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Welcome for the 4th part of this
follow. 

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Follow the episode on Orkutish. 
Yeah. 

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And are you some kind of a 
musician today with the 

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sunglasses in the studio? 
Like what is going? 

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On I don't want you to See my 
game so you can see that the 

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tiredness level is increasing 
and the goofiness as well. 

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Yeah, today, today we're gonna 
talk about classic menswear and 

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that is is dead. 
Is it so We're gonna, we're 

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gonna be a bit controversial 
then. 

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Yeah, I mean, a lot of people 
are are just wearing menswear 

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wrong, I guess. 
Yeah, but what you are saying is

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like in between two thing is 
that they are wearing it wrong. 

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So that might be an answer of 
it's dead. 

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Why It's dead? 
Because it's not worn. 

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Properly. 
And why is? 

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Why is it? 
And is it so nice when it's worn

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properly? 
Because a lot of guys when they 

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are wearing like very stiff by 
the rule, very classic menswear,

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sometimes it feels like they 
never go out. 

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And have they ever met a girl 
before? 

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Yeah, but also a lot of people 
wear menswear because they need 

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to, because it's a kind, some 
kind of uniform. 

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And even it wasn't like it was 
like that in the past. 

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We had all those rules, but now 
the rules are not they not don't

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apply anymore. 
But that's why we invented the 

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style, because you can have a 
uniform and steal by just a 

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better cut or a better fabric or
pattern that is a bit different,

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have styles so you can show 
yourself through this uniform. 

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But a lot of people just use 
some someone else's style. 

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They don't have their own, they 
just copy something. 

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Into the. 
Which is not bad because that 

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actually in the beginning you 
should copy and then you find 

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your own style. 
That's exactly what I was about 

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to bounce back on. 
I was about to say, yeah, but a 

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lot of the style that I like now
and then I really made myself 

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and people would say, Oh yeah, 
that's the way he dresses. 

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The Jordan style is actually 
things that I have seen on. 

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Other people. 
This is Jordan style. 

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Yolando. 
Style, Yolando. 

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But who is wearing this casual 
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Better. 
You have this striped Hawker 

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T-shirt. 
Yeah, I have Field Jacket and 

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Henley. 
And I have some green trousers 

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with the ripstop fabric I have. 
It's more like my style because 

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it's also military. 
Exactly so military that would. 

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Actually work pretty well. 
It's a different kind of green 

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because mine is a green greyish.
Yeah, and green is hard to wear,

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but with this type of colour, 
very faded tones, Yeah, 

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desaturated, that's much easier.
And these ones, they work if you

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go military. 
So military, since it's a peace 

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in itself that has a lot of 
strength, much easier to put it 

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in the wardrobe and and look 
cool. 

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I also have the green socks. 
Hello guys. 

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The green socks that goes with 
their military socks. 

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Also they are from the Italian 
army actually surplus. 

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And today we are talking about 
that Mansfield is there, but 

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also that is not that will like 
I spoiled a bit, but we are 

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talking about Hockerty because 
Hockerty has also something that

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is for everyone. 
We have the casual stuff, we 

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have formal, we have casual 
suits, we have also filled 

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jackets, we have Henleys. 
So you can combine because. 

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A lot of casual. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Yeah. 
So you can find everything. 

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And I don't think it it, it's 
that because it's just worn a 

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lot of guys they're just wearing
the those suits for Instagram. 

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Yeah, taking pictures showing up
and then do changing to 

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something casual I am wearing. 
At home. 

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Are you wearing a suit at home? 
Because me, as soon as yeah, as 

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I, I. 
Wear boxers at home. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
As soon as I go out, I think as 

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I go home home, I'm either naked
or I'm wearing Yeah, but we're. 

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Talking in real life because a 
lot of guys they're just, you 

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know, ironing the suits and then
they just show on the Instagram 

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and then they just changing to 
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I I don't wear. 
Cosplaying. 

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Cosplaying, exactly. 
I love wearing suits, but I love

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to wear it as an arm or outside.
It's an outside garment which 

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represents myself outside and 
that's something that I love 

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about. 
Also, it's something that you 

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want to wear, not that you're 
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To no exactly I no absolutely. 
Even guys, if you're forced to 

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wear a suit, just wear a nice 
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Exactly, but it doesn't. 
Need to be something. 

