So now we're back with Emma Jacomas second episode when
those guys are back from their. Trip in Paris.
Yeah, trip to Paris and back. I don't know, was it the Paris
in France or was it Paris in United States?
Because they also have a bunch of Paris up there.
And so we are back. It's the second episode with
Emma Jacomas. Stay tuned, because it will be a
lot of menswear stuff, a lot of different other stuff.
Yeah, a lot, yeah. But how is it in Paris then?
How you could describe it? How do I Yeah, well, in Paris is
a little bit a jungle, I have to say, of so many, because also
it's the fashion, kind of like the fashion.
Yeah. Is it like in those American
Hollywood movies, scarves? What's the the Netflix show a
million? Paris 1,000,000 Paris yeah,
yeah, yeah, We all have a little bit of it with obviously a very.
Yeah, you're triggered, right? Now a little bit triggered.
Can you see my eye? Touching, but there's a lot of
stereotypes. Yeah, a lot of stereotypes, but
I would say that if you really. Like science fiction?
This. Exactly a little bit, yeah.
But well, actually I would. OK, so I'm going to answer this
question because it's a very complex question because it has
to do with a lot of societal like, you know, how the society
is evolving and stuff. So it's AI think it's a almost
sociology. So it's a little bit difficult
to answer that. So I will answer it as a
Parisian living in the north now look so in in the Netherlands,
how people see actually the Parisian, Parisian style.
So we, we are more Parisian, especially women.
I find we are more into simplicity, but the simplicity
is very elegant. So for example, when I because I
always have my nails done and I always have my eyebrows on,
that's the two things that I can, I will never, never like.
It's that will always be done. My nails are all red, dark red
or a French manicure. That's it.
My makeup will never be more than what I'm wearing now.
That's it, right? So, and, yeah, and, and, and,
and a dress like a little black dress is a little black dress,
right? And you can make a few
accessories and stuff, but that's elegant.
So elegance is quiet, elegance is subtle and it doesn't have to
be over the top. So I think that that's maybe to
answer your question more like the Parisian flair would be that
there is a certain elegance that when I said to people that I'm
Parisian, they're like, Oh yeah, yeah.
You have the, you have the yeah, yeah.
OK. I can see you're Parisian
because you're very, you're subtle in the in the elegance.
You just made me realize something.
Actually that's I always thought that I was not really attracted
by this Parisian elegance, but actually that's what I'm looking
for everywhere I'm going. This quietness, quiet and
disgrace in, in the simplicity and so on.
That's very true. So.
So is it regular to see men well dressed or in suits in Paris on
the streets? It's a rough environment.
That's that's what she said. Actually, that's because it's
difficult. To do as well always under a tie
and in a shirt and a full suit. Not so casual.
So is it is it typical or is she no is even like sticking out
there? So it depends in OK, well in
Paris it depends in which area you.
Are because we're living in the bubble, and when I see guys in
Paris on all those events, they're always so fancy.
Yeah. So again, I feel like that's why
I was talking about the sociologic kind of side of it
because of, you know. We started sociology.
Really. Did you?
Yeah, for four years. Well, there you go.
So you understand where I'm coming from.
So obviously is what you try to portray from a city.
So obviously Paris is the the capital of fashion and stuff.
And you can see definitely in some areas of Paris, especially
the more rich or the more, yeah, the more rich areas like the
first district, like the. Safest area?
Yeah, yeah. Then you can see much, much more
men in suits and stuff as soon as you go away from those areas
and you just go in the you know, like the the people, like just
normal working class people, which I am a part of, by the
way, because that's also something that we also need to
say. It's not because you're you're
wearing suits and you actually have that sensitivity for a
beautiful wear that you directly are rich.
And like, no, that's not the point, right?
That's that's the whole other subject as a very sociologic,
but so how it's portrayed is not necessarily how it is lived
every day. If you go in certain areas and
if you go to certain events, certain bars, certains, then
then yes, obviously you will see people that are that are more
well dressed. If you are more just just
walking around in Paris, you'll see everything.
It's a little bit of a jungle in Paris.
