1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,000 Going to read this so I get it right because it's important to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,160 me. The recipient of this year's 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Lifetime Achievement Award is Spike Milligan. 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,080 Jonathan. Jonathan is, is nudging me and 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,040 tweaking me. So we, we must, we must push on. 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,360 I I have little to say except to to speak of Spike, a man whose 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,560 contribution to British culture is incalculable. 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,720 Since the Second World War in which he served, Spike Milligan 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,320 has been central to the development of British comedy. 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,120 One might almost say our actual sense of humour. 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,080 Everyone in this room knows that in comedy, very little is truly 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,920 original. Spike's work is part of that 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,720 very little. His novels, his extraordinary 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,000 memoirs, his work in radio and in television was like nothing 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,200 that went before. But much of what came after owes 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,640 him an enormous debt. I first saw Spike play live at 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,280 Guildford Civic Hall when I was 12 years old, about the time I 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,160 read Pecoon and Adolf Hitler, My Partner's Downfall and all the 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,360 wonderful work, and I've been a fan ever since. 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,360 And it is for me a very great honour to have been asked to 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,880 present Spike with his award tonight. 22 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:55,240 The I was going to say about bloody time. 23 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,320 Can it really be 30 years ago? Could we ever have been so 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,080 young? If you're listening to this on 25 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,039 the day of release then yes, it really was 30 years ago. 4th of 26 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:14,760 December 1994, The 5th Annual British Comedy Awards, hosted by 27 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,600 the man who can never get his tongue around as ours, Jonathan 28 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,640 Ross. Mention the British Comedy 29 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:22,400 Awards to people of a certain age and if they remember them at 30 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,280 all, then it'll typically be for one of two things. 31 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,160 Junior and Clary tearing Norman Lamont, a new one 32 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,920 metaphorically, and a year later, Spike Milligan calling 33 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,760 the man who would be King Prince Charles, not Sean Connery, a 34 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,400 little grovelling bastard. So I thought it might be fun to 35 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,440 revisit the 94 Comedy Awards. Obviously we'll lean quite 36 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,920 heavily into that moment, which was, with hindsight, the result 37 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:50,200 of nerves spikes, natural impishness and quite a large 38 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,680 quantity of Chateau Television Centre 92. 39 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,000 But I want to look at the show as a whole and see who won what, 40 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,080 who must out and examine the coming of The Young Turks on the 41 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,120 British comedy scene. You Coogan, you Morris, you're 42 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,920 Iannucci and so on. And while the show's categories 43 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,920 are bound with crowd pleasing fares such as Absolutely 44 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:14,920 Fabulous, Red Dwarf and Knowles House Party, who now remembers 45 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:18,720 the likes of Blue Heaven, The 10 Percenters and To Look Back at 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,120 the Future. Joining me to do a deep dive, 47 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,440 friend of the show, John Ortey Mulligan Nut, massive comedy fan 48 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,600 in general and host of Behind the Stunts podcast. 49 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,000 And Gary Roger Co, host of The Sitcom Club podcast and someone 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 for whom the epithet Comedy Scholar should be applied. 51 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Now John and I watched the full show. 52 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Gary did not. I asked him to come and get cold 53 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,720 with no preparation, as I wanted to run through the awards with 54 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,880 him and see who he fancied his winners that year, and generally 55 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,440 put some of the more obscure or forgotten nominees back into 56 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,720 context. John and I talked about the show 57 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,200 in general and Spike in particular, and what follows is, 58 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,280 I hope, an interesting and entertaining chat where you can 59 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,000 expect to hear at least passing references to the likes of 60 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Rebecca Front, Angus Dayton, Andy Hamilton, Richard Wilson, 61 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Jack D, Maureen Lipman, Roy HUD, Josie Lawrence, Joe Brand, Rory 62 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,839 Bremner, Tracy Ullman, Timothy Spall, Gregor Fisher, Jennifer 63 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,519 Saunders, Chris Evans, Paul Whitehouse, and many, many, many 64 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,400 more. Oh, and meatloaf, we mustn't 65 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,880 forget meatloaf. I think Jonathan Ross is 66 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,080 probably still receiving therapy for that encounter. 67 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,760 Well, meatloaf and Mr. Blobby, maybe. 68 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Anyway, here it is. Hope you enjoy it. 69 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,360 I always watch the Comedy Awards every year when I fail up until 70 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,600 about I think even like the late 2000s, I think it would have 71 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,800 been before all like the the, you know, the issues started 72 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,160 where, you know, one year Jonathan Ross wasn't there when 73 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,720 you live in telemise it so on, so on, all that kind of stuff. 74 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,560 But even well into the 2000s, yeah, I kind on watching it. 75 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,080 But the 90s, it felt like it had a vibe to it. 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,600 It was like, OK, this isn't an ordinary kind of award show. 77 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,880 This is something a bit different. 78 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:14,640 The very first year, 1990, it sort of was a traditional award 79 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,640 show, was hosted by Michael Parkinson and it was a much more 80 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:23,440 sort of, I suppose you would say, respectable affair and like 81 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,080 a trust. A light light end. 82 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Yeah, a sort of traditional theatre sort of setting. 83 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,440 They weren't around the dinner tables anything like that. 84 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,280 There was no so booze going on during the show itself. 85 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,360 Yeah. Annoyingly, the one I didn't see 86 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,000 I've never seen it is 1991, Jonathan Ross's first one 87 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,320 because I believe he had a bit of A to and fro with Jeremy 88 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,440 Beadle that night. Oh, right, I. 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,200 Think Jeremy Beadle was promoting something he was 90 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,360 involved in with, was it Jetty caught circus or something like 91 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,240 that and he was in like full sort of what do you call it, 92 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,640 what's looking, what was it Colombo gets dressed up as? 93 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,160 Oh, is the circus the ring marks? 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,320 Yes, yeah, exactly. Yeah, Beatle was in that sort of 95 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,480 attire and yeah, he had a bit of a back and forth with Ross, but 96 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,960 I've never seen that one. BBC put Planes, Trains and 97 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,320 Automobiles on opposite and I opted for that that night so. 98 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,560 Yeah, enough. I was living in Bangor in North 99 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,760 Wales when this, the 1994 Comedy Awards went out and I was living 100 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,000 in AI, was in a flat, a student flat. 101 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,800 And I know that I spent that Christmas on my own, first and 102 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,400 only Christmas I've ever spent totally on my own because they'd 103 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,680 all gone home for Christmas and all my friends were students. 104 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,440 There was no one left. So I spent that Christmas. 105 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,960 We had one TV in the house and it was in the kitchen, the 106 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,120 communal kitchen. So anyway, I, I do remember 107 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,560 watching it, but I don't remember anything apart from 108 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Spike's Bet basically. But I in my head, I was on my 109 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,520 own watching it in this freezing cold kitchen because the central 110 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,840 heating wasn't working properly and, and the kitchen, one of the 111 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,360 windows was like a hole in it. So the big, you know, December 112 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,720 draft. Even before you said the central 113 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,120 heating wasn't working, I just for whatever reason, I imagined 114 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,000 that you were watching any cold room. 115 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,400 I did. If you suddenly said yeah, there 116 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,400 was a roaring log fire at a lovely comfy armchair and oh, it 117 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,280 was bliss. No, it it wasn't going in that 118 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,960 direction. It was definitely cradling, 119 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,080 cradling a large Brandy in my hand. 120 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,320 No, I was set because we had we had my memory is we had a like 121 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,840 one of those Formica top tables in the kitchen and like a wooden 122 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,440 bench that you'd sit on. So my memory is I was set on 123 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,480 this uncomfortable wooden bench in the freezing cold watching 124 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:58,360 this tiny television for 2 1/2 hours because I think it it went 125 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,840 from about it, it overran this show. 126 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,200 What did you have for Christmas dinner? 127 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,120 I think I've said to you in the past, Gary, my idea and I'm 128 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,000 saying that I'm whispering this because I do have family in the 129 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,960 house. It my idea of bliss one year 130 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,520 would just be have just to have Christmas on my own. 131 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Just one, you know, just one Christmas on my own, you know, 132 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,480 But I my, my memory of that time was that it was not quite as 133 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,920 idyllic and I didn't have much money at all. 134 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,520 I don't think I had Christmas dinner per SE. 135 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:35,280 I probably just had like a Bernard Matthews Turkey roll 136 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,559 thing or something. Yes, Yeah. 137 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,039 Yeah, I was going to say, did they ever actually do? 138 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,720 They must have done Christmas themed Pot Noodles at some 139 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,040 point, probably. When was it that Peter Baynham 140 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,040 was advertising them? Was that rendered by that 141 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,560 period? Yeah, it would have been. 142 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Yeah. Yeah, that's right. 143 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,360 That would have been around that time. 144 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,480 But I was all, all about the Pot Noodle in the mid 90s for sure. 145 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Because it was it wasn't nutritious, but it was 146 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,560 affordable. And it it was quick. 147 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,160 It was quick. Yeah. 148 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,880 I remember feeling very sorry for myself. 149 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,800 But. But there you go. 150 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,840 Put a dampener on the conversation. 151 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:12,680 Never. There. 152 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,120 Well, no, but The thing is that, I mean, the British Comedy 153 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,080 Awards I always associated with Christmas because it was always, 154 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,120 it was always close to Christmas, but it sort of felt 155 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,920 like that was the official sort of start of the festivities. 156 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,200 I'm not sure how close they ever quite got to Christmas. 157 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,000 I don't think it was ever, I don't think it was ever like 158 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,280 under a week or so. I think it may be the maximum 159 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,320 was maybe like 7 days removed or something like that. 160 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,280 But yeah, it felt like, oh, we are now. 161 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,680 Yeah, this is the start of the the holiday season. 162 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,480 Here comes the Comedy Awards. Brilliant. 163 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,760 And it's going to overrun and it's going to be raucous and 164 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,960 it's going to be foul language. And there's always that 165 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,840 excruciating point where they bring on the representative of 166 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,000 the sponsors each year. And they did that running gag 167 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,120 about how they would give them like a rapturous response each 168 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,160 year. Everybody would be up and 169 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,800 cheering and what have you. Because basically they're saying 170 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,160 this guy is paying the the the the tab at the end of the night. 171 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,160 But it's crack on it is wade through the the the deep waters 172 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,800 of the. Waist high in comedy. 173 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Waist High in Comedy. The 5th Annual British Comedy 174 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,240 Awards presented by Jonathan Ross. 175 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,840 He mentions during this that he'd done stand up, which I 176 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,240 which I didn't know at some point, only briefly, but that's 177 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,440 right. Yes. 178 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,720 And later on, the he went into chat shows. 179 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,920 But originally, and I think I'm right in saying that there was 180 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,440 like there was Michael Aspel, there was Michael Parkinson, who 181 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,800 were doing similar types of awards before this arrived, 182 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,880 because this only arrived in 1990, didn't it? 183 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Yeah. But, and obviously leading up to 184 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,280 before Jonathan Ross, there was a certain degree of expectation 185 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,480 of professionalism and, and decorum, I suppose. 186 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Yes, the the one thing the show is lacking is is huge quantities 187 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,520 of decorum. They're not queuing up outside 188 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,920 the bags of it, are they? It's just you take it as you see 189 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,000 it. But it it was probably at the 190 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,480 time it was a breath of fresh air getting this slightly 191 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,920 anarchic style of presenting. Yes. 192 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,200 To our screens. And he's and, and looking 193 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,320 through the credits, he, he's written a great deal of this as 194 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,680 well, you know. That threw me because because 195 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:36,160 I'm a big fan of Danny Baker. Yeah, don't get me wrong, not 196 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,720 everything, but I, I do recognize and and admire Danny 197 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Baker's writing. And he used to write for 198 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,440 everybody for these comments on these kind of shows. 199 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,960 And I could. And I'm watching this whole 2/2 200 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,560 and 1/2 hour, whatever it is extravaganza, and I'm listening 201 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:57,120 to Jonathan Ross's lines and his carefully rehearsed ad libs, and 202 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,680 I'm thinking, God, that's Danny Baker. 203 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,680 So Danny Baker and you see the end credits and no, it's written 204 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,560 by Jonathan Ross and Jez Stephenson. 205 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:10,320 Jez Stephenson, Yeah, Yeah. Do we know much about him? 206 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,680 Not I looked up on IMDBI, think he he's like writer for hire on 207 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,520 all sorts of things. Like, what's that thing, A big 208 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,480 bad quiz of the year or something, right? 209 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,920 Must be a big friend of Danny Baker's then, because it did 210 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,720 sound a lot like him, didn't it? It did. 211 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,120 No, no, you're lost. This is completely wrong. 212 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 We finished in here. There's nothing more of quest. 213 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Look, do you want me to show you the way that you're wanting? 214 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,680 The Comedy Awards come through with me. 215 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,440 They want to pull this apart now. 216 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,240 There are people with families to go home to. 217 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,760 They can't hang about here all night. 218 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,200 It's all finished. We've done the quests you move 219 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,080 back now we're in Studio 2. It's not very often actually 220 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,080 that 2 live programmes on ITV come out of side by side 221 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,440 studios. So we'll we'll walk out of here. 222 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,120 That's studio three. We're just going past that. 223 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Don't think there's a Michael Hill production coming out of 224 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,560 that programme. Nope. 225 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,200 Over here. This is where you want you want 226 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,640 Studio 1, the British Comedy Awards. 