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I'm working with they're forced 
to wear to wear suits, but they 

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are making their suits very 
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Then they have special fabrics, 
they have their own style and 

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then it doesn't feel like they 
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They embraced it the the fact 
that they are forced to wear a 

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suit to make it their own style 
and to really be intentional in 

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what they are wearing. 
Yeah, if you, if you, if you 

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need to wear a suit, just make 
some nice details in at Hockerty

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you have this 3D Configurator. 
You can choose some wider 

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lapels, some some nicer fabrics,
even some premium fabrics, some 

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patterns. 
You can add some. 

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Add some casual casual stuff 
that you can even wear a suit 

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without a tie, without a shirt. 
You can you can wear with 

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sneakers. 
You you can choose even shoes at

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Hockerty. 
It's just it's just nowadays, if

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you're not forced to wear a 
suit, it's still nice to wear a 

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suit, but to make it still 
intentional, that's the word 

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again and find your own style. 
Find something that you're 

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comfortable with. 
And we always say that even the 

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the cheapest made to measure 
like Cockerty is very affordable

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that you looks much better 
because it's tailored to your 

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body than something off the 
rack. 

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Yeah. 
But I would say that talking 

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about his men's were dead. 
I would say that for me, I would

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feel uncomfortable be living in 
a small village and being the 

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only guy wearing a suit. 
And I think some guys, it works 

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for them to push their 
personality and be a bit 

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extravagant like this, going 
against the flow of the 

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environment. 
And me, I prefer to adapt to my 

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environment. 
And I feel like if I want to 

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dress like this, I'd need to be 
in an environment that works 

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with this. 
So I changed my environment to 

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be able to wear what I like to 
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And I like this idea that I can 
adapt to the person in front of 

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me. 
So that's why I think it's nice 

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for everyone to have different 
levels of of from casual to more

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formal. 
So different level of clothes 

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that you're wearing and also 
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If you are doing a certain 
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activity, well, you need to 
dress accordingly, you know. 

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There there was a guy on 
Instagram he owns Made to 

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Measure brand. 
He's actually Swedish. 

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Yeah, he did the high rocks in 
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OK, Yeah, yeah, you don't always
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And his pulse, his heart rate 
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Well, because of the suit maybe.
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overheating. 
And I'm like why? 

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Maybe it wasn't comfortable how 
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he. 
Sweats a lot. 

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Yeah, but it's not meant for 
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It's not comfortable. 
Just wear something. 

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No, but when I'm going to the 
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T-shirts and sportswear I'm 
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Even sometimes I'm seeing those 
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old school, like gym wear, you 
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Yeah, but even from before, like
from the 70s or 60s with those 

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very heavy cottons and I'm like,
it's so it's actually very 

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uncomfortable. 
Yeah, comfortable, but they are 

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not breathable. 
I'm wearing shorts. 

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But also also there there are a 
lot of guys that are hiding 

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their insecurities behind the 
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And if you need to wear a suit 
to hide it, maybe it's I don't 

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know, is it a good idea? 
I mean if you are more confident

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wearing a suit, I. 
Would say that you you. 

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Bring you bring such a lot of 
ice on you. 

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Also wearing a suit. 
But also that and we can go a 

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bit deeper. 
You're less approachable in a 

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suit, I would say. 
Yeah, but those people, they, 

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they since they are full of 
insecurities they don't want, 

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they are not approachable by 
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And so that's the armour, but 
that's a pushing back armour. 

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But I think that also a a suit, 
you take less risk when you have

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more construction in a suit. 
So the more constructed is you 

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suit, the more it's going to 
have its own shape. 

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And then the more you're going 
to look a bit stiff and formal. 

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But also the more the less you 
have chances that it looks so 

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bad, the more you are going and 
constructed, the more it's a bit

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laid back, but the more then you
need to be careful in the way it

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fits for it to fit nicely on 
you. 

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But then also the more informal 
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classic you are in the sense 
stiff classic, we're talking 

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because, yeah, actually if we 
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style is considered very classic
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unconstructed. 
Yeah, but still with the 

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Neapolitan shoulder they are, 
you still have those roped 

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shoulders. 
So you still have something that

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is still quite masculine, I 
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But if we are talking about 
something more modern, you have 

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like really completely 
disconstructed without any 

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padding and so on. 
It's more advanced and then you 

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need to be more careful on the 
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So you need to be more on point 
and maybe a bit more advanced in

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your knowledge on power suit. 
Yeah, it's also when when you 

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guys want to order your maybe 
first or maybe one of the first 

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suits, it's it's easier to find 
a perfect fit with when the 

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fabric is thicker. 
But also, yeah, I mean, Hokerty 

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gives you this opportunity to 
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You can see on the on the on the
website how it will look like, 

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but also you you will get 
something that is quite 

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affordable. 
So if you're not going to be, if

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you are not going to order some 
suit that you thought that maybe

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it will be your style and you're
not, it's not no, then it it's 

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not going to cost you that much.
Exactly. 

