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Good evening, senior fabreasy, 
yes, yes, yes. 

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Oh good evening, senior 
saravanan, good evening. 

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How is it true that you prefer 
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the street instead of being a 
studio lot? 

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Of course, he's the only way you
can approach reality realism. 

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I put my camera on top of a 
truck and we drive into the City

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and shoot in my latest film 
Infinity, which runs six and a 

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half hours. 
This film was shot entirely on 

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the top of a trap. 
What is it run? 

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So, So long. 
Well you see we got stuck in the

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traffic difficulties the last 
time he ever showed during the 

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Russian ever again, how many 
film critics have called you the

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master of symbolism, for 
example, and one picture the 

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screen was completely black 48 
minutes now, what did you mean 

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by that? 
I didn't mean anything. 

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I didn't mean anything. 
The the cameraman forgot to take

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the lens cover of the today is 
in another business. 

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That man. 
Look, you got the exactly 12 

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more seconds of my extremely 
precious time. 

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Mr. Icy. 
Well, Frederico, for busy. 

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I wish to thank you and wish you
the best of luck. 

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Or, as we say, in American Show 
Business, break a leg. 

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And to you, I say multi finestra
evilly Pamela. 

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What is that? 
May you lose all of your teeth? 

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Hey, I know and the welcome mat 
to our dude. 

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The father Sorry, be practicing 
that for ages. 

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I just end up sounding like a 
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trying to do Jared Leto, from 
House of Gucci. 

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Anyway, I've never profess to be
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Italian Impressions. 
That being said, this is an 

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episode about a very fine, a 
very entertaining film, very 

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good Peter, Sellers film. 
I think, and my guest is Graham 

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Rinaldi and Graham and I spoke 
about this this film and Graham.

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Started off by talking about how
he first discovered Peter 

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Sellers. 
My father was a huge when he was

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a young boy. 
He was a huge Cinema fan, and he

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would spend most of his time in 
the cinema. 

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And when I was growing up, my, I
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British and American films, and 
my father would sort of wander 

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into the room and then say, oh, 
he would tell me who the actor 

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was standing. 
Probably behind Peter, Sellers 

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or next to Terry, Thomas, that 
sort of thing. 

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So, I was picking up all of 
that. 

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Which sellers, I well, it just 
fell in love with him because he

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was just absolutely marvelous 
performer. 

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And, I mean, obviously a shot in
the dark was quite an early one,

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and wrong arm of the law 
two-way, stretch the mouse that 

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roared, I mean, the list is 
endless, the way, you know, 

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what's new pussycat and this 
film called, after the fox lot 

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of, a lot of films with animals 
in the title, like, But like you

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said mouse that roared Pink 
Panther. 

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What's new pussycat after the 
fox you ever have any pets? 

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No, he connected cars gadgets 
and wives. 

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Is it pet hate? 
Oh yes, but as one gets older, 

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you appreciate your kind of 
appreciated to I appreciate dr. 

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Strangelove more and more me 
too. 

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I think it is. 
I think it's his best film and 

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And I do, I need these 
wonderfully creepy and the L as 

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well. 
Hmm. 

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So Graham, this is obviously 
when you've joined me today to 

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talk about a wonderful film, but
when we were initially in 

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contact, you did mention that 
you are, you know, you did 

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listen to the goons, you do 
listen to the goons. 

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What's your history with the 
show? 

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Listen to the goons. 
I'm more. 

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I know you're not going to lie. 
Like this and you're going to 

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shut me down. 
As soon as I started to say the 

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program, I'm more of a Hancock's
half. 

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Okay. 
Thank you for your time. 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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It's funny. 
It's people. 

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Tend to what do you get people 
that are keen on both of you? 

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Get people that like one of the 
other, I suppose. 

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Yeah. 
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gravitate more towards Hancock's
half hour. 

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I actually think it's probably 
Best British sitcom. 

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And I do remember when I wrote 
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think it's I think it's in the 
acknowledgements that I credited

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which was then known as I think 
it was known as BBC Radio 7. 

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And I listed the radio programs 
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was kind of getting me through 
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wheel. 
Hey bro. 

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Object that took a number of 
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prominent at that point and 
nothing to do with Will. 

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Hey, it was just they were on 
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them. 
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So that's that's really where I 
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when Milligan he appeared on so 
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would always make a point of 
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The same as people like Tommy 
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Exactly. 
Exactly. 

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But yes, Spike was just 
phenomenal. 

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And of course the, you know, 
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traumas that he went through, in
Italy and of course, the love of

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his life, the relationship he 
had in Italy. 

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It's all very, very 
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and and I love the fact that you
use muscley and title of one of 

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his men was as Well, it's I have
to I do have a mime, I do have 

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about three or four books and 
bustling books. 

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Oh, you should see me start, you
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balcony to this house and, you 
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stick you late to all the 
neighbors and then they hang you

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from a Lamppost. 
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And then they can all come and 
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lecturer and you run classes on 
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things. 
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Well and so this is this kind of
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today is brings in both those 
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Essentially because we have come
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1966 Peter Sellers film after 
the fox. 

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The fox. 
Chase 

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directed by Vittorio. 
De Sica written by Neil Simon. 

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I think it was Neil Simon's. 
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plays had need Brittany Odd. 
Couple for the stereo. 

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Yes. 
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this is his so, did you say this
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he wrote in London. 
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saying on Broadway, he had three
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Park and The Odd Couple. 
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his wife and his family. 
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screenplay and then he gave it 
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He wrote the first draft, he 
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was at CMA creative An agency 
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mind if I pass it on to Peter 
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And so I gather new Neil Simon 
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He was he was a bit unsure. 
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an Italian and he had actually 
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to Italian actors to play the 
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mastroianni and Vittorio 
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So it was sent to Sellers and 
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And I love this. 
This is a lovely story that Neil

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Simon told. 
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with Neil Simon and Harvey or 
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which I gather is near was near 
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or something because he, I know 
he sold it on to Ringo Starr who

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sold it on to Stephen Stills, 
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Young, and sellers was 
recuperating but From that huge 

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heart attack. 
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me stupid. 
He I love. 

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I just love this story from Neil
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rehabilitation program. 
Was he had to ride a bicycle and

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they arrived at the meeting. 
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round the outside of his house, 
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And Neil Simon said sellers 
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but he said that he and I are 
the Harvey walking just spent 

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the whole time. 
I've a walking next to him while

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he was cycling or jogging for 
them while they were discussing 

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the script. 
And he said that Neil Simon said

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that when your son was going 
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would say something very very 
funny that sellers would sort of

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laugh uproariously and then he 
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as though it never heard it 
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This went on for about an hour. 
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And at the end of it still is 
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They this it's you know, But we 
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doing this. 
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secret to be the director of the
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So then the script is then sent 
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came on board. 
So you had this whole package of

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Neil Simon who was a big, wow on
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Vittorio de Sica and United 
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there was also another 
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Brookfield production company, 
which was sellers company. 

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We've John Bryan, and they came 
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were meant to make six films 
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And this would be the first. 
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last. 
Yeah, Productions. 

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Now, should I explain who John 
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John, Bryan was very famous. 
British art director, film art 

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director He too worked on out 
Direction in such films as 

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laundering billions Millions, 
like us the wicked lady. 

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I also get the chance now to say
my favorite joke for relate to 

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into a 1940s British film. 
Are you ready for this? 

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I'm braced going, you ready? 
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Tyler. 
Have you ever seen Phyllis 

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Calvert's Fanny by Gaslight? 
He was the artist leave that 

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hanging. 
I just love that joke. 

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He was the art director for 
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He won the Academy Award for art
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Great Expectations. 
He also was all great to on 

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David lean's. 
Oliver Twist. 

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He run. 
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Burton Peter. 
O'Toole film Beckett. 

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Oh yeah, then became a producer.
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The card, the horse's mouth to 
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films as well. 
There was a crooked man and the 

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girl on a boat. 
So, Huge pedigree, and they come

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together to work together. 
And as we talk about this there,

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I do have a few stories that 
I've found out about that. 

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How and why the relationship 
between John Bryan and Peter 

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Sellers fell apart. 
Well, did you get the answers 

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there? 
But Peter Sellers Peter says 

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could be could no more hold down
a relationship professional or 

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otherwise of anybody then he 
could knit fog I suppose. 

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It's fair to say. 
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mentioned obviously sellers 
wanted de Sica does that go back

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to him? 
Working with the Seeker in on 

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the Milling millionaire risks 
because well, just because in 

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that one, yes, those two seekers
in the millionairess and it's an

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interesting way of looking at 
it. 

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I think them real connection, 
obviously, to see. 

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So to Seeker was one of the 
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Along with Roberto Rossellini 
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And so, I mean, Italian 
neorealism films came about 

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because Italy during the war 
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muscley me. 
Everybody know, everyone was 

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sort of Italy was humiliated by 
this and he himself said that 

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neorealism distinct. 
He said that. 

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It came out of this loss of 
Liberty. 

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Not only just personally, 
Vomiting. 

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But artistic, and political, and
they then took their cameras out

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onto the streets and their uses,
you know, bits of old film 

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stock, wherever they could get 
it from. 

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And you can see in these films 
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late 1940s. 
You see war-torn, Italy, and 

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also Italy, slowly trying to 
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They use lots of 
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So you would have in some of the
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You may have about three or 
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Professional access to me like 
Roberto Rossellini's Rome Open, 

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city has the great anime and 
yarning in it to seek his films 

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were the same. 
So he made a film called 

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shoeshine, which was about young
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Penitentiary. 
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film that he made, which was in 
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Was the bicycle seems, which if 
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Sica film directed by, that is 
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film by Sight and Sound. 
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coming from as a film director 
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with sellers, I think really 
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mentor to a woman that Peter 
Sellers? 

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Oh, right? 
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Lorraine And when she was 19, 
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and, you know, which is the 
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and she met him briefly. 
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then not long afterwards. 
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him, and they were just sitting 
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said, right, I'll see you 
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We're off to Napoli due to shoot
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And she plays the Pizzaiola, the
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And she he she always said that 
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what he used to do when he 
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how he wanted, the gestures the 
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him and give her again, or give 
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He did the same thing to see 
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ekland as well. 
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required In the sea, but he did 
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from. 
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obviously, Peter Sellers what to
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I don't know if you know this 
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related story to do with after 
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the the dinner with sellers 
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With Neil Simon. 
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Harvey walking and Javi organs 
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Are you aware of this? 
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Go on. 
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And Britt arranged a dinner 
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Simon as a saint and Harvey 
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So they thought that was just to
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just sort of getting into the 
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ring on the doorbell and Harry 
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Beckham and Eric Sykes of mrs. 
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dinner as well, and they 
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been serve the dinner yet? 
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waiting and Harvey orking. 
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while this was going on. 
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by sellers that all well we're 
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because Princess Margaret and 
Lord, Snowdon the Turning. 

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Oh yeah. 
I have heard this. 

