1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Learning to be resilian in the face of the challenges of life, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,120 then ex one is for training right most of us train dogs e 3 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:12,080 there for practical work in the world of we train dogs for 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,360 competitions draging what's the what in prest me was the way 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,360 he's dogs that be in train to process filly right, they were 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,560 not only brasilian, but they were trumended studance of there 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,320 on behavers. We're do you think that the 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:37,200 there is a human being who is reallyable to vinish a dog in a 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,160 positive only right. Also i just. 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,800 Know she's it you know kind of a big deal on it's you know it big 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:56,450 deal on the not so do what a do what a talk about what brings us 12 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:59,010 here. Yeah, sure. 13 00:00:59,170 --> 00:01:03,200 Ok so that's like this. A little bit short, not a full 14 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,640 interview and no questions. I can't take the pressure or 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:12,000 answering in equestions or or posing in equestions, but if if 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,640 you go just inter do's what what let us to get. 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,360 So we first of a thank you guys for listing to the episodes and 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,160 and watching the episodes on the different plattforms and we have 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,640 reseved a very interesting comment. 20 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,240 On youtube actuity so you can't check it out and there was this 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,440 this guy or go. I don't know and. 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,400 It's just me i am I'm peng attention, but i'm looking for 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,240 the exack comed because i'm going to ready. 24 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:51,120 Yeah, ok, and so what this comed was about is actuity that he or 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,240 she really a precaded what steward was going through and 26 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,640 bring clirens to the dog training. 27 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:06,000 Industry to to many of us, but there was one thing that he 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,840 would stop thinking about because like one you're one. 29 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,640 We haveing discusions like this here and there it might happen 30 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:18,080 that you're flopping some sentenses around that might not 31 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:26,640 have been fort through for you. I don't know how how you will. 32 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,120 I you will I'm good with that all sign. 33 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,640 I'm ok and so in the end. It was about the like steward 34 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:41,040 set something about the positive only agility sports and maybe 35 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,960 do's dogs what and take that not pressure in life or but I'm 36 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,920 shured at steward has a has a grate onser to it and he also 37 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,720 menschent axly. A very, very great train. 38 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,080 I think so is an get it. I think she's from kind of there 39 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:02,400 is an she's to legion and like she i think she's hugh in the 40 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,560 English Spaking dog Training Community, she's Hugh and 41 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,880 agility as far as I'm conserned and she also as a big potcast 42 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,600 and. Like bevor we dive in Toumore i 43 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,520 also us Chat you be d and germany like is susan garrett a 44 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,480 positive only proponent. And they see fuck you us. 45 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,560 No, no, no, it's linda. Oh ok. 46 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:34,160 No base at that cheese, a fully aware that there for the for 47 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,120 quadrons and and many newans is between and also. 48 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,080 Jet gpd quoted on the podcast that sheed it and she as many 49 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,760 podcast. So it was Episode two hundred 50 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,920 and nineteen that was quote it and I'm check the transcript so 51 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,400 she give the few different examples. 52 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,960 We're positive punisment or negative punisment, but II was 53 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,200 searching for a positive punisment because that's her to 54 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,880 most also happens to people who think they like be. 55 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,200 Working without punisment and that's just in illusion, so 56 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:21,360 that's the story from the beginning like steward sad that 57 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:28,280 hey flow, that's just do a quick or a short session short talk 58 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:33,280 comcuno talk to onsert is and II think we're very privileged that 59 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,480 he takes is time and and guides through is thoughts. 60 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:45,040 It's well fall true thots on on ontering and ok is one of will 61 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,320 comed on youtube. Ok so, it is that you kicking 62 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,640 the ball to me and now i know i's like with. 63 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,440 It. Ok, so like me we i don't have a 64 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,760 name and props a name is an assasery, but the main part the 65 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,240 massage was. Well there was a lot of have for 66 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,520 information one potic of the one is really state on my mind e 67 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,720 there because i don't philly ander standard or because i 68 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,840 would disagree with it at conserns the idea that agility 69 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:21,360 dogs trend exclusively with positive about that's are not 70 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,040 able the coop is stress or fillure i train you's can online 71 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,160 programm by susan berr gerr and from the verit beginning there's 72 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,800 a strong emphas is on the dog meeting the required critory one 73 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,840 hundred prozent. Failure is part of the Prozess, 74 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:40,000 but basic or bill berry carfly but one's a dog is master to 75 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,320 skill the basic or bill berry carfly but one's a dog is master 76 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,520 to skill the person's pontuation is good. 77 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,760 The. Basics or so samicolen the basic 78 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,560 or bill berry carfly but one's a dog is master to skill. 79 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,240 It is also tested to it slimance failure is in integral part of 80 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,280 training in the dogs land of work three. 81 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,160 Iphone the statements meaning my statements about positive a 82 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,840 jilday dogs to be guy generalos a spass is and's everything 83 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,320 elton the scotion was a protion if i do ons why and and i really 84 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,240 a pricate this comed because it's you know i ronicly i'm bing 85 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,280 kused of of lack of new ons and droning a sleeping 86 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:24,080 generalisation but the person who made the kritik it's so when 87 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,160 in a in a thotfill and a new ons way and i just really a pricate 88 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,720 i like i like. I like Dialog, i don't required 89 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,080 the dialog to be only with people who agrew is me. 90 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,880 I just like sockel people and i like people her are capel of new 91 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,000 ons and i just not this was a really. 