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Hello, very one you rebout to 
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of from the story and myself. 
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Enjoyed is episode and as always
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no what do you th all about it 
so now have fun with yans funk 

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and me 
welcome everyone to another 

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episode i last the overview i 
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Seventy six or something wow 
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more already, but this catal is 
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grate to have a herians and 
bevor we warm our bears, we will

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just open that is it already 
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this bear a should change all. 
It you's we get spector we're. 

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So Prost. 
Gesundheit Score way Beta so as 

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you can see or the ones of you 
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watch. 
All was all of all latest 

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episodes on youtube and the one 
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already hurt jens frankes in the
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Jens Arive Two Days a go and is 
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workshop and i talk we just used
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the lectures and some practical 
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another episode record it of 
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of dog for two times so. 
Another milestone, the first 

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guest for three times. 
Congratulations streng. 

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Calahaha. 
No, it's it's a blessure having 

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you hear again this time at a 
new new facility you've been 

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widders in vienna, two times and
i just wanted to tell every one 

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what as been going on between 
you SOD di and us. 

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So maybe some of you instructor 
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online courses, and we did 
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service tracking with you. 
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have been in sweet nothing two 
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times is way to. 
It's not in off, so we definity 

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have to visity again and this 
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education in the online program 
that you have i we can work froo

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your app and the progression 
plants there it is a great thing

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so every one with listening a 
watching you should definity 

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used the app store and check out
yes to the i app for some fancy 

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dog training all about tracking.
Directionals with the laseral, 

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verbals detection, byte work, 
funktional mediens and jens is 

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constantly working to make a 
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So we really a preciate is, and 
we we've a lot to learn and 

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you're, but this time we're not 
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students, but we we organized 
this workshop and we're eger to 

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learn more and what you train 
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So you how are you doing? 
So far, it's been very funded. 

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It's it's really a nice 
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it's small of the very nice 
groupal don'hamders so i really 

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am do it. 
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I think everyone it it's oh was 
this is something that i have. 

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Learned from training with you 
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practical exercises and have the
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between what is a nice balance 
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day of sitting in the classroom 
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field, think is many people 
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So we have definity started to 
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when we met the first time. 
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here today who work in the on 
forses or the police and they're

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working as do on this, there not
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time sitting on there behind the
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difficent. 
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Difficent for me at least to. 
Have there attention for half a 

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day in the roll spectrificant 
spick it up with practifications

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in between. 
Definitiv so you Menschen to the

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Facility and you travel a lot 
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we we have started few years a 
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things to year one of the bcs p 
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And we have sene a lot we have 
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not action in not a first. 
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you've indaris well and in 
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austria and it's the nice place 
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some parts for sure we also lost
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the surrounding so was in 
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In streets that we can just use 
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felt erneut from us because of 
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street me we have to seminar 
room with propertoilate's and 

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running water and the actually 
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and the old one, but and I've 
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belly is it pronance that we. 
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Ja, Nevermind what the you think
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because everything costs of of 
money, but what does a training 

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center like this. 
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different clients of clients for
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obidian so whitework tracking 
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Successful Training. 
Puh, One, I think Electro room 

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is nassesarry we're you have 
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O the air so the people can't 
going here and see down and talk

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look at videos of the training 
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that i think. 
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Sweden. 
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It's an indoor soccer fill. 
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With the room temperator orly 
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sweden, we're the unpredite 
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to train technic and things, but
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is that it's one large room of 
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and that's not really help for 
manitimes so i would prefur to 

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have the posibility as you have 
down here to great rooms inside 

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the room a lost for more rogue 
teams training of the same time 

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without disstracting it chader 
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different set ups and the 
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to have a food. 
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Apartments. 
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as but the financial sign in be.
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modul style cqb. 
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frequently have and this in the 
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This will be pretty cool and it 
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depending on how flexible on to 
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etc. 
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just up of work so we are still 
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that's one of all of biggest 
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Do the constructions and and 
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dogs and and do the workshops, 
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about this one you want to do it
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because we it is two floors with
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fortunate we never got to do it 
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everything down and back, it's 
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you're for example, here and 
that you're missing total 

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missing. 
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gravel field not for from here. 
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targets. 
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are no. 
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To use, yes, it is only a minute
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Also we are for the Sergeant, 
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also for detection and 
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rent parts of the woods, so 
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state, it's feed a woods and we 
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it. 
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you along also with the clients 
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because he're in austria, you're
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with cars and it's special he're
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because it's like hunting or the
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also we're many things to we a 
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because it's also just. 
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you're in the Woods, so we're 
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evan have a big a opportunity to
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here because like in our 
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we're haveing twelve 
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crowdy here it's it's great it 
because the dogs are geting used

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to work beside it other. 
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pass days because that we're and
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dogs working at the same time 
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chada i think that's a big 
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to aboid it, i think because 
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brexit that's what we're going 
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able to signor this roundings 
but of cores with with twelve 

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participants, two trainers and i
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One of the summer workshop see 
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because every one bringing two, 
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that was graudy a graudy place, 
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what we have hear and he's 
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so the part in the valley on the
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do the environmental things. 
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Very like so basic kits of the 
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building but. 
Yeah, everyone should have a 

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rage room like that you have a 
rages, but you can just to the 

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born and the dog have to crown 
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Ja things to fetchit. 
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because function rebeedians 
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Of course weapon at distractions
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But talking about detection, we 
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different science of equipment. 
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the line ups, the cent we is 
even the machine, the i yet 

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haven t showed you in action 
what and i know it that you're 

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not a big fan of fancy. 
Equipment things except for the 

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kynotic trainingsbitle. 
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Equipment. 
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What i think most of the time 
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dogs that they ten to come with 
cine effects and usually one 

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people by expensive equipment 
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But if you buy a very expensive 
sam to real, you can to use it 

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for more things and just 
imprinting new odors and the 

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usually that's not bring andy 
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textion dog. 
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that i have florence from not 
expensive equipment Pots, for 

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example, from the brick for or 
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I tend it to welcome it to open 
to long, so i bill the lot of 

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energy on it and the expectency 
and it was nice to see the dogs 

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willcon it but i couldn TE 
medially copy paste is behavior 

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to different environment etc. 
So i think people get a little 

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hang up in this context. 
Yes, i see that a lot of this 

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one and it's very convenient 
from the big. 

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What is standing that just to 
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A. 
Port from makeing the doga 

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bitmore tired. 
We're really don't game and it 

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think. 
Ja, still, it's it's a really. 

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I think to us and when i was in 
America Cameron shot me this 

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this comic picture of. 
Because the Americans make fun 

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of us of cours of us, the 
europeans and we was like the 

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dog sniffing the brickwall and 
it's at the brickwall operator. 

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It was it was at rest to a 
different trainer, but i've hot 

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it's of cours, it's just a choke
but i specialy of people don't 

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really think there's out in to 
different modivested we run 

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through without dogs in the 
progression plans. 

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They happin to see a lot of 
brickwall search, but this video

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is arch just to easy to make 
because you don't have to follow

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the dog, so it just but the 
tripe pot there and to camera on

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it and just and videos 
anderstand if they it think that

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we're main the trading on the 
brick for, but that's not the 

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case i also chahara or videos. 
Now the brickwall is us for. 

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One of the first weeks of the 
detection Dogs Training main bit

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to dcreast a mount of odor and 
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and we want you can't we have 
limited aria with it ogas high 

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spectation to find odor, and 
then we can trusticly dcreast 

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the odor amount very quickly and
stadel have the ogmotivate to 

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search what for that it's not 
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Beneficial for that herpes, it's
heart to find anything that is 

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as beneficial. 
We also like to train different 

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handler exercises there to also 
things that we talk to about 

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today that and actually this is 
one point for it self the. 