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Yes. 
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that, then sellers didn't seek 
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him how to battle properly. 
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Snowden and Princess Margaret 
just laughter everything sellers

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cecum and Sykes, did everything,
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they made, you just laughed it 
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going on and on and on, and on 
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And, you know, they want to get 
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Yeah. 
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a simple. 
You know who are these two men? 

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Stood at Princess Margaret. 
Surveillance Ellison. 

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Well, Neil Simon is the funniest
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moment in America and Harvey. 
Walking is one of the most 

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wittiest men is ever come out of
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So she still can they, you know,
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for media and sell his egg them 
on to do a skit. 

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And I gather that just 
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so drunk. 
He decided, right? 

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I'm going to be a prostitute on 
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was then going to A u.s. senator
from Georgia who's looking for a

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piece of the action and a 
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balloon and then all of a sudden
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without saying a word and left 
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was so relieved that he and his 
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Burger was at 3:00 in the 
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I'll go and sellers would have 
loved every minute of that. 

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Oh yes. 
Seeing them squirming? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

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You just you know for his own 
Amusement. 

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Yeah, so that's that's just like
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know, do with the sort of 
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do I do we need to Terry 
everyone the plot? 

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Well, this is the thing I was 
I've got copious notes here that

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I made, okay? 
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what I do when I'm covering a 
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little synopsis. 
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But I forgot to do that. 
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yeah, I do have the Blu-ray 
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three, dump the back cover. 
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cover, in case anyone listening 
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the folks, which by the way, 
jumping right to the end and not

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going to give any spoilers at 
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But I happen to think that it's 
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Taking of Pelham. 1 2 3. 
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pleasant. 
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I I think it's I think the 
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perfect, but the the plot 
millions of dollars in stolen 

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gold bullion must be smuggled 
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only one criminal mastermind 
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Aldo vannucci aka the fox played
by the one and only Peter 

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Sellers vannucci devises. 
The perfect plan to bring the 

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loot ashore posing as a 
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director and casting a faded 
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own sister in a fake movie. 
About, of course, a gold Heist. 

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mean, it's, he's a small-time 
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decides to do the job is because
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played by Britt is a 
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the it's even worse when he when
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A out of prison. 
It's even worse for Aldo 

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streetwalker, she wants to be a 
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bring the family into disrepute 
does. 

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Yeah, despite the fact that he's
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they have been choking for 
years. 

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Yeah you did you know don't go 
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Oh by the way I was getting 
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for this. 
The scenes in the prison when 

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sellers is visited by his three 
rather gang members gang 

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members. 
I suppose you'd call them who 

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are just kind of like Italian 
Three Stooges are they really 

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suppose? 
But one of them is a one of them

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is a really good Italian actor. 
Okay. 

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Is it isn't? 
The one that's got the most to 

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do, the one that's slightly 
gormless looking. 

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And now it's the actually, I'm 
Paulo stopper. 

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Who praised the one? 
Who's beautiful? 

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Dressed most of the time with 
the stash. 

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Yes. 
Okay. 

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But the scenes, where the scenes
where they visit our do vannucci

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in prison, I was reminded of 
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where you've got this. 
Very lacks prison where venucci 

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is able to supply them outsiders
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the and the prison, the prison 
officers are more or less waving

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it through. 
And they give Al do a lot of 

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stability and laxity when it's 
interesting. 

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You saying that because so it 
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belleci. 
Yes, he does. 

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Is he does, he's quite 
wonderful. 

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I love that walk and I wrote, I 
was trying to describe it when I

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was watching it and it's a walk 
though. 

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I've seen him do variations of 
in films before he's got, I 

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think sellers has got what I 
call Fluid stiffness. 

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That is a good description. 
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He with that particular walk, it
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wood down his shirt because his 
back is perfectly straight. 

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Yes, it's this comic dignity as 
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And it's and I wrote down 
sellers walking back to a cell 

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displaying comic dignity a sort 
of fluid stiffness about his 

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walk. 
Yeah, because he reminds me of 

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there was with me when he first 
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comes. 
Has to be, you know, visiting 

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time the he makes suggestion and
it was very reminiscent of Noel 

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coward as mr. 
Bridger. 

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Mmm, in The Italian Job, which 
is course after yes, years after

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after the fox, but he makes that
same gesture and he is in that 

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same position he held over 
Nietzsche is mr. 

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Bridger. 
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from prob. 
He is bait. 

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He is running that place. 
From his cell and he can escape 

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at any time. 
If he so wishes and I just it is

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a it is a wonderful walk from 
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it again a bit later on when 
he's out of there's that lovely 

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scene where he goes marching off
when he has his towel around 

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him. 
Yes turns it into a toga. 

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Yes absolutely. 
Again I made a note of that as 

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sort of stoic comic dignity and 
there is another yes mmm. 

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Yeah, it is. 
I mean, he really does live the 

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part, transformed the bond. 
He's completely different as FF.

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Oh yes, the film director. 
So yeah, it's it is a great. 

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I think it's actually a great 
comic creation from Sellers and 

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it's interesting you say about 
two-way stretch because it's 

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there he is. 
Once again because he's busy 

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Dodger laying in two-way, 
stretch. 

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Yes, there is in The gang and 
broken arm of the law, were his 

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pearly gates in charge of a gang
of criminals and all the both. 

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Those other films are two of 
sellers best feature films. 

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They certainly it's interesting 
that he's playing the same type 

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of role. 
Would you would you say this so 

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This film Can be split into two 
halves. 

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Would you say in the sense that 
you have the Aldo venucci first 

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half? 
And then you have the yes for 

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Brits. 
Whether regroup for Federico for

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Britt silver for Britt, see the 
Brits the, the Defoe film 

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director, the photo film 
director, yes, the film in two 

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parts, but I do, we'll come on. 
There's, I do think there's 

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somebody whose performance in 
the film is also absolutely 

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spot-on and we'll talk about Him
a little while. 

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I think that with the prison, 
when he so sellers vows that he 

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will escape by one of the three 
o'clock the following day, 

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because his sister Gina has been
staying out late, and obviously,

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here he has to go and sort 
things out. 

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So he, I think the, the whole 
scheme that he employs here, the

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switcheroo Ploy is quite 
ingenious. 

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It messes with your 
expectations, doesn't it 

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vannucci is the Master of 
Disguise and you see that? 

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Of course, where he finally gets
home. 

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And, of course, there's all 
those different costumes in the 

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water. 
Oh, yes. 

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He can choose from when we get, 
when we get to the new cheese 

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home Gina, she's wants to be a 
film star. 

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And and Them. 
Just just just on the Britt, 

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ekland in this, in this film. 
I understand that to seek. 

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It was initially reluctant to 
have her on board, but in the 

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end he acquiesced. 
Is that right? 

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Yeah. 
To tell us. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Was that purely purely? 
Because she's obviously. 

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She's she's blond. 
She doesn't look particularly 

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she's won't, you know she's 
wearing a wig. 

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They're having a minute, he's 
not dying. 

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Yeah, clearly wearing a wig and 
you know, And it's interesting 

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that what she was Art when she 
was asked to play this role. 

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Of course, there she is. 
She's having to play she's 

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playing opposite, her husband, 
but she's playing his sister. 

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And I love the fact that the 
person that she went to to say, 

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do you think I should do? 
This was Elizabeth Taylor, 

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really? 
Yes. 

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Elizabeth Taylor was a bit of a 
heroin and a confidant to 

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protect And she said, you know, 
this is challenging role, she 

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said but you know but Peters my 
husband and Elizabeth Taylor 

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said just forget that he's your 
husband and just play it for 

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real. 
He is your brother. 

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Hmm. 
And you are his sister and 

451
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,600
that's what she did. 
There has been enough crying. 

452
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Take this soap and wash those 
lips off your face. 

453
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:35,300
Thank you for uniting my family.
Now just you listen to me. 

454
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:41,400
You your delinquent, sneak 
harlots, coward tent, Starlet 

455
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800
you are never too. 
Tension acting again and you 

456
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:51,600
want to put down that far apart.
She never misses what one of the

457
00:29:51,608 --> 00:29:55,500
point to think about is well, 
she's not long head Victoria 

458
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,700
sellers. 
No, well, that's the other thing

459
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:02,200
when, when they go, when they're
making a trip, when they're 

460
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,400
shooting the film, especially 
when they get to the island of 

461
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:14,200
ischia, which is near the Bay of
Naples for six weeks, the hotel 

462
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,100
that they were staying in the 
adjoining room was the nanny. 

463
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:24,000
With Victoria. 
And this is just some because 

464
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,300
Britain has been quite open 
about this in her autobiography 

465
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,100
and she said that. 
So there she was there they are 

466
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,000
on this beautiful island which 
is also was used for funding 

467
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,300
there for Cleopatra. 
The Elizabeth Taylor, Richard 

468
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:39,700
Burton film and many years 
later, The Talented mr. 

469
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:42,300
Ripley, great film. 
Yeah. 

470
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,100
Love that. 
That was shot there as well. 

471
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,400
And but she says, so she 
thought, hola will invite. 

472
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,900
My mother and two of two of her 
brother's and she knows, she 

473
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:55,600
hardly saw them because sellers 
wouldn't allow her to go and see

474
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,700
her own family. 
They came and it got to the 

475
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,000
point. 
Also, where sellers basically 

476
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,600
stayed in his room? 
Once shooting was over for the 

477
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,700
day, he would stay in the room 
and she would have to stay in 

478
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,300
the room with him occasionally. 
I gambled that he did get 

479
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:17,400
Venture down to the pool, maybe 
two or three times because he's 

480
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,100
Over bit more Mortimer. 
That's right. 

481
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,900
Yeah. 
You know, there's of the 

482
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:26,500
Italians are all lounging around
the pool and then sellers would 

483
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:30,200
just dive bomb causing the 
biggest splashes he could, you 

484
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,800
know, to ruin everyone's, you 
know, not sunbathing. 

485
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,300
But even when so the nanny was 
taking Victoria out down to the 

486
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,300
poolside in him and occasionally
Britt would go down there, but 

487
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,700
he was as though she was 
betraying him and she would have

488
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,100
to come back. 
Back and even got to the point 

489
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,800
where the nanny was spending 
most of the time with Victoria, 

490
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,100
not in the adjoining room 
because of the really, the 

491
00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:00,900
relationship between them Pisa 
and Britt in their room and I 

492
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:06,200
mean, that have been going on I 
gather from when because of shot

493
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:12,800
Interiors, Etc, some cinecitta. 
And you know, the and I find 

494
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,700
this absolutely amazing, you 
know, the scene where he goes, 

495
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,700
the two scenes. 
He stops her from being an 

496
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:21,100
actress on the structure. 
Yeah. 

497
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:27,000
Which is the Via Veneto one of 
most famous, you know, 

498
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:30,900
Boulevard, yeah. 
It was in the 60s, everyone. 

499
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,500
Anybody would be seen there and 
to think I could pull lots of 

500
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:41,200
strings but he couldn't pull the
string to have that shut down. 

501
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:46,800
So he had it rebuilt for three, 
three blocks at chin, a cheetah 

502
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:49,700
Traffic lights role. 
I mean cars. 

