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Basically, it all came to me on 
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I suddenly realized that the day
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so immense, it could literally 
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On radio, it's never been 
better. 

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You know, the television is 
totally limited now. 

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It has to be words alone on 
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There's no miracle performances 
of abstract comedy at all. 

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But they certainly it was. 
We exploited it to its maximum. 

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They did have to search around 
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Whirlit Sir Organ playing I want
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changing gear and changing key 
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wonderful idea and sounded very 
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The. 
Hello and welcome to Goon Pod. 

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I am Mr. Thin Leg of 1912 and 
joining me. 

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You only entered 1. 
You only entered one joining me.

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You can hear him there. 
Remains to be seen. 

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It is Steven Hatcher back. 
Hello, Tyler. 

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Good to see you. 
Back, Bach, Not BACK. 

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Yeah, I didn't. 
I didn't. 

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I didn't apply the proper. 
Do you know why? 

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Because there's this, the 
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because we're doing the mighty 
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It's it makes a lot of a lot of 
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doesn't it? 
And so I consulted a Welsh 

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friend of mine because I had 
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that might have been either an 
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anymore or it may just have been
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stereotypical nonsense. 
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Welsh native speaking friend 
said no, no, to this day, French

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people, French people, Welsh 
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do do do do Welsh people do use 
the word Bach, which means small

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or little, and they use it as A 
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And it's quite commonly used to 
this very day. 

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Bach. 
You revealed quite prematurely 

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the The Goon Show episode that 
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Talked I apologise I. 
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hey, it didn't matter because. 
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podcast which has the show's 
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When people download it onto 
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there. 
So trying to maintain an air of 

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mystery is is a redundant, is a 
fool's error. 

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Yeah. 
It rises up through the floor, 

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doesn't it? 
It does. 

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And Steve, this was this. 
This was not what we were going 

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to be talking about. 
Today we weren't, well, we were 

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going to what were we going to 
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We can talk about the the ink 
shortage, weren't we? 

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Is that what we were doing? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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And we both had a bit of a 
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the great ink shortage? 
It's just called the Ink Show. 

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It's the the Virgin Goons, the 
vintage Goons. 

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Which is the Goon Show series 
that was broadcast at the time I

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was born in in in late 1958, 
autumn 1958. 

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And I thought, I thought, Oh 
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the time when I was born. 
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even be bothered to put the word
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And, and I think that sums up 
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particular episode is. 
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and decided independently 
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could do with this one. 
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It's one that I was very 
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Yeah. 
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broadcast actually on UK radio 
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was never broadcast in the 50s 
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And I think I may have only got 
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and I've not really listened to 
it many times. 

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So it was, it wasn't that great.
So we thought, no, that's some 

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but. 
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is completely. 
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Devoid of something to to giggle
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discussion, was it? 
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onto, unlike the mighty 
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a lot to talk about. 
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it's it's considered one of the 
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although it was never issued on 
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but it was included in the first
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Scripts. 
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across it. 
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I ever heard it. 
I was, I was given the script 

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book. 
I've got it with me here now, 

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the Goon Show scripts 1972. 
I had it for Christmas in 1972 

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when I was 14 years old and I 
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Christmas. 
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and by, by the time this one was
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was on its third impression. 
So it had done well, hadn't it? 

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It had done well. 
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that it's got the very 
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Isn't it the it's? 
The grey one, it's. 

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The grey Oh, you've got the 
hardback. 

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Of course you've got the Sorry, 
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paperback, right? 
It is, And that's a copy. 

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I've got a very distinctive 
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Milligan and Secum rendered in a
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Oh yeah, another cover. 
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Yeah. 
Now that do you know, do you 

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know the connection between that
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I I guess it's not a lot of 
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tell me. 
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Michael a pretty unforgettable, 
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A pretty forgettable film which 
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I shouldn't have done because of
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But it was a film in 1973, I 
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English Woman. 
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Is that Glenda Jackson? 
Glenda Jackson. 

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Yeah. 
She's married to Michael Caine. 

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And there's a scene where 
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Not like that. 
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She's reading like a letter from
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Right. 
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and what's Michael Caine reading
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The. 
Good show scripts. 

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The good show scripts. 
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It contains an error. 
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you've got a later edition 
there, whether it's been 

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corrected by the by the later 
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section devoted to this episode,
the Mighty Word itself, it's got

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it listed as the Goon show #146 
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27th of December 1955. 
Now that's wrong, isn't. 

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It that is wrong, yeah. 
Because it was. 

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It was actually the 3rd of 
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transmitted and recorded on on 
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On New Year's Day, because it 
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I don't think was it New Year's 
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No, I don't think it was. 
No, no. 

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But in any case, it was a 
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holiday anyway. 
But. 

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It was oh, true, that's true. 
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anyway, or not the not the 15th.
I didn't 15th. 

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I didn't check actually in the 
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whether they had corrected that,
but I would hope they had. 

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There we are. 
There we are looking, listening 

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to this and looking at various 
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I was, I was, I began under the 
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end of 1955 story. 
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beginning of 56. 
So there we are. 

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Right at the beginning of 56. 
Right at the beginning of 56. 

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And as I like to do, I like to 
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meat and potatoes of the 
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what, what was going on, you 
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these shows were recorded and 
broadcast. 

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There are things that very much 
do impact on this, aren't there 

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because there's there's a lot of
topical references that go for. 

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It Yeah well specifically on the
1st of January 56th of the day 

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that this was recorded Blue 
Spade Shoes by Carl Perkins was 

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released in the US, which was a 
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was, you know classic possession
of heroin became a criminal 

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offence in the UK. 
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1956, you could stroll down the 
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With a needle in your arm. 
Needle in your arm. 

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Yeah. 
And also in January 56, the case

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of the Mckinney's battle horn 
was released. 

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Fantastic. 
Which we will be discussing on 

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this very show in a couple of 
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I would have seen that when it 
it came round with one of the 

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Python films didn't. 
It Holy Grail. 

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Holy Grail. 
Yeah, that's and I didn't know 

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what it was. 
I I was sitting in there waiting

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for my dose of Monty Python to 
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And to my, I mean, almost 
orgasmic pleasure. 

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I was, I was given a dose of 
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It was. 
I couldn't believe my look. 

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Can you remember the the 
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you saw that at the time? 
I'd I'd I'd be pushing it if I 

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said I could to. 
Be I just wondering if to be. 

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Honest, I was too busy being 
excited myself, you know? 

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I was just wondering if, you 
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disgruntled or confused or 
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This in In those days you were 
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the main film came on. 
You'd you'd go into the. 

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Cinema, you'd see the. 
The Pearlandine adverts, then 

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you'd see a short, maybe a 
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that. 
And then you'd you'd see your 

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main feature. 
So you wouldn't, you wouldn't. 

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You'd sit patiently and wait for
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Yeah, no, but yes. 
So the mucky news battle horn 

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was was around this this this 
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Python fans would have enjoyed 
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Oh yes, yeah. 
As well as that, in January 56, 

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the The Lady Killers were still 
packing them in to rave reviews.

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So Sellers is obviously, yeah, 
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And also plans were afoot at 
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become the The Idiot Weekly 
Price Tuppence on TV. 

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Fantastic. 
Yeah, Harry was was doing panto 

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still, I think. 
I think panto used to run till 

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about April back then. 
Or something ridiculous. 

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Well, of course, the, the, the 
three of them had been in the 

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theatre together immediately 
before this, because there's a 

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couple of points in in this 
book, in this episode where 

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there's a somewhat obscure 
reference to Coventry. 

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Absolutely. 
And and it's then it's not in 

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the script or it's not in the 
script in the script book 

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anyway. 
So whether that's an ad Lib. 

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But it turns out because I 
looked this one up as well, my 

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ears picked up a Coventry 
because I'm originally from from

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Warwickshire where they were 
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And it turns out that they, the 
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they used to tour around the 
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it wasn't Sunday. 
But from 31st of October to the 

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10th of December 1955, they were
at the Coventry Theatre in 

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something called the 1955 
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That's right. 
I noticed a program for that 

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that recently come up for sale 
on on eBay. 

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So some lucky persons got hold 
of that along with Charlie 

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Chiroli, the clown who who was 
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Tower Circus. 
We'll talk about the Blackpool 

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Tower, I feel quite sure in a 
little bit. 

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So another Blackpool Tower 
connection coming up later. 

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Yes, so, so obvious. 
That's quite a long time. 31st 

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of October The 10th of December 
To be in Coventry at the best of

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times. 
What brings you here to 

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Coventry? 
Money, money, money. 

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Quite seriously. 
First of all, what? 

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What are you doing here at the 
Coventry Theatre? 

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Well, we're we're doing a number
of concerted terms. 

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But you don't normally travel 
away from a radio show. 

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You're not normally. 
No, we do an odd variety dates 

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together, but the first time 
we've been together as a team 

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over any length of time. 
And what is the show? 

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Commentary, birthday show or the
comedy theatre, you know. 

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3910649. 
And what does the ACT consist 

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of? 
Silly twisted boy or. 

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Yeah, the ACT we do, we do 
individual acts I've heard 

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before and we do celebrated 
longest and stick dance and very

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we're fine. 
Get the last from the people. 

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That's a big. 
Thing that's of course. 

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Yes, coming, Jim, every time. 
Beginnings play Blue Bottle, you

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swine. 
Well, on there. 

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That's why we ought to leave 
them now to get on with their 

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show. 
Yeah, the Coventry here. 