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Handler exercises in the dog 
train because we focus soma on 

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the behavior of the dogs at we 
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hunts effekt because in clear 
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wear the targadies they have a 
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the dog changes is behavar and 
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brickford to give in different 
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dog behavar there alreadies like
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They they have an expectance it 
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ask the hand of to do different 
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need in operational search, but 
it's just for them to see how on

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what the dog reacts what they do
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leash handling things like it 
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searching and son be have a but 
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leash. 
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indication because you know see 
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cores this not to happen and we 
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they're many interesting things 
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that, but as you said, we don't 
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there any other equipment that 
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centitection that's use for. 
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search consols in one of all 
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That's us von who i know it to 
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fine quipment but something we 
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Fors to us is some kind of odor 
carrier, something we 

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contaminate with a real odor 
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times to bring echoes, it's so 
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environs so if you kind that 
that's equipment, i think that's

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something that's a really 
important and. 

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Really the service putting a not
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from that not so much actually 
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complicated and in manyways 
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is your tosk that we can teach 
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Working Dogs I think the 
Challenge is in the the order 

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Force and the order Präsentation
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And fusure most of us also me 
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handling of or or samples and 
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of your points in the post days 
to take carabut it because there

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is and we will get to 
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The danger of over shadowing for
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a little later that's dick to 
this for that. 

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you times that as as at the dog 
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difference and there behave your
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Maybe for for some business that
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could you explain white so 
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the hendas behavior and why we 
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a certain pace until the dog 
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indication behavior. 
So in Series right simpon, so we

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want the dog to act on the on 
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In obidians or one to start 
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want to dog on the to indicate 
on the specific you and that is 

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the target order or the range of
target orders to so we strange 

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to search for and in order to he
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this. 
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handler because many handers one
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Hell there do and what they're 
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happing the go there just 
teaching the do that it will be 

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rewarded if it respons to other 
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and then we get a cleverhons 
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on not really delibrate. 
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without knowing it and the dog 
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odor. 
The Hander eater Stops or slows 

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down or Start walking behind the
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to deliver the infos to and the 
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this smalltions and the 
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From domestication dokes up in 
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thousand us, and we know that 
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the expectation and human 
pointing and gazing so they pick

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up on all or juice and i have 
for real handcraft people and i 

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have a put tape of we're face 
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face as you or to keep them 
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So things at just to make it 
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actualer and that I'm rean 
forest for indicating on the 

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target order as you not and is 
behavio from the hanter. 

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And that's so helpful for for 
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understand it and. 
The capability of or the task of

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the dog is to search for the 
cuse in the environment to show 

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indication behavior and the hand
was really like they should 

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upserve and there part is maybe 
to sende dog and here or there 

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are they mistespot or but not 
teaching them like it's not in 

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no beagan task to follow the 
hand on till, the q is give and 

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there. 
No and. 

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Special in the beginning of the 
detection training, this is 

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important that the do get the 
chance to response to the target

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odor, but then lateroom in the 
detection training and the doke 

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as learn that yes the trigger 
for me to integrate that is the 

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target odor nothing ams, then we
need to bring to the doke 

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hundred back in. 
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that's go down this. 
We ret a tony, so the pond, the 

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probability of detection so you 
need to design that when you 

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start training and the is the 
probability of detection i want 

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so do i want. 
If there are a hundred targets 

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or i search a hundred cars that 
contain nacotic for exposes for 

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expect to dog to find ninety, 
present or the exposes or achty 

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present or ninety present and 
that's important to deside 

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because that will influence your
search heatern. 

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So and you have set your pot, 
the probility of detection you 

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need to deside what is the 
minimum relible distance? 

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We're your dog will actually 
pick up on the target odor so 

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some odors or more volatype then
others and then if you 

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researching for explosivs you 
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From the least volatile outdoor,
so that's a new test searching 

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for a specific explosive, you're
don't needs to be with in five 

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centimeters from the outdoor if 
or it's reliable activit he can 

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appoment and then it's my or 
main out going to indication but

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them if you have you're pot of 
seventy prozent and you have 

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this minimum distance of five 
centimeters. 

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That means you as the hander 
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in five centimeters of at least 
seventy prozent or the plation 

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places, we're cooled be target 
order siddom because we can have

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a make the dog understand this. 
Yeah. 

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The dog is the nose and you and 
forge not the have to have to 

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the brain and exactly we 
responsible for this, but that 

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com's late dring the training. 
Ja and fusure like II was think 

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to myself. 
It's we train the dog in the 

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disziplin, we're x ly we have no
real grass of what is happening 

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we have only little ideer of how
is send behaves and acts and 

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performance so II rid it tright 
to stay away from the dog 

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learning with the or after. 
Giving them the idea what to 

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search for and they're have them
different. 

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A proches i talk to man a 
different trainers what I've 

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learned from you and also back 
them from to bears of corses 

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that we like II want my dog also
to understand what to search for

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have and high sniffing intensity
and then i also let them. 

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Search in they're onway to to 
find out how how day work the 

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best before i start except for 
line ups before i start pudding 

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to much structure on the dog and
guide them through a room and 

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other train as and it make 
senses well and told me no day 

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they would water put more 
structure on it and the very 

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beginning because they say the 
dog, it's loose, it's sell flate

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a on anyways. 
So what have been your thoughts 

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and and what was your 
progression? 

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How did you started attackion 
when you started working on 

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detection, did it just let the 
dogs run loose, we're you 

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guiding them, did you, i don't 
know use a targets to lead the 

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dogs or was basicly natural and 
we just rectlike this. 

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So as for as I'm seeen, there 
have been no. 

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Stud is showing what is more or 
last effective one it coms to 

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this and my experience so far is
that it ready doesnt metal. 

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You will arrive at the same and 
resuled anyway, but you start 

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off haveing to don't just doing 
free range sniffing or very 

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structure. 
As long as to dog, get the 

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chance to dog that it's just the
target order at triggers 

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dinglication I'm not sin and the
difference in there and result 

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just teams to be different out 
to the same and. 

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And tristing. 
It is so. 

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Like my falls are sins, we know 
the Dogs are. 

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Like's Canning Outs and heaving 
Outs and there mind so much we 

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calls that's what a doggies 
checking out what we're up to i 

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try to not make them to gain to 
many ideas that i could help 

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them in and away so i would a 
rada leave the dogs in front 

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lone or projecting to one want 
behave her like. 

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Questioning or or's all things 
like that but. 

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And I've ree what if you're take
in to consigration that training

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in the text and doggen my take 
three monts and then it's you'd 

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stop work to work operation and 
then the hundred needs to be 

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people to guide the dog because 
the dog. 

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Simply does and the have any 
understanding of what the tosk 

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is that we want to find or of 
the explosives or all of 

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denercotics the dog is just 
searching for something that my 

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bring the reinforcement and it 
just so based on the expectation

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we have created where the 
targets maybe hit them and sins 

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operation and dogs or working in
new context constanty. 

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The don't have to make sure the 
dog is in with in fible ten 

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centimeters from all the spons 
the dog will just go are it 

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things the arcotics or exposes 
is it and so it the pens for 

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arcotics dogs you can be more 
slop because it's not. 

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Really important what they miss,
it's more important that they 

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find what you schally one comes 
to explosive stones, it's no 

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posit, it's they're important 
that they don't miss a lot of 

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explosions and then the 
strategie and protocol and 

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training has to be a big 
different. 

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And you just talk about like 
spending time at the brickfall 

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for around one week. 
Or Training a detection dog in 

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three months, so most people 
will here this and select how is

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that evenpossible but of cors in
many authorities, there is just 

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not more time given to the to 
the handers to spender timemavy 

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in the dogs school and run two 
is urtan cours and at the and to

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have this xm of cours, they keep
poply learning and improving and

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generalizing etc. 
So this. 

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This time set up so like the the
posibilities are limited of 

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cours, but you can get quite far
in this an out of time. 

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For sure with detection for sure
and ja, because it's relative 

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the uncomplicate but you would 
reach a certification level, but

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that's just the dogs. 
The start of the dogs, carry and

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setting that's like taking the 
driver's licence whenyou're.at 

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and most of us. 
We're not the best driver's at a

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ten that comes a be we peak 
around, i don't don't don't't 

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can't right now and i just just 
it's like that the dogs as one 

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they peak two, a three yars 
hoster the sertification test. 

