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I was listening to the reason. 
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interested me as well, that same
non audience approach. 

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This wasn't that wasn't a very 
good one. 

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I wasn't. 
It was the transportation of 

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Cleopatra needle from Egypt. 
Wasn't it? 

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two-story? 
Only idiots would have done 

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that, transported Cleopatra's 
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embankment now. 
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I'd say I was talking about 8 

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Just trying to check. 

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Hello and welcome to Goonpod. 90
odd minutes of desultory 

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grunting and occasionally 
somebody gets to the point. 

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My name is Tyler Adams and this 
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although it is somebody who I 
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in the flesh. 
In fact, we've had several 

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pints. 
It's Phil Shoebridge. 

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Hello, Phil. 
Hello there, Tyler. 

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Thank you for inviting me on. 
Very interesting in this because

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you've had lots of people from 
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writers, musicians, producers or
performers, and I'm just some 

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guy. 
Yeah. 

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And, and and you actually 
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It was about a year ago, I 
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ago. 
I think it was. 

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I think it was. 
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responded to your request for 
What are your top ten game 

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shows? 
Oh yeah. 

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And then later on I was coming 
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frontsters House of all. 
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Manchester. 
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Manchester area, I said if I'm 
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to meet up for a pint or 
whatever? 

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And that's what happened. 
So yeah, that was a that was a 

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that was a really good trip to 
Manchester. 

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It was a really Good Friday 
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It was it was a lovely sunny 
day, OK. 

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And I said to you then, you 
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onto the show, what would you 
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And, and we're talking about a 
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show that doesn't really get 
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is called the reason why. 
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But before we do so, Phil, 
what's your history with the 

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Goon Show? 
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Michael Benton's Potty Time as 
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don't remember individual 
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the little flicks of sand that 
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around a model landscape. 
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in things I saw on television. 
And I had a number of his books 

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say it's silly verse for kids, 
which I still have somewhere 

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behind me. 
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mentioned again show to some 
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done the odd blue pot, blue 
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kind of didn't mean that much to
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Someone gave him that's him, not
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The Goon show scripts book one 
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now on my bookshelf. 
I don't know if you've ever 

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actually read it because I've 
that's credibly become mine. 

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So I'd probably read goon shows 
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from maybe Adrian. 
Just I'll chat about him in a 

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second. 
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Yeah. 
So Oh no, only, only, only 

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positively. 
I think it possibly my mother 

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realised writing a list of what 
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thought, yeah, a lot of this is 
radio comedy. 

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And that's still a way that I, I
think for things. 

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So it's so things like the news 
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had Dirk Mags on and he was, he 
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gateway drug to Round the Horn, 
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She might have introduced me to.
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Grumbleweeds as well, which for 
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was something, I guess it 
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Mike Craig. 

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I think he championed them and 
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And I certainly found them very 
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variety and work in men's club. 
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the Grumbleweeds. 
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but I don't actually think I've 
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passed away two or three years 
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was a Jimmy Savile 
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That work dried up last. 
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Dennis from the Now from the Now
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passed away and that he actually
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survivor. 
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on that. 
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who make make a dime as 
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you have to think. 
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Charles when the Queen turned up
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Janet Brown because she used to 
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impersonation. 
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back up in conversation briefly 
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By the way, OK, so it's funny 
how so many people got into the 

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Goon show through the Goon show 
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you know, that they they'd read 
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shows. 
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Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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I'd heard them all before I had 
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by and large. 
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younger, I used to reread the 
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because they were so important 
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It's nice to be back in that 
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any kind of medium for you to 
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it when its main element is 
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through the Adrian Just Show 
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snippets from all sorts of 
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from things that I still kind of
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source you might of the comedy, 
you might say something, just 

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though I liked some of the clips
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annoy me when he would punctuate
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just wanted to hear the song. 
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there's some other on BBC 
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FM, me being with Mark 
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they said, oh, you sound a bit 
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that would, I'd find that 
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there was a woman involved in 
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Who'd have thought it? 
Good Lord. 

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Quite actually very progressive 

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Because he, he used to do that 

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on his, on his radio shows. 
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his live stuff, but you sort of 
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Agent just a friend of mine 
found it massively hilarious 

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the BBC. 
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You had, oh, it's, it's when 
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It is not your business. 
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Danny Baker and Adrian was not 
particularly keen on what he was

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And DLT rang him up and said, 

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autobiography was he described 
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string, which I have to say is 
one of the most withering 

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insults. 
I've ever heard Adrian just he 

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referred to him as. 
Yes. 

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Wow, you know, have you ever 
seen the film The Alan Partridge

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Film? 
AP. 

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I haven't because I've got this 
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where I don't really like Alan 
Partridge on his own. 

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I like, you mean the day-to-day 
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But similarly with The Office. 
And I can watch one episode of 

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The Office and I think, well, 
OK, anything else is just that 

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joke again, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

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So it possibly means I've missed
a few things that I've. 

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I've seen some stuff but I 
haven't seen AP. 

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The crux of the film basically 
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the radio station that Alan 
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new management team and they're 
doing a complete overhaul and 

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they're getting rid of, they 
have to get rid of, I guess what

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they would class as dinosaur 
DJs. 

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And one of them, one of them, 
basically a large gentleman 

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called Pat doesn't want to go 
and there ends up being a 

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hostage situation. 
OK. 

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happen at all, but in my head, I
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DLT, with the hero conflict. 
And I wish it had happened, but 

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no. 
Pat isn't very good, so let him 

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go guys. 
Seriously. 

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I can condense that to three 
words, just like Pat. 

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That completes my presentation, 
gentlemen. 

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I'll leave this your biscuits. 
So with the games now, the, the 

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show we're talking about today 
is quite unique in that it is 

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performed without an audience 
and without any, well, there's 

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music in it, but there's no, I 
don't know, there's, there's no 

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live music. 
It's all played in, isn't it? 

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There's, there's no Max or Ray, 
but yeah, there's a lot of music

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in this. 
The the, the reason why that 

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we're going to talk about today 
that is, is new. 

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I mean, it, it's all from disc. 
It's got quite a strange 

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atmosphere. 
The reason why it's a it is a 

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completely different atmosphere 
when you compare it to other 

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goon shows recorded with an 
audience. 

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Right, So what? 
Why this? 

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Why this particular episode? 
Well, for a long time, my 

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favorite goon show episode was 
the mountain eaters. 

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So that's so that's like a 
typical goon show, but for some 

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reason it seemed to be gag, gag,
gag, gag gag or amazing idea. 

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And it just, I, I, I didn't ever
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then when I heard this one, this
was something else. 

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I think that somehow the absence
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it a completely believable world
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sort of say hello folks or 
anything. 

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It's a story being told to, to 
the world. 

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So I I found it much easier to 
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the point where when you get to 
Blood Knocks Office, I can 

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envisage the textures of the 
fabrics hung on the walls in my 

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mind. 
And there's there's the scene on

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the balcony where On Bowel 
speaks with Valentine Dials 

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character. 
Somehow that just seems to it 

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just seems to be alive for me. 
The plot kind of has some sense 

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and the narrative largely helds 
together. 

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There are umpteen holes and 
changes which I've suddenly 

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realised. 
But as a goon show, it's a goon 

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show. 
So it's based upon a really 

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stupid premise, undertaking a 
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the cheapest way to fill in a 
hole or to achieve something. 

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When I've I've shipped myself a 
couple of questions or having 

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listened to it again, thinking 
basically it's nothing to do 

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with the government, is it? 
I think that's a local authority

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matter or perhaps the the Thames
River Board or whatever. 

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So it's a really, and you could 
even say things like we wouldn't

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have Lords and MPs in the same 
chamber. 

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Well, that's true. 
OK, overthinking it now. 

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Oh, absolutely, yeah. 
But of course that. 

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I do that. 
I do that. 

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Well, that's that's what happens
when you start to work out why 

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you like something. 
If you dismantle the butterfly, 

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you still got the beautiful 
bits. 

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It's not a butterfly anymore, is
it? 

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It's a very nice turn to phrase 
that I must use that. 

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OK, before we start talking 
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about how the show came about as
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to give a little bit of 
historical context as to what 

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was going on in the world when 
these shows air. 

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OK. 
And this one, this one is it, it

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comes between Series 7 and 
Series 8 and it's broadcast. 

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I think it's just over a month 
before the beginning of Series 

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8. 
OK, so it's it's broadcast on 

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the 22nd of August 1957. 
Now you know, I was looking to 

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see what happened on 22nd of 
August 1957. 

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Not again, not a huge amount 
that would interest us, but 

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there was a very significant 
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1957. 
Now are you a snooker fan? 

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I'm a huge snooker fan. 
Are you? 

