1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,960 So you 2 naughty men want to join the Bombay Irish to you? 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,480 Well, it's a tough life, I'll tell you. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,440 Do you know what it's like to be in the thick of a bloody battle 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,840 with bullets flying and save as clashing pity? 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,400 I was hoping you'd tell me what it was like. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,440 You see, I'm writing a book entitled Blood Knock VC. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,640 However, let us take the regimental loop. 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,480 I'm ready. Open your wallet and say after 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,800 me. Help yourself. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,480 Help yourself. Next. 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:32,680 Do you swear to be brave soldiers? 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,400 Yes. Never turn her back on the 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,160 enemy. Never. 14 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,880 I would speak well of a lady, always. 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,080 And respect the chest of the of a woman. 16 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Yes. Have we got nothing in common? 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Hello and welcome to Goon Pod coming to you live from the 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,720 street of 1000 households and I've cleaned that up and and we 19 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,000 will talk about that later. I'm sure we will talk about 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,440 that. My name is Tyler Adams and this 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,880 is the podcast in which we talk about anything Goon related, 22 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,840 Sellers, Milligan, Secum, Benteen, even anything, 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,800 anything, anything that's got that's great comedy really of a 24 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,800 certain vintage. Let's, let's face it, you may 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,080 have heard a giggle in the background there. 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,240 That is, it's always a thrill to have a new guest, someone who's 27 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,720 never been on the show before. And today I have that in the 28 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,440 form of Steven Hatcher, Steve Hatcher. 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,880 And I'd like to say, Steve, welcome to the show. 30 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Tyler, it's an absolute honour to be on. 31 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,960 Thank you so much. Indeed. 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,960 And this is where the story really starts. 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:08,880 This is where the story really starts. 34 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,720 Yes, Steve, so great to have you on. 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:18,360 As I say now we were chatting. Now I I know you predominantly 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,480 because you are a regular on former guest Martin Holmes's 37 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,360 podcast Vision on Sound, of course. 38 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Yeah. I'm crop up on there from time 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,640 to time and I also do Strangers in Space with with that team, 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,240 which started as a Doctor Who podcast and now covers pretty 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,480 much all sorts of things, film and TV, even music occasionally. 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,280 You've got a real enthusiasm for for sci-fi, I guess. 43 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,440 Yeah, well, I've been running a Doctor Who fan group for 24 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,240 years now, for heaven's sake. And the Hooverville convention, 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,400 the Doctor Who convention in Derby since since 2009. 46 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,760 So yeah, Doctor Who in particular, sci-fi in general, 47 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,920 Yeah, absolutely. But the Goons goes way, way back 48 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,440 before all of that. Now there's there's a great 49 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,600 tradition stretching back to the earliest days of this show of 50 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,880 having guests on who are very much within the the Doctor Who 51 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,200 wheelhouse. Yeah, Yeah. 52 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,880 I mean, I'm not a big fan. Well, I'm not a fan, let's face 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,120 it. You don't have to be. 54 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,560 It's not, it's not compulsory. I actually found this podcast 55 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,520 because you had a friend of mine and you had Toby Haydock on and 56 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:36,120 I was doing a bit of a a Nigel Neil watch through and and I 57 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,840 know you'd had Toby on for the the episode on the the scarlet 58 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,000 capsule. So I I made a point of of 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,000 listening to that when I re listened to the the scarlet 60 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,720 capsule for my Neil watch through. 61 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,160 So there we are. That's so. 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,800 He's a he's great. I'd have him on again. 63 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,320 But the problem is that Toby himself confessed, you know, he 64 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,760 he's not an expert on the goons. He he only really knows that 65 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,480 episode. And it's because it's, it's 66 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,560 obviously based on Quasimas. Well, it's one of three Nigel 67 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,280 Neil based ones, isn't it? There's there's that, there's 68 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,600 1985 and there's Yeti, all of which are based on Nigel Neil 69 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,279 episodes and and were produced within weeks of the the TV 70 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,320 episodes going out. They were and and Spike, of 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,680 course. Spike was a good friend of Nigel 72 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,080 Neil. I understand. 73 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,360 Well, I see. OK, that. 74 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,560 Yeah, I didn't know that. There is correspondence between 75 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,080 Spike and Nigel. I think they were both, I mean 76 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,520 Nigel, my understanding Nigel Neil was, let's face it, he 77 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,280 didn't suffer fools gladly. He was a grumpy old so and so. 78 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,840 Yeah, I mean, obviously they can't get a bigger fool than 79 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,560 Milligan, so he obviously made an exception for him. 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Well, apparently he did find the the the parodies of his TV 81 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,320 shows, the Goon Show parodies often quite funny, which 82 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,920 surprised me to be honest. I I I would have expected him to 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,760 have taken against them, but no, apparently not. 84 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Any who OK so you you have joined me today to talk about 85 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:17,080 one of the most popular goon shows ever which is Dishonoured 86 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:22,800 again from series 9 which is a remake of a series 5 episode 87 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,440 called just simply Dishonoured. I'm very grateful you gave me 88 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,400 that one actually, because because I said to you just pick 89 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,280 one for me rather. And I think I suggested tales of 90 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:40,320 old Dartmoor because that is one of the ones that I remember my 91 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,680 father. This is the story that everybody 92 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,880 tells you on this podcast. I think of my age anyway, that 93 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,400 they got into this via the the dads and my dad had just the one 94 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,480 Goons LP, the best of the Goon Show, which has tears of all 95 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,520 damp more on one side and claims to have Dishonored on the other 96 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,360 side, but it's actually dishonored again. 97 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,120 And those two episodes were the only goons I knew for a number 98 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,680 of years and they sort of become a bit interchangeable to me that 99 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,160 I remember. Dartmore I probably remember 100 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,920 slightly better. And I remember that lovely scene 101 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,720 of the, the Little I know if, if he knew the little I know and 102 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,560 all that sort of business, which is a wonderful bit of word play. 103 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:31,800 But listening to Dishonoured again again recently, there's a 104 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,120 lot of that that I would have said, Oh yes, that's part of 105 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,560 Dartmoor, but it's actually in Dishonoured. 106 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,480 So I'm so grateful you gave me that one. 107 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:40,600 Oh, no problem. Absolutely. 108 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Yeah. It's one of the best known shows 109 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,960 by virtue of being the 1st on the first ever LP release, as 110 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,640 you say. Now, I'm sure you know who, who, 111 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,640 who decided on those two shows. I don't. 112 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,200 I would have thought it might be Milligan, but go on. 113 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,520 No, no. Certain gentleman by the name of 114 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,520 George Martin. That makes sense because they're 115 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,160 EMI Palophone, aren't they? Yeah. 116 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,120 So he, I'm not sure what process he followed to decide upon the. 117 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,960 I'm sure he may have had some help. 118 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Well he was a friend of Sellers wasn't he? 119 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,120 Because he worked on Sellers records. 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,360 So it's possibly Aston or. Possible. 121 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,480 I mean, of course that was issued in. 59. 59, which was the 122 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,240 same year that that Dishonoured the game went out. 123 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,920 So it was very fresh in the mind, I guess of, of people like 124 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Sellers. OK, so so you've, you've those 125 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,800 two shows you're very familiar with. 126 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,520 Did you then go on as a young man to discover other Goon 127 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,280 shows? Well, yeah, I was born in 1958 128 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,600 and I've actually just checked it up. 129 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 I was just as Doctor Who fans, we always like to say, Oh yes, 130 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,200 my Doctor Who birth story is, and I've never had one of those 131 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,400 because I was born before Doctor Who started. 132 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:01,080 So I was born in September 58 between or rather during the the 133 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,120 run of Vintage goons, the transcription service series. 134 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,960 They repeated. They broadcast six of those for 135 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,120 the for the for the first time, didn't they? 136 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,240 And I was born between the first of those, the mummified priest 137 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,920 and the second, the greatest mountain in the world. 138 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,600 So that's that's when I was born there. 139 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Because yeah, because those six, there were 6 vintage Yeah, 140 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,200 broadcast just immediately before the 9th series. 141 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,320 I believe that's right. That's right. 142 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,679 So during the 60s, I just got this, this, this LP. 143 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,520 But I've actually got my hand here, my dad's own LP from from 144 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,520 1959. And the the big moment from me, 145 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:46,160 I would have been the 50th anniversary of the BBC in 1972 146 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,040 when they did a series called The Great Shows introduced by 147 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:55,880 Ted Ray and they picked a random, it seemed episode of of 148 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,480 various radio comedies from over the 50 years. 149 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,800 And there were things like it's that man again. 150 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,160 It may take it from he bandwagon. 151 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,200 And of course the goons and the goon show they repeated then was 152 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,400 the jet propelled guided Nafi. So that thought that then and 153 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,640 then it seemed quite soon after that, or maybe even just before 154 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,960 that, they repeated the reason why the one, the one about 155 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,320 Cleopatra's needle without, without the without the 156 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,360 audience. So there was those two. 157 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,840 And then then it became a bit more a bit more common. 158 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,280 They started repeating. The other big thing then was the 159 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,200 Goonshoe script book in 72 wasn't tried for Christmas of 160 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,600 72. And that introduced me to all 161 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,920 sorts of shows then that I'd never heard. 162 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,800 But of course, being a fan of the Goons, I could absolutely 163 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,520 hear the voices as I was reading the scripts. 164 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,160 So that that was an absolute treasure. 165 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,280 I was fortunate enough to be able to write a little piece 166 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:06,200 about those script books for the magazine a few years ago and dug 167 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,200 into the, the history of them a little bit. 168 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 So that was, that was tremendous, tremendous pleasure. 