503
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:54,900
Facades of hotels. 
Yeah, so all this was going on 

504
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,400
and throughout filming and one 
of the artists is of, I mean, I 

505
00:32:58,408 --> 00:33:00,200
love Peter Sellers. 
I mean, I love him as a 

506
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,100
performer. 
But yes, what I've read, I've 

507
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:07,500
read, Roger Lewis's book, mmm. 
It's and but when you see, you 

508
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,500
know, the Dark Side of Silence. 
Hmm. 

509
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,300
And he during filming, he said 
to her one day. 

510
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:16,800
I've seen the rushes of what you
did yesterday. 

511
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,000
And he said something on the 
lines of it was one of the most 

512
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,900
terrifying things I've ever 
seen. 

513
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,200
I think you should go and see it
and you just think there's Britt

514
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:31,500
you know making she said watch 
2223 when she's making this film

515
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:36,000
cell is about 40 and you're 
meant to be encouraging your 

516
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,200
wife but at the same time you're
putting her down and you know 

517
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,800
I'm imagine it couldn't have 
been that wonderful experience 

518
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:47,400
shooting his film. 
Well how much Hm. 

519
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,000
Much do you think she relished 
the scenes in the film where she

520
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,400
has to throw various items at 
found over new cheesehead? 

521
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,300
Yes, she never misses. 
She never misses with a lovely 

522
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:02,300
little touch from sellers is 
when he's talking to Nana 

523
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,200
vannucci and he's picking out 
different sized bowls and he's 

524
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,400
rubbing em because they 
obviously cold. 

525
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,900
And I just think. 
Yes, sellers improvise that 

526
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,199
there are, I mean that 
throughout there are moments 

527
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:21,300
where I mean, I love I love it 
when He has as for Britt see 

528
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,199
when he meets the police chief 
and they go into his office and 

529
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,199
then there's that wonderful 
moment after he sort of silly 

530
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,199
given the role in the film. 
With any just vents, you just 

531
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,199
stops throwing things around. 
It's just, you know, it's just 

532
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,800
as that's what we do. 
Ask, you know, I hate to be 

533
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,500
actual times. 
It's some, there are that lovely

534
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:44,699
moments throughout from sellers 
again. 

535
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:49,800
My deepest gratitude and Good 
morning, good morning. 

536
00:34:50,800 --> 00:35:03,000
Such a deep rich evil. 
Excuse me. 

537
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,100
Good morning. 
The fox decides that he's going 

538
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:23,700
to take this Cairo, gold job on.
He's going to somehow or other 

539
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:29,200
Smugglers gold into Italy. 
And he has to meet okra. 

540
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:34,100
Okra is the guy who so who was 
okra is, is the is the 

541
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Mastermind Mastermind behind the
actual price paid by a Kim 

542
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,200
Tamara? 
Who's you, if, you know, 

543
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:44,200
especially known for Orson 
Welles films True evil. 

544
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,300
Especially yeah. 
Cool Joe grinding. 

545
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,700
That's right. 
Yes yes trial as well. 

546
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:51,500
Yes. 
So so sellers has to go and meet

547
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:55,200
with this okra so he goes to 
this restaurant as part of it as

548
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,400
part of a party of tourists and 
he's disguised and I think it's 

549
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,300
the only because he he does wear
lots of disguises and play 

550
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,400
different parts in this film. 
It's it is it is the fox playing

551
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,200
apart and generally speaking 
using his own voice but this is 

552
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,100
this is a this is A rare 
instance where the fox is 

553
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,800
disguised, as an American, and 
he's doing that, what they would

554
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,900
call in the Goon show, the Hearn
voice, which is making American 

555
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:27,900
noises not actually. 
Yes a saying, any words? 

556
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:36,900
And then he sees this beautiful 
woman who is Maria, Gracia 

557
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,000
Bacala but yellow. 
Yes. 

558
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,800
Miss Italy 1959. 
Yeah, that's a lovely bit of 

559
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,100
business here with the. 
So, Really Icarus is set right 

560
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:52,600
behind Maria and Maria is voice 
voice saying is mouthing the 

561
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:58,700
words that our crew is saying. 
In order to not to arouse 

562
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:03,600
suspicion from nosey Parker's 
all the authorities or whatnot. 

563
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,400
This is really good. 
Yeah. 

564
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,900
And especially because Disney 
order Disney all just three 

565
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:10,700
whiskeys and then of course he's
correcting. 

566
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:12,200
This is only meant to be two of 
you. 

567
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,100
Yes. 
Let's say I'm Then, of course, 

568
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,600
when the waiter comes along it 
is your with a tourist. 

569
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,700
So, you're going to One Whiskey 
and one glass of wine. 

570
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:23,700
If it's, I mean going to be 
going with, you know, with the 

571
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:30,100
Brits thing, it's I mean, I 
actually think that the scene 

572
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:34,000
that she plays later on with 
Victor Mature when she tries to 

573
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,400
seduce him. 
Hmm. 

574
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,700
It's probably one of the best 
scenes in the film. 

575
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,400
Well, that's just words without 
sellers. 

576
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,800
Is it? 
Because it is a bit of a 

577
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,500
thankless role Gina Romantica 
and she does a lot of whining 

578
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:51,500
throughout. 
But the scene with Victor Mature

579
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:55,000
is that it's actually one of the
more stronger scenes in the 

580
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,600
film. 
Which brings us. 

581
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,000
The, I mean, we should mention 
Victor Mature because I think 

582
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Victor Mature is performance is 
supers tremendous. 

583
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,900
He really gets it. 
And it's interesting because of 

584
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:13,600
course, Victor Mature was sort 
of, he's been, you know, been 

585
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,400
sort of lamb but he was sort of 
a butter people's jokes for many

586
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,500
years, you know, because of his 
because of your acting. 

587
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,900
But I'd say, I always say, you 
need to see him as Doc Holliday 

588
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,700
in John, Ford's My Darling. 
Clementine is absolutely 

589
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,500
wonderful. 
In that role. 

590
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,100
But and so here he is, I gather 
it was. 

591
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:34,700
You hadn't made a film for five 
years and this was the longest 

592
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:36,800
stretch that it had without 
making a film. 

593
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,400
Since he'd been and serving 
during the second world war. 

594
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:48,400
And he, I mean II, when I was 
re-watching, it it finally 

595
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,900
dawned on them on me, who I 
think he's actually being in 

596
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,400
that film, which famous 
Hollywood actor. 

597
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,300
He is mimicking in that in, 
after the fox, and that is Burt 

598
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:04,200
Lancaster. 
All right, if but especially 

599
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,500
early Burt Lancaster film, 
especially with because a bit 

600
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:10,200
like us, of course was an 
acrobat such things but 

601
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,300
Lancaster, I don't know. 
If you remember Frank gorshin, 

602
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,800
who played The Riddler, I do? 
Yes, Batman. 

603
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,800
Frank, Frank. 
Sorry to drop your Frank 

604
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,300
gorshin. 
Had The Misfortune of appearing 

605
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:26,300
as one of the acts on Ed 
Sullivan. 

606
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:30,100
Show the night, The Beatles were
on the First Time The Beatles a 

607
00:39:30,107 --> 00:39:36,600
bid and no one in that audience 
was interested at all Frank 

608
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,400
gorshin and his comedy stylings.
Yeah, it was interesting because

609
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,600
my father would have been 
interested in Frank gorshin, so 

610
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,700
he used to heightened No, that's
just slightly heightening and 

611
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,200
impersonations and he still 
wanted all teeth because the 

612
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,000
Burt Lancaster was a lot of 
teeth. 

613
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,700
Always had that smile and you 
can see it. 

614
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,700
There are just wonderful moments
in Victor matures performance 

615
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:06,000
where he's the the beauty in his
pearly whites you keep seeing. 

616
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,000
I do love the fact that they use
a Victor Mature film. 

617
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:12,300
Yep. 
In the film. 

618
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Yep. 
Which was Easy Living made in 

619
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,700
1949. 
He plays in American football 

620
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:20,800
player who suffers from a heart 
condition. 

621
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,500
Also Stars Lucille Ball and 
Lizabeth Scott who you see in 

622
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:29,300
the film. 
Can you can you give me some off

623
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:32,100
the top your head, any other 
films that have done that, where

624
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:38,500
they feature films of the, 
somebody within a feel, somebody

625
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,200
within a film, who's, in the 
news in the main film? 

626
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,800
If you know, how can I call you 
back and edit calculated to the 

627
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,800
in? 
Yeah, I can think of everything.

628
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,000
I could think of one example but
it's not a film. 

629
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:57,300
It's from an episode of Columbo.
Magoo and episode know it's 

630
00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:01,300
where it's the episode with 
Janet Leigh as though, okay? 

631
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,100
As the murderer and she's a sort
of faded actress dancer, you 

632
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,700
know, and she made loads of hit 
films in the 40s and 50s. 

633
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:16,700
And then she's, as I say, faded 
Into Obscurity and she has a 

634
00:41:16,707 --> 00:41:19,900
little screening Cinema in her 
home and she will spend most 

635
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:23,900
evenings watching her old films.
Well, I was grabbing Gloria 

636
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:28,000
Swanson. 
Is it in Sunset Boulevard? 

637
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,700
I've not seen since it better 
than she watches herself as 

638
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,200
because she's obviously as you 
know, she's the fading silent 

639
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200
movie. 
Star who is living well. 

640
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,700
But the Janet Leigh is watching 
actual Janet Lee films from or a

641
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:48,100
Janet Lee film from early 50s. 
I think Gloria Swanson's 

642
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,900
watching herself as young as she
used to write. 

643
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:52,000
I say yes. 
Right. 

644
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,700
Right, right. 
Right right. 

645
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:53,800
Okay. 
I'm a must be. 

646
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,300
I think that probably is. 
Jim will generally be as you 

647
00:41:57,308 --> 00:41:58,800
just say Janet Leigh watching a 
young. 

648
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,100
In Italy, Gloria Swanson 
watching the younger glorious. 

649
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:02,800
Well, I think that is generally 
the case. 

650
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,800
If I could think of any other 
way, I've got another one. 

651
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,700
I just thought of go on. 
It's a film called deterrence 

652
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,800
don't film from the early. 2007 
me, the limey. 

653
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,600
It's the lime in its poor cow. 
That's right. 

654
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,300
Yeah. 
That's here we go. 

655
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,500
Victor Mature must shamefully. 
I've never seen other than this.

656
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,000
I've never seen a victim at your
film. 

657
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,900
I've never seen him in a film. 
You've never seen the robe. 

658
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:32,100
No, I haven't not an Easter 
time, it's always on. 

659
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:34,500
No, no, I haven't. 
And I do like, old films. 

660
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,800
Don't get me wrong. 
I just watch My Darling, 

661
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Clementine, okay, I will write 
that down. 

662
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,400
I'm writing it down now. 
Yeah, but it did, because he's 

663
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,200
got great comedy timing. 
He's does comedy chops in this. 

664
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,900
Had he ever done comedy before 
this? 

