Learning to be resilian in the face of the challenges of life,
then ex one is for training right most of us train dogs e
there for practical work in the world of we train dogs for
competitions draging what's the what in prest me was the way
he's dogs that be in train to process filly right, they were
not only brasilian, but they were trumended studance of there
on behavers. We're do you think that the
there is a human being who is reallyable to vinish a dog in a
positive only right. Also i just.
Know she's it you know kind of a big deal on it's you know it big
deal on the not so do what a do what a talk about what brings us
here. Yeah, sure.
Ok so that's like this. A little bit short, not a full
interview and no questions. I can't take the pressure or
answering in equestions or or posing in equestions, but if if
you go just inter do's what what let us to get.
So we first of a thank you guys for listing to the episodes and
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reseved a very interesting comment.
On youtube actuity so you can't check it out and there was this
this guy or go. I don't know and.
It's just me i am I'm peng attention, but i'm looking for
the exack comed because i'm going to ready.
Yeah, ok, and so what this comed was about is actuity that he or
she really a precaded what steward was going through and
bring clirens to the dog training.
Industry to to many of us, but there was one thing that he
would stop thinking about because like one you're one.
We haveing discusions like this here and there it might happen
that you're flopping some sentenses around that might not
have been fort through for you. I don't know how how you will.
I you will I'm good with that all sign.
I'm ok and so in the end. It was about the like steward
set something about the positive only agility sports and maybe
do's dogs what and take that not pressure in life or but I'm
shured at steward has a has a grate onser to it and he also
menschent axly. A very, very great train.
I think so is an get it. I think she's from kind of there
is an she's to legion and like she i think she's hugh in the
English Spaking dog Training Community, she's Hugh and
agility as far as I'm conserned and she also as a big potcast
and. Like bevor we dive in Toumore i
also us Chat you be d and germany like is susan garrett a
positive only proponent. And they see fuck you us.
No, no, no, it's linda. Oh ok.
No base at that cheese, a fully aware that there for the for
quadrons and and many newans is between and also.
Jet gpd quoted on the podcast that sheed it and she as many
podcast. So it was Episode two hundred
and nineteen that was quote it and I'm check the transcript so
she give the few different examples.
We're positive punisment or negative punisment, but II was
searching for a positive punisment because that's her to
most also happens to people who think they like be.
Working without punisment and that's just in illusion, so
that's the story from the beginning like steward sad that
hey flow, that's just do a quick or a short session short talk
comcuno talk to onsert is and II think we're very privileged that
he takes is time and and guides through is thoughts.
It's well fall true thots on on ontering and ok is one of will
comed on youtube. Ok so, it is that you kicking
the ball to me and now i know i's like with.
It. Ok, so like me we i don't have a
name and props a name is an assasery, but the main part the
massage was. Well there was a lot of have for
information one potic of the one is really state on my mind e
there because i don't philly ander standard or because i
would disagree with it at conserns the idea that agility
dogs trend exclusively with positive about that's are not
able the coop is stress or fillure i train you's can online
programm by susan berr gerr and from the verit beginning there's
a strong emphas is on the dog meeting the required critory one
hundred prozent. Failure is part of the Prozess,
but basic or bill berry carfly but one's a dog is master to
skill the basic or bill berry carfly but one's a dog is master
to skill the person's pontuation is good.
The. Basics or so samicolen the basic
or bill berry carfly but one's a dog is master to skill.
It is also tested to it slimance failure is in integral part of
training in the dogs land of work three.
Iphone the statements meaning my statements about positive a
jilday dogs to be guy generalos a spass is and's everything
elton the scotion was a protion if i do ons why and and i really
a pricate this comed because it's you know i ronicly i'm bing
kused of of lack of new ons and droning a sleeping
generalisation but the person who made the kritik it's so when
in a in a thotfill and a new ons way and i just really a pricate
i like i like. I like Dialog, i don't required
the dialog to be only with people who agrew is me.
I just like sockel people and i like people her are capel of new
ons and i just not this was a really.
Constructive PS of Commentary and critises and i want to pay
onner to it by a dressing. It's people so they're who have
it out was you know, thank you very much, i think was very was
well and also i think here's spot on i they're think not new
ons, then i do was sleeping journalisation i am good to as
charge and i'd like to do battle to that interm so a dressing
this point. I'm poticly from some of the
USUS viraly experience in agility right, so i to be
careful about what i say new ons about what i say so i preced a
very much, that's what that's what brings just but to get it
and i'll trud to be more new ons cher up for to my notalle bit
because I've take in the trubble you're my my way of onoring.
