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Hello children, Hello boys and 
girls. 

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I am keeper Stuart Granger. 
All the beach. 

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I welcoming you to the Chisletan
Zoo where today we have some 

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wonderful little animals for you
to see. 

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There is one of them now, in 
fact, that is Rita, the Bantam 

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cockrel. 
Is it male or female cockrel? 

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We don't know. 
We're having a scientist look 

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into him about that. 
Over there. 

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We have Dick the flightless 
hedgehog. 

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Hello, and welcome to Goon Pod, 
or as Sooty would say, my name 

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is Tyler Adams. 
And this time we're looking back

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at some classic children's 
television, mostly from the 

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1980s, in which Spike Milligan 
popped up here and there, TV 

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shows such as Super Grand, The 
Sooty Show, Pop's program and 

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Jack Anori. 
And joining me is returning 

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guest Chris Diamond, Sconer 
Diamond. 

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Apologies for the accent, 
listeners. 

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So it's. 
Yeah. 

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So Chris and I have a fun and at
times rambling chat and Chris, 

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Chris especially laments the 
passing of such inventive and 

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creative children's television 
programming. 

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As you know, we used to get back
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So you know, but we cover a lot 
of ground. 

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So I hope you enjoy the chat. 
What would you want to stop? 

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Should we Should we kick off 
with Super Grand? 

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Yeah. 
Because I sort of have a history

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with Supergran. 
Right. 

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Go on. 
When I know, when I say history,

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what I mean is I used to watch 
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Or you had you hadn't been 
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anything. 
I thought it was right. 

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Here's the thing. 
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what, 12-13 when I saw it I 
guess. 

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Yeah, I was 10. 
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In my head, I I thought it was 
much more sophisticated than it 

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actually was. 
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I had it as like really good 
special effects and quite a 

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quite a decent budget. 
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watched for this, not not not 
necessarily the case. 

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Well, at the time it's a bit 
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complain about or like Michael 
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complaining about the special 
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eighth in the 80s and how badly 
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I'm like, oh, you think it's 
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got you see it in its 
contemporary setting. 

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But then even if you look at it 
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nobody makes children programs 
or if they do that, there's 

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certainly no of the sort of 
scale of the the penetration, if

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you put it like that badly 
chosen one as they were then. 

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So I remember, I mean, I vividly
remember Super grand beginning 

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because it was such a big deal. 
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very night that it began because
it was Sunday. 

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No, I've got it says here on my 
little note that it was the 20th

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of January 1985. 
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that's a Sunday because of 
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occur. 
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said last Sunday would be so 
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that early 1985. 
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us sledging. 
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home so that we could get our 
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time to watch Super grand 
because it was like everywhere 

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it was. 
It was going to be that Titanic 

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production and, and also because
a lot, a lot of kids, including,

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I don't know if I had it on my 
sisterhood, but we certainly had

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a couple of super grand books 
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super grand books. 
Forrest Wilson. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So I mean, I'm not saying it's a

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sort of, you know, Harry Potter 
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know, the level of cultural. 
But then I don't think Forrest 

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Wilson was it ever became a 
horrible Internet troll either. 

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But but but it was, you know, so
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know, like there was a whole 
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books at the time, Like, you 
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the worst witch and rolled out 
books and things like that. 

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But you know, back with kids 
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See, I had, I had when I was 
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We had our own homegrown hero, 
if you like kids TV. 

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Well, kids, you call it like a 
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although they didn't call it 
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Yeah, there was this. 
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book called Terry and the Gun 
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of. 
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Written by Marjorie Taylor 
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Not quite though. 
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marry lad who gets involved with
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shady characters. 
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television around 85 I think, 
right? 

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And I've mentioned it quite a 
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they bought a cross to play the 
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Michael Benting. 
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Wow, that's amazing. 
Should help. 

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So he was he was my that was, 
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equivalent, I suppose, to 
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whatever short term. 
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series was being made, there was
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But anyway, that's that's by the
by. 

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But but Super Grand had 
everything that you wanted at 

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the time. 
As I say, I was 10 at the time. 

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So it had a great theme song, 
you know, Billy Corley's theme 

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song. 
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automatically. 
Amazing. 

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You know, I had a big build up, 
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level of excitement, yes, you 
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actually saw it and then it was 
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I mean, it was bad. 
It was just, it was all right. 

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So by the way, we are talking 
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we are going to talk about 
Supergran in general, but we are

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also going to focus on a 
particular episode because it is

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a it has a very special guest in
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obviously, and he and he appears
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the missing hissing, which I was
I've just looked at that. 

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That went out on April the 14th 
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listing and that was on a 
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So sandwiched in between here we
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bullseye. 
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There's a line up for you. 
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It was immediately before 
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Right, right in the groovy slot.
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Then highway with Sir Harry 
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Gloucester see that the bath 
time. 

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But sorry, I interrupted you 
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But yeah, I mean, the other 
thing, right? 

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I in my head, I just my memory 
obviously, because I wasn't 

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paying close attention and I 
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super grand in the last 40 
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But I had it in my head that it 
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indeterminate Scottish village 
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Yeah, that's. 
Not is it? 

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No, that's the that was, that 
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even at the time I remember I 
was thinking this is about weird

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because it's made by time tease.
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mean, everybody say I, you know,
forgive my philological 

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shortcomings, but it sounds like
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certainly in the Geordie 
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Yeah, the body is the scanner 
Campbell who's couldn't be more 

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Scottish. 
She's basically Charlie Engel. 

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Yes. 
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is and it's you know, is this 
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everybody else in that's a Jordy
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even then it seemed like why is 
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So that doesn't that kind of 
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purchase. 
But when you're a kid, you just 

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accept these kind of things like
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in Scotland or talk like that 
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It could be anywhere. 
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could be in the Borders, who 
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Isles, because these places 
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Zealand for some. 
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You're the the titular 
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she looked ancient then. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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But I think that was probably 
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she was 98 last year, then she 
was under 15, late mentally 50s.

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Of course. 
Yes, of course. 

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Which is the sort of equivalent 
of, you know, that favorite, you

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know, the fact that when on the 
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younger than I am now. 
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something, wasn't. 
It. 

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Yeah, yeah, just the terrible, 
the terrible thing I just 

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realized of ideas that in a 
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be the same age that Wilfred 
Bramley wasn't Cocoon. 

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I've passed that point mate. 
Oh, I've passed. 

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That point. 
Too bad, too bad. 

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So anyway, yeah, so but I mean, 
it's funny because super 

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grounding references people say 
in Northern like super ground 

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and all that dead processed. 
I mean that people would say, 

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you know, you still hear people 
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over there, but I'm not sure 
that I'm not sure the actual 

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program itself, you know, lives 
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It's one of those things where, 
you know, the reference point is

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where like it's like, you know, 
all of you on the buses. 

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It's long lived people's memory 
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itself. 
Yeah, although somebody's 

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lobbying to get somebody's 
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version of Super Grand I. 
Think though, that I think 

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there's that's one of those 
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about since the TV program. 
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I'm sure there was like, chat 
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the people who own the rights 
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Is is Annette Crosby too old now
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Yeah. 
The thing is and broken Britain,

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our super grand could have been 
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listen to the Daily Mail, for 
example, but you know, yes, yes,

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I'm sure you could come up with 
that reason. 

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You get the, you get the Daily 
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Rayner, something like that. 
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And our stolen houses. 
Weird shoes. 

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Yeah, shop to. 
Right, so scanner cap. 

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So Ian Cuthbertson, obviously a 
legendary actor, both the 

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television stage film. 
I, I know him principally, 

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mentioned Charlie and I, I, I 
always think of him principally,

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although he's not in it very 
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the Railway Children, of course.
Of course, Yeah, of course I 

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believe in varies. 
Heartbreaking. 

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Daddy, my daddy. 
He's a great actor and I always 

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sort of refer to quite what was 
like if you're sort of Scottish 

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and you go abroad when you used 
to do that sort of thing. 

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I always feel that to be 
understood. 

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You either go or to talk. 
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You either go sort of Johnny BA,
which is like, how you doing, or

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Ian Catherson was sort of 
Charlie. 

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And they're like, oh, yeah. 
Just to be Margarita, if you 

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don't mind, sweetheart. 
But he is one of those actors 

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that just seemed to be around, 
you know, obviously he'd be 

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there. 
Oh, God. 

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Now, see, I can't remember the 
name that TV series would have 

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played the, the, the Sullivan's 
Law, Sutherland's Law. 

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Yeah, which was like quite a 
whale. 

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New Year's quite a help. 
And he was in, how could be said

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everything, you know, And he was
guest starred and everything. 

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And they need a very famous 
stroke. 

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No. 
Yeah, it was, you know, because,

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you know, somebody falls, quite 
somebody's famous fault. 

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I'll never be like, oh, stroke, 
but a stroke. 

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And he became sort of a 
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of thing. 
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into the the popular culture of 
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and Wales or the rest of the UK.
Our UK is probably Charlie Endor

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would be the thing that he was 
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effectively. 
What? 

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Yeah, What does Scanner mean? 
If you're scanned or you could 

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be, you could be scanned, which 
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You're like put off suddenly you
can be scanned off a person that

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or like it's a if he that's the 
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Undoubtedly, you're probably 
just scanned off between eggs by

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eating too many of them, and a 
scanner is a person who's just a

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bad guy. 
Yeah. 

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And all-purpose, yes, yeah, 
it's. 

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Right, so this episode with 
Spike, I mean, OK, the plot of 

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this particular episode super 
grand in the missing hissing 

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Well, the Skynet, Campbell's 
chasing a winning lottery 

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ticket, which is lost by a gust 
of wind and it ends up going 

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down to the sewer and all all 
over. 

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Mrs. Petunia Preston is missing 
Cyril the snake, which is 

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actually an old vacuum cleaner 
hose. 

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Yeah, which? 
Is, which is something that 

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you've not told for a while. 
Immediately. 

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No, No. 
And now she can't perform at the

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Orphans Tea Party and there's a 
lot of orphans in Jesmond or 

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wherever this wherever this is 
set. 

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Yeah, it's like there's been a 
like an Aberfan sort of event 

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locally, like it has been some 
sort of regional war with 

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Cumberland. 
No, that there's a so there's a 

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few a few problems with this 
block, right or this setup. 

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First of all, aforementioned 
snake is not a snake, which 

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you're not told until after the 
draw pictures of. 

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Have you seen a snake with a 
snake on it? 

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Doesn't say. 
Have you seen a snake that's 

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made a Hoover tube? 
Doesn't say that. 

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So that's that. 
Second of all, it's kind of 

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Campbell and his band of Jordy 
sidekicks for some reason have 

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the cup of tea in the canteen of
this place. 

