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Mass past this unfortunate news 
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here. 
Who is it? 

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It's me, Birdie. 
It's Gladstone. 

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I have some bad news for you. 
It's not another student's rag, 

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is it? 
After that thing they put on my 

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head last year. 
It's worse than that. 

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Next, Seagon is going to do away
with the fog. 

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The naughty Manny naughty. 
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fog, we won't be able to see 
each other again. 

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Well, we never see each other in
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But I'd never be able to come 
over here and not see you, dear.

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Dear, dear Gladstone. 
Yes, buddy Woody, the fog's 

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lifting. 
You're right. 

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Mercy saving, how am I going to 
get back? 

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I could run you around in the 
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Hello and welcome to Goon Pod. 
My name is Tyler Adams and I 

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fear my guest this week and I 
are going to come to blows. 

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I wonder why? 
I wonder why that might be. 

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Let me let me bring him in. 
It's it's a returning guest, 

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James Page. 
Hello, James. 

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Hello. 
I'm nervous now. 

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I'm nervous. 
I'm not a violent man. 

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I imagine you're more of a 
pacifist. 

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You're more of a lover than a 
fighter, James. 

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I'm a terrible lover and a 
fighter. 

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I'm neither. 
Oh. 

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Which is more of a gardener kind
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We're a forest, yeah. 
I I've got a bit of a problem 

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with the topic of today's 
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Yeah, It's obviously something 
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So I think, I think there's 
going to be some some friction. 

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Is it blood on the carpet? 
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before we get, before we get to 
the unpleasantness, Yes. 

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So, James, thank you for coming 
back. 

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Thank you for having me, it's 
great to be here. 

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And it must be all of what, 18 
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Yes. 
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How things have changed. 
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This is now Goon Pod in colour. 
It is. 

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It's. 
Beautiful C0L 0R So James, what 

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are you up to these days? 
I saw the radio on the 

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magnificent Black Cat Radio. 
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Cambridgeshire and every week 
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Nobody's found me out. 
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playing the most amazing 
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brilliant new music as well. 
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and just an absolute pleasure to
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just playing songs that I love 
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enjoying them. 
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most amazing feedback from 
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song. 
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wonderful. 
So yeah. 

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Black Cat Radio, Tuesday nights,
8 till 10. 

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And what what? 
What sort of tunes? 

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CH0, 0NS That's it. 
What? 

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What sort of tunes do you 
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Oh, right now I'm playing some 
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There was an artist called Anna 
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the moment. 
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based in Berlin. 
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I think, album called Botanical 
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wonderful kind of wonky guitar 
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She makes songs about subjects 
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to a spa and somebody telling 
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swimsuit, and songs about 
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for a Botanical Garden. 
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Yeah. 
Interesting. 

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I think you'd enjoy her. 
She is wonderful. 

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around at the moment. 
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with Beatfoot who have just 
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Stay, you know, stay with the 
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with DS, obviously, again, a 
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tune. 
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there to to play and TuneIn some
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You might find your new favorite
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stopped some LP's. 
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into the Brit pop scene. 
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I was one of the foot soldiers 
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Shall they, shall they say? 
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record shop around the the end 
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don't know what it was. 
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last quarter of a century, I, I 
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now where I look at every new 
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compilation with dread because 
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look at it, there are going to 
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recognized more and more names 
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away. 
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different direction, listening 
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Europe and the world instead, 
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that way instead. 
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the top ten anymore. 
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And I'm going to go and listen 
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instead. 
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that I'm a Yeah, I'm a, I'm a, 
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at least 21st century music. 
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know, don't bother with the 
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charts. 
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charts, really? 
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when I was. 
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you've got paused over? 
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Really, it was much more of an 
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OK, but. 
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much new, you know, you, I know 
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than ever and, and and just have
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stuff to find the the gold. 
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do this is this is a you weren't
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If you could, if you could have 
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me. 
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back to me at some point over 
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tracks that you think you 
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contemporary artists. 
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might like that might help me to
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water of modern music. 
I'll see what I can do. 

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show on the the station asked me
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the week that they could play 
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was like, oh, thanks very much. 
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play it every day. 
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singer-songwriter who's just 
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and I picked a track of hers. 
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the first time. 
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that I play is very kind of, I 
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describe it is. 
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And the the first person to play
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track said this is our new 
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James Page. 
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go top five this week. 
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Say that at. 
All No, it's going to go on Kiss

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of death. 
Everything I like is the kiss of

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death. 
It's going in nowhere. 

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So now every time I pick a song,
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but they're going to say this is
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If, if, if James does send me a 
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these tracks if they're 
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will report back my thoughts 
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You, you you've come on to talk 
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Last time it was the jet 
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stone cold classic. 
This this one is less so I would

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say, and it's it's it's one from
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It's it's right smack bang in 
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broadcast 21st of December 1954.
So technically, it was almost 

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the Goon's Christmas episode. 
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And it is the episode called 
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It was recorded the same night. 
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was recorded the same night as 
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maybe about six months ago. 
Yeah, and that was a Christmas 

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But before we come to Forog, a 
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We've had a couple of handful of
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Apple Podcasts, our podcast at 
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Dedica Uno hora Emitia marvelosa
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De Stanley Kubrick una de le 
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noveles rile tats Conte de 
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don't know what the hell all 
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Catalan, right? 
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Devotes a wonderful hour and a 
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Stanley Kubrick's Lolita 1962. 
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in the seminar novels realities,
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violence and desire. 
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That's it. 
You're you're there. 

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You've made it. 
Yeah, you're official. 

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And then we've got a slightly 
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it's the the title is the The 
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And it says for anyone out there
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the Marx Brothers Council 
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diabolically hilarious comedy 
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This is it, this one here. 
Go no further, Messieurs. 

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Madame's Memmazals. 
This is the thing that Tyler is 

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professional, intelligent, says,
stays on topic really, and knows

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how to land some pretty 
impressive guests. 

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There you go, James. 
Hello. 

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Never mind the frequent 
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mostly stay squarely focused on 
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and Zeppo, or, as we know them 
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Harry Pizza and Wallace 
Greenslate and Michael Bentin. 

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Don't forget Michael, the 
historical dives are deep enough

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to satisfy the intellect and the
nostalgic pangs, yet the subject

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be plumbed, EG the mysterious 
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The enigmatic Maestro Stott and 
his orchestra along with his 

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frequent collaborations with the
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The emergence and evolution of 
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characters. 
Their dual existence as both the

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motley crew of post war 
caricatures and as amateur 

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actors in whatever story they 
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week. 
There are just enough clips to 

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whip the appetite. 
And with all the extent goon 

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shows now easily accessible 
online, there has never been a 

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better time to tuck in. 
And that is from the wonderful 

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Leo Orientis from Canada. 
So Leo, thank you. 

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because it it very much focuses 
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shows on Goon pod and and of 
course we don't just cover good 

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shoes, we cover a whole host of 
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But but yeah, that I thought 
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encapsulation of what I've been 
trying to do. 

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there, but I do appreciate it. 
Thanks so, and also Leo has just

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put to shame every single review
I've ever written for anything. 

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Ever. 
That was amazing, wasn't it? 

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It wasn't it. 
Did you do? 

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EBay, I mean, I don't think Leo 
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plus plus wonderful. 
Wow. 

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This week, the goons present a 
science fiction Fantasia in a 

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cunning attempt to take the 
place of the horror comics. 

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This masterpiece of mediocrity 
is entitled. 

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OK, so let's let's get on to the
the the topic proper this week 

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and it is for Ogg or for Ogg for
OG foreign fog. 

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Foreign fog, Yeah, Yeah. 
And it is written by. 

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Here's the thing, it's written 
by. 

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It's credited to Eric Sykes and 
Spike Milligan. 

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And when the order is Eric 
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Eric's the chief writer. 
That week, OK. 

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And I it to to me it sticks out 
a mile that this is an Eric 

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script and not a Spike script. 
But well, let me ask you what, 

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what was the reason that chiefly
that you chose this show? 

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I think there's many reasons it 
contains a couple of my favorite

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ever goon show jokes for a 
start, which I'm sure we'll get 

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to in a while. 
It's it's one of my favorite 

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types of goon show, which is 
those that are sets in the 

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present day. 
I love that they kind of work as

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a little time capsule of what 
was going on in in well, in this

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case in 1954. 
I love that kind of you got an 

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idea of what life was like back 
then just through this. 

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And I think my main reason is I 
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quite, I don't know, sinister is
the right word. 

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The story gets a bit dark, but 
it's such a beautiful story. 

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The, the idea behind it, I think
is just wonderful. 

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The whole idea of statues coming
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every time it gets foggy. 
I just think it's, it's just 

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beautiful. 
It's just such a lovely idea, 

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but of course the story gets 
very twisted as well. 

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It's. 
Quite dark at the end. 

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I would I would suggest it's the
darkest ending to a Goon show 

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ever. 
Yes, yeah, I think so. 

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I think it's definitely, it's 
quite a spike ending I think. 

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Maybe, maybe I don't know and 
listeners who are familiar with 

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for OG will will be familiar 
with with with the premise. 

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There was a tendency in series 5
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would be provided with a 
synopsis of the show. 

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Yes, about that. 
Yeah, So you've seen that, have 

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you? 
Yes, it scared the life out of 

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me. 
Where were you on the genome? 

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Yes, I was listening to an 
episode a few weeks ago. 