665
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,600
Not as far as I know. 
I think he generally, you know, 

666
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,300
because he was, he's a bit of a 
hunk. 

667
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,800
Yeah. 
And he's got good. 

668
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Strong features quite been large
features as well and he 

669
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,000
generally played because in 
things like the Rope, he plays 

670
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,800
Demetrius the slaves. 
So he's you know, he's chest 

671
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,600
will be on show sort of thing 
and must in case. 

672
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,600
I forget one of my favorite 
lines in the whole of this film 

673
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,100
is when Martin Balsam. 
Mmm, we're taking a Pelham, 123 

674
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:31,600
the mounting bolts in place. 
So, Victor Mature is Tony power.

675
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,700
Only Powell who is this spading 
Hollywood movie actor. 

676
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:36,100
Yeah. 
And Martin Balsam places 

677
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:37,600
manager, Harry. 
Yes. 

678
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:44,100
And when FF goes to meet Tony 
power for the first time in his 

679
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:46,600
hotel suite, right? 
I think this, that particular 

680
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
scene is probably one of the 
best scenes in the whole of the 

681
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,300
film. 
It is just because when he walks

682
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:57,100
in to begin with the first thing
he says, as Martin Balsam opens 

683
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:01,100
the door. 
His coat Federico for Abruzzi 

684
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,300
and Martin Paulsen says 
something Eliza at him speak 

685
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:08,000
Italian. 
So now, I am 43 close Abruzzi, 

686
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,500
but that whole scene where he's 
pitching the film to Victor 

687
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,100
Mature. 
But when because, of course, 

688
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,000
Martin Balsam stunning more and 
more exasperated because he's 

689
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,300
going. 
Well, what's the film? 

690
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:25,000
What's that picture about? 
And then sellers walks over to 

691
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,900
the window of the hotel room and
just Points to the window. 

692
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,400
And says, that's what it's about
pointing to outside. 

693
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,300
And there's a beautiful pause 
and Victor Mature goes widows. 

694
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,200
Just love that, man. 
And it's the same as when he 

695
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,800
sang when Martin Balsam, then 
says, well, what about a 

696
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,200
contract and sellers is mmm, as 
for Britt see, then grabs. 

697
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,900
Victor Mature, gives him a kiss 
on the cheek and says that's my 

698
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:54,900
contract. 
And Martin boss and says can I 

699
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:59,600
have a copy for my lawyer? 
It's just Just a wonderful. 

700
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,600
And I have watched film about 
three or four times over the 

701
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,400
last week, I was also watching 
the two members of his sellers 

702
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,000
gang in that scene. 
And there's a wonderful moment 

703
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,400
where the want the, the more 
gormless one with the curly 

704
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,100
hair, who was actually a french 
actor, okay, Mac ronay who was a

705
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,200
French acrobat. 
So some of those shots, you know

706
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,000
when you see them leaping onto 
the top of the where the camera 

707
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600
is it's a shooting and are 
leaping up sides of the 

708
00:45:26,607 --> 00:45:29,900
building. 
He could actually Do that. 

709
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,400
But there's a the two of them in
that scene that he's constantly 

710
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,200
trying to steal fruit in the 
background and he finally steals

711
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:44,000
Martin bosses banana. 
The you just they are constantly

712
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,200
doing something in the 
background while, you know, 

713
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,700
Sellers and mature. 
But I just think that whole 

714
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:53,000
scene is just beautifully played
well. 

715
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,900
I think that before FF even gets
in the room when we first see. 

716
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:02,800
Victor Mature and and Harry in 
the hotel room. 

717
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,000
There's great back and forth 
between them. 

718
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,600
Look at those teeth are okay. 
Just look at them. 

719
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,900
How many people are the world 
over? 

720
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:14,100
40? 
Can still say? 

721
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,400
They have their own teeth? 
And how many people in the world

722
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,100
over 50 can still say they're 
only 40? 

723
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:20,700
Hello, I want to talk to 
Hollywood California, please. 

724
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:25,700
I would I'm speaking English. 
Look at this. 

725
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,600
This. 
Look at this solid as a rock. 

726
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:31,600
Come on there. 
Give me hit the stomach. 

727
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,800
I'll hit you later, Tony. 
I'm making a call. 

728
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,200
That's right. 
Sam duffman of devilment 

729
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,800
Studios, that's one shot the 
stomach Harry, excuse me 

730
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,600
operate, I have to hit someone 
and I wrote down, I was getting 

731
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:50,700
some, some Troy McClure vibes 
from from Victor Mature. 

732
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,400
The character of the victim of 
jurors playing. 

733
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:55,600
Yes, he's, you know what he says
to he says, to Harry. 

734
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Come on, hit me in the stomach. 
And - Canary sort of what do you

735
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,100
mean and then eventually it's a 
and then, you know, Victor 

736
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:08,600
Mature, doesn't Flinch, sorry 
30-pound doesn't Flinch keeps 

737
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,900
the smile, the smile, the teeth 
and then he excused himself 

738
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:15,900
because into the next room and 
just basically collapses on the 

739
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:19,000
floor. 
You kind of wonder how that 

740
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,200
whole role was pitched to Victor
Mature. 

741
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,900
We want you to play pretty much 
a self dried up. 

742
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,100
Yeah, your best work is behind 
you. 

743
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:30,500
You've got a few too many 
wrinkles. 

744
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,100
We want you to send yourself up 
and he does it beautifully. 

745
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,300
Yeah yeah. 
I mean the hair dye. 

746
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:42,100
Yeah as you say the teeth it's 
to there's the line that's the 

747
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,900
line, you mentioned, near Route,
neo-realism and and Harry's 

748
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,500
definition of neo-realism is no 
money. 

749
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:54,700
Well yes, I mean it's, you know,
it's shooting on the hoof. 

750
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:03,000
It's interesting talking about 
money because de Sica was, he 

751
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,800
was in debt to seek. 
It was a gambler, right 

752
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,300
constantly was gambling. 
He didn't, he always went for 

753
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,000
the quick fix. 
So we didn't play things, such 

754
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,300
as poker or Bridge. 
He played pontoon or roulette 

755
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:21,900
and the everyday. 
So generally de Sica would take 

756
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,100
it. 
There would be a two hour lunch 

757
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:29,000
break and then you have an 
hour's nap and and but every day

758
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:33,200
at 4:00 p.m., he would make a 
telephone call to when this is 

759
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,100
when they're on the island of 
ischia he would telephone of a 

760
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:41,400
casino in Monte Carlo and put 
money Lera on the roulette 

761
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:42,900
wheel. 
And I need to be on the phone, 

762
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:45,200
listening to the sound of the 
ball, going round and round and 

763
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,100
round. 
And in generally the people 

764
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,900
heard him swear in Italian and 
then slammed the phone down. 

765
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,200
So Neil Simon thinks that 
DeCicco kind of took this film 

766
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,900
on because to pay Freezing pay 
for his debts. 

767
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:01,600
Hmm. 
But of course de Sica. 

768
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,000
We can't miss out. 
The de Sica appears in the film.

769
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:08,500
Yes doesn't make. 
Lovely Cameo from himself and 

770
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:12,700
which of course helps move the 
plot of the film along because 

771
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,400
our do vannucci and his gang 
steel and all the equipment. 

772
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,700
Well they're all Disick is film.
Yeah, Rick said that the secret 

773
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:26,200
is filming a film called flight 
from Egypt. 

774
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:29,100
Yeah. 
And It's a Biblical epic and 

775
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:35,300
there's someone supposedly John 
Huston noses, it's tall enough 

776
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:37,500
to be John Huston. 
But yeah, yeah. 

777
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,300
And then of course, they set the
fans going to whip up a 

778
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:44,500
sandstorm which obliterates all 
view or vision and as the same 

779
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:48,100
players Aldo and the Gang have 
stolen all the film equipment 

780
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,600
and to seek is just sat there 
set there on that. 

781
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,200
They're yes on the ground and 
isn't his assistant in their 

782
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,900
underwear and Left in their 
underwear. 

783
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,400
Yes. 
One of the things that if you 

784
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,400
read enough Peter Sellers 
biographies, as I did, when I 

785
00:50:07,408 --> 00:50:12,100
was younger, whenever this film 
was covered that, there was 

786
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:16,900
always the same quote from 
sellers regarding de. 

787
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:21,100
Sica sellers was quoted as 
saying he thinks in Italian, I 

788
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:26,000
think in English and that's the 
quote, I've picked up as well. 

789
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,300
Yeah. 
And at one point, I believe 

790
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:34,500
Sellers as as what's his wand, 
he It having to seek a fired and

791
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:37,900
replaced by his old chum, Joe 
McGrath yeah. 

792
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Whoo. 
If used keep refusing to hit but

793
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,000
who would actually end up 
working with sellers on the next

794
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,000
sellers project which was the 
disastrous Casino Royale 

795
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,400
Christina. 
Oh yeah, hmm. 

796
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,500
Yes. 
Because there's another code a 

797
00:50:52,508 --> 00:50:56,300
story to the Joe McGrath so I 
gathered that cell has decided 

798
00:50:56,300 --> 00:51:00,100
on a whim that he wanted, every 
member of the cast and crew to 

799
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:06,700
have to beat British sausages, 
And that's why don't, you know, 

800
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:11,400
coming from a country that 
produces, you know, salami? 

801
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:13,400
Yeah, prosciutto. 
I mean, the list is endless. 

802
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:19,100
I mean, I could myself, I could 
permanently graze on Italian 

803
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:24,000
meats and cheeses that I've, and
I will be in my element and he 

804
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,400
had. 
So Joe McGrath, through sellers,

805
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:34,200
had the sausages helicoptered 
from Harrods to Airports in 

806
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,300
probably Heathrow. 
I'm an imagined and then it was 

807
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:44,600
the sorties were flown to Rome 
to Napoli and then transported 

808
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,500
to this Kia. 
So people could have British 

809
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,400
sausages. 
Wow, we're talking about 

810
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,900
sellers, you know, trying to 
remove Vittorio de Sica because 

811
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,900
Britt ekland said that she 
thought that he was, he was at 

812
00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:00,000
that stage in his career where 
he thought he was better 

813
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,900
qualified to direct his movies. 
Then established directors, and 

814
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:10,500
I can imagine that cell has had 
only directed one. 

815
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,400
Film Pride will hit. 
Yeah. 

816
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,900
He directed one film, which was 
mr. 

817
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:22,000
Topaz, what he was loud? 
It was 1960, 61, right. 

818
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,400
And it was not a happy film was 
not a to sit success of. 

819
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,200
No. 
Yeah, I mean it's interesting 

820
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,200
cuz sellers would work, you 
know, we'll work, it was working

821
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:37,700
with thinner it. 
We've been Kubrick and it I just

822
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:44,400
think he had one hell of an ego.
It did, he did interestingly 

823
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,300
just on that? 
What's that why what whose idea 

824
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,700
do you think it was? 
Because I'm I'm sure that Neil 

825
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:56,700
Simon didn't come up with this 
himself. 

826
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:02,500
Whose idea was, was it to have a
quote phone call from Sophia? 

