1 00:00:30,730 --> 00:00:32,530 Off the top, some Patreon shout outs. 2 00:00:32,530 --> 00:00:35,250 We've got D bag. Yes. 3 00:00:35,490 --> 00:00:40,610 LM and Carrie Mayorello, those are some listeners who gave a 4 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:44,170 little bit extra on the Patreon. Thank you so much. 5 00:00:44,530 --> 00:00:47,810 You could sign up for that Patreon at $5 a month you get 6 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:52,040 weekly premium episodes. The last one covered all things 7 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,080 Jeffrey Epstein TPUSA Super Bowl show, which I'm sure will make 8 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,440 another appearance on next week's premium in the Katie 9 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,880 Miller podcast. Personal favorite of Mike and 10 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,880 mine. Also Trump going to the bathroom 11 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,080 in his pants. Oh yeah, did Trump shit himself? 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,440 Anyway, welcome back to posting through it. 13 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,760 You know what it is? I'm Jared Holt. 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,520 And I'm Michael Edison Hayden. And I'm Byron McCoy. 15 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,840 Today's episode is another installment in our Who the Hell 16 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,200 Biographical series, where we take a closer look at notable 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,360 figures associated with the online right. 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,680 You can scroll back in our feed to find previous installments. 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,120 We've covered everyone from Nick Fuentes to Candace Owens to Dave 20 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,680 Portnoy to Matt Taibbi to Bill Maher. 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,360 Today's subject is Steven Crowder, who is one of the 22 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,080 biggest podcasters in the conservative movement. 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,240 Certainly at his peak was arguably the biggest. 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,320 While he's not exactly a household name, he is undeniably 25 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:50,000 a big deal in right wing media. According to the metrics that 26 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,560 Crowder has shared, there have been days where his show has 27 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,960 been the most watched live stream online, including 28 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,000 Election Night 2024. Steven Crowder has two and a 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,080 half million followers on X, more than 3,000,000 followers on 30 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:10,000 Facebook, 1 1/2 on Instagram, 1.2 on True Social. 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,960 His podcast called Louder with Crowder bills itself as the 32 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,400 number one conservative Daily Show. 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,360 He has nearly 6,000,000 followers on YouTube and nearly 34 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,160 2 million followers on Rumble, an alternative video platform. 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,160 His podcast episodes regularly earn hundreds of thousands and 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,120 sometimes millions of views each. 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,320 So you getting the idea here? He's a fairly big deal, at least 38 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,120 in the world of conservative politics. 39 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,080 This episode will look at Crowder's rise to fame, seeking 40 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,640 to explain how a guy raised in Canada came to become one of the 41 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,880 most prolific right wing media personalities of the last decade 42 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,480 here in the US. We'll make stops along the way 43 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,520 to cover the personal and professional scandals that have 44 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,600 at points threatened to take his career, and we'll explain what 45 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,920 the deal is with the show he's made his name hosting. 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,640 Some points in this timeline are a little murky, but we've tried 47 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:09,360 our best to corroborate as much as we can in the process. 48 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,680 We sent requests for comment, requests for information for 49 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:17,920 media contacts available on Steven Crowder's website, and a 50 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,880 few other sources that you'll hear along the way. 51 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,320 We even invited Steven Crowder to sit down and chat with us 52 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,080 ahead of recording, but at the time we're taping this, we did 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,920 not receive a response. Joining us to help explain 54 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Crowder is Byron McCoy Co host the podcast Louder Than Crowder, 55 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,480 where he and his Co host actually sit down and watch his 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:47,120 content slop for the rest of us. We sure do Thanks Mike Jared so 57 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,600 much for having me on this show. Big fan of both of the the you 58 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,360 know, both of you, the work you do. 59 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,600 It was actually shitpost as well as QAA fever dreams rest in 60 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,400 peace. And of course the goats over 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,960 acknowledged fight that were very influential in me starting 62 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,760 this little program louder than Crowder, which of course is the 63 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,440 podcast about the podcast louder with Crowder. 64 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,480 But yeah, you're right, Steven is unexpectedly influential. 65 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,680 He's managed to keep his head down enough that he doesn't 66 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,120 become like the headline news story, but he remains, like you 67 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,720 said, one of the most popular, unfortunately right wing 68 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,840 conservative commentators that are out there. 69 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,720 Well, I mean, he's definitely he's he was better. 70 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,240 He's dipping a bit. But yeah, he's done this. 71 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:45,600 He's been able to kind of silo an audience of what he wishes 72 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,560 were young men between the ages of 16 and 30, but more likely 73 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,760 uncle aged and up very much like VFW hall folks. 74 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,560 Friends of his dad. We always like to say, you know, 75 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,040 claiming to both be an alternative to liberal late 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,520 night comedy shows as well as the only source for truthful 77 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,760 news. You know, after his show, he 78 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,920 suggests that you turn off the news and come back the next day 79 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,120 when he's on. That's the only media you should 80 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,680 be taking in. But. 81 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,080 What made you so interested in Steven Crowder? 82 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,480 Because as you know, you and I were working together doing the 83 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800 research for this episode. I I kept coming to the 84 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,920 impression that Steven Crowder is woefully under covered in the 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:37,120 press and like completely underappreciated for the star 86 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,880 that he is in conservative media. 87 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,600 I came to to Steven and kind of all of this, this, I guess, 88 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,480 genre of contents after the failed Hillary Clinton campaign 89 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,240 for presidency and I started digging into conservative 90 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,440 content to kind of understand how we could get to the place we 91 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,280 found ourselves in 2016. I was start out with Ben 92 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:05,040 Shapiro, tuned in to get off my lawn with Gavin McGinnis. 93 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,360 I listen to Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson, Milo Yiannopoulos. 94 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Even even early back before the Albo algo was as like tight as 95 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,720 it is now, my algo was fully cooked. 96 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Folks listening may have seen the change My mind videos pop up 97 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,840 on YouTube. They don't really do that so 98 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:25,600 much anymore, but I know that that's how I was introduced to 99 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,520 him back in 2017. It was the I'm pro gun changed 100 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,680 my mind. I, I wasn't terribly political 101 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,960 at the time and wasn't really educated in, you know, much of 102 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,240 this. I I was watching suggested 103 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,360 videos on a Friday night with friends and me being from 104 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Montana and having like veteran friends, one of the one of the 105 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,840 people I was hanging out with that night was a veteran. 106 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,360 I kind of got tricked by Steven. It's like, hey, this guy, he's 107 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,800 kind of level headed, you know, talking about gun culture. 108 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,200 And at the end he convinced people even to go register for 109 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,600 to to pick up a gun in a week later, he went shooting with 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,600 them. And I was like, who the hell is 111 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,920 this guy? He's not level headed. 112 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Spoiler alert guys. And I continue to take in 113 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Steven. And after some time yelling to 114 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,480 myself about his content, I started doing it into a 115 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,720 microphone, which has been a little bit more helpful. 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,360 So that's kind of my, my light little journey into this descent 117 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,360 into, yeah, Crowder, someone, I think he's been not covered as 118 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,120 much as he should be. For Full disclosure here, Jared, 119 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,120 just to say like you, you, you folks are experts in Crowder. 120 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,520 And I had my only experience with him has been just seeing 121 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,120 him seeing his stupid ass sitting in a chair as like a 122 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,400 meme. So I'm actually more 123 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,200 representative of the audience probably. 124 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,560 We're like, who is this? Who is this insufferable mother 125 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,920 fucker who is who is always making a smug face? 126 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,920 I'm, I'm here, I'm recovering from shingles and you know, I'm 127 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,280 trying. I'm doing my, I'm going to be 128 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,360 doing my best to fight through this and, and, and I'm looking 129 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,760 forward to being water boarded with Stevens. 130 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Incredible jokes. But the sales pitch like that, I 131 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,680 think it's time we start answering the big question, 132 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,960 which is who the hell? Who the hell? 133 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:28,280 Who the hell is Steven Crowder? It's July 7th, 1989. 134 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,200 The Grateful Dead plays a historic show in Philadelphia, 135 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,120 drawing more than 100,000 fans out to John F Kennedy Stadium 136 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,320 for the venue's last concert before it was shut down. 137 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,799 The first commercial Internet providers are starting to pop 138 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,080 up. Political revolutions are under 139 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,760 way in Eastern Europe. The world is irreversibly 140 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,600 changing. Far away Steven Crowder was born 141 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,240 in Detroit, MI, while the subject of today's episode was 142 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,800 born in the Motor City. His family moved to Montreal 143 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,920 when he was three years old. In other words, he grew up 144 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Canadian. Stevens childhood. 145 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,880 You know, we're drawing from a Daily Beast profile in 2013 for 146 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,560 a lot of this. Steven Crowder told the 147 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:15,840 publication at the time that his parents grew up religious but 148 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,040 weren't too observant before the birth of him and his older 149 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,160 brother Jordan. After that, he said his parents 150 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,080 recommitted to the faith as born again Christians. 151 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,160 Steven said his parents really stressed faith to him and his 152 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,000 brother, particularly when he came to sex. 153 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,360 He said he got the talk when he was just four years old because 154 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,520 they didn't want me to think about it as something that 155 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,040 couldn't be discussed, just something that is meant to be 156 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,240 between a husband and a wife. This will come back up later. 157 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:48,480 In school, Steven said he was often bullied. 158 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,880 He described himself as a comic book nerd and woefully 159 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,920 unathletic, which kind of explains his frustration with 160 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,960 any adaptation to comic book source material, things like 161 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:04,480 gender swap, sexuality or any ounce of androgyny or 162 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,040 asymmetrical haircuts, as well as his distaste for the big game 163 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,440 and his halftime and the halftime show Satanic rituals. 164 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,680 But yeah, he also, this is interesting, got really into 165 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:21,320 women swimming around 2022, which is interesting. 166 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,320 Weird timing there, huh? He told The Daily Beast that he 167 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,720 spent most of his childhood afraid, recalling the time he 168 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,920 walked away from a fight against a bully out of fear. 169 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,200 And it was that experience, he said, that led him into showbiz. 170 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,760 He didn't want to be afraid anymore. 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,440 So that's what we've got for his early childhood. 172 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,560 But at just 12 years old, Steven Crowder breaks into show 173 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,120 business. He lands a role voicing a 174 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,600 character named Alan Powers, AKA The Brain on the PBS children's 175 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,960 show Arthur. This voice acting gig is pretty 176 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,960 short lived, but it did get Stevens foot in the door of the 177 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,400 entertainment industry. It remains his most mainstream 178 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,000 credit to date. Also he I mean it was an early 179 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,040 meme like the the clenched fist meme that you see is is the the 180 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Brian powers AKA the brain clenching his fist. 181 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,320 So Oh yeah, before the The change my mind, Steven had that 182 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:27,000 early hit in Meme Meme world. He would though go on to have 183 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,240 minor roles in a handful of productions. 184 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,080 He also did a commercial for a Go, a yogurt and a tube, 185 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:35,840 basically the Canadian version of Go Gurt. 186 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,720 Did you finish the tubes? No. 187 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,960 Did you finish all the tubes? No. 188 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Dad, did you finish all the tubes? 189 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,480 So that he's the kid there. He's the kid running, running 190 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,240 around saying, hey, did you eat? Did you eat the yogurt in a 191 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,000 tube? And the commercial ends with the 192 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,840 dad kind of smiling at him and whatever. 193 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,160 I. I'm always fascinated by the the 194 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,880 child actor or psychology and how the different directions 195 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,160 that can go. I assume it's going to only go 196 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,560 in a good direction here. Clearly, Yeah. 197 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,720 That as as far as I know, is his first like on camera credit as a 198 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,160 child actor. But he he goes on to do, you 199 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,200 know, to have some credits in a couple small production films, 200 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,680 right, Byron? Yeah, I mean, his biggest film 201 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:30,040 credit was for this 2009 Christian drama called To Save a 202 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,040 Life. It's a story about a popular kid 203 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,000 who re evaluates his life after a friend commits suicide. 204 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,560 And it's such a kind of tonally bizarre film. 205 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,560 It's almost got like, Van Wilder energy until this kid comes into 206 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:49,240 a school with a gun and, like, publicly takes his life in the 207 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,800 hallway. And it bounces back and forth 208 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,920 between themes like that. You know, Steven, though, his 209 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,280 character is pretty much the Comic Relief. 210 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,160 He plays Doug Moore, and his nickname that's assigned to him 211 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,320 in that in that film is The Big Ugly, which we like to jokingly 212 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,400 call him from time to time on our program. 213 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,960 But yeah, he's he's kind of like the main character's douchey 214 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,960 friend. Where? 215 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Where's mine? Why? 216 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Don't you get your friend and get? 217 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,840 One for you. OK, you know I don't have a 218 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,040 girlfriend since you have no latte either. 219 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,920 She. Got you on that one, dude. 220 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Yeah, you know, your mom got me, OK? 221 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,680 She's an attractive woman. Your mom and I, we get along. 222 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:30,680 I'll talk to you about that later. 223 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,160 The Big Ugly has jokes saying something funny. 224 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,360 Call me the big ugly one more time, I'm going to kick your 225 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,000 ass. Sorry. 226 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,040 I'm sorry. Something dude, OK. 227 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,480 No, no hard feelings. You want to get out of here. 228 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,800 You know, I don't need much to skip gargulous. 229 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,720 The whole film is available on YouTube. 230 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,400 That Bad Boys got 38% on Rotten Tomatoes, which I shouldn't 231 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,720 qualifies qualifies as a stinker. 232 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Someone likes it. But Byron, you pointed us 233 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,000 towards this Q&A with the cast from the movie. 234 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,840 It doesn't seem like they're big fans of Steven. 235 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Jared, the vibes are bad. And the final cut? 236 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Doug was more of a jerk. Than funny, I know I came across 237 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,360 as much more unlikeable than kind of a wisenheimer. 238 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,600 I was like, I, I, I want to hit me. 239 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,720 So yeah, I I know I did. Go ahead, you have a nice. 240 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:30,160 No, we'll stop the tape so. So so his Co stars in the film 241 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,760 are just like, yeah, go ahead, just punch this motherfucker in 242 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,200 the face you. Know I don't think. 243 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,760 They're they're, they're joking around. 244 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:37,880 But what? What is it? 245 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Behind every joke is a grain of truth. 246 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Yeah, and most certainly there's no like good moments of, of, of 247 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,360 Doug, like on the cutting room floor. 248 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,360 There's absolutely no way that they would have made him that 249 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,520 unlikable if that wasn't him. So I I have trouble believing 250 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,040 that. So he starts doing stand up 251 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,160 comedy, if I have that correctly. 252 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,280 That's around the time when he starts picking up stand up 253 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,440 comedy and he actually finds a little success in it, which is 254 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,080 also, I think pretty rare for people who experiment with stand 255 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,400 up comedy. The early days are kind of 256 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,760 tough. He's been working on his stand 257 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,200 up career for a very long time. I think even before his role in 258 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,920 in To Save a Life, but he got his big break at just for laps 259 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,280 in Montreal, where in 2006 when he was only 18, and this is 260 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,840 true, he was the youngest comedian to ever perform at the 261 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,240 festival. And that's something that was 262 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,280 kind of significant because the youngest person before him was 263 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:41,440 actually Chris Rock, who is 19. So having performed there at 18 264 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,200 earned him quite a bit of attention. 265 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,720 It got him booked on XM radio shows, which that was a big deal 266 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,840 back then. That was like one of the major 267 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,360 ways that comedians were being found was on XM Satellite Radio. 268 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,320 And then he he claims to have toured across North America. 269 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,920 I don't have any information specifically stating dates that 270 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,000 he performed but. Yeah, I tried to find tour dates 271 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:12,480 and I spent so long trying to find some archived video 272 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:18,000 somewhere of like his comedy sets and I I found pages where 273 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,320 the videos used to exist, but no videos to be found. 274 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,840 It seems like a lot of that it got lost in the the dredge of 275 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,120 the Internet. But he had a promising start in 276 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,360 stand up, right? I mean, he went on and did more 277 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,960 stuff, right? This is huge. 278 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,920 Yeah. This is one that I was really 279 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,080 hoping that you would have been able to find because I've also 280 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,400 searched high and low for this. He went on to win the National 281 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,440 So You Think You're Funny Myspace comedy contest, which, 282 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Yeah, I, I haven't been able to find any footage. 283 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,800 You found something from 2008 Archived on his personal Myspace 284 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,040 page. Yeah, yeah. 285 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,240 I found an archive talking about of of his 2008 Myspace page and 286 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:06,119 the tagline he has on his profile is It's getting crowded 287 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,200 in here. I actually totally pause. 288 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,640 I'm going to. I'm going to be sick. 289 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,280 This is rough. This is more a success than like 290 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,680 most people that show up to an open mic night get you know, you 291 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,839 get to perform at one of the biggest comedy festivals in the 292 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:31,160 world, but especially Canada and people are saying your name next 293 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,560 to Chris Rock, right? So seems to be a pretty 294 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,120 promising start, but Stevens stand up career ends up being 295 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:44,200 pretty short in the end of it. But despite this Steven Crowder 296 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,720 like he makes this sort of short lived stint. 297 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,200 This like early early success in stand of comedy, a core part of 298 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,560 his identity, core part of his origin story. 299 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,280 But from everything I found it seems he just flamed out super 300 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,280 early. I mean, he, he on occasion we'll 301 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,400 do a quote UN quote stand up show. 302 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,880 I, I caught him not too far away from here, maybe 3-3 hours away 303 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,680 three years ago. I watched him perform. 304 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,840 I don't know what he was preparing to do with this. 305 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,560 It seems like he was going to do a stand up special. 306 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,680 But most of the jokes that weren't just kind of racist 307 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,160 observations of the town he was in were jokes that he had 308 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,800 performed when he was 19. I've I've compared shows that he 309 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,560 had when he was like underage, like not able to drink in clubs 310 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,320 in LA. And he was telling these jokes 311 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,680 as a full grown adult man in his mid 30s. 312 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,000 So. Playing the role of the audience 313 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,640 member who has never really encountered Crowder before. 314 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,280 Just in terms of looks, what he looks like, this is a guy who 315 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,840 kind of looks like a, like a, you know, an index finger turned 316 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,240 into a person. I don't know how to describe. 317 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,920 He just kind of like straight up and down white guy. 318 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,840 There's not much other way, other way to just to describe 319 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,800 him. He comes out on the stage. 320 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,760 What's the energy like on stage when Crowder comes out to to, 321 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,280 you know, rock the mic? And is the crowd very much there 322 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,960 to see him? Are they there to see other 323 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,960 people? I mean, it was electric, Mike. 324 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,720 It was, it was entirely electric. 