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It was Andy Bell's episode about
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he mentioned looking up the 
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Genome and I thought that's a 
good idea. 

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I love Genome. 
I'll go and have a look and and 

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see what it said. 
And I had a panic attack. 

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Basically. 
You very nearly had a very 

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panicky DM from me. 
It's like Tyler, I think I've 

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made a terrible mistake. 
Are we listening to the same 

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episode here? 
Well, that's it. 

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Because I guess I'm guessing 
it's generally Spike that would 

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write these synopses. 
This certainly doesn't read like

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Eric has written it. 
It's hard to. 

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It's hard for me to kind of make
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difference between Eric's 
writer, Eric's style of comedy 

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and Spikes. 
But but there is a clear 

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distinction. 
But no, these synopsis and the 

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fifth series and into the early 
6th series, very often they'd 

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been passing resemblance to the 
show that week. 

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That was just, it was just Spike
kind of extemporizing, really. 

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I'd love to know what's going on
there, whether he kind of, maybe

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this was the story we had in 
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actually, let's go, let's go 
this way instead, let's try 

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something else between though 
that that and broadcast. 

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Well, let's see. 
I mean the the synopsis in the 

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Radio Times, and I'm really 
actually from the I'm assuming 

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it's the same one because 
generally that would be what was

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on the the synopsis on the front
of the script of the show. 

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Yeah. 
So I've got the the front of 

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this one of the scripts here and
the synopsis reads. 

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Young Ned Seagoon, walking the 
streets of London during a 

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particularly thick peace Super, 
accidentally knocks over a Miss 

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Selena Clutch. 
Her strange behavior mystifies 

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young Neddy until a chance 
meeting with Doctor Rheingold 

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Penut puts him on the track of 
an underground terrorist 

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organization led by the reckless
overcoat Charlie, intent on 

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wrecking the capital's 
commercial life by blanketing 

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London with an artificial 
foreign fog that makes people 

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think nothing but the best of 
each other. 

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Professor Cronus called in by 
the government to find an 

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antidote to Forag, but not 
before Professor Moriartian 

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commercial attache Grip Pipe 
Thin nearly succeeded, bringing 

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London life to a standstill. 
And then we have the cast 

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listing here, the usual that you
would expect. 

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But then we have we have 
characters such as Quagmire Vest

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by Spike Milligan, Inspector 
Thud, Harry Secum and and Farrog

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itself. 
Yes, Mr. Pogson plays. 

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Farrog right now Did Have you 
ever heard of Pogson? 

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Someone called Pogson. 
I haven't. 

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No. 
Poggy Pogson, saxophonist. 

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The most thought orchestra. 
I wondered if that was because, 

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yes, the Farrog in in the 
episode is portrayed by this 

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fantastic saxophone. 
Kind of. 

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Absolutely. 
Solo. 

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Yeah, I mean the actual episode.
As it turns out, it bears very 

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slight resemblance to that 
synopsis. 

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Yeah, I think the first line is 
pretty much, you know, if Ned 

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goes into some fog and then 
that's it. 

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That's that's where that 
synopsis ends and the story 

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actually begins. 
That's it. 

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Now where did you listen to 
this? 

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Have you got it on CD? 
What? 

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What? 
What? 

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How have you? 
Have you listened to this? 

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Well, years and years ago, there
used to be this fantastic online

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radio station called Goon Show 
Radio, and it was just one goon 

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show after another. 
They played out, I think it was 

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in a random order as well, just 
like constant Goon show. 

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And it was just wonderful to 
have on, you know, whenever I 

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was in the kitchen and I I've 
got like, it's fantastic 

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Internet radio. 
You can listen to any kind of 

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station in the world. 
You can listen to music from 

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you, from Africa, America, and, 
you know, any content you like. 

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And I always stick on the Goon 
Show. 

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That's it. 
Listen to those over and over 

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again. 
And this episode, it came on one

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Sunday afternoon and it was 
just, it was wonderful. 

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I I love the story. 
And I think my wife was in the 

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next room. 
I don't know whether she was 

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hungover or something, but I 
heard this voice saying, is it 

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true? 
Does this happen that the 

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statues come down? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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That's it, actually, a bit worse
for wear over something. 

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But I just thought, like I say, 
it was such a beautiful story. 

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I love the idea of the statues 
coming to life in the fog and 

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just wandering around London. 
And it's stuck with me ever 

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since. 
And like I say, there's a couple

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of my favorite jokes in there as
well. 

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OK, well, yeah, it it was 
inspired by what at the time was

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being called horror comics, 
these imports of American, 

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mostly sort of trashy American 
comic books. 

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And as I mentioned before, I 
think it's very heavily Eric 

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Sykes script. 
This there's it's more certainly

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a beginning. 
There's certainly a beginning, a

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middle, and an end. 
Yes, OK. 

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It's more structured. 
It's more, I would want to say 

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it's more like, with exceptions,
of course, it's more like a 

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traditional radio comedy show 
almost. 

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And I'm going to reinforce my 
point by saying that, well, Eric

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never took the credit for it as 
being the major writer. 

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OK, so he never said he wasn't, 
but he never, he never, he never

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singled out for all because he 
was, he was asked once and I 

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think in the 80s or 90s he was 
interviewed and by the GSPS and 

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he was asked, you know, which 
shows from Series 5 can you 

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specifically single out as being
chiefly written by you and not 

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Spike? 
And there was maybe I think it 

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was 567 of them, maybe more the 
likes of Logie Strikes Britain 

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from memory and under 2 
floorboards which was the bow 

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jest, pastiche and and I think 
the Spanish suitcase as well. 

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Possible. 
I'm not sure, but he didn't 

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mention Furog. 
However, in December 1952, so 

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exactly 2 years prior to this 
this show going out, there was 

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an episode of the radio show 
Educating Archie, which had a 

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storyline featuring statues that
come to life. 

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No, really. 
And one of the writers on that 

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was Eric Sykes. 
Yeah. 

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And it does have, it does have 
more sort of traditional gags, 

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not necessarily Milliganesque 
gags. 

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I feel Peter Eaton, who's the 
producer at this time. 

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And I guess he was the the 
greatest producer the Goons ever

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had really just in terms of just
in terms of the discipline he 

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brought to it. 
And, and and and that he he was 

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always fighting for them as well
behind the scenes. 

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But he he was interviewed in the
70s and he actually said of 

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Eric's scripts whenever Eric, 
when you know, Eric was was due 

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to deliver a script a piece of 
Eason later said, I used to 

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dread his weeks. 
Really. 

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It was clever and amusing, but 
it wasn't the Goon Show. 

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Oh, that's interesting. 
Yeah, and I also want to say I 

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feel that Spike is quite subdued
throughout the show. 

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That's. 
Interesting, yes. 

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Do you? 
Do you? 

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Do you, I think. 
Yeah, it's interesting. 

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One thing I've noticed is 
there's a lot of, because Spike 

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is pretty constant in this 
episode as kind of as Ned's 

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assistant. 
He's there playing, playing 

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echoes as himself. 
Yeah. 

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And he it's weird. 
He, he doesn't sound like normal

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echoes. 
He does a lot of thing. 

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He does a lot of making a joke 
and then laughing at it, which 

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isn't a very spiked thing to do.
I think He he sometimes he'll, 

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he'll make a joke and, you know,
the audience will laugh. 

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This does a lot. 
He does a lot of making a joke 

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and then laughing straight 
afterwards. 

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I don't know whether that's yeah
nerves, do you think or. 

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Maybe, and also also, and I know
it's in the script, but Echoes, 

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this is probably the most lucid 
that Echoes has ever been in the

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Goon show, just in terms of he's
making little asides to the 

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audience when he realizes that 
another character in this is a 

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bit mad. 
Yeah. 

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He's him being the mad one, 
yeah. 

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Yeah, he's like the narrator 
kind of thing. 

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Almost. 
Yes. 

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And you've got, you've got this 
sort of running thing with Spike

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in his normal, in his more or 
less his normal voice. 

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Yeah. 
Sort of. 

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Commenting on what's going on 
during the show, yes. 

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Happens every day in London, 
yes. 

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Yes, and Ned saying was. 
It Let's watch these things. 

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Yes, Ned saying. 
I went out for a breath of fresh

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air and let him go. 
Yes, this happens every day, 

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Nana. 
You you will have heard the 

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transcription services issue of 
Borog, which is edited from the 

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original broadcast vision. 
OK. 

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So there's a whole chunk of the 
first couple of minutes of the 

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Goon show. 
There's a whole chunk of the 

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original broadcast that had been
cut out it. 

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Was there? 
Yeah, so the original opening of

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this show has Peter as Gilbert 
Harding all. 

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Right. 
Sort of having a bit of an 

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argument with or disagreement 
with Greenslade, shall we say, 

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in the script. 
Actually, it was written for 

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Peter to play Blood Knock, 
having the argument, having the 

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00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,320
disagreement. 
But no, then I don't know what, 

450
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,040
what, what reason Sellers 
decided to do Gilbert Harding? 

451
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,640
Are you aware of Gilbert 
Harding? 

452
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,800
I'm not, I must admit. 
OK, so he was a a personality at

453
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,160
the time. 
He was a a radio television 

454
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,560
personality and he was dubbed at
the rudest man in Britain, 

455
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,040
right? 
Everyone in the in the 50s would

456
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,640
know Gilbert Harding. 
This is the BBC Home Service. 

