I was just, I already had an evil thought I was thinking
about a very fat big dog, so if, if if I can't catch anything,
maybe I can even eat it. Yeah, yeah.
And adversity I have been told to will be introduced to
yourself in ways you cannot imagine.
So it look at the people that from the endless, you know, so
many years ago, I am sure did not expect to eat the guy that
was sitting next to them on the plane.
How did you end up with STS canine as your you know,
requesting me as your guest? Well I think it's it would be
difficult to miss you if you're on social media and you you like
sir Certain other Pages or, or hashtags?
It's hard to not get onto your accounts, okay?
And you're quite impressed and you're quite present, obviously,
and it's astonishing how you're dealing with your social media
and this kills you show and your appearance.
So that's how I got attracted to you, work, for sure.
And I have a list of people, I would like to talk with and I
started with the people in the show, whom, I already know known
for a few years, or shorter or longer.
And the trigger point was when pet Stewart, posted the picture
of you. And even, and to be as at the,
what was it? The ICP.
Yeah. Right, right.
Yeah conference and and then I said well, Now, I have to send
you a request and I could lucky me, it worked out.
So yeah, here we are. Alright, so we this is not life.
No, no, it's not like it's a recording and I will then I
think I will not edit anything except except if we have a pee
break or something else and and I will then upload it on our
Channel. And the nice thing is that
anchor is it's called, it'll be published on all kinds of Amazon
music Spotify a podcast and yeah, sure.
We can share with you. And it will be great.
And for sure I can as you said or asked, I will send you the
recording perfect. Yeah, yeah.
Well, the words put it on the podcast also?
Yeah, it sounds great. So so we're already started or
you have to still get started. No, I'm already recording, but a
great. And for sure I will use some of
this may be an inn for the intro.
But is there anything? Thing else ahead of the show you
want to, you want to ask her? No not I think you know any
topic we can discuss I have, you know, that's why I first thought
it was like because I like unscripted Rod.
Yeah. I don't like, yeah.
You know, things that need to be staged or, you know, thought
over. You know, I'll come back and see
you in a week. What is that?
Like, it's a mad dog training. When something happens either
you can Want on the spot, you have the skills to do it, you
understand, you have to assess or you don't so and it's the
same with this. So if I don't know the answer,
I'll tell you, I don't know. Then there's nothing wrong with
that. I think I believe is a you can't
know what all. That's why.
There's that you have so many specialized people on your
podcast. I assume because they all have
their trades, are all have their unique talents and yeah.
Yeah. Great to have you.
And that was one of the ideas to, of course, I want to talk
about specific training topics or how to select dogs, Etc, how
to build a business but in the first instance, this this series
of interviews is really to get to know the people.
And so, I don't know if you have had the chance yet to listening
to One or or another of our episodes so far.
I've not unfortunately, that's why the I multitask though.
I thought you know that people ask me what's on your headphones
whole time and I'm most of the time I'm listening to, you know,
podcasts or you know, sometimes music but lately, it used to be
always music but now it's usually work related so I can do
two things at the same time. So how good is that?
The see somebody? That's what song is what?
You know what playlist? Sorry guys.
It's So boring, it's sometimes it's about how to operate a
camera. How to operate this mic, you
know, software and all those kind of things.
It takes a lot of time to assess it and yeah, if I can do two
things at a time and helps because the days are too short,
but I guess that's a good thing for many people.
The days too long. I've been in police for at the
police, for 18 years actively. And I remember there was a lot
of days that were very long. You're looking at our watch the
whole time even though we were living the dream.
But you can work with a dog, a dog you trained yourself and you
know it's a dream job, right? Because you can get to work with
animals and I loved it but a days the time went by very slow.
You know everybody that has done night, shifts knows what it is
how to live a slow night. Nothing happens.
You get very tired and nothing happens and you get more tired.
And yeah that's that's a Ang day.
And that's just at some point, you have to ask yourself, why am
I doing this? And then there's always always
only one answer that comes to. That question is, why are you up
at night when nobody's up nothing's happening because, you
know, you have a job. But why I do this job?
Because you're getting paid to be there at that time because,
you know, always have better things to do than just wait for
time to disappear. And that, I think that's the
great thing about running your own business, or your own
company or you know, your own mission is well.
Now, everything you do has Purpose.
There's no waste of time and besides the time you decide to
waste yourself but nobody can tell you to waste time and stay
put or wait you know, or hit the clock and then you can leave
whatever. So I think that is one of the
greatest things for people that are, you know, are entrepreneurs
or, you know, self-employed is, they get to choose what their
priorities are and I think that's a great thing.
Also, for dogs, if you a treat my own dogs, not at no clubs
anymore and it's the same thing. When you go to the Club.
They expect you to train and do what the sequence tells you to
do what the program wants you to do.
And I remember going to one of my first clubs, the N VB K,
which is phenomenal sport. I love it.
And I wanted to bring my police dog and they said, you can't and
I said, what do you mean? I can because the dogs legit, he
can buy. He could do all the stuff.
It's a no, you know, no mixing disciplines here.
It's either this or nothing. So either going to get a sports
dog or is not going to work out. So We surprised with that.
So they only want you to do those things with one dog, only
and don't like mix things up. Don't like to do too much with
and it's this in the Box thinking that surprised me that
like those limitations. They put on you as a Handler for
sure because they just tell you can only do one thing but also
towards the dock. So very surprising because I
proved them wrong as in. I did compete with the dog.
I didn't want to the finales, it then become a Stock and it was
also what people like to call my circus dog, when I do all the
moves on the internet but seriously that's tough to me.
We just fine but you know, it's social media or whatever you
post on the internet, there's something that people have a
preference. I can post bite work all day.
They're not going to like it all the time, but you when you post
a video on Sand, you beatings looks fast and flashy and all
that kind of stuff. They, they want more.
So I started posting more to that flashy stuff.
And to me, it was just an extra because This dog had other
purposes than be flashy on the internet but that's what people
see. I know a lot of people laughed
at the dog, sometimes like, yeah, Circus Circus but the dog
had moist deployments and the history of the department.
That's not so funny anymore. If you think about it, right?
Because it me serious work and, you know, he did go to the
finales. I, you know, I could have one
of, you know, it's always, you know, little things that you
lose have the whole, the whole trial on my I tape.
So when I looked at it again, I was like, then I was I was
pretty close to winning the championship, if it wasn't for
the jump, he fell off, something stupid things.
But I mean, overall, the performance was one of the best
performances. I've done with that dog and he
was doing the police work as well so you know, dogs can do so
many things but those limitations they put on you and
I'm happy. I never listen to anyone.
I wasn't listen. Listen do this do that but I
will. Wasn't like a troublemaker.
I would you no respect him and said, just not and say, okay,
yeah, I'll try it. I'll do it.
You know, when I went home and did, of course, then I think the
real training starts when you go home.
It's like now you can be yourself and I could do whatever
you want. Now you can, you know, live your
imagination try stuff, experience do experience, you
know that kind of stuff is what I like because I cared nobody
controls me. But that's, I mean, that's a
journey. A lot of people go through.
They have a dog, they have Ambitions, and it's other people
leading their minds. They tell you what to do from
day one, with the puppy. Do this?
No, don't do that. Are you going to do bite work
and obedience? No, no.
Only do bite work then the dog becomes that kind of stuff you
see. So they already embed a certain
way of thinking, traditional way of thinking, especially, the
older, the sport, the more traditional the thinking is, of
course, and I don't like it. It's something like when I quit
the club life after more than 10 years.
It was I felt free seriously. At first, I thought I'm going to
miss it because, of course, you know, you spent so much time,
but I didn't at all, it's like, I was actually the best decision
I ever made not because of the people not wanting to help you
because I have to tell you, they always want to help, you know,
either like love him or hate him.
If you ask them something help you, which is a very, you know,
it's very cool because these people and I get paid to help
you and they still Help you. So they always have good
intentions but the whole atmosphere around the club other
people telling me what to do and you know the way they do it is
it's either that way or if you don't go with that idea they
might like that we did might show you that they don't, you
know, they don't like it. Then that much that you just go
your own way and it separates you a little bit from what's
going on in the club, which is what usually happened to me in
multiple clubs. I'm not a very good club person
because I like to do things on my own and now that I can, I can
do whatever I want and that's why I'm doing things that I
think a lot of people have not shown that like a side of the
dog that has not been shown and a side of me that I was never
able to show if it wasn't for the internet.
You know, the stuff that I do with my dogs or without my dog
even is not something very common.
I mean, I haven't seen it. I'm on YouTube for many, many
years. I haven't really seen anybody do
it. So, you know, where people start
comparing That's like okay well show us give me and talk.
You can compare and talk all day, but you got a comparing and
performance. You got a comparing.
What do you do? Exactly.
Then that looks like ABC. So we can make this this
resemblance and then judge. Okay.
It looks like you're a spin-off of XYZ person but I'm looking at
the field myself and I'm thinking well you guys all look
alike. But I don't look like you which
I believe is, you know, it's the biggest compliment I can give
Self because I didn't want to look like you and by you, I
don't mean, just anyone. Usually the, you know, the the
average person that went to a club goddess results, which
happy and or any police dog that I met they're all happy, they're
all getting their results but that didn't cut it for me.
I didn't just want the result of becoming a K-9 Handler or having
the certificate or competing just competing.
I wanted more. I wanted to see what full
potential. Was available from my side and
from the dark side, and there's no way you can extract that by
just saying, put in your club and listen to other people.
It just doesn't work like that. You have to stand up and you
have to create your own imagination, your own style, you
have to come up with your own ideas with.
You have to be alone with your dog, really you and your dog,
and that's it. No, influences.
Somebody already watching you already influenced because maybe
you don't want to try something, you don't want to look stupid,
or maybe you don't want to, you know, want to Have this person
critique you or whatever it's so many things create a fixed
mindset and you know it's that's why training alone.
Could be literally setting yourself free from anything else
and I truly believe in it. I think the best results we've
seen from trainers that I coach alone, they come back.
It's like what happened? What did you do?
They, they're just in their comfort zone, that's when you
thrive. That's when you, you know, you
can Pick up multiple skills, start combining them all and
then you come up with great results alone.
Really, so people always ask for coaching your, the docs coach,
that's already a coaching position, that's already taken.
Only one person could be so. But I understand some people
need guidance. Need structure.
Need a framework to work in. Like what can I do?
It's not like how do you do it? It's not.
What can I do? What I limitations one of my
strengths were my weakness. How do I make?
These assessments. How do I even judge?
What a dog's limits are all these things?
These are general questions. You have to ask yourself.
And once, you know the answer that means you have an
assessment ready. And with this assessment, you
could start creating a plan, you know, starting living, the
imagination of what you want to achieve within.
You know, the realistic approach of what doc can do because a lot
of people ask me sometimes. Oh, you and your flashy,
whatever and then they asked me, can you do this with a breed
that? I've never heard of, I have to
look it up on Google. It's like, no, of course I can.
It's only what are you talking about CeCe?
Because people think, oh of, you're so tough now because you
can train a Malinois, okay? I do it with Labrador.
I won't, of course you can do it with Labrador because he's
highly driven for food. Yes, but isn't that what the
case would everything? I mean if your bike is tires are
flat, you're not going to win the Tour.
You're not going to win a race. You know, that's impossible.
You got to start with something. So, that's a good point.
Yeah. And you also did it with, what
was it? The puppy or?
What are the dogs? You showed some video clips with
some some smaller peppery? Yeah.
Other the palms of the pump, the small breeds like in the end,
there is no distinction in. What can your dog do when he is
active? But the problem is with the very
small breeds, you have to bend down the whole time that is the
hardest part. It just doesn't give you that
flexibility at movement that you can that you can display with a
bigger dog. Dog or in a puppy the face, you
know, you grow. And then the dog is just after a
few weeks, he he comes better size for you to handle, but the
little dogs also limited because the very movement because their
paws are so small. They cannot show super Elegance.
They can only do rapid movement with the with their little paws.
So it's quite limited on what they can show.
As you can expect it the pranks like an IG, be healing and stuff
with it. Very miniature dog.
That's of course, something that I enjoy.
So, you know, these little dogs have their limitations and to me
to bend down the whole time like every day and knowing this is
going to be forever because they're so small.
That's me back from putting more time in these guys because
actually they're just a lot of fun.
Also really, to me the question is not always, what breed is it?
It's like, does he want to be in the game as he active disease?
You want to come forward and learn something?
Yeah. And we can do it.
We are also having right now in our and of course, a a small
pincher, Miniature Pinscher, I think.
And it's a great dog, he's driving his flashy and it's
nothing wrong. Nothing wrong to try to get as
far as possible with all kinds of dogs.
And I think that's a for me before getting in the more
professional branches. I learned so much from
Interested pet dog training because you get confronted with
with with dogs who are treated like solo kids, they get
everything they don't have to share and and they might not be
expected to work for food or toy and suddenly you need to think
around the corner and think outside of the box how to create
motivation and how to build something desirable for them.
Yeah. And I think that's, that's a
very interesting Arresting aspect of stopped raining, it's
easier in the end to just work with the working breeds because
they bring so many Hardware already with them.
That it's useful for out. Well, we'll wait a second.
So it depends on what you define as easier, right?
Because I'm sure if you give many people a dog with if you
would call it Triple A Class like highest level of genetics
and I don't think it would be easier at all.
