In US and so and he's surrounded with a lot of scientific,
scientific community in US is kind of huge if you compare with
the scale in Europe. So he has the luxury to all the
testing in the lab. Yeah.
So this is really so everything what he does is backed by
scientific data thanks to the US labs.
Welcome everyone to another episode of Kunotalk.
And today we actually have some scent talk.
I have Gregory Eran with me from Get Sent.
I hope I didn't pronounce it in almost unacceptable way.
We got in touch with Greg. A few weeks ago already and
since we had some questions about get sent tubings for sent
detection as a training aid and we had some e-mail conversation,
Greg and Chris, Chris did the start, then we had a meeting
online and meanwhile we are their partners in Austria to do
the selling of Get sent. Of course we have already.
Tested the product ourselves. Actually, we know it for quite
some time now, and we were skeptical in the very beginning
because we know different training aids and we have always
preferred to work with the real scent.
But throughout the conversation, we got more and more.
Yeah. And interested in the product.
So we bought it, we tested it and now we also sell it and help
others to train with it. But I already get too deep into
the into the talk. Greg, good morning.
Thank you very much for taking the time.
How are you doing today? Good morning, everyone.
I'm really good and so I'm looking forward to discuss more
about Gets and during this podcast.
So yeah, I'm super happy. So Greg, to, to let the others
know, your, your name sounds French, but you're from the
French part of Switzerland, right?
Yeah. So initially, you know, I grew
up in France and I moved like more than 10 years ago in the
French part of Switzerland. So now we can say that I'm
Swiss, you know? OK, great.
And how was it But get extend. The company get send is not your
not what you started with and can you tell us a little bit
about your way of profession and how get Send was found.
Yeah, so since I'm student, I created my first company called
Biodesive. And in Biodesive what we do, we
do material research for everyone, for a lot of different
companies and but we keep time for for us to do, to do our own
research and development. And like it was now like almost
10 years ago, we met like dog trainers.
And yes, they told us that yeah, I would like to train my dog on
a real loader, but I don't have access to the real loader or
it's not safe. I cannot go in the airport.
I cannot go in the train station with the real material and with
also big quantities. So they told us that yeah, we in
the past we are using like cotton goats, like cotton ball
and Q-tips and all this kind of stuff.
And they told us that their dog, we are losing their performance.
So because using this kind of material and we said, yeah, it's
normal because you know, we are as I am a material scientist.
So for us it was like obvious because those material cannot
catch all the molecules and everything started from there
and as this like it was in 2014 and we we started our own
research and development and four years later we we got our
first patterns about get some technology.
Wow. And and now you you do this
worldwide right, exactly. So now we we spin off you know
from our initial company get sent in 2020.
So we we incorporated the company in Switzerland and now
we sell like in more than 40 countries around the world.
We've a strong focus on North America and Australia as well,
New Zealand also in South Africa, but obviously.
In Europe and Switzerland, so I know that in the States there is
sometimes. A legal matter.
And do they accept these tubings as training aids or because
there are some others that they don't accept for police and
military? As far as I know, they accept it
because they order tubes. So yeah, and also in terms of
regulation, you catch only others and so you can travel
with the tubes. There is no restriction.
I already crossed the ocean from Switzerland to US with get and
tubes with like TTP order ones. So everything is fine because
you catch only the order is not is not harmful.
It's not like there is no explosive on it and saying for
drugs and other type of target. So talking about materials and
the sign of materials, there is still a big gap to odors.
So how? How did you work yourself into
the? Subject of orders.
You know if I summarize it like it's others, it's like I would
say polar molecules and our polar molecules and the goal was
to make in one material two things that kind of opposite.
But with my with Quentin, with like the inventor of get and
technology, with me we had the ID to use like what we are using
while we are kids, it's Lego. So what we took, we took blocks
and we put blocks together. So it's kind of Lego.
So it's just after it's sentences and so on.
But at the beginning it's just the idea to bring polar blocks
and polar blocks and to put it together.
And this is called if I make it, I say differently it's we take
positive blocks and negative blocks and with that you can
attract all the volatiles. So it was the idea behind and we
made it happen. And yeah, it's just, you know,
sometimes you come back to your childhood and you have ideas
because it's all about invention, about creativity.
