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Milan. 10 minutes shall we? 
Meet yes. 

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Now darling. 
We're somewhere where no one is.

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Listening another place home 
service 8:30 Tuesday night. 

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You mean the Forbidden goon 
sector? 

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Yes. 
Hello and welcome to Green Pod 

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this week. 
We're talking about the January 

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1955 goon show episode 1985, 
which was based on the 1954 BBC,

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television version of George 
Orwell's, novel 1984. 

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Hope you still with me, my guest
this week is Sean Gaffney and he

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comes from Cheshire. 
Cheshire Connecticut. 

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That is yep. 
Another American can't keep them

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away. 
It seems. 

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So I started off by breaking the
ice with Sean by asking him what

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he remembers about the actual 
year 1985. 

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Well, I was 12 and that is 
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discovered the gun show actually
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Show because I think most 
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goons via Peter and Spike on. 
Puppet show. 

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Uh-huh, yeah, you'd 1985 or so I
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doing what I frequently did as a
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going to other towns libraries 
to see if they had books that my

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towns Library did not have and I
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my town and I spotted a copy of 
the Goon show scripts. 

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Hmm. 
And to show that I was young and

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had no. 
Idea what it was my first 

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thought on looking at it was 
somebody's drawn all over this 

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book. 
Yeah, suck it up. 

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I can imagine what you might 
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Yeah, but I I knew it was a 
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but I didn't really know 
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but I loved the script and 
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was in high school that I found 
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our local bookstores, okay? 
So, so what you're saying is you

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didn't get into I mean, I knew 
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discovered it if you'd only 
because my dad will because, you

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know, I was brought up in a 
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being played on the radio and 
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many, many years and most of my 
guests being British, you know, 

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they they grew up, they 
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parents very often or just 
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because sellers seek Him and 
Milligan were sort of 

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omnipresent. 
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Whereas right. 
I'd heard of Peter Sellers um 

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but Spike and in particularly 
hairy are not all that. 

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Well known and benteen is 
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Yeah, so yeah, I but the BBC in 
the 80, the late 80s was really 

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hammering in a lot of their 
stuff into America. 

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Mmm, that's when you'd walk in 
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Back at her and red dwarf and 
python of course. 

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And they also started putting 
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cassettes. 
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And I think the first one I got,
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it turned out had misread it and
I'd got Volume 11. 

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So that would have been the 
string robberies. 

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Oh Rose, who was the string, 
robberies, you first goon 

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Shepherd string of robberies 
with the first moon show I heard

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and which, you know, it's not a 
great gun show, but on the other

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hand, my first exposure. 
ER to echolls is the Good King 

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Wenceslas, which is a fantastic 
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Yeah, I've got a list somewhere 
of just down about 10 doing 

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shows that I considered would be
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for newbies. 
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string of robberies on that my 
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I always suggest as the, you 
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the fully The flea is excellent.
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suggest lurgy strikes Britain 
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a lot of the things you see 
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It's the first time great pipe 
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fleece Nettie. 
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favorite, which is the Sahara 
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is probably nobody else's 
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everything about it. 
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because, you know, I used to 
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on a loop. 
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four years. 
When I was in my game, you go, 

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you go through phases. 
I had a big goon period in high 

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school and college because when 
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I found spikes War Memoirs. 
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But you know and then you get on
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come back to it, that sort of 
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And did you try to introduce any
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sort of family? 
Members I did well my mom sort 

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of tolerates the Goon show but I
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Several of my friends. 
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show, I entered. 
I actually I introduced a couple

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of them with tapes of 1985 and 
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Hmm. 
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Sands probably was a better 
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Jack train because of course, as
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Has a few entry-level problems. 
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the most topical goon show 
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particularly, to the new 
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entertainment, and this is why 
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transcription Services, correct.
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The the to I think that the for 
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by transcription because they 
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the to 1985. 
Tiddlywinks which was of course 

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based very much around a goon 
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bushy spawn which was also based
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event. 
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I love that show. 

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I don't. 
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because, I don't know, Amy 
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And I'm just like, who is this 
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And why should I care? 
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though. 
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first heard it because Tie. 
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that I heard because I got a 
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didn't know about the news event
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I didn't have no idea about 
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I just like the fact that yes he
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kind of wrong footing. 
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script. 
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I come on. 
It will kill you and bring you 

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on. 
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And I said that. 
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Then you're on your own with us.
You're on there? 

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Yes. 
Would you like then? 

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Shall I suffer? 
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Well, we prompt you say now, mr.
I'll give a cube. 

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So, what about this man? 
Who is the master? 

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Who is the master and your come 
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It's a good have good Heavens. 
It's the master a he Matthews. 

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Who is the master of the 
cottage? 

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Yes, they will say, who's the 
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didn't Belong To Me 
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the UK with my dad and that was 
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London and in Belfast. 
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the HMV Oxford Street and I 
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1985 and shifting Sands. 
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So clearly, I went back to my 
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asked to use the Hi-Fi and I 
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sort of steeped in the goons one
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1985 that, I just didn't 
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hadn't read 1984. 
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know what I mean in terms of the
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way am I had read? 
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school, right? 
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remember just finding it 
incredibly scary. 

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Cushing version, in fact, I 
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But yeah, I think I've heard a 
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script for 1985 is particularly 
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You know. 
It doesn't stray off the way the

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Goon show normally does because 
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such a specific thing that he 
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Hmm. 
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you think about it nice and 
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drama 1984 was broadcast on the 
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And then it was restaged. 
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But then, the the goons version,
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January 1955, so that was 
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you've been on television, and 
they were referencing an even 

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earlier, two weeks earlier for 
OG had greenslade in response to

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seek them. 
Say yes big brother. 

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Yes he does. 
Is he does he cause the Goon 

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when 1984 came out? 
It was not only wildly popular, 

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but also wildly controversial. 
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There were a lot of people 
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was simply. 
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television and also politically 
Dynamite I think. 

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calm down a bit when they found 
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Philip like this, the girls were
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because the week before and the 
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some Churchill Impressions, 
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But this particular one Which 
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which was edited out when the 
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then put back in by Ted Kendall 
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That Churchill said that he had 
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Post World War Two and then 
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left Churchill with a lot of egg
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So the goons making fun of this 
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and they basically I asked the 
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Churchill Impressions, which was
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this case of the missing are, 
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Churchill impression and then 
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different voice thing. 
Prime minister and says, don't 

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you read the papers? 
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about this particular episode? 
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the most The most topical. 
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that that appeals to me, I've 
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been the sort who you've heard 
people say don't explain the 

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joke. 
Well, I'm nothing like that. 

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I want the joke explain to me, 
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And even when I was a kid as one
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grew up with, when I was a kid 
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And when you watch the Warner 
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you know, classic cartoons like 
baseball bugs, ending with what 

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is not only a reference, to 
Rochester from The Jack Benny 

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show, but an obscure reference 
with one of his catchphrases 

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that nobody remembers anymore 
and you're like, what is going 

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on here? 
Why is that the final punch line

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to this fantastic cartoon? 
So you'll look into it. 

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And of course, In the old days, 
you you couldn't get the answer,

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there was no internet that you 
couldn't exactly look this up 

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in, you know encyclopedias you 
wouldn't even know where to 

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begin and it's the same with the
Goon show. 

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I mean you start off with 
mimeographed you know typed out 

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things or you know what, Roger 
will Mets companion? 

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And then maybe we get on the 
internet in the 90s and their 

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assault fan goons on Usenet. 
I was there. 

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Yeah. 
And the gun show forum and 

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eventually, with the Advent of, 
you know, Wikipedia and 

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particularly the Goon show 
preservation, society's 

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encyclopedia Guna. 
Cos we're now at a point where 

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we can figure out many of these,
you know, obscure, well, we 

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mentioned CD plates a few weeks 
earlier, which turned out to be 

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a very specific reference that 
when, if you listen to the show,

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it didn't sound specific at all.
It just sounded like Spike being

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Silly. 
But in terms of the Goon show, I

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think the first time that I ever
heard the gun show and really 

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wanted to figure out, what is 
that reference was, was better. 

