1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:08,119 Peter, you play the part of this rather unhappy and disenchanted 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,800 unsuccessful lawyer. What, What's he called now? 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,600 Wilfred Morgan Hall? He never gets a brief, does he? 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,560 Nobody ever employs him. He hasn't had a brief of many, 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:23,400 many years, and in this case he got the dock brief. 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:24,960 Do you know about the dock? No. 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,680 Explain what is a dock brief. It means that criminals who have 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:34,520 no friends or money are in liberty to pick out from the 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,480 benches any lawyer who is sitting in court that day to 10 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:44,240 defend them, and that is called the dock brief. 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,880 They are the lawyers, remunerated on a modest scale 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,920 and attempts to defend the criminal and Wilfred Morgan 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Hall. He's apparently been sitting in 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,160 the docks for many years, have never been chosen. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,360 As it says in the script under the great window, my profile 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,840 drawn and learned, my glasses polished, hoping, not daring to 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,920 wave a little flag or cause any other disturbance that might 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,760 catch the criminal's eye. Praying. 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,120 Hoping that one day I might to receive the dark brief. 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,280 He gets it. And you have to defend Richard 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,640 Attenborough on the charge of murder. 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,920 That's right. He plays foul. 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:02:02,360 Herbert Foul. Hello and welcome to Goombard, 24 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,320 the podcast in which we look at the careers of Peter Sellers, 25 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,280 Mike Milligan, Harry Sikkim, Michael Bentin and increasingly, 26 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,640 David Lodge. And Roger, you're back. 27 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,480 My guest, Roger Stevenson, is back. 28 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:17,640 Hello. Dead. 29 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,200 Nice to be back, Tyler. Thank you for for Thank you for 30 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,880 coming back because last time you were on, we were talking. 31 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,360 What was it? The China story? 32 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,520 China story? Yes, a lot Controversial. 33 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Oh yeah. So Roger, Yeah, you you agreed 34 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,520 to come back to talk about a film this time round indeed. 35 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,760 And we'll we'll jump straight into it because we've already 36 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,520 previously talked about your history with the the goons and 37 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:45,960 and what not. But. 38 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,040 But we're talking about a lesser known Peter Sellers film, which 39 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:56,200 is called The Doc Brief, AKA Trial and Error, which was the 40 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,120 American title which I think it's a better title. 41 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,440 I think it's a much better title. 42 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,240 I didn't know what a doc brief was until they explained it part 43 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,760 way through the film, but trial and error just sums up the 44 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,240 entire plot in one, doesn't it? So it's it does. 45 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,920 I don't know what I mean. The doc brief. 46 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,000 I know it's based on a John Mortimer play called the Doc 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,560 Brief. Yeah, but yeah, I didn't know. 48 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,360 I'm still not quite sure having watched the film again. 49 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,120 But it it's if if somebody said to me, do you want to watch a 50 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,080 film called The dot Brief or a film called Trial and error, 51 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,520 I'll be saying trial and error, please. 52 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Exactly. Yes. 53 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,280 So this this film was released in 1962. 54 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,240 That's right. And what what was it about this 55 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,360 film that made you want to come on and? 56 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Gab about it. Right. 57 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Well, The thing is, I am no film buff at all. 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,480 I listen to you sometimes on this podcast and I'm amazed you, 59 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,560 you know, I'm 20 odd years older than you, and yet you've got 60 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,080 more knowledge of 1960s films than I have by a by a mile. 61 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,480 And there must be others out there listen who listen to it, 62 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,520 who know more than I do. So I thought I'd. 63 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,200 I'd choose one that no one has ever seen. 64 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,480 To my. I mean, you might know better 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,640 than I do. Has it ever been on television 66 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,640 in Britain? Oh, it will have been. 67 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,120 I I didn't share. It will have. 68 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Been I've never seen it on television in Britain. 69 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,040 In fact, it has. I know it because it's been on 70 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,399 talking pictures. I was wondering about that. 71 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,120 I haven't seen it. I came across it when I first 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,640 got into Internet, like when first going to eBay, I had the 73 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,760 sort of usual buying frenzy that you get that sort of thing. 74 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,200 And I bought anything and everything. 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,040 You know, I've got on VHSA copy of The Big Freeze, Eric Sykes 76 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,400 and Spike Milligan. Which is not very good at all. 77 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,680 And one of the things I've got was trial and error. 78 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,320 I watched it and I just thought, why is this film not better 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,320 known? It is so good. 80 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:49,520 It's it's one of the last, because I only saw it for the 81 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,720 first time probably about two years ago, certainly within the 82 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,920 lifetime of this podcast, because I hadn't seen every 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,520 single Peter Sellers film, you know? 84 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,000 I've seen half of them. There's a handful. 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,800 In fact, there's one or two I still haven't seen. 86 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,720 I haven't seen and even the ones I've seen, I don't like them all 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,320 I don't I don't like. Oh, no, no, no, no. 88 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,920 There's there's some stinkers. But this one, it's a do we call 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,400 it a slight film? It's a it's an entertaining 90 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,680 film. It's a little gem, yeah. 91 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,440 That's the way I describe. It's a little gem and once you 92 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,520 discover it, you will enjoy it. I think it's it's it's it's well 93 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,840 worth seeking out and and watching. 94 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:33,320 I don't know if it's on YouTube or not, but if not it should be. 95 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,680 Well, you can pick up like you did and I and I did actually. 96 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,680 I think I got mine from eBay. You can pick up the, the DVD for 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:42,880 a couple of quid. Yeah, yeah. 98 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,560 And it's, it is, it is a little gem. 99 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,080 But I think I'm going to, I'm going to say this, I am going to 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,600 say this Roger. I think I prefer Sellers Costar. 101 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,160 I probably agree. Oh dear. 102 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:05,160 OK, I'll say this then. I have a theory that Peter 103 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,800 Sellers is at his best when he's either in an ensemble or he's 104 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,760 got someone another actor to compete with. 105 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,760 Yeah. Now here, Richard Attenborough 106 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,560 is outstanding. I I think Richard Attenborough 107 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,880 is a much maligned actor. He was brilliant actor when he's 108 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,440 young. He just got to watch 10 109 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Willington Place, right? One of my favourites of all 110 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,160 time. Or even private's progress to 111 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,120 see how good he is. If if Sellers is up against 112 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,880 someone like that, I think he's brilliant, you know, or an 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,200 ensemble. I mean something like the Pink 114 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Panther, he's brilliant and that because first of all, he wasn't 115 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:44,760 first choice and secondly, he's up on the bill and he raises his 116 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,800 game and films where he's not like that. 117 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,920 I don't think he's as good and this is a bit you won't like. 118 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,240 I don't think he's very good when he's only competing against 119 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,720 himself. I don't like him playing 120 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,800 multiple. Parts Oh, like Doctor 121 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Strangelove. Doctor Doctor Strangelove is, 122 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,640 don't get me wrong, as the American president of that, I 123 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,920 think he's brilliant, superb. But as Doctor Strangelove, it 124 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,360 made me cringe back then. I mean, today is borderline 125 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,840 racist the character. Why they didn't get someone who 126 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,920 can play a German with a lot more so far at the top. 127 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,200 It needs some more subtlety. It's a subtle film. 128 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,560 What you don't need at the end is someone biting his hand, 129 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,240 trying not to salute like a Nazi and what have you. 130 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,240 If someone more subtle would make it a lot. 131 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Better. Well, you know, do you know that 132 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,120 the actual they did, they filmed an ending for that film, which 133 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,320 they they then Kubrick sensibly changed his mind. 134 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:49,040 There was a custom pie fight at the end originally, yeah. 135 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Look, I I really enjoy Doctor Strangelove and I know, but I 136 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,760 take on board what you're saying. 137 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Yes, sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I think it's 138 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,000 a very, you know, you can't fight in here, it's a war room. 139 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,240 But it's that sort of subtle humour that I enjoy and then 140 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,680 finish off with this over the top character and if they got, I 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,320 don't know, Kurt Jurgens or someone who could play a German 142 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,800 and underplay him. I feel the same about the mouse 143 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:22,000 that Ward. What does it add to the film in 144 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,280 playing three parts? I don't know. 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,800 And I feel that if you had, you know, in the sequel, which was 146 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,320 not very good, you have Margaret Rutherford and Terry Thomas. 147 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Well, you put them into the Mouse Award and Sellers has got 148 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,440 something to compete with, and he could make Tully into a lot 149 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,120 more interesting character than he does. 150 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Yeah, there we are. Well, I don't, I don't mind the 151 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,680 mouse that roared. I'm just trying to think, I like 152 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,400 the film multiple sellers roles and the soft beds hard battles, 153 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,120 which isn't very good at all. There's fiendish plot of Fu 154 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Manchu of course, which, but yeah, I know what you're saying. 155 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,480 It's a conceit, isn't it? It's a contrivance that they 156 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,720 often would get sellers to play multiple roles. 157 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,520 But in this film? He's up against Richard 158 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,240 Attenborough and the two of them knock sparks off each other. 159 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,080 Yeah, there's a there's a there's a moment in this film 160 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,720 actually where he threatens to play another character, Sellers, 161 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,000 and then he doesn't. If that makes sense, well, we'll 162 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,720 get to that you. Have to lead me to that because. 163 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:27,880 I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so so this film it it had 164 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,440 its world premiere in London on the 20th of September 1962. 165 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,120 And as I always try to do, I just look at what else was 166 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,840 happening in the world of entertainment, showbiz or just 167 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:44,280 world events and the only thing that really caught my eye that 168 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,600 happened on this day, 20th, 20th of September 62 was the was the 169 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,560 first ever appearance of a television icon. 170 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,560 OK. And I'm going to give you a 171 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,160 clue. You mentioned you mentioned 172 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,920 Terry Thomas before. Yes. 173 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,440 And this, this television icon was very much influenced by 174 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,320 Terry Thomas. OK. 175 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,760 And if I was to say to you, children's television character? 