1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,320 So now we're back with Emma Jacomas second episode when 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,120 those guys are back from their. Trip in Paris. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,360 Yeah, trip to Paris and back. I don't know, was it the Paris 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,000 in France or was it Paris in United States? 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,360 Because they also have a bunch of Paris up there. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,280 And so we are back. It's the second episode with 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Emma Jacomas. Stay tuned, because it will be a 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,840 lot of menswear stuff, a lot of different other stuff. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,080 Yeah, a lot, yeah. But how is it in Paris then? 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:40,800 How you could describe it? How do I Yeah, well, in Paris is 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,240 a little bit a jungle, I have to say, of so many, because also 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,160 it's the fashion, kind of like the fashion. 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Yeah. Is it like in those American 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:55,720 Hollywood movies, scarves? What's the the Netflix show a 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,800 million? Paris 1,000,000 Paris yeah, 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,760 yeah, yeah, We all have a little bit of it with obviously a very. 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,680 Yeah, you're triggered, right? Now a little bit triggered. 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 Can you see my eye? Touching, but there's a lot of 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,720 stereotypes. Yeah, a lot of stereotypes, but 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,200 I would say that if you really. Like science fiction? 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,880 This. Exactly a little bit, yeah. 22 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,680 But well, actually I would. OK, so I'm going to answer this 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,640 question because it's a very complex question because it has 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,520 to do with a lot of societal like, you know, how the society 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,160 is evolving and stuff. So it's AI think it's a almost 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,240 sociology. So it's a little bit difficult 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,800 to answer that. So I will answer it as a 28 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,440 Parisian living in the north now look so in in the Netherlands, 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,040 how people see actually the Parisian, Parisian style. 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,920 So we, we are more Parisian, especially women. 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:02:01,320 I find we are more into simplicity, but the simplicity 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,600 is very elegant. So for example, when I because I 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,800 always have my nails done and I always have my eyebrows on, 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,240 that's the two things that I can, I will never, never like. 35 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,240 It's that will always be done. My nails are all red, dark red 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,000 or a French manicure. That's it. 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,560 My makeup will never be more than what I'm wearing now. 38 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,720 That's it, right? So, and, yeah, and, and, and, 39 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,440 and a dress like a little black dress is a little black dress, 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:34,960 right? And you can make a few 41 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,840 accessories and stuff, but that's elegant. 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:42,360 So elegance is quiet, elegance is subtle and it doesn't have to 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,600 be over the top. So I think that that's maybe to 44 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,400 answer your question more like the Parisian flair would be that 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,280 there is a certain elegance that when I said to people that I'm 46 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,840 Parisian, they're like, Oh yeah, yeah. 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,640 You have the, you have the yeah, yeah. 48 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:01,920 OK. I can see you're Parisian 49 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,720 because you're very, you're subtle in the in the elegance. 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,640 You just made me realize something. 51 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:14,840 Actually that's I always thought that I was not really attracted 52 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,000 by this Parisian elegance, but actually that's what I'm looking 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,560 for everywhere I'm going. This quietness, quiet and 54 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,280 disgrace in, in the simplicity and so on. 55 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,600 That's very true. So. 56 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:33,440 So is it regular to see men well dressed or in suits in Paris on 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,560 the streets? It's a rough environment. 58 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,440 That's that's what she said. Actually, that's because it's 59 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,400 difficult. To do as well always under a tie 60 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,520 and in a shirt and a full suit. Not so casual. 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,880 So is it is it typical or is she no is even like sticking out 62 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,440 there? So it depends in OK, well in 63 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Paris it depends in which area you. 64 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,680 Are because we're living in the bubble, and when I see guys in 65 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,520 Paris on all those events, they're always so fancy. 66 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Yeah. So again, I feel like that's why 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,280 I was talking about the sociologic kind of side of it 68 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,360 because of, you know. We started sociology. 69 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,160 Really. Did you? 70 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,240 Yeah, for four years. Well, there you go. 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,880 So you understand where I'm coming from. 72 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,960 So obviously is what you try to portray from a city. 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,760 So obviously Paris is the the capital of fashion and stuff. 74 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,440 And you can see definitely in some areas of Paris, especially 75 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,040 the more rich or the more, yeah, the more rich areas like the 76 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,560 first district, like the. Safest area? 77 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,840 Yeah, yeah. Then you can see much, much more 78 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:51,840 men in suits and stuff as soon as you go away from those areas 79 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,760 and you just go in the you know, like the the people, like just 80 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,200 normal working class people, which I am a part of, by the 81 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,400 way, because that's also something that we also need to 82 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,960 say. It's not because you're you're 83 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,360 wearing suits and you actually have that sensitivity for a 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,000 beautiful wear that you directly are rich. 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,640 And like, no, that's not the point, right? 86 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,400 That's that's the whole other subject as a very sociologic, 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,080 but so how it's portrayed is not necessarily how it is lived 88 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,560 every day. If you go in certain areas and 89 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,760 if you go to certain events, certain bars, certains, then 90 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,760 then yes, obviously you will see people that are that are more 91 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,520 well dressed. If you are more just just 92 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,240 walking around in Paris, you'll see everything. 93 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,880 It's a little bit of a jungle in Paris. 94 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,600 So you'll see every. So you like more the 95 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,960 Scandinavian look? Yes, I can stop, absolutely. 96 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,720 I love, but I love Scandinavia also in many other things. 97 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:56,040 I think that in terms of like quiet elegance, Scandinavia. 