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The original record-breaking 
shower of comics are back again.

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In the sequel to private 
progress, I am. 

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Alright. 
Yeah 

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they're all here in the first 
historical motion picture of the

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post-war world. 
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Hey 21st May good. 
Lord man. 

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What the Do you think you're 
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Go on get off out of it. 
Will you? 

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I'm new here. 
You bet. 

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Yes, the whole shower is here 
and now they're joined by Peter 

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Sellers as kite a man who 
believes in Striking, while the 

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iron is hot or cold weather, 
wind rash. 

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I'm obliged to put the you and 
open question, did you or did 

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you not? 
In fact, collaborate with the 

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management me, collaborate use 
silicic, 

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Hello and welcome to goon pot. 
My name is Tyler Adams. 

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And as far as I know, I'm the 
only podcast host who stands and

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unusually, excessive some might 
say unseemly amount of time 

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staring at pictures of irony 
handle the internet and calling 

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it research. 
This week I'm joined by the 

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comedian and writer Merrill 
O'Rourke to discuss a film which

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came out in the last dying days 
of the 1950s and which with a 

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satirical snarl tackled head on 
some big topics, such as 

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industrial corruption, 
pettifogging, bureaucracy and 

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boardroom machinations taking 
swipes at both trade unions and 

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management alike and as Merrill 
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the 1959 film, I'm all right, 
jack is still relevant today. 

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Pressingly I must point out that
this was recorded, this podcast 

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was recorded back in 
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happened between the actual 
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episode, The the actual 
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actual episode going out. 
So when we were planning and 

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researching, Boris Johnson was 
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it Liz truss with prime 
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And as this goes out in late 
October Rishi soon, act has been

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p.m. for all of, A day and a 
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We can only begin to speculate 
who next month's prime. 

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Minister will be Shop steward, 
Fred kite was arguably Peter 

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Sellers, big breakout role in 
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is a mesmerizing performance but
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stars and character actors 
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Rutherford. 
Terry Thomas, Sam kid, victim, 

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added Liz, Fraser, Dennis Price 
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marijuana. 
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ages and this episode would be 
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I had to cut the chunk out to 
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Technical faults and Gremlins 
and audio issues, but thankfully

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not much was lost and I hope you
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I started off by asking Merrill 
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I'm all right, jack to talk 
about one thing. 

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I've noticed a lot on podcast 
recently is I seem to talk about

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my mum, almost every podcast I 
do which shows about I was an 

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only child and single-parent 
family and she loved old healing

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type comedies that she 
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So I grew up watching it. 
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thing about, I'm all right, jack
is How Deeply politically is and

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how upsetting the relevant 
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I mean, when we're recording 
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just at the end of Quasi cartoon
presenting as budget and I was 

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as you know, because you 
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everybody needs to watch the 
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of stuff in it about 
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arms, profiteering and giving 
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the wrong things. 
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Well, that's me putting morals 
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interesting thing about the film
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good light and I've always had a
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is damning to every single 
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I don't know why be interesting 
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I like comedies, where everyone 
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only time I can find a character
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are assholes, well, it's a few. 
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I mean, Stanley Windrush will go
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played by Ian Carmichael, he's 
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He's the hero of the film was 
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and you've got, you've got, you 
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Got Liz Fraser actually. 
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characters are assholes. 
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been more familiar in the late 
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myself, like, when he is the 
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that the point of the strike 
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the unionist, the union leaders 
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the fact that they are painted 
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I'm being honest about myself, I
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of the Trade union movement that
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strike, because I would believe 
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in the film, they point out that
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own morals going along, and none
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It's weird to think now that a 
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character is that Posh, I mean, 
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yet, he's meant to be the person
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He's the person who they figure,
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interesting as well. 
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theater, at that time, was the 
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Boom of the Angry Young Man, and
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class theater and comedy. 
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films are still perpetuating 
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very Posh and related to the 
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Well, if the fact, the pre 
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and I always figured there's 
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this film. 
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small. 
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he's playing with his old men 
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And, and he's He's called, Sir, 
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Gentleman's Club. 
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him the war is over. 
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and then you see footage of 
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then cheeky, young, Victor 
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the camera, and then we get this
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in with this rock and roll. 
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I'm all right. 
Which sounds very little rock 

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and roll song. 
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quaint now I suppose, but at 
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kingly modern I guess. 
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I think people wouldn't expect a
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loud and clanging. 
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melodic. 
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illustrations is quite a big 
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of sequence does look like it 
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I mean, it does look like John 
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things on a bit of paper and 
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Yeah, there's a lot of there's a
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stuff in this field for the 
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Like this, there's those that 
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beatlemania for Stanley, where 
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outside his house. 
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Elvis t-shirts, where they've 
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written Stanley. 
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And again, it just it dates. 
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I suppose all that sort of 
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say it's still very relevant to 
the themes. 