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But well, interesting question. 
How classic would you say OCOTY 

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is then in your opinion? 
I mean, it depends, because even

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casual stuff, it's pretty 
classical. 

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Yeah. 
You have field jacket. 

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It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a 
thing that has his his place in 

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menswear. 
Yeah. 

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So you, you don't have any like 
weird stuff. 

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You have stuff that are. 
Staples. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
You have trench coats, you have 

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coats, You have again, shirts, 
Henleys, you have some, some 

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some maybe more extravagant 
fabrics, some of them. 

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But still it's it's it's, it's 
made that, for example, somebody

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that is new to menswear can 
find. 

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It will work, yeah, exactly. 
And I would say I agree totally.

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I think that on this aspect they
are they are very classic. 

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So they really help you building
very classic pieces. 

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I would say, however, that in 
the cuts they are much more 

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modern. 
So if you want something that is

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a bit more classic, and when I'm
talking more classic, for 

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example, I arise a bit more 
space in the garment, this is 

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something that you need to 
specify. 

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You need to reach out to them, 
and you need to measure garments

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that you own to open up a bit to
say very specifically in. 

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Which space it's possible guys 
that that that you just see it's

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not by by default in the in the 
Configurator. 

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It maybe it should be guys, 
Hokerty, Guys, if you're 

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listening to us, just make this 
because, you know, high rise, 

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high rise trousers. 
They're popular. 

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It's nothing that is extravagant
right now, it's mainstream, so 

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maybe some update will come. 
It's, it's, it's becoming, but 

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I, I would say even if it's 
niche, it's a niche that is big 

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enough for them to actually 
propose it. 

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I mean more easily accessible 
because it is accessible. 

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They can do it. 
And so I think it's it can be 

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nice evolution to bring this 
possibility to people right 

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away. 
I must say that to their 

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defence, I understand why they 
don't necessarily do it right 

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away is because finding the 
right spot for a high rise is a 

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bit more demanding. 
It requires also for the 

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customer to know a bit better 
where. 

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You cannot change it afterwards.
Afterwards you cannot change it,

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so it requires. 
From customers to you can, but 

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it's a lot of. 
For what it is. 

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It's not worth. 
It better having it done right 

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from the start and for you as a 
customer it's only to measure 

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the from the crotch to the waist
and from the seat also the 

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crotch but on the back on the 
seat because the pieces are 

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don't have the same length. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Depends how. 
For example, if you have some 

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exact more prominent behind or 
your spine is a bit more, you 

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have more curved. 
So it's doable for you guys and 

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then you can go towards 
something more classic. 

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But for me, I would say that I 
don't. 

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If classic is dead, then it's 
it's for a reason. 

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Everything needs to evolve. 
So I think Mansfield. 

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Is menswear death? 
Yeah, exactly. 

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No, menswear is not dead at all.
But I think that menswear is 

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much more plural. 
There's much more variety 

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nowadays on what style you can 
wear. 

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You don't just have casual St. 
wear and full suit. 

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No, no. 
You have a lot of different 

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Shades of Grey. 
Yeah, you can. 

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You can have field jackets, you 
can have white trousers, you can

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have even slim trousers, for 
example, for like more rock 

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style. 
Yeah, yeah, you can have 

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everything. 
So I would say that classical 

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menswear garments are back in 
mainstream right now. 

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You know, loafers, you know 
where you have those white 

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trousers, high rise trousers. 
A lot of brands, like mainstream

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brands, have it in their. 
Offer. 

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I think it's more an inspiration
and I think that you can take, 

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if you are not completely a 
classic guy, you can still take 

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a piece here and there and 
sometimes add it to your to your

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outfit. 
And just having on one outfit a 

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piece like this, just having 
some loafers, it will elevate 

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the old look and it will go with
the old look. 

