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We get nonstop fooled. 
Ya whole day after day. 

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And and if you don't get real 
yourself from time to time and 

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you're training the dogs 
yourself, you will you won't 

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realize that. 
First of all, it's, it's hard 

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work. 
It's a lot of effort and failing

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is big or it's a part of the 
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So, hello, everyone. 
This is a new episode of cannot 

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talk like, you know, Tech and I 
have the great pleasure to 

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welcome an internationally known
trainer decoy. 

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And it's no other than 
Huntsville, prison, I hunt. 

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I got, I I got attracted to your
training videos, I think on 

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Instagram, so The the algorithm 
and popped up some of some of 

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your videos. 
And and I started following your

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your page and I started to to 
how to say yet to find out a 

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little bit more about you and 
watch some more videos. 

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And as I told you last week, 
when we had a phone call, a 

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friend of ours, or contact of 
ours, once asked me to follow 

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him to work. 
A group of yours in Austria. 

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Unfortunately, back then I 
couldn't attend but I was really

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interested. 
So finally I thought, well, 

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maybe if I couldn't visit your 
Workshop I just tried to get you

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to the do the podcast to get to 
know. 

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You do to new by the on this 
way. 

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And lucky me, it worked out. 
So thanks for taking the time. 

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And you're very, welcome to the 
show. 

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Show. 
Hello well, thank you for the 

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invitation. 
Yeah. 

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And yeah, I don't do a lot of 
podcasts. 

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I also don't make a lot of 
videos and things like that with

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a little bit of Reason. 
Yes. 

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But yeah, I'm always. 
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and I'm also happy that we can 
we can we can talk about about 

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the normal things. 
So right. 

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No, thank you from from my site 
also, for the invitation and 

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yeah, looking forward, great. 
So I checked out your homepage 

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and first of all, that, that 
looks great, it's very clear and

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I got some nice stator. 
Um, nice statistics. 

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You show them like 23 years plus
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15 years plus of experience in a
popo, the coin and so on. 

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So so that is great right now. 
Your full-time dog trainer in 

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decoy, right? 
Well that's quite funny. 

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In fact, a full-time, since 
approximately one month. 

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Yes. 
Oh wow, yes. 

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That's yeah, quite funny. 
I always for 15 years, not 

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always, but for 15 years, I 
worked at a German company as a 

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technician, all right? 
And I had my dog business, as a 

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side job first. 
It was a hobby, like, always, 

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and then apparently, Maybe I do 
something. 

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Okay. 
Then I get a little bit 

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questions to do things and then 
you have to, you have to do 

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things, sure. 
So then, it will become a short 

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side job. 
If you have a side job yet, then

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it's not only a hobby anymore. 
But then you need to work and It

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has Sno ball it be. 
Yeah, right bigger and bigger. 

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And the last year's it was not 
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But yeah, honestly I do to The 
Cove it and the corona, I was a 

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little bit worried and careful 
because the whole world was was 

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closed and larger you never net.
In our country. 

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When we work somewhere in the 
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we don't go out of the shop. 
If you have good job, if you 

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have sureness in your work and 
so on, yeah, a little bit. 

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Yeah, normal here. 
And maybe a little bit thinking,

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like the old people think. 
It is. 

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Okay, I stay as long as I can. 
But then, yeah, you're busy 

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non-stop 24 hours, and do that a
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Yes. 
But then it need to stop. 

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So in fact, yeah, a few weeks 
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full-time, dog trainer, Right. 
Congratulations for that. 

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Well, to this decision for me, 
not a lot will change. 

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So there are not a lot of 
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Only time wise is a little bit 
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Sounds strange, but I have a 
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with no, it's okay for the 
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So and it is how it is. 
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anything and I still see dog 
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Big, of course, a big hobby that
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because I, I prefer more The 
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Then the you have to a little 
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me the passion behind the sports
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Is is yeah, still a little bit 
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But that's a, that's a big, a 
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It's a big privilege. 
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passion for what you're doing 
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because we are not all doing the
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Specially for getting rich or 
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we just loved the dog training, 
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share the same passion. 
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great great thing to do. 
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it's very it's it's the opposite
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You mean in the, in the in the 
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dog business Community. 
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And that's also okay, that's 
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what they want to do. 
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to do their best if they want. 
And and and and everything will 

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work out somehow so or if that 
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something else that We'll work 
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and for you for everyone, but 
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with animals, if you work for 
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it's always better than somebody
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example, because you will see it
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Yeah, yeah, right. 
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So for me, that's now. 
A decision that I made for the 

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for the dogs but I'm in my whole
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when I was a child I mean to do 
Sport and that's why the numbers

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that you said before. 
Yeah I think they are quite big 

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already because of my young age 
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please, right? 
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that's what I've learned from 
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And then you got your first own 
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already and he said that one was
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How did those things started? 
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the training course or why did 
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Well I got into dock training 
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Okay. 
I have three ball drop Brothers,

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one sister tube two brothers 
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Hmm. 
They are there they're older 

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than you. 
Yes they are. 

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Much older. 
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first. 
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years obedience class but they 
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me. 
Oh wow. 

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Yes a lot. 
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parents had a Business at home. 
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So I think the easiest way was 
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dogs and with me at the same 
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I didn't ask them, but they had 
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The first dog was a female when 
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there they started and the first
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honestly, but I do remember that
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my head that I could go to, to 
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Saturdays, in the morning, that 
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school. 
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a little bit, the whip from my 
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or do something there because in
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one and I didn't like school. 
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And then I got my own dog, that 
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my brother to learn, to take 
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him cleaning the kennel because 
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and then walk him, and you have 
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I could train a little bit, but 
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Doc from 10 years and older 
good. 

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Yeah. 
No, it was, it was nice that I 

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still remember. 
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He died. 
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puppy, and so on, and so on, and
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And then, One brother is dealing
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Sport at the moment. 
It's all right. 

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To compete. 
Yes. 

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Also belching ring and vbk and 
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then I little by little I got 
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people that ask me advice and 
then you try to do your best but

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I'm not a big speaker for in the
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It was totally not a big 
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So I do it now and without any 
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past it was a big big problem. 
Okay, cool. 

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And yeah, because it was the 
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about the Dock Sports that I 
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Surviving my own bubble. 
And from that it's always the 

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same with animals with people, 
you get a little bit more 

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confidence and so on and so on. 
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something good, it grows, if you
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Well it disappear, very easy so 
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long time busy with animals 
first year, I was very bad 

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things and very wrong things. 
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day because I didn't knew better
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maybe connections and 
possibilities but also from this

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Moments. 
I learned a lot. 

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Sure. 
And I was and I'm still very, 

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very happy about it and and very
thankful that I have the 

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possibility as a young guy to 
see a lot of old trainers and 

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the trainers in the past that 
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but had had it in the fingers 
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now still have a dog Sports and 
dogs and for that, I'm very, 

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very thankful that I had the 
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see these old people train and 
work with animals because at the

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end, everything comes back 
somehow. 

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And now I can make an 
explanation from what they did 

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in the past. 
Because of the knowledge. 

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But they had it in the fingers 
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an extra sure. 
Yeah. 