827
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:07,000
Yes. 
Well, of course, bearing in mind

828
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,200
this is the is not credited on 
the. 

829
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,800
If I remember, right? 
He's not credited on the opening

830
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,300
credits and the opening credits,
by the way, I absolutely 

831
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,200
fabulous. 
And the song is, Oh yeah. 

832
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,900
And when I was a young boy, I 
think now that, you know, that 

833
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:25,200
Drew me in straight away. 
I mean, the song is just an area

834
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,300
where that it's just stays in 
your head forever. 

835
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:33,400
And it's my favorite is one of 
my favorite film songs of all 

836
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,200
time and wonderful credit. 
Which, of course were the Bob 

837
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,300
Morris England binder Bender? 
Yeah. 

838
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,800
Yeah. 
Who's James Bond? 

839
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,600
That's right. 
And, and so he designed Morris 

840
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,300
printed design, the, the opening
credits, which, which is this 

841
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:53,600
cartoon fox, and he's trying to 
get gold and he's being, he's 

842
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,500
being obstructed in this aim by 
various members of police and 

843
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:02,800
it's, it's animated by a guy 
called Dick horn. 

844
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,800
Yes, whoo, I was working it 
corn, something to do with the 

845
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,500
Beatles. 
Yeah, he was working on the 

846
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,800
Beatles cartoon TV series. 
Yeah. 

847
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,600
And Bender had worked on had 
done the design. 

848
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,400
The mouse that roared title 
sequence. 

849
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,600
So a lot of a lot of sellers 
films from the late 50s to, to 

850
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,500
the sort of late 60s, had 
animated title sequences. 

851
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:31,000
There was, was there a conscious
and over attempt for this film 

852
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,900
for after the fox to be compared
with, The previous sellers film.

853
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:38,500
What's new pussycat? 
Well, yes, because the tagline 

854
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,300
was you caught the Pussycat now?
Chase the fox? 

855
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,500
The fox? 
Yeah and and and the the title 

856
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:51,600
sequence, it's again, it's just,
it's got this Echoes of the 

857
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:52,900
what's new pussycat? 
Yes. 

858
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Title sequence. 
And isn't what's new pussycat? 

859
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200
Was that written by Burt 
Bacharach and Hal David, 

860
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,100
absolutely yeah. 
Yeah, by the way, obviously The 

861
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:07,800
Hollies He's saying the theme 
tune with sellers, providing 

862
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,900
little asides, which is 
fantastic. 

863
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:13,600
However, it didn't chart. 
Did it not? 

864
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,800
Well, it will let you know, mind
you, there's a lot of good 

865
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,100
things in the charts and 9066, I
guess. 

866
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:24,700
Wonderful, Junior Choice, one of
my noticed on Twitter. 

867
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:28,400
When the guy that communicate 
with on Twitter guy called Alan 

868
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Des message. 
Me and he said that he saw The 

869
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,600
Hollies on tour in the late 90s.
And they played after the fox 

870
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,000
with sellers voice, lift from 
the original recording and 

871
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,100
queued in live by the keyboard 
player. 

872
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,500
One, that's great. 
So I need to you you asked me a 

873
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:50,100
question about Sofia Loren 
though. 

874
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:51,500
Yea Yea the phonecall. 
Yes. 

875
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,900
Sorry. 
Yeah, so it's not credited on 

876
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:58,700
there but there are two writers.
There is De Seekers writer 

877
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:04,500
churches are is 17 e who was 
with de Sica from around about 

878
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,500
9. 
Team early 1940s. 

879
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:12,000
So you worked with the Seeker 
throughout that, you know, 40s 

880
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,400
50s, excetera, Etc, and the 
wonderful meeting he had with 

881
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Neil Simon at the Savoy, and he 
17, he didn't speak a word of 

882
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,300
English. 
And he opened the door to the 

883
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:33,300
old Simon and sin buongiorno. 
And then Neil Simon said that, 

884
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:38,600
he then, Spoke back to him and 
he said, buongiorno grad C and 

885
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,400
Neil Simon said, well that was 
all my vocab in Italian and then

886
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,600
they sat there for 30 minutes 
just leaving through magazines 

887
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,600
until The Interpreter arrived 
and apparently, first, 

888
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,600
interpreter was awful, they come
actually another interpreter in.

889
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:55,600
And then, I mean, this is 
really, how marvelous Neil Simon

890
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,800
was as a writer as well. 
The idea is that 17? 

891
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,500
He was bringing he about three 
days later, he was able to go 

892
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:04,700
back for another meeting with 
him with the changes. 

893
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:06,200
The script. 
So you have this. 

894
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,900
So you've got sort of this 
English, Italian hybrid of a 

895
00:57:10,908 --> 00:57:16,200
script being written than by 
these two wonderful writers. 

896
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,500
And I think maybe the it's 
interesting with us to feel 

897
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:23,200
around gag because, of course, A
Feeling Ren de Sica are. 

898
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,300
As one Sofia, Loren the, her 
Academy Award that she won for 

899
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:30,800
two women and was directed by De
Sica. 

900
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,900
She was the first foreign actor 
to win the academy. 

901
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,500
Emmy Award, you know, to win the
Academy Award for that film. 

902
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:41,700
So her close affiliation with de
Sica, and of course, sellers 

903
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:48,300
obsession with the feeler N. 
I hope it wasn't sellers idea, I

904
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:54,300
hope it was 17 into Seekers, and
idea, to put that in because I 

905
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:58,800
imagine that de Sica would be 
aware through severe lower end 

906
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,700
of sellers Devotion to her. 
I do hope that's the case below.

907
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,600
It would probably have tickled 
Summers fancy. 

908
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,100
Hello. 
Just a minute Milano. 

909
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:23,500
Hello Sofia. 
Hello my darling. 

910
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:30,400
You know, Sophia I told you I'm 
busy with the Tony pal, I'm 

911
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,600
sorry, Sophia, you will have to 
get somebody else. 

912
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,300
Sofia the, I'm sorry my darling,
there's no path for you in the 

913
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,700
picture. 
Would I lie to you? 

914
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Sofia, Sofia. 
Don't Tony talked to this girl. 

915
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,700
She's hysterical. 
She's hysterical. 

916
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:48,700
Talk to her. 
Please. 

917
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:49,800
Hello. 
Hello. 

918
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,900
Sofia. 
She hung up, she'll kill me. 

919
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:56,100
She'll kill me, it'll be 
annoying. 

920
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:58,100
Italian newspapers. 
Why don't you two? 

921
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,800
I've just remembered something 
regarding Sellers and sort of 

922
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,200
behavior with Britt ekland when 
they came back after filming 

923
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,200
Neil. 
Simon flew back with them and 

924
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,500
they came back to London. 
Then we're going to watch a sort

925
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:16,500
of rough print of the film. 
And they were In the cards 

926
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,500
together making their way and 
they drink, they were driving 

927
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:21,200
through the wall, West End, and 
Britt. 

928
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:27,800
Ekland noticed The Odd Couple 
was on the play with Jack 

929
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,700
Klugman and Victor spaghetti 
playing the roles, right? 

930
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:35,100
And she said she said, oh look, 
look Peter there's Neil's play. 

931
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,800
We must go and see it. 
And I gather that Neil Simon 

932
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,000
said that sellers in a rage 
said, what the hell's going on 

933
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,400
between you two and then Neil 
Simon Wonderful thing in his 

934
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,400
Memoir. 
He said that what could have 

935
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,900
happened when she said it was 
look. 

936
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:52,800
Oh, look Peter, there's 
chekhov's, the seagull. 

937
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:55,500
Let's go and see it. 
Then sellers would have replied 

938
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,000
what the hell's going on with 
you and that dead Russian. 

939
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:02,600
But there you are. 
There's another, you know, that 

940
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:08,600
controlling I want to just very 
briefly the chief of police in 

941
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:12,900
in what's the buzz the little 
village called severely oh Devon

942
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,400
earlier. 
So they've DeCamp to this. 

943
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,000
Coastal Village where the boat 
is going to bring in the golden.

944
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,600
They're going to film this 
fictional film that they're 

945
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:29,100
making with Jody Powell and Gina
Romantica and every member of 

946
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:34,300
The Village wants to be involved
as well, but the chief of police

947
01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:37,200
probably foremost among them 
because he's good morning. 

948
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,100
Good morning. 
Now I gather that actor had to 

949
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:43,200
learn his lines phonetically 
because he didn't speak English,

950
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,800
is that? 
Yes, that's a Lando. 

951
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:50,200
Bazinga Ron, you probably don't 
know for Monte Carlo or bust. 

952
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,800
Oh well I'm not seeing that for 
many years and Anakin yes. 

953
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,400
Yes he plays the leading Italia.
Roll Em. 

954
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,700
Okay. 
Okay we have this courtroom 

955
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:04,400
scene where the whole village 
essentially is on trial and 

956
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,800
it's, there's always that 
Bittersweet tone to the film 

957
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:14,200
during this because you see Tony
Powell realizing that he's been 

958
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,400
maybe total fool of in this 
film. 

959
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:24,300
Yes, and his face Falls and and 
the footage that they show is so

960
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,600
amateur amateur. 
This also sending up Italian 

961
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,300
done. 
Whenever one of the reasons why 

962
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:31,200
I disiike, am may have taken on 
this film. 

963
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,700
It is also sending up the sort 
of emergence that came in the 

964
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,500
late 50s, early 60s of Italian 
films with with people such Is 

965
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:48,000
Fellini and antonioni the sort 
of, you know, jerky cutting of 

966
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,300
the film, The close-ups. 
Sure. 

967
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:53,800
And things going out of focus 
and I think the Seeker is 

968
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,300
enjoying sort of ripping his 
fellow film directors. 

969
01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:02,500
And I love the fact that I mean,
it's not spoiling it for anyone 

970
01:02:02,500 --> 01:02:04,500
who hasn't seen it. 
But when the in the, in the 

971
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:07,700
courtroom with the film critic 
gets up and applauds the fill 

972
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:11,300
and you may find a strange time.
Sure. 

973
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:16,900
But I would actually like to see
the god of Cairo, the way it was

974
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,900
shot. 
Yeah, because they're all, I 

975
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:22,300
just love it when Tony powder. 
When he, when he, when he, when 

976
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:24,800
he falls into the chair. 
I just it's a beautiful shot in.

977
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,400
There's that lovely bit of 
Martin Balsam. 

978
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,200
We just moaning right into the 
camera lens and of course this, 

979
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,400
you know, Britt ekland. 
You know, there's a lovely nose 

980
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,300
to be shot from underneath. 
Hmm. 

981
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:39,000
To mate Brick. 
Heck man, look ugly. 

982
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,800
Yeah, yeah. 
No, I actually, I actually 

983
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,100
really want to see that film. 
I'd like to see. 

984
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:48,600
I wish there was more of it. 
Well because yeah, because 

985
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,800
Federico for bring disease, it 
is just improvising. 

