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Good evening, officer. 
What's going on in there? 

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One of my men's having a little 
trouble with the lodger. 

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We need to bring it up too soon.
There's acting under orders I 

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take. 
Oh. 

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Yes, strictly under orders. 
What I mean to say is you can't 

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possibly disobey orders. 
Getting there that that would be

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very tricky. 
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suppose. 
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Well, can't stop here chatting 
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in at the station. 
Anything doing tonight? 

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Oh. 
Very quiet. 

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Well, he won't be such a popular
boy with the girls for a while. 

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Feeling better? 
Raddock. 

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Yes, but it doesn't solve 
anything, does it Sir? 

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But I feel better. 
The. 

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Hello and welcome to Goonpod, 
the podcast in which we discuss 

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goons and goon adjacent topics. 
And this week, for a change, I 

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thought we'd look at a film 
which became something of a 

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running gag in Spike Milligan's 
Q series. 

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We mention it frequently on 
Goonpod whenever this actor's 

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name comes up and as he was one 
of Peter Sellers best friends 

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and appeared in no less than 15 
films which Sellers also 

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appeared in. 
The first being orders are 

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orders in 1954 and the last 
being The Return of the Pink 

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Panther in 1975. 
With possibly his most prominent

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role in the doc brief in which 
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His name comes up a lot on Goon 
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films and TV shows and he pops 
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with previously covered such as 
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Magnificent 7 Deadly Sins, which
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Children and as I said, the 
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So I thought it would be nice to
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actor David Lodge. 
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and that's why we're talking 
about Cocktail Heroes this week,

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the film from 1955. 
And joining me is a first time 

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guest on Goonpod. 
I'm very, very excited. 

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Somebody who has dabbled in the 
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himself and is the host of the 
Cinematic Sausage Podcast, which

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is a which is a very edifying 
title for a podcast. 

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Warren, it's Warren Cummings. 
Hello. 

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Warren. 
Hello, dear listeners, and hello

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to you, Tyler. 
As you were saying, David Lodge,

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there is only one reaction you 
you can do when you say that 

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name, isn't it? 
Yeah, it's flex those muscles. 

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Yes, flex the muscle and say. 
I was in cockle show Heroes you.

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Know or he was in Cockle show 
Heroes yes, and we we've said 

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that line many a time on game 
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many times during conversations 
about all sorts of things right 

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the cinematic sausage podcast, 
which is a which is a a 

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occasional it's not it's not 
weekly. 

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It's not even monthly. 
I don't think it's. 

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It's more sort of when you can 
be asked. 

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I love that term, Yes. 
It's when. 

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You can be asked, I like that. 
I know there's certain people 

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who are listening. 
Listening to this now will be 

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wetting. 
Themselves laughing and he went 

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yeah, you've got his number 
haven't you? 

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Well, one thing I, one thing 
that I thought I knew I was 

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going to get on with this guy 
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listened to not all, but I have 
listened to some of, of some of 

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the episodes of, of Warren's 
podcast and he's talked about 

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some of my all time favorite 
films. 

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And, and I'm talking, I mean, 
the taking of Pelham 123. 

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What a film, what a movie. 
It's Trails are blowing that 

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movie, I always think. 
And yeah, it was ripe for a 

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remake, but remakes always say. 
But yeah, it's Robert Shaw, 

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isn't it? 
It's just everybody in that 

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film. 
Oh, and. 

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And and Robert Shaw, of course, 
of course, Ghazal tight. 

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And then that final, that final 
shot of Walter Bata's hug. 

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Ugly face. 
I want somebody to replace or to

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CGI deputy dog's face coming 
round the corner because that's 

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that's what it reminds me of. 
And then go whoa. 

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Yeah, if you've not seen the 
original taking palate 123, get 

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on to IT people. 
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classic. 
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with Stanley Baker, you've done 
the railway chill I mentioned 

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before and the amazing Mr. 
Blunden, which also has an 

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amazing turn by David Lodge as 
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kind of drunkard who's who's 
shacked up with Diana doors. 

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Yeah, I hope, I hope they didn't
sit there and go. 

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So who can we get to play this 
unintelligible mute that grunts?

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And it's a bit of a if I may use
the colonial a piss head. 

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Am I allowed to accept? 
Am I allowed to say a rude word?

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Yes, you are. 
Marvellous. 

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If not, please bleep me out. 
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He drinks a lot, grunts a lot 
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That is an amazing film. 
I came to that film, Wow, very 

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recently, in the last six years,
only because I, I remember it in

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my childhood very vaguely, you 
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as life. 
Smooshes by you and. 

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You're trying to grab hold of a 
a memory or two. 

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And I was listening to the talk 
radio LVC. 

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I was listening to Steve Allen 
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at Christmas and I went that 
that really sort of rings a 

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bell. 
And then the old tapping on the 

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keyboard bit of social media, 
few clips and it's, wow, it just

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jumped back at me and I said 
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That's the story of ghosts at 
Christmas time. 

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And it has had such a beautiful 
ending. 

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But yeah, it's a forgotten film 
most of the time. 

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Well, it is, but as with Railway
Children, which is which is 

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better remembered? 
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great Lionel Jeffries. 
Lionel Jeffrey. 

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I have I I'm so in awe of Lionel
Jeffrey that I've decided to 

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style my hair design on him. 
Really. 

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known specifically, you know, in
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good a comedic turn in the film,
isn't he? 

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I I'm thinking of long. 
I'm not long on the too many 

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crooks. 
Well, he was in wrong arm of the

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law. 
Wrong arm of the law. 

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Yes, two way stretch with Peter 
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Yeah. 
Dave Lodge turns up in in the 

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police officer roles quite a 
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Because he seems to be sort of 
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officious parts. 
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the carry on film, isn't he? 
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inspector in and, and it washed 
over my brain as I talk about 

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it. 
Well, it's carry on girls. 

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That's right. 
Carry on girls now he he has 

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appeared in more than 17 films 
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officer and I actually appeared 
on a as a guest on a podcast 

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about 7-8 years ago, completely 
unrelated before goon pod 

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talking about we were talking 
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which Dave Lodge plays a police 
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That was the premise of the 
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Very niche. 
It was a lot of fun to do and 

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and and and and what, Warren? 
Were you not yourself once a 

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member of the filth, as they 
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You ain't seen me right? 
I was. 

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I was serving Bobby for over 25 
years. 

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Oh, and and before, because I 
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name the the listeners of Goon 
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whatever device they're using to
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talked. 
We mentioned the amazing Mr. 

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Blunden and I, of course, passed
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child stars in it, although she 
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think, but she played a child. 
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And and of course, Lynn 
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Peter Sellers. 
Yeah. 

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He's part of that group, isn't 
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Is David of, of, of Sam Kidd, 
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Michael Ripper, that he appears 
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quite frequently that he's part 
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in the film and you go, I know 
that face. 

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Yeah, that's a regular face. 
That's in fact, it's quite a 

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reassuring face as well, because
I've never seen him give because

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he can. 
He can easily, easily go from 

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serious and quite an absorbent 
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bizarre as what would appear in 
a Spike Milligan sketch. 

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Yeah, oh, he's very, very 
versatile. 

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Oh, absolutely. 
Relic, Sir. 

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Got Lomas's gear ready for 
Captain Thompson? 

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He's going along as you're #2. 
Yes Sir, Stand by the surface. 

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Stand by the surface. 
Check main vents. 

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Open numbers one, 2-3 and five 
LP Master bloat. 

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Glad you're coming along Sir. 
Hope you enjoy the trip. 

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Thank you, Alan. 
We're now in launching position.

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We're going to start. 
OK. 

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Right. 
Open hatch up canoes. 

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Yeah, so the Cockle Show Heroes,
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in in the UK in November 1955. 
Is this the first time? 

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I'm sure it's not the first time
that you've seen this film. 

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No, I first saw this film in 
1982. 

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Very specific. 
With yes, and there's a 

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particular reason that with my 
late grandfather. 

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Right. 
It is one of the only war films 

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that he would watch for a bit 
about grand. 

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My grandfather was a Royal 
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War and him and his mate lied 
about their age. 

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Oh. 
God. 

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Yes, which is quite bizarre 
because his father did exactly 

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the same during the First World 
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His father survived the First 
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into the recruiting office and 
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went go away and come back when 
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tomorrow when I'm not working 
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Sergeant. 
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time and they ended up in the 
Army and he ended up going 

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towards being eventually in the 
Royal Marines. 

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And whilst he was in the the 
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statement at the Moral Marines 
Barracks Import Sea, also the 

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training ground for our cockle 
shell heroes. 

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And he did have contact with 
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This is all told to a rather 
excitable 12 year old sat after 

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the watching the film and he 
just shook his head and went 

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that's not what happened. 
It's a very good film he says, 

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but it's not what happened. 
And he said I knew them because 

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I used to travel in the lorry 
with them and I was their 

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military escort. 
Oh wow. 

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And when you're 12, you think 
it's exciting and you forget 

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about it. 
Yes. 

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As you get. 
Older memory sort of flood back 

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to you and you go, that was 
really important moment there. 

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But I wasn't old enough to 
appreciate it because if I knew 

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what I knew now, I would have 
been asking so many questions 

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because my grandfather didn't 
talk about his military service.

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And the fact that he'd fought in
a war was even more, you know, 

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as as 12 year old. 
It's exciting, isn't it, that 

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you've seen more films on the 
telly. 

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It must be like that. 
It must be like Clint Eastwood 

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and where eagles dare with the 
the gun that must have a million

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bullets in it shooting the 
shooting the Germans. 

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You're thinking, wow. 
And you know, it couldn't have 

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been that bad. 
Everyone drops down when they're

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shot and nobody gets blown to 
pieces. 

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And now as you move along, films
become more sophisticated and 

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then you see the real horrors. 
I think the closest we've ever 

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really got to appreciating the 
real horrors of of war being in 

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Saving Private Ryan as they 
storm D-Day, which is just just 

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amazing. 
I was, I lived in Hatfield at 

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the time that came out and 
Hatfield has an old aerodrome 

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and at the bottom of the 
aerodrome is where they set up 

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or the set for the destroyed 
French town at the end of the 

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film. 
That's right. 