457
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,480
So don't come whining to me 
about it. 

458
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,840
Don't you enunciate properly. 
You come bouncing on here like a

459
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,160
paid up member with a rolled 
umbrella on your arm and the 

460
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,160
Radio Times in your pocket and 
you babbling coherently. 

461
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,920
Now look. 
Here, nothing better to offer 

462
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480
than the BBC Home Service. 
You keep a civil tongue in your 

463
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,680
head. 
Mr. Harding, rudeness will get 

464
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,440
you nowhere. 
Have you seen my Rolls Royce? 

465
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,240
What's the matter with you, 
Green Slade? 

466
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,440
Don't stand there like an 
animated gargoyle. 

467
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,920
Get on with your overpaid job. 
Well, I be wit if you're 

468
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,160
incompetent, we'd all be faded 
out. 

469
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,400
To all of those Green Slate fans
who've just phoned up to 

470
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,120
protest, thank you. 
But don't forget, lick at his 

471
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,280
niche and dump the joy, whatever
they say. 

472
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:17,440
Oh, what is the boy? 
Yahoo Now here are the 

473
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560
programmes for tonight. 
The wretched man was about to 

474
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:30,160
refer to the highly ignored. 
But yeah, so I mean, OK, So what

475
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,240
what there's throughout 
throughout the show, there's 

476
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,760
there's bits that have been cut 
out that you won't have heard 

477
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,240
and also bits in the script that
were never even never recorded 

478
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720
or were recorded and never 
actually broadcast. 

479
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,840
OK, there's an extended 
sequence, Neddy and Blood Knock.

480
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,440
There's there's there's quite a 
bit actually. 

481
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,880
But what? 
OK, you said there's there's a 

482
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,200
couple of jokes and things like 
that that you particularly love.

483
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:56,600
What? 
What? 

484
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,200
What are they? 
Well. 

485
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,800
The first one is right near the 
beginning when Ned's walking 

486
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,080
through the fog and he bumps 
into, well, Mini, but not named 

487
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,600
him Mini Banister, but it's her 
voice basically bumps into her 

488
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560
and she spends about minutes 
making all kinds of bewildered 

489
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:16,760
shocks and noises and then says 
Ned said just explained that he 

490
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,240
is leading London. 
He's walking through the 

491
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960
streets, walking in front of 
himself with a flag blazing 

492
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,880
torch and there's traffic in his
wake. 

493
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,320
Strange how men follow a leader 
and then yes, bumps into her 

494
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,280
are. 
You all right, Madam? 

495
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,920
You should know. 
Madam, perhaps I can direct you 

496
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,440
somewhere. 
I'd better direct you, Sir. 

497
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Me. 
You direct me. 

498
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,960
That's rich. 
Me, that's rich. 

499
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,280
That is me. 
The guy's half London. 

500
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,960
What makes you think I'm lost? 
You're in my kitchen. 

501
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,520
I took it just a joyous joke. 
It's glorious. 

502
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,520
That's that's actually quite, 
that's the that's a Spike joke. 

503
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,520
Yeah, yeah. 
One of those, one of those 

504
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,640
jokes, it needs to be on the 
radio. 

505
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,600
It's just, it will never work 
anywhere else. 

506
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,560
I love that. 
Here's the thing. 

507
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,800
Because because it's it's 
clearly Minnie Bannister. 

508
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,000
She turns up a bit later as one 
of the statues. 

509
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,440
That's it. 
It's an interesting episode, 

510
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,840
isn't it? 
Because there's not many of the 

511
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,040
actual main characters in it, 
but they are all there just as 

512
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,280
other people. 
Blue bottle, I mean blue. 

513
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,760
We get Blue Bottle quite early 
on. 

514
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,800
Yeah, we get a bit of Blue 
Bottle as himself, and then he 

515
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,200
pops up again as Eros. 
Eros and I thought certainly 

516
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,040
when he, when he first turns up 
in the fog, when when Neddy 

517
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,320
bumps into him, he sounds a bit 
more, I don't know, maybe 

518
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,680
Sellers had a cold or something,
but he sounds a bit more like an

519
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,160
adolescent. 
Yeah, but it sounds as he sounds

520
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,360
slightly older than Blue Bottle 
tended to do. 

521
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Yeah. 
Also a bit low energy. 

522
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,680
They. 
Were they were all a bit low 

523
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,040
energy and this this was 
recorded before ye Bandit of 

524
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Sherwood Forest. 
OK. 

525
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,080
So it wasn't like they were 
tired or anything. 

526
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,520
No, I was going to say, is it a 
kind of a mid series thing, do 

527
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,040
you think? 
They were kind of flagging a 

528
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
bit, but no, because the, yeah, 
as you say, the Sherwood Forest 

529
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,840
episode is very high energy, I'd
say, and they're having a great 

530
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080
time. 
Yeah, again, Spike can't help 

531
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,680
but make a little dig, whether 
it's Spike wrote this or Eric 

532
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,440
wrote this. 
But in in in the bit where the 

533
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,640
bus is following Neddy because 
he's got his braces around the 

534
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,320
radiator cap and and Neddy says,
bless my soul, you're right. 

535
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,880
I thought it was warm. 
A hint. 

536
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,320
A hint of me. 
Yes. 

537
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,480
Have you ever heard of the word 
a hint? 

538
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,720
Only when I heard this episode 
never before. 

539
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,560
Yeah, and Spike, just comments 
aside, we're not allowed to say 

540
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,000
behind. 
What all that was all about. 

541
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:34,920
I think that's just a dig at the
BBC. 

542
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,040
You're not allowed to say 
behind. 

543
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,680
You're not allowed to imply the 
backside or the bottom or the 

544
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,920
rear. 
Cast the spots. 

545
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,560
Stop following me, I tell you. 
I'm going home, I said. 

546
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Brother, stop following me. 
I. 

547
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,880
Can't help but you got your 
braces around the radiator. 

548
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Bless my soul. 
You're right. 

549
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,360
I thought it was warm. 
I hinted me. 

550
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,480
We're not allowed to say it 
behind. 

551
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Must be that, remember that 
Kenny Everett joke where you 

552
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,720
know the amazing things that 
Kenny Everett could do with with

553
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,720
sound and recording and 
overlaying himself. 

554
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,360
And there was a great clip of 
him saying, I think he he said 

555
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,480
the word bum. 
And oh, hang on a second, Can I 

556
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
say bum on the radio? 
And a voice him again says, I 

557
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,520
don't know, let me just check. 
Can he say bum on the radio? 

558
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,320
I'm not sure actually. 
Hang on a second. 

559
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,080
Can he say bum on the radio 
comes off about eight or nine 

560
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,920
different layers? 
Oh, dear old Kelly. 

561
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Yes, I've never heard a hint, 
but I'm going to start using it 

562
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,800
now I think. 
Yes. 

563
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,880
So the sequence with the 
statues. 

564
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Yeah. 
This is where I had a problem. 

565
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,200
Oh, you enjoy this bit? 
And I don't really. 

566
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,080
I just find it. 
I don't know, I it doesn't feel 

567
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,400
right to me. 
Oh it it seems, it feels, it 

568
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,240
feels too silly, even though 
it's a goon show for me, it's 

569
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,560
the wrong kind of silly. 
I think listeners write in if 

570
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,400
you agree or disagree. 
You've got Croatian, the statue 

571
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,280
of Nelson, who is ostensibly 
grip pipe thin, Yes, and you've 

572
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,000
got you said Blue bottle of 
Xeros and Minnie as Bodus here 

573
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,440
and Cron as Gladstone. 
Gron as Gladstone, yes. 

574
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,480
And Harry, well, sort of that 
very northern sea goon. 

575
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,800
I think that. 
Characters. 

576
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,480
Yeah, I think that characters 
normally referred to as Fred 

577
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,000
Bog, I think. 
Yes. 

578
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,560
So what I'm going to do, I'm 
going to just give a, a 

579
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,200
relatively quick synopsis of the
show, OK, Because it will help 

580
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,280
us. 
It will sort of anchor us a 

581
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,440
little bit here. 
So Ned, Ned is, is going for a 

582
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,800
walk in the thick London fog, 
the beginning of the show. 

583
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,160
And he gets lost and he, as you 
say, ends up in Mini Banister's 

584
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080
kitchen. 
And then he encounters Blue 

585
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Bottle, who asked directions to 
the BBC but ends up falling in 

586
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,360
the water due to the fog. 
And thankfully Little Jim has 

587
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,440
yet to be introduced to the 
show. 

588
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,200
So we don't get that appalling 
catch phrase. 

589
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
OK, oh, it's maybe a bigger 
house. 

590
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,520
Do you like little Jim? 
I I used to. 

591
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,320
I used to. 
I think I'm on your camp now. 

592
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,200
I think, yeah. 
When I was when I was at school,

593
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,600
I remember I had a teacher who 
talked about that a lot and when

594
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,320
it so when it actually read it 
in one of the Goon show scripts,

595
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,600
like, oh, that's what he's 
talking about. 

596
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Brilliant. 
He was like, hey, he said the 

597
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200
thing. 
But yeah, these days it's kind 

598
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,440
of yeah, OK, yeah. 
When they when they included it 

599
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,960
in the last Goon show of all, I 
was like. 

600
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Oh, it was so heavily trailed. 
Wasn't that a lot like it's 

601
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,960
coming, it's coming, it's 
coming, here it is, here it is. 