I used for comed it's just think deeply about it and your paremy
and so right. It's that just throw something
off the top of my in my have my response has not you do a susan
gerard because i don't know in the about susan gerard i just
know he's that you know kind of a big deal in the jility big
deal me and that have's very are strong upinions about.
The us of of ors of controlls of i that that's all i know about
as it's he as a lard repitation you're also diserves repitation
and i can't call man on her will what i can do it or her met this
or what he's teacher and i don't know what i can do is i can't
give more new ons and be more careful and expressing you know
my pining so. So what i See is that is it?
Let's go back to the idea of of positive training in agility
that's not a very specific, that's not a super used for
plays to start because it's not a specific what but what it what
what it think me think of is is my impression that airless
learning is a strong point of empases in agility and and
airless learning is the idea. That in a trial and air
procedure with an animal of learn to do something korrekt,
it is best to to controll to the absolut minimum the area part of
that right and this this idea original with Bf Skinner so so
Skinner was was interested inferences automateing teaching
and teaching machines and protocols for human studons.
To learn in the mostificion with possible and and for skinner and
aeral was not and and abital part and abitable part of
learning. It was the product of an
insufficient teaching prodokal it was a falls on the part of
the teacher not and an heard part of learning um his student
huba terras um did an empirical study that have a lot of
influence i belieb it is he. Who kind the expression airlus
learning another associate of skiners he's name was Forster
who did a post dock in in skiners lab at harbard tulk the
idea of airlus learning and applitate to human populations
populations of the human beans with perfan Challenges in Trumps
of of cognition or social Behaedor what i so, so the idea
was. That it was skinner who kind the
expression stimulus control, which is the way and a anacedan
q controls in institutmental behavior league to a consequence
right and and one of the technical problems of the
technical, the mans and animal training is to a coplus
transitions of stimulus control take up behavior on the controll
of one of ramel stimulus and transition.
Transform singulus controll suchs that a nother singulus and
pot of controll of the behavior that is a discrimination
training procedure typicly a generates many many many arers
and to the animal catches on and what what terers is point of
you. Was was that the frustration
that is generated by. On success for performance,
leading to know reanforcement is not use for it's a buy product.
This not have for what kind of we do and he can't up with a
really cool procedure and it's to ham i've we that we all the
expressions, stimulus faiting and so for so he think it out a
way to get piggins who's who's key packing was control by
visual q he think it out a way with a minimum of error to fade.
The visual q and to justinctly different visual q so that the
annual just seen lively with that like in a lot of airs and
what out experings a lot of non bring in force, but the animal
the annuals key packing was taking controller by the
transmuals so that's the idea of airless learning that that
arrers are not in hertly part of the instuctional Prozess,
they're an arteffekt of of of. Last and ideal teaching and that
we minut one we minimized them. We get benefits right and so he
is my impression i cooled be incorrect, but it is my
impression that there's a strong fokus on airless learning in
agility right like geting the dog to do every think with with
minimum of airs and. Just to do that like things
clarus for outlistance and you was.
So Agility was not just amy example that came up to your
mind agility was on point, the example that you want it to
bring up ja especialy because of this ok.
Ja because because we're talking about agility and and the
commentary so so the the reason history is that i tored on
event. I tored i kindalgie of at.
In Dezember in partnership with a colligip mine and then also in
partnership with AA very experience and so task for
agility trainer and basicly for forest and me was an adventure
and coming in the contact with the technical problems in here
and a new sport. And and learning about them and
potential are hope was just as i'm things from an outside
perspektive that what be used for like what be have for right
and so, so yeah, that's specificly sock about agility
and so so that's go back to my rolf will but i will goard the
incalcation in the dog. The development in the dog of
resilians in the face of adversity as in explicit goal of
training right, so that's for me.
That's part of the Training as you teed the dog skills you make
the dog successful, but also you developed the dogs resilians and
the reason to the dogs resilians is it personal.
The Dogs resilians is nieder for life life is life is har for a
dog i can be hard two and and harder and not geting a cookie.
But not geting o cookie and processing that successfully and
with resilians as a good plase for a dog to star learning to be
resilian in the phase of the chelages of life, then ex one is
for training right most of as train dogs e there for pratgal
work in the world of we train dogs for competitions draging
we's the dogs will have to perform and extinction meaning
in a setting, we they will not be rean forst.