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So they had. 
They had the, they had the 

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showing the, the, the actual 
premiere in Hatfield, at the 

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local cinema in Hatfield. 
And they invited a lot of 

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veterans to come along. 
And they were an absolute bits 

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at the beginning of the film 
because it was bringing so much 

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back. 
And you never sort of really 

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appreciate that until you see 
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Band of Brothers there as well. 
Oh, right, which is sort of sort

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of spin off from Private Ryan 
wasn't. 

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It. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So your grandfather was at the 
these barracks? 

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Is. 
Now the Royal Marines Museum. 

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OK. 
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but such is the way of things. 
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converted into into dwellings. 
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Marines Museum. 
It's worth it, I can assure you.

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It's fascinating. 
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is a gunnery, an old gunnery 
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the background of the film. 
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years, there'll be a load of 
monsters from Doctor Who called 

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Sea Devils coming out of the 
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Attack attacking that particular
gunnery. 

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God. 
Right. 

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OK, well, so this film is based 
on and like your your 

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grandfather said, it was a very,
very heavily fictionalized 

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version of what was known as 
Operation Frankton. 

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Operation Frankton. 
Yes, it was the idea of a 

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gentleman by the name of Herbert
Blondie. 

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Hassler Blondie, naturally, 
because of his hair. 

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But by the time he came round to
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War, most of his hair had 
receded. 

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So it's Herbert Baldy. 
Hold up, Baldy. 

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Yes, and of course when you put 
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So to go into action he had to 
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it's shone like mad. 
Born in Dublin in 1914, he was 

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absolutely fanatical about the 
sea. 

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He was drawn to the sea. 
He again he had grandparents who

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came from a fishing family, so 
he was told about how to survive

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on the sea, a boatman's life and
etcetera. 

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So. 
He used to get. 

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Here's a. 
Blast from the Past, a magazine 

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called Boyzone, and in there 
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a canoe. 
It was a very rudimentary plan 

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and I think it was only used as 
an illustration. 

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He took this illustration quite 
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canoe at the age of 10 and went 
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Really. 
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the sea and he during the Second
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gets fairly high up after going 
to office of school. 

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And earlier in 1942, there was 
Operation Jubilee. 

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Operation Jubilee was a raid on 
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initially going to be held by 
the held by the Canadians and a 

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handful of British soldiers to 
go in, raid the radar stations 

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there and obtain as much 
information on the coastal 

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defences of the area. 
Unfortunately they think we'll 

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send 6000 troops in. 
It won't be heavily guarded. 

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The Germans are probably be busy
doing something else and 

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unfortunately they walk into 
heavy resistance and over 60% of

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those troops are literally 
killed and it was a major 

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disaster. 
The Germans were going 

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cockahoot. 
Look, you can't come across 

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here. 
You can't come across that 

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little stretch of water. 
You're never going to come in 

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over here to Europe and liberate
Europe. 

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You're finished. 
You may as well pack it in and 

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surrender to us. 
And Churchill says we need some 

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ideas, we need some, we need 
some, even if they're stone 

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bunkers. 
Ideas. 

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We need some ideas. 
And somebody, they were going 

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through a list of ideas. 
How about sinking some shipping 

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in a French port using canoes? 
And they went that's. 

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Cheap. 
That's cheap. 

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We'll. 
Do it because we don't need lots

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of troops and we just need some 
canoes, so. 

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And they they nicknamed the 
canoes cockles. 

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Initially they were known as the
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they were painted green, 
horrible limey green colour, 

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local cockles. 
But when they had to do their 

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flip overs and flip back over 
again, I can't remember what the

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the technical term is. 
You're going to have people 

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screaming them you have no idea 
what to do when you're in a 

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canoe. 
No, I. 

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Drowned. 
There's a There's quite a 

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section of the listening 
audience that are keen 

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canoeists. 
I'm in so much. 

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Trouble, John. 
John Darwin being one of them. 

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Hi, John. 
OK, well thanks. 

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I'll get the coat and go. 
They used to say, well they look

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like cockle shells. 
And it stuck. 

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They were. 
They were known as cockle shells

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and so hence the name Cockle 
Shell heroes. 

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So they. 
Yeah. 

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In fact, I don't think in the 
film the word cockle, shell or 

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cockle comes up once, does it? 
I don't think it. 

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Doesn't cockles does yes, 
cockle. 

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They don't. 
I miss that. 

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They don't call them cockle 
shells. 

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No, they they call them cockles.
And basically they're they're 

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they're giving a secret title, a
secret title. 

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They are the Boom patrol boys. 
Basically they go out in their 

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boats and everybody thinks 
they're just checking submarine 

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Nets around Portsmouth Harbour. 
And every so often they put 

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their boats onto the back of a 
truck and then they drop them at

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the the mouth of the Thames and 
they paddle up the Thames to 

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Deptford against the tide. 
And they would put false 

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magnetic mines on the side of 
ships and come back again and 

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try not to get caught by the 
local Home Guard or the naval 

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defences because nine times out 
of 10 they didn't tell them they

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were coming. 
On several occasions they were 

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shot at. 
So it was a bit of a hazardous 

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bit of training. 
And this is where where my 

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grandfather comes into meeting 
them whenever they went off to 

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do bits and pieces. 
He was one of the office, one of

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the military soldiers that were 
sent to guard the trucks as they

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went along. 
So he'd sit in the cab of the 

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truck or he'd be sitting in the 
back. 

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In this case, he'd be sitting in
the back with them smoking and 

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chatting away. 
Obviously they're not going to 

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talk about what they're doing, 
but he'd be he'd be detailed to 

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look after them and he was 
detailed to look after them 

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until the day they left and they
didn't know where they went. 

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They just went off and he and he
never knew what happened and 

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what why they'd gone off. 
It wasn't till literally 18 

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months later he he realised that
they were involved in this 

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attack in Bordeaux. 
But they closer to home, of 

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course, there's AI live in 
Dorset or I live in Dorset and 

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there's a pub in Poole called 
the Cockle Shell, which is it's 

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now closed, unfortunately, very 
recently. 

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But it's named after them 
because really these are the 

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forerunners to the Special Boat 
Service, which is based on that 

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part of the South Coast of 
Britain. 

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But one of the other things they
used to do is to get them used 

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to coming into cross tides and 
strong currents. 

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As you come into Poole Harbour, 
a place called Sandbanks, 

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there's two currents that 
collide and it's quite bumpy. 

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And then they go in to the 
harbour at Poole. 

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And because they've been 
annoying the people so much at 

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Portsmouth and Deptford, they 
thought they'd go somewhere else

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to stick bombs on things. 
Unfortunately they got a little 

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bit mistaken because Pearl 
Harbour is also used as the 

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marine flying boat landing zone.
So they decided they were that 

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it would be really good if they 
go and try and put some bombs on

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the site, false bombs of course,
off the side of flying boats. 

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And they all got arrested and 
they all were in the Brig for 

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three days. 
Don't be Blimey. 

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Because they couldn't identify 
them. 

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Because none of them. 
Did did Churchill himself have 

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to make his way down there and 
formally identify them and. 

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Well, Blondie was in a very good
because in the film, they all go

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off to various places around the
country and they're told to get 

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back to headquarters however 
they can. 

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And that's the reflection of 
what happened there. 

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They they ended up getting 
arrested. 

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Yeah, OK. 
There is a lot of artistic 

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license within the film. 
Anyway, come the day they go up 

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to Holy Loch, get into this 
knackered old submarine called 

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HMS Tuner and they're supposed 
to undertake what would have 

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been a 2 day voyage. 
Ultimately it turns to six 

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because they have extremely 
rough weather and they can't 

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surface, and then they get 
tangled up in submarine Nets and

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then they get stuck in the 
middle of a minefield. 

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Oh. 
God, you'd turn around and go 

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back, wouldn't? 
You you think if you did this in

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your car and you'd like every 
time you went some of the roads.

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Closed or there's a queue of 
traffic, you give that up for a 

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bad idea, we'll do it another 
day because obviously it's not 

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meant to happen, but they 
thought, no, we'll still do 

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this, we're going out. 
So there are. 

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Ultimately I'm going to read out
the numbers now because I've got

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them in front of me. 
They gave the boats names. 

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Because they're they're quite. 
Protective about them. 

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So you've got A&B divisions on 
and on each division they had 

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three boats. 
One of them was catfish. 

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I like this on conga and coal 
coalfish. 

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Do you know what a coalfish is? 
I don't know how the coalfish 

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is. 
Never heard of that. 

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Catch a lot, which is a humorous
term for catching fish and a 

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cuttlefish. 
And they're getting the boats 

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out thinking, oh, this would be 
good, get the boats out. 

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One of the boats tears 
completely down the side whilst 

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they're about to put it into the
water and go off on their 

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mission. 
So two of them wave goodbye to 

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their friends as they paddle off
into the darkness, bearing the 

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mind this is beginning of 
December. 

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It's Baltic out there, 
absolutely Baltic. 

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And so they're dropped 10 miles 
off the entrance to the the 

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river that goes, that leads down
ultimately towards Bordeaux, 

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which is a 75 mile paddle. 
It it it beggars. 

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Belief that in the middle of war
they are not spotted at any 

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time. 
Yeah, as in the film, were 

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these, were they all apart from 
the officers, Were they all 

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volunteers? 
They weren't specially, 

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necessarily specially crack 
troops. 

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They were. 
They just volunteered for this. 

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Bill Secret mission Bill Sparks,
who was one of the volunteers, 

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aptly has said afterwards when 
you ask for volunteers for 

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something during a war. 
And this was interesting because

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I was watching this in the film 
and it it's actually covered in 

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the film. 
You have people who've been 

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jilted by their lovers and think
there's nothing more to live 

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for. 
People who've had, and that was 

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highlighted as well, had their 
family destroyed in air raids, 

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killed in air raids. 
People who just did not want, 

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did not know what they were 
volunteering for because they 

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were bored where they were and 
nothing was happening. 

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And people who wanted some 
action and wanted to go out in 

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the blaze of glory. 
So it was quite a mishmash of 

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people. 
For my part, the reason I 

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volunteered, I lost a brother in
the beginning of the war and I 

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felt that as a young man and I 
felt I wanted revenge and this 

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was seemed to me an ideal way of
getting it. 

