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What would you say if I offered 
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the Chief? 
What? 

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I put up the money, You play the
game and we split 5050. 

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I think I'll go now if you don't
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What's wrong? 
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this evening very much. 
I shall always remember the 

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pleasure of your company. 
I didn't even mind this dressing

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up bit, but I do mind bloody 
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thing I really know well. 
Listen, Evelyn, I'm serious. 

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It's because you really know 
about Baccarus. 

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I'm not joking. 
He said you needed £100,000. 

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It's yours. 
It's fantastic. 

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Look here. 
I mean. 

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Oh, the sheaf had never agreed 
to play me. 

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He's read my book. 
He'd recognize my name. 

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No. 
No, not anymore. 

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Why? 
We have chosen a new name for 

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you, James Bond. 
Hello and welcome to Goompod. 

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My name is Tyler Adams, and in 
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this week's film, I absolutely 
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my guest, So thankfully we're 
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Is probably the best way of 
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Really. 
And that that voice you can hear

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is my guest. 
It is Martin Holmes. 

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Hello, Martin. 
Hello, how are you? 

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Not too bad. 
Not too bad, despite this film. 

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Shall we? 
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to lay our, as it were, cards on
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Quite. 
Early. 

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Well, I have, yes. 
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early. 
There are. 

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My my special glasses on so I 
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Oh. 
Yes, very good. 

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Martin Holmes. 
Famous for vision on sound, of 

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course. 
Well, not that famous, but yeah.

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Well, famous in my house, yeah. 
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That's all it needs to be 
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So for for the uninitiated, what
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Vision on Sound is a weekly 
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basically a podcast really. 
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broadcast on fab Radio in out of
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old and archived television, 
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anything that is prompted by the
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television. 
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Sundays at 7:00 on Fab Radio 
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I suppose I might as well say 
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group of fairly regular people, 
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people in occasionally, but it's
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that's loosely related on our 
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television and waffle on about 
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doing now for nearly four years.
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People see the people who like 
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arising even. 
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don't know that we don't do 
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But it's more it's more just 
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an hour to do that every week, 
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programs like the Corridor 
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very much focused on or not 
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Century. 
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grit my teeth and let them. 
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enjoy listening to it. 
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you were a couple of months ago 
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experiences of British 
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the other side of the world at 
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aren't all our shows mainly 
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get philosophical at this point.
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while, actually, but you're not 
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listenable to. 
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CDs of radio shows and what have
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go and look for a drama to 
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tittering in my house. 
None of that. 

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It's I just I I don't engage 
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comedy actors who did serious 
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week and we were talking about 
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Gideon's way, you know, So you 
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for the Army game, Bootsy and 
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roles. 
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his movies, if you see what I 
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Show. 
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through Sellers. 
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thinking about it just sitting 
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bit of a hiatus for about two or
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which. 
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There you go. 
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sellers for for weeks and weeks.
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Yes. 
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unfortunately we're not going to
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better films today, but that's 
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So we're talking about Casino 

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Royale, the 1967 version. 
You hesitate to call it a film. 

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Yes. 
Well, it's OK. 

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So, Martin, why this film? 
Why this film? 

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James Bond film came on ITVI 
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articles in the TV Times and all
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four years, the biggest James 
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I understood it. 
I obviously wasn't, but at that 

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time I just genuinely thought, 
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know, 25 years on. 
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weren't necessarily the greatest
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I hardly watch them now, to be 
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But back then I I, you know, I 
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I had a scrapbook, everything 
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of the TV Times, everything like
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that quite a lot of people who 
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I picked up Jeff Loves James 
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And you know, I was an expert by
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I'd read about all these things 
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Thunderball, all this kind of 
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And there was this tune on it, 
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Royale. 
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what's this? 
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nice tune. 
I quite like that, you know? 

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And then of course I picked up a
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they would talk about this film 
that they didn't really, it's 

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not really official. 
It's not really talked about. 

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It's it's like the illegitimate 
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I'm not even, you know, it it, 
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parallel universe to the James 
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the morning or whatever. 
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this. 
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and I would just sat there and 
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kind of flawed by it because one
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I I get that. 

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it, you know, some people said, 
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forward to that. 
I really want to. 

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I really like that film and some
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It's Marmite, you know, it's the
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It it it, it's so 1960s, it 
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It's almost like if you if you 
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it in a bottle, you know, shook 
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probably get the Casino Royale 
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Before, before we start talking 
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bolts. 
The nuts, particularly the nuts.

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Yeah, and. 
Cure bolts, yes. 

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Yes, let's let's just kick off 
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this huge, bloated confection of
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Indeed. 
Firstly, I want to share a maxim

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that I carry around with me. 
It's this. 

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An average to lousy film is 
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If Cribbins or Bluthor turns up,
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It's true, isn't it? 
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but we will return to it. 
So now let's look at the origins

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of this film. 
Ian Fleming published the first 

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James Bond novel, Casino Royale,
in 1953. 

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The following year, a live one 
hour television adaptation aired

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in the US starring Barry Nelson 
as Jimmy Bond, an American agent

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working for the Combined 
Intelligence Agency, and Peter 

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Laurie as La Shifra. 
Much of the action is confined 

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to the casino itself. 
A recording does exist and I 

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have seen it and it's pretty 
shonky. 

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A couple of years later, by the 
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Holness portrayed James Bond on 
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Moonraker. 
Never mind AP. 

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Can I have an MLQ please, Bob? 
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on to host blockbusters and play
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Stuart Mckoney's overactive 
imagination. 

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Anyway, in 1955, Fleming sold 
the film rights of Casino Royale

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to Gregory Ratoff, an actor 
turned producer, who asked the 

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screenwriter, Lorenzo Semple 
Junior, to knock up a workable 

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script. 
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getting the Batman TV series to 
air and Co wrote Papillon, which

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is one of my favorite films. 
Oh, and he would later go on to 

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write Never Say Never Again, 
which I only remember for having

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Rowan Atkinson in it. 
Both Ratoff and Semple didn't 

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care much for Bond and felt it 
would be better if the character

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were a woman, which I suppose is
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That said, I can't help thinking
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find its way to the screen it 
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in a bikini. 
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survives. 
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in 1960 before managing to 
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any studio. 
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Albert R Broccoli approached 
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purchase the casino royal rights
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Broccoli had been trying to get 
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the ground for a few years. 
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agent, Charles K Feldman. 
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against selling the rights to 
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himself. 
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sniffed something in the air. 
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potentially lucrative property 
together with director Howard 

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Hawks, Feldman tried to get a 
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choice of Bond being Cary Grant,
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around in development hell for a
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success that Feldman decided to 
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a deal with Broccoli for Casino 
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However, talks broke down and no
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Columbia pitches to bankroll a 
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screenplay written by Ben Hecht,
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Hitchcock's Notorious and 
Scarface. 

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Feldman had decided that there 
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trying to ape the Connery films,
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as a Bond spoof. 
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posters outside advertising the 
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Movie makers wanted to cash in 
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glamorous locations, plenty of 
violence, and casual misogyny. 

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Hex wrote several drafts of 
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largely faithful to the source 
novel and contain nothing 

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particularly comedic. 
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1964, shortly after completing 
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Well, it would be, wouldn't it? 
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that made its way into the 1967 
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MI 6 agents going under the name
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others, but the eventual 
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Mangovitz, John Law and Michael 
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Mangovitz had worked on the 
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had been so horrified by the 
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insisted his name be removed 
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What a putz. 
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Bentine on things like It's a 
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were Woody Allen, Peter Sellers,
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casting Roger Moore. 
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Sean Connery, who asked for 
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such a fee plus percentage 
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Terence Cooper, the rather 
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film as Coop, was earmarked for 
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Cooper was one of those actors 
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in endless ITV television drama 
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or the occasional colorless 
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Pussycat, of which more Later, 
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role of Bond. 
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thinking Bond 21 dimensional and
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kind of wonder that he wasn't 
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His ego was the size of France 
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Thelpin then pitched it to him 
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plays Bond that would give 
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into. 
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Sellers became distracted by the
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extent he wanted to do it 
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the film was a comedy. 
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October 1966, during lulls and 
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Sir James Bond, took cast and 
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Niven, incidentally, had been 
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play Bond in Doctor. 
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It was, as they say, a hot mess,
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as Niven's biographer put it, as
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Allen. 
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Orson Welles as Lashifra, Ursula
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Carr as Agent Mimi, and Joanna 
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They all did their best, I 
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Oh, and remember my old maxim. 
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film's fortunes, albeit briefly,
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Bluth will turn up. 
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attached to the project. 
John Houston, Ken Hughes, Robert

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Parrish, Joe McGrath, and Val 
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Richard Talmadge. 
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the others without consulting 
each other, and thus chaos 

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reigned. 
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happened, Sellers had tantrums. 
He refused to be in the same 

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room as Orson Welles. 
He threatened fellow actors like

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Jacqueline Bessette. 
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generally made a tit for himself
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He would disappear for days or 
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abandoned the project 
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As a result, the whole film had 
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new scenes being written and 
already shot footage and 

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outtakes cobbled together. 
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and writers were involved and so
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the mix. 
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casting Danny LaRue as Master 
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The finished film retained only 
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original novel, the baccarat 
scene, the bit where Bond is 

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tortured by Leshifra, and 
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recycled but bearing no 
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characters in the book. 
Casino Royale was released on 

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13th of April 1967, two months 
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It originally had a budget of 
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By the end, this has skyrocketed
to 28 million. 

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Time magazine called it Mini 
Cleopatra. 

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Still, it washed its face at the
box office, turning a decent 

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profit and ensuring a steady 
future income for the estate of 

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Peter Sellers, who demanded a 
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But the movie was monstered by 
critics who mostly regarded it 

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as baffling and ridiculous. 
The only high point, they all 

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agreed, was the Burt Bacharach 
music, particularly the theme 

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tune performed by Herb Alpert 
and the Tijuana Brass and The 

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Look of Love, performed by Dusty
Springfield. 

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Eventually, some 30 years later,
Casino Royale was remade 

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starring the then new Bond 
Daniel Craig, and it was pretty 

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much returned to the source 
material. 

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I watched it again recently, 
wincing at that scene, and while

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it was enjoyable, and while I'm 
not making any claims for the 67

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version to be reevaluated as 
high art or any such Tommy rot, 

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I couldn't help feeling the 2006
remake could have benefited from

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a cameo by Bernard Cribbins or 
John Bluthor. 

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You all know I'm right. 
So all that being said, let's 

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talk about Casino Royale. 
Now I always thought you only 

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lived twice, came out first, and
yet you only lived twice. 

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It's two months like the one 
with the volcano and it becomes 

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again this. 
I don't know if you ever seen 

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the photographs of the the 
cinema where it was the premier 

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was for you only lived twice, 
but it's just enormous. 

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It was the entire block has just
been decorated and it's just, 

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you know, it's a huge, huge film
written by Roald Dahl. 

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Strangely, but, but you get 
this. 

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And when you think about what we
think of of 60s James Bond, say 

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through the filter of Austin 
Powers. 