They will have to perform for long pays of time without
primary reinforcement AA very conventional, very well
accepted, and we're we'll proven and we have doing out is supput
the dog on random sketchles reinforcement and to lean no
sketchles out to a grate to grey that is calabated to.
The Training objectives right like how long is you're all be
the ands rutin going to be how long is your dogs dody cycle as
a detector dog how long to see have to work of a they surching
when he is unlikely to find a real world target right, so we
the lean out and we random i's dogs reinforsment sketchals
that's a kind of university that because as emotional responses
in the dogs is so we need we need the dogs resilians for
that. And then the final one is is for
competition if we have real will will work like if you're setting
down the helicopter someplays with a bunchuk is one armor and
caring wapons and that have to texture dogs with them every,
but he's going to be in an emotional stay and they make it
in a situation that in bols of versips the dog that that team
the pens on as got to be resilian when you take it all do
a competition that you have perpared it off for for a team
mots you've busted your us, you're hilly invested in this
competition, you are emotional that and lee to adversity for
your dog right, just the setting can be diffical for your dog, so
in need the dogs resilians for training for life and for
competition or service so for me and and here part of the
training prosis is not to just to teats the dog knowledge, but
to develop the dogs charakter. And one of the ways, a basure
and charakter is how does the anual perform in the phase of
the adversity so adversity and changes so so that's first.
Bevor i go much for there, that's define a changer
adversity and dog training, and we can define a perty prozise
the and trumps of the dogs frequency of contax with the
versus and the evversives can be in the nature of a positive
continuity we is. And affectively negatively
valanceed aversive meaning like a positive puniser that all
going to in a contact with something as notres or the
aversive can be in the nature of a negatively a negative
continuity, a negative relations shop with it's kind of a double
negative, but the absons of a plusin stimulus right, so word
just talking about positive punchment.
Or negative punishment a versity at versity and Challenge can.com
from geting shit. You don't like because they
don't feel good and I'll produise a good they don't
produise a good a motion or in a sur comsance or you expect to
receive something you want you don't get it that also it is an
a versive experience so those are bold tools that we mail us
and dog training that or going to chance the dog.
Now that's go back a moment and and clare for.
Just do it how to you how to you title this a challenger of
University. I is II say adversity and and
adversity and then i'm also using a general term to just
call it challenge because the idea and the connitation a
challenge is that is that it is a challenge and it's also a call
to surmont. Right like the ide of I'm
challenges implizit in the ide of challenge is that we if we're
challenges he man beans it it's out or it's in our nature and
it's all will start do you are to are selfs and are do you to
the people that we dependopon to surround the challenge and to
develop to be commore them we are i'm talking about the
challenges that comed to dogs in training and what I'm sing is i
don't nesses all if we're gared this my job to ramuve challenges
from training. II think it's my job to aquip
the dog just sucessly handle of the chance that are going to.com
and some times to very carefly construct the changes for the
dog to develop the dog and these are experenses and in in
handling University and then so so that's oh that's go to the me
go back so one i talk of that he's challenges that i've
defined as contact with a versive experenses.
That me be explosive and say that the oversives or respons
continent, so i'm think oversives that or continent up
pud the dogs behaviour that or love libelator to the dogs
behavious i'm not talking about rain them bad shit happening to
dogs what are being training i'm talking about training this well
constructed so that the oversives or love libelators the
dogs behaviour they're continent bot the Dogs.
Right meaning, the dog has control of this University.
Yeah for up, yeah. If they know them if.
They know right and so, so that's the part from the
aversive. The the aversive experience is
that abroad by contact we're in in positive condinusies with
knock just stimuli and then just like at the challenges that a
produzed by expectiar or based on the stimuli and the situation
and and then no getting i'm so now we're tage about they get a
pomersman so to we're training if we wish to train dogs in a
way that supports and. Have's willfare then one of our
do this one of alligations is to a give the dogs predictibility
to give the dogs information so that they what what no what will
happen to them next, so it's a dog is korrekt, we all
understand it's good technic in ramany in ramany situations
training situations. To give the dog in explizit he's
information sank that he has don't the writing he or she as
don't the writing for me dogs are it's right there he's an
she's and and it's all phonic as i was a some the dogs i he it
that you can call me sex is what have a anyway dogs are mails and
femails for me not it's right so part me if i's a he more off and
then she but anyway so. We all primaticreate it's
understood that we just like the dark no instantly when the
animals korrekt for a number of technical resons and one of them
is to get maximum predicibility to the animal because only with
predicibility coms control. And this or the two things that
we us that two most powerful agence that we us to give the
doggy agency in training, we just a most important think we
can do the was sure the train dogs willfare right that
pertacking in for stress from stress, but a sureing that's the
dog hasbols proticability and controlability off of that shit
that up ins to am and training both or positraine forcers or
consern and also we're punersers or consern what i's a punersers
i mean. At the ponershers and also
negative ponershers or a mission keys things that tell you you
think and i get what you want to get right.
