1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,560 Which film did you most enjoy doing Peter Sellers and is it 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:08,720 now looking back the same film? Well, I enjoyed playing very 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,720 much. I enjoyed very much playing 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,160 Claire, Quilty and Lolita a long way back. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,360 Now just to the 1st 5 minutes of that film I enjoyed very much. 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,760 I like to do, I like that and I think it looks good when you 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,120 watch it on the screen. I don't believe by any means 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,240 that I've even begun to do what's inside me. 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,760 I have a burning sort of fire inside me to do certain things 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,320 which I know I'm going to do and I'm going to defeat all these 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,520 Berks that are around me and I'm going to do it. 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,240 I'm going to do it one of these days, and I think very soon 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,480 because I'm getting that way now, because I've, I mean, I 14 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:54,800 have a name of being very difficult. 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,720 I'm not difficult at all. I just cannot take mediocrity. 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,720 I just cannot take it on any level. 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,040 And I'm not difficult. It's just when people just don't 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,640 seem to know or have the basic knowledge of what makes A&B tick 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,400 that gets me. You know, for example, I, I, I, 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:19,120 I'm often written up as being, you know, nasty on the set. 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,720 I'm not nasty on the set at all. It's just that when you try to 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,880 argue a point with somebody, not argue discuss a point with 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,680 somebody, you see Kubrick, I always keep bringing Kubrick up 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,640 because he's a great person that way. 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,080 I mean, you can discuss anything with him and you can Chuck ideas 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,400 at each other and the outcome of the thing will either be his or 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,240 yours. The end product is all that 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,320 matters. The end product. 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,680 So you don't have to carry the argument away from the set. 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,240 You can be good friends off the set, but you can argue your 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,040 bloody heads off on the set. It doesn't matter. 32 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:26,640 The Hello and welcome to Goon Pod, the podcast that casts a 33 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,560 wry and occasionally wary eye over the combined oeuvre of Mrs. 34 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,440 Milligan, Sellers, Seek him and Bentin. 35 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,800 And that's all very well when it's a Pink Panther film, or 36 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,080 Spike playing a comedy postman, or Bentin with his potties. 37 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,320 But this week we're covering somewhat darker ground. 38 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,920 This week, we're talking about Stanley Kubrick's film 39 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:51,040 adaptation of Vladimir Nabokov's controversial novel Lolita, 40 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,000 starring James Mason, Sue Lyon, Shelly Winters and everyone's 41 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,240 favorite radio funny man Peter Sellers as the dissolute 42 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,720 playwright and predator Claire Quilty. 43 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,320 And joining me to talk about this fabulous film. 44 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Is it a fabulous film? I think so. 45 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,400 Joining me to talk about this fabulous film is returning guest 46 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,280 Patrick Strain. Hello, Patrick. 47 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,800 Tyler, Hello. How are you? 48 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,600 I'm very good. I mean, it's just about to get 49 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,200 through that intro. Need some tongue twisters? 50 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,720 That's what you need. Yeah. 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,320 Red lorry. Yellow lorry, yeah. 52 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Sells sells chips. I can't even do it myself. 53 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,880 People always ask me about my warmups. 54 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,880 I just say I'm Irish. It's a there's a friend of mine 55 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,400 who does a lot of work for Radio 4. 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,920 He goes his warm up, is a singer out on a quick cough and I'm 57 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,240 good to go. Quick cough, quick cough. 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,360 So. Like a hacking cough like. 59 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,760 Well, just like a puff and then then off. 60 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,040 The road. Fair enough. 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,320 OK. So and, and and what are you 62 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,240 doing at the moment, Patrick? So at the moment, UK listeners 63 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,920 can see me for three seconds in the Metropolitan Police's new ad 64 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,720 campaign. You can hear me say the words, 65 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,480 you're a little liar. So I'm, I'm domestic man, the 66 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,280 new Marvel superhero in that one. 67 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,320 And then people in London can head down to London Bridge to 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,280 the reconstruction of the Golden Hinds. 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,600 I've been running some actor LED workshops for children now this 70 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,320 summer. Wonderful that, because when you 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,280 joined the call, right at the outset, you were, as I said, you 72 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:25,560 were very much bright and breezy, hat on the side of the 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,920 head. You, you were full of them and 74 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,640 vigor, full of piss and vinegar. Can I say that? 75 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,840 It was. It's your show, Tyler. 76 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,720 And whereas I sound lugubrious and Moody and sullen and, and, 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,160 and there's such a contrast. But if you've been, it sounds 78 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,920 like you've been doing some some some really interesting fun 79 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,760 work, then well. Like all things, I just kind of, 80 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,160 I kind of keep myself busy and the weather has just been 81 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,720 glorious and Virgo is under the ascent apparently. 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,760 So that's been keeping me cheery since Saturday. 83 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,600 And also, I've ended up being an Amazon bestseller due to what 84 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,720 the Carl Frampton autobiography I did last year. 85 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,600 I mean, it's no extra money, but it's, it's, it's a nice little 86 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,360 I, I take the wins, if you know what I mean. 87 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:08,440 Yes, very good. As as one review as one reviewer 88 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,400 said, he's fine 95% of the time. Not sure what the over 5% were. 89 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:16,320 Jesus, I would say that as a massive win if I was fine 95% of 90 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:22,160 the time. So Patrick, last time you were 91 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,920 on which was was in last year. Yeah, it was last year. 92 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Yes, yes. Yeah, talking about a rather 93 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,960 problematic film with Peter Sellers in it. 94 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,560 And you've returned to talk about a problematic film with 95 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,880 Peter Sellers in it. Yeah, we should do. 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,320 We should do a series called The Problematic Peter Sellers. 97 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Yeah, Yeah. Now, I think I should right at 98 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,920 the outset, before we start talking, I, I don't know, I, I 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,280 just want to say, look, this film is that we're going to talk 100 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:53,520 about, it's based on a, on a controversial novel and, and, 101 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,360 and the themes in it have, I suppose, if anything, become 102 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,120 even more controversial perhaps as time has gone on. 103 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,040 Well, I, I saw a Twitter spot with JK Rowling, surprise, 104 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,280 surprise, but with, she mentions Novakov's novel and she 105 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,760 mentions, she says something like it's, she thinks is a great 106 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,320 romantic story and somebody sort of fights back and goes like, it 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,440 is a great novel, but it's a great novel because it's the, 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,120 it's a great example of the untruthful narrator. 109 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,200 And, you know, in many ways they're having this argument. 110 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,360 And I thought to myself, you know, both are true. 111 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,640 You can look at this this novel either way and both both of 112 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,440 arguments are relevant, but even even today this book would still 113 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,560 spark a lot of controversy. I mean, yeah, but The thing is, 114 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,960 it's so beautifully written and, and look, we're going to, I'm 115 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,120 sure that we won't be saying, we won't be saying anything 116 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,480 explicitly offensive or upsetting, but but there will be 117 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,280 certain plot points that will be unavoidable. 118 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:57,400 So I, I hope and trust that we can manage to get the tone 119 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,560 right, you know, keep it light. But so yes. 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,120 Lolita from 1962, directed by Stanley Kubrick. 121 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,640 So why this film? Again, I remember again, you 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,600 sort of have the two Kubrick films. 123 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,720 You have Doctor Strangelove and you have Lolita with Sellers. 124 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,440 And it's quite interesting because I think Doctor 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,480 Strangelove is a film that's almost taken on a life of its 126 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,120 own. You know, Secret Cinema did a 127 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,200 show. There's not even going to be a 128 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,920 West End play with Steve Hoogan. And the film is always really 129 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,360 every anniversary gets a re release. 130 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,720 I've got the re, the last re release coaster in my room from 131 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,440 the Prince Charles cinema. But what I find quite 132 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,280 interesting is that this is the film that their collaboration 133 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,680 starts. And I think I, I, it's one of my 134 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,920 favorite Kubrick films. It's also the favorite Kubrick 135 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,160 of David Lynch, Sofia Coppola, and Paul Thomas Anderson. 136 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,400 I, it's a great, I sort of believe that Sellers as an 137 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,600 actor, Sellers makes 3-4 great choices in his early career. 138 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,080 And those four great early choices are the lady killers. 139 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,000 I'm all right Jack, this film, Lolita and the Pink Panther, 140 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,640 because I feel they show what Seller's star quality was. 141 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,200 And so our star quality is stealing the show. 142 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,480 And those films are the great examples of him stealing the 143 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,880 show from other actors. Which is quite interesting 144 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,440 because when he's done a sense to being a star, the idea of 145 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,520 someone stealing a scene from him becomes the thing he most 146 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,880 despises. The great examples being John 147 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,600 Cleese and the Magic Christian where he gets Joe McGrath to 148 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,760 refilm the scene. And then also there is the film 149 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,520 The Bobo, where I, I don't know the actor's name, but he plays 150 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,120 the when they go to the dress shop with Brett Eckland. 151 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,520 And apparently there that was a you can even see it in the scene 152 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,920 itself. There's a real anger coming from 153 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,240 Peter Sellers because the focus is the upper actor who's being 154 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,840 very, very funny. So I always find that very 155 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,000 interesting that Sellers is a very clever early in his career 156 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,440 to take these sort of roles, but then when he is the leading 157 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,520 actor, he's not so generous on the way he died. 158 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,280 He kind of pulls the ladder up, so to speak. 159 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,280 So he's always selfish and he was an only child. 160 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,160 Not that that's an indication of anything to add, but he had a 161 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,880 particularly indulgent mother, yes, and he got everything he 162 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,160 wanted. Yeah, yeah. 163 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Also as well for Kubrick, it's a very, very again, just kind of 164 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,040 coming back to myself. I think I remember Tyler, I 165 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,840 mentioned, you know, sort of sellers was kind of my 166 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,120 introduction to sort of the world of cinema. 167 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,640 You know, how what a film Star Wars and so forth. 168 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,640 I'm not kind of start of one of my, my loves of and becoming 169 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,880 sort of an amateur cinephile, but I always kind of say that I 170 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,800 knew the word Kubrick before I knew the word director. 171 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,000 Sort of like growing up in the house, I would see the Kubrick 172 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,960 collection, you know, we had Barry Lyndon and Full Metal 173 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Jacket. I remember those VHS tapes and 174 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,360 they were just very, very specific because they used to 175 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,640 release them with the, the white cover with the poster on the 176 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,480 front and the Kubrick collection. 177 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,680 And I always just remember that being so distinctive. 178 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,360 And as I said, I I knew the word Kubrick before director. 179 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,840 And I think this film comes at a very interesting time for 180 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,400 Kubrick because it's the first, it's his first film that he has 181 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,720 complete creative control. You know, his projects just 182 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,200 prior to this. He's been fired off one eyed 183 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,600 Jack in 1958 by Marlon Brando. He then gets which at the time 184 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,520 when he's fired he does say to I'm not sure he's interviewed by 185 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,000 but he does mention that he's working on an adaptation of 186 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Lolita because in 50 years he gets released. 187 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,240 The the novel gets released in 55 in the UK. 188 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,080 No one no one reviews it except for Graham Greene. 189 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Graham Greene says it's one of the top three books of the year. 190 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,320 Hence everyone then starts reviewing. 191 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,040 It doesn't get released in America till 58 and from the fee 192 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 of the one Eyed Jack and his fee for doing Spartacus, which he 193 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,600 moves on to later, he's actually able to buy the rights for 194 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,040 Lolita with his producing partner at the time James B 195 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Harris. But what's interesting is 196 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,200 mentioning 1 Eyed Jackie then moves on to Spartacus because 197 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Anthony Mann gets fired and Kirk Douglas who was in passive glory 198 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,280 brings him on. But what happens on Spartacus is 199 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,400 he's told you can't be the Stanley Kubrick of passive glory 200 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,560 or the killing. You have to be a director for 201 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:22,600 hire. You have to stick to Dalton 202 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,440 Trumbo's script and you have to stick to the shooting slot we 203 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,240 already have going. So what's interesting is he's 204 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:33,360 working on Lolita while doing Spartacus, the kind of almost 205 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,880 relieve himself of the board, a bit like Woody Allen on Casino 206 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,160 Royale, where he writes an entire Broadway play. 207 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,480 Don't drink the water because he's so great creatively stifled 208 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,680 on set. So this is the first film that 209 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,000 he has full creative control and it's the first film he shoots in 210 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,240 England as well. How did that come about? 211 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:53,520 I never quite got to the bottom of that because he's, he's 212 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,880 pretty much anchored in England from the early 60s because he 213 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,920 doesn't like flying. But he presumably, well, not 214 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:04,360 necessarily flew, but he he came to England with what purpose? 