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And it's a lot different. 
How they learned back then, 

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compared to how we learn today 
because we have the internet 

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with social media, we have 
possibilities to read studies 

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online, buy books, Etc, drive 
here, and therefore workshops 

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that I think workshops and 
working and training. 

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Back then was just slightly 
different because you just 

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didn't know that much about what
a dog trainer does. 100 km, or 

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in a, on another continent and 
to lathes everything is getting 

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a little smaller. 
At least it feels like that. 

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Yep, but I do think that the 
selection from one box, for sure

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was harder to people, for sure 
was harder a good. 

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One is always a good one. 
If it's a dog, if it's The 

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person, it's a great, he cannot 
explain things but he can do 

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things for sure. 
And in the best to be would be 

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the same if you were not good 
enough at a strainer or you go 

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to talk to the doc club or 
training fields for the social 

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aspect, or you stay home. 
That's it. 

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So, I think the selection was 
Harder. 

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And on that case, better 
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Because now now, it's almost 
impossible that people say, oh, 

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a bad one is a bad one. 
No. 

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Then we find another sport or we
change the sport more. 

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It's not allowed to say anymore,
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Ready line. 

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How old are you? 
If I may ask. 

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Yes. 38 is here 38. 
Okay. 

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How did you because you're from 
Belgium is I think Barton Barton

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Michelle are also from Belgium. 
Right? 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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And how do you know in the USA? 
But yeah. 

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Okay. 
And that I think was a big 

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impact on you so you've got to 
connect it to the nape. 

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Oh and you did your instructor 
qualifications so it says on 

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your homepage to sorry. 
I'm really not knowledge of 

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knowledge. 
You about this and your gold 

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instructor or a multiplier of 
the yes. 

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So for me, my story in that case
started also a lot of years ago,

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when I was a child, I I 
remember. 

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Bart competed with sweet salt 
and my brothers know him from 

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longer from the past with his 
flip from the 90s. 

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So the, the ring sport World in 
Belgium is quite small. 

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So we, we knew each other. 
I would say it like that and 

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then, but I was a child, so I 
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but I didn't, um, as a person 
that I know em. 

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Now, And then yeah I had the 
pleasure that I was allowed to 

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go or in fact, the club ask me 
there to come English in their 

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Club part was and beside that I 
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seminars in Belgium, France, 
Germany and so on. 

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So I knew that there was 
something else than than what, 

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what, what I did in the best but
I didn't knew what so I started 

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to search. 
Yeah, and okay, let's see. 

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How is it possible that this 
person since the history? 

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What he did to be docks, what'd 
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So I went to go up and watch and
visit the seminars and so on and

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so on. 
And then I was I got a question.

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I'll do you want to come in the 
clock and first, I didn't want 

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to come in the club there. 
Okay. 

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Why is that? 
Well, why is that? 

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I think, maybe a little bit of 
insurance for myself honest, 

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right? 
Yeah. because these guys at the 

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moment you have there you are 
and then still they were on my 

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line and and I think I was not 
Maybe not brave enough. 

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I don't know at that moment. 
So but at the end, I went to the

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club there and we trained a lot 
together. 

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And so on, we were Club days 
with us together. 

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Yeah, we trained a lot and then 
the school started years after. 

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And yeah. 
Then I decided to go to the 

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schools and so they have a 
silver school and that's Theory 

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Theory, only now it's called new
silver school. 

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That time it was silver school. 
Then they have the gold school 

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that was one week of practice 
and now it's hoped the new gold 

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School. 
New gold school is about The 

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goals nabucco trainers including
me 11 but there are a lot of 

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them on the website from Naboo 
training. 

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Every goal trainer that want can
become a multiplicative and they

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can teach now other new silver 
students. 

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So it become a gold new goals, 
to the student, And there are a 

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lot of them but my story 
started, in fact, a long time 

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ago. 
The, if I hope you world's 

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witness. 
That's why. 

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Yeah, I have a few years of 
Naboo, training in front of me, 

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great. 
And what is it that you offer 

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today to your clients? 
So because you work with sports 

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people You work with pet people,
you work with agencies, and I 

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saw on your homepage, your you, 
you will be busy or you are 

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busy. 
You will have workshops in 

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Poland, Ecuador, UK, and the 
USA, of course, Australia. 

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So, who are you dealing with 
there? 

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In fact, it's simple. 
Everybody that want to listen to

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my story. 
Okay, can one come to me here or

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ask me? 
And I will go, that's very black

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and white because the dog is the
dog. 

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Hmm. 
And if the dog need to be a pet 

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dog? 
Yeah, the roof or the same, the 

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using of the rules is a little 
bit different because it is 

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sports dock, or work working dog
or a dog for agencies or 

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Whatever dog is a dog and the 
learning process is the same. 

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So what do I offer from my 
sight? 

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One my story and to everybody 
can can can visit me call me and

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so on and so on seminar workshop
training week Etc and now also 

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the new Naples pool gold course 
that on that some of them. 

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But but what made people To to 
follow you. 

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, 
is mainly the pipework and and 

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what is done in ndpk or do you 
also do a GP or monitoring or 

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cane? 
PV, or well, I have people from 

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other sports on during and came 
to be and a cheapy that ask my 

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advice in. 
In their training. 

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I'm not a specialist in other 
sports I'm not a specialist in 

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my sport. 
I don't dare to say for myself 

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that I'm a specialist. 
So I know something and I want 

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to share something but I will 
not say that the time the 

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specialist. 
But yeah, how come that that 

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they follow me or want to know 
something about me? 

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I think. 
I'm a very neutral person black 

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and white. 
And if I like it, I will say, if

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I don't like it, I will also 
say, but I'll try to find the 

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better way and I try to help 
people and I think that 

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Everybody can ask me something. 
If you have a poodle, for 

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example, and you have a problem 
with the sit, I will try to help

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you so I'm easily reachable, 
maybe that's also not good but 

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but I'm very interested in the 
behaviors and I'm very 

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interested in all kinds of dog 
sports or work from docks. 

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And I think that's the reason 
why 11 system is successful 

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because the system you can use 
in the big big in the whole 

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world. 
Yeah, I think that that's the 

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main reason that I am. 
Like, I say, I am not all 

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specialists in one specific 
program and I'm not a specialist

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in all programs. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, and that makes sense. 
We can't be we can't be 

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specialist everywhere. 
That's that's the definition of 

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of Specialists even though 
you're too humble to to say that

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you are and traveling traveling 
around the world doing different

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kinds of workshops meeting, 
people meeting you, and it's is 

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there a nickname that got stuck 
on you. 

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Not that I know. 
Okay. 

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So it's basically Hans yes not 
that I know if there is some I 

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really want to know it. 
All right and how many, how many

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dogs are you having right now? 
Honestly now only one and it's 

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an okay, okay, he's now how old 
is he? 

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Eight years eight and a half. 
I think something like that. 

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Now, I have the problem that I 
don't train a lot because I'm 

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not often at Hope. 
My young dog moved to Austria 

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during sport, dog, that will now
be 90 P by p 0. 

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Okay? 
Yes, But now for the moment I 

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have I have no, don't know time,
I don't want that. 

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Other people are a slave from my
dogs, so I'm very, very happy 

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that I have one brother that 
want to take care about my 

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animals, but of course, he 
didn't choose to take a dog. 

