We get nonstop fooled. Ya whole day after day.
And and if you don't get real yourself from time to time and
you're training the dogs yourself, you will you won't
realize that. First of all, it's, it's hard
work. It's a lot of effort and failing
is big or it's a part of the game and it's necessary.
So, hello, everyone. This is a new episode of cannot
talk like, you know, Tech and I have the great pleasure to
welcome an internationally known trainer decoy.
And it's no other than Huntsville, prison, I hunt.
I got, I I got attracted to your training videos, I think on
Instagram, so The the algorithm and popped up some of some of
your videos. And and I started following your
your page and I started to to how to say yet to find out a
little bit more about you and watch some more videos.
And as I told you last week, when we had a phone call, a
friend of ours, or contact of ours, once asked me to follow
him to work. A group of yours in Austria.
Unfortunately, back then I couldn't attend but I was really
interested. So finally I thought, well,
maybe if I couldn't visit your Workshop I just tried to get you
to the do the podcast to get to know.
You do to new by the on this way.
And lucky me, it worked out. So thanks for taking the time.
And you're very, welcome to the show.
Show. Hello well, thank you for the
invitation. Yeah.
And yeah, I don't do a lot of podcasts.
I also don't make a lot of videos and things like that with
a little bit of Reason. Yes.
But yeah, I'm always. Happy if I can can do my thing
and I'm also happy that we can we can we can talk about about
the normal things. So right.
No, thank you from from my site also, for the invitation and
yeah, looking forward, great. So I checked out your homepage
and first of all, that, that looks great, it's very clear and
I got some nice stator. Um, nice statistics.
You show them like 23 years plus of experience in dog training,
15 years plus of experience in a popo, the coin and so on.
So so that is great right now. Your full-time dog trainer in
decoy, right? Well that's quite funny.
In fact, a full-time, since approximately one month.
Yes. Oh wow, yes.
That's yeah, quite funny. I always for 15 years, not
always, but for 15 years, I worked at a German company as a
technician, all right? And I had my dog business, as a
side job first. It was a hobby, like, always,
and then apparently, Maybe I do something.
Okay. Then I get a little bit
questions to do things and then you have to, you have to do
things, sure. So then, it will become a short
side job. If you have a side job yet, then
it's not only a hobby anymore. But then you need to work and It
has Sno ball it be. Yeah, right bigger and bigger.
And the last year's it was not really possible to combine it.
But yeah, honestly I do to The Cove it and the corona, I was a
little bit worried and careful because the whole world was was
closed and larger you never net. In our country.
When we work somewhere in the past, when we worked somewhere,
we don't go out of the shop. If you have good job, if you
have sureness in your work and so on, yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, normal here. And maybe a little bit thinking,
like the old people think. It is.
Okay, I stay as long as I can. But then, yeah, you're busy
non-stop 24 hours, and do that a little bit and you can do that.
Yes. But then it need to stop.
So in fact, yeah, a few weeks ago, I'm a real professional
full-time, dog trainer, Right. Congratulations for that.
Well, to this decision for me, not a lot will change.
So there are not a lot of changes.
Only time wise is a little bit different, sure.
Sounds strange, but I have a little bit more time now but
with no, it's okay for the moment.
So and it is how it is. So I am not worried about
anything and I still see dog training As a hobby.
Big, of course, a big hobby that I still see it as a hobby
because I, I prefer more The passion behind it.
Then the you have to a little bit wrong business-wise, but for
me the passion behind the sports Etc.
Is is yeah, still a little bit there.
But that's a, that's a big, a privilege.
It's a big privilege. I think to really had the
passion for what you're doing and being able to live by it
because we are not all doing the dog things.
Specially for getting rich or wealthy, we're doing it because
we just loved the dog training, and to deal with people who
share the same passion. So, I think that's a, that's a
great great thing to do. For sure, some people, I think
it's very it's it's the opposite way honestly.
You mean in the, in the in the dog training Community or the
dog business Community. Yes, but that's right.
And that's also okay, that's also OK, everybody need to do
what they want to do. Very simple and everybody need
to do their best if they want. And and and and everything will
work out somehow so or if that will not work out and it's
something else that We'll work out and that's the same for me
and for you for everyone, but yeah, no, I think if you work
with animals, if you work for sure, with animals, but also, if
you work as a construction guy, if you like to work with wood,
it's always better than somebody that have to work with wood, for
example, because you will see it in the shop.
Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.
So for me, that's now. A decision that I made for the
for the dogs but I'm in my whole life into in to do sport from
when I was a child I mean to do Sport and that's why the numbers
that you said before. Yeah I think they are quite big
already because of my young age that I went to the sports
please, right? So you started with One ring,
that's what I've learned from your home page.
And then you got your first own dog, the dog was 10 years old
already and he said that one was a big teacher for you.
How did those things started? Did your parents already go to
the training course or why did you get to the dog training?
Well I got into dock training due to my brothers.
Okay. I have three ball drop Brothers,
one sister tube two brothers that dog sport at a time.
Hmm. They are there they're older
than you. Yes they are.
Much older. The two that did Doc Sports
first. I think they did one or two
years obedience class but they are 15 and 16 years older than
me. Oh wow.