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Austin Powers takes a lot of its
cues from You Only Live Twice, 

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but it also takes a hell of a 
lot of cues from Casino Royale. 

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Yes. 
So it it's it's kind of weird. 

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It's actually strangely 
influential despite, you know, 

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not being the greatest film ever
made and a fortune was spent 

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making this. 
You actually watch this. 

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I mean I know you say you've 
you've sat down and watched it 

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and maybe you would never want 
to you you never watch it twice 

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as the as the frame goes. 
But it's you can see a fortune 

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has been spent making this and 
you kind of think if I had £28 

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million perhaps I might have 
done something else with it. 

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Yeah, I don't know what, but 
something to benefit mankind. 

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Well, yes. 
Casino Royale is too much for 

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one James Bond Join the Casino 
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Mr. Bond, I'm Tenant Mathis of 
the Special Police. 

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Peter Sellers is James Bond. 
These are my credentials. 

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They appear to be in order. 
Ursula Andres is James Bond. 

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David Niven is James Bond. 
Woody Allen is James Bond. 

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My doctor says I can't have 
bullet into my body at any time.

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What if I said I was pregnant? 
Joanna Pettis is James Bond. 

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Rather warm in here, don't you 
think? 

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Cool it, Charlie. 
Casino Royale is too much for 

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one James Bond. 
Orson Welles is the heaviest 

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heavy of smirch. 
Dalia Lavi is James Bond. 

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I'm the new secret weapon. 
James. 

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We've got us on the run. 
We've got. 

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And 9:00. 
We're fighting more alive. 

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Casino Royale is too much for 
one James Bond. 

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Next. 
Terence Cooper is James Bond. 

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Barbara Boucher is James Bond. 
Casino Royale is indestructibly 

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wild. 
Hello, Saylor. 

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Indescribably funny. 
Oh, you like that sort of thing?

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Join the Casino Royale Fun 
movement. 

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So I just to give you my 
background on this film, I don't

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really have a history with this 
film. 

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I've I've seen it. 
I've I've certainly seen it 

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before. 
I watched it for this. 

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I couldn't tell you how many 
times I've seen it and I 

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certainly, in fact I would 
probably say I've probably only 

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seen it the once all the way 
through prior to this and and 

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watched bits subsequently. 
I think it's the sort of film 

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that comes on in the afternoon 
and you catch the end of it and 

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go, what the hell was that? 
Yeah, and you sometimes pick it 

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up a halfway or 3/4 of the way 
through. 

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I don't think many people sit 
down with a view to just, oh, 

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that's on this afternoon or or 
they go, oh, that's on this 

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afternoon. 
Oh, it's not Daniel Craig, which

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is the more modern response to 
it, I think. 

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Yeah. 
Well, I don't even know if I had

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this on tape or what because I 
was obviously I was hoovering up

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everything Sellers related back 
in my teens. 

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And I think I must have, I think
I must have taped it off TV 

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sometime in the 90s. 
I guess I sort of had it in my 

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head. 
I think that Peter Sellers was 

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was James Bond or a sort of 
James, which he is a sort of 

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James Bond in the sense that 
he's not James Bond, but he's 

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he's playing a character called 
Evelyn Tremble who is then along

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with some other characters in 
this film going under the name 

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of of James Bond. 
So I didn't really, because 

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there's no real coherent plot 
really, is there? 

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It's very it's. 
It's very vague and it's very 

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well, yeah, yeah, it there is 
one, but it's very hard to find.

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It's really difficult to nail 
down. 

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And so I was re watching this 
last week. 

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We're not going to go through it
in a linear fashion, but you 

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know, when you get to that point
in films where whatever, you're 

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holding in your hand steady. 
But you know what I mean? 

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Whatever. 
If you've got a pen in your hand

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or a book in your hand or or 
even like an empty coffee cup, 

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and you're sitting and you're 
getting increasingly agitated or

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not worked up, but you, you, 
you, you're finding you're 

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you're becoming more and more 
depressed by what you're 

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watching. 
And then suddenly there's a 

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scene and you just think, oh, 
for God's sake, and you just 

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want to. 
You just want to toss whatever's

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in your hand across the room, 
you know? 

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Yeah, and and I had that my 
moment. 

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Watching this, I thought I was 
fling books in much the same 

446
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,880
way. 
Yeah, yeah. 

447
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,360
So try and have a guess which 
which bit of this film caused me

448
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,320
to to to have that reaction? 
Oh. 

449
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840
Crikey, there's so many I'm not 
quite sure. 

450
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,800
I I depending on how far you got
through it, I mean. 

451
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,960
Well, all of it. 
I've watched all of it. 

452
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:55,560
Come on. 
Yeah. 

453
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600
Yeah, I'm just sure what at what
point you. 

454
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,240
I would say it was about 2/3 of 
the way through maybe. 

455
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,600
Oh, right. 
OK, right. 

456
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,240
You go because I because there 
is, you know Sellers as Hitler, 

457
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,040
you know, that's a it's a 
slightly worrying moment. 

458
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,960
You know there is when it 
suddenly becomes an Indian music

459
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,320
movie. 
You know, it's a yeah, yeah. 

460
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760
I mean is it. 
No, actually, no. 

461
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,040
I can't imagine go. 
On let me tell right, it's the 

462
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,080
bit that I'm going to refer to 
as the Gerry Anderson moment. 

463
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,000
Oh, when it turns into Stingray.
Yeah. 

464
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,440
Yes, the bit with the. 
UFO and the weird floaty module 

465
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,480
thing. 
Suddenly it's Stingray. 

466
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Good Lord, it was that long, 
right? 

467
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,200
OK, yes, the last half hour of 
this film. 

468
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,720
I know I don't sort of jump to 
the end, but the last half hour 

469
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,640
of this film is just bonkers. 
It's actually after Sellers has 

470
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,600
gone. 
Yeah. 

471
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,640
It's this. 
I mean, this film was throat. 

472
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,480
Well, it's like thrown together,
you've got five or six, 

473
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,720
depending on your point of view.
Directors all doing different 

474
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,560
things more or less to the same 
ends and somebody at the end of 

475
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,600
it has to try and tie it all 
together. 

476
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,720
I wanted. 
To which was which was which was

477
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Val guest. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

478
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,240
Yeah. 
And and basically somebody had 

479
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,360
to try and turn this into 
something vaguely coherent. 

480
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:23,160
And the fact that it's actually,
it works sort of as a film at 

481
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,400
all is probably largely down to 
Val Guest. 

482
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,360
I wanted to there's a story I 
wanted to mention to you which 

483
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,880
is completely irrelevant to this
book. 

484
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,160
When I was at school we in in 
our English class we had to put 

485
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,920
a show together and various 3 
sections of the class had to do 

486
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,680
a show one a week. 
So so once one section did you 

487
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,840
know they wrote sketches and 
everything like that. 

488
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,560
And so we had the first week we 
went in and and one group of 

489
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,040
people did 7 or 8 sketches and 
it was like a comedy you know 

490
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280
show but not very funny. 
You know the second week another

491
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920
group of people had to do one, 
they did 7 or 8 sketches. 

492
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000
And my English teacher, because 
I ended up being in charge of 

493
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,280
the third one and the third one 
is that no, because I'm I am not

494
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,920
a manager. 
Never have been, never will be. 

495
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,400
But we in the course of our 3/4 
of an hour, I think he, he said 

496
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,840
you did 34 different and it was 
just a dozen lads with a stage 

497
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,640
being told they've got to do 
something with no prep 

498
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,640
whatsoever. 
Any old idea that they could 

499
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,960
think of was put before the 
audience. 

500
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,400
And for some reason, the last 
half hour of Casino Royal always

501
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,760
makes me think of that day 
because it was one of my biggest

502
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,960
school time humiliations. 
But it just makes me think any 

503
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
crap you can think of. 
God, let's have a seal. 

504
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720
Let's have a seal. 
Clapping Hooray. 

505
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,560
You know it's kind of what this 
Keystone cops. 

506
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Let's have them in. 
Let's do a bit of that. 

507
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000
Oh God, you know And 
Frankenstein, Franken, we need 

508
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,800
Frankenstein to come. 
Frankenstein. 

509
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,200
Monster. 
Sorry, Dave. 

510
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,520
Dave Prouse, of course, in his 
debut film Indeed. 

511
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,360
I just wrote. 
I just wrote on my pad in huge 

512
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,800
block letters, general arsing 
about. 

513
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,120
Yeah, it's basically any shit 
idea. 

514
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,800
Yeah. 
And and it genuinely looks as if

515
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,040
they were making it up as they 
went along. 

516
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,440
I know isn't how film works, but
it does feel like. 

517
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,880
That it briefly when the when 
you see the American cavalry 

518
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,040
kind of riding in it, it had it 
made me think momentarily of 

519
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Blazing Saddles. 
You know the end of Blazing 

520
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,280
Saddles. 
When it all, they all end up. 

521
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,640
Absolutely. 
And you get parachutists coming.

522
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,720
It's just absolutely crazy. 
It really is. 

523
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,400
And this is kind of like we've 
got to. 

524
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,440
It's because by this point 
Sellers has walked off the plot,

525
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,280
but he's also walked off the 
film and somebody and they've 

526
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,320
got no ending to the film. 
And I I believe the guy who 

527
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,240
directed most of the casino 
chaos was the 2nd unit director,

528
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,920
wasn't it? 
Richard Tallmadge, he basically 

529
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,680
just filmed a lot of stuff and 
this happened, but you almost 

530
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,200
get the impression, I can't 
remember which studio it was 

531
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,360
filmed in. 
But it it's like whoever was on 

532
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,800
on the site on that day, can you
come in and do a couple of 

533
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,040
minutes? 
It's, you know, anybody? 

534
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,320
George George Raft, George Raft.
Comes in as George Raft. 

535
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520
The the actor Jean Paul 
Belmondo. 

536
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Belmondo I mean, this cast is to
die for, and yet somehow they 

537
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,080
are less than the sum of the 
parts, shall we say. 

538
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,320
I'm not even saying it's a cure 
it's egg anymore. 

539
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,840
It's it's amazingly mad. 
And yet somehow, within all 

540
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,240
that, there is this iconic 
stuff. 

541
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,400
I mean, within this section you 
get the escape sequence, which 

542
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,400
is where I mean David Niven, 
David Niven. 

543
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,080
God bless him, David Niven is 
never less than brilliant as an 

544
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,840
actor. 
You know, he always, he's giving

545
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840
it his all. 
He plays it perfectly straight, 

546
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,560
You know, he knows he's in a 
Turkey and and they do this 

547
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,960
sequence where they go into 
various different pop art rooms 

548
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680
which each one is on screen for 
seconds. 

549
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,160
Each one must have taken an 
absolute, you know, days of 

550
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,640
people's lives to build and put 
together and it's and they're 

551
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,920
iconic again, 60s. 
You know, nonsense design, you 

552
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,600
know, or pop art design if you 
prefer. 

553
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,240
And yet somehow, somehow, in the
middle of all this, you get 

554
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,080
nonsense. 
Brilliantly fabulous. 