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Politics are so yeah. 
So I'm all right jack. 

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It was out in, it gets its 
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Premiere in August 59, okay? 
Because everything I was reading

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was saying, 59 and 60 so well 
it's proper gets full release in

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December 59, right? 
Which obviously bleeds into into

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90/60 interestingly and I'd love
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can't was looked and looked, and
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Now, it's been a crazy, couple 
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let's face it. 
Yes, we are recording this the 

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same week as the Queen's funeral
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like a million years ago. 
Now, it does the Queen Harold 

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MacMillan. 
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Little fact, oh, you know that 
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Balmoral in September, 59 to 
request the general election and

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she gives him a private showing 
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So incredibly radical 
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about. 
The film is about every strata 

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of British Society being 
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and selfish. 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
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suggesting that the old order 
There is irrelevant as even that

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the New Order. 
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representing the future, the 
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who's the teenager, she is 
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So they're not, there's nothing 
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we've got hope in the future 
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all crushing. 
After some bloke, he's in the 

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newspaper simply because he's a 
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So it offers no hope either. 
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As you mentioned before, I 
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named John bolting and Roy Roy, 
there we go. 

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Yeah, by the way. 
What's your favorite cooler 

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Shaker song? 
I know this already. 

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I know that because I okay, 
short, answer the 303, because I

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was a huge cooler Shaker fan and
I always isn't, To the 303 on 

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the a303. 
But yes, of course. 

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Crispian Mills is the grandson 
of one of which one? 

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No, no, the son of the sun, 
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Now, this is the time to my solo
show. 

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So here we go. 
Here's my pitch and I can tie it

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into. 
I'm all right, jack, I actually 

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can tie my so that show to I'm 
all right, jack, my solo show is

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called vanilla. 
Yeah, it's mainly about me. 

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Centering, whether teenage girls
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sexuality. 
Now that their sexuality is 

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powerful and there's quite a lot
in it about Jade from Little 

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Mix, who wears quite extreme 
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Now, in videos, despite the 
fact, their demographic are not 

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legally allowed to do up their 
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kind of stuff likes to sell. 
Now, Jade from Little Mix. 

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Goes out with Jordan Stevens and
Jordan Stevens from Rizzle Kicks

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is the grandson of one of the 
vaulting Brothers. 

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Yes. 
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not the only pop star Jordan 
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He's amiable Ting sun. 
Right now, Roy bolting was 

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married, a couple of times and 
he married Hayley Mills. 

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Yes. 
So Christian is his son even 

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though he was quite a bit, he 
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than Hayley Mills revolting. 
And so it's the second most 

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profitable British movie of 59. 
All right, Jake after carry on 

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Nurse which Really handle also 
painted. 

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So she was busy in 59 old 
because that she was also, she 

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was also recording an LP with 
Peter Sellers as you know, which

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I have here. 
Which next time I come up North,

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I'm going to give to you and I 
thank you. 

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Yes, that's correct. 
Thanks for Swingin sellers, 

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which I pointed out to you as 
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And I found this quite 
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about how much he loved working 
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So, there's actually a track on 
it called there, is it Shadows 

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on the grass? 
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Which Handel wrote. 
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sketch. 
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And there are a lot of people on
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of them are mentioned by Peter 
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from ireenie handle, and he 
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I think, for Peter Sellers to 
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I don't know what it was. 
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As you said, she could, she 
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would take it, you know? 
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as well for me, as a female 
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checked enough. 
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because I keep waiting for it. 
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with, where's my credit? 
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that he would name, check 
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mistress of Comedy, especially 
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sellers, who was so dismissive 
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quite dismissive of women. 
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in his career, you know, I know 
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than he was later. 
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writing for Frankie boy, or 
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I, do I write A lot with Frankie
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he credits us on New World 
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word, right? 
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okay? 
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suspicious of people who don't 
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difficult and especially writing
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changing constantly is difficult
so yeah, and when When I started

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getting those proper credits, 
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team we're going to call these 
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Not even just as a career step, 
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you work really hard and you're 
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nobody knows you done, it can be
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Absolutely. 
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So yeah. 
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sequel to privates progress 
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I haven't seen. 
I have a knife. 

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Almost like it's kind of not a 
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It's just got the same cast. 
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know, it's like it's like if you
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department store, just with the 
same people. 

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I know like we'd Chief backer 
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whatever, it's not a sequel, 
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characters because it doesn't 
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the first one, okay? 
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sellers struck people so much in
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character. 
That wasn't It in privates 

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progress. 
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most real character in this 
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Everyone's playing caricatures, 
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And everyone is overdoing it 
massively. 