92 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Constructive PS of Commentary and critises and i want to pay 93 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,920 onner to it by a dressing. It's people so they're who have 94 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,560 it out was you know, thank you very much, i think was very was 95 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,720 well and also i think here's spot on i they're think not new 96 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,240 ons, then i do was sleeping journalisation i am good to as 97 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,400 charge and i'd like to do battle to that interm so a dressing 98 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,040 this point. I'm poticly from some of the 99 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,360 USUS viraly experience in agility right, so i to be 100 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,720 careful about what i say new ons about what i say so i preced a 101 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 very much, that's what that's what brings just but to get it 102 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,600 and i'll trud to be more new ons cher up for to my notalle bit 103 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,600 because I've take in the trubble you're my my way of onoring. 104 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,960 I used for comed it's just think deeply about it and your paremy 105 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,280 and so right. It's that just throw something 106 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,560 off the top of my in my have my response has not you do a susan 107 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,280 gerard because i don't know in the about susan gerard i just 108 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,760 know he's that you know kind of a big deal in the jility big 109 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,280 deal me and that have's very are strong upinions about. 110 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,680 The us of of ors of controlls of i that that's all i know about 111 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,600 as it's he as a lard repitation you're also diserves repitation 112 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,680 and i can't call man on her will what i can do it or her met this 113 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,400 or what he's teacher and i don't know what i can do is i can't 114 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,280 give more new ons and be more careful and expressing you know 115 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,920 my pining so. So what i See is that is it? 116 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Let's go back to the idea of of positive training in agility 117 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,040 that's not a very specific, that's not a super used for 118 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,360 plays to start because it's not a specific what but what it what 119 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,400 what it think me think of is is my impression that airless 120 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,120 learning is a strong point of empases in agility and and 121 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,520 airless learning is the idea. That in a trial and air 122 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,039 procedure with an animal of learn to do something korrekt, 123 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:51,680 it is best to to controll to the absolut minimum the area part of 124 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:57,040 that right and this this idea original with Bf Skinner so so 125 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Skinner was was interested inferences automateing teaching 126 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,080 and teaching machines and protocols for human studons. 127 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:12,280 To learn in the mostificion with possible and and for skinner and 128 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,400 aeral was not and and abital part and abitable part of 129 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,920 learning. It was the product of an 130 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,320 insufficient teaching prodokal it was a falls on the part of 131 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,760 the teacher not and an heard part of learning um his student 132 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,280 huba terras um did an empirical study that have a lot of 133 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,120 influence i belieb it is he. Who kind the expression airlus 134 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,760 learning another associate of skiners he's name was Forster 135 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,720 who did a post dock in in skiners lab at harbard tulk the 136 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,800 idea of airlus learning and applitate to human populations 137 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,240 populations of the human beans with perfan Challenges in Trumps 138 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,880 of of cognition or social Behaedor what i so, so the idea 139 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,040 was. That it was skinner who kind the 140 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,840 expression stimulus control, which is the way and a anacedan 141 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,000 q controls in institutmental behavior league to a consequence 142 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,760 right and and one of the technical problems of the 143 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,040 technical, the mans and animal training is to a coplus 144 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,600 transitions of stimulus control take up behavior on the controll 145 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,920 of one of ramel stimulus and transition. 146 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Transform singulus controll suchs that a nother singulus and 147 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,160 pot of controll of the behavior that is a discrimination 148 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,440 training procedure typicly a generates many many many arers 149 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:44,720 and to the animal catches on and what what terers is point of 150 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,120 you. Was was that the frustration 151 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,640 that is generated by. On success for performance, 152 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,760 leading to know reanforcement is not use for it's a buy product. 153 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,320 This not have for what kind of we do and he can't up with a 154 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,920 really cool procedure and it's to ham i've we that we all the 155 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,520 expressions, stimulus faiting and so for so he think it out a 156 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,400 way to get piggins who's who's key packing was control by 157 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:19,040 visual q he think it out a way with a minimum of error to fade. 158 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,960 The visual q and to justinctly different visual q so that the 159 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,960 annual just seen lively with that like in a lot of airs and 160 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,320 what out experings a lot of non bring in force, but the animal 161 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,360 the annuals key packing was taking controller by the 162 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,800 transmuals so that's the idea of airless learning that that 163 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,120 arrers are not in hertly part of the instuctional Prozess, 164 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:50,480 they're an arteffekt of of of. Last and ideal teaching and that 165 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,960 we minut one we minimized them. We get benefits right and so he 166 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,040 is my impression i cooled be incorrect, but it is my 167 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,280 impression that there's a strong fokus on airless learning in 168 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,600 agility right like geting the dog to do every think with with 169 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,360 minimum of airs and. Just to do that like things 170 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,200 clarus for outlistance and you was. 171 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,000 So Agility was not just amy example that came up to your 172 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,520 mind agility was on point, the example that you want it to 173 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,360 