555
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,840
I mean this, this skits on the 
Ken Adams set, You know, you 

556
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,560
sort of expect the big windows 
with the fish and all this kind 

557
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,280
of thing. 
And it's totally batshit crazy, 

558
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,080
quite frankly. 
Well yeah, but OK so let's say 

559
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,800
because the film look let's 
just, I just want to mention the

560
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,520
beginning, the right at the 
beginning of the film, the pre 

561
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,080
credits sequence. 
Oh so so if if you thought if 

562
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,680
you didn't know otherwise in 
1967 and you thought this was 

563
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,480
part of the, this was an Aeon 
Productions Bond film, you know 

564
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,440
proper proper Bond film and you 
went to watch this in the 

565
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,560
cinema. 
It opens with Peter Sellers 

566
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,120
standing in an open air urinal. 
Lay beetles. 

567
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,440
Yes. 
Why? 

568
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:16,880
What? 
What? 

569
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:17,280
What? 
What? 

570
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,520
What's I mean, I know what lay 
beetles is. 

571
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Just graffiti, isn't it? 
It's just graffiti scrolled on 

572
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,520
the side. 
In this piece. 

573
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,760
Soir Yes, Peter Sellers and And 
there's a French policeman with 

574
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,040
a Scottish accent looking at his
credentials, right. 

575
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
So you immediately get the 
measure of the film, but what 

576
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:36,960
the hell would you have made of 
that? 

577
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,920
You think he could go? 
And then you've got the the 

578
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240
credit sequence which is which 
is great, and the great music 

579
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,960
and all the rest of it. 
But then it it goes straight 

580
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,520
into the the John Houston 
directed sequence, where John 

581
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:55,000
Houston himself is one of the is
is playing M with with heads of 

582
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,080
other international intelligence
agencies in a car driving to Sir

583
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,600
James Bond's Scottish home. 
And again, you might you might 

584
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,600
be forgiven for thinking, oh, 
OK, this this, this could be a 

585
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,680
proper Bond film, you know, But 
then. 

586
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,480
Have you seen Skyfall? 
I have seen Skyfall, yeah. 

587
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,120
Do you not feel that there's a 
slight influence of this film in

588
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Skyfall, but that whole Scottish
house where? 

589
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,880
Oh, maybe yes. 
I never thought it. 

590
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Just it just feels there are 
these little tendrils that come 

591
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,560
out from this film that sort of 
get referenced, I mean. 

592
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Yeah yeah, but but no but, but, 
but, but you don't have in in 

593
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Skyfall you don't have like a 
pack of lions or pride of lions 

594
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,920
sitting on the roof of the car 
and and the theme from Born Free

595
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,800
playing. 
No, although the the musical 

596
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,520
cues from other films would 
feature quite a lot in the Roger

597
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Moore films you see. 
So again, there are little 

598
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,120
influences that crept in when 
Roger Moore's films were getting

599
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,840
more. 
Some people say camp, but 

600
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,920
certainly the comedic elements 
were building up and it was the 

601
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,640
the team that were making them 
at that stage you started to 

602
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,520
get. 
I mean he does. 

603
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,480
Is it California girls? 
When he's skiing down a hill in 

604
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,840
in his last film, Which of You 
to a Kill? 

605
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,320
He there's a scene where he skis
down a a slope. 

606
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,840
And. 
And you get that little hint of 

607
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,760
of that tune, you know the the 
California girl. 

608
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,840
So they started doing that and 
it's kind of interesting to me 

609
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,040
that weirdly you get things like
the poison pen letter which they

610
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120
actually make a big in in the 
queue scene in the middle of 

611
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
this, which I know is again 
we're going all over the place 

612
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,199
with this, but but well that's 
seen as one of the better scenes

613
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,679
in the film. 
But weirdly it resembles the 

614
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,360
later cue scenes that they did 
with Roger Moore very much. 

615
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,840
It has the same almost set up. 
There's more jokes, more 

616
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,480
deliberate jokes in this, but 
generally the the way it's done 

617
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,719
is very much like those films 
later and again they make the 

618
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,720
the poison pen letter line, 
which is also nicked from Carry 

619
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,480
On Spying a few years earlier. 
Oh yeah, and I would argue if 

620
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,040
you're going to make it the 
James Bond spoof, actually Carry

621
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,600
On Spying generally works. 
Better yes than this. 

622
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Oh yeah. 
Morning cure Good. 

623
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,960
Morning, Claudius Newman. 
If I could bother you for the 

624
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,080
signature, Sir. 
Signature. 

625
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,760
Yes. 
I shouldn't use M Pen. 

626
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,760
So the moment that nib touches 
the paper, it releases a stream 

627
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,760
of poisonous gas into the 
writer's eye. 

628
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Heavens, what do I think of 
next? 

629
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,160
Get near that. 
I suppose it come in quite 

630
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,040
useful if you ever wanted to 
send anyone a poison pain 

631
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,640
letter. 
Yes, all our new men say that, I

632
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000
usually reply. 
I don't wish to know that kind 

633
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,840
of leave MI five. 
Yes, yes. 

634
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,520
We have a very highly developed 
sense of humor down here. 

635
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
It isn't the only thing that's 
highly developed down here. 

636
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,240
I've never been a huge James 
Bond fan. 

637
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,440
I've probably seen most of them 
over the years at some point or 

638
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,520
bits of most of them never 
really got into them. 

639
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,400
Particularly, I much prefer the 
grittier, you know, the the, the

640
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Lecarre style, yeah. 
Well, I mean, you actually think

641
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,240
about this, Peter Sellers is 
wearing Harry Palmer glasses. 

642
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,360
That's true. 
That's true. 

643
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:12,680
Yeah. 
Harry. 

644
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,280
Absolutely. 
Harry Palmer if Chris Farland 

645
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,640
funeral in Berlin. 
I love them. 

646
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,440
You know and and spy came in 
from the Cold and Deadly Affair 

647
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,360
and those those those are my spy
films. 

648
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,280
OK. 
Although Harry. 

649
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Palmer is Saltzman. 
That's true, that's true. 

650
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,000
But. 
But I do know. 

651
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,280
Yeah, I mean you you can't avoid
the fact that the Roger Moore 

652
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,240
Bond films got increasingly more
comedic I suppose as they went 

653
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,520
on. 
I seem to remember is there a 

654
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000
pre credit sequence in one of 
the Bond films? 

655
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,280
Is it The Spy Who Loved me? 
Where he he somehow from a from 

656
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,320
a helicopter or or a small plane
drops a character in a 

657
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,400
wheelchair into a. 
Oh, for your eyes only. 

658
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,800
Factory chimney or something 
ridiculous, yeah. 

659
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920
For your eyes only. 
Strange enough, an actor who is 

660
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600
in this film is in that film. 
So in fact, he's the man in the 

661
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,280
wheelchair. 
Oh, who's that? 

662
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,040
It's the guy, the bald guy, who 
is, oh God, I can't remember his

663
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,640
name, but he's also in Empire 
Strikes By. 

664
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:14,160
He's the famously bald actor. 
The the book, I'm sure there's 

665
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,560
more than one bald actor. 
Yes, it's Telly Savalas. 

666
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,520
No, it's oh, I can't remember. 
His name? 

667
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,240
OK, the Houston directed opening
sequence, if you like. 

668
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:34,120
In this film, John Houston plays
plays M in this really terrible 

669
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,800
rusty syrup that he's got on his
head and he wanted. 

670
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:44,240
Apparently he wanted he wants to
Robert Morley to play M And I 

671
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,800
mean, I'm no fan of Robert 
Morley, as listeners will know, 

672
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,400
but he'd have made a better M 
than than Buddy Houston that 

673
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,800
that accent made Groundskeeper 
Willie's accent sound like, I 

674
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,920
don't know, Alex Ferguson. 
Like John, Houston has made some

675
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:06,480
of the greatest films ever made.
Oh yes, And yet his section of 

676
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,480
this is not a high point. 
No. 

677
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,320
Oh look, don't get me wrong. 
The, the, the the Man who Would 

678
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,240
Be King is a yeah, brilliant 
film. 

679
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,880
Yeah, Treasure of the Sierra 
Madre and all that, but. 

680
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,560
This whole laboured sequence, I 
genuinely believe, is to feed 

681
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,640
that heirloom joke. 
Yes, that whole purpose of that 

682
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,880
first 20 minutes of the film is 
to feed that joke. 

683
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,920
And I think that's part of the 
problem. 

684
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,440
It's it's very, very laboured. 
I think Casino Royale thinks 

685
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,560
it's funnier than it is, and I 
think that's something that sort

686
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:47,160
of dams it throughout. 
It just doesn't quite manage to 

687
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,680
be as sharp or as funny as it 
believes it is. 

688
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,960
And sometimes the gags are just 
visible. 

689
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,680
But I think the other thing 
though, I think it's strange how

690
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,840
things can join. 
You know the join, the dots 

691
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,640
really connect, if you like. 
Sorry, that's the word I'm 

692
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,200
looking for. 
Thank you. 

693
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,440
It's strange how things connect 
in the sense that you've got 

694
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,360
Sellers and Niven from the Pink 
Panther and you've also got Bert

695
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,480
Kwok later on. 
You know, you've got the Richard

696
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,400
Williams animations, which are 
lovely at the beginning, the the

697
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,800
opening credits and everything 
like that. 

698
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,840
So you've got that sort of seam 
of pink Pantheros coming. 

699
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,800
Through and that's Graham stuff 
as well. 

700
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,960
Yeah. 
And you feel that there's a kind

701
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,480
of oh, well, if if they're in 
this, that must be good. 

702
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,560
And it's like they're 
automatically going to be good, 

703
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,960
you know, and and you get weird 
things like the. 

704
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,880
I don't know if you know much 
about Doctor Strangelove, of 

705
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,400
course, but Doctor Strangelove. 
But you know how they talk about

706
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,160
the custard pie fight that was 
decided not to be done. 

707
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,880
But there is a, well, this 
equivalent of a custard pie 

708
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,280
fight in here in the you get the
fire extinguisher sequence. 

709
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,160
And of course, like the chaos at
the end almost feels like, oh, 

710
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,200
well, you know, Kubrick was 
going to do it. 

711
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,280
Why don't we? 
And again you sort of wonder. 

712
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Although like I say was off the 
project at this point. 

713
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,120
You kind of wonder whether. 
Any of this comes from Sellers 

714
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,560
himself? 
Yeah. 

715
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:22,320
So Sellers does get is credited 
as having some input in the 

716
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,040
script. 
I don't know what to what extent

717
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,280
but he was because obviously as 
I said earlier this is produced 

718
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,360
by Charles K Feldman who also 
was behind What's New Pussycat 

719
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,280
the year before and and he that 
had been a hit. 

720
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,560
And there's a lot of echoes of 
what's new Pussycat in this film

721
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,880
because obviously we've got well
we've got sellers but you've 

722
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,800
also got Woody Allen who 
actually and I and Woody Allen 

723
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,760
to me he made, he's made a a a 
handful of good films. 