227 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,080 You've lost your way. Loads of famous faces in here. 228 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,120 You actually get Envision Continuity, the recording that 229 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,720 you and I have seen. But then, man of the moment, 230 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,400 Philip Schofield. Yes, on the set of of a program 231 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,720 I'd completely forgot about called Schofield's Quest. 232 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,960 Yes, less said about Schofield's quest. 233 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:37,160 I think the better long term his quest then and now very poles 234 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,240 apart, I imagine. Oh yeah, and with with his 235 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,400 original, with his original hair colour as well. 236 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,640 And absolutely. And and doing that sort of 237 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,640 direct to camera. Oh, you've what are you looking 238 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,640 for? Oh, you've come in the wrong 239 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,240 door. No, you want this one over here. 240 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:53,280 Oh, good. You know. 241 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,800 Yes, yeah. I think the conceit is that 242 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,400 Schofield's quest was the the programme on before, right. 243 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,040 And then he takes us from the set of Schofield's Quest along 244 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,600 right along the corridor to Studio One at London Television 245 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,120 Centre. And, and the first person we 246 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,200 see, the first celebrity we see is Michael Barrymore. 247 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,440 And I'm, and I'm watching this, I'm thinking Phillip Schofield 248 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,920 and Michael Barrymore. Who, who next? 249 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,560 Is it going to be Rolf Harris? In the same room. 250 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,080 Who'd have thought? Yeah, it's, and of course the, 251 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,560 the, the, the lovely voice over of Steve Jones, who was always 252 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,160 responsible for, for those type of, you know, when the camera's 253 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,680 panning across the audience, he said, oh, this Michael Barrymore 254 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,480 and Smith and Jones are here and there's Lily Savage over there 255 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,280 and all that sort of stuff just leading up to the intro before 256 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,000 Jonathan Ross comes on stage. Yes. 257 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,200 And then he said. And there's Gregor Fisher, you 258 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,280 know, AKA Rabcine Asbet and just out of shot, his interpreter to 259 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,600 his left. Yes. 260 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:02,840 Who was that written by? Steve? 261 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,640 Did you ad Lib that one in a very popular? 262 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,280 There's also, if blinking, you'll miss him, there's a quick 263 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,720 glimpse of Chris Langham. All these people that at the 264 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,880 time were allowed to roam freely around the television centre. 265 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,560 Jonathan Ross, within what, I don't know, 20 seconds of his 266 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,600 opening monologue, there's a pubic hair joke. 267 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,040 So. Straight in with the good stuff. 268 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,560 Yeah, he says. He says about the audience. 269 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,160 He says last time this lot we're here, it was for an audience 270 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,520 with Jimmy Tarbuck, but this time they're here to enjoy 271 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,400 themselves. That was quite nice. 272 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,120 And they're, they're making a statement as far as the look of 273 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,040 the whole thing is concerned. The opening titles? 274 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,440 Union Jacks, Bulldogs. You know they're. 275 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,760 And dogs in waist coats, no less. 276 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Yes. So that if you didn't realise it 277 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,400 was the British Comedy Awards, you'd definitely realise it 278 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,120 after the title and then bursting into song. 279 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,680 Not the dogs. Jonathan Ross bursting into 280 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,840 song. And singing Luck Be a Lady 281 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,760 tonight out of all of the tunes that. 282 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,480 With these dancers dressed as as dice, as cards, and 1 is a slot 283 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,560 machine. Yeah. 284 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Yeah, it's it. 94 It was of its time, wasn't it? 285 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,520 It's like something out of a Simpsons fever dream that luck 286 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:37,160 be a lady tonight. Luck be a lady tonight. 287 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,760 Luck If you've ever been a lady to begin with. 288 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,480 Luck be a lady tonight. A lot. 289 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,040 Let a gentleman see. Oh yeah, how nice a day you can 290 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,560 be. I know the way you've treated 291 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,480 other guys you've been with. So luck. 292 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:08,480 Be a lady with me. And I noticed there there's a 293 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,480 mention of Clive Anderson talks back early on and, and there's a 294 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,000 shot of Clive Anderson and, and he actually gets a whoop from 295 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,079 the audience. So but but. 296 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,520 Wasn't a lot of whooping in those early categories, was 297 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,960 there? No, but spoilers. 298 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,920 Poor old Clive walked away empty handed at the end of the 299 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,160 evening. I mean, it looks as though also 300 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,600 that this awards was tagged onto the back end of a very leisurely 301 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:33,640 lunch. Possibly. 302 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:37,760 There's plenty of plenty of bottles on the table and they 303 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,800 said they've had a bite to eat beforehand. 304 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,680 So he didn't get so empty. I mean, he probably went home 305 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,480 quite full I imagine after all of that. 306 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,840 But. Well, you know, Joe, I spoke to 307 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,040 him earlier this year. He had this to say. 308 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,800 So you all sat at the table. You had to be there early in 309 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,760 order to get there, you know, in assembled for the cameras and so 310 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,680 forth. And at your table you might have 311 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,440 a bowl of crisps and some nuts and an almost unlimited amount 312 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,040 of drink. And you put a lot of comedians 313 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,680 egos clashing in the room there. There was always a lot of 314 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,840 shouting out and Chai iking. I think Jonathan Ross I think 315 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,960 pretty well always presented them. 316 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,320 And we were, you know, comfortable in those 317 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,280 circumstances. But it it, it was always a noisy 318 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,000 affair and I think deliberately getting people to behave 319 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,840 slightly too badly I would say. But I'm probably a bit being a 320 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,760 bit prissy about it. I think if there was slightly 321 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,200 less people shouting out abuse at each other it would probably 322 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,200 be more respected. Award ceremony. 323 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,000 And this, of course, this is the first award since the infamous 324 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,720 Julian Clary Norman Lamont Comedy Awards of the year 325 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,600 before. Which which did get another 326 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,680 mention this evening on this particular occasion if you 327 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,640 remember. A couple of times. 328 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,320 At one point, Jonathan, halfway through some monologue, shouts 329 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:58,520 out Where's Julian? It wasn't in the room, I don't 330 00:18:58,520 --> 00:18:59,920 think, was it? No, it wasn't. 331 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Perhaps not invited back on this. 332 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,120 Well, I'm sure, absolutely, I'm sure Norman Lamont absolutely 333 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:14,240 wasn't in the room. The first award of the evening 334 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,560 was the award for the best ITV sitcom. 335 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:22,640 I guess makes sense because it's an ITV show presented by 336 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Geraldine Somerville from Cracker, who I vaguely remember, 337 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,160 and Neil Pearson from behind between the lines at the time 338 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,840 and and Drop the Dead Donkey, Jonathan said to Geraldine 339 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,160 Somerville. Guess you didn't come by mini 340 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,880 cab tonight and I had to look that up. 341 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,640 Does does that mean anything to you? 342 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,320 Because I've got a real big laugh from the audience and 343 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,000 groans from the audience it. It actually doesn't. 344 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,120 I'm I'm presuming it's going to be related to some sort of news 345 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:53,680 story or or something that. Well, I thought that, but it was 346 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,520 specifically directed towards her, right? 347 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,760 And I looked up and sure enough, the month before, so N94, she'd 348 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,200 been front and centre in an episode of Cracker called Men 349 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,040 Should Weep. In which her character got raped 350 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,880 by a cab driver, right. And I guess it must have caused 351 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,080 quite a bit of controversy at the time. 352 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,600 Or at least, you know, it's in the papers. 353 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,200 The nominees. Gary Yes, the surgical spirit 354 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,120 time after time. Yes. 355 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,400 And the 10 percenters? Okey, dokies, now let me think. 356 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,320 OK, so I should, yeah, I should point out because we would, 357 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,760 obviously we discussed this before recording today and I had 358 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,920 deliberately not looked up any of this information to do with 359 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,800 1994. I was, I was hugely into comedy 360 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,920 in in the mid 90s and there was just so much of it because there 361 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,680 were, there were still new sitcoms on almost every night. 362 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,240 You have the the, the Friday Night Comedy Zone on BBC 2. 363 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,880 They have, yeah, the equivalent on Channel 4 on Friday. 364 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:07,200 There's just so much of it and and now it's like, yeah, can we 365 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,440 know if maybe spaced out a bit better? 366 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,480 Very years, maybe had like two or three nights and then just 367 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,880 kept it going. But I'm fairly sure I know the 368 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,960 answer to what won the following year, because the following 369 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,840 year, one of my favorite ITV sitcoms written by Simon Nye. 370 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,000 Is it legal with Oh yeah, Imelda Staunton and Patrick Barlow in 371 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,640 the solicitor's office started and I think that one the 372 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:37,720 following year. But 94 of those free shows I'm 373 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,440 I'm actually, I may regret this, but I'm going to go for the 10 374 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,920 Percenters, which I think was Grant and Naylor of Red Dwarf 375 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,240 fame. And I don't remember seeing a 376 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,680 great deal of the first series. I did see the second series, 377 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,720 which was to use the popular phase of the time and it was 378 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,600 quite popular, especially in the mid 90s move to a less 379 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,960 competitive slot. But the first series I think 380 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,080 managed to to to sit and it's in it's position for the whole run. 381 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,040 But I'm, I'm going to go up with the 10 percentage, yeah. 382 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,800 Was that who was in that? Was that? 383 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,120 Oh, that was what do you call them? 384 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,240 Clive Francis. Clive Francis. 385 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,320 That's right. Yes, that's right. 386 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,520 Yeah. And and we've talked about time 387 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,720 after time previously. Bryan Conley. 388 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,840 Yeah, Bryan. Conley and Samantha Beckinsale 389 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,000 crim ROM com I suppose you'd call it. 390 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,000 And surgical spirit was the What was her name? 391 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000 That was the Nicola. What was her name? 392 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,360 Nicola McAuliffe. McAuliffe, that was it. 393 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,320 Yes, that was it. Yeah, and. 394 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,320 Duncan Preston. Duncan Preston. 395 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:46,760 That's it. Yeah. 396 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,160 OK, Well, the winner was time after time. 397 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,720 Oh, right, there you go. Which ran for two series I 398 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,760 believe. Yeah, 1994 were not the year of 399 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,400 Outside Edge as well. I would have thought that was 400 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,120 that would have been in there. We, we might come to that, to 401 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,840 that. Okie Dokies was was Brian Conley 402 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,720 from Brian Conley show? Was he in attendance to pick up 403 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,280 his? Watch Yes. 404 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,360 And he went up on stage. Samantha Beckinsale was also 405 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:18,760 there, but she didn't go up on stage. 406 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,480 I don't quite know why, right? And Bryan Connolly said getting 407 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,240 the award should bump his money up a bit. 408 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,520 Well, I mean like he's being honest. 409 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,480 I have no recollection of the 10 percenters. 410 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,960 I have no recollection of Time After Time at all. 411 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Oh, I do. I Do you remember that? 412 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,560 I don't remember seeing that at all. 413 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,240 I remember watching Time After Time at the time. 414 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,120 Right. Don't think I particularly 415 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,120 enjoyed it, although I've I've always had a soft spot for Bryan 416 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,120 Connolly. I don't know why, even though 417 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,280 you know he's that traditional cheeky chappy performer that 418 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,600 your grandma likes. Yes, that's true. 419 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,440 I, I, I didn't mind Brian Conley, so I didn't mind time 420 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,920 after time at the time, but it more or less vanished from my 421 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,160 memory. Yeah, it's not, it's not sort of 422 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,160 left. It's indelible. 423 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,880 I mean surgical spirit, I remember. 424 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:05,720 Vivid. Oh yes. 425 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,080 And some fabulous comic turns in there. 426 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,360 And some great. Very well written. 427 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,000 I'll tell you which politician was in the room and and at at 428 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,840 the time of recording. Sadly, he's literally just just 429 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,880 passed through this veil of tears. 430 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560 John Prescott. Yeah, he was presenting, wasn't 431 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,280 he? He was, he was presenting the 432 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,760 award for top Channel 4 presenter. 433 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000 OK. And we're not talking, 434 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,600 obviously, Jon Snow or anyone like that. 435 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,680 I guess it's comedy presenter nominations. 436 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,000 Clive Anderson for Clive Anderson talks back. 437 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,120 Yeah. Chris Evans for Don't Forget 438 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,720 Your Toothbrush and this is stretching it. 439 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,360 Gabby Roslin for the Big Breakfast. 440 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,560 OK, well, I'm going to say straight away, I, I presume it's 441 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,000 Chris Evans. It was, yeah. 442 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,440 Because I mean, that's he was, he was at the not, not 443 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,960 necessarily the height of his palm because I think he did he 444 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,240 take over the Radio One breakfast show, I think maybe in 445 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,920 95. Yes. 446 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,400 But yeah, so yeah. But yeah, toothbrush. 447 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,200 But I and I actually never watched ever thought episode of 448 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,840 that, but I knew it was a huge hit obviously so. 449 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,720 I remember watching it. I enjoy. 450 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,800 I didn't I I grew to to dislike Chris Evans to a degree, I guess 451 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,080 because he became so ubiquitous maybe or full of sort of 452 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 believed his own height. But I remember enjoying 453 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,440 toothbrush. I'd like to think the last last 454 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,640 year when I got this award and gave it away rather foolishly to 455 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,000 Gabby, who's now got it proudly on her mantelpiece, that it was 456 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,120 for the Big Breakfast. But this year I think it's for 457 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,920 Don't Get Your Toothbrush or I'd hope it's for Don't Get Your 458 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,640 Toothbrush. And I'm very proud of this show. 459 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,960 And a year ago today in the Space Studio, we did the first 460 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,360 pilot for Don't Get Your Toothbrush, and we didn't think 461 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:52,960 it was going to be any more Don't Forget Your toothbrushes 462 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,240 after that first pilot. But there were. 463 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,600 And when that pilot happened, I've got to tell you that there 464 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560 were two people who've who had countless sleepless nights, 465 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,240 Seamus, Cassidy and Michael grade well, I believe they're 466 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,120 sleeping rather well now. So thanks to my team, who I'm 467 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,160 very proud of. They're all over there. 