169 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,200 And it's only then actually in researching that article that I 170 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,120 I dug about a bit on the the BBC genome and discovered all the 171 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,520 times that the goons had been repeated in the 60s when I I 172 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,800 could quite easily have listened to them but didn't didn't know 173 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,040 they were on. Not that much they they won't 174 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,520 repeat there. There was series in series of 175 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,120 repeats in 69 and dribs and drabs, I think, but just just 176 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,800 two points just based on what you've said. 177 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,760 OK, you've just reminded me we said about sellers possible 178 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,960 involvement in the selection of the shows for the best of the 179 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,640 goon shows. I think he's gone on. 180 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,320 I think I'm right in remembering this. 181 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,400 I think he went on record at one point and said that the jet 182 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,840 propel guided Nafi was his favorite good show of all. 183 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:56,920 Oh. That's interesting. 184 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,440 And you, you, you, you said you did a review of the Guin Show 185 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,120 scripts for an article. You're in good company there. 186 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,640 Do you know who who also famously did a review for the 187 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Guin Show scripts in? Do tell. 188 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,120 In 1970, whatever year it was. That would be Prince Charles 189 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,880 aspect. No, no, I don't know. 190 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,800 I don't know. No getting back to George 191 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,360 Martin, someone called John Lennon. 192 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,680 John Lennon Round yes, there's we know, don't we? 193 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:29,200 There's a huge they were huge fans of the goons, particularly 194 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Lennon. And there's there's all that 195 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,640 crossover between Beatles style humor and and their humor. 196 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,320 And George Martin was the link, wasn't it? 197 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,360 Between. Of course he was. 198 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,360 Of course he was. Of course. 199 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,320 And as, and as we've said, George Martin having worked with 200 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,560 Sellers and and Milligan, it was, it was quite easy for The 201 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,640 Beatles and he to, to work together and to to get on. 202 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,720 And then, of course, Richard Lester gets the Hard Day's Night 203 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,680 gig more or less off the back of working with the goons on things 204 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:58,880 like the running, jumping and sending steel. 205 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Finding steel, Absolutely. I just just mentioned in the the 206 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,440 last Goon show of All there as well, because that was also 72, 207 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,200 wasn't it? Again for the 50th anniversary 208 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,840 of the BBC and I remember what it did with that. 209 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,480 We've got this massive big reel to reel tape recorder and I 210 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,360 wanted to make sure I'd got a copy of it. 211 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,800 So I didn't listen to it when it went out. 212 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,080 I, I set up a radio with a microphone pointing at it from 213 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,320 this, from, from this, this tape recorder in my parents bedroom, 214 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,800 knowing they weren't going to be going up there for, for the 215 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,760 duration and set it to record. I crept out of the room so I 216 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,480 didn't cough loudly or anything worse during the recording. 217 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,280 And then I listened to it afterwards, after it had 218 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,240 recorded. So that was that one. 219 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,080 So. They're always a bit tinny when 220 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,920 you do that sort. Of thing that was dreadful. 221 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:48,840 Dreadful. Yeah. 222 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,040 What it What was your opinion overall? 223 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,120 I mean, even now in heart, with hindsight, what's your opinion 224 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,680 of the Last Goon Show? I think. 225 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,240 Be honest, yeah. I I think it's, I think now that 226 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,840 it's better than I thought it was at the time, to be honest. 227 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,680 Oh, right. Yeah, it's grown on me a bit. 228 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,760 It's not, it's not, it's not a classic Goon show, is it? 229 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,720 It's, it's not, but it's a celebration more than anything. 230 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:17,200 It's, it's a bit like I'm going to return to my big favorite 231 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Doctor Who for their 20th anniversary in 1982. 232 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,560 They did the Five Doctors where they brought in every doctor 233 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,960 that they've ever been, including including one that was 234 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,480 dead and one that didn't want to do it. 235 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Don't ask and. It wasn't Hartnell. 236 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,600 Was it Richard Herndel that stood up? 237 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,440 You know, yes, of course Richard Herndel played Hartnell's path 238 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,760 and Tom Baker was played by a waxwork and some old film of 239 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,720 him. Really. 240 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,360 Well, the waxwork in the publicity photos, there was a, 241 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,280 there was a, there was a story that had never been released and 242 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,160 never been completed, actually written by Douglas Adams called 243 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Sharda. And, and they took some of the 244 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,800 location filming of that featuring Tom Baker and they 245 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,640 inserted that in in to make the five doctors. 246 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,920 But that's not a classic story. It's not the best Doctor Who 247 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,480 story you ever heard, but it's a wonderful celebration of, of the 248 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,480 last 20 years. And I sort of think that the 249 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,360 same thing about the last green show of all, really. 250 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:20,360 I don't mind the self indulgence and the giggling at each other's 251 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,600 jokes. And because that was the Green 252 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,280 Show, wasn't it? Absolutely, yeah. 253 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,000 I mean, it's it, it, I think it could have been a little bit 254 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,800 more care and time could have been taken over the script and, 255 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,520 and whatnot. But but hey, you know, it was it 256 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,400 was brand new goon material after 12 years. 257 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,120 Absolutely. I mean, I, I will say that the 258 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,360 goon shows that I like the most and that is absolutely going to 259 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:50,000 apply to to Dishonoured again and also to Tesla Dharma that I 260 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,960 mentioned. I like the goon shows most where 261 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,920 there is a strong plot where where where there is a plot with 262 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,880 the beginning, middle and more often than not an end. 263 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,360 We know of the goon shows there was sometimes a good strong 264 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,160 start, a good strong middle, and then it all descended into chaos 265 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,160 before the end as the as as Spike. 266 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,280 I presumably run out of ideas towards the end of the of the of 267 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,400 the story, but so the last country of all is that's the 268 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,120 last thing that that is it is just a stand up and say a few 269 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,480 catch phrases and he's falling in the water and that. 270 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,480 How would you like to join? Whatever I'd like. 271 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,760 That joke. Now, if, if possibly, if Spikes 272 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,200 collaborator Larry Stevens had lived longer, had lived to see 273 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,680 1972. He may well, probably not, but 274 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,440 he may well have been enlisted to help Spike with the script 275 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,000 for the last good show. And and then it may well have 276 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,080 had a bit more structure because Larry, one of the things Larry 277 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,480 bought to to goon show scripts was was structure, beginning, 278 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,400 middle and an end, much more than Spike could do. 279 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,240 And I don't mention Larry loosely. 280 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,000 I want to talk about him in more detail because his story is 281 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,880 quite linked to this particular episode that we're going to talk 282 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:14,680 about today. Did you? 283 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,160 Did you know that? Well, I look forward to hearing 284 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,720 about that. I noticed with interest that 285 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:26,120 this is, I'd see I'd, I'd always assumed that Dishonoured again 286 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,920 was one of the transcription service re records and and it 287 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,840 isn't, is it? It's, it's the the Ginshire 288 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,680 Companion reckons that Spike just didn't manage to do a 289 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,480 script that week. So they they, they got an old 290 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,760 one out of the vaults and said, let's do this instead. 291 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,360 But it's not the first time they did it because the previous year 292 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,560 they'd done The Man Who Never Was, which had expanded from 293 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,440 Season 3 because again, they hadn't got a script. 294 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,360 And then there was another one in this season, season 9, which 295 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,079 wasn't written by Spike at all. It's one of the few goon shows 296 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:08,160 that Spike had nothing to do with, which was the Seguin 297 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Memoirs, which was written by Larry Stevens. 298 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,119 It's his last contribution to the show with Maurice Wiltshire. 299 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,480 So I don't know. I mean, there were, we know that 300 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,520 there were times when Spike wasn't well, but he still 301 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,200 managed to write all of the rest of the series but these. 302 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,640 Yeah. So this, this, this goes out 303 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,240 January 59. And. 304 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,640 And Spike's suffering from illness. 305 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,880 Yeah, I'm not quite sure exactly the the nature of it, but he 306 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,760 was, he was under the cosh, shall we say. 307 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,560 OK, you're quite right, Larry. And was it? 308 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:48,720 Was it? Did you say it was Larry and 309 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,760 Maurice Wiltshire? Well, apparently what happened 310 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,280 is Larry Stevens wrote it and Maurice Wiltshire give it a bit 311 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,360 of a Polish. OK, so yeah, but so they've been 312 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,640 involved with the Sega Memoirs a few weeks earlier. 313 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Spike was too. I'll to provide a script for 314 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,880 this particular week. And Larry was unwell as well. 315 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:16,000 So like you say, Spike selected a script from Series 5 called 316 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,880 Dishonored, made a few edits here and there, removed some 317 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,760 topical references and stuff like that. 318 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,880 And then it was remade and it was, it was recorded on Sunday 319 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 the 25th of January and went out the following day. 320 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,920 OK, so they're getting, so this is, I think the 13th episode of 321 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,640 Series 9 and they're getting close to the end of Series 9. 322 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,880 They've only got a few shows left. 323 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,320 And on the on the night of the recording, John Browell, who's 324 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,880 the producer, he floated the notion of a tenth series to the 325 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,040 lads and he got a bit of a mixed response. 326 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,760 Sellers was inclined to leave it because he said that they 327 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,320 wouldn't be adding anything new and that that the the original 328 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,960 drive and enthusiasm was gone. I I think that was more. 329 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:15,040 Sellers was on the verge of signing a massive contract to 330 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:21,440 make films. Milligan was reluctant, but he 331 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,040 conceded that he could probably write another six or so. 332 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,480 But but no more than that really. 333 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,560 Harry was Harry was happy to let the others decide. 