215 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,840 I don't actually know what the purpose was originally. 216 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,720 He kind of, he sort of seems to be a bit like he sort of comes 217 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,800 here and he falls in love and then stays and spends, you know, 218 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,200 until, until he dies. It does mean that all his films, 219 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,360 yeah, necessarily like The Shining. 220 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,960 Yeah, yeah. Which is very much set in 221 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,000 America. Yeah, yeah, and, and, and this 222 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,680 film as well. And also Doctor Strangelove 223 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:33,520 again, A Full Metal Jacket filmed filmed filmed in London. 224 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,880 It was Battersea or somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 225 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,200 Battersea. Battersea is the the 226 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,280 battlefields of of Vietnam. So yeah. 227 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,920 But again, there's a Shelley Winters, he appears in this film 228 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,640 because she mentions high on this particular project he 229 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,560 cycled everywhere and she even offered her limousine one time 230 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:54,760 to Kubrick and he said no. And then she questioned how on 231 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,080 earth he ever got to Ireland to film Barry Lyndon. 232 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,800 Because again, I think that's one of the last films he does 233 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,720 where there is location filming out in Ireland. 234 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:05,320 Right. But again, I think he spent 235 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,200 about a couple of weeks there. Then there was a bomb threat 236 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,520 from the IRA and he flew back. What happened? 237 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,800 What I know about this film is that a lot of the money was 238 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,320 raised in England under the under the umbrella that you had 239 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,800 to spend it in England. So I was always under the belief 240 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,760 that that's why it that's why the film is filmed in England. 241 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,360 I think he ends up in England, falls in love, and then just 242 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,120 spends the rest of his career over here. 243 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,320 That's kind of what my understanding always was. 244 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Yeah. And there was, I know that there 245 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,320 was obviously a second unit in America shooting. 246 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,840 Yes, yes, yeah. But there is when we will come 247 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,520 to it. There's the penultimate scene of 248 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:51,080 the film where he goes to visit Lolita and it and I was watching 249 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,480 it again. I've seen this film many times 250 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,800 and I was watching it again for this and it and I've forgotten 251 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,680 that it was filmed in England. And I I didn't buy, I I did buy 252 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:01,320 it that he was that Humbert. Humbert was driving through a a, 253 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,440 a rather rough looking suburb of some other Midwest American. 254 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,120 Yeah. I mean, I, I to be honest, I, 255 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,880 you do get a few critics that go like quite clearly filmed in 256 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,720 England and I don't I actually disagree. 257 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,400 I I very much buy into the world that Kubrick creates in this 258 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,240 film far more than because there's that famous. 259 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,640 So where Michael Winter films Death Wish three, I can't 260 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,160 remember out in England, out in London. 261 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,160 And then Michael Winter in his biography claims I never watched 262 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,720 that movie. And they said, how did you get? 263 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,720 How did how are you able to film in in New York? 264 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,200 No, darling, we did it all in London. 265 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,200 But you watch that film now and you go, it's quite clearly like 266 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,000 there's no skyscrapers. Is that? 267 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,400 Doug Douglas heard. Douglas I've I've one set of 268 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,600 voices, they all sound to see him. 269 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,160 I'm down there. It's just a commercial. 270 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:58,720 I'm guessing you've read the novel. 271 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,960 I read the novel years and years ago. 272 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,200 So you're back? Yeah. 273 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,200 I still have a copy of it now. I sort of flicked through it 274 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,120 recently. But like all things. 275 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,360 And again, this is sort of one of the reasons I quite like 276 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Kubrick. You know, it's Kubrick's Lolita. 277 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,160 It's not Nabokov's Lolita. It's, you know, it's Kubrick's 278 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,680 Clockwork Orange. It's not Burgess. 279 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,120 It's not. It's not King's The Shining. 280 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,160 It's. It's Kubrick's. 281 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,480 He very much puts his own stamp. And again, we'll talk about this 282 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,680 when we're talking about Peter Sellers, because the Claire 283 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Quilty character of the novel and Adrian Lynn's adaptation in 284 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,640 the 90s is not the Claire Quilty we have in Kubrick's, Kubrick's 285 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,280 film. Are you quilty? 286 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,040 No, I'm Spartacus. You come to free the slaves or 287 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,600 something? Are you quilty? 288 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Yeah. I am Quilty. 289 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:57,120 Yeah, sure. Hey, What you what you putting 290 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,040 your gloves on for, Captain? Your hands colder some. 291 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,400 Shall we have a little chat before we start? 292 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:10,040 Before we start, wow. All righty, all righty. 293 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,040 No, no, listen, listen, listen. Let's have a game, a little 294 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,240 lovely game of Roman ping pong. Like 2 civilized senators. 295 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:28,160 Roman pink. You're supposed to say Roman 296 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,720 Palm. OK. 297 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,240 You, Sir. I don't mind. 298 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:33,880 I don't. I just don't mind. 299 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Come on. I read the book probably 20 300 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,120 years ago. Something like that. 301 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,440 I've been a big fan of Martin Amis for Better or ill, and he 302 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:50,920 was a huge Nabokov nut. Nabokov and Sol Bellow seem to 303 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,200 remember. Anyway, he was a big advocate of 304 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,880 everything to do with Nabokov. So I went through a period of of 305 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,520 reading a few Nabokov novels. I got onto Lolita and I 306 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,480 absolutely adored it, even though obviously I knew I knew 307 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,000 what the subject matter was going in. 308 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,880 But you just get carried away on the prose and and it's 309 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,119 beautifully written. Now I haven't reread it, but I 310 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,520 did like you. I've skimmed through it for this 311 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,520 and it there's obviously, yeah, there's there's a lot of changes 312 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:23,119 and and the Claire Quilty Quilty character is expanded. 313 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,520 Now the film is what, 2 1/2 hours just over. 314 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,200 Yeah, yeah. 2 1/2 hours long. Longest film that Peter Sellers 315 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,360 ever appeared in. Yes, but he's only in it for a 316 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:37,960 total of 34 minutes. However, it was very interesting 317 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,960 the way that it begins with the end. 318 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,760 Yes, well, apparently the reason for that is Kubrick wasn't he 319 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:53,720 thought that once Humpert seduces Lolita, he thinks that 320 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,720 that the novel actually got a bit boring until that final 321 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,400 scene. Yeah, sags in the middle kind. 322 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,160 Of yeah, sags in the middle. So he said I sacrificed I 323 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,560 sacrificed a great ending to have a better beginning. 324 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,000 So again, then the film ends up sort of in, in flashback, but 325 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,600 again, the, the, the book itself is in flashback. 326 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,280 He's a, he's in prison sort of telling his story. 327 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,960 So again, in many ways, he's sort of taken the same idea but 328 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,480 done it, done it differently. Thinking about it now, just it's 329 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,240 a bit similar to in that that conceit that he's in prison 330 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,280 writing his life story or his. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 331 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,520 Kind hearts and coronets. Kind hearts and coronets? 332 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Absolutely. Yeah, exactly. 333 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,640 And it is that kind of, yeah, it's interesting that Kubrick 334 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,600 doesn't go for that because it is all set up for him in the 335 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,560 book. But he doesn't, he doesn't go 336 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,680 for that. He go, as you said, he puts the 337 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,960 end, which is the demise of Claire Quilty at the start of 338 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,120 the film. So the audience member watching 339 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:02,120 this, all they see is a man who who is going to murder another 340 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:03,200 man. We don't know. 341 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:04,760 We don't know who Claire Quilty is. 342 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,400 We get to understand that he's a bit weird, bit bit odd, bit 343 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,000 strange. But we don't know what the what 344 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,200 the motive is. We don't know his back story, 345 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,560 but we also know that he's going to die. 346 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,160 We don't know why. We want to find out why. 347 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,400 So we stick with the film. But it's interesting that, you 348 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,040 know, Nabokov seemed quite happy for Kubrick, because I think 349 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,480 Nabokov originally was given the task of writing the screenplay 350 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,520 with 400 pages or something. Well, Nabokov to Nabokov wrote a 351 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,040 screenplay without being commissioned is what I was 352 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,800 always. He sort of broke one and sort of 353 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,080 tried to bandy it a bike. So it wasn't that James B Harris 354 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,360 and Kubrick commissioned him to write a screenplay. 355 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,880 He'd written one already. As you said, it was 400 pages. 356 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,680 And I think somebody, James B Harris, someone asked James B 357 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,560 Harris, could you read it? He said you could barely lift 358 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,080 it. So he wrote a screenplay and, 359 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,520 and the what happened was then they bought the rights. 360 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,920 They bought the rights and would have got the screenplay as well 361 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,400 along with it. And what then happened was that 362 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,040 Kubrick gave sort of Nabokov a second chance to collaborate on 363 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,280 basically do another, another draft. 364 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,560 But I think what they've kind of worked out is like, I think 365 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,680 maybe 20% of Nabokov's work ends up in the film. 366 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,360 And then, interesting. Interestingly, he's the one who 367 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,280 gets nominated for an Academy Award. 368 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,880 Yeah, but also interestingly, you would have expected the the 369 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,520 opposite He he did quite like the Finnish movie. 370 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,440 Yeah, he very, very much like the Finnish movie. 371 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,560 It was a big guy. He was very complimentary of the 372 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,520 cast, except for the casting of Sue Lyons. 373 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,240 I think he wanted a French actress instead. 374 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,880 Well, I know that he said about about the revised script. 375 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,120 Obviously like you say, he had 20% input I suppose at, at, at, 376 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,400 at the final reckoning. But he said in a very typical 377 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,880 way that watching the finished product, watching the film of 378 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,240 Lolita was like a scenic drive, as perceived by the horizontal 379 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,480 passenger of an ambulance. That's. 380 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,000 A brilliant quote I like. That yeah, yeah. 381 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,600 That's great because it is like, in many ways it is a bit of a 382 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,640 rude movie. Yeah, it is it it, it really is. 383 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Should we? Can we talk about the principal 384 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,840 actors for a kick off of? Course. 385 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,760 Because again, if you don't, if you haven't read the novel, if 386 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,600 you just watch the film, you'd be forgiven for thinking that. 387 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,640 So we have James Mason, the great James James. 388 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,640 Mason yes. I was waiting for that. 389 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,400 This is a prostitute. Oh, I'm doing that film next 390 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,800 week. I There you go. 391 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,600 You can drop me. I'll, I'll you can drop that 392 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,360 clip in there. This is a prostitute. 393 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,880 Yeah. So, yeah, you've got James Mason 394 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,720 is Humpert. Humpert. 395 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,440 Humpert, but you'd be forgiven for assuming that he is an 396 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,680 Englishman. Yes, he's meant to be meant to 397 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,880 be a Frenchman, but he's he's only, he's just referred to as 398 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,560 European. That that's it. 399 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,920 And and he's never his nationality is never specified, 400 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,440 but he to me, James Mason is really perfect casting for this. 401 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,440 Oh yeah. I think he needed someone who's 402 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,800 who's who is who comes across as European, not just English. 403 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Yeah, right. So, so, you know, I was thinking 404 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,160 who else could have played it? And I think it's one like Paul 405 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,960 Schofield. Yeah, well the interesting thing 406 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,400 is the original choices you have, it was offered to Cary 407 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,000 Grant who turned it down and discussed the the Lawrence 408 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,160 Olivier who turned it down, though he had the same agents as 409 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,000 Kubrick at the time. And interestingly he turns down 410 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,400 Lolita but then ends up doing a a similar film in the same year 411 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,840 called Term of Trial with Sarah Miles. 412 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,960 So he turns down Lolita and then does this other film which is 413 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,200 the debut of Terence Stamp. Actually one of the interesting 414 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,120 stories is that Errol Flynn was up for the part, but he insisted 415 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:54,400 that his lover at the time, Beverly Garland play the Lolita 416 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,600 role. So that next that part, David, 417 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,080 David Niven apparently accepted the part but then had to give it 418 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,520 up because of the time he was doing ATV show. 419 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,280 And at the time TV shows were all about sponsorship, you know, 420 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,640 cigarette companies and stuff like that. 421 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,320 So when his sponsors discovered that he had agreed to be in this 422 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,560 adaptation of Lolita, they said we will pull all the sponsorship 423 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,400 for your TV show unless you turn it down. 424 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,920 So he turned down the rule. He'd have been completely wrong 425 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,000 though I think extremely. Wrong. 426 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,400 Yeah, yeah. He's too. 427 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,760 He's too British. Yes, yes, yes, and two straight, 428 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,960 I think so one of my favorite stories. 