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On arrival of the Teahouse has 
instructed and knocked six 

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thousand times. 
Gloom. 

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Cuss his next door. 
It's always next door in China. 

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I'm not enough Tea. 
House of all this goon. 

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Yes. 
Huh. 

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Are you out poong? 
Yes, we are up on until 11:00. 

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Hello. 
And welcome to King pod as 

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you've just heard. 
It is China story this week that

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we are discussing. 
And of course, I feel I should 

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point out the obvious that the 
show the original show and and 

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the Remake contained language 
content and themes. 

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Of its time, okay? 
And joining me this week is 

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Roger Stevenson. 
Roger, you've already indicated 

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to me that you're probably the 
oldest or one of the oldest 

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people so far that's been on the
show. 

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Yes. 
Do you mind me asking when you 

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were born? 
1949 1949 okay. 

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So so you'd have been old enough
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first time around then no well I
never did hear it. 

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The first time around that show.
I came to the goons by quite a 

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Securities route, right? 
I think I was a bit too. 

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Young was about 10, when they 
finished. 

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Mmm. 
So I was just that, right? 

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Sort of pre-pubescent age for 
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God and to tell your goons was 
awful. 

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Don't get me wrong. 
Yeah, it's scarred me for life 

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because when I envisage any 
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member I get the pictures of 
tele goons in my head. 

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Yeah. 
But which is awful because I 

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think major blood look looks 
nothing like that. 

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But yeah, and it was so Of all 
the rage scorer, I went to boys,

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grammar school, and this was 
wonderful. 

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You know, we all did the voices 
all the time, my friend Paul and

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myself caused uproar in an 
English lesson because we're 

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doing Beth is doing Macbeth in 
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read it out loud. 
Round the classroom. 

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Yeah, and myself, Paul did two 
of The Witches as Minden Henry. 

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Absolutely. 
When shall we three meet again? 

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That's a huge sigh of 
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When the third boy said, which 
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or lack of nerve. 
Just did it on his normal voice.

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And then I guess they 
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it's not like it is today. 
There's no going back over, 

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previous things, and internet. 
And that it's what happened as 

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it happened. 
And then, the next thing 

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happened was again in the 
playground. 

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It was have You read the Dustbin
of Milligan. 

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Okay. 
Yeah it led me to discover the 

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comedy section in the library. 
It's 827 in the Dewey Decimal 

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System I can still remember 
though, right? 

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It's covered things like little 
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all the other wonderful books 
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Then of course, the next big 
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Couple years later was pakkun. 
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Wonderful. 
Guy Hammer, I don't know how 

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many copies of given away. 
I don't know how many times over

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The opposed to makes me roar 
with laughter. 

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And then after that, we got the 
gun show scripts, wonderful. 

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So this is what it was all 
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Then, you know, and it's sort of
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more. 
This is a lot better than the 

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Telly goons ever was. 
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a dull Hitler and so on and 
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until mid 1970s. 
Why? 

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After all this I finally 
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show All right. 
Okay. 

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Which one was it? 
It was this one and again and 

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tells of old Dartmouth. 
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So I suppose you could say 
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show and I read the Goon show 
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she's kind of weird way around 
and doing it. 

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Is its opinion is they were all 
over the media. 

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I mean you got to remember it's 
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that there was just until 1968? 
There were two television 

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channels and until 67 there were
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Everyone sort of shared 
experience, you know, you could 

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talk to your grandparents about 
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you're listening to, and they'd 
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listened to the same thing is 
not like now where everyone goes

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around individual beats are 
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Yeah, they're all over the 
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You know, all these variety 
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were on panel shows. 
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Came in a bit later, but their 
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which was Do you ever heard of 
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Yeah. 
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Basically for entertainers 
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teenagers who can be it's a not 
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there saying it's a hit with me 
and disaster with the rest of 

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the country time. 
They're on the news and like it 

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was X goon Arch Google the 
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would always use Goomba not 
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Oh yes. 
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Because Michael Banting, this 
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this was it's a square world. 
I'm very sorry about that but it

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does bring us extremely neatly 
to our next subjects. 

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Pretenders to the throne here we
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Spanish throat. 
Next we see three Bobo who is 

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Pretender to the French throne 
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invented the world and chocolate
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We even have a pretender to the 
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Throne here is in the studio 
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Mr. Burt King with his ready 
kicking bird. 

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Miss king, bird kingdom. 
Good evening subject. 

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Is that your help? 
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goons because there's things 
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four men in bowler, hats 
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find the source. 
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the story about the Chinese junk
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Yes, you tell me about that 
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the details. 
Okay, yeah. 

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Well basically, it started off 
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from Soho to Greek Street and 
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benteen to do this thing jumps. 
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firing at the houses of 
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recorded and everything. 
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because a snap election was 
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politically sensitive. 
I don't get it either. 

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But yeah, pretty insensitive. 
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it sometime later, it had a huge
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was all in the papers, you know,
it's a square World canceled. 

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So it had a huge audience 
Michael Benson does a wonderful 

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story about it, but when they 
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a police long, to be honest, I'd
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He look like a Mongolian 
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He's great as policeman pulled 
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they finished and play silences.
I don't suppose any of you lot 

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speak English, you add wake me 
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on its Square world in the next 
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Great account for that. 
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Michael benteen, didn't fit with
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visual sense of humor. 
Hmm. 

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You know, Spike was sound is all
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you? 
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It was, if you watch some of 
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of it every time it was just as 
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way rather than an audio way. 
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the, the Goon show. 
Lot of the sketches, he was kind

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of aiming for Of a 
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documentary style. 
Where is Spike? 

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Was more about just Insanity. 
Yes. 

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And one-liners are gags and 
explosions. 

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often assume sketches the worm 
documentary style. 

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Yeah. 
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The other a similar letter that 
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the goons. 
Would you like to hear it? 

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It's weird. 
You've got a letter. 

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I'm someone called Andy alif, 

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right? 
Was a BBC producer and he 

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produced The Reluctant just 
might happen. 

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Yeah, and posted it on British 
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Facebook group. 
Yes. 

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Oh yeah, please read that yet. 
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done it first, Peter Regional, 
Peter Sellers are not clear. 

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Thank you very much for the 
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hard to make. 
There's only one snag that being

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possibility. 
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weekend. 
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wish you and the boys every 
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And the Really terrific series, 
Larry dropped him suggested a 

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guest appearance later in the 
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you all, but I do feel that 
professionally a break, must be 

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a break. 
Of course, I hope that our 

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friendship will continue for 
many years to come. 

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I honestly do feel that the guns
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three comics and a straight man.
As per example, danger, Men at 

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Work at the foregoing series did
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comedy with. 
Additionally, extra one shall 

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eagerly listened and if I can't 
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second It's kind of interesting 
because he turns up I know he 

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turns up it in the Giant Bomb 
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Yeah, as a guest in series 4. 
So here that is interesting. 

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It is interesting because it's 
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It's never been established 
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What drove him to leave. 
There's some rumors if you read.