Yes a lot. And so that means that and my
parents had a Business at home. So they didn't have that much
time. I think.
And my brothers and my sister raised me a little bit.
So I think the easiest way was that they were busy with the
dogs and with me at the same moment, I don't know that.
I didn't ask them, but they had the dogs.
The first dog was a female when they were 15 and 16 years old.
So when I was born and they went to obedience one or two years
and then they went to ring Sport Club 67 km from home and yeah,
there they started and the first years, I totally don't remember
honestly, but I do remember that I went, I still have pictures in
my head that I could go to, to the club, only on Saturdays
Saturdays, in the morning, that I know If my points were okay at
school. All right, because that that was
a little bit, the whip from my parents to, let me go to school
or do something there because in school, I was not the strongest
one and I didn't like school. So due to this I went to school
in to the dock Club. And then more and more.
And then I got my own dog, that was affected retired, dog from
my brother to learn, to take care about the animal, feeding
him cleaning the kennel because the dogs are outside and and and
and then walk him, and you have be busy with the animal and then
I could train a little bit, but yeah.
Doc from 10 years and older good.
Yeah. No, it was, it was nice that I
still remember. And then, yeah, afterwards.
He died. And then I got my own young, dog
puppy, and so on, and so on, and so on.
And then, One brother is dealing dog.
Sport at the moment. It's all right.
To compete. Yes.
Also belching ring and vbk and at that moment years ago for me,
then I little by little I got people that ask me things and
people that ask me advice and then you try to do your best but
I'm not a big speaker for in the past.
It was totally not a big speaker.
So I do it now and without any problem, I would say, but in the
past it was a big big problem. Okay, cool.
And yeah, because it was the teaching and it was depression
about the Dock Sports that I could.
Surviving my own bubble. And from that it's always the
same with animals with people, you get a little bit more
confidence and so on and so on. And then yeah if you do
something good, it grows, if you don't do something really good.
Well it disappear, very easy so and that's why I'm already a
long time busy with animals first year, I was very bad
things and very wrong things. I think like every dog trainer
day because I didn't knew better and because I didn't had the
maybe connections and possibilities but also from this
Moments. I learned a lot.
Sure. And I was and I'm still very,
very happy about it and and very thankful that I have the
possibility as a young guy to see a lot of old trainers and
the trainers in the past that didn't had maybe the knowledge
but had had it in the fingers and Due to these old people, we
now still have a dog Sports and dogs and for that, I'm very,
very thankful that I had the possibilities as a young guy to
see these old people train and work with animals because at the
end, everything comes back somehow.
And now I can make an explanation from what they did
in the past. Because of the knowledge.
But they had it in the fingers and in the fingers, it's always
an extra sure. Yeah.
And it's a lot different. How they learned back then,
compared to how we learn today because we have the internet
with social media, we have possibilities to read studies
online, buy books, Etc, drive here, and therefore workshops
that I think workshops and working and training.
Back then was just slightly different because you just
didn't know that much about what a dog trainer does. 100 km, or
in a, on another continent and to lathes everything is getting
a little smaller. At least it feels like that.
Yep, but I do think that the selection from one box, for sure
was harder to people, for sure was harder a good.
One is always a good one. If it's a dog, if it's The
person, it's a great, he cannot explain things but he can do
things for sure. And in the best to be would be
the same if you were not good enough at a strainer or you go
to talk to the doc club or training fields for the social
aspect, or you stay home. That's it.
So, I think the selection was Harder.
And on that case, better somehow.
Because now now, it's almost impossible that people say, oh,
a bad one is a bad one. No.
Then we find another sport or we change the sport more.
It's not allowed to say anymore, Yeah.
Ready line.
How old are you? If I may ask.
Yes. 38 is here 38. Okay.
How did you because you're from Belgium is I think Barton Barton
Michelle are also from Belgium. Right?
Yes. Yeah.
And how do you know in the USA? But yeah.
Okay. And that I think was a big
impact on you so you've got to connect it to the nape.
Oh and you did your instructor qualifications so it says on
your homepage to sorry. I'm really not knowledge of
knowledge. You about this and your gold
instructor or a multiplier of the yes.
So for me, my story in that case started also a lot of years ago,
when I was a child, I I remember.
Bart competed with sweet salt and my brothers know him from
longer from the past with his flip from the 90s.
So the, the ring sport World in Belgium is quite small.
So we, we knew each other. I would say it like that and
then, but I was a child, so I knew who didn't the person was,
but I didn't, um, as a person that I know em.
Now, And then yeah I had the pleasure that I was allowed to
go or in fact, the club ask me there to come English in their
Club part was and beside that I was already visiting him on
seminars in Belgium, France, Germany and so on.
So I knew that there was something else than than what,
what, what I did in the best but I didn't knew what so I started
to search. Yeah, and okay, let's see.
How is it possible that this person since the history?
What he did to be docks, what'd he do something something else.
So I went to go up and watch and visit the seminars and so on and
so on. And then I was I got a question.
I'll do you want to come in the clock and first, I didn't want
to come in the club there. Okay.
Why is that? Well, why is that?
I think, maybe a little bit of insurance for myself honest,
right? Yeah. because these guys at the
moment you have there you are and then still they were on my
line and and I think I was not Maybe not brave enough.