429 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,440 And I think Mason gets this perfect and it's constantly he 430 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,000 holds on to throughout the entire film. 431 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,320 Apparently Kubrick said to him and you know, he wears that 432 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,080 white suit in the scene where he's at the dance. 433 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:53,040 So Kubrick said to him be or being be, you know, be the the 434 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,040 perfect, the perfect gentleman. But the moment someone touches 435 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,000 your suit, give them a look like you're going to pull their arms 436 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,080 off. And I feel like that's the 437 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,920 performance he gives. And I think he only of all those 438 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,600 actors I mentioned Olivier Flynn, Noël Coward. 439 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,160 No, Coward was apparently offered it. 440 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,920 They plays a kind of he plays a similar role in Bunny Lick is 441 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,000 missing. Rex Harrison was offered it as 442 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,120 well. But I think out of all of them, 443 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,440 again, because Mason's background, he, he, he starts 444 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,040 off, he becomes a leading man because he's a villain. 445 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,400 You know, he starts off in those games for melodramas. 446 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,080 You know, the man in grey, the wicked lady, that was his star 447 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,960 persona and he does have that. He can play that or being 448 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,120 gentleman, but he's got that little bit a bit like Dennis 449 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,960 Price. There's just there's there's a 450 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,480 little undercurrent going on. And George Sanders, there's a 451 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,720 there's an undercurrent going on there. 452 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,480 And I think that, as you said, they're missing his perfect 453 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,160 casting. He was the first choice, but he 454 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,000 was doing a Broadway play, so you have to turn it down. 455 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,720 Then luckily all those over actors turned it down and then 456 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,280 he quit the play and did this adaptation of Lolita instead. 457 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:05,160 This is a confession. I love you Last Sunday in 458 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,600 church, my dear one. When I asked the Lord what to do 459 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,160 about it, I was told to act as I am acting now. 460 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,560 You see, there's no alternative. I have loved you from the minute 461 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,720 I saw you. I am a passionate and lonely 462 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,000 woman and you are the love of my life. 463 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,720 Now you know, so you will. Please, at once, pack and leave. 464 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,040 This is a landlady's order. I'm dismissing the lodger. 465 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,440 I'm kicking you out. Go. 466 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,080 Scram. Departe. 467 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,600 I shall be back by dinner time. I do not wish to find you in the 468 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,280 house. You see, Sherry, if you decided 469 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,320 to stay, if I found you at home, which I know I won't, and that's 470 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,520 why I'm able to go go on like this. 471 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,960 The fact of your remaining would only mean one thing. 472 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:10,800 That you, that you want me as much as I do, you as a lifelong 473 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:17,400 mate, and you, you are ready to link up your life with mine 474 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,200 forever and ever and be a father to my little girl. 475 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:28,960 Goodbye dear one. Pray for me if you ever pray. 476 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaking of Mason, because obviously I had mentioned all 477 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,320 those names sort of associated with that part, I can't, I've 478 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,800 never found anyone mention any of our actors offer the Claire 479 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,720 Quilty part. Well, in the book cruelty is 480 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,000 older. He's older and and he's a 481 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,120 shadow. You know, the as, as we keep 482 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,000 saying that the rule is very much expanded. 483 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,600 He's a bit like Harry Lime. He's more talked about than 484 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,840 seen. What I found when I was reading, 485 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,240 not reading, flicking through and reading bits of the novel to 486 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,400 prepare for this, He's, Yeah, like you say, he's a shadowy 487 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,120 figure. He never really comes into the 488 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,160 open. Yeah, he's he's he's a poster on 489 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,440 the wall. He's he gets mentioned at the 490 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,040 dance because of his uncle doing, which gets mentioned in 491 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,520 this film as well. But he's actually present and. 492 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,200 There's a few there's a few remnants of of the the novel 493 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,280 that turned out in the film, which make no sense. 494 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:42,160 But like he's he's he's referred to as trap TTRA Double P by 495 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Humbert a couple of times because he reminds him of his of 496 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,920 Humbert's Uncle Gustav. Yes, yes. 497 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,960 And we'll return to that because there's a, there's a reference 498 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,160 later on you you said about at the dance, they talk about his 499 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,040 his uncle. Uncle Ivor. 500 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,840 Yeah, but that, that's never referred to again. 501 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,040 Yeah, never referred to again. Yeah, yeah. 502 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:09,320 Yeah, and in the novel and, and of course in the film, Claire 503 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,960 Quilty, again, it's it's an opportunity for Sellers to show 504 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,560 off his, his, you know, his talent as a, as a comic 505 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,600 chameleon. There's a scene, there's a very 506 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,840 amusing scene where he plays Doctor Zemp in the novel. 507 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,440 I believe that part of the the story is more or less performed 508 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,880 by a teacher at the school for Miss Pratt. 509 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,360 Yes, yes. Which again is PRA double T 510 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:41,640 which trap Pratt, I presume that's deliberate that kind of 511 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:48,600 the of the but they said yes, Sellers is masterful in this 512 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040 film and he's just given pretty much free. 513 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,840 He seems to be given free rein. I'm going to quote quite a bit 514 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,760 from Roger Lewis. Roger Lewis, because Roger Lewis 515 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,000 said that in this film it is as if somebody has already made the 516 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800 James Mason Shelley went to Sue Lyon film. 517 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,400 And then Elves and Goblins got at the negative and interspersed 518 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,680 it with Sellers. That's that, yeah. 519 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,040 I was about to say because going back to the novel and and Adrian 520 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,680 Lynn's film adaptation as well, he is a shadow. 521 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,480 And there's even times where you would question whether he's 522 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320 there or not. It might be all in Hump. 523 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880 There's a there's a reading of the book that Humbert Humbert 524 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,200 invents, that Claire Quilty is kind of there. 525 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,440 Yeah, that's as an interpretation because he sort 526 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,440 of, it's almost kind of, again, it's a film about, you know, the 527 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,800 two predators. And in many ways, you could 528 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800 argue Humbert Humbert creates the Quilty character to say, 529 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,040 well, I can't be as bad because there's him as well, you know, 530 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,040 is that he's worse. So he's like a doppelganger of. 531 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,880 Yeah, exactly. Going like you may think, you 532 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,040 may think I'm bad, but this guy, you can interpret it that way. 533 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,760 And but I like what I like about that newest thing is that he's 534 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,160 not a shadow in this film. He's almost like a Sprite. 535 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,720 He's an evil Pixie who just kind of comes in, disrupts the the as 536 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,120 I said, it's a road movie and he's the roadblocks. 537 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,320 He is. That's brilliant. 538 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,960 My putting it, yeah. It's interesting because I think 539 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,680 Roger Lewis also mentions how James Mason got quite jealous of 540 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Sellers on this film for stealing the show. 541 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,720 And apparently he said to someone like, you know, if I 542 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 knew, if I knew he was going to steal the show, I would have 543 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,680 played the Claire Quilty part. But there's no way that Claire 544 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,720 Quilty part would have been like that if you had James Mason in 545 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,960 the rule. This is very much Kubrick seeing 546 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,760 Sellers, and apparently one of the reasons that Kubrick cast 547 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,040 Sellers because he'd heard the best of Sellers, the LP 548 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,800 apparently that was, and the Battle of the sexes. 549 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,920 Apparently, these were the two things that he's seen Sellers in 550 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,880 and had decided to cast them in this film. 551 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,200 But the weird thing is the battle of the sexes. 552 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,800 Sellers plays an older man, a very a very meek older man. 553 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840 Yeah, Yeah. But luckily, Sellers got the 554 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,320 got, got the gig. And Kubrick told Sellers, like 555 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,760 we say, he could more or less improvise. 556 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960 Now. James Mason later wrote in his 557 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,120 memoirs that at one point Sellers told him that he didn't 558 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,720 actually particularly enjoy improvising. 559 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,760 Which I'm not buying that unless it was just Sellers being 560 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,840 Sellers and just being contrary of, you know, it was the, the 561 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600 mood he was in on that day prompted him to say that to 562 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,720 Mason. But Kubrick said that Sellers, 563 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,000 even when he wasn't on form, because often he turned up to 564 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,120 the set in the morning, he'd been a bit of a bit of a fug, 565 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,920 bit of a bit of a bait. And but gradually, over time, 566 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520 he'd fall into the spirit of the character and, and would take 567 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,680 off and, and his spirit would lift and his mood would lift 568 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,800 until he reached what Kubrick would call a state of comic 569 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,480 ecstasy. Yes, yes. 570 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,480 Well, I always find their collaboration very interesting 571 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,320 because Kubrick would have, I think like 2-3 cameras on him to 572 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,560 catch like that at that moment of comic ecstasy. 573 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,800 And I was always, I'm sure you knew, well, no, Tyler Sellers 574 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,200 was not a man who'd like to do more multiple takes. 575 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760 Whereas Kubrick, who's known for doing multiple takes and you 576 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,520 can't, you can see it, that behind the scenes shot with him 577 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,120 and Shelley Duvall on The Shining when you get into that 578 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,800 big fight. But because Kubrick quite 579 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,320 clearly must have been in awe of him and all of his talents that 580 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,400 he changes how he films to accommodate Sellers. 581 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400 Yes, there is not. Have you seen that chap that 582 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,960 Sellers does at the BFI, him and Milligan where he talks about, 583 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440 you know, I can't stand media. You know, I, you know, people 584 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,360 say I'm difficult, but it's just I can't stand mediocrity. 585 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,840 And all this, again, if he's on the right wavelength of a 586 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,840 filmmaker, as he was with Kubrick, was with the boltings 587 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,480 early on. Obviously later on their 588 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,720 relationship falters with soft beds, hard battles. 589 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,120 Blake It. Blake Edwards. 590 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,600 Blake Edwards, Another example very early on. 591 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240 Think Panther shot in the dark, then falls a bit apart later on. 592 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,440 But then with Kubrick and Ashby, you just have a Kubrick in 593 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,720 particular. It's just that all that he 594 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000 changes his style, changes how he works to accommodate. 595 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,440 I mean, even the point in Doctor Strangelove where Peter Bull is 596 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,440 quite clearly corpsing, he keeps it because it's the best take. 597 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,080 Yeah, that's, that's true. Yeah. 598 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,240 I never thought of that. That's they left that in, didn't 599 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,960 they? Roger Lewis described cruelty 600 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920 quite a bit in his, in his book at his BBQ sellers. 601 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720 And these are wonderful. He he describes cruelty. 602 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120 He says his appearances and scenes with their improvised 603 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,400 speeches are so unexpected and inconsequential. 604 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,840 Goonish but without Sikkim's healthy laughter to draw their 605 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,960 sting, he says. He says quilty is a patchwork 606 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,320 quilt of personality types, accents and attitudinising. 607 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,720 I think that's the first time I've ever said attitudinising. 608 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,560 Attitudinising. What a great word. 609 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,600 And then he says quilty and by inference, sellers are of 610 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,840 diabolical origin. Their courtesy is a bogus thing. 611 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,760 Yeah, I mean, that's because I, I, I came. 612 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,159 If you don't mind, I've got a quote from Sellers himself on 613 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,880 the character of Quilty. Yes. 614 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,320 And he says Quilty was a fantastic nightmarish character, 615 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,679 Part homosexual, part drug addict, part sedist, part 616 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,920 masochist, part anything twisted unhealthy you can think of. 617 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,760 He had to be horrifying at the same time funny. 618 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,360 OK, I've not read the book again. 619 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,360 Where does where does that part homosexual come in? 620 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,480 I don't know. Well, that's what. 621 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,960 But according to sellers, that's what, that's how he that's what 622 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,000 he thought of the rule. OK, possibly in the book it's 623 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,400 it's maybe expanded upon, I don't know. 624 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,679 Yeah, OK. I want to I want to talk about 625 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600 the two other central cast members. 626 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,719 Two yeah, 2 Lions and Shelley Winters. 627 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,920 Right, It's it's Sue Lion, not lions, isn't it? 628 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,200 Or because I used to think it was like I used to think it was 629 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,800 lions, but some people call her Lions and some people call her 630 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Lion. Now here Wikipedia entry is 631 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,720 Lion. Lion That's probably that's 632 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,240 probably correct. Sue Lion. 633 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,560 Yeah. So we'll go. 634 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:12,920 We'll go with Sue. Lion. 635 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,400 So in the novel the character is 12 1/2, yes. 636 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,320 And she's for you. She was 14 at the time of 637 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,000 filming, which is what they make the character in the film 14 I. 638 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,760 Mean which is still problematic, but it's slightly slightly 639 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040 better. She wasn't. 640 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,000 She wasn't allowed to go to premiere because she was only 15 641 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,400 once they finished. No, no, now I mean I know 642 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,040 Nabokov did fancy not fancy her. Sorry, I'll finish the sentence. 643 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,440 I know Nabokov did fancy a different actress. 