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Roger, Lewis's book is sellers 
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if you know what I mean that 
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animosity. 
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which doesn't seem to be borne 
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explanations. 
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out and that we did actually 
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the Amazon. 
You know, he wasn't restricted 

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to much as that some of those 
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And also I think he was quite 

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independently wealthy. 
Wasn't he? 

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So he he was able to pursue lots
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Pursuits, if you learn. 
So one of the questions I always

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ask people is with regards to 
the Goon show. 

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Did you use to skip the music 
and listening to it? 

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I did. 
But I don't anymore. 

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Okay, I think it's just an 
appreciation that basically, the

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Goon show comes from sort of 
variety and however, I got stuff

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out basically a play comic play,
whereas variety was always what 

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it says variety. 
You get a juggler. 

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You guest singer you again. 
According play it out comic and 

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It just fits in with that. 
You know. 

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It's not all comedy. 
You put in something part way 

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through. 
Just a alter, the tone, just 

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change of pace etcetera. 
And so I've gone, I've grown to 

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appreciate that but what it is 
Yeah, me too. 

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Because I used to, I had them 
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to fast forward, you certainly 
through geldray but now 

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listening back. 
Now listen to them. 

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Again, 30 years later on, 
appreciating it, more the music.

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And, and it all admits it all 
together. 

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I think it doesn't just it's 
just a light, and shade thing 

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really, isn't it? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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You mentioned China, Tom and the
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Neatly segues Ascend to the 
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So you indicated you wanted to 
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Show episode China story now 
there's two versions of that. 

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There's the version that we're 
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And then there was the Remake in
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And I think the Remake is the 
one that you prefer is that 

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right? 
I think I like them both. 

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Actually, I'd actually of the 
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enough remakes. 
I just wonder if spite would 

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have been quite so exhausted. 
If he hadn't already made more, 

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I mean, Dishonored and 
Dishonored again are both 

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brilliant. 
Yeah. 

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Robin Hood Hastings flyer. 
The whole, the whole of the 

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vintage series, it just seems to
me that the thing that I lasted 

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longer and he might have lasted 
longer be taken some of those 

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Series 4, maybe series three 
programs, and just expanding 

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six and and that itself was 
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Episode was no. 
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because it, it is a one-off as 
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and Harry's fluff lines and so 
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I'll put a bit of background 
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that, but I wanted to just talk 
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a few exceptions, the script is 
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references in the remake were 
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the to the script. 
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through you know both episodes 
of You like so China story is in

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series 5. 
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5 and its broadcast the 18th of 
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and Eric Sykes. 
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and Spike Milligan episodes, it 
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involvement than the other, if 
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driven by Spike. 
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apart from the ending the way 
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story of such, whereas Spike was
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say true truth? 
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surprising really. 
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nowhere, look pretty stupid when
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doesn't it? 
But that is true. 

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I never thought of that yes, 
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isn't there and it does pay off 
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also Reminded me very much 
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colonel, get packed in and count
Mariotti trying to involve the 

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Joop nidhi. 
See goon trying to involve him 

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in an assassination plot which 
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the week before the show before 
this was the case of the missing

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are set in. 
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again, grip, Piper, Marie out, 
even trying to get ready too. 

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More or less assassinate 
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Now, this show, by the way, 
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of jump too far ahead but it was
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In 68, along with the net, Ricky
rising of 74. 

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And with the, if you seek me, 
have you seen the original cover

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of the lp where they're wearing 
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Really terrible cover. 
But did you did you pick that LP

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up at all or that tape the tape 
of it up? 

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No 70s. 
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after Dishonored and tells well 
Dartmoor Along Came marriage and

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family. 
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window basically till internet. 
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show depository and all these 
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I can listen to the never heard,
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then everything, right. 
I see. 

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Okay, okay, I hadn't listened to
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because I'm gradually working my
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Again, having essentially moved 
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things a bit. 
Like you, I suppose, you know, I

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grew up. 
I grew out, grew out of them, 

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but I just, I still kept an 
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whole. 
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shows on a regular basis for 
sure. 

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And, and I'm the last Years. 
I'm working my way through them 

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again, and this podcast is 
partly a way for me to do that. 

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But I hadn't listened to China 
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And I was expecting it to be a 
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than a then it was, I suppose if
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terms of when I say problematic 
in terms of through modernize, 

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okay, in terms of some of the 
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And so yeah, there's a couple of
Racial slurs at railing to. 

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Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

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Audience don't so have a nervous
laughter at. 

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Yeah this look there's lots of 
erroneous elves inserted into 

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its as well. 
Mentions of cool is. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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But in my head my memory was 
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worse than it was if you know 
what I mean. 

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And and and I'm not one of these
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of rewrite history and say, 
well, it shouldn't be, you know,

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the sort of thing shouldn't be 
allowed and we should suppress 

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it. 
I think it is very much of its 

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time and it was just in keeping 
with the sort of mores of the 

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age of the time of the period. 
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contemporary Comics would have 
survived in 1950s radio? 

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There's not many really lacked. 
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kind of he banged the drum. 
We Spike such a complex 

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character. 
Could be such a contradictory 

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character, isn't he? 
And, you know, he was still 

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doing the sort of, shall we say 
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well, into the 70s, in the Q 
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But in this, you know, you give 
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it's just, you know, it's it was
of its time and that, that 

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that's the way that you have to 
drink these shows and it's 

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funny. 
That is fine. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
It's all so anyway, I think it, 

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I mean I read something because 
in 1955, there was a an 

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interview in a magazine called 
Arc. 

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Okay. 
Which I think was sort of like 

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an Arts magazine. 
I'm not quite sure but there was

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an interview between Peter, 
eaten producer, Peter, eaten and

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Spike. 
Okay? 

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And not quite sure. 
The what Background was to this 

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conversation but was just a 
general interview about the 

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goons between eaten and 
Milligan. 

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And I just want to read you some
of this because it's specific to

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China story. 
So Eaton says to Milligan. 

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How do you start to write a 
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Take for instance, China Story, 
the one that critics reviewed 

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in, which I consider the best of
the whole series, by the way, 

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the critics. 
Do, you know about the critics? 

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No, no. 
So the Ex was a radio version of

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a suppose was that Mark Lawson 
program late review. 

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It isn't an example of it on one
of the compendiums there is. 

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Yeah, there there's a recording 
of them discussing. 

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Let's say, the critics as to say
it was a radio review, Arts 

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review, TV film books, Etc. 
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been. 
They might have just been 

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discussing in radio. 
I'm not quite sure, but there is

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a recording of it on the Indian,
but it's really atrocious 

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quality of his in barely herot 
but the as the critics reviewed 

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China Story the week it went out
and we're very favorable, I 

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think about it but Peter Eaton 
says yeah he asks Mike about 

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China story and spikes as well. 
First of all childhood, 

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Recollections of China when we 
were all young, the first thing 

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we ever heard about Chinaman 
with things like Foo Manchu and 

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they were always fiendish and 
always lay on hard wooden 

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benches. 
Smoking opium pipe. 