724
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,280
He's made a classic film in 
Annie Hall, which is one of my 

725
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,240
all time favourites, but I've 
I'm not. 

726
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,480
I've never been a particular 
Woody Allen fan apart from that,

727
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,240
apart from any, but in this he's
quite he's quite a good physical

728
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,960
comedian in this actually. 
Build that last half hour 

729
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,440
together quite well. 
It does. 

730
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,760
It does. 
I mean, he's only in a there's a

731
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040
scene earlier with the with the 
the against the wall, he's 

732
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,680
actually, which is quite funny. 
And that's the thing. 

733
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,200
There are moments which are 
quite funny every so often, but 

734
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,400
they are very few and far 
between. 

735
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,280
Well, they are, but but yeah, so
you got sellers, Woody Allen, 

736
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Ursula Andress was also in 
What's new Pussycat, you've got 

737
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Peter O'Toole. 
Doctor No, of course. 

738
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,280
Yes, Doctor, No, Peter O'Toole 
was in What's New Pussycat. 

739
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,320
He's he's briefly, very briefly.
You can see the Royal. 

740
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,800
Excuse me, are you Richard 
Burton? 

741
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,280
No, I'm Peter O'Toole. 
Then you're the finest man that 

742
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,560
ever breathed. 
Oh, God bless. 

743
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,120
Thank you. 
Burt Bacharach wrote this, the 

744
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,360
title song and and again you've 
got the Richard Williams title 

745
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,840
sequence. 
What's your Pussycat? 

746
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,120
The spirit as well of what's 
Your Pussycat is, is is sort of 

747
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,520
beating here as well. 
Was Sellers with Rutakland at 

748
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,640
the time? 
Yes. 

749
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,720
Right. 
Because she had. 

750
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,320
I know she did Golden Gun later.
But I just wondered whether 

751
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,680
whether he was sort of trying to
sort of get her onto the project

752
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,920
at that point. 
Again, who knows, Yeah. 

753
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,920
It wouldn't surprise me. 
So there's some, there's there's

754
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,720
some isolated good gags, good 
jokes. 

755
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,600
They are few and far between. 
One of the the the few that made

756
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,280
me actually laugh out loud. 
Not heartily, but. 

757
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,080
Maybe. 
You know, it was, it was a 

758
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,440
titter because at the beginning 
when we when we first meet Sir 

759
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,160
James Bond, IE David Niven, he's
got, he's got a bit of a 

760
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,760
stammer, hasn't he? 
Yes. 

761
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:03,640
And then when M gets blown up 
and Bond is called back to MI 6 

762
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,320
in London, the the stammer is 
gone and he says to Miss 

763
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,960
Moneypenny. 
Let me know if I stammer. 

764
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,240
I haven't got time for that now,
which I thought, that's a good 

765
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:14,480
gag. 
I like that. 

766
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
But. 
That's the thing you also get in

767
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,720
the My other favorite is the 
Berlin Wall gag, I just think. 

768
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,840
Oh, with cribbins. 
Vladic, Vladic, Chabal gets 

769
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,880
blown up and then they all come 
through the wall. 

770
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Oh, all these Where the? 
I just think that's quite sweet.

771
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,880
But I know, I I thought. 
I thought you were going to say 

772
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,360
the the the gag where Bernard 
Cribbins in London cabbie 

773
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,240
Bernard Cribbins drives an Art 
of Bond to Berlin. 

774
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,720
Yes, Well, yes. 
But again, there's a lot of 

775
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,080
connections coming back to my 
other wearing my other hat, as 

776
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,680
it were. 
There's a lot of connections 

777
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,400
with television of the time. 
It it actually looks a lot like 

778
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,600
a lot of 60s television of the 
time. 

779
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,720
So you've got there's a weird 
scene with the Scalextric set 

780
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,880
around some women in a in a kind
of secret lair kind of thing. 

781
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,880
Now that makes me think of the 
Prisoner. 

782
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,680
The secret lair looks just like 
The Prisoner. 

783
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,120
Does, doesn't it? 
Also they look like they're 

784
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:24,600
dressed from shadow in UFO, you 
know and you get there's a whole

785
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,400
sequence in there with the 
chasing of the milk lorry and 

786
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,320
the and the and the girl in the 
the Jaguar who's chasing and 

787
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,360
that just makes me think of the 
The Prisoner episode the girl 

788
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,120
who was death which I don't know
if you. 

789
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:39,360
Know. 
Yeah. 

790
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,560
I have seen it, yes. 
Yeah. 

791
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,760
And is that, is that the one 
with the, the pint glass with. 

792
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,600
Yes. 
We've just been poisoned. 

793
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:47,640
That's right. 
Yeah, that's. 

794
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Right. 
And it's just to to me that 

795
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,720
looks beautiful. 
There are moments in this look 

796
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,800
beautiful, that idea of sort of 
60s landscapes where, you know, 

797
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,880
with the wide shots and there 
aren't motorways yet. 

798
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,000
And before a lot of these 
villages, it looked, at times it

799
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,360
looks beautiful. 
This film, it actually hasn't. 

800
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Oh, particularly the the, the 
house in Berlin, which is a 

801
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,000
homage to sort of early German 
explosionism. 

802
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,480
Yeah, absolutely. 
The cabinet of Doctor Caligari 

803
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,840
or something. 
The the house that Anna Quelle 

804
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,680
and Ronnie Corbett seem to be 
living in. 

805
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,120
Yes, that's the sequence in the 
film that I most enjoy. 

806
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Just because it does have all 
that those links back to to 

807
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,120
Silence cinema, you know? 
And there's even a a John Steed 

808
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,040
gag with the bowler hat with 
John Bluthor. 

809
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,080
John Bluthor. 
There we go. 

810
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Well, yeah, but it's just it has
the ball of hat on with the gun 

811
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,800
in it and it goes off and it 
gives him a headache and it's 

812
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,120
bad again. 
I actually wonder with with him 

813
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,880
whether they forgot he'd been in
the other bit. 

814
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,080
No. 
Well, John Bluthall, this is a 

815
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,080
thing, right? 
And I've already said that, you 

816
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,840
know, a film is much better. 
Whenever John Bluthall turns up,

817
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,680
he was supposed to be in the 
film a lot more than he was 

818
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,080
because he because obviously the
director, Joe McGrath, who who 

819
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,880
had worked with Sellers quite a 
bit in the earlier days and went

820
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:12,240
on to work with them more. 
Joe McGrath came on board and 

821
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,720
he'd worked a lot. 
You know, I guess you could say 

822
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:18,680
John Bluther was sort of part of
his Rep company, if you like. 

823
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,960
And so. 
So McGrath had John Bluther 

824
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,800
playing multiple roles, 
apparently in this film, and 

825
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,160
Sellers being Sellers. 
Wanted to do. 

826
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,720
No I think he he was a little 
bit he maybe a little bit of 

827
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,520
jealousy crept in it because 
Bluthor's such an accomplished 

828
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,360
comedy actor our character actor
and and Sellers more or less 

829
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,880
fired Bluth from the from the 
film so so there were there were

830
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,960
other parts that Bluthor played 
which were cut or removed or not

831
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,520
even put in shall we say and. 
Considering how short they were 

832
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,480
of footage is surprising. 
Yeah. 

833
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,360
Well the same thing happened 
because I don't know about what 

834
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:06,280
seven years later maybe Sellers 
and Milligan recorded this LP 

835
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,960
about Watergate. 
Not very good. 

836
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,320
OK not very good. 
It was it was it was just pre 

837
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,600
return of the Pink Panther. 
So Sellers was doing it. 

838
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,800
He's. 
Isn't of Watergate. 

839
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,720
He's innocent, I know. 
That's it. 

840
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,720
That's it. 
That's it. 

841
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,040
And Blue Thought was in that was
on that LP. 

842
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,280
But again, Sellers removed a lot
of his contribution from the LP 

843
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,000
down to I guess professional 
jealousy. 

844
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,760
But of course there there is one
of the greatest moments in 

845
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,920
comedy cinema history between 
Bluth 1 Sellers, which is the 

846
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,560
minky scene from Return of the 
Pink Panther. 

847
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,240
And that you know, for that we 
can be thankful. 

848
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
So basically, as with many 
things, it depends what mood 

849
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,760
Peter Sellers is in that 
particular day. 

850
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,960
Yes, of all of them. 
It's kind of weird that he 

851
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,240
became the film star. 
Is it or is it not? 

852
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:58,880
Because I know they all had 
cinema appearance. 

853
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,640
I don't suppose the Milligan was
ever going to be leading man 

854
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,680
material, and neither was Harry.
Seeking. 

855
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,880
But no, it's just kind of weird 
that Sellers, I suppose the most

856
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,320
conventional looking went on to 
have this. 

857
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,560
But he was he was a film star. 
He was a massive film star in in

858
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,920
the 60s, wasn't he? 
It was never in the script for 

859
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,600
him to be a leading man. 
Oh sorry not a leading man but 

860
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,920
yes a leading man in in in films
but not a a matinee idol. 

861
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,720
But obviously he had these heart
attacks in 64 he he then slimmed

862
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,200
down he was taking all sorts of 
pills and diet pills and God 

863
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,320
knows what slim down slim down 
slim down. 

864
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,880
Had a lot of work done here and 
there I think as well and it's 

865
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,560
it's quite difficult to say, but
he really looks felt in this 

866
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,760
film. 
But he's doing the he's doing 

867
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,000
the leading man, matinee idol 
thing, isn't he? 

868
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,280
But again, he's playing that, I 
suspect. 

869
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,560
He more or less plays it 
straight. 

870
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,880
He does. 
He takes it very seriously in 

871
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,320
the in the sequence just after 
he's introduced. 

872
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,120
I mean the the weird thing about
this is he's introduced at 44 

873
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,720
minutes into the film, apart 
from that tiny fragment at the 

874
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,760
beginning, which is there 
basically to say, oh, this is a 

875
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
bit of service film, just in 
case, because you're not going 

876
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,360
to see him now for about 3/4 of 
an hour. 

877
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,960
Well, that's what they used to 
do with Colombo occasionally, 

878
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,000
you know, because obviously, 
famously, Colombo would never 

879
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,520
turn up at the beginning of 
Colombo. 

880
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,360
He'd turn up 2025 minutes in 
after the murder had been 

881
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,880
committed, you know, But there's
the odd, there's the odd episode

882
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,480
of Colombo where for for for 
whatever reason, the murder 

883
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,800
takes longer. 
And so in those instances, 

884
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,600
panicky producers of Colombo 
would insert a little shot of 

885
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,960
Colombo right at the beginning 
of the episode, taking his dog 

886
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,160
for a walk or something like 
that, which is totally unrelated

887
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,080
to the subsequent story, but 
it's just to just to just to 

888
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,960
keep the audience on board, 
basically. 

889
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,000
Find them what they're watching.
Absolutely so. 

890
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,560
So you have that Peter in the 
piswar at the beginning of the 

891
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,840
film just to just to keep people
in the audience, keep keep them 

892
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,960
on the seats. 
And we and we say that Sellers 

893
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,320
plays it pretty straight there 
are there's a time. 