And yeah, we made it like that. So a bit of childhood, a bit of
current knowledge and we bring everything together to create a
get and technology. That's really fun.
A question that I always ask myself is the shape.
How does the shape? Evolve.
So why is it a tube to? To gain the the biggest possible
surface area to Yeah, it's one of the reasons at the beginning
we were afraid about pollution. It was like for us, like a big a
big thing for us and how we can avoid pollution.
And our idea was to make a tubing because we wanted only
one line of contact with with like the ground, with any
surface that you will lay the tube on.
So it's why it's it's like a tube shape and also we remove
the material inside as you said to have like a bigger surface
area. So this was the idea and also
like in Europe we knew that some people were using like other
training yet already in those shape and we didn't want to
change the habits of people. So it's why also we we remain.
Yeah, that's very interesting and we'll also get to could to
the difference between different producers a little later on.
But for now we we we stay with that.
So the the shape why? Because sometimes we incent
detection we always or many times we face the problem that
we. Constantly trained with too
little amount of odors. Was there a thought sometimes to
have this jumbo get sent pipe or that or or is it not necessary
or do you say that also the small tubes can contain a lot of
scent that will be released to the docks nose.
So yeah so because with this the size was not an issue to to
release like huge amount of other.
So I can tell you with gate and tubes you can simulate tons of
explosives with one gate and tube.
So the material has the capability.
We are talking about molecules. It's like tiny things that we
cannot see. So and the capacity of the
storage capacity of the tube is huge.
It can store like four times its own weight.
So it can be like it can be big, really big.
And so yeah, the capacity we don't need to have like a big
jumbo 2. Okay for style, yes, okay for
design. But for training purpose it
doesn't make sense because this one can catch like a lot of a
lot of other. So yeah, so it's why it doesn't
make sense and it will cost too much.
So we on top. It doesn't make sense here.
So let's stick to that. Maybe you can describe the the
blank tubing because we can buy different kinds of tubes.
We have the, I say the the contaminated tubes with target
orders and we have blank tubes to to use for ourselves.
What are the the characteristics of a blank tube?
Yeah, the blank tubes today in the operational conditions can
can be impregnated with any target material.
For example, we take TATP, you put the TATP plus the blank tube
in the glass jar. You close the jar, you wait
more, you wait more. You will get in terms of
concentration what we we say if you have the right setting, with
one day you will get exactly the same amount of TATP.
You wait two days, you will get twice the amount.
So imagine you have access to only 100 gram.
In 10 days you will get 1KG, in 100 days you will you will get
like 10 kg. So you see it's like it's and
you can even if you do it like during several years you can get
a ton. You know what I mean?
But it's really hard to grasp the the idea because we can't
see it, we can't smell it. So but you can't wait it.
If you do it on the short amount of time, it's like milli or even
below milligrams of other, but for a long time, a very long
impression time. You will see that the tube is
gaining weight. We have like special equipment
in our lab, what we call thermal gravimetry analysis and now we
are we are going to release more data on that and it's measured
really accurately the weight and you see on the gates and tubes
you do your, your loading, your own predation and over time you
see the weights which weight is released and and this is we will
publish the data on our side soon to show you that there is a
weight gain and also a release of the weight.
So this is just to make it because we use like Gcms also to
like chromatography but to show you what is inside.
But now we would like also to bring data to show you how is
the release, how much weight you can gain.
So and all these data will be published.
So we have like a big project walking in the background.
That's really cool and we are really interested into reading
that. So when we do the how to say it
when we imprint the tubings you told us in our video call that
it's smart to not have contact between the source and the tube.
Why is that? You know contact is not is not a
big deal, you can have it but we don't recommend having a contact
because if you do a contact you have like a solid solid contact.
So in that case it's difficult to get the gas going around as a
tube. So you you I would say you
shadow one part of the tube so it means that the the molecules
can be catch on the available surface.
So it's why you don't optimize your infregnation.
So it's why we we recommend not having like any contact.
But in some cases you have no choice.
You have to have a contact. It's fine.
Because I I thought about putting it on on the kind of a
string to have it like a necklace and hang it in in the
odor. I just worried that I would
contaminate it with so many different odors while while
putting it on. Or do you have a tip so we use
like metal wire as well for some specific impregnation and in
that case we use uncoated metal wire to avoid any pollution from
like the coating on the surface. So and uncoated metal wire you
you can clinic with with ethanol and after we do like U shape but
at the opposite you know and you can slide the tube on EU so you
have a minimum contact with with the metal wire.