602
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,080
He did the line and then they 
all hugged each other like no, 

603
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,960
no, had to get it in, folks had 
to get it in. 

604
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,840
No, you didn't. 
You didn't. 

605
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Princess Anne beaming in the 
audience. 

606
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,520
It sounds like I'm really down 
on the goon show. 

607
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440
I'm sorry, I don't know what 
it's just this this particular 

608
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,920
show I'm I'm a little bit down 
on and and I guess it's it's 

609
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,200
it's making me bitter and 
twisted and I apologize 

610
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,520
listeners, but I'm I'm enjoying 
talking to you about it. 

611
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680
Don't get me wrong, I was. 
Going to say I feel bad now I 

612
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,360
brought you down. 
Not at all. 

613
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,720
So, So, yeah, as, as, as we said
before, a bus follows Neddy home

614
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,480
because he's got his braces 
around the radiator. 

615
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000
He's lost again. 
And he ends, he somehow ends up 

616
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,960
at #10 instead of his his his 
home in Brixton. 

617
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,720
Yes, and the Butler answers the 
door. 

618
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,960
The Butler, which is gravely 
headstone. 

619
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Oh, yes, OK. 
Which, that's his name in the 

620
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,480
script. 
I don't think he's referred to 

621
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,360
as as such in the show. 
And Gravy Headstone was a name. 

622
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880
It was a Larry Stevens 
character. 

623
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,480
Yeah. 
So that's sort of a hangover 

624
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
from because Larry didn't write 
for. 

625
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,680
Well, Larry didn't officially 
write for Series 5. 

626
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,800
He helped Spike a little bit at 
the beginning of the series, but

627
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960
wasn't credited. 
But his, you know, his, his 

628
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,360
influence is, is still very 
keenly felt, obviously. 

629
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,080
Yeah. 
And there's here's the thing. 

630
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,280
So. 
So Ned turns up at #10 and 

631
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,720
Headstone let's them in. 
And Ned, it's nice line. 

632
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,239
Then Ned, he says, my Butler let
me in, which was strange. 

633
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,920
I hadn't got one. 
It's a bit where there's a bit 

634
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,159
where he says this is a bit 
where, you know, I don't 

635
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:18,880
understand. 
It's it's a reference lost to 

636
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,040
time. 
He says I must be in the wrong 

637
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,920
house and and Headstone says 
good as long as I'm all right. 

638
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,239
And then Ned says it's 
extraordinary. 

639
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,239
But I can't find my way, Jack. 
Yeah, and that gets a massive 

640
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,320
laugh. 
Yeah. 

641
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,159
And that confused me because I 
was going to, I was wondering, 

642
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,960
is that a kind of an in joke? 
Because Peter Sellers was in the

643
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,199
film. 
I'm all right, Jack. 

644
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,760
But no, because that didn't come
up until 1959. 

645
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,400
That's right. 
Yeah, that's later now. 

646
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,159
Yeah, I'm, I'm wondering, I 
don't know, it's, it was 

647
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,800
obviously a reference to some 
contemporary television show or 

648
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,000
radio show or, or somebody in 
the news or, or whatever it may 

649
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,480
be. 
Or maybe it was just something 

650
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,560
that people used to say. 
I can't find the way, Jack, I 

651
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,000
don't know. 
But the audience seemed, the 

652
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160
audience seemed to be 
particularly pick up on that, 

653
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:04,640
didn't they? 
That's. 

654
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,400
It Yeah. 
And it's obviously it's a bit 

655
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,040
you'll be. 
What tends to happen, James, is 

656
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,320
that I record these and then 
people message me and we go out 

657
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480
and say it was so obvious what 
that was. 

658
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,760
OK, You know what I mean. 
You hope so. 

659
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,920
Absolutely imbecile. 
How could you not have picked up

660
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,600
on what that was? 
But that's what, Yeah. 

661
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,960
So, so if anyone can can shine 
any light on on who Jack is in 

662
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,760
the in this context that that 
would be great. 

663
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,640
Oh, I'm terribly sorry, I must 
be in the wrong house. 

664
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,320
Good, so long as I'm all right. 
It's extraordinary, but I can't 

665
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,240
find my way, Jack. 
Don't worry Sir, you'll go home 

666
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,120
and have a good rest. 
And somehow or other, I don't 

667
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,280
know how, it's just a civilian, 
but somehow he manages to to 

668
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,600
invade themselves into a special
sitting of parliament. 

669
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Yeah, from under the benches it 
just pops up. 

670
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,960
Yeah, which it's been called to,
to determine what to do about 

671
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:00,840
the fog. 
Yeah. 

672
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,840
And I'm wondering as well 
whether this was influenced at 

673
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,800
all. 
I know that fog was bad in 

674
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,200
London around this time, but it 
kind of also, it also has echoes

675
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,520
of the the Great Stink, you 
know, the, the from the 1840s 

676
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,680
fifties that led to the building
of the, the sewers. 

677
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,640
And somehow, even though he's 
just walked in up the street, 

678
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,840
Seagoon is, is appointed fog and
thick smog officer. 

679
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,280
In other words, fatso, fatso. 
There's somebody who really 

680
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,480
enjoys that joke. 
I don't know if you yes heard. 

681
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,480
There's this one laugh that you 
hear through the show and it's 

682
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,840
as soon as you get the fatso 
joke. 

683
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,360
It is kind of really distinctive
laugh and there's someone having

684
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,320
a great night there. 
So Ned Seagoon, by his own 

685
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,840
initiative and resource, was 
given the official title of Fog 

686
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,520
and Thick Smog Officer. 
In short, Fatso. 

687
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,720
He's got this government 
sponsored laboratory and he's 

688
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,520
got this assistant, which is 
Eccles. 

689
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,680
I don't know what the he just 
appointed Eccles as his 

690
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,280
assistant research assistant. 
Wandered in me. 

691
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,280
Yeah. 
And he starts his research to 

692
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,120
eliminate the fog. 
And he is visited in his 

693
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:19,640
laboratory by the statue of 
Admiral Horatio Nelson from the 

694
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,680
column in Trafalgar Square, 
which is great pipes then by any

695
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680
other name. 
And he explains that the statues

696
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,720
of London need the fog as it's 
their only opportunity to move 

697
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:34,160
around and see the sights. 
And but Segan obviously refuses 

698
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,880
to stop his experiments. 
But he's quite, you know, he's 

699
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,880
quite, quite relaxed to be 
visited by A. 

700
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Yeah, Statue. 
Yeah, I think because, because 

701
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,400
Eccles is there as well. 
And you know, he invites him in,

702
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,160
and it's so it gets very strange
when Eccles is inviting him in 

703
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,520
and talking about how he's left 
a stone chip from his stone 

704
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,920
supper. 
Yeah, if we think about this too

705
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,240
much, we over think this. 
Where did that stone chip come 

706
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,640
from if it's all in Eddie's 
mind? 

707
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,400
But anyway, Exactly yes. 
It's very confusing. 

708
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,560
It's all in the mind. 
So obviously the word passes 

709
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
from Nelson to the other London 
statues. 

710
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,680
I'm going to mention them. 
So you've got this, this this 

711
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,000
Fred Bog character, I think 
that's his name as Achilles. 

712
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,960
You've got Eros, which is Blue 
Bottle, Gladstone, which is 

713
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,840
Crund, who informs his 
girlfriend, which is Bodicea. 

714
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Yes. 
So I mean there's always a bit 

715
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,400
of are they, aren't they between
Crund and Bannister? 

716
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,560
But yeah, in this case, the S 
they are. 

717
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,440
Apparently they're seeing, well,
not seeing each other because of

718
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,400
the fog, but they can't. 
See each other. 

719
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,440
When they're seeing each other, 
I think that makes sense. 

720
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,680
It yeah. 
And again, I just want to say 

721
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,240
again, why did why have they 
been? 

722
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,960
Why is Blue Bottle and Mini 
being used again? 

723
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,200
Yes, that is a strange yes. 
I don't know why when Peter 

724
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,240
Sellers has so many voices in 
him, you'd think that he'd 

725
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,320
maybe, I don't know somebody 
else or or not have Blue Bottle,

726
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680
because Blue Bottle doesn't 
really had anything in his own 

727
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,320
appearance at the beginning. 
I don't. 

728
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Well, it could, that could have 
been William May Cobblers. 

729
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,720
Yeah, at the, at the at the 
beginning. 

730
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,560
That would have worked. 
Yeah, it it. 

731
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,320
Or it could have been Flower 
Jew, one of those secondary 

732
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,800
characters. 
Maybe they thought that if the 

733
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,200
character had to fall in the 
water, then Blue Bottle was the 

734
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,600
one. 
I suppose so. 

735
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,440
He's, he's good at doing that. 
Based on a true story. 

736
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,800
By the way, fun fact, what I got
a bit obsessed with the the 

737
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,240
London Fog, and I started 
looking up things that happened 

738
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,080
in the because the fog was, you 
know, a huge event in, was it 

739
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,040
52, I think, wasn't it? 
And well, maybe years before and

740
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,120
after as well. 
But yeah, one of the things that

741
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,560
happened in the fog when it was 
so bad that you couldn't see 

742
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,240
your hand in front of your face,
apparently they had the police 

743
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,680
stationed around the Albert Dock
in London because people would 

744
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,880
just topple in. 
They'd just be wandering through

745
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,560
the fog and they'd just fall 
over the edge. 