894
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,600
There's a couple of moments 
where he the, the, the, the 

895
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,400
comedy actor shows its head, if 
you like, the moment when he's 

896
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,880
in the shower and it with his 
particularly hairy back and and 

897
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,080
who was it that turns the shower
on? 

898
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,840
Is it is it Vespa Linda, is it 
Oceler? 

899
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:22,720
And yes. 
It's a salon dress. 

900
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,000
Yeah, and we have. 
Yes, he. 

901
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,600
Squeals. 
Yes, but I've given this game a 

902
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,760
lot of thought and when I go 
into that casino tonight, I'm 

903
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,200
going to sit down oppositely 
looking straight in the eye and 

904
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,240
say. 
Again, I was thinking about 

905
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:42,760
this. 
Basically, if you ignore the 

906
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,920
opening fragment it he turns up 
at 44 minutes and he's gone by 

907
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,200
an hour and a half. 
He's in that middle 3/4 an hour,

908
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,160
but he's not even in all of that
because for 17 minutes they go 

909
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,240
off and follow Mata Bond. 
In. 

910
00:50:55,240 --> 00:51:01,040
India and and then the Berlin 
sequence and and so really 

911
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,920
there's 215 minute segments. 
It's it's about the length of a 

912
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,640
Goon Show episode, more or less,
of Sellers in the entire film. 

913
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,040
And what is the bit that you've 
touched on where Evelyn Tremble 

914
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,640
the character adopts, maybe, I 
don't know, five or six 

915
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,680
different voices throughout the 
film, particularly when he's 

916
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,720
doing that dressing up box 
routine for Ursula Andrews where

917
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:28,560
he dresses as a military 
officer. 

918
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,240
The the obligatory camp man, 
hello sailor, Hitler, Napoleon. 

919
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:39,480
To lose the trek as he would do 
in Revenge of the Ping Pong and 

920
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,640
that and that was, I mean that 
scenes to me that's, you know, 

921
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,400
neither here nor there. 
It was unnecessary. 

922
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,240
Doesn't add anything to the 
film. 

923
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:51,760
Not many things add add to the 
film. 

924
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,800
But but that was that that scene
was the only bit of the film 

925
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,960
that Spike Milligan liked 
apparently. 

926
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,040
And he phoned Sellers after he'd
seen the film, and he asked him 

927
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,320
why the rest of the film wasn't 
like that bit. 

928
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,520
So we don't know what's Spike 
wanted just. 

929
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Two or two hours of Peter 
Sellers trying on different. 

930
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Like Peter Sellers in an episode
of Copycats, Just doing 

931
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,840
different. 
Mr. Ben, the movie. 

932
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:22,840
You never know, it might have 
worked. 

933
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,800
Yeah, I know. 
I think this the nicest. 

934
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,080
Well, no, I no maybe the not the
nicest scene, but the cleverest 

935
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,840
scene is possibly the the the 
spy gadgets one, because it's 

936
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,200
definitely putting in the the 
knife into the main series and 

937
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,800
it's played quite straight. 
But I think the nicest scene 

938
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,880
with Sellers for me is that 
scene where he goes into the 

939
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,840
office of the casino and he 
looks, he looks through the 

940
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,640
window and he, I can't remember 
what does he say? 

941
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,200
It's not like Basingstoke, but 
what was, what was the name of 

942
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,840
the the place he normally plays 
cards. 

943
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,520
And it was just it was the 
innocence on his face. 

944
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,880
It it was that was to me was so 
beautifully played. 

945
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,560
It was just when he just looks 
in wonder at the actual casino. 

946
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:16,360
And he's. 
I just think that was a a moment

947
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,720
in the film that just sort of 
stuck out for me as just a 

948
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:25,040
beautiful little moment of 
proper sellers acting, if you 

949
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,520
see what I mean. 
And of course he ruins it by 

950
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,200
doing that strange Indian voice 
in the, in the, you know, when 

951
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,280
he does the Indian and Chinese 
voices when he's talking to and 

952
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,720
you just think, oh God, here we 
go again, you know when you. 

953
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,360
I mean I watch a lot of old 
television from that era and 

954
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,400
occasionally you just have to 
say, yeah, sorry, this, this is 

955
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,920
in it. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

956
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,720
We're talking about things 
sticking out on that office 

957
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,280
sequence. 
What about that Tiger's tongue? 

958
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,560
That stuffed Tiger's tongue? 
The hell was all that about? 

959
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,280
Yeah, somebody probably thought 
it was funny. 

960
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,240
Yeah. 
And I think that's the problem 

961
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,040
with a lot of Casino Royale. 
A lot of the time you just get 

962
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,960
the impression that somebody on 
the day thought that would be 

963
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
funny. 
I think to a certain extent that

964
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,920
happens in the later Bond films 
as well. 

965
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,240
With Roger Moore, it's 
everybody's having so much fun 

966
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,320
that someone says, someone 
suggests a joke and they Oh 

967
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,560
yeah, Or when they're editing 
even maybe, I don't know. 

968
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,560
But it just sometimes you think 
somebody should have said 

969
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:29,240
really, do you think you know 
and you know? 

970
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,000
Yeah, OK. 
I mean the the just back to 

971
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,840
you're absolutely right about 
him doing the the Indian and the

972
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,400
Chinese accents to to to quote 
proverbs the characters being 

973
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,360
quite pass AG at at Leshifers 
tricks as well isn't he? 

974
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,240
So he's just and obviously this 
is the Chief replayed by Orson 

975
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,480
Welles and obviously the the 
majority of the sequence, both 

976
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,720
stars were filmed. 
Separately, they do manage A2 

977
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,240
shot. 
That's the thing that gets me. 

978
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,960
I can never decide whether it's 
a fake two shot and it's whether

979
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,640
it's been, you know, done with 
inserts. 

980
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,120
But there is a two. 
I always thought there was no 

981
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,040
two shot at all, so I was quite.
Surprised. 

982
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,320
No. 
I think they did get. 

983
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,480
I might be wrong. 
People might correct me on this.

984
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,360
I think there there's there is a
tiny amount of footage that did 

985
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,160
capture both of them on screen 
together until Sellers saw his 

986
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,920
backside and decided he didn't 
want to be in the same room as 

987
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Orson Welles. 
And. 

988
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,720
And the rumor is that Sellers 
felt slighted when Princess 

989
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:32,040
Margaret came on set and ran 
straight up to to speak to Orson

990
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,960
Welles and pretty much snubbed 
him. 

991
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Which let me look Sellers and 
and Margaret knew each other 

992
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,600
very well, so they say. 
So admit there may be something 

993
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,640
in that. 
By any chance, this is an aside,

994
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:54,520
but have you actually watched 
the new Beatles documentary, The

995
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,160
One That Was That Peter? 
What's not Peter? 

996
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,280
What's his name? 
Lord of the Rings Champ. 

997
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,400
Yeah, Peter Jackson. 
You mean get back, Peter? 

998
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,160
Jackson, get back. 
Have you have you seen that? 

999
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,960
Oh, absolutely. 
You've seen the two minutes the 

1000
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,560
sellers is in it. 
Oh, it's a good. 

1001
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,680
It's a good. 
It's a good. 

1002
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,440
There's a good eight hour 
program for you. 

1003
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:14,520
Oh. 
Dear That's just makes makes my 

1004
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,640
socks roll up and down my legs 
with cringy embarrassment. 

1005
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,480
I just wondered whether you'd 
seen it because you just kind of

1006
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,280
think, is that what sellers is 
that on that day? 

1007
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,800
Because it's like I'm I know The
Beatles, you know? 

1008
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1009
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,120
He just he looks so awkward and 
uncomfortable. 

1010
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,880
These people are slightly more 
famous than me. 

1011
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,480
I just wondered if that was part
of it. 

1012
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,200
You know, Orson Welles is 
slightly more famous. 

1013
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,800
No, undoubtedly. 
I'm I'm sure there was a number 

1014
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,280
of factors at play because I 
think Sellers was originally 

1015
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,120
before Orson Welles arrived on 
set. 

1016
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,040
Sellers was looking forward to 
it because he, I think he was a 

1017
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,680
a fan of a lot of Orson Welles 
work and and then you know Orson

1018
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,880
Welles turns up and is this 
force of nature of course. 

1019
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,360
And he's he's, he's, he's 
performing all these magic 

1020
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,560
tricks and he's got all these 
people sort of enthralled to 

1021
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:08,960
him. 
And Sellers is probably 

1022
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,280
thinking, hey, hang on, yeah, 
this is my gig and and that was 

1023
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,840
the beginning of the end really.
And he's allowed to do all these

1024
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,520
magic tricks as part of the 
script, As part of the plot. 

1025
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,640
Yeah, it's like they're 
indulging him because he's 

1026
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,600
awesome Wells. 
Yes, and that would have pissed 

1027
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,320
sellers off as well, of course. 
Now let's get the show off the 

1028
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:39,560
ground. 
Keep your hand in place, Madam, 

1029
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:45,680
and continue to ascend. 
Don't take your eyes from her. 

1030
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,040
Not one of you. 
Just by your perfect 

1031
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,480
concentration, the young lady 
remains floating in thin air. 

1032
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,040
Excuse me, Madam. 
Sorry to keep you hanging 

1033
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:02,880
around. 
OK, just a few sort of little 

1034
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,280
uncredited appearances in this 
film which you want to touch on.

1035
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Now before I forget, OK Ian 
Hendry's in this film. 

1036
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,400
Is he? 
Yeah. 

1037
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,560
It was. 
But you wouldn't. 

1038
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,160
You don't actually. 
Well, you do see him, but you 

1039
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,560
don't see him. 
Right. 

1040
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Apparently more footage with him
was cut from the film, but you 

1041
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,600
know that bit where we we see 
Vesper Lind in her? 

1042
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,880
I guess it's her kitchen in her 
apartment. 

1043
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,760
Oh, is he the? 
Body. 

1044
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,000
He's the body under the sheet 
that goes down the sheet, Yeah. 

1045
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Well, that explains why he left 
The Avengers then. 

1046
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,760
Yeah. 
Wow. 

1047
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:45,880
And that's a claim to fame, 
isn't it? 

1048
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,920
So because because famously, Ian
Henry was resentful of Michael 

1049
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Caine all, all his life, wasn't 
he? 

1050
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,960
In terms of. 
His career, Well, his career, 

1051
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,160
yeah. 
I think that's always the way 

1052
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,640
though, when somebody that 
that's your contemporary, they 

1053
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,960
going off and have this career 
and you go off and have that 

1054
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,400
career and you and you feel we 
started in the same place. 

1055
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,800
Why isn't it me? 
I feel, I feel that that must 

1056
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,160
great with a lot of careers 
really. 

1057
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,720
You know, you hear, you hear 
about in cinema generally, you 

1058
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,440
hear about people's feuds, you 
know, the feuds that they had 

1059
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,400
for donkey's years. 
And you kind of think a lot of 

1060
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,800
it comes down to these 
professional jealousies, really.