I think it would be a complete. It would be maybe even
dangerous. That would be super hard, very
frustrating. So it all depends on what skill
level. These people have to start
handling these dogs. So we have to be careful.
What we, what we call Easy. We first have to frame then.
Okay, what exact training do we talked about?
And then okay, this or that might be easier.
What a pure working breed but only easier.
If you've developed a skill that belongs, with this trade, you
want to extract So that that you know, that's my brain is always
this continuous assessment. Okay, what's the task at hand?
What do you want? Well, then what is your plan to
get it? And how do you want this to look
very important? Sit down stand.
You know, it's a very basic what we call obedience but there's
many ways to do it. You know, let's see your dog
isn't a down and you call it into fourth position and you
could say, well that's easier with a working breed because the
dogs more active and I would Well, well, it depends on how
you want this dog to move into this foot position.
If you want it to be super fast, explosive Dynamic symmetric
completely on point and Perfection with his chest lined
up against your knee. All of a sudden.
That's not so easy anymore even though if the dog is going to do
so it's your perception on how far do you want to is one
command and immediately your brain will tell you.
This is how it looks, right? If you have some imagination,
I'll tell you. This is exactly how I have this
exercise in Mind. And to me, the answer comes,
then how obtainable is this? How long will this take me?
What will I have to do? What, how will I have to work
this dog? So easy and not easy as if you
have earned the skill, that's easy.
I asked you can you drive a car and call somebody at the same
time? If you're going to say, of
course, even though it's illegal you can do it.
Still if you want to or you can put it on speaker, you could do
two things. You can focus on this
conversation and on the road but when you were just Driving a
car. There's no way you can do it.
There's no way. You have to focus on what's
Happening. Alex your feet, your hand with
nothing. It's the same with dogs, you
know, or with any skill, do you know?
If you earned it Master a skill, you're adding one on top of it,
you adding, and you're adding and you're adding this is what
we call Talent is the more combinations.
You, you have you can make and skills and you can all use these
simultaneously. This is the definition.
This is how you Benchmark Talent.
So, if you are going to talk about, Any dogs Talent?
Or any Handler Stalin, we should refer to this because this is
what definition will goes through my head.
If you say 0, x, y z, if we're going to talk about trainers is
talented. To me.
It's the combination of skills. They can access you
simultaneously, so they can do things better and faster than
somebody else. That is the definition.
So this is what I always refer to.
So if you say this guy is talented, always think skills.
What Since and complex, the more complex skills and the more
combinations, the more talent because if you can combine very
complex skills, all at the same time and you can access them
always in your subconscious. Like I said, like driving a car
and having a conversations subconscious, you're driving the
car. You're still paying attention.
It's the same with the doc. If you can do all these things
subconscious, you can listen to the podcast.
I can train two dogs. At the same time I can, you
know, process many Things like uh, leash equal.
For example if you use it, marker food, like so many things
that go on to me. Normal my my brain is used to
processing all these skills at the same time, of course, if
this your first time, it's not going to be that easy, right?
So nobody puts puts a benchmark on.
Okay, what is handled Talent? How do we measure it?
Very important question. How do you measure it?
And we have to measure it because we've been sorry.
Yeah. We've been measuring dogs too
much. Always measure the dog.
How good is the dog with the dog win?
You know, show me the video show.
Okay, I got it. Look, we show all show
performances of dogs, but if you want to coach, here's where the
difference comes in. If you want to coach, if you
want to teach somebody how to get the same result, we can't
just look at the dog. Now, we have to make a full
analysis profile on Handler. And this is, this is even more
important because the Handler is a responsible for extracting The
talent of the doc, he needs to develop the skills for the dog.
So the dog can combine all the skills.
So he's already in a coaching position.
So he must be skilled by, you know, from the start because
else, this is what we see a lot and professional dog training.
When clients come, they all have good intentions but the results
are very poor. If they're not getting any
guidance because their subconscious cannot handle
complex skills yet, Yet. They're doing it because they
see an example on YouTube or whatever and they don't know,
they kind of extract what skills are being applied.
So that just replicate and then it's a little bit of everything
and it's it's going all over the place.
It's impossible to to assume they're going to get great
results. The majority by just watching a
YouTube video and you know, getting into this journey of
trying to get a performance from a dock.
But if you ask even the Then how are you going to get a
performance? You how do you turn your skill,
better? Can you tell me what skills?
You're even looking for even professionals high-end
professionals? How you going to get better than
the guy next door? If I ask you, hey, somebody's
moving in and you live in Germany and this person is very
skilled. He is, he can do a lot of things
with dogs, he's cheaper than you.
He's getting his results. You have a problem as a
professional because your customer base and they go, no.
Well, I I can choose between A and B, but B has better quality
results is cheaper and I got faster, you know, but I get my
dog faster again or I have more fast, you know, results myself.
He's going to go for B even though he likes a he probably
going to go with B. So so what are you going to do
to to stay on the a side? Literally?
It's a legit question. You have to ask yourself as a
professional And that's something that that would follow
us in every, every state of life, I guess.
And, and maybe something that can be described of the survival
of the fittest. Yeah.
Darwin Theory. It's a very, very strong
believer and all these theories and make a lot of sense.
So, Nina. Now I have to make a cut.
It was already a great intro but we haven't really introduced yet
to the shows. So, let me we already drift it
but I love it. So everyone listening in M
already heard a lot and our today's guest is, is no other
than Nino. David from STS canine.
I guess, most of you will know him from Instagram from
Facebook. We see a lot of great reels and
videos explaining but also training dogs and to put it in
ninos words, a lot of very fleshy training and a lot of
training that If you know, already a little more about it,
you realize how hard it is to train a dog to be that fast to
be that precise. And that's how I got really
attracted on Nemo's work. So hello Nino.
Great. That you find the time having a
talk with me tonight for let me know where you, where you at
right now. Are you in Belgium?
Yes. Yes.
Now I'm in Belgium. I reside in Belgium, I do I mean
I do go a lot to the US. For events but you know post
covid it's not been as much as I used to before.
Okay. So but we'll be back next year
with a good event schedule. So but for now we're doing our
stuff from Belgium mostly, you know, train the dogs.
So And you have been and still are in a police.
Yes. Yeah.
It's called a leave of absence. So at the police you get a
chance to pursue your other career if you want to this case
is, you know, the dog training business.
And that's what I've been doing for five years now.
So, five years, I've been self-employed and believe it or
not, in Belgium, you can take off seven years.
So yeah, it's, that's crazy, isn't it?
So, could you imagine going back after seven years, But yeah,
that's that's the case. So, I've got two more years and
then you have to resign. So yes, then you have to choose,
you know, either go back or you're never going to come back.
So that's the case, great. So, to all our listeners, who
are not that familiar yet, with STS canine, what does STS stand
for? What's the shortcut?
And what's the philosophy of? Yeah, so I see a stands for
specialized training system now. What is so special that And
about this system. And what do I do is so what what
I stand for is, I want to use trades, Natural Instincts of a
dog and extract these. These traits and we call them
potential and the potential is used to develop skills.
The more skills, we teach the dog, the more he can combine
these skills that we teach him. The more, we can Define the dog
as talented. So what we do is develop Talent
of a dog, right? But in order to do so, you have
to make an analysis on how Handler Then looks like same
thing for you, right? Because you're the one who's
going to have to do all this stuff with the dog.
So we profile handlers trainers and we see what skills, they
need to achieve. They need to develop and how
they can make these combinations.
And that's what we call the master view, right?
Because you have one side is a Handler.
Other side is a dog and it's only by making a full assessment
analysis on both that you will find a way to extract the
potential. And then, you know, lift
elevator dog to to live his full potential.
And this is something that I really enjoy, because you know
why I love working dogs. So we mainly do working dogs.
And the potential they have is, is usually unseen because we
focus on certain sequences or certain purposes.
Like, for example, Patrol dog, police dog.
Okay Sports Talk protection, dog.
So they always do certain things.
Do they highlight certain things?
And What we've done is we've put them not into sequences but more
into overall strengths that we want to see from a dog and I
call these the Five Pillars and Within These Five Pillars we are
making these assessments and the content of these five pillars is
going to show us how good the dog truly is and how much
control you have over this? Because in the end, if we are
going to train a dog as a predator, so do not assume a
predator is going to follow you like a slave.
Dave, because if you want to enslave a predator, you have to
use Force. That's you don't need a book to
understand that the matter is not going to follow you, unless
you use Force. So what our job is then
cognitively, how do you understand to manipulate the
Predator? So he is willing to share things
with you. He is willing to do things in
your favorite also because, you know, if you talk about dog,
psychology, of course, people are understand a little bit.
Of it. No, dog is selfish.
He wants to do stuff to obtain something.
So our Quest is then how do we, you know, create this symbiosis.
So and and human in this case get mutual benefits without
using force or and then it's not about positive only or, you
know, using compulsion but like if you have to, you know, touch
the Integrity of the dog to get your results.
If you Make him stressed out or if he gets confused, you lose
this symbiosis. So and that is something it's
very hard to pinpoint. All, when you get it, you know,
when you get it, that's the cool thing.
Once you get it, once you go on the level of say you know,
synchronization movement flow flow, State energy exchange.
This is like very holistic when you talk about it but when you
feel it you will think. Whoa, there's there's much more
to it than just, you know, doing a Sequence, which I have also
done. I really enjoyed sequences, but
there is more to it. And this is what we do is we
specialize and we focus on training, handlers develop the
skills, so they can, you know, then become either competent or
develop more talents. So they can extract the
potential of the dock and do the same thing.
So, we, it's always a team effort.
That's why it is important. That's why analysis are
important. That's why coaching is
important, that's why understanding what skills the
Five Pillars, same for the Handler also, five pillars, five
key elements. You have to focus on and yeah,
that's what we've been doing. It's what we travel is.
We we talk we give lectures about this and we help the dogs
on the spot and then of course, through my online program,
people can learn from any place in the world on what this
exactly means and how do you get started doing this?
Great. So I know you've been a police
K-9 Handler. You've also been head trainer at
the department. That's what I read on your home
page. And now you have SDS canine who
are your clients and what, you're ready, told a lot but
what branch is, do you provide for them?
So yeah, we reach out to anybody who has a working dog Ambitions,
but that doesn't necessarily mean your dog has to Working
breed because there's a lot of great dogs that are not in the
bracket. You see?
Here we go again. Brackets.
And boxes of dogs where we shove them in of, this is a, you know,
hunting dogs, these are protection dogs.
These are you know, pet dogs, you know, all these and I don't
know all the categories but there's so many it's not limited
to categories. It's more like is your dog
willing to be to use his energy and like the Z willing to eat if
you want to play and more. Important is, what are you
willing to get out of this? Are you willing to establish a
relationship with this dog, where you fulfill some of its
purpose? What it's meant to do is be
active is do things. This is be very intelligent
about what he does. You know, move fast, be dynamic,
be symmetric to you, like all this guy is this?
Something you're after and if the answer is yes, you want the
most out of your dog. Well then where the people that
can help you if you just want like playing pet obedience, just
Like you want just to sit and to this day I walk that's not
really what we do. We want to push ourselves
further, we want to develop as handlers and so we can create
this unique experience with having a dog and and training
it. So it becomes like an addiction.
Almost, you know, you want to train this dog because now you
find out every day. He can do so much more than you
initially thought. And this is, this is not limited
to a certain group of dogs. Or a certain group of people.
This is across the board but I would say the majority of the
people, we train usually have a working breed but woodworking
breed these days we talked about bullies even Dobermans we talk
about hotwire's Malinois as we talked about Border Collies, two
Labradors all hunting, that is so many, so many to to name some
breeds. I don't even recognize and
they're getting like, whoa, you doing the same stuff that we do
is great. So yeah, usually, just I would
say, active dogs and also active people that The most out of
this. So perfect being in the unit,
but also traveling around around the world doing workshops giving
trainings. Is there a nickname that got
stuck to yourself? That you can't get rid of a
Maverick or Iceman or how do people call you?
No, no, we're not a Hardy. Call a DVD.
It's not the Avengers yet were getting fancy.
Make names, I don't know. Maybe I'm refers to the guy with
red shoes for people that don't know me.
But other than that, I don't not that I'm aware of.
So they just call me Nina, usually great and getting up
everyday. What keeps you motivated doing
so many things? But this is all Mission Purpose
Driven. Seriously, I don't even think
about what I want to do. I think about what has to be
done. And I know there's a bunch of
dogs here that have to be worked.
But I also know there's Many many students that need help
that knee guidance every day, we have messages of people,
reaching out, how do I get what you do?
How do we get this, you know, obedience?
How do we get this Bond? How do you get this connection?
How to get this result? So people are genuinely worried
about extracting the potential from their dogs.
They don't know how to start. They came in with high Ambitions
of, you know, of course motivation.
But then of course, if you don't have a blueprint, if you don't
have any guidance, you're going to be stuck really fast.
And then they Panic comes because Because the dog is
getting stronger, he's getting more powerful.
Usually, if it's a bigger breed, you're losing time, of course,
because the dog is asking a lot. If I talked to all the said, how
old is he? They say 0, 8 months, 10 months
and that's not, I mean that's just starting.
So what are you worried about it yet?
Students with nine year old dog doing incredible things, but I
could see, you could see that. People can stress about this.
And, you know, they are worrying.
So we get up in the morning and this is our motivation to, you
know, make the best possible. Instructional videos to put on
the best seminars because you know, with this is a mission,
this is not like, oh, wow, wow, wow, I like to do this stuff.