468 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,520 I won't mention them because they all know who they are and 469 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,320 that's the important thing. Thanks to Michael and Seamus, 470 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:16,920 and thanks for watching. John Prescott attempts to make a 471 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,880 gag. Obviously he's been rehearsing 472 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,840 it over and over and over again and he still manages to fumble 473 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,120 at whatever the gag is. I didn't. 474 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,440 I didn't make a a note. No, I didn't make a note of it 475 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,640 either. But Jonathan says it, it sounded 476 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,600 like a joke. It had the, it had the sound of 477 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,080 a joke. So that's all right then. 478 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,240 So. Segwayed into into, read the, 479 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,960 read the names on the card, that sort of thing. 480 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,920 Politicians trying to make gags. These, these, it, it never 481 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040 really comes off, does it? It's always, it's like sometimes 482 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,880 when politicians are guests on Have I Got News for You? 483 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,960 Yeah, very occasionally make it the odd backbencher is quite 484 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,920 witty and happy. But a lot of time it's just yes, 485 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,160 it it doesn't sit easily. Or it's or it's someone like 486 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Dennis Skinner and you just want to say just shut up. 487 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,160 Yes, stop talking. Yeah, I detected and he wasn't 488 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,960 there, I don't think in the audience. 489 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:19,240 I detected a little bit of Rory Bremnophobia on Jonathan Ross's 490 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,640 part. There's a few little cracks at 491 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,840 Rory's expense. Yeah, I didn't see him in there. 492 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Was was he nominated later on? I. 493 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Think he was. He was. 494 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,400 He had a few nominations. Yeah, he got a couple of 495 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,080 nominations later on, didn't he? Again, is this the monologue or 496 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,040 is is this the actual written word that he's come up with? 497 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,280 Or is he having that moment off the cuff where he's just trying 498 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,960 to divert for a moment while the auto queue just catches up with 499 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,440 where he was in the, you know, there's a moment and maybe he 500 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,840 has thrown out a jibe here and there. 501 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,800 But it did, I suppose it did sound a bit as though it's a 502 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,200 good job Rory's not here. But now Rory's going to win a 503 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,840 win a category. I noticed later on in the 504 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,360 evening when they're showing clips of nominees for certain 505 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,680 category and they showed a clip from Rory Bremner's then current 506 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,880 series. It was. 507 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,640 It was the. The weather thing, wasn't it 508 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,480 the. Yeah, Well, hang on. 509 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,480 This is the thing, right? So getting back to politicians, 510 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,120 he's you've got Roy Bremner. And at first I thought is that 511 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,960 is he, is that him doing John Smith, former Labor leader who 512 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,160 by the way had only recently. Died. 513 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,320 That's right. No, I I'm pretty convinced it 514 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,400 was Ian McCaskill, but. Yeah I know, but at first I was 515 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,840 well for the 1st 20 seconds I was convinced because it's baldy 516 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,040 head glasses, Scottish accent and I just thought that's. 517 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,400 But yes, I I my suspicions should have been aroused by the 518 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,960 fact he was standing in front of a large weather map, I suppose. 519 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:02,520 Let's use visual props here. Some of the presenters were were 520 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,320 people like who was ubiquitous at the time that do you remember 521 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,960 you cannot walk past the tabloid newspaper in 1994 or 1995 522 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320 without seeing Anthea Turner. Anthea Turner, you know. 523 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,400 And for she turned up with Keith Floyd to present an award. 524 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,280 Yeah, yeah. Keith. 525 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,800 Keith Floyd, who's clearly didn't want to be there and but. 526 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,080 He very rarely wanted to be anywhere unless he had a fairly 527 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,560 decent. Bar unless it was an off 528 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,280 license. An off license near. 529 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,160 Him They're presented the award for top theatre variety 530 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,080 performer. Oh. 531 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,920 Blamey nominations or nominees are Michael Barrymore, Ken Dodd 532 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,760 and Billy Pearce. Oh, OK. 533 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:57,560 Now if my erstwhile partner on the second club tilt was with 534 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,880 us, he would point out that Billy Pierce is Mr. Pantomime in 535 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320 Bradford and I presume still is to this day. 536 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,440 Yes. But I'm going to say in this 537 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,160 case, because Ken, no, Ken Dodd, he that was the year I think 538 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,600 that he had an audience with and he was having something of a 539 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,400 renaissance in his popularity at that time off the back of that. 540 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,280 But I'm probably going to say, I'm probably going to say 541 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,480 Baddimore, Billy. Pearce. 542 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,000 Oh ah, get on him. Ken Dodd will give you 6 weeks 543 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,640 back then you know he'd turn up. He would do three hours quite 544 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,680 happily and that we told we've got to close, you know, people 545 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,960 are going home and he's still going. 546 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,160 Billy Pearce seemed like a, it wasn't even like a newcomer 547 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,720 category. He was straight in as, as top 548 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,320 theatre entertainer. So very interested about the 549 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,680 categories and the way in which the nominees are numbered. 550 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,040 It's a. It's a. 551 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,280 Peculiar group, isn't it? Billy Pearce reminded me that 552 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400 because he's got that mullet. He reminded me a bit of do you 553 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,880 remember that? Do you know that guy? 554 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,640 He's always on TV now on social media and he's he's always 555 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,640 complaining about the guy. Pimlico Plumber's bloke. 556 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,240 You know that guy. Yes, yes. 557 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,680 He's had lots of work done and he's got this, this ridiculous 558 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,600 head of hair that's it's clearly synthetic. 559 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Certainly not, it's certainly not natural. 560 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,120 It's the hair, it's the teeth. It's Botox. 561 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,120 You know, he runs a plumbing company. 562 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,360 I think that's the he's a. But he's always on, he's always 563 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,160 on news programmes talking about the average working bloke. 564 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,320 How would he, you know? But nonetheless, there, there is 565 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,840 a distinct similarity. I I know exactly who you mean. 566 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,920 And yes, his act was always quite odd as well, because it 567 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,520 was sort of on the back of Don. That's not the greatest phrase 568 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,240 on the back of Duncan Norvell. I was going to say, but that 569 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,480 chase me, chase me. But that sort of thing, you 570 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,680 know, So there's, there's a great deal of feminine feminine 571 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,640 about him. And, and he managed to beat 572 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,040 Barrymore and Ken Dodd. Well, I'll tell you. 573 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,400 Next we have the award for Top TV Comedy Actor presented by 574 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,640 Maureen Lippmann. Because again, again, this was 575 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,920 before the show was over running. 576 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,800 They let they gave her, they let her tell this interminable joke 577 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,960 about Bill Clinton when she was. So she's presenting the award 578 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:32,000 for top TV comedy actor. And in a totally unrehearsed 579 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,240 fashion, Jonathan Ross asked her if she knows any jokes about 580 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,760 politicians. Presumably expecting her to go 581 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,680 no. Do you? 582 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,880 No, but she piled on. No, I'm here to read out the 583 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,040 nominees. Thank you, Jonathan. 584 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,880 But no, she So she goes through this story about this joke about 585 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,840 Bill Clinton, who's in big trouble now. 586 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,560 I looked up that was well before Lewinsky, so God knows what he 587 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,440 was doing right in in in December 1994, I mean. 588 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,320 Probably in trouble for playing saxophone too often. 589 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,720 Could you stop that and actually do a bit of presidenting? 590 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,720 Please put that down. Tell you what though, he looks 591 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,720 like pretty George Washington now compared to. 592 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,480 Doesn't. Look, the new guy does he? 593 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,440 But she I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to 594 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360 repeat the joke because it's a bit weak. 595 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,040 But anyway, the nominees are Gregor Fisher for Rapsy Nesbitt, 596 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,440 Timothy Spall for Outside Edge. Hey, there you go, and Stephen 597 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400 Tompkinson for Drop the Dead Donkey. 598 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,320 I don't know why, but I'm inclined to lean towards Stephen 599 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Tompkinson for this. And you'd be right. 600 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120 Oh, it was. Now where was now let me think 601 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,600 because Donkey started in 90 I believe and ran till I think 98 602 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,240 and I was watching I watched the the I think they'll watch the 603 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,080 full series in 94 because it was absolutely out it's height then 604 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,800 I was really enjoying it. Can I shock you? 605 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,040 I don't think I've ever watched a full episode. 606 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,320 For some reason it just never appealed to me at the time. 607 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,760 I'm sure it was very good. Tompkinson came up and basically 608 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,520 said that it gave him as much of A as much of A shock as Julian 609 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,480 Cleary gave Norman Lamont the year before and and nicely he he 610 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360 gave special thanks to Andy Hamilton and Guy Jenkin, 611 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,360 obviously the writers. Then Jonathan Ross made this 612 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,320 doom laden diatribe about the sun collapsing, the world ending 613 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,199 and making everything futile and maintenance. 614 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,520 And then he announced the next award which was the award for 615 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,000 best Channel 4 sitcom presented by Linford Christie. 616 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,960 Lots of mentions of slow motion shots of him and Lycra OH. 617 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,760 Yeah. And then of course, you know, 618 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,360 with the so you have the the Norman a month thing, the year 619 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,360 before the Julian Cleary thing and then coming out to present 620 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:04,080 best Channel 4 sitcom. And again Jonathan says Anthea 621 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,240 Turner. Now obviously she'd been out 622 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,800 already, but there was some issue with Linford Christie who 623 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,680 was presenting, yeah and was, you know, stuck in traffic or 624 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,560 whatever. Anyway, he arrives and and then 625 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,280 Jonathan then decides right and dives into a few nob gags, you 626 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,520 know, believe the bloke alone, which I've just watched his 627 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,160 documentary not too long ago. He's harrowing stuff. 628 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,360 He's had this for years, you know, in the, as far as the 629 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,720 media is concerned, the the, the whole phrase lunch box, I think 630 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,800 just changed meaning overnight. Because. 631 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,840 Paul Linford. Linford, let me, can I, can I 632 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,440 deal with something here if you don't mind, if this is OK? 633 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,560 Because you are, of course, Britain's perhaps one of our 634 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,520 favorite and our foremost sports personalities. 635 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,000 No doubt about that. You are a fantastic individual. 636 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,520 You are a man gifted beyond belief. 637 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520 And I just wonder, in terms of your popularity overall, how 638 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,520 much do you attribute to that and how much of those slow 639 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,280 motion shots of you in life were jumping over her? 640 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,720 And while we're at it, God bless life, right? 641 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,400 I'll put it right up there with the wheel. 642 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:12,920 I don't know about you. Never mind that, mate, the 643 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,440 nation wants to know. 5050 Linford Christie Ladies and 644 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,840 gentlemen, who needs Anthea Turner when we've got you right? 645 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,320 I didn't mean that. I never had an opinion either 646 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,640 way, really, about Jonathan Ross until I could take him or leave 647 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,880 him. Until I was really, really 648 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,720 annoyed by Saxgate. Oh, the radio fit. 649 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,080 Absolutely. Yeah, him and dickhead. 650 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,920 That's it. That's right. 651 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,360 Timothy Claypole from Rent A Ghost. 652 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,200 What's his name? Russell Brand. 653 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,320 Yes. Ringing ringing Andrew Sachs and 654 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,080 leaving a voicemail message about his granddaughter and 655 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,520 stuff. I just thought how pure oil? 656 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,160 Don't worry, absolutely. No, you won't. 657 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,200 You won't get away with it. You know, it's radio, you clown. 658 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:02,480 Anyway, that's what. Happened. 659 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,520 Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of and then then the apology 660 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,680 afterwards, you know, which was even less heartfelt, I think. 661 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,920 Yeah, So I always think there's that story. 662 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:24,640 I'd like to think it's true that Jonathan Ross, David Williams. 663 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,600 This is a joke, isn't? It it sounds like the beginning 664 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,840 of a joke. Jonathan Ross, David Williams 665 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,240 and A and other, I don't know who, possibly even Russell 666 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:34,040 Brand. It might have been. 667 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,560 I'm not sure that I've got. Certainly it was Jonathan Ross 668 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,080 and David Williams. They went to see Morrissey live. 669 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,880 He was playing in London. Oh, sorry, correction. 670 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,720 He was supposed to be playing in London, but he'd got wind of 671 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,960 someone was selling selling sausages 3 miles down the road 672 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,640 of the of the the venue. So he decided he wasn't going to 673 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,120 perform. So you had this, this arena full 674 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,880 of people that have paid to see Morrissey and it's clear he's 675 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,080 not coming on. And so the, the, the, the 676 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,080 crowd's getting a bit ugly. And so the story goes, Mrs. 677 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,480 Williams and Ross decided to, hey, you know, we're, we're 678 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,680 entertainers. Let's Why don't we go up on 679 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,680 stage and entertain? The audience. 680 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,640 Great idea lads, off you go. Yeah, and if I was to use the 681 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:33,720 phrase, three dozen bottles of piss flung their way instead of 682 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,960 image with that conjure up in. Your well, there there there is 683 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,880 an opinion that would suggest that they deserved every drop of 684 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,960 that, you know, but but for being in the same post code as 685 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,360 everybody else. But yeah, well, this is it. 686 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,000 There's a very famous the as it was, it was download festival 687 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,880 now, but it was Monsters of Rock, it was the Van Halen. 