746
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,240
So the police had to fish them 
out again. 

747
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,520
I mean, my first thought when I 
heard about this, the Albert 

748
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,800
Dock. 
No, I thought, no, that's, 

749
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,400
that's that's in Liverpool. 
That's what they do this 

750
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,440
morning, isn't it? 
No, there's one in London as 

751
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,600
well, apparently the Albert 
Docks. 

752
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,760
And yeah, the fog was so bad 
people would just not see the 

753
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,880
edge. 
And so they had police stationed

754
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,920
along the edge to stop people 
from wandering in. 

755
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,840
What was the cause of the fog in
London in the early 50s? 

756
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Was it just the cold that was 
being burned? 

757
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,360
Well, it was off the top of my 
head, it was an anticyclone. 

758
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,800
It was an inversion roof. 
It was to do with basically 

759
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,520
when, when you get foggy 
weather, you have a thick fog on

760
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,720
the ground, which then rises up.
It dissipates when, when it, you

761
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,080
know, the earth gets warmer and 
it's still cold up. 

762
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,920
So the fog drifts up into the 
the warmer air. 

763
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,280
So the colder air above or it 
gets blown away by the wind. 

764
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,760
But what with London being in a 
basin, didn't get much wind. 

765
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,680
I can't remember the last time I
was in London and it was windy. 

766
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,640
I don't think they get wind in 
London, maybe they do. 

767
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,880
But this kind of this this lid. 
Play me in Parliament 

768
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,040
airlessness. 
So this kind of this, this lid 

769
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,640
of warm air formed over London 1
winter and they're called an 

770
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
anticyclone, which basically 
held the fog down because the 

771
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,120
fog would go up into the cold 
air, but there was no cold air 

772
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,320
to go up into. 
So this, this lid of warm air 

773
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,040
just kept the fog down in 
London. 

774
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,600
And of course, everyone's 
burning coal at the same time. 

775
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,680
The factories are burning cold, 
the homes are burning coal, 

776
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,320
adding to this, this fog which 
became a smog. 

777
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,800
And before you know it, you've 
got five days of of thick fog 

778
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,200
that you can't see through. 
Blimey. 

779
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,840
Yeah, I've become a bit obsessed
with the London fog, but I've 

780
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,320
started thinking about Frog. 
Very good. 

781
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,600
I'm I'm you. 
You've certainly done your 

782
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,160
research. 
Thank you if anyone, if if 

783
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,840
Michael Fish is is listening and
thinking I've got it completely 

784
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,480
wrong, then please do write in. 
I mean, you know, I'm not an 

785
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,320
expert meteorologist to correct 
me. 

786
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,960
Michael Fish is not particularly
noted for his accuracy. 

787
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,680
Yes, he's he's at his off days, 
hasn't he? 

788
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:03,600
There's a bit in this show where
where we have the bit where a 

789
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,880
cordon of Scots Guards have been
ringed around the base of 

790
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,240
Nelson's column to stop to stop 
Nelson from to stop Nelson from 

791
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,440
moving. 
And then Spike says nobody 

792
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,080
noticed Nelson go through on his
knees. 

793
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,840
It's a huge response. 
And then Ned says nobody noticed

794
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,240
Nelson going through on his 
knees, Did he? 

795
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:29,240
Well, and, and the response to 
that made me think that's that's

796
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,360
this. 
Is there some filthy connotation

797
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,680
of this there? 
I I wondered that why did it get

798
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,560
a big enough second time and. 
Then he says. 

799
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,640
Bully. 
Then he says bully for Nelson. 

800
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Isn't that Nelson saying? 
What's he suggesting there? 

801
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,240
Wow. 
I need to become an expert in 

802
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,760
1950s innuendo, I think, because
that would explain it all. 

803
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,120
Two days later, fog again 
enveloped the South of England, 

804
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,240
but this time there was a cordon
of Scots Guards around the base 

805
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,320
of Nelson's Column. 
Anyone over 10 feet was 

806
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,840
challenged. 
Nobody noticed Nelson goes 

807
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:13,560
through on his knees. 
Nobody noticed Nelson going for 

808
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,480
his knees, did he? 
Well, 

809
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,560
bully for Nelson. 
There's quite a bit, as I said 

810
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,560
before, there's quite a bit cut 
out, you know, for the from the 

811
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,760
original broadcast, for the TS 
issue, and maybe because they'd 

812
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,640
already cut so much stuff out, 
they had to leave. 

813
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,240
They just had to leave some 
stuff in. 

814
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,000
And there's. 
A There's a few clunky edits as 

815
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,360
well here and there, 
particularly at the beginning 

816
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,120
with Blue Bottle. 
But Nelson, Yeah. 

817
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,280
So Nelson sneaks through on his 
hands and knees and visits Segan

818
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,280
again. 
But Nettie has has anticipated 

819
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,120
this and prepared special 
chains, apprehends Nelson and 

820
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,160
chains them to the column. 
Yes. 

821
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,280
And then, and then we sort of, 
we understand that Echols can't 

822
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,000
see who Siegood is talking to. 
That's when it starts getting a 

823
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,920
bit, yes, a bit strange. 
I don't want to worry Neddy, but

824
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,320
I can't see who was talking to. 
Or that's the yeah, the first 

825
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,760
rug pull. 
Something like that again, It's 

826
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,280
there's a mystery forming, isn't
there? 

827
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,360
There really is. 
I don't know. 

828
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,880
It's, it's so different to me 
from I mean, I know series 5 had

829
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,120
had a few shows sort of like 
this, but this, this one's a 

830
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,480
real oddity to me. 
It is. 

831
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,200
It does. 
I think that's what one of the 

832
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,560
reasons I chose it was, because 
it does stand out, for better or

833
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,280
worse. 
I mean, about 50% of the episode

834
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,600
is Ned Segun laughing maniacally
as well, kind of unravels or 

835
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,640
coughing all that. 
Yep, yes, there's a lot of 

836
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,400
coughing as well, yes. 
So Eccles, Yeah, Eccles can't 

837
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,000
see who's Segun's talking to. 
And then Greenslade puts down 

838
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,400
his Radio Times to report that 
the next day a government 

839
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,560
sponsored scientist IE Ned was 
helped Dan from Nelson's Column 

840
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,560
where he had chained himself to 
the statue. 

841
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,200
Nelson. 
And somehow or other, we don't 

842
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,080
quite know what he does, but his
his experiments succeed and the 

843
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,480
fog disappears. 
Well, yeah, his, I think he's 

844
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,760
science. 
He's actually pretty solid 

845
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,480
because he talks about heating 
the air and I think that would 

846
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,000
probably do it as well. 
He talked about the heating 

847
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,680
atomically with the Earth's 
radiation or something. 

848
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,560
And yeah, I think I don't know 
whether they knew that that was 

849
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,080
going to work or not, but but. 
How does he do that? 

850
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,200
He doesn't explain it, 
unfortunately. 

851
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,440
I, I think I'm, I'm surprised 
that they don't go into more 

852
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,160
detail on that one because it's 
just, that's what he does. 

853
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,120
It's, I'm not sure, maybe 
because he's operating from what

854
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,240
turns out to be a bomb site. 
Maybe that's why. 

855
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,360
And and Seigen opens the the 
window of his government 

856
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,560
sponsored laboratory and and 
drinks in the chairs of the of 

857
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,960
the crowd, although echoes can't
see or hear anyone. 

858
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,200
The streets are deserted, yeah. 
Yeah, and then the fog returns, 

859
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:07,960
but it's somewhat different. 
That's right, yes, it can't be 

860
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,880
fog because Ned got rid of it, 
so he thinks it must be 

861
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,680
something else. 
Must be something else. 

862
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,400
So he coins the word forag, 
foreign fog. 

863
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Foreign fog. 
That's it. 

864
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,440
He thinks that Blubnock has 
stolen his notes, taken him 

865
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,080
abroad, and now they're making 
fog abroad so that they can ship

866
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,520
it back to Britain, so that 
Nelson can carry on going about 

867
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,280
his his day. 
Yep, and he goes and tells 

868
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,760
parliament this and as a result 
they have him committed to a 

869
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,040
lunatic asylum. 
Yep, basically. 

870
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,360
Putting those shapes in the 
holes. 

871
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:47,240
Under the care of, 
interestingly, Doctor Moriarty. 

872
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,320
Yes, on his own. 
Playing it straight. 

873
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,000
Yes. 
And and Doctor Eidelberger who 

874
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,640
was the semi regular German 
character that Sellers would 

875
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,880
play. 
Yes, it is that that name by the

876
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,120
way, is that anything? 
Yes, OK. 

877
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Yes, fair enough, because his 
because his full name is Justin.

878
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,840
Justin, just sorry. 
Houston, Houston Heidelberger 

879
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,080
of. 
Course, my dad used to use that 

880
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,800
phrase all the time and right, 
that's what he was getting at. 

881
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,800
I see. 
That's what he was calling me 

882
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,640
all those times. 
And then, then we have the the 

883
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:27,520
final, the final scene, which 
is, yeah, just just a bit 

884
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,280
disturbing, isn't it really? 
It's a bit it's This is why I 

885
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,800
thought it was a bit when I say 
it's a bit of a Spike ending 

886
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,640
because it reminds me a lot of 
the the cute series where rather

887
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,200
than end a sketch, it just. 
Collapse. 

