed or whatever? 1686 01:58:46,420 --> 01:58:49,060 Yes. And I actually was asked this 1687 01:58:49,060 --> 01:58:53,780 question recently that, you know, I said that I'm selling 1688 01:58:53,780 --> 01:58:59,140 one of the dogs to to to the army and what if the dog, if I'm 1689 01:58:59,140 --> 01:59:03,300 not like worried that the dog will get harmed and will you 1690 01:59:03,340 --> 01:59:06,580 know, get killed or whatever. Yes, I do. 1691 01:59:06,580 --> 01:59:10,020 But then I'm doing that, like fully aware. 1692 01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:13,860 I'm not happy about the risk that it's taking. 1693 01:59:14,060 --> 01:59:18,700 But on the other hand, this is the I'm thinking about the good 1694 01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:21,780 sides that this dog might protect some lives, might save 1695 01:59:21,780 --> 01:59:25,980 some lives even if it paid. It's the price of its own life. 1696 01:59:26,340 --> 01:59:33,340 It's hard and it's it's not fun. But this is something that I I 1697 01:59:33,340 --> 01:59:35,740 give my like, you know, agreement to it. 1698 01:59:37,500 --> 01:59:41,180 But I think that every person might have a different view on 1699 01:59:41,180 --> 01:59:44,180 that. So some people I know people 1700 01:59:44,180 --> 01:59:48,860 that will never for example, sell the dog because of because 1701 01:59:48,900 --> 01:59:51,420 of the risk that it might encounter in the future. 1702 01:59:51,420 --> 01:59:54,340 And I I'm okay with that because every I think everyone should 1703 01:59:54,340 --> 01:59:58,820 set their own limits and answer their like, ask themselves a 1704 01:59:58,820 --> 02:00:01,940 question. What What are you okay with and 1705 02:00:01,940 --> 02:00:06,220 what? What are you okay to put your 1706 02:00:06,220 --> 02:00:09,300 dog or the dog that you are breeding, raising, training? 1707 02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:12,620 To what risk and what consequences? 1708 02:00:13,100 --> 02:00:19,260 Because in the end it will be your consciousness and your wait 1709 02:00:19,260 --> 02:00:29,140 a second conscience. How to say that wait conscience 1710 02:00:31,420 --> 02:00:39,560 that will, you know, eat you? Yes, it's it's a hard question. 1711 02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:43,200 And it is. And I think about it. 1712 02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:47,200 I think about myself many times because we're also preparing and 1713 02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:54,520 selling dogs. And with every dog you have to 1714 02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:58,520 think about, think about how you treat yourself. 1715 02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:03,740 I just hope that I will never be in a situation that I will face 1716 02:01:03,740 --> 02:01:07,860 the consequences, so that I hope I will never never hear and use 1717 02:01:07,860 --> 02:01:11,740 that one of my dogs or one of the dogs that came from me got 1718 02:01:11,740 --> 02:01:15,020 killed. And I hope I will never, you 1719 02:01:15,020 --> 02:01:19,820 know, be be forced to like deal with all the emotions and 1720 02:01:20,180 --> 02:01:21,780 thoughts that will come after that, sure. 1721 02:01:22,900 --> 02:01:27,300 But I am aware that these news might come one day. 1722 02:01:28,460 --> 02:01:32,350 But. You know that's part of the 1723 02:01:32,350 --> 02:01:35,670 game, that's part of the game and if you are not OK with that 1724 02:01:35,670 --> 02:01:38,670 then just, you know, then put the game and do something else. 1725 02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:43,430 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, now what is your 1726 02:01:43,430 --> 02:01:49,270 question to the next guest? You should have let me know 1727 02:01:49,350 --> 02:01:55,470 earlier. I have to think what is my 1728 02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:58,230 question and who is going to be the next? 1729 02:01:59,060 --> 02:02:01,460 I I don't know. I don't know yet, no. 1730 02:02:04,940 --> 02:02:06,460 I give you a second to think about it. 1731 02:02:06,500 --> 02:02:10,660 I have to take care of ignets. Give me, give me, give me a 1732 02:02:10,660 --> 02:02:22,660 minute. What did you come up with? 1733 02:02:23,540 --> 02:02:26,660 I have a question, but I don't know how to put it in a short 1734 02:02:26,660 --> 02:02:32,750 sentence, so I will. I will describe it as well, yes. 1735 02:02:32,950 --> 02:02:38,390 So I wonder what's the next speaker's opinion and maybe 1736 02:02:38,390 --> 02:02:43,510 ideas, and also if the speaker agrees or disagrees. 