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I don't. 
I don't follow it anymore, but I

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would I would recognize. 
I'm sure I'd recognize the 

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names. 
OK, ever heard of the Golden 

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Nugget? 
Oh, that wasn't that wasn't Bill

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Werbeneck, was it? 
Or something. 

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No, no, no, Bill Werbeneck, who 
who had a doctor's note saying 

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that he he he could drink pints 
during matches to steady his 

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nerves. 
Yes. 

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So who was the golden nugget 
then? 

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That was a nickname given to 
Steve Davis. 

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Oh, was it? 
Oh, crikey, yeah. 

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I've never heard of that in his 
association with him. 

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Yeah, I think it was Alex 
Higgins and kindly gave him that

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name. 
Nickname maybe? 

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I'm not sure. 
No love lost between those two. 

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Steve Davis, now perhaps better 
known as a prog rock enthusiast.

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Big Magma fan. 
Well, yeah, and also he's he's 

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in a in a group called Utopia 
Strong and he performs with 

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Carvers Tarabi, who's now in 
who's in gone and used to be in 

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Cardiacs, who were kind of 
almost like a prog rock band but

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with punk sensibilities. 
Yes. 

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And one of the one of those 
bands where I think, oh, lots of

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that's far too twiddly. 
You know, about 10 songs, and I 

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like about six of them, but I 
really like three of them. 

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So in fact, I think I saw Steve 
Davis in a pub in Bristol a few 

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years ago when I was there for a
friend's birthday, and I think 

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he might even have been 
performing as Utopia Strong 

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before I really knew what it 
was. 

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So I didn't. 
So I'd never heard that golden 

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nugget Monica applied to him. 
I suppose it was the Spitting 

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Image, Steve interesting Davis 
that that stuck and turns out to

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be accurate in a way that 
Spitting Image had no intention 

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of achieving so. 
Yeah, he, he laboured for many, 

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many, many years to shake off 
that interesting association and

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I and I think he, I think he 
managed it. 

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Yes. 
Well, well, well certainly if 

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you're, I suppose because I'm 
sort of of the Mark Radcliffe, 

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Mark Riley persuasion when it 
comes to radio DJs, you 

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eventually become aware of of 
things like that. 

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So. 
OK, so yeah, so Steve Davis was 

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born on the day the show goes 
out. 

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Stephen Fry was born two days 
later, by the way. 

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Oh, OK. 
And on the 22nd of August, so 

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the day that this show is 
broadcast, Harry Seekins up in 

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Liverpool. 
He's he's performing at the 

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Liverpool Empire in the show 
called Rocking the Town or 

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Rocking the Town. 
And again around this time as 

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well. 
In August 1957, the Peter 

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Sellers single boiled bananas 
and carrots backed by any old 

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iron was released. 
Wasn't that boiled beef and 

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carrots? 
Well, the original I think was 

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boiled beef and carrots, but his
his version is boiled bananas. 

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But of the two, Any Old Iron is 
the one that is the is the tune 

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that is remembered these days, 
if it's remembered at all. 

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In fact, Ralph Reeder, who was 
Seller's mentor, he was the guy 

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behind the gang shows in the 
wall that Sellers appeared in. 

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Ralph Reeder chose Any Old Iron 
as one of his desert island 

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disks in 1961. 
So do you remember? 

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And it got to number 17. 
And it was produced by, of 

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course, George Martin. 
George Martin Yes, and on the 

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George Martin topic, because I 
had a look to see what was 

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happening in history around the 
time of broadcast and because I 

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wondered when it when the show 
might have been written. 

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You'll maybe you'll be able to 
tell me that, but the closest 

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thing I found was on the 6th of 
July, Paul McCartney meets John 

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Lennon and his band The 
Quarryman. 

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So that's, that's a, that's a 
significant event for you, I 

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would, I would imagine. 
Oh yeah, Walton and fate, Yeah. 

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And it was Ivan Vaughn that 
introduced them, wasn't it? 

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Paul's mate, who was a friend of
John's as well. 

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Oh, OK, right. 
Yeah. 

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So I'm not, I'm not a I'm not a 
great disciple of The Beatles, 

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as I've previously confessed. 
To but. 

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But I I understand now very, 
very important because most of 

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the bands I like are probably 
based to some extent on The 

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Beatles or the freedom that The 
Beatles achieve for people. 

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Yes. 
Are they quite popular? 

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The Beatles. 
Oh yes, you're very welcome. 

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So they, so John and Paul met? 
Yeah. 

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So John and Paul met, what, six 
weeks before the show? 

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OK, anyway, the background to 
this show and. 

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And obviously we had the 
starlings. 

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You've heard the starlings, I'm 
guessing. 

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Yes. 
And because that's another of 

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the ones without a an audience 
and that's got a completely 

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different atmosphere, but it's 
got a completely different 

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atmosphere to this one because 
it because the recording that we

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hear doesn't sound as good as 
this one. 

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No in terms of quality, but. 
It was recorded up in Newcastle.

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I seem to remember we we have 
done an episode on. 

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Starling. 
Yes. 

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Yes, you have. 
Yeah. 

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But Spike really enjoyed that 
experience doing the Starlings. 

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OK. 
And in February of 57, Spike was

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chatting to the Goon Show 
producer Pat Dixon. 

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I think they were probably 
talking about, you know, 

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planning or contract 
negotiations for the upcoming 

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Series 8, the Goon show, right? 
And Spike suggested to Pat 

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Dickson that it might be an idea
that the Goons could could do 

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645 minute shows without an 
audience in the vein of the 

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Starlings. 
OK, So he had it in his head 

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that he wanted to make six of 
these special audience free 

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shows. 
All right. 

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And Pat Dickson was open to it. 
So Pat Dickson goes and puts 

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this to the management, BBC 
management. 

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So that's in February. 
But by April he'd, he'd had very

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little in the way of any sort of
encouragement by by the 

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management and Spike, Spike had 
kind of moved on as well by this

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point. 
And he had all the commitments 

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and, and what not writing 
commitments and all the rest of 

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it. 
And he'd only produce and he 

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produced one script, which is 
this show, the reason why? 

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And it was agreed that that this
would be produced as a special, 

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not within the the actual 
series. 

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They decided, look, we'll just 
do this one and the other five 

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that they had in mind or that 
Spike had in mind or they hadn't

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written the idea for that was 
quietly dropped, OK. 

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And they planned that they would
they would record in July and 

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and then they couldn't record in
July because Harry had 

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commitments. 
So they recorded it in on the 

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11th of August at at BBC 
Piccadilly Studios. 

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And the thing the thing about 
this is that Pat Dixon was 

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unavailable at this time to to 
produce. 

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The reason why? 
So Jakes Brown stepped in. 

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There was a chap called Jack's 
Jack, somebody who put on Men At

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Work. 
Brown Jakes Brown. 

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Yeah, he used to pay Nicholas 
Ridiculous to give himself some 

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money in the show. 
Cunning bastard. 

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I saw he was the producer and in
that sort of mid 80s 

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introduction to the Goons, A 
Sound of Goons, I seem to 

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remember him being mentioned as 
possibly one of the original 

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producers of the Goons. 
But he was a great believer in 

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recording without an audience, 
which at the time I think the 

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performers and the writers 
thought, no, we need the 

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audience to give it, to give it 
the lift and to give the 

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performers energy. 
So it's interesting that it was 

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that it was, it was him, but 
also maybe that explains why the

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quality was up there because 
that was something he 

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concentrated on. 
Well, he was, Yeah, he was. 

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He was there right at the 
beginning with the Goons 1948. 

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They 194849 Jimmy Grafton is 
trying to hawk round to the BBC 

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the idea of the Goons. 
And they'd made this prototype 

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Goon show recording called 
Sellers Castle. 

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Oh, yes, I do remember hearing 
of that, yeah. 

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And it was set in a sort of 
rundown Oldcastle and Lord 

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Sellers owned it. 
And you had Michael Benteen in 

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there as a guest of Ozric Pure 
Heart type. 

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You had Harry and and Spike as 
Eccles had Alfred Marks in it, 

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Peter Butterworth and Robert 
Morton. 

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So they were all in this 
recording and also Janet Brown. 

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Ah, good. 
Janet Brown. 

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Goodness, me and Jake Brown had 
been, I think it, I think the 

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case was the BBC had said, OK, 
you can, you could record like a

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pilot if you like. 
And so, so that's what they did 

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and they got Jake Brown as the 
producer and he, as you say, he,

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Brown didn't like studio 
audiences particularly. 

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He just thought it was 
unnecessary to have a studio 

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audience and Jimmy Grafton 
thought the opposite and they 

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argued and and what they agreed 
was that they would they would 

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record 2 pilots, one with an 
audience and one without. 

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The problem was the first one 
they they recorded was without 

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an audience and without telling 
Jimmy Grafton. 