No even, you know, nobody likes to be in a plane for 10 hours,
14 hours, nobody likes to live in a hotel away from the family
and and you know, be by yourself the whole time and getting from
one trip to the other ready but it's like you know you chose
this. You know, I was having a good
job before this. So I wanted to do this.
This. So it was a purpose.
I already combined it and before I gave all my holidays to spend
on teaching and make this happen.
So now this is all I do. So for me it's great.
I don't ask myself this question, why anymore?
If there is one word, you could choose, what would describe or
how would you describe yourself? Yeah.
It's what I just said is purpose-driven.
And for me this herb is purpose. Yeah, definitely will defeat the
pleasure. So for me, if if you say, I want
to invite you for a holiday, it's what I won't get excited.
I'm going to be honest with you, they'll need the work is to
pleasure as so I designed my life so I can work the way I
want to work. I don't have to, you know,
listen to people. They tell me what to do or they
tell you what to do. All time do this Twitter, dog?
Dude, is that what? I'll go stand there with your
dog. Even, I mean, that's already a
dream job for most people do. They can take the dog, but then,
they still tell you what to do with the dog.
So, no, those days are over and to me, that's the Permanent
Vacation, the state. I'm retired, like mentally, I'm
retired. Because even if I wouldn't make
money for this, I'd still do it because this journey of helping
people grow. See in my students have more
followers than me, haven't you? No greater results.
Even to me, that is exactly the reason why I said I wanted to do
this because I was you know in the worst position possible.
When I was young 27 years old, I wanted to train with dogs but I
was afraid. I don't know.
Buddy, where do I go? I go to a club, I go to this
person. I asked, you know, it's the
confusion. The, you know, the fear of
making mistakes, the fear of not getting your results.
Yeah, I had to buy DVDs, I had to do all this kind of stuff and
now I'm in a position to help people and I want to do it the
best possible way I can. So I'm a freak when it comes to
that. So but I guess you have to be a
little bit obsessed with your work if you want to do good for
sure. So what what runs the engine do
you drink coffee. Do you drink alcohol or you a
meat-eater? Any specific diets or the
reading workout? Cool questions.
Nobody ever asked me that, they usually ask me.
How do you train the dog? What do you see everything about
the dogs? Nobody asked you what I eat.
So this is Really cool. Yeah, I'm happy to tell you
that. I was not a coffee drinker.
I never drink coffee in my life. I didn't copy.
So, can you imagine being at the police working night shift?
Not drinking calm coughing. That's it was, it was hard.
Yeah. But I didn't sell, but I had to
lately because I work like sometimes 16 18 hour shifts and
I was like, okay let me let me see what coffee does here a
little bit. I have to go slowly here, so I
always do cappuccino or caffè macchiato.
All right, so it's little bit more light.
Then the strong coffee and it helps me a little bit.
So that's the only thing I do. I, I would say 80% vegetarian /
pescetarian, so no meat sometimes.
So, yeah, I've been vegan for a few months, it's really hard.
We tried it for me, it's very hard, because if you're on the
road and traveling, it's it's not easy.
Really even on the plane, it's if it's with eggs, it's not
vegan, right? Right?
So a cheese. It's not vegan.
Yeah. You see.
So becomes a problem. So anyways, it was he.
Yeah yeah. But I kind of it easy.
What do you say? Sorry to interrupt.
I'm vegan or vegetarian what if that's the right translation to
English because I'm not a native speaker.
I speak Dutch. Yeah.
Which I assume is an English, the same, which means you only
eat fish. No meat.
So you eat fish. Yes, sir.
You're not vegetarian because Eat fetch then but you're also
not vegan or whatever because you don't eat meat.
That's the only thing you exclude.
So they call this a pescatarian. All right?
Again, something learned. Yeah.
And and apart from the dog training, which, which can be
physically, how to say struggling, sometimes the longer
you do it, but you work out, at least you look like, Your ears
for Takei? Yeah.
Well I've been working out forever because when I was a
kid, my best friend who lived above me, he was an Olympian.
He was a 200 meter Runner, so he had the body, like an Olympian
Greek god. Right.
And of course, I was just a skinny guy and I realized if you
ever want to come close to looking like him, you're going
to probably have to do a lot of things that he does.
So I was luckily, you know, able to spend a lot of time with him,
you took me to his LG took me to his world, he introduced me to
his friends and then if you're introduced to people with a
certain lifestyle, you become that.
So to me, I only had met people that ate claim that worked out
that, you know, were very driven, very disciplined, very
focused. So to me that became the norm.
And then, I had a relationship 10-year relationship with
Belgian Runner champion, eight-time champion, you know,
very high-level Runner. So to me, it was Was like, this
is what we do. So it was a very, very I would
say, you know, we didn't do anything.
We didn't spend money within go on holidays.
All we did was train, eat clean train seven days a week.
It was like for most people would be a nightmare.
For me is the best time ever. So only focus on one thing and
just so that that that mindset on how driven people can be to
achieve something, it takes it takes over like you think about
it day and night? You wake up.
You think about it. You think everything.
She makes of here's I gotta take rest years, where I gotta eat,
here's where everything has to do with what you want to
achieve. And for me, it was just getting
closer to the level of, you know, my inspiration, my friend
and my girlfriend at the time for, you know, very disciplined
people and that I think stuck with me forever.
So I always knew if she wants something gonna have to work
really hard so in comparison to a doing dog training on.
Let's say high level, you know, a lot of training professionally
and If I look back and if you want to become Olympian for
example, or try to be, right? It's very different.
It's still a huge gap between a few things, dog, training is
hard. Try being alone Pian, then you
know what's hard and what's Technical and what's gonna you
know keep your mind hundred percent at the time in doubt
you're going to make it you're going to do it anyway so it's
just overwhelming if you want to achieve something and aim high
and of course I didn't make it. Not even close but then go into
dog training. I was like, well, well, I
wouldn't say he's, you've got nothing like I said before,
nothing is easy, but it's definitely not as hard as trying
to become. So I think from that mindset
also, when I came and saw people work dogs, really, I thought,
okay, what kind of technical level?
Because of course, when I tried run, I first.
I thought. Okay, run.
Just as fast as you can. It's easy, right?
No. No, it's not that easy.
Okay. The way your hip moves, the way
you push your feet into the tarmac.
The way your Technique is in the bend, your body.
He liked it was just a man service.
Whoa, It's So I completely underestimated that and then of
course, I keep became a freak to to understand this technique to
push myself. I wasn't like very very gifted
even though I thought I could run fast.
When you look at the fastest Runners you're very slow right?
And then yeah it's a disappointment but I never let
it you know get to me so but then I went, I saw people
training dogs. I was like, okay, how hard is
this technical level? Because I Of course, I assume
also to be very, very high. And I was surprised that wasn't
and actually, it was the people that were good at it.
They didn't even know what they were doing.
It's not like they were thinking consciously before about the
footwork, the handwork the coordination.
And I think this is what set me apart a little bit, because the
way I processed movement, the way I saw Katie, this is risk
control. This is your footwork.
This is where your explosiveness can come in to help.
This is where you set the pace for the dog to speed.
All that kind of stuff to me. A comes from my true passion.
When it comes from running. So that's where I got this
passion. I want everything to go fast, I
need to be clean, I need to be perfect, right?
The perfect raise the perfect track, the perfect time, the
perfect you know, its Elegance in your running everything and I
was looking in my subconscious of course for the same thing
because I was not the athlete anymore was a dog, the dog had
to do everything that I want to do be fast, be dynamic.
Be explosive, you know and so now a chance to To have my dog
become the athlete. So I was very technical on what
the dog needed to be. So and this is what I, what I've
done is for so many years and I had to think, okay, when people
started asking me after the First videos on Facebook, 14
years ago, and they asked me, how do you do it?
How I was like, okay, let me think because to me, it was at
that time already normally? Yeah, it's yeah.
So and now, of course it's, you know, people know what I do,
mostly, I use the hand work, the worst work, the controls, Role
of the hand feet, you know, all this conscious coordination, and
then it becomes subconscious, that's when it becomes easier,
because then, you can add more complex tasks to it.
And, and doing the police work, I think police work is hugely
underestimated. I heard you also are involved
and the reason why is because you're facing the same
challenges as any dog trainer / coach, right?
Because you have to extract this potential for a dog, you have to
you know get into a dive into the skull.
But on top of that you have your all your police skills.
So for you there's more combinations of skill and then
there's a one very, very important factor that nobody
else faces is you have a constant threat if you're
dealing with, you know, Patrol dogs, for example, or violence
threats, whatever. There's a stress factor and we
all know what stress does. It can diminish your
competencies or your skills to very basic or zero if your to
stress because then you cannot access your new skills any
longer. Our, and this is why dog
handling is actually very, very hard on a high level with the
police because you have to use your police kills.
You have to use your new dog skills.
You have to assess the threat, you have to communicate, you
have to make right decisions. You have so many things and if
you don't consciously focus on what these components are they
going to, you know, be in your way, you're probably going to
struggle more than you're having fun.
I remember this is a true quote. From one of my students at the
police when I was an instructor they said I thought it was Going
to be fun, you see? Okay, so I asked them what do
you mean? You said it was your dream.
They said yes but I thought this was going to be fun and of
course, nobody wants to feel stressed.
If I give you areö like a true scenario, worse, things can go
wrong and they will go wrong over there were threats towards
your physical integrity and now you have to make big decisions
right now all of a sudden this is not so fun anymore and I see
that it's not fun know who wants to be in that position.
Taking these decisions where you could either hurt somebody or
get hurt, or this is not a fun thing to do.
So I can feel the stress because I've been there.
Mmm. This reminds me on something
that pet Noland quoted when he was into the bird dog training
and they were working heaps of dogs every day and he had cold
trainers. In one of these trainer said, I
will quit after this season because this is hard work and
people who are getting into the business.
Well, maybe sometimes they just under estimate.
That this is real work, people smile at you and say, well, you
you live the dream, you're a dog trainer, but it's hard work and
it's in it's not always fun and it doesn't have to be always
fun. I guess it's a lot of discipline
and gaining skills and Yea Somali no gain.
I guess you have the performance always exists of four
components, which is Town your combination of skills then the
passion you have. After you have the energy to get
of energy. So forget everybody everything
else if you don't have energy no passion forget about any
performance. Then comes focus and discipline.
All this is binary. You miss one of those.
You're never going to get the best performance never ever.
Ever. Same for the Olympian story that
I told you. If one of these components are
missing, forget about it, you're not going to be even close to
being on any Olympian level impossible and that quote across
the board, of course, And anything you want to do?
You want to do it very well? You need those components.
So then of course, first question is what skills?
Then what skills you talking about?
Let's do analysis and depth, passion.
This is not something you can just get like you either have
this or not. This is like this subconscious.
You know, thing. It's, you get up and you're
energized. Because you, you read something
in a while. It's something that inspired
you. Whatever it is.
It gets you up. You want it so bad.
You Get energy. Even if you're tired, you get
energy of this and you know, it's a very important component
that we have hardly any influence on as a coach as a
trainer as an instructor. So when people come and they
want to learn the skills but they have no passion through
passion. It's always harder for them,
always harder because if they are long days, if there is a lot
of repetitions, if they, if it does get tough and you don't
have the energy forget about time.
If you are thinking, you have to good time management but you're
Energy is low. It's irrelevant.
You need to high energy. It's more important.
Now, of course, you have siblings.
No, oh yeah. Well, I've two sisters here and
are they all so sporty? Or was it really this, and this
young friend of yours that got you into into this, in this
closed circle of very sporty, very efficient?
Yeah, I was your honeymoon thing is nobody in my family.
There's any kind of sport. Okay.
No it's not that then my sister is a lawyer so she likes to she
likes to study a lot, so but no nobody, nobody any.
So, I have any, any purpose of in sport, whatever.
So, but of course, this, this young kid influencing being
influenced by an Olympian, I don't have to tell you, this is
life-changing defining everything.
Of course, I had to go back, right?
As a coach have to, you know, assess my life for myself, like,
how Do you get like to answer your question?
So, I know very well, where this comes from and I talk to him
sometimes. And I said, Eric, you know, man,
this is all thanks to you, but he doesn't understand because
she was just being himself, right?
He doesn't understand the impact.
Somebody has who you look up to and then, you know, he gives you
all these subconscious traits that you follow up, you know,
about the diet about the workout, about the ethics about
the morals and, you know, an achievement.
So and there's also with you They're the circle closes.
Also, what you told me about the clubs and obviously their you
didn't find find the right energy.
It wasn't the right surrounding to.
Yeah, to grow. And I think that's, you know,
sometimes it seems to be a little bit non-social now, but I
think it's, if you want to achieve something, it's
important to look out for the right group, for the right
peers, to be with, to be able to To gain the energy and be
disciplined to work on your goals.
And sometimes it's just hard to leave this ballast.
And Yeah, I think there's a there's a you know, it's so much
truth in what you say is finding that right group, that were your
personality fits in, where your control mechanism is not going
in overdrive because of the stress, these people add on to
you or you don't agree with whatever they say and you want
you respect the people but maybe you don't respect the method and
see or first conflict already, okay.
So these people want to help you have a good relationship with
them whatever. So you they generally like you
vice versa not to tell you. Hey, do this.
I know it works. And you're new to this and you
don't agree and you're thinking, oh, no, no, no, please, I don't
want to do this and they sell you.