98 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,960 Is very, very quiet, yes. Yeah, but like, but you see it 99 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:04,680 in for example, so me and that comes also a little bit from my 100 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,080 dad, like the the also the sound systems and the, you know, Bong 101 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,160 and Olufsen, for example. Yeah. 102 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,000 So it's not, so it's not necessarily let's say the more 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,240 high tech and stuff, but it is a beautiful sound and it's about 104 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,760 the and it's about the elegance of the object, I mean audio. 105 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,120 Yes. Yeah, about the elegance of. 106 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,520 The object in the Scandinavian design like Volvo. 107 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Yeah. Well, you see, but but what I 108 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,040 mean by that, it's just, it's just about the experience and 109 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 about the IT doesn't have to be. Exactly. 110 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,680 The extravagance. Extravagant. 111 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,760 Yeah. So I do love Scandinavia for 112 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,880 that. I do indeed love the 113 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Scandinavian style, especially in the winter. 114 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,840 I love how people dress. Again, it's probably a 115 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,400 stereotype. Stereotype because I don't live 116 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,480 here yet, but it's so it might be a little bit of a stereotype 117 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,960 from my part. But what I can see and what I've 118 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,640 been seeing in Sweden, for example, or in in Scandinavia, 119 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,520 in Iceland, is that people are much more simple in what they 120 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,000 wear, but what they wear is quality, and that is a little. 121 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,200 Bit function as well. It function yeah and then ball 122 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,800 that's that's the line that's you know, you don't want to you 123 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,040 know you can see French people anywhere in the world when you 124 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,040 can see a backpack with cash well on it right that's. 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,040 Yeah, it's a brand. It's a sports brand. 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,280 I catch you, Yeah, but I can also see it in Poland. 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,560 Exactly. It's very, very practical, but 128 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,080 not very nice. Yeah, they're not like Fiella. 129 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Oven. Right, exactly. 130 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,480 It's like they are doing some tricks. 131 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,280 So there is so there is a fine line between practicality and 132 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,280 actually elegance in and something that is practical but 133 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,720 elegant. And I find that that the 134 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Scandinavians have that that line very well, yeah, very well 135 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,720 defined in many, many different areas. 136 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,120 So yeah, they. Dress for their activity. 137 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,280 Yes. And I definitely like that about 138 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Scandinavian style for sure, yeah. 139 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:08,320 Do you have some favorite current trends favoring trends? 140 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760 Favorite trends yeah I oh is. There real trends. 141 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,000 Yeah. Are there really that? 142 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,640 We are still trying to figure that out to be honest. 143 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,960 Give me some examples. Yeah, I mean wider trousers for 144 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,120 example. More like wider lapels, loser. 145 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,960 I do like wider lapels, like that's something that. 146 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,240 Are you more on the Italian style or the English styles? 147 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,440 Yeah, I think well. Yeah, who's more stylist? 148 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Because that's that's a trend Italian. 149 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,559 Man, Parisian man or Italian man? 150 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,120 Ah, that's a very beautiful question. 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,000 Because then it has to do with authenticity and attitude. 152 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Yeah. And again, that's for me. 153 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,960 Because apparently there is a French tailoring style. 154 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:57,040 Yeah, well, yeah, which? Is not so well known because we, 155 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,400 we, we know that it's Italian tailoring, British tailoring in 156 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,200 America. But I feel like do you do you do 157 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,680 you can actually see someone that is Italian and someone that 158 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,360 is British in how they are and, and in their attitude. 159 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,560 Yeah, you can. The French guy is probably just 160 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:18,240 pouting in the back, you know? So, yeah, because, you know, 161 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,400 like there is the saying that French people, like Italian 162 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,320 people are happy French people, right? 163 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,360 So. French people are not happy. 164 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,080 No, well, I mean, Parisians, they're like a little bit like, 165 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,600 right, yes, so. You mean? 166 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,680 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 167 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,200 That's that's why we value. Yeah, yeah, you, you, you said, 168 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,520 you said that Parisian people, they complain. 169 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,800 Oh. Yeah, no, but French people. 170 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,000 French people in general. We complain a lot, yes. 171 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,480 We just need, we're just, we're just born to complain. 172 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,800 Yeah, too much. That's a problem. 173 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,880 We spend our time complaining. Exactly. 174 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,600 Instead of doing something about it. 175 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,960 Exactly. And so back to the fact that 176 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,800 what I said earlier that to me the most important thing is how 177 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,040 you carry yourself in a suit and, and that makes that makes 178 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,520 it more beautiful, more attractive than than otherwise. 179 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,360 So I definitely prefer the Italians in that sense because 180 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,840 even when I was walking around in a suit, like Italian people 181 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,560 were like, oh, Vela, like they were just like, but genuine, 182 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,120 right? Genuine Like Oh my God, this is. 183 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,080 Really nice. And in France it was. 184 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Oh, not. Again, well, no, they just, they 185 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,600 just, they just ignore you. Oh, OK. 186 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,400 Or they're just like, they just look from you, you know, like 187 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,760 it's just not the the culture of actually giving a compliment or 188 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,320 carrying yourself. It's just a different way of 189 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,280 carrying. Wait a minute. 190 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,400 Because in Paris there's this not in the street trend. 191 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,120 So you shouldn't compliment. I met a woman in the street. 192 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Yes. No, Yeah. 193 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,640 It's a very wrongly scene if you even talk. 194 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,480 But I would say, you know. But I noticed that in Sweden, 195 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,000 actually guys, men compliment my outfits more often than women. 196 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,520 Yeah, but because. But that's different. 197 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,400 It's from a female perspective or male's perspective. 