1061
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,360
Yeah, but you can imagine Henry 
thinking, OK, I'm going to, I'm 

1062
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,520
going to make it in the films. 
Going to be a big star. 

1063
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,040
I'm going to be bigger than 
Kane. 

1064
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,920
And then and then he ends up, he
ends up a body under his sheet 

1065
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:43,360
in Casino Royale. 
Oh. 

1066
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,720
Dear You see Colin Gordon as 
well, briefly playing the casino

1067
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,960
director. 
So Sellers were reunited with 

1068
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,480
Colin Gordon. 
Because Colin Gordon of course, 

1069
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,720
is someone else from the 
original Pink Panther film. 

1070
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,880
He was. 
He was Tucker, who was Clueso's 

1071
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,200
assistant, I suppose, in the 
Pink Panther and. 

1072
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,840
Famously #2 twice. 
Of course, again, it's just. 

1073
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:13,440
I what I love about that era 
actually this film but many of 

1074
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,240
the British films of that era 
but also the British television 

1075
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,240
of that era is these regular 
actors who you just see turning 

1076
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,640
up. 
I it's part of the joy of that 

1077
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,240
watching television for that era
is sort of joining those dots 

1078
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,960
and trying to work out who's 
going to be in it this week and 

1079
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,720
who was in that and oh he's got 
a big part in this but he was in

1080
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,000
that. 
I I love all that. 

1081
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,400
It's part of the joy of that 
era. 

1082
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,000
It feels like, it feels like the
60s was kind of there was this 

1083
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,040
big sort of theatrical club that
they all belonged to really, and

1084
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,560
everybody knew everybody. 
I'm sure it was nothing like 

1085
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,320
that whatsoever but it just it 
feels like they all knew each 

1086
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,720
other and and oh, I've got a 
couple of days on my film and if

1087
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,440
you you do a bit on my film I'll
do a bit on your film And it 

1088
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,920
just just feels beautifully 
connected like that in a way 

1089
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,560
that sometimes modern television
doesn't you know, it it and 

1090
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,600
modern cinema sort of doesn't 
nowadays. 

1091
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,680
They they seem to build it 
around an actor. 

1092
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,480
But I just like those 
connections and I'm sure, I mean

1093
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,040
obviously people still have 
careers like that, but for some 

1094
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:18,600
reason it fuels more intimate, 
probably because the British 

1095
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,440
film industry was still quite 
active then, whereas now it is 

1096
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,720
just telly really, you know? 
Yeah, well, people like that are

1097
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,960
never going to lead a film like 
Jeffrey Baildon. 

1098
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,840
They can probably. 
They can probably make half a 

1099
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,080
dozen films a year and it turned
up in the same number of 

1100
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,360
television shows, if not more. 
It's when you think about people

1101
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,280
like Sir James and how many 
films they turn on with doing 

1102
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,800
serious doing comedy, you know, 
obviously does the carry on 

1103
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,400
films later. 
But, you know, he's in something

1104
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,680
like quite a mass, you know, the
quite a mass two film I think 

1105
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,360
he's in and it's just and and so
you see him playing a villain in

1106
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,240
in Helldrivers, you know, sort 
of playing one of the one of the

1107
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,600
drivers in hill drivers. 
Yeah. 

1108
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:02,560
Yeah. 
Oh, I love Helldrivers. 

1109
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,760
I think great Alfie Alfie bass 
as well, strangely. 

1110
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,120
And and and prisoner connection,
of course. 

1111
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:13,280
Mcguinn. 
And and Sean, however briefly. 

1112
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,760
And Pink Panther. 
Or at least the the, the, the 

1113
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,360
the Clouseau Films. 
Herbert Long. 

1114
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,200
Yeah. 
You see, it's just it is. 

1115
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,720
And for me, that's part of the 
joy of watching. 

1116
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,240
I I think that was what I think 
about. 

1117
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,880
I mean, this film would have 
come on an afternoon and I would

1118
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,720
have probably watched it then. 
I just suspect that's when I 

1119
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,200
first saw it, actually when I 
think about it now. 

1120
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,600
But it's just that thing of you 
would sit down. 

1121
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,480
And I mean, I love hell drivers 
because I saw it one wet 

1122
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,360
afternoon in the summer holiday 
and it's just all these people 

1123
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,200
popping up, these William 
Hartnell's in there. 

1124
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,120
It's David McCallum, yes. 
Dave McCallum, of course. 

1125
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,800
Yes, you know, and it it just 
all connects. 

1126
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,880
I mean, Stanley Baker, 
obviously, but you know, and 

1127
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,240
then Stanley Baker goes off and 
made Zulu and there's Michael 

1128
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,160
Caine, all these dots to be 
joined. 

1129
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,040
I just think it's a. 
Fabulous, fabulous time. 

1130
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:05,200
And somehow maybe films like 
Casino Royale sort of brought 

1131
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,320
down, totally destroyed the 
British film industry by their 

1132
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,480
that sort of indulgence. 
Because I've been after after 

1133
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,720
this the British film industry 
starts moving into the sort of 

1134
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,920
films you're going to talk about
next week the spin offs from the

1135
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,960
TV shows. 
And I I feel that the because 

1136
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,320
we've had Cleopatra earlier in 
the 60s as well and it's just it

1137
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,200
starts to feel that it's it's 
losing its way. 

1138
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,680
It becomes more of a dependent 
on American money. 

1139
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,320
I mean it's obviously great 
films were made in the 70s in 

1140
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,840
Britain, you know Superman, Star
Wars all that kind of thing 

1141
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,080
Alien. 
But they sort of don't feel 

1142
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:48,440
quite as British somehow. 
And somehow, again, I know there

1143
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,520
were other films after this, but
this feels like possibly every 

1144
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,640
time, an American producer said.
So you want to make a British 

1145
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:57,920
film? 
And they'd say, yeah, but Casino

1146
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,960
Royale? 
Really. 

1147
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,120
Very good point. 
I would like to play baccarat. 

1148
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,080
I use the Evelyn Tremble Method.
Oh, you read Tremble. 

1149
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,600
I thought he'd only published a 
few paperback conditions. 

1150
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,400
Well, I have an autographed 
first edition, but dog eared 

1151
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:16,480
Now. 
Mind you, I've been through it a

1152
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,440
few times, but it nevertheless 
has a certain uninformed 

1153
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:26,040
quality. 
Aren't you a? 

1154
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,960
Little out of your depths, Mr. 
Vaughan. 

1155
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,360
In the last 20 minutes I have 
ruined 2 Greeks and the 

1156
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,560
Maharajah. 
You know, Mr. Vaughan, we aren't

1157
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,680
playing for marbles. 
The night is young, the Rose 

1158
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,520
Garden is already littered with 
my victims. 

1159
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:49,360
After the The Card Game, which 
which is central to the story of

1160
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,400
Casino Royale, even if you know 
most of it now seems to 

1161
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,720
basically be based around this 
mother's help and and what was 

1162
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,240
it? 
The the thing for needy young 

1163
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,080
girl Helpful to needy young 
girl. 

1164
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,360
There seems to be a thread that 
runs through the film as well. 

1165
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,800
But basically you get the 
torture sequence, you get the 

1166
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,760
dream sequence where Ursula 
undressed, basically machine 

1167
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,720
guns, everybody that Scots 
Guards and. 

1168
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,360
Clearly Peter O'Toole. 
Including Peter O'Toole. 

1169
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,240
And of course that's where we 
get that weird help with 

1170
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,400
Sellers. 
And that's pretty much the end 

1171
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,000
of the film. 
We do get that strange formula 

1172
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,640
three he, he, he, or whatever it
is seen which. 

1173
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,880
Which was? 
Which was dropped in. 

1174
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,760
It was an outtake or something 
that was dropped in because they

1175
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,760
needed some linking. 
Yeah, bit. 

1176
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,200
Yeah, to get from point A to 
point B in the plot. 

1177
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,000
So yeah. 
And that again, that's where you

1178
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,040
think, Yep, this is falling 
apart. 

1179
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,680
And from that, from that point 
after the the dreams. 

1180
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,880
I mean the dream sequence is 
incredibly nicely done. 

1181
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,760
It's it's like forget a proper 
bit of 60s pop up, you know, 

1182
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,160
with the little bits of frames 
coming into the shots. 

1183
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,320
The way it's composed on screen 
is delightful. 

1184
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,040
There's some beautiful art 
direction in there, but then we 

1185
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,480
just move on to that last half 
hour which we talked about 

1186
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,960
earlier, which is chaos on 
screen with a hint of carry on 

1187
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,640
spying and Valentine dial. 
Of course. 

1188
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,520
And Valentine dial who obviously
we don't see. 

1189
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,920
We hear who is is some Doctor 
Noah. 

1190
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,320
Doctor Noah, God's sake. 
Because I think Doctor Noah is 

1191
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,920
also in Carry on spying, but I'm
not sure about them. 

1192
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,880
It's. 
I know it's not Doctor. 

1193
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,440
Yes. 
Well, Doctor Noah is is Woody 

1194
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,360
Allen's character, isn't he? 
Although Woody Allen is Jimmy 

1195
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,560
Bond, who is the nephew of Sir 
James Bond, Sir James. 

1196
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,000
God, that's confusing. 
But we also get a weirdly I 

1197
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,960
mean, if you're talking about, I
like connections. 

1198
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,480
So, you know, you've got the 
silhouette chair looks just like

1199
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,120
Battlestar Galactica 10 years 
later. 

1200
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,240
Really. 
Maybe the same chair, You know 

1201
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,640
you get the the Walker mock. 
If we can't run a mock, we'll 

1202
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,240
walk a mock line which is quite.
It's a very. 

1203
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,200
You get a germ warfare, which 
feels weirdly slightly 

1204
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,600
foretells. 
If you like. 

1205
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,160
The germ warfare plot of this is
a little bit like what happens 

1206
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,760
in the George Lazenby James Bond
film a couple of years later. 

1207
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,760
The same same kind of plot idea,
you know, and I field Also, the 

1208
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,160
UFO landing in Trafalgar Square 
makes me think of The 

1209
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,600
Hitchhiker's Guide to the 
Galaxy, the last book. 

1210
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,960
So there's all sorts of things 
that you start to think, well, 

1211
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,240
maybe Douglas Adams saw this 
film and and subconsciously sort

1212
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,240
of thought, oh, it's an image, 
you know, there's a lot of 

1213
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,560
really interesting imagery, if 
you like, in the entire film 

1214
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:48,640
that has fed into other things. 
But overall, overall like 4 we 

1215
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,720
should have 400 tiny little time
pills running through this 

1216
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,360
entire. 
Every time I have a different 

1217
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,080
thought. 
In the middle of the sentence. 

1218
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,280
You'll love that wedding when 
you come to edit this, but every

1219
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,080
time I have a different thought 
in the middle of a sentence, 

1220
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,560
there'd be 39. 
Yes. 38 Because if I mean this 

1221
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,200
is how my brain works, actually,
maybe. 