688 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,880 I think we're playing and there's a big sign on the on the 689 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,360 stage and it's still there now when they have it up there, just 690 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,040 in case these new bands don't understand. 691 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,880 But it says do not drink anything thrown on stage. 692 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,040 And a big bottle of Jack Daniels was thrown up on stage. 693 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,840 And when you look at the photographic evidence, you 694 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400 realise it looks nothing like Jack Daniels. 695 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,400 Your man took a big swig of it. And then, well, that was that 696 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,680 was the gig gun, you know, more sense out of that. 697 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:36,280 Oh dear. So, so it's it's best Channel 4 698 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,640 sitcom. Do you want to have a guess at 699 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,920 the three nominees? OK. 700 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:48,120 So I think maybe was it in this final year by this point, 701 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,440 because Norman Beaton, I think died maybe that year or the year 702 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560 after. I think Desmond's still been 703 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,800 going at that time. Yes, I presume the job of the 704 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,360 donkey itself would have been That's another can. 705 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,400 You make it a hat trick. Sitcoms mid. 90s OK, I'm 706 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,080 probably going to be wrong about this but I'm going to throw in 707 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,160 Somewhat forgotten now, but I think it got free series 708 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,400 dressing for breakfast. No, no, I don't remember that. 709 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,600 Who was in that? OK, Holy aired, wasn't it I 710 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,440 think. Oh, I liked her. 711 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,240 And what was that Tom Bell said? Hope it rains. 712 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,800 That's right. That's right. 713 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,960 No, it was blue heaven. Oh, Frank Skinner, Yes. 714 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,480 Yeah. Who scooped it? 715 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,280 I think they'll be dropping the donkey. 716 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,720 Absolutely, absolutely. And this time Guy Jenkin 717 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,920 accepted the award and apologized for Andy Hamilton not 718 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,240 turning up, but said he never does. 719 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,920 He remains too balanced a human being to ever turn up to these 720 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,640 affairs. And and Jonathan Ross says 721 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680 afterwards, what does that, what does that make us? 722 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,920 Jeffrey Dahmer's cellmates? So that was quite good. 723 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:04,800 Now, arguably after Spike, the most memorable moment of the 724 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,640 night was the next award, or at least the next presenter of the 725 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,080 next award, which was Meatloaf. Oh, yes, I remember that. 726 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,640 Yes, yeah. I, I, I, I think, I think, I 727 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,680 think substances had been. Maybe, but I, I got the 728 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,200 impression that it was more sort of, I got the impression that it 729 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,120 was, it was less like he'd been on the, you know, the, the old. 730 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,840 Marching powder. Yeah, although Shepard Fountain, 731 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,440 but I I get the person. He was just trying to do a skit. 732 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,880 He was trying to do something that didn't quite come off. 733 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,160 He. Was trying to throw Jonathan 734 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:45,040 Ross and largely succeeding. Like be a lady tonight. 735 00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:54,050 Wait, child. Which is OK. 736 00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:56,130 Wait, just wait. Oh man. 737 00:41:59,170 --> 00:42:03,330 Oh oh, OK OK. My train. 738 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,120 Was late coming into Waterloo. I'm really sorry. 739 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600 OK OK. Did I miss the number? 740 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,120 You wacky Americans, I I don't know. 741 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,840 There's no stopping you, is there? 742 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,000 Wow. Well, you come calm. 743 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,720 Hello, darlings. How are you doing? 744 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,760 Excuse me? How are you doing? 745 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080 I just told you. My train was late coming into 746 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,440 Waterloo. Jonathan you, He's a singer, 747 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:45,800 Stadium, that kind of thing. Did it not seem bizarre to hear 748 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,720 him say the words Cilla Black for Blind Date? 749 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,680 He was struggling to say that, wasn't he? 750 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,360 Yeah, it is. It is very strange. 751 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,760 Cilla Black for blind Date and and never really got through 752 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,920 Bruce Forsyth, did he? No, or play your cards right or 753 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,000 Bruce Forsythe, play your cards right as it was back then. 754 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,080 It's a pretty silly, wasn't there that that would have been 755 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,560 a good, that would have been a bit of a sing along, bit of a 756 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,280 karaoke thing happening. And also I'm. 757 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,720 Sorry, but the dashboard light. I know the category is ITV 758 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,960 Entertainment presenter. That's stretching it. 759 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,240 I would argue for Blind Date. I would say it's certainly not 760 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,200 comedy. Do tap dance. 761 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,560 Just get on with it. What do you make Michael 762 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,040 Barrymore for? Barrymore. 763 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,800 He's really good at that yo stuff. 764 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:50,040 Cilla Black for the blind date. He's not going to do it again. 765 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,280 OK. And here we go. 766 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,640 I have to say this the correct way. 767 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,920 Bruce Forsythe for the Bruce Forsythe play your cards right. 768 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,160 That's. The one talking. 769 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,960 I know that's it. I'm going to say yeah, I'm going 770 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,400 to say Bali Moore. Yes, for any perennial winner of 771 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,520 that award in the theater. He gets huge applause. 772 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,040 And this is the year where he's been in the tabloid press quite 773 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,320 a bit for being in rehab for drug and alcohol issues. 774 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,280 And he, you know, he leads into that. 775 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,000 He doesn't try and shy away from it. 776 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,920 He's he's quite open about that said, you know, where have I 777 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,200 been since we last met? He says to the audience, gets a 778 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,120 huge warm response from that, you know, and he's also playing 779 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,360 off Meat Loaf quite well. The two of them almost kind of 780 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,280 like gang up on Jonathan Ross to a degree. 781 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,160 He sings a song which it it. It appears to be improvised, but 782 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,520 I'm sure it wasn't thanking Marcus Planton do. 783 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,880 You think Marcus Plant? No. 784 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,320 Well I think at the time he was. Was he the director? 785 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,480 What? Whatever title he had as, as 786 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,320 head of the ITV Network Centre, which had been established the 787 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,280 year before and it was intended to get rid of the old sort of 788 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,640 feudal 5, you know, company bosses butting heads around a 789 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,320 table once a week. So a system of choosing which 790 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,440 companies we're going to get the programs on the air. 791 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,520 So it was, it was sort of the beginning of the, the, the 792 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,040 gradual consolidation of the the ITV network. 793 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,000 Well, Marcus planted in the room because you do see a a shot of 794 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000 him kind of smiling and grimacing at the same time. 795 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:36,160 And, and Barrymore's song essentially is him saying I did 796 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,440 another series of the bloody show you wanted me to make, but 797 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,120 I'd like a different series, please. 798 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,320 And then Hawking himself to the BBC, Yes, which it was quite 799 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,000 amusing and and it it was a reminder of how big and how 800 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,320 popular Barrymore was. Yes. 801 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,200 Because I'd forgotten. You do forget, don't you? 802 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,320 I might because at that time I'm not sure what his his contract 803 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,880 status would have been with ITV. But you mentioned Brucey there 804 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,080 about being nominated for player cards, right? 805 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,760 And that was Brucey's, they overlapped a little bit, but 806 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,800 that was his final year at that time at the BBC. 807 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,400 And they would have been in the process then of getting a new 808 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,160 presenter for the Generation game. 809 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:20,000 And I presume then if Ballymore had been available to, to top 810 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,440 up, then he might have been in the frame or exactly that role. 811 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,920 But as of course, as things worked out then he he stayed at 812 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,880 ITV for his remainder of his career. 813 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,120 Yeah, at the at the top of the show as well. 814 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,360 I forgot to mention there were two awards that viewers were 815 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,040 asked to vote. So they were asked to phone in 816 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,960 10 PA minute. Yeah. 817 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,200 And they were the categories were award for best 818 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,400 entertainment series and award for best comedy series. 819 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,200 OK. And I don't quite know why, but 820 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,000 halfway through the evening they decided to announce the the 821 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,200 results of one of those two categories and the the the 822 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,800 second category they left till the end. 823 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,600 So I don't quite know why they did that. 824 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,680 I, I, I don't, I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm sort of 825 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,840 assuming maybe it's to do with how they would have collated the 826 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,640 phone votes and to try and collate 2 lots of them by the 827 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,720 end of the show might have been a bit of a strain. 828 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,760 So I'm not sure if maybe it was to make things easier for that 829 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,760 process. OK, well, so this is where it 830 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,160 started to go wrong because Jonathan Ross said, OK, so we're 831 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,640 going to announce the award for the best entertainment series. 832 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,600 And he announced the winner and then the winner. 833 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,200 And I'm not going to say who the winner was at this stage, but 834 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,000 the winner approached the podium and then Jonathan Ross said, oh, 835 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,480 sorry, I meant to announce the other, the winner of the other 836 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:01,880 category. So so he started again and he 837 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,160 announced the winner of the award for best comedy series. 838 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,120 As I say, as as voted for by the public phoning in, I'll give you 839 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,520 the categories, the all new Alexis Sales show, the 840 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:21,240 day-to-day, the man from Auntie Murder most horrid 2 and Rory 841 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:22,560 Bremner. Who else? 842 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,600 So of those five, who do you fancy? 843 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,000 OK, now this is a tricky 1 because these phone votes can 844 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,680 sometimes they could be a bit sort of misleading sometimes 845 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,960 because if you've got like a devoted fan base of one specific 846 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,280 show, they can all get behind their show and then the rest of 847 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:49,280 the public, their vote is sort of more evenly spread and not 848 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,800 naming any names, but do just happen to recall Doctor Who 849 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,960 winning best ever bloody BBC drama in the history of 850 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,840 everything in such a vote in 1996. 851 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:06,600 I think it was and thinking so, OK, so I don't think as 852 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,680 deserving as it would have been, I don't think that the 853 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,640 day-to-day would have had such a a mass sort of phone pole 854 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:19,880 support probably going to go with the man from Auntie, in 855 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,760 this case, BBC One. That would have been. 856 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,400 I'm going to go with Ben Elton. Yeah. 857 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,400 OK, well, the winner murder most horrid. 858 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,680 Oh. OK, with Rory Bremner very close 859 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,760 behind. Basically, day-to-day got 15% of 860 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:44,440 the vote and Dawn French wasn't there, so Jonathan Ross accepted 861 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,040 it on her behalf. The next award was Top male 862 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,600 comedy performer presented by Michael Winner. 863 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,560 Nominees were Rory Bremner for who else? 864 00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,880 Oh, sorry for Rory Bremner, who else? 865 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,840 Steve Coogan for knowing Me knowing you, which gets a big 866 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,400 cheer from the audience when that's announced, and Paul 867 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,560 Whitehouse for Smashy and Nicey. End of an area. 1994 was a 868 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,880 phenomenally good year for comedy, wasn't it? 869 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,080 But you wouldn't think so from There's not enough nominees in 870 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,200 these categories. Yeah, but just all these, all 871 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,760 these different programs and and specific shows that were maybe 872 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,600 one series or in this case this matching nicely a single program 873 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,000 all from the same year. This is amazing. 874 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,920 Yeah, I'm, I'm torn between Bremner and Coogan, and I'm 875 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:47,080 going to say Bremner, Coogan. Oh, I was going to go Coogan. 876 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,880 Now, Coogan's not there. He's in New York, he's filming 877 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,480 out. They say he's making a film. 878 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,360 I checked. He probably would have been the 879 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,640 film, which I've I've vaguely heard of, called The Indian in 880 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,040 the Cupboard. Right. 881 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,840 But he was presented with his award by the novelist Jackie 882 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,400 Collins for some reason. Right. 883 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,000 And he. Yeah, he was. 884 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,160 Yeah. Very gracious, very young, fresh 885 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,840 faced Steve Coogan. Of course you are. 886 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,400 Steve, congratulations. Thank you very much, Jackie. 887 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,120 Thank. You, Steve, Jackie, thanks for 888 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,120 this. Remind me to give you a 889 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,880 complimentary copy of my live video. 890 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,480 Oh yeah, and I'll have to give him a bloody help. 891 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,000 With the kids, right? Plug plug. 892 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,960 I'll read that in the trailer anyway, thanks very much, James. 893 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,040 And a lot of people say that awards are divisive and elitist, 894 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,960 and then you win one and you think, no, they're not They're 895 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,520 great. Anyway, you've you've thanks. 896 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,160 I'd like to thank very quickly Jan Murphy, my agent. 897 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,080 I'm Andrea Nucci, Patrick Marber, Henry Normal, Rebecca 898 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,680 Front, Dave Schneider, Du McKean and, oh, loads of other people. 899 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,400 They know who they are. I'm missing England. 900 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,680 I'm missing old, bloody old Father Thames. 901 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,200 It's crazy out here. But listen, I'll catch up with 902 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,760 you later, OK? Thank you very much. 903 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,000 Thank you. Next was well as Jonathan Ross 904 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,280 announced it the Foregone Conclusion Award, but 905 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,280 technically the award for Best Comedy Film for 1994. 906 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,280 OK. Oh, of course. 907 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,880 Yes, Yeah. OK, OK, got it. 908 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:23,560 Yeah, and the person to present it was a Montserrat K by or 909 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,240 carbite Carbi, you know Montserrat. 910 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,640 Oh yes, she's fed you out. With Barcelona, yeah. 911 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,280 So I'm sure you're right, you know ahead of me here as to, you 912 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,800 know, one of the nominees. I was just on BBC last week for 913 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,240 Weddings and a Funeral but I'm I'm really intrigued as to what 914 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:44,160 the other nominations were. I'm not going to try and guess 915 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,200 because I've been here for a while. 