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Oops and looking through bead 
curtains, then when you grow up 

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and you realize that they're not
a bit like that and how you been

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hoaxed as a child beautifully 
and enjoyably hoaxed, you begin 

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to laugh at it. 
When you think of all these 

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idiots in these novels, I just 
put them together and they write

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themselves. 
There's the fiendish Chinaman 

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and then we always bring it in 
English, upright piano, because 

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they seem to have been the most 
useless thing in British social 

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life. 
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there seemed to be one in every 
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keys, yellow, and it always just
been tuned, but Played. 

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I thought now. 
And every house along the 

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street. 
There is one of these things 

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complete with brass candle 
holders, and it's quite quite 

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useless. 
Why not take one to China, a 

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Chinaman wants one equally 
useless to him and to make it 

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even funnier. 
I decided to take it to a 

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Chinese naffy. 
Then of course that always were 

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the terrible outdated English 
characters and story about 20 

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years behind the times talking 
about fiendish, John Chinaman. 

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That's how it goes on. 
There's no question of deep 

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satire. 
We just have Fun past ideas, 

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incorporating people being 
slightly out of date so it's a 

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bit of a satire on the hearty 
British Adventurer type if you 

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do a lot of this stuff is you 
know how many times does nanny 

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Seagram? 
Sing, there'll always be an 

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England, the various programs. 
Its he's always sending up 

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slightly. 
That's right because it's got a 

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what is it? 
A neon-lit Union Jack above his 

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head in this Yes, he's the 
British Ambassador but he's 

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obviously a bit down on his 
luck. 

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The the quote heroic British 
characters in The Goon show, 

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were, always down at heel. 
Only the never always not quite 

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as Brave, as I thought they were
now. 

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Absolutely. 
So notice Egan is British 

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ambassador to China. 
He's on the Shanghai Waterfront.

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And, as I say, he's engaged in 
conversation by grip by Band, 

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Moriarty and We have this 
recurring gag which I think is 

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wonderful with Adolphus sprigs. 
That's I think is the best 

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recurring gag. 
He's done. 

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I can still remember the first 
time I heard it falling about 

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laughing every time a dog for 
spring stand up. 

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It's it's put into the story so 
beautifully which again I wonder

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if that's a bit of Eric Sykes 
coming in there. 

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This is but it here but just the
right Gap, each time so you 

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forgotten about him. 
Mmm. 

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Holding me coins lose when you 
three gentlemen, be suiting him 

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for the next few minutes as only
morning mr. 

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Rawley was home tonight. 
Who did he mean? 

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I'm Bound for the heels on and 
of on either team on for good 

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annoyed. 
Pretty mean, on of wouldn't put 

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him on. 
Yes. 

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No, she going. 
This is the idea. 

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We have gentle Moon. 
You heard my me, Lord, you. 

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And I think that this little 
wooden box with a slit in the 

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club, speeds, the boring tool? 
Yes. - the first thing you have 

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to do, gentlemen, I understand 
you. 

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Want an uncle. 
Oh joy. 

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Hmm. 
Would you please? 

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Well done, mate. 
Our team just check the little 

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wooden box, would you? 
Yeah, so, so we have this 

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recurring appearances from 
Adolphus Briggs. 

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He's desperate desperate to sing
this song, and whispered to get 

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paid for it. 
And it's interesting when you 

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listen to the fifth series 
episode of the original version 

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of China story, Adolphus, Briggs
is all through the show, to the 

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extent that equals doesn't Up 
because I guess there's no room 

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for error course, apples and men
are both conspicuous by their 

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absence true - closest. 
Yeah, minute. 

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I think that's just spiked, 
really, I'm not sure. 

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He always had that great faith 
in it is own ability as an 

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actor. 
In fact, I'm another way you've 

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got to wait to Victoria Wood for
another comic writer who was as 

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happy as Spike was to share the 
jokes around the whole cast. 

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Yeah, that's a good point. 
Aunt, yes. 

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We look at Acorn antiques. 
She can. 

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She's kind of The Drudge, isn't 
it? 

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Isn't she doesn't get the gags 
as much as as mrs. 

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Overall, and it's the same with 
dinnerladies her, that the gags 

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are spread out amongst all of 
them yet. 

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She gets one or two herself but 
everyone gets a shot. 

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That's true. 
The same, as Spike. 

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He always happy at least not so 
much in Cuba perhaps, but in the

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gun show with the people around 
him, he was always happy to let 

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them. 
The lumps. 

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Well yeah. 
I think the biggest laugh on 

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the, on the Remake in 56 is the 
reference to, which is a fresh, 

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a topical gag that's inserted 
into the Remake which is about 

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Colonel NASA which was very 
topical the time. 

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Because yeah. 
Suez Crisis. 

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Yeah. 
So that be do you remember the 

452
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,700
you to be told enough maybe just
just about old enough to 

453
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:51,500
remember the Suez Crisis. 
I remember the words right? 

454
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:52,700
Okay. 
With the words this is Christ is

455
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,000
very much to me but it was 
something that was spoken about 

456
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,600
Even as it does a couple years 
later, this talked about the 

457
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,300
Suez Crisis is something that 
happened but in six years old 

458
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,900
it's not as important as Roy 
Rogers on the television. 

459
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:10,900
When yeah. 
So in August 56 when they when 

460
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,300
they remade the try to steal 
China story, thank you venue 

461
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:18,100
before I think seagoing bursts 
into a rendition of there'll 

462
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:21,400
always be an England. 
We're trying to ice rickshaws 

463
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,900
and a picture of Colonel 
nurseries. 

464
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,800
Fat. 
Always be an England, and 

465
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:35,000
England shall be free. 
If england means as much to you 

466
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Grand means now, we'll never get
it back. 

467
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:06,700
The plot is that gripped by the 
Moriarty dates, a to see again, 

468
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:11,400
that they are working with the 
Chinese leader, General cash, my

469
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:19,000
check and against him, although 
he said he calls cash, my check 

470
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,000
is dreaded rival. 
Oh, well, there's a working. 

471
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,300
Well, I know that they're 
working against them at the end,

472
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:29,200
but I thought that They imply 
that. 

473
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:33,900
That he has cash my check once 
to pay 50 million yen, to anyone

474
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,700
who could snuggle, that's the 
subterfuge, isn't it? 

475
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:39,500
You know, natural phase a 
dreaded rival, okay? 

476
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:44,400
Because I can see makes them 
Communists with Mao Zedong weird

477
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,700
group Bible. 
Moriarty, I'm with the Chinese 

478
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,300
Communist is quite an 
interesting because there are 

479
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:54,100
complexities to the script. 
I hadn't been aware of, the you 

480
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:59,400
pointed it out, but siguen needs
to get this piano and smuggle it

481
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,500
to Cash my check. 
So he has to go to the this is 

482
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,200
the pretty one of the most 
memorable. 

483
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,600
It probably is up there as being
the most memorable sound of 

484
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,300
extended. 
Something gag is going to show 

485
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:16,800
history. 
He has to go to the Teahouse of 

486
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,300
the August goon. 
Yes, you know who cash? 

487
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:24,800
My check is a joke on Douglas. 
Well, I presume it was a Cayenne

488
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Kai-shek, so I should go check 
the Chinese nationalist leader 

489
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200
on Taiwan. 
Yeah. 