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So my question now for this xls 
when you have like hash a certan

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goal in you're a view to region 
a certan a pure the time and we 

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talked about the principle based
training and also about the rule

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based training them was don't 
terms and we saw and discref 

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that the rule based training. 
Mics impossible that you like 

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have a fast improvement of 
behavior, a fast learning in the

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very beginning, but even the a 
fall down when it get's more 

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complex and etc. 
We're as the principle based 

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training as a slower level of 
rise rise in the skillset of 

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certa behavious. 
But shows a bigger improvement 

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when it gets more complex and 
more detailed and more cenary 

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based. 
Maybe so the longly stay in the 

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in the Program you start on the 
stand more and that for be a 

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will to learn faster, but to you
maybe in in the words to dewput 

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it is esterday discrimed what 
the difference is are and and 

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maybe have one or two examples. 
I can try her atlist. 

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I think the rulevast learning is
for example following a 

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progression plan, so if i give a
dogehander a progression plan of

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maybe a hundred steps how to 
train the indication the 

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systematic search, so then the 
dogehander can follow this step 

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by step by step, and then they 
can have quite rapid. 

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Progression without really 
understanding the underlining 

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principals of learning or over 
shadowing etc. 

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But at some point they will find
difficulties in there work, 

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we're it's clear to them that 
i've just been following this 

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reciple i kind of applyed on 
new. 

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Senorios and then they will be 
lost and the opposit would be if

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i show up here with the 
doghanders and say that for the 

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next two weks we will just talk 
about basic learning theory and 

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i ask them to rights reed reed 
scientific papers on everything 

439
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,040
from operant. 
And classical conditioning to 

440
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:45,280
over shadowing and different 
reenforcements get us or the 

441
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:53,680
things that we use and readay. 
But if we kind of really apply 

442
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:59,840
them immediity it they be horn 
for many doghanders to keep the 

443
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,400
interest in it. 
But if we manage to understand 

444
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
this basic underlining 
principals and they all not that

445
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:15,840
many then we can apply them in 
all citrations with the dogs, so

446
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,360
then we can rise for about the 
simple steps on the progression 

447
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,360
plan because the progression 
plans can just the scribes so 

448
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,040
much of the variation that don't
us will encounter. 

449
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,200
What what all does like what all
does principals? 

450
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,880
He's it understanding the 
learning theory, knowing what 

451
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,160
behavaries and how to 
manipulated. 

452
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,280
So, i would say you can get the 
way noing there is you 

453
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:48,960
principons and what is more 
important, the knowing them is 

454
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:55,440
to apply them, so if we go to 
the simplest one the operant 

455
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,720
conditioning. 
Modell that's that's the bases 

456
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,960
of all dogl Training what we 
want to do not that is what we 

457
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,320
actually us and the for 
understand that the definition 

458
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,360
of a punishment is something 
that the crises the frequence of

459
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,960
a behabor and that definition of
a informement is something that 

460
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,960
in crises the frequence of a 
behabor and we can that. 

461
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,720
Plan the Training and we can 
access the training we have made

462
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,600
if we have an taddan inquis in 
the frequenz, we're lever and 

463
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:35,600
then it hass and bingreen forest
what the we was aiming all at 

464
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,160
that or not is not interesting, 
it's live a hass and the curd so

465
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,520
if we're unter standard and the 
play it and. 

466
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Over shadowing is one of the 
other principons, premax, 

467
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,320
principan and all of this. 
I was i unnown to all most all 

468
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,760
dog Trainers and professional 
dog handers but what i see at 

469
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,640
least is that the really 
successful and well performing 

470
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,120
dog handers and dog trainers or 
the ons for also a ply them. 

471
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,480
Yes. 
Maybe they don't know moral of 

472
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,080
the fancy advance learning 
theory, but they applian the 

473
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,320
basics and that's what make the 
big differance. 

474
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,280
I don't know it's that was a 
good experination it was a long 

475
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:35,440
one of this. 
Is what i have for was and the 

476
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,080
example as a forerogies to like 
the military. 

477
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,680
And when you get into the 
military that you follow, this 

478
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,640
is a based, so i this was very 
visual. 

479
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,360
Just Ted me What you want me to 
Shay and I. 

480
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,400
Know what's it was Perfect was 
Perfect? 

481
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:03,560
That's the case with expectency 
so no, but it it makes it makes 

482
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,520
all of sense and i think again 
when people here or see this 

483
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,000
graph they. 
Ok, no, we have to work with 

484
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,480
trains to the based training 
only, but it's like it's it's 

485
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,240
not one or the other we i think 
you we have to start 

486
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:26,160
understanding special for 
mercedes in young trainers get 

487
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,960
very deep in to the learning 
theory that they to do training 

488
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,080
shaping only or modeling only 
or. 

489
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,240
Operant conditioning only and no
classic condition, we just not 

490
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:44,760
the idea but win learning about 
these principals we have to 

491
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,640
separatem so we can tog about 
this and that and that's a model

492
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,680
for this is a gress for that. 
There's a video we tog about 

493
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,600
this topic, but and practical 
work it all gets together at 

494
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:01,840
some how and like a rule based 
training doesn t mean that we's 

495
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560
kip to progression plans it 
still nice to. 

496
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:12,400
To work with to not loose i're 
path of not loose in be overview

497
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,000
for we want to go to and also to
on the stand why we have be in 

498
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,320
success for on to now because we
can't just check ok this where 

499
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:26,960
the goals that we have. 
Post so it's i would's a both or

500
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,360
neces are both the rudes based 
learning and the principal space

501
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,600
learning of. 
They on need roldem is 

502
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:42,800
sufficient and of so we need the
rules based learning, but we've 

503
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,800
out the principals we will 
quickly get los and if you just 

504
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,640
to principal based learning, 
that's the typical academic 

505
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,640
person who no's a lot of theory,
but can not converted into 

506
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:05,400
practical dog training so. 
We really need both of them and 

507
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,240
it's perfective find if some 
people or amoring to the 

508
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,480
principals and some amoring to 
the practical roops based 

509
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:21,360
learning, but we need a booth. 
Ja, but this was again like i 

510
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,920
for it you talking about this 
things and II just that an 

511
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,400
interesting phone call with a 
friend of my in Germany. 

512
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,520
He also works for a big, a sorry
to there and. 

513
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:41,360
If mind, this is an a story, but
now i lost the the the point, 

514
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,240
but I've like slash no i do will
I'm talking about. 

515
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,360
So but you know it is play you 
have we're a friend in german. 

516
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,000
I've at least one friend in 
Germany and you're what's the 

517
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:02,480
not the point was about the. 
The Training, Training, Training

518
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,000
dogs that's talk to the train 
dogs. 

519
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:11,840
It was Grate. 
Oh, that's what it was we have 

520
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,560
we we listen to this things we 
seal and the presentations and 

521
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:24,640
some times we think like of 
course we have seen the model of

522
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,400
operent conditioning classical 
operition so many times it get's

523
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,600
boaring but. 
Two out these repetitions we we 

524
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,720
start thinking in the different 
way because we can already apply

525
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:39,640
it. 
A lot more experience find 

526
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:46,360
exampers of all owen training et
cetera, and think that we have 

527
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,400
see in and we compare it so and 
in this parts today i think for 

528
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,280
myself i have again on the stud.
These two examples of the rule 

529
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,200
based and principal based 
training a lot better to 

530
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,680
maybefalt that important, but 
it's just nice to understand 

531
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,880
things and to think of them in 
differentway when you apply them

532
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,880
and when you go in to the 
training center or and the field

533
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:20,400
and and work it for and that's 
also important for do's who 

534
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,840
think only practiclex as i 
discount. 

535
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,360
And understanding white the 
practical thing works. 

536
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,040
I think that's it lease for a 
trainer and they're helpful to 

537
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,880
beable to explaine why and 
houndal things work. 

538
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,320
It's critical. 
Ja. 

539
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,640
I the white if you're just 
surpriseed how good or Bad 

540
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,120
things work i we don't have me 
andy idea o why it's very hard 

541
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,600
trustsure and training from 
that. 