bring up ja especialy because of this ok. 174 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Ja because because we're talking about agility and and the 175 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:37,840 commentary so so the the reason history is that i tored on 176 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,000 event. I tored i kindalgie of at. 177 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,520 In Dezember in partnership with a colligip mine and then also in 178 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,040 partnership with AA very experience and so task for 179 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,160 agility trainer and basicly for forest and me was an adventure 180 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,840 and coming in the contact with the technical problems in here 181 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,720 and a new sport. And and learning about them and 182 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,520 potential are hope was just as i'm things from an outside 183 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,560 perspektive that what be used for like what be have for right 184 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,240 and so, so yeah, that's specificly sock about agility 185 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:20,160 and so so that's go back to my rolf will but i will goard the 186 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,200 incalcation in the dog. The development in the dog of 187 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,160 resilians in the face of adversity as in explicit goal of 188 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,400 training right, so that's for me. 189 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,800 That's part of the Training as you teed the dog skills you make 190 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,320 the dog successful, but also you developed the dogs resilians and 191 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,280 the reason to the dogs resilians is it personal. 192 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,720 The Dogs resilians is nieder for life life is life is har for a 193 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,000 dog i can be hard two and and harder and not geting a cookie. 194 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,640 But not geting o cookie and processing that successfully and 195 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,600 with resilians as a good plase for a dog to star learning to be 196 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,040 resilian in the phase of the chelages of life, then ex one is 197 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,600 for training right most of as train dogs e there for pratgal 198 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,200 work in the world of we train dogs for competitions draging 199 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,480 we's the dogs will have to perform and extinction meaning 200 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,520 in a setting, we they will not be rean forst. 201 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,600 They will have to perform for long pays of time without 202 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,040 primary reinforcement AA very conventional, very well 203 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,960 accepted, and we're we'll proven and we have doing out is supput 204 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,880 the dog on random sketchles reinforcement and to lean no 205 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,320 sketchles out to a grate to grey that is calabated to. 206 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,480 The Training objectives right like how long is you're all be 207 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,200 the ands rutin going to be how long is your dogs dody cycle as 208 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,960 a detector dog how long to see have to work of a they surching 209 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,600 when he is unlikely to find a real world target right, so we 210 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,120 the lean out and we random i's dogs reinforsment sketchals 211 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,880 that's a kind of university that because as emotional responses 212 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,720 in the dogs is so we need we need the dogs resilians for 213 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,680 that. And then the final one is is for 214 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,400 competition if we have real will will work like if you're setting 215 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,560 down the helicopter someplays with a bunchuk is one armor and 216 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,840 caring wapons and that have to texture dogs with them every, 217 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,040 but he's going to be in an emotional stay and they make it 218 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,160 in a situation that in bols of versips the dog that that team 219 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,240 the pens on as got to be resilian when you take it all do 220 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,600 a competition that you have perpared it off for for a team 221 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,400 mots you've busted your us, you're hilly invested in this 222 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,280 competition, you are emotional that and lee to adversity for 223 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,160 your dog right, just the setting can be diffical for your dog, so 224 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,640 in need the dogs resilians for training for life and for 225 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,880 competition or service so for me and and here part of the 226 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,840 training prosis is not to just to teats the dog knowledge, but 227 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,960 to develop the dogs charakter. And one of the ways, a basure 228 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,680 and charakter is how does the anual perform in the phase of 229 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,920 the adversity so adversity and changes so so that's first. 230 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Bevor i go much for there, that's define a changer 231 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,080 adversity and dog training, and we can define a perty prozise 232 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,600 the and trumps of the dogs frequency of contax with the 233 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,280 versus and the evversives can be in the nature of a positive 234 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,320 continuity we is. And affectively negatively 235 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,960 valanceed aversive meaning like a positive puniser that all 236 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,880 going to in a contact with something as notres or the 237 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,640 aversive can be in the nature of a negatively a negative 238 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:58,080 continuity, a negative relations shop with it's kind of a double 239 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,880 negative, but the absons of a plusin stimulus right, so word 240 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,600 just talking about positive punchment. 241 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,480 Or negative punishment a versity at versity and Challenge can.com 242 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,079 from geting shit. You don't like because they 243 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,720 don't feel good and I'll produise a good they don't 244 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,280 produise a good a motion or in a sur comsance or you expect to 245 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,520 receive something you want you don't get it that also it is an 246 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:25,440 a versive experience so those are bold tools that we mail us 247 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,600 and dog training that or going to chance the dog. 248 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,160 Now that's go back a moment and and clare for. 249 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,880 Just do it how to you how to you title this a challenger of 250 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:44,720 University. I is II say adversity and and 251 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,320 adversity and then i'm also using a general term to just 252 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,320 call it challenge because the idea and the connitation a 253 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,920 challenge is that is that it is a challenge and it's also a call 254 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,800 to surmont. Right like the ide of I'm 255 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,080 challenges implizit in the ide of challenge is that we if we're 256 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,920 challenges he man beans it it's out or it's in our nature and 257 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,320 it's all will start do you are to are selfs and are do you to 258 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,720 the people that we dependopon to surround the challenge and to 259 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,200 develop to be commore them we are i'm talking about the 260 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,120 challenges that comed to dogs in training and what I'm sing is i 261 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:27,280 don't nesses all if we're gared this my job to ramuve challenges 262 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,360 from training. II think it's my job to aquip 263 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,960 the dog just sucessly handle of the chance that are going to.com 264 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,640 and some times to very carefly construct the changes for the 265 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,040 dog to develop the dog and these are experenses and in in 266 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:50,240 handling University and then so so that's oh that's go to the me 267 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,240 go back so one i talk of that he's challenges that i've 268 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,640 defined as contact with a versive experenses. 