986
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:59,500
He they don't have a script. 
So he says he tells Gina and 

987
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:02,800
Tony to run, just go just go 
running and they run around the 

988
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:03,600
whole village. 
I think. 

989
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,200
Don't know, remind me is Tony, 
wearing a trench coat, I think 

990
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,200
he is, isn't he? 
Yes, he is and then he decides 

991
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,900
it. 
Isn't he later on and decides to

992
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:13,900
remove his trademark, his 
trademark check trench coat? 

993
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:20,600
Yes, which is another I'm sure 
he didn't bit did Victor. 

994
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,900
Mature will have upon shown for 
trench coats in his films Dino. 

995
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:26,700
I reckon he probably did. 
That is a good. 

996
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:28,300
Queen Question. 
Can we come back? 

997
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,400
It doesn't matter then and I'll 
give you the right answer. 

998
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,200
Yeah. 
This doesn't that bit out. 

999
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,400
Okay. 
Okay. 

1000
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:43,700
But yes, so so Aldo vannucci is 
sent back to prison and I'm not 

1001
01:03:43,707 --> 01:03:46,700
going to spoil anything because 
I think, as I said, I remember, 

1002
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:53,900
is I remember being as a young 
boy seeing this film and it was 

1003
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:56,800
just one of those endings where 
I just sort of looked at the 

1004
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:04,700
screen went, what kind of again?
Because, of course we've had a 

1005
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:09,400
precursor to this scene. 
Earlier on in the film. 

1006
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,500
And I would like to point out 
that the doctor, the prison 

1007
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:17,900
Doctor Who was paid by pierluigi
Peterson is his one and only 

1008
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:21,200
film, okay? 
He's not an actor, but he was 

1009
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,200
chosen for his, he's a costume 
designer. 

1010
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:26,700
Right? 
So he from a distance, if he 

1011
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:30,000
squinted, he could pass for 
sellers in a beer to Sellers and

1012
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,000
glasses, we've Garces on. 
So there's that thing of 

1013
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,700
neo-realism using somebody who's
not an actor, which is also The 

1014
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:43,200
same for Aldo and Gina's mother 
is played by Lydia, Brad. 

1015
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,700
See, who was the wife of the 
Italian actor? 

1016
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,100
Rossano Brazzi Rosanna brother 
to you probably know from South 

1017
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:54,600
Pacific and David lean 
summertime and Neil. 

1018
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,000
Simon said that this seeker at 
audition. 

1019
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,600
Lots and lots of women to play 
mama venucci and they went out 

1020
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,000
to dinner and this is when Neil 
Simon said you, See the 

1021
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,500
magnetism of De Sica. 
He would go into a restaurant 

1022
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:13,800
and every everyone would stop 
and he would be given all the 

1023
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,900
best food, and he was in the 
restaurant here, in the 

1024
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:18,800
restaurant, he looked across, 
and there's Rosanna Brad. 

1025
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,300
See with his wife. 
Lydia, and he went to Neil 

1026
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:24,300
Simon. 
I found none of an Uchi and he 

1027
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:25,900
went over. 
He knew Rosanna Brad. 

1028
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:29,700
See, and he said to Lydia Brad. 
See said, would you like to be 

1029
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:31,500
in my film? 
And she said, I'm not an actor 

1030
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,700
and he said all come and have a 
test and she did, and then she 

1031
01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:40,100
is melzer. 
And would you like to would you 

1032
01:05:40,107 --> 01:05:43,100
like to guess how old she was 
when she made that film? 

1033
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:49,200
Mmm. 
Well, is it a bit of a? 

1034
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,700
It's a hoary Old Chestnut. 
That Italian women aged very 

1035
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:56,800
well because of all the olive 
oil was, that was outright. 

1036
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,500
And so she, she was either. 
She was either, it's either 

1037
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:04,000
going to be, she was even 
something like 90, or she was a 

1038
01:06:04,008 --> 01:06:08,000
today 31. 
The one who's the same age as 

1039
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,200
sellers? 
No, yes. 

1040
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,300
So says they're both 40, the 
roundabout for she's really. 

1041
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:15,800
Yeah. 
Oh my God. 

1042
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:22,700
Obviously they, you know, but 
still make up on and greater 

1043
01:06:22,700 --> 01:06:24,900
hair and but still on them. 
Yes, it will. 

1044
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,100
Please mention David Lodge by 
the way because I know David 

1045
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:29,000
Lodge. 
Yes. 

1046
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,600
So God would be completely 
forgot to me. 

1047
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,800
There's an obligatory David 
Lodge mentioned in every show 

1048
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:38,900
and this this week, so it right 
at the beginning, there's this 

1049
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:40,200
lovely to but Morris 10. 
Mm. 

1050
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,600
Of course, not mention my worst 
enemy. 

1051
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,800
So, Maurice denim. 
So we have the, the actual 

1052
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,000
pre-credit sequence Which is the
actual Boolean. 

1053
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,300
Van is robbed. 
Yes. 

1054
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:51,700
Have you managed? 
Because he, I mean, I know 

1055
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:53,900
you're a stickler for detail. 
I hope that you've managed to 

1056
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:56,400
track down that copy of Playboy 
that the security. 

1057
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:01,500
No, I have not, okay, of such 
things but but the, the robbery 

1058
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:02,600
occurs. 
Then we have the credit 

1059
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,200
sequence, the wonderful credit 
sequence. 

1060
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,800
And by the way, the incidental 
music that's throughout this 

1061
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,600
film is great as so 1966, isn't 
it? 

1062
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,200
And it down in the Italian 
version? 

1063
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,700
It's not, it's not, it's 
Italian. 

1064
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:17,800
So Is actually a different score
on the Italian. 

1065
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,600
Alright? 
Okay, but we have this soon as 

1066
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,000
the opening credits are over, we
have what we can as I'm assuming

1067
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,800
it's like, it's mentally 
Interpol. 

1068
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:32,100
Would you would you say? 
Yeah, I would go into pot. 

1069
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,400
We have it. 
And we have Morris denim who had

1070
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,200
obviously worked sellers on 
two-way. 

1071
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,200
Stretch, he was the prison 
Governor. 

1072
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:45,600
Hmm, two-way, stretch, but he is
addressing this Committee of I 

1073
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,200
guess. 
Yes, police Commissioners or 

1074
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:55,000
lawmaking law enforcers and they
are his, they are debating Who 

1075
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,400
The Mastermind behind the gold 
robbery could be. 

1076
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,500
And we have this lovely little 
sequence is this for likely 

1077
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:06,000
suspects. 
The first one is an elderly. 

1078
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,000
We cut to this elderly Frenchman
in a wheelchair. 

1079
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:12,400
In a wheelchair. 
He's he known as the cat or 

1080
01:08:12,408 --> 01:08:14,800
something. 
I didn't write it down. 

1081
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:19,899
And he great, he's in a park and
he just sort of slowly Wheels as

1082
01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:22,300
well. 
Cheer up to this like Dowager 

1083
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:26,300
looking lady and grabs her 
handbag and then very, very 

1084
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:31,000
slowly Will's himself away and 
she just what does she do? 

1085
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,600
She just walks up to him and 
grabs the bag back with a sort 

1086
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:40,000
of indulgent smile on her face 
and then we have the second 

1087
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,899
suspect is an Irishman I can do 
Riley. 

1088
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,000
Michael O'Reilly who has it 
would appear? 

1089
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,500
He's developed extreme. 
What is that myopia? 

1090
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,000
Yeah. 
And and he and he actually 

1091
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,100
wanders into a police station 
and of course, who was the 

1092
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,100
policeman in charge? 
It's David Lodge. 

1093
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:07,399
David Lodge playing one of the 
17 because I counted them, one 

1094
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:12,300
of the 17 policeman. 
He played on film and television

1095
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,600
in his compelling uncredited as 
is Michael. 

1096
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,000
Oh, They use played by Timothy 
Bateson, who, of course, is the 

1097
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,500
voice of the worm, in Labyrinth.
There you go. 

1098
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:23,899
There you go. 
Useless piece of shit. 

1099
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:29,800
Yes, whereas I think the 
gentleman who plays the French, 

1100
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:34,200
I think he's actually credited 
as is your final criminal? 

1101
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:38,399
Felix Kessler? 
Yes, German he is on the credits

1102
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,100
as well. 
And he's to hear that in the 

1103
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:46,200
reason why it cannot be him is 
because he has been eaten, too 

1104
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:50,899
many cream cakes or kanak first.
Whatever it is, they eat in 

1105
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,899
Germany and he's too huge to get
through. 

1106
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:01,100
I have a question, I do have a 
sort of a question about that is

1107
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:03,900
too large to leave the bank. 
Yeah. 

1108
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:06,100
How did he get in the bank in 
the first? 

1109
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:08,600
That's a very good question. 
It's that sort of question that 

1110
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,300
just It shows up all the holes 
in this film script, you know, 

1111
01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:15,700
I'm still in Port, I mean new 
assignment because I ride for 

1112
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:18,500
this coffee, goody absolute 
come, run for tough. 

1113
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:21,800
And I gather, I mean, I think 
the film is fantastic. 

1114
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,200
I think it's one of sellers best
films and but it was not a huge 

1115
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,300
commercial success or a critical
success. 

1116
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:32,600
Many many critics seem to lay 
the blame for the film, not 

1117
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,600
being a success, on De Sica. 
Yes. 

1118
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,500
And and what are the things I 
read was that there seemed to be

1119
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:44,500
this Narrative that he had put 
together a rather poor cast of 

1120
01:10:44,508 --> 01:10:49,200
supporting actors who were a bit
out of their depth alongside the

1121
01:10:49,208 --> 01:10:55,500
Maestro sellers, if you like I 
mean this is really for the 

1122
01:10:55,500 --> 01:11:01,200
supporting players that mean 
they are literally there to be 

1123
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,500
on back and cords or whatever. 
L, do venucci I think I mean I'm

1124
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,500
Lydia brat see as the mama of 
course the the two policemen. 

1125
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:11,900
Oh yeah. 
That we mustn't. 

1126
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:15,100
Miss out the two policemen who 
have their own wonderful piece 

1127
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:18,200
of theme music whenever they 
appear in and the tall. 

1128
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,000
One who never speaks always 
reminds me of Ron mail from 

1129
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,100
Sparks. 
Oh yes. 

1130
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:30,700
Now you say that yes and they I 
mean it's not a lot for some of 

1131
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:32,800
the others to do that. 
I mean, as I say, if you, if you

1132
01:11:32,808 --> 01:11:38,400
go back and watch that scene in 
the hotel suite when for the 

1133
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,600
recall for Abruzzi is Trying to 
sell the film to Tony pal. 

1134
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:49,200
Do watch the, to his two gang 
members doing little bits of 

1135
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,200
business and they are wonderful 
little bit where sellers is 

1136
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,500
saying, you know, saying I hear 
an ocean and I hear a heartbeat 

1137
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:57,600
yes. 
Yeah, you know, I did look, I 

1138
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,700
did look up some reviews of the 
time because the film is in the 

1139
01:12:01,700 --> 01:12:05,600
UK was released end of October 
beginning, and sorry, end of 

1140
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,100
September. 
Beginning of October, and the 

1141
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:10,700
September beginning of October 
and 1966. 