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And as you say that the the one 
in tech, about 10,000 lbs at the

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time, which would have probably 
bought you, I don't know, a 

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house, car, a holiday on 
Concord, didn't you know, left 

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you enough money to buy brace 
cashiers or something and it 

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blows out the window and then 
super grand for some reason 

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decides this is a terrible thing
that's going to follow. 

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Why? 
It's just the one out. 

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It's just got a lot of ticket. 
He lost. 

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He's trying to find it was it 
was pretty well. 

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He's not obtaining Vadnais. 
Well, is she? 

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Is she always? 
Is she always giving in the 

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skunk eye? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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She's well, you know, she's 
always trying to foil his 

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dastardly clients. 
There's just not a dastardly 

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client. 
If she did, he's feeling hard 

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about it. 
She's going to help him give a 

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boom. 
Brain been me. 

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We're going to go now, but to 
the chiseled tip and hurry. 

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What are you off doing such a 
hurry? 

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Push off the old man's bag. 
What's that thing? 

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She's contraption that she's. 
Yeah, so and it must have been 

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one of the who's the first 
episode this when she gets hit 

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by the Professor Black's magic 
ray that turns her into super 

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grand. 
And then he produces like a 

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series of machines and, you 
know, devices that she exploits 

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in our well, just not efforts to
bomb up. 

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It's got it's got a gamble 
whether he deserves it or not. 

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And one of them is a sort of 
flying bake. 

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And actually, when the when this
single came out of a for the 

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theme to Bellicorn was there 
theme tune. 

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It was a picture desk. 
If you remember those Oh yes, 

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for the young a record, there's 
a flat thing you put in a 

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machine that played music and 
the picture desk was it was 

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made-up of a picture and the 
picture desk was enormous. 

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It was a single, but it was 
enormous and it was a huge cut 

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of heart on this bike thing. 
It's incredibly unwieldy so that

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if you had like a dancer or 
something, it wouldn't go right 

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because it was like the size of 
a of a 12 inch Oh. 

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Geez, did a plate. 
Yeah, if you have a huge it can.

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We had that now, something to 
give it my dad. 

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So anyway, that's what she's 
sort of the incredibly unwieldy 

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thing, which is like one of 
those things like his, you know,

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I'm sure it soars through the 
sky so high, you know, but it 

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doesn't do very well on the 
ground, No. 

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And then? 
That's that single. 

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By the way, that single did 
really well in in New Zealand. 

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And that well here. 
In my head I want to say my in 

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my memory it charts it was in 
the top 10. 

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Although, right, or and then New
Zealand. 

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Oh yeah. 
All right. 

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Well, that's the Top 40 here. 
Yeah. 

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OK, we. 
Didn't have a lot of writing. 

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But yeah, I mean, it was, it 
was. 

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It's a fun song, although it's 
quite problematic nowadays. 

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Yeah. 
You know she makes them look 

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like a bunch of fairies is 
probably not the best. 

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Yeah, I was thinking about that.
I was looking at the lyrics here

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actually. 
You know, I, I genuinely haven't

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looked, but I could probably 
tell you where they were, but 

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I'm not going. 
Does United Dairy still exist? 

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No, the bill existed then. 
It's one of those things we have

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the person doing who's writing 
the song is making references 

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that matter to matters the name 
from being a kid. 

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Yes. 
Which means it's a reference for

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the 50s, you know, like, what is
it? 

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Stand back Superman, Batman, 
Spider man? 

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No, Stand back Superman, Ice 
man, Ice man, Spider man Batman 

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and Robin 2. 
The one that cause the raucous 

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with BA Baracus. 
And I've got a match for you. 

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Yeah, she makes him look like a 
bunch of fetishes. 

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Got more ball than United 
Deities? 

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Give a show your father look how
you're super grand she's. 

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About. 
Looking at her and then there's 

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a medley where he goes she's 
this is the best was the best 

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bet and this was what was 
annoying. 

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There wasn't the program because
on the record that then when 

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she's a serious granny, it's 
called a super Gran, a serious 

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granny, super grand. 
She'll do the things that you 

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never saw your granny do. 
Cut to Ian covers and going is 

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there nothing that she can you 
do. 

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Then there was a saxophone 
break. 

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Of course it was the 80s. 
Well, better than the program. 

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What are the other things? 
I always thought was weird, but 

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it was the guy that plays the 
professor Bill Shine, who was 

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like a BET player in films for 
probably since the war. 

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And even as a kid I remember 
thinking that should be Leslie 

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Phillips. 
It looked like he should be 

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Leslie Phillips, but and it's 
you know, anyway, I don't know. 

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That was different by that was 
Leslie Phelps was appearing in 

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Whoops with my trousers and. 
Yes. 

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The alarm, rough ear and 
buckinghead. 

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Yeah, but that made Leslie 
Phillips would go on in the 90s 

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to appear in some of the worst 
sitcoms ever. 

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Well, he he appeared in that 
terrible it was it honey for 

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tea? 
Yes, which was not funny. 

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Apart from him, he was great. 
No, he wasn't. 

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Oh, he was great. 
In it is the Mooney Buster 

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playing the piano and all that. 
I'm usually so they had it for 

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about two minutes every episode.
He wasn't that. 

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He was in the same years and he 
was in the House of Winds. 

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Was that the House of Windsor? 
Of course it's cold. 

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I don't know what's that. 
Hang on a minute, honey for tea 

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had tear a bloody Felicity 
Kendall doing an awful American 

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accent. 
Yeah, and it. 

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Went and it went on for ages. 
Honey for tea. 

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Well, no, it was only one. 
Was it 2 series or one series? 

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Oh, was it Christ? 
It felt like it went on forever.

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Right. 
Yeah, he was in. 

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He was in House of Windsor the 
same year. 

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No idea what that is. 
Writer Principal Writer Russell 

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T Davis. 
Oh, it didn't have a proper 

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ending then. 
Warren Clark and Leslie Phillips

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headed up the cast. 
Oh, that no is ringing a very 

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vague bell. 
How many episodes? 

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6 episodes, series. 
But you know, that's back we 

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were talking about before that 
was back when you used to have a

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sitcom. 
See for what? 

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Then what? 
Try another one. 

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Absolutely. 
We watched me and some friends 

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watched a bunch of sitcoms the 
other night. 

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Just old ones. 
Oh happy band. 

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Which the budget for that must 
have been astronomical. 

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Yeah. 
Just the the the the number of 

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cast and the outfits and the all
the paraphernalia and all sorts.

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Potter, the Alpha Lo. 
Yeah, that's that's that's a 

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disappointment for a shoot. 
It sounds like it's going to be 

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a stereo. 
It's not really. 

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No, well, it's Roy Clark. 
Just really and tell you what I 

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watched I've never heard of 
before. 1 Series, 1984 Five The 

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Hallo Goodbye Man starring Ian 
Lavender. 

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Right. 
Good. 

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Never heard of that. 
It's a vaguely familiar, but I 

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don't I mean to remember. 
I watched the other night an 

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episode, the first episode of I 
didn't know you cared, I. 

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Heard that pardon. 
Which is which is an amazing 

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cast. 
Oh yeah. 

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Yeah, it's just it's and you 
know, it's not funny, but I 

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thought but it's not. 
I mean, Robin Bailey, John 

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Comer, Liz Smith, Stephen Ray, 
you know, yeah, it's a great 

392
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cast, but and it's quite a nice 
setup, but it's part, it's that 

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whole up North Manor, which the 
women that are really in charge,

394
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you will certainly. 
It's just a nice problem, you 

395
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know? 
It's just the last of some of 

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wine. 
Yeah. 

397
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By any other name really isn't. 
It. 

398
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Yeah. 
Well, that's John Coleman. 

399
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Yeah, crossover. 
Of course, yeah, yeah. 

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Anyway, right OK, I wrote this 
down. 

401
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Watching this episode of Super 
Grand and. 

402
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It. 
Could have knocked me down with 

403
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a feather scanner. 
Campbell refers frequently. 

404
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Not just the ones, but 
frequently refers to. 

405
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As the old minge bag, why don't 
you invent your own business, 

406
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your minge bag? 
I don't believe they didn't all 

407
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know what they were. 
Saying yeah. 

408
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And it has this weird structure 
where there's the voice over, 

409
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you know, as if it's like a 
serial, you know, like a 

410
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Republic serial or something 
like, you know, like a Dunoit 

411
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thriller or, or a bad version of
Blade Runner. 

412
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Well, you know, there's this 
narration and it's like Scanner 

413
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Campbell when his motley crew 
went on to the mainstream to try

414
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the post box. 
Yeah, I can see them doing that.

415
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What is this audio description? 
It's it's, it's got that thing 

416
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that kids programs tend to, I 
don't know if they still have, 

417
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but that real sort of heistened 
reality. 

418
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But they don't make kids 
programs anymore, so they don't.

419
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Know No, I was. 
I was actually quite disgusted, 

420
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genuinely disgusted by the the 
scenes in the sewer. 

421
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Oh, they are horrible with a 
shit flopping in front of that 

422
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poor guy. 
Yeah. 

423
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Roy Evans. 
God love them. 

424
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It was really disgusting. 
Which I I I I probably thought 

425
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was hilarious at the time. 
Hello. 

426
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Is that the Chiselton Sewage 
Authority? 

427
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,880
Hello. 
I don't really probably see 

428
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around the rest. 
Right. 

429
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,520
Yeah. 
I'm afraid I've lost something. 

430
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Incredibly. 
Well, not very valuable. 

431
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,040
I told them you're suicidy. 
Oh yeah, the chiseled in High 

432
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Street suit to be precise. 
I should have placed him. 

433
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I knew the face. 
I couldn't place him. 

434
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,720
Well, he's a sort of Jewel 
Gladwin, kind of, you know, I'm 

435
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sure he was, and I'm sure he was
somebody's pure blood husband. 

436
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,120
And Last of the Summer Wine. 
Well, he I looked him out and 

437
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sure enough, I knew him. 
Principally he was he appeared 

438
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in the first series of the of 
the Blackadder, which is which 

439
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I'm very fond of right playing. 
Playing a shit covered peasant 

440
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basically. 
He came a long way. 

441
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,480
And he was, and right he was in 
MASH. 

442
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,480
Oh, that's right. 
I'd I'd looked that up as well 

443
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and I'm sorry. 
He was in the episode of MASH. 

444
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I wondered whether he was 
training for orderly. 

445
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The trade orderly. 
Orderly Little of the MASH 

446
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401-4077 yeah, it's so that 
yeah, that was it was rotten. 