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Naturally, in a little unit like
this, when we realized that we 

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were going to be trained for 
attacking shipping rumors start 

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spreading and we got together 
and we were convinced that we 

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were destined to go up the up 
the Norwegian fields to attack 

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the turpits. 
And obviously these rumors got 

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back to Blondie Hazra and he 
called us together and gave us a

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nasty dressing down, reminding 
us that rumors sometimes turn 

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out to be true. 
And of course, this convinced us

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that we were true. 
We were going up and all up to 

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Norway. 
And it wasn't until we were on 

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the submarine our first day out 
at sea when we got the first 

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shock when he called us together
in the four case and he said, 

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I'm sorry to disappoint you 
people. 

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He said. 
But we're not going to Norway 

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after all. 
We're going to France. 

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Now Bill Sparks, the actual 
soldier himself, Anthony Newley 

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is is based upon him and 
although Bill Sparks says he has

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absolutely no reflection on him 
whatsoever, that was he. 

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Bill Sparks was a ruffty tuffty 
E Londoner who swore, smoked and

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started fights. 
Definitely not anti Newley. 

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No, definitely not Anthony 
Newley. 

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Who? 
Who's who's in the film having 

452
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,280
it away with Dora Brian. 
Dubbed Dora Brian as well. 

453
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,200
That is not Dora Brian's voice. 
Well, also 30 seconds of Dora 

454
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,880
Brian, but she's very highly 
billed in the cast. 

455
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,720
I didn't get that. 
Quite up the top of. 

456
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,440
The Yeah. 
Who is it? 

457
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,080
Surprise. 
You beast the. 

458
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,720
Bloodline. 
Get out of here, you lousy bum. 

459
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,680
You're not a gentleman, so don't
think you can come walking in 

460
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,240
here anytime you happen to be 
passing and think you can take 

461
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,840
up just where you left. 
Oh please, I've learned a thing 

462
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080
or two since you was last year 
and I don't want to see your 

463
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,800
dirty face looking around my 
door again. 

464
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,600
As long as I live, I don't have 
to go with you perishing Marines

465
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,680
anymore. 
I'm a respectable working girl, 

466
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,200
and don't you forget it. 
So you can just get right back 

467
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,600
to Queen St. 
That's the sort of girl you 

468
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,720
need, only they're too good for 
you, you dirty, stinking, rotten

469
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,120
double faced sidekick. 
That's what you are. 

470
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,880
So you can get right out of 
here. 

471
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Otherwise, I'll come for you. 
I really will. 

472
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,400
But but anyway, sorry, sorry. 
We're we're that's all right. 

473
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Let us get to the climax of your
tale. 

474
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,960
Let's face it, no 1950 film 
would be without Dora Brian. 

475
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,920
No. 
So they make their way. 

476
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,040
Unfortunately they hit some 
Rapids and they lose contact 

477
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,240
with one of the canoes. 
And the sad upshot of that is 

478
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,560
that they're thrown out the 
canoe and they swim for sure, 

479
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,040
these the two sailors. 
But unfortunately, because it's 

480
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,360
winter, they're sopping wet. 
They've got no way of drying 

481
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,440
themselves. 
They die of hypothermia. 

482
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:53,560
And they're found about 3 days 
later by an army patrol, another

483
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,080
set of canoeists getting to 
difficulty, and their canoe 

484
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,640
scuttles itself. 
So they have to hold on to one 

485
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,080
of the last two remaining canoes
and they dropped them off at the

486
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,800
shore. 
And they say you need to make 

487
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,280
your way to Spain mate, thanks 
very much. 

488
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,280
See you later. 
Get a bus to Spain. 

489
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,720
You'll be fine. 
Don't make any changes straight 

490
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,720
to Spain because that's the 
plan. 

491
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,560
There is really no plan to get 
out of there. 

492
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Ultimately, it is a suicide 
mission. 

493
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,600
All they're told to do to get 
out of there is make your way to

494
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200
Spain, the front. 
When you get to the Spanish 

495
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,560
French Borger, the the French 
resistance are expecting you. 

496
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Don't worry about it. 
Knock on the door. 

497
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Hey, Lauren, I wanted to go to 
Gibraltar, please. 

498
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,560
Literally, that is it. 
They've got no papers, no 

499
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,600
nothing. 
They're dressed as soldiers. 

500
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,040
They're getting shot. 
And what that ultimately happens

501
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,000
is they're caught a day later by
the gendarmerie, which is very 

502
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,000
painful, and they're handed over
to the basically to the the 

503
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,880
local German Garrison there. 
And they are nastily 

504
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,920
interrogated. 
A little bit of information is 

505
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,600
given out, but not in time to 
scam for the plans of what 

506
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:22,880
happens in the last two. 
Cockle shells get to the port. 

507
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040
There's no real big warships or 
anything like that. 

508
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,760
They're all sort of cruisers or 
they are cargo ships. 

509
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,280
They stick their limpet mines on
there. 

510
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,040
There's an interesting point 
where, and it's shown in the 

511
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,120
film as Anthony newly, and the 
soldier just looks over the edge

512
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,840
and he points to David Lodge to 
get back down in the water, that

513
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,120
it wasn't David Lodge and Jose 
Farah. 

514
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,240
Jose. 
I was going to say Jose. 

515
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,280
It's Jose. 
Yeah, get back in the water. 

516
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,880
That is a faint reflection of 
what happened. 

517
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,480
What actually happened was a 
soldier went over the side of 

518
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,040
the ship because he was on 
patrol and swung his torch along

519
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,760
the side of the ship waters line
and the beam actually caught the

520
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,920
cockle shell as it went over and
he didn't even register it. 

521
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,560
He wasn't looking, he was just 
swinging his lamp across. 

522
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,880
And then he went back inside and
they really thought they'd been 

523
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,400
seen. 
And nothing. 

524
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
They held their breath and they 
waited and waited. 

525
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,000
And nothing happened. 
And realised that he hadn't. 

526
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,160
He wasn't even making an effort 
to look because let's face it, 

527
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,160
they're 70 miles from the 
nearest British warship. 

528
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,200
They don't give a damn, do they?
Yeah, why would you? 

529
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Why would you bother? 
You've got some snaps in the 

530
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,520
cupboard there, Snap. 
Picture of Eva Braun. 

531
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Short of snaps. 
That's easy for you. 

532
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,920
To say a. 
Short shot of snaps. 

533
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,360
A short shot of snaps, though 
he'd have been in there later. 

534
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,040
Hosed on and power band away you
go. 

535
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,640
Nice slapping so so ultimately 
so the film ends and spoilers 

536
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,000
here, but we got straight right 
to the we we we we go right to 

537
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,280
the end of the film where. 
It's not a good acting, is it? 

538
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,280
It's not of, of the, of the 10 
men who began in the film, I 

539
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,120
should say, who began the 
mission only to survive. 

540
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,240
And is that so? 
Is that pretty much how it 

541
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,960
worked out with Operation 
Frankton then? 

542
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,240
Yes, it is. 
Basically Blondie and Bill 

543
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,160
Sparks were the only survivors. 
But Bill Sparks's problems were 

544
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
not over. 
So they managed to get to 

545
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Gibraltar by no help from the 
locals because they were so 

546
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,920
terrified of the Germans. 
So because Blondie's an officer,

547
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,720
he gets back, wash brush up, put
him on the plane flying back to 

548
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,200
London. 
Bill Sparks is left there, and 

549
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,960
all of a sudden people are 
going, who the hell are you? 

550
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Well, I'm so and so. 
I was doing this mission with so

551
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,760
and so. 
Well, can anybody vouch for you?

552
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:03,840
What? 
And. 

553
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,320
They arrested him because nobody
could vouch for him. 

554
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,880
Nobody knew. 
Thanks a lot Blondie for leaving

555
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:12,320
me. 
Exactly. 

556
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,239
He back us off for his hair 
transplant back to London. 

557
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,159
Yeah. 
And Bill Sparks is shoved on a 

558
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,880
plane, flown back to London. 
And as soon as they land in 

559
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,000
London and they put him on a 
train, he. 

560
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,840
Gives his guards the slip at 
London and he runs to the 

561
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,239
combined headquarters who were 
running the mission. 

562
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Walks in and basically the long 
and short of it is was this 

563
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,960
officer walks out and what? 
Bloody hell, I thought you were 

564
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,320
dead. 
And they went get Blondie here 

565
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,760
now. 
They locked me up and so they 

566
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
had the voucher and they 
voucher, but he went off. 

567
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,960
You know, he literally got sent 
back to barracks to get ready to

568
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
be sent out to the desert after 
that. 

569
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,480
You had no red. 
Light. 

570
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480
That would not have that would 
not have made a good ending to a

571
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,840
film. 
No, but it it would. 

572
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,320
Make in it, get in the back. 
That would have not not not have

573
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,400
left the 1955 cinema audience, 
leaving the cinema with a warm 

574
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,160
glow. 
There is that lovely. 

575
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,120
Frame though at the end of the 
film with them all walking down 

576
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,240
the path, isn't it and and the 
and that crescendo of music of 

577
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:32,840
life on the ocean wave coming up
and yeah. 

578
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,240
Yeah, I didn't particularly see.
So the end of the film has 

579
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,440
Anthony Newly and Jose Farah, 
the two surviving cockleshole 

580
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,080
heroes, walking down this French
Rd. 

581
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,520
And you see behind them, also 
marching in lockstep, is the the

582
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,520
spirits of their fallen 
comrades. 

583
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,560
I I have an issue with the 
Anthony Newly and Jose closing 

584
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,960
shop. 
Are they missing bicycles and 

585
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,600
onions? 
Because it is almost like that. 

586
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Yes. 
It's terrible, stereotypical. 

587
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,120
Oh, they just need, yeah, 
onions, yes. 

588
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,040
What the name? 
What was the what was the names 

589
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,200
of the the two British airmen in
the lower low, Fairfax and 

590
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,320
Carstairs? 
Yes. 

591
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,960
Hello. 
OK, so let's talk about the 

592
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,720
film. 
The The film was a huge hit in 

593
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:27,440
195556. 
It's beautiful as well, the 

594
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,640
glorious Technicolor. 
Well, it's Warwick Films, and 

595
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,400
Warwick Films was owned by two 
people, wasn't it? 