644 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,160 And by that I mean he he thought that there was a French actress 645 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,720 who would have been better, but he he was quite taken by lions 646 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,120 casting. At the time, yeah, yeah. 647 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,160 There was there was 800 teenage girls up for casting. 648 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,680 Hayley Mills, Tuesday Weld. I think we're amongst awesome. 649 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,800 And of course, Hayley Mills was under contract to Disney. 650 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,960 Yes and yeah. I think that was a famous story 651 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,760 that her dad, John Mills, turned it down, but then later on it 652 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,160 was Disney, kind of transpired it was Disney that vetoed the 653 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,400 project. Yeah, James Mason at one point 654 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:20,720 suggested his own daughter, which, if that's true, I just 655 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,640 can't even begin to. Yeah, that's that's. 656 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,840 A. Very interesting choice. 657 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,520 That might be, I don't know where I picked. 658 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160 That I think, I think that's taking nepotism a wee bit far, 659 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,520 but. Yeah, yeah. 660 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,840 But anyway, so Sue Lion, I think Sue Lion is not a child actress. 661 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,960 I mean, obviously she is in this film technically, but brilliant 662 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,320 in the role, absolutely brilliant. 663 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,760 And not one of those annoying child actors that you have. 664 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,160 Oh no. She's. 665 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,640 She's very adult, very adult and very in in charge of the 666 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,280 situation as it were. Like he's very much umm again, 667 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,120 we'll do you know that. The fact that he's painting her 668 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,960 toenails and so far he's very subservient to Lolita, the sea 669 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,920 lion in the film. She's both knowing and innocent. 670 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:04,880 Yeah. Isn't she? 671 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,760 Yeah, because there's so many sort of looks that she gives 672 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,200 early on in the film where she knows, she knows damn well 673 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,960 what's going on in his head. Oh, yeah. 674 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080 And there's then there's scenes where, for example, she finds 675 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,840 out her mother's dead. She's almost sort of crying out 676 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,720 with a. Girl, yeah. 677 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,680 It's it's a very brilliant, very, very well thought out 678 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,320 brilliant performance with someone so young. 679 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,640 Yeah, yeah. You know what I want more than 680 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,880 anything else in the world? Now what do you want? 681 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,400 I want you to be proud of me. But I am proud of you, Lolita. 682 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,000 Now, I mean really proud of me, you see. 683 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,880 They want me for the lead in the school play. 684 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,240 Isn't that fantastic? And I have to have a letter from 685 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:49,920 you giving your permission. Who want you? 686 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,480 Well, The Deuce of Gold, the drama teacher, Claire Quilty and 687 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,440 Vivian Darkblue. And who might they be? 688 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,240 They're the authors. They're here to supervise the 689 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:00,120 production. But you've never. 690 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,360 Acted before well, they say I have a unique and rare talent 691 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,280 and. How do they know that? 692 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,080 Well, we had readings and I was chosen over 30 other girls. 693 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,800 That's the first I've heard about it. 694 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,560 I know I wanted to surprise you. And I suppose that Roy has a 695 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,560 part in this production. Roy, what's he got to do with 696 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480 this? Roy and Rex, naturally. 697 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,160 I suppose they're in it, huh? Well, how do I know? 698 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,920 I only met them yesterday. Besides, they're football 699 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,560 players, not actors. And you suddenly, overnight, are 700 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,000 an actress. Well, it's out of the question. 701 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,360 Out of the question. I don't want you in that 702 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,840 atmosphere. What atmosphere is just a school 703 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,280 play? I've told you over and over 704 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,040 again, I don't want you mixing with those boys. 705 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360 It's just another excuse to make dates with them and to get 706 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200 together close with them. You don't. 707 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,920 Love me. I do love you. 708 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,400 You don't love? Me, I do love you, Lolita. 709 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,480 Driving me crazy. We can. 710 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,920 We can talk about Shelly Winters is our other principal, 711 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,520 principal actor as Lo's mother. The widowed Charlotte Hayes. 712 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,040 The widowed Charlotte Hayes. Again, I find this part quite 713 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,640 interesting for Shelley Winters because again, she plays a very 714 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,760 similar part in Light of the Hunter where she is seduced. 715 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,520 Well, in a way she's seduced for the wrong reasons. 716 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,120 Whereas in Night of the Hunter, it's for money and then she's 717 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,320 killed. And then in this one, she's not 718 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,920 killed per SE, but she ends up dead for Humber. 719 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,080 Humber marries her for Lolita. She's a means to an end for 720 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:26,800 Humbert. Humbert, really. 721 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,800 She's a means to have access to Lolita. 722 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,560 I mean, it's Shelly Winters doing a very blousy. 723 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,720 It's a bit unkind, but I would say. 724 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,120 And anything in trousers type, you know, And she's very, she's 725 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,360 got intellectual pretensions and she's quite, yeah, she's quite 726 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,360 impressed by someone who can pull off the old posh chat and 727 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,160 knows as Rebel A from his Harold Robinson. 728 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,800 Oh, yeah, Yeah. Well, again, that's she, she 729 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,760 does that when she introduces him to house, you know, talks 730 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,360 about where we're good Anglo, Dutch, Anglo Scotch sort of 731 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,960 stock. But her character is I like all 732 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,920 things. This is a very black comedy, 733 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,560 very dark. And that's one of the 734 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,280 differences that Kubrick brings to it. 735 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,440 He makes this a very. Very dark comedy. 736 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600 And I think that's one of her characters, kind of one of the 737 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,800 sort of best jokes in it because she sort of very much presents 738 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,280 this very prim proper, you know, it's it's a satire in Americana, 739 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,560 the world they kind of show in 1950s America. 740 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,240 And what she kind of does is, you know, presents this world, 741 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,000 but you know, her neighbors are swingers. 742 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,800 She's allowed not one, but two predators into our households. 743 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,160 It's it's interesting. And again, as I go things, I 744 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,720 find this a funny film, but it's not a funny film that you laugh 745 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,000 at because there's a joke of a punchline. 746 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,560 The punchline comes a lot later. Yeah, yeah. 747 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,920 Getting back to Roger Lewis again. 748 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,280 Our friend Roger Lewis. He describes Charlotte Hayes as 749 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,800 a suburban vulgarian in a leopard skin belt. 750 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,880 That's a yeah. That's a very Yeah, exactly. 751 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,400 Posh coat. Posh coat. 752 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,240 No, knickers is not another expression. 753 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,440 But also very needy. Extremely, extremely. 754 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,640 And again, you know, you know, there's you have that the 755 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,440 picture of the ex-husband very prominent. 756 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,120 So yeah, the shrine to him. You think, you think, you get 757 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,960 the impression right up until the the school dance, the 758 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120 fallout from the school dance, you get the impression that 759 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,600 there's, there's that the relationship between Charlotte 760 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,920 Hayes and her daughter is, is very harmonious and loving. 761 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,520 But then it becomes very clear that she that Charlotte Hayes, I 762 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,920 won't go so far as to say she hates her daughter, but she's 763 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,840 resentful of her daughter. Yeah, yeah, she's. 764 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,880 Jealous of her daughter. Yeah, yeah, well, you get that 765 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,880 when you know, he discovers that she's gonna because she goes off 766 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,240 to camp Camp climax. It's. 767 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,440 A bit on the nose. Isn't it the sign says camp 768 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,200 climax Dr. carefully, but the fact she sends her the camp and 769 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,360 then she says and again, this is during a a scene where they're 770 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,480 in where they're in beds and they do. 771 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,160 It's very much implied that comfort can only get arised 772 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,480 while he's also looking at a picture of Lolita on the bed 773 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,240 stands. But in the conversation she goes 774 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,720 and she'll go to camp and then she's going straight to boarding 775 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,440 school. But what's interesting as well 776 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,280 is again, coming back to that sort of the Bulgarian, the idea 777 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,040 of this prim and proper household. 778 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,560 You know, she's going to move. She has a fantasy of moving a 779 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,000 French meal into Lolita's bedroom as a sort of, I guess, 780 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000 sort of slightly implied menage Artois going on. 781 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,560 Yeah, I wondered about that. That seemed odd. 782 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,480 Yeah, yeah, that's a very interesting little, little 783 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,520 scene. But you are right. 784 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,600 There's there is this jealousy going on between. 785 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,760 But you also get that when she's chatting to Seller's character 786 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,320 at the dance, the Claire Quilty, when she's talking at him, he 787 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,080 doesn't respond. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 788 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,080 yeah. And then finally, he only comes 789 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,960 to life when he goes, Oh yeah, you had a you had a little 790 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,240 daughter. You had a little daughter. 791 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,040 Well yeah, because Charlotte Hayes whispers into Claire 792 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,760 Quilters ear the the implication being that she reminds him that 793 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,480 they'd had sex the year before. Yeah, yeah. 794 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,040 And he remembers. And then he and then he 795 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,760 brightens up because he he, yeah, like, say he asks about 796 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,600 her daughter. Yeah, he, he, he doesn't care 797 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,040 until he goes like you had a little daughter. 798 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,600 Yeah. And she said yeah, Wednesday. 799 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,600 She's going to have a cavity filled by your uncle Ivor. 800 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,840 You kind of expect Sellers just to break the 4th wall and just 801 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:33,040 stare straight into the camera. Oh, it's certainly been a long 802 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,280 time. Certainly has, yes. 803 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160 You know that I've been the local authority on you ever 804 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,400 since. Is that so? 805 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,320 Well, that's very sweet of you. Thank you so much. 806 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,520 I'll never forget that intellectually stimulating talk 807 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,800 that you gave to our club. Yes, magnificent club, Really 808 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,320 magnificent. Tell me one thing. 809 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,080 Are you a columnist? No, no, Don't you remember? 810 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,760 Well, that afternoon changed my whole life. 811 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680 Well, how about that? You remember it. 812 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,320 Did I do that? Did I? 813 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,440 And afterwards, you know, I showed you my garden and I drove 814 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,560 you to the airport. Yes, really great. 815 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,560 Listen, listen. Didn't you, didn't you have a 816 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,280 daughter? Didn't you have a daughter with 817 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,400 a lovely name? Yeah, a lovely. 818 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,000 What was it now? A lovely lyric? 819 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,680 A lilting name like. Lolita. 820 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,840 Lolita. That's right, Lolita, Diminutive 821 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,000 of Dolores, the tears and the roses. 822 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560 Wednesday she's going to have a cavity filled by your Uncle 823 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,040 Ivor. Yeah. 824 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,360 Yeah. That bit that that bit with the 825 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,760 high school dance is great with with Claire Quilty dancing with 826 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,600 Marianne Stone. Marianne Stone. 827 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,080 No how? OK, she's one of the few actors 828 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:07,080 that's in Kubrick and carry on. Yes, she is and she is in a 829 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,400 film. Let me this is a shameless plug. 830 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,560 Absolutely shameless plug. But this month's Goon Pod Film 831 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,320 Club is on the 1964 film. You may have heard of it, Hard 832 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,280 Day's Night. Yeah, with with the kinks. 833 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,040 Yeah, it was. I think it was often first 834 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,680 Spencer Davis group. They turned it down. 835 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,280 Oh, yeah, yeah, obviously, obviously. 836 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,600 Yeah, yeah. Then the swinging blue jeans. 837 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,680 They turned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 838 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,200 Obvious reasons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 839 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,080 And then the Kinks said I'll All right then. 840 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,960 But she is in hard days, nights. She there's the the press 841 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,720 conference. Yes, yes. 842 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:44,800 And, and she's one of the journalists and she asks, we're 843 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,000 just joshing listeners. Obviously it's The Beatles. 844 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,600 She asks. She asks Ringo. 845 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,200 She asks Ringo, are you a mod or a rocker? 846 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,560 And he goes no or I'm a mocha. Yes. 847 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,520 Well. She's in I think I Counted on 848 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,680 IMDb. She's in Eight Over Films with 849 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,280 Peter Sellers. Yeah, yeah. 850 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,800 But she's never has a she never has a big role. 851 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,440 Yeah. I mean, strangely, this is our 852 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,200 biggest. Yeah, exactly. 853 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,400 This is our biggest role. But she doesn't say a line of 854 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,760 dialogue, does she? She plays this. 855 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,400 Yeah. Vivian Dark Bloom is the name of 856 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,800 the character. Yeah, that's that's an anagram 857 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,880 of Vladimir Nabokov. Yeah, she's never introduced. 858 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,720 She never has a line of dialogue. 859 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,640 Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. 860 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,120 I think she's only referred to during that, the police, the 861 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,520 hotel scene where he's talking about judo. 862 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,680 She's a yellow belt. I'm the Greenbelt. 863 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,960 That's the natural order of things. 