So you'll see every. So you like more the
Scandinavian look? Yes, I can stop, absolutely.
I love, but I love Scandinavia also in many other things.
I think that in terms of like quiet elegance, Scandinavia.
Is very, very quiet, yes. Yeah, but like, but you see it
in for example, so me and that comes also a little bit from my
dad, like the the also the sound systems and the, you know, Bong
and Olufsen, for example. Yeah.
So it's not, so it's not necessarily let's say the more
high tech and stuff, but it is a beautiful sound and it's about
the and it's about the elegance of the object, I mean audio.
Yes. Yeah, about the elegance of.
The object in the Scandinavian design like Volvo.
Yeah. Well, you see, but but what I
mean by that, it's just, it's just about the experience and
about the IT doesn't have to be. Exactly.
The extravagance. Extravagant.
Yeah. So I do love Scandinavia for
that. I do indeed love the
Scandinavian style, especially in the winter.
I love how people dress. Again, it's probably a
stereotype. Stereotype because I don't live
here yet, but it's so it might be a little bit of a stereotype
from my part. But what I can see and what I've
been seeing in Sweden, for example, or in in Scandinavia,
in Iceland, is that people are much more simple in what they
wear, but what they wear is quality, and that is a little.
Bit function as well. It function yeah and then ball
that's that's the line that's you know, you don't want to you
know you can see French people anywhere in the world when you
can see a backpack with cash well on it right that's.
Yeah, it's a brand. It's a sports brand.
I catch you, Yeah, but I can also see it in Poland.
Exactly. It's very, very practical, but
not very nice. Yeah, they're not like Fiella.
Oven. Right, exactly.
It's like they are doing some tricks.
So there is so there is a fine line between practicality and
actually elegance in and something that is practical but
elegant. And I find that that the
Scandinavians have that that line very well, yeah, very well
defined in many, many different areas.
So yeah, they. Dress for their activity.
Yes. And I definitely like that about
Scandinavian style for sure, yeah.
Do you have some favorite current trends favoring trends?
Favorite trends yeah I oh is. There real trends.
Yeah. Are there really that?
We are still trying to figure that out to be honest.
Give me some examples. Yeah, I mean wider trousers for
example. More like wider lapels, loser.
I do like wider lapels, like that's something that.
Are you more on the Italian style or the English styles?
Yeah, I think well. Yeah, who's more stylist?
Because that's that's a trend Italian.
Man, Parisian man or Italian man?
Ah, that's a very beautiful question.
Because then it has to do with authenticity and attitude.
Yeah. And again, that's for me.
Because apparently there is a French tailoring style.
Yeah, well, yeah, which? Is not so well known because we,
we, we know that it's Italian tailoring, British tailoring in
America. But I feel like do you do you do
you can actually see someone that is Italian and someone that
is British in how they are and, and in their attitude.
Yeah, you can. The French guy is probably just
pouting in the back, you know? So, yeah, because, you know,
like there is the saying that French people, like Italian
people are happy French people, right?
So. French people are not happy.
No, well, I mean, Parisians, they're like a little bit like,
right, yes, so. You mean?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's that's why we value. Yeah, yeah, you, you, you said,
you said that Parisian people, they complain.
Oh. Yeah, no, but French people.
French people in general. We complain a lot, yes.
We just need, we're just, we're just born to complain.
Yeah, too much. That's a problem.
We spend our time complaining. Exactly.
Instead of doing something about it.
Exactly. And so back to the fact that
what I said earlier that to me the most important thing is how
you carry yourself in a suit and, and that makes that makes
it more beautiful, more attractive than than otherwise.
So I definitely prefer the Italians in that sense because
even when I was walking around in a suit, like Italian people
were like, oh, Vela, like they were just like, but genuine,
right? Genuine Like Oh my God, this is.
Really nice. And in France it was.
Oh, not. Again, well, no, they just, they
just, they just ignore you. Oh, OK.
Or they're just like, they just look from you, you know, like
it's just not the the culture of actually giving a compliment or
carrying yourself. It's just a different way of
carrying. Wait a minute.
Because in Paris there's this not in the street trend.
So you shouldn't compliment. I met a woman in the street.