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Putting her lie because better 
putting hurler is an X. 

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Also, an excellent introduction 
to the goons. 

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And one of the few shows that 
did not have a cut version 

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released initially, like either 
a transcription services or pick

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of the goons version. 
And so, you're listening along, 

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many and Henry are being silly, 
and they asked, who could 

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possibly be carrying a gas stove
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And many says, lady Docker. 
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And I'm like, I'm sorry who 
that's was I? 

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prints. 
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I didn't pick up on, but you 
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I think there's a, there's a, 
there's a lovely little, there's

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a lovely feeling of satisfaction
that there should be a word for 

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it, but there isn't a specific 
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for years, I had no idea what 
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people on the gun show forum and
they They weren't quite sure and

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it's only, you know, it's only 
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connected and the other one that
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early. 
I don't get this was from 

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Napoleon's piano towards the 
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and which is another almost 
every goon show. 

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Almost all of them have some 
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Yes, yeah, yeah, I didn't know 
what broeckel was for the 

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longest time. 
Yeah. 

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And, I mean, even even the, the 
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contemporary. 

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Everything. 
I thought you've done a show on 

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that. 
That's right. 

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Yeah. 
This there's so many that even 

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though there are, you know, a 
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events and that they do have 
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and there peppered into it. 
It doesn't detract from the 

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enjoyment of the show. 
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the Obscure references because 
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try a little bit harder, work a 
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Yeah, or when they throw in the 
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sir Ian. 
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and Jacob, and that sort of 
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sort of advanced studies in 
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in that. 
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whole show parody of 1984. 
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was happening in the news at the
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getting set up. 
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were making, you know, overtures
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to do. 
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started at the time that this 
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very much in the news and there 
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the radio people would leave for
ITV because there would be money

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there. 
Yes. 

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Now it starts at either the week
before the week after Napoleon's

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piano went out and I already 
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episode of Napoleon's piano and 
it was contemporaneous That. 

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Yeah, you get a lot of. 
You got a lot of references to 

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that. 
Including what is it, Maurice? 

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When it came the the band leader
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that was trying to buy up the 
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did not actually do it turned 
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so it went to someone else. 
You Americans you call the 

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Maurice. 
It's Morris. 

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It's Morris in the Goon show. 
He is Horace minich. 

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And in the remade episode of 
1985 is. 

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What is he? 
Then he's, he's all right, 

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Murray's winning Stein, Morris 
Winnick Stein. 

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Yeah, which and and sellers is 
very clearly doing a variation 

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of his Lou voice, yes, there. 
Which I don't know if Morris 

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when Nick was Jewish. 
I suspect probably not. 

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I think it was just an excuse 
for sellers to do the voice 

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this. 
Don't believe it. 

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Listen, BBC workers rise and 
overthrow your Masters before 

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it's too late. 
I will lead you against them 

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strike. 
Now Revolt yeah Amorous when it 

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gets mentioned in a one or two 
other goon shows. 

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I know he's mentioned in. 
I was Monty's treble. 

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Another fantastic gun show. 
Yeah yeah but so should we teach

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we sort of talked about the 
beginning of the show so there's

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this introduction. 
You've got work, a seagoing, 

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which Is what's his number? 
He's eight. 

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Four six, eight, four, six. 
Winston's see going. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
And he's a worker in the great 

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news collecting center of the 
Big Brother Corporation aka the 

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BBC. 
Now, George Orwell had worked 

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for the BBC and I was not not 
fond of it. 

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Yeah. 
So I don't know whether Milligan

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knew that or it was just a nice,
you know, it's honestly one of 

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those things where I think 
people even people reading 1984 

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at the time when See, big 
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connection. 
It's one of those things that 

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looks obvious in hindsight. 
Yeah, and it was obviously of 

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great opportunity for well, we 
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Eric ants and Spike. 
Although it's hard to tell 

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because I know they kind of 
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In terms of script writing a lot
of the times, I'm not quite sure

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whether this one was sort of 
heavily Spike or heavily. 

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Eric, do you have any sense? 
I seem to recall as Eric saying 

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something like he tended to keep
the structure. 

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I love the the plot so to speak 
and and Spike was spiked, but 

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obviously was a great idea. 
It was a great idea to parody 

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1984 and to center it around the
BBC, because it was a great 

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opportunity to get lots of digs 
into contemporary shows and 

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personalities. 
Yes. 

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And which is, of course, most of
1985 revolves around 

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contemporary BBC. 
Radio either as punch lines or 

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just as personalities. 
And I think it's impressive that

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even today the shape of the show
is still funny. 

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Even if you don't get everything
it's still a very funny show. 

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Well this is this Misfit not 
he's obviously sellers doing is 

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I guess Cynthia voice. 
It's not. 

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Yeah, it's sort of a variation 
on Cynthia. 

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That's not quite as sexy. 
So to speak. 

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Is yes. 
He's Slightly slightly more 

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Prim. 
So you've got you've got her and

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she's a central character and 
then she just disappears. 

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Not will never walk the streets 
again, why not? 

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She's bought a scooter but the 
weird thing about this and you 

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know appreciate what sort of 
data, get head here, but in the 

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first in the in the first 
version, so the the version show

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15 or Series 5, You've got the 
antique shop and you have worker

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Siegen entering the antique shop
and meeting a character that you

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at first think is crumb, but 
it's not a crumb. 

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It's later current. 
Yes, I mention this on Twitter 

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because evenly the album cover 
of 1985 had it as the antique 

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shop is being on bike run, but 
it's from sellers is voice is 

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changed as the show went on its 
most notable with blue bottle. 

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And with crun and also spiked 
with Moriarty is the most 

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obvious and the crun that 
sellers did for season 3. 

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I'm guessing we don't have any 
season 3 season 3 to seize 

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series 3-2. 
Series 5 is slightly higher 

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pitched. 
Yes. 

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And starting in Series 6, it's 
slightly lower pitch so that he 

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contrasts more with mini. 
Yeah, but even so I know what 

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you're saying but the the 
antique show, Shop owner who's 

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their take on? 
Yeah, Jerry, he doesn't have too

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many of crumbs usual. 
Crun isms, so to speak. 

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I think it's definitely meant to
because there is an antique shop

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owner in 1984. 
If Peter Cushing talks to who, 

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of course, like everyone else 
in, 1984 turns out to be working

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for Big Brother secretly and 
that scene was in fact, one of 

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the more memorable, from what I 
understand from 1984, on had At 

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the antique shop owner was 
played by Leonard Sox, who was 

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in yes, many other things. 
Anything special? 

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I can get. 
You know, just thought I'd look 

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in as I was passing. 
Perhaps it's just as well. 

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I don't suppose I could have 
satisfied your between 

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ourselves, the antique trades. 
Finished now demand has stopped 

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then attach China little where 
to album, Broken a formal. 

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Sit-down, what's this 
paperweight? 

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Thank you. 
Yeah, let it sucks. 

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Most famous probably today or 
even if he still remembered as 

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being the sort of like the MC on
a show called the good old days.

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Good evening, ladies and 
gentlemen, heads harmoniously 

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homogenized, I'm sorry. 
Alvin jar of Highland hilarities

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means Scottish jokes, and I 
remember him as one of the 

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Bruce's from Doctor Who. 
Okay? 

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Yeah, so so the antique shop 
owner, if we will call them 

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crumb for shorthand but I just 
wonder why why Sal has opted to 

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to modify the voice like you 
did. 

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It's just, it's just a bit 
curious and obviously men he's 

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not in it. 
Either. 

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Well, many was there is a script
of 1985 that with that is part 

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of the encyclopedia gunas. 
They have most of the yeah 

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original strips and you can see 
some of the cutscenes and there 

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were quite a few cut in 1985 
including many in the canteen, 

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serving food, or rather saying 
that there is no food and 

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William shows up there too. 
Right. 

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Okay, okay, it bleep. 
Also turns out quite early on in

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this doesn't use well, he does 
and he doesn't get Applause, 

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which is, I think it might be 
one of the last times he doesn't

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get Applause. 
Yeah, he does in the second. 