916 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,680 No Shortcuts, which I've heard of it, but I couldn't tell you 917 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680 who was in it. And I think this is Woody Allen 918 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,920 Manhattan murder mystery. Oh, right, yes. 919 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,200 So who do you think? Who do you think won? 920 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,920 I'm going to hazard a guess that we're going to see Richard 921 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,800 Curtis on the stage. We are Richard Curtis, Mike Yule 922 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760 and somebody else whose name I didn't catch. 923 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,600 And Curtis just looks like a schoolboy in a tuxedo. 924 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,680 He's so. Yeah. 925 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,720 Next. Sorry I'm racing through this, 926 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,920 Gary, but we've got a few to to get through. 927 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:23,280 So award for for top TV comedy personality presented by Mariela 928 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:29,960 Frostrop and the nominees Joe Brand, Rory Bremner, Steve 929 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,840 Coogan. OK, in this case, I'm going to 930 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,440 go with Rory Bremner. Steve Coogan again. 931 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,920 Oh. So did Jackie Collins give him 932 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,840 the award again? Yes, right. 933 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,960 Yes, right. And he said Mum make room on the 934 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:53,440 mantelpiece. I'm coming home at this point. 935 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,360 Jonathan Ross gives an update on the viewers vote for the best 936 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,760 entertainment series. You know, the one he announced 937 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,800 prematurely earlier? Let's just say Barrymore's on 938 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,120 53%. Well, I mean, this is an ITV 939 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,960 audience. There's going to be a certain 940 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,040 element of home team advantage in these. 941 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,880 By the way, I forgot to tell you that the the the nominees for 942 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,880 that category that the that the public are voting for. 943 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,800 So we've got Barrymore. Clive Anderson talks back. 944 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,400 Don't forget your toothbrush. Noel's house party and the 945 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,400 unpleasant and forgotten world of Penn and teller the 946 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,960 unpleasant world of Penn and. Teller That was a good show. 947 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,960 Yes, God, that was in this year as well. 948 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,760 Yeah, because so those, so we'll we'll come to the results of 949 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,000 that a little bit later. But Next up is the award for top 950 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,360 female comedy performer presented by John Sessions, who 951 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,560 has a little bit of badonage with Jonathan Ross, who calls 952 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,840 him a lovey and congratulates him on his new play. 953 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,960 And Jonathan had asked him something of it and he was doing 954 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,680 it and he did like a 3 or 4 character voices, yes, during 955 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,200 this particular piece. And Cydia said it's one of those 956 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,640 wonderful shows, you know, it's, it's full of oh marvellous 957 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,360 people that have done so much work in the theatre. 958 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,040 They're real professional. And some ordinary people too. 959 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,320 You know the people who some of them, they don't have nice 960 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,680 houses, some of them don't have nice houses. 961 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,000 Do you any idea what that play would have been at that time in 962 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,400 94? 1994 Oh I don't know, was he 963 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,000 doing loot on the stage or something? 964 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,600 You know my night with Reg. Oh no, I do remember that. 965 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,840 That title actually. Did they make ABBC adaptation of 966 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,200 that? Maybe I. 967 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,800 Think they may have done, yeah. I always get that mixed up 968 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,200 though with an evening of Gary Lineker for some reason. 969 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,280 Merge the two and have an evening with Reg, the veteran 970 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:54,480 boxing commentator. So the nominees for the top 971 00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:00,600 female comedy performer are Jo Brand for Jo Brand Through the 972 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:06,320 Cake Hole, Rebecca Front for the Day Today, and Tracey Ullman for 973 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,880 Tracey Ullman Takes on New York. OK, I'm going to hazard a guess 974 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,640 here. I'm going to say Tracey Ullman 975 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,480 won it, and she wasn't there to receive it because she was in 976 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,920 America's. Absolutely correct. 977 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,360 She was in New York and she she's filmed receiving her award 978 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,080 and has a bit of a dig at Ronald Reagan's Alzheimer's. 979 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,400 That was a bit mean spirited, but there you go anyway. 980 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,280 And next category Top live stand up comedian presented by a 981 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,760 leading politician. Okie, dokie, now we've had press 982 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,280 go on. I don't think they're going to 983 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,280 have an old Labour Party MP on. Correct. 984 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,280 You say, OK, so when you say a leading politician, it's all 985 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,960 going to be something, it's going to be something absurd 986 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,800 like Lord such or what? Paddy Ashdown was it? 987 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,840 It was Paddy Ashdown. Oh, right, there you go. 988 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,520 There you go again, a little bit of uncomfortable banter with 989 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,040 Jonathan Ross, but the nominees for top live stand up comedian 990 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:16,200 are Joe Brand, Phil K, Lily Savage. 991 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,160 Oh no, I was going to be a smart arse and guess, oh I think I 992 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,600 know this one. It's going to be Lee Evans, but 993 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,600 just as well I didn't so. Now, when was his height? 994 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,400 Was he? Is he a little bit later? 995 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,760 Was he 9596? Was he Lee Evans? 996 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:30,840 Maybe. Maybe. 997 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,800 OK, I'm going to. OK, let's go. 998 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:34,920 Let's go. Let's go left field. 999 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,680 I'm going to say let's go. Phil Kay. 1000 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,960 Correct. And Steve Jones in his voice 1001 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,200 over says he's a cross between Billy Connolly and a hover 1002 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000 mower. Right. 1003 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,960 I didn't pick up on that. OK, that's interesting. 1004 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,840 And he kind of had a sort of anarchic edge to him, but I 1005 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,360 don't remember him doing anything else after that. 1006 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,560 He did have a series on Channel 4 in the 90s. 1007 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,080 Remember him doing whiskey adverts for White Mackay for a 1008 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,240 while. I just, I don't know. 1009 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,920 I mean, I'm person he's he's still active in somewhere and 1010 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,920 all, but yeah, names that was there and and then not so much. 1011 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,920 I vaguely remember him the same vain, or vaguely remember Rhona 1012 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,200 Cameron. I'm sorry, it's another Scottish 1013 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:23,880 comedian. I'm not trying to, but I'm sure 1014 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,360 I'm going to throw. I'm going to throw a front name 1015 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,720 as well. Donna McPhail. 1016 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,600 Donna McPhail Absolutely. Yeah. 1017 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,880 Yeah. So he so he, when he came up, he 1018 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,040 was, he was, I think he was a little bit a light as well. 1019 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,360 And he wished his friend Toby a happy birthday and tried to get 1020 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,720 the audience to sing happy birthday to to Toby, but they 1021 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,400 didn't. So it was a bit awkward. 1022 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,880 As soon as you said Toby, it made me think of Alan. 1023 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,040 Oh yeah, I thought your. Auntie Valentine got on the 1024 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,960 stage and didn't crack a smile once. 1025 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:03,880 Shot a few people OK, so next is the award for top television 1026 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:12,680 newcomer Patrick Moore presents and he's he's not he's not there 1027 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,920 to have a fun time. He's there to he's there 1028 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,520 strictly to read out the nominees and the winner and 1029 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,200 that's it. And I will not indulge in any 1030 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,960 friddling conversation with you, Mr. Ross. 1031 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,600 It was very much like that. So we've got so top television 1032 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,600 newcomer. Do you want to have a stab at 1033 00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,280 who the three nominees might be? Because it's a. 1034 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,040 Bit of a OK, I'm going to, I'm going to say I don't think that 1035 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,560 Steve Coogan would necessarily have counted as a newcomer at 1036 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,600 this time because he had already been on the somewhat forgotten 1037 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,880 Jonathan Ross vehicle Saturday Zoo. 1038 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,320 Yes, that's right. But one or two years earlier, I 1039 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,360 think maybe 93 and he was doing pole calf and so on then. 1040 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,920 So I, I don't think he would have been counted as a new car. 1041 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,200 The The thing is, I I saw I've I've got an increment as to 1042 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,360 who's won this in a way. I knew that was the one other 1043 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,120 thing apart from Spike Milligan I definitely remember from this 1044 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,160 show was seeing Chris Morris receiving an award. 1045 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,080 Why couldn't remember was did he win it for the day-to-day or was 1046 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,840 it like a category that he himself was was named in? 1047 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,400 Or I was thinking maybe did he win it for his Radio One series 1048 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,080 which was also 94 Which? No, it was for the the day 1049 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,200 today. Right. 1050 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,760 So it's OK who? Who were other nominees? 1051 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,160 So both nominated for Viva Cabaret. 1052 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,240 Oh, OK. Oh, hang on a minute. 1053 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,800 Oh, Viva Cabaret. Harry Hill. 1054 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,440 No. Oh, OK. 1055 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,920 I think maybe knife was knife for the weird. 1056 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,640 He was nominated for the Petty Award. 1057 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,720 Oh much bane. OK, what's his name? 1058 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:53,880 What's his name? What's his name? 1059 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,040 Oh God. I've got somebody in mind that 1060 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:57,720 comes. Should I give you a? 1061 01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,080 Clue. Should I give you a clue? 1062 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,680 I'm thinking Dave Gorman, no. No. 1063 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:04,920 No. OK, yeah. 1064 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,240 Go on then. Give us a clear tramp, Lionel. 1065 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,200 Tramp's ear. No. 1066 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,360 A bit on tramp's ear. Oh God, I'm Alan Davis. 1067 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:18,960 Yes. Yeah, there you go. 1068 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,600 Yeah. And the other person became a 1069 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:28,160 national treasure. And sadly, or the outer ego of 1070 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,800 this person. Sadly or the real person behind 1071 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:31,680 this character. Died. 1072 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,560 Recently. Lovely Savage. 1073 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,200 Yes, right. I I hope this means I'll earn 1074 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,360 enough money next year to develop a coke habit as big as 1075 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,400 meat loafs. And I would like to thank 1076 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,640 Armando for his help in seeing me to getting this that's 1077 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,040 genuine. He really helped me. 1078 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:54,640 Thanks a lot. Now, the next award, and I don't 1079 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,920 know, I in my head, this came right at the end, but this is 1080 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,240 the bit where we have the lifetime achievement award, 1081 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,560 which this whole podcast has built around, which is Ben Alton 1082 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,800 presenting Spike Milligan with the award. 1083 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,320 Spike's in tears at, you know, he's it. 1084 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,680 It is like it's a shock now. His daughter told me that he 1085 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,560 knew about it beforehand. You know, he was, he was aware 1086 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:20,840 that he was going to receive this. 1087 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,640 So but he but he'd been drinking wine quite a bit with the award. 1088 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,800 I think it's one of those ones. That they tell you. 1089 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,800 Beforehand you're going to get it because it was a lifetime 1090 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,840 achievement, so he probably had a few. 1091 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,480 Words somewhere in his head but he sat there drinking wine till 1092 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,960 the end of the three hour bloody filming, you know, got out and 1093 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,920 had to speak and genuinely I could see him struggling with 1094 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,000 embarrassment. Apart from the fact he was 1095 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,880 probably wobbling on his pins and starving hungry, he he got 1096 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,960 his tanky out several times and I know that. 1097 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,360 Thing. Of him, you know, he was 1098 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,520 embarrassed. He didn't like Jonathan Ross. 1099 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,800 He made that quite clear. And as the the letter began to 1100 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,880 be read from Prince Charles, it just came out and it was just 1101 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:13,080 spontaneous and brilliant. As he TV companies have not 1102 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:20,560 employed me for 10 years, I will take that as a a golden 1103 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:28,000 handshake. I'm not going to thank anybody 1104 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:50,160 because I did it all on my. Spike, Spike, I'm sure everyone 1105 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,600 knows that you have fans from all walks of life. 1106 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,280 And of course there's very, very famous, well respected fan in 1107 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,000 particular who wanted to be here, couldn't be here, but 1108 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,320 wanted to send a message. These are a series of cliches. 1109 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:05,680 You've that's, that's my job this evening. 1110 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,920 Here we go. I have a letter to read out here 1111 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,720 from His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales. 1112 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,880 Do I kneel down for this? I'm having enough trouble 1113 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,040 already. I'm not going to say the Prince 1114 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,760 of Wales I'm sorry I have to do this for, but I know it takes a 1115 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,480 lot of impact out of it. But here we go. 1116 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,520 As someone who grew up to the sounds of the Goon Show on the 1117 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,840 steam driven wireless, I must confess that I've been a 1118 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,080 lifelong fan of the participants in the show, and particularly of 1119 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,720 Spike Milligan, the little groveling bastard. 1120 01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,600 You know, the only thing that the papers the next day were 1121 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,040 talking about was Spike Milligan. 1122 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,040 Yeah. Is that fair? 1123 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,160 To be fair, to be honest, no. And this is, this is my take on 1124 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:09,120 it. Spike, you know, very happily, 1125 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,720 he's clearly unaware that with these type of awards, 1126 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,600 particularly the lifetime achievement awards, he doesn't 1127 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,520 know it's happening. He's been invited along, but he 1128 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,960 I don't think he's aware of it. So there is a sort of genuine 1129 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,200 shock moment when, when, when it's announced at the table. 1130 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,440 And Ben, Ben Outner thought was very good. 1131 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,120 It was an excellent piece that that he prepared for it. 1132 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,720 According to Jane, he was aware, or she thinks that he was aware, 1133 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:37,880 that he was going to get this award. 1134 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,720 Right. And then when he does come up, 1135 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,160 receives the award, and then Jonathan says, look, I've got 1136 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,440 something to read to you. And he reads it out and 1137 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,520 instinctively, you know, he says, little grovelling bastard 1138 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,440 now, but that the whole room then falls apart. 1139 01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:03,320 But Spike, of course, knows Prince Charles of old, their 1140 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:10,080 friends, you know, and Charles is a huge fan of Spikes and does 1141 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,560 all of these little, you know, the goon skits that he used to 1142 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,280 do and all this footage of that, all the bits and pieces. 1143 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,480 So to be called a grovelling little bastard by a bloke who 1144 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,080 you admire enormously and has probably done so in private, you 1145 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:29,140 know, wasn't an issue to him. But then that was the big take 1146 01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:32,040 away moment from the evening. There's Spike Milligan receiving 1147 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,200 a lifetime achievement award and then calls the future king a 1148 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,800 bastard, you know, all of this thing. 