864 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,760 She just, she's absolutely besotted with Quilty and she she 865 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,080 sort of hangs off and like kind of like a almost like a Yoko 866 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,560 owner character. I shouldn't say that, but yeah, 867 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,760 she she just stares at him and when he's talking to other 868 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,000 women. Yeah, yeah. 869 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,600 She turns her back. She never says a word. 870 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,120 Yeah. Well, actually the interesting. 871 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,800 Thing is, we're just as we're chatting about Marion Stone, one 872 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,400 of the films she appears in with Sellers is Heavens Above. 873 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,040 Yeah, and in Heavens Above, there is a scene in one of the 874 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,080 church scenes when the pulpit there's a child reading a copy 875 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,080 of Lolita. Oh, yes, I remember that now. 876 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,920 Yeah. And the the scene with her, with 877 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,160 Claire Quilty at the high school dance, dancing with her. 878 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,560 Cool as a nice Fonzarelli. I wrote down just just just the 879 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,640 coolest thing. And also we we find out don't 880 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,840 with that more the kind of all the girls are crazy about Claire 881 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,880 Quilty for some reason. Yeah, well, you guys say, you 882 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,360 know, Lolita has a poster of him on her wall again. 883 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,240 Also it's interesting that because they do change the 884 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,360 character in the in the novel, he's just a playwright, whereas 885 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,200 he he's ATV writer. And again, that's why why where 886 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,160 you get that shadow of the comfort character as well, 887 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,320 because he's is Humperd shadow and a more successful person as 888 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,960 well, which kind of a bit of jealousy going on. 889 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,160 But yeah, they're they are completely obsessed with. 890 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,480 And again, interestingly, because Sellers is not, you 891 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,320 know, mid 60s Sellers, he like the sex symbol he kind of 892 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,080 became. He's very much the sellers we 893 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,840 see is the sellers of the early 1960s British comedies in terms 894 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,960 of in terms of his look. You know, he even has his 895 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,880 trademark glasses on, which, yeah, his band, which I thought 896 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,080 was quite interesting because he rarely were those in in films, 897 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,760 but he he has them here. So yeah, as you said, he's 898 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,920 they're they're completely and utterly infatuated with him. 899 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,240 But it's the same way how they're always, they're all 900 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,560 interested in James Mason just because he's European. 901 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,040 I find in this film, like regardless of what he does, 902 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,520 there's a scene I find fascinating is the scene again, 903 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,960 it's what happens later on the movie where him and Lolita have 904 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,640 a massive argument and then someone comes to the neighbor, 905 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,720 comes to the door and says, oh, can you keep it down? 906 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,480 We've got, you know, we've got the local, local vicar over. 907 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,720 I think they wouldn't say vicar, but I think we have the local 908 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,960 priest over and she says the line. 909 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,600 We can hear everything you're saying. 910 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,400 And yet she still invites him, Ryan, to have a drink. 911 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,680 Also says that the neighbors have been talking. 912 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,000 Yeah, yeah. Exactly the the the story is 913 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,840 with you and your daughter. Yeah, but even then still invite 914 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,720 some Ryan, which again that that that that fascination. 915 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,240 I I find that interesting. It they they seem both 916 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,960 characters seem to attract people, but when you look at to 917 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,400 both characters, you wonder why. Yeah, yeah. 918 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:36,280 When out of spite, really, Charlotte Hayes packs a daughter 919 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,360 off to Ken Climax. And you have that scene where 920 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,600 Humbert's broken. He goes into her bedroom and he 921 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,360 buries his face in a pillow and cries. 922 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,400 And then the maid comes in and gives him a letter from. 923 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,520 At first I thought it was from the leader, but now it's. 924 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,360 It's from Charlotte. Hey, he's gone out for the 925 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,240 morning. And it's a, it's a confession 926 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:01,960 that she loves him and she asks him to leave because it just 927 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,880 won't work or she can't see it working, but. 928 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:08,600 And she doesn't want to see him again unless he loves her as 929 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,640 much as she does. And he stays and it's just that 930 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,440 bit where he starts laughing with James Mason, starts 931 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,360 laughing and the character just turns on a dime then. 932 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,080 I mean, we've seen glimpses. We've seen glimpses of of his 933 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,080 inner steel, of his inner. Yeah, a lot of a lot of anger. 934 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:31,320 A lot of anger Character, Yeah. But then, you know, time passes. 935 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,600 I don't know how many months, maybe a month or so, two months, 936 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,840 maybe not. But she's still at Camp Climax, 937 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,520 so it can only be about 6 weeks. Maybe. 938 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,840 But they're married, he and Charlotte Hayes, because James 939 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,360 Mason's doing the narration. He says the wedding was a quiet 940 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,640 affair. And when called upon to enjoy my 941 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,840 promotion from lodger to lover, did I experience any bitterness 942 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,480 and distaste? No, Mr. Humbert confesses to a 943 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,200 certain titillation of his vanity, to some faint 944 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,760 tenderness, even to a pattern of remorse daintily running along 945 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,520 the steel of his conspiratorial dagger. 946 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,440 And he's just contemptuous, barely conceals his contempt. 947 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,720 Well, yeah, but there's, there's a there's a scene where he he 948 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:20,680 explodes, like he gets very angry because she obviously is 949 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,120 trying to get him the bed. And he goes, what more do you 950 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,160 want from me? You know, I, I, I've done my 951 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,760 obligation. And again, the idea that sex is 952 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,680 an obligation with, with Charlotte is very interesting. 953 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,520 That's a scene of like, again, that's why I think Neeson is so 954 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,920 brilliant in this part. It's a scene of pure anger. 955 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,960 Like how dare you ask me to perform another sexual act with 956 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,320 you? Yeah. 957 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,840 He's like all things. He's a character. 958 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,200 He's a character that is almost like you see the thread undoing 959 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,280 in those scenes. Like he's just constantly the 960 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,960 threads are coming undone throughout. 961 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,200 Oh, I meant to say as well. It's never referred to in the 962 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,320 film, but there is in the novel. We come to understand that 963 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:09,240 Humbert Humbert is suffering from a certain amount of what I 964 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,080 would guess you would call Arrested Development. 965 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,560 Yeah, because he because he talks about how he fell in love 966 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,800 with a girl of a similar age to Lolita very early on, and then 967 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,000 she dies. Is it tuberculosis or? 968 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,720 Typhus, I think. Typhus. 969 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,600 That's it was one of the T's typhus. 970 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,120 And But then there's also, again, like all things, because 971 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,520 Kubrick does make a very black comedy, but the book's quite 972 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,240 humorous in itself. Sometimes Humber's character is 973 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,560 fun, like when he's talking about because he is married 974 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,280 before, Yeah. And the wife leaves him for a 975 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,040 Russian taxi driver. But then he makes up a story 976 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,160 that they moved to California and they took part in a study 977 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,400 which involved eating on all fours. 978 00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,000 So it's a, it's quite a yeah in terms of visual imagery that I 979 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,920 find that quite, quite amusing. So it's quite a funny, funny 980 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,800 novel in itself. But but again, that kind of 981 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,360 comes back to the idea of him being a very untruthful 982 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,400 narrator. Yes, now we have the, we have 983 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,920 the same where because Charlotte, I think, I think 984 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,880 Charlotte Hayes is more or less in a permanent state of 985 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,080 drunkenness. Yes, yeah. 986 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,560 And she discovers this diary, or she she she see, she knows that 987 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160 Humbert keeps a diary in they have an argument. 988 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,360 There were no, no, but really Trevor's Diaries. 989 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,280 So she finds out that he what he calls it in the diary, he refers 990 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,840 to her as that Haze woman. Yeah, that Haze woman. 991 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,640 Yeah. Obnoxious Mama. 992 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,040 And obviously he's written about the Nymphat Lolita and his 993 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,640 feelings to her and. Yeah, it's interesting you say 994 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,120 that, Tyler, because once he does that and he's put her that 995 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,840 state of alcohol, her being constantly drunk, what's the 996 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,400 first thing he does? Goes to fix her a drink. 997 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,600 Yeah, he goes run down the curves, the cocktail shaker. 998 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,200 Up, up the level, up, up. The level and well, you found 999 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,920 that novel I was writing, I just put, I put the names down as 1000 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,320 placeholders. Placeholders, Yeah, it's, it's 1001 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,760 odd that scene, isn't it? I mean, it's very well done, 1002 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,080 that scene. It's also, it's also very 1003 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,160 farcical as well, I find, because it is a very, it's a lot 1004 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,200 of running around. Then he, he finds the gun that 1005 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,920 she mentioned earlier that Mister he is kept before where 1006 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,760 he was going to shoot himself before his illness took over, 1007 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,080 but he ended up in the hospital. And then he goes to grab the 1008 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,880 gun. And then he he sort of rehearses 1009 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,520 this because he thinks she's in the bathtub and rehearses this 1010 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,760 idea of how he's going to kill her, but then he doesn't and 1011 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,160 then discovers that she's not in the bathtub at all. 1012 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,400 Yeah, but that's what I mean. But Kubrick, so he's downstairs 1013 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,120 making fixing her a dream. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1014 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,640 And, and. And Kubrick is so economical 1015 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,760 here because the camera's sort of locked on, on Humbert in the 1016 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,240 kitchen trying to get ice out of the ice tray, shouting about the 1017 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,160 fact that it's a novel and it's. It's not meant to be taken 1018 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,520 seriously. And then you hear the phone ring 1019 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,640 and he answers the phone kind of absently, and he thinks it's a 1020 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,800 crank call because. It's this man on the phone, says 1021 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:19,360 Charlotte. You're dead. 1022 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,880 Yes, so she's run from the house in some sort of hysteria. 1023 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,960 I get drunk in hysteria and been hit, hit by a car and killed out 1024 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,920 outright. And what I mean is the economy 1025 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,360 of it is that, you know, any other director probably would 1026 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,800 have filmed that scene of her. Yeah, as in she would have been. 1027 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,080 Yeah, you're right, You're right, Tyler, like you would 1028 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,000 think the focus would be on what is Charlotte going to do. 1029 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,920 But the focus, the focus is on Humpard. 1030 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,320 Humpard again, the scene afterwards, I think is because 1031 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,960 he gets outside, he goes, sorry, Mr. ran over your wife got to go 1032 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,720 see my dad just walks up and then later on he's in the 1033 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:04,240 bathtub enjoying a drink. The two the two swingers show 1034 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,920 back up the two neighbors to check on him and again he's just 1035 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,120 like, oh, come in here. You know that she's she's all 1036 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,520 shocked he's in the bath, which kind of amuses me from what 1037 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,240 they've told us prior. Once again, for me, it brings 1038 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,400 back the joke of, you know, this Anglo Dutch, Anglo Scotch sort 1039 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,240 of prim and proper back. But I what I love is the the 1040 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,840 father then shows up. He goes like, I'm very sorry, 1041 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,320 but you know, we, we, we established it wasn't my son's 1042 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,040 fault. It was it was the other 1043 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,560 pedestrian, but like, and then he goes out. 1044 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,160 The least I can do is pay for the funeral and not missing a 1045 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,240 beat, James, Jason goes. Yes, that'd be very nice. 1046 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,920 And the best bit is you can see the look in the guy's face of, 1047 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,080 oh you, you weren't meant to accept the offer. 1048 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,200 Oh, nerds. I think that's that's a little 1049 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,240 nice little lovely minute, but a little bit of black comedy. 1050 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:56,520 I really enjoy that little moment. 1051 00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,320 Yeah. And I wondered if there was a 1052 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:05,040 remnant of the novel because there's a, there's a line in 1053 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,880 that scene where it, it doesn't seem to make sense to me. 1054 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,240 Or why was it necessary? Because the swingers come in and 1055 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,680 they say, oh, she had a kidney problem. 1056 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,440 She didn't, she didn't have long to live anyway. 1057 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,440 But that's never referred to again. 1058 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,480 So what was the purpose of that? Because it seems. 1059 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:25,080 Kind of, yeah. I, I, I don't know, maybe it's 1060 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,920 the adding to the joke that, you know, if he had murder, let's 1061 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,120 say he had taken that gun, gone in, shot her three times. 1062 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,240 He'd been found out. And then like later again, it is 1063 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,720 kind of. Yeah, exactly. 1064 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,720 It's if he shot her three times, then when he gets taken to 1065 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,840 court, like, oh, she was, she was going to die anyway. 1066 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,320 What did you, what did you do again? 1067 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:53,800 It is it's interesting that she keeps that that secret from him. 1068 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,240 I don't know. I think that's just to add to 1069 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,640 the sort of very dark humor that they're going for. 1070 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,600 You know, this idea that well, she's going to die almost like 1071 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,280 it's a film that's not it's a horrible film to Shelley Winters 1072 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,520 character in many ways, and I think that's almost like sort of 1073 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,560 the icing on the cake. Well, she was going to die 1074 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,880 anyway. I. 1075 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,000 Believe I believe that Shelley Winters didn't particularly 1076 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,320 enjoy working with Sellers to do with him but in the film, but 1077 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,280 she found him rather baffling. Yeah, I think she said something 1078 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,880 she found. She found Mason a cold fish, and 1079 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,760 she said Sellers acted on a different planet, so she 1080 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,520 couldn't. But again, yeah. 1081 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,560 I mean, she only really has that one scene of them in the dance. 