269 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,400 That me be explosive and say that the oversives or respons 270 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,880 continent, so i'm think oversives that or continent up 271 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,840 pud the dogs behaviour that or love libelator to the dogs 272 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,120 behavious i'm not talking about rain them bad shit happening to 273 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,800 dogs what are being training i'm talking about training this well 274 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,960 constructed so that the oversives or love libelators the 275 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,000 dogs behaviour they're continent bot the Dogs. 276 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,880 Right meaning, the dog has control of this University. 277 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,600 Yeah for up, yeah. If they know them if. 278 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,560 They know right and so, so that's the part from the 279 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,840 aversive. The the aversive experience is 280 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,080 that abroad by contact we're in in positive condinusies with 281 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,160 knock just stimuli and then just like at the challenges that a 282 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,880 produzed by expectiar or based on the stimuli and the situation 283 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,080 and and then no getting i'm so now we're tage about they get a 284 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:06,440 pomersman so to we're training if we wish to train dogs in a 285 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:13,040 way that supports and. Have's willfare then one of our 286 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,280 do this one of alligations is to a give the dogs predictibility 287 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,280 to give the dogs information so that they what what no what will 288 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,560 happen to them next, so it's a dog is korrekt, we all 289 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,560 understand it's good technic in ramany in ramany situations 290 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,280 training situations. To give the dog in explizit he's 291 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,160 information sank that he has don't the writing he or she as 292 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,560 don't the writing for me dogs are it's right there he's an 293 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:45,440 she's and and it's all phonic as i was a some the dogs i he it 294 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,520 that you can call me sex is what have a anyway dogs are mails and 295 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,240 femails for me not it's right so part me if i's a he more off and 296 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:59,560 then she but anyway so. We all primaticreate it's 297 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,240 understood that we just like the dark no instantly when the 298 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,200 animals korrekt for a number of technical resons and one of them 299 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,120 is to get maximum predicibility to the animal because only with 300 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:15,960 predicibility coms control. And this or the two things that 301 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,040 we us that two most powerful agence that we us to give the 302 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,080 doggy agency in training, we just a most important think we 303 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,520 can do the was sure the train dogs willfare right that 304 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,720 pertacking in for stress from stress, but a sureing that's the 305 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,880 dog hasbols proticability and controlability off of that shit 306 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,640 that up ins to am and training both or positraine forcers or 307 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,520 consern and also we're punersers or consern what i's a punersers 308 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,440 i mean. At the ponershers and also 309 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,560 negative ponershers or a mission keys things that tell you you 310 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,920 think and i get what you want to get right. 311 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,240 So so if it's are job to get the dog maximum predicidility we all 312 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,400 inters and that we're should like the dog know right away 313 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,920 when you do something right and manysoar.com sands of that's for 314 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,160 it is arable. But also when that up's so 315 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,280 something wrong, he nees a pees of information and my uping and 316 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,720 as timely as possible right have to he's on the definational 317 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,720 aspect to behave your you don't do this right, he nees a bees 318 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,040 information think he'd do that right so that can hopely be 319 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,240 feedback he's from the dog like he understands. 320 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,280 Well on off, he's job so the one he commits and air he nose in 321 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,600 the next moment based on what he just it feedback kus from the 322 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,680 situation and from hisbody what he dove this part is isbody what 323 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480 he nose, he was wrong as feedback kusa I'm that's that up 324 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:50,720 also there or I'm situations where and in let's realize in 325 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:57,040 agility agility is very. Discrimination rich there are 326 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,000 other floms of dogs for with the dog doz and have a lot of 327 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,680 choices and the dog, the dog doz and have a lot of fine grane 328 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,840 choices. We're the the the train behabor 329 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,200 can be onerly korrekt and one of simily simily situation and in 330 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,400 another simily situation that lux a lot like it. 331 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,200 A they korrekt, it's a zero right agility as there rigin. 