1737 02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:51,910 But what I've seen and what I've experienced like traveling 1738 02:02:52,390 --> 02:02:57,730 through different places, smaller and bigger is that you 1739 02:02:57,730 --> 02:03:02,330 know the bigger place you have. So the the more dogs are you are 1740 02:03:02,330 --> 02:03:05,610 having in training, in deployment at work and so on, 1741 02:03:06,130 --> 02:03:11,490 the worse conditions you can give to the duck. 1742 02:03:11,490 --> 02:03:16,090 So what I mean is that for example where I was in Bushnell 1743 02:03:17,210 --> 02:03:20,730 and they are having like 40 dogs in training, you can imagine 1744 02:03:20,730 --> 02:03:24,330 what the conditions of living for these dogs look like. 1745 02:03:24,810 --> 02:03:31,190 So kennels and basically you know, it's totally different to 1746 02:03:31,190 --> 02:03:34,550 when you have like 2 dogs and they're living with you at home 1747 02:03:34,590 --> 02:03:37,550 and so on. And if you breed also if you 1748 02:03:37,550 --> 02:03:42,070 have a lot of dogs, a lot of dogs in the use, these 1749 02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:49,430 conditions go lower. But on the other hand, you want 1750 02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:55,740 to have the high quality at work and I think that the quality, 1751 02:03:56,180 --> 02:03:59,740 the welfare of the dogs, the conditions they are living at 1752 02:04:00,180 --> 02:04:03,980 really have a huge impact on how they perform at work. 1753 02:04:04,580 --> 02:04:09,700 But on the other hand, again, you can't provide great 1754 02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:14,380 conditions as if you are owning 2 dogs at your home to 40 dogs, 1755 02:04:14,380 --> 02:04:16,660 it's impossible. It's. 1756 02:04:16,860 --> 02:04:23,630 Not affordable exactly but yet it impacts the the the work. 1757 02:04:23,670 --> 02:04:27,830 So the better the welfare of the dogs of course the better 1758 02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:32,430 results at the work and I it's as you said it's not affordable 1759 02:04:32,430 --> 02:04:35,590 and it's it's really, I think it's a really hard topic on how 1760 02:04:36,230 --> 02:04:45,310 it could be sorted out to on one hand have a lot of dogs that you 1761 02:04:45,310 --> 02:04:47,630 work with that you train and that you deploy. 1762 02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:54,060 But still, you know, create a good environment for these dogs 1763 02:04:54,060 --> 02:04:57,300 and meet their like welfare and needs. 1764 02:04:59,220 --> 02:05:05,540 How to do that I wonder maybe the speaker will have some ideas 1765 02:05:05,540 --> 02:05:08,900 from that and maybe maybe saw some solutions. 1766 02:05:10,260 --> 02:05:15,460 But because you know, even me, I'm wondering about the breeding 1767 02:05:15,460 --> 02:05:17,420 that I'm planning for the next year. 1768 02:05:17,420 --> 02:05:20,680 And I would like to keep the litter, but I don't want to have 1769 02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:24,480 this leader kept in the canal because I know how crucial the 1770 02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:27,760 social part is in the development and so on. 1771 02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:30,680 But then on the other hand, how do you want to deal with 10 1772 02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:33,400 dogs, for example, and five adults of your own? 1773 02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:40,760 So how to, you know, is there like a golden middle way to to 1774 02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:49,200 meet, like both the welfare needs, but also to to be able to 1775 02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:55,520 like have more ducks at once and avoid this kenneling that I 1776 02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:59,400 think it's really, really bad for the ducks and really impacts 1777 02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,480 the work. What do you think? 1778 02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:06,040 You will not answer me now, huh? Me. 1779 02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:11,400 Yeah. Well, I think then we would 1780 02:06:11,800 --> 02:06:14,280 again talk another 45 minutes, so. 1781 02:06:15,570 --> 02:06:18,650 So I am. I'm eager to hear the answer. 1782 02:06:18,650 --> 02:06:21,850 Do you agree with me that this is this is like a problem? 