Sure, this works pretty well. Yeah, that's that's good.
That's really interesting. I really liked the description
that you had about the tubes that we could picture it like a
sponge that is taking like a liquid, the Deodor, but.
My question was, and you somehow already answered parts of it and
is it constantly covered or are there can we think that there
are parts of the tube that are having more molecules on it than
other parts? I asked this because we were
thinking about having tubes and and work with the tubes as we do
it with Kong for example, and we cut the Kong in little pieces.
So we were wondering if it's. Maybe it's not smart, but maybe
somehow it's just the only way to get a hiding place.
Can we cut the tube and can we think that there is the constant
amount of odor on it? You know the homogeneity of the
tube. It depends on which scale you
are looking for. You are looking.
We don't recommend cutting the tube if you want to do
impregnation imprinting on the new order.
If it's just a matter of playing the door to have a bit of order
at the beginning of the training, this is fine.
You can cut it, but when you cut the tube you lose a part of the
Spectra of the order. So it means that instead of
having all other molecules you have some the dog.
They are really good, they will eat the tube for sure.
But if it's an imprinting phase where you have to be super
accurate because you want the dog to learn the right thing, I
don't recommend to cut. But if it's something it's a
more playing things like what you we've gone get the beginning
when you want to to create dry when you want to create like a
habit for the dog how to search and some this is fine you know
it depends on what to do is what the get and is used like at
several stage of the training phases.
So it's why it depends where you are in your training phase.
I know that it's not like a sharp answer, but.
Yeah, no, but it makes sense. It totally makes sense to gain
the whole palette of the curators.
Yeah, that makes state that makes a lot of sense.
And actually then it also makes sense to later on to add it to
your progression plan to cut the tubes to on purpose and reduce
the amount of molecules for the dogs.
You can reduce the amount of molecules by reducing the
impregnation time, but the size too big if you want to to train
like really accurate path of search and so and so yeah, so
maybe someday we will sell like a powder of gates and tubes that
you can put like in every small yeah old sensor.
I would really like to have some kind of Jelly to.
Smear it somewhere, for example. That would be really cool.
Powder is, you know, maybe it's already in our research and
development plan. I cannot tell you more.
Okay okay good. So the last week I or the last
few weeks I did some training with my malinois who is actually
a bed bug detection doggate but. As our dogs are always
mistreated as our demonstration and project dogs and he's now
also trained on gun shot residuals Schmauch in German and
to become a firearm detection K9.
So we we trained a lot with shot away shells and different kinds
of calibers and different kind of ammunition etc.
And of course then I got the the the fresh get sent back put it
in the lineup amongst different kinds of distractors and it
worked. So it was, I was really, I was
really happy about that because and those odors that you that
you sell on your website and they got impregnated by an
American company, right, Exactly.
So we work a lot with precision explosives in US.
So we do all the information for us.
We have a license to work with explosives, but also we have a
DEA license to work with narcotics.
So this is. So we do the implementation for
us right now, yeah. Are they also, please forgive
me, maybe my me not knowing it, but are they a scientific
company or do they just train dogs?
So the owner of like of the they are two owners of the company
and they have like extensive knowledge on bombs initially.
It's also your company. No, it's not my company Okay.
This is the 2 owners I would say in the US So we have like a
strong knowledge about bombs. One of the founder was like a
bomb tech. He worked like for many agencies
in US and so and he's surrounded with a lot of of scientific,
scientific community in US is kind of huge if you compare with
the scale in Europe. So he has the luxury to do all
the testing in the lab. Yeah, so this is really so
everything. What he does is backed by
scientific data, thanks to the US labs.
Mm HM, that's good. I should connect with him
because do you know the tubes that you sell?
Are they impregnated for 24 hours?
48 hours, so it depends on which substance.
So for explosives it's like 7 days and also I I don't know by
art, I can level check afterwards, but we can put in
the in comments the quantity, but it's around like 100 between
100 to 200 grams of explosives during seven days.