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He doesn't the second episode, 
but he has to sort of yes to ask

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for it, doesn't he? 
Yes. 

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When we, when we meet Blue 
Bottle, it's one of the most 

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borderline racy scenes ever in 
the Goons. 

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I suppose in the sense that he's
he's reading what's essentially 

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a pornographic novel approved 
BBC pornography. 

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Yes. 
And of course it and of course, 

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it's mrs. 
Dale's diary because it's as I 

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have been listening to more and 
more British comedy contemporary

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or modern, I think. 
Mrs. Dale's diary is the most 

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made fun of BBC Radio program 
ever. 

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Well, not the arches. 
The Archer is yes, but the 

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archers, I think there is an 
undertone of affection. 

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Everyone loves the Archer is 
even as they make fun of it. 

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I don't think there are many 
people who love mrs. 

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Dale's diary. 
No, nice. 

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Have you ever listened to any 
episodes? 

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Well, I say it's a soap opera. 
I mean I started to but it's 

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kind of boring. 
Oh goes it is, yeah, it's I know

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the theme both which actually 
this is not the first time that 

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the theme for mrs. 
Dale's diary has appeared in the

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Gun show, because one of the 
early series four episodes that 

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actually survives Echols has 
killed and heaven heaven. 

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Is the the harp from mrs. 
Dale's diary? 

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Yeah, I think I've heard 10 to 
bits of it anyway in the past 

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and my understanding of mr. 
Dale's diary. 

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That it was extremely precise 
aook and the the sort of 

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highlights were Mrs Dell going 
out to scrub a front step or 

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trim the Hedge. 
Or go and get a pound of 

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sausages from The Butchers and 
it's that level of right, which 

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is which is why the the parody 
that blue bottle is reading is, 

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you know, so it's so tame, you 
know, yes, and bleep, all tools,

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the serious layering and all 
that's so wonderful and so 

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disgusting. 
It's rare that you could 

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actually hear drool running down
the chin and there. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So getting back to the beginning

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of the show. 
So so we meet work to see goon 

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and they have the the daily. 
What do they call it? 

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The hate hate half hour, which 
is, which is straight from 1984 

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that was part of the parade. 
I watched and you actually see 

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them standing there. 
Hey, hey hey. 

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Yes. 
Yeah yeah yeah and then see goon

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is Matt bye well it's great 
Point thin but he is playing a 

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character called Ronnie Waldman.
Tell me about Ronnie Waldman. 

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Ronnie Waldman was not a 
character Ronnie Waldman was a 

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real person. 
Ronnie was a he hosted Monday 

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night at 8:00 which was a very 
popular BBC Radio Show and he 

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also was part of a TV series 
called kaleidoscope. 

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Which was hosted by McDonald's 
oublie, and also had a Leslie 

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Welch. 
The memory man who was on every 

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single BBC, show from 1951 to 
1955, as far as I can tell and 

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Tony Hancock, right? 
So when Waldman it, when grid 

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pipe is like, what is the finest
television program in the world 

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Kaleidoscope? 
You know it's basically Siegel 

447
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,000
and sucking up yes. 
Grip pipes in as Ronnie Waldman 

448
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:23,500
is the the goons equivalent. 
Of O'Brien from 1984, right? 

449
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,800
Who is posing as a member of 
this case? 

450
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,300
The ITA. 
But then turns out to portray 

451
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,800
Siegen, which is, of course, all
but grid paper would have been 

452
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,200
doing anyway. 
So very little out of character 

453
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600
there. 
That's also where we get one of 

454
00:29:40,608 --> 00:29:44,200
the first things that I really 
didn't get, which was Wilfred 

455
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,800
pickles. 
He was just, he was full 

456
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,900
overline, stood entertainment in
the 50s. 

457
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,300
Have a go. 
Go. 

458
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,300
And what was the other asked? 
Pickles was his TV, which is 

459
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,800
why? 
Yeah, it since it's 1985 Siegel 

460
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,600
and says son of pickles. 
Yes, it's interesting. 

461
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,800
The we know that it was wildly 
popular. 

462
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,300
It is literally the only gun 
show that popular demand had 

463
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:14,000
them redo it but the studio 
audience doesn't seem as into 

464
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,700
it. 
No, no, the Dom, the joke that 

465
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,500
goes over best with them. 
One of the few contemporary 

466
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:26,700
jokes that I got because it's 
very clear in how the crun 

467
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:30,100
character tells it that, what 
happened? 

468
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,000
This own object? 
That is beautiful, isn't it? 

469
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,100
It's called a cricket bat. 
Yes. 

470
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,900
Did they have test matches way 
back? 

471
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,600
Yes, that's right. 
Yeah, measure, big. 

472
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,400
This bed was used in the very 
last test by Len Hutton. 

473
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:55,400
You can see it's quite unmarked.
They love that probably because 

474
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,200
they had literally happened. 
I think the week that, that was 

475
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,300
recorded. 
Yeah, I remember when I first 

476
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:04,900
heard this not, I didn't know 
who Len Hutton was, but I got 

477
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,800
the gag because of the context. 
I worked it. 

478
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,900
I worked it out essentially. 
So they have the hate half hour 

479
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,200
and that's where we see her ass 
minich, who is leader of the 

480
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,500
ITA? 
It's around this point that 

481
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:23,300
seeking City hates big brother 
and he meets Miss fan art for 

482
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:26,800
the first time. 
Who's extremely forward in the 

483
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,900
sense that she's the first lied 
to him. 

484
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,600
Is I love you? 
Yes. 

485
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,200
Well, she does, operate the 
pornographic machine and the 

486
00:31:34,208 --> 00:31:38,000
Forbidden records department. 
So, presumably, she's already a 

487
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,600
little head up. 
I'm amazed that that line made 

488
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,100
it in. 
There are a couple of lines 

489
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,100
built the pornographic machine 
and the anti-sex league belt. 

490
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,800
Yeah. 
That I suspect only made it in 

491
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,100
because they might have been 
part of the original. 84, I 

492
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,100
guess that the goons defense 
would be well you know, you've 

493
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,300
had this sort of thing on TV. 
Hello. 

494
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,900
Can we get the more possibly the
joke? 

495
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:03,200
That frustrated me the most 
though, is this right? 

496
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,300
Yeah, this is the weird one. 
I presume you talking about the 

497
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,200
been Lyin. 
Hello. 

498
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,500
Don't tell anybody but I hate 
baby too. 

499
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,400
Who you been Lyin? 
No I was but the script was 

500
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,500
altered, I am talking about the 
been Lyin joke which doesn't 

501
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:21,300
work in the first show, The 
Audience. 

502
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,000
Barely laughs so they tried to 
do it the original way in the 

503
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,100
second show and it still doesn't
work. 

504
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:32,700
Yeah it's a play on the baby 
Bebe Daniels right and I as an 

505
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,100
American I can tell you that I 
had no idea who been Lyin and 

506
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:40,000
Bebe Daniels were even They fan 
of old Hollywood. 

507
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,600
They pretty much went to 
Britain. 

508
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,900
I mean, yeah, yes. 
Oh, I don't know why sellers 

509
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:49,900
chose to do a Groucho voice? 
No, the clearly is meant to be a

510
00:32:49,908 --> 00:32:53,300
Groucho voice because siguen 
says, Karl Marx as in. 

511
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Yes Groucho. 
Yeah, we just out of Interest. 

512
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,700
I didn't I didn't check. 
Was did been lions and Bebe 

513
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,500
Daniels? 
Did they come over to the UK? 

514
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,800
Because of the HUAC? 
I don't think so. 

515
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,500
I think it was just coming over 
for work rather than Than for 

516
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,900
that. 
I don't I'll have to double 

517
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:11,800
check. 
I'm not sure. 

518
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,900
Okay. 
Okay. 

519
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,700
So we have Max geldray that we 
have oh don't don't pass up on 

520
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,100
Max geldray because I feel a 
need to jump in here at or you 

521
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,100
have trodden all over my 
favorite, musical acts, so many 

522
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,400
times before. 
I can't. 

523
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,100
First of all, I didn't have the 
LPS in America. 