542
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:02,960
So at liz, the trainer needs to 
understand it, but i think in 

543
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,160
many agencies. 
It's not really agnnotic how 

544
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,080
like training the dogehander dos
even of they don't have a 

545
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,040
sixteen ours of designate 
training time for week for the 

546
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,760
doghander every time the 
doghander actually takes the dog

547
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520
out of the car. 
Things will be we in Forst or 

548
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:29,520
punished ja, evenifits not call 
chaining in the week as gadual 

549
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:37,760
so the don't hunders I've really
really chainer do's a lot also 

550
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,320
we in the everyday it life so 
the more they know about the 

551
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,880
principals the easurity is for 
them to apply them of course. 

552
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,200
And definits. 
And that's what i like i think 

553
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,560
in one of a first podcast you. 
We talked also about trades for 

554
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:11,200
trainers or henders and you said
the curious and it's not what's 

555
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,160
ding is german in german is 
selbstverständlich i get not. 

556
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,280
Sure that everyone things that 
way or acts that way but they're

557
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,680
incurious is so what fun to and 
discover new things and and 

558
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,040
start to understand things that 
you falls that you on the stud 

559
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,520
or no already in the betaway 
we're see them under different 

560
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,840
light. 
I think we it. 

561
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,760
Important Dragon knowledge that 
stane furious that can be a goal

562
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:56,800
in obit self rich it is i think 
for proxampen you so you get 

563
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,960
rean forest by learning new 
things you re the lot of books 

564
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,240
you talk to a lot of people so 
you get rean forst by that and i

565
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:12,320
think it's just us good with. 
People are doghanders and they 

566
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:20,720
are not actually the juriosnos 
is juriosnos juriosity juriosity

567
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,320
is not the and gold, but there 
and it's the beer is the and the

568
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,040
gold is. 
To you to little beer, the. 

569
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,280
And the gold for them is to baby
to protect them senfs or they're

570
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,920
comic searching for explosives 
for exampen. 

571
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,400
And then the curiosity because 
means and important means to 

572
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:50,880
reach that and the gold and that
is just as important as a driver

573
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,280
for curiosity. 
In a Perfect world do you think 

574
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:04,320
it would be smart to have more 
trainers that prepair and train 

575
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,720
dogs and. 
Guide them them together with 

576
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:14,680
there handles rut of an haveing 
handas bing force to try to the 

577
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,400
learn so much about dog 
training. 

578
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,520
That's was a leading question, 
but this was to bing force to 

579
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,280
learn so much of the. 
Ja. 

580
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:32,400
What II Think? 
It's mainly from an economic 

581
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,840
point on you. 
I think it's good that and don't

582
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,640
handers learn and look to out 
don't training because so what 

583
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,240
we've spoker and just before 
that they continues be train the

584
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:49,120
dogs what there they want to one
not but from an economic point 

585
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:55,200
of you, i think it's better if 
you have people who are devoteed

586
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,960
to doing the basic training on 
the dogs bekommen ready good 

587
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,880
that that. 
And then giving the dog to the 

588
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Dog Hunters, so the Dog Hunters 
doesnt have to spam time doing 

589
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,520
the really basic stuff rich they
are problem in not as good that 

590
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,040
doing eater. 
Because they only do it navy, is

591
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,760
you summit up three times in 
there carrier and they get three

592
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,360
dogs and even more critical. 
I think is as unit they run to 

593
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,800
problems because the problems 
are. 

594
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,080
It's like it's a big a deal. 
I think to to get rid of the the

595
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,960
problem callsing components 
finding the triggers or dealing 

596
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:48,320
with the consequence is that 
with calls and the problem kubik

597
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:55,960
going so II was think how could 
be gone in the more effective 

598
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,080
way. 
A part from other problems like 

599
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,040
the selection, the poor 
selection of dogs and the 

600
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,200
minimum of the budget that is 
open for for buying dogs etc. 

601
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,720
Think it's could be done in i'm 
lot more cleverway. 

602
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:20,720
It's good so right now what 
grinds my gear is that there is 

603
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:25,760
such a waistage of money because
in some units. 

604
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,200
They have a police, we're 
military working doghander 

605
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,600
training there dogs for six ons 
or some time to a year and a 

606
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,600
full time a employed person for 
one year that cost to lot to 

607
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,600
money. 
The problem is that that's from 

608
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:51,520
an other account and from where 
they for example by dogs, so 

609
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,720
it's never visualized how x. 
Spensive this way or chaining 

610
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:03,200
dogs really is so in many 
countries or the dog trainer is 

611
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:11,520
responsible for chaining the dog
fully chain dog costs $100000 or

612
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,880
more because the expendt six 
monts or eben one year chaining 

613
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,480
this dog and that's crazy 
expensive.com per twif they buy.

614
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,760
Prepared Dog, das heißt been 
trained by a Professional 

615
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,400
Trainer wedrits you at the 
agency or a private company. 

616
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:38,520
I'm in they can easily by such a
dog for attent of that cost and 

617
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,680
then the dog henry's up and 
running and connectional be 

618
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:47,760
operational much quicker, which 
will again save, money and time,

619
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,680
so this is crazy. 
But it test to do with 

620
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:58,560
administrative yes is just that 
the costs all not place to i 

621
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,840
they actually belong. 
And and do you talk about this 

622
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,680
train dogs on the private 
sectoral or these actually a 

623
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,760
thority, so it's band it am all 
of moni. 

624
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:15,920
For Dogs, so the thorities or 
the ons banding most money by in

625
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:23,280
Dogs. 
Both from private companies and 

626
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:30,440
from the owen breading and 
training programs and one it's a

627
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,520
trade of if a government heißt 
it's owen breading program. 

628
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,880
The selection, the based 
training and and operation and a

629
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:44,240
dong hunders a dong if i make a 
rough astimate cost someware 

630
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,760
between hundred 1000 and two 
hundred $1000 because ow. 

631
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,520
Madey forty Prozent of the dogs 
that or born in the breading 

632
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,480
Programm actually make it to the
first certification, then the 

633
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,240
other sixty Prozent they get 
lost long the way but or has 

634
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:07,760
been money and time invested in 
that in aswatch or and then the 

635
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:14,000
dogh hunder will then have to 
continue the training compatrive

636
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:19,280
they as they do in. 
Are units they by pretrain dogs 

637
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,680
and then they don't have to deal
with all the dogs that all not 

638
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:30,400
possing to the and that's so 
other ritaria botanican is. 

639
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,800
There's war in Europe and people
kind of go to them at ans and by

640
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,200
dogs and it would have been 
better to breed them on the on 

641
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,720
in the on governmental programm.
Sure it's it's pros and cons 

642
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:51,880
with everything, but it's always
extremity or expensive to have 

643
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,320
you're on greading program and 
the have you're on dog on the 

644
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:04,920
strange the Dogs. 
You're so they should news der 

645
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,280
situation and learn more from it
navy. 

646
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:19,240
But it depensive if there is. 
I Mean II know about don't 

647
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:24,720
trading, but i don't really have
a good overview of the global 

648
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:32,800
politics, so maybe we are 
closter to a war and i no and 

649
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,600
then it will be clever to have 
you're owen briefing to Programm

650
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,080
so i think so one alles and me 
should make that it's. 

651
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,000
Now we will not not politics 
here. 

652
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:53,360
Ok and not a point that i wanted
to strive bevor we go to the 

653
00:55:53,360 --> 00:56:02,960
overshadowing is the sukzessive 
approximation and also this is 

654
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:09,760
one that that is a like AI car 
RED-LINE as through out the 

655
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,680
workshops and lecture that we 
have. 

656
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,800
And learned from you and that we
followed so to the lizeners who 

657
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,280
my not be that family with this 
term sukzessive a proximation 

658
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,600
what is it it and actually what 
i talk when i took is not is 

659
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,160
what's the opposit. 
So, the opposit is trilan air or

660
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:38,000
ok in the doba training coop 
context as lead at least 

661
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,160
sukzessive proximation is just a
fancy term for. 