1142
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,000
So of course there you are 
watching this film in beautiful 

1143
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,600
sunshine and, you know, probably
starting to rain. 

1144
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,000
Yeah, yeah, but you've just said
the World Cup, haven't you? 

1145
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:25,000
The some of the reviews? 
I've found the financial time. 

1146
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,200
Well, first of all the New York 
Times said that they thought the

1147
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,300
Peter Sellers acted on a level 
of Jerry Lewis, bro. 

1148
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:37,900
I know broad comedy was the was 
what they were saying they're 

1149
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:41,200
the financial times asked. 
Question is to Seeker at a 

1150
01:12:41,208 --> 01:12:44,300
disadvantage, directing a film 
in English, or isn't he very 

1151
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:47,500
good at comedy? 
Or isn't he very good anymore? 

1152
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,200
Very so we had the Sunday 
Express said, as entertainment, 

1153
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:56,900
all this would appear as 
foolproof as a tired as a tried 

1154
01:12:56,900 --> 01:13:00,000
and trusted old gag. 
The mystery is how so much 

1155
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,300
talent and money could have 
resulted in this mere silhouette

1156
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:06,900
of a comedy. 
The answer, I think is that it 

1157
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:13,700
is also thoroughly. 
Apple, they were watching a 

1158
01:13:13,708 --> 01:13:16,300
different film. 
Well, I think they were the 

1159
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:20,100
times though in this country. 
Did praise Sellers and Victor 

1160
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:23,100
Mature for their performances, 
okay? 

1161
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:27,900
From one of the papers, the 
evening news said the you know 

1162
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:30,800
that we were talking with big, 
keep talking about that scene in

1163
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,800
the hotel, with the call to 
Sofia rennick sector except they

1164
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,100
talk about that was absent 
absolutely top-notch and seen as

1165
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:42,200
well. 
I just think the things I do 

1166
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:46,100
sometimes because Victor Mature 
did say quite early on that if 

1167
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:51,100
sellers plays his cards, right, 
he could steal this picture from

1168
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:54,500
me. 
And then later on they, when he 

1169
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:57,400
saw the rushes, he said to an 
American gossip columnist call 

1170
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,800
Sheila Graham. 
If I was you, I'd sell your 

1171
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:05,800
stock in United Artists. 
I I actually think that Victor 

1172
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:13,400
Mature very, very Nearly steals 
this film from Peter Sellers. 

1173
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:21,400
Yeah, he's performance. 
Is just wonderful old. 

1174
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,700
No question of their but I think
sellers are still. 

1175
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,700
Yeah, so it says this needs a 
head, I think? 

1176
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:32,800
Yeah, he's over outstanding but 
and you can see the contrast in 

1177
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,200
the two roles between out of 
energy and Federico. 

1178
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,500
Yes, it's and I gathered that he
was when he was for the, for the

1179
01:14:38,508 --> 01:14:41,000
RICO for Britt. 
See, he was using a bit of De 

1180
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:46,700
Sica, but most of it was Mario's
a He directed him in the naked 

1181
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:49,900
truth and they didn't get on. 
Yeah, funny enough. 

1182
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:53,300
Yeah. 
So we used a lot of. 

1183
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:58,700
I gathered that he used a lot of
him when he was playing Federico

1184
01:14:58,700 --> 01:14:59,300
for Britt. 
See. 

1185
01:14:59,300 --> 01:15:00,200
Okay. 
Okay. 

1186
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,200
That makes sense. 
Makes sense and, as I said, so 

1187
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,600
yeah, the film was not a huge 
success and their no Sellers and

1188
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,300
Eklund made the Bobo the 
following year, which I haven't 

1189
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:14,200
seen for 30 plus years. 
I must track down a copy of 

1190
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,100
that. 
Watch that and then sellers 

1191
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:23,900
would in a sense work with Neil 
Simon again. 10 years later on 

1192
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:26,100
Murder by Death. 
No, yes. 

1193
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,600
Which we've covered on this 
podcast have covered. 

1194
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:34,300
Yeah, I just there's something 
I'd like to tell you about 

1195
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,400
because it has a marvelous quote
in the end from Neil Simon sure 

1196
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,100
there's a lot of superstition 
when making Italian films and 

1197
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,900
this A lot of things went wrong 
when they were shooting this 

1198
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:50,400
film. 
So first of all, when they were 

1199
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:56,400
staying in the hotel in ischia, 
Neil Simon and his wife were 

1200
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,800
there. 
He brought his wife there and 

1201
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:05,800
his family and he said, 2:00 
a.m. in the morning, he kept 

1202
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,000
hearing been room above a piano,
being moved across the floor, 

1203
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:12,800
and this went on for, about two 
or three nights and they 

1204
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,900
finally, finally spoke to a 
member of the hotel staff and 

1205
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:19,100
the hotel staff said, well, 
that's very strange. 

1206
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,800
I mean, because there's no one's
staying in the room above you, 

1207
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,800
but there is a piano in the 
room. 

1208
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:30,000
So then you'll Simon told this 
story to De Sica and the crew 

1209
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,400
and then they just looked at 
him. 

1210
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:36,200
Asked and to seek instead, leave
it with me, I'm going to change 

1211
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:41,100
your sleeping Arrangements. 
De Sica was also a man, if his 

1212
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:44,800
wherever he was staying here, if
his bed faced from east to west 

1213
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:49,100
he would always move it from 
North to South right? 

1214
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,500
Victor Mature a dream one day's 
filming whenever. 

1215
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:57,900
By the Sea, he had to about 45 
takes because he just wasn't 

1216
01:16:57,900 --> 01:16:59,800
getting it right? 
And he got angry with himself 

1217
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,900
and he threw his script. 
Into the sea, the crew stopped 

1218
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:09,800
filming. 
They salvaged the script from 

1219
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:14,500
see, scripts in Italy, in Italy 
are sort of treated as 

1220
01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:16,700
something. 
You know, you've got to treat 

1221
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:20,800
them respect the actual script, 
so they put the pages out in the

1222
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:26,100
sun to let them dry and then the
local priest came and blessed 

1223
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:31,600
the script like its members of 
the crew kept falling over. 

1224
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,700
Themselves. 
Two cars crashed into each 

1225
01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:36,800
other. 
Another car went into a shop 

1226
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:41,500
window. 
But the best story of all is, 

1227
01:17:41,700 --> 01:17:49,300
either a script woman or it was 
the wife of an Italian dignitary

1228
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,900
who came to visit. 
The set was wearing a purple 

1229
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:55,000
dress, really? 
Yep. 

1230
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:01,600
That's that's going to end badly
and everyone stopped and because

1231
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:07,600
in Italy we've lent in Lent, the
priests used to were purple 

1232
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,600
cassocks. 
Yeah. 

1233
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,900
Which means that you couldn't do
any entertaining, which meant he

1234
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:13,900
was the death of your 
profession. 

1235
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,400
So everyone stopped because of 
this, and this had to be then 

1236
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:25,900
dealt with filming on ischia. 
They're very narrow roads and 

1237
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:29,600
Victor Mature on his first day, 
his he would, plea came down 

1238
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,900
from his hotel room and he was 
waiting in his car was outside 

1239
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,900
of the chauffeur and it was a 
Fiat and he said, I'm not 

1240
01:18:37,900 --> 01:18:41,600
traveling down. 
To the set in a field and very 

1241
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,600
narrow roads. 
It would take about 30 just over

1242
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,000
30 minutes in the feet, to get 
to the bottom. 

1243
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,400
He said, no, I want a, I want a 
limousine. 

1244
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:52,000
And I'm not sure if it's 
actually the limousine that's 

1245
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,200
used in the film, but they 
managed to get him a white 

1246
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,700
limousine. 
And then the driver, apparently 

1247
01:18:58,700 --> 01:19:01,200
the driver with the chauffeur 
before he drove off actually 

1248
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,200
crossed himself. 
And instead of taking 30 

1249
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,400
minutes, it was taking it took 
an hour and then it would also 

1250
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,500
take Our to get back up. 
Oh my word. 

1251
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:16,600
Obviously somebody called Peter 
Sellers saw that Victor Mature 

1252
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,000
was turning up in a white 
limousine. 

1253
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,100
He demanded a car as well? 
They couldn't get him a white 

1254
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:24,900
one. 
They could get him a black one 

1255
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:29,600
and he came down up and down 
every time they were shooting in

1256
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,300
a Black Limousine. 
I gather also with the color of 

1257
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:37,900
the purple sellers was then band
purple himself or set sellers 

1258
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,500
sellers. 
That was a bugger for the color 

1259
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:41,000
purple. 
And, yeah, because he looks for 

1260
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,900
the film For purple and green. 
Yeah, cream is the other one. 

1261
01:19:45,900 --> 01:19:49,600
Yes, mmm. 
So this is the power of Vittorio

1262
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,400
de Sica in the end because when 
Neil Simon and his wife and 

1263
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,700
family came to join, they sat on
the set. 

1264
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,200
De Sica was absolutely adorable 
with them as was Victor Mature. 

1265
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,200
I don't know about sellers. 
Nobody said anything about 

1266
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:06,400
sellers, but Victor Mature. 
He used to take them back up in 

1267
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,000
the limousine and it was safe to
do it at that point when they 

1268
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,200
arrived because to Seeker, 
Managed to him, use his power 

1269
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,800
and the money from United 
Artists and to have the road 

1270
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,100
widened. 
Oh, so the so the car wouldn't 

1271
01:20:21,100 --> 01:20:23,800
take so long, really back and 
forth? 

1272
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,500
Yes. 
Oh my word. 

1273
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,200
And there was another thing that
used to do at the end of a day's

1274
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,400
filming in this Kia that de Sica
and Neil Simon, and the 

1275
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,600
principal cast. 
So sellers would be there before

1276
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,700
he disappeared back into his 
hotel room, they would take it 

1277
01:20:38,700 --> 01:20:43,200
in turns to have a drink and a 
member of the Forecast for them 

1278
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,600
foot the bill. 
Apparently, the only one who 

1279
01:20:45,608 --> 01:20:47,600
didn't join in with this. 
He used to manage to get all the

1280
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,800
way up to his hotel room in time
and then lean out the window of 

1281
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,900
a large glass of red and say. 
And while everyone was lifting 

1282
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:59,200
their glasses, he would say. 
So you today, and Victor Mature,

1283
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:04,300
never bought around, was always 
in his room. 

1284
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:09,000
I hope that story's true, but 
that's the power of De Sica. 

1285
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:15,500
But Neil Simon was asked about. 
About making after the fox and 

1286
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:19,900
he said, what, you know, what 
did you, what did you sort of 

1287
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:24,500
end the end come up with after 
making your first screenplay? 

1288
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:28,500
And he said, well, what I 
realized is never write a script

1289
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,100
with another script writer who 
doesn't speak a word of your 

1290
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:37,400
language never work with a 
director who only speaks half of

1291
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,200
your language and is only doing 
it for money and whatever you 

1292
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,100
do. 
Never. 