1082 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,080 But then apparently Kubrick was going to fire her after four 1083 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,840 days on set. Shelley Winters, apparently. 1084 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,760 I've read that somewhere a while ago that she wasn't, it's 1085 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,840 Kubrick wasn't a massive fan, but it's just in many ways I 1086 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,920 can't really because of her star persona. 1087 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,520 As I said, it's a very similar role to the one she plays in 1088 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,000 Night of the Hunter, where you know, she's she's seduced by 1089 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,360 Robert Mitchum because Robert Mitchum wants to find the goal 1090 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:08,360 that the the the father of the two kids have has hidden away. 1091 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:13,280 And again, it's quite similar that you have another bedroom 1092 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,040 scene in that movie where it's their wedding nights and that 1093 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,640 she attempts to have sex with Robert Mitchum's car down. 1094 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,160 He explodes like how dare you ask me to I? 1095 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,280 Remember that. Yeah, so it's it's interesting. 1096 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,880 I find I, I feel like that's probably why she was cast in 1097 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,080 this rule, because it's very similar to the rule she plays in 1098 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,160 Knight of the Hunter. Again, they're not when she's 1099 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,440 murdered, whereas this one she's nearly murdered, but but like 1100 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,720 all things, she she dies by an accident. 1101 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,640 But she could have been murdered or she could have died of 1102 00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,800 natural causes. She had three or three in terms 1103 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,720 of how people, she had three options. 1104 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,960 You're going to be dispatched. One way or another, yeah, this 1105 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,240 character is going no matter what. 1106 00:59:50,760 --> 01:00:00,520 Yeah, when Humbert collects Lolita from Camp Climax, he he 1107 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,080 lets on that Charlotte is ill and she's in hospital. 1108 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,000 Yes. I don't, again, I don't quite, 1109 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,280 no, I don't quite understand why he wouldn't just tell because 1110 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,480 he's going to have to tell her at some point. 1111 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,480 So why, why don't I just pull this the plaster off there and 1112 01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:15,920 then and tell her? But I don't think that 1113 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,160 relationship is really at that point, you know, the kind of 1114 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,800 consummation is at the hotel for want of a better word. 1115 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:25,960 So I. Literally. 1116 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,440 So I think, yeah, so I think that's maybe it. 1117 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,120 He hasn't, you know, got fully what he wants just yet. 1118 01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,000 So holding off that bit of information because as we see, 1119 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,800 because as we see litter, it does send her off the edge of we 1120 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,080 bet she recovered. She recovers quite quickly. 1121 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,360 But I think, you know, almost not not wanting to rock the 1122 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,920 boat. I think that's the reason why he 1123 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,960 doesn't bring it up. True, true. 1124 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,560 So they, they turn up to this hotel for the night and the, the 1125 01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,320 Humbert story to Lolita is that they'll carry on the journey to 1126 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,960 the hospital the following morning, but they have to put up 1127 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,320 in a hotel and they, they're over this hotel and there's a 1128 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,080 police convention going. So it's virtually booked out. 1129 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,760 It's. An it's an interesting shot, 1130 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,200 though, because it's because normally, like you say, if you 1131 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,200 were doing like a comedy scene, you you'd show up at the hotel, 1132 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,440 you have the conversation and then they go, what's the, 1133 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,920 because he goes, what's the convention? 1134 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,520 It goes. It's we have the overflow for 1135 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,720 the annual police convention. And then I mean, for me, like a 1136 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,360 normal setup in a comedy show would be that then you would see 1137 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,360 the banner saying police convention, whereas throughout 1138 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,560 the scene, police convention is right in the background for 1139 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,760 right. So I thought that was quite 1140 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,520 interesting in terms of like how Kubrick has set that up. 1141 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,680 He hasn't done it like a traditional comic punchline 1142 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,240 because we're that's true. And then you would then the 1143 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,520 camera with Pan and there's all these police were everywhere. 1144 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,400 Yeah. I just thought, I just thought 1145 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,080 that was very interesting how he how he shot that scene. 1146 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,560 He didn't go for the obvious comic setup. 1147 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,880 And of course this is where we have the return of. 1148 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,520 Yeah, yeah. Tell me something I couldn't 1149 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,360 help noticing when you checked in tonight. 1150 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,240 It's part of my job. I noticed human individuals and 1151 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,920 I noticed your face. I said to myself When I saw you, 1152 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,640 I said that's the guy was the most normal looking face I ever 1153 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,440 saw in my life. Not a bit, not a bit. 1154 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,520 It's great to see a normal face because I'm a normal guy. 1155 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,040 It'd be great for two normal guys like us to get together and 1156 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,560 talk about world events, you know, in a normal sort of way. 1157 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,160 Well, there's nothing I would like better than that, but I I 1158 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,400 don't have much time. Oh, it's a pity because may I 1159 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,360 say one other thing to you? It was really on my mind. 1160 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,440 I've been thinking about it quite a lot. 1161 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,600 I noticed when you was checking in you had a lovely, Pretty 1162 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,120 Little girl with you. She was really lovely. 1163 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,960 I as a matter of fact, she wasn't so little kind of think 1164 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,480 of it. She was a fairly tall little, 1165 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,240 well, I mean taller than little, you know what I mean, But she 1166 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,800 was really lovely. I wish I had a lovely, pretty, 1167 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,560 tall, lovely little girl like that. 1168 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,200 I mean. That's with my daughter. 1169 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,200 Your daughter. Gee, isn't it great to have a 1170 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,680 lovely tall, Pretty Little small daughter like that? 1171 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,560 It's really wonderful. This is where in many ways he 1172 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,880 takes on his new persona because he pretends he's a photographer 1173 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,160 for the the event. But it's quite interesting that 1174 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:10,720 we'll talk about this a bit later. 1175 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,880 All these times he meets Claire Quilty but never clocks it's 1176 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,880 Claire Quilty. Well, yeah, he see you have a 1177 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,440 combat scene. Claire Quilty at this at the 1178 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:21,000 school dance. Yeah. 1179 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,760 I've seen him at the school, dice the posters, been on the 1180 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,760 wall the whole time. We've even seen him go into the 1181 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,840 room whenever, as the scene we mentioned earlier, when she goes 1182 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,320 off the camp. But again, in the novel, it's 1183 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,320 interesting because this novel does the same thing where again, 1184 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,720 obviously we'll talk about when because he's got the play later 1185 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,680 on, but that gets mentioned as well in the book where they 1186 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,680 mentioned he actually for some reason, even though he's aware 1187 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,480 of Claire Quilty, he then starts to think Claire Quilty as a 1188 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,360 woman, he forgets that he's a male playwright. 1189 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,320 And you kind of get this in the film as well where he meets him 1190 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,800 on several occasions, but completely forgets who Claire 1191 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,240 Quilty is. So I don't know if that's kind 1192 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,680 of saying how some sort of self absorbed or how how much his 1193 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,240 obsession is with Lolita that he completely and utterly forgets 1194 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,640 about this other person who is constantly on his back. 1195 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,600 I know some some reviewers were saying that Humbert Humbert 1196 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,440 should have recognized that Doctor Zenf was Claire Quilty in 1197 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:26,680 disguise. But I disagree because it's not 1198 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,520 clearly. Obviously we know it's Sellers 1199 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:29,720 because we don't Sellers, but it's. 1200 01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,640 But this is Claire Quilty is someone that Humbert has 1201 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,200 glimpsed a few times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1202 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,680 But but I'm, you know, I'm not convinced that he would he would 1203 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,440 know that that's Claire Quilty doing a comedy. 1204 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,240 German psychologist. Yeah, yeah, but but it's more 1205 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,800 the scene on the porch because all Claire Quilty does is have a 1206 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,160 camera and takes his glasses off. 1207 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,560 Yeah, but he tells us back to Yeah. 1208 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,560 Yeah, yeah. And I, I just think it's 1209 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,000 fascinating because I think it is in many ways he is quite 1210 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,760 obviously somebody's met before. But I think because he's so, as 1211 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,880 I said, I think it's the way Kubrick kind of shows Humphardt 1212 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,720 being so sort of focused on what he's doing. 1213 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,880 He's not really. He doesn't really clock the 1214 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,520 danger. Presumably his mind, all he's 1215 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,200 thinking about is getting back upstairs. 1216 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,600 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. 1 great 1217 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,320 interpretation I sort of, sort of look upon this is that when 1218 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,400 you do have the character of Humphardt Humphardt and Claire 1219 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,680 Quilty, they're kind of like, you know, the sort of unofficial 1220 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,960 rules of comedy. You know, you even have a 1221 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,040 character who's in on the joke or of character who is not in on 1222 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,240 the joke. And I kind of feel that with 1223 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,080 Humpert, Humpert and Claire Quilty, Humpert Humpert is the 1224 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,120 one you laugh at, whereas Claire Quilty you laugh with. 1225 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,080 And I, I feel like that's what Cooper kind of brings with these 1226 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,400 two characters. You know, it's he's Claire 1227 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,600 Quilty is in on the joke, which is why, as Roger Luce says, he 1228 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,040 can kind of come in and create this comic mayhem. 1229 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,280 And Mason is not aware of the joke, which is why I think their 1230 01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:01,600 dynamic works so well. The the very lengthy improvised 1231 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:06,720 exchange on the veranda on the porch where Salus is coming 1232 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,920 across, at times a bit like Woody Allen. 1233 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I read the the chapter in the 1234 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,960 book and it's a much shorter passage of dialogue. 1235 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,440 Yeah, well, as I said as well, he's also just like he's a 1236 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,120 character in The Shadow smoking the cigarettes. 1237 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,640 Yeah, to the to the point you could question whether he's 1238 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,760 there or not. He he maybe he's mistaken him 1239 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,520 for someone else. It's one interpretation of the 1240 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,280 novel you can have. Well, yeah, because Humbert's 1241 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,040 out there. And then you have Quilty saying 1242 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,040 from the shadows, where the devil did you get her? 1243 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,480 This isn't the novel. Yeah, yeah. 1244 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,400 Where the devil did you get her? I beg your pardon? 1245 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,640 I said. The weather is getting better. 1246 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,320 Yeah. Seems so who's the lassie? 1247 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,920 My daughter, you lie. She's not. 1248 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,080 I beg your pardon? I said July was hot. 1249 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,360 Where's her mother? Dead. 1250 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,600 I see. Sorry. 1251 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,480 By the way, why don't you do lunch with me tomorrow? 1252 01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,440 That dreadful crowd will be gone by then. 1253 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,000 We'll be gone too. Good night. 1254 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,080 So that's that's that's it. Whereas with Sellers in the 1255 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:18,800 film, it's he's babbling on about normal looking faces and 1256 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,200 lovely, big, lovely big little girls, Yeah. 1257 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,160 I see, I see you and your daughter. 1258 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,040 You know, I actually said this. It's very, it's very Woody. 1259 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,000 And I love New York this time of year. 1260 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,120 Yeah, and by the way, one one of the lessons I learned from this 1261 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,280 sequence of the film, All the best people shave twice a day. 1262 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,360 Unless it's me. I've been here about four times. 1263 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,360 All the best people shave twice a day. 1264 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,960 Now I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to skip over the the 1265 01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,400 bit in the bedroom, but yeah, yeah. 1266 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,240 But let's just say that we, we, we when they're back on the road 1267 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,560 the following morning, Humbert Humbert seems much more laid 1268 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,960 back and relaxed. OK. 1269 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,760 Even even his outfits changed. He's in that open, open top 1270 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,520 black shirt. Yeah, they eventually cut to 1271 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,240 sort of six months later, and he's taken up his position at 1272 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:16,399 Beardsley College. Here's the. 1273 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,800 College. Forget about Charlotte, forget 1274 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,800 about little. Yeah, it's almost like a film of 1275 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,279 two. How you forget everything. 1276 01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,160 I've just told you already. This is a new. 1277 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,200 It's a This is a new chapter. And this is I guess, like we 1278 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:34,720 said before about having the the denouement of the the novel have 1279 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,600 it at the beginning of the film because it kind of this is what 1280 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,000 a bit where it sags. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1281 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,000 Did you pick up on the fact that? 1282 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:47,840 So he's obviously what he's obviously very jealous and very 1283 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,600 controlling of later or wanting to be controlling of later 1284 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,399 because she's at a new school, she's met new people, new 1285 01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:57,240 friends and he, Rex. Rex and Roy. 1286 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,800 Latin and French for King, right? 