596
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,840
Yes. 
Two of them, 22 very influential

597
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:45,240
people, Irvin Allen and somebody
by the name of Albert Brockley. 

598
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,400
Never heard of him, don't know 
whatever happened to him. 

599
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:54,040
They split up the the the film 
company was wound up in 61 wait 

600
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,280
for it over an argument over 
whether they should take on the 

601
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:05,200
rights for Doctor No. 
It's a flesh and the pan. 

602
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,520
It's just another spy film. 
Yeah, goes, goes Owen and 

603
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,800
Broccoli is going. 
No, it's going to be brilliant. 

604
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,400
No, it's not. 
And they basically fell out. 

605
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,480
And so the company was wound up 
and the rest, as we know the 

606
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,520
list there is history. 
Yeah. 

607
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Yes, it is beautiful because a 
lot of war films then were in 

608
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,680
black and white. 
I think the colour is really, 

609
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,760
really it it it, it really works
well, really works well. 

610
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,760
I actually there's not a dud 
performance to be honest with 

611
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,320
you, is there? 
Would you say there's a dud 

612
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,200
performance? 
I'm not struck particularly by 

613
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Jose Ferrer, even though he's 
he's the star now. 

614
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,560
It was only after I watched it 
again for preparing for this 

615
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,120
that had occurred to me. 
I'd always assumed that his 

616
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:01,560
character, which is Major 
Stringer, was an American 

617
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,760
Marine. 
I thought he was Free French to 

618
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,160
begin with. 
Well. 

619
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,360
When I first saw it. 
But I think he's meant to be 

620
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,120
British. 
Yes. 

621
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,040
And yet he doesn't make an 
attempt to put on an accent, 

622
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,640
does he? 
OK, I'll, I'll, I'll be blunt. 

623
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Yes, I'm not really happy with 
his performance. 

624
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
It's a lazy performance. 
But then again, he's the 

625
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,360
director as well, isn't he? 
So it seems as though he's cast 

626
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,080
himself. 
He's a very. 

627
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,760
Well, he's a bland performance, 
but then again, you have to look

628
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,840
who's again, who's playing 
against. 

629
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,560
He's playing against Trevor 
Howard, yes. 

630
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,600
In his sober moments, I love 
Trevor Howard. 

631
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,400
Sorry, I do. 
Yes, I love Trevor Howard. 

632
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,520
He's. 
Quite he's great in this, 

633
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,440
although, although you come to I
can, I initially didn't like his

634
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,760
character in this because he's 
this he's got his stick up his 

635
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,400
backside. 
Oh. 

636
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,280
He's the anti hero, he's the 
person by the book. 

637
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,640
He's bitter and and Chippy 
isn't. 

638
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,920
He oh, because he's missed out 
on a lot in the world, hasn't 

639
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,520
he? 
He life's passed him by and he's

640
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,960
not achieved any. 
First World War was over and 

641
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,040
done with before he could get 
any sort of purchase on that. 

642
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,280
And he's just been shoving bits 
of paper route as an Hatcheton, 

643
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,800
hasn't he? 
And he's always carried somebody

644
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,200
else's bag and been in in 
somebody else's shoulders 

645
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,840
shadow. 
And I think he balances himself 

646
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,800
by having an equal chip on each 
shoulder. 

647
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,920
He believes he can be a 
marvellous soldier that runs by 

648
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,360
the book, but knows in real life
he doesn't think he can. 

649
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:39,240
So he's fighting his doubts and 
his in whatever he can do, but 

650
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,040
he knows all he needs to do is 
he's in the position now to just

651
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,640
shout orders and people look up 
to him and I think he likes 

652
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,280
that. 
Well, he's he's contemptuous of 

653
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,520
the soldiers. 
Everyone. 

654
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,400
Everyone, actually. 
Whereas Stringer's looking for a

655
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,000
what what he calls an 
individualist. 

656
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200
He wants someone who can think 
for himself, someone who's not 

657
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,560
going to not going to do the job
just because a Sergeant is 

658
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,280
screaming at him to do it. 
He wants someone who wants to do

659
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000
it for its own sake. 
And he doesn't want them whipped

660
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,880
into shape. 
And, And Trevor Howard's 

661
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,440
character pretty much thinks 
that's just. 

662
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,440
Tommy Rot. 
Yeah, Tommy rot. 

663
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,520
That's a good word. 
Bilge. 

664
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,480
You told me once that I was a 
military machine with no feeling

665
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,840
for the men. 
Well, you've just killed the 

666
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,120
whole lot off. 
Not a man would have survived. 

667
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,080
Not a man would have reached his
objective of this exercise had 

668
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,560
been the real thing. 
That's where your kindness has 

669
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,480
got you, and the men despise you
for it. 

670
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,320
Oh, that tells me what I want to
know. 

671
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,480
And there's just one more thing.
It concerns me. 

672
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,720
I'm not accustomed to being 
associated with this kind of a 

673
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,120
mess. 
I want you to know that I'm 

674
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,800
thoroughly ashamed to be a 
member of your unit. 

675
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,760
Yeah, all through the film, 
Paisa Ferrer, he's OK. 

676
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,000
He's just and he's not. 
He doesn't look as though he's 

677
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,880
an action man, does he? 
He's just no and he's just. 

678
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,160
Plodding along sounds terrible, 
doesn't it? 

679
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,160
I mean, he was a huge, he was a 
huge star on film, on stage 

680
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,000
particularly, and and TV in his 
late years. 

681
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,640
I mean, I remember him chiefly 
from an episode of Colombo where

682
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,640
he plays the killer. 
It's an episode where there's a,

683
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:32,400
it's this, this think tank where
all these great scientific minds

684
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,600
are assembled and there's a 
child prodigy, a child genius 

685
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,480
whose name is Steven Spellberg 
in this episode, which was 

686
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,240
obviously a nod by the writers 
to the first director of first 

687
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,840
episode of Columbo, Steven 
Spielberg. 

688
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,360
But yeah, he, I remember him 
from that and I didn't really 

689
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
know him for much else. 
Uncle of George Clooney, I 

690
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,720
believe. 
He is the uncle of George 

691
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:58,480
Clooney. 
Yeah. 

692
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:05,120
And recently, and I was watching
a review of one of his latter 

693
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,600
films during the 1970s, when 
perhaps work wasn't all that 

694
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:16,200
good to him in a bad movie 
review called The Car, in which 

695
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:22,960
he plays a a man who's confined 
to a wheelchair, who gets very 

696
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,160
bitter and envious of his wife, 
who who's much younger than him,

697
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,920
who he knows is having a 
relationship with a younger man 

698
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:40,520
and basically through. 
Psychic powers gets a car, 

699
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:46,240
manages to influence a car to 
run over his wife. 

700
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,200
He thinks he's killed his wife, 
but his wife comes back and is 

701
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,520
seeking revenge. 
Now the car has abilities of its

702
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,680
own and it has been awoken. 
Yes, this is how bad it is. 

703
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,920
Folks, it's a cross between 
Christine and my mother. 

704
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,080
The car. 
Yes. 

705
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,880
So the ultimately happens that 
he's in the wheelchair and it's 

706
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,600
getting to the last scene and 
he's being chased by this car. 

707
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,680
You can see it, you're 
visualising it now. 

708
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,840
You can see it as we're heading 
towards the Cliff. 

709
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,000
We know where. 
We're going with this one, 

710
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,160
folks. 
So yeah, I watched that and I 

711
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,200
went, oh gosh, I've got to do a 
review of the film he's been in.

712
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,280
Now I can't get this thought out
of my head of it plumbing to his

713
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,240
death in in a mobility chair 
followed by some kind of 

714
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,880
Mustang. 
It's like it's a bit like Jewel 

715
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,160
but without any style 
whatsoever. 

716
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Right, Yeah, yeah, back to 
Spielberg there. 

717
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:56,360
Yeah, the the other, the 
supporting cast. 

718
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,120
I mean, Victor Madden is great 
as as Sergeant Craig. 

719
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,080
When wasn't victim Adam working?
That's what I want to do. 

720
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Oh, I know. 
Oh, in everything. 

721
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,800
Everything we said. 
Anthony Newley, of course, who I

722
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,400
love him in anything, more or 
less. 

723
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,760
You a fan particularly. 
I am when he can. 

724
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,120
When he does serious, he does 
real really good serious. 

725
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,920
Yep. 
And when he does comedic, he is 

726
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,120
actually very funny. 
Gurney, Slade. 

727
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,640
Gurney Slade Gurney Slade First 
time I I I saw Gurney Slade the 

728
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,960
first episode. 
I was what? 

729
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,920
What the heck? 
He's just walked off set. 

730
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,480
No, but hold on a moment. 
What's reality? 

731
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Una Stubbs in that as well as 
the girl on the on the 

732
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,600
Billboard. 
And it was such a bizarre and 

733
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,160
then. 
For him to come back into the 

734
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,040
set. 
Yeah. 

735
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,520
But yeah, and you you have the 
the always ever reliable 

736
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,560
character actors that you always
see in these sorts of films. 

737
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,240
Percy Herbert. 
How many films has Percy Herbert

738
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,120
turned up? 
How many war films has he been 

739
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,800
in? 
In my head? 

740
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,440
And I'm thinking specifically 
where eagles dare. 

741
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,080
I think I'm right in saying, 
does he, doesn't he the first, 

742
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,800
doesn't he buy it early on in 
that film? 

743
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,280
Doesn't he get killed or 
something? 

744
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,120
I know, I know who you're 
thinking of. 

745
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,120
No, it's not Percy Herbert, 
unfortunately. 

746
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,760
Very tall actor. 
Neil. 

747
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Was it Neil? 
Neil? 

748
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,680
What's his name? 
Yes, the Do you know who I mean?

749
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,040
Yes, I know who you mean. 
I'm terrible with name. 

750
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,400
This is terrible. 
I should write things down. 2 

751
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,840
middle-aged men try and think 
of. 

752
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Them trying to remain for. 5 
minutes is it? 

753
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Is it ready for my? 
McCarthy. 

754
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:42,800
McCarthy. 
McCarthy, Neil. 