So so if it's are job to get the dog maximum predicidility we all
inters and that we're should like the dog know right away
when you do something right and manysoar.com sands of that's for
it is arable. But also when that up's so
something wrong, he nees a pees of information and my uping and
as timely as possible right have to he's on the definational
aspect to behave your you don't do this right, he nees a bees
information think he'd do that right so that can hopely be
feedback he's from the dog like he understands.
Well on off, he's job so the one he commits and air he nose in
the next moment based on what he just it feedback kus from the
situation and from hisbody what he dove this part is isbody what
he nose, he was wrong as feedback kusa I'm that's that up
also there or I'm situations where and in let's realize in
agility agility is very. Discrimination rich there are
other floms of dogs for with the dog doz and have a lot of
choices and the dog, the dog doz and have a lot of fine grane
choices. We're the the the train behabor
can be onerly korrekt and one of simily simily situation and in
another simily situation that lux a lot like it.
A they korrekt, it's a zero right agility as there rigin.
This is the one of the most interesting things of out a jil
right so disrimination is at the hard of a jily, so if a dog e
mits, a behave your the in a disrimination problem, that's
incorrect, it's got information from as open body and senses
that he that it wrong is going to stands well on up i.
I get the ronk think or because you can have a signal sand you
that the ronk they so that means that adversity is going to be in
hard. He's going to get signal sand he
that's a bronk right, what's the nature of a signal telling you
you that's some think ronk you're not can be reinfors it's
kind of a quiz crash and for you because we've talked about of a
cuple times and a airbus. So you know all you this and i
if you've lust and it this interviews but to me and
florian, bevor there's a quest question for you and then also
for for flying, it's a quiz bushy that's me a cuple hard
fucking questions, and this is one coming back at you right get
even so what's the nature of AQ that's this no rean for.
A Mission Q. You how's it bill, what's the
psychological Prozess on what it's on what it's bill.
What I think we talk about the differencise of building it or
or conditioning it to the dog like my classis approach we i
have my approach we're i tell the dog to.
The we'll those a procesers there's are procesers but win
you can't on you have a stimulus that's been condition in a
particular why. Us in a.
Psychological proces and it has an name a very procesening
patrobian inhibitor. I'm.
Publobean it. Ok, i don't have to.
You AQ that tells you something as not at a happent to you that
you like spect to happent the u based on all the other kus in
the situation and clubing on behager is a pebblobean and
hibber a pebblobean and hibberer.
We don't have time to go in the science of what a pebblobean and
hibberer drus is it produces a he done a querversal so if an in
in hibberer. If a signal pavlobian signal
tells you're reward you expected is now not going to happen.
It takes on the apposit affective emotional value from
the thing it's predicting so if if a dog, it's a signal, it's
not going to be fat, it's not can to play get to play with
it's ball that signal backons a pavlobian inhibitor as the
apposit emotional v you of the thing it's predicting.
So on a mission q for food sucks and feels bad on a mission q for
playing with your ball sucks and feels bad because they ball
signal that you're knock and a get what you expect to you're
going out right so we can do two things of out this right, so so
the doggis it in a get information song that he'den do
a right he's knock and a get pay that's going to make in feel
bad. Right that's going to be that's
going to be a chance that's going to be an adverse
experience, the more modevator and anomaly is the more power
for at adverse experience that is right, so we do two things
about that one of about me is we can take the airless learning
approach and we can minimis to the outside extat with an are
power the number of airers that the dog max so that he does in
experience at versid right, the other approach is to.
Explizitly take this chance of being toll, win your wrong and
teased to dog out a prozess it constructory the trainers that i
at myer of the most or people who do both of us they very
carefully and skillfully engineer criterian for andy
given trial so that they don't just what's the dog make my
stakes. They construct my sticks on
there on schedule when they will be the best learn it the best of
us constructive learning experenses for the dog bull to
the dogs at versity and also to sharp in the dogs understanding
of a difficult, disramination or difficult behavar and then also
all will's in a parallel or an offline procesure they teach the
dog to handle frustration in a constructive right.