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And 1955 in Coventry you're only
10 years after the Coventry 

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Blitz virtual destruction of the
the city. 

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It couldn't have been the most 
pleasant places to. 

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Be in 250. 5. 
Well, yeah, see, I thought what 

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you were going to say was you've
done some digging and you found 

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out about the infamous Coventry 
performance. 

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Oh. 
Do talents? 

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No, I didn't find that. 
No, go on. 

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Do talent which even to even in 
the 80s Milligan was referring 

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to and and and seek him 
fantastic. 

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And I always get confused 
because I'm not sure I could 

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ever pin down what because I 
don't know how many times in 

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total they appeared at Coventry 
or in Coventry. 

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But it's got to have been around
this time because obviously 

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there's this reference, like you
say, right at the beginning. 

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Secombe says tonight's play was 
written by that great homeless 

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author, lucky, smiling Jim 
Milligan, the darling of 

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Coventry. 
That's not in the script. 

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That's not in the script and it 
wasn't, I looked at the original

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script, Spike's original script 
or photograph of it doesn't have

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it. 
So it's it's it's been added. 

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OK, So what had happened was 
Spike was out doing a bit in 

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front of the audience and the 
audience was just, it was a bad 

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audience. 
They just weren't getting it. 

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And he he shouted something at 
them. 

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He was so frustrated by the 
audience, they shouted 

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something. 
This is up from memory, by the 

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way, something like, you hate 
me, don't you? 

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And they shouted back, yes. 
Or some a few of them shouted 

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back, yes. 
And then he said something like,

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I hope you all get bummed again.
And and and and stalked off to 

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his dressing room, locked the 
door, barricaded the door. 

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And the story is and you know, 
you know how these stories 

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change and all over time and 
memories. 

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Yeah, The story is that seek him
and sellers, or seek him on his 

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own, or sellers on his, one of 
them or two of them, or 

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whatever, they managed to break 
the door down or get in, get 

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into his dressing room. 
And the story is that he was 

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there balancing on a chair, 
trying to hang himself with his 

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belt. 
Oh dear, Oh dear. 

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This story took a dark turn. 
Yeah, but it but it was, it 

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wasn't. 
I don't think it was an 

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intention. 
I think he was just doing it 

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more for effect and that's why 
Coventry was always a bit of a 

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sore point. 
I'll tell you his trumpet there 

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and said something rather 
strange. 

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Yes, he says. 
You hate me, don't you? 

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To the audience, Yes. 
And he was a bad night for 

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Million. 
It was a bad night for me and 

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even his comedy went bad, but he
got the song at the end. 

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You did the old singing gym and 
you know, they've all got 2000s 

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of an inch of forehead this 
night, you know, and the 

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hairline started there and they,
you can feel waves of hate 

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coming up. 
There's also a story, and again,

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it's so difficult to pin these 
down. 

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That's that Sellers were so 
annoyed by the audience's 

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reaction to Milligan that 
Sellers went out onto the stage 

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and played a gramophone record 
on a on a. 

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Gramophone. 
Just sat and the audience 

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listened politely while he sat 
and listened politely. 

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And then they applauded at the 
end of the record anyway. 

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And that would have been around 
this time because it was 

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Christmas time, because it was a
Christmas. 

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It was while he starts Christmas
LP. 

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Oh God, we could we could talk 
about this. 

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There's a little later in the in
this show, in the mighty 

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Wulitzer, when Echols is there, 
he says, he says friends, Romans

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and countrymen and those living 
in Coventry, that's plenty. 

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Your Ears 2 Coventry references 
Yeah, that's right. 

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No, not Toby Shakespeare. 
No, that's Hamlet. 

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No. 
Have you seen Richard the Third?

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Oh no, he died before I was 
born. 

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Then he can't be. 
Only last week I saw him in a 

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picture. 
Oh, what might have been an old 

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one and old living in Coventry. 
In this show written by Spike, 

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he he joins together 3 sort of 
strands based on real life 

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events or people, doesn't he? 
You've got you've got the the 

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real life arms build up in the 
Middle East. 

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Very much so. 
Very much so, yeah. 

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I mean, one of the most 
significant events of the the 

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post war period was the Suez 
crisis of July to November 1956,

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right? 
Egypt had been a British 

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protectorate following the war 
and there'd been a bit of a coup

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d'etat and the hated king of 
Egypt, King Farouk, had been 

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invited to leave and take up 
exile in London and had been 

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replaced eventually by Colonel 
NASA, who was very much an 

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Egyptian nationalist and in it 
for his people and negotiated A 

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withdrawal by the British. 
But the British was sort of 

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holding back on doing their 
withdrawing properly and so NASA

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decided that the only way to 
persuade them to do was there 

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were asked to do was to 
nationalise the Suez Canal and 

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and so on. 
And so the the the Brits now, 

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well, now what the the echoes 
are with current events, the. 

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Brits. 
Well, which I was going to say. 

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Sewers Crisis used to be 
shorthand for the worst sort of 

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military blunder. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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I think that may have been 
overtaken. 

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In modern time, yeah. 
Yeah, because the British and 

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the French, and with the sort of
tacit agreement of the 

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Americans, although the 
Americans. 

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Publicly. 
Well, the Israelis were involved

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as well, weren't they? 
The Israelis, yes. 

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Well, they did because the 
British persuaded the Israelis 

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to attack Egypt and then used 
that as an excuse to send in 

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British troops to take the Suez 
Canal. 

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And it it. 
Yeah. 

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And the Americans were pretty 
much put in a position where 

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they had to to oppose the 
British there. 

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And it all went disastrously 
wrong for British Prime Minister

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Anthony Eden, who was my parents
MP at the time for for Warwick. 

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And Yep. 
And yeah, he had to resign the 

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following year with convenient 
ill health. 

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And yeah, and it's regarded as 
sort of the final nail in the 

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British Empire, isn't it? 
But when we meet Bit Pipe and 

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Moriarty, their scheme is to 
destroy Neddy's Wolitzer organ 

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in order to use the pipes as gun
barrels to sell to Egypt. 

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Sell to Egypt, Yeah, Yes. 
So. 

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Absolutely. 
So you've got this real life 

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tension and the selling of arms 
to Egypt, which is very much in 

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the, you know, torn from the 
headlines. 

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Yeah. 
You've also got this theme in 

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the show of the breaking of a 
land speed record, which 

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obviously Sir Malcolm Campbell 
was well synonymous with. 

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Well, well, no, because I've 
looked this up a bit. 

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Yeah. 
Do you know how many times the 

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world land speed record was 
broken in the 1950s? 

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Yes, Yes. 
Let's see if it right. 

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It's OK the way you're saying 
that. 

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It's either going to be 
something ridiculous like 5000 

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times or never. 
Right, you got it. 

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It's 0. 0. 
Right Zero. 

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The the the the world land speed
record was broken many times in 

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the 30s at Daytona Beach, which 
also gets a mention in this, and

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then in the 1940's. 
The most recent breaking of the 

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world land speed record had been
by a fellow called John Cobb who

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was British, who had driven at 
394.196 mph at Bonneville Salt 

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Flats in in the USA and that 
Bonneville Salt Flats was the 

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center of it. 
But despite numerous attempts 

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during the 1950's, the world 
land speed record wasn't broken 

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again until 1964. 
Donald Campbell in Bluebird. 

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Now I remember Donald Campbell 
being killed when he attempted 

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to to break the world water 
speed record. 

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Coniston Water. 
Was it Coniston Water? 

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Absolutely yes. 
Well, hang on. 

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Sorry. 
Was Malcolm Campbell the father 

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of Donald? 
Campbell yes, Malcolm was the 

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guy who was active in the 30s OK
and Donald was the son who who 

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was doing it to break the world 
land speed record in 64 and then

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was killed on that attempt on 
the the water speed record, 

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however, however, so it's sort 
of wasn't very. 

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In the topicals. 
But except, except, except in on

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the 25th of September 1955, a 
guy called Johnny Allen yes, 

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broke the. 
Bloody good champ. 

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But I think he was American. 
But never mind he broke the the 

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the world Landsby record on a 
motorcycle and 25th of 

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September. 
That's my birthday, by the way, 

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1955, three years before I was 
born. 

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Yeah. 
So it's the motorcycle speed 

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record had broken then. 
And then it was broken three 

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times in 1956 by William Hertz 
and also again by Johnny Allen. 

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So that's the that's the world 
speed record that was in the 

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news at the time. 
There we are. 

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But it's but it wasn't like you 
say. 

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It's not like it wasn't front 
page news, whereas the. 

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Motorbike one might have been 
nice. 

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Yeah, maybe, but the arms build 
up obviously was and. 

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And then for some reason, 
Milligan decides upon the notion

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of a word. 
It's a Rogan, of course. 

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OK, So we'll talk about Reg 
Dixon a little bit later because

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obviously he's, he's like this 
is this word Wurlitzer, isn't 

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it? 
Because I think to the modern, 

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the modern type generation, the 
word Wurlitzer might not mean 

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very much, but it would 
absolutely people in 195556 

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would have absolutely known what
this was about. 

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We'll talk in a bit about it. 
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

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So I'll give you or listers the 
synopsis, the actual synopsis 

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that's that appears in the Goon 
show scripts book. 

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It says a young Ned Seagoon, 
driven by a driving ambition to 

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become the world's greatest 
organ player, leaves his native 

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whales in order to pursue his 
musical studies in the Sahara. 