755
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,880
McCarthy Appropriate. 
For old people, Yes, Neil. 

756
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Neil McCarthy? 
Yes, because he his parachute. 

757
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Doesn't open and we're eagles 
there. 

758
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,320
Right, but him and Percy Herbert
went for the same sort of roles,

759
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,440
didn't they? 
They did. 

760
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,880
Yeah, they did. 
And they usually didn't make it 

761
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,960
all the way through a film. 
You could spot the regulars that

762
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,040
would come in that wouldn't make
it all the way through the film.

763
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,280
I mean, if you're in a Johnny 
Mills film in a submarine, you 

764
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,960
knew that Johnny Mills was 
always going to make it out of 

765
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,400
there, of course, come hell or 
high water. 

766
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,840
And then you'd see the 
supporting axe by the side of 

767
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,960
him, and then you'd see the 
familiar faces, and you're 

768
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,480
going. 
You're not going to make it. 

769
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,600
Yeah. 
It's like the it's my last sorte

770
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:30,760
before I go back home dead. 
All right. 

771
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280
And of course, Dave Lodge. 
Let's talk about Dave. 

772
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,040
Let's talk about who who? 
I'm going to just give a little 

773
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,480
brief biography of Dave Lodge 
because we've we've often talked

774
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,080
about him on the show, but never
in any detail. 

775
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,240
I'm not going to talk about his 
whole life story here, haven't 

776
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:50,080
got time for that. 
But I was quite intrigued by the

777
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,440
fact that because obviously he 
met Sellers during the war doing

778
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,080
the gang shows. 
But after the war, he was kind 

779
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,880
of, he was kind of drifting in 
and out of jobs and he couldn't 

780
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,400
hold anything down. 
And he worked in a circus. 

781
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,320
He worked as a He worked both as
a clown and a ringmaster. 

782
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,840
I think that shows his 
flexibility on being able to do 

783
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,520
comic and to be able to do 
serious drama. 

784
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,800
True. 
Yeah, that's where you're going 

785
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,520
to hone your craft, isn't it? 
If you can be as flexible as 

786
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,520
being a clown and as serious as 
the ringmaster, who is the 

787
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,800
coordinator? 
To look at him, you don't. 

788
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,640
You don't get immediately back 
for nothing, you know? 

789
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,760
But you to look at him, you 
don't. 

790
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,840
He's quite an imposing figure. 
He's quite solidly built, about 

791
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,360
6 foot tall. 
He's got the moustache. 

792
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,760
He doesn't immediately come 
across as someone who can do is 

793
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:52,000
a natural comedian or comedy. 
You think you'd have him down as

794
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,160
playing the heavy in films or TV
shows generally or the maybe the

795
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,240
villain or or whatever, but 
yeah. 

796
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:02,200
But no, he could turn his hand 
to both and also authority 

797
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,000
figures, as we say, you know, 
policemen and and the like. 

798
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,360
I think because it's rock solid 
nature, I think they look at him

799
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,920
as being the Bobby on the beat 
or or or in this case, well, not

800
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,920
necessary with this film, but 
with a lot of war films. 

801
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,120
Isn't he? 
Is this he's the Sergeant of the

802
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,800
RSMI mean you only have to look 
as you mentioned earlier and 

803
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,320
League of Gentlemen. 
League of Gentlemen. 

804
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,360
Yeah, absolutely. 
And he's an archetypal RSM in 

805
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,320
that, isn't it? 
He's an imposing person that 

806
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,120
some, when the camera pans 
around, if he's in the group of 

807
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,520
people, he's going to stand out 
first every time, every time. 

808
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,800
But I think he's aware of that, 
so he doesn't come forward to 

809
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,640
the camera. 
He's very good at that, where he

810
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,400
still allows the actors around 
him. 

811
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,480
This is the thing with people 
like himself, Sam Kidd, to a 

812
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,720
certain extent, they allow all 
of them to work in together in a

813
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,160
scene without hogging a scene. 
He's really good at not doing 

814
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,920
that, especially things like 
Victor Maddens the same as well 

815
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:11,040
because he will play large loud 
characters, mainly RSMS or or or

816
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,920
again police officers, but he 
doesn't hog a scene. 

817
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,520
And the same with David's very 
gentle with his acting until he 

818
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,640
has to turn on the nastiness. 
But he he respects and that's 

819
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,880
what comes along. 
I think from what I've seen in 

820
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,640
the films I've seen, because 
this is a child, I've, I've seen

821
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,600
David Lodge, grown up watching 
David Lodge, you, you feel safe 

822
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,480
with him and you don't feel as 
though he's stealing anything 

823
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,240
from anybody. 
And he seems to be liked by his 

824
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,920
acting colleagues as well, which
I think is very important, 

825
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,360
especially in sort of a 
cutthroat nature of 

826
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,640
entertainment as it can be in 
films and on television. 

827
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:55,160
At one point in the 40s, Dave 
Lodge was smuggling ballpoint 

828
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:01,600
pens from Ireland to Britain. 
Yeah, Dave got BIC on. 

829
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Yeah. 
Because they were, they were 

830
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,800
very hard to come by then. 
I got that three. 

831
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,880
I'll give you 3 quills for a 
BIC. 

832
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,480
A Biro. 
Biro, OH. 

833
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Dear yes and and of course, cock
Offshore Heroes was his big 

834
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,600
break. 
It's his second film. 

835
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,160
Well, his second major part in 
the film, yeah. 

836
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,320
Yeah. 
You wouldn't think it. 

837
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,000
You wouldn't think it, though. 
No, he sat home with that 

838
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,600
camera. 
And I guess in the film, if you 

839
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,280
if you accept Jose Farah and 
Trevor Howard, who was obviously

840
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,040
the officers, and then you've 
got Victor Mad, who's a 

841
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,080
Sergeant. 
Anthony Newley and David Lodge 

842
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:47,960
are the two prominent Marines. 
Yes, in this film, aren't they? 

843
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,400
Right now, pay attention. 
You've taken quite a few 

844
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,000
liberties during the past few 
days, but from now on which 

845
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,160
you're under King's regulations,
and don't you forget it. 

846
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,240
If you do, I'll read the right 
back to you in a language 

847
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,840
guaranteed to make a Bishop kick
hole in a stained glass window. 

848
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,200
I've got the iron one or two of 
you already. 

849
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,720
That Arthur Dollar he picks on 
you? 

850
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,560
I'm looking at you, Raddock. 
He's looking at you, Raddock. 

851
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,680
Arthur Dolly. 
Right now. 

852
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,720
Stop talking. 
You do have the Irish guy who's 

853
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,520
quite amusing, Marine Cooney, 
and you've got you've got the 

854
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:22,720
guy as well who's fascinated me,
who I thought, although I should

855
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:25,880
have known better, but I thought
briefly it was, it was Jeremy 

856
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Lloyd, but it's a Jeremy Lloyd 
type. 

857
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,520
It's an actor called Jon Van 
Isen. 

858
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,520
The tall gentleman. 
Yeah, he played Marine. 

859
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:41,160
Bradley, who's very tall, comes 
from good stock. 

860
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:41,760
He. 
Clearly. 

861
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,240
He turns up a lot in 50s films. 
He turns up in one of the Carry 

862
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:50,600
On films, and he's also, for me,
he's known as one of the baddies

863
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,160
in Quite a Mass 2 who take 
right, Who takes Bernard 

864
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,960
Quaitamas and his party to look 
around the processing plant and 

865
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,280
tries to turn them into human 
pulp, which is always a charming

866
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,000
thing to do. 
Well, he became, he he 

867
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,920
eventually slid out of acting 
and became more of a producer, I

868
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,080
guess. 
And he, he ultimately became 

869
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,160
managing director of the UK 
division of Columbia Pictures. 

870
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,120
Really. 
Yeah. 

871
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,960
And so he was, he sort of, would
you say, oversaw films such as A

872
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,440
Man for All Seasons, which is 
brilliant, Georgia Girl to Serve

873
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,960
with Love and Oliver, which we 
discussed on Goon Pod very 

874
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,600
recently. 
And in 1970, he was promoted to 

875
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,960
worldwide head of production, 
apart from the US moved to New 

876
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,880
York and became, I don't really 
know the background to this, but

877
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,440
he became long time companion to
Ingrid Bergman in her declining 

878
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,880
years until she died. 
So that's quite interesting, I 

879
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,400
thought. 
But but he's I like his 

880
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,440
character. 
He's not in it much really. 

881
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,160
You don't really see much. 
He doesn't get much to do. 

882
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,440
But he's he's he's good. 
And but but of course there's 

883
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,160
there's also. 
And again, blink and you'll miss

884
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,280
him. 
Christopher Lee as the submarine

885
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,880
commander. 
Submarine commander, yes. 

886
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,800
Now Christopher, bless his 
heart, has a very interesting 

887
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,760
wartime. 
Yes. 

888
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,480
He's he's a relation, wasn't he?
A distant relation to some chap 

889
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,560
who wrote a few novels about a 
spy called. 

890
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,320
Oh, Fleming is he? 
I don't know that. 

891
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Yes, he was a distant relation 
to Fleming, which I was. 

892
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,960
Funny, I was watching, I was 
watching him. 

893
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,000
I mean, you, you just can't stop
watching Christopher Lee when 

894
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,920
he's in anything. 
He's just your eyes immediately 

895
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,880
drawn to him because he's such a
impressive figure, you know? 

896
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,200
I mean, you know, if I was, if I
was, you know, around back then 

897
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,880
and I was in, you know, knocking
about with the film people and I

898
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,320
was of a different inclination, 
shall we say. 

899
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,280
You know, my head would be 
turned by Christopher Lee. 

900
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,320
I'm sure. 
You know, I'm not sure his head 

901
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,680
would be turned by me, but 
that's not the point. 

902
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,200
But you know what I mean? 
You know what I'm saying? 

903
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,640
But. 
I've got pictures of you looking

904
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,720
up, clutching your clutching 
your heart, looking at 

905
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,240
Christopher Lee. 
Now, no, he. 