To to prozess is of a vers of in in a constructor what with means
to fortfully carefully take mind that what you last did and try
again, but don't per severate don't do exactive the sameting
again don't do something random take the information, take the
mark of once behager and try again.
Right in a in a in a omost dog version a being mindful right
and with springs is to another aspect of agility, which is that
if i am correct like i've never what's a naturity competition
all of that is what's a lot of agility training, a taxes
magility people, but if i'm korrekt one of the technical
difficulties in agility is that oh.
One of the aspekts, the motivational engines that's
running agility for lot of these dogs.
Is there not just jumping jumps and running to tube and shit
like that because there's a rean forcer of the end they're doing
it because it's intrinsity rean, forcing they're active fast
moving dogs and they're right plaser rean forcement from
jumping from running from music there botties right and so.
Winner Dog jumps, the wrong jump or jumps it in the wrong
direction or mics Andy One of the you know kind was my sex
that are dog and make on cores and agility there is an
intrinsic green forers but. That can be present that can lea
theorg perticaly if it does an understand the signals, it's
gotten ride out of the the the air to just persevery jump
again, jump something different jump other ship whatsapper just
start jumping because jumpings fun jumping it's me rean fors i
don't don't just on here as I'm just kind of jump a right and so
as i intersin it that's one of the takual probs an agility is
it's you can tell it doggies wrong.
And it just are championship without uping land is out uping
land is last, and or that the dog is there resensative to to
all mission q to fail your and that the dog can feel on off
prusure that equits jumping that's for the exit i have a
seen what my on i i's a cuple of what lip like predic will train
a jiledy dogs that we're exedingly sensative to failure
right and also i so a cuple of. Supply Beautifly Trend Agility
Dogs. Who?
Win they fail and we're toll the that failed shot a very higlevel
of suffestication and fluency and processing a mission kuse
like this dogs new instant that the lasting that it was a my
stick because it was signal to them, but there handler they
stop on the dimed because that's what they we're top to do and
then they. Quiet it, they can't and they
listent intently for the next command and the next command.
My be my be backup because now you're an a plays for you can't
do a correctly so i need you to go back to one if you but for
you get your next chance or i need you do this is so so they
man have to process them inrum commands.
And then triic at these jogs, we're beautifle train it one i
see and what i say impresstny was not the jumping the jumps
that's impressive, but i don't understand the technical details
on or need that that exits on pressive what in pressed me was
the way this jogs that be in train to process filure right,
they we're not really brasilian, but they we're trumend the
students of there on behafers so the mom of they we're mar the
mom of they're told your wrong. They shot what i will Call a
fluency resilians of fluency mindfulness that it not per
separate that it in try the samting agan that it in try
random shot, they try that new thing a new generation of what
they just did and they we're super good it in the way that
you can't look at it up who's have a lot of free operate work
a lot of free shaping work from some, but he who's really we the
good it free shaping. So, The Dog bekommst a tramendis
Active Larner and a tramendis studden of it's on behavar
right. I was sing that in refers, i was
sing dogs with one of fluent, a wonderful fluency and facility
in circum senses of philia right, and so there's a
resilians aspekt of that two. We've talk to about frustration
so far as just being the unplusent the chalage aspekt of
doing something wrong and realizing that you don't
something wrong based and information that you're give it,
but also one of the most influential accounts of resilian
responding under the agversity of leans gadgets or inforcement
or and extinction of what every is a frustration theory that was
first articulate. And pot out by Dr. Abram amsil
on the Home, i was Fortune and of just study at the university
of texas and and a center to the idee underfustration theory is
that the animal much of the animal behagor that the
discrimined of q that the animal that that driving controll that
dogs behagor many of them are the anmal paper many of them are
inton the intonal q. That or condition to behaviors
and so the essence of frustration, there is if the
enem has experience of frustration and is a two there
the through the frustrateing experience in the properay
frustration because condition to performance when the animal
feels frustrated the animal do's an give up the animal do's an do
random stuff. The animal engages in the
behavior that adjustride more strongly, but what we need in
agility, the animals persisted the animals resoyed, but what we
need the agility dog to do if I'm korrekt I'm from an, I'm an
outsider is to mindfully Prozess what it just it think how it to
do it different in a clothy related right and in give it at
truck and. And maybe give it a triagan and
maybe give it a triagan and go to several literations of doing
at on and then when it does it rye and is mark with the
secondar reinforcer grab on to what it the differentling that
situation to or rib it's sucess so this or so uply these are
more new on stones. About definity.