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Yeah, and sellers is sellers is 
very subtle. 

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It's in Carmichael, said that 
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I'm all right. 
Jack lifted. 

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Him from being a comedian to an 
actor. 

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Yes. 
So the Boating Brothers. 

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They were like, they were twins.
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they were, I think it like, the 
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directing and producing film by 
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John bolting directed. 
This Roy bolting produced it and

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they were the two of them were. 
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supporters. 
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they dislike both, what they 
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conservatives. 
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dreaming, Is the militant 
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the middle. 
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disdainful of both trade unions 
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corrupt management. 
It's kind of a plague on all 

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your houses scenario, isn't it? 
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And that satirized in the films,
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private progress. 
The Judiciary in brothers-in-law

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big business, like in this film,
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above, which was another Peter, 
silent film. 

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Oh, yeah. 
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this film takes swipes at both 
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and for up to management. 
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played by Peter Sellers, who is 
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25 minutes into the film. 
Sorry, I'm afraid. 

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I haven't quite got this thing. 
Buttoned up. 

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Shit. 
What's your name wind? 

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Rush. 
Me and my colleagues are the 

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works committee. 
How do you do? 

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You mentioned. 
I'm all right. 

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Jack in the immediate 
immediately. 

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Everyone will think of Peter 
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Kite, they don't immediately 
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Machiavellian industrialists, or
Richard Attenborough, whose is 

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this kind if you like Richard 
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is who, who was a in the army 
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Carmichael. 
And we're going to come back to 

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the to these things. 
We're going to talk about the 

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The film. 
But I just wanted to say some 

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was famously, was reluctant to 
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Bolton's were Keen to get him on
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They saw Sellers as red kite, 
they, you know, they didn't 

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consider anyone else and because
he read the script and he said 

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there weren't any obvious gags 
in it and really, okay. 

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Well, he, he felt, they weren't,
he's thinking, you know, he's 

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doing the goons around this 
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It's gag gag gag. 
Whereas this film this film is a

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lot about the humors and before 
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Yes. 
First spoken gag is a pubic hair

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joke and I thought, okay, I can 
get a board with this film. 

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I was worried, I was too lowbrow
to be to be talking about this 

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film, but since the first gag is
a pube gag. 

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Yeah. 
She's not a natural blond, yes. 

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Right. 
Right. 

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What we're going to come onto 
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sellers, it wasn't until 
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Put on the hair cropped. 
Back had put on the Little 

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Hitler mustache put on the 
ill-fitting suit and started 

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impersonating. 
He was impersonating one of the 

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shop students that work with the
Bolton's partly. 

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I've read that he studied quite 
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And another thing that that is 
relatively unsaid about sellers 

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because it wasn't trendy was 
that he was a method actor. 

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So he would stay in character 
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And before the film, and after 
the film, Umm, so sellers put on

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this suit and the mustache and 
started playing this character 

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and some of the crew film crew 
started applauding because they 

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recognized this character. 
If you know what I mean, they 

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recognize this as being a shop, 
steward type and that just 

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imbued and sellers has 
confidence that. 

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Yes, actually. 
This this might work. 

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One of the things that I find 
quite fascinating watching it 

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over and over again. 
So he was in his 30s. 

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You made this and he was kind 
of, it was kind of our awesome 

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wells in that he would play much
older characters. 

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In Prosthetics, even when he was
quite young. 

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Yeah, though, unlike Orson 
Welles, he would lose himself in

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them, whereas Orson, Welles 
always just basically was 

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awesome Wells it with a hat on. 
But now I don't know if he's, so

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he's playing. 
It doesn't Define his age. 

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And actually, in reality, the 
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were relatively young, but if 
he's the same age as I really 

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handle, he's playing 50s. 
So Normally you would expect 

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somebody to wrinkle up their 
face. 

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Now his forehead and I like I 
say, you would know this better 

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than I do, because I watched a 
few times that it looks like 

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he's got a prosthetic forehead. 
His forehead is completely 

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smooth and does not move at all,
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and that's quite an interesting 
choice. 

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When you're playing somebody 
older, his face doesn't move and

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he's lips, almost doesn't. 
He's Through an almost closed 

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now. 
And yet, he conveys, all of the 

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emotion of the character through
his eyes, the eyes of slightly 

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changed starting and through 
pauses with the speech, but not 

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with any kind of full facial 
expression, and was quite 

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interesting. 
I decided to look at some videos

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of Mick Lynch. 
So we're talking about real 

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Trade, union leaders, and they 
clinch with a huge forehead 

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because he's bald he does the 
same thing. 

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And there is something in a 
trade Union Nest where they have

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learnt the principles of what 
they're saying. 