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Jakes Brown took that tape to 
the program planners who 

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listened to it and rejected it, 
and so they never got a chance 

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to hear the one the audience. 
I do remember hearing something 

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along those lines within that A 
Sound of Goons. 

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00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,840
I've not listened to that 
documentary for so long. 

449
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,680
That's right. 
Well, yeah. 

450
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,200
And he, so he, he'd been, he'd 
been involved with that pilot. 

451
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:06,120
And then the Reason why is his 
only credited Goon Show producer

452
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,000
credit, if you like. 
Although he did produce the Goon

453
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,080
Show episode, the missing Prime 
Minister from the fourth series 

454
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,600
because Peter, Peter Eaton had 
been taken ill. 

455
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,240
And so at the last minute, they 
got Jake, Jake Browning to to 

456
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,280
produce. 
Although at the end of that 

457
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,440
show, Greenslade still announces
the producer as Peter Eaton. 

458
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,280
Yeah. 
So, yeah. 

459
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,680
So so they got Jake Browning on 
board to to produce The reason 

460
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,920
why around this time as well. 
Do you know about the vintage 

461
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,400
Goons recordings that they did? 
They ended up doing Series 8. 

462
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,040
There's quite a few of the the 
ones that I've either heard 

463
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960
through BBC Sounds or when it 
when it was when they were 

464
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,560
broadcast on the radio, they'd 
say vintage goons or. 

465
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,720
For the. 
Transcription service. 

466
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,640
And yes, I think you've said 
before that it sounds like that 

467
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600
it, it kind of kills a load of 
the energy of the of the new 

468
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,360
Goon shows because you know, 
people are having to do 2 shows.

469
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Well, that's right. 
So they were recording a bunch 

470
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,800
of re recording or new new 
recordings of a bunch of mainly 

471
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,120
series 4 episodes and and these 
were purely going to be used for

472
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,600
overseas radio stations, 
particularly CBC in in Canada. 

473
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,880
And originally they were going 
to record these between series 7

474
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,720
and series eight. 
OK. 

475
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,520
But again, because of Harry's 
unavailability, because he was, 

476
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,800
he was appearing in rocking the 
town, they they couldn't record 

477
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,200
these vintage goons episodes 
prior to series 8. 

478
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
And also Larry who, Larry 
Stevens, who was adapting the 

479
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,560
script, he had commitments on 
things like the Army game at the

480
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,560
time. 
So again, he wasn't able to 

481
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,680
revise the episodes in time. 
So they ended up being recorded 

482
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,640
in series during series 8 
anyway. 

483
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,680
So they they, they, they record 
this the reason why in early 

484
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,480
August 57, it goes out the 22nd 
and after or around the time 

485
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,320
it's going out being recorded, 
it's agreed that Jakes Brown 

486
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,000
would actually take over as 
permanent producer of the Goon 

487
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,280
show from from mid November 
because Pat Dixon was going to 

488
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,520
do the first few and then he he 
was going to sort of step down 

489
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,200
in the end. 
As it turned out, Pat Dixon 

490
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,440
never returned to the Goon show.
He was ill as well. 

491
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,360
He was also recording Michael 
Bentine's radio series, and 

492
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,560
Jakes Brown never ended up 
taking over as permanent 

493
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,920
producer. 
So perhaps, perhaps that's for 

494
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,280
the best. 
I don't know. 

495
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Possibly if if you're in a, if 
it's a format you're not 

496
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,600
comfortable with, so you 
probably don't believe it as 

497
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,840
much, you're going to be spikier
and less motivated in certain 

498
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,800
ways, so. 
That's it, that's it. 

499
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520
And it's and so in when when 
this episode goes out, there's a

500
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,160
literal article in the Radio 
Times saying it says goon 

501
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,760
special. 
It says home service listens on 

502
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,120
Thursday can hear the results of
spikes, literary labours in the 

503
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,960
reason why a programme of 
Midsummer madness guaranteed to 

504
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,760
gladden the goon struck. 
That's quite that's quite a bit 

505
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,960
of Spiel 4, isn't it? 
Yeah, and have you seen, have 

506
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,280
you seen the photographs of the 
goons around Cleopatra's Needle?

507
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,240
No I haven't. 
Is this an? 

508
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,800
Is this an image search I need 
to do? 

509
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,680
Yes, yes, there's a, there's a 
number of photographs as, as I 

510
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,880
guess publicity for this show, 
the goons adopted Victorian garb

511
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,680
mostly. 
And they, they, they went around

512
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880
and had the photograph taken 
around Cleopatra's Needle and 

513
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,280
the Daily Mirror dated 12th of 
August 1957. 

514
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
So the day after the show was 
recorded. 

515
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,560
And I'm presuming they had these
photos taken the day that they 

516
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,400
recorded the show. 
The Daily Mirror has a has a 

517
00:29:54,400 --> 00:30:00,400
short piece saying it's it's 
titled Bloody Hell, Gooner 

518
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Gooner Patra, Gooner Patra, 
which isn't that isn't a pun 

519
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,960
gooner Patra, is it? 
That needs 5 more minutes, 

520
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,560
doesn't. 
It and it says and whoever wrote

521
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,920
this says. 
I took what should have been a 

522
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880
quiet stroll along London's 
Embankment after lunch yesterday

523
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,560
and found the goons were in 
command of Cleopatra's Needle. 

524
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,640
This is 1887 yelled Spike 
Milligan standing on the base in

525
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520
a pair of rust corduroy 
trousers, green shoes, a tail 

526
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920
coat and a taupey. 
We've just bought this back from

527
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,280
Africa. 
A well known place alongside him

528
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,560
where Harry seek him and Peter 
Sellers and tailcoats and 

529
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,080
toppers. 
Harry screeched and ducked. 

530
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,880
Lookout Pigeon then started to 
sing a song about Lord 

531
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,040
Palmerston. 
I love you. 

532
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,800
Having all convinced themselves 
that they had just bought the 

533
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,680
needle back across the seas, 
Harry announced. 

534
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
I now declare this needle well 
and truly threaded. 

535
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Then they then they sang they'll
always be in England and gave 3 

536
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,240
hearty chairs for the Empire. 
100 or so passers by joined in 

537
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,120
the fun when one snapped a 
picture of Seek and he yelled 

538
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,120
I'll have three of them. 
What was this Gooner Patras 

539
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,640
needle stuff all about? 
I asked. 

540
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360
The goons explained that they 
have a new theory on how the 

541
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,760
needle came to Britain which 
they will expound in a special 

542
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,480
BBC Home Service program on 
August 22. 

543
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Yesterday they were getting 
local colour and then it says in

544
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,120
in italics. 
Cleopatra's needle was a gift 

545
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,320
from Egypt to Britain and was 
towed here in a special iron 

546
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,960
container in 1878. 
So there you go. 

547
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Because I'd kind of forgotten 
that it would, that Cleopatra's 

548
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,920
needle is actually on the 
embankment. 

549
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,800
So yeah, yes, because there you 
can. 

550
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,760
You can see photos of the needle
in its in its buoyant jacket. 

551
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Yes, that did have a, it did 
have that wooden jacket thing, 

552
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,120
yeah. 
Yes, steel or steel or whatever 

553
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,280
it is, it's quite something 
because it's, it's a, it's a big

554
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,440
lump of stone to move around. 
I've got a little bit of 

555
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
information about it and which I
will not go into, apart from 

556
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,200
just to say it was originally 
constructed for that Mose the 

557
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,680
third, whoever he was, she was. 
He gets mentioned by Sellers, 

558
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,880
mentions him in one of the goon 
shows. 

559
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,600
It might be. 
Is it Rummel's treasure or 

560
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,680
something? 
Oh, OK, yeah. 

561
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,600
And then it was during the sort 
of, I guess pre Victorian 

562
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,080
period, just after the 
Napoleonic Wars, it was, it was 

563
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,920
decided that the obelisk be 
brought to England by private 

564
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,200
means. 
The government didn't want to 

565
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,200
get involved and Sir Erasmus 
Wilson, who was a surgeon, 

566
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,280
provided the funds to bring it 
across. 

567
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Good Lord. 
And it was transported in a 92 

568
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:57,640
foot. 
There you go. 

569
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Iron pontoon, not wood. 
OK. 

570
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,240
It was abandoned in a storm in 
the Bay of Biscay, but it was 

571
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,400
recovered. 
And then it was installed on a 

572
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,760
pedestal on the Thames 
Embankment in 1878. 

573
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,760
And it has this kind of time 
capsule element to it. 

574
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,000
It's got many things sort of 
secreted away inside it, inside 

575
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240
like a cavity, which we'll come 
to later. 

576
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,920
It's interesting that they say 
it's a gift from the government 

577
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,080
of Egypt when wonder who the 
government of Egypt was at the 

578
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,920
time. 
Yes. 