198 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Would you go to women and tell her I love the way you dress? 199 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:09,840 Because I mean I. Would. 200 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Yeah, exactly. You would, but yeah. 201 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,520 Maybe they they would think that it's some kind of, I don't know, 202 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,800 I want to rag her or something. Yeah, but that's the way of 203 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,680 flirting when you break exactly indefinitely, so. 204 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,280 Yeah. But that for to answer your 205 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,840 question, I would say Italian for for sure, just because of 206 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:35,760 how, but I think again, that's very cultural in how they carry 207 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:42,080 themselves and how they how they own who they are and how they 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,040 move. Yeah, they're very genuine. 209 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,880 Exactly. They're less stiff than English. 210 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Exactly. And for me, that's that's the 211 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,960 number one thing of of elegance and of character anyway, because 212 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,520 you can, I mean, somebody can be extremely well dressed and also 213 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:01,560 in life can, you know, talk very well and you know, but like 214 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,000 character is what makes someone stand out or not to me. 215 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,640 You can be an like amazingly well dressed and stuff. 216 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:15,400 But if your character is not authentic, you know, then then 217 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,760 for me that doesn't that doesn't look good. 218 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,760 You know it. Doesn't matter what you have on. 219 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,760 So in that sense, Italians are just so much more, so much more 220 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,600 authentic. So I would definitely. 221 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Do that might also come from your background because when 222 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:36,160 people are thinking that don't they when they don't know about 223 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,680 suit, they're always thinking about the suit that are very 224 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,480 British actually, yes, for sure. And when they start being more 225 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,520 advanced they learn about the Italian way. 226 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,400 Yeah. And then they are more into this 227 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,120 Italian thing. Yeah, but the way you feel 228 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:53,960 someone is, the attitude that is brought by the suiting or being 229 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,520 dressed up might also be influenced by the background 230 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:03,560 because I'm also coming from this more Mediterranean culture. 231 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:06,400 So I also feel that it's a bit more genuine, yeah. 232 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,400 But I don't know, maybe if you are more Nordic, maybe you feel 233 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,640 that it's better to have this. Exactly. 234 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,200 So that's why the I find those questions extremely interesting, 235 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:18,560 but. They tell a lot about you, more 236 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,880 than the whole thing should be. Absolutely, because we all look 237 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,120 at people and look at life and culture. 238 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,600 It's from our own reference, reference references and where 239 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,720 we come from. So obviously I would be more, I 240 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,440 would like something better than somebody else from, for example, 241 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,640 from the north or from, I don't know, from Iceland, for example, 242 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,760 that is really not used to seeing like the Italian 243 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,080 hospitality as something very genuine and authentic. 244 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,240 But they would see it as something like, Oh my God, too 245 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,840 much, you know, So they might prefer I don't know the English 246 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,560 or, you know, but in if you ask me as just image, then I would 247 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:02,200 definitely because I'm also extremely extroverts and and you 248 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,480 know that, but I really. Really, we didn't notice. 249 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,000 No, no, no, no, no, no. No, even me, I look super 250 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,560 Swedish today in comparison to you. 251 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,240 Oh. Yeah. 252 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,320 Yeah, yeah. But we would like to have 253 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,920 details because we have, we have you here because we are, we are 254 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,120 two single men. We're going on dates and we 255 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,000 would like you to to tell us. I love. 256 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,760 Those questions, what is like the total eek when you meet a 257 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,040 guy and he's he, he comes on a date with something like, OK, we 258 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:38,320 said a lot about skinny jeans. I don't think we need to cover 259 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,240 it anymore because it's just something 100%. 260 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Yes, if, if, if it's your first episode, guys, ick. 261 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:46,920 That's it. OK, go on. 262 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Yeah, so. Is. 263 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,200 There something that is totally a no no. 264 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,760 No, no, no. I mean no. 265 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 A part of skinny jeans. Yeah, with. 266 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,640 Some trends that, OK, you've been here in Stockholm, I guess 267 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,720 that you've seen some men and do you think that men here are 268 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,280 wearing something maybe too often that is not? 269 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,840 There's a trend these days, Yeah, the I'd say the open 270 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,040 shoes, you know, like not flip flops necessarily, but with, 271 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Yeah, exactly. With with socks. 272 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,480 Oh. Exactly. 273 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:35,080 And slides with short socks. Okay, no yeah so that's I've not 274 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,200 noticed, but that gives me the egg to imagine yeah, but I. 275 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Mean Nike slides. Yeah, no. 276 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,440 So I mean, to answer your question, what would give me the 277 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,400 egg? Obviously. 278 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Okay, skinny jeans. Again, I don't want to be mean 279 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,520 to anyone who actually or to men who like skinny jeans because I 280 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,720 mean, maybe you wear it in a way that is really good for you. 281 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,640 But what I've seen so far was no, not not my thing. 282 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,480 Yeah, unless you're rocker part of the band and you're on stage 283 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,800 with that. Exactly. 284 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,040 You are. No, you don't. 285 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Obvious. Yeah, exactly. 286 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,160 So it's, it's, it's, it's whole, it's again, it's about like. 287 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,440 It's context. Yeah, it's context as well. 288 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,800 So I don't want to, you know, but for me personally, what I 289 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,800 like and what my sense, sensibility, sensitivity lies, 290 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,960 what would give me the woo, the ick. 291 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Well, I mean, whatever you just described about this new trend 292 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,800 in Sweden, I'm not really sure about honestly. 293 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,520 I mean, Beerkin stocks, they're popular all over the world. 