332 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760 This is the one of the most interesting things of out a jil 333 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:34,320 right so disrimination is at the hard of a jily, so if a dog e 334 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,960 mits, a behave your the in a disrimination problem, that's 335 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,120 incorrect, it's got information from as open body and senses 336 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,320 that he that it wrong is going to stands well on up i. 337 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,440 I get the ronk think or because you can have a signal sand you 338 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,040 that the ronk they so that means that adversity is going to be in 339 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,040 hard. He's going to get signal sand he 340 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:04,520 that's a bronk right, what's the nature of a signal telling you 341 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,040 you that's some think ronk you're not can be reinfors it's 342 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,360 kind of a quiz crash and for you because we've talked about of a 343 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,000 cuple times and a airbus. So you know all you this and i 344 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,880 if you've lust and it this interviews but to me and 345 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,600 florian, bevor there's a quest question for you and then also 346 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,680 for for flying, it's a quiz bushy that's me a cuple hard 347 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,760 fucking questions, and this is one coming back at you right get 348 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,000 even so what's the nature of AQ that's this no rean for. 349 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,360 A Mission Q. You how's it bill, what's the 350 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,040 psychological Prozess on what it's on what it's bill. 351 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,480 What I think we talk about the differencise of building it or 352 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,200 or conditioning it to the dog like my classis approach we i 353 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,680 have my approach we're i tell the dog to. 354 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,520 The we'll those a procesers there's are procesers but win 355 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,360 you can't on you have a stimulus that's been condition in a 356 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,040 particular why. Us in a. 357 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Psychological proces and it has an name a very procesening 358 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,480 patrobian inhibitor. I'm. 359 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,160 Publobean it. Ok, i don't have to. 360 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,480 You AQ that tells you something as not at a happent to you that 361 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,160 you like spect to happent the u based on all the other kus in 362 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,600 the situation and clubing on behager is a pebblobean and 363 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,160 hibber a pebblobean and hibberer. 364 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,800 We don't have time to go in the science of what a pebblobean and 365 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,920 hibberer drus is it produces a he done a querversal so if an in 366 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040 in hibberer. If a signal pavlobian signal 367 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,440 tells you're reward you expected is now not going to happen. 368 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:50,080 It takes on the apposit affective emotional value from 369 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,640 the thing it's predicting so if if a dog, it's a signal, it's 370 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,920 not going to be fat, it's not can to play get to play with 371 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560 it's ball that signal backons a pavlobian inhibitor as the 372 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,040 apposit emotional v you of the thing it's predicting. 373 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,600 So on a mission q for food sucks and feels bad on a mission q for 374 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,840 playing with your ball sucks and feels bad because they ball 375 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,880 signal that you're knock and a get what you expect to you're 376 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:24,280 going out right so we can do two things of out this right, so so 377 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,840 the doggis it in a get information song that he'den do 378 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,920 a right he's knock and a get pay that's going to make in feel 379 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,120 bad. Right that's going to be that's 380 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,400 going to be a chance that's going to be an adverse 381 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,080 experience, the more modevator and anomaly is the more power 382 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,240 for at adverse experience that is right, so we do two things 383 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,560 about that one of about me is we can take the airless learning 384 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,920 approach and we can minimis to the outside extat with an are 385 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,920 power the number of airers that the dog max so that he does in 386 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,320 experience at versid right, the other approach is to. 387 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:06,400 Explizitly take this chance of being toll, win your wrong and 388 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,480 teased to dog out a prozess it constructory the trainers that i 389 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,560 at myer of the most or people who do both of us they very 390 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,760 carefully and skillfully engineer criterian for andy 391 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,120 given trial so that they don't just what's the dog make my 392 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,360 stakes. They construct my sticks on 393 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,560 there on schedule when they will be the best learn it the best of 394 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,360 us constructive learning experenses for the dog bull to 395 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,520 the dogs at versity and also to sharp in the dogs understanding 396 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,960 of a difficult, disramination or difficult behavar and then also 397 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,960 all will's in a parallel or an offline procesure they teach the 398 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:53,120 dog to handle frustration in a constructive right. 399 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,560 To to prozess is of a vers of in in a constructor what with means 400 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:05,280 to fortfully carefully take mind that what you last did and try 401 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,920 again, but don't per severate don't do exactive the sameting 402 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:16,160 again don't do something random take the information, take the 403 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,240 mark of once behager and try again. 404 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Right in a in a in a omost dog version a being mindful right 405 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,840 and with springs is to another aspect of agility, which is that 406 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,600 if i am correct like i've never what's a naturity competition 407 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320 all of that is what's a lot of agility training, a taxes 408 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,240 magility people, but if i'm korrekt one of the technical 409 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,920 difficulties in agility is that oh. 410 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,720 One of the aspekts, the motivational engines that's 411 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,680 running agility for lot of these dogs. 412 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Is there not just jumping jumps and running to tube and shit 413 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,280 like that because there's a rean forcer of the end they're doing 414 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,360 it because it's intrinsity rean, forcing they're active fast 415 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,360 moving dogs and they're right plaser rean forcement from 416 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,600 jumping from running from music there botties right and so. 417 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,600 Winner Dog jumps, the wrong jump or jumps it in the wrong 418 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,920 direction or mics Andy One of the you know kind was my sex 419 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,960 that are dog and make on cores and agility there is an 420 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,920 intrinsic green forers but. That can be present that can lea 421 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,040 theorg perticaly if it does an understand the signals, it's 422 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,920 gotten ride out of the the the air to just persevery jump 423 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,680 again, jump something different jump other ship whatsapper just 424 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,280 start jumping because jumpings fun jumping it's me rean fors i 425 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,120 don't don't just on here as I'm just kind of jump a right and so 426 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,320 as i intersin it that's one of the takual probs an agility is 427 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,080 it's you can tell it doggies wrong. 