524
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:33,400
In fact, the DMI shows which 
were released on LP, were some 

525
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,800
of the last I ever heard, right?
Because I didn't want to. 

526
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600
You're the shows without Max and
Ray. 

527
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:48,200
And so I regard, you know, the 
Goon show is comedy, yes, but 

528
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,600
it's also a variety show and I 
think that Maxim raised 

529
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,200
interludes help. 
Offset the comedy give you a 

530
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,100
chance to relax you know, sort 
of reset the table so to speak. 

531
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:03,200
And I also think that they're 
fantastic. 

532
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,700
I mean they also play a lot of 
contemporary songs. 

533
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:09,600
I mean as will here with this 
one I mean Shake Rattle and Roll

534
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,900
was in the chart. 
I think when Ray did it. 

535
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,199
Yep. 
And I love the music. 

536
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:22,199
The first to Emi shows I heard I
got the head of the u.s. gun 

537
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:29,400
show fan club dick. 
Baker would dub cassettes of 

538
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,500
some of the Emi shows that aired
on on radio for radio. 

539
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:34,900
Seven. 
Something like that. 

540
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,100
Yeah. 
And send them out for people. 

541
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:41,500
So the first do I heard we're 
trying to story and It's 

542
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:45,199
Charlie's in search of an 
author, which became another one

543
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,900
of my absolute favorites, 
because I wanted to hear those 

544
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:51,800
with the music because in 
particular China story not only 

545
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,400
has Max and Ray but also has a 
Delta Springs. 

546
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,900
Yeah, absolutely. 
I mean, yeah, I have had people 

547
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,200
on who have admitted to as I did
occasionally. 

548
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,700
When I was foolish, youth 
admitted to skipping Ray, and a 

549
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:10,600
tray and Max, but I've become of
warm to them a lot more ways of 

550
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,300
God. 
During distant again, both of 

551
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:23,000
them are integral to the show. 
I have pleasure in presenting 

552
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,700
those glamorous grandmother's 
the three beverage sisters 

553
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,100
correction the Beverly twin Miss
Beverly were saying everybody 

554
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:37,300
done, seeking arrives at the 
Grosvenor hotel and we what's 

555
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:42,700
your awareness of any of the 
Beverly sisters I mean I assumed

556
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:45,500
they were the same as the Andrew
sisters which actually turns out

557
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:48,200
to be true. 
Yeah I was surprised they all 

558
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,000
got killed off given their real 
likes performing sisters. 

559
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,700
I was like that was rather mean 
if the gun show I think they had

560
00:35:55,700 --> 00:36:01,100
a reputation for being a 
third-rate Andrew sisters, kind 

561
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:05,400
of. 
Yeah well I mean this was the 

562
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,000
50s was, shall we say not the 
best time for British music? 

563
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,600
I mean, when you when you hear 
Elvis and think we need our own 

564
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,900
Elvis and come up with Tommy 
Steele. 

565
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:23,000
Yeah, something is wrong. 
Eccles going in and out of 

566
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000
doors, is a recurring theme in 
the yes. 

567
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,700
You've got the Echols and see 
goon and nut scene and then 

568
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,100
you've got the extended chat 
with the decals and blue bottle 

569
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,000
which is always lovely. 
Yes II. 

570
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,800
One of my favorite lines is 
where Blue Bottle says, I'm a 

571
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,500
man of mystery. 
Yes Yeah, he talks about seeing 

572
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,700
his sister's washing on the 
line. 

573
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:50,200
They're both such a distance. 
A bit Blue Bottle was sort of D 

574
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,300
Aging in series 5 because if you
listen to earlier, shows like 

575
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,000
like greatest mountain in the 
world and some other extant 

576
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,700
series for shows, he's still 
sort of split bustle. 

577
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,600
Yes, he's still meant to be an 
adult but starting around Series

578
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,000
5 I think is when Spike gets the
image of him as a Boy Scout. 

579
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,600
Well, yeah, because Then the 
starlings, he's essentially 

580
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,400
playing an adult his name. 
Yeah. 

581
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:17,800
But but yes, then you're 
absolutely right. 

582
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,300
Then from Series 5 onwards, yes,
he is D. 

583
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:26,000
Aged he's this, he's this 
adolescent of indeterminate age.

584
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:28,900
I've had some people sort of 
think that he was about, fuck. 

585
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,200
He's meant to be five years old 
but he's a lot older than that. 

586
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,000
No, I'd say he's 12 or 13, 
maybe. 

587
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:37,200
Hmm, he's dead. 
Hubert, he is hitting him. 

588
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:38,300
What's that? 
Gun show? 

589
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,600
I forget which one where he's 
talking about growing hairs on 

590
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,100
his legs. 
Nature is preparing me for 

591
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:49,600
marriage with the. 
Yeah, it's around this time, 

592
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,600
isn't it when? 
So you've got see, goon goes to 

593
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,200
the ITA or good goes to number 
ten, are you certain Street? 

594
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:02,600
And is met by runny Waldman who 
reveals that he is working for 

595
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:08,200
the ITA supposedly and is that 
great line where they drink and 

596
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,600
then smash their glasses in the 
fireplace? 

597
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,700
It's Egan has Borrow a spare 
pair to find his way home, yes. 

598
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,100
Which I have you seen the London
entertains? 

599
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:20,900
Clip of 1951 goons. 
Yes, they do something very 

600
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:25,000
similar. 
Yes, there's that there's a cut 

601
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,600
B, which probably very wisely 
cut, which is a lot more nasty 

602
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,000
towards the ITA are ITV. 
We're grid pipe says, in fact, 

603
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,300
anything that Joe public laps up
and rakes in the shekels is the 

604
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:41,500
property of ITA and I'm like 
that probably deserve to be 

605
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,100
Cuts. 
Yeah. 

606
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,500
Yes. 
They just thought that the ITV 

607
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:50,300
was going to be crass and 
commercially driven, which 

608
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:54,000
corset it was to a different 
was, but I don't think it was 

609
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,800
quite as bad as they thought. 
No. 

610
00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:03,800
Now so Room 101 is, is now, you 
know, it's such a common phrase.

611
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,400
Now it's become part of the 
yeah. 

612
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
And I think let's say you have 
a, you have a show. 

613
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,700
Where is it? 
Paul Merton. 

614
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,800
Yes. 
Yeah, so it was it was it began 

615
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,200
as a radio show, I think. 
And then Nick Hancock took it 

616
00:39:19,207 --> 00:39:22,000
onto TV, the TV version and then
pull motion took over. 

617
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,100
And it was, it was a great show.
It was back in the nineties and 

618
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,500
it was, it was essentially every
week, a celebrity would would 

619
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:33,100
come on and consigned to Room 
101, eight or nine things that 

620
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:37,500
he or she absolutely hated. 
And which is essentially what 

621
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,300
spike is doing here? 
Absolutely. 

622
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,800
And and so, yeah. 
Yeah, so seeking turns out to be

623
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,100
betrayed by Ronnie Waldman and 
is taken to the Listening Room. 

624
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,700
There was a torture, a line that
was cut that was in the original

625
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:57,500
script where sequences I won't 
talk and grid pipe says, can you

626
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,700
scream? 
Yes, that'll do. 

627
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,300
Which I think was probably the 
funniest gag that they cut. 

628
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,700
That would, that was quite good.
Although somewhat dark. 

629
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,100
Yeah. 
Yes. 

630
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:13,300
And it's so secret to torture 
consists of Theme songs from 

631
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,000
popular BBC, programmes at the 
time. 

632
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,100
Yep. 
We've already mentioned mrs. 

633
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:21,600
Dale's diary, which comes up and
we mentioned been lion, which of

634
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000
course the show was life with 
the Lions and then they had the 

635
00:40:25,008 --> 00:40:27,500
script. 
The script said the Archer is in

636
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,200
place of life with the Lions and
that would have gone over my 

637
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,700
head to, I mainly know the 
Archer is these days due to 

638
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:37,900
people talking about it on 
Twitter because I think it's 

639
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:39,800
still going. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

640
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,400
Still very popular as far as I 
know. 