888
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,920
Or it just thought to bits and 
we get we get Moriarty 

889
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,000
explaining that actually, no, 
there is no major blood knock. 

890
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,920
There is no government sponsored
laboratory. 

891
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,360
It's actually the address he 
gave me is is a bomb site. 

892
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,080
And Ned says, yes, there is sure
as my name is Ned Sigoon. 

893
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,480
And he says, yeah, that's the 
other thing. 

894
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,040
There is no Ned Sigoon. 
I think it's, it's such a oh, 

895
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,760
it's such a dark ending that 
everything just collapses and 

896
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,440
disappears. 
It's like the set falling down 

897
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,800
and there being nothing there. 
It's a. 

898
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,520
Well then, then it begs the 
question, so. 

899
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,640
So where was Eccles during all 
this? 

900
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,600
Eccles was both there and not 
there. 

901
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,280
That's it. 
Can and can't see Nelson. 

902
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,880
Yeah. 
Very strange ending. 

903
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,360
It's a lot to think of that. 
A lot to in the last like 30 

904
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,800
seconds. 
Absolutely. 

905
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,640
Absolutely. 
I've never been that fond of it.

906
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,520
Yeah. 
And I hadn't listened to it for 

907
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,480
probably 2530 years before 
listening to it again for this. 

908
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,520
But because I used to listen to 
them all over and over and over 

909
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,480
again, you know, I was so 
familiar with it again, you 

910
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,440
know, listening to it again. 
But to me, there was no, there 

911
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,920
was no big belly laughs. 
There was, there was like the 

912
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,280
hand of Milligan, I feel, 
although I gather he must have, 

913
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,280
I guess he must have had input 
here and there, obviously. 

914
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,840
And yeah, it just there was 
there was a few what I would 

915
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,480
call just traditional gags that 
net that that spike would have 

916
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,840
issued feel. 
But you know, it it an 

917
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,920
interesting show. 
Absolutely. 

918
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Where do you stand on one of my 
favorite jokes in there, which 

919
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,800
doesn't get the laugh I think it
deserves, which is when they're 

920
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,040
in Parliament and someone says, 
do you realize that fog is 

921
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,400
costing us millions every year? 
And a little voice says. 

922
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,240
Well, stop buying it today. 
Yeah, that is a good. 

923
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,080
That's a lovely joke. 
It doesn't get the the applause 

924
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,480
that the the the response it 
should have done. 

925
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,520
Yeah, there's all There's also 
it is cut out from the edited 

926
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,280
show. 
Oh, yeah. 

927
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,360
But in the original broadcast, 
there was a reference to Winston

928
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:57,120
Churchill was there. 
And because at this time, and 

929
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,280
I've covered this before, when 
we did the year Yi Band of 

930
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,680
Sherwood Forest, there was a bit
of a controversy at the time 

931
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,360
with Winston Churchill and a 
telegram that he was meant to 

932
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,720
have sent to Field Marshall 
Montgomery. 

933
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,960
Oh, what's this? 
After the war it was to do with 

934
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,640
stock piles of munitions after 
the war and quite complicated. 

935
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,080
But anyway Churchill mislaid a 
telegram and it got into all the

936
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,600
papers OK. 
I would direct listeners to the 

937
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,320
episode on the band of Sherwood 
Forest for the the full 

938
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,560
background to that story. 
But the goons hammered this, 

939
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,720
this this minor scandal. 
They they referenced it. 

940
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,720
Certainly in this show, they 
referenced it and you banned it.

941
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,680
And also, I think in the show 
after you banned it, which is 

942
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,800
the case of the missing air. 
I think I'm right in saying, am 

943
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,960
I wrong? 
But I want to say it's that. 

944
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,880
And they got into trouble and 
Sellers got into trouble for 

945
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,000
impersonating Churchill. 
Oh, really? 

946
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,160
And yeah, it got into the papers
even that he got capable with 

947
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,960
the BBC nabobs who were not 
happy with the with him 

948
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,120
impersonating the great man. 
Oh my God. 

949
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,280
And while we're on the subject 
of Sellers, because, you know, I

950
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,680
always like to see what was 
going on and, and what the what 

951
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,920
the goons were doing around the 
time that these shows are 

952
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,840
recorded. 
And Sellers was in the future. 

953
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,960
Sellers in the 50s tried to, you
know, he was trying his best to 

954
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,800
sort of cover all media or all 
mediums by, you know, he was 

955
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,200
obviously a big star in the 
radio. 

956
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,680
He getting into television. 
Yeah. 

957
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,840
That sort of faltering steps 
into the into the talkies, you 

958
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,760
know, to the films. 
Lady Killers was to come out the

959
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,920
year after this was broadcast. 
But he was also treading the 

960
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,360
boards. 
I mean, it would culminate in 

961
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:01,000
this, the the relatively 
disastrous brouhaha a few years 

962
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,880
later, after which I don't think
he appeared on stage again, 

963
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,320
certainly not not in any sort of
performance. 

964
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:15,000
But during the time that this 
was recorded or he was 

965
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,680
appearing, Sellers was appearing
at the London Palladium in 

966
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Mother Goose. 
Wow, that's the kind of that's 

967
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,680
the kind of announcement we did 
here at the end of an episode. 

968
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,720
Peter Solos is now appearing in 
Mother Goose at the Wonder 

969
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,720
Palladium Palladium. 
Oh wow. 

970
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,920
It was also known as it says 
Mother Builder's Mother Goose, 

971
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,760
also known as Val Parnell's 7th 
magnificent Christmas pantomime.

972
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Oh, so he began appearing in 
December 54 and it ran until 

973
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,080
March the following year. 
Whoa. 

974
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,880
That's. 
Some. 

975
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,800
That's quite a pantomime. 
That's back when pantomimes used

976
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,320
to go for, you know, months and 
months and months. 

977
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:56,440
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

978
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,280
Because I don't know why. 
Yeah. 

979
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Apparently it was over 150 
performances. 

980
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Crikey. 
And sellers played the Squire. 

981
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,400
Yeah. 
In Mother Goose and he played it

982
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,520
as Blood Knock. 
Oh, brilliant. 

983
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,720
And, and apparently he had a 
like a gin bloom nose, you know,

984
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,760
big bulbous nose and grey hair 
or greying hair. 

985
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:30,320
Now, the script was actually 
written by Eric Sykes again, as 

986
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,880
well as someone called Phil 
Park. 

987
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,000
And the rest of the cast was Max
Bygraves. 

988
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,600
Oh, of course. 
As Sammy Richard Hearn as Mother

989
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,000
Goose. 
Now, do you know his Richard 

990
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,800
Hearn's alter ego? 
I don't. 

991
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,560
Have you ever heard of Mr. 
Pastry? 

992
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,880
Oh, I guess. 
That's Richard Hern. 

993
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,200
That's Richard Hern. 
Did he do the dance? 

994
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,760
I hope so. 
I guess so. 

995
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,040
I would imagine so at gunpoint 
if necessary. 

996
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,960
And also it it it had Shirley 
Eaton. 

997
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,840
OK. 
And Shirley Eaton went on to be 

998
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,080
famous, chiefly, I guess, for 
for Goldfinger. 

999
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,840
She was the woman who was killed
by being painted totally in 

1000
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,920
gold, wasn't she? 
Yeah, I think she was very 

1001
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,680
attractive actress. 
Yeah, who did she play in? 

1002
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,760
Mother Goose. 
It doesn't. 

1003
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,080
I didn't actually get to find 
that out what the character was 

1004
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,680
called. 
She was interviewed because she 

1005
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,280
she more or less gave up acting 
to bring up a family. 

1006
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,000
She was interviewed years and 
years later by Roger Lewis for 

1007
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,320
the seller's biography and and 
she talked about seller's doing 

1008
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:52,480
Mother Goose OK. 
And she said he was stormy, 

1009
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,920
temperamental, always ready with
a tantrum of things went wrong. 

1010
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,040
And yet then he could be very 
affectionate and extremely 

1011
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,800
vulnerable. 
He was a very restless person 

1012
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,360
and he was never an attractive 
person, Peter, and he knew it, 

1013
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,440
but he had charm. 
Women respond to that in men and

1014
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,800
their vulnerability. 
So I don't know what that means.

1015
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,600
You know what? 
You know what Peter was like? 

1016
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:18,960
I can imagine, Yes. 
Yes. 

1017
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,320
I'm just thinking of how strange
it must have been to, if you'd 

1018
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,240
listened to the Goon show, to 
suddenly see Blood Knock on 

1019
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,880
stage as well. 
Not Blood Knock, but, you know, 

1020
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,200
basically his. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1021
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,880
Yeah. 
And what did he say? 

1022
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,920
That the costume was kind of the
the the Red Nose basically, not 

1023
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:36,400
the red. 
Nose. 

1024
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,280
Well, it's he, he played the 
Squire. 

1025
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,880
So I imagine, I can imagine the 
sort of the, the outfit that the

1026
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,960
the Squire in a pantomime would 
wear. 