1149 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,600 So I don't think it was as fair that that the the coverage the 1150 01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,320 following day, look at it from a different perspective. 1151 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,960 Spike was all over every paper, everywhere you looked. 1152 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:54,160 And from from a Spike Milligan perspective, I don't know 1153 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,480 whether that would do him any harm at all. 1154 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,760 Look there he is, lifetime achievement. 1155 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,640 Oh God. He was, he, he was turned, he 1156 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,840 was having to turn work down, you know, appearance, personal 1157 01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,880 appearances and he, he turned up on the aforementioned Clive 1158 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,480 Anderson talks back. Yes, well, now I was trying to 1159 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,320 be. Something nice there in my 1160 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:12,800 introduction. But I don't want you to be as 1161 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,720 rude to me as you were to Prince Charles last year at the British 1162 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,560 comedy. Why don't you call me a was it 1163 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:22,440 grovelling bastard or? Well, I I was invited to this 1164 01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,480 party. I thought I was just being 1165 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,080 invited as a guest. Yes. 1166 01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,960 And it wasn't. I apparently won the surprise. 1167 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,560 Lifetime Achievement award. Yeah, by then I'd had three 1168 01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:40,120 bottles of leaf from milk and my wife was fooling me. 1169 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,920 As they they want you, I said. Oh. 1170 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,280 So I stumble up the stairs and they gave me what was possibly 1171 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,320 the most appalling aesthetic prize I've ever seen. 1172 01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:05,200 It's a piece of plastic with a joker, and I left it there. 1173 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,120 So. So you. 1174 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,520 So you went along not expecting a prize and they gave you a 1175 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,160 prize? Yeah. 1176 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,760 Because I went along expecting a prize and I didn't get one. 1177 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,000 But, well, you don't deserve one. 1178 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,080 So yes, you're right. You're absolutely right. 1179 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,399 Ben Alton, who's clearly genuinely a fan. 1180 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:28,640 Oh, absolutely. Milligan. 1181 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,279 And. And I've got a lot of time for 1182 01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,399 Ben Alton. And he talks about his fandom 1183 01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,560 and when he saw him live when he was 12 and, and he said, you 1184 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,240 know, reading Cocoon and things like that. 1185 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:39,760 And it just, it was from the heart. 1186 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,880 And that was that was really, really good. 1187 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,439 But then they show these clips and I hate this kind of thing 1188 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,399 because you think who've who's chosen these clips? 1189 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,040 Because I don't think they're, they've good clips. 1190 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,399 They're not representative of him of the best of, of Milligan. 1191 01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:00,080 And back in the day before YouTube, you know, people like 1192 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,279 me who were archive TV fans, this was this was, you know, 1193 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,800 manna from heaven. We've got these clips that we've 1194 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,080 we haven't seen before, you know, but Even so, you think 1195 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,680 God, you know, there's a clip from the last green show of all, 1196 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:18,000 which I know it's a color clip of the goons, but the, you know, 1197 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:22,640 the, the there's better clips. Earlier clips, they showed some 1198 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:26,800 clips from Q9, including a clip with Dave Lodge and blackface. 1199 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,800 You've got Spike with those false legs corpsing and and a 1200 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,359 clip from the man about the house film with with Brian 1201 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,279 Murphy, which is fine. It's just they just seem to be 1202 01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:39,240 hurriedly cobbled together and not very well thought through 1203 01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,359 getting there. There's there's so much better 1204 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:42,800 Milligan you you could have used to. 1205 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,279 Illustrate, you would think for a lifetime achievement award. 1206 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,120 You would, you know, make a, make a real point of going 1207 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,520 through the back catalogue and thinking, what can we do to put 1208 01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,000 something up on screen to show people who may not be familiar 1209 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,280 with him look at what he's done. There's there's performers, 1210 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:04,800 writers in this room now who are only here primarily because of 1211 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,000 their love of the goons. And here he is. 1212 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,240 And we are giving him this lifetime achievement award. 1213 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,760 And you would think that they would they would have done 1214 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,840 better. So I completely agree with you 1215 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,400 there. And notice as well when he when 1216 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,880 he gets the people on their feet applauded because he goes up on 1217 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,760 stage, I notice you've got John Sessions clapping very 1218 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,320 enthusiastically and then Ian Heslop in front of him looking 1219 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,640 less impressed because I know Ian Heslop back then. 1220 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:38,080 I've been told he had a bit of a problem with Milligan, which has 1221 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,120 he's he's since revised that opinion because he obviously 1222 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,360 wrote or Co wrote that play about Spike a few years ago when 1223 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,720 he actually did look into his background and his history and 1224 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,720 actually said actually, you know, maybe I was wrong. 1225 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,960 And we have this this attempt by Jonathan Ross to read this 1226 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,360 letter from the Prince of the then Prince of Wales. 1227 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,520 I have the full text here. Shall I read it to you? 1228 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,000 Oh, by all means, seeing as we've missed some of it, go 1229 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000 ahead. Well we I think we only got 1230 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,960 maybe 1/3 of it the first third over. 1231 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,000 Fire away. I think so. 1232 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,880 So the full text runs. As someone who grew up to the 1233 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,720 sounds of the Goon Show on the Steam Driven Wireless, I must 1234 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,120 confess that I've been a lifelong fan of the participants 1235 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,840 in the show, and particularly of Spike Milligan, whose 1236 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,960 wonderfully original humor has always reduced me to helpless 1237 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,840 hysterics. It is a brand of humor that is 1238 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,640 gloriously, eccentrically British, if an Irishman will 1239 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,960 forgive me for saying that. It has brought pleasure and joy 1240 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,640 into millions of people's lives to the extent that Spike 1241 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,240 Milligan has virtually become an institution in his own right. 1242 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,360 For nearly 50 years he has kept us all in stitches. 1243 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,160 Goodness knows what it is sometimes cost them to do so. 1244 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,680 But now the remarkable contribution he has made to the 1245 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,720 life of our country is being recognized by this Lifetime 1246 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,440 Achievement Award. I hope Spike doesn't see this 1247 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:02,680 award as an invitation to retire because his country needs him. 1248 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,080 So thank you Spike for being so original. 1249 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,880 This brings you my heartfelt good wishes and warmest 1250 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,880 congratulations. The thing is though, so we we we 1251 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,080 go to ad break, it comes back and it's business as usual. 1252 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,040 They carry on. There didn't seem to be much 1253 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,560 fallout from that on on on the evening on the evening, as in 1254 01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,520 there there was Richard Wilson later on mentioned Spike said 1255 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,680 something about the tower going to the tower or something. 1256 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,600 And that's about it really, isn't it? 1257 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:32,520 That that's the only the only comments made? 1258 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:39,480 But I was looking at a few newspaper reports. 1259 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,320 Oh yeah. What was the What was the 1260 01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,520 general field of play then the following day? 1261 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,440 Mostly positive. I mean this, this the The 1262 01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:53,280 Mirror, it says, as presenter Jonathan Ross read out a letter 1263 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,720 from the Prince praising the veteran Goon Show comedian, 76 1264 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,240 year old Milligan declared. Little groveling bastard. 1265 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,840 The audience of comics clapped and laughed, but some viewers 1266 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,760 complained to ITV. The network played down the 1267 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,200 incident, saying it was quote flippant. 1268 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,560 Prince Charles and Spike are said to have a very close casual 1269 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,600 relationship and Charles has said to love Spike for not 1270 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,160 treating him as a special person, a spokesman said. 1271 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,360 I'm sure he'll take the comment as a joke, Milligan said later. 1272 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,480 I didn't know the award was going to happen. 1273 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,480 Something came over me. It was impromptu and I was 1274 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,560 desperate to say something. I'll be banished from England to 1275 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,560 a lonely island off the Sillies where I will be chained to a ram 1276 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,840 and dressed in rags. He's a lovely man and has a good 1277 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,680 sense of humor. I see him quite often. 1278 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,120 I'm having dinner with him at Christmas. 1279 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,960 I'm sure he won't take it at heart. 1280 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,040 I was actually stunned that he wrote me a special letter. 1281 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,840 See, there we go. There you go. 1282 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,440 Now, the son told that viewers had complained. 1283 01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:58,880 Spike said him, his wife, Sheila, added the person who 1284 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,640 will laugh most at Spike's joke will be Prince Charles himself. 1285 01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,840 However, Missus Williams and the 300 other people that 1286 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,480 complained. Yes, oh God, disgusting of 1287 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,640 Tunbridge Wells are out in force. 1288 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,680 I did notice as well a few days later. 1289 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,640 I didn't actually make a note of which paper it was, but there 1290 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,400 was a little piece in one of the papers. 1291 01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,800 Spike Milligan aimed more of his irreverent wit in the direction 1292 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,960 of royalty yesterday when he joked that the Prince of Wales 1293 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,480 should, quote, shoot the Princess. 1294 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,880 Describing Prince Charles as a great man, he said, I do love 1295 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,480 him, but I do wish he wouldn't take part in hunting and all 1296 01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:42,000 those blood sports. He should shoot Diana instead. 1297 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,600 That there's an idea, someone said. 1298 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:48,880 Sown a seed. Oops. 1299 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:54,240 But not shooting no, I, I sorry, listens. 1300 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,680 I'm not one of those conspiracy theorists. 1301 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,920 So please take that take that in jest. 1302 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,360 And then yeah, there's there's all sorts of there's so many 1303 01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,120 things in the papers. There was a a report of him of 1304 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:08,360 him soon after collecting the Oldie of the Year award and and 1305 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,760 being all he was being asked was about that that quip from the 1306 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,880 Comedy Awards and the chairman of the judges, Rum Paul writer 1307 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,600 John Mortimer said that his description of the Prince at the 1308 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,200 British Comedy Awards could now be added to Charles's long list 1309 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,360 of titles, to the general amusement of all. 1310 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,880 Dear Johnny. Yes, so, but it certainly did as 1311 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,240 I said, you know, it certainly did. 1312 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,400 It was a shot in the arm for his for his career, because he. 1313 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,640 No harm at all, did it? No. 1314 01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,040 But you know what? The tabloids, it's the tabloids. 1315 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,840 They just whip it up because it wasn't really, as I said, it 1316 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,800 didn't really seem to. Yes, it got a huge response, but 1317 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,240 then it was over and they moved on. 1318 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:53,040 It was the tabloids and the media that that whipped it up in 1319 01:15:53,040 --> 01:16:01,920 the wake of it, really. The next award is for Top TV 1320 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,240 Comedy Actress presented by Angus Dayton. 1321 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,560 By this point, they're 25 minutes over running and the 1322 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:17,200 nominees are Brenda Blethen for Outside Edge, Josie Lawrence for 1323 01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,200 Outside Edge, Jennifer Saunders for AB Fab. 1324 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:22,640 OK. Well, I'm going to say in this, 1325 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,960 in this instance, I'm going to have a hazard guess that 1326 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,040 Jennifer Saunders does win it in this category. 1327 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,840 She does not. Oh, in which case, I'm going to 1328 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,520 guess Josie Lawrence. She does not. 1329 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,760 And which case there has to be, unless I'm very much mistaken 1330 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,160 and I'm going to say Brenda Pleffen. 1331 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,640 For Outside Edge, yes it was, and next was the award for top 1332 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,200 BBC entertainment presenter. Yes. 1333 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,440 Presented reluctantly, as you'd expect, by Jack D. 1334 01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,040 Oh yeah, do. You want to have a guess at the 1335 01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,760 three nominees for Best? Bear in mind it's BBC 1336 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,280 entertainment presenter. BB CS10 presenter OK, well. 1337 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,800 And Jack, Jack, Jack is rather withering, shall we say, when 1338 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,240 he's reading out the the nominees. 1339 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,600 Well, I I think I'll leave the the name that I think is 1340 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,080 probably going to win it or last. 1341 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,600 OK. So in 94 otherwise, I mean, 1342 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:25,560 maybe he's he's a wild card Danny Baker because he presented 1343 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,280 pets win prizes in in that year. BBC One. 1344 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,960 He's not. I knew it was a wild card. 1345 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,080 Yep. Okie dokie. 1346 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,280 I think don't think of Dale Winton. 1347 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,080 I think Dale Winton still doing supermarket sweep at that time. 1348 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,040 I mean was was Brucey nominated for the Generation game? 1349 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,920 And you'd be right. OK, so I'm going to throw it one 1350 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:48,880 other name. Here. 1351 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,080 OK, Yep. No, actually, I'm going to throw 1352 01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,280 out two and probably none of them is going to be correct. 1353 01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,440 I'm going to throw out, strangely enough, Jonathan Ross, 1354 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,000 because he did present gag tag for BBC One. 1355 01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,080 He mentioned that actually during his during his opening 1356 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,120 monologue. Good, good. 1357 01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:13,480 And also Clive James, who I think was still doing what? 1358 01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:17,520 No, Oh no, hang on a minute. I think by that point I think 1359 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,640 Clive James had done his last New Year's Eve show for BBC, had 1360 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,840 then switched to ITV. So in 94 I think it would have 1361 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,880 been then been Angus Dayton. They would have been doing the 1362 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,120 end of the year show since then. But no, OK, I'm presuming that 1363 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,800 Noel Evans is, is is a winner. So yeah, who who are all the 1364 01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:36,760 nominees? I'm not sure. 1365 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,440 Yes, you are correct. Noel Edmonds wins for Noel's 1366 01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:40,720 house party. So so. 1367 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,280 So who were the three? Noel Edmonds. 