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Extra. 
A lot of weeks in a year. 

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Sure more. 
So yeah. 

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No, I'm very thankful but I have
to A. 

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Every time when I'm at home, I 
will be at the club to help 

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others, okay? 
Always always because also due 

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to my club members and people. 
I had the possibility and I have

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the possibility to do what I do 
now. 

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So, I am very thankful for that.
And, and, and that also mean, I 

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go to the club and I do my best 
for the animals, like, it would 

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be my own box. 
Otherwise it's a team sport. 

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Sport sport. 
Is team sport. 

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Yeah, it is. 
And you need to do and you need 

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to train and you need to work a 
lot alone but at the end, you 

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also need the people around you 
at a certain moment. 

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Sure. 
Do you also compete still 

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competing it's lower demands? 
No nothing but you did I did 

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yeah. 
Also long time ago. 

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Already know. 
I think it's last time was in 

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2010 outline so it's a long time
in the N. 

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VB K. 
What keeps you motivated? 

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Why why is it that you have 
still so much fun? 

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In dogs. 
Yeah, that's a good question. 

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For me, the sport wise, source 
for twice the the Rings Porter 

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and vbk sport is one of the 
nicest sport that there exists. 

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Sport wise, docs for twice. 
And for that I still have so 

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much passion because I just love
it. 

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I like I like to do. 
I like to see and then end 

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because you can train a lot of 
pictures but still there are a 

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lot of a lot more pictures that 
the dogs don't or didn't saw and

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you still need to do them and 
it's an endless story. 

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So you need to have passion for 
that. 

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Otherwise it stops why I like it
for other sports I do I do. 

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Don't know, I have no idea, but 
I like to train the dog. 

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I cannot say. 
That I like dogs. 

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I don't like the dogs, I like 
dogs but I don't want to talk 

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even. 
I Know It with each much better 

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for the animal to live next to 
the Handler inside the house. 

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I don't want a dog in my house. 
Okay, sorry, yeah, I don't need 

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it, but I like to train dogs and
I like to do bite work with dogs

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and, and end because I like to 
have from it. 

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It's interesting how they react 
and the behaviors behind. 

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I like that a lot. 
You think that gives you a 

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certain Clarity on dogs because 
it little bit, it puts away the 

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emotional part that we have when
we also keep them as pets. 

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So, for example, I have my dogs 
inside with me and Because right

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now I don't have the possibility
I would have the possibilities 

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to build the kennel outside but 
it doesn't make sense. 

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We're in the village with 
neighbors are everywhere so I 

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think we did the noises okay 
yeah maybe maybe different 

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mentalities also in the 
community. 

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The the next place I will move I
move in three weeks. 

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So there we will have some 
candles and I'm really looking 

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forward. 
Although also to have the dogs 

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little bit more often outside of
the house and After having them 

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13 years inside. 
But do you think it also? 

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Yeah gives you some not the 
distance but it's like a 

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professional distance to the to 
the subject dog. 

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See them a little clearer. 
Or what they do and how they 

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behave? 
Yes. 

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Because when when I yeah I think
I think for sure yes I cannot 

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say them like I do think if a 
dog always lay next to you in 

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the sofa for example it will be 
another Relationship than the 

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dog that is in the kennel. 
However, my dog's nose, if I 

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have dogs, they know, inside 
life, they know them. 

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But when I see that, okay, you 
know, it's now you go out 

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because I don't want it. 
I want, I want everything a 

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little bit clean and I don't say
that dogs are always dirty, but 

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It's the possibility out. 
Yes. 

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Any thoughts. 
There is a boundary between then

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it is like them and these things
I saw from the old trainers. 

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Sure, in in Belgium, do old 
people, and it's an old way of 

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thinking, and animal is an 
animal and an animal need to 

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stay an animal, you need to be 
good for your animal and your 

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friends, but it's still an 
animal. 

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Yeah, it is like that. 
Okay. 

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So, what about yourself? 
I saw on your, on your homepage,

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apart from dog training 
equipment. 

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You also sell some supplements 
for dogs like for the joints and

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that's very, very recently 
honestly. 

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Okay. 
And and 444 energizing the dogs 

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Etc. 
But what about yourself? 

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Are you a coffee drinker or your
energy drink? 

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Do you drink alcohol? 
You eat meat and is any special 

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diets that you A little or well 
for the people that will see 

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this. 
I eat a lot of salad and they 

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know that okay? 
A lot of salad and vegetables. 

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All right, like them. 
But I do eat meat. 

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I drink not so much but I drink 
a little bit a little bit of 

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coffee. 
Okay? 

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Few years ago, I started to 
drink tea because in fact I am 

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addicted on go I can spray it so
Coca-Cola. 

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I'm addicted, Sprite, I'm 
addicted. 

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So that is the reason why I 
drink. 

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Now a little bit more tea and if
I can a coffee and so on, but I 

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like green tea or something that
pushes you a little bit to 

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energize you or just casualty. 
Yes, yeah. 

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If its water and and with Flavor
and it's hoped for me, it's 

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deep. 
Okay. 

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So yeah, not not, not so 
special. 

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In fact it's just I don't like 
water. 

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There is no taste in it for me 
for myself. 

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So plan B is the every every 
glass of Coke and Sprite that I 

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drink less. 
It's a win. 

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For sure. 
I don't do any sports anymore. 

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You can anymore when I was 
young. 

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I was swimming. 
Hmm. 

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Really young when I was 
swimming. 

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Okay, besides that, I didn't do 
anything. 

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The only thing that I did was in
my life was going to school. 

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Talk train going to work, dog, 
training, finish, nice. 

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It's, it's nice and somehow it's
also get. 

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There is nothing else in my life
from the best. 

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Do you know David Goggins? 
Yes, from name. 

448
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Yeah, of course. 
Yeah, I've just read his book 

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and I'm listening again to the 
audiobook. 

450
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,000
He's, he's a great guy, but he's
uncommon and he has this. 

451
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,000
There is a chapter in his first 
book, which means uncommon, 

452
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,300
Between the uncommon or uncommon
under the income. 

453
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,600
So Maybe, maybe that fits you as
well being a little bit uncommon

454
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,800
doing just the dogs work, dogs 
work and between others, which 

455
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
which is, which is great. 
So, this is nothing to judge, 

456
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,900
but I think I think that makes 
people so knowledgeable 

457
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:28,000
experienced because obviously 
you you invest a lot of time in 

458
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
learning also. 
That's what he said on your 

459
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,100
homepage. 
You just never stopped learning 

460
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,900
because you're always seeing new
things. 

461
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,300
And every dog Works different. 
And that's obviously also why 

462
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:42,200
people reach out to you to 
learn? 

463
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Well I think it's also a little 
bit. 

464
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Everything goes back when to the
childhood in the days that they 

465
00:37:52,600 --> 00:38:00,400
didn't even when I was, Teenager
or even a little bit older 17, 

466
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:06,100
18, 19. 
It was always about training and

467
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:10,800
going to train and see the older
guys again to train the dogs 

468
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,000
every day, and it I had normal. 
You need to, you need to go and 

469
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:25,300
At the club's, it was have from 
after work mostly because every 

470
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:30,000
every person went to his day job
before till midnight, and after 

471
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,800
midnight, and sometimes even 
even close by mornings. 