325 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,440 I the time I saw him, the venue was in half capacity because we 326 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,280 were just coming out of COVID. This was the first time in a 327 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,520 while that I had went in public unmasked. 328 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,480 So that was really cool. I sat at a table because I went 329 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,880 by myself. No one would go with me. 330 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,600 Sat at a table with a nurse who was complaining about, you know, 331 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:39,520 limitations on her job and was talking about the Benny Johnson 332 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,320 podcast, which is pretty cool. Yeah. 333 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,160 I mean, vibes for the most part, they're not comedy fans. 334 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,640 They're just fans of his show. You know, the same thing could 335 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,240 be said when people go to, like, Joe Rogan stand up shows or even 336 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,160 Marc Maron. You know, these people are 337 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,560 comedians. But I think first and foremost, 338 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,000 at this point in their career, they're podcasters, so. 339 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,720 People do love the local racist jokes though, I'll tell you 340 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,880 that. Big fan, so that you're in that. 341 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,760 We'll get into some of that in a minute. 342 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,680 But closing up his early life around the time he's 18 years 343 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,280 old, he moves back to the US attends Champlain College in 344 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,520 Burlington, Vt. He drops out after two 345 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,800 semesters. But he will also cite this in 346 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,480 his origin story in his credentials being like, listen, 347 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,240 I attended 2 semesters at a College in Vermont and I took 348 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:38,480 some courses on journalism and media, like one O 1 courses 349 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,280 right? I it's weird credential to flex, 350 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,880 but whatever. I'm not sure exactly why he 351 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,800 dropped out of college, but I think it's possible he thought 352 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,600 he had a chance to make it big in show business. 353 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,480 I couldn't blame him if he dropped out because he wanted to 354 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520 chase that dream, but I don't know for sure. 355 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:06,000 I mean, I dropped out of college to be a touring post hardcore 356 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,120 singer if in a band for years, but and look at me now, everyone 357 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,160 here I am no one thing that I think before we jump away from 358 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,840 his early life that I don't know if we discussed is the role of 359 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,240 his dad. You you mentioned his father and 360 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,000 his mother became religious after the birth of his older 361 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,000 brother, but it was Darren Crowder who I think imprinted 362 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,280 his beliefs on Steven more than anyone else. 363 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,160 I think that also Darren was involved as his manager when he 364 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,640 got the roles that he did in, in film, you know, from the Arthur 365 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,520 role to to save a life to he did a movie. 366 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,160 Goodness gracious. What was it? 367 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:54,080 It's called 3 Needles, which had Chloe 70 and Lucy Liu in it, as 368 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,280 well as Sean Ashmore. He had a small role in that. 369 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,200 So like he had a chance to follow his dream like, and I 370 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,280 think it was, you know, because of his father, you know, kind of 371 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,120 supporting him in this, that he wanted to do it. 372 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,000 I think that a driving force of Steven Crowder's to make his dad 373 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,360 proud so. In a 2018 interview with Ben 374 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:16,720 Shapiro, Crowder said he has aspirations of being an 375 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,520 award-winning actor. Sorry, yeah, I got blindsided by 376 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,760 that. And if that didn't work, maybe 377 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,880 hosting a late night comedy show? 378 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,320 Oh my God, has anybody interested aside, has I ever 379 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,360 seen Todd Salon's film storytelling? 380 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:35,320 This is like the this is this is like Scooby the the main 381 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,160 character from that where he's just tells people he's going to 382 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,720 host a late night comedy show and everybody starts laughing at 383 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,640 him anyway. Adding it to my queue. 384 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Steven Crowder would never realize his dreams of making it 385 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,880 big in Hollywood. Why? 386 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,600 Why? You should have put spoiler 387 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,640 alerts in here. Instead, he pivoted to another 388 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,040 form of entertainment. Is it entertainment? 389 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:55,840 I don't know. What? 390 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,560 What do we call it? Political commentary? 391 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,840 Is that what we're going to say it is? 392 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,920 Polka with political commentary. So, political commentary in In 393 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,720 2009, Steven started uploading political commentary videos to 394 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,520 YouTube. You may be wondering Steven 395 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,680 seemed to have a fairly promising stand up comedy 396 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,000 career. Seemed to Why did he pivot into 397 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240 political commentary? Well, a 2009 installment of 398 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,280 Crowder's Lone Wolf Diaries offers us some clues. 399 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,520 You want to read this, Byron? Of course more than anything 400 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,680 when it comes to the entertainment industry there is 401 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,400 an unspoken policy no conservatives allowed. 402 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,400 Sure I can explain in graphic detail the grandeur of my 403 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,960 sexcapades. This is hypothetical of course 404 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,520 as my sex life is non existent. Or go off on an anti Christian 405 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,520 tirade. Too much applause. 406 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,840 If I were a Dame I would surely make do I have to come on? 407 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,240 I would surely make OK I. Got this. 408 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,880 You you signed up for the episode. 409 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,280 You got to ride the train. I would surely make insightful 410 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,800 remarks about my monthly cycle and the shortcomings of men in 411 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,520 the boudoir. All all too critical accolades. 412 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,760 Begin uttering the words Muslim terrorism sucks, however, and 413 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,000 you will literally begin to hear the sound of sphincters 414 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,520 puckering throughout your general vicinity. 415 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,800 He sure thinks a lot about sex for a guy who proclaimed at this 416 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,040 time to have no sex life. Yeah. 417 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,560 Also, he's listening so closely to the air for the hope of 418 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,440 hearing a sphincter bucker, which that's a that's a weird 419 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,680 mental image that he's got. He's he's kind of jam crammed 420 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000 into something that doesn't have anything to do with asses. 421 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,640 You, you don't do that, Mike. I know like whenever I'm on the 422 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,960 bus or whatever I my ears are tuned sharp. 423 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,800 If you know, you know, I'm, I'm not shy of freaky, freaky 424 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,840 thoughts, but I just, I just find, you know, possibly because 425 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,320 of that, I'm able to to get a little bit of a red flag. 426 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,400 The better fact that he's like looking in the room and thinking 427 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,520 about sphincters. So his YouTube videos at first 428 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,480 are kind of formulaic. They're all a few minutes long 429 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,000 and he's uploading them every Thursday. 430 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:16,200 And some of these are just brutal, brutal cringe. 431 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,560 I'm going to play a clip from the first video he uploaded 432 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:28,440 titled Go Team Israel featuring Obama's moobs, man boobs. 433 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,480 But then Byron, I, I want you to just tell us a little bit about 434 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,640 these early uploads a lot. Of people have been siding with 435 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,760 Palestine, there's a lot of anti-Semitism going on. 436 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,440 Some people are like, well, you know, the only reason it's like 437 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,600 this is because Israel oppresses them. 438 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,080 OK, let's assume for a minute that that's true. 439 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,320 All right, Why doesn't Palestine just oppress Israel then? 440 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,640 Well, because they can't. And why is that? 441 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Well, because they don't have the power, the technology to do 442 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,000 so. Why is that? 443 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,640 Because, because Because. And then her head explodes. 444 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,640 I know you wouldn't expect it, but actually some craniums have 445 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,280 exploded in this thought process. 446 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,200 It's a scientific fact. My craniums, they're right. 447 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,200 I mean a lot of these other countries are living in the dark 448 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,080 ages, but we have to ask why is that? 449 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,840 Israel has arguably the best military Intel in the world. 450 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,880 They crap in sand dunes. Israel has a high quality of 451 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,520 living and is often at the forefront of modern technology 452 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,640 they sell. Rugs. 453 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,680 Why do you think that is? Yeah. 454 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Fucking you're the one Arab guy in the show. 455 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,680 Trigger, trigger warning, man, I'm a little tired with the with 456 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,960 the fucking shingles. So but I will get up and I'll 457 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,920 throw some hands over that. What do you fucking talk? 458 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,960 Who the fucking shit in Dunes, motherfucker? 459 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,000 This dumb kid, Yeah, sitting on on YouTube. 460 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,640 It's not very subtle. No. 461 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,080 And honestly, yeah, I mean, that's that's that could be the 462 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,040 theme of this. Yeah. 463 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,120 No, you tell me to to describe things like the dark Pelosi with 464 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,640 water boring boarding the Obama song. 465 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,440 I gots a Peace Prize, which I I think was the one that really 466 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,600 broke through the mainstream. These are all kind of formulaic 467 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,040 of the time YouTube videos, you know, kind of mimicking the 468 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,800 style of early influencers like Jenna Marbles or Smosh or Shane 469 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:39,880 Dawson, but bringing to the table kind of the crass, frankly 470 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,920 gross political beliefs that he's talking about at the dinner 471 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,960 table at his house. So it's, I think it's surprising 472 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,640 to him that it that it wasn't more successful because he puts 473 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,040 a lot of effort into this being very much of the time and like 474 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,160 puts a lot of time into thinking about YouTube as a platform 475 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,800 which, you know, eventually follows him to where he ends up. 476 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,040 But. I want to inject one other point 477 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280 that I think might be useful contacts for people who are 478 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,920 listening and regularly listen to our show. 479 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,560 You might be like shocked at like how you know, slavishly he 480 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,960 lathers up Israel here because things have changed pretty 481 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080 radically in that like, yeah, the the, the, the, the populist 482 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,480 right has become much more openly anti-Semitic And those 483 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,160 those kind of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories have become 484 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,040 really dominant on the right and kind of held off almost at this 485 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,080 point only by Trump himself. They're really, really growing. 486 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920 It's almost hard to imagine someone doing something like 487 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,120 this now. This is what you what you do 488 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,320 this now online and he would have been hounded by people 489 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,160 being like good goy or whatever, like good goy behavior, good goy 490 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,120 content or whatever, good goy slop. 491 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,680 I mean, it's, it is a, it is a thing of its time. 492 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Yeah, yeah. And this kind of Islamophobia, 493 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,000 you know, just open, you know, racism towards Arab people is 494 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,600 also very of the time. And I don't say that to write 495 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,520 Stephen a blank check and like let him off the hook here, but 496 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,120 also contacts for that. I do want to say, of all the 497 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,400 early videos I watched, the best 1 is where he's walking around 498 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,960 sticking a microphone in people's faces and asking them 499 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,080 questions about Joe Biden while dressed up as a cartoon bear. 500 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,760 A Big Bear. Yeah, he's doing man on the 501 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520 street interviews asking people who Joe Biden was, and I 502 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400 guarantee you he didn't just publish absolutely every one of 503 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,240 those and kept everything in full context, right? 504 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,520 You didn't just approach people dressed as a bear to confuse 505 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,080 them on the street and then only publish the dumbest takes or 506 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,520 most confused or I guess dismissive takes, right? 507 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,760 Do if a bear walked up to me, a guy dressed as a bear walked up 508 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,480 to me and started asking me about politics, I would feel a 509 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,280 responsibility to just unload the stupidest shit in my head 510 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,120 just like that. The dumbest passing thought I've 511 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,040 had while like taking a shit and just give it to the bear the 512 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,880 bear craves. There's also the there's also 513 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,040 the Nick, Nick Shirley angle to this also, where it's just if 514 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,320 somebody comes up to you in that context, in any weird context 515 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,720 and puts a microphone in your face, you're like, Oh my God, 516 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,440 it's a pedophile. I better get out of here. 517 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,600 And don't, don't forget that there's there's two bodyguards 518 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,760 behind the camera in, in face masks and stuff like that. 519 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Yeah. Normal shit. 520 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,680 Really cool normal stuff and I'm feel feel comfortable talking 521 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520 about children in a daycare with you. 522 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,080 How benevolence, Benevolence. Amazing. 523 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160 The brightest minds give that. Give that kid a Pulitzer Prize. 524 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120 Anyway, back to Steven. He's still trying to find 525 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,320 something to do with his stand up at this time, but it changes 526 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,560 quite a bit. He's got a new target audience. 527 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,720 Tell me about this. Yeah, I mean, around this time 528 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,200 he starts doing stand up for tea party events and I believe we 529 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,760 have a couple examples. Are you going to play some of 530 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,080 these, Jared? Yeah, yeah, We have some clips. 531 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,880 Let's let's listen to Steven Crowder's stand up. 532 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:24,120 This first one is from 2009, I believe, to the Tea Party rally. 533 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,160 He's some of the entertainment. Weather the scorching he give it 534 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,400 to yourselves right now for stand out here for the cause. 535 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,880 You guys stick it through man. And you know what that means The 536 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,800 global warming alarmists are out in flock seeing these people. 537 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,720 They're like have you been outside? 538 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,240 It's sunny and warm and it's not even mid-july proof of global 539 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,720 warming for you. We had a different word for it 540 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,640 as a kid. What was it? 541 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,120 Oh yeah, summer. Boom. 542 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,520 I have a friend who's actually, they're militant 543 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,720 environmentalists out here right now. 544 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,280 We got the cap and trade tax. Yeah, let's cheer for the cap 545 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,280 and trade tax. All right? 546 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,480 Relax. I didn't pass it OK. 547 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Awesome. You are correct, Sir, Yes. 548 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,320 This just really good shit. And and this is an audio 549 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,800 podcast, but in these videos, the camera crew keeps cutting to 550 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,880 the audience to get their reactions. 551 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,160 And I told Byron and Mike before we were recording, the people in 552 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,120 this crowd are like the oldest people I've ever seen. 553 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,240 Which tracks for a tea party rally around this time. 554 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,440 This next clip is from Tea Con Midwest. 555 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,440 This is a couple years later, but it's another example of the 556 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,160 kind of comedy he was doing for Tea Party activists. 557 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,160 And the media, though, they have a they, they like Obama, they 558 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,480 like this guy. I don't want to say the media 559 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000 has a toward love affair with Barack Obama or even if Brian 560 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,800 Williams wants to be his girlfriend, but. 561 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,920 Do you guys get it? The punchline is that he's gay. 562 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,880 Oh, huh, it. Feels like there are multiple 563 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,400 angles to try to get Barack Obama to be gay. 564 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,000 There was the story about him smoking crack in the limousine. 565 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,040 That was like. Yeah, that was like the pseudo 566 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,920 journalistic 1. And then there would be like, so 567 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,760 many people want to have gay sex with Obama, like in the comedian 568 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,560 style, where there's just a different ways to try to make 569 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160 him gay. Yeah, and when that didn't work, 570 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,200 they were like, well, maybe his wife's secretly a man. 571 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,880 Maybe his wife's a guy. Let's let's, let's, let's pitch 572 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,280 that one, Yeah. And that one's sticking around. 573 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,520 There's no way that guy's straight. 574 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,120 The problem solved. How it is say. 575 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,080 Let's listen to a little more of this. 576 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,240 I mean, you had to name this guy the sexiest man in America. 577 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,160 Barack Obama by People magazine. Really. 578 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,160 The sex man in America. But you give that to Hugh 579 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,360 Jackman, not the guy who looks like the photo negative of 580 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:57,720 Alfred Newman, okay? I think it's interesting. 581 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,720 Even people in the crowd are like, oh. 582 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000 Yeah, that was that was. Don't know about that one. 583 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,320 Do you like 1 style of making a joke or even a statement or 584 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,320 doing anything is to definitely don't find someone who is like 585 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,520 objectively more attractive than you and be like, what's up with 586 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,440 everybody finding this person so hot? 587 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,679 I mean, really right. I mean, can you, Can you believe 588 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,560 this? Can you believe that actor 589 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,880 Michael B Jordan is like, what? What on earth are these women 590 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,600 thinking? Are they out of their fucking 591 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,639 minds? Am I right? 592 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,400 Who's got some laughs, right? You know, it's just really, it 593 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,639 doesn't really work very well when you're Steven Crowder 594 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,120 talking about talking about Barack Obama. 595 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,760 I don't know, the sexuality obsession is kind of a bizarre 596 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,239 thing that the right has anyway. I mean, you notice that when Don 597 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,360 Lemon got arrested at the comment sections on pretty much 598 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,199 absolutely everything, focus on his sexuality and what's 599 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:55,719 happening to him in prison. In their heads, you know they're 600 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,640 obsessed with the junk. Can't get it out. 601 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,440 Even if you were thinking, well, you give Steven the benefit of 602 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,400 the doubt here, like sure, he's making these videos, but and 603 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,240 he's pursuing stand up, but I just want to play this clip 604 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,840 winding the clock back again a couple years to a tea Party 605 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,960 rally in Dallas. Just to be clear that Steven 606 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,080 Crowder is all about the Tea Party movement. 607 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,520 The. Dallas Tea Party. 608 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:34,600 Come on everybody. Not that little Elvin, Harry 609 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,240 Reid, not John Penn. These people. 610 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,800 God Bless America. It's a mic drop at the end. 611 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,840 He didn't pick that up. God Bless America, Mic Drop. 612 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,000 Yeah, sometimes you got to do it. 613 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:55,440 So he gets noticed by Pyjama Media, now called PJ Media and 614 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,160 owned by Salem Media Group. Are they still kicking around, 615 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,840 by the way? And Breitbart News and Files 616 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,520 video columns under their big Hollywood vertical. 617 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,560 Most of the posts appear to be aggregating his YouTube videos, 618 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,200 but there's some occasional blog in the mix there too. 619 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,440 The first few with 2009 datelines are titled Getting 620 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,840 Louder with Crowder. I guess they found a rhyme, 621 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,680 right? So. 622 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520 Yeah, yeah. That would go on to be the name 623 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,080 of his podcast, right? So I was a little unclear 624 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,280 exactly on the timeline of Steven Crowder's early work in 625 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,960 right wing media. I reached out to some folks, 626 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,840 including Steven's team. I reached out to Breitbart. 627 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,400 I reached out to a handful of different folks. 628 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,920 Organizations didn't get a lot of useful information back. 629 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,320 But here is the timeline, the best I could figure out with all 630 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,440 of that in mind. So in January 2009, his first 631 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,080 Breitbart article appears with his byline. 632 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,440 The point of the article is just to promote the second video on 633 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,840 his YouTube channel. I am curious how he got plugged 634 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,400 into Breitbart so early. I don't know if Breitbart had a 635 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,480 like unpaid contributor systems similar to Huffington Post at 636 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,800 the time, right? Like if he could just sign up 637 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,360 and like fill out a couple forms and be able to post on Breitbart 638 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,320 or if he was chosen and that sort of thing. 639 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,560 I didn't get any clarity on that from Breitbart when I reached 640 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,120 out. So there's kind of like two 641 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,160 things he is posting on Breitbart, short little articles 642 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,840 to promote his YouTube videos, which he calls video columns and 643 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,920 written columns of blogs, I guess in a series called Lone 644 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,800 Wolf Diaries in June 2009, the first video on his YouTube 645 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,120 channel with a pyjama media, PJTV, their sort of video 646 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,720 offshoot at the time, a watermark for that brand is on 647 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:06,000 there. That video was of him 648 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,200 impersonating Keith Olbermann on MSNBC and having a fake argument 649 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,480 with him doing a a parody or like fake. 650 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,040 Like if they had had me on TV, that's this is what I would have 651 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,480 said kind of thing. Would later credit PJTV and I 652 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,520 guess whatever compensation he was getting for these for being 653 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,840 able to up the production value of his videos. 