176 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,760 OK, you're still. I'm still groping about in the 177 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,360 dark. OK, it was the first appearance 178 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,200 on ITV of basil brush. Basil Brush. 179 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,120 Oh, wonderful. Yeah, assistant, there was it 180 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,040 Derek Folds or? Well, no, it was OK. 181 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,640 It was before he had his. He was, because he was part of a 182 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,560 rap. The actor Ivan Owen, yeah, 183 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,000 provided the voice. That's right. 184 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,480 For for for Basil and Owen was part of the cast of ATV series 185 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:54,760 called The Three Scampis. Never heard of it? 186 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,240 No, it's it's, you know, one of those. 187 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,120 One of those also rands children's television and he 188 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 did, I think he did a number of different characters in this 189 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:11,400 television show. And it was one of the there was 190 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,920 a number of puppet characters and one of them was this Fox 191 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,520 character called Basil and there was also a hedgehog called Spike 192 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,240 Mcpike. I mean, nobody remembers the 193 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,280 three Scampi's, but the character of Basil took off was 194 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,440 very, you know, became very popular and then I think. 195 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,160 You know, subsequently got his own television shows and I love 196 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,120 Basil brush. That's one of my absolute 197 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,040 childhood favorites, that character. 198 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,760 Yes, it was. Well, one of my somewhat more 199 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,480 than childhood favorite. But yeah, he was wonderful, a 200 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,440 wonderful caricature and. Yes, yes. 201 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,720 So that was, but that was that was what happened on the 20th of 202 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,120 September 1962, as well as the world premiere of The Dock 203 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,200 Brief. We mentioned, so we've got, 204 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,960 we've got sellers as. Wilfred Morgan Hall, Wilfred. 205 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Morgan Hall. I'm going to struggle with that 206 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,680 name it read for some reason, because I've got lots of notes, 207 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:11,960 but I always struggle, you know, remembering the name of the 208 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,280 character Wilfred Morgan Hall, and he is a barrister. 209 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,720 You've missed one of the best bits into me at the start when 210 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,520 the titles come up. You've got 2 budges and there's 211 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,680 Peter Sellers, Richard Attenborough and you sort of 212 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,960 connect Peter Sellers and Richard Attenborough, these two 213 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,120 budges sitting on a perch in a cage. 214 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,320 Well yeah, but then you think about it without going too deep. 215 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,160 2 budges caged. I know it is. 216 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,560 There's a lot of caged in the whole film, isn't it? 217 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:48,640 I mean, yeah, I'm not going to read too much into it. 218 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,360 It's not that sort of film, but there's certainly a lot of 219 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,000 caging going on in the film and a lot of enclosure. 220 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,040 So I love the two budgets. It makes me laugh each time I 221 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,000 see it. These two budgets side by side, 222 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,720 that gap between them and then Peter Sellers, Richard 223 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,560 Attenborough, I think it's great. 224 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,480 Yeah, where Richard Attenborough was nominated for a BAFTA. 225 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Quite right too. For this, yeah. 226 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,240 You know, while watching the film, I kept thinking, who does 227 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,320 he remind me of? Who does he remind me of? 228 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,800 And then I thought he he's not as good an actor though, But I 229 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,560 thought that that role, that. Attenborough plays in this, 230 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:28,600 which is a character called Herbert Fowl. 231 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,080 The the actor Norman Bird could have played that character. 232 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,120 Do you know Norman Bird? I was thinking Donald Pleasance, 233 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,280 but there we are. Yeah, Donald, the Herbert fowl, 234 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:49,440 when this is drab and colorless and meek and and, but there's a, 235 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,440 there's a, there's a, there's an edge to Donald Pleasance even 236 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,880 when he plays very. Unassuming characters all, 237 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,240 there's a There's a undertone of menace, I think called 238 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,880 creepiness. An exciting meal has been ruined 239 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,480 by the presence of this liquid filth. 240 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,680 The filming took place in March and April 1962 at Shepperton and 241 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:19,840 around this time the actor Kenneth Griffith, who appeared 242 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,680 with Sellers in many. Only two comply, yes. 243 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,040 Yeah, and a number of other films as well. 244 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,440 Naked Truth, for example. They were, they were good 245 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,240 friends. And Kenneth Griffith had been 246 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,240 discussing with Sellers the possibility of appearing in ABBC 247 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,840 television production of Waiting for Godot. 248 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:40,240 Wow. OK. 249 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,000 And Sellers potentially was interested in playing the part 250 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,200 of estrogen. Yeah. 251 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,320 But then, as always or often with Sellers, he got cold feet. 252 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,200 And he blamed the fact that he was committed to filming the doc 253 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:04,200 brief and didn't have time to to do this TV adaptation. 254 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,320 OK, but but but but then sort of kept saying, but I could you 255 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,600 know, if you if you can wait if you can wait until I've done the 256 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,720 doc brief I might be able to do it right. 257 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,360 But anyway, in the end the BBC couldn't wait. 258 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,640 And so they got the actor Nigel Stock. 259 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,360 Instead, and and the the BBCTV adaptation of Waiting for Godot 260 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,880 went out on the 5th of February 1962, and Kenneth Griffith was 261 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,360 in it as well. Oh. 262 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,800 I haven't seen it with Peter Sellers, given his career a 263 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,320 different direction. Certainly he put a really good 264 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,840 actor up against him. He would have been excellent. 265 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,440 Well, I guess he would have been. 266 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,080 I guess he would have been acting up against Kenneth 267 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,560 Griffith. But it's it's it's I think 268 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Sellers was just intimidated I think by the. 269 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Yeah, yeah. Staying where? 270 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,880 He's not very familiar, yeah. Yeah. 271 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:06,440 And it's based the film is based on John Mortimer play and as 272 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,720 they were sort of discussing the film Sellers as as he was with 273 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,880 Fred Kite and I'm all right Jack, he was unsure about how to 274 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,240 play the character and what sort of voice to use and all that 275 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,960 sort of thing and originally. He wanted to play the role in a 276 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,880 North Country accent and in the end they persuaded him to adopt 277 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,960 A more sort of Home Counties accent. 278 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,880 Yeah, it it's it hasn't been wrong for it in my opinion. 279 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,400 He's got this is his not very good actor voice isn't it? 280 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Which he uses Worthington Minge or whatever he uses at various 281 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,880 times. Failed actor type. 282 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,520 Well, that's that's an interesting, yes, that's an 283 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,240 interesting comparison because. As we'll see in this film, he is 284 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,320 essentially a failed he suffers from stage fright. 285 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Yeah, I suspect some of his young days when he was touring 286 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,120 with his parents must have seen lots of people like this, people 287 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,800 with delusions of adequacy on the halls and what have you and 288 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,400 he, to my mind. That's what is best playing 289 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,280 people who think they can do it but really can't. 290 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,640 You know, it's Blue Bottle, isn't it? 291 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:19,839 It's yeah, it's all these people that him, Fred Kite, Pluso, the 292 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,480 the people who would love to be able to but no can't do it. 293 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,160 That's that's, yeah, Inadequate. Roger Lewis describes the 294 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,040 character of Morgan Hall as. Both hopeful and hopeless as as 295 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,920 grey washed as the prison cell. Walls. 296 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,720 Yes, yes. Hope, hopeful, hopeless is a 297 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,240 very good description of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 298 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,400 For some reason, during the filming, John Mortimer wrote 299 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,240 that Sellers was paranoid that he was going to be rubbed out by 300 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,400 the mafia because of his his connection with Sophia Loren. 301 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,600 Right. This is 1962. 302 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,840 This is a good couple of years after the millionaire, as you 303 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:03,360 know. Yeah, he. 304 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,480 Kept a thing for Sofia Laurent for quite a long time, so he's. 305 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,120 Like, yes, Yeah, yes. Now the interesting thing as 306 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,760 well about this, so you and I both watched the DVD. 307 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,840 Yes. And I checked with you, didn't 308 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:22,360 I, how the length of the film that you were watching and mine 309 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:25,280 was 77 minutes, which think yours was as well. 310 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,680 Yes, it was, Yeah. And but officially, the film 311 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:39,080 runs for 88 minutes, so there's 11 minutes missing, and this is 312 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,720 presumably the American cut of the film. 313 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,720 I wonder if they cut out some of the early setting up or what 314 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,320 have you, which wouldn't apply to the stage. 315 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,920 You know that opening scene? Or not. 316 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,680 The opening scene saw the second scene really, where you see them 317 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,640 all outside the courtroom, chatting and things going on and 318 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,920 and what have you. I wonder if that was originally 319 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:07,080 longer, but because it didn't relate to American audiences, 320 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,440 they decided a lot of that had to go maybe. 321 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,160 No, no. 11 minutes as a hell of a long. 322 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,920 Lot. A lot of. 323 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,160 I checked with Mark Cousins, who knows about all these these 324 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,720 things, and he hadn't realized, so he was. 325 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,720 He didn't know either. So I've not been able to find 326 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,560 out what. What was cut now? 327 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,040 I I suspected, maybe wrongly, that it it occurred to me that 328 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,200 the, you know, when we get to the actual proper court scene 329 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,320 that the the the trial itself, it's I I suspect that a bit of 330 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,040 that was cut. Oh yeah. 331 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,360 But I don't know more. Bumbling by the Morgan Hall 332 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,040 character. Yeah, we just get the opening 333 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,880 bit, don't we? We get the prosecuting. 334 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,320 Barrister's speech And then that's about it. 335 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,160 So yes, yes, you could have had a bit more in there, couldn't 336 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 you? Yeah, but in any case it was you 337 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,360 know it's it's a short film. The version that we watched 338 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:06,600 anyway. But it was it was fine. 339 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,200 It's a Dimitri de Gronwald production. 