I don't know at that moment. So but at the end, I went to the
club there and we trained a lot together.
And so on, we were Club days with us together.
Yeah, we trained a lot and then the school started years after.
And yeah. Then I decided to go to the
schools and so they have a silver school and that's Theory
Theory, only now it's called new silver school.
That time it was silver school. Then they have the gold school
that was one week of practice and now it's hoped the new gold
School. New gold school is about The
goals nabucco trainers including me 11 but there are a lot of
them on the website from Naboo training.
Every goal trainer that want can become a multiplicative and they
can teach now other new silver students.
So it become a gold new goals, to the student, And there are a
lot of them but my story started, in fact, a long time
ago. The, if I hope you world's
witness. That's why.
Yeah, I have a few years of Naboo, training in front of me,
great. And what is it that you offer
today to your clients? So because you work with sports
people You work with pet people, you work with agencies, and I
saw on your homepage, your you, you will be busy or you are
busy. You will have workshops in
Poland, Ecuador, UK, and the USA, of course, Australia.
So, who are you dealing with there?
In fact, it's simple. Everybody that want to listen to
my story. Okay, can one come to me here or
ask me? And I will go, that's very black
and white because the dog is the dog.
Hmm. And if the dog need to be a pet
dog? Yeah, the roof or the same, the
using of the rules is a little bit different because it is
sports dock, or work working dog or a dog for agencies or
Whatever dog is a dog and the learning process is the same.
So what do I offer from my sight?
One my story and to everybody can can can visit me call me and
so on and so on seminar workshop training week Etc and now also
the new Naples pool gold course that on that some of them.
But but what made people To to follow you.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, is mainly the pipework and and
what is done in ndpk or do you also do a GP or monitoring or
cane? PV, or well, I have people from
other sports on during and came to be and a cheapy that ask my
advice in. In their training.
I'm not a specialist in other sports I'm not a specialist in
my sport. I don't dare to say for myself
that I'm a specialist. So I know something and I want
to share something but I will not say that the time the
specialist. But yeah, how come that that
they follow me or want to know something about me?
I think. I'm a very neutral person black
and white. And if I like it, I will say, if
I don't like it, I will also say, but I'll try to find the
better way and I try to help people and I think that
Everybody can ask me something. If you have a poodle, for
example, and you have a problem with the sit, I will try to help
you so I'm easily reachable, maybe that's also not good but
but I'm very interested in the behaviors and I'm very
interested in all kinds of dog sports or work from docks.
And I think that's the reason why 11 system is successful
because the system you can use in the big big in the whole
world. Yeah, I think that that's the
main reason that I am. Like, I say, I am not all
specialists in one specific program and I'm not a specialist
in all programs. Yeah.
Yeah, and that makes sense. We can't be we can't be
specialist everywhere. That's that's the definition of
of Specialists even though you're too humble to to say that
you are and traveling traveling around the world doing different
kinds of workshops meeting, people meeting you, and it's is
there a nickname that got stuck on you.
Not that I know. Okay.
So it's basically Hans yes not that I know if there is some I
really want to know it. All right and how many, how many
dogs are you having right now? Honestly now only one and it's
an okay, okay, he's now how old is he?
Eight years eight and a half. I think something like that.
Now, I have the problem that I don't train a lot because I'm
not often at Hope. My young dog moved to Austria
during sport, dog, that will now be 90 P by p 0.
Okay? Yes, But now for the moment I
have I have no, don't know time, I don't want that.
Other people are a slave from my dogs, so I'm very, very happy
that I have one brother that want to take care about my
animals, but of course, he didn't choose to take a dog.
Extra. A lot of weeks in a year.
Sure more. So yeah.
No, I'm very thankful but I have to A.
Every time when I'm at home, I will be at the club to help
others, okay? Always always because also due
to my club members and people. I had the possibility and I have
the possibility to do what I do now.
So, I am very thankful for that. And, and, and that also mean, I
go to the club and I do my best for the animals, like, it would
be my own box. Otherwise it's a team sport.
Sport sport. Is team sport.
Yeah, it is. And you need to do and you need
to train and you need to work a lot alone but at the end, you
also need the people around you at a certain moment.
Sure. Do you also compete still
competing it's lower demands? No nothing but you did I did
yeah. Also long time ago.
Already know. I think it's last time was in
2010 outline so it's a long time in the N.
VB K. What keeps you motivated?
Why why is it that you have still so much fun?
In dogs. Yeah, that's a good question.
For me, the sport wise, source for twice the the Rings Porter
and vbk sport is one of the nicest sport that there exists.
Sport wise, docs for twice. And for that I still have so
much passion because I just love it.
I like I like to do. I like to see and then end
because you can train a lot of pictures but still there are a
lot of a lot more pictures that the dogs don't or didn't saw and
you still need to do them and it's an endless story.
So you need to have passion for that.
Otherwise it stops why I like it for other sports I do I do.
Don't know, I have no idea, but I like to train the dog.
I cannot say. That I like dogs.
I don't like the dogs, I like dogs but I don't want to talk
even. I Know It with each much better
for the animal to live next to the Handler inside the house.