334 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,040 He said he he didn't mind doing another series and he didn't 335 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,520 want to disappoint their dedicated fans, But he was also 336 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,080 getting a bit fed up with it because John Browell wrote in a 337 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,160 memo that Seek him was getting annoyed at having to generally 338 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:47,720 help keep the peace. OK. 339 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,240 In other words, he was sort of mediating when the other two 340 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,840 were knocking holes out of each other. 341 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,520 I said about Sellers. He he he, he'd signed around 342 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,680 this time, I'm not quite sure if it I think it would possibly 343 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,840 just just after this was recorded that he signed a, a 344 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,360 really lucrative contract to make 5 films with the bolting 345 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,240 brothers on a non exclusive basis. 346 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,360 And it was worth that contract was worth 100,000 lbs, which is 347 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:20,200 about 2 million stays money. So he was, you know, he knew 348 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,040 where his bread was buttered. He knew where he was going. 349 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,880 So as we know, there was obviously a a tense series, only 350 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,560 a short. Series of six, but that that 351 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:35,880 went out end of the year so they so they record dishonored again. 352 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,960 Larry's there. He he's attended the recording. 353 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,200 He he'd been ill, but he attended the recording. 354 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,000 OK. And I I want to consult. 355 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,520 I just want to refer to the the wonderful book written by Julie 356 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Warren about Larry called It's All in the Mind, which we often 357 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,400 site as a as a, as a source of information. 358 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:57,840 And yeah, so it says Julie writes. 359 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,040 So as everyone began to find outside, this is after the 360 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,560 recording, Larry left a seat in the theatre and made his way 361 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,560 over to the stage to have a quick word with his friends. 362 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,040 He he headed off along Camden High Street and went to meet his 363 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,000 friend Ben Clemenson. OK, they they went out for a 364 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,040 bite to eat at a restaurant. All right. 365 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,240 And it says the evening with Ben started off well when the two 366 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,040 friends had an agreeable time enjoying their meal and catching 367 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,600 up with each other's news. Without warning, Larry felt a 368 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,000 sudden searing pain in his head and his hand flew up to his 369 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,600 temple. His vision began to blur and he 370 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,920 tried to tell Ben what what was happening to him, but the words 371 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,320 seemed to lodge in his throat and then tumbled out of his 372 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,080 mouth in a tangle. He began to feel very dizzy and 373 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 as the room started to whirl around him, he felt unable to 374 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,640 hold himself upright. Confusion creased his brow as he 375 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,800 fell forward onto the table. OK, suffice it to say, by the 376 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,520 time he arrived at Whittington Hospital, he was slipping in and 377 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,160 out of consciousness. Frantic efforts were made to 378 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,120 save him, but he died at 2:10 in the morning on Monday the 26th 379 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:04,160 of January 1959. Yeah, he'd suffered a cerebral 380 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,120 haemorrhage brought on by hypertension and he was 35 years 381 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,440 old. Well, I knew he'd died very 382 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,160 young, but I didn't realize it was quite that dramatic. 383 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,080 And on the night that he'd seen the Goon show recorded. 384 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,720 Yeah, yeah. And that must have been very 385 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,720 difficult for the for the fellas to hear that. 386 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,560 It was, I mean, I'll tell you about that because this this is 387 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,120 the thing now I'm, I'm treating Julie's account as the 388 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:34,880 authoritative account of what happened. 389 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,280 But but there are there's a, there's a one or two sort of 390 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,080 conflicting stories about his death by Spike. 391 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:50,840 OK, so much, much later, Milligan claimed that he went 392 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:56,880 out to dinner with Larry and on the way to the restaurant, Larry 393 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,520 died, actually died in the car. Right. 394 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,600 And then in a later interview with Milligan, we're talking a 395 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,360 few years after that, he his recollection was that Larry 396 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,680 actually died in his arms in a restaurant. 397 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,960 Good heavens, yeah. Study on Spike. 398 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,560 Yeah, the the doctor at the hospital where Larry was rushed 399 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,280 did not recall Spike Milligan being in attendance. 400 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:29,040 And I think Spike's just Yeah. Well, probably not deliberately. 401 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,160 Probably just on a bit of a flight of fantasy and and. 402 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,960 Yeah. Sometimes, I mean, we we know he 403 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,920 was often mentally unwell himself, didn't we? 404 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,960 And sometimes how you imagine it happened can become real, can't 405 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,920 it? And we also know he's far from 406 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,960 perfect. It was Spider again. 407 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,680 I mean, you know, the some of his attitudes were, shall we 408 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,520 say, disappointing to say the least. 409 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,320 And some of his attitudes towards things like race and, 410 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:00,000 and and and so on could be very disappointing. 411 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,440 So he wasn't a perfect man by any means, but he was a comic 412 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,120 genius. Now you, you asked about how the 413 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,640 lads, I mean, that's, that's sort of, I mean, Spike was 414 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600 unfortunately quite dismissive about Larry in later years, just 415 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,680 in terms of, you know, but Sellers was good friends with 416 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,480 him. I think Spike was good friends 417 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,280 with him. Let's face it. 418 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:21,560 But Sellers, Sellers was quite affected by Larry's death. 419 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,840 And as you know, we may, you may know that Sellers was into 420 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,880 clairvoyancy and consult mediums and that sort of thing. 421 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:35,920 And for years after he would he would not exclusively go to 422 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,560 mediums to try and reach the spirit of Larry Stevens, but he 423 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,600 the the stories of him saying that he was contacted by someone 424 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,680 using the the name Fred, which was a favorite nickname. 425 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,080 It was. And like Ian Carmike, because he 426 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,440 was Sellers soon after this was soon after Larry's death. 427 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280 He he was either on the verge. He'd either begun or was on the 428 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,240 verge of beginning filming of I'm a Right, Jack and Ian 429 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:09,160 Carmichael recalled Sellers talking to him about Stephen's 430 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:14,640 death and and talking about how he wanted to make contact with 431 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,360 him on the other side. All right. 432 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,120 So what ITV? Yes. 433 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,360 Of course if if this was a goon show script then much would be 434 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:30,240 made about sellers using a medium, whereas Harry was an 435 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,320 extra large. Here it is Christmas Eve and 436 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:40,000 still no offers of pantomime and not a penny have I towards a 437 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,880 plate of vittles for me poor half starved 18 stone body. 438 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,480 So I lay my poor old 20 stone head down on this 8 stone in 439 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,960 banquet bench. This is nice and soft. 440 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:57,000 I'll call your line on moon. Just so I mentioned about 441 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Sellers was about to film I'm all right Jack or in the process 442 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480 of filming it. He was also appearing in the 443 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,920 stage show Brouhaha, which we've talked about number of occasions 444 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,360 on this show. So I'm not going to bore people 445 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,720 with that again. Harry was appearing in 446 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Manchester in a show called Large as Life. 447 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,560 OK. I just thought I'd just quickly 448 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,000 talk about that because we, we've talked about brouhaha 449 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,640 number of occasions. We've we've referenced large as 450 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,760 life on occasion, but we've never really, never really 451 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,680 looked into what it was. And I won't, I won't spend too 452 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,240 much time on it. But it was like a variety show 453 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,200 that had been on at the London Palladium, been a great success 454 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200 in it. And it moved to the Opera House 455 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,000 in Manchester. And from I think it was playing 456 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:53,680 from middle of December 58 and it ran something like 7 weeks, 457 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,920 something like that. And it's it's it was described 458 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,080 as a revusical, a port, a portmanteau word. 459 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,320 That's that's what they would call that. 460 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,680 It had obviously it had Harry in in sort of heading up the cast. 461 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120 It had Harry worth. Do you remember Harry Worth? 462 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,120 Of course I do. Yeah, with the shop window and 463 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,760 the. That's right, That's right. 464 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,280 You had Eric Sykes and Hattie Jakes. 465 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,200 Interestingly also some acrobats, a troupe called the 466 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:30,120 Three Kims Kims. There was some sort of musical 467 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:34,480 performance called Hetel King GH Elliot and some juggling from 468 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,840 someone called Hugo Fedriani. Right. 469 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760 I'm afraid I've got a picture now of the three successive 470 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,840 leaders of North Korea juggling for the three. 471 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,600 Days there's there's not a there's not a huge amount of 472 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,560 information out there about the show. 473 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,760 There's there's a few reviews from the time newspaper reviews 474 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,920 from the time and just with regards to seek him, he he 475 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:04,000 stands he he is the one that is rated most highly as as a 476 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,920 performer. And one newspaper review talks 477 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,720 about he plays a number of different roles, different 478 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,400 characters. One of them is a one of them is 479 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,480 a Victorian principal boy in feathers, if you can imagine 480 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,720 such a thing, and and the other is a stage door Johnny who knows 481 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,840 what he wants. OK, All right, so we can he can 482 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880 play characters on stage, but when it comes to the Goon show, 483 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,560 he's Neddy. Yeah. 484 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,400 Yeah, but he's probably, he's probably got the same voice. 485 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,440 Yeah, he's just. I suppose so. 486 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,320 Yeah, he's got feathers or, or or an autograph book. 487 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Yeah. Harry. 488 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Harry was a. Stage door door Johnny does not 489 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,400 mean he collected autographs. Tyler, I'm sorry, it doesn't 490 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280 mean nothing to what does it. What does it. 491 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,520 He was, he was. It means you'd be hanging about 492 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,320 for the ladies of the cast. Oh, is that what it I always 493 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,960 sort of just meant no. No, no, it was someone. 