340 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,280 And also did the Millionaires. Yeah. 341 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,000 And Mr. Topaz which was the Sellers directed, which isn't 342 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,880 very good. He was also executive producer 343 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,040 on a film I'm very fond of, which I nobody's really seen, 344 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,920 called Perfect Friday with Stanley Baker and David Warner. 345 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:37,120 Wow, haven't seen that one wonderful film if it is 346 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:43,040 available on Blu-ray and DVD, so I recommend anybody who enjoys 347 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:49,800 sort of heist or caper films or bank robbery films to to to seek 348 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,680 that one out. And David Warner is marvelous. 349 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,920 But I I mentioned to you before we started recording, I was 350 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,240 watching Straw Dogs last night because I do like Dustin Hoffman 351 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,600 and David Warner's in that film, but he's uncredited. 352 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,720 But he's probably, I would say he's probably, I don't know, the 353 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,880 fifth most important character in the film, but he's 354 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,160 uncredited. I don't understand. 355 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,720 Why? Plus he took his name off it. 356 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,480 Maybe. Odd enough, I watched David 357 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,920 Warner last night. I I recorded the Wars of the 358 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,640 Roses. That was on on Sunday, the BBC 359 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,680 adaptation of Henry the 6th through the Richard the 3rd. 360 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,320 And he plays a weak, pathetic Henry the sixth in it. 361 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,040 And how very good he is too. He's wonderful. 362 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,360 David Warner, wonderful actor, famously gets decapitated in The 363 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Omen by a sheet of glass anyway, so it's directed by a chap 364 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,160 called James Hill who had worked with Sellers a few years 365 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,520 previously on a short film that is hopefully going to be 366 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,040 released on DVD one of these days. 367 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,840 There's a there's a number of or a couple of short Sellers films 368 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,760 from the 50s and there's there's one called Cold Comfort. 369 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,000 So he directed that. He also directed Born Free the 370 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Bellstone Fox, which I'm quite fond of, and he also directed 371 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,880 Wurzel Gummage, which was another childhood favorite of 372 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,080 mine. So it seems this is an odd film 373 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,760 for him then, because one outdoors in Africa, one 374 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,040 outdoors, two of them outdoors in the UK, and here he is 375 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,640 claustrophobically in a prison cell. 376 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,920 So yes, it's quite a chance, isn't it? 377 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Because obviously, yeah, as I keep saying, this is based on a 378 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,960 play, so it's it comes, you can tell that it's based on a play, 379 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,720 can't you? And the radio play at that. 380 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,880 You can see how well it would have worked on the radio. 381 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,800 Yeah. So as we indicated, we've got 382 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,840 sellers, we've got Richard Attenborough, we've got Beryl 383 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,000 Reed. Underused. 384 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,080 It has to be saved. But yeah, she's very good in the 385 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,280 part. But she doesn't do much more 386 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,600 than giggle, really. Does she? 387 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,920 Unfortunately no. And and and of course David 388 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,040 Lodge. Yes. 389 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,920 Can you think of any other films David Lodge was in? 390 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:23,120 The screenplay for this film is by Pierre Ruth, who had written 391 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Mr. Topaz and produced it as well with Sellers, and it was 392 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,000 also a producer on The Millionaires and the music by 393 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:39,240 The Legendary. Ron Gray, Yeah, Any particular 394 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,960 favorite Ron greener? Compositions marvellous in this 395 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,040 one but of course we've got May grade Doctor Who Steptoe and 396 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,800 son. I mean the the the man was 397 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,360 brilliant. You should get Graham Lindsay 398 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:55,240 foot on one day Just talking about Ron Greener for about 3 399 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,480 hours. He I'm certain he knows a lot 400 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,680 more than I do. But yeah Ron Greener is one of 401 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,520 those. Like Wally Stott, but. 402 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920 Unsung heroes, but certainly not unplayed. 403 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,680 Yeah, I love Tales of Unexpected. 404 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840 The the theme. Music for that he did. 405 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,480 He was. He worked on Hoffman, which 406 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,520 we've discussed previously. It's a Square World Did Music 407 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,240 for Man in a Suitcase, which is that very distinctive theme tune 408 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,000 which was later parlayed into the TFI Friday, 409 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,400 and he also did the theme tune to a sitcom which has never been 410 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,760 repeated but still lives on in popular memory meets the Wife. 411 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,600 Freddie Frinton and Thora Hood. Yes, yeah. 412 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,080 And you know why that's still as? 413 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,840 A teenager. It was absolutely wonderful. 414 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,760 Oh, did? Oh really? 415 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,840 Yes, well, I've seen a few. Oh well, I've probably seen them 416 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,040 all, but all you can remember is her trying to be posh and him 417 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:13,120 saying yes, I saw one more cop. Sorry I saw one, an episode 418 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,760 where they would they had a daughter, a grown up daughter 419 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,840 who was about to give birth or something and there was a Turkey 420 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,440 involved. I don't quite know, I can't 421 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,640 remember. But it it it lives on in in 422 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,560 popular memory for for one reason. 423 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000 Do you know what that is? Is it that German thing that's 424 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,480 on at every Christmas? Oh, with Freddie Frinton, 425 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Jennifer. What's it called? 426 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Dinner for one? Something like that, remember? 427 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,120 Yeah, it's not that. No, It's part of the lyrics of 428 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Good Morning, Good Morning by The Beatles, Sergeant Pepper. 429 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:50,000 People running round it's. 5:00 It's getting dark. 430 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,200 Everyone you see is full of life. 431 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,320 It's time for tea and leave the white. 432 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,720 Yeah, so the film begins. We've got this. 433 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,320 You said about the wrong grain of music. 434 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,480 It's it's I wrote down in my notes that, you know, the film 435 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,480 begins. It's got this mournful Hovis 436 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,880 type music I put. Yes. 437 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,040 So just just pre credit sequence titles, we see Richard 438 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,440 Attenborough's character being led to a cell by Patrick Newell. 439 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,760 Patrick Newell. Yes, my mind. 440 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,240 There was always mother in The Avengers That's right and but 441 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,840 the film proper opens in a what is it like an anti Chamber of of 442 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,480 court something like that. It's. 443 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,760 It's the outside bit, you know. The courtrooms all come off 444 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,600 there and what have you and everyone sits around. 445 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,920 There's rows and chairs, yes. Like a waiting room, really. 446 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,800 And a doctor's in A&E department, but background and 447 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,000 you got the vicar from Dad's Army. 448 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,400 Yes, Frank Williams, well, of course has. 449 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,560 There's a very good connection there. 450 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,960 And as much as Dad's Army was there, Clyde Dunn, who was in a 451 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,040 regular and it's a square world. That's right. 452 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,200 Indeed, there's a couple of films I've seen Frank Williams 453 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,400 in playing completely, because you you always think of him as 454 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,280 the vicar, don't you? Well, it was playing. 455 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,600 You can't imagine playing a gangster, let's put it that way. 456 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,680 Well then, well, you say that there's a film, There's a one. 457 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,960 I mentioned Stanley Baker before. 458 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,280 There's a wonderful Stanley Baker film from 1966 called or 459 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,200 67 called Robbery, which is based on The Great Train 460 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,480 Robbery. And there's a scene inside a 461 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,880 prison, and you've got Frank Williams as one of the, you 462 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,760 know. Really. 463 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080 A lifer, I suppose. I. 464 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,320 Don't know. I must have missed that. 465 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,480 I'll have to watch. It'll be again on talking 466 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,920 pictures, so I'll have to watch that again and see if I can spot 467 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Frank Williams as a defrock vicar giving life in prison. 468 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,040 He's arranging for Frank Finley to be sprung from the prison. 469 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,400 And so yeah, so we've got him as one of the there's there's a 470 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,520 couple of barristers discussing chocolate for some reason. 471 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,520 So it's him. And there's a woman who looks a 472 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,560 bit like Ann Reed. Yeah, but isn't. 473 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,200 But isn't. And you've got a couple of 474 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,760 police constables flirting with each other, male and female 475 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,520 flirting with each other. And then we first see Sellers as 476 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,960 Wilfred Morgan Hall. What age would you say he's 477 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,240 meant to be? 50s, I'd have said, yeah, OK, 478 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,840 yeah. Bit older than you, yes. 479 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,920 And and he goes down into the cells to see. 480 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800 And he looks quite distinguished and businesslike at that stage, 481 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,920 doesn't he? As if he knows what he's doing. 482 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,960 Yeah, we'll come to this, but, but at first you think that, 483 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,600 yes, he's probably a very experienced barrister who knows 484 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,120 what he's doing and then things start to come apart later in the 485 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,480 film. But the next scene, really, 486 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400 things start to fall, I suppose. Yeah, doesn't. 487 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,200 Introduce himself, does he? Oh, that's right. 488 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,600 Because he goes down to the cells to see his client, who is 489 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,720 Herbert Fowl, played by Richard Attenborough, and he looks 490 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,880 Morgan Hall. Yeah, you actually see on his 491 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,560 face he looks mildly excited, which is unusual for, I suppose, 492 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,280 for an experienced barrister. He's worried because he thinks 493 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,400 Fowl is about to hang himself, because he's looking out the 494 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,600 window. Isn't he, now at the prison cell 495 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,480 bars at Epping Forest? Yeah. 496 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120 Epping Forest. And he doesn't. 497 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,600 He doesn't do. He just says we're going to be 498 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:43,080 friends, which if somebody in a prison came up and said that to 499 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,760 you, you'd get the wrong idea, wouldn't you? 500 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,880 And not only that, a foul that he says to him. 501 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,000 Something like family, OK, you pay them, right? 502 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,720 He thinks the guy's. He thinks Morgan Hall is 503 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:03,400 mentally ill Well as I said Attenborough is this right away 504 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,560 you can you can tell he's a very, he's a little man isn't he 505 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,120 in every sense. And he's he's meek. 506 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,600 He's his concentration drifts and seems the only thing that 507 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,840 excites him or interests him really is budgies because he he 508 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,280 he used to run before he was arrested. 509 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,960 He ran a small seed shop. Never seen a seed shop, I have 510 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,160 to be honest. Well, I just. 511 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,480 I assume that you buy seeds from a pet shop. 512 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,560 That I did. I didn't think you there were 513 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,080 shops that just specialised in seeds. 