1287 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:01,800 Yeah. Interesting. 1288 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,399 Yeah, Yeah. And but The thing is that they 1289 01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:06,640 were he because Humbert was driving around looking for her 1290 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,600 and she was in the Frigid Queen. Yeah, the frigid queen. 1291 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,279 With Rex and Roy. Let's all grab a malt at the 1292 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,240 frigid Queen. Where are you? 1293 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:16,439 Where are you guys going tonight? 1294 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:17,640 We're going down to the frigid queen. 1295 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,720 Did you pick up earlier on in the film when he's playing chess 1296 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,080 with Charlotte? And he, he's obviously just 1297 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,920 playing because he feels he has to, to be playing. 1298 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:34,479 And, and he, he says the line. I'm going to take your queen 1299 01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,080 right at the moment that Lolita walks into the room. 1300 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,840 Oh yes, yeah. As I said, like it's it's a film 1301 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,800 with the pay, the play, the payback is the punchline comes a 1302 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,560 lot later. Yeah, so here's the thing. 1303 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,840 So people listening to this, I'm sure have seen the film or read 1304 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,080 the novel, OK? But we find out at the end that 1305 01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:03,280 Lolita has been collaborating, if you like, or in cahoots with 1306 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,280 Claire Quilty. From about what point? 1307 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:09,320 But I'm assuming it comes, it comes at Beardsley College with 1308 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,520 play. If it comes to the play, yeah, 1309 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:12,960 the what's what's the play called? 1310 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,840 The The Haunted Enchanters. That's right. 1311 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,760 And I think the hotel they've stayed at was called the. 1312 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,000 Enchanted hunters, I guess. Once. 1313 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:21,680 Once. Yeah. 1314 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,520 Once again. The punch line comes later. 1315 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,960 That's the punch line comes so much later. 1316 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,760 The the point is that the the two of them are in cahoots 1317 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,320 unbeknownst to us, the audience, and obviously at Humbert. 1318 01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,360 And so from this point on, Lalith is basically looking for 1319 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:42,720 an opportunity to go off with with Claire Coty, and she is 1320 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,280 instrumental in letting him into the house as Doctor Zemp so that 1321 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,720 when Humbert gets home, he can have that scene with Doctor 1322 01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,720 Zemp. Where he sat, where he sat in 1323 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,360 the dark. Yeah. 1324 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,680 Like I like that's not the where you where you sat here. 1325 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,880 But he's smoking Jerome cigarettes, of course, which are 1326 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,280 the cigarettes that Quilty has been. 1327 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,200 Yes, yes, yes. And that's a great, that's a 1328 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,800 great scene, but. The best thing in that scene is 1329 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,480 the where he goes. We, we're both, we, we, we 1330 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,840 Americans. He's got a German accent. 1331 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,480 He's European. Again, as I said, it's a film. 1332 01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,480 It's weirdly obsessed with nationality. 1333 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:29,800 Again, just throwing back to the earlier scene where we get the 1334 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,120 demise of Claire Quilty, which is the first scene. 1335 01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:36,080 You know, he goes like you're either an Australian or a 1336 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,920 German. This is a gentiles house, could 1337 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,680 be on your way. It's interesting how these 1338 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,280 things keep coming. As I said earlier about the 1339 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,280 Anglo Dutch, Anglo Scotch, And also, you know, how Humpard. 1340 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,040 Humpard is not defined. He's just European. 1341 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,720 He's not defined as being English, French, German. 1342 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,360 Yeah. But I just, I just find that 1343 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,680 very interesting little moment where he goes, we Americans. 1344 01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,520 Yeah, you can imagine him being a member of the extended 1345 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,800 Strangelove family. Yeah, well, I, I, I, I really do 1346 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,240 think he is very much like a almost a prototype for Doctor 1347 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,160 Strangelove. Even there's even though even 1348 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:13,040 the way he kind of fidgets, he has a little fidget at one point 1349 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,760 where his body just just slightly gyrates. 1350 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,080 And it just remind I because I, when I watched, rewatched it, I 1351 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:19,960 thought like, that's interesting. 1352 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,320 He just reminded me of Doctor Strangelove when we've been just 1353 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,200 how he how he sort of contorted his body at one point during the 1354 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,120 conversation. Absolutely where he just where 1355 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,280 he just gets a little uncomfortable. 1356 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,520 And Strangelove does that in his wheelchair, but he gets a little 1357 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,320 uncomfortable. There's a very similar movement 1358 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,040 he does. The Americans we are 1359 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,400 progressively modern. We believe that this is equally 1360 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:45,960 important to prepare the pupils for the mutually satisfactory 1361 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,160 mating on the successful child rearing. 1362 01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,960 That is what we believe and. What do you suggest? 1363 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,840 I am suggesting the doctor Cuddler, who is the district 1364 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,480 psychologist to the Board of Education should visit you in 1365 01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:02,760 the home, meet a three member board of psychologists and once 1366 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,400 they're in the home, they can investigate thoroughly in the 1367 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,200 home situation with the old four of them. 1368 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,440 The few other things I just want to mention before we get to the 1369 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,640 the climax, if you like, which which we've already seen, but 1370 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:24,040 colluding with Lolita, Claire Quilty at a distance follows 1371 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,400 Humbert Humbert and Lolita as they they I don't know where the 1372 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:30,640 where they're actually on their way to. 1373 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,720 They're just driving around to try and get away. 1374 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,680 Well, he he makes up that he's off the Hollywood to be the 1375 01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,760 consultant on a film about extensionalism, but we're never, 1376 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,280 we're never actually told where they actually are about to go or 1377 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,280 wherever he actually has any idea where to go at this. 1378 01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,280 Point Lolita ends up in hospital because she's got, she calls her 1379 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,040 Asiatic flu, but she's got some sort of some something that that 1380 01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,400 means that she's going to be in hospital for a couple of nights. 1381 01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,200 Humbert is sort of fretful and he's staying at a local motel 1382 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,120 and he visits her and is suspicious of everyone, 1383 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,200 including the nurse who's Who's Lois Maxwell. 1384 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,440 Yeah. And he sees there's a there's a 1385 01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:14,400 pair of dark glasses by Lily's bed. 1386 01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:19,480 And he says, why would a nurse wear sunglasses in a hospital? 1387 01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:22,560 And we assume later that they're quilties that he's left there. 1388 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,920 And then when when he finds out a little bit later that she's 1389 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,800 been discharged by her uncle, we find out that it's her Uncle 1390 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,880 Gus. Uncle Gus, Yes, yes. 1391 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,840 And of course, in the book, although never referred to in 1392 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,280 the film explicitly, Humbert Humbert has a has an uncle, 1393 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:45,240 Gustav Christav Trapp, who he believes Claire Quilty 1394 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,000 resembles. A. 1395 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,880 Little nod, I suppose, for for those who've read the book, you 1396 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,880 know. Well, let's just say that she 1397 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,560 has an uncle. Does she have an uncle? 1398 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,360 Well, let's say she. Yes, she has an uncle. 1399 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,080 So it's an interesting stage. While he's lying on the floor. 1400 01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:06,680 I forgot. How did you forget? 1401 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:13,440 I just forgot. And, and at the as we have. 1402 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,520 What is that three years later, three years past? 1403 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We assured that through 1404 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,640 throughout this period, he's been looking for her. 1405 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,680 Yeah. And he gets a letter finally. 1406 01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,320 I don't know how he gets the letter, but he gets the receipt 1407 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,800 of a letter from her. She's she's married. 1408 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,880 She's going to have a baby by this point. 1409 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,640 She must be what, 17? And. 1410 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,120 And he goes and, and I don't know what if he's going to shoot 1411 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:42,720 her, shoot himself, but he takes a gun and begs her to go with 1412 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,560 her. And she's married. 1413 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,560 She's in this really rundown shack basically, and she's got a 1414 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,760 very nice but uninspiring husband. 1415 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,800 Yeah, yeah. For hearing aids, yeah. 1416 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,200 Yeah, because she tells him. Yeah. 1417 01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,520 Yeah, she tells him. Obviously, she, she reveals that 1418 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,960 it was Claire Courtier all the time under all those guises. 1419 01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:04,240 She She'd had a crush on him ever since he visited her mother 1420 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,000 and he added he he was a genius with a beautiful Japanese 1421 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,160 oriental philosophy of life and. Then he gets rid of her because 1422 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,320 she won't appear in a in a blue movie with a couple of his 1423 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,000 friends. So again, it is those things 1424 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:23,480 where, you know, in terms of as as as I sort of said earlier 1425 01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:28,600 about the idea of two predators, they kind of whereas Humper 1426 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,800 Humper sort of kind of made to be like the romantic, whereas 1427 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,200 Claire Quilty is more sort of the mechanical. 1428 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,880 You know, the the moment you say no, we'll off you go that we're 1429 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,560 done here. Obviously a man who's not used 1430 01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:40,600 to people saying no to him. A. 1431 01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,680 Bit like Donald Trump. Donald Quilty. 1432 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,960 After he discharged her from hospital, Claire Quilty took her 1433 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,240 to a dude ranch in Santa Fe. She but she said it was full of 1434 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,920 weirdos, painters, nudists, writers, weight lifters. 1435 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,000 And he tried to convince her. He tried to get her to take part 1436 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,680 in an art movie. She refused. 1437 01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,800 He kicked her out and she ends up where she is and and Humbert 1438 01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,960 ends up in tears, absolutely shuddering. 1439 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,640 Oh, yeah, He's a destroyed, destroyed man at that point, 1440 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,360 yeah. He gives her $13,000 more or 1441 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:20,560 less. Yeah, she's off to Alaska. 1442 01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,480 And again, as we were saying about the husband, the husband 1443 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,560 is actually 5th build in the movie, but only has those two 1444 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,560 minutes of screen time. Gary Cockrell, it is quite sad 1445 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,400 because then he makes a comment that, you know, we sleep 1446 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,840 downstairs so she won't can watch the television. 1447 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:41,000 She's a bit like she's she's just almost wasted in many ways. 1448 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,640 I mean, she's she's quite young. So we don't we don't really 1449 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,080 know. Well, the novel does give us a 1450 01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,080 finale, but the film doesn't. It's, it's it, right? 1451 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,040 To me, it's like she's got over her obsession with being with 1452 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,920 sophisticated men in the world. Yeah, in the space of 1453 01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,120 three-year. Yeah, in the space. 1454 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,840 Of three years, yeah. And now she just wants 1455 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:01,880 simplicity. And she's got. 1456 01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,920 Yeah, yeah. Again, you're not sure if that's 1457 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,480 you should be happy or sad for that. 1458 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,240 I don't know. Like she's found contentment, 1459 01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,760 but then like sort of her ambition is kind of gone at such 1460 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,880 a young age. Well, it was just a robbing of 1461 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,960 innocence in many ways. Yeah. 1462 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,680 And then yes, if the film ends with where we came in. 1463 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,920 Where we came in Quilt in Clare quilt in. 1464 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:31,400 And, and there's that kind of clumsy, you know, it's kind of 1465 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,480 like Humbert. Humbert died on the way back to 1466 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:36,960 his home planet at the end. Well, it didn't say that, but 1467 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,480 it's, it's, it's Humbert Hubbard died of coronary thrombosis. 1468 01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:42,880 It was 4. Years later. 1469 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,200 Awaiting trial for the murder of Claire Coulter. 1470 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,160 Yeah, that's it. It's a very, it's very odd. 1471 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:52,560 Yeah, it's very odd decisions, but they do it over the image of 1472 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:57,400 the the the portrait that he shot Claire Quilty through, 1473 01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:01,040 which I find interestingly choose that picture because she 1474 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,080 reminds me of the Gainsborough lady. 1475 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,200 And obviously that's how Mason starts his career in 1476 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,160 Gainsborough. Yeah, melodrama. 1477 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,080 So I always thought that was a really, again, obviously that 1478 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,560 scene we have Sellers going, you know, he goes no, Oh no, I'm 1479 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,120 Spartacus. So if you come to freed the 1480 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,240 slaves, interesting in that little scene, you just have 1481 01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,280 these little meta moments of reference to Kubrick and a 1482 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,280 reference to Mason's early career. 1483 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,040 I mean, obviously the Spartacus reference is intentional, but 1484 01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,960 I'm not too sure about the portrait. 1485 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,880 But it's quite interesting. Now, the bit where you say about 1486 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,360 Claire Quartey sort of pushed themselves behind. 1487 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,680 He's been shot several times and he pushes himself behind a pet. 1488 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,800 He's going on about electric chairs being painted. 1489 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,280 Which is which is from the Nabokov, not those lines. 1490 01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,840 And what's which is interesting about Sellers improvisation he 1491 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,800 does he does still keep some of the dialogue in and that is what 1492 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,920 that is what Claire Clippy says before he is Kelly. 1493 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,760 I said I even got executions. I got some nice friends, you 1494 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,480 know, who could come and keep it coming in here. 1495 01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,840 You could use them as pieces of furniture. 1496 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,280 This one guy looks just like a bookcase I could fix for you to. 1497 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,600 The 10 executions, how would you like that? 1498 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,320 Just you then, nobody else just watching. 