Yes. No, Yeah.
It's a very wrongly scene if you even talk.
But I would say, you know. But I noticed that in Sweden,
actually guys, men compliment my outfits more often than women.
Yeah, but because. But that's different.
It's from a female perspective or male's perspective.
Would you go to women and tell her I love the way you dress?
Because I mean I. Would.
Yeah, exactly. You would, but yeah.
Maybe they they would think that it's some kind of, I don't know,
I want to rag her or something. Yeah, but that's the way of
flirting when you break exactly indefinitely, so.
Yeah. But that for to answer your
question, I would say Italian for for sure, just because of
how, but I think again, that's very cultural in how they carry
themselves and how they how they own who they are and how they
move. Yeah, they're very genuine.
Exactly. They're less stiff than English.
Exactly. And for me, that's that's the
number one thing of of elegance and of character anyway, because
you can, I mean, somebody can be extremely well dressed and also
in life can, you know, talk very well and you know, but like
character is what makes someone stand out or not to me.
You can be an like amazingly well dressed and stuff.
But if your character is not authentic, you know, then then
for me that doesn't that doesn't look good.
You know it. Doesn't matter what you have on.
So in that sense, Italians are just so much more, so much more
authentic. So I would definitely.
Do that might also come from your background because when
people are thinking that don't they when they don't know about
suit, they're always thinking about the suit that are very
British actually, yes, for sure. And when they start being more
advanced they learn about the Italian way.
Yeah. And then they are more into this
Italian thing. Yeah, but the way you feel
someone is, the attitude that is brought by the suiting or being
dressed up might also be influenced by the background
because I'm also coming from this more Mediterranean culture.
So I also feel that it's a bit more genuine, yeah.
But I don't know, maybe if you are more Nordic, maybe you feel
that it's better to have this. Exactly.
So that's why the I find those questions extremely interesting,
but. They tell a lot about you, more
than the whole thing should be. Absolutely, because we all look
at people and look at life and culture.
It's from our own reference, reference references and where
we come from. So obviously I would be more, I
would like something better than somebody else from, for example,
from the north or from, I don't know, from Iceland, for example,
that is really not used to seeing like the Italian
hospitality as something very genuine and authentic.
But they would see it as something like, Oh my God, too
much, you know, So they might prefer I don't know the English
or, you know, but in if you ask me as just image, then I would
definitely because I'm also extremely extroverts and and you
know that, but I really. Really, we didn't notice.
No, no, no, no, no, no. No, even me, I look super
Swedish today in comparison to you.
Oh. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. But we would like to have
details because we have, we have you here because we are, we are
two single men. We're going on dates and we
would like you to to tell us. I love.
Those questions, what is like the total eek when you meet a
guy and he's he, he comes on a date with something like, OK, we
said a lot about skinny jeans. I don't think we need to cover
it anymore because it's just something 100%.
Yes, if, if, if it's your first episode, guys, ick.
That's it. OK, go on.
Yeah, so. Is.
There something that is totally a no no.
No, no, no. I mean no.
A part of skinny jeans. Yeah, with.
Some trends that, OK, you've been here in Stockholm, I guess
that you've seen some men and do you think that men here are
wearing something maybe too often that is not?
There's a trend these days, Yeah, the I'd say the open
shoes, you know, like not flip flops necessarily, but with,
Yeah, exactly. With with socks.
Oh. Exactly.
And slides with short socks. Okay, no yeah so that's I've not
noticed, but that gives me the egg to imagine yeah, but I.
Mean Nike slides. Yeah, no.
So I mean, to answer your question, what would give me the
egg? Obviously.
Okay, skinny jeans. Again, I don't want to be mean
to anyone who actually or to men who like skinny jeans because I
mean, maybe you wear it in a way that is really good for you.
But what I've seen so far was no, not not my thing.
Yeah, unless you're rocker part of the band and you're on stage
with that. Exactly.
You are. No, you don't.
Obvious. Yeah, exactly.
So it's, it's, it's, it's whole, it's again, it's about like.
It's context. Yeah, it's context as well.