654 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:34,240 In October 2010, the PJTV watermark is swapped out for a 655 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,040 watermark for a non profit called the National Center for 656 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,000 Public Policy Research. In a 2023 newsletter of theirs I 657 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,440 came across that described itself as a quote communications 658 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,040 and Research Foundation supportive of a strong National 659 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,960 Defense and dedicated to providing free market solutions 660 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,360 to today's public policy problems. 661 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,640 There's some good old Washington DC mumbo jumbo shit. 662 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,400 I'm not sure why this is missing in most of the biographies 663 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,760 you'll find online from Steven because the title card says 664 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,040 louder with Crowder sponsored by National Center. 665 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,840 I reached out to National Center to ask about this and the 666 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,360 spokesperson who responded to me had no idea what I was talking 667 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,360 about or asking about was like, we don't partner or like sponsor 668 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,960 anything. And I was like, well, here's a 669 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,400 post on your website from the time that says Steven had, 670 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,640 quote, completed 18 videos with the nonprofit, which I thought 671 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,320 was kind of a strange choice of word. 672 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,320 It makes me wonder if there was a program or, you know, what 673 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,640 that rate arrangement was like. But we'll just put that as a 674 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,560 footnote here afterwards. This videos are sponsored by 675 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,040 Liberty Alliance, which was a media company spun up in the 676 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,760 remnants of the Tea Party movement. 677 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,600 That doesn't seem to last too long. 678 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,680 That website, as far as I can tell, doesn't exist anymore. 679 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,560 But most importantly, during this time, he also gets the 680 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,360 attention of Fox News, and that offers him a paid contributor 681 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,800 contract. That's like kind of a big deal. 682 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440 I think wasn't he also one of the youngest contributors at 683 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,160 that point? Well, I mean, if he's under, if 684 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,200 he's under 55, like, yeah, anyway, he starts appearing on 685 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,680 shows like Hannity and Red Eye, etcetera. 686 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Specifically on Red Eye in 2010, Amy Schumer famously questioned 687 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,480 whether he should even call himself a comedian. 688 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,680 My point by saying that, you know, you don't think it should 689 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,720 be used as a bargaining tool. I mean, as far as the kind of 690 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,240 point of the column is that abstinence is the one taboo 691 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:42,960 issue regarding sex. I mean, it's like, oh, it'll be 692 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,520 a dirty stand up comic. You're cracking new ground 693 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,000 there, Copernicus. But once you talk about 694 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,840 abstinence, everyone all of a sudden they put you like, right 695 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,400 now we have to talk about it, 'cause who is this kid who's 696 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,600 talking about abstinence? Who you know. 697 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,920 Well, it's who's this kid who's. You know, 23 you don't know who 698 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,960 you're gonna be sexually yet, so to talk about it with such 699 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,800 authority and arrogance, I. Don't know who I'm gonna be. 700 00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,840 What? You don't know who you're gonna 701 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,560 be sexually yet. You're gonna be into really 702 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,960 weird things in about a decade. Oh. 703 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,120 I have no doubt, I have no doubt. 704 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,280 Trust me. And The thing is it. 705 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,440 Doesn't there should be no. But there should be no 706 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,280 confidence there there. And you know, you slip by the 707 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,680 The Dirty comedian thing, but honestly, you call yourself a 708 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,320 comedian, but you don't do it that much. 709 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,560 Like I go fishing a couple times a year, but I don't introduce 710 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,440 myself on TV as a fisherman. Wow. 711 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,160 Is this not really personal for a concept about abstinence? 712 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,200 I'm saying the whole point is that there's. 713 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,200 No, wow, he's right. You could tell it really seems 714 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,000 to catch him off guard too. He he seems a little upset by 715 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,280 it. He's hurt by that. 716 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,240 I feel like at this point, he's, he's been in a, you know, in 717 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,040 safer territory with not as much pushback. 718 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,720 He's kind of been doing everything again from behind the 719 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,600 screen or, you know, in safe territory. 720 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,280 But Speaking of behind the screen, she's referencing some 721 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,160 columns that he'd done recently as a contributor for Fox about 722 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560 abstinence. And this is all in his kind of 723 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,520 trademark flowery, overwritten style. 724 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,640 Women are all dames, that kind of stuff. 725 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,000 Those are no longer available on the Fox News website. 726 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,800 They are definitely on the Wayback Machine though and are 727 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,760 very fun to read if you ever get the chance. 728 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,080 Going to my head I like could not buy line a piece like this. 729 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,960 Oh, it's a nightmare. We we we covered it all on the 730 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,440 on the podcast and it was a very painful thing to read his style 731 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,200 very much Tumblr era. But like, I don't know, bro 732 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,680 culture. It's just like some weird blend 733 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,920 of that. It's terrible. 734 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,200 And at Fox, I mean, no one really liked him. 735 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,160 And I'm not surprised. The lovely and talented Victoria 736 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,080 Burger released some DMS that he said he received from the from 737 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,040 from Gutfeld, who you heard in that red eye clip from 2017 in 738 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,160 which Greg said that he once saw Crowder sitting cross legged at 739 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,920 a bar and ordering milk. Yeah, not even chocolate milk. 740 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,920 No flavor in the milk. Just just a glass of milk cross 741 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,200 legged on the floor of a bar. He he says that Crowder calls 742 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,120 himself Gutfeld, that is, says that Crowder calls himself a 743 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,400 comedian but never performs. Suggests that Crowder has quote 744 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,840 issues with his sexuality and claims everyone at Fox News 745 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,560 hates working with him. Thick Burgers an amazing 746 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,200 satirist, but we reached out to him to make sure that those 747 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,560 screenshots of messages he received from Greg Gutfeld were 748 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:38,040 legit and not, you know, a bit. And he said they are 100% real. 749 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480 Love that. With exclamation points. 750 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,840 That's a Victoria guarantee, and Victoria is definitely going to 751 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,960 make a cameo and we when Mike Sternovich gets to Who the hell 752 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,360 is treatment? Oh, absolutely. 753 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,000 Around this time our boy Crowder is doing speaking circuit 754 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,640 circuit on college campuses. The College Republican Club 755 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,360 invited him to speak and he went to do right wing stand up and 756 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,000 discussion. There are some light There's 757 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,440 some light coverage in university student papers of 758 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,840 this and the reviews are lackluster. 759 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,440 Seems most people found him kind of annoying and thought his 760 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,680 comedy was too obviously pushing conservative talking points. 761 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,440 Always a huge shock there. Yeah, yeah. 762 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Well, that's the thing we've talked about on prior episodes, 763 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,720 you know, where, you know, they're like, why aren't there 764 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,640 any conservative comedians or right wing comedians? 765 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,800 Or we talked about it, I think in the context of Dave Rubin 766 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,080 maybe. He got a little mini one on our 767 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,280 premium, yeah. It's like these people are 768 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,400 trying to be funny, but there's like so ideological that it 769 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,320 makes it not funny, right? You, you have to be like kind of 770 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,960 light hearted. Otherwise, you're just like, you 771 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,320 know, formatting your political rant with the occasional 772 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,880 punchline. Yeah, you can't directly 773 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,120 reference policy in your your stand up bits. 774 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,960 I just don't think it works unless you're on, you know, at I 775 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,720 think where he was on C-SPAN, there's a great clip of him that 776 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,680 the polls where he's wearing a a turquoise sweater with a polo 777 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,760 shirt underneath. But yeah, the same with Midwest 778 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,960 Tcon, like, he wasn't even really killing there. 779 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,240 And he thinks that he can take that to a college campus and not 780 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:25,080 be seen as boring and pushing conservative talking points. 781 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,000 Yeah, I I wouldn't be surprised to read that review. 782 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,800 If all your talking points are about just like what's on Fox 783 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,040 News and being like Muslims, am I right? 784 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,040 College kids are going to be like, huh, What? 785 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,520 I mean, maybe less so now that everybody's like, wired into 786 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,080 social media. But around that time, I mean, I 787 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,280 just can't imagine this landed very well. 788 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,000 No, this is Dane Cook era. Like someone's you've got to be 789 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,600 splashing water in your face and making yourself look like an 790 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,440 alien from the Alien films. Yeah, you've got to fart into 791 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,080 the microphone. That's what they created. 792 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,360 That's funny. Honestly, it always works. 793 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,600 Jumping up to 2012 now, he's still a Fox News contributor. 794 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,480 And this is around the time I first heard about Steven 795 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,880 Crowder. But I'm like, a sick degenerate 796 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,000 when it comes to politics. And, like, I've spent most of my 797 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,520 life staring into the void. Tell us about what happens with 798 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,520 Crowder. Oh, I mean, this is just when 799 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,040 Crowder absolutely gets his shit rocked by a guy at a union 800 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,280 protest in Michigan. Definitely one of the, you know, 801 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,000 moments where he broke through, at least in main mainstream, you 802 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,640 know, political coverage. I guess it's. 803 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,440 Also viral on Twitter in a sort of non partisan way. 804 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,120 Like just it was just everywhere. 805 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,400 Oh, absolutely. I was going to say kind of like 806 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,440 Richard Spencer getting punched, but that is certainly partisan 807 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120 and delightful. Still to watch to this day. 808 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000 Showing off that frog pin. I love it. 809 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,440 It's a Pepe. But yeah, Crowder, he, he edits 810 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,600 this pretty deceptively and puts it up on YouTube and it gets 811 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,040 picked up by his good old friends at Fox News where he was 812 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,440 still a contributor. Apparently he was there with 813 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,040 Americans for Prosperity, which is the the Koch affiliated 814 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960 libertarian conservative political advocacy group. 815 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,320 But eventually, the unedited footage of this confrontation, 816 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,080 it pointed more towards Steven or his aggressive behavior may 817 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,840 have instigated the altercation, leading the local prosecutor to 818 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,560 decline pressing charges against the union member. 819 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,280 And people like Sam Cedar at the Majority Report and Cenk at The 820 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,640 Young Turks really did celebrate this moment and kind of blew it 821 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,200 up. Like, I think I think that 822 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,240 beyond the, you know, the clips airing on Fox News, it was 823 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,800 really the the new progressive media that really brought the 824 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,040 attention to this moment at the time. 825 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,240 And it was pretty delightful. Let's keep going, Mike. 826 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,760 Tell me about what happens in 2012. 827 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,480 So he does a parody rap song at C pack in a breakout room that 828 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,520 includes AI. Don't know how to describe this 829 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,200 but exactly I mean he. So from my point of view he just 830 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,960 says the N word but it designs it to be like a fake out of 831 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,520 saying the N word right? That's the way it seems to be 832 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,880 designed. But when I hear it, it just 833 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,200 seems like he's gleefully saying the N word so. 834 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,840 Yeah, the the lyrics that you're hearing are. 835 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,200 Yeah, but right now you're high. Ain't you a big hitter? 836 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,960 But I'm back from the dead now, bringing back all my knickers 837 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,760 like the pants. It's a fake out on the inward. 838 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:49,440 But we'll listen to the clip. I normally would not play a clip 839 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,000 like this with with a racial slur, but Steven insists that 840 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,960 it's not. I'll let the listeners decide. 841 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,320 Yeah, that lands him in a lot of hot water. 842 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,240 Well, you know, what's interesting about that is it has 843 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,040 some laughs. Like there's some laughter 844 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,680 there, but like there is this thing when when I mean, you'll 845 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,120 notice like there is some like weird laughter that happens when 846 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,600 Michael Richards and Kramer like kind of yells the N word. 847 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,800 Because when people when people get feel uncomfortable, they 848 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,840 also laugh, right? Like people just just don't know 849 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,360 what to do. And you're in a setting where 850 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,080 you're supposed to laugh. And I, in those laughs, have 851 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,360 that feel like they have a little bit of a nervous high 852 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,200 pitch like. And it's not very many laughs. 853 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,840 It's just like one lady. I I do have to say this is 854 00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,240 probably like the craziest CPAC breakout room I've ever seen. 855 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,200 I've gone to that. I've gone to that conference 856 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,680 like a gazillion times. And most of the time these 857 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,880 breakout panels are like, they'll just put you to sleep. 858 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,640 Yeah. Anyway, Crowder responded to the 859 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,600 controversy in Huffington Post, Which as I mentioned earlier, 860 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,400 was a news publication but also a blogging platform at that 861 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,120 time, so he could have bylined something for Huffington Post 862 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,680 despite being conservative. Mike, do you want to read what 863 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:31,360 he wrote in Huffington Post? How he defended this stunt at C 864 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,680 PAC. The verse was used to point out 865 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,200 the hyper PC disingenuous liberals today seek for a reason 866 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,200 to be offended under every rock. Then he claims that writers who 867 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,760 pointed out the song had an N word joke in it were engaging in 868 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,280 quote character assassination. So that's the headline about 869 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,840 him, but it doesn't set him back too far because the next year 870 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,120 he's tapped to MC the mainstage at C Pack. 871 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,600 Later that year, in 2013, he wound up getting canned from his 872 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,200 Fox News gig after he went on a podcast and started bitching 873 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,400 about doing business with the network, trying to negotiate 874 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,680 contracts with them and pretty explicitly criticizing Sean 875 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,640 Hannity, who he said let liberal guests on his show just plow 876 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,880 right over him. And from the DMS that Greg 877 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,960 Gutfeld said sent Victoria Burger, you know, is supposedly 878 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,880 with people at the network not really liking him very much, 879 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,880 seemed like that was enough for his Fox News chapter to come to 880 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,960 a close. This is the end of a contract 881 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,600 that he negotiated with the help of Ben Shapiro. 882 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,800 Actually, Ben Shapiro was his entertainment lawyer. 883 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,960 That's how they first met, which is kind of a bizarre little 884 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,800 coincidence, but I would imagine that this was not the advice 885 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,960 that, you know, Ben would have given in terms of negotiating a 886 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,760 contract. It seems like he well, and we'll 887 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,000 talk a little bit later about his techniques in that as well. 888 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,480 He's not great at it. Spoiler. 889 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:10,960 So that's most of Stevens early life and career that we could 890 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,280 corroborate and and find. Child actor in Canada. 891 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,600 Early stand up comic ends up, you know, kind of flaming out 892 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,680 pretty quick and taking a political bend. 893 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:29,320 Got PJ Media, Breitbart, Fox News, and then a pretty 894 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,520 unceremonious firing from Fox News. 895 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,120 You know, before we go on to the next era of Steven Crowder's 896 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,000 career, which would end up being sort of the defining one for 897 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,840 him. Just curious if you guys have 898 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,000 any thoughts. I just think that's what you get 899 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,600 for ordering milk at a bar. You know, you get fired, you 900 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,680 lose your career and you go back to the blue sheet. 901 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,240 You're now a YouTube again. I think, I think my primary 902 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,760 thought is not a particularly sophisticated 1 is he doesn't 903 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,640 seem very funny. And it really is a reminder that 904 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,800 if you're a comedian, you don't have the goods. 905 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:10,680 This type of political stuff is waiting for you there as a fall 906 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:11,920 back. And it seems like there are a 907 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,280 lot of cases like that. There's even some cases on the 908 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,080 left. And he's just not funny, man. 909 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,320 We're now entering the Louder with Crowder era. 910 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,120 So after Fox News, there's a period in Stevens career that 911 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,040 even after researching and trying to ask around, still 912 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,160 remains pretty unclear to me. There's this span, you know, 913 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:50,880 between late 2013 and sort of the fall of 2014 where Steven 914 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,840 still uploading YouTube videos. He's pulling some views. 915 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,640 I'm not sure it would have been enough for him to make a living. 916 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,960 He's got these occasional speaking gigs at Republican 917 00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,640 clubs and college campuses. But again, I'm pretty murky 918 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,760 about, like, what is happening in this period of his life. 919 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,560 But September 2014, he gets his next break after Fox News. 920 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,760 Tell me about that Byron, because this is where his 921 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,000 flagship show Louder with Crowder would begin. 922 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:27,440 Yeah, you could call it a break. It is a 6:00 AM to 9:00 AM slot 923 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:33,320 on a an AM radio station in Ann Arbor, MI called WAAM Wham Talk 924 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,080 1600. I mean, it's the drive time. 925 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,720 It's the drive time slot to be fair, but it is AM radio in 926 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:44,160 2014. Yeah, so you're right. 927 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,840 I mean, I, I guess the, the owners of the station must have 928 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,640 liked them. He must have charmed someone. 929 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,520 Yeah. This this show, it marks kind of 930 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,520 his return to regular broadcasting. 931 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,520 He is no longer just exclusively a YouTube. 932 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,600 And I should say it was great of you to point out, Jared, that. 933 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,680 I mean, I don't know what he was doing necessarily to financially 934 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,760 sustain himself because he was now married at this point. 935 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,040 And I don't know exactly. Yeah, how he could have been 936 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,360 supporting himself. Maybe he was living with his 937 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,600 father, who knows. But really stiff at the 938 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,920 beginning, these early shows, he's got that kind of novice 939 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,720 novelty radio voice. Really important. 940 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,560 Yeah. All of his, his interviews, what 941 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,880 she somehow landed. What are you talking about? 942 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,880 All right, Mike, I wouldn't. I would never dare say that 943 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,200 about you. I don't like what you're 944 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,040 insinuating about the Posting through It podcast. 945 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,080 When we come back from the break and then you're yeah, fade out 946 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,760 to music. Oh my God, you should hear. 947 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,360 I don't know if you've heard any of the the 1st 30 episodes. 948 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:50,240 Not only did they go in and out of segments with Weezer tracks 949 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:55,200 for the most part, big Weezer fan back then, Steven was Foo 950 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,400 Fighters, things like that. But he was also Co hosted by a 951 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,720 guy that worked at Wham, A gentleman named Dan and went by 952 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:05,240 Fun Dip. His last name is Martin. 953 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,760 And yeah, I've, I've tried several times to get in touch 954 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,760 with Dan in several different ways, some more direct than 955 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,920 others, leaving comments on his really, honestly informative 956 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,840 videos. He's a big Beatles fan. 957 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,640 He loves vintage stereo systems and record players loves playing 958 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,200 the bass clearly fun dip. They called the base man fun dip 959 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:34,000 Dan, but I reached out to him directly finally for comments 960 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,400 about, you know, getting an interview with him under my my 961 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,000 podcast network e-mail audio wool and he replied, I'm sorry. 