All right, you ready? Where you going to say?
As a young guy young woman where you going to say, dilemma,
dilemma of so many young handlers especially in, in
police or military because they want to be a dog handler and
they have this gut feeling? Yeah, some of these things are
just not, right. Yeah.
And it's such a difficult point, but I think that Could be a
great topic on itself in a Zone. Yes, but it's, this is all
human. Psychology has nothing to do
with the doctor of the method. They don't know, you know, let
it be good, bad, whatever confusing that, you know, this
all of a sudden you're getting this whole mechanism playing and
the psychology like it driver mechanisms and all the stuff
that the professor has taught me Mark.
Who I am, you know, I see as also one of my big mentors,
she's phenomenal guy. He's He's done, as he's made
psychometric tools. Scientifically had been
validated to scan to assess people's towns.
Professional talents phenomenal. So I was very lucky to work with
him to travel with him to study under him very grateful for what
this man. What the hit this insights were
what he also brought to the table for developing the master
view so you know a lot of respect for him as well.
So also one of my big influencers on creating this
system because I also thought Not like anybody else.
It's about the dog right? We get we get the the people to
do the right things with the dog and the dogs going to do it.
You get the results. No no so he it's the the
psychology, the way you develop talents what is going to hinder
you from developing what is going to you know set you back.
Why you are stagnating all this kind of stuff.
What kind of coaching you need? What kind of energy, you can
build a growth mindset versus fixed mites.
All these kind of things such Such a huge impact on any
performance you will ever do to neglect that part.
To me, it doesn't belong into what then I would call Modern
dog training. If you're saying modern dog
training and you're only talking about motor skills for dogs.
You're only talking about stuff on how to do and tools and all
the stuff for the dog. I'm sorry.
That is nothing to do with modern.
This is what something people have been doing for decades and
decades and decades and what they've written books and books,
hundreds, and hundreds. It's all coming back.
It's all the same. Of.
But positive psychology, for example, has only been studied
since the early 2000s. So I mean the way they re have
developed, you know, if you look at the Olympian disciplines, for
example, how they have reached out to external Consultants to
help them with the performance, had nothing to do with the
technical part of their mechanics that they had to put
in play. But it was very important
psychology for them to perform on the highest level to keep
developing Etc. This is something Doctrine has
never been done. Done.
And I know why if it's there's no money in dog training like
who's going to go and reach out these external?
Like let's say for example the professor was not passionate
about dogs and I would ask a professor I'm interested in your
stuff and your work and your research and your life's
achievements. Can you come into my world?
And I will pay you as a consultant.
I mean this would be unaffordable this kind of level.
Okay. So you need you need to look to
meet these people that have the same And then they want to help
you almost, you know, for free because they want to also give
their information and because else, you know, unless you're
talking about Olympian disciplines that have money
involved or that have many eyes on them, it's going to happen.
But in the case of dog training, not so likely, that's why we
have stagnated. I think we can fairly say Doc,
training evolve, the way we want to make it.
Look like it's evolved and words.
Revolutionary modern they could I'm sorry.
It's not not actually, there's many transcripts that prove it
is. Not priests can pre Pavlov and
even if you even if you refer to Skinner and Pavlov, then
definitely do not use the word modern.
These people are decades ago. So have they done significant
things that give you insights and behavior?
Absolutely. Yes.
Do you need to study them as a professional?
Yes, but you need to prioritize this in a framework where you
are given people new trainers. The, you know, the physical
tools to start learning and achieving and I would say,
actually they don't go on number one, spot for me for me because
I would, you always have to look at how did you get your results
yourself? Did you read books?
Did you study these people first or the day?
You're like your Idols or date? The people you wanted to become
But they're scientists, you can become them so you can't idolize
the science, right? So but it's good, if you read
them, you have cognitive skill. It goes into the bracket of
cognitive skills, but it's not going to help you on the spot
with the dog and high drive or whatever technique you have to
pull off. It's going to be meaningless.
So where are you now? Could all different pillows.
Yeah, and that's a trigger books.
And before you, you mentioned that when training dogs, you're
not just listening to music you're listening to Podcasts or
audiobooks. What are you listening or
reading to right now. So right now, any any
recommendations or ever turn recommendations.
But you know, the book that I like a lot that I really enjoyed
the audiobook because like I said during the workout it's
listen one that really stuck with me.
Was my God. What's his name again?
I just had a black God on his name.
I was just about to say it. I mean, the the Navy SEAL guy,
he got his book chuckling. Now, the other one, I will his
book also the other one. General McChrystal?
I think already read it twice now.
Yeah. Sometimes a little of like that.
Come on, are we we can get the runner to the marathon runner
who also done the marathon. I could, I recommend this book
to so many people now and I can come up with his name.
I just got a little, like, a hee hee.
There are also many interesting short interviews with him and
short reels on, but I think I know who you mean, he's bald.
Yeah, it's a shame. I don't.
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna come before the ending song.
It's an extraordinary extraordinary guy.
Yeah. It's it's saying do you have
already shared a quote from one of your students?
But can you share a quote that It's always in your mind that
keeps you on point and helps you to keep others on point.
Is there some yeah? Massively or something?
Oh yeah, absolutely. Because you know life upon your
when you're young they tell you enjoy, right?
A have to enjoy. You have to, you know, eat well
you have to do fun things. You have to enjoy a glass of
beer or wine, whatever. And all of these things do not
align with the purpose that I have.
And the purpose is, in this case, I want to, you know,
achieve things with my dog's, I want to make videos.
I want to do all this stuff and all of that stuff is going
hand-in-hand with the pleasure. And the problem is, if you have
a lot of pleasure, the whole time you go on trips, you go on,
you do fun stuff with your friends.
Everything is cool. Everything is it you know, fun
and games. It sets you off track and I've
seen that in the on the Olympian level.
Also the More fun. They have the less good things
happen for them so but that's alright.
If you're chasing fun things that's that's totally fine.
But I look for, you know, I'm on a mission and I look for a
certain purpose. So for me the purpose exceeds
the pleasure. So purpose over, pleasure is a
quote that I really like because it aligns a lot with what I want
to achieve and and sometimes you know 365 working 16 hours a day.
It's not. Not people think, I'm always
kidding. I'm not I wake up and I think
about my work and I go to bed and I am still thinking about
it. So of course now with shift a
little bit before I only had to worry about my own dog.
Now I have to worry about so many other things that of course
I need more and II know it's something that I think if I get
older because I am, you know, already 44, you know, I'm not
taking a lot of pleasure but then again, if I would, would I
be happier? I think at this point, my
purpose is given me the pleasure and and once again I'm on the
same level as I was when I was very young, you know, trying to
pursue my athletic dream and I'm back where I was and then was it
was, it was crazy routine. Crazy, it was sleep.
Eat train work, always the same thing and I was very, very
happy, happiest time of my life and I'm back C.
So for me it started Any things in perspective?
Yes, I watched movies before them between.
I had some fun, you know, try to find what I could do to feel
better and stuff. Nothing makes me feel better
than, you know, seeing how we are work.
Can grow into what you envisioned it to be your the
same for your dog. If I have a puppy and I see this
puppy, develop becomes this dog. That is now inspiration for so
many people to me that purpose defeats anything.
So that's how I live. Nice.
I still can't remember the name of the guy but I know who you're
talking about. Yeah, Nina.
Do you do you have other pets than dogs?
Yeah. Well, The Palms are pets.
They, you know, they don't have the working life.
The working life to me is well, they also just like us, we have
to perform certain tasks right there.
Working dogs. They have to move certain ways.
You have to Things that have to learn new skills to have to get
achievements done and stuff like that.
So they I mean they can't just hang around do whatever they
want so you train them. Well, that's the thing.
Not so much because there's so little I like them more likely
to pet him the whole time because I do like pet dogs.
Like it's something that eases the mind when you're petting a
dog. I love, I love dogs.
Like to have the dog little dog on my lap.
My my chest and then it puts his It's not like in your neck and
it's like relaxing. Whoo, it's this is the best
ever. So I can enjoy this too, but the
thing is, with the, with the working dogs, it's more like,
hey, these guys are real, they have raw energy that brought
instincts, they want, they want something they want fast.
Okay, let's find a good way for both me.
I get, you know, to extract their potential.
They can do what they love. It's a win-win situation, but
it's also serious like John you don't just go and open the door
of the kennel or the crate, whatever.
And then. All right, you can do whatever
you want. It's very, very strict.
So and this is sort of discipline.
I also use for them, you know, it's the same for me.
Also goes for them. You have to first do this video
and then you can pull. Problem is the more doc you have
the harder it is to organize this.
If I always say, if you have big Ambitions like series big
Ambitions one dog one dog. And he's Going to consume all
your time and but the results you get then with this one, dog.
Yeah, they can be phenomenal, but the problem I have to divide
my focus on four or five different, it's too much.
Actually, I'm going to tell you the truth.
Like, I can manage it, but it's not ideal, but I want to see my
old dog. Never going to, of course, give
up my old dog and the labrador, have the other dogs, also the
training. So I have to, I have to, it's
like they don't have a choice, but if you want ultimate
performance, Ultimate control. I would recommend one dog.
You you prepare these young girl talks for, for other handlers?
So would you hand them on to someone else?
Or are they your projects and your demonstration, docks?
Yeah, they're my project. And some of these dogs over time
I could say, okay, maybe they can go by the other Handler who
has certain Ambitions. That I feel belong with this
dog, and I cannot give It to this dog.
Because, you know, I have a different structure, different,
you know, type of set up here. So, it's very movement oriented.
It's very high drive oriented. So because, you know, I need to
Showcase what the dog is capable of.
And, you know, at some point. Okay, I cannot keep all the dogs
here because I need continuous puppies, young dogs to show
stuff and then yeah, sometimes I saw a dog sometimes I give away
your dog, depends. So so you're in the dog training
business for, for quite some years now, and we talked about
the traditional Club world's police work etc and also about
the modern way of dog training, but, I talked with pet Stewart
about that. Innovation is not always helpful
at least sometimes it's helpful in concerning that you find out
that all the ways also made good good progress.
And is there anything that hasn't changed since you started
with dog training? But it just still works, it just
still does a good job. Well, of course, you know,
you're not going to change. Horror of how you can get along
with a dog and that's pretty easy.
And in terms of either, you're going to give him something or
going to take something away from him.
Are you going to correct them? So yes.
So I don't think you need it to be a scientist to understand,
that's how the animal operates. So of course, it's going to be
either food driven, it's going to be ball driven or you're
going to have to use tools. So and I know it's always going
back to that same story. And of course, if you ask me to
you, you put of course. Sin.
Does this guy hundred years ago, use food probably does if he's
smart. All right, so what did you use
something? That was attached to the dog to
have a connected and to not have the dog run away?
Yes, they do this 100 years ago. Yes.
So in those terms. Yeah, pretty much has been the
same but in other terms on how you develop these skills
specifically in a manner and your here's where the
differences so you can have these results faster and better
and more. Mission, while doing less effort
than somebody else and and the dogs happier and you're happier
and the energy exchanges even higher.
Now, you're talking about variables that were not talked
and discussed many, many decades ago at least it's in the
literature, so if it's not in literature, there's no videos
right now. We have the luxury to find
videos on everybody and everything.
But back in the day, you have to read the book, you read the
book. It's not in the books.
Nobody's books, okay. That means I guess nobody's done
it or it must Must have been on a very, very small scale these
days. Everything is so scalable, you
make this video, you make this podcast, you know, maybe 10,000
people, listen, Maybe 1 million, maybe two people, but it's out
there, you can find it, you can Google it.
You can add hashtags. So that's the thing.
But is that what you, what you were asking like, what what
that's a perfect, that's a great answer.
That's a great answer. So Nino.
Are you have already even ran through some of the questions?
I didn't even have to ask them but you your answers are great.
So now we've come to the point of our keyword Fast Response
game. And very short.
So we would run through around 66 bullet points.
Wow, are you ready? Yes, what's at stake?
So you see either we have to win something.
Lose something because I've the incentive is well you can just
take you know take us less time as possible.
Well maybe how they could much time the last.
The last keyword First Response game was this morning I had to
poke and the show and he was fast, he was fast but I don't,
in this case I would say there's nothing at stake but it's always
interesting to find out that the fast responses.
Sure. Compared to the longer and
thoughtful answers. So let's find out what is on
your mind? Yeah.
And the first the first one and somehow you already answered it
but let's do it again as a summary Talent versus
discipline. Hey, you know, inherently
connected if you want Apartments, great.
Second one essential training skills.
Or just kill essential training skill movement under percent.
Look, I always say if you can't, if the dog can't move let's say
genetically you had yet the best genetic dog possible but he
loses one paw. How are you ever going to prove
it now? And same goes for you.
So if you're disabled, for example, as a dog trainer and
you're into performance dogs, okay?
I'm not talking service dogs. Of course, these people have
done own believable jobs, you know, to serve people with
handicaps and stuff, so, incredible eyes, truly
respected, more than anything. But if you're looking
performance, if you look in, you know, any competition style,
whatever and you can't move this, which is nothing you can
do, this is serious. Problems.
So yeah movement hundred percent both for you.
And the doc movement is the enabler of all Talent, its
enabler without it, you cannot expand and more skills.
So movement, great answer but you lost points on this one.
I took too long. Okay next one development of
breeding dogs, development of breeding dogs, development of
breeding dogs problem problematic.