447
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And then of course there's a lot
of failure pointless running 

448
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around. 
You know, it's something I 

449
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,920
always hate that you know, or we
just about get in the blows away

450
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and like really. 
Yeah. 

451
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,280
And then of course you get to. 
And then suddenly the sneakers 

452
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320
introduced. 
Are you like, what? 

453
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:02,440
Are we still after the ticket? 
Now we're after the reward for a

454
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,920
snake that's a that's a 
handbrake tunnel on the plot. 

455
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,440
Well, they should be 
concentrating their their 

456
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,440
efforts on the on the ticket. 
Concentrating grand it is 10 

457
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,800
grand. 
She's not giving you 10 grand 

458
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,960
for I know prove apart or even 
if it was a real snake. 

459
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,920
Yeah, and of course, we get to 
the zoo. 

460
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,760
And this is where we meet Spike.
Yeah, we meet Spike and his full

461
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:35,880
fancy Fred, a working man voice 
making bizarre references. 

462
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,360
Probably improved. 
I think improv He refers to a 

463
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,880
hair brush that's just just been
dropped in one of the cages as 

464
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,320
Dick Flight, a flightless 
hedgehog. 

465
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,720
And he has. 
I had expected them to have a 

466
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,240
zookeeper hat with a huge 
sighting zoo or something on it 

467
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,120
and instead he has like a sort 
of a animal print headband 

468
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,560
because it's on safari. 
Yeah, with his little mustache, 

469
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,080
Hitler mustache. 
Yeah. 

470
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,200
And and he refers to himself as 
he says, this is where I think 

471
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,640
it's improvised because he says 
I am keep, I am keeper. 

472
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680
And then he thinks Stuart 
Grainger. 

473
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,320
Up there is a a Sparrow, unnamed
because he's an intruder in here

474
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,680
and that animal is a Belgian 
blue called Solobud. 

475
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,400
And then somehow the fake snake 
is in the zoo. 

476
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
I mean, I only watched it and I 
don't know what happened and. 

477
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,440
There's some sort of mix up with
the basket. 

478
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,200
You mean there's a scene of 
confusion that would have been 

479
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200
easily explained? 
Absolutely. 

480
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,920
I know. 
Happens every week. 

481
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,880
I've written down one of the 
lines in this. 

482
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720
I'm assuming Spike's character 
must have shouted this follow 

483
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,640
Brenda's knickers and I don't. 
I don't remember that. 

484
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,080
I don't remember that. 
Yeah. 

485
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,520
I mean, there's not a lot to say
about this. 

486
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360
I mean, it ends, it culminates, 
I mean spikes in it for about 

487
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,520
5-10 minutes. 
Yeah, well, even all mics. 5 

488
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,960
minutes total maybe? 
Absolutely, and it culminates in

489
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,440
some sort of comeuppance for 
Scanner Campbell and his Notley 

490
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,320
crew. 
Well, yeah, they get the Tucker 

491
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,440
and then Super Grand steals off 
them and gets into the bloody 

492
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,680
orphans. 10 grand. 
Well, this will be for the 

493
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,280
rodents for the next step. 
Oh, wait a minute. 

494
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,640
It's not like like when you like
to donate a bit of us. 

495
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,560
No, I'm just going to steal it 
off you. 

496
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,120
What are what are orphans going 
to spend it on, really? 

497
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:58,560
I mean, in 1985, God knows. 
Space hoppers, Lolo balls. 

498
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,120
No, it's bizarre. 
I was just like, you've 

499
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,600
literally stolen all of them. 
He didn't steal the tickle off 

500
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,360
somebody, but definitely they've
been stolen off. 

501
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Somebody if one of the kids. 
Said one and and won the apple 

502
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,320
and he'd stolen the ticket and, 
and he's been. 

503
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Publicly degraded. 
He's had to degrade himself in 

504
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,800
public by performing a Morris 
dance. 

505
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Yeah. 
Oh God. 

506
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Touching the back of the man. 

507
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:30,000
About that. 
Apparently Spike enjoyed filming

508
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,840
this so much. 
That he became a Newcastle. 

509
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,000
United season ticket holder 
right up until his death, 

510
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,040
apparently. 
That's fantastic. 

511
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,640
They put, they clearly had them 
for one day, Yeah, you know, and

512
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120
he might be travelled up, you 
know, but but that was the back 

513
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,120
of the day at the time where 
they would like, you know, pay 

514
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,600
your fear up, put you up in a 
nicer tail, whatever, send you 

515
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,760
back, do you nice. 
Yeah. 

516
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,480
There was a proper job. 
And that's the sort of when you 

517
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:08,040
look at the the number of 
serious actors and well known 

518
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,240
people, well cared faces who 
appeared in children's dramas in

519
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,040
the 80s, especially the monthly 
80s. 

520
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,640
And, you know, you would look 
for why, Why are they appearing 

521
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,760
in that? 
Well, it's a proper job. 

522
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Yeah, you. 
Know they're working. 

523
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,080
Actors bit of a jolly I. 
Suppose and easy work if you. 

524
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Look at the number of films, for
example, that were being made in

525
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,520
1984 and in 1985. 
There's no many, no, the only 

526
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,600
ones of any nor things like, you
know, produced and made in 

527
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Britain are things like well, 
you laughter, private function 

528
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,320
and in 1984 and things like 
that. 

529
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,880
But, you know, clockwise. 
That we covered clockwise. 

530
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,600
But you know the majority, 
there's not much going on. 

531
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,760
So you take the work, you take 
the work you can get, you do. 

532
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Chris, what I'm going to do OK, 
there's there's been there's you

533
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:11,080
know, there's such a long list 
of famous household names in in 

534
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,520
many, many different fields, not
just acting, but in sport and 

535
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,440
music as well, who have appeared
as special guests in super 

536
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,520
grand. 
I'm not going to read them all 

537
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,760
out. 
What I'm going to do, I'm going 

538
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,000
to read you 5 or 6 or 7 or 8, 
right? 

539
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:28,640
I want. 
You to tell me? 

540
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,040
One of them never appeared. 
Oh, right, OK, right when. 

541
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320
You tell me which. 
Which one you think never 

542
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,360
appeared in Super Grand, right? 
OK. 

543
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,400
OK. 
John Gielgud I'm not actually 

544
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,720
sure about. 
That I know. 

545
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Right. 
Derek Deadman, Right? 

546
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,520
Would he have? 
Appeared in Super Grand. 

547
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Do you think he'd be very? 
He'd be very. 

548
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Busy with never between. 
Well, that's true, yeah. 

549
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,160
And he was filming Ballshot 
around this time as well. 

550
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,880
Yeah, just. 
Just off of Trade bandits, Yeah.

551
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:10,840
Oh yeah, yeah. 
Lulu, your high Kells finest I 

552
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,520
really handle because I 
obviously metal. 

553
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,320
Mickey had finished a few years 
earlier, so she was probably 

554
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,920
available. 
She was always saying yeah. 

555
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,600
She's got. 
Chihuahua food to pay for. 

556
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,719
George Best. 
George Best. 

557
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,719
What would be the attraction of 
three Caters and George Bears? 

558
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,199
I'll whisper this one. 
Rolf Harris, are we? 

559
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,120
Led to Are we led to? 
Mention Rolf Harris these days. 

560
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,199
I think for the IT was just a. 
It was just a. 

561
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:44,520
Fact. 
We've just got to face it. 

562
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,840
OK. 
John Otway. 

563
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,159
John Otway, right? 
OK. 

564
00:34:54,040 --> 00:35:00,800
Marry, marry Melvin. 
People do all that, Barry 

565
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,080
lending money. 
He was in Ghost in the. 

566
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,840
Noonday sun He was indeed. 
How many? 

567
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,920
How many they? 
Needed a vicar. 

568
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:21,760
Did they did a comedy Vicar? 
Willy Thorne and and and finally

569
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:29,760
Patsy Rowlands, right? 
OK, which one of them didn't? 

570
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Appear which? 
Which? 

571
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,480
Which one? 
That is so hard and I'm sort of 

572
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,040
welling it down, but I genuinely
don't know and I'm going to say,

573
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:50,560
God, it's either Murray, Melvin 
or who were the last couple, 

574
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Billy Thorne? 
Willy Thorne. 

575
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,680
And Patsy Rowlands, 1985 well. 
We thought I'm going for money, 

576
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,920
Melvin. 
Not probably wrong. 

577
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:08,320
I bet you steady, Deadman. 
No, you're wrong, Murray. 

578
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Melvin. 
Appeared playing a playing a 

579
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:25,440
character called Neville Mintz. 
No, the one that didn't appear 

580
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,560
was Rolf Harris. 
Oh, there you go, show. 

581
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,600
It. 
Oh well, but But no, Rolf Harris

582
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,280
wasn't in it, but Gary Glitter 
certainly was. 

583
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,320
Oh, you can. 
He won't. 

584
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,040
Ken Campbell was in it, of 
course It was great. 

585
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,880
Ken Campbell. 
Paul Shane. 

586
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,480
Leslie Phillips was in it as 
well. 

587
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,800
Was he? 
Leslie Phillips. 

588
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,160
Yeah. 
Was he very noble, Bill Shane? 

589
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,760
Pat Coombs, of course. 
Billy Connolly. 

590
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,560
I seem to remember Billy 
Connolly being in it. 

591
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Wasn't it more than once? 
Wasn't Ricky Fulton in it? 

592
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,320
Yes, he was. 
Yes, there you go. 

593
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,440
Melvin Hayes, Bernard Cribbins, 
Oh, Charles Hawtree and Patrick 

594
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,360
Troughton. 
Both of them. 

595
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,800
It was their last acting gig. 
I knew that because that's one 

596
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680
of that's that one of the very 
few facts that I knew about 

597
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,400
Super Grand is that it was 
Charles Hawtree's last. 

598
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,240
And for a long time I thought it
was that that weird clip of them

599
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,080
just as Dracula and run around. 
I. 

600
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Think it may have been super 
grand? 

601
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,920
When was that? 
When was that, that TV interview

602
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,000
that he did where he was clearly
pissed as a fart? 

603
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,720
Yeah, so much more delicately 
than I would have when he comes 

604
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,280
out and sort of points that the 
interviewers have to say, oh, 

605
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:50,000
it's you. 
Was that around this time? 

606
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,360
Well, I suppose. 
It must have been he must have 

607
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,200
he must have run out of money by
bed heads deal. 

608
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:00,000
God love them so. 
OK. 

609
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,000
So I think needed that, needed 
that, Charles. 

610
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:10,720
House Sherry Money. 
I want to talk about so, so 

611
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,840
Spike was in that, obviously, 
and I want to just run through 

612
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,640
some of the show. 
There's another show I want to 

613
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,200
talk about in more detail, but 
unfortunately that Spike was a 

614
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,960
guest star, which was the Sooty 
Show. 