641
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,900
And I remember the first I heard
of it, I must have been reading 

642
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:48,000
some Doctor Who nonfiction book 
or something, and they talked 

643
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,200
about the death of Grace archer 
in 1950. 

644
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:57,800
Something as being one of the 
iconic events of that decade. 

645
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:58,500
Yeah. 
No. 

646
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:02,100
That was 55 and I've got a 
feeling I need to check, but 

647
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,800
I've got a feeling that the 
death of Grace Archer was in 

648
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:11,600
response to ITV, starting Even 
though I was on the radio, I've 

649
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,300
got a feeling that it was the 
BBC trying to pull out all the 

650
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:18,300
stops to overshadow it 
overshadow ITV. 

651
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,500
Yeah. 
Well it with the Archers theme 

652
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:24,100
does get played on a game show. 
Try to remember which one I 

653
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:28,800
think is that the Spanish 
suitcase I know, I'm not 

654
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,900
precisely sure. 
It's that dented and identity. 

655
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:34,700
Yeah, the one yeah, it was it 
the one where they're all Welsh 

656
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,300
is that the thing on the 
mountain I don't think so. 

657
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:42,400
I think it's more well known 
because I honestly mid series a 

658
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,200
is sort of the nadir of the good
is because it is yeah. 

659
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,600
Willmott I think at it correct 
when he said that they should 

660
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,400
not have been doing this and the
Vintage goons at the same time 

661
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:54,600
it just exhausted them. 
Yeah. 

662
00:41:54,900 --> 00:42:00,100
Usually vintage guns doesn't do 
it for me for one thing. 

663
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,300
It going a bit off topic, there 
are some contemporary references

664
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,200
that are some of my absolute 
favorites in series 4. 

665
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:10,900
That are cut for vintage goons 
and I'm very bitter about that. 

666
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:15,300
I know the missing prime 
minister, my favorite joke is 

667
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:19,100
when William is gagged with it 
with a hand towel and Nettie 

668
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,200
says, the initials WC must mean 
Winston Churchill. 

669
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:23,500
I hope so. 
Yeah. 

670
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,000
And they cut that for vintage 
goons for obvious reasons. 

671
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,400
I even as an American kid, I 
knew what w cement. 

672
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,400
Yeah. 
And the other one is from the 

673
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,100
greatest mountain in the world 
which is the series for one is 

674
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:41,600
another one. 
The scene with crun and Nettie 

675
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,000
and Eccles and Ray and the mole 
is might be in my top five goon 

676
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,500
show scenes ever and there's a 
wonderful bit where the mole 

677
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,500
comes with a note and Henry 
reads it out and it's like you 

678
00:42:56,508 --> 00:43:00,200
know to to Britain with a with 
love from our Pals, the 

679
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:06,100
Egyptians yes, which was cut 
from vintage goons again for 

680
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:10,900
obvious reason. 
Here is the moon. 

681
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:12,000
Oh yeah. 
Look at him. 

682
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,700
He must be hungry. 
Yes, he had boy, he is a nice 

683
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:21,000
room for you. 
Thanks anymore, you idiot axles 

684
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:30,200
that was for the lawyer. 
I say are you are you sure? 

685
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:34,000
He's a mole, Kathy them. 
Oh look, here's the letter with 

686
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,500
love to our dear British, 
friends from your parents. 

687
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,300
The Egyptian there. 
Hmm. 

688
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,400
If you don't believe me read the
label around its neck is proved 

689
00:43:49,700 --> 00:44:08,700
it says L i0n and I mul L IO. 
Well, what does it say? 

690
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,000
Silly man? 
You Ellington. 

691
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:35,600
Do you think it's a liar? 
Yeah, a vintage jeans. 

692
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,200
It's absolutely great. 
I remember always being a bit 

693
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,900
down on it when I when I listen 
to it, when I was a kid and I 

694
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:47,400
don't know why, because they 
were strong scripts, more or 

695
00:44:47,408 --> 00:44:49,700
less. 
They were I have issues 

696
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:54,500
sometimes with with Moriarty. 
I have some issues, same issues 

697
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:58,800
I have with series 9. 
I get that Moriarty, as sort of 

698
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,400
that cringing, you know, wreck 
is funny. 

699
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,500
Yeah, but I have I have two 
issues with it first. 

700
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:07,500
I I have trouble understanding 
Spike. 

701
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:11,400
Yeah, when he is when he is 
doing later, Moriarty, as 

702
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,700
sometimes, he's just completely 
unintelligible to me. 

703
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,500
And the secondly, I think 
sometimes I particularly have 

704
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:22,000
this problem with Dishonored. 
Again I have always said that I 

705
00:45:22,008 --> 00:45:24,900
will die on the hill that I 
think Dishonored from Series 5 

706
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:29,400
is better than Dishonored again 
from series 9 right II, may be 

707
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,500
the only one who thinks that but
there's a great gag where 

708
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:39,600
Moriarty steps out and Walks 
into the light and it's one of 

709
00:45:39,607 --> 00:45:43,200
those where I think it works 
better with the Suave sensible 

710
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,800
Moriarty than I think it does 
with a Moriarty who would have 

711
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,100
walked into a Lamppost anyway. 
Anyway, getting back to 1985 the

712
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:57,700
two references that I only got 
like this year where the huh 

713
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:02,700
gets and also SE bond is a bond,
is compared to Echols and I 

714
00:46:02,707 --> 00:46:04,300
guess he was a yiddishe 
comedian. 

715
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Yeah, I think so. 
And I've watched him on YouTube,

716
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,900
he's nothing whatsoever, like 
Eccles, so no, but but, but 

717
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:15,300
millions of people around the 
world have seen his face. 

718
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:18,500
You've seen his face. 
You've seen his face. 

719
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:22,100
Many, many many times really. 
Yeah. 

720
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,400
I'll give you a clue The 
Beatles. 

721
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,800
Oh, is he an search and pepper? 
He's on searching pepper. 

722
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,700
Ah he's one of the figures on 
the Sergeant Pepper album. 

723
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:40,700
I think Ringo chose him. 
As Lee is if we're inclusion. 

724
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:42,000
I'm not quite sure. 
Why. 

725
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:46,500
Well, that was the other thing 
is, when I was in college and I 

726
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:50,900
first heard because I was, I was
late to music and then I sort of

727
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:54,400
jumped into the deep end. 
So I was essentially listening 

728
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,800
to all the music at once and so 
I was listening to one of the 

729
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,900
Beatles past Master albums and 
it had you know my name look up 

730
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:03,100
the number. 
Yeah and I'm listening to it and

731
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:06,700
all of a sudden I'm like is that
John talking like blue bottle or

732
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:10,800
is that Peter Sellers? 
And if know it was Lenin doing a

733
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,400
bluebottle impression but the 
next the next bit is perhaps the

734
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,800
reason I wanted to come onto 
wooden pod, okay, as it is a 

735
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,500
series of dense references that 
get a lot of big laughs and are 

736
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:29,400
quite funny but I they do 
revolve around one punch line 

737
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,000
and that punch line is. 
It's funny because Ray Ellington

738
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,600
is black. 
Yeah, now I spiked did this 

739
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,200
punch line. 
An awful lot throughout the gun 

740
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,400
show, which, I mean credit, 
despite because I've watched a 

741
00:47:43,408 --> 00:47:46,800
lot of Looney Tunes, he doesn't 
really go for the, you know, 

742
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,300
lazier race or stupid 
caricatures. 

743
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,400
Hmm. 
If he's, if he's trotting this 

744
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600
out it is for one reason alone. 
It's funny because this is 

745
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,300
somebody that you would think 
would be English or Scottish or 

746
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:02,500
Irish, or obviously white played
by Rail and yeah. 

747
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:07,300
And the joke here is that he is 
playing Barbara Kelley who was 

748
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:11,500
actually Canadian But she 
emigrated to Britain with her 

749
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,600
husband, who was Bernhard 
Braden, who had a lot of shows 

750
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,900
in the 50s. 
Yeah, and Barbara Kelley was on.