1027
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,920
Yeah, more or less. 
That must have been a very kind 

1028
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,080
of bit of cognitive dissonance 
going on there, kind of hearing 

1029
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,600
the voice but seeing a different
character because suppose 

1030
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,840
everyone kind of pictures what 
blood knock and everybody else 

1031
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,680
would look. 
Like, and then this was blood 

1032
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,880
knock when he was, you know, 
this is pre massive Poston 

1033
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,200
explosions. 
Blood knock, you know, this was 

1034
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,480
this was when he was, he was 
still in control, relatively 

1035
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,440
speaking, of his bowels. 
He he was still, he was a con 

1036
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,280
man and he was a, you know, he 
was always tapping people for a 

1037
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,080
£5 note. 
But he wasn't quite the blood 

1038
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,240
knock the sort of the, the, the 
grotesque that he would become, 

1039
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:19,680
I guess. 
But yeah, it must, it must have 

1040
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,480
been very strange for, you know,
children in the audience to who 

1041
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,040
love the goons to suddenly see 
this, hear this character as the

1042
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Squire. 
Yeah, you've just reminded me, 

1043
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,840
actually, there's a line in 
Forrock where where Neddy meets 

1044
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,800
Blood Knock and Neddy's in a bit
of a state about these statues 

1045
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,200
coming to get him. 
And Blood Knock says, come on, 

1046
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:47,320
stop, Stop stroking me potties. 
I had never heard that phrase in

1047
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,320
my life. 
Stop stroking me, potties. 

1048
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Pat Patties, I think. 
Potties. 

1049
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Ah, I see. 
Potties and I think and let me 

1050
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,480
just check. 
Hang on man, goes on Google. 

1051
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,960
I think potties trousers of some
of Indian Indian hang on a 

1052
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:09,720
second of Indian derivation. 
Sorry putties. 

1053
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,360
No, well they are Indian I 
think, but a long strip of cloth

1054
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,000
worn spirally round the leg from
ankle to knee for protection and

1055
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,240
support. 
Well yes, I wouldn't want anyone

1056
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,920
stroking my and that makes more 
sense, no? 

1057
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,120
Yes, I did make the mistake of 
Googling stroking my potties. 

1058
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,360
I wouldn't recommend it. 
No, delete that browsing 

1059
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,320
history. 
Stop stroking me potties and 

1060
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,840
let's get this done and run. 
So, yeah, so getting back to 

1061
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,560
Mother Goose, during one 
performance or after one 

1062
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,040
performance, Peter and Max 
Biograves and Shirley Eaton had 

1063
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,960
the photo taken with their 
mothers. 

1064
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,120
Oh, on stage. 
OK, you know, in character the, 

1065
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,080
the, the, the actors in 
character with their mothers. 

1066
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,240
And then years later, after Peg,
you know, Peter Sellers mother 

1067
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,280
had died, Peter somehow made 
contact with Shirley Eaton and 

1068
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,120
asked if she could send him a 
copy of the photograph, which I 

1069
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,720
think is quite, I don't know, 
quite sad really, you know. 

1070
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,280
Now, apparently Sellers did not 
get on with Richard Hearn. 

1071
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,840
Oh, right. 
No, surely. 

1072
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:25,440
Really, it's delightful. 
Apparently during a scene when 

1073
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,160
so Hearn is playing the Dame or 
Mother Goose or whatever. 

1074
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,080
So the same character, I 
suppose, Mother Goose as the 

1075
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,000
Dame. 
Is that right? 

1076
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,600
Yeah, I think so. 
So during a during a scene when 

1077
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,520
Richard Hearn's character was 
transformed into a rather more 

1078
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,440
glamorous figure and we're 
talking like a Diamante Wakin 

1079
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,160
silver playsuit. 
Oh wow. 

1080
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,040
And so he comes out, Richard 
Hern comes out wearing all this.

1081
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,080
And Sellers during one 
performance departed from the 

1082
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:01,360
script and impersonation Groucho
Marx and and and did the, you 

1083
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,000
know, the sort of the the half 
Crouch that Groucho does and 

1084
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,360
looked out to the audience and 
said, I've heard of Lady 

1085
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Dickhead, but this is 
ridiculous. 

1086
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,600
Lady Docker being a socialite, 
famous socialite at the time. 

1087
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,800
Anyway, they got a huge laugh, 
but Richard Hearn was absolutely

1088
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,160
incandescent with rage and 
refused on stage, refused to 

1089
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,360
continue until Sellers gave the 
correct line. 

1090
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,520
Right. 
And the correct line was what is

1091
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,120
this? 
Oh, OK, so in your in your mind 

1092
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,880
picture or in your mind trying 
to imagine bloodlock saying what

1093
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,960
is this? 
That's more or less what? 

1094
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,960
Yeah, I'm. 
I'm picturing that and also 

1095
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,800
Mother Goose in a mud as well, 
waiting for the right line. 

1096
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,680
Yeah. 
Wow. 

1097
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,640
I wonder how long it lasted. 
I wonder how long there was. 

1098
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,800
Well, I could imagine Sellers 
would have got red faced. 

1099
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,840
So following this though, right?
So the next day, Sellers 

1100
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,760
receives a letter from Val 
Parnell, who showed this is and 

1101
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,080
it says it said, Dear Mr. 
Sellers. 

1102
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,600
I was in the theater yesterday 
when you decided to change the 

1103
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,640
text of Mother Goose. 
When I require you to make the 

1104
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,520
members of my orchestra laugh, I
will ask you. 

1105
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,320
Until then, do the job you're 
being paid for. 

1106
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Otherwise I will have you 
personally kicked out of the 

1107
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:25,040
theater. 
And Max Bygraves was there when 

1108
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,800
Sellers was reading the letter. 
And apparently, Sellers was on 

1109
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:34,480
the brink of tears. 
Despite it going for over 150 

1110
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,200
performances and running into 
March, Sellers was not popular 

1111
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,120
with the audiences. 
Really. 

1112
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:48,680
Yeah, I don't know why, but 
apparently his last, the last 

1113
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,160
curtain call, the last 
performance, he got no applause.

1114
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,760
Sellers got no applause and Max 
Bygraves said that he just felt 

1115
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,000
that because he was playing the 
Squire as Blood Knock, it didn't

1116
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,880
translate from radio to the 
stage. 

1117
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,920
He said he was a shallow 2 
dimensional Colonel Blimp 

1118
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,200
character. 
Yeah, but he's not going to the 

1119
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,880
pantomime for for depth and 
performance, are you? 

1120
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,240
No, let's face it. 
Yeah, that's, I mean, I suppose 

1121
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,440
it's it's strange again, like in
the episode where we have Blue 

1122
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,640
Bottle twice, it's surprising 
that he didn't, you know, kind 

1123
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,520
of take the part and create 
something new rather than, you 

1124
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,400
know, reusing one of his own 
characters. 

1125
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,080
But maybe maybe that's what they
asked him to do, or maybe he 

1126
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,480
just felt that would work. 
Well, then, then having said 

1127
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,200
that, I'm just thinking on the 
fly here, right? 

1128
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,000
Because obviously we know that 
these statues did not move 

1129
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,600
around, that it's all part of 
Neddy's fevered imagination. 

1130
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,040
Oh, is he projecting? 
So he's so the people that he's 

1131
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,120
met on his early stroll through 
London? 

1132
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,560
Yeah. 
Met Blue Bottle. 

1133
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:02,000
He's met Minnie and he's he's 
then he then believes them to be

1134
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,760
the statues or some of the 
statues. 

1135
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,280
Perhaps that's. 
That could be it. 

1136
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,280
That would explain. 
Yeah, the voices. 

1137
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,680
That's you've got me thinking 
now. 

1138
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,840
Maybe maybe it is one of the 
like you say the in replacing 

1139
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,280
the horror comics. 
Maybe it is the idea that it's 

1140
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:18,920
one of those fogs that drives 
you mad. 

1141
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,800
Yeah. 
I'll tell you what one thing 

1142
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,080
that this episode did do for me 
was I got obsessed with the fog,

1143
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,200
with the, the London fog of the 
of the 50s, because it was, it 

1144
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,880
turns out it, it was huge. 
It was a fascinating story. 

1145
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,600
There was so much going on there
and the way that it that it 

1146
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,920
happened, the way that it 
affected people's lives. 

1147
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,720
Killed people, didn't it? 
Killed these people. 

1148
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,360
Yeah. 
I mean, early estimates were 

1149
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,800
what, 4000 people died in this, 
I think a month of it. 

1150
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,920
But now they think it's closer 
to 10,000. 

1151
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,360
So it's quite a kind of a, a 
dark subject to to turn into a a

1152
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,760
radio comedy, I think. 
And, you know, it was like 2 

1153
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,040
years after, you know, the 
really bad smog to to make an 

1154
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,240
episode of that out of it. 
I think was is fascinating. 

1155
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,080
And especially the way that 
they, they could have gone in 

1156
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,800
any direction, but for some 
reason they decided, you know, 

1157
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,960
you know what this needs statues
moving around. 

1158
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,480
That's what it is. 
That's where we'll go with the 

1159
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,840
the fog. 
It's the. 

1160
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,640
Thing is, if it was inspired by 
if it was lifted from an 

1161
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,440
Educating Arch episode from 
December 52, that would have 

1162
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,160
been smack bang in the middle of
the the fog. 

1163
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,920
Yeah, yeah. 
So if that. 

1164
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,480
If you worry. 
Yeah. 

1165
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,640
So if that was going on and 
yeah, they were making a a nice 

1166
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,600
kind of light story about it 
because you know, you do hear 

1167
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,120
about with the fog, like with 
Simon Lock, the Blitz as well, 

1168
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,720
the the stories about people 
just getting on with it. 