962 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,880 I want nothing to do with Crowder, ever, Dan. 963 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,080 Interesting. Yeah, I, I, I didn't want to pry 964 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,440 too much more after that because it sounds very clear that he's 965 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,280 uninterested and that that break was not necessarily a good one 966 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,360 that he was anticipating. He still is a ADJ at that same 967 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,800 radio station, though, playing, playing the hits, doing a great 968 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,720 job. But in addition to radio, the 969 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,680 Louder with Crowder show very quickly pivoted to video and it 970 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,680 was uploaded to Stevens YouTube channel. 971 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,360 And you know, it was 2014. This is very ahead of ahead of 972 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,320 time. You know, not many shows were 973 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,720 doing YouTube that way or at least even recycling content the 974 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,280 way he was. He would do, you know, his 975 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,920 normal time slots on the AM station and then he would, you 976 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,320 know, do additional time live streaming. 977 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,200 But he had this kind of segmented, you know, this is the 978 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:46,280 the uncensored post show on some sort of streaming platform. 979 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,400 But again, yeah, you've really have to give it to him for that 980 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,040 kind of, you know, ahead of ahead of the curve. 981 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,800 Very quick to embrace technology. 982 00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,360 You mentioned Dan AKA Fun Dip Martin not being interested in 983 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,200 talking to you. His producer at the time was a 984 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,280 guy named Jared Monroe. He'll come up later in this 985 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,040 episode. He goes by not gay Jared in the 986 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,000 Crowder universe. He's doing his own media 987 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,520 adjacent company now, similar to Dan's response. 988 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,800 I've reached out to his company and was like, hey, can I, can I 989 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,960 talk to Jared Monroe about Steven Crowder? 990 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,240 And I got a similar response from that spokesperson saying, 991 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,800 you know, Jared Monroe is not interested in any opportunity 992 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,600 like this. So it seems the people that have 993 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,800 overlap with Steven Crowder really want nothing to do with 994 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,800 him, seem to not even want to be associated with him anymore. 995 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,160 Well, Jared's Jared situation is a little bit more unique and I 996 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,840 think we'll we'll talk a little bit about that later on in the 997 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,280 episode. But he was also kind of, you 998 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,280 know, he got in between Dan and Steven when Jared showed up. 999 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,880 It there's a little bit of conflict and you know, Dan was 1000 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,320 very quickly removed from the show. 1001 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,920 But all the best to Dan and very interesting that Jared's new 1002 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,240 media company, which I I think they have something to do with 1003 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,480 the comedy world. I don't know how deep you went 1004 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,520 into that, but. Not not too deep, right It's 1005 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,280 this episode about Steven Crowder, not Jared Monroe, 1006 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,040 right? But I just want to note his 1007 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,800 radio show those like early clips, a big theme and it's it's 1008 00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,760 almost a callback to his earlier uploads on YouTube is the anti 1009 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,560 Islam stuff. He is doing these stunts and 1010 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,880 gags about it. 1 he parodies Bob Ross painting the Prophet 1011 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,160 Muhammad. He does that one twice actually, 1012 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,560 because he did he does it once in 2016 and then the next year 1013 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,280 in 2017 he does it again. Except Bob Ross is said to be 1014 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,640 painting with period blood. So really side crack and stuff 1015 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,040 here. Honestly, just really a funny 1016 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,520 guy. And you know, the reason that 1017 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,320 every week my job is just so enjoyable. 1018 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,480 Like I'm just blessed to have this opportunity to talk about 1019 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,600 Steven every week. This this radio show, though, it 1020 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,480 eventually becomes his podcast. You know Louder with Crowder 1021 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,520 makes Steven, you know, bigger than he ever has been. 1022 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,800 The the the show, once it pivots to video and and leaves for 1023 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,000 YouTube, it's a roaring success. It not only goes to like a video 1024 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:29,040 format, it also at some point around here circa 2016 was hard 1025 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,720 to nail down an exact date. Goes from being a weekly show to 1026 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,080 a daily one and you get what would become known as the Mug 1027 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,280 Club. Byron, could you explain Steven 1028 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,200 Crowder's Mug Club? Because it doesn't exist 1029 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,800 anymore, right? But this was like a big, this 1030 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,960 was a big thing with his show. Yeah, it was a big thing. 1031 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,000 It's a it's a point of pride for the listeners of the Ladder with 1032 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,280 Crowder show. It's a physical display of their 1033 01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,160 support because at that point, around 2016, when Steven went 1034 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,320 independent and left the radio station, I guess briefly before 1035 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,560 he got some backing elsewhere, he had this idea to fund his 1036 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,760 operation by selling memberships that involved, I guess there 1037 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,960 were annual memberships. And of course he always provides 1038 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,040 promos and discount discounts for active military and law 1039 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,600 enforcement. But you for having annually 1040 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,720 sponsored his show, would receive a mug. 1041 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,400 And this is a hand etched Made in the United States mug that 1042 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,240 people can drink beverages out of what they watch this program. 1043 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,680 But the evolution of that, I'm not sure what we can get into 1044 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,680 that later. But things change things, you 1045 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:50,240 know, As times change and the property moves hands, you know 1046 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,080 the mugs might fall to the wayside. 1047 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,960 Do you have a mug? I mean, this is a shrug club 1048 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,960 mug. It's, it's a louder, louder than 1049 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,760 Crowder mug. So we we have, we have our own 1050 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:01,800 mugs. Yeah. 1051 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,480 That's like me and Mike talking about music where I'll be like, 1052 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,200 yo Mike, you got to check out this like new Rat Boys album. 1053 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,160 And he's just like, dude, no, fuck that. 1054 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:18,040 Check out this limited edition 1993 CDI got in downtown New 1055 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,600 York, Manhattan. There was a little shop over 1056 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,760 there I go. It was fucking awesome. 1057 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,040 It was amazing. I saw shows there. 1058 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,800 This is awe Techer. You ever heard Awe Techer Jerry? 1059 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,280 This is. When I bought the CD, people 1060 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,360 didn't know this shit. People know this shit. 1061 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,720 They got wise to this shit. They got they got wise to. 1062 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,640 I should note also mugs are a bit of a subculture among guys 1063 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,000 like this. The Scott Adams show talk show 1064 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,960 was like very mug centric, right? 1065 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,880 It was just. Do the morning sip or whatever. 1066 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,200 I know that because I don't want to get us sidetracked here 1067 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,840 because but there is a very we should talk about it briefly on 1068 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,080 premium Jared, but there's like there is now like an AI 1069 01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,560 generated version of the Scott Adams show that is running every 1070 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,720 day to an audience of people who have brain matter leaking out of 1071 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,200 their ear. It's. 1072 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,480 Kind of a cult. And it's to every every episode. 1073 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,520 Like we'll start with hope. Here's my mug. 1074 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,640 Time for a little quaint cup of coffee. 1075 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,800 And he the the dead. Scott Adams goes and drinks the 1076 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,360 coffee. Anyway, get carry on. 1077 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,800 Anyway, you talked about the show getting some new back in 1078 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:23,040 2017. Mark Levin's conservative review 1079 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:29,480 TVAKACRTV inks a deal with Steven Crowder to air louder 1080 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,320 with Crowder on its video streaming platform. 1081 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:38,560 And when CRTV merged with the Blaze TV, which was Glenn Beck's 1082 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,440 competitor in 2018, Crowder's contract carried over. 1083 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,120 That would be sort of his main hub of operation all the way 1084 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,680 until he departed in December 2022. 1085 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,080 More on that in a minute. But throughout this time, you 1086 01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,560 know, he's doing The Daily Show behind a paywall, but he's still 1087 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:05,120 uploading clips and hits and and sorts of things to YouTube. 1088 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,240 And I, I want to go through some of that. 1089 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,520 He's uploaded so much stuff. We can't cover all of it, but 1090 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,480 we're going to try to play out some of his bigger hits or his 1091 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,160 bigger sort of moments of notoriety. 1092 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,920 Because this period here when he's at CRTV and The Blaze, when 1093 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,720 I'm looking back on it, I consider this like the height of 1094 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,640 Steven Crowder's career. Which is really interesting, 1095 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,920 right? Like the fact that he arguably 1096 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,880 was the biggest he's ever been while behind a paywall, Like, 1097 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,600 and, you know, the fact that Blaze was unable to, you know, 1098 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,400 find a contract that was worthy of him at that point. 1099 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,520 Like it's really interesting. 2017 in September, he went quote 1100 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,000 UN quote, undercover with Antifa. 1101 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,720 So this was after the Unite the Right protest I guess. 1102 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,000 So this was, this was like a very big genre that was 1103 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,680 ultimately seized by Andy, No. That's true, but Andy no has the 1104 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,640 0 less charm than Steven Crowder somehow. 1105 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,040 Yeah, yeah. This was like, you know, the 1106 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:13,400 kick off of this, every right wing influencer after Unite the 1107 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,960 Right when the country was sitting around being like, holy 1108 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,120 shit. So like Nazis, Nazis support 1109 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,640 this. It it was an effort to recast 1110 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,560 the real threat as the people who protested against the Nazis, 1111 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,480 not the Nazis. So Crowder hops on this and 1112 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,680 we'll see you throughout the rest of this episode. 1113 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,760 He is a a big bandwagon hopper. But tell me a little bit about 1114 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,480 this video. And he gets some notoriety for 1115 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,040 it, right? Yeah, yeah. 1116 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,120 I mean, he did basically. I think it was in response to a 1117 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,520 handful of conservative folks being boycotted. 1118 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,360 This, this, you know, there was the, the, was it a Milo at 1119 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,280 Berkeley that got protested by quote UN quote Antifa? 1120 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:00,960 Correct. And there there were, there were 1121 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,160 fires at that. And we covered it actually on 1122 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:04,600 the on The Who the hell is Bill Maher? 1123 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,960 Because Bill Maher kind of had him on and let him do a little 1124 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,000 star turn to show to show about how, oh, look at how many people 1125 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,800 are are upset about free speech. And, and this was a similar 1126 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:20,520 response to a Ben Shapiro speech that was happening in Utah. 1127 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,440 And Steven, this is so interesting. 1128 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,040 He the video that he posted got so much coverage that actually 1129 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:33,360 Joe Rogan booked him and not Gay Jared to be on Joe Rogan's 1130 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,520 experience. The Joe Rogan Experience, Yeah. 1131 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,480 I like Joe Rogans experience. Undercover with the Antifa and 1132 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,400 that fucking that one was disturbing to me because first 1133 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,560 of all, you look like you slide. Right in like a. 1134 01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,960 Glove buddy like. I was almost matching the guy 1135 01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,880 when I got there. Guy, gal, we don't know. 1136 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,480 And I thought our costume wardrobe lady had actually just 1137 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,120 just stolen his clothes because it was almost identical. 1138 01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,360 Yeah. To what he was wearing. 1139 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,960 Isn't it funny? Though that when you're a 1140 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,960 slender man like people assume immediately. 1141 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,240 So many things. Oh yeah, I can get away with so 1142 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,320 much crap. Isn't that weird? 1143 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,960 Yeah, well, like, what is it about slender people? 1144 01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,720 There's something there, right? Like what is it about slender 1145 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,480 people that are almost always left wing? 1146 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,640 Weakness. Well, just you fucking throwing 1147 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,760 his producer right under the bus there. 1148 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,640 Weakness. I mean, this is a character that 1149 01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:27,200 he and he, you know, called not gay Jared as an insult, so 1150 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,840 implying that he was gay. Yeah, also hilarious to me that 1151 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,080 you have to employ like a wardrobe person to put you in 1152 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,440 like a hoodie and a bandana. He. 1153 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,080 I also like, I like, like the brain cells in Rogan's head kind 1154 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,760 of screened together to form a little Ferris wheel that 1155 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,240 provided him slowly provided him with that analysis where it was 1156 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,600 just like, oh, yes, they're slender. 1157 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,920 You can get away slender people. The, the whole, the whole video, 1158 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,240 lots of issues with this. It's edited in a like surprise, 1159 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,520 surprise, deceptive way that makes the context kind of even 1160 01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,920 hard to understand. In the Joe Rogan episode, Steven 1161 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,920 says that there were no arrests based on the coverage that they 1162 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,200 did, but the FBI talked to them and some of the people they 1163 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,560 talked to were arrested later for doing other things. 1164 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,840 So he kind of, in this roundabout way, takes credit 1165 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,920 for, you know, having stopped an antifa attack, but he didn't 1166 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,880 directly do anything. University of Utah police 1167 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,439 evaluated his footage and as well, and they determined that 1168 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,479 the individuals didn't pose A credible threat that warranted 1169 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:38,200 action. So. 1170 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,560 What a surprise. Yeah, maybe I need to come up 1171 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,720 with an elaborate lie to get on Joe Rogan. 1172 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,680 That would be kind of fun. But his, I guess his popularity 1173 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,880 was about to really start peaking, right? 1174 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,800 Yeah, yeah. So around 2018, I couldn't nail 1175 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,560 down an exact day for when he did the first one of these. 1176 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,279 He starts doing Change My Mind speaking stunts on college 1177 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,880 campuses and and out in public. That's how I know him, by the 1178 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,680 way, just to be clear. I was like, you know, I think 1179 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,399 many of the people in the audience will know that, too. 1180 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,720 Yeah, you've undoubtedly seen this as a meme format. 1181 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,000 Steven Crowder with one of his little mugs sitting at a table 1182 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,000 and there's a sign on the front that says, like, guns Rock, 1183 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,920 change my mind and invites people to, invites people to 1184 01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:29,439 debate and then clips up those debates and uploads them on to 1185 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,800 YouTube or his, you know, various platforms. 1186 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,520 Yeah, the, the whole idea of change my mind. 1187 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,279 I don't know exactly where he talked about this, but he claims 1188 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:42,040 it was an idea that Fox turned down. 1189 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,080 He says this is a way to kind of, you know, I guess, repair 1190 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,279 the feelings that he has about having been fired. 1191 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,160 From there he got one over on them. 1192 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,600 He also said that this was originally a book idea. 1193 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,160 I don't know how it would have been a successful book, but. 1194 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,880 Just reading the pages of a book screaming. 1195 01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,360 I guess so, yeah. You know, his his extremely 1196 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,160 researched debates, he he shows up with these binders of 1197 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,760 information on the topics that he has very selective of course. 1198 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,680 But he has these quote UN quote debates with random unprepared 1199 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:19,160 college students on subjects like abortion is immoral or male 1200 01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,280 privilege is a myth or affirmative action is racist, 1201 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,200 things like that. And there was something about 1202 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,880 the algorithm at YouTube at this time that really made this, you 1203 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,440 know, flourish. It was a extremely popular 1204 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,200 little moments for conservative media. 1205 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,080 And as I said at the top, this is how I was introduced to 1206 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,000 Steven. And, you know, he was somewhat 1207 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,720 convincing to me and, you know, sure, a dumb me at the time who 1208 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,960 was, you know, learning about politics really. 1209 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,600 And sadly, yeah, I guess if I would have if I would have been 1210 01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:53,920 a different person, if I'm honest. 1211 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,640 But yeah, it's it's it's no surprise that this format really 1212 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,440 took off and was influential. But this is Pete Crowder. 1213 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,240 Changed my mind. You know, how influential was 1214 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,640 this in the whole setup on on Charlie Kirk? 1215 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,840 Because it kind of looks aesthetically very similar to 1216 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,280 the, the, the type of setup that Charlie Kirk used to have. 1217 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,960 And I, you know, looking at the kind of overlap of that, I'm not 1218 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,800 entirely sure. It seems that they're both doing 1219 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,280 it at the same time, but that but certainly the Steven Crowder 1220 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,880 one at that moment was more famous than Charlie Kirk's. 1221 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,440 I think Steven Crowder did do it first. 1222 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:33,080 I I was actually on another Joe Rogan Experience episode from 1223 01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:37,560 last week or earlier this week with Andrew Wilson, the blood 1224 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,560 sports debater. I can't remember what his his 1225 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,560 weird, dumb show is, but he mentions at the top, actually, 1226 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:50,760 that Steven Crowder claims to have felt guilty for having 1227 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,360 given Charlie the idea that eventually would be, you know, 1228 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,600 putting him in a situation where he lost his life. 1229 01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,080 So whether or not that's true that, you know, Steven did that 1230 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:05,720 before Charlie, I think it is true, but I don't know. 1231 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,600 And I wouldn't give him full credit for having, you know, 1232 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,040 come up with the idea of having conversations with college 1233 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,080 students behind a plastic table. Yeah, Yeah. 1234 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,880 I mean, conflict gets clicks, right? 1235 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,880 And I think this was like a way of saying, of proving out this 1236 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,800 idea of like, OK, you can go give a speech on a college 1237 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,320 campus, maybe people will protest you. 1238 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,920 But if they don't, or if you're in an area where that's pretty 1239 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,320 unlikely, like down in Texas or I don't know, like in North 1240 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,800 Carolina or something, you can still get that conflict by 1241 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,320 debating college students, which I've always thought was just 1242 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,840 really, I've always been put off by it, right? 1243 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,800 Because it's punching down. You're taking somebody who's 1244 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,840 like professionally trained, has talking points ready to go and 1245 01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,320 pitting them against just some like random undergrad who is 1246 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,080 still trying to figure out who they are as a person, let alone 1247 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,000 like what they think about the world. 1248 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,920 So it's I think they figured out it's like we can get conflict 1249 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,920 content where we almost always win the argument or at least 1250 01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,400 appear to win the argument. You know, Charlie Kirk did a 1251 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,080 version of change My Mind. But also, you know, generally 1252 01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,000 this period also gives rise to like all kinds of Internet 1253 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,200 debate content, all kinds of just like man on the street 1254 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,280 protest stuff. It's just really start to 1255 01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,920 explode around this time. And the way that Steven did it 1256 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,920 is different as well than than the way Charlie did it. 1257 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,280 Steven does it as a surprise. Charlie at least planned his 1258 01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,360 events and people would show up prepared to debate. 1259 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,800 They wouldn't be students, you know, between classes. 1260 01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:53,600 And I think one of the last one of the last change my minds 1261 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,880 before he decided to take advantage of the death of 1262 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,560 Charlie Kirk by bringing them back and also making really sick 1263 01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:02,480 edits where he's putting on a bulletproof vest and getting out 1264 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:05,840 of a van to do this. The most recent change my minds, 1265 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,520 Steven Monticelli, the journalist from Dallas, I don't 1266 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,600 know if you're familiar with him, does great work. 1267 01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,920 He sat down with Steven and debated him. 1268 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,000 And that was kind of the death of change my mind for Steven 1269 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:22,640 was, oh, now I'm talking to someone who actually knows, no 1270 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,280 offense to the to the youths who are debating Steven, but knows 1271 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,120 what they're talking about. So that really changed the way 1272 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,480 Steven approached, changed my mind, at least for a couple 1273 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,080 years. So Stevens also been at the 1274 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:41,520 forefront of battling with social media platforms over 1275 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,400 alleged censorship, alleged shadow banning. 