751
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,700
What's My Line, which is 
referenced here and it's the 

752
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:27,300
reference. 
Oh, by the way, sorry to cut in 

753
00:48:27,308 --> 00:48:31,900
there, I'm pretty sure that 
Maurice Winnick boat the format 

754
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,600
of What's My Line and brought it
to British television. 

755
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,200
Oh he did. 
He was involved with What's My 

756
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,200
Line? 
In some capacity act because the

757
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,500
gun show, of course, later did 
their own parody of What's My 

758
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:45,700
Line. 
Although, that was a lot that 

759
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,800
started as the parody, and then 
sort of went somewhere else has 

760
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,500
to 1985. 
Yeah. 

761
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:55,500
Anyway, and there is a, you 
know, what's your line color 

762
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:57,800
television, which again, I think
is another. 

763
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,700
It's funny because Ray Ellington
is black. 

764
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,400
Yeah, because the BBC didn't 
even have color television until

765
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,800
1967. 
So I think it's color. 

766
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Yes. 
And then he says, Like back on 

767
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,200
the old flying wire, which I 
guessed was Peter Pan. 

768
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,400
And it turned out. 
I was correct. 

769
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,700
It turned out that about a month
before this was recorded, 

770
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:23,200
Barbara Kelley was doing a Pento
of Peter Pan, right? 

771
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:27,500
Then Ray leaves and sequence. 
As it must be terrible on 

772
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:31,000
bedtime with Brayden, which was 
hosted by Barbara Kelley and 

773
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,800
Bernhard Braden. 
You might want to put the clip 

774
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,400
in here, I will lie on the 
couch. 

775
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:40,200
We think it's a great 
Improvement. 

776
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:43,900
It must be terrible at bedtime 
with Brayden. 

777
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:52,300
Well, it gets dark early in 
Canada which is very clever and 

778
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:57,700
also racist. 
Yeah, so it's just a lot all in 

779
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:03,500
a row and I so much of it is 
just what to, you know, 

780
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:06,400
Americans or even the modern 
British people, who probably 

781
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
don't know who burned her braids
and her Barbara Kelley are Two 

782
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,600
months ago. 
I got a copy of jetstorm, which 

783
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:20,600
is a 1959 film, which is like, 
an ensemble piece. 

784
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,400
Yes. 
Yeah, it's fun. 

785
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,900
But I think let's from that 
bunch of famous faces and it's 

786
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:31,100
set on the set on a plane, and 
there's a, there's a saboteur on

787
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:34,100
the plane played by, I think it 
was, Richard, Attenborough 

788
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:37,600
memory serves. 
See comes in it, but he doesn't 

789
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,400
really. 
Have anything to do with the 

790
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,300
plot as such he just sat next 
to. 

791
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:47,200
I think it's Dame Sybil 
Thorndike and but the 

792
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,900
interesting thing about that is 
that two of the other passengers

793
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:54,600
are Bernhard Braden and Barbara 
Kelley and they see themselves 

794
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,500
are the characters. 
I think they're just characters,

795
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:01,200
but they suspend the whole 
flight, the whole film playing 

796
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:04,600
chess and not really adding 
anything to it. 

797
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,100
So I don't know why they were in
Cloud that that period in both 

798
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:09,500
Hollywood. 
And Britain. 

799
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,000
There were a lot of movies which
are basically. 

800
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:16,800
Let's have as many famous people
as possible in the film. 

801
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:21,000
Yeah, I'm thinking of it's a mad
mad, mad, mad world, that sort 

802
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,500
of thing. 
Yes, now I have a question for 

803
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,800
you that you may not know based 
on one of the jokes, coming up, 

804
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,800
how heavy was Harry cecum? 
At the time, the gun show was 

805
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,500
being done. 
Willie Sutton wasn't 20 stone, I

806
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:42,600
don't but I don't think I don't 
think he was 420 which is what 

807
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:49,200
the the previous one was 20 
stone is 280 pounds and 30 Stone

808
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,200
I think is 420. 
Yeah I know that he was I know 

809
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,000
that he lost five Stone in the 
80s because he said so in one of

810
00:51:57,008 --> 00:52:01,000
his biographies well yeah to his
doctor told him that he had to 

811
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,000
otherwise Be dead. 
Yeah, I think I think He piled 

812
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,100
on the weight in the 70s and 
then he had to lose it. 

813
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,800
I don't think I think his weight
fluctuated in the 50s and 60s. 

814
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
I think it did and well, print 
the gun show basically regards 

815
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,700
him as this sort of short fat 
ball. 

816
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:22,600
In fact it refers to every I 
think in Snag in the green slide

817
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,900
story refers to him as a little 
ball of fat. 

818
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,800
Which I mean obviously is done 
with you know, C comes, you know

819
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,200
taller. 
Since but it is rather 

820
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,600
interesting, he made. 
He made fun of his bait as much 

821
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,900
as Spike did. 
I think it was part of his 

822
00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:40,900
character. 
Yeah, I don't think, I think the

823
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:43,700
pretty wasn't that much between 
him and Peter Sellers terms of 

824
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:45,000
weight. 
Yeah. 

825
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,700
Peter also fluctuated. 
And then we get this one. 

826
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,200
This one people might get the 
wrong answer grid, pipe decides 

827
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,900
to leave the torture to Moriarty
and blue bottle and goes out to 

828
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:05,800
get a saxophone lesson from 
Davidson and now it's not the 

829
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,000
more modern Jim Davidson. 
It's the BBC dance band, 

830
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,700
conductor Jim Davidson, it 
wasn't a family Entertainer. 

831
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:17,600
Jim Davidson that we all know 
and love or not these days. 

832
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,800
Can you take over for Bruce 
Forsyth? 

833
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,100
Yeah, he did. 
And he was on the generation 

834
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:26,200
game and then he was, he posted 
a snooker based game show called

835
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,600
Big Break, which I watch, 
because I like snooker, you 

836
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,400
know, not because I like Jim 
Davidson, but Jim Davidson was 

837
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,300
born about 1953. 
I think. 

838
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:43,200
So he'd have been one year. 
Old one year old Anyway, then we

839
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,600
get what is essentially a 
standard Blue Bottle series 5 

840
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:53,800
scene, where though, there is 
some nice meta humor here. 

841
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,300
Where sequences don't you 
remember me? 

842
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:58,300
I'm your friend. 
And little says, yes, you're the

843
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:03,400
one who Dead's me every week 
showing that well, the Lagoon 

844
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,400
show always played fast and 
loose with continuity. 

845
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,100
Sometimes they remembered each 
other sometimes. 

846
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,000
They didn't. 
Hmm. 

847
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,500
And this is I think really a bit
weird. 

848
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,700
Spike is winking at the camera 
to show that bluebottle 

849
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:18,100
remembers all of his various. 
Well, I mean the whole point of 

850
00:54:18,107 --> 00:54:20,000
that stick is you have deaded me
again. 

851
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,900
So blue, bottle remembers the 
various times. 

852
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,000
He's been killed but is quite 
happy to jump in again in the 

853
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,300
next show. 
Yes. 

854
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,600
Yeah, that said there's another 
gag. 

855
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,600
That doesn't really work here. 
I mean the audience laughs but 

856
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,200
they don't laugh because the gag
they laugh because Blue Bottle 

857
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,000
is blown up and that's that. 
Blue bottle is running away to a

858
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,200
missile. 
Nuclear missile testing range? 

859
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,900
Yeah, I don't think that's made 
clear in the original at all. 

860
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:51,300
No. 
And in the revised version they 

861
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:53,100
changed. 
Are they re-recorded version? 

862
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,900
They changed it to the woomer 
testing range. 

863
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,900
Yeah, which also I don't think 
really worked either. 

864
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,100
Now, does he say in the first 
one, to see saying Nevada 

865
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,500
desert? 
He doesn't he says, in the 

866
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:09,400
middle of the desert but he's 
clearly flying to America and 

867
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,800
then going to the desert. 
So, if If he's going anywhere, 

868
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,200
it's going to be there. 
Yeah. 

869
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,700
But it's not funny because he's 
blown up by a nuclear weapon. 

870
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:20,200
It's funny because he ran away 
from the explosion and it still 

871
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,100
blew him up. 
Yeah. 