472
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:46,000
It was yeah, book training and 
Yeah, in my life that was not 

473
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,400
really something else. 
No. 

474
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Yeah. 
That's that. 

475
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:53,300
And somehow it's good. 
Because yes, due to that, I know

476
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:58,500
what I know now somehow. 
It's also bad because somehow my

477
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,200
world is the big big world is 
for me. 

478
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:10,400
Not so big, but don't we say? 
And I've got some too. 

479
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,600
Yes. 
Yeah. 

480
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,600
You cannot have everything 
right? 

481
00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:20,900
It's true. 
So since you're traveling a lot 

482
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:26,700
around the globe, do you use the
time then also to read books or 

483
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:28,800
listen to audiobooks? 
Which movies? 

484
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:32,000
What do you do in your? 
And you're not active dog 

485
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,600
training time? 
I'm not a book reader, it's 

486
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:45,400
mostly if I read two pages. then
it's difficult to stay awake and

487
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:55,800
because I also in school, I 
never learned to To read to 

488
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,800
study I cannot study honestly. 
Okay. 

489
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:05,900
Okay my profession was service 
technician so I learned to work 

490
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,800
with my hands and reading and 
stuff like that. 

491
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:17,200
I it's a Pity because in the 
material that I if I like it 

492
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,100
then I can read a little bit but
still it's not the same. 

493
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,900
I never learned to study and so 
on and that's a little bit of 

494
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:28,000
me. 
Is that they feel now? 

495
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,100
Yes, and it will not become 
better. 

496
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:36,200
I think with becoming older. 
I think that's what I hear from 

497
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,900
other people. 
That's what I do. 

498
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:49,200
I like to watch movies. 
Yeah, that I am and I Like to 

499
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,800
clean my head with that. 
So when I fly it's a trap. 

500
00:40:54,900 --> 00:41:00,600
I am watching movies a lot. 
Any good movie to suggest. 

501
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,000
But no, it's like with music. 
I can listen to every type of 

502
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,800
music. 
Okay, so specific fan of A 

503
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:21,300
certain type of movies. 
I can accept orders and and 

504
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,300
science fiction. 
That's not for me, not okay, 

505
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,800
everything that is a little bit 
normal in the world that that 

506
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:34,000
are like, but if it's a sport 
movie, or an action movie or 

507
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,600
something to love, it's good. 
Yeah, great. 

508
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Yeah, no. 
So, Hans Is there either from a 

509
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:53,100
movie or maybe from dog training
colleague or someone who 

510
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:56,700
influenced you? 
Is there any, any quote that you

511
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,500
have in your mind in some ways 
sometimes? 

512
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,900
Tell yourself or that you like 
to share with the people at the 

513
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,900
workshops, is there anything 
that comes up to your mind? 

514
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:12,800
That's a difficult one. 
I'm not busy really busy with 

515
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,900
these things with quotes, Etc. 
But I think that, 

516
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,200
Just just do what you have to 
do. 

517
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:40,100
That's it. 
It's a simple that it is if you 

518
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:45,500
want to do something. 
Yeah or try or do or get the do 

519
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:51,200
something. 
However, I'm also not the 

520
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,800
strongest in making big 
decisions, okay. 

521
00:42:56,300 --> 00:43:02,300
But at the end, if I want to do,
I want to have and so on and so 

522
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:14,400
on, I need to make decisions. 
Yeah, my brother often said to 

523
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,700
me my oldest brother. 
If you want to eat eggs baked 

524
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:27,100
the Shelf. 
Okay, so yeah, that's for me an 

525
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:30,800
important one. 
If you want to eat the eggs 

526
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,000
break the Shelf. 
Yeah, the Shelf. 

527
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,900
I do how you know, that break 
the egg the after the shell. 

528
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:36,700
Yeah, sure, sure. 
Sure. 

529
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:38,500
Okay. 
Yeah, I am. 

530
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Okay. 
I got it wrong first name. 

531
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:45,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, that makes sense and it is

532
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,400
like that. 
So sometimes thinking and 

533
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:55,700
thinking and keep thinking will 
not bring you anywhere, but from

534
00:43:55,700 --> 00:44:00,800
my inner sides I'm also a tank, 
a big one, and a little bit 

535
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,000
Control District for myself for 
him. 

536
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:11,500
So I think But it grows as you 
grow as a person, you grow as a 

537
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:17,700
person. 
You And when you travel, you 

538
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:21,900
have to when you step out of the
airplane and you're the first 

539
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:26,000
time, I don't know in another 
continent. 

540
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,500
Well, you're there now. 
It needs to happen and you can 

541
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:36,400
take and go what. 
Now we'll go with the flow and 

542
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,800
we see yeah yeah, right, and dog
training, help me with that 

543
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,000
because it's okay my little 
bubble. 

544
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:53,700
And in the bubble, I feel good. 
And you do that. 

545
00:44:55,100 --> 00:45:03,500
It made me better in the rest of
the world and also far less than

546
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:05,400
Michael. 
In fact, Michael from Bart, he 

547
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,500
helped me with that a lot. 
Yeah. 

548
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:17,800
So that's that's nice. 
You know, maybe you notice 

549
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,000
saying that when he ever fall 
down from a horse you need to 

550
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,100
get back up, otherwise it will 
be too afraid in the future and 

551
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:30,900
to the horse riding, has there 
ever been an incident in dog 

552
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:35,000
training? 
That was may be dangerous, or, 

553
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,900
or you had a bad injury from a 
real bite or something? 

554
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:44,400
Was there anything like this? 
I had I had the bad injury. 

555
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,000
Yes, Never I had never. 
And I need to, I never never 

556
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,800
never a big dog bite or myself. 
Okay. 

557
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:55,900
Okay, so I'm very, but I'm 
always careful. 

558
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:02,200
I have to say that I had an 
injury in the past bad knee 

559
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,500
injury, but it never. 
Yeah. 

560
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,600
I was never afraid to to stop or
to go again. 

561
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:19,800
So when it was, okay, after 
months, lot of time, then I went

562
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:25,100
back to the suit, okay, I'm more
scared. 

563
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:33,300
Because I had yeah I know no 
other accident also with people 

564
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:39,200
that say that they understand 
something do to maybe or 

565
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:43,400
emotional or a little bit 
insecure because they are also 

566
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:49,500
in front of people or language. 
Perhaps hmm and so on and so on,

567
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,800
I don't know. 
So I'm in fact, more afraid from

568
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,200
other people. 
Ooh, than from the animals 

569
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,700
because the animal you can read 
the people. 

570
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:08,000
You cannot always read write and
they can say yes and do no or 

571
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,500
opposite. 
See if I had a bad experience 

572
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:18,500
with. 
Without people have you mean? 

573
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:24,200
Because it's, because I guess, I
guess like, like, the Nay popo 

574
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:31,700
is very controversial, right? 
And enter many many have to say 

575
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,200
so, idle Animal Welfare. 
I don't want to read any one. 