Yes, problematic. Importance of sports in the
working. Document e. unless unless unless
and I can, I tell you why, Sure, because the sequences have
always ruled everybody's entire routine, everybody's philosophy.
Everything was always about the sequence and I don't tell you
really honest for, and I can tell you why.
Because one of my students has more followers than any of us,
if you're talking 400,000 Plus on YouTube, five million on Tick
Tock over 100,000 on Instagram. No dr.
Weiner has this. And I generally can tell you
that the majority of the people that are interested.
And working dog performances. They do not care.
If this is either PSA or this is igp, or this, is he a Vida?
Nobody cares, nobody cares. I want to see the performance
and the performance can be displayed and many forms in many
ways and the days that we needed to support as you know, our
ultimate guide because we have no creativity.
We don't know what to train, please help us and give us a
sequence to sport is dead. The N VB K here, the traditional
sport, which we all have so much in Belgium.
It's almost Most dead and it'll continue to, you know, to go on
a decline steam but it can't be the same for all these great
Sports. It's going downhill.
So does that mean that working dogs are less popular?
Actually know they've never been this popular.
Why? Because of we have the exposure
now so but the relevance of the dog sport.
Does that does not imply. I don't like sports at all.
I'm just telling you the influence becomes less and less
important. Very interesting.
We'll get back to this. After the last bullet point, you
have traveled. The world.
What was your favorite destination?
Believe it or not, it was Alaska.
I was like, yeah. I was like, what am I gonna do
in Alaska, too cold? Of course, it was cool.
I went into summer likely was still cold, but the nature is so
violent. So rough like, hey, you know,
you were driving back there and I was thinking, if my car breaks
down is nobody here, only wild animals.
This is pitch-black, this is crazy.
Crazy. Rough environment you go up 30
minutes by car? It's freezing.
That snow, it's The Valleys the oh it's just it's so
overwhelming. If you've never been in this
type of environment, for me, you know, Europe Belgium is nothing
really violent here. Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's Alaska, that would be also one of my
favorite destinations are unique on the to-do list.
Great. So this has been it and For the
next guest, I will definitely think ahead to to find what's at
stake? You're awesome.
Let's get back. So I don't mix things up talking
about the the development of breeding and from what I
understood, of course, the The Sports World effects.
The breeding a lot. Yeah.
So how do you see this? Also with the ndpk or the knp be
and are the criteria of breeding dogs and decreasing do?
We have did we have higher quality dogs, 20 years ago?
30 years ago. My opinion is yes.
But the problem is you can't measure all this because today
you can bump it to the greatest dog that you've ever seen and
then you could say well what's the problem here?
Because my see a great dog in front of me so they must have
had great dogs before because how else is this great dog here?
Today, it's all the, you know, the reaction chain of having a
great dog to start with and you just continue to breed with
other great dogs, whatever. But the truth is, what you just
said, is the sport is on its decline.
The pool of genes were they used to, you know, be very selective
is not so much anymore. So, back in the day, also, bad
training was disguised by a very good dog.
So, with a new, if this dog can go through this, you know, the
jumps and the pressure and the group work, and all that kind of
stuff will tell you a lot about the dog, these days.
People, of course, luckily also got a little bit better so you
can disguise some of the Rajan etics that maybe lakhs or to
enhance things by using Better skills and stuff like that.
So even if you use the sport as a genetic pool, it's still going
to be hard then to find out. Then, you know, they're offering
this Champion to breed, but it's just truly the dog that you want
to breathe. It's might be the most
productive cell because everybody knows the name and
everybody wants a piece of this dog, because they've seen
Brilliance, and it's routine. That doesn't necessarily mean,
this is the best dog to breed. Okay, so this is all your
problem. But the thing is like now, These
days because the pool has as you know become so much smaller and
and the internet demand has become so much bigger.
You know what happens right either the price goes up but how
do you jack up the price from a for a working dog to you know
you can't start charging people not twenty Thirty fifty thousand
dollars for puppies and say look very selective here.
So what's happening is even the the good dogs that are still
here are just going to Normal homes.
Normal people. And you know, not I would say
super skilled people that extract all the potential you
need to see. So what's happening is you lose
a lot of, you know, prospects and people that do have the
analytics to to make assessments on?
What is a good Prospect at the year year to year old Mark
before it even competed, you've seen in a training this is very
inside information and then usually these dogs also and I
know it happened they get sold. Or you know then we talked about
the 20 30 K prices and not these dogs are gone, maybe there are
getting now. Great results.
In China may be in Israel, may be in wherever but not in
Europe. Maybe not, you know, in more
majority of people do not have access to them anymore.
Yeah. So Did you have your own
breeding programs? I don't, I don't have breeding
programs. I have a really nice dark like
Rocky and he has done his service because he one of his
sons is a special forces. SWAT dog?
Very high level the youngest talk to to get certified.
You know, it's crazy, good dog. So and that case his mission is
already accomplished. He gave jeans now, were we serve
community on a high level? You know?
Because to me that's still one of the most Horton jobs just
like service dog. You know for this community
work, the dog going in the line of fire to get, you know, high
risk. People, take out criminals.
It's very important. So yeah, he served its purpose.
But look, I'm not you see never on my website.
Here, I have this dog to breed. I'm not, I'm not asking anyone
because I'm very selective. If you come here today with your
female, not just going to say yes.
I also want to see because Cuz I know it's not just going to be
one dog, and I were dog has flaws.
And every dog has strengths and there's so much stuff to, to
take into consideration. So breathing has become, but the
money for some people. It's just so attractive.
I think they'll just breathe it with anything.
You'll sell it, because the demand on the Internet is so
high before and Belgium where you going to sell this dog with
no internet. Where do you think you're going
to, do you put it in the newspaper?
You don't even have a picture, right?
Pictures are not exist. So you only have like three
lines Malinois for sale. Okay who's going to come?
Well people looking for this dog specifically for you see you and
now it's a different world. You put one picture looks cute
with one ear up when you're down you have sold your dog.
You see. This is what I think.
So I'm such an asshole to before you would say.
Hey I don't know if I'm going to breed because I maybe I keep one
puppy. What am I gonna do with the
other eight? You see, you want to take care
of a dog's? No, of course, not.
So that problem is No longer a problem.
You can get rid of anything. Sometimes, I think, how is he
ever going to sell these dogs? I looked at this letter, it was
like the worst ever. And then one week later every
dog is sold like okay, we have we have some people with
problems today is no other way. So this is reality, right?
That's why people work money on this professional, dog,
training, stuff for train. Whatever.
You know to behavioral modification.
It's necessary. So it's good.
These people exist because there's many problems, but of
course, ideally, we don't want these problems, right?
We want to start the creation. We want to start with a good
vibe. You want to start with good
genetics? That's the thing.
It's not the case. Not for any breed, all breeds
have problems. All of them, if it's not held
problems, its behavior problems issues, the brain goes crazy,
even the working dogs, they also have problems, so, yeah.
And they, we do you think, can we say that we over?
I bred them or was it too little and scientific aspects on in
terms of the selection of genetics etcetera that we
created, because we have tests, we have health tests for
example, dogs are getting x-rayed, the hips, the elbows,
the shoulders, the back, Etc, but we can't get rid of all the
sicknesses. So, yeah, but looks your, what's
your opinion? My opinion is I actually had a
great conversation. About it with somebody.
He said, oh, you have x-ray, x-ray, look, I have x-ray
because the police asked me before that, I don't know.
Know anybody had X-rays ever on his dog, in the Circuit of the
entry. BK is like the x-rays.
Well, I don't know. But look at this dog jump
because atletic performance. Look at what he is capable of
doing at the age of six. Seven eight, nine years old
still competing. Well, then, you know, the dog is
going to be fit. So, you know, and because those
dogs only the best dogs were used to breed.
Be bold, they give good genes. It's like survival of the
fittest so they have you already started, right?
That's of the ones that had the best genes has the most chance
to survive at. So and actually if you look at
it, the best dogs had the most chance to survive or with the
worst handlers, right? Yeah.
And those dogs were bred and there were tough as nails, and
there were very strong frame dogs.
So there were no problems to be honest.
Like the man was a poor man's dog.
Pee little, you get it for free. As dog would become 15 years old
and I go to the vet once not get any vaccines of the Belgian,
man. This is talking Belgium.
Nobody went to the vet like this is all new.
You know, you had this dog, when my grandparents, whatever they
had this dog, this for free, never go to the vet, never never
nothing. So I think there is a problem
these days, these days, every dog has allergies, these dark
everyday has intestine problems. Is a job, digestion, problems.
There is a nerve Problems. There's there's more problems
than I can count. So yeah, I think there's
something happened but a, I don't know what?
I'm not qualified to be honest to tell you what.
Exactly, but this is my sense of how things have shifted before.
Nobody asked you x-rays, what x-rays?
You know how expensive x-rays or four people?
You're going to put X rays for dogs now.
So you see where I'm going and now you need to find the x-rays
because these dogs have never made a jump in their life and
then of course, maybe their frame is a total wreck.
And then you need to know, oh yes, we can use this dog because
it's frame is like, but if you would have trained it, you
probably would have known. So, yeah, yeah.
You would have no, no, dogs. Two years.
He cannot you cannot do anything.
So yeah, well, I wouldn't say that is the norm, but there's
exceptions. Very muscular dogs.
They will, they will disguise there is an underlying frame
problem like Orthopedic problem. So, of course, then you're
unlucky, and you will be happy, you have your x-rays.
So the people are all the x-rays.
It sure will be, we will be saying, what does he know?
Of course, because we are acts raised.
Now we exclude dogs from reading.
It says all great. Look, I'm fine.
But let's not forget why you do them in the first place.
If you're talking igp jumps with you, it would be the same as me
running and 16 seconds hundred meter and then and then
comparing to Olympian level. Look your dog, jumps.
One hurdle, 100 cm on grass a how is this now?
Eh-eh-eh-eh-eh an hour. I mean criteria to Define if
your dog is athletic, I'm sorry. It's not an A-frame is not the
Pinnacle of athleticism for dogs, believe it or not, so some
people will hate it. But this is the reality.
Same goes for the camp. EV somebody send me videos that
can be. This dog jumps over a puddle.
It's like an arm length. Big look, any dog can jump this,
this is not, this is not like high discipline, so let's see.
Have to put things in perspective and you have to be
very critical critical on what you assess.
You can't just say yes, of course, it's a lead because look
at these dogs, going to world champions and look at how fast
they can jump. Look, there's these dogs could
be crippled and jump 1 meter. No clue.
Yeah, that's true. And still, it's still, it's the
permission for breeding at least.
In many countries. Yeah, yeah.
So you, we already given the answers ourselves, the policy
that you know, the federation's, the the money in the pedigrees,
you know, all that kind of stuff.
The N VB K is not recognized by the FCI.
Why do you think that is? It's Monopoly.
The Monopoly said FC. I will only recognize one
Federation for Country, so and ubk, I'm sorry.
We already have sent to better, so you cannot come in so your
dogs are not official except dogs.
It's a money game, right? Yeah, sure.
So, but, of course, not, everybody knows in the whole FCI
Malinois pedigrees. There's many, many n VB, K Dogs.
Everybody knows oh, but now they have DNA testing.
Yeah, yeah, of course, but the pedigree is already a false FCI
pedigree to start with, so it doesn't matter if you have DNA
testing. Look, it's all a shitshow to be
Sometimes people send me pedigrees and have the luck to
live in Belgium, and I can ask people that have lived here done
this much longer than I have. And I asked them and they know
this is all fake, this is all this and you're thinking if
only, you know, this one guy two guys in the whole country where
this is all coming from, how is somebody in the United States
going to know or, and for our and Canada or in Australia or
whatever? They don't know.
So, it's that's where it already starts.
It's so, But the question is, would they care if the dog?
If the dog is healthy and, and Energetic and driving.
Does it really matter about the pedigree?
But I guess the MVP case similar to the can PV know, like not
roll. No, no.
But I mean, in terms of The quote I have in my head they say
papers don't bite so they don't look for the fanciest pedigree
day, at least. That's what I've learned.
I'm far from being a nerd on pedigrees Etc.
Well, but it makes sense. It makes sense.
If you, if you're not looking for the most beautiful one but
for the one who has the skill set, what were all the respect
for the kpv? I don't think they're in a good
position. Talk about how to breed dogs,
okay? And and the reason why is
because if you create your own database and it's a bunch of art
cross and you know, what's the assessment on all these dogs?
Was it ph1? Whatever.
Okay, I get it. But if I tell you right now and
let's just be very, very open and honest if a dog, which is a
not Elite Malinois, right? If you're talking about a
Bouvier or you talking about Any other you know not so standard
breed can win your Championship that says a lot about the
standards of ph1. Although I'm the last guy to say
this is, he's nothing is easy. Nothing is easy.
But let's not also over exaggerate the ph1.
I'm actually type that there's not I don't know any ph1 or I
don't know any kntv paper dog that has ever accomplished
something significantly and the MVP K.
And you can see of course not because there Holland that
you're in Belgium, it's but there's always a, you know, a
spin-off of dogs. If they're really, really that
great bold and Belgium, people will go shopping and find Camp
if you dogs to perform in their program.
It's just it's just how it is and it's it never it never
happened. So so I mean to me these are
indications that okay, this is not watertight.
First of all, if you're going to start you know messing around
with all these different breeds and sizes these days, they have
Mountain was weighing I don't know 45.