428 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,480 And it just are championship without uping land is out uping 429 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,720 land is last, and or that the dog is there resensative to to 430 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:07,200 all mission q to fail your and that the dog can feel on off 431 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,800 prusure that equits jumping that's for the exit i have a 432 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,200 seen what my on i i's a cuple of what lip like predic will train 433 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,680 a jiledy dogs that we're exedingly sensative to failure 434 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:24,240 right and also i so a cuple of. Supply Beautifly Trend Agility 435 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Dogs. Who? 436 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,400 Win they fail and we're toll the that failed shot a very higlevel 437 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,320 of suffestication and fluency and processing a mission kuse 438 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,400 like this dogs new instant that the lasting that it was a my 439 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,560 stick because it was signal to them, but there handler they 440 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,800 stop on the dimed because that's what they we're top to do and 441 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,960 then they. Quiet it, they can't and they 442 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,800 listent intently for the next command and the next command. 443 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:02,560 My be my be backup because now you're an a plays for you can't 444 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,760 do a correctly so i need you to go back to one if you but for 445 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,880 you get your next chance or i need you do this is so so they 446 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,560 man have to process them inrum commands. 447 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,200 And then triic at these jogs, we're beautifle train it one i 448 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,520 see and what i say impresstny was not the jumping the jumps 449 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600 that's impressive, but i don't understand the technical details 450 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,840 on or need that that exits on pressive what in pressed me was 451 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,640 the way this jogs that be in train to process filure right, 452 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,880 they we're not really brasilian, but they we're trumend the 453 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,400 students of there on behafers so the mom of they we're mar the 454 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,440 mom of they're told your wrong. They shot what i will Call a 455 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,720 fluency resilians of fluency mindfulness that it not per 456 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,200 separate that it in try the samting agan that it in try 457 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,840 random shot, they try that new thing a new generation of what 458 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,280 they just did and they we're super good it in the way that 459 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,240 you can't look at it up who's have a lot of free operate work 460 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,080 a lot of free shaping work from some, but he who's really we the 461 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,320 good it free shaping. So, The Dog bekommst a tramendis 462 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,440 Active Larner and a tramendis studden of it's on behavar 463 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,880 right. I was sing that in refers, i was 464 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,160 sing dogs with one of fluent, a wonderful fluency and facility 465 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,240 in circum senses of philia right, and so there's a 466 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,600 resilians aspekt of that two. We've talk to about frustration 467 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,040 so far as just being the unplusent the chalage aspekt of 468 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,080 doing something wrong and realizing that you don't 469 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,000 something wrong based and information that you're give it, 470 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,880 but also one of the most influential accounts of resilian 471 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,760 responding under the agversity of leans gadgets or inforcement 472 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,760 or and extinction of what every is a frustration theory that was 473 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,880 first articulate. And pot out by Dr. Abram amsil 474 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,200 on the Home, i was Fortune and of just study at the university 475 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,840 of texas and and a center to the idee underfustration theory is 476 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120 that the animal much of the animal behagor that the 477 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,680 discrimined of q that the animal that that driving controll that 478 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,760 dogs behagor many of them are the anmal paper many of them are 479 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,320 inton the intonal q. That or condition to behaviors 480 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,960 and so the essence of frustration, there is if the 481 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,440 enem has experience of frustration and is a two there 482 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,120 the through the frustrateing experience in the properay 483 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,440 frustration because condition to performance when the animal 484 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:55,360 feels frustrated the animal do's an give up the animal do's an do 485 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,120 random stuff. The animal engages in the 486 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,760 behavior that adjustride more strongly, but what we need in 487 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,120 agility, the animals persisted the animals resoyed, but what we 488 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,600 need the agility dog to do if I'm korrekt I'm from an, I'm an 489 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,960 outsider is to mindfully Prozess what it just it think how it to 490 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,520 do it different in a clothy related right and in give it at 491 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,040 truck and. And maybe give it a triagan and 492 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,639 maybe give it a triagan and go to several literations of doing 493 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,520 at on and then when it does it rye and is mark with the 494 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,159 secondar reinforcer grab on to what it the differentling that 495 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:47,120 situation to or rib it's sucess so this or so uply these are 496 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,400 more new on stones. About definity. 497 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,080 About about agility about the sensitivity to fill your that 498 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:04,160 may be present and in agility dogs and if my if my if my 499 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,360 impressions or korrekt and and what we what i'veford a 500 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440 particular with as perseveration problem is consern is is you're 501 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,360 what you do when you're dealing with a behabor problem. 502 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,760 That you're trine is supress, we'll what the or trine is 503 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,960 supress the incrike behave or the beave or prola with positive 504 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,560 punishment or not one of the first things it you do is you 505 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,560 trine to with draw or reduce the reinforsment that you've the 506 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,280 incrike behave your trine well if you can do that. 507 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,200 If you can't not get ridd of if you can't redused to zero the 508 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400 reanforcements cash and also of corse you, you rase the 509 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,920 reanforcement that you do an the right thing or not do an the on 510 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,160 thang i, but if you can't redus the and transsequent forcement 511 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:58,880 of the missbehager to zero, then what I'll an pricly of the amles 512 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,840 proseverate and just jumping jumps in for the joy of jumping 513 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,600 jumps and it was know what do. What also can you do will one 514 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,800 think that's you can do is you can entry do's all mission q's 515 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,640 providy the doggas resilian and off and you've givenem the 516 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,600 funamental equipment inits not just in terms of of startrer nus 517 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,120 and persevires on the challenge, but also in terms of mindfilly 518 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,800 processing, the situation and figuring out what i do wrong 519 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,400 what i do this calls your relator to it that my b right. 