1368 01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,560 Brucey. OK, so so Noel Edmonds, Brucey 1369 01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,960 and Paul Daniels for Wipeout. Oh yes, because he started, he 1370 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:54,360 started doing Wipeout in 94, but he still had one more magic 1371 01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:55,360 series to go. He was. 1372 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,800 He did a nice little show called Secrets, which was a bit more 1373 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,280 sort of back to basics magic, you know, bits and pieces of 1374 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,280 slight hand stuff like that. So yeah, I think that was maybe 1375 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,240 that was 95. Yes but no Wins and delivers the 1376 01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:17,480 longest thank you speech of the evening rather unnecessarily. 1377 01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:21,320 Says he received a handwritten letter from Spike begging him to 1378 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,960 let him on house party. And then Noel said he's due to 1379 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,600 come on later that year or next year, I should say, which I 1380 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,320 thought was a bit off. Yeah, You know what I mean? 1381 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,960 It kind of implies that Spike's desperate for work, which 1382 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,520 obviously to a degree he was, but you don't announce that to 1383 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,400 the TO. The Well do you? 1384 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,440 Did he ever do? Partly. 1385 01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:44,280 I don't remember him being. On I think he well, I, I want to 1386 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,520 say he did. I don't, I, I can't say for 1387 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,080 certain. I want to say he did. 1388 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,880 Mr. Blobby comes on. He gets a few claps, a bit of 1389 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,760 scattered applause from the room. 1390 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,840 It's very awkward, quite embarrassing. 1391 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,760 Right here's Noel Edmonds, who's been clearly aching for an award 1392 01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,080 all night. And he gets, yeah, it's you 1393 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:06,840 right? And he comes up to accept it, 1394 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:12,760 then has a moment where creating an idea around or we would we 1395 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,400 normally we've selected a member of the crew at random. 1396 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,200 To come up and accept the award on, on on on our behalf. 1397 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,600 And then Blobby turns up and you know immediately that there's 1398 01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,160 going to be some, I mean, Jonathan shut it down quite 1399 01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:31,000 quickly, to be fair, but you know immediately where it's 1400 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,120 going. But why was that absolutely 1401 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,040 necessary? I suspect it's because Blobby 1402 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,360 was the reason the, the big thing behind the show. 1403 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,160 You know, people would recognise Blobby. 1404 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,040 Oh, it's the we'll watch Noel's house party with Blobby Noel. 1405 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,080 I think it was maybe a, a, a secondary moment, even though he 1406 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,800 was behind the whole thing and created it. 1407 01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,080 But nonetheless, I think that was we need to associate this 1408 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,000 character with this show. And also, I think I think I'm 1409 01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,160 right in saying that the 90 the year before Christmas, Blobby 1410 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,600 had a huge single may have even got to number one. 1411 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:08,760 I'm not quite sure. And I just think the character 1412 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:13,440 Mr. Blobby just is abysmal. And it's it's I said this to 1413 01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:16,640 friends. It's as if they were trying to 1414 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:21,040 come up with a family friendly character and asked Homer 1415 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,280 Simpson to design it. Yes. 1416 01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:24,960 It's not a million miles away, is it? 1417 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:26,160 Yeah. Yeah, I did. 1418 01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:28,000 You know, I I tell you what it reminds me of. 1419 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,000 It reminds me of first. It reminds me of. 1420 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,600 It's A Knockout always whenever I say something because it's 1421 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,480 always falling over. But it also reminds me of a sort 1422 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,880 of, we need a new version of Rod Hull and Emu. 1423 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,480 And you put the two things together and got the emu, which 1424 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,000 is the costume on the outside and the bloke in the middle of 1425 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,680 it. And then you need the straight 1426 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,080 man, which is no. And that that's more or less 1427 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:57,000 where I think it's done to be in that meeting where they go. 1428 01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,960 I've got this great idea. Somebody run it past me and go 1429 01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,640 that's a terrible idea and here's 3000 reasons why it won't 1430 01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,320 work. But of course, the public, as we 1431 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,480 found out ourselves just saying that the year before the damn 1432 01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:14,200 thing had a had a number one hit hit single. 1433 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,040 You know you can't touch the public, you know? 1434 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,160 No, the public, you're useless. Oh, they never, never want. 1435 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,040 Public to do anything much better without them, yes. 1436 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,000 People like us should be allowed to make all the decisions in 1437 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,920 every. Vote every time. 1438 01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,920 Oh, well, we are fortunate that at least it's someone who can 1439 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,400 string a few words together. It's meatloaf. 1440 01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:38,600 Ladies and gentlemen, on his back. 1441 01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,600 Pleased to meet you. One thing, if you go nuts, I'm 1442 01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,480 going to chin who's ever inside that suit. 1443 01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,960 So say your face. Let's move on, Blobby. 1444 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,640 No lemons are Mr. Blobby. Thank you very much indeed, 1445 01:22:50,640 --> 01:23:03,040 Robbie. Wow, it really is a bull church. 1446 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,480 And the ladies and gentlemen, the next award, which is the 1447 01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:10,800 award for Best New TV Comedy presented by Julie Richardson. 1448 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,760 So 3 nominees for Best New TV Comedy for 1994. 1449 01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:19,360 Gary, what do you reckon? OK, day to day's got to be in 1450 01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,520 there. Shirley yes. 1451 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,560 Knowing me, knowing you. Yes. 1452 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,000 Oh, OK, one more. It's going to be something 1453 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,800 completely bloody random, isn't it? 1454 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,040 It's going to be. Something it is, and I'm a bit. 1455 01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:33,720 Oh, you'll probably disagree with me on this. 1456 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,480 I don't think this deserves to be. 1457 01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,440 Is this something that we we technically is like really 1458 01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:41,200 tenuous as to well, this is actually a comedy program or is 1459 01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,400 it more or? Like, but it is comedy. 1460 01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:44,880 But it's not, it's not what I would call a traditional. 1461 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,520 It's not like a sitcom. It's not like 1/2 hour. 1462 01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,520 It's oh, hang on a minute, it's not it's not a staggering 1463 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,560 stories of Edna and Tobago. No, no, that'd be all right, but 1464 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,080 it's not that. Oh. 1465 01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:04,360 It's sport related. Sport related. 1466 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,880 Oh God, I should know this St. Greasy wasn't still going. 1467 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,680 Skinner. Skinner Oh, fantasy Football 1468 01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,440 League. Oh yes, that's no absolutely 1469 01:24:14,440 --> 01:24:17,600 deserves to be in there. Yes, OK, yes, certainly. 1470 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,960 Oh, I can't believe it and get that because I was, I was, I was 1471 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,560 a religious fear of that every week. 1472 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,120 Right. Oh. 1473 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:24,960 Great day. So who? 1474 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,120 So who won for that category? I'm going to say knowing me, 1475 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,800 knowing you. Correct. 1476 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,200 There we go. And for once, we don't get 1477 01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,560 Jackie Collins presenting Steve Coogan with the award. 1478 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:40,320 We get Patrick Marber and Armando up on stage accepting it 1479 01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,000 and they say doone's not there. Doone Mckeegan's not there 1480 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,760 because she's having a baby, and Steve's not there because he's 1481 01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:51,920 having Jackie Collins. This particular period always 1482 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,560 seemed like a very unusual period. 1483 01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:01,720 You come out of the, those big television shows of the 70s and 1484 01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,120 80's, the, the, the Morecambe and Wise's and the Two Ronnies 1485 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,480 and that sort of stuff. And then all of a sudden there 1486 01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:12,320 was a change in direction. There was much more satire which 1487 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,400 had come along because of shows like Have I got news for you? 1488 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:19,520 Because of, you know, drop the dead donkey shows of that nature 1489 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,760 which had sort of formed everything. 1490 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:25,880 The day-to-day was a was a sort of a a big kick to one side or a 1491 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,720 brand new look at at how you create this and how wonderful 1492 01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,480 writers like Amanda Iannucci and and and the rest of the cast. 1493 01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,680 It's lovely seeing Rebecca front get nominated as well. 1494 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,120 She's come on to be just the most remarkable actress. 1495 01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,800 But it was it's very interesting looking at the whole thing and 1496 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:48,080 and and seeing the type of stuff that that was being that was 1497 01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,440 being awarded. And and again, the presenter is 1498 01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:52,720 a huge fund. I mean, you know, top television 1499 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,040 newcomer. Who should we get to present? 1500 01:25:54,040 --> 01:26:02,120 I know Patrick Moore. There's this kind of, it's 1501 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,400 almost like it's totally unrehearsed or unexpected. 1502 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,960 Jonathan Ross announces Bill Cotton, who's the president of 1503 01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:13,000 the Royal Television Society at the time, who announces this 1504 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,800 brand new award, which is the jury's special comedy award. 1505 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,760 It's just like an award that they've just cobbled together 1506 01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,400 purely to honour this one particular person. 1507 01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:30,240 And it's presented to Armando Iannucci for knowing me, knowing 1508 01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,920 you and the day-to-day. And he comes straight back up on 1509 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,960 stage having just vacated. And he decides that the one 1510 01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,480 person he's going to thank is the production manager, Ali 1511 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:45,880 Macphail, for her services to both shows. 1512 01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:51,800 OK. And then we have award for Best 1513 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,240 TV Comedy Drama presented by Richard Wilson. 1514 01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,920 Oh, OK. And Outside Edge is one of them, 1515 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,240 the aforementioned An Evening of Gary Lineker and Frank Stubbs. 1516 01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,240 All Frank Stubbs promotes with Timothy's ball, Yes. 1517 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,480 That's right, Yes, Which I wasn't aware. 1518 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,640 I I, I I didn't remember that. Yeah. 1519 01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,320 So of those three, who who wins? Like Frank Stubbs? 1520 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,800 What were they all 2? Outside Edge and an evening of 1521 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,360 Gary Lineker. I'm going to say an evening of 1522 01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,040 Gary Lineker, I think. You'd have thought so, yeah. 1523 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,840 No outside edge. Oh, OK. 1524 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,840 And then racing through there is the award for best radio comedy 1525 01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:40,360 presented by Eddie Izzard. The nominees are crowned HUDS, 1526 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,040 which I guess was Roy. Roy HUD. 1527 01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,440 A look back at the future and the Masterton inheritance. 1528 01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:50,440 Masterton inheritance that was Paul Merton and Josie Lawrence 1529 01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:54,440 was was that was that the Is it the Comedy Store players? 1530 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,880 Yes, that's right. Yes, yeah. 1531 01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,400 I've got all that. Dean and Jim Swinney as well. 1532 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:00,560 John Sweeney. That's right. 1533 01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:01,640 Yeah. Jim Sweeney. 1534 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,480 Yeah, yeah. So of those 3 crowned huts, look 1535 01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,840 back at the future and the Masterton inheritance. 1536 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,160 How you gonna say Masterson inheritance? 1537 01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,080 You'd have thought so, but no, it's a look back at the future. 1538 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,160 Oh, right. OK. 1539 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:18,840 Which had people like Kate Robbins and John O'farrell 1540 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,360 involved. They came up on stage and 1541 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,080 accepted it. Completely forgotten today, I 1542 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,240 think it's fair to say, isn't it? 1543 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,000 I did not even one I remember hearing about on BBC 7. 1544 01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:32,840 Natalie Video, Four extra. I know it was mentioned we it 1545 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,880 was my guest mentioned it on Goon pod a while back. 1546 01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,480 I can't remember who it was and. Very vague memory. 1547 01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:43,480 They might have got television pilot after this maybe maybe off 1548 01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:45,160 the back of. This it was a it was a follow up 1549 01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:48,560 to a show called A Look Back at the 90s. 1550 01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,920 Then Jonathan Ross has a dig at All Night Long. 1551 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:59,040 Hey fantastic. Which which was on Till 9's must 1552 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,520 see list and actually did turn up a few years ago. 1553 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,440 Who was in that? I was Keith Batten. 1554 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,440 Oh, I've seen that with you guys, I think. 1555 01:29:06,440 --> 01:29:07,440 Yes, indeed. Yes, yeah. 1556 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:12,760 He then goes on to announce the best BBC Sitcom award presented 1557 01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,960 by Honour Blackman. So here we go, Gary. 1558 01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,440 OK, so Absolutely Fabulous. It's got to be in there. 1559 01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:20,760 It's the nomination, correct? Surely one for the grave? 1560 01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:26,840 No, really. There was no 94 series of 1 foot 1561 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,600 oh. Right. 1562 01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,960 There was a Christmas one there, wasn't there? 1563 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,800 Brian Murphy. Yes, the man who blew away. 1564 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,320 Yes. Yeah, OK, so. 1565 01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,600 Oh, BBC sitcoms. Well, it might. 1566 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,680 Did it maybe come a little bit too late? 1567 01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,840 Because not sure when the cut off point for these nominations 1568 01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,360 are, but 1994 was the the first BBC series of men behaving 1569 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,960 badly. No, that's wow. 1570 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:52,840 Oh. Right, OK. 1571 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:54,920 That certainly the next year certainly would have been. 1572 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,480 Yeah. OK. 1573 01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:59,400 So. Oh, British Empire. 1574 01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:05,000 No, play me. OK, Gary, I'm going to clues. 1575 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,440 I'm going to give you a clue here, a couple of clues. 1576 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,440 I think you grew up around where one of these sitcoms was. 1577 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,440 Oh, Rob C Nesbitt. Correct, Govan. 1578 01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:19,600 Yeah, yeah. And the other one. 1579 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:21,640 I know, I know, I definitely did not. 1580 01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:29,360 By the way, I. Just the other one I guess it 1581 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,600 was into its sixth series by this .66. 1582 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:39,560 Series 1994. Hang on a minute, I've got. 1583 01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,800 You said British, you said British Empire. 1584 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,280 Oh, hang on a minute. Oh, hang on a minute, Red Dwarf. 1585 01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:45,800 Yes. There we go. 1586 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,120 This is this is interesting because because BBC sitcoms are 1587 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,920 spread between BBC One and two, I notice. 1588 01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:58,160 Oh, do they make an instinct channel Should Well, I mean, ITV 1589 01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,320 and champ for both get their own categories. 1590 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:05,840 Yeah, BBC, arguably with both the the majority of the sitcoms, 1591 01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,120 probably most sitcoms of any broadcaster, they only get one 1592 01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,480 category for the both for the two channels, which is 1593 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:12,440 surprising. Yeah. 1594 01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:19,680 So but of those 3 so reb seen as but AB Fab and Red wolf 6 who 1595 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,360 wins? OK, the obvious candidate I'm 1596 01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,680 going to say is AB Fab. So therefore I'm going to say 1597 01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,040 Red Dwarf. It was Red Wolf. 1598 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,080 Oh. Yeah, and you had Rob Grant and 1599 01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,560 Grant, Doug Naylor on stage, Craig Charles Crichton. 