So I don't want to, you know, but for me personally, what I
like and what my sense, sensibility, sensitivity lies,
what would give me the woo, the ick.
Well, I mean, whatever you just described about this new trend
in Sweden, I'm not really sure about honestly.
I mean, Beerkin stocks, they're popular all over the world.
Yeah, yeah, no, that sucks. Yeah, No, I don't.
I don't like that. But for me, what would give me
the ick again? Is someone trying too hard or
not enough? Yeah, yeah.
So when, if you go on a date, obviously you want to dress
nice, right? But if you in your everyday life
don't wear suits or don't wear like nice trousers now nice
jackets and stuff. It's not you never happened.
I'm not wearing suits. Not ever.
Not. Ever look at?
Him. No.
No, no, guys, guys, you need to just watch our podcast on
YouTube and Spotify because there is a video if you don't
know. Yeah.
So I what would give me the ick is for example, a man that would
come in like let's say a three piece suit, but he never wears
suit normally. And if he's wearing a full tie,
yeah, like I'm like. Because because in that in that
moment, you will see that that man is just not comfortable in
what he's wearing. He's trying so hard.
Maybe he's just stressed because he likes the girl.
Yeah, exactly. I'm always stressed on all my
dates. Yeah, well, there you go.
But I would. Should have learned by now, yes.
Have you learned anything? Yeah, that it's easier.
Actually I read something on Internet recently that you have
60% more success rate when you take a drink before date.
That's a Polish. OK, guys, I don't know how it is
about the, the, the, the rules on YouTube, but the abuse of
alcohol is bad for health. So it's not.
It's not. Just Polish so it thinks that it
thinks that alcohol will solve all problems.
Just just yeah, they if yeah, they solve like they, they
resolve the the marriage. Yeah, I mean, it's translation
from Polish because you know the.
Alcoholic. Guys solve.
Problems solve all your. Problems, problems having to
solve problems and to like. Split in a marriage is the same
word in Polish. So yeah, but basically it's to
be chill. So you can be chill without
alcohol, yeah. No, but actually, I mean,
actually if you take what you just said and what you said just
before, you know, taking a drink before a date, meaning that you
actually kind of relax. Yeah.
So again, you're yourself.
What gives me the? Ick and even you talk better in
different languages. There you go.
Yeah.
So for me the ick in terms of menswear would be a guy that
dresses in a way that is just not him.
So if your way of dressing is not wearing suits at all
normally or just to go to your once a 2 month meetings with
your associates or whatever, I will see that right away.
Because what I think what I, but then again, maybe correct me if
I'm wrong guys, but I feel like women also can feel that and
sense that it's extremely, extremely fast that if you are
not genuine and if you're not completely like at like that,
you don't move the right way. You just.
Yeah, you're pretending. Thank you.
Yeah, we even had an episode about that, so we covered that
subject exactly. So and I think that that's the
major. Another, another question
because yeah. I love.
Let's let's get back to your dad because it just it just so, so
interesting. Are there any the strong
opinions your dad has about style that you completely
disagree with? Is there anything like?
That I would love to give you that tea, but no.
Yeah, sorry. Yeah, no.
Why that's not, and I would say that's not in the spirit of of
what your Father is transmitting also because.
Your father. Is educating, but he's never
letting himself against. Exactly, I think, I think no,
exactly I think. But I think that's a brilliant
question for that matter, because my dad, and that's how
he raised me, I mean period. But also how I was how I arrived
in this, in this in our world, is that he didn't tell me what I
could and couldn't do. And my dad, I mean, in how he is
with me, but, and how I can see him with people and also in with
his YouTube channel and everything.
Obviously there are a lot of rules and there are a lot of
things that are so important to know.
And it's just about heritage. And it's about respect and
respect of craftsmanship and of the, the art of the move, of the
not the movement, the gesture, the gesture.
Yeah, the art of the gesture and what's what is behind what
you're purchasing and everything and and the heritage and the
traditions. But I I don't have anything that
he thinks is great. And I think it's like a no go
just also because of how he raised me in that that you are
you and you interpret and you live the the sartorial style and
suits and everything the way you want to.