Those 50 kilos and everybody's fine with this.
I'm the last guy to say, okay, he can breed, but I mean, let's
also not make this into well, a freak Show.
Why is it my love? Why not 50 kilos and everybody's
proud of it? Look, if I buy a mountain while
by standard, I'm looking for 30 kilo dog, 32 kilos, it can be
deployed and you know Elite forces whatever you're not
looking for a 50 cable, dog, in my opinion.
So, but if this is now the norm, everybody can do whatever they
want based on. Based on their assessment.
I don't know if that's a long-term.
Great plan for breeding. So I may be the quote, sounds
great papers on body. Of course, I agree with this.
You have to look at the dog itself but to to look at this as
now while the Dutch are be like the above anybody else, or
they're more advanced and reading just because they match
everything and they try to see what works and they have a lot
of Drive. I've seen very, very high drive.
Dogs that did not have other abilities.
That I think are very important also, but you see then it
becomes a also, a pissing contest.
Nobody wants a pissing contest. You know what that means?
Is that like mine's the baddest? No mind is stronger.
No, but yours cannot bite that good.
Well but mind at least has can retrieve metal.
Yes. And if I took my dog off my dog
wants to come again and my dog, when they see these are kids
stories. I don't like, you know, to
assess talents. So and then again we go to the
definition that what is Talent? Real talent?
Combination of skills that you can apply new simultaneously at
all times. So you could do things better
faster and more efficient than somebody else with less effort.
Okay, same goes for the dog. So, how many skills can we teach
a dog then? Let's define what skills you
want to teach them first? Are you talking about jumping
skills? You don't provide biting skills.
You're talking about movement, obedience skills, you're talking
about Focus skills, you taught me.
See, so many skills now, now, let's see which one can make the
combination in stressful conditions, so, So now we can
Define. Who is the most talented dog?
Not the one dimensional dog that we think oh look how tough he
is. He just he just cracked
somebody's arm you know because it came in so wild and so good.
Yes, this is one part of the overall skills that you're
looking for, right? So let's not also be blind
through this. Expect a killer exercise and
assume this is. Now the next best breeding
Prospect, or You're going very fast.
I realize it does. It just doesn't work like that.
You can breed with specimen A and B, great dogs, and have a
complete not fit, dog for your program.
So, and again, this would be a great great topic for for a
whole episode in talking about the talent, maybe even
selecting. Because I totally get the point
of your, if your definition, I just think it's, it's, it's hard
to To had to rate. So, how to find out if someone
is or someone or a dog is talented and you have to train
to find out, right the rose. It's an is it estimates used for
in the word is misused because majority sees Talent as your
natural gift to perform or do whatever.
You're you're talented, you're good at this know, being good at
something does not mean you're talented.
Give you example, we both go to the police right as the police
And we spent 20 years at the police 20 years, both 20 years
and you are very confident in what you do.
You can go to any assignment and you can, you know, make
everything work. You make the filings of your
very extremely competent police officer, okay?
Then the next guy, how you going to tell that this is a talented
police officer? Well, we both do the same job
after 20 years. We both go into this assignment.
We both finish the file and we both do great things.
Okay, so, so what are you going to measure this?
Now? How Imagine, who is talented, so
that's why it's important to understand.
The distinction between component, means that, over time
by putting in a lot of repetitions experience work, you
become competent, right? So from being not competent.
So our first day you come and you're not competent to be a
police officer, you're not just not it's impossible, you have to
learn all the new stuff and then you have to add, get experience,
whatever then you're competent. But then how do we make
assessment or differentiation between?
This is a talented police officer world.
There's a speed of learning Oh, yes.
Then there's the amount of effort this person had to do to
accomplish the same results in you did.
So and then there's all these skills being combined at the
same time and stressful conditions that he can access at
all times and you struggle with but you both are competent for
sure. But the one guy is going to be
talented among guys. Not and this is the same thing.
You have to find out with the Dog Handlers is who's going to
be who, what is towns, right? So, if you win the trophy and I
had actually within the ICP at a little discussion with somebody
who was also a speaker, That, you know, at the end of the day,
if you want to Define yourself as great or whatever, the
conversation was, then what would it take for you to become
great or amazing or whatever? And about that?
That's a legitimate question. You have to think about this and
say, okay this is my, this is what I want to do to Define
myself as great, amazing. Well then if you're great or
amazing, does that mean you're talented?
Because let's say, you win two titles one title and does that
mean, you're now the most talented, This is that mean,
your dog is just Nest, or just you see, you see?
So, what, maybe you took 20 years to become the champion 25
years? So you are very competent.
Does not mean, but what is it? You're looking for you for a
most talented, dog, you looking for the most talented Handler,
or you looking for the most competent, one, and there's a
huge difference. And also, if you're going to
select coaches, you going to select Idols.
Are you going to select the role models?
Are you looking for somebody who is extremely competent, or
somebody who is very talented? The route on how they became
what they are, is going to be very different.
So that's why assessing profiling and analyzing what
this town consists of is the Breakthrough.
This is the Holy Grail in dog training.
Now in my opinion because everything's been said and done
about dogs, what if you? If you bringing the best igp
trainer and today and we bring them live from you have this
discussion so you know why you do this with your hand and say
why you do this with your ball? Why do you move your foot like
this in IPO? And he says, why do you move
your two feet in and I'll discuss go back and forth and at
the end of the day people will judge.
I like his dog more than this dog or whatever.
And and it basically becomes just a back-and-forth of how how
did you do this and it's irrelevant?
If the question is, how do you give you the skill to other
people? So, because we're not going to
last here, forever. How do we pass this on?
So you can do the same with less effort even Or you can, you
know, get the same results by understanding what you need to
prioritize, what you need to develop and what you need to be
looking at from a perspective at the had the handle itself.
So you can become more efficient in training your dog.
And then, same thing for the dog and this is going to be the
difference and not the how to you use a ball.
I use a marker, you use a voice marker, I use the clicker, you
use a foam ball. I use a talk, right?
You bite on Jude, I buy on synthetic all These, this is all
these discussions and Doctrine or about this.
My sport is better and actually we just had my jumpers higher.
My jump is his neck. You're my, my courage takes more
for this for. Yes, yeah, I understand all this
stuff, right, but I get the point, I get the point.
It's a good, it's great to talk to someone who really made some
thoughts about it, and obviously, he bring along some,
some in Germany, would say, hunt Fest.
Which means a strong arguments, and it makes sense.
And, to be honest, I, I've had my sometimes, it's difficult on
how you define the terms like Talent or or greater discipline.
But yeah, you just brought it on here yet.
The terminology is very, very, very important.
If you bring on anyone. Like we join this conversation
with anyone and we would have a complete different active on
with Town means that whatever she means on.
What skill means, how about combination of skills means a
comment. Like all this kind of stuff, not
competent more or less competent.
Very talented. Last time that you see.
Now we're throwing words, big impact, but meaningless unless
we first Benchmark, what it truly means.
What if I Reverse this. Now I'll be your interviewer, I
would say, can you define the most sound Doctrine, or how that
would look? What is your perception of this?
Do you see now a sport? Do you see a guy doing the 10
things? Do you see a circus Handler?
For example because he can manage 10 crazy little dogs and
10 big dogs and then he can make them all do these things.
At the same time you see what is your definition of the most
talented our camp? Do you want to become a talented
dog handler, or you want to become competent in a certain
sport? I win the trophy.
Are we come talented in this Sport?
And when the trophy faster than the other guy, you see?
So then what is it? Now we're now we're getting into
the depth of the conversation first.
Let's Benchmark. What we talk about is the same
and then we can have a genuine discussion.
Okay, I agree with this or I don't agree with this.
What are your basic yourself on? What are the parameters of what
is your, what is your foundation to prove this?
For example, is this arbitrary is this proven is this.
What what what results did you get with this?
So you see Have to start working now with with stuff that we've
done that. We find that about this.
And I tell you that there is a lot to learn about people to
develop talents, and don't like, let's leave dogs out for a
second and if you want to find the best possible way to develop
a new skill, this is psychology. And then later comes a how later
comes the motor skills motor, fine, motor skills, gross motor,
skills of cognitive skills, social skills, aesthetic skills.
All this stuff right now, becomes holistic, but in the
end, let's first Define, what we're looking after what we
want. And then we can set up a plan.
This is how this works. Dog, training, is based on your
current status of skill, competencies same for the dog.
Now, let's build everything else.
You can watch 20 seminars. You get some tips here, you get
some tips here, but you, you're really don't.
First and why this guy's keep winning all the trophies and
you're not trying to do the same.
I'm in this club, I try to look at him all the time.
I've been in clubs where people were high level Champions and
some people that looked it to this guy, 20 years and they
could not do it and they see him do it.
Does that mean there they have? No hands didn't.
They're not working. Yeah, but there's you see.
But it's so it's almost am like oh well of course you know, it
doesn't mean because you're not talented.
So the other guys more talented. Yes.
But what Eels. Then is he using that the other
guy doesn't have can look? Can we at least Define these?
Why? He is winning?
And this guy is not because I wrote showing up.
They both have passion. They both have discipline, they
both are focused. They both have the same genetic,
dog. He even uses the same dog as the
same. He used the offs, this guy,
whatever, and still they stagnate very fast, this guy
always wins. Wins wins wins, stacking wins.
This is something really have to get to the bottom of Don't just
take all his his more gifted than you, but that's not the
answer. Why is the Olympian that I
trained with why? Is he better than me?
I trained just as much as him. I look like him.
Seriously, you took my picture when I was 25.
I look like him. My legs.
My everything. Looks like him.
I'm just as tall as him. I'm explosive everything.
Why is he running always faster than I am?
We're talking tenths of a second right?
Why Okay, now we have to look into slow motion, are you have
to look into depth Plyometrics psychology?
What let what's influencing this this performance here?
Now, all of a sudden, it's a little bit more skills.
It's so many things here. Now, we become never comes high
level, right? Because you want to understand
why you are not hitting the mark and the higher the level gets.
Well the the more sources you need, the more professionals.
You need to to think, okay, what's Happening Here Why is
Usain Bolt winning everything? Why is he making everybody else
look so bad? How is this possible?
I think, I think, as you mentioned it gets holistic
because there are so many parts that that play their parts in
the whole game. It's, of course, it's talented
discipline, it's genetics. Obviously, and do, you know the
book for sure, you know, the power of habits, who wrote it.
The check his family name is Hanuman, I believe.
Daniel can Kahneman. No, sorry.
It's not. No, it's a different one.
I'm reading and I'm listening to books so I sometimes I really
mix it up. Yeah.
One was The Power of Habit by Charles duhigg and it's a great
one to listen to and he's talking about one of her.
Olympic swimmer and he obviously his coach when he first met him
saw. The this boy has the physique
and the talent for swimming and to become the best of the world
and in the end in the end, he was right.
But what what made the difference between all the other
swimmers is, is what was creating habits that just made a
big difference? Not targeting the swimming
itself. But it was targeting the whole
preparation, the daily routine, and of course, or obviously this
place, or if it has a high impact on the end performance.
So it's the whole preparation. That goes ahead of the
performance of a runner or a swimmer.
And in the quantity might take a few minutes only, but Yeah for
me. And I've had very little
knowledge about psychology. I didn't studied or whatever so
I'm but I think there's so many parts that we still don't
understand. Yeah.
And that's because we don't understand them be, we break
them down as motor skills for dogs.
Yeah, no seriously, that's what happens is.
Always, here's your worth my, how to where's my step-by-step,
and all honesty. I use the term step-by-step
sometimes and you know, yeah and creating the content, because if
I talk about all this holistic stuff, like in my introduction,
people would go with it. What it's going on here, is
this, they can't comprehend what he says.
So I say step by step, but it's What people like to hear is a
step by step, but if you think about it, step-by-step, what a
dog, it's a very individual process.
The dog is also very individual. So it actually can be
step-by-step because, you know, everybody's level is different,
everybody's dogs reaction is different.
So by definition, it has to be already very interactive because
you need to ask me questions like a but I tried this and
that's not working so we have to make assessments right?
So there's got to be multiple dogs on this program, there's
got to be multiple type of handlers on this program because
else Are we going to Benchmark what's gonna work and what's
going to be a potential problem? So, I think the way of teaching
also changed a whole lot, the, the way we are able to process
images and videos and 100 frames per second.
You know what that is before something happened is like that
was, I don't know what that was, but then you can look at a
hundred times, you never see it until you see. 120 frames per
second in super slow motion close up.
Whoo, now, you see things now you see you consciously see.
Oh here is where he's doing something that I did not see
here is where the footwork is going to be such a detail in
this ultimate you know, shift of weight and you all these things,
right? All right.
This is a new way of teaching. We didn't have 50 years ago to
20 years ago. Not even 10 years ago hundred
frames per second and 4K. That's like I can poke your nose
on a 70 inch screen and look in slow motion as clear as it could
possibly get. It's insane.
How clear that is. So that's a camera.
For example, we used to shoot. I did slow motions.
But of course, you will want to have to see it because if I give
you the video just like I don't care about how did stock moves
or how he moves? Well then of course it's not
going to be useful but if you want to analyze, if you finally
say, hey, he's given away the blueprint of what he does.
So let me see then, what is the detail here?
Because it is in details a lot. Then, you can at least look, but
if you can't see, you're not going to pick anything up.