514 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,120 It's a lot of people, their own budgies. 515 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,080 At first I thought it was a seed merchant who sold seed to 516 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,560 farmers and so on, but no, he he sells budgie seed and all right, 517 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,800 you had specialist shops a lot more back then, but I've never 518 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040 seen a seed shop. There we are. 519 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,680 No. Well in any case. 520 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440 And he's he's it. It's straight away you get you 521 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,040 get the impression that he's he's accepted the fact that you 522 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,400 know he's in prison. Nothing he can do about it. 523 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,840 He's got this kind of defeatist, yeah, attitude and and Morgan 524 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,240 Hall is energized by this whole. He gets angry at first. 525 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,720 Well, see, if I may say so, Mr. Cloud, who have adopted an 526 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,360 unpleasantly selfish attitude. Selfish. 527 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,360 Dogging the Manger. Dogging the Manger, Yes. 528 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Unenthusiastic. You mean unenthusiastic. 529 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,440 Foul. I'm. 530 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,680 I'm sorry. Foul. 531 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,600 I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. 532 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,960 But there's so much of this about nowadays, so much of this. 533 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,040 Ready made entertainment. All these free billiards. 534 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480 National Health television, not the. 535 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,360 There's not the spirit of. Fraud. 536 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,280 That they used to be you. You feel that foul. 537 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,480 Whatever I've done. I've always been mustard keen on 538 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,160 my work. I never lost a vision, though in 539 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,680 all my disappointments I've never ever lost the love of the 540 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,720 job. Morgan Hall had been a very 541 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,080 ambitious young man with all the privileges and a fine future 542 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,840 potentially ahead of him, but he hadn't. 543 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,480 But we we we come to find out he never got the brakes. 544 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,280 Really. Well, yes. 545 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,200 First didn't deserve them. Yeah, there's a first flashback. 546 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,920 Isn't there a charm? We'd already had Christmas 547 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,000 carols to sing by them because it yes, it reminds me a bit of 548 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,240 that where you see the two of them, you know, looking out 549 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,400 through the lattice windows with more bars but you know the the 550 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,280 when the ghosts or have you just that's probably just a familiar 551 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,760 trope that you've Yeah. Well, they use back projection, 552 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,440 which sometimes works better than in some scenes. 553 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,000 It works better than it does in others. 554 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,760 And we see a younger Wilfred Morgan Hall at his studies at 555 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,520 university. That's right. 556 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,400 So it's probably late 20s, early 30s, something like that. 557 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,320 Well. Music suggests that. 558 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,880 And the clothes, yeah. And he won't abandoned his 559 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,120 studies to enjoy himself like his friends. 560 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,400 We see, we see some of his friends down in the courtyard 561 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,920 sort of calling up to his rooms, encouraging him to come out, you 562 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,280 know. And then one of them is dancing 563 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,440 at Charleston, I think. Yeah, I think it must have been 564 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,440 the 30s look, thinking about it because, yeah, it must be 565 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,160 because reference to the war later on. 566 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,720 So yeah, that's true. Well, we see a female character 567 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880 played by the actress Audrey Nicholson. 568 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960 Now, did you, do you know anything about Audrey Nicholson? 569 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,880 Apart from the fact she has very little to do in this film, no, 570 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,320 now she's set up as eventually she's revealed as being AI, 571 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320 suppose his girlfriend. Although I don't, I don't know 572 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,560 how how strong the relationship is. 573 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,400 But he said he was going to ask her a certain question in five 574 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,880 years time. So, oh, once he was successful, 575 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,760 he made some money. Yeah, but Audrey Nicholson was a 576 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,800 good friend of Sellers, OK, by association with her husband. 577 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,040 And now, ever guess who? Her husband. 578 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,280 It was, Oh dear. I'm not very good at this sort 579 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,679 of guessing thing. Paul Mortimer? 580 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,880 No Graham Stark. Oh, oh, all right. 581 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,199 OK. So the sellers and the Starks 582 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,480 would often go on holiday together and so. 583 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,360 Very close, weren't they? Yeah, she was in that 584 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:29,360 documentary about him. It was recently reshown. 585 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,719 She was, Yes, she was. She's still going. 586 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,000 She's still with us I think, yeah. 587 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:40,360 And we see this as this examination and and he gets his 588 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,239 results and he's quite happy because he's scraped home, but 589 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:50,880 he's delighted, doesn't he? Yes, a class degree, but he 590 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,920 quotes a bit of Latin which I couldn't quite make sense of. 591 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,880 I tried to but apart from paterfamilias and infragranti 592 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,680 delecto the rest of it. Well, Latin is not very good. 593 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,880 Joe, is there? No. 594 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,640 Well, Boris Johnson would have understood it. 595 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,120 He take the character takes Chambers and anticipates a 596 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:14,080 healthy legal practice, and then we we kind of see a passage of 597 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,680 time which which covers years where he just seems to be 598 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,120 spending his days doing crosswords while he's waiting 599 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,320 for a brief. But the crosswords are out of 600 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,480 sync. You know he's supposed to be 601 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,040 doing the times crossword, but you don't get them in order. 602 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,200 You know the the numbers double over the place. 603 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,280 I don't know if that's a mistake or just just kept it right. 604 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,600 I didn't notice it. We will do next time, right? 605 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,840 Yeah. The, as I say, there's obviously 606 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,760 a number of years past the Audrey Nicholson character we 607 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,320 understand was killed during the war. 608 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,600 And of course, Morgan Hall is relating all this to Herbert 609 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,040 Fowl in the prison cell. And when he mentions about this 610 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,600 lady friend of his dying in the war, Fowl cuts in and says it 611 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920 was a tragic pity that his wife hadn't been called up. 612 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160 And he says we must carry on about you. 613 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,920 Of course she hasn't done at all. 614 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,720 That's the point which he finally tells him. 615 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,720 He's a barrister. I've had all this preamble about 616 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:20,880 his life. He's such a rather self obsessed 617 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,520 person, shall we say. He's gone this far with his. 618 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,320 Client. And now finally tells him I'm 619 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,440 your barrister. Well, he's never had. 620 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,920 He's never been in this position before. 621 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,200 I suppose so he panicked and and then Herbert fell. 622 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,320 He's in. We we come to understand that 623 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:43,480 he's in prison because he killed his wife and and fell freely 624 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,440 admits it. He freely admits it. 625 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,840 Yes, I did it. And who killed her? 626 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:52,280 Me and Morgan Hall hesitates and Sellers does that. 627 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,440 Wonderful eye darting thing that he did so well and and you can 628 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,520 see his the the cogs turning in his head and he's thinking and 629 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,480 he's he's there's there's a look of panic almost on his face and 630 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,080 then he tells foul he said he tells FAL that he's a person of 631 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,720 very limited intelligence. I've all the respect to the 632 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:16,760 world for your opinions, but you're a man of limited yes, you 633 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,320 think you killed your wife. And and FAL just nods his head 634 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,520 in agreement. That's the thing, Fal never 635 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,240 There's never a flicker of any real emotion on his face. 636 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,720 There's never any other than just sort of resignation, if you 637 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,400 like, to his lot. They deserve each other, don't 638 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,000 they? They do and and this is where 639 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,440 Morgan, who reveals that Herbert Fell is his first Doc Brief. 640 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,080 And luckily we then get a little bit of explanation as to what a 641 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,800 Doc Brief is. So criminals who have no money 642 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,160 or friends or family are entitled to choose a barrister 643 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,240 at random, and the the barrister is recompensed on a modest 644 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,480 scale, he. Says for people with no money 645 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,720 and no furniture. Fortunately, you're one of them. 646 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,280 Yes. Successful lawyers run a mile 647 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,080 before the dot brief is given away because they don't want 648 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,160 that sort of that sort of business. 649 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,760 But the regulars who aren't successful, the the, you know, 650 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,280 the losers, I suppose you'd call them that. 651 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,640 They they sit and wait and hope that they will be chosen by the 652 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,960 accused, and John Junkin is one of them. 653 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,760 And they will. They will sit there in a row, 654 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,720 sort of smiling, winking, cajoling, trying to catch the. 655 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,480 Yes, without being obvious about it. 656 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,360 They're trying to track their attention. 657 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,920 And you think Morgan Hall's been there for about 30 years? 658 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,560 The law of averages? Surely to God he must have been 659 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,120 chosen before Before now. All right. 660 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,440 And he convinces himself it's because he's sat in the wrong 661 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,280 position. Well, that's right, because 662 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,880 Tuppy Morgan always got the plum seat. 663 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,040 But he was off one day. He was off this day. 664 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,800 So Morgan Hall took his seat and foul chose him. 665 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,000 And then and he believes Morgan Hall deeply, deeply believes 666 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,840 that it was fate that you know that foul chose him. 667 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,720 Tuppy Morgan not being there, you know, Don't. 668 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:18,760 He's ill or or dead. Not a lot of concern for his 669 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,240 fellow barrister there, but yeah, foul then burst his bubble 670 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,640 as he as he does on a number of occasions in this film. 671 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,320 He just basically admits he closed his eyes and pointed at 672 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,440 random and and Morgan was a bit put out by this and said it 673 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,280 might have been kinder if he kept me in ignorance. 674 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,560 Of that try to remember I'm a fellow man, my hopes have pinned 675 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,240 on you. It's one of those moments that 676 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,680 there are a few in the film where Morgan Hall has to come, 677 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640 where foul forces Morgan to come face to face. 678 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,640 Of the fact that he's not very good things aren't working for 679 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,760 him accidentally and and and in a humorous way that he's so down 680 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,360 to earth foul. No, no, no no. 681 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,720 Morgan Hall's so much head in the clouds every now and again 682 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,520 he, just as you say, punctures the bubble rocking was crashed 683 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,280 back to Earth. Well, he's a dreamer, isn't he? 684 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,560 Morgan Hall. Yeah, he is. 685 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,720 And whereas Fowl has never had an original thought in his life. 686 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,120 Exactly. Dreams are beyond him. 687 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,240 Morgan Hall starts taking notes and asks about Doris's nature. 