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Just wearing high rise trousers 
and wear your usual clothes 

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around it and you will see that 
just a single piece will already

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elevate. 
Your just adding for example to 

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denim and AT shirt some cool 
penny loafers for example with 

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white apron that you can order. 
You can customise at Hockerty. 

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It will elevate your style. 
Something like, I don't know, 

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Michael Jackson would wear. 
And Michael Jackson is back on 

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trend now that there's the 
movies. 

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Yeah, exactly the the premiere 
was. 

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They're gonna receive a lot of 
wear, the configuration of shoes

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and what's going on. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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But yeah. 
And the, the, the shoes are 

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Spanish made. 
So, so, so you get a lot of 

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quality for, for, for for good, 
good money. 

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Yeah. 
And yeah, like, I mean, menswear

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is not that it's, it's, it's 
going good. 

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There are a lot of brands like 
that. 

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And Hokerty is one of one of the
brands that we we had the 

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opportunity to to test and we we
tested something from more 

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formal attire. 
You had the CIS soccer. 

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I had also CIS soccer. 
Yeah, classic menswear from 90s 

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thirties is dead because we're 
100 years after that. 

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So that's the difference. 
There are some brands still 

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showing. 
Yeah, stuff like there are 

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people that are for. 
It's for some, for some it's 

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very niche. 
Exactly. 

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It's very niche and it's for me,
to be honest. 

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I will be frank and a bit harsh.
Like my environment where I grew

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up, I, I were making this joke 
all the time because I've said 

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way too many times that I grew 
up in a harsh environment. 

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So now it's became a joke. 
I would say that for me, I find 

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as strange, accept them, it's 
fine. 

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But the guys that are wearing 
like in the 30s nowadays as the 

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girls that are wearing K pop 
stuff in the street, for me, I 

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look at them the same way. 
They are disguised, you know? 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Like those strange girls or guys

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that are wearing like K pop 
stuff that are super weird. 

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I mean, it's cool. 
I mean, it's fashion. 

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It's it's, it's something to 
play with. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
For me, they are like going 

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super expressive fashion in 
worst case, because that's not 

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really relevant anymore, but 
inspiring yourself from this. 

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So I've seen guys that are from,
yeah, they're starting from a 

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base that is more classic from 
the menswear that gets 

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inspiration from the 30s, but 
also from very modern things. 

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And it looks very cool. 
It's just on the fabric, on the 

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cuts, on the colours. 
Yeah. 

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Then they would wear things that
are much more outside of the 

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box, much more. 
Maybe K Pop. 

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But what would be your crazy 
outfit that you could order? 

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Have you, have you, have you 
tried something? 

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When you were ordering from 
Hockerty, what was your? 

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What was your? 
I mean for me. 

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Do you have some something that 
you wanted to order? 

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Yeah, but for me it was really 
this CS sucker because I've 

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never worn like a very classic 
CS sucker with stripes like 

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this. 
It's a stronger pattern. 

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It's something that is 
supposedly classic, but also 

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when you're wearing it, it's a 
bit more out there. 

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So I wouldn't not necessarily 
have invested that much money 

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for a suit like this that I 
would wear very occasionally. 

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Yeah. 
But in this case I did it with 

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this one because the price was 
quite low and. 

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Also the the same high order it 
also Siyusaka. 

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That's funny because we were not
talking about that. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
But accidentally we we have been

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matching because to CS soccer 
but also not the same striping 

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so. 
I would, yeah, that's good 

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because it would be funny if we 
had the same, but also I would 

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like to see more soccer actually
at Hockerty. 

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Yeah, I think they could do 
more. 

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And also the same tone of 
colours, you know, like tonal 

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colours. 
Not only not only white stripes 

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with different. 
Yeah, they have. 

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I think they have also white and
brown C soccer. 

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Yeah, it's also cool. 
But you also had the white and 

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green. 
Yeah, yeah, I had yeah, it's, it

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was the same, just different 
colour. 

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Yeah. 
And it, it was really cool. 

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Yeah. 
I I. 

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Like it, it is very cool and but
maybe some tone on tone maybe 

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like full colour like midnight 
blue. 

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It would be a way for people to 
be a bit more formal and try 

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this fabric, which is. 
Because it's still. 

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Non formal because of the 
texture of suit soccer, but that

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the colour is not so visible 
that it's no that it's so bright

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and light and and maybe 
controversial for a lot of 

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people like ice cream guy. 
Yeah, that's but I would like to

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see more pastel colours. 
Pastel. 

