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Live sort of from Chicago and 
New York. 

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That's right. 
Aluminum microphones. 

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Once in a lifetime. 
All right, pastors. 

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Yeah, yeah, Boy, it takes a 
fucking long time, right? 

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Yeah, it's a long intro. 
Ready. 

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Ready. 
Yeah. 

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My name. 
Is Jim. 

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That's enough of that. 
Chicks with beepers, who could 

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forget them? 
Yeah. 

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You know what it you know what 
it is? 

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New creamy. 
New creamy EM edition. 

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I'm, I'm, I'm Jared. 
You're Mike. 

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We are, we are talking about, 
we're talking about the man, the

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the God of rap metal. 
The. 

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Kid Rock. 
He's he's, he's just a boy. 

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He's. 
Just he's just a boy who looks 

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like he's been, you know, 
sleeping in a pack of Marlboros 

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for the last, like, 6. 
Months, Dude, I, I saw a photo 

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of him and somebody was making 
fun of it. 

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If it's like, oh, this is the 
best you can get for your 

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halftime shows, This washed up 
55 year old guy. 

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And my first thought was like, 
he's only 55. 

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Jeez, that guy's. 
That guy's lived a lot of life, 

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man. 
Yeah, he, he, he looks very like

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leather, like he's got his, his,
his skin looks leathery. 

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Yeah, it's been, it's been 
almost a, a full week since the 

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Super Bowl, which we we debated 
here in the posting through a 

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newsroom about whether we should
cover it still. 

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But I do think, Jared, that we 
we invented the coverage on this

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to a degree in the sense that we
covered the MAGA butt rock 

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phenomenon a while back. 
We picked it up right away the 

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second that and I'm going to lay
out a timeline for this just to 

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recap everybody in a second, But
like the second Jack Posobik was

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like he thinks maybe we should 
do a Super Bowl and I who knows,

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maybe Creed will play. 
We were on that shit. 

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We. 
We. 

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We gave our audition tape even 
you know people have been here 

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with us for a little bit. 
Will remember the butt rock song

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with. 
Yes, our our subscriber base has

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grown substantially since then, 
but like all the real heads have

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been from the beginning out, the
new people are heads too. 

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But the the people who are there
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top of the Super Bowl story a 
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And so they did it. 
It was like, you know, they did 

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it like the moon landing, like 
they made it happen. 

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We know you also for people who 
are following that, then we know

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that they wanted Creed was the 
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that Jack wanted Creed. 
That was like, yeah, so bad 

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dude. 
They want to Crete so bad. 

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Yeah, and and they and I. 
Remember right away we were 

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like, they're not getting Creed,
dude. 

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They're not. 
Just Creed's like, wait a 

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second, I don't know if I want 
to do this to myself. 

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Yeah, they did it. 
And I, I, I, I do think rather 

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than just like, punt the story 
and say, oh, it's old now. 

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It's been like almost a week. 
I actually think that the 

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story's gotten better since. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Because, because, because, 
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like if we just like done 
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instead of Steven Crowder, for 
example, we wouldn't have gotten

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the just the layers of takes. 
It's almost like, you know, when

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you hear like a Philip Glass 
song, like change key and like 

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start to break down, like the 
song, like composition, you 

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know, it's like that. 
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ascending. 
It's like it's kind of this new 

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thing over rolling over the 
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And I think it is very revealing
of how this sort of racist right

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operates, what they're capable 
of, what they want to do. 

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And also to some extent, there 
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So there there's both a positive
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And I think we'll get to that 
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But I'm glad that we're we're 
we're covered in detail. 

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Yeah, we're going to be staying 
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because they've already, they've
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going to do it again next year. 
And I don't know if that's a 

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good idea, but I'll talk about 
that in a second. 

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I just want to remind everybody 
how we got to the point where 

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Turning Point USA hosted an 
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aired against the Super Bowl of 
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So September 28th last year. 
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Rock Nation, those are the 
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halftime show. 
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They announced that Bad Bunny 
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halftime show. 
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fronts. 1 Bad Bunny is the 
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world right now. 
But what stuck with MAGA was the

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fact that Bad Bunny is not 
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He's an outspoken advocate for 
minority communities and perhaps

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what stuck with most of their 
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He performs his music in 
Spanish. 

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He also dressed in drag like 
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Yeah. 
Which is true of Steven Crowder.

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But but you know, they, you 
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offense to that because I think 
Bad Bunny looked good in it. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
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as this was announced, mega 
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outrage. 
This was ridiculous. 