So yeah, this is also the tendency because initially is
dedicated for the US market and North America market and the
tendencies to have like a huge quantity of explosives instead
of training like on milligrams in Europe is kind of different.
So what you can always do, you can buy like 10 imprenated gets
and tubes and after you can imprenate your tubes with blank
tubes and you do your own imprenation because you can
start from an apprenated one and apprenate the second one, you
know what I mean? And so you will and based on the
time that you you use for the imprenation you will decrease
the concentration on both tubes, sure.
So this is a way also if it's too big for you, you can do your
own implementation atoms. So it's also we we wanted to
have it like really open system because you know we understood
that dog trainers they like to to also do their things in their
own way and also to understand all the the things on on the way
and you are also really innovative.
So all the dog trainers wants to to stretch their dogs and to
stretch their their training is what we noticed when when we
came in this business. So and it's why we wanted to
have like it come back to our childhood.
This is Lego stuff you know you want to play around and to try
some stuff. So it's why we we know we we we
sell the blanket you but we sell also accreted that you can play
on your own way and how you want and we we give you all the
recommendation to make it in the right way as well.
That's good, That's good because we will definitely for our own
purpose, but also for others who who are interested and offer new
impregnated and tubings from the explosives that we use, from the
box that we use, and so on so on.
On your product list, you have explosives.
You have drugs, you have bed bugs, you have.
Bunch of residuals. What else do you have or are you
planning for? We have cadaver, yeah, we have
cadaver, yeah, Okay. Cadaver is booming right now.
There is like a huge need. So thanks to our collaboration
with Precision Explosive, we're able to get cadaver with all the
trustability that we need regarding age balance regarding
because of this is we have all this data when we sell at the
back. So it's very useful for the
trainers afterwards. And also now we are trying to
build a similar relationship in you to be able to supply because
we know that is different. The smell can be different
between your where you because it doesn't impact where you
live, how you eat, which product you eat, how you use the
temperature and everything. So there is like similar
molecules but there are some that we are different.
So it's why we want to to give like a broad Spectra for the dog
trainers and we are building like similar relationship with
with people in you to to be able to to supply like caliber
detection tubes. But that also goes with the
explosives, drugs and bed bugs, etcetera, because our
manufacturers have slightly different components that might
make a bigger difference for the dogs.
And so for sure that will be very interesting, yeah, it's why
I'm super like happy if you can also infinite get and choose
with like EU targets material. So this is like will be a bid
advantage also for us because sure, you know some exactly,
it's both ways. So it will be super interesting
to buy like EU made the TATP, maybe you made it quite
differently or yeah, EU bed bugs can be in front also.
Yeah. But it's like sure, today
honestly we are all learning with others.
Others it's like a new field of research.
So yeah, we could interesting to see the differences if dogs are
trained on US. Bed bugs are reacting
differently with U bed bugs, so this can be really interesting.
The interesting thing there is maybe you know about them.
There is a lab in Czech Republic and they do a lot of studies on
bed bugs. So they do a sort of a contact
tracing which is really interesting and they found out
that most as I believe. And most of the box that we have
here in Europe are coming from the US and Eastern part of Asia,
which is very interesting. But of course they will develop
throughout the many generations as they as the population grows
so fast and there might be a bigger difference after they
have come to Europe. So maybe we should sell them
some some odors back? Exactly.
Good. And and that's also again a good
keyword for. My next question, because I
always have a colleague of mine in my head and who who told me
he's a biologist and he said if you can smell shit, you have
shit in your nose. So at least the molecules of of
of the target can we smell. Or can we sense the scent on the
tubings? If we have, for example, an
impregnation of cadaver that would smell quite intense, is
there a way for us to sense it as well?
Yeah, this depends on the time of you do the impregnation, and
it depends on the target material as well.
But we do quite yeah quite frequently the test so we put
like tubes with tea and we wait 1020 minutes and you will you
can take it back and you can smell it.
I I won't give the name but I know that some police they train
their dog trainer and their their dog handler with gets and
tubes as well you know to to to see the thinking when you look
for a smell. So they use gets and tube with
chocolate with like with coffee and they use you know the
because to to also we don't use a lot our smell scents as human
as we evolve we use less and less and you know they want to
to help the dog handler to see how a dog is working.
You know I know that it's different but it gives you an
idea and they use get and chip to do that.