490
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Didn't he do? 
It was another famous March that

491
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,300
he was involved with. 
He went on a March, something 

492
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:41,500
like that was going on. 
There was not much of a thousand

493
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,600
miles away. 
All right. 

494
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Should have done my research and
there's, I'm just going from 

495
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,200
school history memory. 
Remembering that street from 

496
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,300
school, he was. 
And of course, the hell's, the 

497
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:56,500
August goon I presume Teahouse 
of the August Moon was current 

498
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,700
at the time. 
I was a player as a as a film 

499
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:04,400
with Marlon Brando's are some 
Japanese boy if you can envisage

500
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,100
that. 
Yeah, mmm doesn't get shown on 

501
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,000
TV anymore. 
I guess. 

502
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,500
That one. 
It's quite funny actually. 

503
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,300
It's really about American 
imperialism that. 

504
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,000
They want to build a school in 
the locals. 

505
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,300
Want the guy shelves, okay, 
finally film. 

506
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:26,000
If you can get past Marlon 
Brando's, he's going. 

507
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,800
So seagoing has to go to the Tea
House of always good. 

508
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,000
And knock 6,000 times at last 
for pong. 

509
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:38,500
And then we had this wonderful. 
I just, I'd love to know how 

510
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,600
they went about putting the 
sound effect together. 

511
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,300
It sounds to me as if they did 
so many knocks and then speak to

512
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,900
the tape up from sounds like, 
isn't it? 

513
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:53,300
So, yeah, if you got a tape of 
lots of knocks like that, 

514
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:56,300
spliced and speed it up, spliced
it with the normal one. 

515
00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,400
And so on it, I think it sounds 
something like that at the Is it

516
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:03,600
sound effect trickery? 
As It sped up at sounds at one 

517
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,900
point like it's going to take 
off. 

518
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,400
Like it's a, it's some sort of 
aircraft or something, you know.

519
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,800
Absolutely. 
Wonderful in my opinion, it is 

520
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,900
and especially as the the again,
it goes to the end of it and 

521
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,200
he's puffing and panting 
Teahouse of the August Moon. 

522
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,100
No. 
Yeah. 

523
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:30,800
And then they have The Bravery. 
If you like to repeat it, Spike 

524
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,700
was always very good at filling 
periods of time there wasn't he 

525
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,900
was silences or meaningless 
little conversations and so on. 

526
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,100
And even the times he would say 
only did that bit to fill up 

527
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:45,600
another two minutes. 
Just that there's a line that 

528
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200
I've never understood and I 
wonder if you can if there's an 

529
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,700
obvious joke, I'm missing but 
when he when he first knocks, 

530
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:56,500
he's told it there's next door, 
he says curse, it's always next 

531
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,400
door in China. 
Yeah. 

532
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,100
It's a special racial joke 
actually about the eyes. 

533
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,800
All right, what the rude one 
about standing in toilets. 

534
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,300
Okay I'll stop there shot. 
I'm so yeah right all right then

535
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:23,199
all these are you cringe at them
now but that the currency at the

536
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,699
time this is all these jokes. 
It's like the one in here about 

537
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:31,600
There was going the other way. 
It's an old, very rude. 

538
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,699
Joe racist, joke. 
Like, it's his turn in the 

539
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:37,900
barrel. 
Oh, yes. 

540
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:42,699
I know that is all Races looks 
currency of the time. 

541
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,500
Before we go any further, did 
you have a particular favorite 

542
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:52,100
character in the Goon show? 
Overall, Oh difficult alone. 

543
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,300
I think like everyone I started 
off with Echols and bluebottle 

544
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,800
their exchanges were always 
wonderful to behold and it's 

545
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,500
changes over the years. 
It was for some time as men and 

546
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,800
Henry, I'd love million him was 
B. 

547
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,100
I also like Nettie, see going 
either with grip type thing or 

548
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:14,200
web love, not that. 
That timing of those two 

549
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,300
together is absolutely 
brilliant. 

550
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,300
Just lately. 
I think I've come to really 

551
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,300
appreciate that. 
As well as greenslade. 

552
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,500
Oh, yes, he doesn't quite send 
himself up, but he almost as 

553
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,700
well as Andrew Timothy was 
straight. 

554
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,300
Absolutely straight. 
And he got the impression. 

555
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,600
He didn't like the show very 
much doing it for the money 

556
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:37,300
Wallace greenslade. 
You can't. 

557
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:39,200
I mean even in this he says, oh 
greenslade. 

558
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,000
How can they afford you? 
He's obviously loving it. 

559
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:49,100
And and this is peace in here 
about Some woman in course it's 

560
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,600
make an absolutely good program 
and the other bit but Yin Tong 

561
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,800
did lipo isn't currency. 
They are beautifully done you 

562
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,200
know just slight Touch of send 
up. 

563
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:02,700
I will. 
Which would culminate in the 

564
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,100
green suit story. 
Yes, sex. 

565
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:08,100
Yeah. 
You mentioned about the the line

566
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,500
about the corsets. 
So yes. 

567
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:16,600
So that there's a, there's a 
sequence where greenslade, the 

568
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,200
he says, ladies and gentleman. 
While our heroes are getting 

569
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,400
that certain English piano up 
onto the stage of the secret 

570
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,400
Chinese Navy. 
I'd like to draw your attention 

571
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,600
to page 52 of this week's video 
times it shows a three-quarter 

572
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,100
rear view of a lady wearing. 
A pair of corsets would like to 

573
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:34,100
point out that this is an 
advertisement and not a program,

574
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,600
etc, etc. 
Now Of course, I did. 

575
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:39,800
I went to, I knew, I just 
thought I will. 

576
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,300
I will check. 
And I looked at the radio times 

577
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:46,600
for the week that all the week 
before, since the week, that I 

578
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,400
guess might would have been 
Writing spike in Eric would have

579
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,700
been writing trying to story and
I Look to page 52, which was the

580
00:36:56,700 --> 00:37:00,800
back cover of the radio times. 
Sure enough there is a woman 

581
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:06,500
wearing corsets, wow. 
And it's what is it here? 

582
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,900
But it here, the high-waist 
girdle. 

583
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,400
The new back-end, you stroke 
back new back and 

584
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,600
self-adjusting, front. 
Fist bump. 

585
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,200
I'd like to think that Spike or 
Eric, the, with David, just sort

586
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,600
of leafing through the radio 
times or it was, you know, it 

587
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,700
was on the coffee table and they
just saw that and thought, 

588
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:30,600
right? 
Let's make a gag out of that, 

589
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:34,900
you know, where as and the thing
is, it gets that gets repeated 

590
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,500
When they make it again in 56 
and I did go and check that 

591
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,300
weeks radio times and know there
was there was no corsets on the 

592
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,400
back of that that's the other 
thing is butchered the second 

593
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000
time around another reason which
we think they've been drinking 

594
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,600
because you get Echoes and 
bluebottle shadowing greensly. 