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So tightly that there's actually
no thought process or reaction 

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process. 
They just say we are here to say

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this, you know, make Lynch will 
have a completely characterless 

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space. 
It'll just say I'm waiting mr. 

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Sharps to come to the table when
he wants to come to the table. 

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We were discussed the plate. 
The pay rise in exactly the same

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way that Fred kite does. 
And I find the forehead 

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decision. 
Very interesting. 

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One for a man. 
Who is so young, who wants to 

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look older? 
But he's going. 

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No, I'm gonna have this clear 
forehead because he plays him An

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innocent really? 
Yeah, I don't know about the 

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forehead. 
I didn't pick up on that, but I 

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know that sellers has a certain 
acting style, which is very much

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minimal facial expressions 
often. 

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I don't know how many sellers 
films you've seen over the years

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but it's a lot of it. 
Like you say is down to the 

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eyes. 
He does a lot of the guys don't 

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from left to right all the time 
he doesn't do much with his 

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mouth, he's quite stiff in his 
performances in the sense. 

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That what I mean is he holds 
himself quite rigidly. 

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He walks, he's got a, he's got a
walk which is quite stiff and 

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precise if you like and and with
this character as well, he's 

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obviously, yeah he's rehearsed, 
he's rehearsed things, he's 

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going to say the character kite 
has rehearsed and he's like an 

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autodidact. 
I guess he's self-taught and he 

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doesn't quite. 
There's all the malapropisms 

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like he's the management is 
willfully. 

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Drop advising the safety of its 
employees. 

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Yeah things like that. 
You know, he's read that word 

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but he's never said I've read, 
I've written so many notes. 

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I can't even find the good night
because there's another one 

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later as well, but I can't find 
it now to. 

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It will come to it. 
And but let's just start running

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through what happens in the 
film. 

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And I'm not going to go into 
huge detail about each scene or 

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anything. 
But I just want to sort of run 

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through the the plot of the film
and after the credits that we 

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mentioned, we were you expecting
this. 

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When you first saw the film, we 
were expecting to see the act of

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Miles mellough some naked. 
All be it with a big bowl of 

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peas on his lap so you don't see
his taters but I have I first 

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saw this film when I was a 
little girl so I don't know. 

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They lie, the film has just been
with me for the whole of my 

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life. 
Yeah but it's opens. 

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Look at this sunny Glades nature
camp where Stanley Windrush who 

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is played by Ian Carmichael. 
Who was a hero? 

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If you like if you were to call 
them that he's talking to his 

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father miles medicine, who is 
happily Shelly. 

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He's naked and there's some 
washing mushrooms, I was at what

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he's doing because because when 
I analyze something I look far 

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too deeply into it. 
So I went to the mushrooms Were 

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Meant To Be symbolic of nuclear 
war. 

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But yes, wow. 
Okay. 

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To say when I'm analyzing 
something, I will actually 

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analyze it by the way. 
Just on naturism or nakedness in

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general. 
Where's this going? 

449
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:19,300
You thinking one of the stars of
this film Was very partial to a 

450
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,000
spot of skinny dipping in lakes 
and rivers. 

451
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:26,400
Well that doesn't surprise me. 
They were all very decadent. 

452
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,500
Decadent Posh British actors. 
Would it surprise you? 

453
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,300
If I told you it was Margaret 
Rutherford. 

454
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,800
Only in that. 
I have not heard that before, 

455
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,000
and I would like to have heard 
that before we've heard it now. 

456
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,200
She said, her husband, who was 
called Stringer Davis. 

457
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,500
I think his name was, who's he 
pops up in this film in an 

458
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,100
uncredited role? 
Although, I'm not sure which one

459
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,000
he is. 
I know he's an older man, but 

460
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,300
apparently, they would, they 
would both of them would often 

461
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,000
go go for Drive in the 
countryside. 

462
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,000
And if they went past the a 
nice-looking River, or whatever,

463
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,600
they've done pull up. 
Strip naked jump in. 

464
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,200
And yeah, it seems like the sort
of woman. 

465
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,700
He'd do whatever the hell she 
wants. 

466
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:10,500
Yes. 
Yes. 

467
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,000
She's fantastic, isn't she? 
Yeah, we'll come to her, but 

468
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,900
female cast of this film is 
particularly fantastic. 

469
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:21,100
And like, I wrote something but 
they're like a meal and 

470
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,700
therefore particular women that 
stick out, you know, well as 

471
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:27,400
McCannon a his criminally under 
used because she's a wonderful 

472
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,900
comic actress. 
And you do wonder if there were 

473
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:30,200
cut, so you've got every 
mechanic. 

474
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,200
He's like a little amuse-bouche 
and then, you've got Margaret 

475
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,400
Rutherford. 
He's like a roast. 