And there is no yeah, I I couldn't judge what somebody
else finds absolutely gorgeous. Because that's what your father,
your father has always brought behind all the knowledge he has
brought. And that's probably also your
heritage because you are still learning many things and it's
difficult to be as knowledgeable as your father.
But what he's bringing is, and you were talking about educating
people, but it's like he's talking a lot about beauty,
about manners and all those things.
They are values. For me, that's, that is one
thing actually coming back to your, to what you told me
earlier, what you asked me earlier, what would give me the
major ick is the lack of elegance and the lack of manners
in a man so you can be dressed. We were talking about this
privately yesterday. I think about about some man
manners between man. Absolutely.
Different cultures. Absolutely.
And I mean for me that is the number, probably the number one
thing to be very honest. And that is indeed what my dad
is talking about a lot about being a gentleman and being a
gentleman. For me is has, I mean, it is so
much more than how you dress. It's just genuinely, are you a
gentleman? Are you yourself a gentleman?
And it has to do with manners, it has to do with good.
Values. Yeah.
What are your values in? Yeah, your values and how you
treat someone else, not only a woman, but also just people in
general. How do you treat them?
This is actually something that I read about how to spot some
narcissist or psychopaths on a date.
Absolutely. How they treat a server, a taxi
driver, Absolutely. People, yeah.
And how they talk about their ex also.
You know, yes, you. Can learn a lot about someone,
how he talks about people he was connected to in the past.
Yes, he can talk, talk in a so wrong way.
And it goes both ways, to be honest, male and female.
If you can talk so wrong about, I mean, if you're separated with
someone, it's because obviously it was not going well.
Yeah, but the way you behave then and the way you talk about
those people tells it's about. Accountability, right?
Yeah, exactly. It's about it's about
accountability, about self reflection.
So obviously what you say indeed is that how you talk about
someone and, and, and if we come back to being a gentleman is
about how you you talk about people when they're not here,
how you talk about your friends when they're not here.
How you talk about your woman, for example, when she's not
here. How, for example, I would talk
about my father. If he's not here, I'd go to war.
If anybody says anything for me that like, you know what I mean?
Like it's just, it's just about how you, the accountability of
your own part when you're talking about a relationship,
your responsibility, obviously you can be in.
I mean, a lot of people have been in abusive relationships
and you absolutely should be, you know, like be loud with
people around you about what you've been through for sure.
But there is a certain level of self reflection and of not
putting everything on someone else.
And that shows character at the moment.
You can have self reflection. And then that to me that shows a
great deal about like we're talking about a man then a man
that has self that that have that knows himself well enough
to say, OK, I was wrong on this. I was wrong on that.
I'm trying to be better. This is where I am right now.
That for me is so much more attractive than someone.
It's where you place your ego. Yeah, exactly.
It's all indeed. It's all about ego.
And how about how you? Carry yourself.
It's not about destroying ego because we are this.
We're hearing a lot that ego is wrong by default, and I would
say no. Ego can drive you far, but it's
where you place it. Yeah, and it's also, it can, it
can actually, it can protect you in a way, you know, like you're
trying, you're protecting yourself as well.
And again, it has nothing to do with not being able to say you
were a victim of abuse. For example, in, in, in in in a
bad. Yeah, being a victim is never
good. No, but I mean you can say that
you were a victim because actually it makes you
vulnerability also makes you strong as a man to be able to
say that really hurt me. And you know, like I like that.
That was really painful for me and it was a really hard
experience. But what you do with it is what
makes your character to me. So you can acknowledging the
fact that you that you have pain, that you cry, that you,
you know, like this is this for me is extremely masculine.
Let's it's one of the things that's the most masculine, I
think vulnerability. But the the biggest difference,
and you see that in first dates and stuff like that is what you
do with it. And that shows me if you're a
gentleman or not, if you're if you have the right character or
not. Is your accountability how you
can look at yourself in the mirror and be like, OK, OK, what
are we going to do about this? Are we going to ignore this?
Are we going to try to distract ourselves or are we going to
just look at ourselves in the mirror?