662
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,320
Sign that we gravity and in 
small steps, get closer and 

663
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,520
closer to that endgold. 
That best that training. 

664
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,920
Yes. 
II latey i started really to use

665
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,680
and ai jet, gpt and things like 
this so of cores. 

666
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:07,160
I alsoced it what it is in 
german and it gave me some and 

667
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,560
desriptions and examples for 
physic and mess and. 

668
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,120
Engineering etc. 
So, it's just. 

669
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Try to to calculate in the 
direction of what we're they one

670
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,080
to get one to the third and 
point. 

671
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:31,400
We're cranteria is met or is 
closin of for for the rental and

672
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:39,920
then i also to discribit for me 
in the with the overall topic 

673
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,520
dog training. 
And erklärte in finish freeding 

674
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,880
it because and we went for not a
practical access heißt, but it's

675
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,960
started with shaping and it's 
not it's not wrong, but it's no 

676
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,280
it's i think it was a little 
pour desription but. 

677
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:05,200
It's a shaping is just one zoom.
Klicke out because Shaping is 

678
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,160
all so have in a clare go, and 
then breaking that behavior down

679
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,960
in to smaller stops. 
And Training one port at the 

680
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:20,560
time, but with without haveing 
looked successive procomation up

681
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,960
in webstores dictionary, i would
see that with successive 

682
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:31,280
procomation it plus and have to 
be a behave your that is split 

683
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,520
in to smaller pieces, it can and
offen is just the metal distance

684
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:44,920
or time. 
Now but it's again, it's a grate

685
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:51,360
think to think of i think also 
when it comes to create 

686
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,120
progression plans and think your
way through and theory from the 

687
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:03,880
way you one to get to and how to
just bittle brick on brick tow. 

688
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:10,240
It's disgo help me a lot. 
And that's going from the thing 

689
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:18,880
like some of does terms and 
principles etcetera do's things 

690
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,280
we like we follow them without 
noing it in many in many kases. 

691
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,160
No coboot. 
It's freetimes or i think this 

692
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:34,480
is no boot, no. 
I'm because it if you follow 

693
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,800
them without thing about it and.
It's really not a nesses are a 

694
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,960
principal to concider but to 
your surprise every man in 

695
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,280
people don't and it's not 
because they are stupid or 

696
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:57,880
ignorant, but it's because they 
are focusing on something els in

697
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,720
this exercise. 
Ja, i know it from from other 

698
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:06,560
topics that II do, but we don't 
fall of the the knowledge that 

699
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,120
we would have from other. 
Branches and it's crazy how i 

700
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:16,320
don't know who that in this 
words like human beings or a 

701
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,840
such pur alone is it's so hard 
for us to generalize knowledge 

702
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,320
from on topic do an all. 
It is. 

703
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,680
It's so there we because it 
interesting or depressive. 

704
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:37,680
But i think to our excuse now 
it's not from excuse, but. 

705
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:45,200
I think doggus are even more 
context dependant so i agreed 

706
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,760
it's very hard for me and for us
as humans to generalize norwich 

707
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,320
and i think it have to realize 
that we're poor at it, but or so

708
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,080
to realize that dogs are even 
struggling more with this so and

709
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,200
order for them to generalize we 
need to investelotto so can 

710
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,120
time. 
Ja, ja, defen sie. 

711
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:16,000
It's a cool thing i like those 
fancy sounding terms and and 

712
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,960
headlines. 
And in everything sounds 

713
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:26,440
battering English, maybe not 
fing a spitzgefühl that sounds 

714
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,040
best in German. 
The for the mother terms and 

715
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,520
like soul Card, no or Wiener 
Schnitzel. 

716
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,320
There is no no such word in 
English. 

717
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,920
To ashley sounds horrible of 
they tright to parance it, but 

718
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:50,320
we will have a really grate in a
today hotel post in melic i will

719
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:57,280
one this in you should visit is 
but ok, but we we we live it 

720
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:02,760
like it's sukzessive a 
proximation is is a smartway to 

721
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,320
tright to get klauser to you 
rent go. 

722
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,400
Just and it's one of this 
extrem, the simple principles 

723
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:18,000
that most of us failed to 
actually use in practice. 

724
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,560
But i think because peaplar to 
stress and they are not the 

725
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:30,720
singesturm for geduld. 
They are not not humble, but 

726
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,480
they like the jack to time they 
want to get that quicker. 

727
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,960
And successive a proximation 
means again like the principal 

728
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,080
based training sometimes to 
beginning takes a little longer 

729
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:49,440
and the results or not seen that
quickly so when you also when 

730
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,280
you works through the 
progression plan, it's like go 

731
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,000
for go for go and do may raps on
training steps to reach to goals

732
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,160
and just happens that you're 
successful because there is 

733
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:09,600
almost no room for. 
Wegen unsuccessful and sometimes

734
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,720
i have to feeling that sometimes
handlers or trainers or setting 

735
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:21,280
up in exercise and show it and 
or like when does the a failure 

736
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:29,920
happen to see look does the work
and and then it just work sign 

737
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:35,760
so that's also some. 
Mabits a cultureal thing in in 

738
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:42,400
Europe that we are that we like 
to to wate for and problems in 

739
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,520
faedure to deal with it rut of 
an being have in taking the time

740
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,920
to go for to or for success. 
We. 

741
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:59,440
I think there has been was and 
it in the book rid we are they 

742
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,400
compared the. 
The Asian kids like this is no 

743
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,240
political for korrekt of the 
Asian kids with the western kids

744
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:13,600
and they and present it and and 
nexasized that is no solval to 

745
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,680
and the western kids just quit 
of there's a short period of 

746
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,400
time because they on us to the 
kabis exercise combisoled, but 

747
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:26,200
the asian kids cap going and 
then they just LK exercise and 

748
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,280
they have just stright to feed a
out may be through. 

749
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,480
Principal based training 
training out different 

750
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:38,080
principals, but also successive 
proximation to some how get 

751
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,320
there if it's a european western
problem. 

752
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:50,080
What i have and i have and 
sompeled and of cultures and dog

753
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:56,640
training to bebe to say for sure
but i think not from what i of 

754
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,760
see in europeans and no. 
Better or or was them andy other

755
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,720
ok when it comes to this. 
Ok. 

756
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,440
With we all in the dog training,
this is business theme to one to

757
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:15,760
rush things, which we're like 
sense, but the problem is that 

758
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:21,320
the quickest way is successive 
proximation it is no trial and 

759
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,280
error to take big steps to see 
candable do this candable do 

760
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,440
this. 
And sometimes that's not really 

761
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,360
that's going to intuitive that 
it's quicker to take smore stops

762
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,440
and. 
Patients was the one that was 

763
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,080
looking for we're not patient in
not in many times and. 

764
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:49,600
The on differenz i see is that 
and now i sound like the old 

765
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:54,240
Grumpy man i am just not it 
comes, we the h. 

766
01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:02,320
And experience because i can see
more experience people doing it 

767
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,280
with successive approsion 
nation, then i see young and slu

768
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,840
and anthusia. 
To but that's it's interesting 

769
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:16,880
point of think because that's 
something i have realized fring 

770
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,320
to see myself from the inner 
eye. 

771
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,880
That i'ffler and through the 
years of cores haveing trust in 

772
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,560
your plan and you see out is on 
in two certain problems, but you

773
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,000
but you just to them gib on 
going, it's it's it's ok, it 

774
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,120
will get there and so when i 
remember myself doing the first 

775
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,040
online progression plan was you 
will. 

776
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,520
I don't know I'm any steps it 
head back them was around and we

777
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,240
seventy steps or think something
like this and in be two and we 

778
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,160
have around twenty steps of 
laser directionals in the took 

779
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,240
me over a year to get to the 
point and the remember i'm 

780
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:03,040
asking you have far have we got 
because back them you all was 

781
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,680
unlocked only three goes ahead 
and it was like driving true the

782
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,640
fog i was have, we was things i 
saw i've like in no. 