So yes you can do it do the exercise.
I recommend like all the listener on the podcast, to take
one get and chip out their bag to put it with like a tea
chocolate and to wait like a bit and they will smell it for sure.
Because in in the past sorry to interrupt.
So in the past we were we were using a lot of like target
matter like coffee for example to do all our testing because we
were not allowed to to use like TATPHMTD and so on.
So we all all the the data that we get at the beginning was with
coffee so and we were able to smell it as well all.
Right. So there might be some of our
listeners and beyond that, people who who would not trust
these these training aids. Is there a chance for them?
I I, I I wouldn't ask hundreds and thousands of people to send
you some samples, but is there the the the chance to impregnate
the tube with something? And send it to you and let you
find out what's on there. Is something like this possible?
So what we do, yeah, we can tell you what is inside, if it's
something that we have in our database, yes, just to give you
an ID, we have like a funny story, like a few months ago,
one customer say, ah, my dog is hitting my blank tube.
I say OK, strange is blank. Blank is blank.
There is no order. We know that some people try to
train dogs to detect blank tubes.
It was not working and I said okay.
Did you change it? Quite frequently?
Because it has to be changed because as soon as you put the
blank out, it will grab the order of all the environment.
And if you're in the environment, we have target
order, your dog will enter the blank tube.
Yeah. And yes.
Now I use it properly and so I send it back to us and we did
the analysis and we found that cocaine was on the tube and the
dog was a narcotic dog and also so he was eating the tube for
sure. So it's why if you want, if you
want to use. So this we are able to do it
because cocaine is on our database, but if you want to use
blank tube, it's important that you change it like every 1020
minutes because it would grab everything around and if it is
like a small fraction of cocaine somewhere it will grab it.
Yeah, yeah, it would make sense to to to impregnate it with just
another control. Exactly.
So it's why I recommend do it with like with a tennis ball
with like, yeah, do it like that so.
And that's also an important question.
Do you know the the dual cell batteries where you can hold on
both sides and you see the the level of energy in it.
First of all you should you should build something like that
for the tubes for us handlers and trainers.
But secondly, is there the danger and that as soon as the
tubes lose the amount of odor by time, that they also?
Contain some new different orders that we don't want?
Or is it like the is the sponge then just like dry and does not
contain any? Yeah, this is, yeah, this is a
big issue. If you use your tube longer than
what we defined in our recommendations, I can explain
why and I can explain how long you can use your tube.
So you can use your tube. You do 24 hours of explanation.
You can use your tube during 24 hours without any risk of
contamination. When I say 24 hours is 24 hours
of training. So if you use, you do the
morning two hours of training, you take it back, you put it in
the glass jar, you close it, and in the afternoon you do 2 hours,
it will count for four hours in total.
So it's the time the storage site doesn't count.
So it's why you can store another order in several years
without any risk. But what is important is the
time that you use the tube in your training conditions.
So this is the first thing. So you have to use it during the
same drive to use it during the time of you have implemented
your gate engine. So this if you go beyond you
have a risk of pollution. Why?
Because that you release a order 4 hours.
If we have we did an implementation of 24 hours, it's
really constant. So it means you will get the
same level of order during 24 hours and after raise a drop.
And when there is a drop, the dog can still smell the tube.
Some of the dogs can still smell it, but at this stage there is
not enough molecule to protect the tube.
So you will get like you can be polluted by background others.
So it's why most of the time you say, yeah, I use your tube
during like 2 years without any issue, yes, but your tube is
like with a lot of pollution. So it means instead of giving
like a clear order profile with a clear order Spectra like is
very accurate without any pollution.
You give like the right order but with many other molecules
around in the background and so. So this is not good because you
will lose the efficiency at the end and it's why we we don't
recommend to do that. So after 24 hours of use, you
can discard the tube. That there wouldn't be a way to
clean it and impregnate it again.
Now today to clean it, it will be too complicated.
If you visit our factory, you will see that it's a complicated
process, so it will cost too much to make it.
Because just to give you some hints about the production today
we produce the get and tubes like how we produce medicines.
So it's like a pharmaceutical factory.
Everything is stainless steel so people wear like they cover the
head the beers, they cover everything.
They they don't use 5 fragrance and anything.