But, but so being a gentleman, is it just reserved to men or is
it because we're seeing gentleman as if it was only a
rule for men? Can it be applied to women as
well? Can women be a gentleman in that
regard? That's I think then then we're
talking about masculinity and femininity.
And I think that's those are two things that are.
Be a lady more I would say to be a lady I.
Would say yeah to be a lady, but was.
It to be a lady then, because those values that we give to men
and gentlemen, we can be applied to any human being.
One of my favorite things to talk about guys, I love that.
But that's then we're talking about femininity and
masculinity. Exactly.
And that for me is, is so your question was, can a woman be
masculine in that way? You know, I think society has
made very, very masculine women as well, because we have to be
also strong in that sense to also protect our protect
ourselves. But, and but that again, and I
don't want to say this as this is the truth, right, guys like
this is, I mean, this is my truth.
This is what I, I think personally, that's, these are my
values. But you can't, you may disagree
completely, but to me, yes, absolutely a woman can have that
as one. I think it's also, especially as
a single woman, it's, it protects you as well to have
that kind of masculinity, to have that kind of, you know,
like to protect yourself and protect your ego and protect all
of this and just protect yourself for sure.
But if we're talking about masculinity and femininity, I
think masculine and feminine need each other to grow.
Again, I'm not saying that man and woman, I'm not not talking
about that kind of, I'm just talking about that the masculine
needs the feminine and the feminine needs the masculine.
And I think that that would be that it's a beautiful.
You were complementary. Yes, absolutely.
So for me, for example, if I'm just bringing it back to me,
Emma Jacombe, please do. If I'm bringing it just back to
me, for me to be completely in my feminine energy, then I need
someone that is so in in their masculine energy.
And that's again we can talk about what is really
masculinity. That's a whole other subject.
But they're masculine energy so that I can be safe enough to be
feminine, to be in the more like, you know, the nurturing
and everything. And again, it doesn't mean women
only men can also be nurturing. Absolutely.
That's not even. Yeah.
But I mean, to be feminine you need to have a strong masculine,
you know, so. Yeah, and I was asking this
because we are talking in masculinity and this is the
topic that we are often talking about.
But for once we have a woman, so it's even more interesting and
we can go deeper in that there is in masculinity.
We often think about virility, you know, and that's the thing
being viral. And I'm not sure about the
translation in English, but it is manly.
It would be or manhood. OK, what it is Viril in?
But. But that's the thing, because
the. Manly, manly.
Yeah, but that's the thing, It doesn't really work in English
because manly means being a man, but virility in French is
derived from another meaning, which means standing straight.
Yeah. And everyone, whether you're a
man or a woman, can stand straight, can be straight in
front of everything that happens to you.
Absolutely yes. You can be a woman is like be a
man you. Know exactly exactly, but that
there is a very big that something that gives me the ache
a lot the be a man. What does what what do you mean
be a man man up. What do you what do you what do
you actually mean right, because so virility in French indeed has
a lot to do with being strong being but masculinity.
How about, I mean, masculinity is also like I said before, it's
about also self reflection is about acknowledging your
emotions as well about acknowledging, acknowledging a
lot of things. Actually, that's for me, that's
masculinity. If you can actually have this
self reflection, acknowledge what what you've been through,
what you're going through, what your emotions are and what
you're going to do with it. For me, that's masculinity.
So it has nothing to do with whether or not you cry, whether
or not you you can, you can strangle an alligator with your
bare hands. That has nothing to do with how
much money. You make nothing to do with
clothes. It has nothing to do with no.
It has nothing to do with how much money.
You make so we're talking about clothes for.
No, no, no clothes. How much money you make, I said.
That doesn't matter at all. Masculinity for me.
So virility masculinity is the the, the and again, well, now
we're talking very we're talking about men and women.
Obviously, I do believe that that can also apply to same sex
that can it can apply to that absolutely.
But now just I just want to say that because I don't want to
offend anybody, but for the sake of what we're just talking about
now about men and women. And in my case, for me, I feel
like if you're talking about a a man that is in that sense manly
virility is it can be a very destructive kind of word.
Man up be a man. All of that can be extremely
destructive to the masculine. Why?