476
00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:37,100
Dinner and then, I really handle
arrives is like a spotted dick 

477
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:40,300
pudding and then you've got this
appraiser, who's your, you know,

478
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:45,200
flaming shot of sambuca. 
And and for absolute icons, 

479
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,300
female, comedy acting totally. 
Absolutely. 

480
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:53,300
I don't want to talk about them 
all, but standees, I don't quite

481
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,700
understand that. 
Stan Lee wants to Stan Lee wants

482
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,300
to work. 
I've written down wants to work 

483
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,000
with The Virtuous. 
Lower classes. 

484
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:01,500
Is how he would probably see it 
if you know what I mean. 

485
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:05,000
That's, that's, he wants to go. 
In just get a job in Industry, 

486
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,900
who doesn't? 
I think he specifically angles 

487
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,400
to work with the lower classes 
because of course, the first job

488
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,600
he goes for is in marketing and 
they're very clearly not working

489
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,000
class. 
It seems to be more that he 

490
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,300
wants to stand on his own two 
feet, true. 

491
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:21,400
Yes. 
Yeah, you. 

492
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,500
Yeah. 
That's right. 

493
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,200
That's right. 
Yeah, because he goes for a job 

494
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,700
at the debt, olfactory, which is
detergent powder. 

495
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:29,800
Yes, that's another thing that 
students film take swipes at 

496
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,200
unions and management, but it 
also takes swipes at 

497
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,400
Consumerism. 
Yes. 

498
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,500
Troy say that your teeth and 
consumerism as I said marketing.

499
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Yeah. 
And and there's some, there's a 

500
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,700
couple of Jingles advertising 
Jingles because obviously, this 

501
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:49,900
film is made what only less than
five years after ITV began, 

502
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:55,400
where the British public for the
first time, really sore adverts 

503
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,700
and angles like this, but he 
goes for a job at the debt 

504
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,000
olfactory, which doesn't work 
out. 

505
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,200
Then he goes to the Num-num 
Factory. 

506
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,800
My daughter is one of her little
you know how teenagers have 

507
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,800
catchphrases so nom nom nom nom 
is one of her things that she 

508
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,800
says all the time and she was 
very upset to find out that 

509
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,100
already existed in 1959. 
Well and I couldn't work out 

510
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,300
what a num num. 
Num is like a kid. 

511
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,800
Some sort of confectionery looks
like a new gar thing it's made 

512
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,200
out of sugar and it's white. 
Almost like it's it looks like 

513
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,500
it's got a Cheerios. 
It's got like a goat's. 

514
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:51,100
I it just looks disgusting. 
Well it's meant to he vomits in 

515
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:57,400
the Nami on Factory to do is 
meant to be disgusting Stanley. 

516
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,200
Just vomits in the larger mixing
vat and it's kind of like these 

517
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,800
these met this Machinery. 
In this num num Factory It's 

518
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,800
hideous, looking Machinery. 
That's kind of like something 

519
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:16,900
out of Fritz Lang's Metropolis. 
By the way, you know the so 

520
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,700
stand is gone to the university 
appointments board and he gets 

521
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,200
all these interviews of 
different companies. 

522
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,700
You know, the guy that organizes
his interviews. 

523
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,200
Did you recognize that actor? 
I do. 

524
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,600
And I'm terrible with names. 
So I wrote down some of the 

525
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,700
names, but he was the first 
point where I went to an IMDb 

526
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:35,100
because I was like, oh, hang on 
that him and he was in 

527
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,900
everything. 
Right. 

528
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,700
Do you know what I mean? 
His name is Brian Alton. 

529
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,700
Well, I literally some 
appointments for you and send 

530
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:44,300
you a list of people who can go 
and see. 

531
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
I hope you have some luck. 
Thank you very much. 

532
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,400
Unrest attempt to gather 
intelligence enthusiasm, and an 

533
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,800
air of confidence. 
The have all an air of 

534
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
confidence. 
Do you know what I always 

535
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,700
associated with? 
I'm sure you probably are the 

536
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:04,400
same. 
Well, I'm gonna tell you that 

537
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,400
episode of The Young Ones. 
When, when Vivian goes mad, 

538
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,900
wintry were Neil's parents. 
Visit, he's, he's Neil's dead, 

539
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,600
right? 
And that's the, that's the scene

540
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,300
where the talk about, the good 
life. 

541
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,800
And Vivian goes mad and has this
rant about the good life. 

542
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,500
That's ripping up the screen. 
Yes. 

543
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,500
Yeah. 
And and Neal's, dad tells them 

544
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,100
off. 
And you can you picture in you 

545
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:44,100
your mind's eye just like I 
agree with the spot a trips on 

546
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,500
that. 
One Felicity Kendal is sweetly 

547
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,500
pretty, just bought a real girl 
should be. 