615
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:27,560
OK, sadly, and I've tried, I've 
tried so, so hard to track down 

616
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,720
a copy of the, the episode that 
he was in from 1986. 

617
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Yeah, called Suto. 
Suto. 

618
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Grams. 
Yeah, they must believe White. 

619
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,120
Don't bother. 
And they're asked for that 

620
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,640
stuff, are they? 
No lost. 

621
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Copter who episodes. 
Were over it, yeah, but I want 

622
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,400
to come back to Sooty. 
Because I want to spend some 

623
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400
time talking about Sooty and I 
want to try and imagine what 

624
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,480
that episode would be like. 
Could we lose the bottom 

625
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,480
episodes of? 
Doctor Who? 

626
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:58,720
Oh, controversial. 
Should he was? 

627
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,440
It's funny thing, isn't it city?
Because so in fact, Isabella, 

628
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Doctor Who, it's like, who's 
your city? 

629
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,320
Is it Heidi Corbett? 
Is it Matthew Corbett or the new

630
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,040
guy, Richard? 
Richard Cadell. 

631
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,440
Who? 
I desperately wanted to know if 

632
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,640
he was related to Simon Cadell. 
Apparently I don't see that as 

633
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:20,920
no. 
It's a shame. 

634
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,640
I was using this guy. 
They do a lot there's a lot you 

635
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,200
get a lot of social media city, 
which which is great, which 

636
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,960
brightens your day if it ever 
pops up and and and the 

637
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,240
Hailmouth of social media 
watching city climbing stairs. 

638
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,640
There is sweet brother claiming 
stairs as a fireman. 

639
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Is is when you see his feet or 
his legs. 

640
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,120
But you don't anytime. 
Any you know you know I I have a

641
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,720
very hard and fast food you 
should never see, for example, 

642
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,360
Muppets legs no. 
Just just kills them. 

643
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,720
No the map the. 
Map movie was wrong in so many 

644
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:57,200
ways. 
That's just that thing with them

645
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640
on. 
The bikes, No, that, no, no, no.

646
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,840
I mean, it's very impressive, 
but it's not right. 

647
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:11,000
On the other hand, sweet 
anytime. 

648
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,640
The great thing about Sweep, who
is of course the single greatest

649
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,600
fictional character ever 
created. 

650
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,240
Comedy character ever created, 
can I claim? 

651
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Is that that you're always 
clever enough never to show 

652
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,800
sweep in full, running inside 
it's waist and above, cut to 

653
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,720
little legs going, which is just
so funny. 

654
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,920
And then he's climbing up 
climbing. 

655
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Up the ladder to the diving 
board. 

656
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,520
You see the legs. 
Oh, that's another. 

657
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,560
Day. 
It's just hysterical sweepers 

658
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,680
just so and inherently funny. 
It's just fantastically funny 

659
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,080
city. 
I would come and go on a Sue can

660
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,160
write it, yeah. 
But. 

661
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,520
But I like. 
The I like. 

662
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,080
The the I mean, Harry Corbett is
of clearly was a lovely person. 

663
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,560
It was very sweet and that all 
about my everybody and all that.

664
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,680
But the whole setcoms thing that
Matthew Corbett used to do, I 

665
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,840
love that. 
I still love it when you see the

666
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,240
clips that crop up every now and
again of them cleaning the band 

667
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,400
or tie of a bath or something. 
It's just hilarious. 

668
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,400
Sweep. 
Sweep. 

669
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,880
Just calm down. 
Stop it. 

670
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Stop, stop, stop. 
It's his way of getting rid of 

671
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,680
excess energy, Matthew. 
Also his way of giving me a 

672
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:32,920
dizzy spell. 
Sue. 

673
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,840
Oh, yes. 
So she says the reason that 

674
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Sweep is so excited is because 
I've allowed Swoop, swap and 

675
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,280
swipe to stay the night. 
Somebody knocking at the door. 

676
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,800
Well, it's certainly been a busy
day for you, hasn't it? 

677
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,840
Sweet. 
This is brilliant. 

678
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,920
You want to wave to your family?
Well, off you go. 

679
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,120
I'm sure Matthew does mine. 
Be my guest, mate. 

680
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,200
Go on. 
Say goodbye. 

681
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,560
Say hello. 
Oh, hang on. 

682
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,560
This rookie coming back. 
Just mate. 

683
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,240
Come on in. 
Something. 

684
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,440
Who on earth was it at the door?
You're ever so excited? 

685
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,400
Well, tell us who it was, 
because the suspense is killing 

686
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,720
me. 
Oh, don't tell me. 

687
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,200
It's probably Princess Diana 
again. 

688
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,160
Is it calling round? 
She never warned me. 

689
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,000
Anyway, whoever it is, it must 
be pretty important that you 

690
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,280
are. 
Yes, I'm sure you are. 

691
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,640
But it just up in here. 
Who are you? 

692
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,320
Your Sweep's dad. 
And this is Sweep's mom sweeping

693
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:24,960
up the whole of your family 
here. 

694
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,560
Not quite. 
What do you mean, not quite? 

695
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,160
There's these other brothers. 
What do you mean, these other 

696
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,640
brothers? 
How many brothers are there? 

697
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,400
There's another seven in the 
litter. 

698
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,680
Well, there's already enough 
people here. 

699
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,320
It's a shame they couldn't make 
it, isn't it? 

700
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,200
They can. 
But who's that? 

701
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,760
There's another brother there. 
Hang on a minute. 

702
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,240
Somebody else hit you know what?
So you better come to sleep in 

703
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,600
my room. 
The place is kind of sweet to 

704
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,600
goodness it other than I'm 
coming. 

705
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Anybody says it's just a weird I
I used to watch city. 

706
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,480
As a kid, religiously. 
Oh well, why we love there's. 

707
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Something the matter? 
With you if you don't. 

708
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,360
Know if you could like it? 
Yeah, we all love sweet. 

709
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,160
Sweet was the one. 
Amazing, amazing. 

710
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Matthew was certainly my my. 
City. 

711
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,560
I don't know what. 
Do we call them my city owner? 

712
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,840
Yeah, companion. 
I don't know. 

713
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,600
Where I live, by the way, where 
I live, I'm not going to name 

714
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,040
the name. 
The village you live now you 

715
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,840
live in a. 
Village. 

716
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Wow, it's not you. 
Stuck in son, one day you. 

717
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,560
Live in a big town? 
It's not really. 

718
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,280
A village anymore, but anyway, 
it's they still they persist in 

719
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,960
calling it a village right. 
But we've we've had we have we 

720
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,600
have at least that I can think 
of four famous people that live 

721
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,200
in or around. 
OK. 

722
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Although, all right, OK. 
And it used to be. 

723
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,400
It used to be. 
And he's still around. 

724
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,920
I still sometimes knock into him
in Sainsbury's, Ian Brown from 

725
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,440
the Stone Roses. 
Right, Right. 

726
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,320
Muttering. 
About Japanese war crimes, more 

727
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,880
often than not. 
Do you believe it used to be? 

728
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Obviously, he's dead now. 
Jimmy Corkill from Brookie. 

729
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,280
He used to live around here, 
right? 

730
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,880
OK, there is a point to this, 
Chris. 

731
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,240
Dean Sullivan. 
Is that Dean Sullivan? 

732
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:08,720
Dean Sullivan, That's right. 
And. 

733
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,200
I think, I think, am I right in 
thinking, did he not used to 

734
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480
live with Fred the weatherman? 
Did he? 

735
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,680
I think he did, Fred. 
Tolbert I. 

736
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,200
Think he did. 
I think Dean, sorry, sorry. 

737
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Can we just can we just take a 
little step aside? 

738
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,000
You for sight? 
Yeah. 

739
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,360
Dean Sullivan lived as in 
cohabited. 

740
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,400
Oh, yes. 
With Fred Tolbert. 

741
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,000
I die. 
Die, die, die. 

742
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,280
Don't know what to say about 
that. 

743
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000
That's that's possibly the story
of the year. 

744
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,720
Yeah. 
Well, that was that. 

745
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,160
I, I think, I think that's true.
If it's not true, then I I 

746
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,360
apologise to Fred Tolbitt. 
Let's say that. 

747
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,160
Let's just run with her. 
Yeah. 

748
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Where were we? 
So, yeah. 

749
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,800
So anyway, the point I was 
making, so we had we had Dean 

750
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Sullivan, the guy that used to 
be in Coronation Street is now 

751
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,240
in Emmerdale, whose name I can't
remember, see him all the time. 

752
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,800
And, and up until COVID, we had 
Matthew Corbett, right? 

753
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,680
Oh yeah, he took. 
He took. 

754
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Very. 
Poorly, didn't he? 

755
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,440
Yeah, COVID. 
Yeah, he lived alongside the. 

756
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,040
The canal that runs through the 
village in a very nice house. 

757
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Very nice house. 
Well, you should hope so. 

758
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,280
Used to. 
See him and wave. 

759
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,680
At him, although his real name 
is. 

760
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,000
It's not Matthew. 
It's something else. 

761
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Peter. 
Peter, that was it. 

762
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,400
Yes, did you see when he waved 
back? 

763
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,360
That he left his hand and so he 
was on his hand and he fell away

764
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,360
with city, That would be great. 
Or even better, if he could 

765
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,960
produce sweep and then like 
fletching the vacay with sweep, 

766
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:46,160
that would be even better. 
You ever see that episode of 

767
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Knowing Me, Knowing You where 
Partridge is interviewing that 

768
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:56,160
former photocopy repairman who's
become a Hollywood and. 

769
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,520
He wants to put it all behind 
and he says can you? 

770
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,320
Can you I? 
Challenge you to fix this 

771
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,240
photocopy. 
And he momentarily he's back, 

772
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,880
he's back. 
He's back in the vibe with it. 

773
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,960
And then he says, I don't do 
this shit anymore. 

774
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,360
I can just imagine. 
Imagine Matthew Corbett being 

775
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,560
the same as Sooty. 
What do you think? 

776
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,520
It was like Gordon Murray and he
had like a big bonfire. 

777
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,440
Pardon everything, although. 
I'm considering he's sold the 

778
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,440
franchise to your man Cadell for
£1,000,000. 

779
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,560
I would be. 
I would be much it. 

780
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,720
Doesn't seem that doesn't mean 
that I just sold them a suited 

781
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:43,760
doll. 
For Hoffa, the the. 

782
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:51,600
The the sooty name though, 
Surely it's worth more than a 

783
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,680
million, I'd have thought. 
I'm not an IP lawyer, but the 

784
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,560
the. 
Why I like the Matthew? 