But at the end of this process to get the shape of a tube, we
have to do like what we call a cleaning process in order to
make it without any other, to ensure that the dog cannot
detect a blanket. And because also this is funny
because when we have like people use cotton goals, cotton ball
like Q-tips and so on, all the people were saying yes, we can
offset the order of the cotton goals and we say very strange
because we know that how it's manufactured, the order is
changing so. Yeah, sure.
Yeah, yeah. And and people say yeah, but I
kind of said yeah, but it means that you have to get a stable
order. But they said cotton goes not
for dog training. They said cotton goes for for
when you have a bone. When you have it's not like it's
for training purpose. And so we don't care about the
pollution that we are. But you as dog trainer you care
and so it's why we we said it doesn't work.
And if you look all the study, all the medical study with
medical detection, you will look at the specificity, you will
look at the sensitivity and it's not good due to this fact.
And you compare with all the studies that we done with
COVID-19 where we use get and choose, it's much more sensitive
and much more accurate idea. It's because we we are setting
something that is without a door where you can catch all the
molecules. That's really cool.
Great. Give me a minute.
I have to go to the toilet and we continue in a minute.
Drink too much coffee this morning, so I I do the same.
It's OK for you. We got already through many
detailed questions and as we have learned in the very
beginning is you mentioned already that there are some
other. Training aid fabricants or not
fabricants, but the training aid providers in the US market and
the European market and without telling any names, what's the
difference? Because I really like your
approach and you have already explained it to us in our last
video call and it also is the reason why.
Why we bought get sent and not any others?
Because there are always so many factors about many training aids
that the handler or trainer in the end just does not know what
is in these training aids. What do they consist of and what
do they smell like? Yeah, the main difference I
would say it's with our training ads you are sure to get the real
target order. This is a huge advantage because
if you cannot handle your target order in some like scenario in
the airport in it can be on the field as well for cadaver.
You cannot go in US in the forest with a piece of body
because like there is wildlife and they will grab it.
So you see there is many what is what we can apply to explosives
can apply for cadaver as well. So we have training scenario
where you cannot bring your target order and your target
material and so thanks to get sent you, you can bring your
real target order on the field in every scenario and without
any risk you can travel everywhere.
So this is like as the main difference.
It's what we call order fidelity and also order integrity.
So this something we don't speak about it in the dog training
world is our order doesn't evolve with time.
If you look to cotton Goose for example and all this type of
material like cotton based material, the order will evolve
over time because the evolve, the order is not protected by
the material. In our case the order is inside
the material. It's why you can clean or so
your training gate. That means you have a gate and
you you have some mud on top, you have some dust you go to
with tap water, you remove all the dust and you dry it and you
can use it again. Because the molecules, they are
not at the surface, they are inside the metal.
So this is a big change they are not talking about.
That's huge. I didn't know that.
Yeah, this is huge aspect of our product.
Okay, you will remove the layer of molecules that is at the
surface because there is always molecule going.
At the surface. To be released, but you lose a
bit of your sense. Yeah, but you don't, you don't
lose a lot because everything the tank I would say is inside.
So this make it like a huge difference and also to make it
right for me and I'm very a simple thing.
That's why I'm only a dog trainer, so you have to explain
things to me like this. We've we've learned before that,
for example, if we are pairing or impregnating the tube for
let's say one hour with RDX, then there are still some parts
of the real RDX that are not yet in the tank of the tube.
On the other hand, if we would impregnate it for seven days, we
might have the full amount of RDX on the tube.
But throughout the training time, let's say of 10 hours and
with the with the one hour impregnated RDX tube and the the
the shape of the scent or of the order of RDX stays the same.
It does not evolve. It does not lose components of
the original order. So even even after 10 minutes
few seconds you get the full Spectra of the other.
So you you get all the molecules, you just play with
the intensity. So we have some people that use
get into for 10 minutes. They don't have like a long chef
life because they cannot choose it during like days of training.
But it's very interesting because we want to train on very
small amount of. We want to simulate for example
a luggage where everything is packed with like films on top
and so on with plastic cover. So and they use the tube in that
way, but the. The Spectra, the nature, the
quality of the door is the same, but it's just the identity who
is changing. Does it make sense?