1276 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,280 He on several occasions has filed lawsuits, none of which 1277 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,120 went anywhere. But where he really made 1278 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:59,160 headlines for this was in 20/19, he went to war with a Fox News 1279 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,160 reporter named Carlos Maza. And this is where I'm going to 1280 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,760 put a disclaimer that when I worked at Media Matters at the 1281 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,720 start of my professional career, I overlapped with Carlos a 1282 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,280 little bit. We never worked together really 1283 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,080 closely on anything. But just throwing that out 1284 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,720 there. So this was back when platforms 1285 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,040 were still sort of pretending to care about community guidelines. 1286 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,120 You know, it's post 2016 election. 1287 01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:30,920 It's post Unite the Right platforms are feeling pressure 1288 01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,040 from legislators, that sort of thing to take content moderation 1289 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,920 seriously. And Carlos Manza had published a 1290 01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:43,200 video at Fox criticizing YouTube for not enforcing its, you know, 1291 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,240 pretty clearly stated community guidelines against bullying, 1292 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:51,400 against hate, against this and that when it came to high 1293 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,520 profile content creators on the platform. 1294 01:15:54,920 --> 01:16:00,280 That piece prompted a kind of reaction from YouTube, right, 1295 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:04,840 where channels were getting demonetized, some channels were 1296 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,520 getting banned or earning suspensions. 1297 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:13,200 Steven Crowder is weighing in on this, and he catches heat for 1298 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:19,800 how he repeatedly disparaged Carlos Masa, who is openly gay 1299 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,760 and Latino. Crowder defended it as harmless 1300 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,800 ribbing and quote UN quote playful comedy. 1301 01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,440 Here's just like a a super cut of a couple of those. 1302 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:36,120 Favorite and list piece right from boxes. 1303 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,640 It's ridiculous. It's bonkers. 1304 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,320 You're being given a free pass as a crappy writer because 1305 01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,920 you're gay. That setter line on his little 1306 01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,760 queer graph there? What is what is that is queer 1307 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,880 violence, Phil. OK, so the little queer can eat 1308 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,240 his chips all nonchalantly. It's code for rape. 1309 01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,840 Mr. Queer Eating Chips on the Vox channel. 1310 01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,680 So just gross. Yeah, you seem to have a little 1311 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,560 bit too much fun doing his gay voice. 1312 01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,640 I just want to. I just want to put a little pin 1313 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,160 in that. It's also worth noting at the 1314 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:13,680 time, Steven Crowder was also selling merchandise for his show 1315 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,600 that featured homophobic slurs. So YouTube initially in this 1316 01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,520 sort of standoff with Carlos Manza, sides with Steven 1317 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,920 Crowder. And this angers a lot of 1318 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:31,440 employees at YouTube who make their anger about this really 1319 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,960 known inside the company. Soon after they reverse course 1320 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,280 and they demonetize Steven Crowder's channel. 1321 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,720 Years later they'd re monetize it saying that Steven had 1322 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,520 learned how to be a good boy. But that is like wavered on and 1323 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,240 off with different bits of content offensive shit that 1324 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,120 Steven Crowder's put out. Steven continued to battle with 1325 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,040 YouTube throughout the years. The platform would give him a 1326 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,600 community guideline strike. Here for election genialism. 1327 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,680 Another one here for mocking police killings of black people. 1328 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,320 One here for harassment and bullying. 1329 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,200 But YouTube has a three strikes rule. 1330 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,360 So he would get like suspended for a week. 1331 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,080 He gets suspended, you know, for a couple of weeks. 1332 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,280 He'd lose ad revenue for a little bit and get it back. 1333 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:22,640 But he never got enough strikes sequentially to get banned from 1334 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,520 the platform. His channel still sits there 1335 01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,760 today. It was very strategic how he 1336 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,040 would do this too. He would like the week that his 1337 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,240 second strike expired. He would manufacture a new 1338 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:38,600 situation in which he could get attention by receiving one more 1339 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,600 strike and being removed off of YouTube for a week and then come 1340 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,160 back with his big oh I'm being censored episode. 1341 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:52,280 So honestly kind of smart. Also a way to direct people to 1342 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,800 the paywall. So November 2019, he reenacts 1343 01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,600 the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein. Everybody take a shot because 1344 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,960 it's the Jeffrey Epstein has been mentioned in In a recent 1345 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,640 episode, he tries to debunk reports that Epstein hung 1346 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:14,720 himself inside his prison cell wearing a neck brace and an evil 1347 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,800 Knievel costume. Steven did not die from this 1348 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,600 Everyone so. Steven, don't. 1349 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,880 Worry, don't get sad. I'm trying to imagine a 1350 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,120 situation where he like accidentally hangs himself on 1351 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,360 his podcast. I mean. 1352 01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,760 We're doing a bit. I mean. 1353 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:35,400 Wouldn't be surprised, you know, we may live to see an instance 1354 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,840 in which some some idiot that we covered does a bit and then dies 1355 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,880 from it. Surprised it hasn't happened 1356 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,400 yet. I was going to say it. 1357 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,120 Probably has, we're just not remembering it. 1358 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:48,000 I mean, I, we recently covered, you know, following the, the 1359 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,680 murder of Renee Goode, he decided to do a reenactment 1360 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,560 similar to this in the parking lot in which he stood in front 1361 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,520 of an employee's car and pointed a small gun at one of them who 1362 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,360 was in the driver's seat. So kind of a. 1363 01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,880 Pointed a gun at one of his employees. 1364 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:08,400 Yeah, Jesus, what a. It was a small gun, Jared. 1365 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,080 It was not one of his biggest guns, but yeah, he did decide to 1366 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,960 try to prove that Renee Goode deserve to get shot 3 times and 1367 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,320 killed. Yeah, yeah. 1368 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:22,240 So 2020 comes around. Steven Crowder's still gung ho. 1369 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,160 I mentioned earlier he's a bandwagoner, and there's a whole 1370 01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,160 lot of bandwagons to jump on this year. 1371 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,440 You've got COVID, you've got the Black Lives Matter protest, 1372 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,960 you've got the election. Of course, Byron, how do you 1373 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,880 understand like what Stevens role was in that sort of 1374 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,120 ecosystem? Because like we said, this is 1375 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,040 the height of Stevens career, right? 1376 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,840 But as we mentioned a second ago, it was also the height of 1377 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,560 YouTube's managing how they censor things. 1378 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:58,440 So dancing inside of COVID and BLM and election denial because 1379 01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:01,640 all of those things, you know, talking poorly about COVID 1380 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,960 regulations, which he did frequently. 1381 01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,240 I should also mention he decided to go to two shows a day instead 1382 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,280 of one a day during COVID in which he, you know, made all of 1383 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,360 his employees come to the office and they didn't have any masks. 1384 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,240 So that was pretty cool to put more people in danger more 1385 01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,720 often. And you know, 2020 election 1386 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,760 denial. He would spearhead these 1387 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,200 campaigns trying to point out, you know, election address 1388 01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,680 irregular irregularities you would like go. 1389 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,040 I think he sent some of his employees to Arizona, New 1390 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,800 Mexico. I'm not exactly sure to look at 1391 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,880 where some unhoused people had been placing their address and 1392 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,240 it was like like 3 people had an address that was like a vacant 1393 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,760 lot or something. But he makes huge deals out of 1394 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,120 this. And of course, the BLM stuff, 1395 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:54,800 that's all violent riots. So it was just a, it was mess, 1396 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,720 it was a mess, It sucked, it was terrible. 1397 01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,880 And, you know, every chance he got, he would use these culture 1398 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:05,400 war topics to not only make his audience grow, but also make 1399 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,960 himself a victim of censorship. Which brings us to an awful 1400 01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,600 thing that he decided to cover and focus quite a bit on. 1401 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,880 We talked about the Stievel Knievel reenactments and the 1402 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,680 Jeff. Did we talk about Jeff? 1403 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,440 Yeah, we sure did. He re enacted the the police 1404 01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:25,880 murder of George Floyd in April of 2021. 1405 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:31,080 During Derek Chauvin's trial, he claimed to prove that kneeling 1406 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,240 couldn't kill anyone of, quote, moderate health. 1407 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,120 He was. Doing a a science experiment. 1408 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,680 He loves science experiments. He loves just like, just like 1409 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,960 Point McDonald. Kneel on someone's neck to with 1410 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,840 to prove, which is the big talking point from the racist 1411 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,880 right in particular that let me see if I've got this correctly, 1412 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,920 that George Floyd had a level of toxicity in his system from 1413 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,960 drugs that needed that and that's ultimately what killed 1414 01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,480 him. And then this was somehow normal 1415 01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:05,760 police. Police work, like kneeling on 1416 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,160 this man's neck for 9 minutes and the better part of 10 1417 01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:10,480 minutes really. Yeah, yeah. 1418 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:14,800 So he has his employee dress up as like a Reno 911 style cop and 1419 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:20,480 kneel on his neck for 9 minutes. And him and Co host Dave Landau 1420 01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,480 conversed and said how you doing? 1421 01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:25,920 He's like, I'm doing fine. He's just face down in his 1422 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,120 parking lots. You know, clearly, Yeah, 1423 01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,080 clearly. This was exactly the same 1424 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,600 elements and you know that that went into the murder of George 1425 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,480 Floyd, so. Yeah, I watched, I watched this 1426 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:42,920 video. I mean, to call this a 1427 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,440 reenactment, it feels like a real stretch. 1428 01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,320 You can tell his employees are like not putting their full 1429 01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,600 weight on their legs. They're leaning on their thighs. 1430 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,800 Yeah, elbows on thighs. They're like repositioning at 1431 01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:01,080 several points because, like Stevens uncomfortable and you 1432 01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:05,400 know, and but then the take away is that well, George Floyd died 1433 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,400 because he was a drug addict, right, which was like you 1434 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,480 mentioned, Mike, the racist talking point from the radical 1435 01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:14,000 right. It's just a clearly racist 1436 01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,160 experiment, and those don't happen live on comedy shows. 1437 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,640 But it's also I think I think we I have to, I have to just, you 1438 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,040 know, declare here that it is not it's not an experiment when 1439 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,080 you go out to prove your propaganda, right? 1440 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,840 You're not like scientific inquiry. 1441 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,880 What is it? Let me see. 1442 01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,440 No, I mean, the reality is he's trying, he's trying to provide 1443 01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:42,920 fodder for people who think that George Floyd had not been killed 1444 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,040 by the police officer by the drugs, right? 1445 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,960 I mean, that's that that's the reason to stage it. 1446 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,040 It's not anyway. But that goes out without 1447 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:49,680 saying. Maybe. 1448 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,480 But I think we should under score that well, in November 1449 01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:56,440 2021, this really wonderful guy who has in a very strong 1450 01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:00,280 opinions about George Floyd uses the the N word. 1451 01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,320 I would like when when it's uses the N word, like it's a like 1452 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,040 it's a fucking screwdriver or something. 1453 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,440 Yeah, he says it. He says the N word. 1454 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,760 We've already heard him almost say it. 1455 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:16,480 Now he's actually saying it. And yeah, no, needs to play a 1456 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:17,880 clip of that. I think you got a pretty good 1457 01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,480 idea what type of person this is. 1458 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,040 Everybody knows what that word is and what it sounds like. 1459 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:28,000 We're going to skip that clip. He's the great value version of 1460 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,160 like a real political commentator. 1461 01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,040 Like he he's generic. And the only thing that he's 1462 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,440 been doing recently is, you know, being escalatory, you 1463 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:42,320 know, because he's running into walls with the way that, you 1464 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,080 know, the content that he's sharing is now. 1465 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,200 It's milquetoast at this point. You have to be inflammatory. 1466 01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,280 And I think that that is what he's more skilled at than, you 1467 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,760 know, providing actual personal opinions on politics. 1468 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,280 I don't think he has much of that. 1469 01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,480 Yeah, I, I mean, before we get into the part of Stephen's story 1470 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:03,440 where shit's about to hit the fan from a lot of different 1471 01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:08,040 directions, I, I wanted to get your thoughts, Byron, because 1472 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:12,360 certainly, like what you just said, Stephen knows how to be 1473 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,800 inflammatory. He knows how to get attention 1474 01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,760 for himself, whether it's through these stupid stunts, 1475 01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,760 being deliberately offensive, whatever it may be. 1476 01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:28,120 But you know from your time watching Louder with Crowder, 1477 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,120 not to be confused with the excellent Louder Than Crowder 1478 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:36,800 podcast, you know, once he gets people's attention and has them 1479 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,400 with him, you know their curiosity is piqued. 1480 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,640 They're interested, whatever they're here, they're there to 1481 01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,560 check them out. Is there anything that stands 1482 01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:49,840 out to you as maybe why, like that would explain how he ended 1483 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,200 up being so successful converting those people into 1484 01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:57,200 like die hard audiences? Because it's, it's one thing to 1485 01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,400 like, you know, TuneIn to the posting through a podcast 1486 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,640 because you want to learn about Steven Crowder and who the hell 1487 01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,960 that guy is. It's another thing to be like, 1488 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,040 wow, I really love these guys. I'm going to sign up for the 1489 01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,560 Patreon and like binge the episodes and stuff. 1490 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,880 Like, that's somebody who, like, really likes the show, right? 1491 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,920 Which I do, and I do Patreon. Yeah, go check that out, guys. 1492 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,600 Oh, sign up. Everyone on the Patreon show can 1493 01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:25,480 shout out Byron, but but yeah, how how does Steven do it? 1494 01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:27,600 I mean, what's? That's the big question. 1495 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,080 I don't know if I'm being honest 1 I don't think his metrics are 1496 01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,800 real. I think that looking at like his 1497 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,840 early really influenced that might be more attributed to luck 1498 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,320 and timing than anything else. But I, I don't know why people 1499 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:47,080 tune into his show beyond them clearly having hateful beliefs. 1500 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:52,280 Because the program itself, like as a commentary show, it's 1501 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:57,480 looking at news and giving opinions that are, maybe This is 1502 01:27:57,480 --> 01:28:00,520 why it works. It's giving like gut opinions 1503 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,320 that are coming from a really, really dark place. 1504 01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,440 And I think that often it's those instinctual hateful 1505 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,160 beliefs and someone just saying it plainly and flatly and 1506 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,680 bluntly, that's that's really magnetic to someone like that 1507 01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:16,360 because they don't have to do it themselves. 1508 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,840 It's an ID program, you know, it's not smart, it's not funny, 1509 01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,680 and you don't have to think too much about it. 1510 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,720 And I think that that's what's drawing people in. 1511 01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,320 Are you taking notes, Mike? You guys got to be Dumber I. 1512 01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,400 I I'm going to reserve some of my thoughts about this for my my 1513 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,560 final take. All right, well, shit's about to 1514 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:46,200 hit the fan. So it's January 2023. 1515 01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:52,200 Steven Crowder has left Blaze TV at this point, but we learned in 1516 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:57,400 January 2023 that he had projected an offer from the 1517 01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,560 Daily Wire. The way we learn about that is 1518 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,560 because he starts a spat with the Daily Wire. 1519 01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,680 The offer is insane, as we come to learn about it. 1520 01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,240 The Daily Wire, which is the outlet that has, you know, Matt 1521 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,760 Walsh and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Clavin and those guys. 1522 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,360 Candace for a bit. Yeah. 1523 01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,640 Candace Owens for a bit, too. They offered Steven Crowder $50 1524 01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:28,800 million over the course of four years, with the potential to 1525 01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,920 extend that an additional 2 years at the same rate. 1526 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,080 I want to under score that. That is how much you know 1527 01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,320 billionaire slush money runs around in the right wing spaces 1528 01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,920 as as opposed to our world. Yeah, I'd also like to add that 1529 01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:46,080 they also offered him a, a, a speaking role in the Pendragon 1530 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,080 cycle, Rise of the Merlin as part of this detail as deal as 1531 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,240 well. Dude, that's on my much must 1532 01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,840 watch list, but I just can't bring myself to swipe the credit 1533 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:59,560 card on the Daily Wire. So there's $75 million 1534 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,520 potentially on the table here. And what do they want from 1535 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,800 Steven? Host a podcast 4 times a week 1536 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,640 and do it with full editorial control. 1537 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,160 But there was a catch. And this is what Steven Crowder 1538 01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:16,000 would take issue with the Daily Wire about, which was that if 1539 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,480 Steven lost advertisers or he got demonetized or banned from 1540 01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:26,400 major platforms, his pay would get docked in some cases by 1541 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,600 double digit percentages. Wait, wait, wait, wait. 1542 01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,840 You're telling me that this, this company, if I don't make 1543 01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,120 them any money, they don't want to pay me money? 1544 01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:36,640 This is weird. Yeah, it's crazy. 1545 01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,800 It's crazy. If I if I'm hired to produce a 1546 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,400 show and then that show gets banned and removed from its 1547 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,360 distribution platform, they're not. 1548 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,880 I just don't make money now. You guys are evil people. 1549 01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:53,480 So, yeah, the the demonetization clause was really contentious. 1550 01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:56,920 It was something Steven focused on because of course, he had 1551 01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,600 been demonetized by YouTube three years prior. 1552 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,200 That's something there's a big difference between 1553 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,160 demonetization and being actually blocked from the 1554 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,920 platform. So he hadn't been making money 1555 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,520 on YouTube for years. But yeah, this meant under the 1556 01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,920 contract written the terms as written, that he would start by 1557 01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:20,920 only making 75% of that. So the deal would be 430 thirty 1558 01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:24,040 $7.5 million instead of 50 from day one. 1559 01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:29,000 Oh well, in that point, count me out, dude. 37.5 Get. 1560 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,640 Get out of here. Honestly it's I'm feel like I'm 1561 01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,000 being exploited and ripped off just looking at this. 1562 01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,840 So Jeremy Boring claimed that this would have been scratched 1563 01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,880 out in negotiations in a response video to Stevens 1564 01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,880 concerns. But Steven viewed the fact that 1565 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:50,080 it was included at all as either incompetence or bad faith. 1566 01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,360 Yeah, I remember him talking about. 1567 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,560 It is like this is proof that conservative ink or, you know, 1568 01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,440 big, big right wing media is in bed with tech companies and 1569 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:04,280 they're not really about free speech like they say they are 1570 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:08,120 because they won't guarantee him in writing off the bat an 1571 01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,880 additional $12.5 million is this argument. 1572 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:15,280 Well, he deserves an additional 3 to $4 million a year. 1573 01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,400 You. Know my thought about this is he 1574 01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,440 doesn't seem like a guy who believes in much. 1575 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,440 Why not just take it, get whatever of that money you can 1576 01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:28,320 until your thing does get thrown off or just make the water down 1577 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,040 the show as much as possible. Don't use the N word anywhere 1578 01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,440 and just ride it out. A lot of these clowns, these 1579 01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:37,200 Mark Levin, all these type of guys, they, they're able to be 1580 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,960 racist pieces of dog shit everyday without getting to 1581 01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,680 platform. Figure out a way and get your 1582 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,040 $50 million. Mike, that requires skill. 1583 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,920 He's not a skilled broadcast. Take your vacations to Tokyo and 1584 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,680 take it, you know, and, and, and, and have your, your 1585 01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,720 champagne by the beach and do your, I mean, what I mean, $50 1586 01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,440 million maybe, I mean, maybe he's, maybe he's an artist and 1587 01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,120 he could not be compromised. You know, in a worst case 1588 01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,440 scenario though, where Steven lost all of his advertisers and 1589 01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:08,320 got banned from all major platforms, his salary would have 1590 01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:12,880 effectively been $0.00 and the Daily Wire would retain the 1591 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,680 rights to his content and all his very cool merch, as well as 1592 01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:20,320 his e-mail list. All those mugs did Steven's like 1593 01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,200 don't fuck it, don't tread on my mugs. 1594 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,160 Have either of you ever like come across like right wing 1595 01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,880 merch like this in the wild? Just like seen it like at the 1596 01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,680 airport some fucking guys wearing a shirt or something. 