595
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,900
Yes you do it kind of ruins a 
point that joke for me I thought

596
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:02,300
you know I don't mind I don't 
mind them doing it and tell him 

597
00:38:02,308 --> 00:38:05,300
to shut up. 
But I feel here the ruining a 

598
00:38:05,308 --> 00:38:07,500
good guy. 
Ladies and gentlemen, while our 

599
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,200
heroes are getting the certain 
English piano up onto the stage 

600
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,000
of the secret Chinese neffe. 
I would like to draw your 

601
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,400
attention to the back page of 
this week's radio time. 

602
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,900
It shows a three-quarter semi 
profile view of a distinguished 

603
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,800
lady. 
Wearing a pair, of course it 

604
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:31,300
will you shut up? 
He has inclusion of equals. 

605
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,900
Yeah. 
Oh, by the way, Sorry, I meant 

606
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,800
to what I normally do with, with
green shows of this period, 

607
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,800
there's always a or the tends to
be a synopsis in the radio times

608
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,400
which often Bears no or very 
little resemblance to the actual

609
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,300
shows plot but but there is for 
this, there is a synopsis which 

610
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:57,900
I will read. 
So it's from, as I say, 18th of 

611
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:04,700
January 1955, 8:30, the Goon 
show China story during the year

612
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:08,000
of the Surprising when the Far 
East from Shanghai to Peking was

613
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,500
seething with spies and arms 
Smugglers raffle. 

614
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,200
See goon a swaggering racketeer 
and part-time dustman was 

615
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,800
approached by Mandarin grit 
paper thin and general cash. 

616
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,900
My check to join them in the 
most staggering International 

617
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:23,900
Financial coup of all time. 
And then there's a list of 

618
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:28,500
characters, very few of whom 
actually appear. 

619
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,900
Fred Foo Manchu played by Peter 
Sellers raffle Siegen, which of 

620
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,200
course, he wasn't Raffles in the
in the show. 

621
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,500
Kowloon Mick teeth. 
Spike Milligan are pong played 

622
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,600
by Harry seek him this time it 
was it was spiked in the actual 

623
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,100
show. 
Beachcomber are calls Mission 

624
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:49,000
reek run and missionary 
banister. 

625
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,400
And there's no I mean, Eric was 
in many on in the show like you 

626
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,600
say and it goes on to say, 
Harry, C comes appearing in 

627
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,500
Cinderella at the Hippodrome 
theater Coventry, okay. 

628
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:05,500
This just doesn't it Bears. 
No resemblance to the Will show 

629
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,000
really, does it? 
Do we know how long before the 

630
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,100
show these things had to be put 
into the radio times? 

631
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:13,900
Yeah, I don't know. 
You'd have thought it would have

632
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,400
to be as few weeks only. 
Yeah. 

633
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,700
So basically it may be where he 
started. 

634
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,600
It's not where he finished. 
Yes. 

635
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,000
Yet the idea of a China drama. 
Yeah, exactly. 

636
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,800
And all his stuff when you 
started examine it. 

637
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,100
It's amazing how much of it is 
actually topical, isn't it? 

638
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,700
And like you say the NASA quote,
And Shanghai shape, and the 

639
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:41,800
references to was it, a need to 
stop us something in the first 

640
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,700
10. 
So right, Ava Scott, this is 

641
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:49,400
dangerous to Godless. 
And so, blue bottle, later on 

642
00:40:49,408 --> 00:40:53,000
when Blue Bottle appears, he 
only talks about Grace Kelly, 

643
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,300
rather simple, insidiously 
thing. 

644
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:56,700
Yeah. 
Grace Kelly. 

645
00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:01,300
And William Holden isn't it in 
the, in the film bridges of Toko

646
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Checker ryori? 
Yeah. 

647
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,600
Which is about a Navy fighter 
pilot, who is married to Grace 

648
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,900
Kelly or something like that. 
But Grace, get that would have 

649
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:17,200
been around the time. 
When did she marry Prince? 

650
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,900
Rainier was that? 
It was around this time. 

651
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:21,000
Wasn't it? 
55 56? 

652
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,900
Something like that and then she
retired. 

653
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:28,400
So that would have been one of 
the last films owners but no Ava

654
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,800
Scott so bleep ugly but at one 
point says, let's play the Ava 

655
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,800
Scott being fired game, right? 
Avis car. 

656
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:41,100
Hot. 
Was an actress who she was 

657
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,900
never. 
You know, she was never any 

658
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,300
great shakes as an actress out. 
Thing that she she went on to 

659
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:52,300
become a BBC TV continuity 
announcer in 1954. 

660
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,800
She got she got the job but then
she was, she was it seems rather

661
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,300
cruel. 
Very cruel. 

662
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,600
She was fired. 
In January 1955. 

663
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:09,600
So, when the show goes out, she 
was fired for being too sexy to 

664
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,500
glamorous too sexy. 
I don't know about employment 

665
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:20,100
tribunals in 1955, but surely to
God should have had a case and 

666
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:25,000
they exist back. 
Then I'm afraid and in and got 

667
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,100
some work on the notoriety of it
though. 

668
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:29,400
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

669
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,800
In the, in the remake of China 
story. 

670
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,500
It's Diana dors. 
Yeah. 

671
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,500
Yes, will notice current Lori, 
wasn't it. 

672
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:40,500
Someone threw in a swimming pool
and a husband of the time. 

673
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:44,200
I'm just someone in the face for
doing. 

674
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,600
So, it was that Dennis 
Hamilton's, that isn't it? 

675
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Yeah, yeah. 
I gather he was a pretty nasty 

676
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,000
piece of work, really? 
Yeah. 

677
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,100
I think she's quite attracted to
not see pieces of work. 

678
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
So back to the show. 
So yeah, we get the introduction

679
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,700
of blood Mark and then blood not
take. it's him by steamer to 

680
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:07,700
this missionary where the piano 
is and while on the steamer, 

681
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:13,800
they rescue a drowning man who 
turns out to be He's coming one.

682
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:21,400
He's coming to a poor Wayfarer. 
I'm on Annie. 

683
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Well, hell, did you see that 
coming? 

684
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,100
No, no, no. 
The last one, the one in the 

685
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,300
bushes I saw coming but I didn't
see that one coming. 

686
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Yes it's a doll for sprigs again
making it gets the easy thing. 

687
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,400
It tossed overboard. 
But soon, as I realize it's him 

688
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,800
at the mission, henrique run is 
auctioning, the piano. 

689
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,600
This is where there's lots of 
towels inserted into words and 

690
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,100
lots of Chinese voices, and 
cackling, and all the rest of 

691
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:02,600
it. 
Descends into James, Joyce, 

692
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,300
gibberish, doesn't it? 
It's just eventually becomes. 

693
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:08,400
It starts off as three pounds 
ten and it becomes, Bing, Bong, 

694
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,600
blue typical spike in those Ning
Nang. 

695
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,300
In the like, Yes. 
Love sounds like that. 

696
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:20,800
Yeah yeah and then we find out 
that the grip part of my reality

697
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,500
of put a bomb in the piano and 
it will explode, when the middle

698
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:30,400
a is played and then then they 
go to yangzi Province. 

699
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,700
They meet Blue Bottle, who's 
going to take them to the 

700
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:39,900
Chinese naafi, where cash my 
check is not feel of that point.