494 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,120 It was someone who went to associate with the the ladies in 495 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,560 the cast. Oh God, is my face red? 496 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,880 I didn't realize that. OK, well, I've learned 497 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,440 something. A bit of an antiquated term, 498 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,280 isn't it? I suppose so. 499 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,080 Yeah, Harry worth he just, he just, he did a bit of 500 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,240 ventriloquism apparently. And it doesn't there doesn't 501 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,120 seem to be any information about what Eric and Hattie got up to 502 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720 right. But but no, it was it was 503 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,280 extremely well received and very successful, it would seem very 504 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,520 good. So what I will do is I will, 505 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,440 I'll give you the the synopsis for Dishonoured again, 506 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,120 presumably written by Spike himself. 507 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,920 It says young Ned, driven to distraction by the humdrum life 508 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,960 at the bank where he works, although he's only been there, 509 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,960 what, 20 minutes, 20 minutes? He he decides to abscond with 510 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,760 the contents of the strong room. One night, with his pockets 511 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,720 bulging with notes, he joins a banana boat sailing for the blue 512 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,600 Mediterranean. But Neddy, and used to sudden 513 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,080 wealth, begins to lose heavily to the purser at snap and until 514 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,320 in desperation, he dives overboard and spins to India. 515 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,960 There he joins the army and continuing in the path of 516 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,920 degradation, he sells military secrets to the Viziri tribesmen. 517 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,400 Then he becomes a confidant of the notorious scourge of the 518 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Northwest frontier, the dreaded Red Bladder, until finally, in 519 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880 the foothills of the Himalayas, he meets his tragic end. 520 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,800 It's like an AI recreation of, isn't it? 521 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,880 It's just uncanny, you know, you can sort of recognise some 522 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240 things. But yeah. 523 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,160 The notes in his pocket, wasn't it gold? 524 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:57,920 Gold yeah and and it misses the the the salient point that grip 525 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,720 type and Moriarty actually recruit him don't they to go and 526 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,720 and work in the bank that that that good point manages in order 527 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,040 to in order to rob it it's it's. Their yeah, yeah, Moriarty's 528 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,760 obviously spotted him as being on a Zappers. 529 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,120 Yeah, there's that great line, Neddy delivers. 530 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Here it is, Christmas Eve and still no offers of pantomime. 531 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:28,680 That's lovely. Yes, that, that gold bit. 532 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000 I mean, that's one of the things that that that stuck with me 533 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,600 from listening to it on the on the LP all those years ago that 534 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,320 I would have probably said was in tales of old Dartmoor, where 535 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,160 where where a grid pipe puts him in charge of the gold, the gold 536 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,760 vault. Andy Dusty gold, gold, gold. 537 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360 I'm rich, I'm rich and grip type, as it were, turns to 538 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,600 camera and and says, what's he say? 539 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Hang on, I. Wonder if he's the right? 540 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,240 Man, I wonder if he's the right man for the I wonder if he's the 541 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,280 right man for the job. Of course he is. 542 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,240 As far as grip, that's absolutely he is. 543 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,760 Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's interesting to say. 544 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,080 By the way, while we're on while we're on grip type, I listened 545 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,680 also to the original version of Dishonoured just to get a bit of 546 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,400 a feel for how different it was and how different it wasn't. 547 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,800 And it isn't very different apart from a little bit of 548 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,440 topical material cut out and and the new version is sharper. 549 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,280 It's it's a much sharper, much quicker. 550 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,360 The pacing is superb. And one particular thing that I 551 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,160 meant maybe mentioned in a bit. So in the original you you, it's 552 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,160 a bit of a truism of the goons, isn't it, that you can always 553 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,120 tell Sellers mood by his pronunciation of Mariotti. 554 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760 Yes. And in this one he's clearly 555 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,840 having a ball because he's absolutely Mariotti. 556 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,560 It's on every occasion. Whereas on the original version 557 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,600 he's Mariotti. So so Sellers Kelly was not as 558 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,480 happy, but he hasn't got that massive contract lined up, had 559 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,520 he? That's true. 560 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,000 That's true. Although. 561 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,080 One of his mates in the audience didn't have long to live. 562 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,840 If he'd known that, he might have put a lot down near. 563 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,240 The front. It would have definitely been 564 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,160 variety then, wouldn't it? If I'm sure listeners listeners 565 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,200 all know this, but just in case, does someone listening to this 566 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,320 for the first time He doesn't know as as Steve has alluded to 567 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,760 there, if if sellers as as was quite often the case, if he was 568 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:34,480 a bit peeved with Milligan for whatever reason, maybe staging 569 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,600 him or or just annoying him in general. 570 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,240 Seller said Grip Pipe would refer to his his colleague as 571 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,840 moriety as a way of a coded way of saying to Milligan, you know, 572 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,720 wind your neck in kind of thing. I must tell friend moriety all 573 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,800 is going according to plan. This pops, this really pops and 574 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,200 flows and it's such an improvement. 575 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,400 And it's weird because people say Series 5 was, you know, 576 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,120 possibly the I mean series 5 for Someone Like You must be the 577 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,120 best series because. Strong stories. 578 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,880 It it's got proper stories and you've got Eric Sykes involved 579 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080 with many of those. And, and I mean, yeah, let me 580 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,000 sorry, we're going all over the place as always, but do you, are 581 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,040 you, have you heard most of the the extant Goon shows? 582 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,840 Now most of them, yeah, I. Have OK, Do you have a 583 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,280 particular favorite series or? I'm not really thought about it, 584 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,239 to be honest. I'm just looking in in Roger 585 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,400 Wilmer and Jimmy Grafton's Goon Show Companion. 586 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,040 You mentioned the fifth series. Let me have a look. 587 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,120 There's some good ones there. Aren't The whistling spy, 588 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,600 Enigma, Dreaded batter pudding. Pudding Hurler. 589 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,239 Phantom Head Shaver, Lone banana, Lurgy Straight. 590 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Oh yeah, Bull. There's one after another 591 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,159 wonderful Spanish suitcase. Dishonoured. 592 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,280 Oh, ye Bandit of Sherwood Forest, also on an LP, wasn't 593 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,360 it? That's a lovely one. 1985 China 594 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,760 story. It's one after another. 595 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,280 Great, great story. The Yeti White box of Great Barn 596 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,280 Field. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 597 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:09,920 What a. What a. 598 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,960 That's my that's my favorite Goon show, by the way. 599 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,440 White box of great. Is it really? 600 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,480 Yeah, I used to. Do you have a? 601 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,360 Do you have a you? Are you used to live there? 602 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,960 Oh no, no, you used to live near though. 603 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,000 Strange place. That's in north Essex it is. 604 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,640 And years ago I lived down that way and it's a very, very 605 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,200 strange place. It's, it's a bit like a sort of 606 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,400 a rural Royston Vasey. And apologies to anybody who 607 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920 lived there. Well this was in the early 90s 608 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,440 when we went and had a little look round and I remember there 609 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,720 was a big sign outside the church saying every member of 610 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,160 the parish is prayed for on a weekly basis which which struck 611 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,640 us as being really sinister. Strange circle. 612 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,120 Right. In the 40s and 50s, wasn't it 613 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,200 kind of like an artist's commune? 614 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,160 Was it as well? That's yeah, OK. 615 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,600 Something like that. But this ninth series as well, 616 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,720 there's some great stuff here as well, isn't? 617 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,640 There there is. This, this, this. 618 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,360 Well, was there ever a series of the goons where there wasn't 619 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,400 something that was wonderful in it? 620 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,160 I don't think there. Was. 621 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,600 Yeah, well, see, people tend to say that and I tend to agree. 622 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,360 I think most right thinking people agree that Series 8 was 623 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,760 probably the weakest of the, you know, the the the the goon show 624 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,640 as we as we know it, Series 8. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 625 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,280 It's a bit of filler. String robber is. 626 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,640 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But then there's there's a lot 627 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,120 of filler, I think. And yeah. 628 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,440 Spunk plate. Yeah, you're right. 629 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,320 You're right. There are a few. 630 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,120 There are fewer standard episodes in that in that series, 631 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,760 aren't there? Yeah, I think that makes sense. 632 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:52,240 Oh, well, let me tell you this, right, I'll, I'll, I'll give you 633 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,160 the top. So we did a listeners poll of 634 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,080 top 20 Goon Show episodes, right Listeners favorite top, top 20. 635 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480 I'm not going to read them all out, but I'll just read you the 636 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,640 top ten. OK, let's from. 637 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160 Let's go from #10 to number 1. You need. 638 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,840 Alan Freeman style pop pickers. Consider it, Consider it a music 639 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,800 bed. Edited under this number 10 640 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,600 Tales of Old, 00. Yes. 641 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,320 Wonderful #9 a show we covered a couple of weeks ago. 642 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,600 The histories of plenty. The Elder. 643 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,840 Good one. #8 the jet propelled guided NAFI. 644 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,960 Wonderful #7 the show we're talking about today? 645 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,360 Yep. Number six, 1985, yeah. 646 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,840 It might put that a bit lower, but go on. #5 I'd put this a lot 647 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,400 lower, the scarlet capsule. Oh, I'd put that quite near the 648 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,480 top. All right. 649 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,760 OK, well, you're a big science fiction fan, you see, So you 650 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,360 know you're a Neil fan, so. #4 the dreaded batter putting her 651 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,360 look. Yeah #3 lurgy strikes Britain #2 652 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,000 the Green, said Greenslade story. 653 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,840 And #1 Napoleon's piano. But you know, you could pick 10 654 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,000 episodes, 10 goon shows with a pin, and the chances are you'd 655 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440 get at least half a dozen good ones in your 10. 656 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,640 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all a matter of degree, 657 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,000 isn't it? Absolutely, absolutely. 658 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,880 And by the way, I mentioned plenty of the elder, so we 659 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:16,880 covered that a couple of weeks ago. 660 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,080 Now the script for that, as I said at the time that turns out 661 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,800 there's a Roger Wilmot. You mentioned Roger Wilmot. 662 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,560 There's a Roger Wilmot. A couple of books that he put 663 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,560 out, one was called No More Carried Eggs for Me, which was 664 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,000 which was a collection of comedy scripts. 665 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,040 And it's in this episode. That's not right. 