Because then you you feed into what the society think like the
very old society think of what a man should be strong and blah,
blah, blah, emotionless and stuff.
You've heard that a lot, right? No, to me, what actual
masculinity is. And you see on 1st dates, you
see that, you know, it's the authenticity of, of a man, the
ability to recognize everything, to recognize what you're going
through, to recognize you because men have emotions as
well. That's my, that's me being a
pedagogue and that's me being an, an, an educator.
You know, men have emotions as well, obviously.
We're. Not.
Obvious animals can have emotions, so men can.
Absolutely. And that's completely OK.
To have to acknowledge, to, to take in, to focus on, to
release, that is completely OK. The masculine, what we need as
feminines, the feminine energy to be able to be feminine in
this world because we have built so many very masculine women.
And I honestly, I'm a bit one of them to be very honest.
That was my next question. Oh my God, as as as as a single
woman. I feel that it's bringing it
brings up your masculinity, but that that that's my my question
about what and I'm I'm then you will be able to intervene.
To wrap it up, because we cannot.
One landstorm, men's wear and women's wear, because maybe your
masculinity also makes you like to dress up a bit more manly.
But if you wanted to have your feminine attribute really put
having the advantage of them, would you rather do that in a a
men's suit, even though it's going to be adapted to you and
to your shapes, or this little black dress that you mentioned?
Before. That's a very good question.
Actually. I think that if it's, I think it
can be extremely feminine, like a suit can be extremely
feminine. If it's well cut, it's well
made. That could be really beautiful.
So and it can be very feminine. Although I'm Parisian, so a
little black dress. I, I don't know if it will
always win the race, but it might.
But a very well a very well cut suit for women, for women's
attribute can actually be extremely feminine.
But it has to be. Superbly cut.
Yes, well, it has to be. The prototypes have to be made
for women as well, you know, and that's what we miss a lot, you
know, it's all the, the the prototypes are made for men a
lot. And then we kind of tweak them
for women. But if if you go from women's
kind bodies and then that's that's, that would be, that
would be a beautiful evolution of, of our sartorial world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.
That it can be very feminine. Absolutely.
So exactly what what we thought would happen happen is that 2
French people talk too much. Oh, and how is like to be
beating us? Yeah, no, I mean we just went to
different subjects and. OK, well, do you?
Have any other I I was just thinking that I need to edit it
later so so we. Were seeing all the hours of.
Any kind of substance, I'm going to say something also.
So going going back to my my father.
I am exactly like my father. I never, I never prepare
anything. My dad often doesn't either.
We can talk. We can talk.
We can, we can go. Yeah, we can.
We can absolutely talk. And that's very French.
That's extremely French. We can just.
He's always saying that I'm talking too much.
Then we may. Too.
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that's great.
But you know, actually that's a very beautiful thing.
Post. I'm going to bring in post OK,
I'm Oh yeah, you know, post a Rochelle de Comper do so.
Post is it's a French writer. It's a philosophy.
I mean, it's, it's one of the, I mean, I.
It's one of the greatest of the last century.
Yes. Post and sailing maybe?
Yeah, post is. He talked about that.
Actually, my father talked about this not long ago.
You can digress. Digressing is one of the most
beautiful thing there is. That's why we love pose.
That's why we love philosophy, right?
You digress. You continue.
But. You just pronounce it
differently. Prost.
Oh, there. You go, but the the key is to
know where you started. So you kind of like put pause in
your mind, which I is what I do a lot.
So you put pause on your mind as to where the question started.
You can digress all you want and then you say, OK, back to your
question and then that's. No, but you, you are great with
this. That's that's that's what how
philosophy is kind of built. That's what we love to do.
Sitting on the cafe and and making the word right is what we
do best. Exactly so, and that's what my
father was indeed talking about. That digressing is wonderful as
long as you know how to come back.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Let's come back then.
Let's let's come back, yes. Looking at at the hours you need
to place a meme on his head. You know, like with this all
this you need to geometry stuff appearing in the back of your
head. Like the digressing, We will
digress and come back, but you need to.