Yeah, yeah. I will myself re listen to this
episode many times to get the whole thing okay, but I'm very
sorry I interrupted you before. So, yeah, I was saying like the
main difference is order fidelity.
So it means that you have the real order, the real substance
and also order integrity, so the order stays the same over time.
And also you have the possibility to manage your
quantity of order because in most of the training that you
have on the market, the treasure is here.
And if you want more or less, you cannot do it.
So thanks to our product. You want to train on tons of
narcotics, you can do it, it's just a matter of time.
You want to train on like microgram of of explosive you
can as well. So it gives like a huge
versatility and also we are the only training in on the market
who doesn't have any other. So it means the blank one
doesn't have any other. I you can try with others you
will see that they have another so you can standardize your your
training protocol as well. So this is a huge advantage for
like military application, like police were everything well
standardized and they have to deploy worldwide.
They cannot take the risk to to to use a product that today he
has the smell and tomorrow he has another 1.
So it's why they cannot use cotton goats, for example,
because it's it's a big risk for them.
And they have also to give the efficiency of the adults.
So they want to train on real and those are some really good
arguments for for the authorities to use those things.
Because everyone has the the the issue of not always having the
the the real amounts that are required for proper operational
training. Because sometimes the handlers
are just able to run around with their little case with 9 odors
inside around, I don't know 30 gram and they have to train with
that all year long. So with with, with gets and
tunes, we would obviously be able to get a lot of cleaner
training and to vary in the amounts and to to generalize the
dog in an easier way to to give you more sent pictures.
And also it's for a dog trainer it's easier to manage like a
tube like a solid material like in once like and manage like
powder like manage like liquid. So it's easier to to get a tube
and and to place it. It's like easier to the handling
is much easier as well for for the people, yeah.
But you mentioned the liquid. You you wouldn't soak it into
liquid to impregnate it. Yes, we do it, but in some in
some specific cases because we don't work only for the
detection the business. We work also in the food
industry in the beverages. So if we want to to take a homa
for for for a beverage, so we use gates and tubes as well.
So it works, but the main issue is the liquid itself, because
when you have when you are in the air, the air is a carrier of
of the gas. But in the liquid it's a liquid
itself. So you might not get all the
molecules, but it's just based just like it.
So it's why we have the questions from dog trainers.
Can I use my tube underwater? Yes you can use it your but it's
the same. If you put like a piece of body
underwater you will get the same order because.
But can I? Is it like the full order
Spectra? I don't think so, because the
water will filter. The molecular as well.
So you might not get the full spectral, but you can use it.
This is not a big deal for gate. We have like many training
scenario where the gate and chip are used in those ways, mainly
for what we call cadaver detection.
You might remain and yeah, so you can use it underwater like
under the ground. We have some application when
it's used under the ground. To detect like some half species
as well. And I was also thought about
some of our clients who are doing wildlife detection and who
are searching for endangered species or invacious species
would be really interesting to. Because we've always had the the
difficulty that we can that it's not like ethical correct to cage
the snake and to put it outside all day long in the heat to just
have the dog find it. But it would be able we would be
able to to do that with the get in tubes again and and we could
be sure that it the the odor lasts longer.
Would you stick it or put it on the snake, or just hang it into
the terrarium? So when we do like for like
salamander snakes, frogs, we hang the tube on top for total
detection. We did it also we put like it's
not we our customer did it with a necklace as we mentioned
before. Yeah, but it's like many
different way. But hang it on top is like
great, not the best. Yeah great.
And I really recommend to reduce the size of like the terrarium
because if you take a huge one, it will dilute the other.
So if you can. Have it like in the small
glacier with space for the snake to feel well.
This is a good option. Great.
So, last but not least, what does the future bring apart from
my new innovation of the Jelly gets sent?
Now, so now we are working a lot for to certify what we call the
gates and rascoe in many different countries.
It's already it's already used in different country to do like
a big screening detection. I don't know if everyone is
aware about Gates and Roscoe, Roscoe it's like affordable
device that you can plug on the diesel in order to collect
orders but in an active way. So it means thanks to that you
can collect order from like a big container, from a car, from
a truck and after a few minutes you get the order on your.
On your Gates entry and you go to a different room and with a
lineup and you can run your dog and see if you have explosive
drugs and anything that you are looking for in the Gates entry.