666 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,040 It's in this episode. And whenever when I was when I 667 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,280 was a kid and used to do goon show voices, which of course all 668 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,000 goon show loving kids do, don't they? 669 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,120 If ever I did, if ever I did blood knock, that was the line 670 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,880 that I would do. Oh. 671 00:38:56,330 --> 00:39:05,200 No more carried eggs for me. So so yeah, the the script for 672 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,040 plenty of the elder was in the follow up to no more curried 673 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,400 eggs for me, a book called Son of curried eggs. 674 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,760 Right. OK, but the script in no more 675 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,880 curried eggs for me. No prizes for guessing 676 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,520 dishonored again. Brilliant. 677 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,360 Yeah. Brilliant. 678 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:26,280 Yeah, I'll mention that little that that that bit where it 679 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,080 struck me at how much more sharp and quick and all the rest of it 680 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,560 this episode is than the original version. 681 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,160 And it and it's just immediately before the the blood knock 682 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,840 section where Neddy is talking to Echoes and he's resolved to 683 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,480 get his life back on track and get back to self respect. 684 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,760 And and Neddy goes, I'll join the Navy. 685 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,360 That then follows. One minute and 3 1/2 seconds of 686 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,320 naval music, seaside stuff, and all the rest of it. 687 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,200 Totally over the top and totally extended beyond all reasonable 688 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,680 whatever. I'm going to clear my name and 689 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,760 get back by self respect. Hal. 690 00:40:04,560 --> 00:41:10,590 Hal, join the Navy. No, I'll join the army. 691 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,840 It's too damn noisy in the Navy. In the original version, there's 692 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,000 a there's a quick echoes line in between. 693 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,160 It's on second thoughts. I'll join the Army. 694 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,440 Why is that? It's too damn noisy in the Navy. 695 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,040 It slows it down. It breaks. 696 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,440 Yeah, it's it's it really struck me how much, how sharper this 697 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,520 one, that that point particularly. 698 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,840 It's several points. It's several points. 699 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200 Tighter, by the way, those tunes that we hear. 700 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,880 Yeah, you're going to listen to. Do you know all of them? 701 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,960 I was going to write down the list and I thought, you know, 702 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,800 Tyler, we've got we'll have that list. 703 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,920 So we had a life on the ocean wave. 704 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,000 We had we had the the Marines March thing, didn't we? 705 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,520 The Hearts of Oak we had, didn't we have? 706 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,400 I do like to be beside the seaside. 707 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,200 I can't remember. Go on, you tell me. 708 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:15,840 Well, I don't know about Hearts of Oak and what I've got down 709 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,960 here and this may this may be this. 710 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,960 I didn't put these these tunes. OK. 711 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,800 Titles together this is. I've pinched this from somewhere 712 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,120 else, but rule Britannia. Sailors, Hornpipe is on that, 713 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,840 yeah. Yeah, sailors, Hornpipe anchors 714 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,600 away. Yeah. 715 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,200 Yeah. Life on the ocean wave. 716 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,720 What shall we do with the drunken sailor? 717 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,120 Yes, I joined the Navy to see the world. 718 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,160 I. Wouldn't have known that one. 719 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,320 All the nice girls love a sailor. 720 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,400 Yeah, And then it ends again with Rule Britannia. 721 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,840 I imagined a few, clearly. I imagined I do like to be 722 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,360 beside the seaside, but never mind. 723 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,000 But no, I've. I was sure Hearts of Oak was in 724 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,600 there, but maybe not. Anyway, but you're absolutely 725 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640 right. It's interesting because Spike 726 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,400 said that we believe that Spike tweaked the script of 727 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,480 Dishonoured and but didn't change that much. 728 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,880 But I looked at the, I looked at the script, the copy of, I'm not 729 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,280 sure whose script, whether it was Spike or one of the others. 730 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,360 There's a, the, the, the I have access to a copy of it. 731 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,160 And interestingly, because I think in the original 732 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,200 Dishonoured from Series 5, the bit where Moriarty meets Neddy 733 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,800 at the beginning and says I run a rag and bone shop, Neddy says 734 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,720 looking for manager. No, I'm looking for stock. 735 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,880 That's it. That's in the original 736 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,720 Dishonoured, doesn't it? Yeah, that's not typed out in 737 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,440 the script for Dishonored again. Comes out a bit strange, 738 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,840 doesn't? It but it, but it's, but it's 739 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,680 written in. So what I'm saying is it's like 740 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,320 Spike revised the script for Dishonored again, took out that 741 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,000 bit of dialogue and then decided on the day actually we'll put it 742 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,600 back in again, which I think is very wise. 743 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,480 In the original version, there's a smashing a Greenslade bit as 744 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,680 well, where Greenstlade starts cheerleading the audience to to 745 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,840 shout for Greenslade Greenslade and that That doesn't happen in 746 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,400 the in the remake, does it? Before we started recording, I 747 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,280 mentioned that this is one of those going shows where I mean 748 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,400 it it was released pretty much in its entirety. 749 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,080 Well, apart from the musical numbers, of course. 750 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:34,120 It was released pretty much uncut on the LP and there wasn't 751 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,440 any real top. I mean, there was some certain 752 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,840 racial stuff that that they wouldn't necessarily do today, 753 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,800 but there's no, there wasn't really any topical material that 754 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,760 needed cutting out of Dishonored again. 755 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,080 But you, I think you you said that in Dishonored the the first 756 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,920 one there was. Yeah, I kept there was sort of 757 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,600 before the story starts, there's a little bit of of chat refer. 758 00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,160 What's he referring to? It might be referring to taxes 759 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,080 or something like that, taxation, something like that. 760 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,240 But I mean, there's there's there is one topical thing that 761 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:11,920 survives and that's the red bladder because the red bladder 762 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,400 is a take on the red shadow who was the hero of the music or the 763 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,400 desert song and the desert, which was one of these shakes 764 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,640 sweeps woman off her feet type things that romantic stories. 765 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,640 The the, the, the film version of the Desert Song came out in 766 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:38,360 1953, just the year before the original Dishonoured starring 767 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,000 Gordon McRae. So that's, that's where that 768 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,400 would have come from. Now if people of a slight of my 769 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,560 sort of age remember the Desert Song, it's because it was 770 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:54,240 revived in on the London stage in 1967, I think with John 771 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,600 Hanson in the leading role. Now John Hanson was musical 772 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,680 stage tenor who used to turn up on all sorts of TV shows in the 773 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,360 60s and 70s. He did a he did a Morecambe and 774 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,680 Wise episode, John Hanson and was quite was was very clearly 775 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,960 on there promoting the desert song. 776 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,680 He was very closely associated with with his appearance as the 777 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,280 red shadow in the desert song. So that's what the red red 778 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,000 bladder comes from. Well, of course, the desert song 779 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,400 is quite pivotal in a in a particular goon show episode, 780 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,800 the Sahara Desert statue, which is the first episode of this 781 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,720 series where Neddy. I'm trying to think, how does it 782 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,400 go here? Neddy is a nude Welshman 783 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,400 standing in the middle of this hour desert holding a holding a 784 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,200 bowl of rice pudding, who gets blown to bits and becomes a 785 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,000 touring company of desert song. Well, it was, it was in, it was 786 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,720 in the zeitgeist, wasn't it? The desert song at that time, 787 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,200 after the the the the Gordon McRae film the previous year, 788 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,480 Yeah. OK, so this show, it's it's 789 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,080 Neddy being preyed upon by those two chiselers, Thin and 790 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,760 Moriarty. It's very similar to to the 791 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,600 tales of old Dartmoor. It is in that sense, it's it's a 792 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,640 very similar story, a very similar show and both wonderful. 793 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,680 And what I love about this is you It's it's it is very Neddy 794 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,280 centric as the best shows are very Neddy centric. 795 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,640 He carries the plot and you you follow him through encounters 796 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,200 with the other characters, usually in pairs, don't you? 797 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,880 So he starts off with Grid, Pipe and Moriarty and then he moves 798 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,920 on from them. He has an encounter with Echoes 799 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:51,080 and then he ends up with Mini and Henry, and then he comes to 800 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,200 Blood Knock and, and then there's Blue buckle who's not in 801 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,200 this much, turns up and gets blown up and that's that's about 802 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,640 it. And and we have Blue bottle and 803 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,360 echoes together, don't we? And then and, and and it 804 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,400 finishes with Minnie and Henry again. 805 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,880 It's it's nicely contained little segments with each of the 806 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,480 the main groups of characters. And and yeah, and I know the 807 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,640 Goon Show is often always on this podcast as well-being 808 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,040 described as cartoonish, but I think this particular episode is 809 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,880 very cartoonish. And particularly things lines 810 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,680 like the bit where Neddy's in the ocean swimming and then 10 811 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,400 miles east way. And the last three were agony. 812 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:41,440 They were overland. Yeah, there's curses spotted. 813 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,480 Why are you wearing that leopard skin? 814 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,280 So that's why I'm spotted. You can imagine the camera 815 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:52,560 pulling out to reveal. Yeah, so there's some brilliant 816 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,880 lines in this. There's no point in staying. 817 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,840 There's more money in the van than there is in the bank. 818 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,280 I fell in a heap on the ground. I've no idea who left it. 819 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,040 There. Oh, and of course, and of course 820 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,320 there's the I'll tell you what I think probably my favorite bit. 821 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,640 Next, I carefully disguise myself as a Zulu warrior of the 822 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,320 Matabevi Rising. So cunning was my makeup, not 823 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,080 even my own grandmother would have recognized me. 824 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,760 Hello, Neddy. Hello, Granny. 825 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,720 Now that's different in the in the original, because in the 826 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:27,320 original the response to that is hello lady from sort of an old 827 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,600 lady voice. But in the one we've listened to 828 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,560 it from a very yeah, it's fun. Absolutely. 