579
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Yeah, to the and and and brought
to the UK by by by private 

580
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200
means, actually, that's not 
going to blow up in anyone's 

581
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,200
faces later on. 
Mr. Prime Minister, you haven't 

582
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,680
introduced me to our guest. 
This is the Honourable Harold 

583
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Bowles, MP. 
And Bowles? 

584
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,360
This is Lord Finn, the famous 
builder and sculptor. 

585
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Builder and sculptor. 
What do you sculpt? 

586
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,560
Houses. 
Do you use a model? 

587
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,680
My dear old grandmother, You'll 
see. 

588
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,840
It's a family business, I see. 
A sculptor, you say? 

589
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Hi, Jove. 
You might be the very man. 

590
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,639
Let's let's go out on the 
balcony setting there. 

591
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:22,719
Excuse me, I I think your fed 
has held in his pocket, Jove. 

592
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,920
So he has. 
Allow me to introduce him to 

593
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,159
your Count Moriarty, the 
honourable bound beetle. 

594
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,280
Meet you on bound Montplega. 
Montplega. 

595
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,120
The Count is a model much in 
demand by artists on the 

596
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,000
continent. 
Really. 

597
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,440
Yes. 
He posed for the original Eiffel

598
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,239
Tower. 
Good how he's changed. 

599
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,320
So what my first question about 
this? 

600
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,080
I don't know if you you can 
answer this. 

601
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,520
I don't. 
We're missing, I think we're 

602
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,679
missing something here. 
It's called the reason why, and 

603
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:56,159
that's presumably based on a 
maybe a book or I don't know 

604
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,120
what. 
I don't know why it's called, 

605
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,720
the reason why? 
No, I've, I, I haven't, I 

606
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,280
haven't come to any particular 
conclusions unless it's, unless 

607
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,760
it's why Cleopatra's needle on 
the Tenzin Franklin. 

608
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,840
That's that's the after what he 
told me. 

609
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,200
That's, that's the closest 
thing. 

610
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,280
So that's a bit of a, that's a 
tiny little thing rather than 

611
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,840
some no esoteric comment. 
Yeah. 

612
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,240
Or the Thames Embankment scandal
might have been another title. 

613
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,600
But I suppose it doesn't it it 
doesn't invite curiosity, does 

614
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,320
it? 
It doesn't. 

615
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,320
And the reason why is not a Goon
show title. 

616
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,040
It's it's like this. 
It's like the title of the play,

617
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,120
a radio play. 
But then, maybe that's what 

618
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,240
Milligan was thinking. 
If he if he'd started off with 

619
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:46,240
the idea of, oh, let's have 645 
minute long stories or dramas, 

620
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,880
maybe it's it's almost sort of 
like a goon film, but on the 

621
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,640
radio. 
Well, it, it's recorded in BBC 

622
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Piccadilly studios as opposed to
in a theatre in front of an 

623
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,080
audience. 
And the, so you get it's, it's 

624
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,920
recorded like a, like a radio 
play and you get these kind of 

625
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,880
flat acoustics, quite subdued 
tone to it. 

626
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Oh, and by the way, I was going 
to say I I looked at the 

627
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,840
original script and there's 
loads of stuff that isn't 

628
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,880
included in the actual show as 
broadcast. 

629
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,560
So I'm I'm assuming I'm thinking
that maybe it was a 45 minute 

630
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,040
script that was then. 
Cut down. 

631
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:30,400
Cut down, yeah, but and and it's
kind of like, I mean, there's a 

632
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,000
distinct whiff of the decline of
Empire about this and, and, and 

633
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,320
it's trappings as you get in a 
lot of game shows, but this 

634
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,360
one's got much more sort of boys
and adventure feel to it. 

635
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,280
Yes, because the isn't the the 
territorial height of the 

636
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,160
British Empire? 
Isn't that 1922 when I think it 

637
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,760
achieves? 
Is it 20% of the of the land 

638
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,960
area? 
Of the globe is it that late? 

639
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,640
Is it 22 it? 
Is that late? 

640
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,920
And then I don't know quite what
causes the change. 

641
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,360
Possibly they then no declare 
other areas their own dominions 

642
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,600
or something. 
But yeah, so in 1876, things 

643
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,600
things were still still 
expanding. 

644
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And it's Spikes obviously got a 

645
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,600
been as bonnet about the British
Empire. 

646
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,720
Well, haven't, haven't been born
in it, but, and I wonder if the 

647
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,880
way his father was treated as an
Irishman, which is OK, You've, 

648
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,920
you've now come back, we've 
brought you back from India and 

649
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,360
you're no longer a British 
citizen. 

650
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,400
So yes, and you've, you've, 
you've talked before about his 

651
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
antipathy towards some members 
of the officer class. 

652
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,800
Well, those war memoirs, he 
seems to get on well enough with

653
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,800
quite a few of them. 
Mm hmm, I'm just just to catch 

654
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640
him as well. 
So Spike wrote this on his own. 

655
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,640
So for series 7, which preceded 
this, I think all of them mostly

656
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,240
he was, he was writing with 
Larry, Larry Stevens. 

657
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,640
And for a solo, Spike's script 
is this is remarkably, I mean, 

658
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040
it's, it's amusing, but it's 
remarkably restrained. 

659
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:17,080
It's not loose as you'd. 
There's not huge zany moments. 

660
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,120
No, it's. 
I hate to use the word zany, but

661
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:25,120
yeah. 
Yes, and the it's quite a linear

662
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,760
plot as well, isn't it? 
It? 

663
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:32,800
In that it has a start, a middle
and an end, and the original 

664
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,080
idea hasn't been forgotten 
about. 

665
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,320
No, that's true. 
That's true. 

666
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,520
Maybe that's because he wasn't 
writing it under such pressure. 

667
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,040
If, if by the by the end you're,
you're writing these, was it 26 

668
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,640
a year or something? 
And so you build, you get a bit 

669
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,160
of momentum with something like 
that. 

670
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,960
But then there's then the 
pressure, which is I've used to,

671
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,200
I've used that idea. 
Oh, there's this idea where, 

672
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,720
where are these ideas coming 
from? 

673
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:06,680
So maybe it's the older rest and
relaxation and you get a 

674
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,560
different version of someone who
obviously at times did not 

675
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,840
handle pressure well due to some
of his own tendencies, but also 

676
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,840
his experiences in the war. 
So where he'd he reached the 

677
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,280
point where he'd had enough, and
that was a mortar shell bursting

678
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,160
over him. 
Yeah, So, well, that's true 

679
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,840
because he'd written. 
So I think he said we've 

680
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,320
established he'd written the 
script by April 57. 

681
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Oh, OK. 
And I think the Goon Show had 

682
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,520
ended. 
The series Seven had ended by 

683
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,560
that point. 
I'm pretty sure it had it looks.

684
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,960
Like Series 7 ended, it looks 
like 28th of March 1957. 

685
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,880
Right. 
OK, so you could you could you 

686
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,320
could argue that perhaps Spike 
had been working on this script 

687
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,960
for the reason why here and 
there, bits and pieces at odd 

688
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,720
times, but he had he he had time
to do it. 

689
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:04,160
He didn't. 
There was no pressure, like you 

690
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:10,000
say, to produce a weekly script.
So he wrote and refined it down.

691
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,720
And you know, there might have 
been several drafts of this. 

692
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,240
I'm sure there probably was. 
We've got all the major 

693
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:21,560
characters from the Goon Show, 
but this some of them are 

694
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,560
slightly different in the sense 
that. 

695
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,040
Well, Seagoon's not Seagoon. 
He's the on on Harold Bowels. 

696
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,920
That is that. 
I think that's the key element 

697
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,680
which in not only is there no 
audience and no band and no Max 

698
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,920
or Ray, there's no Neddy 
Seagoon. 

699
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,800
It is quite a it is quite a 
departure. 

700
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:46,360
No the on bowels and Blue 
bottle. 

701
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,400
Later on, when Blue Bottle turns
out, he sounds lost without an 

702
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,280
audience. 
Yes, because he he appears 

703
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,520
twice, doesn't he? 
He sort of introduced when 

704
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Bowels meets Blood Knock, which 
there's there's an image to come

705
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,320
do with and and then later on 
just before the end. 

706
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,720
Yes, because there's that. 
There's that sequence at near 

707
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:13,160
the end where you've got Sellers
playing a Bedouin shake, having 

708
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680
a conversation with Bluebottle. 
So it's basically Sellers 

709
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,440
talking to himself doing 
switching between voices. 

710
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,200
There's quite I noted there's 
quite a lot of that in this 

711
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,120
episode, but some I think 
sometimes it's I don't know if 

712
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,160
there's blood not to blue bottle
or something. 

713
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,360
But yeah, there's two or three 
examples of that happening. 

714
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,280
And particularly with the the 
Bedouin shake, it seems really 

715
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,360
seamless. 
So either sellers voice shifting

716
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,280
really well. 
Or. 