783
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:18,000
We're alles to get and and was 
the second dog a rent for it, 

784
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,080
quick rent and resorted 
understanding the principals and

785
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:28,920
also fine and i're all aways for
it and now also knowing you have

786
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:34,440
in to trust in the plan i have 
to check out another work witch 

787
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,240
is importment this. 
The process i think it that's on

788
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,600
the great in English trust the 
process. 

789
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:48,080
And i think that's mistake. 
I made them not just alowing you

790
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:53,000
to see the next tree steps in 
the phone because that do's not 

791
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:58,080
alowing you to see the home 
prozess so that was just not 

792
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:03,360
very effect and. 
We'll oh it was in Bad. 

793
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:12,120
Hey it really a for me, it was. 
I clear still think it's a very 

794
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:19,120
interesting way because now for 
example, we we unlock chapters 

795
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:25,200
in the plan in some of these 
chapters II suggestional was is 

796
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:31,680
to chapter hole Chapter, read it
watch the video clips in this 

797
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,720
chronology to get an overview 
for this expected and where the 

798
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,760
journey will go to etc. 
And sometimes for for some 

799
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,479
people, this just great because 
it's like this is going to 

800
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:52,560
happen and for out it's like how
how ever what i reach this level

801
01:08:52,560 --> 01:09:01,120
of performance and so the three 
steps i enchoid it, but what 

802
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,840
annoid me was not knowing how 
many how many more three steps 

803
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:11,760
what what beater your sam. 
So it's requires that you have 

804
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:17,760
trust in the people who have 
grate to the plan. 

805
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:25,760
I do weiß, it will not be you 
have so i think the cons out the

806
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,840
way the pros one of coms to 
doing it like that on forge not 

807
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,600
you. 
But bean tristing to have a what

808
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,279
are they cold and the charakter 
jackobs. 

809
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,479
What Kind of character likes to 
go is this or that is AP 

810
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,800
interesting because i like it? 
Is so there's problem and 

811
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:53,439
diagnose is for that. 
So last but not least, time is 

812
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,080
flying. 
Wow, it's talk about the 

813
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,680
overshadowing and the 
overshadowing is not a detection

814
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:05,840
topic, so it's everywhere in or 
everyday lives and consuring 

815
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:11,320
dogs and not consuring dogs. 
But we we one into this topic a 

816
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:19,600
lot and so there are some parts 
of over shadowing that are need 

817
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,960
it and wanted and different 
aspects. 

818
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,400
We try to avited sometimes it's 
helpful in the beginning to get 

819
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:34,480
rid of cuse and or to get to 
transform the cuse from verbal. 

820
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,160
Or from from physical or body 
language to verbal kuse et 

821
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:44,720
cetera, but baby you can tellar 
of viewers and listeners. 

822
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:50,320
What is the overshadowing? 
And then you will tell me if i 

823
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,480
to do. 
It's a want to me to kind of so 

824
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:02,080
i don't say it's so that's dort 
in this and if we. 

825
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,560
It my be most important for a 
person w ons to shane or hundred

826
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,680
a dog to no the differenz 
between primary and sekundary 

827
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:16,320
infosers and then how to use 
this with a oper and 

828
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:22,600
conditioning modeble as the 
framework that off to that when 

829
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,560
a person as hundred stud and 
apply that i think over 

830
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:32,360
shadowing is the next. 
Principal that is very important

831
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:40,240
to i knowledge because as you 
set it will affect or training 

832
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:52,440
and handling everyday or most in
or or disziplins and one example

833
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:55,440
to be one, we teach the dog to 
sit. 

834
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,840
Then we use lurring most of the 
time because the dog as no 

835
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,520
understanding of the swedish or 
English language, so if we's i 

836
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:10,000
sit it means nothing to the dog 
so typicly them we lurre the dog

837
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,840
to sit we have food or toy and 
on, but it toors and a big 

838
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,680
opports and the dog going to the
position and we can rinforce 

839
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:25,680
that but then made we do that 
for five minutes and off to five

840
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,040
minutes. 
There is you do's who it not sit

841
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:37,040
when you lured them, but if we 
then continue luring the luring 

842
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:42,200
we don't so bekommen the q and 
that's not what we want we want 

843
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:49,080
to replace the luring with the 
verble q sit and if i don't make

844
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:53,520
the luring at the same time as 
the verble q if i do like this 

845
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:59,920
sit. 
Chance is or that my hand 

846
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:04,800
movment we'll over shadow the 
verble true because this 

847
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,640
following this as been rin 
forest for the postfive minute 

848
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:15,280
and a movement is for mostokes 
more and more salian stimutive 

849
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:22,240
them a we're because we talk a 
lot and it means nothing to the 

850
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:27,520
dog. 
So then in order to avoid the 

851
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,920
over shadowing of the movement, 
i need to get a new q before the

852
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:38,160
old q so i need to sit and then 
do the lovering then we can 

853
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,800
avored over shadowing and then 
we need to be disziplin and 

854
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,000
that's what the handkaufs my 
commin to picture if people kind

855
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,000
of thay wave them moving air 
hand. 

856
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,760
And offen. 
We think we just doing a very 

857
01:13:55,880 --> 01:14:01,160
smore supernovment, but it will 
steel over shadow the verble 

858
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,600
Judo and not get the dog a 
chance to. 

859
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,840
And there it's a interesting to 
do a video analysis when the 

860
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,480
people see ok, when does the dog
act from the verble cuted comes 

861
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:26,960
first or short motion? 
Ok, what i really hope that you 

862
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:31,400
what have. 
Not a Excel what i have no. 

863
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,160
I singer what it's comes to we 
shut it i have an infinity of a 

864
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,480
haupt of excel and. 
And. 

865
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:43,680
We just to tam me witch one I'm.
Choking Never Never Quit choking

866
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,960
Spaß nie beiseite as Stefan Sess
so. 

867
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,680
Of course, i think this is a 
great example and specialy. 

868
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:58,280
I think special when it comes to
detection dogs i or working dogs

869
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:05,840
that we're training now is i one
to reli or i wanna have a 

870
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,360
reliable dog on global cuse 
because in many cases they will 

871
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,280
not have to chance to observe 
and myself as i hand was so. 

872
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,920
And that's not even talking 
about radio guide a training. 

873
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:22,000
This is just about having a dog 
who's no this not torts me but 

874
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:27,040
somewherels and and when i gift 
is disriminatives QI want in to 

875
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:32,240
react, but for for the topic 
detection it would be very 

876
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:37,600
christing for all listeners to 
understand the idea of this over

877
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,720
shadowing when it comes to the q
of odor. 

878
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,760
It was the the ordor of the the 
target ordors of are dogs you 

879
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,120
them. 
And wenn wenn the found of used 

880
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,680
a dog to show, so it behavior 
indication behavior, what have 

881
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:56,880
we want to call it or how it to 
look but we talk to about 

882
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:01,640
contamination of training ordors
today and yesterday and that 

883
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:07,680
there is a risk specialy with 
the example of soliva that gets.

884
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,480
On to the odors or on the 
training samples and what's 

885
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,600
what's the problem of that 
because i think they are. 

886
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,120
This is AA little thing that 
many people to on the stand and 

887
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:22,040
inprove there training a lot 
because they get mork a careful 

888
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,200
about how to handle do's things 
and baby you know how to aboy 

889
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:35,120
it. 
Here's so there's i have a 

890
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:40,960
problem. 
Heap in myself, short what? 

891
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,960
I just have to go to the toled 
and really hungry but take your 

892
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:50,880
time and. 
So, if for example in the 

893
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:55,920
beginning of the training you 
they do line ups, so then you 

894
01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:00,280
will for example, have a line of
with six containers, we you have

895
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:05,440
a send, we will six or twent 
containers and then. 

896
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:15,280
I want my dog to indicate heroin
was i put heroin or something 

897
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:26,560
apps it does and battery what in
the containers and if we don't 

898
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:34,000
have the six containers i have 
heroin in this one and the dog 

899
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,640
is searching. 
And it finds the heroin here it 

900
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,440
will stay longer here. 
Then will the at the ones so it 

901
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:50,160
will breathmore and it will 
probable, also sniffmore here so

902
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:58,720
there will be some saliva and 
myukos from the nose, and that 

903
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,160
means this container will, is 
man a literable different and 

904
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,960
the at the ones. 
And if you or down alacy Person,

905
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:13,200
so you i don't Ted my Twister on
me, you take Twister and you moo

906
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,040
this hold container in the linel
and the next time. 