829 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,760 So that that's that's fun. But the break on men, it doesn't 830 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,320 suit me, Henry. They go and get 3 miles an hour. 831 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,920 Yeah, we'll be murdered in our beds. 832 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,520 It just conjures up the image of, you know, this sort of 833 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,440 Victorian or even pre Victorian era that they come from where, 834 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,280 you know, when the early locomotives had the man walking 835 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,760 in front with the red flag or whatever going at about two 836 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,440 miles an hour because any faster and their brains would explode. 837 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,400 It just conjures up the the characters from that sort of 838 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,400 period. Yeah, and and there's the 839 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,440 there's the scene where where Neddy is in the tea house and 840 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,320 he's offered all the exotic wonders of the Orient and what 841 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,400 can I get you? Pot of tea, please. 842 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,120 And and he does the classic John Major voice, doesn't he? 843 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,760 He does 40 years before John Major, 30 years before John. 844 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,320 The stock, stock nerd voice. That's it. 845 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,160 Yeah, yeah. I mean, when I first heard this, 846 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,760 I first heard this when I was a teenager and I had no issue with 847 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,400 it at all. And I'm not going to get dwell 848 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:46,520 on it by by any means, but you've got this temptress doing 849 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,120 this dose of the the. 7 surplus army blankets. 850 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,960 I've got to make a living too, you know. 851 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,240 Which Have you ever seen the short film that Sellers and 852 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,320 Milligan made with Dick Henry called The Case of the Muckney's 853 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,880 Battle Horn? In the cinema, Tyler, In the 854 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,160 cinema, I've seen it. Have you? 855 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,280 Yeah, I think it must have been on as a support for one of the 856 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,640 Python films. Probably. 857 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,440 Oh, it was it was. It was a support for Holy Grail. 858 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,000 There you. Are absolutely there you are. 859 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:25,120 In 75, so that that dates it. So that bit, this the bit where 860 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,200 we come to, we come to understand that Echols is doing 861 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,640 the dance of the seven army surplus blankets. 862 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,640 That bit is recreated on the screen in the case of the 863 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,480 marketing. Space, isn't it? 864 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,560 Yes, it is. It is absolutely. 865 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,080 Into the middle of the floor sprang a creature who sent my 866 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,920 pulse is racing 1 by 1. The blankets fell to the floor. 867 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,240 The lights went down as the last blanket fell from the passionate 868 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,080 creature. I move to her side in the dark. 869 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,320 What is out of a creature? What prompts you to dance in 870 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:04,560 this den of ice? You're not a woman. 871 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,040 I know that. Don't tell the manager why not. 872 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:17,880 We're engaged. It's going to be held. 873 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,080 Fair, super light siren, exquisitive charges. 874 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,960 What are you doing a little hover like this? 875 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,520 I'm going to make a living, do you know? 876 00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,240 Wait, you're not a girl, you're a man. 877 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,000 I know that, but don't tell the manager why not, We're engaged. 878 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,040 Wait, I see it all now. You can't have done. 879 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,280 I ain't taking the fails off yet. 880 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,800 I mentioned at the right at the beginning of the show, my intro 881 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,960 I, I, I, I mentioned the Street of 1000 households, yes, Which 882 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,160 gets a which gets a loud filthy laugh from the audience. 883 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,360 Yes, why? Why does he get a filthy laugh 884 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,520 from the audience? Well, so my, my dad, when he 885 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,400 was, I don't know, he, my dad was not PC or my dad, you know, 886 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,440 my dad would just say whatever. And I guess this was a phrase 887 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,600 that was in common usage, I guess service ex service, right? 888 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,560 Men and people like that. My dad used to refer to the 889 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,640 street of 1000 assholes, which I don't, I don't quite know what 890 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920 it refers to, but I did look it up. 891 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,520 For the purposes of this, I'm not going to. 892 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,640 There's a can't imagine, can't we? 893 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,720 There's a particularly fruity ditty, OK, And. 894 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,560 And it's terrible. I'm not gonna sing. 895 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,960 It sounds. Yeah, that's why. 896 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,520 That's why Neddy refers to the Street of 1000 households. 897 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,840 But, but they were absolutely steeped, were they not? 898 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,320 The goons enforces humor. I mean, that's, that's where 899 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,880 their, their, their, their humor was forged in the forces during 900 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,880 the war. And my dad was in the forces as 901 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,200 well. Actually, my dad was in the Navy 902 00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,960 in the late 40s, early 50s. He served in the Korean War. 903 00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,480 So actually in the Korean War and so on the on the side of the 904 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,400 bad guys, I would point out, but there we are. 905 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,120 See who you mean, Right, I can think for a minute there. 906 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,880 Okay, A. Little bit of politics coming 907 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,880 out, yeah, never mind, move on, okay. 908 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,040 So he just he just missed out on the on the big one, then he. 909 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,080 Yeah, yeah. Oh no, he was. 910 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,240 My dad was born 29, so he early 29. 911 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,520 So he missed out properly on that one. 912 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,400 Yeah, it was. It was about 4849 that he joined 913 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,640 the Navy and yeah, was into about 53 I think. 914 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,520 OK, I love when Echoes and Blue Bottle have a little sequence to 915 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,640 go when they're just chatting. They're just just shooting the 916 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,840 breeze and. It's a Bow Wow. 917 00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,920 Right, OK, here's the thing. I want to try and process this. 918 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,480 OK. Because I hadn't heard. 919 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,000 I heard the show for the first time. 920 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,800 God knows when it would have been in the late 80s. 921 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,360 So I got into the game show and I started, Oh, I didn't, but my 922 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,000 dad started on my behalf, buying out what was out there. 923 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,400 And I was recording them off the radio because they repeated on 924 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,240 radio in New Zealand every every week. 925 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,000 OK, I can't handle how I can't tell you when I first heard this 926 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,360 show, but what I can tell you when Eccles and blue bottles 927 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,360 start this little conversation where Eccles is talking about 928 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,560 what he's getting for his birthday. 929 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,360 I anticipated I don't know how that he was going to say I'm 930 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,000 getting a Bow Wow before he said it right. 931 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,360 I remember clearly. And when he said it, I remember 932 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,520 almost falling off my chair thinking how did I? 933 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,800 So I can only think I must have subconscious must have heard 934 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,080 that maybe it was. You're a baby or something? 935 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,080 Yeah, I don't know what there was always on Sunday mornings, 936 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,280 there'd been hours worth of children's songs and children's 937 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,280 stories played on the radio. Yeah, OK. 938 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,800 I can only think maybe they maybe a few times that sequence 939 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,440 was played for kids on the radio. 940 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,440 I don't know. But anyway, I mean, I love that 941 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,000 bit and the audience, the audience are really on board 942 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,880 with this going show, aren't they? 943 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,600 The bit where Echoes Echoes is talking about licorice. 944 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,840 My mother says that licorice gives you a good run for your 945 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,200 money. And the audience laughter was so 946 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,680 long that the transcription services issue of the show, they 947 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,480 had to cut some of the some of the audience laughter because it 948 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,080 was going on too, too long. Tremendous. 949 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:36,080 Yeah, guess what I'm getting on my birthday. 950 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,400 What are you getting echo? I'm getting a Bow Wow, I'm. 951 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,560 Not getting them. I'm getting a Junior Smackers 952 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:53,200 kit complete with toffee Australian licorice dogging. 953 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,520 I like licorice. My mother said that licorice 954 00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,040 give you a good one for your money. 955 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:14,200 You. You're talking about there's 956 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,480 that iconic line. I hate to use the word iconic, 957 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,920 but you know what I mean? You know, no more carried eggs 958 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,560 for me. But there's also a few, you 959 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,360 know, less than a minute later, he, he, he says another line, 960 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:29,080 which is just, I think most gatherings of the Goon Show 961 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,600 Preservation Society members say this to each other. 962 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,240 Open your wipes. And say after me, help yourself. 963 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,760 Yes, I've written it down. That sums up blood now it 964 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,720 doesn't it? Oh, it's lovely, but you can't 965 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,920 say no more covered eggs for me without me automatically again. 966 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,880 I'm sure it's impossible to actually. 967 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:55,520 Yeah. Think of that. 968 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,480 I'm trying to so in. Can you remember when you 969 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,000 listened? Because I I looked at the 970 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,360 script, but I didn't actually listen again to Dishonor because 971 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,200 we'll cover Dishonor to the original at some Yeah yeah, 972 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,920 Series 5 Blood Knock did not suffer from. 973 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,920 Digestion. Issues. 974 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,200 Yeah. So what, what was, was there 975 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,080 any, was there anything of note with with that blood knock? 976 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:16,920 I didn't. I didn't. 977 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,800 I don't remember. To be honest, I don't remember 978 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,400 that. I've listened to it a couple of 979 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,000 times in the last few days. The original version and the 980 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,720 remade version, maybe half a dozen times in the last few 981 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,320 days. Oh yeah, do me homework. 982 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,560 But now I can't remember. I know there seem to be far 983 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,280 fewer. And this is where the story 984 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,440 really starts in the in the Dishonored again than there were 985 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,480 in the original, because that was going on a lot in the 986 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,400 original 1. And this is where the story 987 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,720 really starts. Yes, yeah, there's more of that 988 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,080 in the original number. I guess because that was such a 989 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,600 hallmark of series or that was such a frequent phrase used in 990 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,040 series five. Yeah, it had fallen out of use 991 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,760 by Series 9. So I guess they they push back 992 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,720 on it a bit. But of course there's there's a 993 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:12,480 big change of course in as much as Series 5 Moriarty. 994 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,320 Oh yes. He's quite a cool customer, 995 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,680 quite a quite a an able collaborator. 996 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,320 He's on the road towards disintegration here, isn't? 997 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,320 He, well, he is, but he's still. But he's still. 998 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,080 He's still got it, He's still got it. 999 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:33,160 He's a different voice. Yeah, yes, Yes, he has. 1000 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,280 Yeah, yeah. And of course, the other change 1001 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,880 is that Ellington and Geldre's music is different. 