I don't want a dog in my house. Okay, sorry, yeah, I don't need
it, but I like to train dogs and I like to do bite work with dogs
and, and end because I like to have from it.
It's interesting how they react and the behaviors behind.
I like that a lot. You think that gives you a
certain Clarity on dogs because it little bit, it puts away the
emotional part that we have when we also keep them as pets.
So, for example, I have my dogs inside with me and Because right
now I don't have the possibility I would have the possibilities
to build the kennel outside but it doesn't make sense.
We're in the village with neighbors are everywhere so I
think we did the noises okay yeah maybe maybe different
mentalities also in the community.
The the next place I will move I move in three weeks.
So there we will have some candles and I'm really looking
forward. Although also to have the dogs
little bit more often outside of the house and After having them
13 years inside. But do you think it also?
Yeah gives you some not the distance but it's like a
professional distance to the to the subject dog.
See them a little clearer. Or what they do and how they
behave? Yes.
Because when when I yeah I think I think for sure yes I cannot
say them like I do think if a dog always lay next to you in
the sofa for example it will be another Relationship than the
dog that is in the kennel. However, my dog's nose, if I
have dogs, they know, inside life, they know them.
But when I see that, okay, you know, it's now you go out
because I don't want it. I want, I want everything a
little bit clean and I don't say that dogs are always dirty, but
It's the possibility out. Yes.
Any thoughts. There is a boundary between then
it is like them and these things I saw from the old trainers.
Sure, in in Belgium, do old people, and it's an old way of
thinking, and animal is an animal and an animal need to
stay an animal, you need to be good for your animal and your
friends, but it's still an animal.
Yeah, it is like that. Okay.
So, what about yourself? I saw on your, on your homepage,
apart from dog training equipment.
You also sell some supplements for dogs like for the joints and
that's very, very recently honestly.
Okay. And and 444 energizing the dogs
Etc. But what about yourself?
Are you a coffee drinker or your energy drink?
Do you drink alcohol? You eat meat and is any special
diets that you A little or well for the people that will see
this. I eat a lot of salad and they
know that okay? A lot of salad and vegetables.
All right, like them. But I do eat meat.
I drink not so much but I drink a little bit a little bit of
coffee. Okay?
Few years ago, I started to drink tea because in fact I am
addicted on go I can spray it so Coca-Cola.
I'm addicted, Sprite, I'm addicted.
So that is the reason why I drink.
Now a little bit more tea and if I can a coffee and so on, but I
like green tea or something that pushes you a little bit to
energize you or just casualty. Yes, yeah.
If its water and and with Flavor and it's hoped for me, it's
deep. Okay.
So yeah, not not, not so special.
In fact it's just I don't like water.
There is no taste in it for me for myself.
So plan B is the every every glass of Coke and Sprite that I
drink less. It's a win.
For sure. I don't do any sports anymore.
You can anymore when I was young.
I was swimming. Hmm.
Really young when I was swimming.
Okay, besides that, I didn't do anything.
The only thing that I did was in my life was going to school.
Talk train going to work, dog, training, finish, nice.
It's, it's nice and somehow it's also get.
There is nothing else in my life from the best.
Do you know David Goggins? Yes, from name.
Yeah, of course. Yeah, I've just read his book
and I'm listening again to the audiobook.
He's, he's a great guy, but he's uncommon and he has this.
There is a chapter in his first book, which means uncommon,
Between the uncommon or uncommon under the income.
So Maybe, maybe that fits you as well being a little bit uncommon
doing just the dogs work, dogs work and between others, which
which is, which is great. So, this is nothing to judge,
but I think I think that makes people so knowledgeable
experienced because obviously you you invest a lot of time in
learning also. That's what he said on your
homepage. You just never stopped learning
because you're always seeing new things.
And every dog Works different. And that's obviously also why
people reach out to you to learn?
Well I think it's also a little bit.
Everything goes back when to the childhood in the days that they
didn't even when I was, Teenager or even a little bit older 17,
18, 19. It was always about training and
going to train and see the older guys again to train the dogs
every day, and it I had normal. You need to, you need to go and
At the club's, it was have from after work mostly because every
every person went to his day job before till midnight, and after
midnight, and sometimes even even close by mornings.
It was yeah, book training and Yeah, in my life that was not
really something else. No.
Yeah. That's that.
And somehow it's good. Because yes, due to that, I know
what I know now somehow. It's also bad because somehow my
world is the big big world is for me.
Not so big, but don't we say? And I've got some too.
Yes. Yeah.
You cannot have everything right?
It's true. So since you're traveling a lot
around the globe, do you use the time then also to read books or
listen to audiobooks? Which movies?
What do you do in your? And you're not active dog
training time? I'm not a book reader, it's
mostly if I read two pages. then it's difficult to stay awake and
because I also in school, I never learned to To read to
study I cannot study honestly. Okay.
Okay my profession was service technician so I learned to work
with my hands and reading and stuff like that.
I it's a Pity because in the material that I if I like it
then I can read a little bit but still it's not the same.
I never learned to study and so on and that's a little bit of
me. Is that they feel now?
Yes, and it will not become better.
I think with becoming older. I think that's what I hear from
other people. That's what I do.
I like to watch movies. Yeah, that I am and I Like to
clean my head with that. So when I fly it's a trap.