1222
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:11,000
Maybe Casino Royale is basically
the the cinematic equivalent of 

1223
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,760
how I think you know it. 
Maybe it's it's had more 

1224
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,040
influence on me than I realized,
but it's just it is batshit 

1225
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,399
crazy. 
And maybe so am IA. 

1226
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,920
World free of poverty and 
pestilence and war. 

1227
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,720
A world where all men are 
created equal. 

1228
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,479
We're a man, no matter how 
short, Can score with a top 

1229
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,960
broad where each man, regardless
of racecree colour, gets free 

1230
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,560
dental work and a chance a 
subscription buying of all the 

1231
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,200
good things in life. 
But, Noah, you are for all this.

1232
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,160
No. 
No, I'm. 

1233
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,479
I'm against all this. 
Oh, I love politics. 

1234
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,439
To your future. 
I'll drink to that. 

1235
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,640
My very special champagne with 
your very special pill in it. 

1236
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,399
What are you talking about? 
It looks like an aspirin. 

1237
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:03,600
It tastes like an aspirin, but 
it isn't an aspirin and you just

1238
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:11,080
swallowed it. 
You're lying. 398 more of those 

1239
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,000
little pills to go off. 
Have a real bomb of an evening 

1240
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,479
Alka Seltzer. 
Oh, by the way, you said so. 

1241
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,600
The the bald man whose name 
you've forgotten, who was in the

1242
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:29,520
wheelchair that got dropped down
into a factory chimney from For 

1243
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,760
Your Eyes only, of course, have.
You found him. 

1244
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,279
No I haven't. 
But but I found someone else. 

1245
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,960
John Wells played Dennis 
Thatcher in For Your Eyes Only 

1246
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,319
and John Wells turns up in this 
in the best thing in the film, 

1247
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,600
which is the MI5 Training School
or MI6 Training School? 

1248
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,800
I'm not sure is it MI 6 or MI 5?
Am I sex? 

1249
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,800
Well, I I think. 
I think it varies. 

1250
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:57,320
But it's John Wells giving off 
very strong vibes of the, you 

1251
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,320
know, the rude Taylors from The 
Fast Show. 

1252
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,240
Oh, yes, yes. 
Suits you, Sir. 

1253
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,320
It's funny, actually. 
One of the things I did write 

1254
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,080
down was it feels in some ways 
like a sketch film, if you see 

1255
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,560
what I mean. 
It's it's a series of sketches. 

1256
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,760
It's not a portmanteau film by 
any means, although obviously 

1257
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,240
the four or five or six 
directors does sort of might 

1258
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,040
make you feel like it's a bit of
a portmanteau film. 

1259
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:26,920
But actually it's it's a lot 
more of a a lot of sketches 

1260
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:31,400
thrown together and you know 
it's kind of like Alexandra 

1261
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,680
Bastido turns up for no very 
good reason. 

1262
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:38,560
So you but you get that scene 
with the the Scotsman doing the 

1263
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,320
the the games or the the 
throwing the ball thing. 

1264
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,120
Oh. 
God with them, Yeah. 

1265
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,040
With David Niven right at the 
beginning. 

1266
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,520
And it's it's, it's laboured, 
it's slow. 

1267
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,760
It's not particularly funny, you
know, But it feels like if it 

1268
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,320
was a fast show sketch, you'd 
sort of that's that. 

1269
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,760
And then you move on. 
And I feel that in many ways 

1270
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,000
that's what the film does feel 
like now. 

1271
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,320
It feels watching it you feel I 
will you could actually you know

1272
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,920
the chapters on the DVD if you 
if you actually bothered to buy 

1273
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:10,880
the DVD. 
Yeah. 

1274
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,680
If if you had the you kind of 
watch that sketch and then you 

1275
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,280
watch this sketch and and it 
doesn't there are attempts and 

1276
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,000
again this is I'll guess at his 
very best trying very hard to 

1277
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,400
bring everything together. 
John Hollis, By the way. 

1278
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,240
Sorry. 
At the middle of a sentence 

1279
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,840
again. 
Have I? 

1280
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,680
John Hollis was the actor I was 
thinking of. 

1281
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,360
Sorry, who's also in this? 
But there we. 

1282
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,760
Go OK, OK, well, you're saying 
you're saying about the the 

1283
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,240
sketchy nature of a lot of these
scenes. 

1284
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,000
You mentioned that the bit with 
with David Niven and the and the

1285
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,520
the the large concrete 
cannonballs, aren't they 

1286
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:50,360
basically that the the there's 
this ridiculous scene. 

1287
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:56,200
I could see something like that 
in in some shape or form turning

1288
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,680
up in Michael Benton's It's a 
square World, you know? 

1289
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,200
Again. 
I mean, I didn't want to be, you

1290
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,080
know, I I didn't want to make 
this connection. 

1291
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:11,560
But do you feel that some ways 
it does sort of feel like there 

1292
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,840
is somebody who's a fan of the 
goons working on the script. 

1293
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,040
It sort of feels slightly mad 
enough, if you see what I mean 

1294
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,520
to the workings of Milligan's 
mind could have come up with 

1295
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,360
something. 
That went this, well, crazy Mitt

1296
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,240
Sellers has got some involvement
somewhere. 

1297
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:38,360
So probably Sellers, because 
Sellers was very influenced by 

1298
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,880
Milligan, obviously, but in the 
worst way. 

1299
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,840
I think a lot of the time, the 
indulgent, the more indulgent 

1300
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,480
side of Milligan and Joe McGrath
obviously was, you know, he 

1301
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:51,960
worked on a show called Fred 
back in the day. 

1302
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,600
So Joe McGrath was was involved.
But there's, there's no quality 

1303
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,120
control. 
No. 

1304
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:58,800
Is there? 
God, no. 

1305
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,520
There's nobody there with a 
clipboard saying right, we, you 

1306
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,640
know, we're getting rid of that 
bit. 

1307
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,880
We're taking out that bit. 
No, we're not having that line. 

1308
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:06,840
Just whatever. 
Let's just throw it all 

1309
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,560
together. 
Well, I suppose when you're 

1310
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,640
spending 28 million of somebody 
else's money, it's very 

1311
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,680
difficult to say we need to lose
all that, Yes. 

1312
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,880
And I mean basically someone, 
you know, poor old Val guest if 

1313
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,800
you like was bought to in to 
say, right, make some sense of 

1314
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,720
this. 
And the fact that he managed to 

1315
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,200
make as much sense of it as he 
did is quite fascinating. 

1316
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,040
Like I say, there are little 
bits of plot that drop in. 

1317
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,400
It's like, you know, the fact is
that someone in the early bit 

1318
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,120
mentions Berlin and then there's
another mention of Berlin and 

1319
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,840
then they go off to India for 10
minutes. 

1320
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,280
But yeah, but Oh yes, we will 
eventually go to Berlin because 

1321
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,040
it's in the plot sort of. 
There is a, you know, a couple 

1322
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,800
of the James Bond guidebooks 
that do attempt to make a sort 

1323
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:55,000
of coherent plot out of this. 
If you actually go on the, the, 

1324
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,320
the Wikipedia page to sort of 
just read the plot of this, 

1325
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:05,320
somebody somewhere has tried. 
But actually I when you actually

1326
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:10,320
say when you when you mentioned 
the 67 Casino Royale films, 

1327
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,040
people roll their eyes, like I 
say, genuinely there are people 

1328
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,440
who love it. 
They absolutely adore it. 

1329
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:19,040
They find it it. 
It's kind of this this notion of

1330
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,520
the 60s that that people have. 
We our vision of the 60s is 

1331
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,920
sometimes guided by very small 
moments in the 60s. 

1332
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,000
It's The Beatles, it's Carnaby 
St. it's it's a film like Casino

1333
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,680
Royale. 
Sometimes people think all films

1334
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:42,600
of the 60s looked like this, and
I suspect that its reputation, I

1335
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,560
mean, the fact that it it did 
make, like you said in your 

1336
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,040
intro, it actually it didn't 
lose money. 

1337
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,040
A lot of people must have gone 
and seen it and enjoyed it and I

1338
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,600
don't know. 
Yeah, but was that, was that not

1339
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,040
first week or weekend takings in
terms of people thinking it was 

1340
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,520
a proper Canon James Bond film? 
I suppose they take. 

1341
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,160
They take the dollars where they
can. 

1342
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,280
Yeah, yeah. 
But I mean looking back now you 

1343
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,240
just think I I say I've watched 
it twice in the last two weeks 

1344
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,880
for this. 
And so that's good. 

1345
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,440
I was, yes. 
And but it's a long time since 

1346
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:20,040
I'd previously watched it. 
I think it'd been on it had been

1347
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:25,720
on TVA long time ago. 
It's it's a it's a difficult 

1348
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,520
film to recommend to anybody 
it's it. 

1349
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,360
I mean it's kind of one of those
you need to see it to believe it

1350
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,920
kind of films and it's a 
difficult film to like and it's 

1351
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:42,200
a difficult film to say this is 
brilliant, but certainly as an 

1352
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,120
example of 60s pop up something 
or even just this sheer 

1353
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:52,440
indulgence and chaos. 
People again getting back to my 

1354
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:56,760
other way, my other hat. 
People talk about the last 

1355
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,680
episode of The Prisoner as being
a bit mad and chaotic but this 

1356
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,960
feels like the cinematic 
equivalent really. 

1357
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,200
It's almost like we got to a 
point where nobody really knew 

1358
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,200
how to finish these things. 
It's just, you know, I mean the 

1359
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,640
cowboy isn't that. 
Oh God, that the. 

1360
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:19,920
No, no, it it's, I mean it's a 
film I've watched more than 

1361
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,840
twice. 
So it it you know and there are 

1362
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,520
there are some films I can say. 
I definitely haven't done that 

1363
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,560
so I must go back to it 
occasionally and some of the 

1364
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,680
imagery has stuck with me. 
But but overall, it's a hard 

1365
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,280
film to love. 
Well, I was watching it last 

1366
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:41,840
Friday, Friday afternoon, and my
finger was hovering over the 

1367
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,800
remote all the time, terrified 
of my children walking in and 

1368
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,240
catching me, watching this, 
this. 

1369
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,320
Assume. 
The fulfillment, this 

1370
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,640
abomination, it's not. 
No, it's all I'm just watching. 

1371
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,160
I'm just watching some porn. 
It's all right. 

1372
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:56,840
No, I'm not watching. 
No, no, no. 

1373
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,240
I'm not watching that. 
Because they know my kids, who 

1374
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,080
both are, you know, one's 16, 
one's 18, so you know they but 

1375
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:04,880
they know that I'm into stuff 
like this. 

1376
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,320
So they they know that the old 
man's living in the past I 

1377
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,760
suppose shall we say. 
But I I just, I don't know how I

1378
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,120
would have explained to my son. 
You know why there's that 

1379
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,320
There's that silly slapstick 
fight with the fire 

1380
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:24,640
extinguisher. 
It's interesting because Anna 

1381
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,920
Quayle and Ronnie Corbett in 
Berlin and Anna Quayle to me has

1382
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,200
the has the stand out scene in 
Hard Day's Night the the the 

1383
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:35,800
little bit where she's talking 
to John Lennon. 