701
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:43,400
There's when they ask blue 
Bottle identified himself. 

702
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,800
I actually prefer the original 
where he's got a Chinese dragon 

703
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,500
tattoo hmm rather than the LCC 
sports shoes. 

704
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:54,100
Hmm, I find it works better 
with. 

705
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,900
I got a director of the thing 
about I've got what things 

706
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:58,800
weather got a Chinese dragon 
tattoo. 

707
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:04,100
It's typical bluebottle whereas 
LCC sports shoes, doesn't really

708
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:06,700
Mass story as well as Chinese 
dragon tattoo. 

709
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:08,700
That's true. 
Now, that's you right there. 

710
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:14,500
Is you'd like, yeah, you won. 
If there's a been, there's been 

711
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,300
a bit of tinkering with the 
script for the Remake and they 

712
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:23,000
do seem to be a lot more loose. 
The, the Remake was, it all came

713
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,300
about because the general 
overseas service requested, that

714
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:34,200
special edition of the Goon show
should be recorded at the radio 

715
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,200
exhibition, which was very 
highly regarded at the time as 

716
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,900
court, and it was going to be 
broadcast there. 

717
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Today was going to be broadcast 
recorded in August of had been 

718
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,800
broadcast in September and their
producer. 

719
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,100
At the time they regular 
producer. 

720
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:56,400
Pat Dixon was was unable to 
actually make that show so they 

721
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,200
actually interesting. 
They went back to the original 

722
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,900
producer. 
Dennis made Wilson, who would 

723
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:04,600
note the Torah is for being free
and easy? 

724
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:09,400
Peter, eat a loser hard 
Taskmaster but there's one bit 

725
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,300
in the, the story where, Blood 
loss. 

726
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,300
So you gonna do you speak 
Chinese just a smattering. 

727
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,400
We going through Bandit country.
I speak fluent Blind Bandit. 

728
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,600
It's in the original script of 
Series 5 but it was cut out. 

729
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:27,900
All right? 
Molly. 

730
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:31,500
It must have been a producer 
decision, time or whatever. 

731
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,900
Did that little bit? 
And yeah, it's a good bit of 

732
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,700
comic dialogue. 
It makes its way into the Remake

733
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:41,100
quite right, too. 
Absolutely. 

734
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:42,400
Yeah. 
That that is a Good line. 

735
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,700
It was going to be recorded at 
olds court for the radio 

736
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:50,700
exhibition on Friday, the 24th 
of August, and I think it was 

737
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,100
going to be it was going to be 
recorded originally in the 

738
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,400
evening or late afternoon at 
least. 

739
00:46:56,100 --> 00:47:01,200
And then as I understand it 
Peter Sellers was committed to. 

740
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,600
He was he was shooting the 
smaller Show on Earth that week,

741
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,100
wonderful film. 
Yeah and just because of filming

742
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:13,600
commitments they brought forward
the time According to lunchtime 

743
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:18,200
on the Friday 24th of August. 
So this was recorded at 

744
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,700
lunchtime. 
So it makes you wonder what you 

745
00:47:19,707 --> 00:47:22,200
do it did. 
They had they had an early lunch

746
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:37,000
with his spikes. 
That's great about the makeup of

747
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,800
the audience that there's 
someone in the audience with the

748
00:47:39,400 --> 00:48:00,500
baby. 
Now after the recorded, this 

749
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:07,400
episode Spike did half an hour 
taking questions. 

750
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,500
I think on what they call the 
celebrity dais I'm from 3:00 

751
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:19,600
p.m. and one other thing as well
about this remade, show Spike, 

752
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:28,200
put in a plug for I'm walking 
back as a Christmas and I think 

753
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,700
as well, that this was the first
gun show to feature Moriarty 

754
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:36,800
doing the owl. 
Guess he brings enough. 

755
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,100
The first hour when the program 
is from grip, pipe thickens. 

756
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:44,100
It. 
Yes, he's always obviously Spike

757
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,300
experiment. 
You can see Moriarty and grip. 

758
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,200
Pipe thin a two identical in 
some ways. 

759
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,900
It's like different characters 
are French one on the English, 

760
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:56,800
upper class one, but they clash 
and doing the same thing, rather

761
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,400
than become a team. 
And you get the impression, he's

762
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,500
experimenting. 
How can I change this a little 

763
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:04,200
bit? 
And as you say outcomes, The Owl

764
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,500
and it just develops develops 
from there. 

765
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:11,900
Just thing the, I always say 
that my My now my favorite 

766
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,100
pairing, if you like is 
late-period gripped by the 

767
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,800
Moriarty, yes, do you want us 
both out of this suit? 

768
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,900
Yes, that is. 
That is one of my favorite lines

769
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,400
in all the green shows. 
You know what, I would love at 

770
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,200
some stage and be lucky to 
rewrite. 

771
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,200
Roger will much book and bring 
it up to date and so on. 

772
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,500
Hmm, there's a lot missing but 
I'd love to have a sort of list 

773
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:38,300
bit of some of the description 
of this of grid pipe like here, 

774
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:41,700
I could a man looking down from 
the top of Isosceles triangle 

775
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,700
upon foremost was the one he 
says in here. 

776
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:49,600
Oh, two-legged gray-headed man, 
going bald at the knees that 

777
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,900
sort of thing. 
And another thing is Moriarty 

778
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:56,300
intros, you know, that the way 
that gripped by this latest 

779
00:49:56,300 --> 00:50:00,100
series, that the favorite has to
be European barbed wire hurdling

780
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:05,500
Champion tragic accident, 
wonderful line. 

781
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,900
I'd love to have some of the 
regiment's of get mentioned, you

782
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:13,800
know, the Bomb by Iris. 
The filth muck usally ISM and 

783
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,000
blood, Mark Songs would be great
of a list of the songs of blood 

784
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,300
knocks sings in. 
It, wouldn't it? 

785
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:23,500
Yes, The Darjeeling walk to 
wherever it is and also more. 

786
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,900
I'd love to know the backstory 
about blood Market. 

787
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:32,700
Many or would I am not sure if I
would have one of many, many 

788
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:38,000
would be wouldn't we never were.
Okay, what's your take on Minion

789
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,500
Henry in terms of their 
relationship? 

790
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,800
What is that? 
Is it either in sister? 

791
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Is it? 
What is it? 

792
00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:50,000
Oh, dear. 
As an older man is what I am. 

793
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,200
I can quite imagine just being 
companions is to control his 

794
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,000
cheap with his one. 
So two old people having to 

795
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,300
share a house and even a bid is 
entirely chased and they're just

796
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,200
companions to each other. 
That's my personal view on it. 

797
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

798
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,300
I don't like to think of 
anything. 

799
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:10,900
See the other than that Out to 
pasture. 

800
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,600
Well, you get the impression 
that although many might be up 

801
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:21,500
for it, Henry certainly. 
Yeah, that was strange that 

802
00:51:21,508 --> 00:51:26,600
those blood look songs in the 
dopest sprigs is that Harry 

803
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,600
seeking does very little singing
Disney in the gun show. 