I am watching movies a lot. Any good movie to suggest.
But no, it's like with music. I can listen to every type of
music. Okay, so specific fan of A
certain type of movies. I can accept orders and and
science fiction. That's not for me, not okay,
everything that is a little bit normal in the world that that
are like, but if it's a sport movie, or an action movie or
something to love, it's good. Yeah, great.
Yeah, no. So, Hans Is there either from a
movie or maybe from dog training colleague or someone who
influenced you? Is there any, any quote that you
have in your mind in some ways sometimes?
Tell yourself or that you like to share with the people at the
workshops, is there anything that comes up to your mind?
That's a difficult one. I'm not busy really busy with
these things with quotes, Etc. But I think that,
Just just do what you have to do.
That's it. It's a simple that it is if you
want to do something. Yeah or try or do or get the do
something. However, I'm also not the
strongest in making big decisions, okay.
But at the end, if I want to do, I want to have and so on and so
on, I need to make decisions. Yeah, my brother often said to
me my oldest brother. If you want to eat eggs baked
the Shelf. Okay, so yeah, that's for me an
important one. If you want to eat the eggs
break the Shelf. Yeah, the Shelf.
I do how you know, that break the egg the after the shell.
Yeah, sure, sure. Sure.
Okay. Yeah, I am.
Okay. I got it wrong first name.
Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense and it is
like that. So sometimes thinking and
thinking and keep thinking will not bring you anywhere, but from
my inner sides I'm also a tank, a big one, and a little bit
Control District for myself for him.
So I think But it grows as you grow as a person, you grow as a
person. You And when you travel, you
have to when you step out of the airplane and you're the first
time, I don't know in another continent.
Well, you're there now. It needs to happen and you can
take and go what. Now we'll go with the flow and
we see yeah yeah, right, and dog training, help me with that
because it's okay my little bubble.
And in the bubble, I feel good. And you do that.
It made me better in the rest of the world and also far less than
Michael. In fact, Michael from Bart, he
helped me with that a lot. Yeah.
So that's that's nice. You know, maybe you notice
saying that when he ever fall down from a horse you need to
get back up, otherwise it will be too afraid in the future and
to the horse riding, has there ever been an incident in dog
training? That was may be dangerous, or,
or you had a bad injury from a real bite or something?
Was there anything like this? I had I had the bad injury.
Yes, Never I had never. And I need to, I never never
never a big dog bite or myself. Okay.
Okay, so I'm very, but I'm always careful.
I have to say that I had an injury in the past bad knee
injury, but it never. Yeah.
I was never afraid to to stop or to go again.
So when it was, okay, after months, lot of time, then I went
back to the suit, okay, I'm more scared.
Because I had yeah I know no other accident also with people
that say that they understand something do to maybe or
emotional or a little bit insecure because they are also
in front of people or language. Perhaps hmm and so on and so on,
I don't know. So I'm in fact, more afraid from
other people. Ooh, than from the animals
because the animal you can read the people.
You cannot always read write and they can say yes and do no or
opposite. See if I had a bad experience
with. Without people have you mean?
Because it's, because I guess, I guess like, like, the Nay popo
is very controversial, right? And enter many many have to say
so, idle Animal Welfare. I don't want to read any one.
But anyway, so have you had any attacks towards yourself from
people who Who just want to bend the e-collar, for example, or
two who want to bend the pinch color at the end?
I do nothing wrong because that and there is nothing wrong.
I explained what I do, yeah, where I go, I follow the rules
that I have to follow and everybody is allowed to come to
watch the trainings, always right?
And it I don't care what side you are.
I would say it like that. Everybody can come and watch the
training. It's not a problem.
So, no, I don't have any any problems with that.
Did, I had people that say, I don't like, A pinch collar or a
choker or any color. It's a truck, of course.
Sure. And that's okay that they say, I
don't like it but then they need to let me tell the story.
And then we see afterwards and a lot of people said after us,
aha, sure. Now I understand why or why not.
Because due to other people, I had another another wrong idea
about it. And in fact, that's my job.
My job is To tell the story to tell how we train but in an
honest way, I don't want to hide things.
I don't want to, I just want to tell what I have to tell and
there is nothing to hide. There is nothing to, but I will
not say, hey, I come and train and I don't use equals, of
course, I uz covers. Of course I use.
Old tools that are necessary. But you will not see anything.
Bad. No, no, no.
I never had issues with that. What I don't like is about
people and that's the yeah, that that from everyone and
everything. The people that say we don't do,
we don't do and don't use in a big, big big.
A show and on the other side, they use.
Yeah, behind closed doors. Yes.
So don't say anything then, but just just do what you want to
do, but don't say anything, what is not?
Okay, hmm, right. Is there anything about training
dogs that has been difficult ever since?
Is there anything that because we gain experience we get new
skills, we could become more more and more.
We get the feeling in the fingers, right?
But is there something that you have always thought?
Well, That's not gay getting easier.
It's still hard one. Well, that was a trainer in
Belgium and he said one time to me once because I'm a thinker
and he said, one time to me, never ever forget the essence
from the job that the dogs need to do if it's searching it
searching, if it's never lose that and somehow, it's very,
very true. And there was a moment that I
was Focusing too much on other things.