294 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,120 Yeah, yeah, no, that sucks. Yeah, No, I don't. 295 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,720 I don't like that. But for me, what would give me 296 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,360 the ick again? Is someone trying too hard or 297 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,200 not enough? Yeah, yeah. 298 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,560 So when, if you go on a date, obviously you want to dress 299 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:01,720 nice, right? But if you in your everyday life 300 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,599 don't wear suits or don't wear like nice trousers now nice 301 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,599 jackets and stuff. It's not you never happened. 302 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,240 I'm not wearing suits. Not ever. 303 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,319 Not. Ever look at? 304 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:14,960 Him. No. 305 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,280 No, no, guys, guys, you need to just watch our podcast on 306 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,800 YouTube and Spotify because there is a video if you don't 307 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:24,720 know. Yeah. 308 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,760 So I what would give me the ick is for example, a man that would 309 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,400 come in like let's say a three piece suit, but he never wears 310 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,800 suit normally. And if he's wearing a full tie, 311 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,200 yeah, like I'm like. Because because in that in that 312 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,520 moment, you will see that that man is just not comfortable in 313 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,080 what he's wearing. He's trying so hard. 314 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Maybe he's just stressed because he likes the girl. 315 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Yeah, exactly. I'm always stressed on all my 316 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,240 dates. Yeah, well, there you go. 317 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:57,960 But I would. Should have learned by now, yes. 318 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Have you learned anything? Yeah, that it's easier. 319 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:09,600 Actually I read something on Internet recently that you have 320 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:16,560 60% more success rate when you take a drink before date. 321 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,520 That's a Polish. OK, guys, I don't know how it is 322 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,320 about the, the, the, the rules on YouTube, but the abuse of 323 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,040 alcohol is bad for health. So it's not. 324 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,080 It's not. Just Polish so it thinks that it 325 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,200 thinks that alcohol will solve all problems. 326 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,680 Just just yeah, they if yeah, they solve like they, they 327 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,320 resolve the the marriage. Yeah, I mean, it's translation 328 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,560 from Polish because you know the. 329 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,200 Alcoholic. Guys solve. 330 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Problems solve all your. Problems, problems having to 331 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,240 solve problems and to like. Split in a marriage is the same 332 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,600 word in Polish. So yeah, but basically it's to 333 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,680 be chill. So you can be chill without 334 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,880 alcohol, yeah. No, but actually, I mean, 335 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,960 actually if you take what you just said and what you said just 336 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,040 before, you know, taking a drink before a date, meaning that you 337 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,520 actually kind of relax. Yeah. 338 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,040 Yeah. So again, you're yourself. 339 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,520 What gives me the? Ick and even you talk better in 340 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,880 different languages. There you go. 341 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,440 There you go. Yeah. 342 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:25,840 So for me the ick in terms of menswear would be a guy that 343 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,280 dresses in a way that is just not him. 344 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:35,320 So if your way of dressing is not wearing suits at all 345 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:41,280 normally or just to go to your once a 2 month meetings with 346 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,480 your associates or whatever, I will see that right away. 347 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,400 Because what I think what I, but then again, maybe correct me if 348 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:54,880 I'm wrong guys, but I feel like women also can feel that and 349 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:00,160 sense that it's extremely, extremely fast that if you are 350 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:07,520 not genuine and if you're not completely like at like that, 351 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,120 you don't move the right way. You just. 352 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,000 Yeah, you're pretending. Thank you. 353 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Yeah, we even had an episode about that, so we covered that 354 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,400 subject exactly. So and I think that that's the 355 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,600 major. Another, another question 356 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,760 because yeah. I love. 357 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,720 Let's let's get back to your dad because it just it just so, so 358 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,560 interesting. Are there any the strong 359 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,680 opinions your dad has about style that you completely 360 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,240 disagree with? Is there anything like? 361 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,880 That I would love to give you that tea, but no. 362 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,160 Yeah, sorry. Yeah, no. 363 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,280 Why that's not, and I would say that's not in the spirit of of 364 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,640 what your Father is transmitting also because. 365 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,960 Your father. Is educating, but he's never 366 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600 letting himself against. Exactly, I think, I think no, 367 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,960 exactly I think. But I think that's a brilliant 368 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,040 question for that matter, because my dad, and that's how 369 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:08,800 he raised me, I mean period. But also how I was how I arrived 370 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,440 in this, in this in our world, is that he didn't tell me what I 371 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:18,520 could and couldn't do. And my dad, I mean, in how he is 372 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,880 with me, but, and how I can see him with people and also in with 373 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,480 his YouTube channel and everything. 374 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,640 Obviously there are a lot of rules and there are a lot of 375 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,840 things that are so important to know. 376 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,440 And it's just about heritage. And it's about respect and 377 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,120 respect of craftsmanship and of the, the art of the move, of the 378 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:42,080 not the movement, the gesture, the gesture. 379 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Yeah, the art of the gesture and what's what is behind what 380 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,600 you're purchasing and everything and and the heritage and the 381 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,440 traditions. But I I don't have anything that 382 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,000 he thinks is great. And I think it's like a no go 383 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,800 just also because of how he raised me in that that you are 384 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:12,720 you and you interpret and you live the the sartorial style and 385 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,720 suits and everything the way you want to. 386 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:21,400 And there is no yeah, I I couldn't judge what somebody 387 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,040 else finds absolutely gorgeous. Because that's what your father, 388 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,640 your father has always brought behind all the knowledge he has 389 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,160 brought. And that's probably also your 390 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,360 heritage because you are still learning many things and it's 391 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,560 difficult to be as knowledgeable as your father. 