907
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,680
The Dog is searching, it finds 
the right container in your 

908
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:27,920
mind, just I'm rewarding the dog
for indicating the Heroin in the

909
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,960
Dogs mind as What's Mans here 
is. 

910
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,000
My saliva. 
Could be it lease, there is a 

911
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,160
big it. 
Executly we don't have the 

912
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,320
control or what it is, we're 
reenforcing the dog for we just 

913
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:48,480
see that it's indicates the 
right container we feel happy. 

914
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,120
Because we know that it's there 
and that's i think one of the 

915
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:00,320
mostin christian questions that 
you off few times and parts 

916
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,000
todays is. 
When we watch some videoclips 

917
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:10,520
and you are what has been reward
it and the people who listen and

918
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,320
watched are in the topic so 
that's at what the indication 

919
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,000
behavior what what did really 
happen or what did the dog 

920
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:24,720
really sense in the moment of 
hearing the sekundary force or 

921
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:30,800
receiving the primary one. 
And it's family easit to test 

922
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,680
what behaver do we see an 
increase frequency on and what 

923
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:41,120
we see manitimes if they don't 
change the container, so if they

924
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,400
don't take out the harry and put
it in the other containers, but 

925
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,840
just move the hole container is 
that the do's will go and 

926
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,960
indicate this container was them
beatn rewarded for indicateing 

927
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,800
that container because it's men 
of a more newcos or soliba. 

928
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,080
Or because it's men of something
different or in the worst phase 

929
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:07,360
because they have been touching 
it when moving because for 

930
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:13,120
manitogs the henders send is 
very saliant send and if the 

931
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,800
logis reward it for indicating 
this container, it's quite likel

932
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:24,480
that it's reward it for 
indicating the henders send so. 

933
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,520
And this happens a lot also when
we're more advance, then the 

934
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:34,080
line ups so when we start hiding
if we hid there cot, it's here 

935
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:41,040
in this book, and we send it oak
to indicated search indicates. 

936
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:45,800
We're a one it and then we're 
lazy so we don't replaceed 

937
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,760
target and we send it oak from 
the other side, we're send a 

938
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,880
second o to search and indicate 
the same. 

939
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,320
Then we Owen solus control, 
we're the dog is indicating the 

940
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:03,920
heroin or the saliva on ukurs oh
we've you're been trowing a bowl

941
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:09,120
this outer all, the bowl here 
and that is onevery.com and 

942
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,880
reason for produzing for the 
words in dos and. 

943
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,320
What you said at this is very 
important to think of and 

944
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,440
we're.com and the dog is. 
In the early steps of auto 

945
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:27,280
conditioning because i think 
later on this is also good 

946
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:35,920
distractor and fusure that maybe
you you even used at a can or it

947
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:43,080
tin that not a dog indicated on,
but distok was searching for con

948
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:48,160
and distok now a search is for. 
Explosivs and night a noah 

949
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,440
should indicat on the can. 
We're also the bit and 

950
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,600
Indication. 
So we need to prove the dog off 

951
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,880
of the stings, but if we have 
privacy reen for them for 

952
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,480
indicating they're on solivar 
other dog solivar it just makes 

953
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:12,720
the road bumpir it we take more 
times and maybe more importanty 

954
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,480
the dog, he sexual and not 
searching for experience. 

955
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:21,360
Blow sips, what is what we think
so we will them miss more 

956
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:28,360
explosivs them we what have need
it to a the wise so i think at 

957
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:33,360
least from the point we're start
to inprint the dog with the 

958
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:41,600
actional target odor, then your 
sense of odor hi gene should be 

959
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,920
very hi. 
And you need to think here that 

960
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,760
you don't create and the other 
liest come on the nominators, 

961
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:56,240
then the actional target or and 
this produzes or kind of 

962
01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:02,800
practical problems so for x 
onpalu if we want to contaminate

963
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:11,800
things we can i probed the have 
washa here we can contaminate 

964
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,120
this with. 
Explosives reputed in jar with 

965
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:21,200
exposives and then or some 
monitudes of exposives on this 

966
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:27,440
one, and then we can place this 
if we are and to do, we is 

967
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:32,920
snaped indicate and we don't 
think it's indicating the samt 

968
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:40,720
text oh do, but if i have be 
touching this got for bit to dog

969
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,120
is. 
Probering not even recognizing 

970
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,760
the samt x ordor because my odor
he's over shadowing the samt x 

971
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,560
ordor yes. 
And also your focus goes to the 

972
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:58,560
things you know best, so if the 
don't knows handle send best he 

973
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,520
quicker reax to what you knows 
best raded and to what you my 

974
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,840
patch of learned you there's a 
go. 

975
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:12,400
For sure. 
If i think that of course it 

976
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,760
mics of all of sense. 
But it does and stop there and 

977
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,200
that's the problem because i 
think most of us. 

978
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:25,600
We're not touch the object we 
want to do's to search, but the 

979
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:32,400
eveny find have a tweaser or in 
the worscase glams touching the 

980
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:37,000
artical that i have contaminated
will out or so you find have 

981
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:41,680
this to get a with seventix. 
Then this is coat some molicules

982
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:47,680
of sentix, but when i as it in 
the environment, the molicules 

983
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:54,000
will start to drift away and 
that's that's as are it groß, 

984
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,640
otherwise if the molicules stick
to this, there is nothing in the

985
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:04,000
headspace about for the dog to 
actually sniff so we need the 

986
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,200
molicules to leave and this 
produces at. 

987
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:13,200
Two new problems that we also 
and a times create issue was 

988
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:19,920
with detection dogs and one is 
that at some point this artical 

989
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:25,600
we have last so many samticks 
monitues that it's men is more 

990
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:33,280
of other things, maybe the 
material it's constructed off or

991
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,920
maybe other things that is 
that's bean in contact with. 

992
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,960
So I'm thinking, I'm not 
training i dope to search for 

993
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,880
samtex and it's reliply 
indicating the orkic ins i of 

994
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,800
contaminated the dogis win 
forest for searching for i on 

995
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,080
was searches washers or things 
that have binning contact win 

996
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,320
ikea surnicer and that's not 
what i want my dog to search 

997
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,840
for. 
So when we use contaminated 

998
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:11,200
material, we need mcsure that it
is really produzing a strong 

999
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:16,800
odor of what we will want to dog
to search for that means it's 

1000
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:22,480
disposible items, we're conused 
and ones, but then we can not 

1001
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:25,360
good them back in the jar to get
the will out of ones because 

1002
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,760
that we will contaminate them 
and it will on so have lost song

1003
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,840
of it's explosivens so. 
With need to throw them away, so

1004
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,040
it's quite expensive to you was 
contaminated articles. 

1005
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:48,040
Sure the overshadowing is also 
something that we use on 

1006
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:52,160
purple's white coms to pairing 
when we do out or conditioning, 

1007
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:57,600
so there we trite to overshader 
the known o'dor i've verry small

1008
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:01,680
beastof.com, for example, with 
with the new one set. 

1009
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,960
What Els what comed you're mind 
when it's going to over 

1010
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,160
shadowing we're us it or we try 
to avite it they're one last 

1011
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:15,280
example. 
So trecking is a good example, 

1012
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:19,520
there we can back chain the 
trecking from indicating 

1013
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,520
articles in the truck. 
That's an easyway of training 

1014
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,440
tracking, but then we need to 
like sure that the excel shrek 

1015
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,840
over shadows the articles. 
The vice the dogis just for in 

1016
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:38,160
fors for searching for articons 
and that's not on uncomon in 

1017
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,400
draging. 
And i just was eagons for sure 

1018
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,080
you're going to this problem. 
We're he's started to searching 

1019
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,440
kong ralden sticking to the 
track. 