785
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Corbett, because you get that. 
I'm obviously I've only seen 

786
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,400
like archive clips and all that 
of Harry Corbett doing the city,

787
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,800
but it's you know, like it's 
quite sweet and you know, he's 

788
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,520
rubbing his eyes and but I know 
that. 

789
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,360
But I much prefer the sort of an
Arctic, you know, to, you know, 

790
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,200
the squatty garden and ultra 
violence. 

791
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,280
Absolutely, which is which is 
way more funny. 

792
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,840
I love this so show. 
It's a fantastic show and I also

793
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,720
had great, great stars. 
Yeah, and. 

794
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
And so sotograms, we don't we we
haven't seen it. 

795
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,320
We've seen a very brief clip of 
it. 

796
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,480
Yeah, Yeah. 
But the, the, the, the synopsis 

797
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,560
is that Sweep has singing 
lessons for his new career. 

798
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,200
In Suti's latest singing 
sotograms venture, Matthew and 

799
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,920
Sue help laugh it already. 
Matthew and Sue help. 

800
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,200
By making birthday cakes with 
plenty of cream in them and 

801
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,880
guess Spike Milligan is at the 
receiving end of all this wild 

802
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,080
activity. 
So what What do we imagine 

803
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,120
happened then? 
The the some sort of calamity 

804
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,320
occurred. 
Well, it's sadly. 

805
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,240
It's sadly finished with at 
least Matthew was with a cream 

806
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:08,760
cake in his face. 
Hopefully. 

807
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,040
Spike Yes. 
With the cream cake in the face.

808
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:17,360
Although probably with spanking 
blackface on 1st and then just 

809
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,440
sit in the sweep rather in the 
back, try to sing. 

810
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,960
You know, voodoo lady. 
We built this city. 

811
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,840
I imagine, I imagine sweet no is
like Les from a cranberry Lee 

812
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,800
just. 
Squeaking that it's. 

813
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,840
A shit business. 
Shit business? 

814
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,800
Yeah, really, really bad with a 
with a suitcase. 

815
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:44,840
Full of tapes. 
Yeah. 

816
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Yeah, Polishing something. 
Polishes in Browns floor, 

817
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,360
probably around the corner, 
yeah. 

818
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,240
Yeah, yeah. 
But. 

819
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,400
You could imagine. 
You could see why. 

820
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,440
Yeah, you could see why Spike 
would love being involved in all

821
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:01,200
this. 
Be him. 

822
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,800
Yes, with the Vert. 
You can imagine appealing to 

823
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,160
his. 
His. 

824
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,800
Identified. 
There was an ITV as well, sweet 

825
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,200
enough to engage with the BBC, 
Yes, who had done them out of 

826
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,280
the two series expected to have 
every year. 

827
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:20,160
Oh. 
Yes. 

828
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,200
He never talked about that 
though. 

829
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,760
No, it's very subtle. 
But pretty discreet, Edith, what

830
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,600
do you reckon? 
I mean, you, you said that Sweep

831
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,080
is the greatest comedy character
ever. 

832
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Spike. 
Do you think Spike would have 

833
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,600
recognized that? 
I don't know. 

834
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,640
And the the. 
Clips I've seen over talking 

835
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,400
about it, there's a documentary 
on YouTube about about city and 

836
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,360
he sort of interacts with the 
with the with suited himself 

837
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,800
while wearing a proper like AQ 
series nose of course. 

838
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:55,600
But I'd like to think that he 
identified with with sweep. 

839
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,560
But I don't know usually, you 
know what Malika could get 

840
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,000
really sentimental about stuff. 
They certainly never mentioned 

841
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,520
Sue. 
What is it? 

842
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,520
There was Sue. 
And of course there was Scampi. 

843
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,800
Is that his name? 
Scampi. 

844
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Yeah. 
But this like. 

845
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,040
Little schoolboy outfit on 
travelling. 

846
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,520
That's right. 
Was he? 

847
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,600
The product of some sort of 
sexual relations between Suti 

848
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,000
and Sioux? 
No, because was he not? 

849
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,280
I think he was Suti's nephew. 
Was he? 

850
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,800
Also. 
Vocally challenged, right? 

851
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,160
So you know. 
The familial setups were what 

852
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,400
about weird but. 
I think sweet. 

853
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,360
Was supposed to be sweet, not 
meant to be like his brother or 

854
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,520
something. 
I was never quite sure what the 

855
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,760
relationship was. 
I like to think that they were 

856
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,560
friends in the army. 
Sooty and sweet. 

857
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Yeah, like they did the National
Service. 

858
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,240
Together, yeah, And then? 
As Sooty got more. 

859
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,880
Famous sweet just turned up one 
day with tiny look you like 

860
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,040
you'd see his legs, just his 
legs. 

861
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,040
With the bottom of we. 
Suitcases coming up the path. 

862
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,440
And you just stand there and go.
You know, with, you know, like 

863
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,760
with Eric Walker, you like 
overcoat and hat on. 

864
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,120
Not done much since. 
Since we left, it's Aiden. 

865
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,280
Yeah, you know. 
Do you don't Remember Me from? 

866
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,320
Said the Alka beer. 
I was like, oh, we'll come. 

867
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,320
In and then he just never moved 
out yeah, that's what I. 

868
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,640
Like to think what? 
What relation is soot? 

869
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,600
To Sooty. 
Is she not his girlfriend then? 

870
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,920
Is she just some? 
Well, I mean, I always. 

871
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,280
I always, I always presume that 
she was just some sort of yeah, 

872
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,840
relative who was just there to 
try and pass on everybody's 

873
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,440
chips. 
Hector. 

874
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,640
Yeah, sooty and sweep. 
Yeah, well, not Hector Roden, 

875
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,840
not the old. 
Hector of course, one of the one

876
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:56,000
of the best uses of sooty and 
sweep is in the phenomenal a 

877
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,360
sequence of the public 
government and good Israel. 

878
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,320
OK. 
Yeah, we are. 

879
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,720
We're we're. 
We stay up a public government 

880
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,520
and use the nationwide stats and
Michael Barrett in brilliant 

881
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,640
form. 
There's the new Prime Minister 

882
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,120
city. 
It's Jay wherever there's no 

883
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,960
what's that city they they go to
try and stop at the cabinets 

884
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,640
there that's sitting sweet and 
sour and Andy Pandy. 

885
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,760
They're all there around the 
table and and when they tried to

886
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,480
grab them. 
He was not your old Hector. 

887
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,760
Hector comes flying across the 
room. 

888
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,120
He gives you have got the chance
to just cabaret. 

889
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,560
But when he's got his neck. 
Oh, it's just yes, yes, yeah. 

890
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Absolutely phenomenal comedy. 
Michael Barrett was in quite a 

891
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,160
few. 
Episodes of The Goodies. 

892
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,920
He was in them. 
Yeah, but they they. 

893
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,480
Loved news readers, Yeah, but do
you remember? 

894
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,840
Do you remember the episode 
called Punky Business where they

895
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,200
they're, they're about three 
years too late for Punk, but. 

896
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,480
But but. 
Michael Barrett plays a punk 

897
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,640
news reader. 
Right here's the news. 

898
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,960
Today's Festival of Light rally.
Lord Longford made a statement 

899
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,080
on the moral decline of this 
country in support of this Mary 

900
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:26,280
White House. 
Mr. Timbrook, today's stage to 

901
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,120
protest on behalf of the League 
of Shiny Shoe Wearers, please 

902
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,160
maintain standards. 
Hunkies off. 

903
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,800
The uncouth keep Britain's shoes
shiny MPs who were at the time 

904
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,480
discussing employment were 
disturbed by the outrageous 

905
00:53:43,480 --> 00:54:01,080
disruption. 
The sky at night. 

906
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,920
I mean, cities, one of those 
funny things, isn't it? 

907
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,640
We're like, I would be really 
interested to know if kids 

908
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,320
nowadays actually know who city 
is. 

909
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,120
And I wonder if it's if the 
people who actually know who 

910
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,680
city doesn't like it when it 
appears on social media 

911
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,800
essentially not just people like
me. 

912
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,520
You know, when people of my age 
are people fortying up. 

913
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080
But is is certainly. 
Not still a going concern, No, 

914
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:28,360
no, Absolutely, yeah. 
Absolutely is, you know, but it 

915
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,360
must be so difficult because the
platform is gone, you know, 

916
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,760
children's program, children's 
ITV, the Brim Cup, it's all 

917
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,600
gone. 
And, and that's one of the 

918
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,880
things that I find so 
fascinating about a program like

919
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,280
Super Grand, as well as that the
sheer effort and budget and 

920
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,680
production, which now you're 
looking back on it, people must 

921
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,880
think is amazingly anachronistic
and wasteful or stupid. 

922
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,480
Yeah, Yeah. 
Because. 

923
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,400
No, but just nobody. 
Bothers with it anymore. 

924
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,120
I mean, I, I know there are 
programs for children though, 

925
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,240
but they're all like everything 
though is a sort of ghetto when 

926
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:12,240
the EPG of Nickelodeon or Carbon
Network or whatever, ketchup, 

927
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,760
God knows. 
And you know, when the iPlayer 

928
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,440
has a section for kids and other
CBBS and CBBC know that fine, 

929
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,320
but it's not part of everybody's
language. 

930
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,320
You know, like you're never 
going to get, you know, Rigsby 

931
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,800
saying that he's annoyed he's 
messed the magic roundabout ever

932
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,160
again. 
It's just not part of 

933
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,480
everybody's life in the same 
way. 

934
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,560
There was kids are kids. 
Are watching for the hardcore 

935
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:42,000
pornography on streaming? 
Services, well, I'm sure, I'm 

936
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,800
sure the parental controls and 
police prevent all of that. 

937
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,360
I sound like a. 
Angry letter writer to the Daily

938
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,880
Mail. 
I came home and my 4. 

939
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,040
Year old son was watching a 
large man shoving an Ottoman up 

940
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,440
his ass. 
Why all? 

941
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,400
Why all? 
Why? 

942
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,400
An ultimate I just used to 
watch. 

943
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,600
Rolf Harris and Jimmy Savile, 
what's wrong? 

944
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,800
Right. 
I'm looking at some of the other

945
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,440
shows that kid shows, ostensibly
kid shows or programs that 

946
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,960
Milligan was involved with. 
OK. 

947
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,320
And we just just run through 
these and touch them a little 

948
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,920
bit maybe. 
But he was in 11 episodes of 

949
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,160
Jack and Lori, of course. 
Of course he was. 

950
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Of course. 
He was. 