520 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,200 Right if the dog has a perperation, but the dog is 521 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,200 still per severating one think that we can do is we can 522 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,600 magilate the calls to the dog of the emission q what or a mission 523 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,400 q is as it a used the dozaman you're not going to get a reward 524 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,560 what it dozaman is your reward is going to be delate and you're 525 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,200 going to have to do more work to get it that's an off to trigger 526 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,320 profan frustration. And adversity for some dogs if 527 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,080 they're all prepared, so ones we've perpared the dog if we 528 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,400 still up a problem will the dog per severating and not learning 529 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:16,800 the we've can't can we're going to dock when we're can't get the 530 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,720 dog more time the think by using a time out all mission 531 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,040 procedure. We can take to do it out in the 532 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,040 situation and make to don't wait for it's next chance. 533 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,440 You can't all thematicly reset and one again and have the joy 534 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,840 of oning the problem and that we're about it was korrekt or or 535 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,640 incorrect like you're going to have to a way and for do who 536 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,680 really really was to work really was the command it do it again 537 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,760 because what is the command it do it again, it's a pewlowy in 538 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,120 exider you have a sociate it with for war. 539 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,320 So, when the doggas the wrong think and you're tell them hey, 540 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,840 but it that was the wrong think that's do it going you're a 541 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,840 medity give in a posit or infosion right, you're a medity 542 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,360 think we're word is in the off think so how can we get the a 543 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,960 mission q more punch i can we magilate the experience of non 544 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,320 reward, so that's stronger we can make the dog way. 545 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,320 But that's going to be super aversive to the talk so 546 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,440 essential what i offer this offer this SA as a potential 547 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200 tool because i was are really i we're the andy agility trainers 548 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,240 what doingness you think time out proceders but also i was 549 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,200 going at what's seen black a lot of sensitive in the dogs that i 550 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,920 so working i's at hey, so this tool may be av you to agility if 551 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,240 it as a mentrider it's new. You're like Kind of Bad Judo 552 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:49,120 plays that's the dog has to go to and way of prior to it's next 553 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,640 chance to do it correctly, but you're going to have to per the 554 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,120 dog for this you're can have for per the dog in many many many 555 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,920 ways and the benefit will be. I think my predictive benefit 556 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,520 for will be if some of the executes at well is that you 557 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,800 will develop the ability. To get more word done with your 558 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:19,200 mission keys and and to make the dog fastor to learn important 559 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,160 disraminations that he's haveing truble learning and you're also 560 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520 with a develop is resilians. He's abily just stand the Stress 561 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:31,600 of live competition and training right what it's a specific skill 562 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,480 you don't just you don't just pot the dog in in time out the 563 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,160 punition more. You perperhim for the entire 564 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,320 experers you perperers wasilias you perperers understanding a 565 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,080 trying again you perperers understanding of the inrim 566 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,640 commans at he many to get in or to pare to try again. 567 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,560 So so uply that's a much one do ons expression and my ideas. 568 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,880 About agility based on my brief experance with agility and i 569 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,080 would i we think the person who met a comed that trigger this 570 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,560 this reprice this review or of the Metier. 571 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:24,320 And this was definity a grate explonation, and bevor we end 572 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,360 the special episode. What's your say? 573 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,200 It's on the that yeah, so it's it's and they stupen so it's i'm 574 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:38,240 think stupen so that's the unfuck it's fucker. 575 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:44,600 Ja, ja. No so what do you do you think 576 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:51,200 the there is a human being who is realyable to realy not just 577 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,400 in one session, but to finishe dog in. 578 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:02,800 How's it if only right also also noing it. 579 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,840 It tipance on the kind of work right it tipance on the kind of 580 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,520 work it tipance on the setting and with the dogers going to do 581 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,480 the work it tipance on the kind of dog it tipance on the skill 582 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,640 of the trainer and it tipance on the time frame. 583 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,080 I'm like time pressure you under right. 584 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:31,920 So i can tell you there's I'd all that go and it it so it is 585 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:40,320 sure be on my ability to finish a dog using only positoring 586 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,480 forcement and negative ponishment it is, it is be on my 587 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,160 ability to finish a dog for lots a jobs using only there's two 588 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,520 things and also in a reasonal time for me. 589 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,280 Or for a client if I'm training the dark for the client, there 590 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:04,720 they're are people up there who are really give it like super, 591 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,520 super gut. At dogrining, they are town to 592 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,760 they are gift it or on top of that they have study they've the 593 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,440 valt there skills and people like that can get trumin is work 594 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120 down and they've tor as a very much about the us a positive 595 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,640 right for as, but they get trumin is work down when they're 596 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:26,040 after versivisticated objective like the most empressive I'm in 597 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,920 a sender shout out to a kind of Simon Prince you know Simon. 