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They're racing across the sands 
in the cockpit of his fifty ton 

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brass bound Wurlitzer. 
Ned meets unscrupulous villains 

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Gridpipe, Thin and Moriarty 
scrap dealers by appointment and

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purchases of arms for Egypt. 
They have other plans for the 

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mighty Willitzer however, which 
leads Nettie to a hair raising 

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race on Daytona Beach against 
ace organ pilots Crown and 

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Bannister in a desperate attempt
to beat the land speed record 

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for Wurlitzer's. 
But it is a different record 

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that poor Nettie breaks dot dot 
dot. 

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So there you go. 
And the whole show begins with a

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with a kind of a hangover from 
Christmas. 

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Because obviously this is the 
beginning of 56 where 

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Greenslade's still celebrating 
the festivities, isn't it? 

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BBC Home Service Oh, what fun 
we're having. 

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Listeners, will you excuse this 
breach of corporation 

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discipline? 
But well, it is the festive 

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season so whoopee. 
Whoo Mr. Greenslade, stop taking

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most naughty elderly men get 
fit. 

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Hormones get murdered. 
The Welsh bum, a large bloated 

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type announcing gentleman belt, 
the back of that great fat 

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greasy Nutter, yours. 
Did you pick up on this? 

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He says Harry says something and
then Green said says get nerked 

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little Welsh bum. 
Yeah, I, I don't, I, yes, I'm 

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not quite sure. 
Get well now this the script 

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book has printed in 72 says get 
knotted. 

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It does. 
He definitely doesn't say get 

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knotted, does he? 
He says no. 

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So you wonder whether that was 
the word knotted was blue 

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penciled by the producer, but 
bums. 

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OK, but you can't say knotted. 
Yes, who knows? 

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It's. 
Interesting, isn't it? 

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Yes, no, that's right. 
But it is, it is an odd little 

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thing. 
Greenslade is very, it's quite 

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lively, isn't it? 
Quite combative in that opening 

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scene there. 
Well also Greenslade really only

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had the one voice, didn't he? 
And it would say he could do 

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French. 
He could. 

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But he does get an opportunity 
to well, he doesn't even attempt

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to do a Welsh accent, but he 
does play a Welsh character. 

450
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760
Oh, the absolutely. 
And this and in the script book 

451
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,000
it says in brackets English. 
Good evening, Mrs. Seagoon. 

452
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Bach. 
Look, you tis I, isn't it Bach? 

453
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,120
And Seagoon says Who are you 
kidding? 

454
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,160
Yeah, with this, with this 
precise BBC vowels. 

455
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,840
Yeah. 
So we said about how Harry 

456
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,120
introduces Spike as smiling Jim 
Milligan, the darling of 

457
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,200
Coventry. 
And he says now living in a damp

458
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,000
leather Wellington boot off the 
coast of Highgate. 

459
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800
All right. 
And again, that wasn't 

460
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,440
accidental because Wright smack 
bang. 

461
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,600
During this period, Spike was in
the process of moving from 

462
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,080
Highgate to Finchley, and 
references to Finchley 

463
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,880
proliferated from this point 
onwards in the Goon Show as 

464
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,760
well. 
There's a lot of Blue Bottle. 

465
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,200
References to Finchley wasn't 
there E Finchley, Yes, 

466
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,400
absolutely. 
It begins in the in the Rhondda 

467
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,240
valley. 
There was no reason for it to 

468
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,160
begin in Wales. 
Is there other? 

469
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,080
Than it's Harry. 
Other than it's Harry, but how 

470
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,400
was was Harry? 
Seigun is Seigun's kind of meant

471
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,360
to be a stout hearted 
Englishman. 

472
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,200
Isn't he? 
Yeah, You could have started 

473
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,080
every June show in Wales if if 
that was the. 

474
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,320
If that was. 
The rule wasn't it because it's 

475
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,560
Harry. 
Yeah, so Ned's Ned's well, no, 

476
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,320
because they call him Harry. 
His mother's in this played by 

477
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Sellers, yes, doing a doing a 
half decent Welsh accent, 

478
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,360
although he doesn't seem to be 
pretty much effort into it. 

479
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,840
I didn't think, but anyway. 
But he called it. 

480
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,360
She calls him Harry, but it's 
Ned, isn't it? 

481
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,840
Yeah, well, well, yes, Green 
says. 

482
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Sorry, Buck, Mrs. Seagoon, may I
see you alone? 

483
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,840
And Peter answers, Oh, you 
devil. 

484
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,800
And my husband's still in the 
house too. 

485
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,600
And. 
And he then says, Madam, I came 

486
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,320
here to discuss Neddy, so he's 
calling him Neddy. 

487
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,480
So they're not sure confusing, 
they're not sure what they're 

488
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,520
doing there. 
Right, it doesn't. 

489
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,560
It doesn't bear close scrutiny. 
The gunshot? 

490
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,400
Well, of course it doesn't. 
But that's that's. 

491
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,360
Part of the joy of it, isn't it?
Actually, I've just worked out 

492
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:17,040
why this is in Wales at the 
beginning, because Ned Harry has

493
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,360
been in the Chapel playing 
organ. 

494
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,200
Oh, of course, yes. 
I think we could have played 

495
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,840
that in anywhere. 
But anyway, it didn't matter and

496
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,040
that explains why half the 
congregation has changed their 

497
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,800
religion. 
Eccles is taking talking lessons

498
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,120
and practising. 
Is Shakespeare? 

499
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,160
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

500
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,440
Is that Richard the Third? 
Yeah. 

501
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,360
No, it's Shakespeare. 
No, the other way around. 

502
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Is that Shakespeare? 
No. 

503
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,160
It's like Hamlet. 
Yes, that's it. 

504
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,000
Yeah, that's it. 
Yeah. 

505
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200
And then the villagers, I think 
Greenside's been dispatched by 

506
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,680
the villagers with with money to
send Nettie away. 

507
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,840
Yes, that's right for musical 
lessons. 

508
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560
And they turn around to wave a 
fun goodbye to the to the 

509
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,160
village. 
Hear that soundlessness? 

510
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760
For years we heard nothing from 
Neddy. 

511
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,160
And then one day. 
We heard nothing from him again.

512
00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:24,820
We put a light in the window. 
Nothing much happened except the

513
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:27,860
house burned down. 
And this, this, this week's 

514
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:31,180
manufactured catch phrase never,
never reappears. 

515
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:35,680
Is Spike saying. 
Hear that soundlessness that 

516
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,120
crops up a It does, a handful of
times. 

517
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,520
It does. 
It does without gain gaining any

518
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280
traction whatsoever. 
None at all. 

519
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,000
None at all. 
By the way, can I just say, 

520
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,320
well, can I just ask, first of 
all, yeah, you read the script 

521
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,720
book. 
So you read the script before 

522
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,840
you ever heard the show? 
Yeah. 

523
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Did you then get? 
When did you first hear the 

524
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,080
actual show? 
I think it must have been round 

525
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,120
about as recently as maybe 10 
years ago. 

526
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080
There's OK. 
I mean, out back in the early 

527
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:11,640
70s, I was for a brief period to
my shame, only to my shame, only

528
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,560
a brief period. 
I remember the GSPS and I sent 

529
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,880
away and bought some some 
unreleased episodes on tape, but

530
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,560
I don't think this was one of 
them. 

531
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,280
I've still got those tapes I 
should check. 

532
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,400
I don't think this was one of 
them. 

533
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,480
And then maybe no more than 10 
years ago, 20 years ago, a 

534
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,800
friend of mine gave me a disc 
with every extant episode of 

535
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,840
that point on it. 
And. 

536
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,640
And it was really maybe telling 
me that, yeah, yeah, I used to 

537
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,400
do that in the early 90s. 
I used to send, I think it was 

538
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,000
Mark Cousins at the time, friend
of the show, guest of the show. 

539
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,960
He used to be the guy that ran 
the tape library for the GSPS. 

540
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Oh OK. 
I think it was Mark. 

541
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,880
Apologies if I've got that 
wrong. 

542
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:02,400
But I would send, I think I 
would send a £5 note and I'd 

543
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,160
get, I want to say 2 cassettes 
back which show on each side. 

544
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,720
444. 
Shows 4 shows and I'd and I'd 

545
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,040
dub them, make a copy of them 
and then send the original tapes

546
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,400
back. 
I, you know, it's so long ago. 

547
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,080
I can't remember because, 
because I'm talking, I'm talking

548
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,040
7345 maybe something like that, 
yeah. 

549
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Yeah, well, I, I am, I am not as
familiar with this show as I am 

550
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,560
to many others. 
And I don't know why because I 

551
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,120
listened to it a couple of times
obviously preparing for this, 

552
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,560
but it it wasn't as familiar to 
me and I'm trying to remember 

553
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,080
why that was. 
I must have got it late in my 

554
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,080
goon collecting period for some.
Reason. 

555
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,280
It was certainly never repeated.
As far as I can tell, it was 

556
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,080
never repeated in during any of 
those few repeat seasons in the 

557
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,640
60s. 
I did look at it on Genome and I

558
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,200
couldn't find any reference to 
that and nor during the 70s. 

559
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Yeah, well, I never taped it 
because I used to take a load of

560
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,760
them off the radio and and Zed 
when I was a kid because they 

561
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,640
repeated them on the loop, but 
this was never one of them. 

562
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,360
So I must have got it from the 
GSPS library and for whatever 

563
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,760
reason never listened to it a 
lot. 