951
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,280
Reading things like Bed Jelly, 
the Witch, which was of course 

952
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,680
his his, his own his. 
Own conflict of interest, which 

953
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,880
was a brilliant. 
Brilliant story and help. 

954
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,960
I'm a prisoner in a toothpaste 
factory. 

955
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,920
Right Is that is. 
That a Charlie in the Chocolate 

956
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,440
Factory prequel? 
I'm not sure. 

957
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,560
Who's right? 
I know Tim Worthington, former 

958
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:54,960
guest, goes on about that quite 
a bit. 

959
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,880
He's very keen on that despite 
reading that. 

960
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,800
So but Jacanori again, I didn't,
we didn't get Jacanori when I 

961
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,040
was growing up. 
Why did you not? 

962
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,680
No such a donor. 
I know I mean. 

963
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:14,720
I've seen like episodes since 
you know, what's the who's the 

964
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,520
who's the quintessential 
Jacanori? 

965
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,240
Well, the most. 
The most. 

966
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,000
Prolific Jacanori storyteller is
Bernard Cribbins, of course. 

967
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Yeah, he didn't. 
Act like a. 

968
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,480
I think 114 episodes, 
unfortunately not 111 episodes. 

969
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,520
So you can do that or no, he was
a little joke, but I but the 

970
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,800
one, the person I wanted, the 
two people that I always wanted 

971
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,040
when it was Jack and Audit, 
although I would watched it were

972
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,120
Willie Rushton and Kenneth 
Hogan's obviously. 

973
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,760
Oh, yes, of course, yeah. 
Because Kenneth Robbins was 

974
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,040
just. 
Phenomenal act phenomenal actor,

975
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,240
so invested in it and you just 
know he'd landed. 

976
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:04,120
He was not read the offer daily,
but you know, and I love Jack 

977
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,200
note it's great. 
Jack Rick May was pretty good. 

978
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,160
Yeah, he was fantastic. 
Because I'm just so into it. 

979
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,200
And that's why I find it so 
weird. 

980
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,800
You know, people say, you know 
these when you do the bedtime 

981
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,720
story thing on CBeebies and they
have like Tom Hardy and people 

982
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,800
like that and they say, Michael,
are all these big stars doing 

983
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,320
that? 
Well, yeah, we used to do that 

984
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,840
as well. 
I used to Add all the time, 

985
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,160
although Tom Hardy is very good 
at it anyway. 

986
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,560
Right. 
So spike it, it turns up on both

987
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,200
the multi coloured swap shop and
Tiswas. 

988
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,880
Oh yeah? 
Well, here, yeah. 

989
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,080
You've got to figure out what to
bear. 

990
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Tiswas right. 
A blackface, famously in 79 The 

991
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,760
Muppet Show, which we have 
talked about Yes, yes we. 

992
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,960
Have. 
Well, I've talked about had an 

993
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:51,680
episode of Goon Pot on it 
basically. 

994
00:58:52,520 --> 00:59:00,400
But so the story with that is 
that he kind of petitioned the 

995
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,520
producers of The Muppet Show and
sort of said he put himself up 

996
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,840
to be a guest, Lou guest. 
What have I word with you, Lou? 

997
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,080
All my life. 
All right, Spike, for him sake. 

998
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,760
He was, he just thought he was, 
he said. 

999
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,040
I think he said something along 
the lines of I am the perfect 

1000
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,080
guest star for this, for this 
show. 

1001
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,680
Fortunately, in many ways he was
right. 

1002
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,480
Fortunately, after sailors had 
been on. 

1003
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,840
By any chance? 
Yeah, I think so. 

1004
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,720
Yes, it was. 
And he's a he's a force of 

1005
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,280
nature on that show. 
Doesn't all work, doesn't all 

1006
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,880
work shortcut. 
There's no blackface, I don't 

1007
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,960
think. 
Kind of hard to believe. 

1008
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:44,200
But we won't dwell on The Muppet
Show. 

1009
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,480
You you a fan generally of the 
The original Muppet Show? 

1010
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,160
Oh, absolutely yeah. 
Oh. 

1011
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,800
It's great. 
I always I always find it much 

1012
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,160
again. 
I often wonder what kids now 

1013
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:59,160
think about it, because you're 
used to seeing The Muppets now 

1014
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,440
either in films or in sort of 
social media sketch and sketches

1015
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,600
and things where they often work
very well. 

1016
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,640
But the Of course, the the The 
Muppet Show was a. 

1017
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,640
A sort of parody of a variety 
show, like a theatre variety 

1018
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,120
show. 
Which, of course, what means 

1019
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,800
nothing to kids, No. 
You know, let alone go to the 

1020
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,800
theatre. 
Never mind, you know, like so 

1021
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,320
and they're often saying that 
sing an old music called songs 

1022
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:31,160
and you know, you know it just 
and you've got the old things 

1023
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,160
like that. 
Like the the the cane coming out

1024
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,200
to yank off the lousy comedian. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1025
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,080
So the. 
The rate, the sort of cultural 

1026
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,800
reference points are sort of 
lost. 

1027
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,720
So, but I mean, maybe it doesn't
make any difference. 

1028
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,400
I when I was a kid, I just, I 
thought it was sort of like a 

1029
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,400
parody of the good old days, you
know, because that was the 

1030
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,960
opposition that it looked most 
like. 

1031
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,360
No, that looks like, it's not 
like I knew what variety was, 

1032
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,720
you know, when I was eight or 
five. 

1033
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,760
But you know, you thought, all 
right, well, I kind of recognize

1034
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,120
what this is. 
And you knew the songs because 

1035
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,920
people sang, you know, you still
have those kind of songs every 

1036
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,520
now and again. 
But, you know, I'd really like 

1037
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,440
to. 
But I'm more of a Muppet move 

1038
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,000
film person, I have to say. 
OK, I do happen. 

1039
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,520
To know that there's quite a 
number, I think. 

1040
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,560
I think I might be wrong, but I 
think we're talking double 

1041
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,400
figures here. 
Podcast dedicated to The 

1042
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,040
Muppets. 
Oh God, yeah, yeah. 

1043
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,360
Quite a number. 
And, and obviously they cover 

1044
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,440
the the original Muppet Show and
I think most of them are 

1045
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,440
American podcast. 
So I struggled. 

1046
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,480
To think what they would. 
Have made when they're 

1047
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,760
discussing the episodes, for 
example the episode when Bruce 

1048
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,040
Bruce Forsythe. 
Because how much when Bruce he 

1049
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:51,000
was like they were trying to 
break him into America, you 

1050
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,720
know, and he did the he did a 
show in Broadway, like a one man

1051
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,480
show in Broadway, and he had you
to obviously Sammy Davis junior 

1052
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,480
doing this PR from scene. 
This guy, he's the most 

1053
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,040
incredible entertainer course. 
And of course, died a death 

1054
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,360
because, you know, they had some
difference between. 

1055
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,200
So I'm sure that must have been 
ADFC Liz Leslie Lou, what 

1056
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,560
probably is agents. 
Yeah, but yeah, it must. 

1057
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,400
Have it must have. 
Seemed a bit weird but then for 

1058
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,600
us know that we were the pain 
not in the UK certainly went the

1059
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,040
pain consideration for the for 
the production. 

1060
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,640
You know there are a lot of 
people on that wouldn't have 

1061
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:42,920
made very much sense to to us. 
Yeah, I'm trying to think. 

1062
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,360
Well, I mean if you had a six 
year old. 

1063
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,960
And and lived in Glasgow. 
Rita Merino. 

1064
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,160
It doesn't really make it mean 
very much to you. 

1065
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,760
A Milton Bell. 
Yeah, well, exactly. 

1066
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,920
I'm Milty. 
Milty. 

1067
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,040
It's that's really alarming guy.
He just pleased to see me. 

1068
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,000
Like I say that that kind of. 
But yeah, you know, you could 

1069
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,880
see the Milligan scene, The 
Muppets and thinking this is 

1070
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,640
where I need to be. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1071
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,480
Yeah, of course Chris Lagam 
turns up, doesn't even 1 

1072
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,280
episode. 
Yeah. 

1073
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,840
Oh dear, there's a theme been 
running through our 

1074
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,800
conversation. 
Tonight we've been talking about

1075
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,280
what people that. 
That's because we've been 

1076
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,800
talking about British 
entertainment. 

1077
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,560
That's true. 
That's true. 

1078
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,880
That's true. 
OK, now I never. 

1079
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,960
Obviously I became aware of it 
after moving to this country, 

1080
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,720
but again, didn't make it to the
Kiwi shores. 

1081
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,200
Spike appeared in an episode of 
#73 in 1985. 

1082
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,680
Did he indeed? 
Yes, tell me about number. 73 

1083
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,280
What was that? 
You know, I wasn't a great 

1084
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,160
number. 73 fan, right? 
I didn't mind it because you 

1085
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,440
watched it when it was on, but I
couldn't quite get my head 

1086
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,240
around it because you know, the 
time we're kind of more used to 

1087
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,800
like Swap Shop and Saturday 
Superstorm, things like that, or

1088
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,480
even the Saturday show, which 
all me avoiding things. 

1089
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,800
And because #73 of this sort of,
you know, the premise of the 

1090
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,120
House Nanny Ethel and Door and 
you know, the setting or the 

1091
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,040
Jewel glove and all that. 
I'll enjoy it much more if you 

1092
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,720
look back on it now, you know, 
if you watch clips over or bits 

1093
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,600
of it and YouTube now. 
But I was It's Sandy Toxwick, 

1094
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,360
isn't it? 
Yeah, Sandy Toxwick was an. 

1095
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,200
Ethel, I don't know why, because
she must have been about 19. 

1096
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:37,880
Yeah. 
And there was dawn that lassie 

1097
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,440
can't remember, she ended up she
now ended up winning an Oscar. 

1098
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,200
You know she would used. 
To be a Tutu, roller skate, I'm 

1099
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:50,480
sure she, I'm sure. 
That she made her she won an. 

1100
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:55,320
Oscar for short for a short film
Who We Told Me and Number. 73 

1101
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,040
Remember Dawn? 
I didn't. 

1102
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,600
I didn't watch it. 
All right. 

1103
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,040
Unaware of it. 
Oh, sorry, sorry. 

1104
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:00,480
Right. 
OK. 

1105
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,440
I thought you. 
Meant I. 

1106
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,040
Think it. 
Was in super no right so there 

1107
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,200
was an Ethel, but there was a a 
young lass in a very tall blonde

1108
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,080
hair and she wished to cut by on
roller skates. 

1109
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,520
DAW Dawn. 
Ah Dawn. 

1110
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,080
I really don't remember very 
much. 

1111
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,600
More about other than that, 
except that years later she won 

1112
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,880
an Oscar to people. 
When that's done from #73 All 

1113
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:33,080
right, all right, fair enough. 
OK, OK. 