906
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,440
I was watching him in, I was 
watching him in this and I was 

907
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,040
thinking, I'm sure they must 
have considered him for James 

908
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,040
Bond, surely to God. 
But then I thought, no, probably

909
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,680
too tall, do you reckon? 
He would have been far too tall 

910
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,600
for Bond, I think, and I don't 
think he would have been in. 

911
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,800
I don't think it was a part he 
would like to have done. 

912
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,440
Although he he was, he did like 
the books, but I don't think he 

913
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,920
really, I think they did 
consider. 

914
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,120
Him for Bond, you know. 
Well, he turned up in Bond, of 

915
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,400
course, as three nipple man. 
Three nipple man. 

916
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Hello, I'm three nipple man 
table for two for three nipple 

917
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,920
man please. 
I was always amazed by that. 

918
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,120
Were you convinced by his 
nipple? 

919
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:00,760
I was never convinced by his 
nipple. 

920
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,160
I didn't. 
I didn't give it much attention 

921
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,880
really. 
Well, I've. 

922
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,320
Examined. 
That even if it was Chris 

923
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,760
Nipple. 
Even if it was Chris Nipple. 

924
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,000
But of course he famously, 
famously didn't like to talk 

925
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,280
about it. 
But he killed men during the 

926
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,480
war, didn't he? 
He bare. 

927
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,800
Hands. 
Well, it's a very little is 

928
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,800
actually clearly known. 
About his what he actually did, 

929
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,840
was it because even now it's 
still under wraps because of 

930
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,800
some of it was ultra, ultra 
secret, but he will say deeply 

931
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:39,720
into his espionage, wasn't he? 
Yes, yes, just a fascinating man

932
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,040
all over. 
I mean, I love, I'm not a huge 

933
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,600
horror fan and although, you 
know, so I'm not, I'm not a big 

934
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:52,320
Hammer person particularly, but 
I do like, I do like, you know, 

935
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960
a handful of Hammer films, 
particularly when he's up 

936
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,720
against Cushing. 
Of course, he couldn't be, who 

937
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,120
could fail to be charmed by 
those? 

938
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,840
But I love the wicked man. 
He's great in the Billy Wilder 

939
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,320
film The Private Life of 
Sherlock Holmes. 

940
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,640
Yeah. 
He's brilliant in that 

941
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,680
everything he's in, I mean, even
although I haven't watched them,

942
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,080
but I imagine he's very good in 
the Lord of the Rings films. 

943
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,000
I yes again I. 
Have this is, I'm a terrible, 

944
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,240
terrible person when it comes to
Lord of the Rings. 

945
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,800
I have Lord of the Rings, but I 
didn't watch them all. 

946
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,720
I, I, I didn't watch them all at
all. 

947
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,720
I think I watched the first film
and the rest, they're on the 

948
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,800
shelf. 
But I, I was more engaged with 

949
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,840
The Hobbit because I hadn't 
really read Lord of the Rings. 

950
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,960
But Hobbit we, we read at 
school. 

951
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,840
And so I was sort of drawn into 
that. 

952
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:45,000
I've recently reviewed a film 
called Deathline which is like. 

953
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,560
A Oh, I've seen it. 
Yes. 

954
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,480
The cannibals. 
The Cannibal on the Underground,

955
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,440
yes. 
With Donald Pleasance. 

956
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,520
Donald Pleasance, brilliant. 
Donald Pleasance and Christopher

957
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,480
Lee said he would do that film 
as a cameo if he could appear 

958
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,680
with Donald Pleasance. 
And the problem was, and we go 

959
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,320
back to the height issue here, 
was Donald Pleasance is 

960
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,520
considerably shorter than 
Christopher Lee. 

961
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:13,440
And you'd constantly have 
Christopher Lee standing there 

962
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,840
with Donald Pleasance training 
his neck to deliver any kind of 

963
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,640
dialogue so that the only shot 
you really get to imply they're 

964
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,280
in the same room. 
Is a shot over Donald 

965
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Pleasance's shoulder. 
Of Christopher Lee in front of 

966
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,080
him. 
Well, they should have. 

967
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,360
Donald Pleasance's character 
should have carried an orange 

968
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,800
crate around under his arm. 
Donald Pleasance, he's so funny.

969
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Who was he? 
Who was he up? 

970
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,160
Who was his number two in that? 
I can't remember. 

971
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,400
It was Norman Rossington. 
Norman Rossington. 

972
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,840
See, Norman Rossington is 
another one that's come up from 

973
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,560
the 50s. 
I remember Norman Rossington 

974
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,960
very well doing his comedy turns
in things like Carry On 

975
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Sergeant, but then he he made 
the transfer into television and

976
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:04,080
towards the end of sort of the 
60s where perhaps comedic comedy

977
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,360
was evolving with such things 
like a Python And Do not adjust 

978
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,400
your set and things like that. 
He moved into serious acting. 

979
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,240
And so he did very little 
comedic work in the 70s and 

980
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,840
early 80s. 
He did mainly serious drama. 

981
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,320
I can clarify your Christopher 
Lee thing in James Bond if you 

982
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,080
like. 
He wasn't considered as Bond. 

983
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,040
He was considered for Doctor, 
No. 

984
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,640
Oh well, that makes sense I 
suppose. 

985
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,200
He was playing golf for Fleming 
and he was losing badly. 

986
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,800
And Fleming says you're going to
have to pay me Buck somehow. 

987
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,640
And he says yes, it looks like I
am. 

988
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,560
He says how would you like to 
play a doctor? 

989
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:46,080
No in James Bond film and 
Fleming suggested it to broccoli

990
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,720
and broccoli forgot all about 
it. 

991
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Right, but he he's, he's all 
right. 

992
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,000
And this you only you barely see
him in cockroaches heroes. 

993
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:02,400
He's the the sub commander. 
He's he's very almost. 

994
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,520
I almost expected him to have 
his hat at a jaunty ankle. 

995
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,560
He was. 
Like yes. 

996
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,880
He had the neck chief on and. 
Well, good luck to you. 

997
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,720
Oh boy. 
Very much like that, wasn't it? 

998
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,040
It was a blink and you miss it. 
It's nice actually to see see 

999
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,960
him doing that because in early 
50s when they were doing war 

1000
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,360
films, he was often playing a 
German, wasn't he? 

1001
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Because of his height as well 
and his those cold icy stairs 

1002
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,000
that he's very good at giving. 
His bearing yes as well yes. 

1003
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,120
Now with this film, I don't know
if you feel the same. 

1004
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,880
I probably enjoyed most the 1st 
2 acts if you want to call it 

1005
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,320
that. 
Maybe the the 1st 2/3 of the 

1006
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,560
film I enjoyed the most when 
the, when you've got the 

1007
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,680
training, you've got them at the
at the barracks and you've got 

1008
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:53,760
them on these, on these, these 
training exercises such as being

1009
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,600
dropped in the middle of nowhere
and having to make their own way

1010
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,160
back dressed as Germans without 
getting caught or shot. 

1011
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,760
And just some some lovely shots 
of contemporary England as well.

1012
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Just Dave Lodge stripped down to
his. 

1013
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,520
Vest and pants running through 
Shepperton. 

1014
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,680
Brilliant. 
And when they they, they pull up

1015
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,200
and he's got that sort of 
matriarchal woman that's pulled 

1016
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,920
up in Parliament Square with him
and. 

1017
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,000
Slaps him on the back with a 
vicar and. 

1018
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:30,600
He sort of moves forward. 
Who was Judith first? 

1019
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,160
Who do you reckon? 
Did you recognise her from Carry

1020
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,800
On Spying? 
Doctor? 

1021
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,440
Doctor Crow, I think was the 
character she played in Carry On

1022
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,280
Spying. 
Yes. 

1023
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,440
And she's been bending in the 
film. 

1024
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,520
She's been bending Ruddock's 
ear, Dave Lodger's ear. 

1025
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,960
He can't wait to get it. 
He's he's got a lift with it, 

1026
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,000
but he can't wait. 
To I love the way he gets out of

1027
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,480
the car and he sort of almost 
limps away and says I've just 

1028
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,600
totally, it's not the running 
that's exhausted me. 

1029
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,320
I've just she's just drawn me 
completely. 

1030
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,760
Well, this is the end of the 
line. 

1031
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,120
It's been an exhilarating 
experience meeting you. 

1032
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,120
I always say physical fitness is
the first bastion of democracy. 

1033
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,560
My husband wouldn't agree with 
me on that. 

1034
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,720
He was a slugger and he died in 
his bed. 

1035
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,120
Well, godspeed. 
I only wish I was pressing the 

1036
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,480
tape with you. 
The problem with filming in 

1037
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,480
contemporary Britain and after 
you've seen the film a few 

1038
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,760
times, you, I, I, you start 
looking for different things 

1039
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,640
and. 
Films, especially if they're, 

1040
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,320
you're sort of filming 
contemporary Britain and you can

1041
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,560
see the 1950s cars in the 
background and things like that.

1042
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,520
I always, I always chuckle like 
that. 

1043
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,240
Things like that. 
As you say, he's running. 

1044
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Of course, Yeah, I never thought
of that. 

1045
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,320
Actually, you're, you're 
absolutely right. 

1046
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,440
I mean, it's obviously set. 
It's filmed in 555455. 

1047
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,040
Lack of lack of television. 
Aerials as well, which is really

1048
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,520
lovely to see. 
Yeah. 

1049
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,560
But it's it was set a good 12 
years before that. 

1050
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,480
And it shows you how much 
austerity driven Britain really 

1051
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:14,640
hasn't changed that much at all.
It's, it's, it's so sad with 

1052
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,120
that and the fact that you can 
sort of rock up in Parliament 

1053
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Square, put a few sandbags by 
the side of a building and just 

1054
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,680
film a scene. 
Nobody bats an eyelid. 

1055
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,920
Well. 
They probably didn't even ask 

1056
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,400
for permission. 
No, probably didn't need to back

1057
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,480
then, but no I do. 
I do think the actual mission 

1058
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,920
itself is fine. 
But it's not. 

1059
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,480
It's not, it's a bit rushed. 
It's not particularly thrilling.

1060
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:42,280
I don't. 
Feel. 

1061
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,640
It's, it's clearly film, the 
problem they have as well, isn't

1062
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,320
it? 
It's clearly filmed on a filter.