688 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,120 Richard Attenborough bitterly says that his wife, because 689 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,800 because I think Morgan Hall wants to, once failed to confirm 690 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,560 that his wife was a real harridan. 691 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,280 Your wife was a bitter, unsympathetic woman. 692 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,040 Yeah, he's got every, every cliche trials in his head. 693 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,160 Doesn't he walk? You know, he seemed every time 694 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,720 and every time fails. No, no, it's not like that. 695 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,000 Yeah, that foul just abuses him of the of the notion he says 696 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,120 that she she laughed all day and night and we have another 697 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,640 flashback. And so in this Morgan Hall and 698 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:09,520 Fowl travel back, if you like to the the foul home and we see 699 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,360 Herbert Fowl arriving home after work one evening and Doris is 700 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,080 listening to something comedic on the radio and Gulf Waring and 701 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,320 and pulls Herbert's hat down and tries to get him to laugh. 702 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,280 And he's just just, he's just got this permanent hand dog 703 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,920 expression I had. The line about she She got all 704 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,000 sorts of jokes. Jokes from Christmas crackers, 705 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,720 she'd say from year to year. And she dropped them out in 706 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,880 August. Yeah, she laughed at everything. 707 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,800 After every. I mean she she is irritating. 708 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,360 When you see her you think for goodness sake woman, give us a 709 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,920 break. I just got home from work. 710 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,000 She is quite irritating, laughing all the while like 711 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,040 that, I have to say. I couldn't always laugh. 712 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,880 She'd be doubled up across the table, gasping as if her lungs 713 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,080 was full of water. And in fact, I've shown so many 714 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,800 wild pics about the cereal for the Sunday. 715 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,960 Papers dig this. Benny written The Corn Spreaders 716 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:26,320 with Wild Oats. It really begs the question 717 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,760 because it's not a It's not a recent thing because even on 718 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,960 their wedding day, because you see Frank Thornton as the 719 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,880 wedding photographer. Yes. 720 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,080 Another Is the Square World regular? 721 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,160 Yes. Thornton the The photograph, the 722 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,840 wedding photograph, the barrel Reed character. 723 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,280 Doris is blurred because she's laughing so much. 724 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,160 She's right, Yes. An awful joke about their 725 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,880 surname. We're cock and hen. 726 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,600 I mean the best one in the world. 727 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:59,320 It's not that funny. No Morgan Hall. 728 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,400 I wrote this down and I think there's a lovely line, Morgan 729 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,200 Hall says to Foul. There's a certain Sunday evening 730 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,760 appearance to you. Yes. 731 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,160 I don't know what that means. Well, I took it to me. 732 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,000 You know what? Sunday evenings are always quite 733 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,640 depressing, aren't they? Oh, right. 734 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,240 Yeah, I understand. Yes, of course. 735 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,800 It's it's Tony Hancock's Sunday afternoon thing, isn't it? 736 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,320 Well, you've got the Sunday fear thinking. 737 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,480 About work the next day, there's no there's no nothing going on. 738 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,440 There's no shops open. Of course, at that time on a 739 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,560 Sunday, the Songs of Praise or what have you, yes. 740 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,960 But of course, they didn't have a television, did they? 741 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,000 They only had the radio. Oh, didn't notice, did they not? 742 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,480 I didn't. Notice. 743 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,800 No, he didn't want the television. 744 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,280 Oh no, there's too much of this laughter and what have you. 745 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,280 True, it was television for it, but but you get the impression 746 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,400 that she wears the trousers, so I'm surprised that she hadn't 747 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,600 sort of insisted on it. You did. 748 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,440 She'd have been all over television, Doris. 749 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,080 Yes, you'd have thought so, But then again, I don't suppose 750 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,080 Currency Merchant earned a lot of money. 751 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,360 Probably not. He's got an Avery at the back. 752 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,680 Oh yes, for budgies. And he identifies with budgies. 753 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,720 And that's the only time he's really, truly happy is when he's 754 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:14,520 with his budgies. But she she's taught one of his 755 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,720 budgies to say don't look so miserable it might never happen. 756 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,080 Oh my, that is so, so cruel, isn't it? 757 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560 It's her favorite saying to him. Yeah, the budgie got this. 758 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000 You can understand at that point why he contemplated violence. 759 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,440 It's not nice at all, is it? There we are. 760 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,960 And shall we sound the Dave Lodge klaxon? 761 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:42,840 Oh yes, I love the idea that The Lodger played by David Lodge. 762 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,800 Yeah, no, it's it's a performance by David Lodge. 763 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,440 I've never seen him do before where he's just basically the 764 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,160 the male version of Beryl Reed. In this he plays Frank Bateson, 765 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,080 who's this new lodger. He's an ex copper. 766 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,080 They called him The Scream of the Station and he immediately 767 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,720 bonds with Doris, with Beryl Reed's character. 768 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,840 They are, they are basically two peas in a pod in terms of 769 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,960 everything. Makes them laugh. 770 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,840 And. And immediately Morgan Hall 771 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,440 jumps to the conclusion. You know the cliche. 772 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,600 Aha, they were lovers, weren't they? 773 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,400 You can, you know. Again, he he only thinks in the 774 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,040 cliches, doesn't he? Yes. 775 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,000 And we see, we see Dave Lodge, you know, messing about with 776 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,560 whoopee cushions and a false beard and him and Doris are 777 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,760 dancing around the kitchen and and Dave Lodge, they're both 778 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,800 very good. Dave Lodge is very good in this. 779 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,680 Two nice kidneys. Lovely. 780 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,640 Oh, look at that. Yeah. 781 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,920 Lovely pair of eyes. Got my horoscope in there. 782 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,880 Come on, make yourself come. When were you born anyway? 783 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,960 September the 1st. Don't tell us you're a virgin. 784 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,920 Come on, what did you say? Laughter leads to love. 785 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,200 The weekend offers much scope to your cheerful disposition. 786 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:24,120 The touch of romance is in store on Saturday morning and and all 787 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,720 the while you've got Richard Attenborough sort of sitting in 788 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,280 at at sidelines just looking thoroughly miserable. 789 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,880 Reading Caged Birds Yeah wonderful line by Beryl. 790 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,800 Reading it where when they do one of their dreadful jokes and 791 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,440 she says he can never see anything subtle. 792 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,240 I think, I think it was flower falling on her head or something 793 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,720 like that, you know? Oh yeah, I mean, that would 794 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,680 drive. If somebody did that to me, I 795 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,760 would be furious. But she laughs at it. 796 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:04,640 She's quite happy. And Richard Attenborough says I 797 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,880 went to bed early and left them with the light program. 798 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:13,560 And it turns out that Fowl hopes he's pinning all his hopes on 799 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,360 Frank running away with Doris, the two of them running away 800 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,360 together. Yes. 801 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,800 He walks out to the Avery slowly and and and I just saw that when 802 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,280 he first put his knee under her. He's hoping something's going to 803 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,000 happen and seller's face then is wonderful, this sort. 804 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400 Oh no. Yeah. 805 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,320 And really, one of the few moments of sympathy that he 806 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,880 shows in it, you know, Oh no, yeah, yeah. 807 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,280 Just a little fleeting expression, which of course 808 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,720 Sellers was. Brilliant art. 809 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:42,840 Just brilliant art. Yeah. 810 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,520 All Fowl wanted was just to be left alone. 811 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,200 Silence. Apart from the twittering of his 812 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,760 budgies, that's all he wanted. And and he, as I say, he was 813 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,040 hopeful that this would happen and he gets home one evening and 814 00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,040 he walks into the hall and this slip is on the stairs and he 815 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,320 thinks a up. Here we go. 816 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,960 Catch them in the act or whatever goes up and Frank 817 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,040 Bateson's room is has been cleared. 818 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,600 All the stuff's gone and he goes down into the kitchen and 819 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,080 there's Doris ironing for once, not laughing. 820 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,480 No, and she tells. Yes, she tells Val that she 821 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,480 kicked out Frank Bateson for trying it on. 822 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,240 She says. I'm too respectable for that. 823 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,680 There's. Safety in marriage? 824 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,000 Yeah. Strange little and I guess be 825 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,720 better treated in those days. You know, a woman living in sin 826 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,560 would not be very popular in the neighbourhood. 827 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,920 I suppose that's what she means by it. 828 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,080 Suppose so. Yeah. 829 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,840 But you wonder how they got together. 830 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,320 What? What was the attraction between 831 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,440 the two, Really. I. 832 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,920 I don't know. An attraction of opposites, I 833 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,880 presume. But yeah, she felt sorry for her 834 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,400 maybe, I don't know. But she. 835 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,640 Thought she could cheer him up in life, Who knows? 836 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,040 Yeah, so. So internally, Fowl is reeling 837 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,280 by the fact that she's kicked out the lodger because there 838 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,960 goes his his last hope to get rid of Doris and he he kind of 839 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,360 staggers over to a chair. He sits down and there's a 840 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,200 whoopee. Cushion. 841 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,880 And that's like the final straw. And he cracks. 842 00:49:26,370 --> 00:49:29,050 And you don't see anything, but you just hear her screaming and 843 00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:31,010 budgies sort of flying into the air. 844 00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:33,610 Well, the the music there, there's some sort of jazz going 845 00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:35,410 on. It's brilliant the way it builds 846 00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:38,410 and builds and builds and then suddenly cut to the birds 847 00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:47,490 fluttering about the cage. Lovely bit of film making that, 848 00:49:48,010 --> 00:49:50,090 yeah. So he killed his wife because 849 00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:54,360 she wouldn't leave him. Yes, in those days, of course, 850 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,920 divorce was very much frowned upon. 851 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,520 So yeah, he sees it as his only option. 852 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,640 Yeah. And Morgan Hall is obviously 853 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,000 seen and heard all this, and he's quite despondent, you know, 854 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,240 because what he's fouled as such an unsympathetic character. 