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This was crazy. 
Like, how could they do this? 

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It's UN American, Despite the 
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Rican. 
Puerto Rico is AUS territory, 

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right? 
But he's not white, right? 

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That's this. 
That's the not so subtle subtext

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of calling it UN American the 
way I see it. 

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Yeah, there's also the context 
of, you know, growing anger over

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Trump's immigration policies, 
which have which were, as we've 

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discussed many times on the 
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very popular, I think you can 
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the to the election in 2024 
November and and then 

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afterwards, but it has been a 
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And then you have this guy who 
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against against ICE we and then 
as as it built towards the 

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actual thing. 
And I know, I know you're guy. 

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We we're going to go to that. 
Like he his association with 

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anti ice rhetoric became bigger 
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I think in the culture people 
get more familiar with it. 

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Yeah, I also just want to throw 
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really relevant to why Bad Bunny
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he is the biggest * in the 
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The top streaming artist of last
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Yeah, I. 
Huge. 

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I mean almost impossible to 
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is. 
The NFL, like a lot of American 

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sports enterprises, whatever you
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break into new markets. 
They're trying to take the sport

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international. 
NASCAR's doing the same thing. 

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They've been looking at entities
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from, you know, foreign backed 
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Formula One, for example, has 
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NASCAR is not happy about that. 
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The NFL is kind of doing the 
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So having a internationally 
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markets they're looking at, you 
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Latin America and that sort of 
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sense. 
So anyway, that's September 

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28th. 
September 29th, our boy Jack 

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Posobik starts floating out the 
idea that maybe TPUSA would put 

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together an alternative halftime
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September 29th said sure. 
Would be a shame if TPUSA hosted

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a counter Super Bowl halftime 
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Creed, by the way. 
Yeah, Mike, do you want to 

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explain Jack Pozobic's 
infatuation with Creed? 

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So like if anybody knows how to 
do like an advanced search on X,

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it's not difficult. 
You just sort of the advanced 

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search thing and then you type 
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a search term and you heard 
Creed and you may like it's a 

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little janky there. 
So you may have to just click on

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like whatever it is most recent 
or whatever it is in order to 

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get the full list of some and 
just go through it and just see 

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how many times this motherfucker
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He is obsessed with this 
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I mean, and when I say they're 
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You know, Creed didn't show up 
at this thing. 

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You know, the, the whatever they
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They the the cover for like that
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probably the most cringe album 
cover I've ever seen. 

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But but Creed didn't ask to be 
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They just lived the life they 
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Yeah, they're. 
Just like exactly so so. 

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But he's he's obsessed. 
He goes to see Creed in concert 

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when they came back to do a 
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He repeatedly refers to Creed as
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ever. 
It's often mistaken in on the 

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Internet that Creed had a 
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They never did. 
They was just like a Dallas 

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Cowboys game. 
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It was one of the two 
Thanksgiving games in 2001. 

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One of the two. 
Daytime Thanksgiving is 2001. 

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I like that you knew that off 
the top of your head. 

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Yeah, well, I, I, I, you know, 
hey, look, this, you know, this,

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he was there. 
There's some research folks 

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here, the Jack Pacific and 
basically like the the reason 

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why people are nostalgic for the
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the fact that they are kind of 
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It is certainly a Christian 
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Is Scott Stapp or whatever his 
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jersey and was like really going
at it with the mic, like really 

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singing his butt rock songs with
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It seemed very, you know, 
wholesome football, like exactly

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the way these guys imagine 
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You know I should know Dallas 
Cowboys are pretty right wing 

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coated team as well. 
So the whole thing was a 

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perfect. 
Package I'm a a lifelong Cowboys

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fan and that is a hard fucking 
team to root for most of the 

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time. 
Most of the time what people are

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like, oh do you like sports? 
I'm just like, no. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's not 
St. 

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Louis Cardinals, the Dallas 
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Dude, it's it's not easy. 
Yeah, it's not like a, a slow 

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drip of poison like being a Jets
fan, but the. 

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Yeah, that's basically where it 
came from. 

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And he was I, I, you know, we 
have to imagine that behind the 

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scenes he was desperately 
courting Creed and trying to get

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it like, I'm your #1 fan and 
would you please play the, like,

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an alternative Super Bowl? 
And I'm sure that Creed is 

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looking at this and saying, 
like, you know, we have to take 

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into account we have some fans 
who are not like, crazy 

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cultists, right? 
Like, we probably have some. 

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We don't want to be pigeonholed 
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Any band that could make some 
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Jared would be reluctant.