It's a long time that he think maybe 15 years ago that he said
that to me, but that's something that I will not forget if you
have a search Talk he need to search.
If you have a dog that need to do Protection, work need to do
Protection work and so on and so on.
So never forget. The most important thing what
you do or what they have to do. Or their stuff that are more
difficult, or less difficult for sure.
Yes. Do I make a lot of mistakes?
For sure. Yes.
Will I make more mistakes, for sure?
Yes. So it stopped raining and The
only thing what I can do is do my best I can do my best if I
don't know, I don't know. And that I say in my seminars
and workshops also I can try to see well, I will see, I can try
to help but if I don't know I don't know.
I'm not a magician. Right.
Sorry, I'm just taking some notes problem.
The The problem often is with the people that the people you
get one minute or five minutes and you need to make a decision
over five minutes, but they have a story from their animal from
235 years and they will never tell the whole story.
And that's and you get named in these few minutes that you have.
And that's not always honest. So I think a little bit
different about these things so I can do my best if I, if I
know, I know, if I don't know, well, I don't know.
In my service rep, I had that. Also if I had to fix something
and I could fix it. You're immediately the good one.
If you cannot fit the get immediately but you searching
searching your shirt. So it was a very difficult job
or he's not good enough. Yeah.
No. No.
Because you need to see the whole picture this, and if you
give people the time and they fix it, very, very nice.
And if they could solve it by themselves, very, very nice.
And if they don't know, well, they don't know, you don't need
to shoot them for that they just don't know.
Yeah. I'm a very realistic person.
I think so. Yeah.
Don't don't, don't don't make drama for nothing and the world
is full of drama now sure. Yeah.
And and also it not well yeah, drama is is a good word.
I think people people are losing the point.
They're they're trying to distract themselves from
Essentials. Yes.
So and that you see often we do training people go for six years
in a wrong direction, there is a big problem and then oh but he
didn't know on five minutes but the years before that we forget.
Sure. Hands, I have prepared the short
and quick game called the keyword Fast Response game.
So, I have some, some short phrases or keywords, and I would
like you to answer them as fast as possible.
So, not not a lot of thinking and the shortest possible, and
then afterwards, we can pick two or three to discuss them, maybe
a little bit more. All right, great. many, I think,
because I don't know, but but most of us fail at this game
because also me sometimes and moderating the whole thing start
to ask questions in between, but I tried to to not interrupt the
think I will interrupt, but it's okay.
Okay. So number one, the development
of talk sports since you're in Dog Sports.
Now, it stops already the development in dog sport.
What, what, what what's the did? Well today, I don't know
whatever you think about it, it became harder or softer.
Easier to complicated. Okay.
Well, Better. Okay.
Next one. When or with what age, can you
see the full potential of a dog? No idea when he's ready.
Being self-employed, not easy. New yes, right.
Sport, dogs and working dogs. Are they come the same?
The same. What's your favorite dog sport?
And we week a sport and BBK. And is there any dog sport that
you know, of that you would like to participate in or or no, you
think about it. Nothing else.
And the favorite place you've ever been to when traveling the
world what was the nicest place that you can think of?
I have to nice places that I love and that's Sweden and
Australia. Of course, what a question, very
difficult with the rules there. But yes, yeah, I guess in both
countries. Write-in vote.
Yeah. Okay, so this was where the
keywords I think you did great after after a slow beginning,
but maybe I didn't explain it very good.
So, What I thought what was really interesting was the
answer no idea for when or at what age you can see the full
potential and how do you select dogs or how do you help others
to select dogs? What are some key criteria is
interested a feeling or is it the the bloodline or the
genetics quote genetics are always.
No, I think everything is what you prefer by yourself.
If you as a person, like, I don't know, black car.
Well, the green one. It's out.
It's what you prefer for me, myself.
I like a little bit. The lazy dogs.
I like it. Yep.
A little bit. Lazy dogs.
I like a little bit to dogs that become adult quite late that I
like more. I like to see nice active work.
But as a dog, I like a little bit, lazier talks.
Okay, what's the difference between?
Sorry, I didn't want to interrupt, you know, what's the
difference between the Lacey are the faster?
Golden? You always is the first, Talk.
Does he has drive? Or does he has nerves often?
A lot of people don't know it anymore.
So I like, yeah, I like a little bit.
The The Lazy Dog that Everything's okay.
Life is okay. Ever, whatever happened.
It's okay. But the other side, I like that.
He has dry but that's something that you need to open a little
bitter but as dog, Lazy Dog alike.
So, is it at the lazy dog has strong a nerves?
Or am I getting it? I believe, I believe that.
And it's my own belief. I believe that lazy dog Yeah.
Often has the stronger nurse. Yes.
Yeah. But like I say that something
personal And really selecting well, sometimes. when you know
the full potential if, you know, the whole story, Where the adult
dog is raised, where he's trained with, who everything?
And that's all so difficult. And at the end, the good one is
a good one and a bad. One is a bad one.
But the bad thing that happens. Now they make from a bad one.
A good one. And then a little bit, nice
movies, probably to Allah, but it's still a bad one and I think
people need to be a little bit more.