So if we talk about this podcast but you turn off the volume
with, you're not going to hear it, you're not going to get
anything out of it. It's the same with everything
either you want it and you're going to listen, you're going to
process your brain is going to start working and find ways or
you don't. Maybe you're looking for the
heck, maybe looking for the shortcut.
Maybe a, if I get this secret from him, I'll get my faster
results. But I tell you right now, the
definition again, for the fifth time, it's a combination of
unique skills that allows you to do things better.
Run faster. So unless you have learned the
skill right explanation? Mark earned it through work,
you're not going to get it. So that's why I go into a
seminar and people give me dogs and I have five minutes, ten
minutes and they tell me do this because it's not working for me.
And they've trained this dog for one year a few if you think
about it, how crazy that it's so you train.
The dog. For one year, you asked me five
minutes? I don't know this dog.
I know this place. I've never been here and you
want me to get better result and you have in five minutes, how is
this possible? Well, I'll tell you why.
Because by using multiple skills simultaneously, you can do
things better faster than somebody else.
And in this case in five minutes it is truly happening in five
minutes. Yeah.
But of course if you do not have all the skills that you're not
going to take that dog, you're going to find all the reasons to
not, take that leash. Oh yes.
You're going to find your way through the the event that you
don't have to hold anybody's. Leash lovelorn anybody's, dog.
Let alone anybody's problem. You don't want that, why?
Because maybe, If you have not learned the skills and maybe you
don't consciously know what components are going to be have
to be used here, and maybe your analytics are too low to make
this assessment in one second. Two seconds, 50 seconds, one
minute you're being put on the spot. 50 people watching you
right? You want to look bad when 50
people watch you you just as bad as a guy giving you the dog?
No of course not sure how now we're seeing also differences in
yeah approach. And the thing, that's the point.
So I don't think people get shocked, but they, at least
they're that smart, that they are aware of how much work it is
to earn this new set to earn the experience to to to realize
what's what it costs to create a certain movement and reaction
from the learner, the dog and there.
I think we see the separation of Of people who have the grit and
the endurance to go and start doing it, who know that the
journey is going to be long. Because you didn't, you didn't,
you weren't born with this skills, right?
You're not Supernatural. You just put a lot of work and
effort into it and I think but Florian, let me get back to you
on the grid. The grid Factor has been studied
by scientists to see how important is great.
You know, if it's performance-based and you know
where it was Nificant very significant results based on
grid was only and Special Forces.
For example, and highly Elite levels.
Were your skills were actually not relevant anymore.
You can have people go into testing pool of Special Forces
and they have physique. They have skilled have power,
they have strength, they have all the, all the traits, all the
traits to become the perfect Soldier.
It's irrelevant. If you don't have the grid then,
or usually the grit is the factor if you're going to make
it. That's not the case in dog
training. If Are going to test grid for is
very important here. If you're going to test grid
with dog trainers or aspiring dog trainers, you're gonna have
nobody left. There's not going to be any
Doctrine or so how do we avoid this growth factor?
Playing the biggest part is by using people's strengths also.
So you also have to use strength continuously.
Let's say you define somebody who wants to be a working dog
trainer and you define a big weakness and you tell him all
day. This what you do?
It is what you did, is what you have to keep training.
This, you will ask his growth factor to stand.
If he doesn't have this great factories going to quit, but the
problem is, you're in dog trainers.
You can't consistently be looking for grits, high growth
factors because this is something not as trivial.
As we just named it to Port factors, like strength can
strength be used now interchangeably with Talent or
is there are three different differently again.
I'm talking about Sin in dog, trainers.
Yes, well, and strength, pure physically, let's say you have
left, you have done that. Left work, you have done the the
cardio work. You have two traits like the
traits to become a great Soldier physically.
But having the trade itself is not going to get you through
Special Forces. We know they're going to test
you to see the grid to see if you don't want to be there
anymore or you staying, you are you choosing to stay.
If you can go and we make it so hard on you, this is your growth
factor and this is something that not a lot of people have.
That's why there's a reason. There's only so many special
forces elite soldiers and this is that's why I mean Have to be
careful if this is what you want is kept from dog trainers,
you're going to not have any Doctrine or left so if you make
it so hard if you make the skill so an obtained unattainable that
they have to use their grit to get through it.
Well that basically you you punish them for their weakness
and use it. Do it again, do it again, do it
show me again right you quit you go.
This is not the way to go because you want to be like
strengthen people you have to always use their strengths.
But how do you define their strength is by making an
assessment? Make an assessment from Ground
Zero. How do you make this assessment
role? That's where ICS canine comes in
and helps you make this assessment, but it's only
useful. If you your, have your vision
ready, if you just come in looking for the hack and I give
you an assessment or you still going to ask me the same
question. Where's my hack?
Where's my food? When am I stopped using the
food? When I stopped using the leash?
When I stopped using this one or two, get my free of freestyle
healing. When I get my friends, when you
see when one Wonder Woman, look, take it easy here.
This is the journey. This is not a ten day.
You're going to walk. This is a six-month bad 12-month
bad. Okay, so take it easy.
Sit down. Assess.
What people go into my MVPs. My highest class 700 videos.
You can't just rush in and see 700 videos and that's it next
day. I'm ready.
What do you mean? You're ready?
Is a process. Yeah.
So and that's that's the thing, you know, because of the
internet to swipe culture. Swipe swipe swipe to the left.
Swipe to the right. You know, this is what it is.
People don't see it. It has a white dog training.
Also consists of multiple skills, but I don't even want to
listen, what skills? I just want to result with the
dog. Well, good luck to you see how
you you did your homework here. I really enjoyed it.
Listening to these. Did his minutes and I hope you
still have some more time left for lips.
I'm like I can do this all day every day.
I believe is this is what I told you in the beginning, this is
what I do. This is this is what I live for
is what I wake up for. This is my mission so nice.
Very impressive, really enjoy this Sony, no back to the
catalog of questions, I've prepared.
Sure. And I'm curious about this one.
This is about your person. What was one of the biggest
mistakes you did in dog training.
That's a hard question, really. See because there's so many
mistakes that I that I make. But like you're talking minor
mistakes, big mistakes. Maybe it was a small mistake.
But with a major impact on on how the treated things in
future. Yeah.
Maybe the biggest mistake was I can.
Yeah, the biggest mistake was because I'm very technical,
right? And if you look at my videos,
You'll see it's all has to be done.
We cool, but I think a lot of competition is one.
Also, with haven't great cardio, which I did not always prepare.
So it's not because you you do your routine twice a week or
twice a day, I mean that you have great cardio could you know
stamina for the dog? So I think this is something I
underestimated. Now here on the MVP we also had
great Champion Christian Fletcher nor of you've heard of
him very special guy, you should interview them.
He's like he's one in a Million really.
Yeah, Christian Fletcher. So yeah, he also did a chapter
on my MVP on how he became a world champion.
And I was so impressed with it and I told him when I talked to
him and he he talked about his routine and I knew right?
Then I said not in a million years, I would beat you the way
you train and what I do there's no way even though I am
technically better than Christian mean as an I can tell
that why because I've seen it myself like you know, The
coordination of the body movement, the way I can perfect
movement into the dock, but it's not going to win me that title
but he was capitalizing on things that would get into win
that title. So and it's that, you know, that
mistake that I would make and over compensating with, you
know, technique and stuff like that and and, you know, doing it
in a certain way that he would have the Competitive Edge all
the time, because his dog will be way more prepared to Do a
routine in 30 minutes and blistering heat, and still, you
know, do everything. Perfect.
So it has to do with a combination of things.
And I think that's a mistake that I, when I was competing.
I overlooked, I didn't think of this.
How much of an impact this would have?
It's a great point, I think, And it doesn't depend on what you're
doing, but this soon as it gets too.
The possibility of having to do it a longer time for a service
dog or yeah. Every talk that you can't
definitely. No.
Is the task going to be 10 minutes or three hours?
Yeah I'm looking to prepare for. Yeah, absolutely one.
Good one. We haven't had this so far.
Yeah, we hope to look at a lot, so I think the overlooking is a
big mistake because if you overlook, it means, you missed
opportunities because we're going to make mistakes anyways.
Going to its inevitable but missing an opportunity it's like
all day. That's something I don't like.
Yeah, I've just been to Switzerland for workshop for
search and rescue organization and and their mission Readiness
test, lasts for 3 to 4 hours and and these are multiple searches
after each other in Alpine surroundings.
So your they are not defining Hector's like we know from
areas. Is a wellness Services yet from
Iowa or something? You have six ha or 45,000 square
meter to search and they count in in meters in height.
So this is not an additional part and they have to prepare
the dogs and for for being able to endure these physical.
Yeah tasks. And and then I went to Germany
to to part two or more flat part and there was a difference in
nothing. All dogs of course, but the dogs
physique from the mountain organization to the flat land.
And doesn't, I don't want to rate, but there was obviously a
difference and it's important fact to to regard.
Yeah, yeah. Especially if we go.
And look at high-performance, you really have to do your
homework on what's going to be Competitive Edge if you if
you're determined. When if you're like a, if I'm
good and I'm probably going to get maybe a shot or I'm going to
maybe, you know, if you say I want this, it seemed like a, how
do you become the best YouTuber in the world if you ever thought
about this? How do you get the most views?
I get the most. How do you do it?
See again, how to, well, I guess being the best YouTuber in there
or highest-paid YouTuber is not your concern because else you
would go, okay, I know it's Here is it like is my I have ideas
but you look, that's the thing. You really want it?
What do you what do you think it will take?
And that's, that's where you are already.
Tell me how serious you are. So Because we all want
something, we all want something.
But the question is what are we willing to sacrifice?
Everybody wants muscles. Of course, I don't know anybody
that says, no, I want fat belly, you know?
Of course, if I can have a choice, I'll take the muscles,
but of course, the effort for muscles or the effort for a fat
belly is very different, right? One is pleasure and one other
one is sacrifice. Yes, when everybody's enjoying
something, you know, tasty, you're eating, you know, very
plain, stuff, whatever. So yeah, it's a sacrifice that
Want to do you sacrifice sleep. Also, if you train dogs, it's
all day. I mean, all day, all day, every
day you sacrifice rest because this dog has to come on.
This is like 365. He can take vacation.
He cannot call you up and say, it's good man.
You can just, you can sleep in today.
We're good here in the do just, like, I want out.
I want to do something. You have to like this.
Dog is a machine. Like, he's programmed to hunt.
He's not gonna, he's not just gonna lay there.
I don't know what types of dogs. Some people have.
But here they are awake and they want to want to move.
Yeah. So you better move.
So we move on to the next one Nina.
What was the worst advice you've ever received?
The worst advice. Well, the worst advice is the
one you took. You execute it.
That's that's usually where the didn't really get me all the
way. So the worst advice in dog
training itself would be resorting to brutality.
That's to me. Is the worst advice brutality.
If the brutality is the answer, I will accept my loss because
you know, I made me. Income for certain scene.
And then I think if today, I would say, all right, I guess
I'm not going to, I'm not going to just take this and be happy
with doing this and then maybe getting that result by resorting
to this type of stuff. I don't like, I don't like
violence and dogs brutality, that kind of stuff.
So it's nothing to do with tools because tools is very
sophisticated in my opinion. Yeah, it's very, it needs a lot
of skill. But when it becomes like truly
brutality Yeah, the and this advice is being given a lot like
do this, right? Slapping kicking while I
wouldn't kick maybe but like be rough or take this stick, or do
that or pop the collar this way. It's like, this is why you why
somebody giving this advice, why?
Because, if you always have to ask yourself as a student, do I
want to become this person? Do I wanted his result?
And if the answer is, no, then don't take his advice.
No, it's a very easy rule, you want to be him, alright then do
what he does. You don't want to be him and
take his advice. This were already helped and
everything in life. So, if you could, what advice
would you give to the 20 year old knee?
No, I wouldn't, because that's the same thing, because advice,
can be left or taken. What I would do is find yourself
a role model, a coach, who will impact your life.
And not just give you advice will have an impact by doing the
things he does. And by and, Firing you the way
he's executing these things, this will be a way better, you
know? Be way better thing to have is
getting that, you know, role model in front of you.
Instead of getting advice, everybody gets advice every day.
Good advice but it leaves it on YouTube.
It's full of good advice. There's people billionaires
telling you. This is how you make money too,
so I'll become millionaire. Well, if you got the advice, why
didn't you take it? You see, it's just Advice.
Yeah sure it's true. Instagram is full of it but if
you looking for coaching, yeah, if you're looking for impact in
your life that's going to significantly change everything
about my life, we're not talking advice.
Now we're talking, different level B level.
This is you to the core if you, if IB am your coach and my
ethics, your, my core beliefs. Do not align with yours.
I can never be your coach never never.
See the acceptance of somebody's ethics.
Somebody's moral somebody's, you know, core beliefs.
This is the first step to B and B and eligible to coach.
So if you don't have that, forget it.
So I can give all the advice a Florian, do this.
Do this look what work for me. It's never going to work.
Never so and this is why I advise, you know, in school they
start giving you advice right away.
So everybody Goes his own path. You don't take your teacher as
your coach or your coach is just T.
Teach you things, right? He teaches you math.
He teach you how to ride. He teach you.
Okay, got it. Move on next is no no no impact.
Whatsoever is only a few teachers, those you remember,
but they're becoming very few. So Again, I learned a lot
already today and I'm sure our listeners as well.
So, you know, you've accomplished a lot.
You've had a service dog working dog with great records.