1384
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,920
Yes. 
So I always love her for that 

1385
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,600
but she she's brilliant in this 
and of course Ronnie Corbett's 

1386
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,240
in this and and you think people
now just think of Ronnie Corbett

1387
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,400
as a star of the 70s and the 80s
really don't they? 

1388
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,520
Two ronnies. 
Sorry. 

1389
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,800
Always wearing you know a 
Pringle jumper and all the rest 

1390
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,400
of it. 
But you know, he was obviously 

1391
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,040
he was, he was big in the in the
in the 60s and his career was 

1392
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,840
developing. 
You know his his star was in the

1393
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:07,280
ascendancy, and the same time 
that he was presumably filming 

1394
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:13,320
Casino Royale, he was starring 
in his first sitcom, which was, 

1395
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,600
which was called No, That's Me 
Over Here. 

1396
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,560
Is it slightly later than the 
Frost report as? 

1397
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,040
Well, yes, it was slightly 
later, yeah. 

1398
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:25,840
It was written by Barry Crier, 
Graham Chapman and Eric Idle. 

1399
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,320
And then after that he would go 
on to it'd be in a few other 

1400
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,000
sitcoms and he was also in. 
He was one of the regulars on 

1401
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,520
Frost on Sunday couple years 
later. 

1402
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,280
So you know, his his career was 
growing, but it is weird to see 

1403
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,240
him in in this film. 
Lashif is trying to raise money 

1404
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,320
by selling his unique art 
collection. 

1405
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,400
Why does he need money? 
He's a compulsive gambler, 

1406
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,200
that's why. 
Owned he is using organization 

1407
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:59,200
funds for his gambling. 
You mean smush Smush. 

1408
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,120
If he does not pay off his 
debts, he will be liquidated. 

1409
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:07,520
Liquidated. 
Who? 

1410
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,520
Buy. 
Buy them. 

1411
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,880
You mean? 
You're so like your mother. 

1412
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,640
You're driving me mad. 
Well, you haven't got far to go.

1413
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,960
Come to me. 
Come to me, my little master. 

1414
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:19,680
Come to me. 
Come. 

1415
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,400
That time you were back in your 
box. 

1416
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,400
In it. 
You must forgive me. 

1417
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,280
I lose control of myself. 
I'm a mad fool. 

1418
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,560
Mad. 
You want an argument? 

1419
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,040
Remember, forget everything I 
tell you. 

1420
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,600
My lips are sealed lips. 
Don't say that. 

1421
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,120
Run along, son. 
I mean, I like the German 

1422
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,480
expressionist scene. 
That's the scene I look forward 

1423
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:43,400
to when I'm sitting through this
film. 

1424
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,880
I always think, ah, yes, but the
Berlin bit, you'll like that. 

1425
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,360
Yeah. 
And if you do like your Doctor 

1426
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,760
Caligari, you know, it's, it's a
beautiful nod to that. 

1427
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,040
I know it. 
That section was only directed. 

1428
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,640
That was the only section that. 
What's his name? 

1429
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:00,920
Where's he gone? 
Where's his name gone? 

1430
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,400
The Ken Hughes It's the Only 
section. 

1431
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:04,680
Yes. 
Who? 

1432
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,560
Did. 
But it's it's a it's a beautiful

1433
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,560
thing, really. 
I mean, it has a terrible the 

1434
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,200
terrible. 
That's the only time I've gone 

1435
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,000
around with a John line, which 
is possibly the most awful one 

1436
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:19,200
in the film. 
The bad, the bad. 

1437
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,200
Toilet gag if you like, but you 
know, as you say, lifted by 

1438
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,320
cribbins and. 
Oh, yes. 

1439
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:32,080
And that that modern girl matter
bond is is is holding her own in

1440
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,520
that although. 
She's all right. 

1441
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:34,920
What's her name? 
Joanna Pettit. 

1442
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,960
She's all right in this. 
I thought, God, is it only two 

1443
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,720
hours. 
Yeah. 

1444
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,520
Considering a lot of the films 
at that time were 90 minutes and

1445
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,600
didn't you know they didn't 
outstay the welcome but but a 2 

1446
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,400
hour movie in the 60s, you know,
it's OK. 

1447
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,840
It's not water world length, you
know, but it's not it's not The 

1448
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,240
Lord of the Rings, you know it's
it's it's two hours, which is 

1449
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,640
standard running time for a 
film. 

1450
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,880
But it does seem at times very 
slow and I think it is that that

1451
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,200
problem is that the the jokes 
take a while to pay off and 

1452
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,640
they're very languidly and very 
slowly delivered and they're not

1453
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,080
really worth it. 
Like I say, the hair loom really

1454
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,640
isn't worth. 
It's incredibly baggy, isn't it?

1455
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:23,200
Yeah, I just want to mention 
Angela Schooler, who's got a 

1456
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,360
small role in This, is 
Buttercup. 

1457
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,560
She's in the bathtub, testing 
the temperature of the water, 

1458
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,960
just like she did for her daddy.
Gorgeous. 

1459
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:38,440
I was trying to skim over the 
the slightly worrying 16 to 19 

1460
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:40,000
year olds. 
Yeah. 

1461
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,800
Daughters or whatever it was. 
And that one in the bath 

1462
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:47,880
testing, Yeah, that is that is 
almost so 60. 

1463
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,680
Sexist. 
It's frighteningly bad. 

1464
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,280
And yeah. 
But Angela Sculler and and 

1465
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:56,080
singled her out because we we 
covered Doctor in trouble a 

1466
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,920
couple of weeks ago and of 
course she's a central character

1467
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,360
in that later went on to marry 
Leslie Phillips and she was also

1468
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:09,040
in On Her Majesty's Water. 
Yes, I'm sure she was and she 

1469
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,360
was later in On Her Majesty's 
Secret Service as well. 

1470
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,960
It got Derek Nimmo, the lovable 
and one-dimensional Derek Nemo. 

1471
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,320
Oh, the the music. 
We've we've really talked. 

1472
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,200
I mean the music, the the, the 
theme tune is wonderful, 

1473
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,160
although the theme tune. 
Is well, you have to save the 

1474
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,640
You do have to save the best of 
all us the the IT. 

1475
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,200
It is a high point for people. 
Yeah, but it's not. 

1476
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,720
It's not a James Bond theme, is 
it? 

1477
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,080
The the the Cedar Royal theme is
not a Bond theme, is it? 

1478
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,120
It doesn't sound like it's not. 
Got that Bond sound to it? 

1479
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,200
No. 
No. 

1480
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,920
Well, of course at that stage it
would have all been John Barry, 

1481
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,360
wouldn't it? 
And yes, true. 

1482
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,880
And and big horns, Mr. Horn. 
Big horns. 

1483
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,520
As it were. 
But nevertheless. 

1484
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,360
So it doesn't sound like the 
other Bond films of the time, 

1485
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,200
but it is actually. 
It's a very enjoyable 

1486
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,280
soundtrack. 
I mean, I actually like the the 

1487
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,760
lyric version at the end of the 
film. 

1488
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,720
I do like it. 
That's very good. 

1489
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,800
That it's a, it's a it's 
actually sort of says more about

1490
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:08,160
the James Bond thing in some 
ways you know, than than a lot 

1491
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:09,680
of the actual film does, you 
know, does it? 

1492
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,880
Said James. 
One is terribly hot. 

1493
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,880
It gets stuck in your head. 
That one, I must admit, if you. 

1494
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,720
But the The look of love is 
beautiful song. 

1495
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,280
Love that song. 
Dusty Springfield. 

1496
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:31,400
There's a There's a strangely 
peculiar thing of late 60s Bond 

1497
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,960
films, even if they're not 
official, having an absolutely 

1498
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:40,960
timeless love song in them. 
Because Louis Armstrong's all 

1499
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,800
the time in the world is the 
closing music on Her Majesty's, 

1500
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:51,680
and I actually feel that there 
are hints of Casino Royale in On

1501
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,120
Her Majesty's Secret Service as 
well. 

1502
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,800
It's almost like, you know, 
maybe it's the same crew, I 

1503
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,280
don't know. 
But you do feel connections and 

1504
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,720
it's even like the the whole 
scene with this kilt where 

1505
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,480
someone writes on his leg in On 
Her Majesty's is very much like 

1506
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:07,280
the kilt scenes in this. 
You know it. 

1507
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:12,240
I feel connections somehow. 
There's the there's because 

1508
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,680
there's a pan under the table 
where someone's rubbing James's 

1509
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,480
leg with the kilt and things 
like that. 

1510
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,040
There are weird connections with
the other films in here, which 

1511
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,400
which considering you know they 
were dismissing it and 

1512
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,560
everything, like I think they 
all must have seen it. 

1513
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,600
And I suspect a lot of the crew 
probably thought the jokes were 

1514
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,280
quite funny. 
Yeah, well, that's Cruise for 

1515
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:35,920
you. 
It's the 60s, man. 

1516
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:42,520
What were they smoking? 
Hey, so Martin, have you got any

1517
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,440
any parting words? 
To share, don't really. 

1518
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:49,360
I, I I You didn't ask me why I 
picked it. 

1519
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,560
I suppose it's possibly because 
it was the Sellers film I was 

1520
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,200
possibly most familiar with and 
then I realized how unfamiliar I

1521
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,280
was with it. 
But I think it's an experience. 

1522
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:05,040
It's a really hard film to love 
and but it is, as I said right 

1523
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,320
at the top. 
It's it feels like the 60s in in

1524
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:15,480
in bottled form, it feels like 
concentrated 1960s, and if your 

1525
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:19,720
idea of the 1960s comes from 
things like the Austin Powers 

1526
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:24,320
films, you can see where they 
got it from you. 

1527
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,840
You want to know what the 60s, 
sort of in its most excessive 

1528
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,520
form looked like. 
Casino Royale's probably a good 

1529
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,880
place to start looking. 
And I would agree. 

1530
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:39,360
A good double bill would be 
Casino Royale and what's that 

1531
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,960
film? 
Modesty Blaze which I think was 

1532
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,560
the year before. 
Yes. 

1533
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:49,760
But there's again the 60 that 
was so full of of spies and spy 

1534
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,840
spoofs and everything like that.
And I can say it just it's it's 

1535
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,480
riding on a wave of that and 
these these things were 

1536
01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:00,240
incredibly popular. 
And again, it's all the fault of

1537
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:05,520
that their Scotsman. 
No. 

1538
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,680
Well, Martin, it's been, it's 
been real. 

1539
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,320
It's. 
Been a James Bond film? 

1540
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,280
Thank you so much mate and we 
will talk again. 

1541
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:15,800
Always a pleasure. 
You take care. 

1542
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:25,440
He's got a redhead in his arm. 
He's a lover. 

1543
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:37,080
When you are in trouble, have to
feel, oh, they've got us on the 

1544
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:45,520
run with guns and 9:00. 
We're fighting for our life. 

1545
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:53,640
Heavenly feel bound as hell. 
He's going to save the world at 

1546
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,120
Casino Royale.