717
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,160
They're really spending the 
money on the production and 

718
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,280
making sure the editing's good. 
Yeah, but it, it kind of seems 

719
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,880
to, it seems to the conversation
seems to have the same sort of 

720
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,840
energy and rhythm through it. 
There's not a jar where where 

721
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,600
there's an edit in the tape or 
something. 

722
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,920
And even if that's 
imperceptible, you'd get a 

723
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,800
change in the the metre of the 
voices like I suppose. 

724
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,080
Come in. 
Greetings, Shake. 

725
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,400
I have brought the phantom money
for a release of Honourable 

726
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,400
Pals. 
Show me in the money. 

727
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,400
No, no, we're not. 
I have been warned that the 

728
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,880
Mistress of the East. 
I will show you half of the 

729
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,080
money. 
All right. 

730
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,040
Bring me my sword and I'll show 
you half of Mr. Bowles. 

731
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,720
Did you notice? 
Because when we have the the 

732
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,720
scene in Parliament at the 
beginning and you've got all 

733
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:43,680
these mildewed, desiccated old 
Lords and ministers and you keep

734
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,200
hearing mini. 
Yes. 

735
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Sort of in the background, sort 
of prattling on about something.

736
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,360
Speak up, young man. 
Yes. 

737
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,720
Yes. 
And then at one point you've got

738
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:55,880
Spike doing the Springs voice 
giving a speech. 

739
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,800
And if you if you listen very 
carefully, you can hear sellers 

740
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,240
doing men in the background. 
Oh, really? 

741
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,840
No, I hadn't. 
I hadn't picked that up. 

742
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Yeah, no, no, nothing, just just
like not even words, just sort 

743
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,680
of the min noises, you know the 
mini noises and out of the 10 of

744
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,280
last year, yes, I have the 
separate fingers for men and 

745
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,640
women. 
I'm trying to think if if there 

746
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,320
were times when Milligan wasn't 
present for the recording, did 

747
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,600
he did Sellers ever do mini 
banister? 

748
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,160
I know he did Echoes, but 
because he was Speaking of 

749
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,480
someone else, you could you 
could tell us. 

750
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Just let us keep continuing 
talking. 

751
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,760
But he he's done. 
I'm sure he did many. 

752
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,800
He must have done many. 
And I haven't listened to it for

753
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,800
a long, long time. 
The Met Riki rising episode when

754
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,240
Milligan was off I'll, but not 
very convincingly, I don't 

755
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,440
think. 
I'll have to check that. 

756
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,880
He must have done because 
there's, there's, there's mini 

757
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,520
Bannister. 
She cooks, she cooks the Ravens 

758
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,800
and a pie, doesn't she? 
So Oh, there you go. 

759
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,280
I think so. 
There you go. 

760
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,200
That'll be it. 
Yeah, just while we're on 

761
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,000
Voices, Yes, it there's a scene 
at 10 Downing Street where the 

762
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
on bowels is, Yeah, we're led to
believe he's talking to the 

763
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Prime Minister, but then we hear
the voice of Churchill. 

764
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,400
Well, I wondered about that. 
Is he? 

765
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Is he Churchill or is he or is 
Seller sellers doing it as 

766
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,760
Harold Macmillan? 
Oh. 

767
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:31,440
I suppose, I suppose actually it
could be, it could be Churchill,

768
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,160
couldn't it? 
Because I remember in the 

769
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:41,040
international Christmas pudding,
what's the Oh no in in operation

770
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,840
Christmas Duff when he's talking
about and set the set the 

771
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,400
pudding more on fire. 
I think that was meant to be 

772
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,000
Churchill and I'm thinking about
it. 

773
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,880
That is, I think that's quite 
close to the voice that Sellers 

774
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,000
uses in this one. 
Yeah, although by that point 

775
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Churchill hadn't been Prime 
Minister for a good by 18 months

776
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,800
or more, maybe more. 
But right, here's the thing. 

777
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,080
Obviously you've got that voice.
And then later on, we hear 

778
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,520
Gladstone, don't we? 
Yes, because I thought, I 

779
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,560
thought the Prime Minister had 
been introduced at some point 

780
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,560
earlier as Mr. Disraeli. 
Oh, OK, But is it is glad it is 

781
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,960
identified as Gladstone, isn't 
it? 

782
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Or am I it? 
Is late, it is later on and and 

783
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,600
sellers is using a completely 
different voices again. 

784
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,720
Right. 
Yeah, Sellers, you say. 

785
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,120
Right. 
Sellers, I'm not sure what 

786
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,400
sellers is doing that, but yes. 
Yeah, well, I think it's 

787
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,960
sellers, but if the certain 
certain sources claim that spike

788
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,600
doing that voice and I I'm not 
buying it. 

789
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,640
I'm convinced it's. 
Sellers it's or particularly in 

790
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,080
the big where the I think the 
first time the needle has sunk 

791
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,560
or has has got away and you get 
the the the Prime Minister 

792
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,840
saying, am I afraid this just 
won't do? 

793
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,880
Yes. 
Something a friend and I use 

794
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,880
quite occasionally when 
something's gone wrong. 

795
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,400
To me, that's pure sellers. 
Yeah, that's pure sellers. 

796
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Yeah, Honourable Bowers, I the 
obelisk is at the bottom of the 

797
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,640
sea. 
I'm afraid this dust will do 

798
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:24,760
find Gladstone. 
I was I was struck by how much 

799
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,840
sellers is in this one. 
He sounds like this Gladstone 

800
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,960
that he plays. 
He sounds like a cross between 

801
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Derek Nimmo and John Merrick, 
the Elephant Man. 

802
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Don't you think? 
Imagine that as a guest spot in 

803
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:38,760
all gas and gaiters. 
Good Lord. 

804
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,000
There's, there's a couple of 
little lines here which are a 

805
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,480
little bit, I mean, the, the, 
the, the, even the name bowels 

806
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,240
is a bit near the knuckle for 
1957 for the BBC. 

807
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,840
But in the in the parliament 
scene, there's a reference to 

808
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,040
irregularity, irregularities. 
Oh, yes, Oh, yeah. 

809
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,760
That's, that's Harry saying that
in a northern accent. 

810
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,920
What about the, the 
irregularities in Hyde Park 

811
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,880
then? 
Because and, and then, as I tell

812
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,240
you, I was at home all Thursday 
night or whatever it was. 

813
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,080
And I because wasn't Gladstone, 
we didn't Gladstone have a 

814
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,960
reputation for going out and 
seeking ladies of the night, 

815
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,480
bringing them home and telling 
them that they were fallen 

816
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,680
women. 
What I actually did with or to 

817
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,200
them. 
I I don't recall it it being it 

818
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,280
being said it would be small, 
sort of yes. 

819
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,240
So they're all there. 
There were, there's always been 

820
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:40,520
question marks, so. 
Oh, actually, yeah, they're 

821
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,120
they're absolutely right. 
But also just just getting back 

822
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,720
to his voice because we're 
talking about sellers. 

823
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:47,840
We think it's Sellers doing the 
the Gladstone voice. 

824
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,040
Have you heard the actual 
recording of Gladstone's voice? 

825
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,680
No, I haven't. 
That there exists, there exists 

826
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:03,800
a recording from about 1890, 
something I think, or maybe 

827
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,440
earlier, very early recording 
that Gladstone made. 

828
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,120
And it was a recording, a 
message that he he sent to 

829
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,320
Thomas Edison. 
OK. 

830
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,760
And it sounds the weirdest thing
because back then people didn't 

831
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,160
know how to modulate their voice
for for being recorded or 

832
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,280
anything like that. 
So he's talking in the oddest 

833
00:48:29,280 --> 00:49:08,480
way. 
There's also William in this 

834
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,680
episode is referred to as my old
wrinkled retainer. 

835
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,360
Yes, I because that's that's got
that put me in mind of it's a 

836
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,800
Henriette Rawlinson end. 
Yeah, 5th. 

837
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,120
Stanchion wrinkled retainer. 
So I wonder if Vivian Stanchel 

838
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:33,720
had heard that, or it might even
have been a common thing in the 

839
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,360
Army. 
Where they probably. 

840
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,520
If things were being 
particularly ribald, ribald. 

841
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,000
I don't know how you say that 
word, but I've never seen it 

842
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,760
written down. 
But. 

843
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,400
Yes, yes, it's, well, it's, I 
don't know. 

844
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,000
I mean, I think the show, the 
show was repeated the one time 

845
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,480
before BBC Radio 4 Extra came 
along. 

846
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,600
OK. 
This was the reason why it was 

847
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,920
repeated I think in 1969. 
OK. 

848
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,160
So you never know when was, when
was Sir Henry. 