As you mentioned, you've been sporty, you've reached again,
your your physique you, you said them, you build a great Maybe
even lifestyle for your students.
You build great training programs that are understandable
for others. So others can do what you're
doing and I think that's one of the biggest trades for real.
Let's I don't want to now to use the wrong terms but for a coach
or for instructors and they're able to create training systems
that others can apply. And I don't know.
Did you mention that? You, you're having a family.
What are you really proud of? Your reach, so many things.
You accomplished so many tasks. Well, I really need to plan out
where I'm proud to be happy. What makes me also unhappy if
you this is a may be hard to understand so you know it's to
accomplish a goal is one thing and then you could be happy.
But I'm still unhappy because I have so many other things that I
did not achieve and this. So I could be happy being
unhappy, this is what I'm actually happy about.
That to me, I don't need anything anymore.
So if you say you have tomorrow, 10,000 students or 1000 or 500,
just maybe one, the one is enough for me.
If I could spend my time, if I do one on one here at my house,
I forget about everything but everything else, it's also good.
So because I say you can only judge if you need something, if
you have it, let's say you have, let's say money, people
sometimes say, yeah, money doesn't.
Make you happy. I'll ask you.
Do you have money? Yes, it will then.
How much do you have? So you can judge generally judge
if there's a make you happy okay?
I have 50,000 okay but maybe 100,000 maybe 1 million.
Maybe how much money would you need what you think?
This is going to make me happy, then make this money and then
judge it's the same with the physique, it's the same with the
doc performance. Once you have it, how happy did
this make you? And I can tell you, for me, I
told you yesterday. When I showed you a little clip,
we didn't, we never talked before.
And even though we never talk to send you a little clip, I said,
look, this is this to me. What I enjoy the most But I said
yesterday, it's be in sync with a little puppy for me.
That's it. This is it to me is the best
possible feeling a puppy that wants to be in the game.
I don't force him. I don't tell him.
It's not like, oh yes, but your lower base but the dog wants to
do this. He even when he is fed, he's
still coming forward. He still coming.
Hey hey hey, I want to do this because you we can no longer
have the dog be a predator. We can't just put him in the
woods and say bye-bye you live your life, you're good.
No, he needs to be attached to his Domesticated, he needs to be
attached to his Handler. So the Handler, what best
possible life. Can you give a dog where he
chooses to none? Say, hey, the work is, is the
worth. So the work instills, the worth
is also one of the quotes that I love you.
You have something now which has value because you put work in
this both of you and because the dog sees this as value.
Now, this value exceeds anything money, you know, having success
anything. This the work.
The most important. This is something that also goes
to your core, belief as Integrity.
Hey if I have nothing left, let's say today every business
is destroyed. Economy is dead.
Everything everything. Everything I could still
generally enjoy going outside with his dog with a piece of
bread because then nobody will have money.
It's a let's say, we hope piece of bread, I can still enjoy
this. I can still lift a piece of
weight and I can enjoy this because you know, it gives me
satisfaction. So basically, I need nothing.
Really, I still were the same. Clothes, as I work 10 years ago,
as you know, it doesn't change anything Heaven 1,000, students
are 100 students or 50,000 students if we can help more
people, great, but it's not going to change the mission.
So I'm happy with that. That I've already have impact on
people's life today, even if it's just one guy, two guys, ten
guys, that's great. My mission was I want to be a
coach of best possible coach? Because I knew what it took for
me to become a good trainer. Handler K-9 Handler.
Proctor. So now I made like you said,
many mistakes and now I can learn from this and, you know,
give this trade to other people. And if shown it that they can do
even better than me. I don't know.
Whom I've got this quote from, I think it was live a king.
He also found him on Instagram and and and he said don't try to
be like me. You will fail.
Try to be the best. Of yourself that you can be.
And actually, I don't I think that that's a good one because
before you said find an idol that you can follow and I think
that that's a good one, but maybe we shouldn't try to copy
that. That version the try to be the
best version that we can be like the comparison of your childhood
friend or youth friend and yourself.
You did the same. You look the same but still we
are different individuals with different benefits and traits
and and luckily we are not clones.
Yes. But look if you if you look into
this depth of this be the best version of you.
Well let's say there's a lot of limits of what you know your
talent does to you your skill development.
So I think it's not always easy to find what?
Skill is suitable for you, what? Which you learn fast, and then
it's easier than to say, I'll just be the best version of
yourself because your whatever you do is, is great and it's
only going to get better. But for some people, having a
slum relation to that model of what they want to see.
It can be helpful if things are not going their way, and if they
have to revert to themselves, well, better version of me.
And then let's say in the early days, we look at yourself like.
But there is nothing really to to improve from now on that I
can look into the mirror and Be proud of, so you need that
external. It's what we call in Psychology
the Outside Inside, right? So the outside is your
inspiration is your, whatever you are wanting to obtain and
then you revert to the inside. And you ask yourself how do I
become him or her you knew psychology or the new with the
better approach would be inside out.
So, basically, a little bit, what the code says, but you
understand your own trades, your own talents, your own energy,
Ville. And then you have your vision
your Ambitions and you understand what it will take
from you to become that, right? But in order to do that, we must
first know how to assess ourselves and talents and this
also takes maturity and time and it may be coaching because if
you ask anybody and say what are your talents, what are your
trades? What are your core beliefs?
What are your ethics? What for young people?
This might be a, whoa wait a second here, so they're not sure
yet, they haven't find the their way.
So for them outside inside is something they can relate better
to than inside outside movement. So this is a common mistake.
We make when we want to achieve things is we focus so much on
what they have and then the first thing we ask them.
What do we do to get what he has?
And the problem is if you don't have those internal traits yet
you while you're never going to get what he has, you see.
So, but it usually starts that way, it starts with Seeing
something, what you want to obtain a, what you want to
acquire and then if you do your work, if you read.
If you, you know, if you gain knowledge and stuff like that,
then you will be able to make right assessments and by making
these right assessments. Now you can design your vision,
your ultimate goal within what you can possibly do because
let's say if I would have kept on myself, you're going to be
Olympian. You're going to be Olympian,
you're going to be Olympian, it's not going to.
So I had to assess but before somebody could come in and say
the first day, you see this guy. How fast he runs now.
Let me see. You just beat focus on you, man.
You're not going to be him. This would not have been a good
way to go. I was too young.
I would have probably thought. Well then I guess I'm a nobody
loser. I'm a you see?
So I think both ways right now live in.
Yeah depending on the situation, the age experience.
Sure. Ambition.
For sure and also on the receiver.
So as we had the not the issue, but the topic with the
understanding of terms, it really depends on what the
receiver does with the information and if it sounds
limiting. So if I here Or if I would say
to myself, I'm trying to be the best version of myself.
I wouldn't see the limits. You know what I mean?
So, yeah, I would describe myself for example, is quite
Restless, not unhappy, but knowing that, that I could do
better. So this is something that that
keeps me driving and the drives me along, but of course not
everyone would have this attitude.
So yeah, you said during the next stage big difference.
Yeah. You're in the next stage.
For you, it's very normal. If you look at a 14 year old
kid, right? Troubled, kill doesn't get good.
Grades plays video games. All day doesn't work.
I have nothing. No ethics whatsoever.
You ask you tell this guy? Hey, be the best version of you.
Beautiful. Better version of me.
Will what version there is not know person.
Yes, guidance. Yeah, it takes kinds to certain
point, no, dad Nina with, we've almost reached the end and I
have something for my guests that You will you will answer a
question or I hope you will answer.
But I'm sure you would that my last last guest asked and the
guest who is asking the question.
Never knows, who is the next one on the show.
So bulky this morning, prepare the question.
And now I will read it to you. I'm curious on the answer and
after that I would be happy if you could ask the next question
for my next random guest. So this is poke his question.
Adina. Have you met him?
Do you know him poke dummies? What do you do?
Exactly. he he, he He's almost the opposite of you.
He's very silent on social media and but he was training like not
not rain, good or bad. He is he was working for the
have to read it Norwegian. People's Aid Training Center.
He was training a lot of mine. Mine detection dogs, it's okay
detection stuff. And yeah, they ship the dogs.
Around the world. And now he, collaborated with
Tobias. So, because Justin.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was at the ICP thing and I can order
from Norway and this is from Sweden, a from a, from student.
And bouquets from Bosnia, but, but they're both detection,
right? Yeah.
Mainly, yeah. Okay.
Alright. So yeah, I'm curious about the
question. So, I took notes, how many
breeds did he in this case? Did you work through the years?
And would you and you somehow already answered the questions,
and would you put them in different categories for how to
say, like a Malinois is not a Malinois?
Do you have the ability to see or work Malinois or a labrador
for a few minutes and realize, what the Helen's would be for
this, dog. Have you gained such a gut
feeling? Yeah, it's like or business?
Yeah. So it says, this is what I do
all the time. Is that is it when I travel I
get this, you know, I have to make assessments and, and of
course, you have to judge your assessment because, you know,
they're going to put you on the spot like because there's always
a limit to talking the talk at some point, they're going to
have to make you walk the walk and and seminar that wait wait.
Way to go in there and you have to walk every single walk
because these people have bring multiple breeds crazy.
Good. Bad worse.
Nervous. Afraid bolt aggressive.
It's you don't know. It's like the biggest surprise
ever it, go to an event. You always have this, you know,
imagination of how things are going to be.
It's always different. So it's kind of cool actually.
So but yeah, how many breeds that I work?
Then if I would include all those people giving me Was
Doc's. Countless, I don't know maybe 50
30, I don't know. Something like that.
That I've seen so many breeds that.
I, some of them, I can't even recall what they were.
So, but the majority majority would be Shepherds, of course
those are, the ones I've worked with most.
If you were sent, if you were sent to an island, not knowing
what expects you there, Loneliness or different tasks.
What dog would would would breed, would you take with you?
I was just I already had an evil thought I was thinking about a
very fat big dog, so if you're if I can't catch anything, maybe
I can, I can eat it. Yeah, yeah.
And adversity I've been told will be introduced to yourself
in ways you cannot imagine. So it look at the people that
expire the endless You know, so many years ago, I am sure that I
did not expect to eat the guy that was sitting next to them on
the plane. Yeah.
Right. Those are some of those things
so it but good question. So you will bring a Shar-Pei I
don't know, maybe that's all skin.
I don't know. That's cruel to say cuz like
that would be definitely the last thing I'd probably die
before I do it because I couldn't kill a chicken, to be
honest. Yeah.
So I just a joke actually. All right, Nina.
So, not knowing whom I would be interviewing next.
What's your question for the random guest?
Oh my question would be if you're on the mic.
And somebody's ask you questions.
So somebody's interviewing you what message do you want to
bring out? What is your what is it?
The one thing that you want people to remember that you
wanted to tell and I think in this case because I didn't, but
I told you I want an unscripted talk with you.
I don't want your questions. I don't want any of this.
I just want to talk to you and I think from this conversation,
you understand, I stand for certain things.
I believe in certain things and and I would ask the same thing
as like what do you stand for what you believe and what is the
message you want to bring to the, the dog trainers out there
that have invested their time and listening to you?
That would be my question. Great question and I'm already
curious on the answer. Yeah, yeah.
Let me know who's next. Yes, for sure.
For sure. I will let you know.
So since I'm doing this podcast in English and German, if it's
in German answer, I will translate it to you but I will
let you know for sure. If it's English, I will just
send you the link of the show. You know, we've reached the end
anything else to add. How can people reach out to You.
How can they, what would be the first step to enter your online
training program? What do you recommend what to
start with Paul? I would always say don't you
step into something that you don't know.
So I would say just look us up. Well it's always the same name,
YouTube, Facebook or even the website STS canine Google it ICS
Gainer.com if you want to see the website.
But if you just want to follow us first and then, see what
we're about to see what we do or see the previous videos.
YouTube USGS. K9, it's all going to be the
same and you'll see our students the way we work with them.
The energy we have. So and if you're attracted to
this, yeah, you can always, DM has because I like personal
contacts. Also, one of those things I like
people to reach out and ask questions before they just, you
know. Wow.
Let me just do this. I like matchmaking also,
especially like if it's in a coaching role so you can ask us
anything. Of course, you know, there's
limits of what we can answer if tomorrow.
And people would ask me a question.
It's that would be impossible to answer.
But yeah, you know, we try to answer as much as possible so I
would say yeah, just check it out.
See what you like if you're attracted to it.
Yeah. You can find this for coaching
training and instructions no problem because we've been going
through this a long time seeing how we can get the best possible
results and it's working. I have many, many students still
In the, in the queue to be on the spotlights of there are
getting better. So if I look at myself and I'm
looking back, how much time I need it?
I think a no I couldn't do this in six months, so, well that
means it's working. Obviously, there was something
that one of my first trainers told me, she wants us to become
faster better than she is now and I thought that's inspiring
and and very humble and she didn't try to hide.
I'd her experience in her knowledge is they just pass it
on and a. Yeah, thank you for sharing this
with us. Thanks for spending almost two
and a half hours with with the random guy from Austria, sharing
your thoughts, your standpoints? Yeah, it was a blast and yeah,
getting to know to you, a little little definitely was, was a
great thing to do. So.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Thank You for, you know, giving this conversation a platform.
So yeah, I'm always here if you need me, you want to talk again.
So for sure, for sure, if you find the time, we have a lot of
topics that we could. Yeah.
And oh, yeah, for sure. And yeah, maybe maybe sooner, or
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