392 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:46,240 But what he's bringing is, and you were talking about educating 393 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,120 people, but it's like he's talking a lot about beauty, 394 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,200 about manners and all those things. 395 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,040 They are values. For me, that's, that is one 396 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,120 thing actually coming back to your, to what you told me 397 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:02,000 earlier, what you asked me earlier, what would give me the 398 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,600 major ick is the lack of elegance and the lack of manners 399 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,640 in a man so you can be dressed. We were talking about this 400 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,880 privately yesterday. I think about about some man 401 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,240 manners between man. Absolutely. 402 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,120 Different cultures. Absolutely. 403 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:26,280 And I mean for me that is the number, probably the number one 404 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,920 thing to be very honest. And that is indeed what my dad 405 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,720 is talking about a lot about being a gentleman and being a 406 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,560 gentleman. For me is has, I mean, it is so 407 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:44,000 much more than how you dress. It's just genuinely, are you a 408 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,800 gentleman? Are you yourself a gentleman? 409 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,720 And it has to do with manners, it has to do with good. 410 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,800 Values. Yeah. 411 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,680 What are your values in? Yeah, your values and how you 412 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,760 treat someone else, not only a woman, but also just people in 413 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,960 general. How do you treat them? 414 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,040 This is actually something that I read about how to spot some 415 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560 narcissist or psychopaths on a date. 416 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,440 Absolutely. How they treat a server, a taxi 417 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,440 driver, Absolutely. People, yeah. 418 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,400 And how they talk about their ex also. 419 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,520 You know, yes, you. Can learn a lot about someone, 420 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480 how he talks about people he was connected to in the past. 421 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,840 Yes, he can talk, talk in a so wrong way. 422 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,800 And it goes both ways, to be honest, male and female. 423 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,680 If you can talk so wrong about, I mean, if you're separated with 424 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,160 someone, it's because obviously it was not going well. 425 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,880 Yeah, but the way you behave then and the way you talk about 426 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,880 those people tells it's about. Accountability, right? 427 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,600 Yeah, exactly. It's about it's about 428 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,400 accountability, about self reflection. 429 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,560 So obviously what you say indeed is that how you talk about 430 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280 someone and, and, and if we come back to being a gentleman is 431 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,960 about how you you talk about people when they're not here, 432 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,320 how you talk about your friends when they're not here. 433 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,520 How you talk about your woman, for example, when she's not 434 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,600 here. How, for example, I would talk 435 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,880 about my father. If he's not here, I'd go to war. 436 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,920 If anybody says anything for me that like, you know what I mean? 437 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,840 Like it's just, it's just about how you, the accountability of 438 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,400 your own part when you're talking about a relationship, 439 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,480 your responsibility, obviously you can be in. 440 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,480 I mean, a lot of people have been in abusive relationships 441 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:30,680 and you absolutely should be, you know, like be loud with 442 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,360 people around you about what you've been through for sure. 443 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560 But there is a certain level of self reflection and of not 444 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,480 putting everything on someone else. 445 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,560 And that shows character at the moment. 446 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,720 You can have self reflection. And then that to me that shows a 447 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,960 great deal about like we're talking about a man then a man 448 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,400 that has self that that have that knows himself well enough 449 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,560 to say, OK, I was wrong on this. I was wrong on that. 450 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,840 I'm trying to be better. This is where I am right now. 451 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,040 That for me is so much more attractive than someone. 452 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,520 It's where you place your ego. Yeah, exactly. 453 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,560 It's all indeed. It's all about ego. 454 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840 And how about how you? Carry yourself. 455 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,320 It's not about destroying ego because we are this. 456 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,360 We're hearing a lot that ego is wrong by default, and I would 457 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,280 say no. Ego can drive you far, but it's 458 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,640 where you place it. Yeah, and it's also, it can, it 459 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,000 can actually, it can protect you in a way, you know, like you're 460 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,800 trying, you're protecting yourself as well. 461 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,320 And again, it has nothing to do with not being able to say you 462 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560 were a victim of abuse. For example, in, in, in in in a 463 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,080 bad. Yeah, being a victim is never 464 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,080 good. No, but I mean you can say that 465 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920 you were a victim because actually it makes you 466 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:54,120 vulnerability also makes you strong as a man to be able to 467 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:59,120 say that really hurt me. And you know, like I like that. 468 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,800 That was really painful for me and it was a really hard 469 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,800 experience. But what you do with it is what 470 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,200 makes your character to me. So you can acknowledging the 471 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,920 fact that you that you have pain, that you cry, that you, 472 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,040 you know, like this is this for me is extremely masculine. 473 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480 Let's it's one of the things that's the most masculine, I 474 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,720 think vulnerability. But the the biggest difference, 475 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,120 and you see that in first dates and stuff like that is what you 476 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,760 do with it. And that shows me if you're a 477 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,040 gentleman or not, if you're if you have the right character or 478 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,000 not. Is your accountability how you 479 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,200 can look at yourself in the mirror and be like, OK, OK, what 480 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,680 are we going to do about this? Are we going to ignore this? 481 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,520 Are we going to try to distract ourselves or are we going to 482 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,960 just look at ourselves in the mirror? 483 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,960 But, but so being a gentleman, is it just reserved to men or is 484 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,560 it because we're seeing gentleman as if it was only a 485 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,480 rule for men? Can it be applied to women as 486 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,440 well? Can women be a gentleman in that 487 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,440 regard? That's I think then then we're 488 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,000 talking about masculinity and femininity. 