855 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,840 He says that, doesn't he? I can see you're an 856 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,280 unsympathetic figure, yeah. But then he hits upon an idea. 857 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,880 Because he's the eternal optimist, Morgan. 858 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,440 Like a brilliant stroke to save you. 859 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,720 Yes, the surprise witness. The surprise witness. 860 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,680 And this is where we get this sort of series of fantasy series 861 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,200 courtroom fantasies. Yes. 862 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,440 Yeah. And it's nice because the the 863 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,680 set that they're on, so they're in a prison cell and then they 864 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,040 walk out of the prison cell set and into a courtroom. 865 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,840 Yes, and he and Morgan Hall's got his wig on and he imagines 866 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,640 himself in court addressing the judge. 867 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,680 But the judge in this fantasy is foul. 868 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,200 Foul was cast as the judge on his head with a towel on his 869 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:03,680 head. Wig Foul looks very put out 870 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,280 about it. It's not what he wants to be 871 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,760 doing at this, no, because it requires a bit of creativity. 872 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,320 Doesn't. It, Morgan Hall tries to tell. 873 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,200 Tell me how horrible this judge is. 874 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,880 He draws a cliche judge, and he served in the Great War, giving 875 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,840 prisoners long sentences. Morgan Hall asks the judge if he 876 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,760 can introduce a surprise witness, and foul just says 877 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,160 yeah, yes. Fine and and and Sellers or 878 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,440 Morgan Hall is put out by this and he says an irregular 879 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,440 application for a surprise witness should elicit A refusal 880 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,840 of permission by the judge. What does foul do? 881 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,920 Does he? Does he just? 882 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,840 No, you cannot, Morgan Hall persuades him. 883 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,840 Then he says you don't know what he's going to say. 884 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,160 He could say he's innocent. He could say he's guilty as 885 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,280 you've already believed. And so he gives him permission 886 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,560 And of course, Morgan Hall is performing brilliantly as a 887 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,040 barrister. Oh, his fantasy barrister is 888 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,160 wonderful. Yeah, he's sharp, he's quick 889 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,680 witted. And then the surprise witness 890 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,320 appears. And again, it is foul as a 891 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,760 surprise witness. Yes. 892 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,040 He can't even think of a name for himself. 893 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,040 No, he has to think of a name and it takes the longest time to 894 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,480 think of Martin Jones and and as soon as he says Martin Jones, he 895 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,800 looks incredibly proud of the fact he's come up with his 896 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,720 brilliant name. And Morgan Hall thinks it's 897 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,400 wonderful. Yes, he starts to get foul, 898 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,760 starts to get drawn into these fantasies, doesn't he? 899 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,800 Roundabout. Now he's you can see he's 900 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:37,280 actually started to enjoy being Martin Jones and does actually 901 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,520 get into it and. He smiles, yeah. 902 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,800 For the first time in the film, he actually smiles and I wonder 903 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,720 whether there is a Martin Jones in his life, like a friend or an 904 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,920 acquaintance perhaps? Getting the impression there's 905 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,800 no one, really. No, I suppose not. 906 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,840 And and Morgan Hall cross examines Martin Jones and where 907 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,840 was foul when the crime took place. 908 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,800 And Martin Jones says he was at my house all evening playing 909 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,000 whist. Playing whist and just like 910 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,400 that, it's an open and shut case. 911 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,360 Herbert Fowler's Entirely innocent not Guilty. 912 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,480 That's right. And Sellers does the thing with 913 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,200 the with the the gown rapping about himself. 914 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,520 That's right. Yeah. 915 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,200 And. And it's how. 916 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,280 Comes out the wonderful line and reduce all police officers to 917 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,840 the rank of PC and he laughs the first. 918 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,360 I mean, he actually says something quite funny and laughs 919 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,200 for the first time in the film. Yeah, fantasy is. 920 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,640 He's actually enjoying it. And then we we're back in the 921 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,000 prison cell then, and Morgan Hall is is delighted with the 922 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,440 way things have gone and then foul with his usual 923 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,520 tactlessness, has to remind him that there's actually no 924 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,360 surprise witness that they've just made it up. 925 00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,400 You're a very good fellow, but don't interrupt my thinking, he 926 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,440 says. Morgan Hall says it's 927 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,160 remarkable. Without any legal training at 928 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,720 all, you've put your finger on the one fatal weakness in our 929 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:08,720 defense. You get the idea now why he 930 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,800 hasn't got any briefs. Yeah, and then he said. 931 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,360 And then he thinks what they should try and do is is frame 932 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,240 Bates and frame the lodger. Oh yeah, he says. 933 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,920 It'll come to me in an illuminated flash. 934 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,880 Hard brain work and and you know, he says, Morgan Hall says 935 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,240 my life depends on this case. His life. 936 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,080 Yes, his life. I mean fouls literally does. 937 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,080 Depend on her foul because of that time. 938 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,200 But I hung for it. Of course he would, Yeah. 939 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,600 And we get we we're back this fantasy courtroom where David 940 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,160 Lodge is there as Bateson and and he's being tied up in knots 941 00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:48,720 by the wonderful cross examination by by Morgan Hall 942 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:54,040 and. Bowl is is the shocked breathing 943 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,400 from the jury? Oh, yes. 944 00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,720 You know, is he really getting into these fantasies he's 945 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,240 actually enjoying? Morgan Hall says you and I are 946 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,640 learning to mocking together splendidly. 947 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,520 Morgan Hall basically pins it on Bateson, he said. 948 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,880 You were enraged that Doris wouldn't go away with you, so 949 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,040 you murdered her and case closed. 950 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,240 Really simply. And then again, again, back in 951 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,240 the cell. Foul has to keep bursting his 952 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,680 bubble A. Little Hitch, he said After 953 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,480 Bateson left the house, he was arrested for pinching an alarm 954 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,120 clock and a neighbour that actually saw Doris alive 2 hours 955 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,960 later. So they know that he can't have 956 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:37,920 murdered. Her. 957 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,560 Yes, and Morgan Hall says. All my life I've stood up to the 958 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,400 winds of criticism. I'm quite used to it. 959 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,400 I found that a little bit jarring because Bates, an ex 960 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,320 policeman stealing an alarm clock and half a bottle of port. 961 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,520 I thought he could have found a better excuse. 962 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,000 Well, that's the thing. Because he he stole them from 963 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,280 the fouls. So we must assume that Doris 964 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,760 shopped him to the police. Did she must have done? 965 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,960 No. No, no, no. 966 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,360 Because you don't just get arrested for just walking around 967 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,400 in possession of an alarm clock and a pile of Sherry, do you? 968 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:24,080 Anyway, And again, Morgan Halls trying to desperately trying to 969 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,040 think how to you know how to breakthrough this case. 970 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,200 Tuppy Morgan always told him to question any medical evidence. 971 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,160 Go for the doctor. Go for the doctor. 972 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,760 But he can't. Do that fantasy because he's 973 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,240 interviewing himself. Well, that's the point when I 974 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,520 said earlier there's a there's a bit where Sellers almost plays 975 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:41,880 another character and then doesn't. 976 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:48,800 Yes, because you see Morgan Hall trying to summon up a doctor in 977 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,080 the dock and it's himself, it's it's Morgan Hall. 978 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,600 Essentially cross examining Morgan Hall. 979 00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,640 Richard Dattenberg plays several roles, is he not? 980 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,240 No. That's a misconception, Peter. 981 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,440 Actually, neither of us play multiple role roles. 982 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,680 A multiple role. That would be right, wouldn't 983 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,360 it? Yes, anyway. 984 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,120 Have a multiple role for breakfast? 985 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,960 No. Multiple role in Barber, 986 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,520 multiple role in barter? Yeah. 987 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,800 Morgan Hall suggests that Doris died of a heart attack. 988 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,200 It could have been brought on by a fit of laughter at a joke on 989 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,680 the wireless. I don't see. 990 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,640 I don't get that because she didn't die of a heart attack she 991 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,680 was murdered by. Foul because this is a desperate 992 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,480 lie of defence, isn't it? Yeah. 993 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,160 The funny thing is, foul thinks it's wonderful and applauds him 994 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,240 at the end of it. Yeah. 995 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,400 And Morgan was like, you keep putting these difficulties in my 996 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,320 way. Yeah. 997 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,000 In the fantasy judge foul attempts to sum up. 998 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:55,360 And ultimately the jury which is foul finds foul not guilty And 999 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,640 to to to massive chairs and cameras going off and and all 1000 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,400 sorts. And then, and then Morgan Hall, 1001 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,040 they they stride back into the prison cell. 1002 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,240 And Morgan Hall was imagining, now that, you know, he's the 1003 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,800 most successful barrister in London, he's, he'd been offered 1004 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,280 1000 Guineas to divorce a Duchess. 1005 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,600 Yeah, he's been. He's been transported upon a 1006 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,040 current of whimsical wish fulfillment, and he's loved 1007 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,400 every minute of it. And he says, what a wonderful 1008 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,640 new life you brought me. Yeah, But then he's brought back 1009 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,640 to Earth with a thump. Yes, because Patrick Newell 1010 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,640 walks in and says that foul has to go up for the trial. 1011 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,120 And Morgan more literally goes in the dock with him. 1012 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,960 Yeah. And we see. 1013 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,880 So, yes. So we we see the actual trial or 1014 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,360 the beginning of the actual trial. 1015 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,040 You've got to, the judge reminded me, I don't know if you 1016 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,560 felt this. The judge at first I thought was 1017 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,280 that it can't because he's too old. 1018 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,200 He reminded me of Ivor Cutler and and we see there's obviously 1019 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,480 the prosecuting counsel and there's there's Morgan Hall 1020 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,360 who's the defense counsel. And Morgan Hall was totally 1021 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,280 unprepared. He's scrambling around for bits 1022 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,880 of paper. He's he's jittery. 1023 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,480 He's just completely out of his depth. 