548
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:56,100
I'm speaking as a feminist 
myself, I can safely say this. 

549
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,300
But for this, which I can go is 
a wonderful one and I want to 

550
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,200
protect her. 
I shall first time I've ever 

551
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:11,600
heard it called that saying 
something Shut up moving. 

552
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,800
That's my dad. 
We at Stanley, we see Stanley 

553
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400
next at home and this is where 
as McCannon turns up very 

554
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,300
briefly and then servant to his 
aunt. 

555
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,100
So I'm not sure if it's got, I 
mean, I don't know, privates 

556
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:30,100
progress as well, but that's his
Aunt Dolly. 

557
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:34,200
So it's not his home and his 
father is I think the I got the 

558
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,300
feeling that because his 
father's moved into the nudist 

559
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:37,700
colony. 
He Now does not actually have 

560
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:40,100
somewhere to live, so there's 
also that as well. 

561
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,100
My father, sold the family home 
to go and live in a nudist 

562
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:47,600
colony. 
So, Stanley kind of has to find 

563
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,800
a flat and find somewhere to 
live and find a job or become a 

564
00:31:50,808 --> 00:31:54,000
nudist which by its horrific. 
Yeah, it does. 

565
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,800
And again spoilers, I find it 
quite amusing that he finds the 

566
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,300
naked women at the end, he finds
them as terrifying as the 

567
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:06,000
corrupt missile industry. 
You know, equally terrifying. 

568
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,400
Yeah but I also was quite 
puzzled by how they were really 

569
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,800
Ali, really Keen to get him to 
play tennis so much so that they

570
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:19,500
actually chased them. 
But Margaret Rutherford is his, 

571
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:24,400
Aunt Dolly, and I was brought to
mind because obviously Ian 

572
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Carmichael goes on to play 
Bertie Wooster in the 60s on 

573
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,300
television? 
Yes. 

574
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,200
With with a prize. 
Yes. 

575
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,800
And it's kind of reverse or you 
got Dennis Price as his uncle, 

576
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,800
uncle Bertie. 
And, and they have this plan, 

577
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,600
obviously, they, he offers Bet 
he's a director of this 

578
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,000
engineering firm in the 
officers. 

579
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:50,000
Nephew a job and and and 
Margaret Rutherford's, not sure 

580
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200
about this issue. 
She's yeah. 

581
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,600
So that was one thing I was 
going to mention earlier when 

582
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,600
you were saying about how Fred 
kites character stuck in the 

583
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,700
Consciousness, more than the 
other characters is one thing 

584
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,900
we've got to remember at the 
time, is that Dennis Price was 

585
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,400
known for playing bad? 
Guys? 

586
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,000
That was what he did. 
Yes. 

587
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,700
Like every time you see Dennis 
Price in the film, You know, 

588
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:12,100
someone's going to die. 
Yeah. 

589
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,900
In fact Jeeves was a real 
departure for him when he 

590
00:33:14,908 --> 00:33:20,000
started playing Jeeves. 
So some of it also would have 

591
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,700
been that there was no surprise,
there was no surprise when 

592
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:26,000
Dennis prices murderous for that
contemporary audience, the same 

593
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200
with Richard Attenborough, who I
think is interesting now, 

594
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,400
because now, we look at Richard,
Attenborough has been this very 

595
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Posh loving, but we think of 
Richard Abruzzo, Dickie 

596
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Attenborough, which at the time,
of course he was Pinky from 

597
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Brighton Rock. 
He was a spiv. 

598
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,700
He was a nice. 
D little Thug. 

599
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:47,300
He wasn't thought of as Posh as 
this Posh sort of. 

600
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:49,800
Well, we think of as an elderly 
man, he clearly wasn't going to 

601
00:33:49,808 --> 00:33:51,500
personality much. 
But I supposed to meet 

602
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,400
contemporary audience to see 
these bad guys being played by 

603
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,400
Dickie Attenborough and Dennis 
Price wouldn't have been a 

604
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,000
surprise. 
Whereas Peter Sellers character 

605
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,700
was new and it wasn't somebody 
bed scene portrayed in film as 

606
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,200
much. 
That's true. 

607
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,900
That's true. 
Yeah, and Richard Attenborough 

608
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,600
the following year, he turns up 
in the film The leakage in The 

609
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,199
league of gentlemen. 
And if you have seen that, 

610
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,199
that's a, I have and I can't 
remember who he plays cracking. 

611
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,600
Philly. 
Plays one of the gentlemen. 

612
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Ha ha, yeah, but I meant I 
couldn't remember me. 

613
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,199
Place Spivey Badger or Posh 
bloke. 