564
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,840
I mean as. 
As a show, it's it's not I mean 

565
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,200
it, it is well thought of, isn't
it? 

566
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,040
But it's not absolute top of the
tree goon show. 

567
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,480
It's it's certainly funny. 
There's there's plenty to giggle

568
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680
at, but it's not top of the tree
stuff. 

569
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:39,880
It, it gives a good chunk to all
of our familiar pairings or 

570
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,760
characters or whatever. 
There's a, there's a good mini 

571
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,880
and Henry and mini scene. 
There's, there's, there's some 

572
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
good Blue Bottle stuff, some 
good Echo stuff. 

573
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920
All the elements are there. 
That's it, That's it. 

574
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,840
And they're all fine. 
They're all fine. 

575
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Absolutely. 
So getting back to it. 

576
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,640
So Harry, Harry is is before he 
leaves the village, he, he 

577
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,960
insists that one day he's going 
to be another, another Reg, the 

578
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Dixon or or another Dixon or 
another Sandy. 

579
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,960
They make naps. 
Shall I, shall I just go into 

580
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520
that briefly? 
Yes, please. 

581
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,920
Right. 
So Reg Dixon is probably the 

582
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,480
most famous cinema organ player 
ever. 

583
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,720
Yeah, he was most famous as the 
organist at the Tower Ballroom 

584
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,320
in Blackpool, the place where 
they do the the strictly 

585
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,480
Blackpool thing. 
And he was he was in in charge 

586
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,960
there of the of the organ from 
1930 to 1970. 

587
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720
He made and he sold more 
recordings than any other 

588
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,320
organist before since he started
his career as a teenager in and 

589
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080
around his native Sheffield and 
then played organs in 

590
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Birmingham, Dudley, Preston, 
Blackpool and from 1930 he was a

591
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:59,280
regular broadcaster on the BBC. 
By 1931 he was doing 545 minute 

592
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,440
BBC broadcasts per week. 
He broadcast live to the Empire 

593
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,320
and he did tours of cinema and 
concert halls in the winter. 

594
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:19,239
In July 1939, with another 
organist called Horace Finch, he

595
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,040
performed on the new Opera House
Wurlitzer, which was the last 

596
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,360
new Wurlitzer organ to come to 
the UK. 

597
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:30,480
And in the 1950s he was a 
regular on radio and TV and 

598
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,639
appeared at the Royal Variety 
Performance, during which Queen 

599
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,520
Elizabeth said to him, I listen 
to you organ playing quite 

600
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,840
regularly. 
Mr. Dixon. 

601
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,159
All words to that effect. 
So it's. 

602
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,199
Like she's in the room. 
Like she's in the room, Tyler. 

603
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:46,239
I know. 
Queen. 

604
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So he was, he was, he was a busy

605
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
organ player. 
Now there are two other organ 

606
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,880
players get mentioned as well. 
You mentioned Sandy the Mcnabs. 

607
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,640
Well, that's, that's the stock. 
Yes, that's, that's a play on 

608
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,920
the name of a whiskey Sandy 
Mcnabs. 

609
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:12,040
The the Sandy in question is 
Sandy McPherson, who was a 

610
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,440
Canadian born official organist 
to the BBC, the BBC theatre 

611
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,240
organist. 
He's the official BBC One and 

612
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,880
previous to that he'd been the 
organist at the Empire Leicester

613
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Square. 
Right when the war started, the 

614
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,600
BBC decided that it wasn't 
appropriate to be playing all 

615
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,080
the light music they'd been 
playing because it was too 

616
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,240
jolly. 
So they concentrated on almost 

617
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,120
continuous organ broadcasts, if 
you can believe. 

618
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Wonder we won. 
It is from from September 1939, 

619
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,160
he was broadcasting up to 12 
hours a day on a show called 

620
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Happy Days Are Here Again, 
ironically. 

621
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,920
Yeah. 
And then in the early 50s, in 

622
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,320
the early 50s, he was doing a 
show called The Chapel in the 

623
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,960
Valley. 
He retired from the BBC in 1963.

624
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Thank God. 
Yeah, but it was apparently 

625
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,400
this, this 12 hours a day organ 
playing in in September 1959. 

626
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640
They quite quickly realized that
that was madness. 

627
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,040
They were killing their organist
and they were sending their 

628
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400
audience away in droves. 
So they they changed it. 

629
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,320
Ina Barger also gets a mention 
or two. 

630
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,800
Yeah, well, she replaced 
Reginald Dixon, the the, the 

631
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,440
Blackpool when when he went off 
to do war things in 1940 to 45. 

632
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,360
Now she had a long career as 
well and occasionally appeared 

633
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,600
on film and TV. 
She's in Upstairs Downstairs in 

634
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,200
an episode, an episode set in a 
Music Hall. 

635
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,440
You can spot Ena Barga playing 
playing that. 

636
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,120
And she was also in Richard 
Attenborough's film of Charlie 

637
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,320
Chaplin, his film of Chaplin. 
She made an appearance in that, 

638
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,080
again, unsurprisingly, as an 
organist. 

639
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,280
So that's Ina Barker, who I 
hadn't heard of before. 

640
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,520
No. 
Sandy gets mentioned in the 

641
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,440
desert sequences, doesn't it? 
It's it's Sandy on holiday. 

642
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, well, that's that's the 

643
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,880
Sandy from McPherson. 
I want to correct you on a 

644
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,080
slight point. 
Do so. 

645
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,000
Do so. 
Because there's there's 2 

646
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,760
Sandy's referred to in this 
show. 

647
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,800
There's Sandy McPherson. 
Right. 

648
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,680
That he when they talk about the
desert being Sandy, the that's 

649
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000
the reference to Sandy McPherson
that the organist. 

650
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,160
But Secom says he says I'll be 
another one day with another 

651
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,520
Reg, the Dixon, another Sandy, 
the Mcnabs. 

652
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,720
Now he's not talking about an 
organ player because Sandy 

653
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,560
McNabb I believe, no Scottish 
footballer. 

654
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,880
OK, well, because I looked that 
up and and planned that Sandy 

655
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,520
Mcnabs was a was a a brand of 
whiskey. 

656
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,800
So perhaps some. 
Well the information I've got 

657
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,520
and I haven't cross referenced 
but from what I understand he 

658
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,600
was Also it was the name of a 
Scottish footballer as well. 

659
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
OK, who? 
Whose name? 

660
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,440
Whose surname became rhyming 
slang for crabs. 

661
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,840
Oh dear. 
All right. 

662
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,960
So if you've got, if you've got 
a touch of the Mcnabs, that's 

663
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,600
that's what you've got. 
That's much more likely than the

664
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,720
whiskey is. 
Yeah, that is much, much more 

665
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,480
likely. 
Yes, Sunday night and I. 1911 to

666
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,640
62. 
In my research, I read somewhere

667
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:39,040
somebody opined that the reason 
for this line about Sandy the 

668
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,280
Mcnabs was it was Spike's idea 
that both Reg Dixon and and the 

669
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:51,560
Mcnabs were attached to organs. 
Yep. 

670
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000
All right, OK. 
Here we go. 

671
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,120
Yeah, you've, you've absolutely 
convinced me about that one. 

672
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:05,800
Yeah, we're next in the Sahara. 
We meet Grip Pipe and Moriarty 

673
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,960
have. 
We have, we have. 

674
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,640
We had that line about Greek 
Kern. 

675
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,440
Is that? 
Well, coming to that, we're. 

676
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Coming to that, Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, All right. 

677
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,320
I just want to give it, I just 
want to, you know, give a, give 

678
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,320
a sort of an overview of the the
sea. 

679
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,000
So Thin and Moriarty are arms 
agents for the Egyptians, as we 

680
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400
said. 
And they're they're scouring 

681
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,800
North Africa for old abandoned, 
derelict tanks. 

682
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,160
And they see Neddy at this point
driving his weerlitzer at speed 

683
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,440
because he doesn't want people 
copying his technique. 

684
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:35,240
So he keeps moving. 
And as you said before, grit 

685
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,520
pipe realizes that the organ 
pipes would make good gun 

686
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,880
barrels for the tanks awaiting 
shipment to Egypt. 

687
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,640
And the two friends convinced 
Neddy that he will never become 

688
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560
a great organist. 
But if he became the first man 

689
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,520
to break the world's land speed 
record in a Weerlitzer, he'd 

690
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,880
make Red Dixon green with envy. 
Moriarty and myself were 

691
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,480
searching the North African 
deserts for old derelict tanks 

692
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,360
and gardens. 
I'm. 

693
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,240
Walking backwards for Christmas 
across the IED sea. 

694
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,720
Stop the car. 
Stop the car. 

695
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,040
I thought I saw a Greek urn 
buried in the sand. 

696
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,040
What's a Greek urn? 
It's vase made by Greeks for 

697
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,280
carrying liquids I. 
Didn't expect that answer. 

698
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,280
Neither did quite a few smart 
aleck listeners drive on 

699
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,840
mariate. 
No, wait. 

700
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:33,760
Listen. 
By the great sweaters of 

701
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:40,360
Sabrina. 
Did you see that grid pipe? 

702
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,520
And yes, a man driving a cinema 
organ at speed. 

703
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,320
Yes, I can't understand it. 
The nearest Odin is the Clapham.

704
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,320
The poor devil must be lost. 
Lost Sir Pristine Ebolas, what's

705
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,120
the cinema organist doing in the
Sahara Desert? 