849
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,720
I thought maybe it was 70s, but 
I I think there's a strong 

850
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,760
chance that Vivian Stanchaw 
would have been a Goon show 

851
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,520
listener. 
I find it hard to believe he 

852
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,360
wasn't. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

853
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:23,120
But so he, he might have done 
or, but it's, I think it's also 

854
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,520
one of those ideas that people 
can come up with independently, 

855
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,560
even if, even if they sometimes 
you can if you think, oh, I 

856
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,720
heard that program, but no, I 
don't remember that bit. 

857
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,640
So they kind of come up with it 
spontaneously or independently. 

858
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,840
Have you have you ever been 
getting back to this show? 

859
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,920
Have you ever been tempted to 
order a continental art study? 

860
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,280
You see that's that's this isn't
the only goon show that appears 

861
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,440
in. 
I can't remember who it is that 

862
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,120
blood knock writes off to which 
which one it is that he he does 

863
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,560
that. 
But yes, that's that's very much

864
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,600
it's a very old blood knock in 
that scene, isn't it? 

865
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,800
Yeah. 
But I, I think, I think it's 

866
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,640
very well done because yes, I've
got time for a bit more work 

867
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,680
because his bowels is arriving 
sideways at 11 or something. 

868
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:24,200
Well, also, Sir, blood knocks in
Alexandria, Yes, but previously 

869
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,480
he was in Parliament. 
He was. 

870
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,600
He was there during the debate 
in Parliament at the beginning, 

871
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160
wasn't he? 
Well, His, his, his voice was. 

872
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,640
It appears that there is a. 
Large hole or gap in the intense

873
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,720
embankment wall. 
It only appeared recently and to

874
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,600
date nothing has been done about
it. 

875
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,840
Was that just default military 
voice? 

876
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Do you think that sellers 
decided on them? 

877
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,040
It might have been, but in terms
of say, who's who and where they

878
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,520
are, how many people does 
Valentine Dial play in this? 

879
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,280
Oh, that's the point. 
Because Valentine dials in it, 

880
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,600
but he's not really in it, is 
he? 

881
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:12,760
He's. 
He's kind of in it right at the 

882
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,440
start, which says what year it 
is. 

883
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:20,480
And when I looked into the year,
OK, only only a Wikipedia search

884
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,520
for the year, not much was 
happening in terms of war, which

885
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,960
is usually the the usual stock 
in trade of the goons or the the

886
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,120
outcome of the war or something.
There's in terms of significant 

887
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,640
things in the Empire. 
It was Queen Victoria was 

888
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,920
declared Empress of India, 
Spanish. 

889
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,360
She had title envy with her no 
cousin or nephew or whoever the 

890
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,920
Kaiser was. 
Alexander Graham Ballard fold is

891
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,880
patent for the telephone, which 
apparently he'd kind of bullied 

892
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,160
someone else out of if the key 
was to be believed. 

893
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,160
And then we had the red triangle
for the Bass brewery became the 

894
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:05,720
first registered trademark. 
At that time, the Israeli was 

895
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:08,840
the Prime Minister, not. 
Not Gladstone. 

896
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Not Gladstone, Yeah. 
He had been prior to that, and 

897
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,600
then he was afterwards, like 
Gladstone, was succeeded by 

898
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,000
Disraeli, who he then succeeded.
The Israeli and Gladstone are 

899
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,600
the two biggest names in terms 
of Victorian area prime 

900
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,720
ministers, aren't they? 
They're the ones that everyone 

901
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,880
still remembers. 
But, but does the Israelis? 

902
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,160
Not really. 
Gladstone's known for, like you 

903
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,840
say, for his his nocturnal 
pursuits and things like that. 

904
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,080
And also he had a bag named 
after him. 

905
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,360
Yes, which is mentioned in this 
episode, isn't it? 

906
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Yeah, yeah. 
And there's I, I think, I think 

907
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:52,080
there's a nice little bit where,
see where Battles is packing and

908
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,080
he says Gladstone bag and 
Disraeli trousers. 

909
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,960
What was I going to say? 
Disraeli had nothing named after

910
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,200
him, sorry. 
Apart from the trousers. 

911
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Yeah, well, I think. 
I think well, I'd I'd I'd stuck 

912
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,240
an awe room with how many people
Valentine Dial is playing. 

913
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:14,120
Oh yeah, he. 
He gets because he's the one who

914
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:20,440
suggests, I don't know, some, 
some solution and so on. 

915
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,400
Bowels. 
Oh no, Sir fuels. 

916
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Then he turns up later as Lord 
Harrods, and then he's Lord Fun.

917
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,120
So I think I've got at least 
three for him. 

918
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,080
But he's not, he's not. 
He's not really used that much, 

919
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,240
is he? 
Sometimes he seems to be using, 

920
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,880
I don't know, as a as a foil or 
because he's he gets he gets 

921
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,400
thrown in the gets thrown in the
sea by by Admiral Crichton. 

922
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,640
But yeah, because I think I 
think that's another reason why 

923
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,240
I like this this episode, 
because he's got Valentine 

924
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:59,000
dialing because I often enjoy 
the ones that he's in. 

925
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,440
So I think it's the canal, which
is one of my favourites he's got

926
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,880
because he adds a lot of 
gravitas, I think. 

927
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,400
But he he's got his subtleties 
as well because in the canal he 

928
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,000
says Neddy was one of my adopted
songs by one of my adopted 

929
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,280
wives. 
And just that little pause put 

930
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:21,680
so much innuendo into that 
statement. 

931
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,960
I've always really enjoyed that 
and the shit like the power of 

932
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,680
his voice. 
I think is it. 

933
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,440
It's in one of the Robin Hood 
episodes where he says to Dennis

934
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,880
Price, come partake in the side 
of ox, I'll have a boiled egg. 

935
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,400
Such energy in that it's. 
Yes, yes, we've we've spoken 

936
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,760
about Valentine's Day many 
times. 

937
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,840
I think we've covered both of 
the goon shows. 

938
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:55,280
He's been under part from one or
two by the way, in the chat on 

939
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,760
this Zoom call. 
Phil, I'm going to send you now 

940
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,560
picture of the goons around 
Cleopatra's Needle, OK? 

941
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:09,760
So have a look at that. 
Yes, yes. 

942
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:15,640
So Milligan in so that's what so
that so is that is that a TOPI 

943
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,240
then or solar? 
Topi. 

944
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,720
Yeah, because that looks a bit 
like a pith helmet to me. 

945
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,160
I think it's more or less the 
same thing, isn't it pith? 

946
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,880
Helmet kind of, unless a pith 
helmet is is more military topi 

947
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,600
something different. 
But it looks like they've 

948
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,000
brought that specially and 
they've taken three sets of, I 

949
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,960
don't know, frock coat and top 
hat from whatever the costume 

950
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,120
department is somewhere, because
I can see Sellers is holding a 

951
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,440
top hat. 
He's also wearing one. 

952
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,760
Secam's wearing a top hat, but 
Milligan isn't. 

953
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,320
Milligan's got the solar. 
Topi or whatever it is, yeah. 

954
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,960
Yeah, Milligan's kind of 
channelling echoes a little bit 

955
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,120
there, I think. 
Yes, I think that was almost his

956
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,520
default, wasn't it? 
Yes, yes, because there's that 

957
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,480
episode of This is Your Life 
from 9:58 with Harry Seekim as 

958
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,960
the as the recipient. 
And right at the, I don't know 

959
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,080
if you've seen the footage, 
there's footage of Sellers and 

960
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,920
Milligan right at the end of the
show sort of coming onto stage, 

961
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,480
onto the stage. 
Sellers is nominally dressed as 

962
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,720
Blood Knock and Milligan as 
Eccles in this similar sort of 

963
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,000
hat as he's wearing in that 
picture. 

964
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,400
And they and they, they're 
carrying like a sedan chair for 

965
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,400
for Harry to sit in. 
It's very, very funny. 

966
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,040
And raising that bit as well. 
Right, they must have must have 

967
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,080
been working out if they can 
lift Mr. Sikkim in a in a sedan 

968
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,600
chair. 
Yeah, good luck. 

969
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,760
There's a few. 
You talk about voices again. 

970
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,640
You know, the the number of 
voices that I mean, Valentine 

971
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,000
Dyle plays different characters,
but they're all, they're all the

972
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,440
same voice, aren't they? 
Essentially. 

973
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,720
But Sellers plays a few. 
I mean, Sellers plays a 

974
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,120
character called Mr. Thong. 
I think I got it right. 

975
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,720
I only kind of clocked that name
very like yesterday or the day 

976
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:17,840
before because because it it, 
it's because it's a voice he 

977
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,200
hasn't used very often, 
certainly not in the goon. 

978
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,640
I don't think it's a very common
voice for him to use in the goon

979
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,600
show. 
Maybe maybe in was it swinging 

980
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,200
with Sellers He's used something
similar to that. 