Angst against himself to say hey yeah, it's a bad one.
I totally am totally on the same page.
I think we get. We trick ourselves too much.
As he said, he was with fun movies and nice music.
And of course, if there is a lot of music already on videos and I
also make sometimes little movies with a little bit of
music shirt if it's always with music, Etc.
It's not about dog training anymore.
Yeah, yeah. It's if it's the same with dog
training. If you're a dog trainer and and
I don't know, you're much more busy with with phones and shit
and stuff instead of the docks. Yeah you cannot hear them.
You cannot feel the next to you you know nothing.
It is like that. Yeah, and dog training.
The essence of dog training is training.
Yeah right yeah that's it that's it.
Every people need to work because people compare often but
they need to work towards a goal and for me it's always funny
that people compare one dog or one trainer whatever and another
trainer But one trainer always stay in the training mode and
another training trainer want to go to the end result and the end
result when you want to compete. Yeah, that means that the animal
need to do everything without food without the ball, without
the color without the pinch collar without the Eco or
without everything. So, Who's the best at the end,
maybe there is no best but the person that want to teach his
dog to work, always for nothing because in he liked the job, he
need to do the job. Hmm, he's training.
Methods are a little bit different because his goal is a
little bit different. And I respect that the lot.
But that also means that not everything succeed and sometimes
there is a bad training. Sure.
And that trainings are necessary.
Not always but it is necessary. Yeah, it's part of the game.
It's a part of the game but that's something that a lot of
people forget and start to forget.
I think due to the internet and things like that, but and that's
a pity Yeah, it is. And as you say due to all the
social media, the videos and we get fooled because many times,
we just see few seconds of the few behaviors that just work
perfectly fine, but maybe that was come again, we get non-stop
food. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All day after day. And and if you don't get real
yourself from time to time and you're training the dogs
yourself, you will you won't realize that.
First of all, it's, it's hard work.
It's a lot of effort and failing is a big or it's a part of the
game and it's necessary to Define allows every where to go
and what to do. But at the same at the same
point, you said the development of talk sports became better.
So how is that? Because few all that, sorry.
Few other trainers that I talked to said well the aux ports and
maybe things look a little fancier than back then.
But the rules are getting getting too soft, too.
You can't put enough or the same pressure on the dogs.
It's like back then. So also the all the breeding
programs are decreasing in quality.
So now you said it's getting better and I'm curious.
Well, on that certain topic the people are right.
What I mean is that the people have?
And then I see to myself, they have more knowledge.
But if they lose Would you use this knowledge with the same
idea from the best? Then it will go up.
But if you use the lot of knowledge and then make
everything weaker. That's also not, not really
smart. And of course, in the past There
were decisions made that were not so good and and in the
future for sure and now for sure and in the future it will also
be that from from every from all times.
But with the knowledge that the people now have I think it was
never been that much of knowledge so on that part for me
it's better on the breeding that gets of course worship with the
the pool is smaller. Hmm.
And then yeah. Every sport is under attack.
So everything needs to be easier and nicer and the event.
That's also very good and very good, very bad.
Sorry. Yeah.
And it's a big problem and it will not be a problem only for
the sports but it will be a problem.
We don't have dogs anymore in the future.
Yeah, but also I think and that's a shame and because
making things easier is not just about Dog.
Sports is also like slider. Yeah, you want you want to go to
the police or military? The Dupree, the pretest to go?
Oh, there are going to be easier because there are too few people
that still make it. But what does that say about
about the attitude of the safe of people?
It's horrible. It's really is horrible.
And and for example, if you want to do, I don't know, a bite
sport. Hmm.
I don't want to attack anyone for and you want to do it with
the poodle. We'll try it with your poodle.
It's okay. It's okay, but if you have 5
poodles, don't change the sport. So that you can win and work
with your know, Jake's the sport and do something else, what?
Yeah, these animals need to do. So that's, that's wrong.
That's not okay. Yeah, it's not okay.
If a dog cannot jump. I don't know. 1 meter.
Yeah, then it's, we don't need to make the jump lower, we need
to change the dog, right then. Find something else for the
animal, give him a good life and so on, and so on, but don't
change the sport. it's yeah, it's not okay because the bad
one will become the good one and that's happening now, and too
often. Yeah, yeah, things are seen with
the, as we say in German with pink glasses.
Of course, like the same in Belgium.
Yeah, let's let's move on hands. I hope you still have a little
more time a little bit. Yeah.
So what do you think was one of the biggest mistakes that you
did in training? I made a lot but maybe there's
one this. Well, no, I think it's changed
every mistake or maybe the mistake did at the moment
something bad but afterwards, give something good.
So I don't want to say that specific thing.
What I want to in dog training, I dare to make my decisions and
I also have to make decisions for other people and That's a
mistake that I maybe have to do less because you make decisions
for other people for the animal and then afterwards people are
not always thankful for that and that's not the one thing.
But afterwards, you make the decision.
That's something. Yeah, that's maybe one mistake
that that I make. So K people, some people like
it. Other people don't like it, but
at the end, they push you a little bit in that direction,
especially if things don't work out.
That will that, that happens and it's always do to other people,
don't dare to make decisions. Then I will make a decision that
sometimes I need to think more. Yeah, yeah.