1024 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,920 And tries to open his defense before the prosecution said a 1025 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,960 word. Yeah. 1026 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,280 And the prosecution? The prosecuting counsel is 1027 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:25,440 called Perkins and it's an actor called Tristram Jelly Neck who I 1028 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,680 recognized. And I had to confirm it on IMDb, 1029 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,600 but I thought I'd recognize it. He played. 1030 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,120 Are you a fan of 1 Foot in the Grave? 1031 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,880 Oh, very much so, Yes, he There's an episode called Warm 1032 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,280 Champagne which is 1 where Margaret very nearly has an 1033 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,840 affair. It's the one where she comes 1034 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,440 home and Victor's in bed with an 80 year old woman. 1035 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:57,480 Not not deliberately, but anyway, the character, the 1036 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,920 character that Margaret almost has an affair with is someone 1037 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,680 they met on holiday and a character called Ben. 1038 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,120 And he is played by Tristram Jelly Neck, who played Perkins 1039 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,200 in this It's a wonderful episode. 1040 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,960 Warm champagne. And by the way, I don't know if 1041 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,960 I've mentioned this before on this podcast, but I am a huge 1042 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,520 fan of 1 Foot in the Grave and I have appeared on the 1 Foot in 1043 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,560 the Grave podcast talking about the episode Wisdom of the Witch. 1044 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,840 And that was from a couple of years ago. 1045 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,800 So it's 1 foot in the podcast if people want to check that out. 1046 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,360 I was on that talking about Wisdom of the Witch, I think in 1047 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,720 February 2021, I think something like that, if you want to check 1048 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,640 that out. Sorry, a little bit of self 1049 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,080 promotion there. Was two years younger. 1050 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,600 Me at school. Was the same school was two 1051 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,040 years younger. It was sort of someone that 1052 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,840 people knew. I didn't know him personally, 1053 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,760 but it was, it was someone known about the places. 1054 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,440 Oh, OK, Quite a character, yes. Well, obviously I had him on the 1055 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,320 show. Very nice man. 1056 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,160 He is. Yes he is. 1057 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,000 And as you say, 1 Foot in the Grave is absolutely phenomenal 1058 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,880 writing and acting. Tristram Jelly Neck, which is 1059 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,040 what a what a name. I saw him. 1060 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,000 It was a great adaptation of the Robert Harris book selling 1061 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,240 Hitler on Channel 4. He was in that. 1062 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:21,760 He was in whoops. Apocalypse. 1063 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,480 David David Renwick again. Morons from outer space. 1064 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,520 Top secret out of Africa. Lots of things. 1065 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,320 And anyway Perkins is the prosecuting counsel who's 1066 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,240 clearly all over his brief on top of everything, you know, 1067 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:41,000 totally professional, begins the prosecution and the the the 1068 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,960 essentially the character assassination of foul OK And 1069 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:45,560 then it. And then it. 1070 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,160 Just the cuts. Doesn't even know who Morgan 1071 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,040 Hall is, is he has to be told by the clerk who it is. 1072 01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,440 Oh yes, name wrong. Morgan Hull. 1073 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,600 Yeah, and he's withering about him. 1074 01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,760 He embarrassed that you should know better and, yes, almost 1075 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,280 sees Sellers as Morgan Hall shrink. 1076 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,520 Well, the scene then abruptly cuts, and This is why I wondered 1077 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,240 whether this was partly, you know, cut out of the DVD version 1078 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,680 or the American cut. But we see a despondent Wilfred 1079 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,400 Morgan Hall leaving the courtroom at the end of the 1080 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,480 proceeding. But it's also done for dramatic 1081 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,520 effect, isn't it? You don't want to see too much 1082 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,480 of The Trial because of the scenes that follow you. 1083 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,720 You want that true? That's true. 1084 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,960 It may be absolutely. It may well be that this is 1085 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,080 exactly, you know, as this was as in the original cut. 1086 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,760 I don't know. But he's lost the case. 1087 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:43,480 We know that He goes off, he he sort of wanders off to a pub and 1088 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,040 he keeps rerunning the case over in his mind what he should have 1089 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,000 said. I should have said that I should 1090 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,880 have, what I should have done, I should have, you know. 1091 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,800 It was absolutely, 100% more powerful in his fantasy, but he 1092 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,240 crumbled under the glare of reality. 1093 01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,960 Really. Exactly, yes. 1094 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:05,680 And in the pub he asked for half of mild, Yeah, which is 1095 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,880 appropriate. Yes. 1096 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,480 And he gets half, half of his half mild spilt on his eye. 1097 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,320 Now, is it by Perkins? Is that Perkins? 1098 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,600 I was going. To ask you the same question 1099 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,320 yeah I think it is him because for a start he's recognised by 1100 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,680 the barman. It's obviously he's it's the pub 1101 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,880 next to the court so he yes Perkins must be there as a 1102 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,520 barrister quite frequently asked for the usual and knows the the 1103 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,560 barmaid's name and what have you so I presume so and he's sort of 1104 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,480 very matter of fact getting along with it and Morgan Hall 1105 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,840 was dejected and. Was it? 1106 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,760 He says. Poor Fowle. 1107 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,520 He'd be taking this very much to heart, yeah. 1108 01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,640 Yes. And I'm thinking might be 1109 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,880 presumably I think it was it's the morning of the execution or 1110 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,000 anticipated execution. I wasn't too sure what it was. 1111 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,480 Is it just Morgan Hall visiting him after? 1112 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,000 Well, you see the big you see the front of the prison and you 1113 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,720 see the the notice board, and I think they post when there's an 1114 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,560 execution. When there was going to be a 1115 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,400 hanging, they would post something on the notice board 1116 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,240 outside the prison gates. I think that's what this is 1117 01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,800 meant to imply, that it's the morning of what's supposed to be 1118 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,960 Foul's execution and Morgan Hall is there, but foul isn't in 1119 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,280 there. Foul comes back into the cell. 1120 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,840 He's been He'd been invited by the governor to go and see him, 1121 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,560 and it turns out that the Home Office has issued A reprieve. 1122 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,840 Yes. That's a government department, 1123 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,360 isn't it? Says Phil. 1124 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:42,960 Phil's kind of happy about it, but he's, you know, you know, he 1125 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,200 manages a smile. But Morgan Hall? 1126 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,360 You'd think Morgan will be delighted on his behalf. 1127 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,120 But Morgan Hall just looks disturbed and he said. 1128 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,920 This is the point where the relationship changes, isn't it? 1129 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,080 And suddenly Morgan Hall's sitting down, looking up at 1130 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,240 Foul. Who's standing? 1131 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,120 You know and. And you can see all these 1132 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,280 fantasies all ending here, can't you? 1133 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,120 It's what do you face the reality of actually what 1134 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,360 happened? But why should you be free? 1135 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:19,760 Well, it seems that the trial was no good at all. 1136 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,680 No good. But why? 1137 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:28,160 No particular reason. Mr. Farr. 1138 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,800 There must be a reason. Nothing happens in law without a 1139 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,400 reason. Well, you won't care to hear. 1140 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,040 Tell me why This governor, who knows nothing of the law, should 1141 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,880 have called our one and only trial together. 1142 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,800 No good. Mr. File, you must answer me. 1143 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,920 My legal career may depend on it if I'm not to have wasted my 1144 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:53,880 life on useless trials. You really want to know? 1145 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,840 Yes, Yes, yes. Well. 1146 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:08,600 He said that the the barrister they chose for me was no good an 1147 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:15,040 old crock in his words, that he never said a word in my defence 1148 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,920 and so my case never got to the jury. 1149 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:25,360 He he said the whole thing was if it's so null and void but I'd 1150 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,800 better be careful in the future. So yes. 1151 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,600 So we we then learned that it looks like Morgan Hall 1152 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,120 completely dried during the actual trial suffered from the 1153 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,840 the legal equivalent of stage fright. 1154 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,200 I didn't say a word. Yeah, in defence of his client. 1155 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,760 Absolutely crushed at this point, doesn't it? 1156 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,240 Absolutely crushed and it's foul that cheers him up. 1157 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,640 At this point, your artful has paid off the dumb tactics. 1158 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,280 It saved me, yeah. If he'd been if I'd had a 1159 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,160 barrister who'd asked questions and made clever speeches, then 1160 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,200 I'd be dead as mutton. Yeah. 1161 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,040 Oh, I love the way he he presumes it was deliberate. 1162 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,000 Yeah. Oh, yes, that's right. 1163 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000 Yeah. Fell thinks it was. 1164 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,240 It was. Yeah. 1165 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:14,760 Planned. Yes. 1166 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:20,400 Intentional. And then And then Morgan Hall, 1167 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:27,160 defeated, completely defeated, says go back to your birds and 1168 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,680 and and they both leave the prison with. 1169 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,560 He says. I don't suppose it's likely 1170 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,520 you'll ever marry again or commit some trivial offence. 1171 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,320 Oh yeah, because he's desperate to work with him again. 1172 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,600 Well, yeah, they've got a friendship, haven't they? 1173 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,360 You know, they're sort of an odd couple, if you like. 1174 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,600 There's sort of, that's it, the last scene where they walk off 1175 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,360 over Westminster Bridge. Together, he says. 1176 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,880 After, you know, after you and they walk off over Westminster 1177 01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,200 Bridge. It's delightful because halfway 1178 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,200 across Morgan Hall gives this little skip. 1179 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,880 Little dancing skip, that's right, again. 1180 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,720 And foul joins in. Well, you think, OK, the the the 1181 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:15,040 two lonely men, yeah, probably have no friends and that they 1182 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,479 are now friends and they can perhaps continue to have these 1183 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,000 little fantasies. Yeah, yeah, they can. 1184 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,600 Yes, exactly. It's it's it's that end bit I 1185 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,160 just think is wonderful. Just that little skip on the 1186 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,359 bridge. Yeah. 1187 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,319 Oh, brilliant. And did you notice the end 1188 01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,760 titles, the budges? They're facing the other way and 1189 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,359 they're right close together. Oh, it didn't pick up on that. 1190 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,399 Yeah. All right. 1191 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,760 And they're really close, so Absolutely. 1192 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,840 But it's a jamber film. Anyone that hasn't seen it? 1193 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,439 I just. Go and watch it because the two 1194 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:56,319 of them give such brilliant performances and I often cite 1195 01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:00,640 Roger Lewis on this podcast. Some people love him, some 1196 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:05,040 people hate him and. I couldn't get on with the book. 1197 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,960 I got to be honest, I tried to read it on your recommendation 1198 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:16,920 and yeah, I found it difficult. Well, yeah, I enjoy it. 1199 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,160 I but I I read between the lines a lot of it, if you know what I 1200 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,240 mean, and it is useful for the for information. 