1499 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,840 Watch. You like watching cats? 1500 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:23,040 No, because not many people know that that the chair is painted 1501 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:25,800 yellow. You'd be the only guy in the 1502 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:27,840 know. Imagine your friends. 1503 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,160 You could tell them. But he's behind the painting, so 1504 01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,280 we don't actually see, I guess because of sensitivity. 1505 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:34,520 Sensitivity. At the. 1506 01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,000 Time so we don't see him being shot in the head because in the 1507 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:45,000 novel, I understand from speed reading the end of it, he kind 1508 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,040 of hit shot in the head. But. 1509 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,440 He kind of manages somehow to cling on to life. 1510 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,080 So in the book, and I'll just quickly summarise this. 1511 01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,960 So once he's shot, Humbert Humbert waits for quite some 1512 01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:04,320 time to check that he is dead. And and then he hears like this 1513 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,520 hubbub of voices in another room. 1514 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,000 And and these people have arrived for a party and they're 1515 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,560 fixing themselves drinks and all sorts. 1516 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,800 And Humbert Humbert walks in and out, announces he's killed their 1517 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,800 quilty. And one guest says good for you. 1518 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,760 And and a fat man says somebody ought to have done it a long 1519 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,800 time ago. And and it's only then in like 1520 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,640 this last effortful heave that Claire Quilty somehow manages to 1521 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,720 drag himself onto the landing flaps around a bit and then and 1522 01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,400 then finally dies. And it's that point the Humbert 1523 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,400 leaves and he's trailed by police cars. 1524 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,240 And then I don't quite get this. It's because it's it's quite, 1525 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,800 there's an Abacoff using quite Florida imagery and language, 1526 01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:54,040 but but somehow Humbert goes for a wander through the countryside 1527 01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:56,680 and the book ends with him right in the closing paragraphs from a 1528 01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,200 prison cell and requesting that the memoir memoir not be 1529 01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,280 published until both he and Lolita are dead. 1530 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,600 So obviously the book is published in 55 and we come to 1531 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,480 understand that Lolita died giving birth in 1952. 1532 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,240 So there we are. So But yeah, the ending of the 1533 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,040 film is very much, you know, I, I, I, I was a little bit 1534 01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,120 disappointed by the way. It was just ended quite abruptly 1535 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,000 like that. Yeah, exactly those two as well. 1536 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,920 Like I find cards like that aren't really necessary unless 1537 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,040 you're doing a biopic. Yeah. 1538 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,760 It's again, you know, so and so went on to do this. 1539 01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,240 They want to do that. I find it very odd when films, 1540 01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:40,440 when fiction films decide to give us like some sort of we we 1541 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:44,120 we can sort of like you could have done that with, you know, 1542 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,720 you could have had obviously in Kubrick's version, the party's 1543 01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,200 already been and gone and you could have just literally just 1544 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:51,960 had, you know, the shooting. And then even like even it's the 1545 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:56,760 sign of a siren or something like that to imply or or voices 1546 01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,040 over the portrait is just as you said, that little Poochie 1547 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,480 ending. He went back to his home partner 1548 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,880 and died. But interestingly, to throw a 1549 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,840 little so that the the hoist that they the exterior for that 1550 01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:11,240 hoist. I can't remember what the house 1551 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,520 is called, but it's the same house that's used in Little 1552 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,320 Britain for the Scottish hotel sketch in the first season. 1553 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,120 It is the lemon cake, lemon cake, lemon cake. 1554 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,920 Have you any nuts? Lemon cake house, No nuts. 1555 01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,400 So that's that's the same house. Oh, that's amazing. 1556 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,840 Those look. Great, don't they? 1557 01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,880 Kimberly I. Want the chocolate cake? 1558 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,400 OK. Honey Kimberly has a nut 1559 01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:36,600 allergy. Do you know if there are any 1560 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,920 nuts in it? Yes, What do you mean? 1561 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,600 Yes, there are nuts. Or yes, you know. 1562 01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,000 There's just one other thing I wanted to mention before we wrap 1563 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,960 up. So at the beginning where 1564 01:23:53,400 --> 01:24:01,040 Humbert is confronting Claire Quilty at one point quite early 1565 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,040 on, Quilty, I don't know whether he genuinely doesn't recognise 1566 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,400 Humbert. Humbert, I suspect he doesn't, 1567 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,680 He genuinely doesn't recognise him. 1568 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,000 But he says, are you Jack Brewster? 1569 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,000 Yeah. Now and then Jack Brewster is 1570 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,680 never referred to again in the film. 1571 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,360 It's an odd thing for we we never come up come to find who 1572 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,800 who Jack Brewster is. But apparently, if you remember 1573 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:27,720 the scene where the play the school play has taken place and 1574 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,760 you have Humbert angrily dragging Lolita home because 1575 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,720 he's found out she's not been going to piano lessons, and you 1576 01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,920 see Claire Quilty with, what's her name, Vivian. 1577 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,240 Vivian Yeah, and then the other chap, the bald fellow in 1578 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:42,920 glasses. Yeah, yeah. 1579 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,640 That's, that's the producer, James B Harris, Kubrick's part. 1580 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,960 Ah, yes, OK. And the character, although he's 1581 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,320 never named, is Jack Brewster. Right. 1582 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:59,600 OK, so I'm guessing there must be maybe some deleted footage 1583 01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,800 where that's kind of where that's established that, umm, 1584 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,920 that's Jack. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that 1585 01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,840 was James B Harrison Nazi. Interesting. 1586 01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:10,600 So there. So have you got anything else 1587 01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,440 you wanted to throw into the conversation? 1588 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,400 Again, just in terms of what's quite interesting is, umm, 1589 01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,320 there's actually a book being released this year. 1590 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,280 Let me just find the title of it for you. 1591 01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,200 It's called The Magic Eye, the cinema Stanley Kubrick. 1592 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:32,600 And basically it was meant to be released in 1970, but Kubrick 1593 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,760 vetoed its release. So it's now being released this 1594 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,680 year, 25 years after Kubrick's death. 1595 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:42,560 And the reason that KUB busy Kubrick had the right to veto if 1596 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,400 he there was something he didn't like about the book. 1597 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,200 And he claimed that the book, and this was like the first book 1598 01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,040 written with a critical overview of Kubrick's work. 1599 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,760 And he vetoed the book. It's written by a guy called 1600 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,080 Neil Hornick. And he vetoed the book because 1601 01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,600 he said it was far too critical of his work. 1602 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,480 But according to Neil Hornick, the only criticism was at his 1603 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,480 adaptation of Lolita and that he felt that he was being far too 1604 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:11,120 soft on the adaptation, changing the age from 12 to 14. 1605 01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,600 So according to Neil Hornick, but his book that didn't get 1606 01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:19,360 published for I mean 25 years after Kubrick's death, 1970, 55 1607 01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,160 years. This book has been banned for 55 1608 01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,160 years because he had a slight criticism of Lolita. 1609 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,160 For the wrong reasons as well. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. 1610 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,040 So I just thought that was, I just, I remember that just came 1611 01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,560 up recently and I thought that was quite interesting because 1612 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,440 according to Hornick, that's the only criticism in the book he 1613 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,080 gives. But Kubrick went no, no, no, 1614 01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,360 you're not. You're not releasing this. 1615 01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,040 See something else that Kubrick and Sellers had in common? 1616 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:48,160 Quite thin skinned. But again, it was also 1617 01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:51,680 interesting is Kubrick himself said a few years later, once 1618 01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,520 sort of the Hayes code disappeared, because again, this 1619 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,840 is very much a film that, you know, certain things can't be 1620 01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,160 shown. And so for that wire in the 1621 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,440 novel, what's interesting is that Kubrick does say quite a 1622 01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:05,680 few years later that if it weren't for the Hayes code, I 1623 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,280 probably would not have needed this film. 1624 01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,560 It's the restrictions, a bit like Hitchcock. 1625 01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,520 It's the restrictions. It's the things they're not 1626 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,240 allowed to do that they then have to be a lot more clever 1627 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,000 about. Yeah, yeah, it it imposes great 1628 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,640 creativity on the on the filmmaker. 1629 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,520 Yeah, exactly. And, and again, you can see that 1630 01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,440 Adrian Lynn's adaptation, you know it, you know, he Kubrick, 1631 01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:29,760 you know what does no sort of Humper. 1632 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,000 Humper is more a victim, but I think that's more to do with 1633 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,200 how, you know, Fatal Attraction and stuff like that. 1634 01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:36,920 That tends to be how its protagonists are. 1635 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,400 Even if they do horrible things, they're still the victim. 1636 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,600 You know, Michael Douglas's character is the one that has 1637 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:45,720 the affair but is a victim. So yeah. 1638 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,880 So, yeah, again, I think that's the art of Kubrick. 1639 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:52,120 Kubrick you can rewatch because you could watch any of his 1640 01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,800 movies from a different angle. Like, that's that's why. 1641 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,840 And that's why Kubrick still, you know, still a rhyme to this 1642 01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,000 day. I think he's you. 1643 01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,560 You can always it like, like Dickens. 1644 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,160 There's just so many ways you can interpret his work. 1645 01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:09,200 Yeah, I, I, I, I think my favorite of his is Berry Linden. 1646 01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,520 Beautiful, Beautiful to look at, Yeah. 1647 01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,880 But equally just, it's such a epic tale and it's just so much 1648 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,480 going on and. Your lead character is not a 1649 01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:21,800 particularly strong leading character. 1650 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,800 Like, he's not. He's not a traditional romantic 1651 01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,080 leading things happen to him as opposed to him creating things, 1652 01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,080 the things. He's not in control of his own 1653 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,200 narratives. In a way, Humper doesn't really 1654 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,600 control his narrative here either. 1655 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,480 That's true. He's manipulated. 1656 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:39,160 Actually now I think I'm just thinking that actually I think 1657 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,240 my favorite cubic film was probably Paths of Glory. 1658 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,560 Perry. London with with this and 1659 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,120 Strangelove. Full Metal Jacket for me, 1660 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,320 because I remember watching full, I remember watching Full 1661 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,520 Metal Jacket when I was playing rugby and I remember we were on 1662 01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,440 a bus with ATV and this was like this big deal for us. 1663 01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:57,040 Like there's ATV on this bus. Why? 1664 01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,840 And they're like, what plays DVDs? 1665 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,400 What DVDs you got Full Metal Jacket? 1666 01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,680 So the bus driver frozen on and like the first half, you know, 1667 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,880 first the early Emery, but you know, like you could suck at a 1668 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,960 golf ball through ball, garden holes and all this. 1669 01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,960 We thought this the funniest. So I was always my first memory 1670 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,240 of Kubrick. So I always go full metal jacket 1671 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,360 watching going to a rugby match. Thirteen years old on the bus 1672 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,280 watching full metal jackets. Jesus. 1673 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,480 OK, Well, Patrick, listen. It's been a sprawling 1674 01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:28,440 conversation. Certainly as so. 1675 01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:29,800 Thank you so much. Thanks for having me back, 1676 01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,240 Taylor. And I thank you, thank you so 1677 01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,560 much for coming. You're clearly someone who loves 1678 01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:38,040 you cinema and I'd love to get you back again to talk about 1679 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,080 another film in the future. Well, I was going to I was going 1680 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:45,680 to propose like an idea being I've recently watched Lovesick 1681 01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:49,880 and Unfaithfully Yours, the two films that Sellers was meant to 1682 01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,960 do prior to his death. I thought like maybe it's a 1683 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,320 concept for an episode being like the things that either 1684 01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:00,920 they'd filmed scenes for that were cut out or projects that 1685 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,520 they were sort of muted for, like Sellers see commands 1686 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,240 Milligan. There's a as a concept for an 1687 01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:07,840 episode. That's intriguing. 1688 01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,840 The films that Sellers turned away or the films that Sellers 1689 01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,720 died? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1690 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:17,120 The ones, the ones the yeah. Ever died or films some scenes 1691 01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,200 that never made? The same way Milligan filmed the 1692 01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:23,040 scene for The Devils, the Ken Russell film which was cut out 1693 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,560 because he walked in being all Goonish with all. 1694 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,880 But I see this and the same way. He's meant to be an asylum, but 1695 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,240 he apparently didn't show up for the first day of filming. 1696 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,400 It's Jeffrey Belden. Yeah, Jeffrey Belden character. 1697 01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,520 So yeah, I was going to propose that as an idea. 1698 01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,880 Yeah. The things that they were meant, 1699 01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,040 they were muted for again, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, 1700 01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,480 both Milligan and Sellers. So again, not not so much 1701 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,760 focused on a particular film, but the projects that they were 1702 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,680 sort of muted to be in or maybe filmed some footage and then 1703 01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,520 never came to be. That'll take some research, but 1704 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:56,360 it. Would certainly would. 1705 01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:57,960 That sounds a lot of fun. OK. 1706 01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,240 We'll, we'll, we'll earmark that for next year sometime. 1707 01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:02,080 Brilliant. Thanks again mate. 1708 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:23,240 No worries Tyler, all the best the.