What is the worst advice that someone ever gave to you?
The worst. Yeah.
Also not easier poop. I cannot say that.
I have no idea. I have totally no idea.
I'm not into quotes and advices than and I I I do my thing and
that's it. Yeah but let's let's let's try
this one hands. If you had the chance today to
try to time travel back and meet the 20 year old hands.
What would you tell him? This.
Yeah, a little bit pessimistic. It's a very dirty World outside
and somehow it's an unbelievable.
Nice World outside. Because of come out of a hobby.
And because of I have the passion sometimes, okay?
You want to do good for dogs and people.
But on the other side people think in another way.
Yeah, a twenty-year-old that that I didn't knew though.
Mmm. So, yeah, but can I change it?
No. Can I change my way of thinking?
Yes button. I would not be the same person
anymore. Totally.
So I and I have changed for sure.
Yeah, yeah, I think that this is one of the most interesting
questions throughout the past, 30 episodes, asking different
people. What they were.
Advice they would have given themselves.
I think that's that's quite interesting to hear because some
people would say they wouldn't give themselves any advice
because things turned out. Good others.
Would put a lot of advice since they have a lot of life in the
end at the end, all these good and bad things made you made for
exactly who I am. Yeah.
So if it turns out good and at the moment I'm I'm I'm very
thankful, very thankful to all the people that want to listen
to me to the people that I met in the past.
First, my big teachers, very thankful to them.
So I am very thankful but the good and the bad moments.
Yeah, make me as a person like I am now.
Yeah, right. But about these things.
I don't think too much. It is like that cannot take it
anymore. It's good.
What are you really proud of? To stay humble?
Yes, it's good one. For myself, stay humble.
Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
Yeah that I still like it also yeah that's a good thing.
I'm proud of and of course, do I am proud.
I'm proud of What I do and what I did and result twice in dog,
training them and maybe also in life.
But I'm far from what I want, but no being humble.
I think it's a big one. How do you reward yourself?
Just do what I like to do. I don't need specific Rewards.
No. Okay, no.
So now I have something that. So in the end of the episode, I
have a question for the guests that was asked by the guests
before or who didn't, who didn't know, who is next, right?
So, yesterday, actually yesterday I had the last episode
made with my colleague. Chris Duffy sofa.
He's also working with me in the COO of the company, but he's
also a full-time. Police officer police dog
instructor context instructor and he didn't know whom, he's
asking the question too. But I told him that it's okay if
it's about bite work. So so his question is That's the
B technique pushing or pulling say anything about the quality
of the dog or is it just a learned behavior that happened
or was enforced? Well, you can teach these
things. but at the end when the moment is their nature, always
show up, always and I Believe a lot in in calmness of of the
bite. And yes, I have a good one, is a
good one again and if we talk by the goods, any push and and you
do whatever you want for not pushing and he still push,
that's a good one. So that you don't need to
reinforce that much because the dog and some dogs.
Yeah, you have examples that really are good and I do believe
that these things help with the The confidence with animal that
I also believe maybe some dominance etcetera, I believe
these things. Yeah.
So we said, do you prefer the Porsche or the polar?
I come out of the sport so we all liked pushers pushers, all
right? Yes.
Yeah, yeah. So hands.
Now it's your turn if it's a big pulling bite my belly hurts, but
in the other sports some pulling is needed and yes, still if
they're the pulling is in a nice.
Way then it's still nice. Sure.
But if I need to choose something, yes, then it's a
pushy. Okay, it's good.
I have no knowledge about it. So I don't have an opinion.
Unfortunately. But hands now it's your turn.
Now, you can ask a question for my next guest, not knowing who
it will be? That's a difficult one.
Yeah, so take your time. Cool.
What are the further dreams of that person?
Dreams goals in the future. To make.
I think it's also a dog person interprets, the doctors and
yeah, sure to make our Way of thinking about dogs, dogs
rights, Etc, better. So yeah.
That's my question. All right, I think it will be a
German. Guest.
So I will translate the answer for you. so we have reached the
end is there, is there anything else that you would like to
point out that we you would like to say well, I think that yeah,
we all just need to keep trying and doing our best, and That we
sometimes use our brains more than our emotions and beside
that. Yeah, I think everyone to watch
this. I hope they watch and I also
will do watch more episodes from keynote egg and will be great.
I thank you for the invitation again and yeah.
Nothing, nothing specific, nothing more.
If people have a question for me, also, always, welcome.
You can reach me. You can ask me.
And I think if they have a question for you, it's the same
answer. Sure, sure.
If it's okay. I will put your contacts of the
website, your social media, Etc, in the show notes, so people can
just click and drop a question or reach out to you.
Once we have Met before we've had a short phone call last
week. I really enjoyed the talk so
thank you for taking the time and giving me the chance to
getting to know you a little bit better.
Hopefully hopefully we can meet somewhere else somewhere.
So let me know when you travel to Austria and I will let you
know when I travel to Belgium or somewhere close every so I guess
you will have some maybe some tea and Maybe some dog training.
Yes, I don't, we go for it again.
Great. So take care have a good day and
thanks for your time again. Thank you, perfect.
See you later. Bye bye.
Thank you.