1063
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,240
Oh, day for night. 
Day for night filter and some of

1064
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,080
the time it's not really filmed 
on a on a date for night like 

1065
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,320
basis and that's whatever film 
you're going to film and you 

1066
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,600
need that. 
I understand you can't like have

1067
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,640
a black screen and just. 
Guess what's happening? 

1068
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,640
But sometimes it's so. 
Obvious. 

1069
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,000
Yeah, a lot cheaper. 
Yeah. 

1070
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,960
It's like sheep in a snowstorm. 
But yeah. 

1071
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,160
But it, it does drag. 
Oh, well, they're going to go up

1072
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,440
to a boat. 
They're going to put. 

1073
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,200
A bomb on it. 
And they're going to go to 

1074
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,600
another boat and put a bomb on 
it. 

1075
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,600
There's nothing exciting about 
that, is there really? 

1076
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,360
And so they pad that out. 
And they were the cat and mouse 

1077
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,440
with the patrol boat. 
But how the hell it doesn't see 

1078
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,920
them? 
Oh yes and well of course though

1079
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,840
you do have the capture of 
ultimately 4 of the men by the 

1080
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Germans and their and their 
interrogations and and ultimate 

1081
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,920
fate in front of a firing squad 
which I was quite shocked by I 

1082
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,440
guess. 
I'm I have an issue with the 

1083
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,680
firing squad. 
How do you? 

1084
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,760
If you removed one from the end 
would they all have fallen over?

1085
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,680
Because they are literally 
because it's such a tight shot. 

1086
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,920
They are literally shoulder to 
shoulder about to shoot these 

1087
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,000
people. 
I thought all they needed to do 

1088
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,600
is just. 
Remove one from the end, they'd 

1089
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,120
all fall over and they could run
away. 

1090
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,960
But yeah, it is a moment where 
you think. 

1091
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,640
And Trevor Howard really nails 
that moment where he says hold 

1092
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,040
the line. 
Yeah. 

1093
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,080
And you're thinking, Yeah. 
King's Regulations till the 

1094
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,440
last. 
Absolutely. 

1095
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,560
I'm going to face the barrel of 
this gun and I'm going to look 

1096
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:48,400
at the bullet coming towards me 
with total gusto and honour. 

1097
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,120
Unfortunately, it will be the 
last thing I see. 

1098
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,000
And that's the saddest thing of 
all because the amount of 

1099
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,280
wastage in the way of lives here
for what little they actually 

1100
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:08,120
did achieve is quite amazing. 
It was never really called upon 

1101
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,960
again to do. 
And it's it's a very sad ending 

1102
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,120
to a sad and it's a reflective 
thing of, yeah, this is what war

1103
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,280
is really about. 
Is not all about daring do and 

1104
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,280
oh, didn't we do rather well 
slap on the back down the Cafe 

1105
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,760
Royal for for TM medals. 
It's not like that at all. 

1106
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,200
I mean, there is a little bit of
comedy in the film, mainly it. 

1107
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,280
Has to be, I think, because of 
the serious nature of it. 

1108
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,800
Yeah, but Anthony newly gives 
gives a few minor titters to the

1109
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,440
audience. 
It's a minor titter, yes. 

1110
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,400
So. 
I think out of all the people 

1111
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,400
that survived, I think he would 
be more likely to be the one 

1112
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,440
that would have been shot. 
Oh yeah, I. 

1113
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,360
Was trying to get into Spain. 
He kind of knew that Dave Lodge 

1114
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,960
wasn't going to make it to the 
end because he's not the kind of

1115
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,520
character actor, he's not got 
the kind of face that would make

1116
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,800
it to the end. 
Oh, oh, that's harsh, but I see 

1117
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,200
where you're going. 
Yeah. 

1118
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,080
Yeah. 
No, he's not. 

1119
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,280
He's not going to blend, is he? 
He's not going to blend. 

1120
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:20,200
Into a crowd and also I think if
you've got the other thing is if

1121
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,680
you've got people of that age in
an occupied country and you were

1122
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,040
a German soldier and you saw 
them walking down the street, 

1123
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,200
you'd wonder want to wonder why 
they weren't either locked up or

1124
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,880
in in the army. 
But yeah it's. 

1125
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,200
But I like, I love the bit in 
the submarine where it's just 

1126
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,440
just that moment where he's 
getting the kayak down and he 

1127
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,200
just turns over his shoulder and
says to Trevor Howard, I'm 

1128
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,800
really glad you're here, Sir. 
It's great to have you on board.

1129
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,680
That that's brilliant. 
Actually, I forgot to yeah, we 

1130
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,080
didn't mention that. 
So the scene where Roddick Dave 

1131
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,760
Lodge goes AWOL and I don't 
understand that because he goes 

1132
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,880
AWOL, they they're in the pub in
the evening and then the next 

1133
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,440
day he's still in a in a pub. 
Why? 

1134
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,440
Why? 
What's he been doing all night? 

1135
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:18,720
It's yourself. 
And by pure happenstance, Trevor

1136
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,200
Howard's character, who's gone 
looking for him, happens to find

1137
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,560
him in this pub. 
Yeah. 

1138
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,920
And they kind of. 
Formed Knowing Trevor, he's 

1139
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,720
probably done a dozen pubs by 
now. 

1140
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,200
But they do form this kind of 
bond and and, well, he. 

1141
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,480
Says to him I had something 
similar similar to me happen. 

1142
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,240
Yes. 
And he, I totally identify 

1143
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,520
what's going on and I'll support
you. 

1144
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,200
And it's that just that line, he
says. 

1145
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,200
I'll support you in everything 
you do. 

1146
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,400
Let's go then. 
Let's go and get it done. 

1147
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:55,040
And it's like this starchy stick
up. 

1148
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,800
His backside senior officer 
suddenly got a bit of humility 

1149
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,640
inside. 
Him and when and when and when 

1150
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,720
Ruddock has thrown the lodger or
wherever it was through the the 

1151
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,800
front room window, he comes out 
and and Trevor Howard says 

1152
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,600
feeling better. 
Ruddock and and Dave Lodge says 

1153
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,359
yes, but it doesn't solve 
anything, does it Sir? 

1154
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,720
No. 
Rather sort of philosophically, 

1155
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,800
yes. 
And you've got Sidney Taffler as

1156
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,920
the policeman. 
Oh, anything happening as? 

1157
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,399
He flies through the window. 
Oh, very quiet. 

1158
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:36,080
Yeah, just getting back to the 
pub scene with this. 

1159
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,920
Quite unnecessary song. 
Oh. 

1160
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,960
No, for some reason it's 
padding, isn't it? 

1161
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,640
It's terrible padding. 
And again, another dubbed and a 

1162
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,720
clearly dubbed singer. 
But did you know? 

1163
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:58,120
So there's this quite attractive
blonde woman dressed as a member

1164
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:02,960
of the Yeah, yeah. 
But it's Pamela Guard who was 

1165
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,880
whose stage name was Yana. 
Really. 

1166
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:11,120
Yeah, Yana. 
And she was quite she was quite 

1167
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,000
popular in the mid to late 50s. 
Quite see why. 

1168
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,319
Well, she had her own BBCTV show
called the Yana Show. 

1169
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,200
She also did quite well in the 
States. 

1170
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,840
She was on Ed Sullivan. 
She worked quite a bit with Bob 

1171
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,760
Hope and he referred to her as 
the British Marilyn Monroe. 

1172
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:37,120
And here's the thing, she had a 
string of affairs with with men,

1173
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:46,680
although it's commonly accepted 
that she was a lesbian or she 

1174
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,080
preferred females, but at least.
But apparently she had a fling 

1175
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,840
with George Formby. 
Can you believe? 

1176
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,760
Now I I'm quite amazed with that
because George Formby's wife was

1177
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:02,520
quite a force to be reckoned 
with and didn't trust any woman 

1178
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,440
around George Formby, did she? 
It was. 

1179
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,400
Her name? 
Kitty or something? 

1180
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,760
Not Kitty was that. 
Was that our old mother Riley? 

1181
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,080
Was that? 
No, no, it was. 

1182
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,200
I think it was Kitty and she 
used to insist on being on. 

1183
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:21,680
She used to shout at directors 
if he if he had to kiss someone.

1184
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,000
Because she was not happy about 
it. 

1185
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,640
So what would happen was they 
would they would set it up and 

1186
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,240
film scenes like that. 
If you had to cuddle or kiss a 

1187
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,800
girl, put his arm round a girl 
or or kiss a girl, just Peck her

1188
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,680
on the side of the cheek. 
They'd film it quickly before 

1189
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,280
she'd arrived because she would 
turn up every day of filming, 

1190
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,960
Thor Heard told the story of 
because she ends up in some kind

1191
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,800
of not Thor Heard. 
Who's that? 

1192
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,760
What are you? 
What are you saying? 

1193
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Thor, I heard, was kissing 
George Thorpe. 

1194
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,000
Turned out bad again. 
It wasn't. 

1195
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,840
It was Gracie Field. 
Sorry. 

1196
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:01,360
Oh. 
God. 

1197
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:07,000
Gracie Field and him end up in a
giant VAT of foam and he got 

1198
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,240
handsy and his. 
Professions of a window cleaner.

1199
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,360
And he got handsy with her 
during the break and I think 

1200
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,920
his. 
Wife saw it. 

1201
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:22,200
And she literally grabbed him 
and bodily dragged him out of 

1202
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,080
this VAT with everybody going, 
what you doing? 

1203
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,840
And she's slapping him around 
the face. 

1204
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,480
Don't you do that? 
Good God, good God. 

1205
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:34,960
So yeah, when you say she had an
affair with her, she's taking 

1206
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,360
her life into her own. 
Hands. 

1207
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,640
Yeah, yeah. 
But sadly for for Jana, her she 

1208
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,360
she quite quickly faded into 
obscurity in the 60s, ended up 

1209
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:51,760
working in boots in the 1980s. 
She had, she had quite a big hit

1210
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:56,320
with a single in the late 50s 
called Climb up the Wall. 

1211
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:02,080
And she was in a couple of 
Warwick films singing. 

1212
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,760
Like there's a film called 
Interpol, and that also featured

1213
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,040
Sidney Taffler and Trevor 
Howard. 