804
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,600
This is our first series, he 
gets a spot but after that he's 

805
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,200
limited to there'll always be an
England and that bit in them 

806
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:39,900
toes. 
Well, Dartmoor where he sings 

807
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:44,600
riding the stagecoach, up with 
the Dartmoor prison on the back 

808
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,700
of it, going off the France and 
again, he It has a song and then

809
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,300
whatever side is it under to 
floorboards? 

810
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:55,600
He sings at Boots song, boots, 
boots. 

811
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,800
Boots, boots, tramping over 
Africa. 

812
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:06,000
Again again, it is a humorous. 
Register is done by Milligan and

813
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,600
sellers. 
Yeah, yeah. 

814
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:13,600
Yeah. 
And then we get to this bit 

815
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,900
where, yes, I've got this bomb 
and obviously the bomb will 

816
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:21,000
detonate when the middle Is 
played and the Chinese pianist 

817
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,300
doesn't actually. 
Play more than the first 11 

818
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:28,400
notes. 
Isn't it clever, though, how 

819
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,900
they must he must have known 
this tune to start off with is 

820
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:33,900
beautifully done. 
Isn't it? 

821
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,700
That the lead-up to just that a?
It's just absolutely perfect, 

822
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:39,500
isn't it? 
Yeah, we must have heard the 

823
00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:44,800
tune in mind, when you put it 
together, a lot thing, you can 

824
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,500
signal. 
It is, a clever, gets a clever 

825
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,400
idea, and a clever game. 
And obviously grip under 

826
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,200
Moriarty a furious because 
because he's not, The a but then

827
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,900
but then of course, Adolphus 
Briggs turns up again and this 

828
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:03,700
is a real nice payoff. 
Ah shit, Moriarty, he hasn't 

829
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:09,900
played the note. 
Oh he's missed it again. 

830
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Chinese gentleman don't flirt. 
Your dear fiendish penis can't 

831
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,800
play the piano so I'll sing you 
another medal. 

832
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,300
You could. 
I have an a plea 

833
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,000
damn clever. 
These Chinese 

834
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:54,600
That's a very good point, very 
good point. 

835
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,300
So yeah. 
So do we are equals no many blue

836
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:04,800
bottle Cuts in is as well as 
giving the the end credits happy

837
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,900
because he wasn't dead. 
Let me roll many shows where he 

838
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:12,400
was embedded as greenslade 
story. 

839
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Of course, brings to mind when 
he turns up at the end saying 

840
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,100
winds light and variable. 
Yes. 

841
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:18,900
He's only line of the whole 
thing. 

842
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,500
Yeah, he's something. 
I remember, that's, that's 

843
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:27,200
there's a, there's a handful of 
doing shows when Blue Bottle 

844
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,300
either doesn't appear or only 
has one line often at the end. 

845
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:35,600
I remember when I first used to 
listen to these, when I was a 

846
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,600
teenager, Major. 
Because at the time, I was so 

847
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,800
fond of bluebottle I would be 
thinking drums along the mersey 

848
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,900
Springs to mind cuz I think Blue
balls, not actually in that show

849
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:50,000
at all and at the end from off 
almost like from off, mic 

850
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,700
bluebottle, shouts. 
Hey, why wasn't I in this week? 

851
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:59,800
It's the same with China Story, 
the first one because I can't 

852
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,800
think the next program is now in
the series but Echoes terms at 

853
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,200
the beginning and makes a crack 
about not being in last week's 

854
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,900
show. 
Yes there is around this time of

855
00:55:11,908 --> 00:55:15,100
Series 5. 
There is Certain degree of 

856
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,100
continuity. 
This isn't there? 

857
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,800
Because you have famously. 
You have the chains gag from the

858
00:55:24,808 --> 00:55:26,200
white box of great. 
Bad field. 

859
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:27,900
Yes. 
That then turns up at the 

860
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:29,300
beginning of the future. 
Yes. 

861
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,200
Yes. 
Carries On To The Next program. 

862
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,000
It does. 
Yeah. 

863
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,300
Which, by the way I have decided
now, officially that the white 

864
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:37,400
box a great Battlefield, is my 
favorite gun show? 

865
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:42,000
That's three that I always think
that your favorite is the first 

866
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,500
one you here, because Is it just
knocks you out as being so 

867
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:48,200
funny? 
The standard is so high. 

868
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,200
I could pick at least 10 
favorite gun shows, but I do 

869
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,800
have a big affection for Tales 
of old Dartmoor in was the first

870
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,800
I heard and introduce me 
properly to the world of the 

871
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,800
Google's. 
Well as I'm sure you know, 

872
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,300
because I've banged on about it 
before the first one I ever 

873
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:08,500
heard was the last smoking sea 
green which first? 

874
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:13,300
Well, no, I still think back on 
that. 

875
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,300
Extremely fun leaves the first 
one I heard and it was just so 

876
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:20,400
weird and in some ways I think 
you could have been a different 

877
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,400
show, would it have ripped it? 
Because I heard it by accident 

878
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,000
purely by accident had I heard 
maybe another show which was a 

879
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,000
bit less frenetic. 
You feel like maybe it wouldn't 

880
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,700
have lured me in quite so much. 
I don't know. 

881
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,100
But I've got a lot of affection 
for that show. 

882
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,800
Yeah it was that it was a last 
one. 

883
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,400
All right, as well as green side
says. 

884
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,300
The end of it. 
But yeah I saw article in the 

885
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:50,800
last edition of the Goon show 
preservation Society oh yes 

886
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,300
Duncan Gray wrote the article, 
that's right. 

887
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:57,500
Yeah very good very very good. 
And if you got anything else 

888
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:01,500
about China story about this, 
you know, the the original or 

889
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:03,800
the Remake anything in 
particular that you wanted to 

890
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,500
touch on the, we haven't 
discussed already. 

891
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,800
The only other thing is not 
quite related trying to story, 

892
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,000
but gunshot as a whole is 
signature tune. 

893
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,000
I mean, I love the signals to 
cocoon pod. 

894
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,300
Oh, he's great. 
Oh, thank you. 

895
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:23,200
Well, that's composed by Adam 
Leslie. 

896
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,800
Who was my first guest and he's 
been, he's been a guest a couple

897
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,500
times and he was the guy who 
kind of pushed me into doing 

898
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:34,700
this, really lovely. 
Yeah, so he came up with that. 

899
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:36,400
I didn't ask him. 
In fact, he came up with that 

900
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,000
and he also came up with the 
the, you know, the graphic, the 

901
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,200
green going partner logo. 
If you like So all the credit to

902
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,400
Adam but you know this there's 
never an introduction to be 

903
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,400
tuned to the Goon show. 
It just leaps straight in, 

904
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,300
doesn't it Hancock's half hour? 
Starts off with a brass 

905
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,800
instrument, whatever it is 
Timber. 

906
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,900
Whatever it is opposed by Molly 
stop by the way more than likely

907
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:02,400
aresome. 
Huh? 

908
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,000
And there's nothing at the start
and the ending it varies. 

909
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,300
You've got guns Gallop. 
Yeah Lucky Strike. 

910
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,600
Old comrades and dingdong the 
witch is It which I think that 

911
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,600
good go. 
Be honest. 