1114
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,280
The Pushpa Capaldi's won one. 
She can win. 

1115
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,440
Yeah, did. 
He did he win it for Kafka's 

1116
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,880
Dick or something? 
I know that's Ellen Bennett. 

1117
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,320
No, it was. 
The IT was. 

1118
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,760
It was like the Kafka, something
to do with. 

1119
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,160
It the strange. 
Childhood of friends? 

1120
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,920
Kafka or something? 
Which I God forbid me. 

1121
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,600
God help me, I've never actually
seen him. 

1122
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:57,600
Should probably be. 
Spike, Was it an episode of 

1123
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,800
Pop's program or how do I 
remember that vividly? 

1124
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,520
Because I watched Pop's program 
every week. 

1125
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,480
Talk about real programs. 
Yeah, I watched. 

1126
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,200
Pop program for. 
Years never understood what was 

1127
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,880
supposed to be going on, what 
was pop, where was he? 

1128
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,880
How did they relate to 
everything else in the program? 

1129
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:22,920
But it was an incredible amount 
sort of melange of items and 

1130
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,120
things and people fall in bets. 
I will when it was. 

1131
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,920
But I mean, I really liked it 
because I watched every week and

1132
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,640
you know, and then I remember 
Milligan being on it because 

1133
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,480
that time I was in the the goons
and everything. 

1134
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:42,880
Hello I am in. 
Head, oh, Head. 

1135
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,560
Heard now. 
You've heard of them like dogs 

1136
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,160
hate got them. 
Sometimes they bite them under 

1137
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,800
head and sometimes at least what
a. 

1138
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,600
Now I did used to watch the. 
I mean Spike, Spike's daughter 

1139
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,720
is Co creator of this animated 
series called The Ratties. 

1140
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,440
Which spike? 
Narrated. 

1141
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,200
That was fun. 
Again, I watched bits of it at 

1142
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,920
the time. 
I've not watched it for this 

1143
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,800
because you know, but it was all
right. 

1144
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,560
But the family Ness wasn't it 
kind of in I was. 

1145
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:23,760
Well, it was. 
It was a bit. 

1146
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,520
More anarchic than the the 
families. 

1147
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,240
And when the artist came along, 
I was like just a bit too old 

1148
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,120
for it, you know, a little bit 
too old for that kind of thing. 

1149
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,800
But I do remember it. 
I remember as being part I love.

1150
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:42,560
I remember principally the great
theme to it, which I was, yeah, 

1151
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:49,200
theme tune, and that sort of a 
stifled laughter narration. 

1152
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,080
That he used to do because. 
He was most of it, yes, But I 

1153
01:07:54,080 --> 01:08:02,400
remember it being part of a sort
of a number of animated programs

1154
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:07,480
at the time that had sort of 
weirdly anachronistic narrators 

1155
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:14,400
because there was one called for
a Mess, which was an Afghan home

1156
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,640
called What a Mess, which was 
Frank Muir. 

1157
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,920
There was stop it and tidy up 
Which? 

1158
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,080
Was true carrot one called. 
Stop and one called tidy up, 

1159
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,920
which was Wargan. 
And yeah. 

1160
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,359
I know I thought it was pure 
star fan of one of the and 

1161
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,160
although the granddaddy of them 
all was probably Trapdoor. 

1162
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,640
Which was probably the first. 
One which is phenomenal with 

1163
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,760
Willie Ruston. 
Oh. 

1164
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:49,439
Have you never seen Trapdoor? 
No, get yourself. 

1165
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,279
To YouTube. 
I mean, I would recommend you 

1166
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,520
just stop talking to me now. 
Go and do it. 

1167
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,160
Right, they were only. 
Like 5, they were like 5 or 10 

1168
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,760
minutes long. 
They used to be on in that slot.

1169
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:08,319
There was a children's TV slot 
at like ITV like about half five

1170
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,160
or five, half five and they just
like a little 10 minute thing to

1171
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,200
make up the rest of, you know, 
the slot from whatever else was 

1172
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,319
on. 
Yeah. 

1173
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:17,680
And. 
It was like. 

1174
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,800
Claymation, and it was a little 
dumpy character called Bert. 

1175
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:29,080
Oh, and a skull called Bony. 
And he walked in a castle. 

1176
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,279
With who? 
And he produced, and he was the 

1177
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,000
housekeeper and cook for what 
was called the thing upstairs, 

1178
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,960
which you never saw. 
It was just this booming voice 

1179
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,520
that we'd go. 
Bert, where's my dinner? 

1180
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,319
And then they would just smash 
up worms and things and put them

1181
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,760
in the ball. 
And there was a trap door in the

1182
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,080
floor. 
Occasionally it would open and 

1183
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,040
things would come out over that.
She used to have to beat down 

1184
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,840
with a speck. 
And it was. 

1185
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,600
It also had a great engine 
somewhere in the dark. 

1186
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,680
And nasty regions. 
Where nobody goes stands an 

1187
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,240
ancient cusp. 
Deep within this dank and 

1188
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:14,440
uninviting place lives Burke. 
Hello, overworked servant of the

1189
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:20,040
thing upstairs. 
But that's nothing. 

1190
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:24,160
Compared to the horrors that 
lurk beneath the trap door. 

1191
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,080
For there is always something 
down there in the dark. 

1192
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,440
Waiting to come out. 
Don't you open that trap door. 

1193
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:30,880
You're a fool. 
Let's. 

1194
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:38,120
Get there. 
Stay away from that. 

1195
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,480
Hi yourself to YouTube to see it
was soon as you get a chance. 

1196
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,560
So the point being that. 
The world, the world was sort of

1197
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:03,440
a a number of I animated in one 
respect or other with comedy 

1198
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:07,760
legend, you know, or you know, 
broadcasting legend voices 

1199
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,320
attached to of of which the 
Ratis was of which the Ratis was

1200
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,880
one. 
But then going back. 

1201
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,600
The Mr. Men series was Arthur 
Lowe, isn't it? 

1202
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,200
And yeah, of course Michael 
Horton was Paddington what a lot

1203
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,600
of Mr. Men there are. 
Well, crib. 

1204
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,400
Oh, you didn't crib. 
Oh, you did the Wombles, didn't 

1205
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,680
he? 
Yeah, yeah, I love the. 

1206
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,760
Wombles. 
I wonder why there's no womble. 

1207
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,400
Film in production. 
Maybe you can't. 

1208
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,200
Maybe you can't be wombling for 
a wombling free. 

1209
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,600
OK, that's a good point if. 
They ever tried to remake The 

1210
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,240
Wombles? 
Well, they brought the Wombles 

1211
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,240
back a while by Elizabeth 
Beresford, I think before she 

1212
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,640
died. 
They did the sort of number of 

1213
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,600
episodes and exactly the same 
way that they did them before. 

1214
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,880
All right. 
I'm not sure they I'm seeing 

1215
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,080
recently because it was probably
there a year ago. 

1216
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:04,360
I guarantee you the time between
the original Wombles and the 

1217
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:08,560
thing I'm talking about is a way
shorter period before the reboot

1218
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,000
and no. 
But yeah. 

1219
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,280
Yeah, but it must be, It must be
true for our resurgence. 

1220
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,560
The wobbles were great about. 20
years ago, maybe less than that,

1221
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,000
I stumbled by accident upon an 
episode of the new Basil Brush 

1222
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,280
show or something. 
Oh yeah, from. 

1223
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,560
The early. 
Noughties they would have been, 

1224
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,880
and it was awful. 
I mean, I loved Basil Brush back

1225
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,520
in the day. 
It was awful. 

1226
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,760
Different voice. 
Yeah, bit like they decided, oh,

1227
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,520
let's base Basil Brush on 
Poochie from The Simpsons kind 

1228
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,520
of thing, you know? 
He's gone back to his own 

1229
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:48,200
planet. 
Yeah, it's it's, you know, there

1230
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,320
are, I suppose there are things 
that just stare. 

1231
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,120
They exist in their own time. 
But. 

1232
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,120
But the Wombles surely are even 
more relevant than they ever 

1233
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,080
wear. 
Yes. 

1234
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,120
Oh. 
Yes, but. 

1235
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,560
Yeah, the the the spike would 
spike would have. 

1236
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,560
Approved of the Wombles the the 
message that they were Oh, I'm 

1237
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:09,760
sure he did. 
I'm sure he. 

1238
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:15,440
Sure he did, although and 
because they don't procreate as 

1239
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,720
well as not adding to the 
population problem, that's true,

1240
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,400
do they not? 
How do they? 

1241
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,160
Well, I would hope not, because 
there was. 

1242
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,840
Like the E of them and only one 
of them was Madam surely. 

1243
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:25,880
Thank you. 
Do any cooking? 

1244
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,160
No wonder Bulgaria had that. 
Glasses and a stick so they 

1245
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,800
always used to think. 
About The Smurfs, I thought 

1246
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:39,440
there's something wrong there. 
Can't quite put my finger up 

1247
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,760
they're. 
Making their return in some new 

1248
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,600
film. 
Oh dear, they. 

1249
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,200
Do they do keep on and? 
I like The Smurfs when there was

1250
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,640
a very small child like The 
Smurfs and the Magic Flute. 

1251
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,920
It's quite trippy and fun, but 
it's kind of weird the more you 

1252
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,640
think about it. 
Yeah. 

1253
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,640
So just just to wind up. 
Now I've never seen just Spike 

1254
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:06,160
was again voice over, I believe 
in a a cartoon I think called 

1255
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,000
the Great Bon in the early 90s. 
All right, right with. 

1256
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,840
With Benteen, apparently. 
As well, I had moved on to a 

1257
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,080
different. 
Kind of great Bon. 

1258
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,360
Oh, me too. 
And and. 

1259
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,880
And a series called Wolves, 
Witches and Giants. 

1260
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,560
Oh no, I remember that. 
In the mid 90s I remember 

1261
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:22,400
wolves. 
Watches and. 

1262
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,720
Giants, that was when there was 
that sort of a resurgence of 

1263
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,640
things like the big nights. 
And because they were, they were

1264
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,880
trying to all these companies 
were trying to get off on the 

1265
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,200
Cartoon Network and everything. 
Then there was like, you know, 

1266
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,320
when you had like the power of 
the Puff girls and Dexter's Lab 

1267
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,320
and all that. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

1268
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,040
Yeah, so you had that animation 
sort. 

1269
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,840
Of bust in the sort of mid to 
the late 90s. 

1270
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,480
So there was there was obviously
a lot of work around which was 

1271
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,120
actually green use for for all 
the voice over people and some 

1272
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,280
of them and some of them are 
very good. 