1597 01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,440 I. Don't know the airport I think 1598 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:35,640 is the only place I've encountered it. 1599 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:40,320 Mate the airport or like it would have to be if I go down to 1600 01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,760 the loop in Chicago for some reason occasionally there will 1601 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,320 be like a tourist wearing like a MAGA hat or something but. 1602 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,640 I'm not talking about MAGA hats because that's like, that's just 1603 01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,000 like you're walking out of the street. 1604 01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,160 You're like, I'm a fucking asshole. 1605 01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,280 Like, you know, there were there were a few guys that I would see 1606 01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,200 like right after Trump won in New York City wearing them. 1607 01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,280 And it's like you're just, you're just asking me to like, 1608 01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:04,600 you know, whack them in the fucking back of the head and 1609 01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,360 knock it off onto the into the fucking drain. 1610 01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,040 But. That's don't say that that's one 1611 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,200 of Stevens biggest fears is the knockout game. 1612 01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,840 No, but I'm not like, you know, I'm not going to be careful. 1613 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,680 I'm not. I'm not going to do that because 1614 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,360 I'm a law abiding citizen, clearly who's listening to this? 1615 01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,640 I'm talking about like merch. I'm talking about like some 1616 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,840 fucking dipshit in like a Nick Fuentes quarter zip or whatever. 1617 01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,920 Like you just never see people wearing these things like it 1618 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,680 around. And maybe I'm wrong. 1619 01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,560 Maybe they maybe they get it and then they realize, actually I 1620 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,000 could get my ass beaten very severely today if I wore this. 1621 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,400 I should just wear it in the house while I'm listening to my 1622 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,040 garbage. I don't know. 1623 01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,320 Being based in Montana and just a couple hours away from 1624 01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,160 northern Idaho, sometimes I do stumble upon folks like this. 1625 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:53,040 I'm lucky enough to be in a very liberal tiny little dot college 1626 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,040 town, so things are good and safe and fun for me here. 1627 01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,160 But yeah, it doesn't take, doesn't take far. 1628 01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,200 I I will not delay us any further back to Crowder. 1629 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:06,040 Back to Crowder. So he's freaking ticked off that 1630 01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,520 he is given this bullshit contract from the Daily Wire. 1631 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,840 It's offensive. And he's also, I think a little 1632 01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,520 sore because when he left the Blaze when that contract wasn't 1633 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,800 renewed, they kept all of the e-mail lists for his mug 1634 01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,600 clubbers, which was something like 300,000 people. 1635 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,320 And that really upset him that he didn't have rights. 1636 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,120 They also kept his archives as far as I could tell. 1637 01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,640 It's all behind the pay wall if. You want to go watch old Louder 1638 01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,200 with Crowder episodes? You still have to give money to 1639 01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,240 Glenn Beck. Yeah, we've never covered the 1640 01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,320 Blaze era on our show because it is behind the pay wall, 1641 01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,520 unfortunately. But it is like, like we said, 1642 01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,160 like the most popular time in his career. 1643 01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,200 So that must be kind of a bummer. 1644 01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:52,520 But this is This is why Steven called this Daily Wire contract 1645 01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,960 a slave contract in theory. The. 1646 01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,760 Slave being a fucking slave. Podcasting. 1647 01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:03,200 I'm sorry, what? Yeah, Chain behind this desk 1648 01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:04,960 talking to a camera. Oh, no. 1649 01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:08,320 He was thinking that the Daily Wire would be making bank off of 1650 01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,480 his show and that he would get nothing. 1651 01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,160 What did he want? He wanted $30 million a year. 1652 01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,760 Wanted $120 million over the course of four years, not fifty 1653 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,720 $120 million. And this is according to Ben 1654 01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,960 Shapiro and Jeremy Boring. The Daily Wire accused him of 1655 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:29,320 setting up an online fight to boost himself, which I I was 1656 01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:31,800 monitoring this as well. I'm so glad that me and my good 1657 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:34,320 friend Ben Shapiro also caught the same details. 1658 01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:39,640 We did The Who is the the old who is on stopbigcon.com, which 1659 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,120 is the new phrase that he developed. 1660 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:46,880 He wants to stop big con large conservative On December 12th of 1661 01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,360 2022, Steven Crowder registered the domain. 1662 01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,760 On December 15th, he announced his departure from the blaze and 1663 01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,280 asked people to join mug club and then went on his winter 1664 01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,120 break. And then when he came back on 1665 01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,920 sometime in January, he secretly recorded Jeremy boring in a date 1666 01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,720 Daily Wire contract negotiation and released this leaked 1667 01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:13,120 conversation and kicked off his stop Big Con campaign, which is 1668 01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:18,480 him going against other conservatives is something that 1669 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:21,440 he's been increasingly willing to do, which is quite 1670 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,560 interesting. He loves to cannibalize and, you 1671 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,640 know, splinter apart these these audiences and, you know, scoop 1672 01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,640 up as much of it as he can. But I got to say, this is not a 1673 01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,320 good look for him. I don't think that this turned 1674 01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:37,280 out to be 1, the right choice to turn down a lot of money and 1675 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,360 security or, you know, to like people don't, I don't know, I 1676 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,480 guess look at how the Daily Wire is doing now. 1677 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,960 You know, they're also struggling. 1678 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,440 So I don't really know who wins here. 1679 01:37:47,480 --> 01:37:51,040 But I do know that it was a really public and kind of 1680 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,160 obnoxious little infighting moment that I think he, I think 1681 01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,920 he was the biggest loser of. Yeah, I mean, also notable about 1682 01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:04,280 this spat is that it draws Stephen a lot of criticism from 1683 01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:08,880 other conservative media personalities who finds the 1684 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,840 whole thing in poor taste, right. 1685 01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:16,240 It's like somebody walks up to you, wants to give you 50 1686 01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:22,280 million fucking dollars and then you try to ridicule them or you 1687 01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,840 try to suggest that they're in the pocket of like tech 1688 01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:30,800 companies or something, and you air it out all publicly and and 1689 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,400 like you force that outlet to respond to you. 1690 01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,040 It's just this attention money grabbing stunt. 1691 01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:41,000 A lot of people in that media space, you know, we know from 1692 01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,600 things we covered earlier in the episode, he's not an especially 1693 01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,760 popular guy. But like this, this burns some 1694 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,960 bridges for him, I think. It's a true Sophie's Choice, 1695 01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,200 really. So a couple months later, in 1696 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:57,800 March 2023, Steven Crowder signs a contract with Rumble, an 1697 01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,480 alternative video platform that's got investments from JD 1698 01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:05,360 Vance and Peter Thiel, in addition to a host of other sort 1699 01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,840 of reactionary investors. Right? 1700 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,800 This was going to be the new YouTube. 1701 01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:14,320 And of all the alternative platforms out there, this one 1702 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:18,400 has, you know, it has probably been one of the most lasting 1703 01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,360 successes, at least on paper, right? 1704 01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,120 This company is making a shit load of money. 1705 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:28,440 It's not clear how much money they give Steven Crowder, but, 1706 01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:31,760 you know, I mean, this is where he goes after declining 50 1707 01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,880 million bucks. So I have to wonder because the 1708 01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,360 company, as far as I could tell, hasn't disclosed how much he's 1709 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,320 making off this contract. But they did put out a press 1710 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:46,560 release saying that within the first five months of Steven 1711 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:53,120 Crowder launching his show doing his Daily Show with Rumble, the 1712 01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:59,520 show generated over $7.5 million in subscription payments to the 1713 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,080 Mug Club. He claims he had the most 1714 01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:06,400 watched stream. On election night in 2024 via 1715 01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:08,440 Rumble. Claims that, claims that he also 1716 01:40:08,440 --> 01:40:12,040 had an election integrity map that he had in place to catch 1717 01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,320 shenanigans in real time that broke within 7 minutes. 1718 01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,680 Something like that didn't work the entire night. 1719 01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:22,280 I mean, it's pretty cool stuff. So in April 2023, I was 1720 01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,800 acquainted with Steven Crowder in a more intimate way as 1721 01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,760 someone who didn't follow him too closely before then because 1722 01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:34,600 I saw footage, ring footage of him appearing to berate his 1723 01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:38,000 pregnant wife. So it was Yasher Ali. 1724 01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:41,960 Big big fan of that guy. What a weird character he is. 1725 01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:46,240 Published his Ring footage of him doing that. 1726 01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:50,360 Hilary Crowder. Apparently that's the wife 1727 01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,920 leaked that to Yasher. Allegedly this was recorded two 1728 01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:59,600 years earlier in June of 2021. In the video she's pregnant, 1729 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:05,680 she's carrying twins and he unloads on her using for over 1730 01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,480 using her car. Yeah, they share a car. 1731 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:09,600 You got to? Yeah. 1732 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:10,960 They have one car, Mike. Thank you. 1733 01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,200 We got one car. He unloads her for using the 1734 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,320 car, the family car, because he wants to go to the gym and the 1735 01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:21,040 audio on this is not pleasant. So I think trigger warnings 1736 01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:25,160 there for misogyny and threats of domestic violence, Jim. 1737 01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,200 I can go to my parents, I can't call my friends. 1738 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:29,360 I can't go. I can't. 1739 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:30,600 Be home. You're gonna take the car and 1740 01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,320 leave me here, Hillary. Just think of how boxing is made 1741 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:34,280 me. What do you need me to? 1742 01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:35,120 Pick up. I'll get it. 1743 01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:38,280 I'll be back when I'm back. No, that doesn't work either. 1744 01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:40,080 You'll be back when you're back. It doesn't work. 1745 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,480 Either I I understand the difference between one life. 1746 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,240 Being set to the second and you're going. 1747 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:52,560 Back on back, the student. The only way out of this is 1748 01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:54,080 discipline. Respect. 1749 01:41:55,480 --> 01:41:57,080 We're at an. Impact good. 1750 01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:02,040 Because you can't have any. There you go. 1751 01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:03,240 You throw your hand, you give up. 1752 01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:08,240 So I just said the only way this is discipline of respect. 1753 01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:09,320 You said that we're at an impact. 1754 01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:11,480 No, we are. At an impact. 1755 01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:12,520 OK, I love you. But. 1756 01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:13,320 Steven. Steven. 1757 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:21,480 Here, he's sick. Watch it, watch it, fucking 1758 01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:23,680 watch it. I'm going to let go. 1759 01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,120 I'll get what you need me to get it and I I need. 1760 01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,160 Some space we need you to stop and Beijing for. 1761 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:29,200 A little bit. OK, I. 1762 01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:34,520 Love you, I love you very. Much I don't love you, that's 1763 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,680 the big problem. I've never received love from 1764 01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,160 you. And the fact is, when I go look, 1765 01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:40,920 I need an ABC and D, You just can just put about it, you know? 1766 01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,720 No, but I love you more than life itself, OK? 1767 01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,680 It's not fair. It's not fair and it's 1768 01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:50,720 disingenuous. I'm just going to stop it there. 1769 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,400 I think folks get the picture. Jared, it's been a while since 1770 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,840 I've heard that and still just so upsetting. 1771 01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,840 Just makes me so fucking mad hearing it every single time. 1772 01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:04,240 I can't imagine to talking talking to anybody like that, 1773 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:08,680 let alone somebody I love who's. A correction though, he says he 1774 01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:10,520 doesn't love her. No, he doesn't love at. 1775 01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,000 Least he's at least he's honest about that. 1776 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:17,320 So to paint paint an even richer picture, Hillary was 8 months 1777 01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:21,360 pregnant with twins and Steven was sitting in on patio 1778 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,240 furniture in his backyard blowing cigar smoke towards 1779 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,880 Hillary. And that little comments about 1780 01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,120 putting on some gloves. That was because she was 1781 01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:33,920 complaining. Complaining, she said that she 1782 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:37,040 didn't want to. It had something to do with 1783 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:41,960 picking up dog poop or applying A Suppository into a sick dog of 1784 01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:46,480 theirs that would have caused problems for her pregnancy. 1785 01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,400 The medication would have. So he's mad that she didn't want 1786 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,200 to do that. Yeah. 1787 01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:56,360 Couldn't go get the, you know, the Traeger wood pellets for his 1788 01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:58,760 his grill. What if him and his friends 1789 01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,320 wanted to go to the gym that she couldn't take the car? 1790 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:03,280 So this is the. Equivalent. 1791 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:06,680 So I don't know much about the dog medicine, but pregnant women 1792 01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,880 aren't allowed to clean the litter box usually because, 1793 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,360 Yeah, because there's like bacteria, whatever this is. 1794 01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:16,040 Like instead of just doing, doing the little bit of extra 1795 01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,800 house chores during that time, it's like, it's like, it's like, 1796 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,120 figure it out, Figure it out, woman. 1797 01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:25,960 Well, and and you did stop at Jared before he threatens her 1798 01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:31,840 saying I will fuck you up, which is a really foul that I he's 1799 01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,600 verbally abusing his wife on ring Cam. 1800 01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:36,920 We don't have the full context of it, but I feel it's safe to 1801 01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,320 say that that's that's what we got. 1802 01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:44,520 He filed for divorce, I guess, hired a divorce attorney in 1803 01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:48,280 January of 2021, five months before this footage was 1804 01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:50,880 recorded. Hillary didn't have any idea 1805 01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,160 that he'd hired a lawyer yet. He he was planning to leave, but 1806 01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:58,000 then was, you know, maintaining this traditional marriage brand, 1807 01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:02,040 which was a struggle for him to kind of square. 1808 01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:06,160 Then Hillary eventually filed for divorce December 2021, 1809 01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:09,880 leaving after learning that he had already hired attorneys. 1810 01:45:10,440 --> 01:45:14,120 Steven, she claims, which I think. 1811 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,480 I don't know what his excuse was, I'm racking my brain, but 1812 01:45:17,480 --> 01:45:19,720 he wasn't present for the birth of their twins. 1813 01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:23,080 Jeez, dude. Yeah, really rough stuff. 1814 01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:28,080 This footage though, it it it came out two days later after 1815 01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:33,120 that divorce was filed by Hillary and Steven announced the 1816 01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:37,800 divorce on his show and blamed his bad decisions and felt 1817 01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,280 really remorseful about the way he treated his wife. 1818 01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:44,520 And wait, actually, no, he blamed his wife for the marriage 1819 01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,760 falling apart. He was publicly in this segment 1820 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:53,200 express expressing how he was against no fault divorce and he 1821 01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:56,720 straight up said that this was his biggest failure, saying 1822 01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:01,000 quote I made the wrong choice talking about marrying her. 1823 01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,160 Look, I get it, there are multiple sides to every story. 1824 01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:07,240 But one thing that is undeniable in this case, that's no one's 1825 01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:11,640 fault but my own, in that I picked wrong, and that's 1826 01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:13,440 certainly not the fault of my children. 1827 01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,080 Shit doesn't stop hitting the fan, though. 1828 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:22,200 Months after that, May 2023, workplace harassment accusations 1829 01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:25,000 against Steven Crowder go public. 1830 01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,800 So there's a handful of investigations published. 1831 01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:33,160 The first one that really rocks is from the New York Post. 1832 01:46:33,480 --> 01:46:38,800 You know, it has, I think it was like nearly a dozen former 1833 01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:44,200 Louder with Crowder staffers on various levels of attribution. 1834 01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:47,920 I'm just going to read a quick little blurb from it to kind of 1835 01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,280 paint the picture. Crowder allegedly sent 1836 01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:55,160 production assistants to do his laundry and could be a quote, 1837 01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,240 unreasonable micromanager who would make wild requests after 1838 01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:02,160 hours to quote, set people up for failure. 1839 01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:06,240 Ex staffers claimed that he would regularly berate his team 1840 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:09,680 and threatened to fire people on the company's discord channel. 1841 01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:13,840 He even went after his own father, Darren Crowder per one 1842 01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,160 source who claimed Crowder would yell at his dad in front of 1843 01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:20,400 employees when Darren was working as his son's Booker. 1844 01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:24,840 In addition to this, the stand out allegation against Steven 1845 01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:31,440 Crowder is that he on multiple occasions exposed his genitalia 1846 01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:34,000 AKA whipped out his Dick in front of staff. 1847 01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:38,240 Feel like taking your Dick out is like #1 on the list? 1848 01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,880 Yeah, you just and it's pretty easy not to do is the cool 1849 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:44,640 thing, right, So. You know, there's like there's 1850 01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:48,240 like multiple chances for you to stop before you pull your Dick 1851 01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:49,800 out. You think about it and you look 1852 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:50,720 down. You have to what? 1853 01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,480 You have to like unbutton on zippers. 1854 01:47:53,480 --> 01:47:55,960 You've got to pull it down, you've got to whip it out. 1855 01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:58,440 I think there's like multiple stops on that train where you 1856 01:47:58,440 --> 01:47:59,600 can get off the ride. It's. 1857 01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:05,880 Like I like the idea that this, this like 2 second thing being 1858 01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:09,480 broken down and it's like, well, it's like, wait a second. 1859 01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:11,600 It's like bullet. It's like bullet time in the 1860 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,560 matrix. Or it's like, yeah. 1861 01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,880 No, he responded to these allegations by doing what he 1862 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,840 does best, a skit in which he showed his genitalia to a 1863 01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:23,720 staffer. Oh. 1864 01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,520 Comedy, of course. That comedy. 1865 01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,160 Yeah. It's honestly the show is a who 1866 01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:32,360 you guys should check it out. Apparently though, like zooming 1867 01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:37,160 in and on one of these specific allegations, he climbed over and 1868 01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,920 dropped his junk on top of Jared's shoulder. 1869 01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:44,200 I think this is while they were in a moving van while they were 1870 01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,680 preparing or heading to a change my mind event. 1871 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,800 Nope, nevermind. Right here in my notes, he Jared 1872 01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,800 was sleeping on a plane. So that means that it probably 1873 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,800 happened more than once in my brain on a plane. 1874 01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,040 Just pull that out. Apparently he did it to Jared 1875 01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,600 while he was sleeping on a plane in 2018. 1876 01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,240 On a on a plane. I mean, I guess, I guess he's 1877 01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:06,400 making big money. In theory this could be a 1878 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:11,120 private plane, but now I'm also imagining Steven Crowder doing 1879 01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:17,320 this like in Economy on like Delta Airlines flight, whatever, 1880 01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,160 you know? It's like the. 1881 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:21,600 On a private. It's like the bit that Al 1882 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,600 Franken got cancelled for where he sort of like pretended to 1883 01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:28,800 the, you know, touch the boobs as a gripping person, which 1884 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,520 which of course, this is very controversial now. 1885 01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,040 It's like, you know, it's been relitigated quite a bit. 1886 01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:38,200 What happened with Al Franken but not bringing that up. 1887 01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:41,120 But it is that that's sort of like oops, sleeping person. 1888 01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,160 Maybe I can do something silly here. 1889 01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:44,320 It's. Jocular. 1890 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:48,320 It's it's locker room humor. I don't particularly like waking 1891 01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:51,280 up with a penis on my shoulder, but it's only happened. 1892 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,280 It's only happened about a half dozen times to me. 1893 01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,320 I have seen him on private jets before. 1894 01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:00,320 One of my favorite pictures shows him in a new button up 1895 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,440 shirt that still has the lines from where it was folded at the 1896 01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:05,880 JC Penney where he got it, which is pretty cool. 1897 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,440 He's a sharp dresser. I really think he's got great 1898 01:50:08,440 --> 01:50:11,480 fashion sense. But Steven tries to kind of 1899 01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:13,240 shake this all off, laugh it away. 1900 01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,640 That is until he can't really do that any longer when not Gay 1901 01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:21,480 Jared decides to sue him and Steven ends up losing that 1902 01:50:21,480 --> 01:50:25,720 lawsuit in his order to pay $58,000. 1903 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,680 Since then, a handful of staffers have come out even 1904 01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:32,760 since the the what you discussed. 1905 01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,680 Jared Stevens always hiring. You can go to the website and 1906 01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:38,400 get a job there pretty easily. Yeah, yeah, when I was looking, 1907 01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:40,880 they're hiring a social media manager right now. 1908 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:44,160 Oh Dang, that's a new one. Yeah, I'm always looking for 1909 01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:47,840 opportunities, so yeah. Stuff out there, you know, 1910 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:50,320 That'd be a great job for posting through it, Listener. 