1201 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:26,319 Yes, factual information as well. 1202 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,160 It's got almost too much factual information. 1203 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,640 Yeah, yeah. But Roger Lewis, in his book on 1204 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,640 Sellers, you know, he talks about this film a little bit and 1205 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,960 and it's just coming back to what we said at the beginning of 1206 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,520 the conversation he says about this film. 1207 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,399 He says the film is full of cages, locks, bolts. 1208 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,240 When the sunlight shines on a wall, the striped shadows form 1209 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,200 bars. Salas is wonderful, oscillating 1210 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,120 between Borgan Hall's hopefulness and hopelessness. 1211 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,520 And when he says, oh foul, the wonderful new life you've bought 1212 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,080 me, we know that he'll screw up in his big day in court. 1213 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,400 And he duly does lose his papers, drop his legal tones 1214 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,000 with a clatter and forget his speech. 1215 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,760 He dries like an actor, and he's derided by the judge and jury. 1216 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,560 I only had to open my mouth, he says later and pour out words. 1217 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,960 And Lewis goes on to compare Morgan Hill. 1218 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,000 He says Morgan Hill could be seen as a sombre version of 1219 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,800 Pluso. Yes, Likewise. 1220 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,160 Yeah, he learns to live with ridicule to such an extent, 1221 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,960 indeed, that ridicule becomes a consolation. 1222 01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:37,640 So yeah, I mean it's it's it's pretty one of the lesser note. 1223 01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,920 Well it is one of the less known Sellers films but it's a it's a 1224 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,200 great character and and Sellers in black and white is. 1225 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:50,400 Rarely off kilter, yes. And playing older men, yes. 1226 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,160 And as I say, people with delusions of adequacy. 1227 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,560 Which again is close though, isn't it? 1228 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,400 He's brilliant at that. Yeah. 1229 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,800 I think it's a film that everyone should seek out. 1230 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,680 If they haven't seen it, it will turn out probably on talking 1231 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,360 pictures TV again at some point soon. 1232 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,880 I hope so. People who listen to this 1233 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,240 podcast go and give it a look because it is well worth it. 1234 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,080 And this is a film you can watch more than once and still get 1235 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,920 quite a lot out of it. You know, despite the you know, 1236 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,240 once you know what's going to happen in it. 1237 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,640 We've given away the plot, shall we say it's still worth watching 1238 01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,400 just for their performances, Yeah, Richard Attenborough in 1239 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,120 particular. Yeah, I'd say both of them. 1240 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,560 I think it's one of the sellers performances that I really love. 1241 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,080 That Fred Kite and some of his old men and what have you when I 1242 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,000 like him best. The wrong box. 1243 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,880 Another one, Yeah. And and Battle of the Sexes. 1244 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,160 He plays an older man. He wants to the Toradors. 1245 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,280 I mean also the Toradors. Have you seen that? 1246 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,160 Many years ago we had done. It's one I watched as a teenager 1247 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,920 so and I haven't seen it since. If it's on, I shall watch it. 1248 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,800 Well, it's again, I'm, I haven't seen it for years and it's when 1249 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,760 I should revisit, I think because I think I will get more 1250 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,400 out of it now at the age I am now than when I was because I 1251 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,680 would have been a teenager when I properly watched it. 1252 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,360 You know because it's not a, it's not a it's not a laugh out 1253 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,120 loud comedy film by any means and Sellers plays this sort of 1254 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:29,280 lecherous old major or general so. 1255 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,120 So there we go. So Roger, thank you for joining 1256 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,120 me today. It's been my pleasure. 1257 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,240 I've enjoyed the conversation. Thank you very much and 1258 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,760 obviously this is, you know this, this is a fine Sellers 1259 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,280 film, but it's never going to make anyone's I guess top five 1260 01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:49,160 list of Sellers films. However, as I've previously 1261 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,560 said, at the end of this year I will be running down listeners 1262 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,400 top 20 Peter Sellers films and I think I've got Mark Cousins 1263 01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,320 lined up to be one of the guests on that and another guest or 1264 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,880 guests TBC. But if you haven't already sent 1265 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,920 me your favorite, you know your top three Sellers films, please 1266 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,840 message me on Twitter or my e-mail. 1267 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,440 You've done it, haven't you, Roger? 1268 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,360 Oh, I I usually any request like that. 1269 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,000 It's the same as after your podcast. 1270 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:22,280 I'll usually not just a like, but I'll put a comment on, on 1271 01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,320 your Twitter feed, you know, just to sort of let you know, 1272 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,000 there are people out there listening to it. 1273 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,400 Yes. Well, thank you. 1274 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:34,200 And and I've already got a big, big, you know, I've already got 1275 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,480 more or less a top 20. You probably have, and I suspect 1276 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:42,080 the dog brief won't be on there, but it'll be on mine, Shall we 1277 01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:48,320 say yes, I'd say I rate it above the mouse that roared and most 1278 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,120 people wouldn't. And I certainly rate it from 1279 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,560 least favorite film of his, which is Lolita. 1280 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,160 Oh. Oh, I'm sorry, it's just, have 1281 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,480 you read the book? I have read the book years ago. 1282 01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,560 I do quite like Nabokov. Yeah, I know it's a very 1283 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,840 problematic book, of course, but it's very well written for all 1284 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,080 that. It's very well written about a 1285 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,760 man's obsession, immoral illegal obsession and when in the film 1286 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,000 they upped the age from 12 to 15, it totally ruins it. 1287 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,320 Because there's a difference between a prepubescent girl that 1288 01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:32,440 you're obsessing over and a girl of 15 with a woman's body that 1289 01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:35,960 you're obsessing over. I just thought they'd ruined it. 1290 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,160 Sorry. Well, I quite enjoyed Lolita the 1291 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:46,600 film, but it's not. It's not one I would regularly 1292 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,680 watch, but I I quite enjoy it. I do like I do like me some 1293 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,720 James Mason. And yeah, James Mason is the 1294 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,400 best thing in it. So you know, Sue Lloyd is 1295 01:14:56,480 --> 01:15:02,240 totally, totally wrong. And like I say it, it's just if 1296 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,000 you read the book first and then see the film, you think there's 1297 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,200 not a lot of relationship there. No. 1298 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,000 But I would, I would do. I recommend the book. 1299 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,760 It's very well written. It's what I will say. 1300 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,840 Yeah, yeah. I read the book first, and the 1301 01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,560 book is brilliant, you know? Yeah. 1302 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,400 You feel for the man. Strangely enough, although he's 1303 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,480 morally repugnant, you still feel for him because it's so 1304 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,520 well written. Yes. 1305 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:33,320 Humbert. Humbert. 1306 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:34,960 Yes. Yeah. 1307 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,880 I remember reading the book when I was ill. 1308 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,880 I remember being in bed. I can't remember what was wrong 1309 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,640 with me. I just know that I was bed bound 1310 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,960 for a couple of days and we're probably talking 20 years ago. 1311 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:53,200 Yeah, but I just it completely was so absorbing the book it. 1312 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,400 Is so well written and write a foreign language. 1313 01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,280 It's oh God, yeah. Yeah. 1314 01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:03,040 You're sure incredible. What's the other book he wrote 1315 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,320 That. It's brilliant. 1316 01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:06,320 Pale Fire. Yeah. 1317 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,640 Yeah, there's that. This Pinin PNIN, which I 1318 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:15,640 struggled with, but I think of of those that I've read, Lily of 1319 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,560 his that I've read Lolita's the best. 1320 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,720 So, OK, all right. So yeah, as I say, if you 1321 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,880 haven't already sent me your top three Sellers films for the end 1322 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,280 of year poll, please do. I did that, yeah. 1323 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,000 What were your top three? I think it was. 1324 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,760 I'm all right. Jack would definitely be #1. 1325 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:39,280 And I suspect 2 way stretch and wrong arm of the law with the 1326 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,640 other two, right? But if you gave me a top five, 1327 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,200 it's possible that Doc Brief might creep in there. 1328 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,360 I suppose Pink Panther the first Pink Panther would be the other 1329 01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:55,320 film and smallest show on earth. Well, which I love. 1330 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,360 Yeah. Covered all them apart from the 1331 01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,720 Pink Panther, which I will be covering in December because it 1332 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,720 is the 60th anniversary of that film. 1333 01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,760 Like you plotting ahead like that. 1334 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,040 Very clever. Yeah. 1335 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:06,520 Yeah. The first pink. 1336 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,360 Oh and shot in the dark. Shot in the Dark is a my 1337 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,080 favorite Sellers film of. All time, that is. 1338 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:16,120 Those two films. I've actually got them recorded 1339 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,080 from VHF on. DVD I transferred quite a few 1340 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:24,680 old films from VHSDFDVD at some stage, and I've got them both on 1341 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:29,640 one DVD. And yeah, they're a pair of 1342 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,160 films that are brilliant after that. 1343 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:37,040 No, they're all sorry. I'm very fond of Return of the 1344 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,680 Pink Panther, but after that I find it. 1345 01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,640 They've melted dry by then, yeah, yeah. 1346 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,960 And as I say, without someone really to compete with. 1347 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,080 Sellers is not at his best. He needs someone to make him up 1348 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,960 his game. He does, Yeah. 1349 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,640 Here we go. All right, Roger. 1350 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,560 Well, listen. OK, we will speak again. 1351 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,440 Thank you again and. Tyler and I'd like to speak to 1352 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,920 you every time. Thank you and listeners, I will 1353 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,240 be back next week with another show, another guest. 1354 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,240 I'm not sure what it will be yet, but it will be brilliant 1355 01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:09,720 whenever it. Is. 1356 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,560 Of course it will. All right, you take care. 1357 01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,400 Bye, everybody. Bye. 1358 01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:15,160 Bye. Bye. 1359 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,400 I believe I'm cut out for the Court of Appeal. 1360 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,760 You see, there's piles of books, and when you put one down the 1361 01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,240 dust and the powdered leather rises and makes the Asher 1362 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,520 sneeze, the clock ticks. 3 old judges in Scarlett takes snuff 1363 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,960 with trembling hands foul. You will sit in the dark and not 1364 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,480 follow a legal word. And I'll give the judges all, my 1365 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,640 Lord, and get you off on a technicality.