576
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,400
But anyway, so have you had any 
attacks towards yourself from 

577
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,400
people who Who just want to bend
the e-collar, for example, or 

578
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,400
two who want to bend the pinch 
color at the end? 

579
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:57,400
I do nothing wrong because that 
and there is nothing wrong. 

580
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:02,100
I explained what I do, yeah, 
where I go, I follow the rules 

581
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:11,200
that I have to follow and 
everybody is allowed to come to 

582
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,000
watch the trainings, always 
right? 

583
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:20,300
And it I don't care what side 
you are. 

584
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,700
I would say it like that. 
Everybody can come and watch the

585
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:25,100
training. 
It's not a problem. 

586
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,800
So, no, I don't have any any 
problems with that. 

587
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:40,500
Did, I had people that say, I 
don't like, A pinch collar or a 

588
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:44,300
choker or any color. 
It's a truck, of course. 

589
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:50,100
Sure. 
And that's okay that they say, I

590
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:56,400
don't like it but then they need
to let me tell the story. 

591
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
And then we see afterwards and a
lot of people said after us, 

592
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,500
aha, sure. 
Now I understand why or why not.

593
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:11,900
Because due to other people, I 
had another another wrong idea 

594
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:16,800
about it. 
And in fact, that's my job. 

595
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:27,900
My job is To tell the story to 
tell how we train but in an 

596
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,200
honest way, I don't want to hide
things. 

597
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,400
I don't want to, I just want to 
tell what I have to tell and 

598
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:41,500
there is nothing to hide. 
There is nothing to, but I will 

599
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:45,200
not say, hey, I come and train 
and I don't use equals, of 

600
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,500
course, I uz covers. 
Of course I use. 

601
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:56,600
Old tools that are necessary. 
But you will not see anything. 

602
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,600
Bad. 
No, no, no. 

603
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,500
I never had issues with that. 
What I don't like is about 

604
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:09,400
people and that's the yeah, that
that from everyone and 

605
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,100
everything. 
The people that say we don't do,

606
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:16,400
we don't do and don't use in a 
big, big big. 

607
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,700
A show and on the other side, 
they use. 

608
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:26,500
Yeah, behind closed doors. 
Yes. 

609
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:33,600
So don't say anything then, but 
just just do what you want to 

610
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,300
do, but don't say anything, what
is not? 

611
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:44,400
Okay, hmm, right. 
Is there anything about training

612
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,400
dogs that has been difficult 
ever since? 

613
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:54,600
Is there anything that because 
we gain experience we get new 

614
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,200
skills, we could become more 
more and more. 

615
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,700
We get the feeling in the 
fingers, right? 

616
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,100
But is there something that you 
have always thought? 

617
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:06,300
Well, That's not gay getting 
easier. 

618
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:14,500
It's still hard one. 
Well, that was a trainer in 

619
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:20,400
Belgium and he said one time to 
me once because I'm a thinker 

620
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,500
and he said, one time to me, 
never ever forget the essence 

621
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:29,900
from the job that the dogs need 
to do if it's searching it 

622
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:34,600
searching, if it's never lose 
that and somehow, it's very, 

623
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,200
very true. 
And there was a moment that I 

624
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,400
was Focusing too much on other 
things. 

625
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:49,900
It's a long time that he think 
maybe 15 years ago that he said 

626
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:54,500
that to me, but that's something
that I will not forget if you 

627
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:56,500
have a search Talk he need to 
search. 

628
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,200
If you have a dog that need to 
do Protection, work need to do 

629
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,800
Protection work and so on and so
on. 

630
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:09,400
So never forget. 
The most important thing what 

631
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:17,700
you do or what they have to do. 
Or their stuff that are more 

632
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,700
difficult, or less difficult for
sure. 

633
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,000
Yes. 
Do I make a lot of mistakes? 

634
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
For sure. 
Yes. 

635
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,100
Will I make more mistakes, for 
sure? 

636
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:35,600
Yes. 
So it stopped raining and The 

637
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,700
only thing what I can do is do 
my best I can do my best if I 

638
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:45,200
don't know, I don't know. 
And that I say in my seminars 

639
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,700
and workshops also I can try to 
see well, I will see, I can try 

640
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:53,800
to help but if I don't know I 
don't know. 

641
00:52:55,300 --> 00:53:02,000
I'm not a magician. 
Right. 

642
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,800
Sorry, I'm just taking some 
notes problem. 

643
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:16,700
The The problem often is with 
the people that the people you 

644
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:21,300
get one minute or five minutes 
and you need to make a decision 

645
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:26,100
over five minutes, but they have
a story from their animal from 

646
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:30,000
235 years and they will never 
tell the whole story. 

647
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:40,600
And that's and you get named in 
these few minutes that you have.

648
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:46,700
And that's not always honest. 
So I think a little bit 

649
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:51,800
different about these things so 
I can do my best if I, if I 

650
00:53:51,808 --> 00:53:54,300
know, I know, if I don't know, 
well, I don't know. 

651
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:59,400
In my service rep, I had that. 
Also if I had to fix something 

652
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:02,100
and I could fix it. 
You're immediately the good one.

653
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,000
If you cannot fit the get 
immediately but you searching 

654
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,900
searching your shirt. 
So it was a very difficult job 

655
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,700
or he's not good enough. 
Yeah. 

656
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,800
No. 
No. 

657
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:18,500
Because you need to see the 
whole picture this, and if you 

658
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:22,600
give people the time and they 
fix it, very, very nice. 

659
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,900
And if they could solve it by 
themselves, very, very nice. 

660
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,400
And if they don't know, well, 
they don't know, you don't need 

661
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,500
to shoot them for that they just
don't know. 

662
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:39,200
Yeah. 
I'm a very realistic person. 

663
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,300
I think so. 
Yeah. 

664
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,800
Don't don't, don't don't make 
drama for nothing and the world 

665
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,200
is full of drama now sure. 
Yeah. 

666
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,800
And and also it not well yeah, 
drama is is a good word. 

667
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,100
I think people people are losing
the point. 

668
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:04,300
They're they're trying to 
distract themselves from 

669
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:06,400
Essentials. 
Yes. 

670
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:13,700
So and that you see often we do 
training people go for six years

671
00:55:13,700 --> 00:55:18,600
in a wrong direction, there is a
big problem and then oh but he 

672
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,100
didn't know on five minutes but 
the years before that we forget.

673
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:34,900
Sure. 
Hands, I have prepared the short

674
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:39,600
and quick game called the 
keyword Fast Response game. 

675
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:59,300
So, I have some, some short 
phrases or keywords, and I would

676
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:03,300
like you to answer them as fast 
as possible. 

677
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:08,200
So, not not a lot of thinking 
and the shortest possible, and 

678
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,000
then afterwards, we can pick two
or three to discuss them, maybe 

679
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:19,300
a little bit more. 
All right, great. many, I think,

680
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:26,200
because I don't know, but but 
most of us fail at this game 

681
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,500
because also me sometimes and 
moderating the whole thing start

682
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:36,300
to ask questions in between, but
I tried to to not interrupt the 

683
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:38,100
think I will interrupt, but it's
okay. 

684
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:44,800
Okay. 
So number one, the development 

685
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,000
of talk sports since you're in 
Dog Sports. 