981
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,440
So I'm still swinging sellers. 
Yeah, it's kind of like a nerd 

982
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,440
voice, as we would call it 
today, John. 

983
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,720
Major type of voice I suppose. 
Oh, yes, it appears to be in one

984
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,800
piece made of grade of saying 
starring weighs about. 

985
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:52,320
Let me see now. 
All right, so about 150 tons, I 

986
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,320
should say. 
Be a bit of a devil to get back 

987
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,560
to the old country, wouldn't it?
Yeah. 

988
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,320
Well, gentlemen, I've arranged 
for it to be given the buoyant 

989
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,640
wooden jacket and towed home 
behind the S S Carthena. 

990
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:07,160
Brief appearance by Grip Pipe as
Lord Thin and and Moriarty is at

991
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,480
They're both at 10 Downing St. 
and Moriarty's stealing the 

992
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,040
silverware. 
Oh yeah, I've I I made a note of

993
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,000
that because I think that's 
something that Milligan finds 

994
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:21,400
really funny because in remember
one of the BBC TV News readers 

995
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,840
he had in the Q series, I seem 
to remember he'd get up and 

996
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,120
suddenly either either his brief
ghost would fall open and a load

997
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,160
of cutlery would fall out or, 
and Milligan's characters were 

998
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,200
lots of times there'd be a whole
load of cutlery would fall out 

999
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,800
the back. 
Maybe because I because I 

1000
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,600
suppose the remember him saying 
that the grip pipe thin 

1001
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,520
character was based on the 
people he'd meet when he used to

1002
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,680
fly around the world. 
And they talk about enormous 

1003
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,720
sums of money but be skint 
themselves. 

1004
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,680
Yes. 
And so they have sort of, you 

1005
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,520
knew that they'd have ragged 
underpants and holes, visible 

1006
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,640
holes in their socks and they'd 
not, they'd sort of leave a 

1007
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,960
flight having not paid for their
drinks or, or if they run off a 

1008
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,040
tab, they'd suddenly disappear 
or something. 

1009
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,840
Yeah, So that really. 
And but you wonder, well, what 

1010
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,840
the Hell's. 
Oh, Moriarty was the model, 

1011
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,800
wasn't he? 
So he's posted the original 

1012
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,080
Eiffel, Eiffel Tower. 
God, how he's changed. 

1013
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,400
But it's the. 
It's the best version of 

1014
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,560
Moriarty, isn't it? 
It's the ragged starving 

1015
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,760
retrovers. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1016
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,640
A friend of mine, Mike, who like
first sort of said to be, you 

1017
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,680
know, have you got any other 
these goon shows with with that 

1018
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,440
are good for Moriarty and say 
how it's from a particular day 

1019
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,560
onwards? 
And I thought, I haven't really 

1020
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,840
looked at it that closely 
because that's something that 

1021
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,240
this podcast has done is sort of
I, I thought I liked the Goon 

1022
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,800
show, but I had not, I had not 
created lists or sorted out 

1023
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,400
favorite shows, particularly in,
in my mind. 

1024
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,640
And then thought, oh, that one 
that come, that one came in that

1025
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,800
series. 
That one's from another series. 

1026
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,240
To me, it's like the order of 
which I've listened to them. 

1027
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,440
So either I take them off the 
radio and then you, you're at 

1028
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,200
the point where you're buying 
the tapes or you're buying the 

1029
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,400
CDs. 
And I first heard the reason why

1030
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,560
on a CDCDI bought. 
So I had no idea about this 

1031
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:20,360
particular goon show until I 
heard it and had my eyes opened.

1032
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,600
Yeah, no, my reality ragged ass 
Moriarty is the best Moriarty 

1033
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:26,240
for. 
Sure. 

1034
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,320
The best for me, the best bit of
this show, the best sequence, is

1035
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,720
with the the on bowels dictating
a letter to Eccles. 

1036
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,040
That's funny you should say 
that, because I've written that 

1037
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,520
down, I said. 
That's one of the typical 

1038
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,640
routines of Eccles failing to do
something when he's been asked 

1039
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,800
to do it, like get out of this 
room. 

1040
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,280
It's not good. 
He's thank God he's gone. 

1041
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,840
Oh, no, I haven't or whatever. 
And there's part of me that 

1042
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,440
finds out really annoying and 
and yeah, this is your favorite 

1043
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,400
bit where? 
And I have to say when he says, 

1044
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,520
oh, you better go out and post 
that, that that's that is good. 

1045
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,800
Dear Ambassador, I will be 
coming to Alexandria next month 

1046
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,240
on state business. 
Signed on Harold Bells. 

1047
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Read that back, will you my man?
Read it back. 

1048
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:25,200
Oh yeah, it says, dear 
ambassador. 

1049
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,920
Oh yeah. 
God, My God. 

1050
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:35,000
Next one I will be. 
Oh, yeah, I will be. 

1051
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,440
That's right. 
Go on then. 

1052
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,840
I will be arriving in Alexandria
next month. 

1053
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,200
Fine, fine. 
Sign on Huddle Bells. 

1054
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,920
Yeah, yeah, that's OK. 
You better run out and post at 

1055
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,200
Molly. 
Go at Molly at once. 

1056
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:04,880
Take that, you knit. 
Take this little post at once. 

1057
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:10,040
12:50 He won't find a post box. 
Now to prepare for the journey. 

1058
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,680
William. 
Where's that old wrinkle 

1059
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,080
retainer? 
William and the wrinkled 

1060
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,240
retainer. 
William, I'm going to Egypt. 

1061
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,440
Goodbye, mate, Come back here. 
I'm not going now. 

1062
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,600
I've only just sent the letter 
informing them of my arrival. 

1063
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,720
Oh yeah, I better point it. 
Again, there's a monograph to be

1064
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,520
written in door confusion 
sketches in the Goon show. 

1065
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,880
The character supposedly has 
gone out the door, but hasn't 

1066
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,840
actually. 
That happened so many times as 

1067
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,320
in this. 
Yeah, the one I can think of is 

1068
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,480
in 1985. 
That's. 

1069
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,360
Right. 
Yeah. 

1070
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:55,720
With with Miss Fenut, yeah, just
about just on the music. 

1071
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,040
It's all on disc and a lot of 
it's quite stirring stuff. 

1072
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,800
The ending play up music is I've
I've got the name of it. 

1073
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,720
It's it's apparently it's called
Blaze Away and it's a March by 

1074
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,840
Abe Holtzman. 
Holtzman, apparently. 

1075
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,160
It sounds like it's done. 
It's sort of done by all 

1076
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,160
veterans busking trying to learn
across or something. 

1077
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,840
Yeah, it's it's. 
Although it's kind of at odds 

1078
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,200
with the grand theme of of this 
episode, it all seems to fit 

1079
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,400
really well I think. 
It's kind of a doubt. 

1080
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,280
A A A A a. 
What's the phrase? 

1081
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,840
Sort of a downbeat version. 
Downbeat. 

1082
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,440
Yeah, just to just to bring 
everything back down to earth 

1083
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,480
because you do hear everything. 
Peter, is that your shoe? 

1084
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Or something. 
Oh yeah, yeah, you hear as the 

1085
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,240
music begins or is about to 
begin, you hear Harry, he says, 

1086
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,520
see you outside, then Pete got 
your car out there. 

1087
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:03,200
And then seller's seller says 
yeah, which I like. 

1088
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,440
Nice little nice little behind 
the scenes glimpse there. 

1089
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,120
Perhaps you have been listening 
to the authentic story of 

1090
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,080
Cleopatra's Needle. 
So I mean, we've, we've not 

1091
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,240
really, we've not talked about 
the plot of this, but there's, 

1092
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,720
you know, the, the essentially 
they, they think they've got a 

1093
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,440
bargain or the on bells thinks 
he's got a bargain getting this,

1094
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,640
this edifice from Egypt for 
free, basically. 

1095
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,360
But but it ends up costing I 
think the the the total cost of 

1096
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:55,760
getting it across with salvaging
and all the rest of it 180,000 

1097
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,280
lbs and eight shillings. 
Very important with the 8 

1098
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,200
shillings there. 
Yeah, I suppose it was worth it.

1099
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,600
There's sort of doubt in Bal's 
voice and Lord Thun, he sort of 

1100
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,720
again, Valentine's Day, I'll put
this stuff and says here every 

1101
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:15,120
penny or every penny of it, each
time there there's a mention of 

1102
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,840
the cost. 
Someone will say, ah, but we're 

1103
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,960
getting the obelisk for free. 
You couldn't get one for for 

1104
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,760
anywhere near that price in in 
England. 

1105
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,480
For you. 
This may sound a lot, but 

1106
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,760
remember, we're getting the 
obelisk for free, and you could 

1107
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,360
argue that the obelisk is worth 
far more than a statue that Lord

1108
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,720
Finn is going to come up with, 
but yes. 