614
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:23,300
There's no, no, he's a spiv. 
He's a spiv. 

615
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,600
But in it cause he goes on. 
It makes for the 10 rillington 

616
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,800
place of children. 
My favorite food? 

617
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,500
Yeah. 
When he's a serial killer. 

618
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,600
Yeah. 
And he's turned up in about, 

619
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:37,900
he's worked with sellers, he was
in the major christian, he was a

620
00:34:37,908 --> 00:34:40,400
couple of other sellers field 
but Dennis Price. 

621
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:43,500
He's the he's not a load of 
films with sellers. 

622
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,600
Okay, naked truth, which was at 
which before this magic 

623
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,800
Christian again, the millionaire
a strong arm of the law. 

624
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000
He even turned up at a gun show 
as a guest star. 

625
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,200
Once I think he just seemed to 
work constantly, generally, 

626
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,300
Dennis Price, he did, he did, 
and he had a bit of a sad life, 

627
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:03,500
really? 
I think because he had she 

628
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:08,000
showed such promise in kind 
hearts and coronets and it 

629
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200
never, I don't think he ever 
quite recaptured. 

630
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,800
That That he never quite had 
that six, maybe even he was 

631
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,000
never out of work, but he was 
never a star really was. 

632
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,800
He was always too cold. 
I think his characters were 

633
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,300
always very cold and very 
dispassionate and relatively 

634
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,300
Psychopathic. 
Yes, you couldn't warm to him. 

635
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,700
You know, you warm to Richard, 
Attenborough is a spiv. 

636
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,300
But there's so much character 
there and you feel like you 

637
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:33,700
would like to have a drink with 
him. 

638
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:37,200
And then you know the calling 
cock sea and all that in a way 

639
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,300
that Dennis Price you feel if 
you had a drink with him. 

640
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,200
Wouldn't speak, you know, he 
would sit there staring at the 

641
00:35:43,207 --> 00:35:47,000
table waiting for it to be over.
I think that's probably why you 

642
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,600
didn't get a feeling of Dennis 
Price. 

643
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,400
What he would be like, off 
camera. 

644
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,000
That's a very good point. 
Yeah, he's always playing the 

645
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,000
same sort of character more or 
less, so you're so they offered,

646
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,300
they offered him this job, but 
Stanley accepts the job. 

647
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,300
We don't quite, we don't know at
this point what's going on? 

648
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:08,900
But Stanley turns up it missiles
limited and we have Terry Scott 

649
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:10,300
turning up. 
Yes. 

650
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,400
Very young Terry Scott and a 
tiny little part. 

651
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,400
Yes, but this turned out to be 
horribly right wing as well as 

652
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
only talking of people who 
turned out to be right wing. 

653
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,900
Think he was a huge fan of 
Radicchio Ian Smith, you know, 

654
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,300
in Rhodesia and his policies of 
the 70s 60s and 70s. 

655
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,600
Yeah. 
Terry Scott, by all accounts was

656
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,400
a difficult man in many ways. 
And, and we have nulls who's 

657
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,300
played by Victor Madden. 
Yes. 

658
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,900
He's wonderful. 
He's very likeable invest and 

659
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000
he's another person. 
I was thinking this, why wasn't 

660
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,900
fixed imagine bigger? 
And maybe it was a time when 

661
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:52,400
working class actors didn't 
really make it as big. 

662
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,300
And one thing that I find quite 
interesting at the very end is 

663
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:01,000
that when when Stanley has his 
breakdown, will not his break 

664
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,500
down. 
Exactly. 

665
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,100
But when he's on television and 
he's decided to tell it how it 

666
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,300
is. 
He starts off by saying it's 

667
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:10,300
what my old mate. 
Nosy would have said yes and 

668
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Through the hot even though 
Stanley is meant to be the one 

669
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,000
person we hold on to all the way
through the film. 

670
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,500
You realize that with all of 
these crooked people he's met 

671
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,300
and Knowles is just as crooked 
as everybody else like Knowles 

672
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:25,900
is the one who completely 
justifies, poor guys playing 

673
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:32,200
cards whilst they're still being
paid for whack but Stanley 

674
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,600
clings onto him and it's I find 
that quite striking at the end 

675
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,200
when he says, it's like my old 
McDonald's. 

676
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,300
He told me he realizes that 
Knowles is actually one of the 

677
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,900
People in the film that he's 
met, even though he's a skydiver

678
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,500
and a shirker and he lets people
get full pay for no work. 

679
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,400
Yeah, but I think I think nose 
is one of the few in the film 

680
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,700
that even though he thinks he's 
a bit of a burke Stanley. 