1783 02:06:21,850 --> 02:06:24,770 That unsolvable problem? Actually, I. 1784 02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:28,730 Don't know if it's unsolvable until the first one solves it. 1785 02:06:28,730 --> 02:06:32,130 You know, it's like, yeah, so maybe the next speaker will. 1786 02:06:32,810 --> 02:06:35,810 Will tell us exactly. Maybe they will enlighten us 1787 02:06:35,810 --> 02:06:40,050 with the solution and and I have no clue yet who it will be. 1788 02:06:40,810 --> 02:06:43,850 OK. I wanted to talk to Jessica, 1789 02:06:44,450 --> 02:06:49,130 but. She's busy you if you ask for my 1790 02:06:49,130 --> 02:06:52,330 recommendations. Sure, let me know. 1791 02:06:53,530 --> 02:06:56,410 Ah yeah, I think you should totally talk to Kat. 1792 02:06:57,210 --> 02:06:59,570 She would be an amazing speaker. Or to. 1793 02:06:59,610 --> 02:07:00,090 Cats. Who? 1794 02:07:00,650 --> 02:07:02,970 Katyanshu. But do you know her? 1795 02:07:04,250 --> 02:07:05,330 No. You know her. 1796 02:07:05,370 --> 02:07:07,210 Then you should. You should have a closer look at 1797 02:07:07,210 --> 02:07:09,170 her. She's an amazing trainer, OK? 1798 02:07:09,810 --> 02:07:13,210 So please send me a link to her. Well, I. 1799 02:07:13,850 --> 02:07:16,130 Will and then I will think about it for sure. 1800 02:07:17,410 --> 02:07:19,530 Come again? She listens to your podcasts. 1801 02:07:19,610 --> 02:07:23,010 Nice. Nice for Paul Bunker for 1802 02:07:23,010 --> 02:07:26,290 example. Ohh yes he he has some amazing 1803 02:07:26,330 --> 02:07:28,370 stories. To tell he's also on my list, 1804 02:07:28,370 --> 02:07:33,610 Yeah, yeah, just never got in touch with him before. 1805 02:07:36,450 --> 02:07:41,320 So, Yagna. How can people reach out to you? 1806 02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:42,040 How? How? 1807 02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:43,880 How can they get in touch with you? 1808 02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:46,800 Instagram. Facebook. 1809 02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,360 That's the easiest. How do they find you there? 1810 02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:55,440 Well Tor working docs, Thor working docs. 1811 02:07:55,960 --> 02:07:58,200 All right. I also put that to the show 1812 02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:00,640 notes. Yeah, so we have the you have 1813 02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:06,380 the Facebook profile, the Tor working docs and Instagram where 1814 02:08:06,380 --> 02:08:11,980 you can follow us like with our daily activities, short videos, 1815 02:08:12,540 --> 02:08:14,900 etc. Just you know, basic daily life 1816 02:08:15,300 --> 02:08:19,380 and training. So yes, if if anyone wants to 1817 02:08:19,380 --> 02:08:23,460 reach out then I will be more than happy to to answer. 1818 02:08:24,060 --> 02:08:27,740 Great. Please send me two or three 1819 02:08:27,740 --> 02:08:32,860 photos of you and the dogs so that I can promote this episode. 1820 02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,960 Thank you and to everyone who was listening, I hope you've 1821 02:08:36,960 --> 02:08:40,840 enjoyed this. In this case again, one of the 1822 02:08:40,840 --> 02:08:45,120 longer episodes, almost two hours and 15 minutes. 1823 02:08:45,160 --> 02:08:50,240 I really enjoyed it. So if you did so as well, please 1824 02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:56,800 give us rating, leave us a comment, subscribe at the app, 1825 02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:00,480 whatever app you're using to listen to us and tell all your 1826 02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:03,080 friends about it. So hope to. 1827 02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:08,360 Have you as a listener the next time as well and until then stay 1828 02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:10,720 safe. Thank you so much. 1829 02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:14,160 Also thank you so much everyone for listening. 1830 02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:17,200 Thank you Flo for inviting me. It was a pleasure and it was a 1831 02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:20,960 very nice experience. This is the first time I have 1832 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:22,680 done something like that and I really nice. 1833 02:09:23,160 --> 02:09:29,800 So yes, I hope that the conversation we had, it was very 1834 02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:32,360 interesting for me talking about different. 1835 02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:35,080 Things yes, definitely for me as well. 1836 02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:38,800 I really enjoyed it and I hope we will have a Part 2. 1837 02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:44,880 As already mentioned, I'm on it so whatever it okay. 1838 02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:48,960 So thank you everyone and I hope you enjoy this. 1839 02:09:50,120 --> 02:09:51,440 Bye, bye, bye, bye.