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Yeah, like pastel, but like a 
suit. 

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Full suit, yeah. 
Full suit, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Like a. 

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Because it was, I think they 
have red or orange, but it was 

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too bright. 
I wanted to have something like 

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that because I don't think, I 
mean I have very weird suits 

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like pink suit and stuff, but I 
would like to have red suit but 

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maybe a bit toned down. 
I'm going actually for a red 

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jacket for PT. 
Yeah, yeah, stay tuned for this 

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one. 
That's interesting. 

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But you know, also the thing 
that I always wanted to try 

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those loafers with white, white 
apron. 

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I wanna, I, I think I'm gonna, 
I'm gonna try this. 

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By colour, yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, that actually they have 

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been a bit more out these days. 
I've seen more guys wearing them

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and it can look very nice. 
We have a few friends that are 

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wearing them, thinking about 
Derek. 

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Yeah, Savio also is wearing them
a lot. 

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So we have a few friends that 
that wear them and I, I mean 

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they managed to wear it very 
casually, actually. 

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I would like to try also more 
casual, like 5 pockets trousers,

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maybe make them a bit wider. 
That would that, that's, that 

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would be actually a custom order
from Hockerty because then you 

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need to reach out. 
But I also have other trousers 

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that could work well as a as a, 
as a pattern for, for, to order 

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it. 
Yeah, because it's just, you 

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know, you cannot have to less, 
too much trouser, too many 

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trousers. 
And I would say crazy thing that

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I would be curious to try is to 
make a suit but with Asian 

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colour. 
Yeah, they have it, Yeah. 

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Yeah, full suit like this could 
be actually quite cool, Yeah. 

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But what fabric I? 
Would maybe linen? 

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Linen, but even like black or 
like tobacco. 

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Definitely black. 
I would definitely. 

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That would you want to be Steven
Seagal? 

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Yeah. 
But you know he's. 

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Cancelled. 
I'm Steven Seagal. 

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He's cancelled. 
He he was up like man, you know,

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we're not gonna cover those 
controversial. 

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I was that close. 
You'd say something very 

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controversial that need to be 
beeped, but. 

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Yeah. 
But you know, Manswear is not 

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dead because we are talking 
about Manswear, this whole 

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podcast about Manswear and it's 
the best podcast on the on the 

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market. 
If you wonder if it's dead, it's

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to prove that it's not dead. 
It's not dead. 

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We are, we are very much alive 
here talking about about we, we,

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we are so passionate, nerdy, 
nerdy about manswear that we 

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even have our own podcast. 
So guys, but what are your 

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struggles with the menswear? 
Do you think that it's it's dead

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that you think that you need to,
for example, talk that the talk 

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of the friends are talking. 
What are you, what are you 

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wearing today? 
What is it like, for example, 

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colleagues at work? 
Is it still is it still 

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controversial that a guy is 
interested in fashion? 

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I. 
Yeah, but that's I. 

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Don't think are we interested in
fashion or we are we just like 

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I. 
Think we we have. 

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Nice clothes. 
I think we want to have style. 

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We want to stand out and we want
to bring something more than we 

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want to stand out. 
I don't really want to stand 

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out. 
I want, I don't want to stick 

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out from the crowd necessarily 
or not in that sense, not in a 

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visual sense. 
But it's more that I want to 

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bring something, you know, I 
want to bring something a bit 

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different. 
I want to inspire people. 

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I want to be cool. 
It's like when I was at school, 

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I want I, I was like trying to 
find a nice sneaker that no one 

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else would have and that 
everyone will say, wow, those 

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are cool. 
And you can, you can now you can

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customise it at Hokerty. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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But that's the follow up on 
this. 

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It's like when I was a teen, I 
wanted the cool sneakers. 

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You have guys in every level, in
every environment from the 

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ghettos, you have guys that want
the cool shoes, you know, steel.

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But we're doing the same, but in
our environment. 

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In our environment, it's not the
cool shoes anymore. 

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It's like, yeah, these cool 
trousers, these cool belts and 

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these cool outfits, so. 
Yeah, it's made for you for for 

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you especially. 
Yeah, we want to bring something

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on the table. 
I think we just want to bring 

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more. 
I think it's people that I'm 

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passionate about things and 
anything that is related to your

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own life is just they have more 
life in them. 