1002 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,760 It's they they, they do different songs, they do 1003 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,880 different numbers in the in the original. 1004 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,840 Good, good excuse for me to ask you the question I always ask 1005 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:57,760 you guests when listening to the Goon Show, do you do you skip 1006 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,120 the music or do you listen to the music? 1007 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,720 Oh my. Well, as, as, as I've said, I, I 1008 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,960 grew up with the goons on the polyphony and my records. 1009 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,680 Well, the music's all cut out anyway, isn't it? 1010 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,280 Yes. So it, it, it came as as a 1011 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,680 surprise to me to start hearing with the music when I started 1012 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,640 listening to some of the BBC repeats and then the the Goon 1013 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,720 Show classic albums when they started coming out. 1014 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,880 But I'm avoiding your question, aren't I? 1015 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,320 If I. It depends what I'm listening 1016 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:31,520 for. Like I said, I've listened to 1017 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:37,840 this one maybe half a dozen times in the last few days, and 1018 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,600 I didn't listen to the music every time. 1019 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,480 It must be standard. But on the whole, I, I love 1020 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,760 playing through and listen to him. 1021 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:50,400 I do because I mean, I think, I think Geldre was wonderful. 1022 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,440 I think he was a wonderful musician. 1023 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,320 I mean, just just to make an invidious comparison with Larry 1024 01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:02,200 Adler, who's the other great harmonica virtuoso of the time. 1025 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:07,000 I, I, I think Geldre not spots off Adler and, and, and Adler 1026 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,480 was probably the most famous composer, a famous performer, 1027 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,560 rather Ellington. I, I think he's a little bit 1028 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:19,120 more, I don't know, a little bit more run-of-the-mill maybe. 1029 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,640 I mean, my dad was a big fan of like modern jazz. 1030 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,920 So there was always a lot of modern jazz being played in the, 1031 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,920 the house when I was a kid rather than rather than 1032 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,920 contemporary pop music or anything like that. 1033 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,840 So, yeah, Wendy Ellington he's, he's, he's competent. 1034 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,560 And then then just tight enough, little band and all that. 1035 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,760 But I don't know. Yeah. 1036 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,440 I mean, it does the job, but I wouldn't ever buy a a Ray 1037 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,800 Ellington album, whereas I might buy a there was, there was a, 1038 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,800 wasn't there a Geldre album called Goon with the Wind? 1039 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I came across that, I might, 1040 01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,880 I might, I might buy it, but I don't think I'd buy a, a, a Ray 1041 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,240 Ellington one. Yeah. 1042 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,400 But yeah, I listened to him, yeah. 1043 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,880 Obviously one of the bit again, another big contrast between 1044 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,600 this and and the original Dishonoured was the just the the 1045 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,480 sheer exuberance and it reminds me a lot of the histories of 1046 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,640 plenty of the elder that we discussed a few weeks ago. 1047 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,920 Even though this wasn't the the last show of the series, it 1048 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,440 feels like an end of term show. They're having fun. 1049 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,280 They're having a lot of fun. Navigator, can you restitute our 1050 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,720 position in the man? What's that object of the board 1051 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,720 beam? Why do you should not think of 1052 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,760 the park? Good heavens, it's the Albert 1053 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,560 Hall. You've been the sea before. 1054 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,440 But what is the Albert Hall doing of Beachy Head? 1055 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,440 More to the point, what is the ship doing in Hyde Park? 1056 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,800 The sea is calmer here. You idiot, we have 4000 miles. 1057 01:02:53,800 --> 01:03:03,240 Of course, nobody perfect. I wonder. 1058 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,920 I mean, clearly Milligan's having fun as as much as 1059 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,040 anybody, and I wonder how much of that is down to the fact that 1060 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,920 he's not worn himself out writing a script. 1061 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,120 This week, Quite possibly. Quite possibly, yeah. 1062 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,640 We've not mentioned William, of course. 1063 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,400 Who's joining the River Police? Yeah. 1064 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,400 Does that happen 3-4 times? And I thought you were in the 1065 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,440 River Police. I've been promoted when they 1066 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:34,040 find him in the ocean, I think. Let me just check here. 1067 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,360 I'm just going to scroll through. 1068 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,480 I'm I'm not keen on the character of Little Jim. 1069 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,440 You know Little Jim. Hey, falling into water. 1070 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:48,360 Yeah, I'm just checking. I don't think little Jim's in 1071 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,960 this and yet, and yet he's made for this show because of the 1072 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,880 number of times at Williams. How much water is in this show? 1073 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,640 Well, there's the river at the beginning. 1074 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,640 There's the ocean, there's the Canyon that Blue Bottle falls 1075 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:09,040 into when you touch the ride Vaquero ride to jump over the 1076 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,520 Canyon. So there's plenty of 1077 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,640 opportunity. I mean, you say he's a character 1078 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,360 you don't like. Well, come on, he's not a 1079 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,000 character. He's a catch phrase, isn't he? 1080 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,840 Well, he is, and that's all he is. 1081 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,520 He is, He is. I think by this point, yeah, I 1082 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,280 think they would just the easing of using. 1083 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,760 Him. They were better than that. 1084 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,800 Yes, and of course he doesn't turn up in the original 1085 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,640 Dishonored, so no, he does. That helps as well. 1086 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,360 It's the classic grit pipe and Moriarty con, isn't it? 1087 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:43,200 Where where poor old Neddy is the Patsy who gets used to to to 1088 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,240 enable them to make off with the gold. 1089 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,440 But it's it's it's world spanning, is that it? 1090 01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,240 It leaves these shores and ends up in, in India and, and takes 1091 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,320 in the, the, the, but they, they talk, they, they, they say the 1092 01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,040 Pathan tribes. That's a mispronunciation. 1093 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,280 Milligan should have put that right. 1094 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:07,600 The Pathan tribes led by the, led by the red bladder and so 1095 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,720 on. So it's like I say, it's it's a 1096 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:15,080 lovely succession of sequences with all our favorite 1097 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,560 characters, with Neddy absolutely striding 1098 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,200 magnificently through the middle of them all. 1099 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,440 That's I think that's it really. That's it's a good episode. 1100 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,520 I was just checking as well just then because it's the script is 1101 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,800 credited to Spike certainly. Yeah. 1102 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,080 But of course, it in series five it was credited to Eric Sykes 1103 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,880 and Spike or Spike and Eric Sykes. 1104 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,440 Right. OK, I didn't notice that. 1105 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:51,160 But so Eric was Co credited on all but six. 1106 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,040 So the first six goon shows of series five were written by 1107 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,960 Spike and then the subsequent, I think 5 or 6 actually. 1108 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,800 And then subsequent shows were all all credited to either Spike 1109 01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,960 Milligan and Eric Sykes or Eric Sykes and Spike Milligan. 1110 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:09,080 And depending on whose name went first, basically he did the 1111 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,560 lion's share of the script. Yeah, yeah. 1112 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,440 It's a bit like Lennon and McCartney sort of that that sort 1113 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,080 of thing. But I did just check. 1114 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,640 Yeah. Dishonored from series 5 Spike 1115 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,880 pretty much wrote himself, but it's but it's quite a good plot. 1116 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,160 There's quite a good, you know, even the ending, the ending is 1117 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,680 is an interesting ending because it doesn't just it's it doesn't 1118 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,520 just it's not one of those hanging endings that you a 1119 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,080 little. White stone with a description 1120 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,760 in Hindustani. I didn't have the heart to tell 1121 01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,200 her. It roughly translates as Bombay 1122 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,440 49 miles. That's a proper ending that puts 1123 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,880 a proper. Ties it up nicely. 1124 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,200 And Bombay, 49 miles. And then crash in with the Old 1125 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,720 Comrades March. Yeah, the theme. 1126 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,240 And then the Old Comrades marcher. 1127 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,520 Yes. Oh, lovely, lovely, lovely, 1128 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,320 lovely. And the recording I heard. 1129 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,480 I don't know what had happened, but the voice over, I didn't 1130 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,440 listen it on the album. I listened to it on the Radio 1131 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,840 Echo's website. I don't know if you're aware of 1132 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,320 that. It's every June show and and 1133 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,240 more is on there and, and it was a a modern sounding female 1134 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,280 voice, like someone from Radio Four extra or something that 1135 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,480 reads out the credits on the end. 1136 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,120 So it's possible we haven't got the the original credits on this 1137 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,600 one, I don't know. Well, the no so the on the 1138 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:36,280 original, sadly I don't know whether because Ted Kendall 1139 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:41,760 restored this show for the Goon Show Compendium, which is where 1140 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,440 I listen to it on the original broadcast version. 1141 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:52,240 The duty announcer, the BBC duty announcer over the old comrades 1142 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:52,800 March. Yeah. 1143 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:58,280 He said that recorded new production of a 1954 vintage 1144 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,640 Goon show was produced by John Browell. 1145 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,200 Then he said I love this. Peter Sellers is now appearing 1146 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,080 in Brouhaha at the Oldwich Theatre, London, and Harry 1147 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,360 Seekum in Largest Life at the Opera House, Manchester. 1148 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,960 They always used to do that, you know, on the yeah, that was a 1149 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,120 regular thing, not just on radio, on telly as well. 1150 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,240 If somebody was in a big production somewhere and and 1151 01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:22,200 they'd had to get the permission of the the producer to use them 1152 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,560 on, on, on that. Absolutely. 1153 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,040 Trevor Banister is is now appearing in When did You Last 1154 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,640 See your trousers? Exactly, exactly that sort of 1155 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,359 thing. Yeah, yeah. 1156 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,880 Almost everybody at one point appeared to be in no sex please 1157 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,200 with British. Yes, yeah, that, that. 1158 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,560 That because I remember it was going on even up to about 1159 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:48,720 1991199091 because the first episode of Bottom. 1160 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,200 OK. As the credits at the end 1161 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,920 rolled, you've got the duty announcer or whoever's saying 1162 01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,439 Rick Mail and Adrian Edmondson are repairing in Waiting for 1163 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,720 Godot. Such and such, yes, that would 1164 01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,560 have been worth seeing. Yes it would. 1165 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,880 There is clips. I have seen clips, but 1166 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,560 unfortunately not a full recording. 