706
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,960
It might be Sandy on holiday. 
It's always Sandy on holiday in 

707
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,440
Sahara. 
Good look. 

708
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600
He's turning around and he's 
coming back. 

709
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,680
We hear a snatch of Spike does a
bit of I'm Walking Backwards for

710
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,480
Christmas and that was the first
time that had been heard on a 

711
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,920
Goon show that June. 
It had been heard in December. 

712
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,880
Sellers had a special half hour 
show called The Listening Room 

713
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,880
in which he did some different 
characters and played some 

714
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,840
records and things, including 
characters like Henry Crown, for

715
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,400
example. 
And he played supposedly a 

716
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,560
record of Spike singing I'm 
Walking Backwards for Christmas.

717
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,560
And it would be heard in full in
the goon show The Tuscan Salami 

718
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,280
Scandal the following month. 
And of course it was released as

719
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,640
a single later in 1956. 
But this is the first time I 

720
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,920
believe that you hear I'm 
Walking Backwards for Christmas 

721
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,600
in a Goon show in any form. 
But yes, you mentioned Greek 

722
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,600
urn. 
Why was that? 

723
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Well, because there's that old 
joke, isn't there? 

724
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
What's a Greek? 
And about 15 Bob a week. 

725
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,040
Yes. 
And and they they give the 

726
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,320
feeder line and of course all 
the audience start thinking to 

727
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,400
themselves, they're going to 
hear that old joke again. 

728
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,760
And they just don't play that. 
They go, hey, here a Greek. 

729
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,480
And it's a receptacle invented 
by Grecians for putting water in

730
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,000
or, or something. 
That's right. 

731
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Yeah. 
So they under they under quick 

732
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,880
expectations quite nicely. 
They they the audience bring a 

733
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,680
goon show. 
Audience is going to expect them

734
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
to go for the cheap laugh and 
they don't. 

735
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,960
They do a variation of that in. 
I'm just thinking off the top of

736
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,600
my head now. 
I think it's the Child Harold 

737
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,840
Reward, which is from the ninth 
series. 

738
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,600
I think it's that. 
Could you help me to get this 

739
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,600
sword loose? 
Well, I'll hold it. 

740
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,040
And when I nod my head, you hit 
it. 

741
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,040
Let's get this right. 
You hold it. 

742
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,600
When you nod your head, I hit 
it. 

743
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,320
Yeah, OK. 
Right. 

744
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,520
Hands up all those who thought I
was going to hit him on the nut.

745
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,360
Now there's also mentioned in 
this sequence about have a 

746
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:13,080
statue of George the third I, 
but no, no, the only statue of 

747
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,600
George the third that I think is
at all famous is the one that's 

748
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:24,520
in Weymouth, right? 
I've absolutely no idea if 

749
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,800
that's what they're talking 
about. 

750
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,760
Oh no, I don't think. 
I think it's just a random 

751
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,600
because I have a photograph of 
Queen Victoria. 

752
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,480
Of course they used to say. 
I think it's just a whatever. 

753
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,840
But there is a statue of George 
the Third in Weymouth if people 

754
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,440
want to go. 
And take. 

755
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,200
There's probably more than one. 
Statue of George. 

756
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Well, he wasn't. 
He wasn't that noticeable for 

757
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,160
losing the American colonies, 
was he? 

758
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,920
And and and being a bit potty. 
And also the star of that Alan 

759
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,000
Bennett. 
Played Yeah, the The Madness of 

760
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,840
King George. 
Yeah, which they called The 

761
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,760
Madness of King George in 
America. 

762
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,840
In America. 
Well, I think that that was his 

763
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,800
official title anywhere, because
they didn't want Americans to 

764
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,760
think that there were two prior 
films that they'd not seen. 

765
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,360
That's right, yeah. 
Yeah. 

766
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:18,800
Bless him, bless him. 
Now Moriarty, Yeah, in surprise 

767
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,400
at seeing Seigen at the wheel of
a mighty organ. 

768
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Yeah, says by the great sweaters
of Sabrina. 

769
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,000
Submarina that you must have 
discussed, Sabrina. 

770
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,600
We have, of course, we. 
Have so yeah, bless her. 

771
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:41,000
So again, one of those cultural 
icons. 

772
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,360
Short lived cultural icons. 
Norma Ann Sykes, 1936 to 2016. 

773
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,720
Glamour model, actress and TV 
star. 

774
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,840
Britain's answer to Marilyn 
Monroe. 

775
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Worked extensively with Arthur 
ASCII and his show before your 

776
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,360
very Eyes rarely spoke on 
television. 

777
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,760
Famous for having large 
presumes. 

778
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,760
Yeah, but conical. 
Comical, not comical. 

779
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120
Comically large bazoo. 
In the script, so, so in the 

780
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,560
show, Moriarty says by the great
sweaters of Sabrina in the 

781
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,120
script, Spike's written bursting
sweaters. 

782
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,760
That's right. 
But that's obviously got again, 

783
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,760
blue pencil. 
That's that's slightly too 

784
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,600
right. 
Too. 

785
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:32,560
On the nose or thereabouts. 
There is some of of its time 

786
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,960
dialogue here as well, 
including. 

787
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,080
The. 
Including the C word, not the, 

788
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,600
you know, the C word. 
Not well, there's There's talk 

789
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,200
of the name of the hotel in. 
In Carico the W word. 

790
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:49,960
The W word and then he talks 
about how he talks about that. 

791
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,920
He talks about securing an 
overdraft at the Bank of 

792
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,680
Jerusalem. 
No mean feat in itself. 

793
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,000
Basically a a a nasty little 
piece of anti-Semitism to go 

794
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,400
with the to go with the W word 
that had been thrown in earlier.

795
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,440
But it's all to get. 
It's all together in the script 

796
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,720
so it's easy to clip it all out 
you. 

797
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:11,560
Can just lose that bit. 
Yep, of course you can. 

798
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,640
Well now what was the thing with
the C word? 

799
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,840
I sort of must have missed that.
Rhymes with goon. 

800
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Oh, yeah, that is there, isn't 
it? 

801
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,480
Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, yeah. 

802
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,000
Well, you know, we're talking 
about the, the, the, those 

803
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,560
times, the, the when they played
in Coventry, we were saying that

804
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,200
I noticed that preceding them in
the Coventry theatre was an all 

805
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Negro musical fresh from 
Broadway. 

806
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,640
So this, this wasn't unusual, 
was it? 

807
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,400
This sort of, no, this sort of 
attitude. 

808
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,320
Oh. 
Absolutely you don't. 

809
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,560
I mean. 
But it's not, it's not excuse to

810
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,720
excuse it, but. 
The thing is, you know, people 

811
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:59,680
forget that as as recently as, 
I'm sure there's more recent 

812
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,720
examples than that even, but as 
recently that I can think of as 

813
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,280
the young ones in the early 80s,
there are racial slurs. 

814
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,080
I know they were being used to 
prove a point or make a point, 

815
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,560
but Even so, we're still kind of
acceptable. 

816
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:20,120
Never mind the young ones, in 
this century you've got What's 

817
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,280
it a Little Britain doing? 
Black. 

818
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,640
Yes. 
Yeah. 

819
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,320
Well, that's yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

820
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,120
But hey, we've moved on. 
We've moved. 

821
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,360
On I hope we have. 
They they reference Harry's 

822
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,320
recent chart success as well. 
So he had a single in the charts

823
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,680
called On With the Motley. 
Oh, that's isn't it? 

824
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:49,960
That's from ipadiachi. 
I'm not sure, but I do know I 

825
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,720
know that the B side of the 
single was strange harmony of 

826
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,440
contrasts. 
Do you know what that's from? 

827
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,360
I don't. 
That was from Tosca, apparently.

828
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:04,160
OK, And the the record, the 
orchestra accompanying Harry was

829
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,400
conducted by Wally Stott. 
Of course, he was credited as 

830
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,880
Walter for some reason. 
I don't know why. 

831
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Right. 
And so, yeah, on with the model 

832
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,200
is the common English 
translation of Vesti La Juuba, 

833
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,080
renowned tenor Aria from Rogero 
Leon Cavallo's 1892 opera E 

834
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,680
Patiachi. 
Of course, because you're, I'm 

835
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,000
forgetting that. 
I mean, I know you're looking at

836
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,040
Wikipedia. 
There, I have a look at you are,

837
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,440
you are a quizzer, aren't you? 
You are a bit of a I'm a. 

838
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,120
Quizzer I'm a quizzer and I'm 
mostly an Italian speaker, so. 

839
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,160
Oh, wow. 
OK, OK, but but on with Motley 

840
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:47,080
Harry's record had a little bit 
shut up had a lot of airplay on 

841
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,320
on Housewives Choice. 
Jolly. 

842
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Good. 
And if you remember, I don't 

843
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,600
know if you remember, in the 
Green State story, which had a 

844
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,280
few shows earlier, John Snag had
threatened to ban Harry's record

845
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:07,840
from Housewives Choice. 
And I noticed there was a record

846
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,400
review in the in the Sunday 
Mirror a couple of weeks before 

847
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,080
the show went out of Harry's 
record and it was reviewed by, 

848
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,160
of all people, Ricky Fulton. 
Oh, yes, yes, yes. 

849
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,480
Does Ricky Fulton mean any 
Scottish? 

850
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,240
Comedian. 
Yeah, yeah. 

851
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,600
Yeah, and he, he reviewed 
Harry's and I'll just quickly 

852
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,440
read this out because it's 
interesting, Ricky Fulton said. 