1600 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,760 And Crichton is Robert Llewellyn, doesn't he? 1601 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:47,200 And Danny John Jules then penultimate award was a lifetime 1602 01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:52,680 achievement award, a second lifetime achievement award and 1603 01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,560 it's to a female performer. And if I if I was to say that it 1604 01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,520 was presented by Roy Hudd, who do you think? 1605 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,640 Oh, it's got to be June Whitfield. 1606 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,200 It is June Whitfield, absolutely. 1607 01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,480 And you'll be pleased to hear, by the way, they show some clips 1608 01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:15,000 from her career, OK, including early stepped on son. 1609 01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:21,720 Yeah, a clip from Happy Ever After, clip from Carry On Abroad 1610 01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:28,120 and a clip from Tyrion June, which it's that episode of Terry 1611 01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:29,800 and June. If I say that episode which 1612 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:34,680 which one do you think I'm? Not the one where they the June 1613 01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,480 is trying to convince Terry that that she's taking a punk. 1614 01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:41,080 Yes, that is the one. Yes, brilliant. 1615 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,920 Between gags about Frankie Goes to Hollywood in 1987. 1616 01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:51,080 I have bought this week's top 10 LP's and thrown out all those 1617 01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:52,880 pampy old middle-aged records we used to have. 1618 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,960 All of them, yes. Not the Sound of Music. 1619 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,880 Of course you you haven't touched the mass bands that they 1620 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,120 always shot tattoo that was the first to go. 1621 01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:09,280 This is the new music, Terry, and this is the UV Max June. 1622 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,360 I love the old you. Oh no, that's. 1623 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:15,480 Old. House was crappy and little A 1624 01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:23,040 and find me a clip from AB Fab which goes on far too long but 1625 01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,040 but yeah so she you know rightfully so she she she won 1626 01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:27,520 that there was no clip from Hancock. 1627 01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,240 I noticed which I. Was going to straight away. 1628 01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,560 I was, I was thinking blood to winner. 1629 01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,080 Glaring omission there. But then finally we have the 1630 01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:39,320 last award of the evening which is voted for by the viewers 1631 01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,920 which is best Entertainment series. 1632 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:45,640 Now, if you cast your mind back, I I think you know the answer to 1633 01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:50,560 this, but I gave you the the nominees which were Barrymore, 1634 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,920 Clive Anderson talks back. Don't forget your toothbrush 1635 01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:55,080 Knowles house party and the unpleasant world of Penn and 1636 01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,760 Teller. And who do you think won which? 1637 01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,720 Which 98% of the vote, of course it was Penn and Teller there. 1638 01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,640 They were there. They they went on and yeah, 1639 01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:13,640 skipped it And OK, well, I mean, OK, it's going to be mainstream 1640 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,480 broadcaster, it's going to be either Ballymore or North host 1641 01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:19,000 party. And I'm going to say home 1642 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,080 advantage is going to be Ballymore. 1643 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,400 It is Barrymore. Yep, Penn and Teller got 3% of 1644 01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:31,360 the vote and he came up on stage and thanked everyone for being 1645 01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,440 so kind after a very tough year. And then says I don't want to go 1646 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:38,040 on too much about it because I've written a book about it and 1647 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,200 it's called the Good Pub Guide. It'll be out next year. 1648 01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,560 And and there we go. And then that was the end of the 1649 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:46,000 awards. Do you? 1650 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,640 Remember that in that particular category in later years, there 1651 01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:53,040 was a recurring gag about Willoughby Channel 5. 1652 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,880 The The winds are invariably it was Night Fever. 1653 01:34:55,880 --> 01:35:01,320 That was their nomination for Best Entertainment Show. 1654 01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:06,960 And yeah, whatever the sucks of our scoop it and our glorious 1655 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:15,560 victory. I think it's, it's, it's, it's 1656 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,240 a, it's a real moment in time. You know, it's not going to get 1657 01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,560 that year again. And, and in point of Frank, when 1658 01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,160 you look at what happened before and after, there was a great 1659 01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:29,880 deal of change early on. So lifetime achievement, for 1660 01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,680 instance, we'll look at that because we were looking at 1661 01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,840 Spike. Now, if you bear in mind that 1662 01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,360 Eric Sykes had already had his. Presented Presented to him by 1663 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,120 Spike. Indeed, that's right, wasn't it? 1664 01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:44,400 I remember that. Yeah. 1665 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:51,960 Ken Dodd had got his, and then Spike and June Whitfield got 1666 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:54,520 theirs in 94. The following year was Bob 1667 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,120 Monkhouse. Yep. 1668 01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:00,280 Then Dave Allen, then Stanley Baxter. 1669 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:07,080 Dame Thora Heard got hers in 98. There was a double header in 99 1670 01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:12,440 for Barry Humphries and the two Ronnies, and then they went into 1671 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,760 maybe in a slightly different direction, but Alan Bennett got 1672 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,360 one in 2000, Dave and Jason and David. 1673 01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,840 Jason practically won everything from the early days. 1674 01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:27,480 Some of the details there, Michael Palin in 2002 and 1675 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,720 another writing double for 2003, Jimmy Perry and David Croft. 1676 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,280 Oh, OK. Then the Writers Guild of Great 1677 01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:38,320 Britain's Special Award, which was another award which started 1678 01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:42,840 in 2006, in 2006 was presented to Jonathan Ross. 1679 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,680 Now, except for the Writers Guild of Great Britain's special 1680 01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:54,160 award goes to Jonathan Ross. Wow, that's that's a lot of 1681 01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:57,320 heavy lifting. Eating itself by that point. 1682 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:00,880 Yeah, I would have thought so. That really that conversation 1683 01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,200 just brought it all back. It just like it's it's just 1684 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,600 like, you know, being transported back to a time when 1685 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,040 you knew any night of the week there was going to be a brand a 1686 01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,320 new comedy to enjoy. You know, the one The One Show 1687 01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,920 that didn't get mentioned there. And again, I suspect it just 1688 01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,600 came a little bit too late for any nominations because it 1689 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,880 started, I think, in the the autumn of 94, The Fast Show. 1690 01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,920 Yes, I thought that myself. Absolutely. 1691 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:27,960 Yeah. I'm presuming that would have 1692 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,120 done really well in in 94 and so on. 1693 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,600 Yeah, yeah. But. 1694 01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,560 And also notice no category for for panel shows. 1695 01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,040 No, I'm just because I'm I'm racking my brains trying to 1696 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,280 remember when they think it's all over began and I think it 1697 01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:45,320 might have been 95. You would have had How I Got 1698 01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,920 News for You started in 90? What? 1699 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,400 Was that one called It's only TV but I like it or something? 1700 01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:51,720 That was that was a good bit later. 1701 01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,040 I think it was 99. Buzz Cox. 1702 01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:59,120 Of course, Buzz Cox. Was maybe was at 96 maybe and 1703 01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,440 you had other ones. If I ruled the world. 1704 01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,560 That was a good that was that was a bit later, wasn't that I 1705 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:05,600 was 98. Yeah, yeah. 1706 01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,800 Do you remember the Brain Train? I think we only did one series 1707 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,280 and it was Kevin Dave that hosted that. 1708 01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:15,280 I think it was 9293, I suppose. But yeah, that that is that is 1709 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,360 surprising that they weren't quite as sort of ubiquitous as 1710 01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:22,040 they as they later were. And I don't know if even now I 1711 01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:25,240 think maybe we've slightly peaked with those, but there was 1712 01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:29,160 a point where like if we have a bloody programme, you know, was 1713 01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:31,720 seemed to be a comedy based panel through at one time. 1714 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:33,840 Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. 1715 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,040 And probably even those who know instead of too expensive. 1716 01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,840 Yeah. Any any final thoughts about 1717 01:38:44,440 --> 01:38:47,880 these awards in general or that year or so? 1718 01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,880 The one I think the one thing, if I had bold in 94 into like 1719 01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:55,680 just one second thing, I think it would have been Chris 1720 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,400 Morris's Radio One show. Because that was just, I'm so 1721 01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,800 annoyed that I missed the the Heseltine episode. 1722 01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:06,040 I was years later that I ended up hearing that on cooking Bond 1723 01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:10,960 recordings. Yeah, that was just used to 1724 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,240 record them. Just listen to them endlessly. 1725 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:21,200 And that was you could do stuff then that that on on the biggest 1726 01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:25,080 radio station in the UK. I know that they were always 1727 01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,480 different in the evenings and they had more sort of, you know, 1728 01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:28,920 niche programming and what have you. 1729 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:35,000 But still the most astonishing actually is for all the fact 1730 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,440 that he was on at 9:00 at night most of that run. 1731 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,800 And I think it was Wednesday nights and you've got your 1732 01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,400 specialist programming, you know, evening session and so on 1733 01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:49,560 and so on. They gave him two hours on 1734 01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:55,760 Boxing Day at 1:00 in the day to do it to the show that year. 1735 01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,280 And the one of the first things he said, it was a because he'd 1736 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,000 already done this gag earlier in the year. 1737 01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,160 But not, not it wasn't noticed by anybody. 1738 01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:10,320 But he did think the gag about Jimmy Savile drops dead at Stoke 1739 01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:14,800 Mandeville's Boxing Day. Bash, but the patients are far 1740 01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,720 from unhappy. I don't know where the hell he 1741 01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,480 got this quote from this guy saying yeah, the general 1742 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,640 consensus was that people were delighted that he was dead and 1743 01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,560 just it was a pity that he lived as long as he did. 1744 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:32,000 I got into the the newspapers and people ringing up Savile 1745 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,240 saying that you're right because it's just hit them saying. 1746 01:40:37,480 --> 01:40:38,840 He was ahead of the game, wasn't he? 1747 01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:40,320 Yeah, absolutely. Yes. 1748 01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:44,280 But yeah, Oh God, just so much stuff going on. 1749 01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,480 I don't know how it kept up with it all because I didn't have a 1750 01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:47,880 video recorder. I didn't. 1751 01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:49,840 We had a video recorder on the House, but I didn't have access 1752 01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,880 to 11 at that time. I was watching, oh, pretty much 1753 01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,560 all of that stuff that year. I watched on a black and white 1754 01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,880 portable. God. 1755 01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:04,600 Yeah, because we're absolutely. You'd been so you're seven born. 1756 01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,320 Seven. I was 7/17 that year, still 1757 01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:08,600 living at home. Yeah. 1758 01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:13,040 And we're absolutely potless. And so we'd actually flogged our 1759 01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,040 little portable call TV, amongst other things, a year before. 1760 01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,080 So everything was watched and was like ATV that we'd had for 1761 01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:24,280 like, well over 10 years. But you, you just you, you admit 1762 01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,080 the most of it. And you just, yeah, you absorbed 1763 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,640 everything that you could, you could get a hold of. 1764 01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:35,200 And you just dart around the schedules and firearm Radio 4 at 1765 01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,840 night, they'd have comedies on at 11:00 and all this kind of 1766 01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,680 stuff. And of course, like we spoke 1767 01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,600 about before you get a VHS night, you know, you watch it 1768 01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:47,560 literally frame by frame. You can recite every single line 1769 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,000 and a number of times you would have seen it so. 1770 01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,480 Can I, can I just leave you with one final? 1771 01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:59,280 Got it about this year and, and and what I think is a stinking 1772 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,760 omission from the nominees. It should have. 1773 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:07,000 It should have at least, maybe even received an award just on 1774 01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:14,040 its own. Yes, 1994 BBC. 1775 01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:15,960 Yeah, sitcom. Yeah. 1776 01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:17,640 Honey. For tea. 1777 01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:22,760 Oh, this of course. This was the year of honey for 1778 01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,200 tea and the House of Windsor. Yes. 1779 01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:28,200 Fantastic. Two atrocious, bloody sitcoms, 1780 01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,680 both of them Leslie Phillips. Great. 1781 01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:34,040 The Old Course. Mother's ruined. 1782 01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:35,360 That was this year as well. This. 1783 01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:36,280 Ruined. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1784 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,880 But didn't that get a bloody nomination? 1785 01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:40,880 For God's sake, I should have swept the board. 1786 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:45,560 You know, we, we laughed at them. 1787 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:46,520 Well, we didn't laugh at them then. 1788 01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:49,800 Yeah, hold on. Yeah, they're not laughing now, 1789 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:54,640 are they? It's a fascinating moment in 1790 01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,080 time. I must, I must admit. 1791 01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,120 It's a long watch, but it's a fascinating moment in time. 1792 01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,560 Thanks to John and Gary. John, as I said earlier, at the 1793 01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,600 top of the show, he hosts the brilliant Behind the Stunts 1794 01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,120 podcast. Search for Behind the Stunts. 1795 01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:14,680 Or if you still persevere with Twixter, he's at Stunts Central. 1796 01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,400 Gary is 1/2 of the Sitcom Club, which has been a bit quiet 1797 01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,320 lately, but I've heard mutterings that there could be 1798 01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:25,200 some new content of one shape or another coming soon again at the 1799 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:30,520 Sitcom Club on Elon's Hell site. OK, well that's it for the show 1800 01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:32,320 this week. If you enjoyed it, please let us 1801 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,960 know. This was probably the most 1802 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,640 complicated and tough to put together, but I loved every 1803 01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,320 minute of it and would really like to hear what you listeners 1804 01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:44,240 think. So I'll leave you with the man 1805 01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:49,120 with the the, the, the the silken voice of the man who more 1806 01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,160 or less dominated the 1994 Comedy Awards. 1807 01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,800 He was out of his seat more than anyone else there, I think, and 1808 01:43:55,800 --> 01:44:00,280 took home an armful of the prestigious clear plastic bricks 1809 01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:04,640 with playing cards in them. Michael Barrymore, see you next 1810 01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,320 week. Better to do my thank yous. 1811 01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:11,480 Dear Marcus Plantum, who's the head of ITV Network. 1812 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:16,040 I am writing this to you and I hope that you will read it while 1813 01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,120 you may. My heart goes in a flutter and 1814 01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:23,560 my agent starts to stutter every time you make me work in this 1815 01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,760 place. I guess I'm just another act of 1816 01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:36,160 yours you made me make. More I didn't want to do them 1817 01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,000 but. You put me through them. 1818 01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:45,920 I want to show that's new. Yes, I do. 1819 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:53,200 You know I do. You know it's true what I asked 1820 01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:56,400 for. You know the BBC will love it 1821 01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,000 and they'll pay more you.