686
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,400
Now, it stops already the 
development in dog sport. 

687
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,400
What, what, what what's the did?
Well today, I don't know 

688
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,000
whatever you think about it, it 
became harder or softer. 

689
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,400
Easier to complicated. 
Okay. 

690
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:17,300
Well, Better. 
Okay. 

691
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:26,200
Next one. 
When or with what age, can you 

692
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,000
see the full potential of a dog?
No idea when he's ready. 

693
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:43,400
Being self-employed, not easy. 
New yes, right. 

694
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,900
Sport, dogs and working dogs. 
Are they come the same? 

695
00:57:53,400 --> 00:58:01,000
The same. 
What's your favorite dog sport? 

696
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:09,600
And we week a sport and BBK. 
And is there any dog sport that 

697
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,000
you know, of that you would like
to participate in or or no, you 

698
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,100
think about it. 
Nothing else. 

699
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:22,900
And the favorite place you've 
ever been to when traveling the 

700
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,800
world what was the nicest place 
that you can think of? 

701
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:31,400
I have to nice places that I 
love and that's Sweden and 

702
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,200
Australia. 
Of course, what a question, very

703
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,800
difficult with the rules there. 
But yes, yeah, I guess in both 

704
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,400
countries. 
Write-in vote. 

705
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,100
Yeah. 
Okay, so this was where the 

706
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,500
keywords I think you did great 
after after a slow beginning, 

707
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:55,800
but maybe I didn't explain it 
very good. 

708
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:03,800
So, What I thought what was 
really interesting was the 

709
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,200
answer no idea for when or at 
what age you can see the full 

710
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:13,000
potential and how do you select 
dogs or how do you help others 

711
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,700
to select dogs? 
What are some key criteria is 

712
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:21,900
interested a feeling or is it 
the the bloodline or the 

713
00:59:21,900 --> 00:59:24,800
genetics quote genetics are 
always. 

714
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:30,600
No, I think everything is what 
you prefer by yourself. 

715
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:35,200
If you as a person, like, I 
don't know, black car. 

716
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,300
Well, the green one. 
It's out. 

717
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:45,300
It's what you prefer for me, 
myself. 

718
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:49,200
I like a little bit. 
The lazy dogs. 

719
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,600
I like it. 
Yep. 

720
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,200
A little bit. 
Lazy dogs. 

721
00:59:53,200 --> 01:00:04,200
I like a little bit to dogs that
become adult quite late that I 

722
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,800
like more. 
I like to see nice active work. 

723
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:13,200
But as a dog, I like a little 
bit, lazier talks. 

724
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,100
Okay, what's the difference 
between? 

725
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:23,100
Sorry, I didn't want to 
interrupt, you know, what's the 

726
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:26,000
difference between the Lacey are
the faster? 

727
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:32,400
Golden? 
You always is the first, Talk. 

728
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:39,400
Does he has drive? 
Or does he has nerves often? 

729
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:43,400
A lot of people don't know it 
anymore. 

730
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,900
So I like, yeah, I like a little
bit. 

731
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:53,900
The The Lazy Dog that 
Everything's okay. 

732
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:57,000
Life is okay. 
Ever, whatever happened. 

733
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,400
It's okay. 
But the other side, I like that.

734
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,900
He has dry but that's something 
that you need to open a little 

735
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:08,600
bitter but as dog, Lazy Dog 
alike. 

736
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,400
So, is it at the lazy dog has 
strong a nerves? 

737
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,100
Or am I getting it? 
I believe, I believe that. 

738
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:22,300
And it's my own belief. 
I believe that lazy dog Yeah. 

739
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,100
Often has the stronger nurse. 
Yes. 

740
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,200
Yeah. 
But like I say that something 

741
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:43,800
personal And really selecting 
well, sometimes. when you know 

742
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:50,300
the full potential if, you know,
the whole story, Where the adult

743
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:57,100
dog is raised, where he's 
trained with, who everything? 

744
01:01:57,100 --> 01:02:00,500
And that's all so difficult. 
And at the end, the good one is 

745
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,400
a good one and a bad. 
One is a bad one. 

746
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:06,600
But the bad thing that happens. 
Now they make from a bad one. 

747
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,600
A good one. 
And then a little bit, nice 

748
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:16,600
movies, probably to Allah, but 
it's still a bad one and I think

749
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,500
people need to be a little bit 
more. 

750
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:28,800
Angst against himself to say hey
yeah, it's a bad one. 

751
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,600
I totally am totally on the same
page. 

752
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:45,800
I think we get. 
We trick ourselves too much. 

753
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:50,000
As he said, he was with fun 
movies and nice music. 

754
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,000
And of course, if there is a lot
of music already on videos and I

755
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,400
also make sometimes little 
movies with a little bit of 

756
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:02,200
music shirt if it's always with 
music, Etc. 

757
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,100
It's not about dog training 
anymore. 

758
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,900
Yeah, yeah. 
It's if it's the same with dog 

759
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:12,800
training. 
If you're a dog trainer and and 

760
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:18,500
I don't know, you're much more 
busy with with phones and shit 

761
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,700
and stuff instead of the docks. 
Yeah you cannot hear them. 

762
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,900
You cannot feel the next to you 
you know nothing. 

763
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:31,900
It is like that. 
Yeah, and dog training. 

764
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,300
The essence of dog training is 
training. 

765
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:40,400
Yeah right yeah that's it that's
it. 

766
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,300
Every people need to work 
because people compare often but

767
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:56,200
they need to work towards a goal
and for me it's always funny 

768
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:02,100
that people compare one dog or 
one trainer whatever and another

769
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:10,300
trainer But one trainer always 
stay in the training mode and 

770
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:13,900
another training trainer want to
go to the end result and the end

771
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:19,400
result when you want to compete.
Yeah, that means that the animal

772
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:23,100
need to do everything without 
food without the ball, without 

773
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,600
the color without the pinch 
collar without the Eco or 

774
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:30,400
without everything. 
So, Who's the best at the end, 

775
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,100
maybe there is no best but the 
person that want to teach his 

776
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:41,800
dog to work, always for nothing 
because in he liked the job, he 

777
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,600
need to do the job. 
Hmm, he's training. 

778
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:48,600
Methods are a little bit 
different because his goal is a 

779
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:54,100
little bit different. 
And I respect that the lot. 

780
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:01,200
But that also means that not 
everything succeed and sometimes

781
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,500
there is a bad training. 
Sure. 

782
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,500
And that trainings are 
necessary. 

783
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:12,100
Not always but it is necessary. 
Yeah, it's part of the game. 

784
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,700
It's a part of the game but 
that's something that a lot of 

785
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:20,100
people forget and start to 
forget. 

786
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,900
I think due to the internet and 
things like that, but and that's

787
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:32,900
a pity Yeah, it is. 
And as you say due to all the 

788
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:38,300
social media, the videos and we 
get fooled because many times, 

789
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:43,000
we just see few seconds of the 
few behaviors that just work 

790
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,300
perfectly fine, but maybe that 
was come again, we get non-stop 

791
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:50,200
food. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

792
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:56,400
All day after day. 
And and if you don't get real 

793
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,700
yourself from time to time and 
you're training the dogs 

794
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:02,900
yourself, you will you won't 
realize that. 