489 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400 And I think that's those are two things that are. 490 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,040 Be a lady more I would say to be a lady I. 491 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,360 Would say yeah to be a lady, but was. 492 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,440 It to be a lady then, because those values that we give to men 493 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,640 and gentlemen, we can be applied to any human being. 494 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,400 One of my favorite things to talk about guys, I love that. 495 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,520 But that's then we're talking about femininity and 496 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,920 masculinity. Exactly. 497 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:31,560 And that for me is, is so your question was, can a woman be 498 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,720 masculine in that way? You know, I think society has 499 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,560 made very, very masculine women as well, because we have to be 500 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,400 also strong in that sense to also protect our protect 501 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,880 ourselves. But, and but that again, and I 502 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,440 don't want to say this as this is the truth, right, guys like 503 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,960 this is, I mean, this is my truth. 504 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,440 This is what I, I think personally, that's, these are my 505 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,520 values. But you can't, you may disagree 506 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,440 completely, but to me, yes, absolutely a woman can have that 507 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,360 as one. I think it's also, especially as 508 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:10,400 a single woman, it's, it protects you as well to have 509 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,520 that kind of masculinity, to have that kind of, you know, 510 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,080 like to protect yourself and protect your ego and protect all 511 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,520 of this and just protect yourself for sure. 512 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,760 But if we're talking about masculinity and femininity, I 513 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,680 think masculine and feminine need each other to grow. 514 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,640 Again, I'm not saying that man and woman, I'm not not talking 515 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,520 about that kind of, I'm just talking about that the masculine 516 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,240 needs the feminine and the feminine needs the masculine. 517 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,440 And I think that that would be that it's a beautiful. 518 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,480 You were complementary. Yes, absolutely. 519 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,000 So for me, for example, if I'm just bringing it back to me, 520 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,480 Emma Jacombe, please do. If I'm bringing it just back to 521 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:58,840 me, for me to be completely in my feminine energy, then I need 522 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,240 someone that is so in in their masculine energy. 523 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,680 And that's again we can talk about what is really 524 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,360 masculinity. That's a whole other subject. 525 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,560 But they're masculine energy so that I can be safe enough to be 526 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,120 feminine, to be in the more like, you know, the nurturing 527 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440 and everything. And again, it doesn't mean women 528 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,720 only men can also be nurturing. Absolutely. 529 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,480 That's not even. Yeah. 530 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,720 But I mean, to be feminine you need to have a strong masculine, 531 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,880 you know, so. Yeah, and I was asking this 532 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,320 because we are talking in masculinity and this is the 533 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,280 topic that we are often talking about. 534 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,440 But for once we have a woman, so it's even more interesting and 535 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,480 we can go deeper in that there is in masculinity. 536 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,160 We often think about virility, you know, and that's the thing 537 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,800 being viral. And I'm not sure about the 538 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,000 translation in English, but it is manly. 539 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,080 It would be or manhood. OK, what it is Viril in? 540 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,600 But. But that's the thing, because 541 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,920 the. Manly, manly. 542 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,520 Yeah, but that's the thing, It doesn't really work in English 543 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,720 because manly means being a man, but virility in French is 544 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,640 derived from another meaning, which means standing straight. 545 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,280 Yeah. And everyone, whether you're a 546 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,080 man or a woman, can stand straight, can be straight in 547 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,600 front of everything that happens to you. 548 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,800 Absolutely yes. You can be a woman is like be a 549 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080 man you. Know exactly exactly, but that 550 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,000 there is a very big that something that gives me the ache 551 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,320 a lot the be a man. What does what what do you mean 552 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760 be a man man up. What do you what do you what do 553 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:51,480 you actually mean right, because so virility in French indeed has 554 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,120 a lot to do with being strong being but masculinity. 555 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,520 How about, I mean, masculinity is also like I said before, it's 556 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,920 about also self reflection is about acknowledging your 557 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,800 emotions as well about acknowledging, acknowledging a 558 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,080 lot of things. Actually, that's for me, that's 559 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,040 masculinity. If you can actually have this 560 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,400 self reflection, acknowledge what what you've been through, 561 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,360 what you're going through, what your emotions are and what 562 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,480 you're going to do with it. For me, that's masculinity. 563 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,160 So it has nothing to do with whether or not you cry, whether 564 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,400 or not you you can, you can strangle an alligator with your 565 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560 bare hands. That has nothing to do with how 566 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,840 much money. You make nothing to do with 567 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,680 clothes. It has nothing to do with no. 568 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,480 It has nothing to do with how much money. 569 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,880 You make so we're talking about clothes for. 570 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,960 No, no, no clothes. How much money you make, I said. 571 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,880 That doesn't matter at all. Masculinity for me. 572 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,640 So virility masculinity is the the, the and again, well, now 573 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,560 we're talking very we're talking about men and women. 574 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,840 Obviously, I do believe that that can also apply to same sex 575 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,360 that can it can apply to that absolutely. 576 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,360 But now just I just want to say that because I don't want to 577 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,280 offend anybody, but for the sake of what we're just talking about 578 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,920 now about men and women. And in my case, for me, I feel 579 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:21,920 like if you're talking about a a man that is in that sense manly 580 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,160 virility is it can be a very destructive kind of word. 581 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,240 Man up be a man. All of that can be extremely 582 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,640 destructive to the masculine. Why? 583 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,640 Because then you you feed into what the society think like the 584 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,320 very old society think of what a man should be strong and blah, 585 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,480 blah, blah, emotionless and stuff. 