1911 01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,880 If I don't want it, because I do know a lot about the show, 1912 01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,120 Steven, I'm your guy. Just kidding. 1913 01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,080 Yeah. Listen, there's, there's been a 1914 01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:02,920 handful of claims that you, you went by Jared. 1915 01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:08,800 He apparently allegedly offered and asked staffers for 1916 01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,000 prescription drugs like Klonopin and Percocet cannabis gummies, 1917 01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,200 which I that's fine, I don't care about that. 1918 01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:22,880 But he required staff allegedly again to work 100 hours plus a 1919 01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:26,160 week and to sleep in the office without overtime pay. 1920 01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,440 When staff complained about lack of sleep, he responded. 1921 01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:34,320 Be a little grateful buddy. He also would buy, I don't know 1922 01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,520 the exact name of the book, but books about radical 1923 01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,440 accountability and would give them that when they would mess 1924 01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:43,280 up following the coverage of his bad behavior. 1925 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:47,080 The entire company after that New York Post article came out, 1926 01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:51,520 the entire company and I think Media Media did some stuff as 1927 01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:57,160 well, but the entire company had to sign updated Ndas, which you 1928 01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:01,520 know, if the results of Jared Monroe's lawsuit kind of point 1929 01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,640 that it's just it actually doesn't really matter. 1930 01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,560 They're not enforceable, or at least they weren't so. 1931 01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:11,600 It's always a good place, you know, when you have a ton of 1932 01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,920 allegations about workplace harassment and unfair labor 1933 01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:18,920 practices is to force all your employees to sign really tight 1934 01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,640 Ndas. That's a that's usually a good 1935 01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:24,040 sign that you're in the right and have nothing to hide. 1936 01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,160 Of course. Well, he starts getting kind of 1937 01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:32,000 sloppy after this. I mean, he, he has made a lot of 1938 01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:38,320 bad blood in pretty short order. This catches up to him May 2023, 1939 01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:42,200 same month, you know, but as all this stuff's coming out, there's 1940 01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:46,680 a mass shooting in Allen, TX. Folks might remember this. 1941 01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:50,560 It was at like a outside promenade, like a shopping mall 1942 01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:54,200 kind of area. And it comes out that the 1943 01:52:54,280 --> 01:53:00,520 perpetrator had neo Nazi tattoos and Stevens response and a lot 1944 01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,480 of the right wing media response at the time was to call it a 1945 01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:09,280 psyop because the perpetrators name was Murcio Garcia. 1946 01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,840 That's not European white name right? 1947 01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:17,040 So Steven and other people in right wing media start attacking 1948 01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:21,760 and showing photos of a random guy in Texas who happened to 1949 01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,840 also have that name. They aired photos of him in 1950 01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:27,680 their coverage. They claimed that they had to do 1951 01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:31,240 this because the mainstream media was refusing to tell the 1952 01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:35,920 truth about the story. And according to a letter that 1953 01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:41,280 his mother sent one network, not Steven, but a different network 1954 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,680 that also aired photos of her son, it turned their life upside 1955 01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,360 down. They were getting death threats, 1956 01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:51,560 they were being harassed and her son was associated with a neo 1957 01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:54,520 Nazi mass shooting. A lot of people forget also that 1958 01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:56,840 there were like 2 narratives that were kind of going at that 1959 01:53:56,840 --> 01:54:00,000 time. The white nationalist group VDR 1960 01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:04,920 for example, put out post saying that like this is it, this is a 1961 01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:08,240 Hispanic shooter, you know, this is it. 1962 01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:11,360 This is this is where the invasion will get you right? 1963 01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:16,760 And, you know, surprise, this guy's out of social Russian 1964 01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:20,200 social media site sharing quite literally VDR links. 1965 01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:22,440 Yeah. And he turned out to be a white 1966 01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:24,560 supremacist. So, you know, I think it is 1967 01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:29,640 important to frame Crowder's actions in that context, in that 1968 01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,200 he was sharing this guy's name. But it was also most likely 1969 01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,920 about the, you know, inspired by the 1st push of that 1970 01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:39,800 information, which was the fact that this guy was had a Latino 1971 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:44,880 last name and background and his ideology, his right leaning 1972 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,920 ideology became more apparent as time went on actually. 1973 01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:51,160 Well, he was inspired kind of by one of his good friends, Alex 1974 01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,800 Jones, and his mistaken coverage around Sandy Hook. 1975 01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,120 Which is interesting because Steven and Gerald ended up 1976 01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:03,160 getting sued by Mauricio Garcia's family and deposed by 1977 01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:08,600 the God attorney, a Mark Bankston hero attorney at large. 1978 01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:12,680 Mark did a wonderful job. If you have a couple hours to 1979 01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:17,480 spend, YouTube did a great job with providing those depositions 1980 01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:19,760 to us and Mark did a wonderful job. 1981 01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:24,960 Yeah, so Steven and Gerald Morgan, who's like a producer on 1982 01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:28,000 the show, right? Gerald Morgan is the CEO now. 1983 01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:33,040 He he became CEO because Steven was using him to shield all his 1984 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:36,680 assets during the during the divorce, Gerald Morgan 1985 01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,680 technically owned Stevens Lake House because they didn't want 1986 01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:42,480 to give Hillary any of it. So pretty cool stuff. 1987 01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:47,800 So scummy dude, but also you're the CEO of a podcast, all right 1988 01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,320 man. I mean, he's a CEO of a podcast 1989 01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:53,840 as well as a conversion therapy like pro conversion therapy guy 1990 01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,680 too. So yeah, he does a lot, chuckles 1991 01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:58,440 a lot of different hats. Cool guys. 1992 01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,200 Wears them too. Anyway, so Steven and Gerald 1993 01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:05,400 Morgan, they get deposed. And according to a posting 1994 01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:09,640 through a listener who works at the same law firm that handled 1995 01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:14,200 this case, shortly after those depositions, Crowder settled the 1996 01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,560 case. We don't know for how much, but, 1997 01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:20,800 you know, I assume that means that Steven Crowder and Gerald 1998 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,960 Morgan walked out of those depositions and we're like, 1999 01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,960 well, fuck, you know what? Let's just cut him a check and 2000 01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,240 like try to move on from this year. 2001 01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:32,760 Basically everything that was happening devastated Steven 2002 01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:37,200 Crowder's reputation, and some analysis from Media Matters 2003 01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:41,880 shows that Crowder's content has really started to perform quite 2004 01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:46,880 poorly on Rumble these days. He's tried to recover, but it 2005 01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,280 seems like most of those efforts have flopped. 2006 01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:54,040 I mean, I gave a look guys on just to see how he was doing on 2007 01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:59,520 X. For a guy who has ostensibly the 2008 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:03,000 better part of 3,000,000 followers is 2.5 million 2009 01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,200 followers. There's a lot he's doing the 2010 01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:08,920 kind of engagement that you would expect to see from like a 2011 01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:13,520 dirtbag left tweet, you know, like he's cracking, you know, 2012 01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:17,720 he's cracking 1000 likes on most of his posts. 2013 01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:21,280 And and of course we can't really be sure on X for example, 2014 01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:25,640 how many of those are legit or botted up. 2015 01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:28,240 Yeah, yeah. And I, and I looked at Social 2016 01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:31,680 Blade, which is like a analytics tracking company just for his 2017 01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:35,240 YouTube channel to see sort of how, you know, is the channel 2018 01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:38,920 still growing? And what I saw is that his 2019 01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:42,880 YouTube channel, which I mean, granted, Rumble is his primary 2020 01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,720 home these days, seems to be shrinking. 2021 01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,000 Like people are unfollowing or they're deleting their accounts 2022 01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:51,520 or whatever it may be. But like his follower count. 2023 01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,160 Maybe they died of COVID. His follower counts going down 2024 01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:57,760 slowly. It's a slow, slow burn, but 2025 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:01,760 going down nonetheless. I always look at these examples 2026 01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:05,000 of actual interaction on Stevens social media. 2027 01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:07,760 He does occasionally does a call for action. 2028 01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,560 He does something every I can't remember what month it is, but 2029 01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:16,520 he has cultural appropriation month and he has a theme every 2030 01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:20,400 week, a very racist theme. And he has his his followers 2031 01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:24,920 post dress up like costumed versions of the themes and 2032 01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,680 interact with him on Twitter. And he gets, listen, I'm telling 2033 01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:34,080 you 10 of responses to these, which is really heartening. 2034 01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:38,520 One time he spent, I think it was 20, we estimated $20,000 in 2035 01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,960 a Times Square billboard and told people to go down to Times 2036 01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,480 Square and take selfies in front of it. 2037 01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,720 And he got two people to do it. Are we? 2038 01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:48,320 Are we titling this? Who the hell is Steven Crowder? 2039 01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:49,840 Or who the hell was Steven Crowder? 2040 01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:51,480 Oh, that's a good. Question. 2041 01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:55,920 He's not dead, Mike. But I mean, people die in 2042 01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:00,240 different ways, you know, MF Doom will live forever, you 2043 01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:01,120 know? Well, we're not. 2044 01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,440 We're. Not that's true. 2045 01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:08,960 I mean, listen, if we're talking hip hop, I did see feel very old 2046 01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,640 today when I went to Spotify and saw that it's been 20 years 2047 01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,800 since J Dilla's Donuts came out. Is that is that your speed Mike? 2048 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,920 That sounds like something you. Do I do enjoy that record? 2049 01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:21,640 All right, well, Steven, listen, we're not he's not quite quite 2050 01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:26,240 done yet because he's actually at this point, August of 2023. 2051 01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,080 And this is actually the birth of my podcast Louder than 2052 01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:30,920 Crowder. I decided to jump in here. 2053 01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:35,640 Crowder held a heavily promoted re platforming conference. 2054 01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:40,280 So this is a rebirth where he announced that mug Club would 2055 01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:46,160 become an umbrella network. This is post Big Con flop and he 2056 01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:49,680 is bringing other canceled conservative figures, most 2057 01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:52,480 notably Alex Jones, the most censored man in the world, 2058 01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:55,080 alongside other band personalities like alleged 2059 01:59:55,200 --> 02:00:00,280 sexual assaulter Bryan Callen Stevens, favorite comedian and a 2060 02:00:00,280 --> 02:00:04,080 very racist guy, Nick Dipaolo. The Hodge Twins, who I should 2061 02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:06,440 point out recently had David Duke on their show. 2062 02:00:06,440 --> 02:00:10,080 That's kind of cool. And prematurely introducing anti 2063 02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:14,520 vax comedian Jim Breuer from the brew universe folks he was he 2064 02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:18,840 was initially announced to be part of the mug club network but 2065 02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:22,440 that didn't happen and Jim clarified that on his podcast 2066 02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,440 pretty soon after St. Steve's a good guy but we we 2067 02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:27,840 were never really going to do it. 2068 02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,400 I think Steven was convinced that Jim was actually going to 2069 02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:34,800 be producing a stand up comedy special for him. 2070 02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:39,520 And given the special that Steven produced and released for 2071 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:42,920 Bryan Callen recently that came out on YouTube and didn't do 2072 02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,680 very good numbers. I think Jim dodged a bullet 2073 02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:48,040 there. Even for Goat Boy. 2074 02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:53,840 You know, he also said that this was his, he was going to use his 2075 02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:57,200 platform to help smaller conservative creators. 2076 02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:02,000 He pointed towards the slave contract that he was offered at 2077 02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,280 the Daily Wire, saying that other conservative creators 2078 02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:08,800 smaller than him were offered even worse, you know, conditions 2079 02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,480 and he was going to be the. Opposite of that. 2080 02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:13,840 Oh, even even even worse than $50 million. 2081 02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:18,640 Right. God, Can you imagine 30 million? 2082 02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,120 Well, the cool thing is Steven didn't help anyone out. 2083 02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:26,560 He didn't he didn't ever bring on any smaller creators to his 2084 02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,520 network. And in fact, that network mug 2085 02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,760 Club would eventually be rolled into Rumble Premium. 2086 02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:35,560 And Jared, you mentioned, yeah, we we just don't know how much 2087 02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,720 he's making as part of this deal. 2088 02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:40,720 We don't know what kind of cut he's getting as part of Rumble. 2089 02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:45,080 I certainly can't imagine he's he's getting Bongino Box right? 2090 02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:47,400 Bongino's like a part owner of Rumble. 2091 02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:50,880 Yeah, yeah, Bongino's heavily invested in the platform. 2092 02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:55,280 I think he has like a 8 or 9% stake is what I saw in some 2093 02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:59,320 reporting from a few years ago. But yeah, a lot of right wing 2094 02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:04,000 personalities that have been, you know, at battle with tech 2095 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:07,400 companies have tried to do versions of this. 2096 02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:10,440 Like one of the first ones I remember was Box Day. 2097 02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:14,520 That's a throwback. You know, he had a platform 2098 02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:19,720 where he would upload stuff. Gavin Mcinnis, Anthony Cumia, I 2099 02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:23,680 mean, Sensor, there's been so many of these and they just like 2100 02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:27,760 constantly merge and like one fails and then it gets absorbed 2101 02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:30,840 over here and over there. I I don't think it's actually 2102 02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:34,880 like a good source of money and it completely isolates your 2103 02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:37,440 audience, right? Like, how do you get people to 2104 02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:39,680 discover? You have to get people to 2105 02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:44,120 discover and pay for a paywall, like to get to the content like 2106 02:02:44,120 --> 02:02:46,400 you're you're just not going to reach new people there. 2107 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:51,440 But I also can imagine Rumble, who he has a contract inked with 2108 02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,360 at this time, has got to be looking at him and being like, 2109 02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:56,120 what the fuck are you doing, man? 2110 02:02:56,240 --> 02:02:57,720 You're going to start a media network. 2111 02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,360 Yeah, no, you're not. You're going to tell them to get 2112 02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:01,680 on. Rumble is what you're going to 2113 02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:04,640 do, Steven. Rumble is a platform baffles me 2114 02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:07,440 like you said that they're doing well financially, but how much 2115 02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:11,560 money can you make off of ads saying that you can cure your 2116 02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:15,040 cavities by drinking apple cider vinegar? 2117 02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:19,320 You know, like there? Have you seen the ads on Rumble 2118 02:03:19,320 --> 02:03:22,200 other than the ice ones that you get pretty much constantly? 2119 02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:27,000 I am so suspicious of that platform. 2120 02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:32,040 I also put out some pieces last year at my job at open measures 2121 02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:37,120 looking into like what really looked like to me, like bot 2122 02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:41,400 activity on Rumble and that that's making up like percentage 2123 02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:44,360 points at the very least of what's on the site. 2124 02:03:44,360 --> 02:03:46,840 So I don't trust the stats on there either. 2125 02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:50,400 It's just very sketchy, very sketchy platform. 2126 02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:53,840 For him being the face of what's called the lineup at Rumble, 2127 02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:58,080 which is a collection of creators like Tim Poole, it was 2128 02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:00,920 Vince who was taking over for Dan Bongino. 2129 02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:04,320 But yeah, it's just baffling. He's not even in a featured 2130 02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,000 creator slot on the main page at Rumble right now. 2131 02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:11,560 Lo Fi Girl gets is more featured than Steven Crowder right now. 2132 02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:18,320 Well, got one more face plant to recount here before we start to 2133 02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:21,680 zoom out, talk about the current day and sort of our reflections 2134 02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:22,800 towards the end. Here. 2135 02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:28,600 Steven Crowder gets excerpts of writings left behind by Audrey 2136 02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:34,240 Hale, who was a mass shooter that in 2023 attacked the 2137 02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:37,920 Covenant School outside of Nashville, TN. 2138 02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:42,360 Steven has excerpts, right? I mean, like a handful of pages 2139 02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:46,120 and he's taking them out onto a show and saying this is proof 2140 02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:50,680 that this mass shooter was motivated by anti Christian 2141 02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:55,800 sentiment that they were trans, that they were, you know, 2142 02:04:55,800 --> 02:04:58,720 basically painting the portrait of this like mentally ill 2143 02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:03,800 leftist out to kill right wing children or the children of 2144 02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:08,160 Christian conservative people. Police investigate this leak. 2145 02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:12,560 Crowder claims that these writings are part of a manifesto 2146 02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:17,240 the shooter left behind. And years later, after federal 2147 02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:20,720 investigators went through what was a ridiculous amount of 2148 02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:25,320 material that shooter left behind, videos, notebooks after 2149 02:05:25,320 --> 02:05:28,560 notebooks after notebooks came to an entirely different 2150 02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:34,360 conclusion, saying that Audrey Hale wanted to be famous. 2151 02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:39,520 They wanted to have notoriety. They openly fantasized about 2152 02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:42,360 like true crime documentaries being made about what they did. 2153 02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:45,720 You know, that was that was the motivation and that they had no 2154 02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:48,640 reason to believe that, like politics really factored into 2155 02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:50,080 it. They were a former student at 2156 02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:53,520 the school and thought, wow, shooting up kids in a school 2157 02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:55,600 that's going to get the headlines, that's going to be 2158 02:05:55,600 --> 02:06:00,400 like they're going to Remember Me like Columbine and Stephen. 2159 02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:04,760 His response was very lackluster of just like a they say Biden's 2160 02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:06,480 in office when this report comes out right. 2161 02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:08,560 So it's just like, well, of course the Biden 2162 02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:10,600 administration's going to claim this. 2163 02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:14,080 They're covering it all up. But it but it's really the way I 2164 02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:17,840 see it, just a really embarrassing blowing the lid off 2165 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:21,240 of sort of what Stevens shtick is there? 2166 02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,280 The final investigation report doesn't name Steven explicitly, 2167 02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:29,160 but you know, they're kind of sub tweeting him throughout it. 2168 02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:32,800 This wouldn't have been public if if it wasn't for him making 2169 02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:36,840 such a mess of it, claiming that this is all just white 2170 02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:40,040 Christians are the new victims and this is all just part of 2171 02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:43,120 this larger trans panic around mass shooters. 2172 02:06:43,160 --> 02:06:48,560 So it's a it was a mess. Yeah, that was part of his what 2173 02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:52,600 what we call the MCU, the Mug Club undercover investigation 2174 02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:55,160 unit that he has over there. That's what he calls it. 2175 02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:58,120 So it's just people emailing and shit him shit right Like. 2176 02:06:58,280 --> 02:07:01,280 Yep, that's all it is. And I think it was a similar 2177 02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:06,600 connection that he had with an ATF agents post Charlie Kirk 2178 02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,600 that got him a scoop. The scoop that was again a 2179 02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:13,280 misguided representation of of what was said on the shell 2180 02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,720 casings and what it meant. And he, of course, he went on, 2181 02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:19,840 aired the next day talking, talking about that as well, 2182 02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:23,240 incorrectly so. So remember this guy in the two 2183 02:07:23,240 --> 02:07:26,560 semesters of college he attended, apparently you know, 2184 02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:29,080 According to him, took media and journalism class. 2185 02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,360 Jared, he doesn't know the difference between the first, 2186 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:36,000 second and third hand source is what he said during his his 2187 02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,240 conversation with Mark Bankston during that deposition. 2188 02:07:38,240 --> 02:07:40,320 So awesome. Yeah. 2189 02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:41,920 Didn't learn much at media school. 2190 02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,560 Nope. So this guy is kind of like 2191 02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:48,920 slowly rotting, it looks like, you know, as a content creator 2192 02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:53,720 before our eyes, you are subjecting yourself to this 2193 02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:56,480 stuff. What? 2194 02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:57,760 What are you seeing? Like, what? 2195 02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:58,760 What? What is he now? 2196 02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:02,560 What does he do? Yeah, when I TuneIn daily now 2197 02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:04,920 it's you know, it's actually pretty good. 2198 02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:08,560 Things have gotten really funny. Mike things have taken a turn. 2199 02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:11,800 He's no he's the worst. It's awful. 2200 02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:16,120 The show usually starts with he does a cold open where he talks 2201 02:08:16,120 --> 02:08:20,240 about the topics he's going to be hitting, does a really funny 2202 02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:24,960 and you know, song parody or a commercial for a finance company 2203 02:08:25,080 --> 02:08:27,760 that is somehow still racist and they're still somehow still 2204 02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:30,440 offering him. I had money for that. 2205 02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:34,600 And then we roll into an opening where he usually will play 2206 02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:38,080 whatever racist clip is trending on conservative TikTok. 2207 02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:41,160 One of his employees will send him something he finds funny. 2208 02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:47,640 It's maybe it's a stabbing that someone is committing in France. 2209 02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:51,280 Maybe it's someone speaking in a different language that he finds 2210 02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:54,800 funny. It's all kinds of really cool, 2211 02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:59,080 funny ways to start a show before talking about the news 2212 02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:03,600 and having really terrible but still base level takes because 2213 02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:07,360 his audience doesn't want to hear nuance or, you know, any 2214 02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:10,200 sort of actual understanding of a situation. 2215 02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:14,360 They just want to hear what the talking points are across 2216 02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:17,520 conservative media and then add a little bit of violence to it, 2217 02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:19,560 a little bit of pro violence talk. 2218 02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:22,600 But. But yeah, we usually count 3 to 2219 02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:25,680 4 accents per episode. That's always fun. 2220 02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:28,520 Keep track with his his impressions. 