1169
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,600
You know, this huge thing is 
happening and Londoners just 

1170
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,080
getting on with life and finding
a way around it. 

1171
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,360
And maybe that's it that, you 
know, they, we make up funny 

1172
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,080
little stories about this is 
when the statues get to walk 

1173
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:50,360
around to kind of help it along.
I mean, it's because you do hear

1174
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,200
some of the stories I've read 
about and and heard about with 

1175
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,400
the the smog. 
It's incredible how people 

1176
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,200
coped. 
So there was a, an amazing story

1177
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,400
about how London airport was 
still open and the planes were 

1178
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,920
still landing but using their 
instruments. 

1179
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,080
And on one occasion, this is 
from an, an essay by Edwin 

1180
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,080
Muller in the year after it. 
He said that one plane landed 

1181
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:18,320
using instruments, landed on the
runway safely and then taxied to

1182
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,960
the terminal and got lost in the
fog. 

1183
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,640
So they sent out a search party 
to find this plane who got lost 

1184
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,800
in the fog. 
It's amazing how these things 

1185
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,440
going on and people just carried
on as normal and, you know, went

1186
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,960
on with their everyday life. 
Sorry, when you said about 

1187
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,760
airplanes with the instruments, 
I was thinking of that scene 

1188
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:43,520
from the film Airplane. 
Yep, Yep, first thing I thought 

1189
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,240
of. 
OK, well, James, listen for a 

1190
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,960
show that I've been a bit 
lukewarm about, it's been a a 

1191
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,200
lovely, lovely discussion. 
I've really enjoyed it. 

1192
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,080
Me too, thank you very much. 
Thank you and I'd love to get 

1193
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,280
you back again and talk about 
one show that we both like 

1194
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:01,800
maybe. 
Thank you very much. 

1195
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,880
I'd love to come. 
Back OK and so Black Cat Radio 

1196
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,840
every Tuesday evening between 
what, 8 and 10? 

1197
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,720
Was it 8 and 10 alternative 
classics and amazing new music. 

1198
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,960
You will find your new favorite 
tune. 

1199
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,920
Even you. 
I guarantee I will find your new

1200
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,560
favorite tune. 
And they'll all of them will be 

1201
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,200
#1 at some. 
Point all of them guaranteed #1 

1202
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,880
some of them will get to #0 
they're that good. 

1203
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,400
It's a promise. 
And I'd love you to come back to

1204
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:27,920
me at some point. 
I'm not holding you to it. 

1205
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,600
But you know, with a little 
little playlist or a little 

1206
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,200
mixtape in theory. 
Oh, I'll start recording it now.

1207
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,120
I'll get 45 minutes each side, a
short one. 

1208
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:42,960
That'll be great. 
I'd love to C90 digital C-90. 

1209
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,840
You know what I found my, I 
didn't find my cassette 

1210
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,320
collection the other day. 
I was around my mum's house the 

1211
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,080
other day and she said, Oh yeah,
while you're up in the. 

1212
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,480
I was up in the loft. 
She said while you're in there, 

1213
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,440
she's like pace over there. 
What do you take that home? 

1214
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,880
She's always doing this to me, 
trying to offload, you know, I 

1215
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,320
moved out like 3020, thirty 
years ago. 

1216
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,960
She stuff's still in a loft and 
every time she tries to trick me

1217
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,200
into taking some more stuff 
home. 

1218
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,800
And it uses a cheap storage 
actually. 

1219
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,320
But yeah, the box full of 
cassettes I had to take home the

1220
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,600
other day, which is luck. 
We'd have it. 

1221
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,040
I've got a tape player, so 
that's going to be my weekend, I

1222
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,000
think. 
Oh. 

1223
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,320
Yes, Oh yes. 
I mean, there's a few 

1224
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,520
compilations in there. 
There's a couple of compilations

1225
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,240
from that people have given me, 
but the ones I'm most excited 

1226
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,440
about are the recordings from 
Radio One in the mid 90s, late 

1227
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,040
nights. 
There's going to be some gold in

1228
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,160
there. 
Oh, so we're talking Mark and 

1229
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,760
Lard or? 
Mark and Lard, the bedsit 

1230
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,440
survival guide, all that kind of
thing. 

1231
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,840
Yeah, it's a bit of Mark Lamar 
in there, Collins and Makoni. 

1232
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,240
Who was the character they used 
to do Fat Larry? 

1233
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,600
White for Harry. 
White for Harry. 

1234
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,560
White, Harry. 
White. 

1235
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,000
The Love Limited Orchestra, 
yeah. 

1236
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,440
Oh, man, some of the stuff that 
he did later night was just 

1237
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,480
incredible. 
I don't know whether he had 

1238
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,760
writers or what, but every night
just the most amazing comedy and

1239
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,960
just brilliant music. 
But oh, the sketches were just 

1240
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,640
joyous. 
And I'm really hoping that, 

1241
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,920
yeah, some of that is. 
There'll be stuff on that on on 

1242
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,120
those tapes that you can't get 
anywhere else, I'm sure. 

1243
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,960
Yes, yes. 
I can't wait to listen to them. 

1244
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,760
It's going to be amazing. 
Do you remember the oh, was it 

1245
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,160
theological news with Cyril 
Doricarts? 

1246
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,960
It was. 
It was Lard putting on a kind of

1247
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,040
1920s newsreader voice and. 
Not very well. 

1248
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,840
It was it was magnificent. 
It was, yeah, PFE news, but all 

1249
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,320
about things going on today, 
like, yeah. 

1250
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,440
So imagine a 1920s newsreader 
going to the Reading Festival 

1251
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,160
That that kind of. 
Thing that was vaguely about. 

1252
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,560
If you could digitize those at 
some point, I'd love to. 

1253
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,280
See what I can do? 
I still remember to this day 

1254
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,320
this incredible joke about it 
wasn't the Glastonbury Festival 

1255
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,720
he was talking about. 
And he says something like 450 

1256
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,520
weeks of the year, cows walk 
around this field and well, shit

1257
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,200
in it. 
But for two weeks of the year, 

1258
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,360
it turns into Mecca for new 
music, where people come from 

1259
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,640
all around the world to see 
bands and, well, shit in it. 

1260
01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:00,480
So that coming and. 
Then he does, I think he does 

1261
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,480
the Reading Festival as well, 
where he talks about the Reading

1262
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,040
Festival. 
The the one place on earth where

1263
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,440
you can meet meet journalists 
from the enemy and have a shit 

1264
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,200
in a beer barrel. 
Same thing if you ask me. 

1265
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,280
Sorry, I've used the word. 
A bad word. 

1266
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,120
Can I say shit? 
I mean, let's say shit can I is.

1267
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,600
He let's say shit on the radio. 
Can you say shit on the podcast 

1268
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,840
Digitizing? 
I have to get digitizing. 

1269
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,040
That would be brilliant. 
Wow, I'm really jealous of that 

1270
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,000
of, of you. 
I've got tapes up on in my loft 

1271
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,680
which I've taped off Radio 4 
over the years, but it's it's 

1272
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:40,080
not, it's mainly just plays and 
just random comedy things. 

1273
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,279
OK, there's. 
Got to be stuff up there from, 

1274
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:44,479
you know, the late 90s as well. 
It's going to. 

1275
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,279
Be Oh, there'll be some gold up 
there, Yeah. 

1276
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,560
Do you have a tape? 
Player No, I don't so. 

1277
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,520
The crowd funder starts here. 
Yes, by Tyler, a tape player. 

1278
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,399
So, James, it's been brilliant. 
Thank you so much. 

1279
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:00,800
Thank. 
You thank you for having me on 

1280
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,600
again. 
It's been an absolute pleasure. 

1281
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,800
And get me this, introduce me to
21st century music. 

1282
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,279
That's that's what I'm charging 
you with. 

1283
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,760
And and I look forward to 
speaking to you sometime soon. 

1284
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,520
Likewise, thank you so much for 
having me on again, having a 

1285
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,680
magnificent week. 
Thank you, James. 

1286
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,560
Have they examined the fog? 
They have. 

1287
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,160
It's turned out to be fog. 
It's not, it's not, I tell you 

1288
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,160
it's it's for wrong. 
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 

1289
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,520
Take it. 
Did you find major blood knock? 

1290
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,040
Yes, we have checked with the 
ward office records and find or 

1291
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,720
there is no such manner that 
name ever existed. 

1292
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:39,240
Huh. 
Go to my government sponsored 

1293
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,200
laboratory and you'll see his 
name in the visitors. 

1294
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,359
Book, yes, yes, we've checked 
with that address you gave us, 

1295
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:44,760
but there is no laboratory 
there. 

1296
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:51,640
It is an old bomb site. 
Honestly, there is a laboratory.

1297
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,840
There must be a laboratory as 
true as my name is Ned Siegel. 

1298
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:01,320
That's another point. 
There is no such person as Ned 

1299
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,560
Siegel. 
I just put these little squares.

1300
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,680
That was The Goon Show, a 
recorded program featuring Peter

1301
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,120
Sellers, Harry Sicum and Spike 
Milligan with the rented quartet

1302
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,680
and Max Gilray. 
The orchestra was conducted by 

1303
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,560
Wally Stott, script by Eric 
Sykes and Spike Milligan 

1304
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,800
announcer Wallace Greenslade. 
The program produced by Pete.