Yeah, yeah. Always the one that comes back
and you're just going somewhere. We were back, but you didn't
notice. Yeah.
All right. Are we rapping or do you want
that? We talk 10 more minutes about
politics. Senator, No, no, we're rapping.
You don't have any other questions?
No, I no, no, I had all the. Questions.
The French beat the the Polish. Yeah, he cannot handle it.
We are, we are philosophers. Cannot wait that we are going on
the journey in Paris and we are starting talking with other
influencers and with all the people in this and it's going to
be like guys, you have 10 minutes Max, that's it.
But. I mean, you're also you're also
more a bit a bit more mathematical or or more.
No, it needs to have some structure exactly.
I need to build this structure later.
Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. The French podcast.
Yeah. Exactly the French episode.
Guys, that was a rap. We we covered even dating as
always, as almost always know, like some women stuff, some
menswear stuff, some growing up with a Parisian gentleman.
That was pretty interesting for me.
How how how it was. But because, you know, in in
today's world, we don't have this figures.
Actually a lot of people, a lot of guys, they don't even know
how to tie a tie. And you had someone that knew
all of it, but you're a girl. So your dad couldn't even give
those advices to to a guy. So, but so now we have a now we
have a girl in a suit. Can I can?
I can I disclaim something? This is a big secret I don't
know. We will not tell anyone.
You know why? Because OK, this is so I know it
can. It can sound so crazy.
I love when someone ties a tie for me.
I think it's just the sweetest thing.
So when I go to my dad, I'm like, Papa, can you do it for
me? Or Sonia can.
Yes, you have a. Friend does it.
Even this real on Instagram you have it.
Yes, exactly. I, I find it such.
So no, I, I, I don't necessarily.
I mean, I could do it, but I don't necessarily want to
because I love when someone does it for me.
Yeah, that's nice for you. Know the daughter of Paris and
gentlemen does not know how to tie and tie everyone.
Four in hand. No Windsor.
Yeah, I can barely tie, bow tie. It takes me forever, so it's
alright. I did that.
I learn how to tie a bow tie just before my wedding.
Did. Oh yeah.
Did you? Were you never wearing it
before? No.
Why? Yeah, exactly.
Exactly, Yeah. No, but we're not pretending.
I mean, that's true. If you don't do it all the time,
what would you know exactly? It was my first, you know, bow
tie to tie by yourself. Like you know those before I had
those pre tied. So those fake ones.
Yeah. And actually women, they, Sonia
taught, taught me this, that you, I'll have to, to find the
name of that, of that, of that tie knot that you can go 2 times
around so that it's shorter. Because for women that's
something that is. Also for me.
Shorts so long. It's the same.
There are two you go 2/2 times and you you can choose Prince
Albert. That's it.
The Prince Albert. That's the one I always.
Do or the OR the double. So Prince Albert is just double.
Yeah, but Prince Albert, you can see, you can see the other that
is 2. Yes, and I love that.
I think that's. 44 in hand, you cannot see, so you choose the
other. Whole.
Exactly, Prince Albert, That's exactly the one I was looking
for. Even Windsor use more of the.
Top yes, that's. True.
But Windsor is very. Beautiful as well.
I think the Winston that that's also very, that's also.
More of like maybe military because it's symmetric.
Yeah, exactly. It's a bit bulky for my taste.
Yeah. And when you ask someone to tie
your tie for you, then you, then they do it the way they like to
do it. So I have like a Reel on
Instagram where my dad puts it a little bit asymmetrical.
Then I have one of my friend that does it a little bit more
tied. I love that it comes back to me
wearing things from people I love.
It's just. Exactly.
Just to take from people, that's very nice.
OK, Emma, thank you. It was, it was a lot of
information about psychology, about clothes, about growing up,
even some different cultures, some about Paris, some something
about France and even Stockholm. Yeah.
And that's interesting to be
able to talk about those things with someone real like you.
So it was a pleasure, yeah. Thank you guys for having.
Thank you and see you at PT in. General Yeah, exactly.
Let's go to PT. You're not getting rid of me.
Thank you. Bye, guys.
Bye, Chow Chow. Chow, guys.
OK.