2221 02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:30,480 And yeah. And there's a rotating cast of 2222 02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:33,040 behind the scenes, behind the scenes employees. 2223 02:09:33,400 --> 02:09:36,160 Tim the toolman is the main dude. 2224 02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:37,800 He's been there for a very long time. 2225 02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:40,240 His third chair is usually a comedian. 2226 02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:42,120 How many don't like Tim the Toolman? 2227 02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:46,280 Tim, you don't like that? Well, I mean, it's it's not it's 2228 02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:49,880 a much shorter person than Tim Allen, but this guy, listen, his 2229 02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:53,880 legs dangle from his chair. He hops down and it's it's 2230 02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:56,160 pretty cool. He's been Stevens friend for a 2231 02:09:56,160 --> 02:10:00,600 very long time. But for the most part, people 2232 02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:03,360 don't stay very long. I'm telling you, you got to give 2233 02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:06,560 you're looking for a gig. You got to keep your eyes on the 2234 02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:11,040 website because he will give you a funny nickname. 2235 02:10:11,400 --> 02:10:15,760 And as someone who's never been given a nickname, maybe that's 2236 02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:19,280 something I'm looking for. But it's just, it's a nightmare. 2237 02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:23,760 And it's, it's just such a poorly produced show on a daily 2238 02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,400 basis. They get things wrong. 2239 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:29,680 But for the most part, sometimes we find ourselves sitting down 2240 02:10:29,680 --> 02:10:33,200 to make comments on the show and it's just like, there's nothing 2241 02:10:33,200 --> 02:10:35,200 to say. He's just saying racist, 2242 02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:38,320 transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic things. 2243 02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:40,760 And you know what is there to critique about that? 2244 02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:45,120 You know, it seems like he has been trying to do these sort of 2245 02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:49,880 same attention getting stunts or, or, or you know, going out 2246 02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:53,040 to the extremes to try to stir up some controversy. 2247 02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:56,680 He recently hosted Nick Fuentes for an interview. 2248 02:10:57,080 --> 02:11:00,640 Like he he got Nick Fuentes after red scare got Nick Fuentes 2249 02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:02,440 right. Maybe that tells you where his 2250 02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:06,280 show is at currently. He also recently published a 2251 02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:09,000 video about replacement theory and stuff. 2252 02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:14,200 But I just don't like when he did this on YouTube, it would 2253 02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:17,240 create a conflict between him and the platform. 2254 02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:20,200 And now they're censoring him. And now it's like, you know, 2255 02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:24,840 look at me, I'm under attack. And that can really invigorate 2256 02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:28,440 like a parasocial thing with his audience or get people there or 2257 02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:31,080 get people curious. But Rumble doesn't give a shit 2258 02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:33,960 about any of that, so. It's do whatever you want. 2259 02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:37,560 If these are attention seeking stunts, they don't really work 2260 02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:40,040 anymore. You have to get creative, Jared. 2261 02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:42,520 You have to escalate the and. That's giving him the benefit of 2262 02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:45,320 the doubt. That's looking at him cynically. 2263 02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:48,680 It's also completely possible he just believes this kind of shit 2264 02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:50,960 straight up. At this point, I think that is 2265 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,120 possible. Recently, I think it must be 2266 02:11:53,120 --> 02:11:57,040 within the last year, he went on Pierce Morgan's uncensored 2267 02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:01,840 program and he was challenged to say the N word. 2268 02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,080 They're like, well, then just say it. 2269 02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:06,120 And he just said it three times. And that was kind of the kick 2270 02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:10,080 off of his new era of, of saying the N word and also complaining 2271 02:12:10,080 --> 02:12:13,440 that Piers Morgan on his uncensored show censored him 2272 02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,480 from saying the N word. And I'm like, that's a weird 2273 02:12:15,480 --> 02:12:19,560 thing to be complaining about. So then he, of course, published 2274 02:12:19,560 --> 02:12:23,240 the uncensored version on his YouTube page, which I don't 2275 02:12:23,240 --> 02:12:25,120 know, man. Yeah, absolutely right. 2276 02:12:25,200 --> 02:12:27,120 At this point, he's really done it all. 2277 02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:31,720 And it's kind of just down, but also in a different direction 2278 02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:35,600 from here, right? Like, there's only escalation 2279 02:12:35,600 --> 02:12:39,280 and, you know, intensification of his beliefs at this point. 2280 02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:43,440 That's probably as good a place as any to wrap it up here. 2281 02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,080 Mike, thanks for hanging in there. 2282 02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:48,760 I know you're under the weather hanging out, but I'm glad you 2283 02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:50,640 could. You can make it with us today. 2284 02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:55,000 In for a penny, in for a pound. What, what, what possibly could 2285 02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:59,680 shingles really be compared to listening to listening to Steven 2286 02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:05,040 Crowder use the N word? But Jared, you've heard about 2287 02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:08,160 this. What, who, who, what, What the 2288 02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:11,120 hell? Who the hell is Steven Crowder? 2289 02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:12,560 What is Steven Crowder? Maybe. 2290 02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:14,080 I don't. Yeah. 2291 02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:15,840 What is what is he? I. 2292 02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:20,360 Mean, when I look at Steven Crowder having, you know, gone 2293 02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:23,920 through everything to prep this episode with tremendous help 2294 02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:28,440 from Byron, right? I mean, I, we both brought in 2295 02:13:28,520 --> 02:13:33,800 stuff here and like, I had never really spent that much time 2296 02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:36,400 looking into Steven Crowder before. 2297 02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:40,440 And I started to wonder, like, why that was. 2298 02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:42,760 Because the more I looked at it, the more I was like, holy shit, 2299 02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:46,120 this guy's a big deal. Or at least was right. 2300 02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:49,360 And I knew he was a big deal, but I just never really took the 2301 02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:52,360 time to try to actually figure him out. 2302 02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:59,040 By the end of it, I feel like I was just more sad than anything. 2303 02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:02,440 He's just kind of a, in my view, a sad guy. 2304 02:14:02,720 --> 02:14:05,520 You don't not to go full armchair psychologist, but 2305 02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:09,120 there's like some kind of like I, I feel like I recognize some 2306 02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:12,360 kind of like self hatred thing going on, some sort of like 2307 02:14:12,360 --> 02:14:15,960 really deep insecurity here that like plays out. 2308 02:14:15,960 --> 02:14:17,880 We've seen this with like so many people. 2309 02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:20,000 It kind of plays out the same way we've seen it and other 2310 02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,280 people, right. But mostly who do I think Steven 2311 02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:25,160 Crowder is? I have to thank Byron for 2312 02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:27,840 texting me this morning. A link to one of Steven 2313 02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:31,920 Crowder's playlist on Spotify called Big Chillin. 2314 02:14:32,200 --> 02:14:36,520 It is Byron. I think you put it best like 2315 02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:42,200 this dude goes to a wedding and it's like they're playing all my 2316 02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:45,320 favorite songs right now. I've never met a One Republic 2317 02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:46,200 fan. It has it. 2318 02:14:46,200 --> 02:14:47,680 Seems like it's just Steven Crowder. 2319 02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:51,400 It has like, OK, so I skimmed it briefly, but it had, I was like, 2320 02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:53,840 what is this song? I don't remember what the band 2321 02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:56,600 is called like, but like it. But it's like that song that's 2322 02:14:56,600 --> 02:15:00,240 like, this is going to be the best day of my life. 2323 02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:04,800 Dump, dump, dump dude. And I was like, I only know that 2324 02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,360 for like fucking like drug commercials. 2325 02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:10,840 It's like drugs that get rid of rashes and like, you know, that 2326 02:15:10,840 --> 02:15:14,200 you can go back outside again and like, and shit like that. 2327 02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:17,240 I, I've, I've never like he listens to like music that you 2328 02:15:17,240 --> 02:15:21,360 hear and fucking Ms. now like drug commercials where it's sort 2329 02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:24,560 of like, hey, your herpes is under control and it's like, and 2330 02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:27,720 then you need an uplifting song that's like Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo 2331 02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:29,240 Doo Doo. That's what fucking Steven 2332 02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:32,440 Crowder is listening to when he's walking around or driving 2333 02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:35,400 in his car, apparently. Yeah, I mean, on this playlist 2334 02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:39,640 we've got you mentioned One Republic, The Lumineers, Milky 2335 02:15:39,640 --> 02:15:43,680 Chance Train, Coldplay. Coldplay, man. 2336 02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:44,800 Jeez. Al City. 2337 02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:49,080 The Fray. Avicii genuinely listens to 2338 02:15:49,080 --> 02:15:51,240 Imagine Dragons. He's got Thunder on here. 2339 02:15:51,240 --> 02:15:54,400 Maroon 5. Like I I don't even know how to 2340 02:15:54,400 --> 02:15:57,760 put it into words, but I know exactly who this motherfucker 2341 02:15:57,760 --> 02:15:59,600 is. I don't listen to any bands with 2342 02:15:59,600 --> 02:16:02,000 a fucking number on it. Like straight up, it's just. 2343 02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:05,400 I know, I know this guy. I've met a thousand of these 2344 02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:08,360 guys before. The last thing he added to this 2345 02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:10,960 just a couple days ago, about a month ago, was Iris. 2346 02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:14,680 Dizzy up the girl or Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls off Dizzy up the 2347 02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:16,920 girl. Oh dude. 2348 02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:19,480 And one song just added one song to it. 2349 02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:22,560 Big chilling, man, Big chilling, Big chilling. 2350 02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:25,120 That's what he listens to when he's big chilling, smoking a 2351 02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:28,160 cigar, saying God awful shit to his wife. 2352 02:16:28,600 --> 02:16:31,040 Mike, you've been a trooper hanging in there. 2353 02:16:31,120 --> 02:16:35,559 I apologize also because my, I'm like completely blasted. 2354 02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:38,639 I took Ativan as well because I was like, I'm like, you know, 2355 02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:41,520 just I want to be like my there's like nerve pain. 2356 02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:46,000 I was looking to calm that down. So I'm very sedate today. 2357 02:16:47,799 --> 02:16:51,959 But but Mike, after listening to all of this, who the hell is 2358 02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:54,000 Steven Crowder? I mean, he sucks. 2359 02:16:54,000 --> 02:16:56,879 So I have like very little to add here. 2360 02:16:56,879 --> 02:16:58,200 You guys know a lot more than I do. 2361 02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:02,480 But I just want to just like point out one phenomenon that 2362 02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:05,160 may be of use to our listeners who've made it to the end of 2363 02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:11,840 this, which is since the Trump era, there are very few people 2364 02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:16,639 in this mega world who really stand out as being 2365 02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:19,559 irreplaceable. This guy is replacement meet. 2366 02:17:19,559 --> 02:17:22,840 He is, he is replaceable. And I point I, I want to, I just 2367 02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:25,000 want to as a point of comparison, you have somebody 2368 02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:28,639 who is essentially a shark like Stephen Miller innocently. 2369 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:30,760 I know it's an insult to sharks. What do sharks do? 2370 02:17:30,760 --> 02:17:32,360 They're they're just part of the ecosystem. 2371 02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:35,360 But like in the sense that like he's just, there's no feeling. 2372 02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:39,200 There's no depth of humanity. He's up at 4:00 in the morning. 2373 02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:40,639 He's sharing things about immigrants. 2374 02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:44,440 He's just hell hell bent on making this psychotic project 2375 02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:46,440 run. You got somebody like Steve 2376 02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:50,080 Bannon who I think is legitimately intelligent, all 2377 02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:52,200 judgements aside about his morals. 2378 02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:55,840 He is a person who is willed a lot of this into being. 2379 02:17:55,840 --> 02:18:00,120 You have somebody like it, Donald Trump, who is unmatchable 2380 02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:04,040 skills as a carnival Barker. Crowder is like one of those 2381 02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:09,400 guys who has power, or had power for sure over people largely 2382 02:18:09,400 --> 02:18:13,600 because of all this like slush money and garbage that just 2383 02:18:13,600 --> 02:18:17,920 floats around from billionaires to prop up this despicable 2384 02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,920 project and make all of our lives much worse. 2385 02:18:20,920 --> 02:18:24,520 Basically keep us from having affordable housing, keep us from 2386 02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:28,160 having affordable healthcare, keep keep the rest of us from 2387 02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,360 living so they can accrue more and more money. 2388 02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:32,520 And he's the perfect tool for that. 2389 02:18:32,680 --> 02:18:35,400 As you can see here, a guy who is not who could not have really 2390 02:18:35,400 --> 02:18:38,040 made it as a as a comedian, right. 2391 02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:42,600 He just doesn't have the goods who who's handsome enough to do 2392 02:18:42,719 --> 02:18:48,480 louder with Crowder, but is not handsome enough to do whatever 2393 02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:51,520 comedic films or something like that might come with a personal 2394 02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:54,440 economy. So he's he is a guy for when his 2395 02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:57,320 his story collapses, they will find somebody else. 2396 02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:00,080 And the same thing is true for Matt Walsh, who's a guy who 2397 02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,080 we're going to eventually, probably I do on here. 2398 02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:05,200 Maybe we'll do it before his peak like implodes. 2399 02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:06,920 But these people are replaceable. 2400 02:19:06,920 --> 02:19:09,440 And while they're at, you know, the top of the game, they are 2401 02:19:09,440 --> 02:19:12,320 really they really start to believe that they are a special 2402 02:19:12,320 --> 02:19:14,320 talent. And I'm sure that right before 2403 02:19:14,320 --> 02:19:19,520 that fucking Ring Ring footage emerged, he really thought there 2404 02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:21,600 was nothing you could bring him down because he was just such an 2405 02:19:21,600 --> 02:19:25,160 important person. And well, guess what, buddy? 2406 02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:30,719 You're not. Byron, I feel like I I have 2407 02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:34,080 overindulged and Steven Crowder, in the process of preparing this 2408 02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:39,840 episode, you have consumed way more, way more than I have. 2409 02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:44,920 So tell you, you tell us, who the hell is Steven Crowder? 2410 02:19:45,080 --> 02:19:47,680 Well, you, you both said a lot. So I'm not, I'm not going to, 2411 02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:49,960 I'm not going to dive too deeply. 2412 02:19:49,960 --> 02:19:53,560 But I will say that from everything I've taken in, like 2413 02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:59,280 maybe policy aside, I think that like Steven is just an insecure 2414 02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:04,240 boy. He's painfully struggling to 2415 02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:07,520 rebound from, you know, his childhood up through today. 2416 02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,720 Like he hasn't really grown as a person. 2417 02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:13,880 He's a product of a racist Christian nationalist father, 2418 02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:16,760 which we didn't really focus on too much because there's nothing 2419 02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:19,840 too well documented. All I know is from the little 2420 02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:24,840 snippets I get from Stevens upbringing, I know that there's 2421 02:20:24,840 --> 02:20:29,480 a mention of him. You know, this is one of the 2422 02:20:29,480 --> 02:20:32,480 things that drew me to him too, is that I'm I'm a similar age 2423 02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:35,120 and we kind of culturally started from the same place. 2424 02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:39,440 Like he was like an emo guy he used to listen to like Dashboard 2425 02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:42,240 Confessional and a bands like that. 2426 02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:46,120 And there's this moment where he said that his he was wearing a 2427 02:20:46,520 --> 02:20:51,480 bandana in his back pocket and his dad told him to take it out 2428 02:20:51,480 --> 02:20:54,120 and called him a slur. He didn't explicitly say that 2429 02:20:54,120 --> 02:20:55,560 part, but I think that's implied. 2430 02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:59,920 Steven is still trying to impress his dad, and it's 2431 02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:03,800 because of all of this that he is struggling to connect with 2432 02:21:03,800 --> 02:21:07,200 his peers, you know, fighting the beliefs that have been 2433 02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:10,520 impressed on him and his desire to participate in pop culture. 2434 02:21:10,520 --> 02:21:12,280 It's kind of this weird, perfect storm. 2435 02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:17,680 And then he got really lucky being an early adopter of new 2436 02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:20,600 media and and following YouTube trends. 2437 02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:24,560 And that is what brought him into the mainstream. 2438 02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,520 I don't think he's got the chops for it though. 2439 02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:30,640 And now he's found himself isolated, kind of lashing out at 2440 02:21:30,760 --> 02:21:34,520 any once friendly conservative peer that he had. 2441 02:21:35,080 --> 02:21:38,640 And his influence is sliding, which is only making him 2442 02:21:38,840 --> 02:21:42,760 desperate and explicit in his hate. 2443 02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:46,680 Like he's stuck. He's surrounded by people he 2444 02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:50,720 pays to be his friends in a compound that he never leaves. 2445 02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:55,800 And he's sad. Like you said, Jared, I just 2446 02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:58,280 wish that his his sadness didn't have to affect so many people. 2447 02:21:58,280 --> 02:22:01,200 I want to interject something real quick here, but it sounds 2448 02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:02,200 like you're at the end of the thought. 2449 02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:05,080 But I, I think I think this is useful to people because, you 2450 02:22:05,080 --> 02:22:08,560 know, if you follow this all through, you will recall that he 2451 02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:10,760 was offered a lot of money from Daily Wire. 2452 02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:12,760 Do you think he wishes he took that money? 2453 02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:16,520 I think he does. I think he I think that in the 2454 02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:19,880 window where he was making the largest career mistakes was when 2455 02:22:19,880 --> 02:22:23,720 it was a very emotionally difficult moment when his his 2456 02:22:23,720 --> 02:22:27,200 marriage was failing. Like if you read how much of A 2457 02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:30,720 wife guy Steven was at the beginning, like he wrote, like 2458 02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:33,040 we point out, we didn't read them these articles about 2459 02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:35,360 abstinence. He wrote an article about his 2460 02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:39,640 first night with his wife. He was the definition of a wife 2461 02:22:39,640 --> 02:22:42,000 guy. And it all fell apart around the 2462 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:46,240 same time he started making these massive career missteps. 2463 02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:50,080 So yeah, I think he regrets it a lot. 2464 02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:53,120 I mean, I think. It seems like he was so high on 2465 02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:55,760 his own supply, man. Like he's just like, you know, 2466 02:22:55,880 --> 02:22:58,640 there's as I say, it was like, you know, it's sort of like you 2467 02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:02,560 think you're talented and you think you're not replaceable and 2468 02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:04,760 like in reality, you completely are. 2469 02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:09,080 I'm not, you know, I mean, it's a jokingly reference MF Dune, 2470 02:23:09,080 --> 02:23:12,560 but like all all, all artists who have like some kind of 2471 02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:16,920 signature talent that they bring that is very specific to them. 2472 02:23:17,560 --> 02:23:19,520 You know, when you're reading books, when you're reading it 2473 02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:21,680 and you're like this, this is this person's voice. 2474 02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:23,600 This is there. There's only one person like 2475 02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:27,000 this, right? You see, like Christopher Walken 2476 02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:29,200 act or something like that means you may not be the greatest 2477 02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:31,320 actor you've ever seen, but there's something that's so 2478 02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:33,160 idiosyncratic about Christopher Walken. 2479 02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:35,040 He's like, well, Christopher Walken does that. 2480 02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:38,160 Steven isn't anything. And like, you know, his, his 2481 02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:41,960 ability to entertain and engage is again, very, it's very 2482 02:23:41,960 --> 02:23:43,840 lukewarm. It's a very lukewarm thing. 2483 02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:45,400 And it's like, buddy, there is another. 2484 02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:47,960 Don't you understand You, you you. 2485 02:23:47,960 --> 02:23:50,600 You know how grateful you should be when someone offers you 2486 02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:53,680 $50,000,000 to be what you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2487 02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:58,280 His, his shit is so low brow. Anybody can do that. 2488 02:23:58,920 --> 02:24:02,320 Anybody can do as long as they are willing to swallow their 2489 02:24:02,320 --> 02:24:05,600 shame, is the caveat. Anybody can do what Steven 2490 02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:08,400 Crowder does. I mean, I, I hate to be so like 2491 02:24:08,440 --> 02:24:11,280 empathetic in this experience with him because I agree. 2492 02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:14,040 Like there's this, also this. Level here we try to see 2493 02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:16,120 something in them as well as also. 2494 02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:18,680 Wondering. What might have happened had he 2495 02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:21,000 died in during one of his many death experiments? 2496 02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:23,840 But we we also try to look into his heart. 2497 02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:27,200 Yeah, the thing that I mean, there's this also this some some 2498 02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:31,320 sort of level, some degree of narcissism that makes him feel 2499 02:24:31,320 --> 02:24:34,440 like he's capable of doing all of this stuff mixed with 2500 02:24:34,440 --> 02:24:38,920 insecurity, which is a creates a Crowder. 2501 02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:41,280 And that's what we've got. And I just wish, I wish that it, 2502 02:24:41,640 --> 02:24:45,320 you know, I wish that it didn't have to affect, you know, 2503 02:24:45,320 --> 02:24:50,000 marginalized people and also take advantage of an audience 2504 02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:52,760 that he's exploiting. You know, I think that I think 2505 02:24:52,760 --> 02:24:57,720 that he's found a way to do that a little less good than he used 2506 02:24:57,720 --> 02:24:59,200 to. So thank goodness for that. 2507 02:24:59,720 --> 02:25:02,920 Byron, that brings us to a close here. 2508 02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:07,960 You Co host podcast called Louder than Crowder, which is 2509 02:25:08,280 --> 02:25:12,080 the the official, the flagship podcast about the podcast Louder 2510 02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:15,000 with Crowder. Tell folks about that. 2511 02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:18,560 I'd love it if Mike and I could join you guys for one coming up 2512 02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:20,720 in the near future. Yeah, I hope you. 2513 02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:22,360 I hope you are. You're welcome anytime. 2514 02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:25,560 Yeah, Louder than Crowder. It's a weekly podcast with I 2515 02:25:25,560 --> 02:25:30,560 guess it's a recap podcast. We we tend to focus on as though 2516 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:35,040 we pick an episode once a week and break it down on these 2517 02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:38,600 larger events. Like we just got done covering 2518 02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:45,240 the Alex pretty assassination and that covered a span of 2519 02:25:45,240 --> 02:25:48,400 dates. But yeah, we we like to goof 2520 02:25:48,400 --> 02:25:53,640 around, but also it's a tends to skew serious from time to time. 2521 02:25:53,640 --> 02:25:58,240 Me, my Co host Dennis and my good friend Jared sit down. 2522 02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:02,280 Yeah, once a week. And it's available at on all 2523 02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:06,320 podcast platforms, Spotify, Apple podcast, whatever you 2524 02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:09,840 listen to louder than Crowder. And we also have something 2525 02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:14,200 called the Shrug Club, which is at shrugclub.com or 2526 02:26:15,400 --> 02:26:21,040 patreon.com/shrug Club where we investigate his stand up comedy. 2527 02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:24,320 We found some leaked comedy and don't know how this happened. 2528 02:26:24,320 --> 02:26:27,640 It's crazy. I just so happened to be at the 2529 02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:32,120 same show a couple years ago that Steven performed at and 2530 02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:34,800 somehow I acquired all this audio from this stand up set. 2531 02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:37,640 So we're breaking that down there. 2532 02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:41,840 We also have live streams that are also rebroadcast as part of 2533 02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:43,800 the Shrug Club, so you can go check that out. 2534 02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:48,520 Folks, go check out Louder Than Crowder and keep an eye out. 2535 02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:51,120 You might recognize a couple of voices on that show here in the 2536 02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:53,800 near future. Well, thanks for tuning in. 2537 02:26:53,880 --> 02:26:56,880 That was a long journey, but now you know more about Steven 2538 02:26:56,880 --> 02:27:02,280 Crowder than you ever did. We hope this can be a conclusive 2539 02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:05,720 biography of Steven Crowder, but there's been too many. 2540 02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:08,040 Jared's mentioned on the show. I'm getting confused. 2541 02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:12,000 I think it's time for us to go. We will see folks on the Patreon 2542 02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:14,800 on Thursday. There's a link to that in the 2543 02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:16,760 description. We're going to update you on the 2544 02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:20,520 good stuff, on all the news that we missed while doing this. 2545 02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:24,400 And for everybody else, we'll see you here next week on 2546 02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:25,800 Monday. Take care. 2547 02:27:26,120 --> 02:27:27,280 Bye everybody. See you.