So and this we are going more and more with this product.
So it was our last innovation. So now we are developing like a
lot of accessories for to help. Our customers to to use it in
the proper way to to deploy faster.
So this is where we focus right now.
We still have like a Randy project mainly with different
universities as you mentioned you spoke about the Jelly.
So we are thinking to have something in that direction.
So, yeah, so is I would say and also one big piece of work is
the product evaluation. Because we are committed to
provide you data, more and more data for you to be able to train
your dog in the best way as possible.
Because the dog is an amazing. I say it like that, an amazing
tool. It's the most efficient tool on
Earth. It's like fast.
The sensibility is really, really, really low.
So it can it's like at least 1000 times more accurate than
any equipment on earth. So and we have to bring that out
to this field, to this industry to be able to to to do more with
those. Imagine tomorrow we can detect
like this is in the field. You know, like in agriculture,
people are spending millions, billions to detect the odysses
in the field. With drones, with camera but
with the dog, it's much faster, much cheaper so, but we have to
bring that to the table to be able to go to those applications
and it's what we are doing. We do a lot of product
evaluation with your own application.
So it's why we recommend people to reach out to us if you have a
specific application that we are able to provide data in order to
do like publications. To do like scientific report.
So this is something that we do and it takes a lot of time.
So it's why all our earning since the beginning, we reinvest
everything in equipment in order to be able to bring you more
data. So this is a long run and so,
but I'm really convinced that in the future that will be much
more used in many years of it. Wow, it sounds promising to our
industry definitely. And fear or I'm very happy that
people like you who are actually not coming from the dock side,
are so interested in in in developing the whole branch and.
And I think if we all work together we can do amazing thing
with and we are just at the beginning of something huge,
huge and I know that in some industry like as a health
industry. It will be tough to to have a
dog to detect the disease. We know that it works, but it
will be tough to bring it to this level because it's also a
mind change for the population. But as I said before,
agriculture people are ready to do it.
We just we just need to have the right training process, the
right training and the right training protocol and to make it
life. So this is just yeah.
Huge because it's it will help a lot if you don't scrap like 1/2
of food production. We are talking about like food
wasting. We are talking about like it's
difficult with temperature to get like food in some country so
but if we can locate this is very accurately and to treat it
really fast you imagine it's people will save like a huge
issue in the world. So I'm really convinced like dog
can help. On this type of applications,
yeah. And in the end we we again also
learned some more about odors and and how they, how they are
affected to find new sources and reasons and causes of diseases
or whatever. So I think, I think it was very
inspiring talking to you about Get Sent and everything else
that's connected with it. And from the tubes to the Roscoe
to potential future projects, etc.
I'm sure that the listeners will really listen to this very
episode a few times just to learn more and more about the
tubings and how to use them, how to do their own impregnations.
And if anyone has any questions, of course, on the one hand, they
can contact us in Austria because we are now partners from
Get Sent officially also already listed on your website.
We are building now renewing our website.
So the Get Sent will find its place on our website for sure.
On the other hand, Greg, people can contact you directly as well
I guess. And I will just add your website
on our show notes of the episode.
Yeah. People can contact me anytime
for all technical questions. And yeah, so and as you said for
Austria, you are like the official partner you will and
you are and you will selling tools to, to all the customers
in Austria. And also for the training part,
it's important also because you can provide this training part
for example for Rascoe, not all the dog can do Rascoe and this
is something that you you provide as well and you can
provide more and more in the future.
So yeah. This is how it works.
So for the technical things they can come to me, but for all the
rest we have to go through you. It's very much easier because
you know sometimes I get like dog training questions.
I say I cannot help. You know, I I'm I'm like an
outsider. I can give what I think, but is
it not the true I I I don't have any capability to to answer
those questions and it's why it's really important to keep
like always dog trainers in the loop to be sure that.
If you would get the best answer, perfect, Greg.
When you ever travel to Austria in the eastern part of Austria,
Vienna, etc, please let us know. You're always very welcome and
we show you some of our training and how we how we work the dogs,
how we do the scent conditioning, etc.
And also working the higher trained dogs and we will give
you a call as soon as we're in Switzerland again.
Yeah. Good.
Excellent. Thank you again for the time.
I think you we'll see and yeah. So we are done.
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