872
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:25,800
Yeah. 
And then we get, what is 

873
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:29,700
probably the final obscure 
reference and indeed the final 

874
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:34,700
gag where Horace Minnick 
announces that he has taken over

875
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:40,800
the BBC and they are debuting 
their first of their brand-new 

876
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,300
Ita. 
G and it turns out to be raised 

877
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:49,700
the laughs, yes, I II think, you
know, this because you follow my

878
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:53,100
Twitter feed, but I have 
recently spent 19 hours 

879
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:55,700
listening to calling all forces.
It's right. 

880
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,500
Yeah. 
Which is a BBC variety show that

881
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:04,000
Ted Ray hosted about four years 
before this gun show. 

882
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,000
Yeah and one of the episodes in 
fact, featured Peter Sellers 

883
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:12,200
essentially. 
Doing a goon show with all the 

884
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,200
voices, he was doing a blood 
knocks kit. 

885
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:20,100
I don't know if he wrote, I 
don't know if it was written by 

886
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:25,500
Peter, or by Spike or by Bob 
monkhouse, who was the main 

887
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,000
writer? 
He and Dennis Goodwin, were the 

888
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,600
main writers for calling all 
forces? 

889
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,200
I think what, who might cast 
gets a mention in the show as 

890
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,200
well, isn't it? 
Yes, he does along with Charlie 

891
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,600
Chester who also appeared on 
calling all forces. 

892
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,100
Yeah, Charlie chest, he was a 
lousy comedian. 

893
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:43,900
And by all accounts, well 
calling all forces was sort of 

894
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:49,100
filled with those, but they're 
he basically does a mini gun 

895
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:51,700
shows get where he's blood knock
and he's also split muscle. 

896
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:55,300
This is a this aired in early, 
nineteen fifty two. 

897
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:59,000
So it's a good opportunity to 
hear a very early, her knees 

898
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,000
butt. 
Muscle choice in much better. 

899
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,300
Quality than the to extant gun 
shows. 

900
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:05,800
We have that feature it. 
Yeah. 

901
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,100
And mostly what I was struck 
with, bye. 

902
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,300
Listening to all these shows. 
First of all form up for all 

903
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:19,400
that the Goon show and spiked 
mock variety programs all the 

904
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,100
time as well as Vaudeville. 
You know, with the I say I say 

905
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,300
get off the stage that sort of 
thing, I think they have 

906
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:31,300
affection for it as well. 
It's sort of its like, you know,

907
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:34,100
Frank Zappa making fun of 
doo-wop while also being very 

908
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:38,000
fond of it. 
Mmm, but I listening to Ted Ray,

909
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:40,200
he is very much the British Jack
Benny. 

910
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,300
I've actually thought he was 
quite good in calling all 

911
00:57:43,300 --> 00:57:46,300
forces, particularly compared to
some of the comics. 

912
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:50,800
They brought on Ted real busy. 
Peter worked with him on razor 

913
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,300
love, right? 
He was a huge mental to sellers,

914
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,000
I think he took Alex Ellis said 
the pretty much taught him 

915
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,800
everything about timing. 
It D, it Steam, for raised a 

916
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:05,700
laugh is used as the, the 
example of the brand-new ITA 

917
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:09,200
show which is to say everything 
old is new again, and, of 

918
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,200
course, seagoing regards, it is 
continued torture. 

919
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:18,900
Yeah, and as, as it plays out, 
you hear them here, the cast 

920
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:24,900
shouting hate, hate hate again 
and then you get crazy Rhythm 

921
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,100
which was after well, after the 
Goon gallop Which was their 

922
00:58:30,700 --> 00:58:34,800
guns. 
Gallup was their theme song for 

923
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,600
most of the first half of the 
Goon show like about mid Series 

924
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,800
6 and crazy Rhythm. 
Which I it was funny because I 

925
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,200
first heard it and I thought 
I've heard this before but I 

926
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,800
don't know where and I assumed 
it was just some jazz 

927
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,700
compilation and it turned out it
was a looney tune. 

928
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:56,000
It was on one of the mid 50's 
shorts Pizzicato, pussycat with 

929
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,800
Sylvester boom. 
Which was basically They sort of

930
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,800
an air sets Tom and Jerry that 
Warner Brothers was doing but 

931
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,500
he's chasing the mouse and 
towards the end the mouse and 

932
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:11,200
Sylvester get in the piano and 
start accidentally playing 

933
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:26,100
racing rhythm. 
I'm going to call the Press. 

934
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,600
Hello. 
Is this gonna do? 

935
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,200
You don't We're not gonna go 
through that again. 

936
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:38,700
But crazy Rhythm was very 
popular at the time, I mean, it 

937
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:43,200
was the gun show. 
Music number sort of alternated 

938
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,300
between contemporary stuff like 
framed or Shake Rattle and Roll.

939
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,600
Yeah. 
And what were called The 

940
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,700
Evergreens, which was stuff from
the late 20s early 30s. 

941
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,300
But They did a lot of those, 
whenever they're mentioning the 

942
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:04,800
desert song that that straight 
from that period. 

943
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:10,400
Doesn't that comes up in the 
Sahara Desert statue. 

944
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,100
It absolutely does the long-lost
number eight touring company of 

945
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,600
the Desert Song. 
That's it. 

946
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,300
Um yeah and eventually as I said
this did not come out and 

947
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:26,700
transcription services. 
So basically the BBC would have 

948
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,400
transcription Services record, 
their own copy of the show for 

949
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,000
overseas broadcasts which was 
fortuitous because frequently, 

950
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,500
the BBC would then wipe the 
tape. 

951
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,300
Yeah and all you'd have left. 
Transcription services. 

952
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,900
And so they would make some 
minor Cuts. 

953
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:44,900
Usually they would cut crazy 
Rhythm and occasionally they 

954
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:47,800
would cut contemporary 
references like say lady Docker 

955
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:52,100
and that sort of thing. 
And they would they released 

956
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:55,200
about a hundred and eight of 
those. 

957
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,500
Hmm. 
And then they did a thing a few 

958
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:02,100
years later called pick of the 
goons where they cut them even 

959
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,400
more so that they could fit in 
commercials. 

960
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:09,100
Yeah, and They release that and 
those were the ones, The Pick of

961
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,100
the goons ones. 
Were the ones that were first 

962
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:17,200
released on cassette back. 
When the BBC first started, not 

963
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,600
the Emi versions, when the BBC 
started putting out the Goon 

964
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,500
shows on a regular basis. 
I don't know whether that's the 

965
01:01:23,508 --> 01:01:26,800
case in Britain. 
Certainly in America, the First 

966
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:33,200
and the first Napoleon's piano, 
I heard did not have The it was 

967
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,900
missing scenes like Moriarty 
calling up to the air service 

968
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:38,200
and asking about the weather was
cut and, you know, various 

969
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,000
things. 
And then when I got the CD of 

970
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:46,300
goon show Classics to later, I 
was surprised to find all these 

971
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:48,500
extra material and that's when I
first heard of this. 

972
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:52,900
No, I think, I think the BBC 
releases in the UK and that I 

973
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:59,300
got more or less. 
Well, they weren't The Pick of 

974
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:02,100
the goons versions. 
Anyway, I don't think it would 

975
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,900
not surprise me that they, they 
put out something in America 

976
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:06,600
where they just said, grab this 
off the shelf. 

977
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:14,500
Yeah, but anyway, and eventually
1985, as we mentioned was ones, 

978
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:19,700
basically, there were a bunch of
transcription Services rejects. 

979
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:23,700
We talked about the Contemporary
ones, they also did not pick 

980
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,000
ones that they already had a 
different version of so you 

981
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,800
don't have Hastings flyer or one
of the China stories or the 

982
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,100
better man who never Was. 
Mmm. 

983
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,400
That was surprised me because 
they're like, well, we have the 

984
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,300
season 6 version and I'm like, 
oh, they also left out spawn. 

985
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:41,500
And who is pink oboe? 
Probably because they did not 

986
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:46,400
have hairy or Peter. 
I want to say they left out the 

987
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,100
Lost year. 
Did they do that? 