About about agility about the sensitivity to fill your that
may be present and in agility dogs and if my if my if my
impressions or korrekt and and what we what i'veford a
particular with as perseveration problem is consern is is you're
what you do when you're dealing with a behabor problem.
That you're trine is supress, we'll what the or trine is
supress the incrike behave or the beave or prola with positive
punishment or not one of the first things it you do is you
trine to with draw or reduce the reinforsment that you've the
incrike behave your trine well if you can do that.
If you can't not get ridd of if you can't redused to zero the
reanforcements cash and also of corse you, you rase the
reanforcement that you do an the right thing or not do an the on
thang i, but if you can't redus the and transsequent forcement
of the missbehager to zero, then what I'll an pricly of the amles
proseverate and just jumping jumps in for the joy of jumping
jumps and it was know what do. What also can you do will one
think that's you can do is you can entry do's all mission q's
providy the doggas resilian and off and you've givenem the
funamental equipment inits not just in terms of of startrer nus
and persevires on the challenge, but also in terms of mindfilly
processing, the situation and figuring out what i do wrong
what i do this calls your relator to it that my b right.
Right if the dog has a perperation, but the dog is
still per severating one think that we can do is we can
magilate the calls to the dog of the emission q what or a mission
q is as it a used the dozaman you're not going to get a reward
what it dozaman is your reward is going to be delate and you're
going to have to do more work to get it that's an off to trigger
profan frustration. And adversity for some dogs if
they're all prepared, so ones we've perpared the dog if we
still up a problem will the dog per severating and not learning
the we've can't can we're going to dock when we're can't get the
dog more time the think by using a time out all mission
procedure. We can take to do it out in the
situation and make to don't wait for it's next chance.
You can't all thematicly reset and one again and have the joy
of oning the problem and that we're about it was korrekt or or
incorrect like you're going to have to a way and for do who
really really was to work really was the command it do it again
because what is the command it do it again, it's a pewlowy in
exider you have a sociate it with for war.
So, when the doggas the wrong think and you're tell them hey,
but it that was the wrong think that's do it going you're a
medity give in a posit or infosion right, you're a medity
think we're word is in the off think so how can we get the a
mission q more punch i can we magilate the experience of non
reward, so that's stronger we can make the dog way.
But that's going to be super aversive to the talk so
essential what i offer this offer this SA as a potential
tool because i was are really i we're the andy agility trainers
what doingness you think time out proceders but also i was
going at what's seen black a lot of sensitive in the dogs that i
so working i's at hey, so this tool may be av you to agility if
it as a mentrider it's new. You're like Kind of Bad Judo
plays that's the dog has to go to and way of prior to it's next
chance to do it correctly, but you're going to have to per the
dog for this you're can have for per the dog in many many many
ways and the benefit will be. I think my predictive benefit
for will be if some of the executes at well is that you
will develop the ability. To get more word done with your
mission keys and and to make the dog fastor to learn important
disraminations that he's haveing truble learning and you're also
with a develop is resilians. He's abily just stand the Stress
of live competition and training right what it's a specific skill
you don't just you don't just pot the dog in in time out the
punition more. You perperhim for the entire
experers you perperers wasilias you perperers understanding a
trying again you perperers understanding of the inrim
commans at he many to get in or to pare to try again.
So so uply that's a much one do ons expression and my ideas.
About agility based on my brief experance with agility and i
would i we think the person who met a comed that trigger this
this reprice this review or of the Metier.
And this was definity a grate explonation, and bevor we end
the special episode. What's your say?
It's on the that yeah, so it's it's and they stupen so it's i'm
think stupen so that's the unfuck it's fucker.
Ja, ja. No so what do you do you think
the there is a human being who is realyable to realy not just
in one session, but to finishe dog in.
How's it if only right also also noing it.
It tipance on the kind of work right it tipance on the kind of
work it tipance on the setting and with the dogers going to do
the work it tipance on the kind of dog it tipance on the skill
of the trainer and it tipance on the time frame.
I'm like time pressure you under right.