853
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,560
I went along to the Philips 
office to hear the latest 

854
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,560
recording of one of our artists,
one of our artists. 

855
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,320
The artist was there when I 
arrived. 

856
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,680
I stuck out my hand, he took it 
and, clasping the rest of me 

857
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,440
tightly, danced me around the 
office. 

858
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,040
His name? 
Harry Secombe, in tremendous 

859
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,080
voice, he sings on with the 
motley and strange harmony of 

860
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,760
contrasts. 
I know, I know that these 

861
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,520
operatic choices, so suitable 
for Harry, may have a limited 

862
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,520
appeal among the fans whose 
enthusiasm put a disc among the 

863
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,480
best sellers. 
But I would choose this as my 

864
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,920
record of the week in tribute to
the great guy and a wonderfully 

865
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,640
versatile artist. 
Fantastic. 

866
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,800
And of course Ricky Fulton gets 
referenced in the In the Goon 

867
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,120
show in the Wisting, Spy, Enigma
all. 

868
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Right to see. 
I'm not sure, I can't think of 

869
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,880
the context now, but he does get
referenced. 

870
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,040
You mentioned John Snag. 
He was a pigeon fancier. 

871
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,600
John Snag? 
Oh, didn't know that. 

872
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,120
Well, yeah, the reason I know 
this is because when I was, I 

873
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,920
would have been a teenager, 
maybe my mum's cousin, who we, 

874
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,520
you know, we were friends. 
We were close with. 

875
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:40,600
He kept pigeons and one day a 
strange pigeon turned up in his 

876
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,480
pigeon loft with with a strange 
pigeon. 

877
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:49,560
He looked at the pigeon's ring 
as it were, and, and, and phoned

878
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,200
the the owner of this pigeon 
that has gone astray and it was 

879
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,880
none other than John Snagg. 
And, and he returned, He 

880
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,520
returned the pigeon to John 
Snagg who was very grateful and 

881
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,960
very pleasant by all accounts. 
An absolute gentleman. 

882
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,040
John Snagg, there we are. 
Could you imagine phoning John 

883
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,280
Snagg? 
The how? 

884
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,600
Hello, this is the BBC. 
Bizarre. 

885
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,960
That would be that conversation.
Yeah, yeah, particularly if 

886
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,280
you're used to watching the boat
race. 

887
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah as well. 
Oh, and and we get the 

888
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,160
introduction to Neddy of 
Moriarty. 

889
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,480
This is reference to top of the 
show. 

890
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,040
He's He's introduced as Count 
Fred Moriarty Crack Leather 

891
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,920
bouquet player and voted Mr. 
Thin Legs of 1912. 

892
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,440
That was changed bouquet at the 
in the first reference, wasn't 

893
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,560
it? 
It was. 

894
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:47,320
Because the the book bouquet is 
mentioned in the first scene and

895
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,560
it's changed to something else, 
I'm just trying to find it. 

896
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,880
It's, I haven't got it to hand, 
but you're right, I know it was 

897
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,040
changed. 
Yeah. 

898
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,280
Yeah, I can't remember, but yes,
it was changed on in the 

899
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,040
broadcast version, Yeah. 
What does bouquet mean? 

900
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,320
I don't know that word. 
Do you know I was relying on 

901
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,080
you? 
You're looking at me around on 

902
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,560
me, right Boucane? 
BU spell it for me B. 

903
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,360
UCAINE as in Michael. 
Caine, as in Romantic English 

904
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,920
woman. 
Boucane, yeah, OK. 

905
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:29,120
Well, now then, Boucane Bupivac 
boopivacaine hydrochloride is a 

906
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:34,880
potent, long acting amidotype 
local anesthetic used for 

907
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,800
infiltration anesthesia, nerve 
blocks, and epidural anesthesia.

908
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,800
Yeah, it blocks nerve impulses. 
So it's a painkiller. 

909
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,440
It's. 
Yeah. 

910
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,520
Well, that's interesting, isn't 
it? 

911
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,360
It's not very funny, is it? 
No. 

912
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:56,800
Not massively, but of course. 
Yes, Moriarty corrects Brett 

913
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,280
Pipe and says Mr. Thin leg of 
19. 

914
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,360
That's it. 
Because I only entered one and 

915
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,840
and I made me wonder. 
I was thinking, because we know 

916
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,200
that that Peter Cook was a huge 
fan of the goons. 

917
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,440
Do you think Peter Cook might 
have? 

918
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,240
Might have? 
Mr. Spigot for the role of 

919
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,680
Tarzan. 
Well, she wrote for Kenneth 

920
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,680
Williams originally, didn't he? 
I think. 

921
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,320
It well, it was in, yes, I think
so. 

922
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,280
But then Williams didn't use it 
and then because Spigot is very 

923
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,600
much a Williams type name, isn't
it? 

924
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:33,160
And then it was used in in 
beyond the beyond the fringe. 

925
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:38,720
It was in Beyond the Fringe and 
then it was done again for I 

926
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,280
think it was done again for not 
only but also, but he also crops

927
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,000
up because I watched it just the
other day as it happens in the 

928
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,240
Peter Cook and Dudley Moore 
version of the Hand of the 

929
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:53,040
Baskervilles. 
It certainly does, which it is 

930
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,160
shamelessly, shamelessly. 
No, I love that film. 

931
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,120
I love it, but covered it. 
Oh yeah. 

932
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:04,520
But the Tarzan, the Tarzan thing
is shamelessly shoehorned into 

933
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,040
that where it's got no business 
being, but it's brilliant for. 

934
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,040
To see it done. 
We covered it a couple of years 

935
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,480
ago now. 
And I I remember there is a 

936
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,680
reason it was, it was a yeah, 
like you say, it was shamelessly

937
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,200
crowbar. 
And I think, I think from memory

938
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,200
on the insistence of the 
producer or the director anyway,

939
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,600
I might be wrong, but I, yeah, I
would direct listeners to that 

940
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,000
show. 
We did it on hand of the 

941
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,080
basketball. 
And I would say watch the film 

942
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,200
as well because it's brilliant. 
That's not it's got kind of 

943
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,360
Williams in it, actually. 
It's got, it's got Spike in it 

944
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,360
very briefly. 
He's. 

945
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,200
Great. 
And it says that in the credits,

946
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,000
doesn't it? 
I'm, I'm, I'm very brief. 

947
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Fleetingly. 
Spike Milligan. 

948
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,960
Yeah. 
I really enjoyed the 

949
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640
introduction to Max Galtrey as 
well. 

950
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,920
Max is here to play his 
perforated Arab neck, Twig and 

951
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,920
Steam Boot. 
Well, now, now you mention Max, 

952
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,360
who is his usual brilliant self 
here. 

953
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Yeah. 
Where's where's Ray? 

954
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,600
Where's Ray? 
Because it introduces the Ray 

955
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,440
Ellington Quartet, and he's not 
there. 

956
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,160
He's been very quiet. 
It's what we get is a guitar 

957
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,800
solo with no vocals. 
Well, we know, but I know. 

958
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,200
But that happened occasionally. 
I think Ray plays some some sort

959
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,240
of instrument. 
I guess it's not. 

960
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,680
It's unusual though, isn't it? 
Because we haven't, we normally 

961
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,840
get racing in perhaps a sore 
throat or something. 

962
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:33,200
Yeah, they've travelled to 
Daytona for the record attempt 

963
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,080
and hire the great military 
organ engineer, Major Blood 

964
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,080
Knock. 
Moriarty bribes Blood Knock to 

965
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,640
loosen all the nuts and bolts so
that the organ falls to pieces 

966
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,600
once it reaches speed. 
Bludnock recognizes echoes as 

967
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,720
his old Batman, and they 
reminisce the second Feel free. 

968
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,720
Glad we'll come back to that 
just then. 

969
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,400
Just then, Minnie and Henry 
driving the festival organ 

970
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,200
prepare for an attack on the 
land speed record. 

971
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:02,440
OK, so the stand out scene or 
line or sequence in this bit is 

972
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,000
is with Eccles and Blood Knock 
Eccles. 

973
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:11,200
Major. 
Private Eccles Meow, Batman, you

974
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Remember Me, Major Blood. 
No, I remember you major blood 

975
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,520
knock. 
You must remember the good times

976
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,600
we had. 
Remember the good times we 

977
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,960
heard? 
Remember that Nappy Bird? 

978
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,360
You. 
Remember that Nappy Bird? 

979
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,160
What was her name now? 
Filthy Gladys. 

980
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Her name was Filthy Gladys. 
Of course you were too young to 

981
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,320
enjoy it but me and the lads, we
had a wonderful time with her. 

982
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,920
You and Allah you had a 
wonderful time with. 

983
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,480
Her. 
I wonder what became of old 

984
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:50,360
filthy Gladys. 
I married her 4. 

985
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,800
Weddings used a variation of. 
Their wedding and also whatever 

986
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,760
happened to the like of that 
where they're reminiscing about 

987
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,440
a coach trip they did when they 
were at school and they go on 

988
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,240
about how they were each of them
was snogging in the back of the 

989
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:10,560
coach with this this woman and 
this girl and how she was. 

990
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,200
Everybody had had a go and turn 
on her at some point. 

991
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,160
Oh, whatever happened to her? 
And then one of their other 

992
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,160
friends sitting there said I 
married her. 

993
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,760
Yeah, Yeah. 
So. 