598 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:35,840 Do you'll. Was so the the most? 599 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,160 I it it's i it's hard to say's kind of like gas you what your 600 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,360 favered movies right like it's some of to you're the frame 601 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,280 movies what are favered movies you're like i kind of one about 602 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,360 you like if you're so easy feeder to side what you're best 603 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,280 film is i i've want to one about you're you're some trouble what 604 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,120 that's right you're preshan a lot of films oh all out so that 605 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,040 it's very hard to pick a best one so it's a lot it's a lot of 606 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,400 suspicius for me to say the most you know. 607 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,240 Impressive piece, a dog train i have every seen was in the cores 608 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,840 of a fibemin of video i so, but if you if you as methat.com up 609 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,600 for some of the real, your brasim i'll tell you some of it 610 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,680 was fibeminats a video that Simon Prince show us of shaping 611 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:23,760 dogs to take a device that what it here to a clansmo surface 612 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,000 with theysuction.com. Right, so the dog takes this 613 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,600 device in it's move and the dog applice exact of the righticory 614 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,040 apprusure at exactive the right angle and til the suction cup 615 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,600 there is drive and out of the suction cup, it is staples as a 616 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,440 backum and with dog let's go with a vice it romance there and 617 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,960 the video shot was you know like this there we're a close up. 618 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,160 Of the way, the dog was Holding the device and exactive the way 619 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,760 the dog control. The angle it with he applited at 620 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,320 tend it to feed back from the device in the pressure and it 621 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,760 heard it to the service and i've going holy fucking ship when 622 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,320 there people in the ralf, you trendogs like this white at 623 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,160 we've in try, but my max reaction is a go ok, go larm for 624 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,720 them and try to get battle, but my national reaction is go. 625 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,800 Like that right, so if you're askin me is there arthur limits 626 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,440 on what people with this kind of technicalability can do i don't 627 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,920 will was they're arranny right like maybe maybe simon and 628 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,520 people with he's dicory of skill and study can't get and you 629 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,640 think down with it up with only possram in forstment and i get a 630 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,920 punch at. But I'm human. 631 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,320 I'm but you're but you can by. The and and i can't and i know 632 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,600 they're a lot of normal people out there and then my other 633 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,360 conduction is that we can't pertect the dogs walfare we can 634 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,800 i's sur the dogs walfare and support the dogs walfare win we 635 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,840 use the other two continues that are under or controll. 636 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,720 Like negative Reinforcement and positive Part so I'm going to 637 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,720 say what's using here can do or simon prans are going to but it 638 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,720 also von the männly coms at at from a positive informement 639 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,480 negative punchment kind of way you they're there're private and 640 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,520 me and they're i get farm or down that i can oh what i'm 641 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640 going to say is that. For us an normal human bings, 642 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,000 they're two thanks try to get as good is they are and then 643 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,080 perhaps conceed that's going to the top of everest without 644 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,720 oxegion is not or go we want to get up there with oxegion and we 645 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:47,040 want to train it or beautifly. And to the limit of the 646 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,440 dogsibility and to the limit of r dogs of r ability was any 647 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,120 tools it or vables as it or compatible with the dogs. 648 00:45:55,120 --> 00:46:01,280 Wellfare was are wellfare of or nabors and or community. 649 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,200 All right, all right. That's a really good play. 650 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,360 That's a good play is that what you think. 651 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,320 Yeah, ok, that i'm not going to say anything more x that for ok, 652 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,680 thank you and i i'm going to forward and to to more questions 653 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:29,960 so if you catch doxes do a tillyard talking shit and send 654 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,880 as a command and we will do we not a special. 655 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:39,640 I do so, so it's i try to be i. I try to be a measure and and do 656 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,040 was person, but people who know me, we'll no that i'm also like 657 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,520 a really kind of impatch you was emotional person and i get can't 658 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,120 was they're stupid shits on one, it's just it's just happen, so 659 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,960 it's the BI it happen so so the you know i can's by the third 660 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,320 Tom I thank the person you know thank you rimut it's it's in 661 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,200 conversations like this hoply that we all the. 662 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,680 Draw together and stat of springapart and we all like 663 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,680 progress together and and it was enable by the new ons to right 664 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,120 and what you're a lisoner busted me for not be in no. 665 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,360 Ons thank you so much to it for taking the time and geting 666 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,280 things clear again. Some lessons learned. 667 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:41,280 Plombian in hebita will now is not already burned in my memory 668 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,000 so. It's it's one of the motion 669 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,920 portant things you know that like if you don't know i for 670 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:53,240 about this down on your champ hablowian inebition it will it 671 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:58,600 will it will post challenges to you and going deperned your dog 672 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,920 training and understanding why some of the things it you don't 673 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,080 have happan happan. Definity and the understanding 674 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,440 of do's do's things is the critical part in the most von 675 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,880 part of thing on the standing with you're really doing and 676 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,200 white things are happening and going buy as to do so yeah, 677 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,920 that's that's keep it like this thanks you again, so now it's me 678 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:32,560 thanking the third time we we standing what or a. 679 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,240 I'm. Babai Yeah, all right happy, 680 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,000 he's to have. A you.