So i can tell you there's I'd all that go and it it so it is
sure be on my ability to finish a dog using only positoring
forcement and negative ponishment it is, it is be on my
ability to finish a dog for lots a jobs using only there's two
things and also in a reasonal time for me.
Or for a client if I'm training the dark for the client, there
they're are people up there who are really give it like super,
super gut. At dogrining, they are town to
they are gift it or on top of that they have study they've the
valt there skills and people like that can get trumin is work
down and they've tor as a very much about the us a positive
right for as, but they get trumin is work down when they're
after versivisticated objective like the most empressive I'm in
a sender shout out to a kind of Simon Prince you know Simon.
Do you'll. Was so the the most?
I it it's i it's hard to say's kind of like gas you what your
favered movies right like it's some of to you're the frame
movies what are favered movies you're like i kind of one about
you like if you're so easy feeder to side what you're best
film is i i've want to one about you're you're some trouble what
that's right you're preshan a lot of films oh all out so that
it's very hard to pick a best one so it's a lot it's a lot of
suspicius for me to say the most you know.
Impressive piece, a dog train i have every seen was in the cores
of a fibemin of video i so, but if you if you as methat.com up
for some of the real, your brasim i'll tell you some of it
was fibeminats a video that Simon Prince show us of shaping
dogs to take a device that what it here to a clansmo surface
with theysuction.com. Right, so the dog takes this
device in it's move and the dog applice exact of the righticory
apprusure at exactive the right angle and til the suction cup
there is drive and out of the suction cup, it is staples as a
backum and with dog let's go with a vice it romance there and
the video shot was you know like this there we're a close up.
Of the way, the dog was Holding the device and exactive the way
the dog control. The angle it with he applited at
tend it to feed back from the device in the pressure and it
heard it to the service and i've going holy fucking ship when
there people in the ralf, you trendogs like this white at
we've in try, but my max reaction is a go ok, go larm for
them and try to get battle, but my national reaction is go.
Like that right, so if you're askin me is there arthur limits
on what people with this kind of technicalability can do i don't
will was they're arranny right like maybe maybe simon and
people with he's dicory of skill and study can't get and you
think down with it up with only possram in forstment and i get a
punch at. But I'm human.
I'm but you're but you can by. The and and i can't and i know
they're a lot of normal people out there and then my other
conduction is that we can't pertect the dogs walfare we can
i's sur the dogs walfare and support the dogs walfare win we
use the other two continues that are under or controll.
Like negative Reinforcement and positive Part so I'm going to
say what's using here can do or simon prans are going to but it
also von the männly coms at at from a positive informement
negative punchment kind of way you they're there're private and
me and they're i get farm or down that i can oh what i'm
going to say is that. For us an normal human bings,
they're two thanks try to get as good is they are and then
perhaps conceed that's going to the top of everest without
oxegion is not or go we want to get up there with oxegion and we
want to train it or beautifly. And to the limit of the
dogsibility and to the limit of r dogs of r ability was any
tools it or vables as it or compatible with the dogs.
Wellfare was are wellfare of or nabors and or community.
All right, all right. That's a really good play.
That's a good play is that what you think.
Yeah, ok, that i'm not going to say anything more x that for ok,
thank you and i i'm going to forward and to to more questions
so if you catch doxes do a tillyard talking shit and send
as a command and we will do we not a special.
I do so, so it's i try to be i. I try to be a measure and and do
was person, but people who know me, we'll no that i'm also like
a really kind of impatch you was emotional person and i get can't
was they're stupid shits on one, it's just it's just happen, so
it's the BI it happen so so the you know i can's by the third
Tom I thank the person you know thank you rimut it's it's in
conversations like this hoply that we all the.
Draw together and stat of springapart and we all like
progress together and and it was enable by the new ons to right
and what you're a lisoner busted me for not be in no.
Ons thank you so much to it for taking the time and geting
things clear again. Some lessons learned.
Plombian in hebita will now is not already burned in my memory
so. It's it's one of the motion
portant things you know that like if you don't know i for
about this down on your champ hablowian inebition it will it
will it will post challenges to you and going deperned your dog
training and understanding why some of the things it you don't
have happan happan. Definity and the understanding
of do's do's things is the critical part in the most von
part of thing on the standing with you're really doing and
white things are happening and going buy as to do so yeah,
that's that's keep it like this thanks you again, so now it's me
thanking the third time we we standing what or a.
I'm. Babai Yeah, all right happy,
he's to have. A you.