912
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:20,300
Maybe you'll calm raises the 
best of them. 

913
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:24,700
Fits the tone of the gun show. 
I was always fond of goons 

914
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:26,100
Gallop. 
Yeah. 

915
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:33,300
But again, it's very much of its
time and suppose Lucky Strikes a

916
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:34,800
bit looser. 
Yeah. 

917
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,300
And then yeah, they never seem 
to be able to decide on the 

918
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:43,600
after about series 8. 
They could never really decide 

919
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:49,900
on what the end theme tune 
should be, it would it would 

920
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:52,500
vary, wouldn't they like, it 
would be old comrades, March, it

921
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:57,000
would be Ding Dong. 
The Witch Is Dead, they never 

922
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,500
seem to nail that. 
Did they know is if they gave no

923
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:04,900
thought to it whatsoever, what 
could we have in our got this 

924
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:06,300
one here? 
I will play that one. 

925
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:14,500
Quite like to goon show theme. 
I think actually the first the 

926
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:18,200
first because there's a couple 
of as you know there's a couple 

927
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:23,000
of recordings exist of Series 2 
here shows. 

928
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,500
And I think those shows begin 
with a truncated version of goon

929
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,600
Gallup, don't they? 
I think there's the announcement

930
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,700
and then you get a little bit of
theme tune at the beginning. 

931
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,200
Which is, which is more in 
keeping with is because it's 

932
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,900
more of a variety show at that 
period, isn't it? 

933
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,200
Yeah, it was more variety show 
that it was sketchy, as well as 

934
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,100
catches. 
Yeah. 

935
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:51,800
And wasn't until Peter eaten. 
Became it would become less of 

936
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:58,600
sketches and more of a story. 
I wonder as well because really 

937
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,000
from Series 5 onwards, we have 
all the shows and there's 

938
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,100
there's quite a number of shows 
now from series for that exist 

939
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,800
Series 5. 
I think is when it really sort 

940
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,400
of kicked into gear as oh yeah 
that's definitely there is fine 

941
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,800
as well but like I say some of 
those series for I'd love to her

942
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,700
remakes of them. 
I mean the man who tried this 

943
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:22,900
Droid London's Monument up to 
her that expanded to the whole 

944
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:28,200
show instead of just 2/3 of it. 
Mmm and the end and Garcia 

945
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,000
experiments of hands. 
Either Burger. 

946
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,400
Yeah, another one, there's lots.
I mean, goon again. 

947
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Did Spanish Armada and Change 
the ending for the better in my 

948
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,600
opinion. 
You know, I'm certain that Spike

949
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:46,200
could have done this, who got 
these shows and just Prove to 

950
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,900
me. 
Now, lengthen, a little bit and 

951
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:53,400
made them into and I think the 
Vintage goons series there's 

952
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,100
some crackers. 
Oh yeah. 

953
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,700
But I wonder whether they would 
have been even better had they 

954
01:00:57,700 --> 01:01:03,100
not been recorded at the same 
time as the series 8 episodes 

955
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:08,400
because there was just if they 
were given the luxury of just, 

956
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,800
you know for example instead of 
like having series 9, they know 

957
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,900
they did series 8 and then said 
okay we're going Do a whole 

958
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,500
series of remakes and I think 
they could have done it after 

959
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:22,400
Series 7 to some extent gift, 
spike a prank. 

960
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:29,900
Hmm, a whole year off is have 26
remakes, and then it will come 

961
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:32,100
back with fresh ideas for the 
next series of. 

962
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:36,500
I just one, I mean, I know Peter
Sellers was and Restless feet 

963
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:40,200
and wanted to become a Hollywood
star and so on. 

964
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:44,700
But I just wonder if it extended
the life of the Goon show and 

965
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:48,700
little bit further, sir, if they
made that decision there with 

966
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:50,800
it, let's have some remakes 
quite possibly. 

967
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:51,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

968
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:57,500
Although series 9 was so strong 
series 10 is quite variable, but

969
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:00,800
patchy, but series, 9 more or 
less most shows. 

970
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:06,600
In that series, a strong II 
think I agree. 

971
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,500
I always felt that she was nine.
Could have been the last series 

972
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,800
of almost finished on a 
wonderful note. 

973
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:18,100
If Harry cecum, hadn't been ill 
for the 50-pound killer area, 

974
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,800
because the end of that all 
singing will gather live looks 

975
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,100
as chickens. 
It's just I just fall about just

976
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:28,900
thinking about it right now. 
I'm still laughing thinking 

977
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:33,600
about it, but they Camry isn't 
right for it. 

978
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,800
He just hasn't got the Charisma 
that Harry seek him as God. 

979
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:39,900
And what's kind of Connor? 
Isn't it? 

980
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:44,800
50 pound Q DK. 
Murray is spun, isn't he? 

981
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,500
Hang on, I'll take your word for
it. 

982
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:51,500
I'm just, I'm just checking now.
Yes, dick Amory was. 

983
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:57,600
So seeking was off for the first
show of series 8 which was spawn

984
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,500
and Dick Henry covered for him 
and the It's series 50-pound. 

985
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:06,100
Cure seeking wasn't there and 
was Kenneth Connor. 

986
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:12,300
Yeah, again it never quite got 
it, it was just strange. 

987
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:13,900
Real. 
And Kenneth Connor was a good 

988
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:18,200
comedy actor and a receiving 
gonna replay himself. 

989
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:23,200
God is strange of the host. 
So much of the Goon show is 

990
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,500
built around, a man. 
Who's the worst actor of the 

991
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:27,100
three of them? 
Yeah. 

992
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:31,000
Have you ever seen Davey or 
sunstruck? 

993
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,200
Fuck Todai. 
I think Dave is good. 

994
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,800
I like Davy. 
It's interest is the last 

995
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:42,900
evening comedy ever that. 
But as a very downbeat film 

996
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:46,900
though isn't instead of going on
for fame stardom and love, he 

997
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:49,400
decides to go back to his old 
team to see things. 

998
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,800
They need them. 
Yeah. 

999
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:55,900
Now that yeah, there's some for 
annealing comedy, there's a lot.

1000
01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:57,400
There's a bit of a downer 
really? 

1001
01:03:57,700 --> 01:04:01,000
Yeah, you got better krebons in 
an uncredited from the late. 

1002
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,600
Recently late lamented burning 
driven scenario. 

1003
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,500
Yes, uncredited role in that, 
okay? 

1004
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:09,400
All right, we're Roger great, as
I say great to speak with you 

1005
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,000
and we will definitely catch up 
again next year. 

1006
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:15,100
That would be terrific. 
I do enjoy the toe. 

1007
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:19,200
I'd love to Journey up to 
Manchester and share a beer or 

1008
01:04:19,207 --> 01:04:21,400
something in there. 
That's where the new production 

1009
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,800
of the show, first, aired on 
January the 18th 1955, how do 

1010
01:04:25,808 --> 01:04:28,800
you see cam is now appearing in 
rocking the town at the London 

1011
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,700
Palladium, and Max geldray. 
And variety at the Empire 

1012
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:33,900
Theater, Glasgow.