1109
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:43,080
Yeah, there's a bit as well. 
Strikes me as kind of like 

1110
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,440
Sellers and Milligan riffing off
each other. 

1111
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,760
It's on the boat and that 
Sellers doing is corn Cornish 

1112
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,160
voice Cornish. 
Or is that is or is it? 

1113
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,840
Is Bernard Miles set? 
Yeah, well, it's burned at Miles

1114
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,480
voice basically, or Swede or 
whatever, whatever you want to 

1115
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,640
call it. 
But he's he's a crew member 

1116
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,920
who's shouting orders to another
crew member who's off Mike and 

1117
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,720
it's Spike. 
Kevin Stench heave 2 now you'd 

1118
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,200
better heave 3 to be on the safe
side. 

1119
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,240
There's starboard side and 
portside, but there's no safe 

1120
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:18,680
side. 
Sir, don't argue. 

1121
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,200
It's drifting off. 
Hurry, Scrawn, screw the 

1122
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:31,680
scrutiny spawn pure the mizzen 
iron crungle the wacktop Ranger,

1123
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:44,880
crage the lager and worked all 
the carnabin Nile quirrles, the 

1124
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,000
trunker yard, all miles the Moby
batten the hearts and Turlock 

1125
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:55,280
kneel. 
I don't know how he does it, but

1126
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,880
he's all a soul willing, you 
know? 

1127
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,680
This goon show isn't on BBC 
Sounds the regular rotation I 

1128
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,200
noticed. 
No. 

1129
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,560
And yeah, it's because it could 
confuse people, perhaps. 

1130
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,240
I don't know. 
I don't know. 

1131
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,319
I think it's probably because 
it's not. 

1132
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,200
If it's not associated with a 
particular series, if it doesn't

1133
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,600
have a running number, then they
find it difficult to to 

1134
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,640
shoehorner in. 
Maybe. 

1135
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,319
Yeah. 
Oh, and they refer to Lord 

1136
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:28,960
Benteen, did you know? 
Yes. 

1137
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,200
Yes, he reads the list of things
that have gone in the the time 

1138
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,359
capsule, doesn't he? 
Yeah. 

1139
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:40,439
And I believe more or less these
are what went in the. 

1140
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,359
So there's not it's not even 
like a comedy list like Milligan

1141
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,520
enjoyed doing, like in the, you 
know, the international 

1142
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,080
Christmas pudding and shows like
that where series of 

1143
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,800
increasingly more bizarre 
articles because it's like 

1144
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,120
things like. 
Well, it says that it starts off

1145
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,600
with standard foot and pound, 
which sounds a bit weird, but up

1146
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,160
until very recently, there's 
been the definitive kilogram 

1147
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,399
held in Paris, hasn't there? 
And it's now, I think it's now 

1148
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,720
based on, I think it's now based
on a scientific concept rather 

1149
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,800
than a physical thing now. 
But yes, that seems quite 

1150
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,359
there's kind of some or we're 
not without without realizing 

1151
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:25,120
that's actually what's in there 
that kind of had some meaning to

1152
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,720
it, I think. 
So, yeah, because, because 

1153
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,200
there's also there's like the in
the list, there's Empress of 

1154
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,439
India Rupee, a parchment copy of
Doctor Burch's translation of 

1155
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:40,760
the obelisks, Hieroglyphic 
hieroglyphics, Portrait of Queen

1156
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,040
Victoria, which does sound kind 
of goonish, but apparently true.

1157
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,840
Yes. 
Well, it's, it's, it's a 

1158
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,160
substitute for cigarette or 
cigar times, isn't it? 

1159
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,840
Yes. 
That's right, Bradshaw's railway

1160
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,760
guide. 
Mappin's sculling razor, which 

1161
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,920
is the Mappin brothers made like
the early Gillette, I suppose. 

1162
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,160
Box of hairpins and ladies 
ornaments. 

1163
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,280
A hydraulic Jack that was used 
for raising the obelisk. 

1164
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,520
Map of London, Photographs of 
photographs of one dozen pretty 

1165
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,040
English women. 
Whitaker, Zolmanak and a copy of

1166
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,960
the Times. 
The day the obelisk was set up. 

1167
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,680
Because that that that sounds 
entirely legitimate. 

1168
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,120
Particularly the copy of the 
Times. 

1169
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,120
Yes, yeah, it's just as I say, 
Yeah. 

1170
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,400
Interesting that Spike decided 
to more or less play it straight

1171
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,120
that. 
Yes, because he, he, he was 

1172
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,920
obviously very, he was a student
of history, wasn't he? 

1173
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,080
Yes. 
I think he enjoyed the classics 

1174
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,400
and he was, I think he was all 
he was nostalgic for a time he 

1175
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:38,720
didn't live in. 
I think so. 

1176
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. 
OK. 

1177
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,560
So is there anything I know you 
know as always backwards and 

1178
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,440
forwards there, but is there 
anything that we haven't 

1179
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:55,240
mentioned you want to raise now?
One of the something, a 

1180
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:01,560
curiosity where bowels gets 
captured by a what was it a 

1181
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,680
hostile Bedouin tribe? 
Anything. 

1182
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,280
Well, so has he gone on? 
Has he gone on by land because 

1183
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:14,440
the the obelisk has gone by C 
has has gone by C and there is a

1184
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:17,360
fantastic long you said, and we 
have to we'll follow one week 

1185
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,400
later. 
We have to break camp smash 

1186
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,040
crockery and her elephants that 
accused me. 

1187
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:27,800
That was very good. 
And also I noticed that the 

1188
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,160
original ransom that's asked for
him is 30,000 lbs, which 

1189
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,120
Gladstone thinks is good value 
for an Englishman. 

1190
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,280
But when Bluebottle hands it 
over, it's 20,000 lbs. 

1191
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:41,560
So. 
So who's pocketed that? 

1192
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,960
Or if they negotiated. 
Shaved blood, not shaved 10 

1193
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,920
grand off it. 
Well, maybe Blade Bottle's got 

1194
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,360
more side to him than we 
sometimes think. 

1195
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:56,680
Maybe a fascinating curiosity? 
Absolutely. 

1196
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,920
And I, I, I still really enjoy, 
I really enjoyed listening to it

1197
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,080
again. 
So I was pleased to have a good 

1198
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,160
reason to do. 
It. 

1199
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Yeah, absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

1200
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,360
OK, Phil. 
Well, thank you very much for 

1201
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,840
for, for joining me today. 
Well. 

1202
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,440
Thank you for asking me, it's 
been I've I've really enjoyed 

1203
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:18,200
it. 
I'll I'll just say as well, I've

1204
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,640
kind of got out of the habit of 
doing it. 

1205
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,360
I must start doing it again, 
which I will do now. 

1206
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,560
Giving a plug to the Goonshoe 
Preservation Society, the GSPS. 

1207
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,040
Please join if you are not 
already a member. 

1208
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:36,240
It is very cheap to do so and 
you get 4 glossy full colour 

1209
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,600
Goon show news magazines every 
year. 

1210
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,080
Values. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1211
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,160
I've I've, I've subscribed 
having started listening to 

1212
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,320
this. 
So I think you might have given 

1213
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,000
their membership numbers a bit 
of a flip. 

1214
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,920
Yeah, I was in it as well last. 
Last issue you were, Yeah, it 

1215
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,360
was your illustrations too. 
Yeah. 

1216
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,240
And and also there's a book 
they've published, a book 

1217
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:02,120
they've put cobbled together 
that sort of does a deserve of 

1218
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:03,320
saying cobbled. 
But, you know, they've put 

1219
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:08,480
together some of the team of the
GSPS have put together a, an 

1220
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:15,280
actual book of articles from the
GSPS newsletter, Stroke 

1221
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,360
magazine, you know, stretching 
all the way back from when it 

1222
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:23,520
began in 1972. 
So it's a it's a, it's a sizable

1223
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,120
paperback book just with it's 
just got loads and loads and 

1224
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:32,800
loads of, you know, reprinted 
articles and just stuff that's 

1225
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:37,000
related to the goons, which, you
know, goon fans would find very 

1226
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,280
interesting and enjoyable. 
And you can order that on 

1227
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,120
Amazon. 
I think it's just called Goon 

1228
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,560
Show news if you search for 
that. 

1229
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,280
And I, although I didn't realize
some of my because I used to do 

1230
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,480
the odd cartoon for it back in 
the early 90s and a few of those

1231
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,640
are reproduced. 
And there, there you go. 

1232
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,480
So Phil. 
Yeah, great, great having you 

1233
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,080
on, great talk. 
And we will definitely talk 

1234
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,400
again. 
Excellent. 

1235
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,120
Thank you very much.