586 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,480 You've heard that a lot, right? No, to me, what actual 587 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600 masculinity is. And you see on 1st dates, you 588 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,520 see that, you know, it's the authenticity of, of a man, the 589 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,960 ability to recognize everything, to recognize what you're going 590 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,440 through, to recognize you because men have emotions as 591 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,840 well. That's my, that's me being a 592 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,120 pedagogue and that's me being an, an, an educator. 593 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,360 You know, men have emotions as well, obviously. 594 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,520 We're. Not. 595 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,920 Obvious animals can have emotions, so men can. 596 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,560 Absolutely. And that's completely OK. 597 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:32,000 To have to acknowledge, to, to take in, to focus on, to 598 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,800 release, that is completely OK. The masculine, what we need as 599 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,840 feminines, the feminine energy to be able to be feminine in 600 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,679 this world because we have built so many very masculine women. 601 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,840 And I honestly, I'm a bit one of them to be very honest. 602 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,360 That was my next question. Oh my God, as as as as a single 603 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,760 woman. I feel that it's bringing it 604 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,720 brings up your masculinity, but that that that's my my question 605 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,840 about what and I'm I'm then you will be able to intervene. 606 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080 To wrap it up, because we cannot. 607 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:13,560 One landstorm, men's wear and women's wear, because maybe your 608 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,840 masculinity also makes you like to dress up a bit more manly. 609 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:24,240 But if you wanted to have your feminine attribute really put 610 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,520 having the advantage of them, would you rather do that in a a 611 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,960 men's suit, even though it's going to be adapted to you and 612 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,440 to your shapes, or this little black dress that you mentioned? 613 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,840 Before. That's a very good question. 614 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600 Actually. I think that if it's, I think it 615 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,320 can be extremely feminine, like a suit can be extremely 616 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,880 feminine. If it's well cut, it's well 617 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,160 made. That could be really beautiful. 618 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,080 So and it can be very feminine. Although I'm Parisian, so a 619 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,120 little black dress. I, I don't know if it will 620 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,000 always win the race, but it might. 621 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,200 But a very well a very well cut suit for women, for women's 622 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,480 attribute can actually be extremely feminine. 623 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,960 But it has to be. Superbly cut. 624 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,960 Yes, well, it has to be. The prototypes have to be made 625 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,080 for women as well, you know, and that's what we miss a lot, you 626 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,720 know, it's all the, the the prototypes are made for men a 627 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,680 lot. And then we kind of tweak them 628 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,760 for women. But if if you go from women's 629 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,640 kind bodies and then that's that's, that would be, that 630 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,000 would be a beautiful evolution of, of our sartorial world. 631 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. 632 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,200 That it can be very feminine. Absolutely. 633 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,120 So exactly what what we thought would happen happen is that 2 634 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,960 French people talk too much. Oh, and how is like to be 635 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,920 beating us? Yeah, no, I mean we just went to 636 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,280 different subjects and. OK, well, do you? 637 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,760 Have any other I I was just thinking that I need to edit it 638 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,040 later so so we. Were seeing all the hours of. 639 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,520 Any kind of substance, I'm going to say something also. 640 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,320 So going going back to my my father. 641 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,640 I am exactly like my father. I never, I never prepare 642 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,400 anything. My dad often doesn't either. 643 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,560 We can talk. We can talk. 644 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,280 We can, we can go. Yeah, we can. 645 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,560 We can absolutely talk. And that's very French. 646 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,360 That's extremely French. We can just. 647 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,120 He's always saying that I'm talking too much. 648 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,960 Then we may. Too. 649 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,480 Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, that's great. 650 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:34,680 But you know, actually that's a very beautiful thing. 651 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,360 Post. I'm going to bring in post OK, 652 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,080 I'm Oh yeah, you know, post a Rochelle de Comper do so. 653 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,640 Post is it's a French writer. It's a philosophy. 654 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,200 I mean, it's, it's one of the, I mean, I. 655 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,160 It's one of the greatest of the last century. 656 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,720 Yes. Post and sailing maybe? 657 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,000 Yeah, post is. He talked about that. 658 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,520 Actually, my father talked about this not long ago. 659 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,280 You can digress. Digressing is one of the most 660 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,760 beautiful thing there is. That's why we love pose. 661 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,080 That's why we love philosophy, right? 662 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,640 You digress. You continue. 663 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,840 But. You just pronounce it 664 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:11,760 differently. Prost. 665 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:20,080 Oh, there. You go, but the the key is to 666 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,600 know where you started. So you kind of like put pause in 667 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,840 your mind, which I is what I do a lot. 668 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,360 So you put pause on your mind as to where the question started. 669 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,600 You can digress all you want and then you say, OK, back to your 670 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160 question and then that's. No, but you, you are great with 671 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,880 this. That's that's that's what how 672 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,760 philosophy is kind of built. That's what we love to do. 673 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,760 Sitting on the cafe and and making the word right is what we 674 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,360 do best. Exactly so, and that's what my 675 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,120 father was indeed talking about. That digressing is wonderful as 676 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,760 long as you know how to come back. 677 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,160 Yeah, yeah, that's true. Let's come back then. 678 00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:01,400 Let's let's come back, yes. Looking at at the hours you need 679 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,720 to place a meme on his head. You know, like with this all 680 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,560 this you need to geometry stuff appearing in the back of your 681 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,360 head. Like the digressing, We will 682 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,280 digress and come back, but you need to. 683 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,040 Yeah, yeah. Always the one that comes back 684 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,960 and you're just going somewhere. We were back, but you didn't 685 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,120 notice. Yeah. 686 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,800 All right. Are we rapping or do you want 687 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,000 that? We talk 10 more minutes about 688 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,960 politics. Senator, No, no, we're rapping. 