1214
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:12,800
So yeah. 
So. 

1215
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:13,720
But that. 
Yeah. 

1216
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,280
And Jess Conrad is in that 
scene, isn't he? 

1217
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:17,800
In the pub. 
Yes, he is. 

1218
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:22,440
It's. 
It's amazing how many films Jess

1219
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:25,920
Conrad actually pops up in in 
the background. 

1220
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,160
Yes, yeah. 
But but, but the whole yeah, it 

1221
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,400
is, it is a bit of a a bit of 
filler, a bit of padding there 

1222
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:37,920
that that that whole scene and 
excuse for a fight. 

1223
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,320
Oh. 
That was supposed to be, oh, 

1224
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,560
this is what squaddies do when 
they get drunk. 

1225
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,080
They fight each other and then 
the Roma and the Marine police 

1226
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,080
turn up and hit them and 
everybody goes home happy. 

1227
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,160
Yeah. 
Of course, Sam Kidd, the great 

1228
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,760
Sam kid, turns up as well, 
doesn't he? 

1229
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,880
Driving the fish lorry. 
I've hitchhiked all the great 

1230
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,280
way from your fine city of 
Liverpool and hope and pray that

1231
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,760
I'll soon be proudly wearing the
King's uniform. 

1232
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,600
What's that uniform you're 
wearing just now? 

1233
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,680
Irish Salvation Army. 
Of course I should have known. 

1234
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,160
Very smart, very smart. 
Isn't he contractually obliged 

1235
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,840
to be in every 1950s British 
film in some capacity? 

1236
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,040
Yes, he is. 
Yeah, it's written into it. 

1237
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,840
But yeah, he's, he's the 
forgotten actor, isn't he, of 

1238
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,360
that time? 
Well, you say that, but with 

1239
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,920
Talking Pictures TV, he's been 
rediscovered. 

1240
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,200
I think it's fair to say. 
Let's face. 

1241
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,640
It and hopefully he'll get the 
recognition he so deeply 

1242
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,280
deserves because. 
I mean, Sam. 

1243
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:51,320
Was going for decades through 
40s, fifties, sixties, 70s and 

1244
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,160
to the early part of the 80s 
before he passed away. 

1245
01:13:55,240 --> 01:14:00,400
So he is he is a legend and that
he's I recognise him constantly 

1246
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,360
in films and I'm disappointed if
he doesn't appear in a war film.

1247
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,640
Yep, of. 
Course, he had that great role 

1248
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,440
in I'm All Right Jack as the 
stuttering worker. 

1249
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,080
He sounds like he's constantly 
on the verge of swearing the 

1250
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,680
quiet managers to the quiet 
managers to do it. 

1251
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,840
You silly clutch say that. 
Again. 

1252
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,840
David Lodge I always used to 
appreciate the fact that 

1253
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,600
especially in Q he he would make
reference to this film, this 

1254
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,280
particular, this particular 
movie. 

1255
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,760
And yes, it was a running joke, 
but it's an important joke as 

1256
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,160
well because I think he kept the
memory of Cockle Shell heroes 

1257
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,760
alive to a certain extent by 
making this reference to it. 

1258
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,240
Why don't you read the Radio 
Times? 

1259
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:55,480
Then you'll know who I am. 
Cunin Cunin starring Spine 

1260
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:57,720
Milligan. 
Sweeney Blood. 

1261
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:06,360
John Bloogle and and and and and
and. 

1262
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,440
Dave. 
Dave Blood. 

1263
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,280
Right. 
And remember, I was in 

1264
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,960
Cockleshoe Heroes. 
Why did you have to dress like 

1265
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,160
that? 
Because that's the. 

1266
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,000
Only way you can get in the 
film. 

1267
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,760
Oh, I guess it was Spike's at 
Spike's instigation originally, 

1268
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,800
though I imagine that. 
Well, do that. 

1269
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,120
I don't imagine that. 
Dave, I reckon Dave Lodge said 

1270
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,400
him. 
I used to do that in Cockle 

1271
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,480
Shell Heroes and Spike's or he's
been, there's been a 

1272
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:40,240
conversation in the canteen and 
he's messing about and pulling 

1273
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,320
whatever and Dave Lodge said. 
I used to do that in Cockle 

1274
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,120
Shell Heroes. 
And Spike's banked that. 

1275
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,200
Yeah. 
And it's it's appeared in a 

1276
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,880
script and I just get that sort 
of impression what that's that's

1277
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,840
been picked up on. 
Hello, Parky. 

1278
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,960
Hello, sorry. 
Don't get me wrong, you know I 

1279
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,960
am, don't you? 
No, Dave Lodge, I was in. 

1280
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:08,200
Yeah. 
I'm only doing this for the 

1281
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,320
ready, OK? 
Here you go. 

1282
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,520
Cigarettes. 
Spike is very apartment to 

1283
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:21,160
seeing people act with their 
best side by their strengths, 

1284
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,280
very much so. 
And, and, and David Lodges 

1285
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,000
strengths as well because he's 
playing police officers a lot of

1286
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,800
the time he's playing authority 
figures, although he does play, 

1287
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,960
he does play a burglar in the 
BBC economy sketch. 

1288
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,600
That's right, a Jehovah's 
burglar. 

1289
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,560
Jehovah's burglars, yes, that's.
Right. 

1290
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,960
Yes, that's right. 
But but no, listen, Warren, 

1291
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,520
thank you. 
You know, thank you for coming 

1292
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,320
on to talk about this and 
obviously bringing your 

1293
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,560
grandfather's memories as well, 
which which were very pertinent 

1294
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:57,000
and and thoroughly fascinating. 
Thank you for listening to my 

1295
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,960
humble mumbling. 
So it's been an absolute 

1296
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,360
pleasure and thank you. 
I've never been on a real 

1297
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,360
podcast before. 
Oh, I'm so going to get attacked

1298
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,040
for that. 
You've got the world of 

1299
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,560
podcasting at your feet. 
There's going to be like a 

1300
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,600
there'll be like a bidding war 
for for your services as. 

1301
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,880
A guest poor sobs. 
Thank you very much, dear 

1302
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,040
listener, and thank you very 
much to you as well, Tyler. 

1303
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,160
Thank you. 
I really appreciate being 

1304
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,120
allowed to come on and mumble. 
Well, not, not, not at all. 

1305
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,280
Now, I know we said before that 
it's it's, it's an occasional 

1306
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:34,680
podcast, your podcast, but have 
you got any films planned that 

1307
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,120
you want, you want want to 
cover? 

1308
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,960
Yes, we're I'm looking at doing 
a Christmas special with Martin 

1309
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,760
Holmes looking at and you've 
heard it here, 1st works, the 

1310
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:49,640
spy that came in from the cold, 
beautiful, beautiful. 

1311
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,640
Martin and myself met up the 
other day up in Manchester. 

1312
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,760
I'd never been to Manchester 
because mainly we were going to.

1313
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,600
He's from Manchester and we 
wandered around because we just 

1314
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:04,880
recently done a review of a film
based in Manchester. 

1315
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,400
Called Hell is a hell. 
Is a city hell? 

1316
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:13,640
Is a city and we were just 
started talking about a carry 

1317
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:20,840
because recently we've just done
a look at Tinker Table Soldier, 

1318
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,280
Spy and Smiley's people for the 
Vision on Sound podcast. 

1319
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:28,720
Radio show. 
Podcast radio show, yeah, who 

1320
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,600
cares? 
It's one of those. 

1321
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,600
And then all of a sudden we 
started waxing lyrical about 

1322
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,280
Burton in the wax, the wax that 
came in from the candle the 

1323
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,520
spider came to. 
Say can. 

1324
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,440
I do that. 
Burton Burton in the Wackers 

1325
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:48,640
1970s ITV sitcom. 
Yes, that's the one, yes. 

1326
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:53,200
With Cheggers and Ken Jones. 
I remember that scene really 

1327
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:58,920
well, as if I was there. 
I bring down this edifice on 

1328
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:03,320
their unworthy heads. 
Yeah. 

1329
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,280
No spy. 
Check. 

1330
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:09,480
Check us with his pants on. 
Oh. 

1331
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,560
God. 
As well the best way to 

1332
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,840
remember. 
It but so yeah we we've started 

1333
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,960
talking about that so hopefully 
Christmas time we're looking at 

1334
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,320
the spy that came in from the 
cold brilliant, brilliant. 

1335
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,880
And Lisa's returning in the new 
year, looking at dinosaurs Mark 

1336
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:29,000
2, looking at another Jurassic 
Park, well, a Jurassic Park 

1337
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,880
film. 
And I would like to invite 

1338
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:36,240
yourself on Come and talk film, 
any film you like. 

1339
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,720
OK, I'll have to think about 
that because I don't want to 

1340
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,480
just choose one without thinking
about it properly. 

1341
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,520
My favorite film of all time is 
Day of the Jackal. 

1342
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,440
OK, I don't want to talk about 
that because there's just it's 

1343
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,120
it would have to be a 2 and. 
Three, there would, there would 

1344
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,240
be an arm wrestling flight 
between you and somebody else 

1345
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:58,840
because somebody else has 
mentioned that as well. 

1346
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,400
So I'll probably get you both 
doing that. 

1347
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:05,560
Well, well, I would, I would. 
My second favorite film of all 

1348
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:13,120
time is 12 Angry Men. 
Sir, you're commissioned. 

1349
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,440
It's a it's a stone bonkers 
classic. 

1350
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,840
There we go, Write that down. 
It's written down. 

1351
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,720
I've written it down in my own 
Christopher Lee's blood. 

1352
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,200
Good. 
I'm held to that now so I'm it's

1353
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,800
going to be free next year 
because I'm putting goon pot on 

1354
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,600
ice for about 3 months next. 
Year, Are you having a rest for 

1355
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:35,440
break? 
Yeah. 

1356
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,280
Yeah, I'll be keeping my other 
one going, but that's easy 

1357
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,240
enough to do. 
Warren, thank you. 

1358
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,680
Thank you again. 
And until we speak again, I'll 

1359
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:49,520
see you the other side of 2024. 
And and to you too, Sir, and to 

1360
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,840
you too. 
The listeners are very happy 

1361
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:52,520
Michaelmas.