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They are like they want to bring
something on the table and 

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that's good. 
Everyone needs that, those 

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people around themselves. 
But also I think that Mentor is 

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not only for people that are 
interested in fashion that are 

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spending a lot of time because 
for example, if you go on on the

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on the Hockerty website or a lot
of other brands, you have a lot 

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of examples how to wear it. 
Yeah. 

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So you just you, you, you just 
choose something that is already

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there. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Customise maybe some stuff that 
OK, you like this or that and 

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like at Turnip or without and, 
and you're done. 

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And you can have and you can 
have clothes for from Monday to 

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Friday and Saturday to Sunday. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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You, you can build your world 
wardrobe on this. 

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Yeah. 
I would say that for people that

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are not so into menswear, 
actually it's interesting 

452
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,480
because you have things that are
comfortable that will be dressed

453
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,720
to your side. 
So it's going to be much better 

454
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,200
and much more durable and you're
gonna look much better in them. 

455
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,840
But also you are not so much 
into clothes, so you don't wanna

456
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,080
put too much money into it. 
So then you're the good person 

457
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,440
for what Orchid is proposing. 
It's cheaper and still the made 

458
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,640
to your needs I would say. 
So for that, that's super 

459
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,160
interesting to try it. 
And just still you look just 

460
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,200
well put together. 
Yeah, exactly. 

461
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,360
And that's, I mean, that's a 
base. 

462
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,880
I would say, and it's not 
controversial, those clothes are

463
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,960
just made how they should be. 
Yeah, no, exactly. 

464
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:19,760
So no, again, a certain type of 
menswear is dead because it's 

465
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,240
like every culture, I think a 
culture. 

466
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,120
It just evolved. 
It evolved exactly. 

467
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Otherwise it dies. 
So it would be dead if it 

468
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,400
couldn't have evolved. 
But you can tell that the suit 

469
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,640
from nowadays you can have very.
And we are still talking about 

470
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,360
classic. 
We are not going as far as 

471
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,080
saying you should wear modern 
shoes that are too tight or made

472
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,280
with spandex or whatever. 
Yeah, you know, like. 

473
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:50,640
In in 90s people thought that in
2026 men will will wear like 

474
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,040
cosmic suits, you know? 
But you've probably seen this 

475
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,560
guy that is wearing like a latex
suits like a shirt latex and 

476
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680
everyone's everything is in 
latex, yeah. 

477
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,520
But it's a it's a king. 
I think so, yeah. 

478
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,680
But it's not, we're not going to
cover this part of menswear. 

479
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,480
Not today, at least. 
So that's not our point. 

480
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,400
But we are still on classic. 
But what we think is classic and

481
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:23,240
what is timeless is proportion. 
And I would say that in the 30s 

482
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,200
there was trends, in the 40s 
there was trends. 

483
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,880
So every 10 years there was 
trends in the way people were 

484
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,120
wearing their clothes. 
And what is actually a worthless

485
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:39,800
someone, what is actually a 
classic is to stay 

486
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,360
proportionate. 
And if you go to the bespoke 

487
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,800
Catalia, this is something that 
they they will make you 

488
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200
understand. 
They more or less are always 

489
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,240
looking the same because 
disregarding the time, they are 

490
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,720
always trying to make something 
that will be comfortable wearing

491
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,320
that will be proportionate based
on your body lines also and 

492
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040
proportions is something that 
will always work. 

493
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,160
In 10,000 years, being 
proportionate will still 

494
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,120
visually be pleasing for the for
the. 

495
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,800
Ice Yeah, there are some trends 
also. 

496
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,080
Maybe two big pants, 2 high rise
or something. 

497
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Big blood belts also. 
Yeah, we have seen it all. 

498
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,080
Yeah. 
But right now I think it's 

499
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,920
everything is quite balanced. 
Yeah, yeah, it is. 

500
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,840
You will always see people like 
pushing a bit. 

501
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Maybe those trousers are maybe 
maybe too too white. 

502
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,640
Yeah, but they are also coming 
in context. 

503
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,640
They are much more casual, so 
going a bit more out in a casual

504
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,040
outfit and still OK. 
It's very wide, but also you're 

505
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,960
a bigger guy, so compared to 
your body it doesn't feel crazy.

506
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,080
It's not like those super skinny
guys that are wearing those type

507
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,160
of trousers. 
Then it feels a bit like that's 

508
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,200
a trend that's not really 
proportionate. 