689 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,120 You don't have any other questions? 690 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120 No, I no, no, I had all the. Questions. 691 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:40,840 The French beat the the Polish. Yeah, he cannot handle it. 692 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:46,320 We are, we are philosophers. Cannot wait that we are going on 693 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,200 the journey in Paris and we are starting talking with other 694 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,920 influencers and with all the people in this and it's going to 695 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,880 be like guys, you have 10 minutes Max, that's it. 696 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,320 But. I mean, you're also you're also 697 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,200 more a bit a bit more mathematical or or more. 698 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,640 No, it needs to have some structure exactly. 699 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,920 I need to build this structure later. 700 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,240 Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, I know. 701 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,480 Yeah. The French podcast. 702 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,600 Yeah. Exactly the French episode. 703 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,760 Guys, that was a rap. We we covered even dating as 704 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,720 always, as almost always know, like some women stuff, some 705 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,920 menswear stuff, some growing up with a Parisian gentleman. 706 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,080 That was pretty interesting for me. 707 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,840 How how how it was. But because, you know, in in 708 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,880 today's world, we don't have this figures. 709 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,760 Actually a lot of people, a lot of guys, they don't even know 710 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,400 how to tie a tie. And you had someone that knew 711 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,640 all of it, but you're a girl. So your dad couldn't even give 712 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,120 those advices to to a guy. So, but so now we have a now we 713 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,640 have a girl in a suit. Can I can? 714 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,320 I can I disclaim something? This is a big secret I don't 715 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,560 know. We will not tell anyone. 716 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,880 You know why? Because OK, this is so I know it 717 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,880 can. It can sound so crazy. 718 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,440 I love when someone ties a tie for me. 719 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200 I think it's just the sweetest thing. 720 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,480 So when I go to my dad, I'm like, Papa, can you do it for 721 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,240 me? Or Sonia can. 722 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,000 Yes, you have a. Friend does it. 723 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,880 Even this real on Instagram you have it. 724 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,640 Yes, exactly. I, I find it such. 725 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,440 So no, I, I, I don't necessarily. 726 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,840 I mean, I could do it, but I don't necessarily want to 727 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,520 because I love when someone does it for me. 728 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,720 Yeah, that's nice for you. Know the daughter of Paris and 729 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,120 gentlemen does not know how to tie and tie everyone. 730 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,240 Four in hand. No Windsor. 731 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,680 Yeah, I can barely tie, bow tie. It takes me forever, so it's 732 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,920 alright. I did that. 733 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,520 I learn how to tie a bow tie just before my wedding. 734 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:02,600 Did. Oh yeah. 735 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,320 Did you? Were you never wearing it 736 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,400 before? No. 737 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,160 Why? Yeah, exactly. 738 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,760 Exactly, Yeah. No, but we're not pretending. 739 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,960 I mean, that's true. If you don't do it all the time, 740 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,000 what would you know exactly? It was my first, you know, bow 741 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,000 tie to tie by yourself. Like you know those before I had 742 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,480 those pre tied. So those fake ones. 743 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,040 Yeah. And actually women, they, Sonia 744 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,560 taught, taught me this, that you, I'll have to, to find the 745 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:39,440 name of that, of that, of that tie knot that you can go 2 times 746 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,440 around so that it's shorter. Because for women that's 747 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,480 something that is. Also for me. 748 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,960 Shorts so long. It's the same. 749 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,600 There are two you go 2/2 times and you you can choose Prince 750 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,760 Albert. That's it. 751 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,400 The Prince Albert. That's the one I always. 752 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,480 Do or the OR the double. So Prince Albert is just double. 753 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,800 Yeah, but Prince Albert, you can see, you can see the other that 754 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,840 is 2. Yes, and I love that. 755 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,720 I think that's. 44 in hand, you cannot see, so you choose the 756 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:11,320 other. Whole. 757 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,000 Exactly, Prince Albert, That's exactly the one I was looking 758 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,440 for. Even Windsor use more of the. 759 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,960 Top yes, that's. True. 760 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,760 But Windsor is very. Beautiful as well. 761 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,640 I think the Winston that that's also very, that's also. 762 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,520 More of like maybe military because it's symmetric. 763 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,320 Yeah, exactly. It's a bit bulky for my taste. 764 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,320 Yeah. And when you ask someone to tie 765 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,640 your tie for you, then you, then they do it the way they like to 766 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,480 do it. So I have like a Reel on 767 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,040 Instagram where my dad puts it a little bit asymmetrical. 768 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,040 Then I have one of my friend that does it a little bit more 769 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,720 tied. I love that it comes back to me 770 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,520 wearing things from people I love. 771 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,760 It's just. Exactly. 772 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,400 Just to take from people, that's very nice. 773 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,480 OK, Emma, thank you. It was, it was a lot of 774 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,480 information about psychology, about clothes, about growing up, 775 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,400 even some different cultures, some about Paris, some something 776 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,240 about France and even Stockholm. Yeah. 777 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,560 Yeah. And that's interesting to be 778 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,000 able to talk about those things with someone real like you. 779 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,400 So it was a pleasure, yeah. Thank you guys for having. 780 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,840 Thank you and see you at PT in. General Yeah, exactly. 781 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080 Let's go to PT. You're not getting rid of me. 782 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,240 Thank you. Bye, guys. 783 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,240 Bye, Chow Chow. Chow, guys. 784 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,200 OK.