994
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,840
There So it's obviously I mean 
I'd love to think it was that 

995
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,320
gag if you like was invented in 
this show, but it's probably 

996
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,200
it's probably probably goes back
to bloody it's. 

997
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,040
Musical, isn't it? 
Yeah, yeah. 

998
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,560
Filthy Gladys. 
I'm afraid I just giggled at the

999
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,400
name Filthy Gladys from it I. 
Mean. 

1000
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,880
It just conjures up such an 
image, doesn't it? 

1001
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,400
And then the the sequence of 
Minnie and Henry souping up this

1002
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:56,520
festival organ organ, with Henry
getting enraged by Minnie's 

1003
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,640
increasingly sinful, sexy, crazy
American type rhythm singing. 

1004
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,560
And a couple of references to 
people, one which will confuse a

1005
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640
casual listener. 
A reference to Jim Davidson, but

1006
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,840
it's not that one. 
Not that one. 

1007
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,240
And a reference to Paul Fenylle,
did you? 

1008
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Were you aware of? 
Either of these, no, I didn't 

1009
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,360
get. 
I didn't get those, didn't get 

1010
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,880
those two. 
So Minnie says, remember what 

1011
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,880
Jim Davidson said, get modern in
six weeks or get out now. 

1012
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,520
That exact reference I don't get
in reference to this Jim 

1013
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,280
Davidson because Jim Davidson 
had been a bandleader, but more 

1014
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,560
importantly for the goons, he 
was ABBC producer and he he was 

1015
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,560
assistant head of variety. 
He was an Aussie, very blunt 

1016
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:51,240
speaking, speaks as he finds 
type, you know, and he could 

1017
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,880
deal with Spike on very much 
equal terms. 

1018
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:59,640
And I think Spike knew better 
than to push him too much. 

1019
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,320
And he was the guy who he 
appointed people like Roy Spear 

1020
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,000
as Goon show producer. 
And he had many dealings with 

1021
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,960
the Goons as assistant head of 
light entertainment. 

1022
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,040
And also he produced a historic 
Beatles concert in the Royal 

1023
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:25,480
Albert Hall in April 1963. 
And Paul Fennulay, because Henry

1024
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:26,840
says you can't talk to me like 
that. 

1025
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,720
I'm a friend of Paul Fennulay. 
Paul Fennulay was a trombonist, 

1026
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,600
A trumpeter and a French horn 
player, and he was also an 

1027
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,520
arranger and conductor, and he'd
played with band leaders such as

1028
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,520
Jack Hilton, who is regularly 
referenced in the Gun Show. 

1029
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:49,120
At least his music is and he 
eventually became He was 

1030
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,640
conductor of the BBC Variety 
Orchestra and he it was the 

1031
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,240
conductor of the variety 
orchestra in the now lost 

1032
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,360
episode of the Goons. 
It's a crossover episode Archie 

1033
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,400
in Goonland from 1954. 
So he so he has technically Paul

1034
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,480
Fennule has appeared in a Goon 
show of sorts and he also gets 

1035
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,880
referenced briefly in the Goon 
show 1985 clusters I may 

1036
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,720
remember. 
But again, it just seems like 2 

1037
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,080
random names in in joke names if
you like. 

1038
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,400
I've heard I've. 
Heard 1985 fairly recently 

1039
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:33,600
because couple of years ago I 
did a, a, a a watch through of 

1040
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,920
all the works of Nigel Neil that
survive on television, 

1041
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,520
Quatermass onwards. 
And I'd also listened to the 

1042
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,720
three goon shows as part of that
as well that are derived from 

1043
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,320
Nigel Neil stories. 
Nigel Neil TV Yeti and Scarlet 

1044
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,600
Capsule in 1985. 
Yes, yeah. 

1045
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,960
So yeah, so I've heard. 
That recently? 

1046
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,280
Well, he was. 
He was, and Nigel Neil was a 

1047
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,080
sort of a friend of Spikes as 
well, yes. 

1048
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:02,480
Yes, and and he and he enjoyed 
those those parodies on the Goon

1049
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,000
show as well. 
It's he was a famously grumpy 

1050
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,400
man, but, but but he made an 
exception where it when it came 

1051
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,840
to the Goon show. 
My ambition is to be the the 

1052
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,200
second Nigel Neil in terms of 
being a famously grumpy man, not

1053
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,720
in terms of not in terms of the 
talent. 

1054
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,720
The I love the all the Minnie 
and Henry arguing with the the 

1055
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,280
arguing is punctuated by brief. 
Moments of silence. 

1056
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,440
Yes, yes, yes, yes. 
It stops. 

1057
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,920
It stops and you can't 
understand a word they're 

1058
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,360
saying, but here's the other 
stop. 

1059
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,160
And then it starts. 
Again. 

1060
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,960
And then if that's it, and then 
of course you hear the the the 

1061
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,800
mighty sound of the organ, which
took them a while to to do, but 

1062
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,760
they managed to do a really good
job of making it sound like a 

1063
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,600
convincing vehicular whirl it 
so. 

1064
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:57,760
Whatever that would sound like. 
Yes, and as as the show sort of 

1065
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:03,920
reaches its its end, we have 
Blue Bottle and Neddy discovers 

1066
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,960
that Cren's organ is faster than
his just so to speak, and he he 

1067
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,920
pays blood not to put a bomb in 
Crun's organ. 

1068
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,160
Yeah, there's there's an attempt
to get Blue Bottle to do it 

1069
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,840
isn't the first because they 
bribe him with a picture of 

1070
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,520
Sabrina to to to come down and. 
Yeah, and. 

1071
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,760
Even then he won't do it and 
blood neck ends up doing it. 

1072
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,720
Yeah, he's being, he's being 
bribed by Neddy with cardboard 

1073
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,200
Brandy ball, Yes, which you can 
imagine such a thing. 

1074
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,440
And he and he has this brief 
little reverie blue bottle where

1075
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,880
he thinks with these sweets, my 
my prestige will increase at 

1076
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,360
school. 
If I gave one of them to Winnie 

1077
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,640
Hemp, it might act like a love 
filter. 

1078
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,880
And when he the moment he says 
seller says Winnie Hemp, you 

1079
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,080
hear this reaction of the 
audience, don't you? 

1080
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,280
Think with these types of 
sweets, my pristine will 

1081
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,440
increase at school. 
Yeah, thinks again. 

1082
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:06,200
If I gave one of them to Winnie 
Hemp it, it might act like a 

1083
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:14,120
love filter on her and then. 
Yeah, like you say, there's a 

1084
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,920
there's a picture of Sabrina 
again. 

1085
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,880
And then and then when Sabrina's
mentioned, blood knocks 

1086
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:26,120
excitedly and and there's a line
that I can't work out what it 

1087
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:31,560
means, but it gets a laugh, says
Segan, says blood knock, throw 

1088
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,840
that sofa away and then carries 
on talking. 

1089
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,760
But there's but that line Got a 
laugh. 

1090
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,520
No idea. 
Now, I know if you were to say 

1091
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,720
that in 2026 with reference to 
JD Vance, yeah, then, then, then

1092
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,280
I can understand why that might 
get a laugh. 

1093
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:54,400
But in 1956, blood not can. 
So I don't know. 

1094
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,680
It's just, it's a word. 
Felt in the Goon show, isn't 

1095
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:00,120
that that that got yes. 
Got past the sensors, yes. 

1096
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,720
Yes. 
But listeners, if anyone can 

1097
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,960
throw shine a light on that, 
please let me know. 

1098
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,960
And of course the the show 
ultimately ends on an explosion 

1099
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:17,920
which and has a nice tie up 
ending where Neddy he doesn't 

1100
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:23,480
win the world speed record but 
he he sets the world at altitude

1101
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,960
record. 
Organs for organs now. 

1102
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,320
Also, there's a there's a 
difference in the the show as 

1103
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,120
broadcast and the script as it 
finishes as well, because the 

1104
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:39,000
the script as published in back 
in 1972 has has Blue Bottle 

1105
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,280
repeating Greenslade's closing 
announcements, doesn't it? 

1106
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,360
Yes, That's not in the in the 
show as broadcast or show us as 

1107
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,280
as it's come down to us anyway. 
No, it it, it was in the 

1108
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,320
original script. 
It's obviously reprinted in the 

1109
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,080
Goon show script. 
Blue Bottle does do that in a 

1110
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Goon show now. 
Do you know what I should have 

1111
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,080
checked? 
I'd never thought to check. 

1112
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,520
It don't matter. 
There might be the fair of 

1113
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,240
wages, but in the Goon Show 
Scripts book, there is a line 

1114
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:14,880
that Spike Milligan has added in
1972. 

1115
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,040
He's added a line that wasn't in
the original show or original 

1116
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:25,680
script, OK? 
And I can only think it was 

1117
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,320
because it was a favorite line 
of his that he would trot out 

1118
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:35,880
frequently in the Q series and 
the like, OK, there's a bit in 

1119
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,680
the script where you hear a cash
register. 

1120
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,520
And then. 
But in this in the script book, 

1121
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:49,760
Spike has blood knocks saying, 
oh, the old Jewish piano, IE 

1122
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,640
cash register. 
Yeah. 

1123
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,280
We're not good. 
No, but that wasn't in the 

1124
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,120
original script or anything, so 
Spike's just added that, yeah. 

1125
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,520
Yeah, it's not in the script 
book, is it is. 

1126
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,200
It it's in script book I'm. 
Just looking now. 