1273
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,280
Dentist lab was fantastic 
program. 

1274
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:57,760
Can't save, seen it. 
Oh, it's great. 

1275
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,360
But of course, by that time, 
Spake was really winded down. 

1276
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,920
He got to the sort of dawdery 
stage of his post heart attack, 

1277
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:13,920
a thing where he wasn't like 
snappy snappy a Spake anymore. 

1278
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,440
Yes, he was. 
It slowed down. 

1279
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,040
Absolutely slowed down. 
Yeah, really it. 

1280
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,920
Kept on bringing books so you 
know like no books yeah I've got

1281
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,240
those sort of books upstairs 
that I go for presence of you 

1282
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,800
like the baby look on this big 
Millington black PA accord 

1283
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,480
despite milling which I play 
fine yeah they're nice to look 

1284
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:33,120
at but that's a. 
Bit you'd never find they're. 

1285
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,600
Nice to have, but the last, the 
last books of his that I think 

1286
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,280
the last book of his that I 
laughed out loud. 

1287
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,520
That was the loonie. 
I just was about to say the 

1288
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,680
loony. 
Which is hysterically funny. 

1289
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,080
I must revisit it. 
In fact, we could. 

1290
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,640
Maybe one day, Chris, we could 
do oh, that would be funny, 

1291
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,760
because I. 
I remember I read it as we only 

1292
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,480
comes in like 50 years so which 
is like the perfect time to read

1293
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,400
it. 
I'd have been the same, I know. 

1294
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,960
I I just find. 
It hysterically funny. 

1295
01:15:57,440 --> 01:15:59,400
Yes, I just 'cause. 
I I. 

1296
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,120
I used to bust out laughing to 
myself on the bus just seeing 

1297
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,440
the legally Hills tea growing 
area of East of East India, 

1298
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,160
which was the line that he'd 
learned out of the book, the one

1299
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,240
book that you had and just kept 
on seeing as the only fact that 

1300
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:15,760
you knew, which I thought was 
hysterical. 

1301
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,400
I must. 
Reread it, I haven't read it 

1302
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,400
since I was a teenager. 
I'll have to get it. 

1303
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:22,960
I love that book. 
I'm. 

1304
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:24,920
Sure, it's. 
I'm sure it's problematic, but 

1305
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,960
anyway, it doesn't matter. 
So it's funny. 

1306
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,960
It's funny though, when. 
I wonder this is a bit of a 

1307
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,240
diversion as well. 
Don't let me do that. 

1308
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:36,400
But I wonder how much this sort 
of. 

1309
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,880
I'm not and I'm not. 
But honestly, I'm not going in 

1310
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,040
getting into the whole and I 
don't want to. 

1311
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,520
I mean, I'm not avoiding it, you
know, I don't want to be one of 

1312
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,280
these. 
So cancellations terrible. 

1313
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,440
You can't bring back comedy. 
No, that shit, Yeah. 

1314
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:53,800
But. 
You know, you feel there's a 

1315
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,720
sort of a cyclical thing, you 
know, when it was like all 

1316
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,840
political correctness or you 
can't see anything, that then 

1317
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,800
you'd just go. 
Then there's the rebound. 

1318
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,800
And then then everyone settles 
down. 

1319
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:06,800
Yeah. 
And you go from you can't see 

1320
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,600
anything, you can't get on the 
telly if you if you can't tell 

1321
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,080
jokes about the Irish or 
whatever. 

1322
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,560
Yeah. 
And then, of course, it just 

1323
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,320
settles down. 
And it's just you're not people 

1324
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,080
are just aren't being horrible 
on telly. 

1325
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,000
You know, it's like you just not
tell horrible jokes about 

1326
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,960
people. 
And then of course, we've been 

1327
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,920
through all this sort of a 
cancellation thing and which is 

1328
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,480
just people just being told 
naughty be decks. 

1329
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,480
And I wonder if that's going to 
pay this sort of air. 

1330
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:39,880
But we know that the world is 
actually now that Americans 

1331
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,080
adopted A Leninist economic 
policy and there are bigger 

1332
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,640
things to worry about. 
And the only way to deal with a 

1333
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,480
lot of it is to is to laugh at 
it and it will settle back down 

1334
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,000
and not reset because that's not
a good thing. 

1335
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:59,840
I don't think you know, But you 
know, there just be no, just 

1336
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,640
don't tell nasty jokes about 
people who you know. 

1337
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,680
Just learn again to punch up and
don't punch down. 

1338
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,720
Which is what political 
greatness was in the 1st place. 

1339
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,920
It wouldn't surprise me. 
Just based on what you're 

1340
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,160
saying, they wouldn't surprise 
me if the entire 8 series of 

1341
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,520
Rolf's Animal Hospital and 
People Like Us turn up on 

1342
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,360
Netflix. 
Jim will fix it and. 

1343
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,120
We'll get back if. 
We can reopen rolls back to 

1344
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:30,440
club, yes. 
Oh dear God. 

1345
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,160
I did. 
I mean, people like us it. 

1346
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,600
Was great though, wasn't it? 
Yeah. 

1347
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,440
Yeah. 
I mean it was yeah, that. 

1348
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,000
But that's just kind of my 
point. 

1349
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,040
It's like we're not good. 
I'm not suggesting that anybody 

1350
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,680
goes back to saying we go back 
to situations as of course you 

1351
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,280
just put repeats the jumbo fixer
on the telly. 

1352
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,840
It's been, you know, it's all. 
Been very controversial for a 

1353
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,200
long time, exactly the same way 
as it was 40 years ago. 

1354
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,280
It all settled down and people 
just got in with their waves. 

1355
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,040
It'll happen again because there
are things to worry about, 

1356
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,000
absolutely. 
Any sort of concluding thoughts 

1357
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:13,920
about spikes, kids, television 
appearances or any any 

1358
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,080
conclusions that you can draw 
what I think is. 

1359
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,000
Interesting looking back on that
stage of or not that stage of 

1360
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,160
his career, but that strand of 
his career is that he was 

1361
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:28,120
clearly far more amenable to 
taking part and those things 

1362
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,760
than a lot of other things. 
And when you compare like for 

1363
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:37,400
example, some chat show 
appearances or a some of his 

1364
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,640
other personal appearances or 
another fact, whatever. 

1365
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:46,880
We've mentioned the previous of 
our multi level MLM style chants

1366
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,400
that he could be very headless 
if you got me the right mood. 

1367
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,000
If he was fine. 
If he wasn't, it would just make

1368
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,040
a trillion disappoint. 
Yeah. 

1369
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,120
But that clearly wasn't 
something. 

1370
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,480
That he did when he was engaged,
you know, fully engaged with a 

1371
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:03,840
piano, the kids program because 
he he he liked engaging with 

1372
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,960
kids, sly jokes, whatever. 
But you like kids, you like 

1373
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,400
being funny, you like being 
silly and funny. 

1374
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,040
And he obviously found it very 
fleeing. 

1375
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,920
And obviously clearly that's you
can do a didn't know if you like

1376
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,120
and you could drop it. 
You're not going to pay 

1377
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,160
something then not use them. 
And it's actually just quite 

1378
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:31,720
nice to see him enjoying being a
part of something, an annoying, 

1379
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,960
ironic way. 
You're lucky, but appear, play. 

1380
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,800
Like, sometimes you would appear
on, you know, like the Saturday 

1381
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,560
Night Roadshow, for example. 
But then sometimes you would be 

1382
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,600
built to appear on it. 
And then he wouldn't be on it 

1383
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,200
because he was just in a bad 
way, or he was just a bad mood 

1384
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,160
or he'd falling over the 
wavements or something, you 

1385
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,720
know, that sort of thing. 
Yeah. 

1386
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,880
Yeah. 
But and then that was when. 

1387
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,800
You were late. 
Was it going to be late? 

1388
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,560
We've had that conversation. 
Didn't we about embarrassing 

1389
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,440
your? 
Goddessing charts your 

1390
01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:11,400
appearances or or or whatever. 
But but but what's interesting 

1391
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,520
it is to leave the timelines 
next to each other and then in 

1392
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,160
the meantime, he's voicing the 
right ease and he's peeing on 

1393
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,480
super ground and he's taken, you
know what he's going on in, you 

1394
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:22,960
know, pops program. 
But he's perfectly happy. 

1395
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,880
There's no pressure on him. 
He doesn't have to prove himself

1396
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,720
to anybody. 
He just has to be silly and just

1397
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,800
and it's actually sort of young 
Milligan. 

1398
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,520
It says, you know, he's he's 
coming without all of the 

1399
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,800
baggage that he'd packed up at 
the previous 30 years. 

1400
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,720
And that's which is actually 
just really nice to see. 

1401
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,600
And it's much better to watch 
Spank Milligan on super Gran or 

1402
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:52,400
pops program than it is to watch
him on late night line up or 

1403
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,760
something or some terrible 
poetry reading that he's decided

1404
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,080
to do is an alternative 
Christmas night program. 

1405
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:02,880
So yeah, whatever. 
Yes, I'd much rather see him, 

1406
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:08,040
you know, talking about being 
Zookie for Stuart Crazy. 

1407
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,840
So and and and that was and that
way. 

1408
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:17,120
It's actually just nice that you
did all these things because 

1409
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:22,920
it's it proves it proves to to 
fans and but also to non fans 

1410
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,320
that it could just be sort of 
silly and daft. 

1411
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,960
I know they just say that's why 
it is, is memory lingers because

1412
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:35,360
it's like when Bill Cotton said 
to Roy Castle, you know, like 

1413
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,720
there's no point, you know, if 
you're doing all this stuff and 

1414
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,840
it's it's European on varieties.
No, that's fine. 

1415
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,280
But I can give you a kids 
program and you'll have a career

1416
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,160
for the rest of your life 
because all the kids will love 

1417
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,600
you and you'll carry for the 
rest of their lives. 

1418
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,280
Which is exactly what happened 
with Record Breakers. 

1419
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,120
Another example of a program for
kids with phenomenal production 

1420
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,440
values, which is the other 
lesson from this discussion, 

1421
01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:04,960
which is I just wish that we 
still directed resources and 

1422
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,280
things like that. 
Thanks again to Chris. 

1423
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,200
He'll be. 
Joining me again very shortly on

1424
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,520
Goon Pod Film Club to talk about
the 90s film Funny Bones 

1425
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:17,040
starring Lee Evans, Oliver Platt
and Jerry Lewis. 

1426
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:22,120
Go to patreon.com/goon Pod and 
I'll be back next week with 

1427
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,480
another edition of Normal Goon 
Pod. 

1428
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,560
Until then, bye bye everybody, 
bye bye.