1167 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:19,399 So there was a little bit of mild Radio 4 controversy. 1168 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,600 All right. OK. 1169 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,960 So what are the other things about this? 1170 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,880 So it's issued on LP as we know. It's repeated. 1171 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,560 Let's let me just say it's repeated about. 1172 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:37,760 Let me count here. It's repeated about 5 * 5 or 6 1173 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:44,319 times before BBC, before the advent of BBC Seven, when goon 1174 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,920 shows were regularly repeated, if you know what I mean. 1175 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,680 BBC Seven, which is now what, four extra? 1176 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:55,840 Four extra, yeah. But it was repeated in in 1964 1177 01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:02,920 and 1960. In 1990, 2:00 and then in 1998 1178 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,480 at 11:00 in the evening on Radio 4. 1179 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,120 And do you remember feedback? I don't know if it's still 1180 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,600 going. Yeah, Radio 4, listen to 1181 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,000 feedback show. Yeah, absolutely. 1182 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:16,560 Yeah. Program. 1183 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,880 And there was a couple of people that wrote in complaining about 1184 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:29,880 the 1998 repeat broadcast of Dishonored again because of the 1185 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,320 fact that there'd been some cuts, right? 1186 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:39,640 So one listener who sounds like a hidebound old Colonel type, 1187 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:49,600 right, I wrote down here, he raged about variously Stalinist 1188 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:55,200 airbrushing by the BBC. He described them as a wretched 1189 01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:00,120 Baudlerizers and and he also had a pop. 1190 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,160 He said he talked about Ben Alton's politically correct 1191 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,240 ranting on BBC One the night before. 1192 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,000 But yeah, he and he and other listener had written in 1193 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,920 complaining that there were some obvious cuts, right. 1194 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,560 And the reason that, well, hang on, the reason that The thing is 1195 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:27,080 they played a couple of examples on the show on feedback. 1196 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,520 And yeah, there are a couple of clunky edits. 1197 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:33,720 They cut out the bit where where Ned says about Christmas Eve and 1198 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,840 still no offers of pantomime. They cut the bit where he talks 1199 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,640 about being disguised as a Zulu warrior of the Matabele rising. 1200 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:44,200 And they cut the bit where when when Williams tossed into the 1201 01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,920 river the first time, they cut the Merry Christmas reference, 1202 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,400 right. And, and they're, they're very 1203 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,000 inelegantly done as well, these, these edits. 1204 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,520 Immediately I backed a large horse drawn motor van up to the 1205 01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,560 front entrance of the bank. Yeah, you come. 1206 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,160 Perfect. Yes, Sir. 1207 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,120 Yeah. The constable. 1208 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:03,440 How would you like to join the river? 1209 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:09,640 Peace. Oh, you like that very much. 1210 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,560 Thank you very much, Kelly. I'm ready. 1211 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,120 Yes. It's a lovely day for carrying 1212 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:17,720 on there. Right next, I carefully disguise 1213 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,520 myself so Kelly was my makeup. Not even my own grandmother 1214 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,720 would have recognized me. Hello, Denny. 1215 01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:26,440 Hello, Granny. Richard Edis, who was the BBC 1216 01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:30,760 man responsible for the broadcast of this Dishonored 1217 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,160 again in 1998. He's bought onto the program and 1218 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,280 at first he just says look, you know, the original show was 30 1219 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,040 minutes. Because of the way Radio 4 is 1220 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,160 now, we have to squeeze a 30 minute show into 28 minutes. 1221 01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:52,160 So, you know, we couldn't play the original and the host was 1222 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,200 kind of playing devil's advocate to a bit, but it was, you know, 1223 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,680 he was a spokesman for the listeners who were complaining 1224 01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,960 and blah, blah, blah. But then Richard Edis basically 1225 01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:03,640 said, which is quite right. He said, look, don't blame me. 1226 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,240 We didn't say don't blame me. He basically said, look, we just 1227 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:11,360 used, we just played the the transcription services version, 1228 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,840 which is at that time, you know, nearly 40 years old, OK? 1229 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,640 It's not, these aren't cuts that we've made in 1998. 1230 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,320 These are old cuts, OK? As indeed for some of the 1231 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,600 listeners, no doubt. But the problem is right. 1232 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,760 The problem is the reason that people realized there were cats. 1233 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,320 OK, there was one particularly bad edit, right? 1234 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,240 But the reason people realized there were cats was because they 1235 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,080 were so used to this show from listening to the LP version. 1236 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,120 Yeah, right. My, my question would be, well, 1237 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,400 if you, if you're so used to the LP version, why you listen to it 1238 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,480 at 11:00 in the evening on Radio 4? 1239 01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:52,400 You know what I mean? We do though, don't we? 1240 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,240 We do that sort of thing, don't we? 1241 01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:55,960 I know I do. With Doctor Who, you know. 1242 01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,120 I suppose so, yeah. But but then the host basically 1243 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,640 said to Edis, well, you should have, you should have tried to 1244 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,480 clean up the mess the transcription people have made 1245 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,280 of those edits. And he said, well, yeah, but 1246 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,840 that would take time and money. And I don't, you know, just 1247 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,600 didn't have the budget really to do that, you know. 1248 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,080 And then the end the conversation with the hosts 1249 01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,440 asking if Goon Show fans would do an apology. 1250 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,680 Absolute Tommy Rod. Do you feel that Goon show? 1251 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,000 Addicts, of which there are great many, clearly are entitled 1252 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,360 to something of an apology over this. 1253 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,240 Not from me, no. I'd suggest that the best course 1254 01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,760 of action is to write to either feedback or pass their comments 1255 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,240 on to the schedulers who work for Radio 4. 1256 01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,760 I don't know how you feel about cutting of, you know, removing 1257 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,960 of of racially sensitive or sexist or topical. 1258 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,080 Or all in favour? Whatever it may be, all in 1259 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,880 favour as, as we, yeah, we've talked about this on a number of 1260 01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,600 occasions. And if it's, if it's going out 1261 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,920 on the radio, if it's going out, if you're a passive consumer, I 1262 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,280 think is what they say, then absolutely. 1263 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,120 If you're buying the whatever it may be, the CD or the DVD or the 1264 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,480 Blu-ray or whatever, you're inviting it into your home. 1265 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:16,720 That's right. So you're making, it's on you. 1266 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,000 Exactly. I agree with that absolutely. 1267 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:27,520 Yeah, So anywho, there we go. So, so Steve, thank you. 1268 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,080 It's been you've been great having you on because you've got 1269 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,560 so much to say and. I think the term you're looking 1270 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:39,200 for is gob shite. You've been a gob shite, Steve. 1271 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:45,920 Thank you very much. So have you got anything to plug 1272 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,720 at all? Anything. 1273 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,120 Well, well, it's, it's mostly Doctor Hui. 1274 01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,360 We're, we're, we're working on Hooverville, our annual 1275 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,760 convention. Hoover 16 is this year on the 1276 01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:03,280 30th of August and tickets still available from derbyquad.co.uk 1277 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,600 Derby Quad. We're working on Big Finish Day, 1278 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:12,640 which we're doing on the 21st of June, also at Derby Quad. 1279 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,840 Same source for the tickets. I've just, I've just finished 1280 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,880 writing. I know I can't talk about I've 1281 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,640 just finished writing a, a Doctor Who non fiction book, 1282 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,480 which will be due out in February of next year or being 1283 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,960 well and that will be announced in due course. 1284 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,440 It's part of a, a series of books. 1285 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:37,120 Mine will be #81 in a series, but those, you know, will be 1286 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,400 able to work out what that is. But it's not been announced yet. 1287 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,400 So shut up, Hatcher. And and yeah, that's about that. 1288 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,880 I didn't realize there was much of an audience for Doctor Who 1289 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,120 material. It's obscure, isn't it, Doctor 1290 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:55,600 Who? There's barely any podcasts out 1291 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,720 there. No, no, not at all. 1292 01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,680 There's a gap in the market for you. 1293 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,400 No, no, you're right, but you've absolutely cornered the market 1294 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,760 in in goon show podcasting, haven't you? 1295 01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,000 You've done a great job. It's I I like I say I I got I 1296 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,120 discovered your podcast quite regularly, quite recently. 1297 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:17,400 So I I went right back to the beginning and I'm working my way 1298 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,600 through. So I'm I'm some years behind. 1299 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,320 Oh, right, but I when I was. When I had a head of golden 1300 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,960 curls and downy cheeks and I was, I was an amateur, just 1301 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,640 finding my way. But there was something very 1302 01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:31,960 good. I'm. 1303 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,440 I'm a bit further in than that. Oh, OK. 1304 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,600 I think I'm trying to remember what was the last last one I 1305 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,760 heard. But this, this, this. 1306 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,320 Yeah. Because it's in the other room 1307 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:42,840 on me. Me. 1308 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:47,880 What's it? But yeah, I'm about must be 1309 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,960 about 40 episodes in or thereabouts. 1310 01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,360 Oh, I'll tell you what. I'm a roundabout, the one you 1311 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:58,280 did with Toby on, on the Scarlet Capsule roundabout then. 1312 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,680 But I've I've heard that that was the first one I listened to, 1313 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:03,880 but I've sort of caught up with that. 1314 01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:05,880 You, you have many riches to look. 1315 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,440 I do and much to learn much to learn, which is the joy of it 1316 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:17,080 that I've just just yes, you did a great one about the about the 1317 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,400 the gun show books. Yes, just recently listened to 1318 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,280 with. Mike Heskins, yes. 1319 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,320 I mean, and, and as I say, I did this little article about them 1320 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:31,040 for a, a, a magazine published by obverse books called from a 1321 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,200 story by and I had a little article about that in the first 1322 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:40,400 issue of that. And I think your podcast on it 1323 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,520 went far, far deeper and into so much more and better details and 1324 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,960 than I was able to do in my little article. 1325 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,920 So I learned stuff about that from there, so. 1326 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,920 I think Mike bought most of the new information to that 1327 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,400 conversation to be honest, but but thank you. 1328 01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,160 No. So Steve, really good, really 1329 01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,240 good to have you on. You will you will no doubt 1330 01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,720 return again in the future. Until then, all the very best 1331 01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:36,760 and speak to you very soon. The.