1127
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,640
I can't. 
Oh, yes, sorry. 

1128
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,560
You're quite right. 
FX Till blood knock. 

1129
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,920
Oh, the old Jewish piano. 
Yeah. 

1130
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:13,880
OK. 
Another one. 

1131
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,160
Yeah. 
Spike enjoyed that. 

1132
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,240
Line. 
Great. 

1133
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,320
Well done, Spike. 
Yeah. 

1134
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,640
OK. 
Should I just say a word about 

1135
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,560
Willitzer? 
Because the title is the Mighty 

1136
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,720
Willitzer and you might think 
that's a bit of a spikism, the 

1137
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,200
mighty this and the other but 
but these organs were known as 

1138
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,840
the Mighty Willitzers. 
That's what they were known as 

1139
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:42,480
Wurlitzer Theatre Company, 
founded in 1853 by Rudolf 

1140
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:48,440
Wurlitzer of Cincinnati, OH and 
the first their first theatre 

1141
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,000
organized organs rather were 
introduced in 1910. 

1142
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,000
Now this is, this is the time of
silent films when you'd, when 

1143
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,560
the cinema started, they had 
somebody sitting tinkling on a 

1144
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,760
piano at the front to provide a 
compliment to the, to the film, 

1145
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,720
didn't they? 
But then they, they that sort of

1146
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,560
developed into these big theatre
organs in the big cinemas. 

1147
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,880
And they would very often rise 
up from the, the beneath the the

1148
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:19,240
orchestra pit as was in a 
spectacular way, you know, by 

1149
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,840
the mid 1950s, which is where we
are here, of course, they were 

1150
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,760
being removed from cinemas. 
And Wurlitzer introduced 

1151
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:32,680
electric pianos in 1954 and were
producing them until 1983. 

1152
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:37,920
They'd been producing jukeboxes 
since 1933 and went out of 

1153
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,800
business in 1974. 
Now the the Mighty Wurlitzer 

1154
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,600
still remains in Blackpool Tower
Ballroom, the one that Rich 

1155
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,840
Dixon played and that is most 
often played these days, almost 

1156
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,120
daily by someone called Phil 
Kelso. 

1157
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,200
This one was designed by Rich 
Dixon, and that also rises from 

1158
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,120
beneath. 
Beneath the stage. 

1159
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,960
Or if you read my notes, from 
beneath A stag. 

1160
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,480
Several UK cinemas still have 
working organs. 

1161
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,880
The Plaza in Stockport. 
Paramount. 

1162
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,880
Penniston, Rex. 
Elland Troxy. 

1163
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,320
London, Paramount. 
But yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1164
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:22,120
Yeah, it would be Penniston. 
I am next week naming no names, 

1165
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,240
but I will be talking to another
maestro of the of the of the 

1166
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,800
well. 
It's not an organ, but it's a 

1167
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,200
who's who's very well known in 
his particular. 

1168
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,279
Field, I think I know you might 
be talking about, but I should 

1169
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,040
say nothing. 
The Odeon looks in Leicester 

1170
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,840
Square still got one the rare. 
So they're still, they're still 

1171
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,040
around these, these, these 
mighty Wurlitzers, the record 

1172
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,600
from the remembrance of a bygone
age. 

1173
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,479
Just up the road from where I 
live in Derbyshire. 

1174
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,160
It's not a whirling Sir, but 
there's a garage, it's a village

1175
01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:00,120
called Thorpe in Derbyshire here
where they do not quite monthly,

1176
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,160
I think they're about bimonthly 
organ recitals on an old theatre

1177
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,720
organ. 
And they, they get very good 

1178
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,279
crowds upon the garage, for 
heaven's sake, but they get 

1179
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:13,040
quite good turn out for people 
to come and listen to people 

1180
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,760
playing the organ. 
So it's not, this is not a dead 

1181
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,319
art. 
This is not a an entertainment 

1182
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:23,200
of of that is completely died 
out, which is you might think it

1183
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,520
should have done it's. 
Well, I mean, I always used to 

1184
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,040
read, you know, in the Radio 
Times, Nigel Ogden, the 

1185
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,760
organist. 
The organist entertains Yes. 

1186
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,960
I always used to think that 
should have a question. 

1187
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Mark at the end. 
Yes, really. 

1188
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,720
Or, or at least inverted commas 
when the words entertain. 

1189
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:46,720
Yeah, yeah. 
But don't look with Nigel Ogden.

1190
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,200
There we go. 
We've covered some ground. 

1191
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,000
So Steve, we have we have just 
like Neddy in the Sahara with 

1192
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:59,840
his with his weinertser. 
So thanks a lot for I'm glad we 

1193
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,320
chose this one. 
Thanks so much. 

1194
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,440
And and what have you got? 
I know is Hooverville. 

1195
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,400
Was that what it's called? 
My Doctor Who convention, 

1196
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,880
Hooverville, yeah, Hooverville 
17 is on the 5th of September 

1197
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,920
this year and we've already 
announced various Doctor Who 

1198
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,720
luminaries. 
Janet Fielding, Sophie Aldridge,

1199
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,840
I'm about to announce Anita 
Dobson as we speak. 

1200
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,760
He's going to be coming. 
Oh. 

1201
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,160
Yes, yes. 
So yeah, we have some good 

1202
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,120
guests and that's a one day 
event. 

1203
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:34,920
And tickets still on sale from 
derbyquad.co.uk. 

1204
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,520
Here's a question for you. 
I can't think of the name 

1205
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,920
myself, but because you're a 
quizzer, you might you might 

1206
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,280
know this. 
And what was the name of Anita 

1207
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,240
Dobson's sitcom set in a 
hairdressing salon? 

1208
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,960
Oh Blimey, now you have got me. 
OK. 

1209
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:54,480
I won't look at each. 
Other. 

1210
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,720
I just remember there was one, 
no. 

1211
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,200
The the people, people at home 
will be shouting at their their 

1212
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,240
iplay, at their. 
Yeah, I tell you what. 

1213
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:05,240
Let's leave it as a as a Let's 
leave it as a tantalizing 

1214
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,960
mystery. 
If anyone knows, please message 

1215
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,160
me and you win a word. 
It's a. 

1216
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,000
A pocket. 
Well, it's a pocket. 

1217
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,120
I don't. 
Don't go there. 

1218
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,400
Don't go there. 
Don't go there, no. 

1219
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,480
So anything else to promote 
Steve? 

1220
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,520
Not really. 
I mean, there's a bit of writing

1221
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,760
here and there. 
I write for a magazine and 

1222
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:33,560
series of books called We Belong
Dead, which is about horror. 

1223
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,520
It's a quote from Bride of 
Frankenstein, horror cinema and 

1224
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,400
things like that. 
So I'm regularly up here in the 

1225
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,960
books and magazines produced by 
We Belong Dead. 

1226
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:49,640
I all being well, have a book 
out in August, part of the Black

1227
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,840
Archive range of Doctor Who 
books from from obverse books, 

1228
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:58,080
which are each book is a 
basically a monograph about a 

1229
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,960
particular Doctor Who story. 
So mine is about the invasion 

1230
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,840
from 1968 that should be coming 
out in August. 

1231
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,280
All being well, but things can 
change, schedules can change, so

1232
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,000
who knows. 
Very good. 

1233
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,680
Well, as I say once again, Seth,
thank you so much. 

1234
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,320
Absolutely pleasure. 
Loved it and definitely like to 

1235
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,080
have you back on the show in the
future to talk about we'll get 

1236
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,360
you back for the ink shortage 
you. 

1237
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,960
Know we yes, because if we 
don't. 

1238
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:28,800
No one. 
Else no one else. 

1239
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,640
You can't have a gap, can you? 
We, we, we need to just give 

1240
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,280
that a bit more thought. 
When it gets to the point when I

1241
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,720
have to do that one, I'll I'll 
tap you up. 

1242
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,040
No, no. 
OK, get you back for a better 

1243
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,400
OK. 
But we, we, we need to give that

1244
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,240
a bit more thought and and not 
allow that to beat us. 

1245
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,040
No, no. 
And listen listeners, I'd like 

1246
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,440
to extend my thank you to you 
for sticking with us this far. 

1247
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,000
And, and it's been, it's not 
just been an enjoyable 

1248
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,640
conversation, it's been an 
informative one. 

1249
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:07,880
We have been, we've, we've been,
we have been invoking the great 

1250
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,400
Lord Reece. 
We've been, let's say go 

1251
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,960
educating, entertaining. 
And how does it go? 

1252
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,840
Yes, education, informed, 
educate and entertained. 

1253
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,720
Entertained. 
I think you've ticked two of 

1254
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,280
those boxes at least. 
Yeah, OK. 

1255
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,680
How many podcasts mentioned in a
barger? 

1256
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,440
There you are. 
That's true. 

1257
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,560
And and Sandy Mcnabs so. 
I think I've got that one. 

1258
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,240
I've wiped that one from memory 
I don't wish to think about. 

1259
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:44,480
That yeah, but but as I say, 
thank you for listening and next

1260
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:49,600
week special guest and and then 
yeah, a couple of weeks we'll be

1261
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,560
covering the muckatees battle 
horn as trailed earlier. 

1262
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,320
Fantastic. 
So so Steve speak to you again 

1263
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,760
soon. 
Thanks listeners for listening. 

1264
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,400
Until next week. 
Bye. 

1265
01:14:35,840 --> 01:15:02,960
The. 
The.