795
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,200
First of all, it's, it's hard 
work. 

796
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:13,000
It's a lot of effort and failing
is a big or it's a part of the 

797
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,600
game and it's necessary to 
Define allows every where to go 

798
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:24,900
and what to do. 
But at the same at the same 

799
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:28,900
point, you said the development 
of talk sports became better. 

800
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:33,700
So how is that? 
Because few all that, sorry. 

801
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:38,900
Few other trainers that I talked
to said well the aux ports and 

802
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:43,300
maybe things look a little 
fancier than back then. 

803
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:46,800
But the rules are getting 
getting too soft, too. 

804
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,300
You can't put enough or the same
pressure on the dogs. 

805
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,700
It's like back then. 
So also the all the breeding 

806
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:56,800
programs are decreasing in 
quality. 

807
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:02,300
So now you said it's getting 
better and I'm curious. 

808
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:08,500
Well, on that certain topic the 
people are right. 

809
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,400
What I mean is that the people 
have? 

810
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:17,100
And then I see to myself, they 
have more knowledge. 

811
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:24,900
But if they lose Would you use 
this knowledge with the same 

812
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:30,800
idea from the best? 
Then it will go up. 

813
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:34,000
But if you use the lot of 
knowledge and then make 

814
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,900
everything weaker. 
That's also not, not really 

815
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:45,800
smart. 
And of course, in the past There

816
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,900
were decisions made that were 
not so good and and in the 

817
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:53,500
future for sure and now for sure
and in the future it will also 

818
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:57,400
be that from from every from all
times. 

819
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:04,100
But with the knowledge that the 
people now have I think it was 

820
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:09,400
never been that much of 
knowledge so on that part for me

821
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:16,200
it's better on the breeding that
gets of course worship with the 

822
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,200
the pool is smaller. 
Hmm. 

823
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:24,899
And then yeah. 
Every sport is under attack. 

824
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:30,600
So everything needs to be easier
and nicer and the event. 

825
01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:34,000
That's also very good and very 
good, very bad. 

826
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,700
Sorry. 
Yeah. 

827
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,899
And it's a big problem and it 
will not be a problem only for 

828
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:42,500
the sports but it will be a 
problem. 

829
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:44,700
We don't have dogs anymore in 
the future. 

830
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:51,500
Yeah, but also I think and 
that's a shame and because 

831
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,100
making things easier is not just
about Dog. 

832
01:08:56,100 --> 01:09:01,700
Sports is also like slider. 
Yeah, you want you want to go to

833
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:07,100
the police or military? 
The Dupree, the pretest to go? 

834
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,100
Oh, there are going to be easier
because there are too few people

835
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,800
that still make it. 
But what does that say about 

836
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,899
about the attitude of the safe 
of people? 

837
01:09:19,899 --> 01:09:22,500
It's horrible. 
It's really is horrible. 

838
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:29,500
And and for example, if you want
to do, I don't know, a bite 

839
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:30,800
sport. 
Hmm. 

840
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,399
I don't want to attack anyone 
for and you want to do it with 

841
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:36,899
the poodle. 
We'll try it with your poodle. 

842
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,700
It's okay. 
It's okay, but if you have 5 

843
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:48,899
poodles, don't change the sport.
So that you can win and work 

844
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:53,000
with your know, Jake's the sport
and do something else, what? 

845
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:56,900
Yeah, these animals need to do. 
So that's, that's wrong. 

846
01:09:56,900 --> 01:09:59,600
That's not okay. 
Yeah, it's not okay. 

847
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,800
If a dog cannot jump. 
I don't know. 1 meter. 

848
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,600
Yeah, then it's, we don't need 
to make the jump lower, we need 

849
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,200
to change the dog, right then. 
Find something else for the 

850
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,100
animal, give him a good life and
so on, and so on, but don't 

851
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:19,100
change the sport. it's yeah, 
it's not okay because the bad 

852
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:23,400
one will become the good one and
that's happening now, and too 

853
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:29,700
often. 
Yeah, yeah, things are seen with

854
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:32,600
the, as we say in German with 
pink glasses. 

855
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:36,600
Of course, like the same in 
Belgium. 

856
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:41,200
Yeah, let's let's move on hands.
I hope you still have a little 

857
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,500
more time a little bit. 
Yeah. 

858
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,500
So what do you think was one of 
the biggest mistakes that you 

859
01:10:49,500 --> 01:11:00,300
did in training? 
I made a lot but maybe there's 

860
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:03,300
one this. 
Well, no, I think it's changed 

861
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:11,400
every mistake or maybe the 
mistake did at the moment 

862
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,200
something bad but afterwards, 
give something good. 

863
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:19,000
So I don't want to say that 
specific thing. 

864
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:28,700
What I want to in dog training, 
I dare to make my decisions and 

865
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:35,000
I also have to make decisions 
for other people and That's a 

866
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:40,900
mistake that I maybe have to do 
less because you make decisions 

867
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:49,700
for other people for the animal 
and then afterwards people are 

868
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:52,800
not always thankful for that and
that's not the one thing. 

869
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,600
But afterwards, you make the 
decision. 

870
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:02,300
That's something. 
Yeah, that's maybe one mistake 

871
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:08,100
that that I make. 
So K people, some people like 

872
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,800
it. 
Other people don't like it, but 

873
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,100
at the end, they push you a 
little bit in that direction, 

874
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,100
especially if things don't work 
out. 

875
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:23,300
That will that, that happens and
it's always do to other people, 

876
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:26,600
don't dare to make decisions. 
Then I will make a decision that

877
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:30,600
sometimes I need to think more. 
Yeah, yeah. 

878
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,300
What is the worst advice that 
someone ever gave to you? 

879
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:39,700
The worst. 
Yeah. 

880
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:50,600
Also not easier poop. 
I cannot say that. 

881
01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:55,200
I have no idea. 
I have totally no idea. 

882
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:04,300
I'm not into quotes and advices 
than and I I I do my thing and 

883
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:08,500
that's it. 
Yeah but let's let's let's try 

884
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:14,100
this one hands. 
If you had the chance today to 

885
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:18,000
try to time travel back and meet
the 20 year old hands. 

886
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:26,500
What would you tell him? 
This. 

887
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:32,700
Yeah, a little bit pessimistic. 
It's a very dirty World outside 

888
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:38,400
and somehow it's an 
unbelievable. 

889
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:48,000
Nice World outside. 
Because of come out of a hobby. 

890
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:57,900
And because of I have the 
passion sometimes, okay? 

891
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:03,700
You want to do good for dogs and
people. 

892
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,000
But on the other side people 
think in another way. 

893
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:16,600
Yeah, a twenty-year-old that 
that I didn't knew though. 

894
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,700
Mmm. 
So, yeah, but can I change it? 

895
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:23,900
No. 
Can I change my way of thinking?

896
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:27,800
Yes button. 
I would not be the same person 

897
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:28,800
anymore. 
Totally. 

898
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,500
So I and I have changed for 
sure. 

899
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:40,000
Yeah, yeah, I think that this is
one of the most interesting 

900
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:45,600
questions throughout the past, 
30 episodes, asking different 

901
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,400
people. 
What they were. 