1020
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:54,880
So then we need so for example 
Kong pieces. 

1021
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,000
They.com will the benefit that 
the bog may be train to indicate

1022
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:04,280
compises, but they have the 
negative side that they's men a 

1023
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:10,080
lot yes, so then they will over 
shadow the food steps on the 

1024
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:15,280
going for ex on, and we want to 
be the other way around so then 

1025
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:20,800
it's battle to have a sweatifit 
walk on the hard service and 

1026
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,120
have wasers small wasers will 
small. 

1027
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:30,400
Articles what the dogis staying 
in the contaminated aria and the

1028
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,160
twibing contaminateing with all 
feed and that's where it finds 

1029
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:40,880
articles and this reenforce and 
so we can then make the our send

1030
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:47,360
from our food steps are in 
shadow the articles we can like 

1031
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:53,520
you so it and when we want the 
dogs to start treking on grass 

1032
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,240
or veditative surface is. 
That's what we really need to 

1033
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:04,640
take care when i walk on grass 
it i leave just as my cent from 

1034
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:11,720
me as one i walk on hard surface
like concrete or torna, but we 

1035
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:16,440
want to do just to follow the 
cent of the human or animal, not

1036
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:21,600
the crust Meditation so we need 
to take care that especialy on 

1037
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:26,320
editate service. 
We leave a lot of send that can 

1038
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,720
over shadow the center of the 
crush preditation because 

1039
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,080
otherwise we just green forcing 
that over following the crush 

1040
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,080
preditation i'm no one to 
tracking don't like that. 

1041
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:44,280
Ja, no Fusion not ja it's grid 
so the over shadowing is 

1042
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:52,160
something that a follow us in 
over the everywhere in life and.

1043
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,520
Thinking and talking about this 
things proberies the best way to

1044
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,200
start understanding them and 
realizing we're it o cures and 

1045
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,960
how it effects are training in 
the performance. 

1046
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:11,880
In the training we're we good be
more careful and maybe also some

1047
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,680
steps, we're we need it and use 
it so. 

1048
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:21,440
And Curiosity also comes in to 
play because we can offen test. 

1049
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:26,640
Like with the tracking champen 
and i'm sorry if this makes your

1050
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:32,080
blatter explode Hey if i hit 
Conny you don't can with the 

1051
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:36,160
tracking is you have to do the 
follows the track on grass 

1052
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:42,160
perficy find, but when the track
enters a hard surface, the do 

1053
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:47,760
glucks like the track ends that 
we know doke is following. 

1054
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,000
The send of the crust reitation 
not the send for the human or 

1055
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,320
animant and it's good to make 
tests like this. 

1056
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,400
We don't expect to don't to 
learn and it's in, but we expect

1057
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,840
or sellos to learn what test 
actually bean green forest for 

1058
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:11,200
this no, and then we know ifolos
the track of crust reitation and

1059
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,840
good then we can right to over 
shadow the crust reitation. 

1060
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:21,560
Exactly ja. 
That's the information from 

1061
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:27,040
failure that is just that is so 
important and so useful. 

1062
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,680
And we can make you so we the 
next do we train of then we can 

1063
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,000
aboy the failure and be we will 
fail. 

1064
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:39,640
We're some of me ands that. 
Yes sure grate there was there 

1065
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:43,120
was awesome. 
I have one last question orimos 

1066
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,640
and last but not least, but this
is from my predious guest. 

1067
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:51,400
I had one to episode thing quit 
Christ, we so Christ is not out 

1068
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:57,360
to as can equestions and dr. 
Matthias Sebald I show you 

1069
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:05,600
before would is great guy great 
that so cool had his to certury 

1070
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:13,280
dann by him and his question is 
what dog breed would discrime 

1071
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,800
bure character. 
In the forse is would be dog 

1072
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:23,520
breeds so he've there is any 
kind of mix in in your charakter

1073
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:30,320
found so what what it be from 
the many approved breeds from 

1074
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:41,520
the fci and I can't time. 
The one that coms to mind 

1075
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:47,360
instantly no because i want it. 
But because i think it is like 

1076
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:53,680
that is a labrador. 
Oh because I'm. 

1077
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,440
You're a grate guy and hungry, 
I'm. 

1078
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,400
Almost constanty hungry. 
Is. 

1079
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,120
I am family Motivation but I 
will so have. 

1080
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:14,160
A will to please and I'm a bit a
frate of the conflicts. 

1081
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:23,280
Ok, so I think I'm you have a 
labrador them andy other toff 

1082
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,440
breep that like like maybe to i 
don't find my set fas. 

1083
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,080
I think Labrador is a great 
dogs. 

1084
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:36,240
So this we're you, we're suppose
to say but you're action the 

1085
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:38,960
moninal. 
But it's it's ok. 

1086
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:47,360
No, i think them it reality 
pension what purpus you are 

1087
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:53,360
bratford. 
So or a. 

1088
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:57,760
Cokusdaniel oh but yourtwo.com 
for that. 

1089
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,000
And it i is so to about 
cokusdaniel but i have and 

1090
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irish. 
Person that would be very upset 

1091
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:12,760
if i call myself. 
Ok, now we're going to do of and

1092
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:19,000
that i know i'm a remisting you 
would like to announce oh what 

1093
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,240
is your question, that's the 
last question, what is your 

1094
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:26,320
question for the next guest, not
knowing what will be? 

1095
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,960
Give an what we have just and 
talk about it would be. 

1096
01:34:31,480 --> 01:34:36,120
And I hope i don't put in one on
the spot here so you have to one

1097
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:40,800
them, bevor we're you they not 
to with me, no that's what be 

1098
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:50,360
there and word example over over
shadowing we're they have 

1099
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:55,360
created a pattern, that's 
realimate them strugger you to 

1100
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:00,080
over shadowing grate question. 
I like to was. 

1101
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:07,920
Ja, Perfect I will make a not of
this one and the ascape to the 

1102
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:14,080
next one not get knowing would 
will be i have to women in mind 

1103
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:24,480
to to farto less women on the 
podcast, but i will be to coming

1104
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:29,360
definitly and i will not tell 
you guys now would will be but. 

1105
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,640
I'm the reducting for what to it
zone or late a baby find the 

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01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:38,480
time or i will find the time to 
to interview them grate so any 

1107
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:42,880
anything out see what like to 
point out anything any events or

1108
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:51,120
courses workshops. 
No not really if people have the

1109
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,240
using or progression pance in 
the app. 

1110
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:59,200
I'm very curius for Feedback. 
Ja, especially what? 

1111
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:05,280
What steps they struggle to with
and witch needs to be replaced 

1112
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,800
or split in to smoder steps that
will be really haveful. 

1113
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,160
That's that's a great great 
point. 

1114
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:19,040
Ja, so every one use in the App 
don't have to reach out and 

1115
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:26,400
offer some constructive kritics 
and ja, i think this is it. 

1116
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:31,520
Thank you jens for taking your 
time and it's always a pleasure 

1117
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:37,840
listening to your thols and 
explinations and a lot to learn 

1118
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,760
for for all of us. 
So thanks again. 

1119
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:46,280
Thank you guide for listening or
watching and the show it have 

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01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:50,000
not been very very pow for i 
think we're go of a little be 

1121
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:55,680
tired and thirsty and hungrig 
but. 

1122
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:01,440
Ja, thanks for listing also 
don't forget disipscribe to a 

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01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:06,960
youtube channel to the podcast 
what ever app you listen to it 

1124
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,680
on spotifine, orables, concasts 
etc. 

1125
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,120
He was a rating, let us no what 
we should do better in the 

1126
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:18,120
future and also send a sun 
options for or suggestions for 

1127
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:24,760
topics that i could talk about 
with my next guests so take care

1128
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:28,400
see you the next time. 
And we're going to have a great 

1129
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,640
dinnerer but i. 
Good. 

1130
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,360
Super. 
Super i also need to p I'm 

1131
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,640
that's you can go first. 
Go i have there's free toilets. 

1132
01:37:38,880 --> 01:38:21,080
Ah ok, i will on this take one. 
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