1293
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:46,300
Work on a film where somebody 
wears a purple dress? 

1294
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,100
Listen, wise counsel. 
Why don't you? 

1295
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:58,200
Yes, mmm, very good. 
These people are innocent. 

1296
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:04,400
They've been misguided misled. 
Not for gold, not for riches. 

1297
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:07,700
But for the weakness of the 
human Spirit, should we be 

1298
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:10,400
punished because we want to feed
the hunger of An Empty Soul. 

1299
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:15,500
Yes, take them away to a way if 
anyone must go to prison, it's 

1300
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:20,200
me. 
For I alone am responsible for 

1301
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,200
this crime because I'm a small 
Creek. 

1302
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,100
I go to prison, it's only the 
big Crooks that go free. 

1303
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:29,900
Is that justice justice says 
that somebody has to pay. 

1304
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:36,400
I sentence, you small, crook, 25
years, I accept it happily 

1305
01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:43,400
Knowing in my joy is hard. 
At the sister will write to her 

1306
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:47,400
brother everyday after school. 
That her mother will be 

1307
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:53,700
protected then cared for by 
friend hard-working friends. and

1308
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:57,400
that the fine actor has realized
that true Talent is never 

1309
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,300
diminished by the passing years,
but don't you worry about 

1310
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:08,100
vannucci I will be out of jail. 
April 1st at 3:00. 

1311
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,400
Yes, a g. 
Listen, thank you so much for 

1312
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:14,400
for this. 
It's been very, very enjoyable 

1313
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,100
and informative conversation 
that love to have you back again

1314
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:19,700
to talk about another film, 
another sellers film. 

1315
01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:24,300
Or even if talk about all of 
Norway, we've sort of Norway or 

1316
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:28,400
sunstruck or doctor in trouble 
for the no way. 

1317
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,500
Does have Hermione farthingale 
We was David Bowie's, 

1318
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,500
girlfriend. 
Oh, yes, yes. 

1319
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,200
And David Bowie child everywhere
was a huge fan of the goons. 

1320
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,900
You like David Bowie yesterday, 
but David Bowie, I'm sure. 

1321
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:45,000
Did he have a? 
He, he was, there's a photograph

1322
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,300
of David Bowie, wearing a 
t-shirt was song of Norway on 

1323
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:49,200
it. 
Yes, that was later. 

1324
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,300
Yes, when he came when he came 
back in in 2013 for the video 

1325
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:58,300
for where are you now? 
He wore a t-shirt. 

1326
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,700
Yeah. 
And for Hermione, That's right. 

1327
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:04,700
And Duncan Jones his son, if 
follows me on Twitter follows 

1328
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:09,300
the gumad on Twitter which is 
very, which is very nice. 

1329
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:13,100
So what are you, what projects 
are you working on at the 

1330
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:14,900
moment, Grant? 
Well I'm going to be running a 

1331
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:18,500
course very soon on ennio 
morricone. 

1332
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:20,100
All right. 
Yeah. 

1333
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,600
So going through what he did 
score over 450 films. 

1334
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,800
I'm not going through all of 
them, but it's sort of it's a 

1335
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:34,600
five-hour course and 
Highlighting some of these work 

1336
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,500
because he is one of the 
greatest composers in the 

1337
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:47,200
history of film and my other 
project which is ongoing and I'm

1338
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,700
sort of working through the 
drafts of it now. 

1339
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:50,700
But most of the meat of it is 
done. 

1340
01:24:51,700 --> 01:24:59,100
So I've been working since 2000.
The idea was in 2015 and I 

1341
01:24:59,108 --> 01:25:03,100
decided I'm a huge age, David 
Bowie, fan and all books about 

1342
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:05,500
David. 
Bowie are always obviously about

1343
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:08,500
mainly, about course, behind 
being a musician, a songwriter 

1344
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:10,800
etc, etc. 
But I was always more inch. 

1345
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:16,300
I kind of looked at his acting 
career film theater and 

1346
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:21,500
television and I thought it was 
a good idea and I met Julian 

1347
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:22,900
Temple. 
Yep. 

1348
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:26,100
Directing Boeing absolute 
beginners and Julian said I was 

1349
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:28,600
a great idea. 
What, you know, if you need any 

1350
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,000
help, just contact me and of 
course then sadly. 

1351
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:32,800
Everybody died. 
And I kind of knocked me for 

1352
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:38,400
six, for quite a while, but then
I've slowly sort of got on with 

1353
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,300
the process. 
And so, I've interview quality 

1354
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:44,200
of quite a few people, people 
hadn't been interviewed before. 

1355
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:49,100
For some of the film's he made 
and some chapters are longer 

1356
01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:51,800
than others. 
I mean, the Manna fell to us is 

1357
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,300
pretty long, but then there have
been books about the Manna fell 

1358
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:56,200
to Earth. 
So, that's the main project and 

1359
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,700
I'm sort of now, having to go 
through the drafts of all the 

1360
01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:01,600
different. 
So, every credit he has Has its 

1361
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,200
own separate chapter. 
Okay. 

1362
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,000
So he's so they'll be a chapter 
devoted to yellowbeard. 

1363
01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:08,900
Yes, there is, I've already 
written that. 

1364
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:19,600
Really, which he played. 
He played his shark a shark. 

1365
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,000
Yeah. 
But there's some good stories 

1366
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,900
that he got up to while they 
were on the because he was on 

1367
01:26:26,900 --> 01:26:30,600
holiday at the time when the 
been this galleon ship arrived. 

1368
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:35,200
With Graham Chapman. 
Eric idle, Marty Feldman etc, 

1369
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,700
etc on it. 
But Bowie was recharging his 

1370
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:43,400
batteries and then got coerced 
into her. 

1371
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,700
But he ended up having with 
being in one of the funniest 

1372
01:26:46,700 --> 01:26:48,700
times of his life. 
He said, you know, where these 

1373
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:52,600
great Comedians and and also be 
interesting through that yellow 

1374
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,200
beard. 
It's things about Marty Feldman,

1375
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,700
and David Bowie, and Bowie's 
connections with different 

1376
01:26:58,700 --> 01:27:01,900
members of the pythons, 
different sort of Interactions, 

1377
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,900
especially with Erica. 
Eric idle, of course, his 

1378
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:08,800
Godfather to David's, son to 
Duncan. 

1379
01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:11,500
Yeah, but there's all these sort
of in. 

1380
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:16,000
They met him along the way and 
Bows to huge, British comedy 

1381
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,100
fan. 
You know, the goons because he 

1382
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:21,500
did goons Impressions and, of 
course, Pete and Dad. 

1383
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:24,200
He and Brian Eno used to do. 
There's a big fan of Hancock. 

1384
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:26,200
Yeah. 
And around the horn. 

1385
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:29,800
Oh yes. 
Yeah and Eddie went to school it

1386
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,000
would have as teachers at school
was. 

1387
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,000
Peter Frampton's, dead, correct.
And and it was Peter Frampton's 

1388
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:39,000
dad that drove him to hospital 
when he had that fight, which 

1389
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,300
caused his eye to change girls, 
right? 

1390
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:44,500
Yeah. 
We had a fight over a girl. 

1391
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,400
That's right. 
That's friend George Underwood. 

1392
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,500
That's right, that's right. 
What I want to ask you? 

1393
01:27:48,508 --> 01:27:49,400
What? 
I want to end on. 

1394
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,500
Okay, cuz you mentioned you've 
also written a book about will 

1395
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:53,800
hey yeah, there is a seller's 
connection. 

1396
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,300
Well, that was going to ask you 
what's the sellers connection 

1397
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,500
when asked me the question, 
okay. 

1398
01:28:01,700 --> 01:28:06,700
Which is the better film. 
Ask a policeman or the boys in 

1399
01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:11,000
blue. 
Do you really wish me to answer?

1400
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,300
Have you seen the boys in blue? 
Which is a yes, I have. 

1401
01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:17,000
Which is a remake essentially, 
isn't it? 

1402
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:20,700
It is a remake of a policeman. 
I'm not going to pass a comment 

1403
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:25,800
in case I upset any Cannonball 
fans because I did wait the way 

1404
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,600
I could best answer that for 
you. 

1405
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,900
If somebody ever ask me, what's 
the best will have a film? 

1406
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,000
I always say it's either. 
Oh mr. 

1407
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,800
Porter or ask a policeman. 
So there's that that Kind of 

1408
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,900
answers. 
What's the better film between 

1409
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:44,300
us completely? 
So we'll, hey, I'm Peter 

1410
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:46,100
Sellers. 
So Roger Lewis for the led me to

1411
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:50,300
this will. 
Hey, in 1925 was in a Revue show

1412
01:28:50,300 --> 01:28:53,900
called vanity box, which had a 
sort of about 26, 27, different 

1413
01:28:53,900 --> 01:28:57,500
scenes and songs and we'll, hey 
Schoolmaster, he did lots of 

1414
01:28:57,500 --> 01:28:59,600
different things but the 
Schoolmaster sketch was part of 

1415
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,400
it as well. 
And this toward from about March

1416
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:07,000
middle of March to the beginning
of December of 1925, just 

1417
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:13,200
towards Over the UK and when 
they played South Sea, the Kings

1418
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,600
theater in south sea, which I 
think was in September will. 

1419
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,700
Yeah, I know he's going. 
Yep. 

1420
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:25,600
To members of the cast, minor 
members of the cast Peg and Bill

1421
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:34,100
is a good bill yet, and she gave
birth. 2, Peter Sellers as well 

1422
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:36,700
to Richard Henry, sorry. 
Yes, to give his real name. 

1423
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:38,100
Yes. 
Because he was known even though

1424
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:44,500
Peter because of the episode. 
Yeah, and I think I wrote in my 

1425
01:29:44,500 --> 01:29:47,600
book, which I'd love to rewrite,
and they did it, because it's 

1426
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:53,300
way too long and not brilliantly
written that, I hope. 

1427
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:56,700
But I don't think so because 
we'll, hey, probably probably 

1428
01:29:56,700 --> 01:29:59,100
wasn't interested in a small 
baby. 

1429
01:30:00,500 --> 01:30:02,600
But I I just hope that maybe he 
did. 

1430
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,100
Hold him. 
Yeah. 

1431
01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:09,900
And passed on the comedy. 
Baton to the young Richard at 

1432
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:13,000
the time because I gave her was 
in a couple of weeks later or 

1433
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,900
something. 
He was brought onto the stage. 

1434
01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:16,500
That's right. 
And cried out. 

1435
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:21,600
Yeah, Baldur's out. 
So that's the connection between

1436
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:26,000
will hey, Peter Sellers, what a 
lovely point to end on G. 

1437
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,300
We should pop the film on the 
same time we could have done a 

1438
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:30,600
running commentary. 
Could it onion? 

1439
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,400
Yeah, thanks again to Graham. 
Thank you for listening. 

1440
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,200
Please rate and review in usual 
places and I will see you next 

1441
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:38,200
week. 
Goodbye.