902
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,300
Advice they would have given 
themselves. 

903
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:53,600
I think that's that's quite 
interesting to hear because some

904
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:57,200
people would say they wouldn't 
give themselves any advice 

905
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,000
because things turned out. 
Good others. 

906
01:15:03,900 --> 01:15:07,900
Would put a lot of advice since 
they have a lot of life in the 

907
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:14,900
end at the end, all these good 
and bad things made you made for

908
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:17,700
exactly who I am. 
Yeah. 

909
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:24,500
So if it turns out good and at 
the moment I'm I'm I'm very 

910
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:30,300
thankful, very thankful to all 
the people that want to listen 

911
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:32,700
to me to the people that I met 
in the past. 

912
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:38,400
First, my big teachers, very 
thankful to them. 

913
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:48,900
So I am very thankful but the 
good and the bad moments. 

914
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,200
Yeah, make me as a person like I
am now. 

915
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,600
Yeah, right. 
But about these things. 

916
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,400
I don't think too much. 
It is like that cannot take it 

917
01:15:59,407 --> 01:16:01,000
anymore. 
It's good. 

918
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:12,600
What are you really proud of? 
To stay humble? 

919
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:21,500
Yes, it's good one. 
For myself, stay humble. 

920
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:24,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's it. 

921
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:34,300
Yeah that I still like it also 
yeah that's a good thing. 

922
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:37,500
I'm proud of and of course, do I
am proud. 

923
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:48,400
I'm proud of What I do and what 
I did and result twice in dog, 

924
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,600
training them and maybe also in 
life. 

925
01:16:53,500 --> 01:17:01,800
But I'm far from what I want, 
but no being humble. 

926
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:08,900
I think it's a big one. 
How do you reward yourself? 

927
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:17,700
Just do what I like to do. 
I don't need specific Rewards. 

928
01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:23,900
No. 
Okay, no. 

929
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:33,800
So now I have something that. 
So in the end of the episode, I 

930
01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:37,600
have a question for the guests 
that was asked by the guests 

931
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,300
before or who didn't, who didn't
know, who is next, right? 

932
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:45,900
So, yesterday, actually 
yesterday I had the last episode

933
01:17:45,900 --> 01:17:49,700
made with my colleague. 
Chris Duffy sofa. 

934
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:54,200
He's also working with me in the
COO of the company, but he's 

935
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:58,400
also a full-time. 
Police officer police dog 

936
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:06,000
instructor context instructor 
and he didn't know whom, he's 

937
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,400
asking the question too. 
But I told him that it's okay if

938
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:18,400
it's about bite work. 
So so his question is That's the

939
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:24,300
B technique pushing or pulling 
say anything about the quality 

940
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:29,400
of the dog or is it just a 
learned behavior that happened 

941
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:42,000
or was enforced? 
Well, you can teach these 

942
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:48,100
things. but at the end when the 
moment is their nature, always 

943
01:18:48,100 --> 01:19:01,500
show up, always and I Believe a 
lot in in calmness of of the 

944
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:10,900
bite. 
And yes, I have a good one, is a

945
01:19:10,907 --> 01:19:17,300
good one again and if we talk by
the goods, any push and and you 

946
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:21,100
do whatever you want for not 
pushing and he still push, 

947
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:26,500
that's a good one. 
So that you don't need to 

948
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:31,500
reinforce that much because the 
dog and some dogs. 

949
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:38,500
Yeah, you have examples that 
really are good and I do believe

950
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:46,600
that these things help with the 
The confidence with animal that 

951
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:55,500
I also believe maybe some 
dominance etcetera, I believe 

952
01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:56,700
these things. 
Yeah. 

953
01:19:58,300 --> 01:20:02,000
So we said, do you prefer the 
Porsche or the polar? 

954
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:09,100
I come out of the sport so we 
all liked pushers pushers, all 

955
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:09,800
right? 
Yes. 

956
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,900
Yeah, yeah. 
So hands. 

957
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:25,200
Now it's your turn if it's a big
pulling bite my belly hurts, but

958
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:30,100
in the other sports some pulling
is needed and yes, still if 

959
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:32,900
they're the pulling is in a 
nice. 

960
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:35,900
Way then it's still nice. 
Sure. 

961
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:39,600
But if I need to choose 
something, yes, then it's a 

962
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,300
pushy. 
Okay, it's good. 

963
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:45,800
I have no knowledge about it. 
So I don't have an opinion. 

964
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:52,500
Unfortunately. 
But hands now it's your turn. 

965
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:58,100
Now, you can ask a question for 
my next guest, not knowing who 

966
01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:00,200
it will be? 
That's a difficult one. 

967
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:05,100
Yeah, so take your time. 
Cool. 

968
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:15,300
What are the further dreams of 
that person? 

969
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:25,100
Dreams goals in the future. 
To make. 

970
01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:28,700
I think it's also a dog person 
interprets, the doctors and 

971
01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:37,300
yeah, sure to make our Way of 
thinking about dogs, dogs 

972
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:42,600
rights, Etc, better. 
So yeah. 

973
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:52,000
That's my question. 
All right, I think it will be a 

974
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,300
German. 
Guest. 

975
01:21:54,300 --> 01:22:02,500
So I will translate the answer 
for you. so we have reached the 

976
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:05,800
end is there, is there anything 
else that you would like to 

977
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:15,200
point out that we you would like
to say well, I think that yeah, 

978
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:25,900
we all just need to keep trying 
and doing our best, and That we 

979
01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:32,300
sometimes use our brains more 
than our emotions and beside 

980
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:35,300
that. 
Yeah, I think everyone to watch 

981
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:39,200
this. 
I hope they watch and I also 

982
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:44,400
will do watch more episodes from
keynote egg and will be great. 

983
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:49,700
I thank you for the invitation 
again and yeah. 

984
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,000
Nothing, nothing specific, 
nothing more. 

985
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:57,900
If people have a question for 
me, also, always, welcome. 

986
01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,500
You can reach me. 
You can ask me. 

987
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,000
And I think if they have a 
question for you, it's the same 

988
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:06,000
answer. 
Sure, sure. 

989
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,300
If it's okay. 
I will put your contacts of the 

990
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:14,600
website, your social media, Etc,
in the show notes, so people can

991
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,000
just click and drop a question 
or reach out to you. 

992
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Once we have Met before we've 
had a short phone call last 

993
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,000
week. 
I really enjoyed the talk so 

994
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,600
thank you for taking the time 
and giving me the chance to 

995
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,000
getting to know you a little bit
better. 

996
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:37,500
Hopefully hopefully we can meet 
somewhere else somewhere. 

997
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:42,800
So let me know when you travel 
to Austria and I will let you 

998
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:48,900
know when I travel to Belgium or
somewhere close every so I guess

999
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:52,400
you will have some maybe some 
tea and Maybe some dog training.

1000
01:23:52,700 --> 01:23:55,500
Yes, I don't, we go for it 
again. 

1001
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:01,200
Great. 
So take care have a good day and

1002
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,800
thanks for your time again. 
Thank you, perfect. 

1003
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:06,400
See you later. 
Bye bye. 

1004
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:06,900
Thank you.