509
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,680
So proportions are important. 
So if you if you maintain the 

510
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,040
rules of classic menswear, then 
it means that classic menswear 

511
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,840
is not dead because we are still
following the basic rules of 

512
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,360
aesthetic proportions and so on.
And also Hokerty gives you this 

513
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,400
opportunity that you can try 
many stuff, a lot of options. 

514
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Yeah, everything online, you 
don't need to go anywhere. 

515
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,360
And it's affordable. 
It's affordable. 

516
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,360
I think everyone can afford 
this. 

517
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,000
And I I would love everyone that
could afford this and try it by 

518
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,240
themselves. 
We were talking about this 

519
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,000
outside. 
SO OCOTY leaves us very free to 

520
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,200
say whatever we want. 
And and if we are talking about 

521
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,000
OCOTY again, it's because we 
believe that it's good in in its

522
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,280
context. 
So what they are providing for 

523
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,000
their price is very good. 
And I think that for and we have

524
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,320
been identifying along those 
different podcast who it is I 

525
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,480
create for. 
And and I would say that in this

526
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,600
context, it's very good and it's
very interesting. 

527
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600
And you can push them a bit 
further. 

528
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,440
You can ask them different 
design option that maybe you 

529
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
cannot see from the website. 
It's going to be an extra cost, 

530
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,960
but you can even push it a bit 
further to make it more classic 

531
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,080
and something that you will be 
pleased wearing longer. 

532
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,680
But we were talking about this 
earlier, if I take the first 

533
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,480
suit I was wearing, which was a 
Zara suit, yeah. 

534
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,800
And I was so proud to wear it. 
Yeah, it was very bad compared 

535
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,760
to this Orkut suit that is 
around the same price and I. 

536
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,840
I think yeah, the price right 
now the. 

537
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,560
Price is the same, yeah. 
And, and it's yet much better 

538
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:45,400
garment in terms of fabric cut, 
design options and just yeah, 

539
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,720
classicalness it, it is a much 
better than the one that I wore 

540
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,800
like 20 years ago when I was 
trying my first suits. 

541
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Yeah, that's a great summary of 
those 4 episodes, actually. 

542
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,680
Yeah. 
So it's nice, like guys just 

543
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,400
play with fashion. 
Yeah, Affordable fashion for the

544
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,560
beginners, yeah, but also for 
somebody that wanna just try 

545
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,960
something different. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

546
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,560
You can go a bit more advance 
and the quality will be good. 

547
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,840
They have a good team behind 
themselves. 

548
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,120
They you should not expect 
something crazy. 

549
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,320
It's still you can have suit in 
between €250 and 350, so in that

550
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,320
range which is very cheap. 
So don't expect a big bespoke 

551
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,600
suit, but you can expect to well
put together suit with the 

552
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,640
decent fabrics and decent cuts 
which is not. 

553
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,360
Ordered comfortably from your 
coach. 

554
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,280
Yeah, from home. 
So for that they are definitely 

555
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,240
in the entrance level, some of 
the best proposition in the 

556
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,440
market and we can vouch for that
at least. 

557
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,480
Yeah, and I think from your 
couch, not from your coach. 

558
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,880
Yeah, your coach. 
You need to ask me feel. 

559
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Great, you need to ask your 
coach, but you can. 

560
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720
You can order from your couch. 
With your coach. 

561
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Exactly or even from any other? 
So far, yeah. 

562
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,840
Be careful. 
We're gonna be cancelled if we 

563
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,400
keep going that line. 
OK guys, so I hope that you like

564
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,240
those four 4 episodes. 
Give leave us a comment how you 

565
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,760
like Hockerty and what garment 
you're gonna order and what 

566
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
outfit was the best. 
Exactly what did you prefer from

567
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,520
those 4 episode? 
What outfits that we were 

568
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,560
wearing was the best? 
I think I I started to like this

569
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,080
field jacket even more. 
It yeah, it just looks, it just 

570
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,000
looks much more expensive that 
it was. 

571
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Yeah. 
And that's cool. 

572
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,760
That's a good time. 
And it's. 

573
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Dinner and yeah, yeah, I like 
it. 

574
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,840
Yeah, I think it's gonna edge in
a nice way actually. 

575
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,640
Very fresh. 
OK, guys. 

576
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,280
See you. 
Later. 

577
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,440
See you in the next one. 
Ciao guys.