988
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,600
They don't think so. 
There were a few that did not 

989
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,800
get transcription services but 
they did get pick of the goons. 

990
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,400
There were about eight that did 
not get one, but God the other 

991
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,000
it was very weird. 
And I think last year may have 

992
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,000
been one of those because then 
there were the not chosen, 

993
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,800
because they were never 
broadcast, the six vintage Dunes

994
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,400
that didn't air, until like the 
80s or 90s. 

995
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,500
Yeah. 
And then there were the ones 

996
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:19,400
that were like this is to 
culturally insensitive for us to

997
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,300
really edit a way, which is Fred
to Manchu the rate of the great 

998
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:26,800
International Christmas pudding,
which is filled with African 

999
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,500
caricatures, the Red Fort view, 
white Nettie, The white Nettie 

1000
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:35,500
trade and the battle of spion 
kop. 

1001
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,300
The Chinese legs. 
No Chinese legs with there. 

1002
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,900
And so, is China story. 
So frequently, it didn't, I 

1003
01:03:42,908 --> 01:03:46,000
mean, if China story is there 
but Fred the terrible revenge of

1004
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,100
red food, and chew, isn't, you 
get the sense. 

1005
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:52,400
A lot of this is somebody 
noticed it at the time but did 

1006
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,300
not Chase it down further. 
Yeah, it's interesting. 

1007
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:58,000
I mean there wasn't the Red Fort
one of the Emi shows that went 

1008
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,100
out on LP. 
It was, it was one of those. 

1009
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,000
It was The very best the goons 
which was the manufactured 

1010
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,900
stereo effect on it and the 
other one missing is Operation 

1011
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,500
Christmas Duff, possibly. 
Because I think they thought 

1012
01:04:10,500 --> 01:04:14,800
that was a special show 
transcription Services. 

1013
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:19,600
It's interesting in terms of the
censorship but frequently I 

1014
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:24,500
think people think that it's 
more they cut out the dirty 

1015
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:27,400
humor and a lot of the times. 
If you look at the scripts, it's

1016
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,300
more. 
They cut this out because they 

1017
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,400
could make an edit. 
That would save a couple of S, 

1018
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,100
right? 
Yeah, the show was 1985 when it 

1019
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:38,000
went out was so well received 
that they did. 

1020
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,200
A remake. 
What four or five weeks later. 

1021
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:45,500
Yeah, as the 20th, in the series
isn't a, the original was the 

1022
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:49,100
15th, the version that I've 
listened to, which is on the 

1023
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:55,200
Goon, show compendium is a sort 
of like it's a mismatch of 

1024
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,500
different recordings. 
Well, I think that the the 

1025
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:02,500
second version doesn't exist in 
the be DC archives and I think 

1026
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:09,700
had to there is a very poor 
quality audience recording of it

1027
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,000
where you can tell because Max 
is playing a different number. 

1028
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,800
Ray does Shake Rattle and Roll 
again but Max does a different 

1029
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:22,900
number And I think that Ted 
probably Ted Kendall who does 

1030
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:27,600
the Restorations, I think that 
he may have had to put in bits 

1031
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,000
from the original for the second
when he just could not get it up

1032
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,900
to audio quality, right? 
Possibly. 

1033
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:39,000
Yeah, yeah. 
But the the second version is 

1034
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000
more or less word for word the 
same. 

1035
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,500
Although there's little 
differences actually Mira's 

1036
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:49,700
Winnick Stein. 
Deadline Joker's actually as as 

1037
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:53,100
it was in the script and you get
a rare appearance of Peter eaten

1038
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:54,800
on Mike. 
Yeah. 

1039
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,100
Now what I wonder what idea I 
was wondering about why that 

1040
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:01,800
would because it was greenslade.
Originally I was wondering that 

1041
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,200
myself. 
I mean green light is clearly 

1042
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,400
there. 
Yeah the BBC would like to call 

1043
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,500
him parent. 
This program is unsuitable for 

1044
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:12,600
the very young, the very old, 
the middle age. 

1045
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Those just going off those on 
the turn, young dogs Oldham. 

1046
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:21,200
And John snag and a certain big 
brother who's just turned it in.

1047
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,400
And they also, of course, I had 
John snag doing the pre-recorded

1048
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:31,300
Big Brother line. 
See ya, which which would have 

1049
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:34,700
made sense. 
I think they probably wants to 

1050
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,100
first time around. 
He just, I guess he wasn't 

1051
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:41,500
available then. 
Yes and descriptive. 1985 also 

1052
01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:44,000
mentions the continuity 
announcer saying that Harry is 

1053
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,400
appearing in Cinderella at the 
Hippodrome theater in Coventry, 

1054
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:50,600
which is not on any version. 
We have though, it does remind 

1055
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,300
you that most of the time they 
Were recording these and then 

1056
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:57,200
they were immediately off all 
over the country to do. 

1057
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:59,600
You know, appearance is in the 
theater. 

1058
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,400
Totally. 
Yeah, for everyone. 

1059
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,400
But Spike was bike. 
Went back to his tiny little 

1060
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,400
flat to write another gun show. 
Yes. 

1061
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,600
So there we go. 
So it's a fantastic show. 

1062
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,500
Absolutely not one that you 
would play to a first-time 

1063
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:17,500
listener, but it's still. 
It's an amazing show to unpick 

1064
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:20,200
it really is. 
It's one of my favorites. 

1065
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,600
For, I get that now. 
And now I can see why they 

1066
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:23,700
allowed. 
Yes. 

1067
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,300
The other thing I wanted to say 
is a bunch of interesting. 

1068
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,500
Ting. 
Tidbits from this. 

1069
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:32,000
I also saw on the website that 
the sequence of Mars. 

1070
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:37,600
Oh yes, which I, which is also 
doing sort of doing what I just 

1071
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,000
did, which is going through the 
various shows of series five and

1072
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,400
six and picking them apart for 
contemporary stuff. 

1073
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,800
And so I recommend that people 
who want more information on 

1074
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,500
that sort of thing, check out 
that site. 

1075
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:54,300
And definitely also check out 
become a member of the Goon show

1076
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:59,100
preservation Society. 
Yes, You haven't already and get

1077
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,300
the new encyclopedia gunas, 
which is supposed to be 

1078
01:08:01,308 --> 01:08:03,900
monstrously huge this time 
around. 

1079
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:08,400
Yes, which I will be doing 
imminently for you. 

1080
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,900
Have said this many times it's 
for a very modest subscription 

1081
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:15,500
fee. 
You get access to that, you get 

1082
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:21,600
quarterly newsletter and lots 
of, you know, access to lots of 

1083
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,200
information and they have events
or obviously, with covid there's

1084
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,399
been a restriction or a 
reduction in In events, but they

1085
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:35,399
will be happening again. 
And yeah, if I I can be found on

1086
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,600
Twitter, not usually talking 
about the Doom show, but I do, 

1087
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,300
occasionally talk about the gun 
show. 

1088
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:44,899
I my, my Twitter tends to be 
brought in a various topics, 

1089
01:08:44,899 --> 01:08:48,500
but, yeah. 
And you were sort of like an 

1090
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,800
anime. 
Yeah. 

1091
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,700
I have a, I have a Blog where I 
review Japanese manga and light 

1092
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:59,200
novels, which is sort of my, my 
secondary Non-paying job. 

1093
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:02,100
Yeah. 
And so that but I also, you 

1094
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:04,200
know, I also talked about the 
Goon show a lot. 

1095
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,300
I talk about contemporary 
politics mmm-hmm and that sort 

1096
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:11,500
of thing. 
But yeah, you can find me there 

1097
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:15,600
as Toko Chan, and I think this 
has been a terrific show. 

1098
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,700
I always loved listening to it. 
Not sure whether I'll be able to

1099
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:22,600
listen to this one because it's 
difficulty of hearing yourself. 

1100
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,600
I don't know how you do it. 
Thanks again to Sean. 

1101
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,100
Thanks for listening. 
See you soon. 

1102
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,700
Bye. 
It is not enough to obey Big 

1103
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:35,399
Brother. 
You now know what is needed, 

1104
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:37,600
which is you must love.