681
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,800
Yeah. 
He's essentially decent to him, 

682
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,400
isn't? 
He's not, he tells him what to 

683
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,800
do. 
Like when he forgets to plug, 

684
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,600
his plug is a forklift truck and
he goes well, you haven't 

685
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,500
plugged you, bulky of tracking 
you idiot but of course it's not

686
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,600
going to work and he goes can't.
Somebody else do that? 

687
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,300
He had? 
No, that's somebody else's job. 

688
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,700
Yeah. 
Demarcation mate demarcation. 

689
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,700
Which does make sense when you 
look into it. 

690
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:21,000
That, if if, Stop. 
I mean we've all had jobs like 

691
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200
that. 
We've all had jobs, where one of

692
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,300
us is doing slightly more than 
the other person and Petty 

693
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,300
things like I have to plug your 
book Lift Truck in every morning

694
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:33,700
for you and yet, I'm getting 
paid the same amount as you. 

695
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,000
It does great. 
Even though that sounds Petty. 

696
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,000
If it's every day, it does 
great. 

697
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,900
You do then understand why each 
person has to have a different 

698
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:45,700
delineator job. 
Otherwise, you start going. 

699
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:47,800
Well, I'm not getting paid as 
much as you. 

700
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,200
And, yes, I'm doing your work. 
Oh yeah, Terry Thomas. 

701
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,400
Thomas, turns up whose major 
Hitchcock, The Personnel 

702
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,000
officer. 
Yes. 

703
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:59,000
And and he's called major 
Hitchcock. 

704
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000
And wondering, I've written 
here. 

705
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Is he really a major? 
Is he one of those like Captain 

706
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,600
peacock? 
For me being served? 

707
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,700
He's at Major and privates 
progress. 

708
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,700
I was a oh, well, that's why 
he's introduced as major 

709
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:15,400
Hitchcock and I do get the 
feeling is what you get do. 

710
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,800
Get the feeling that Terry 
Thomas is just improvising all 

711
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,800
the way through, because He does
all of the turkey cook. 

712
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:26,300
You know, what absolute 
stinkers, all of his 

713
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:28,900
catchphrases all the way through
and you're going. 

714
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,700
Did the bull Tings, right? 
This right in. 

715
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,800
But did they just say to Terry 
Thomas? 

716
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,200
Just do your thing. 
They just, just do what you do. 

717
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,900
There's that scene, where he's 
talking to you, because John le 

718
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:45,000
mesurier turns up as the time 
and motion study man, and he's 

719
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,600
taking us to press this. 
John le mesurier always days and

720
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,800
Terry Thomas. 
This is he mentions he was out 

721
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,100
the previous night with a little
red heading. 

722
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,800
Just does that eye-rolling 
thing? 

723
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,200
That is yeah it's just delicious
that and none of it goes with 

724
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,300
the character of he's meant. 
I mean, he's not even 

725
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:04,000
management, he's middle 
management. 

726
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,900
So he answers to the bosses and 
the answers to the Union's. 

727
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:10,000
He has very little power of his 
own. 

728
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,500
So Terry Thomas being Sarah like
Mariah time a major. 

729
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,100
It doesn't actually make sense 
in that role so you do get the 

730
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,800
feeling he's completely 
improvising. 

731
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,800
Yeah. 
We got Jabs here who can break 

732
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,600
out into a Max width, anybody 
standing still while the they 

733
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,900
can't stand is being stopped 
watching the sole purpose of 

734
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:28,500
time and motion studies to 
enable the men to work 

735
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:32,400
efficiently well within their 
natural capacity capacity. 

736
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:35,700
My dear fellow bearing capacity.
That sort of these thinkers in 

737
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:43,900
the capacities of the column. 
They are steam, like their 

738
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,000
little punishing night. 
Last night didn't spot a time 

739
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,500
and motion study of my own being
head. 

740
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:55,000
Well, Leslie, cick quite 
terry-thomas, by the way, he 

741
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,400
worked a lot with sellers, like,
recently in the sense that it in

742
00:40:58,408 --> 00:41:01,500
the last, in the 12 months, 24 
months leading up to this film. 

743
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,400
He'd worked with sellers three 
times already. 

744
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:07,000
Yes, and they were in a very 
early settlers film together 

745
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200
when I was doing a little bit of
research on this other than they

746
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,400
were in Tom Thumb. 
Got the plane, the bad guys. 

747
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,100
And that's actually one of his 
quotes. 

748
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,400
Is that sellers was criminally 
under used? 

749
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,300
So Terry Thomas was a big seller
sign and actually I think 

750
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,300
probably my favorite scene in. 
I'm. 

751
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:25,400
All right, jack is the scene. 
They have together where he 

752
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,300
visits Fred kiter home after 
Fred's wife left him. 

753
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,800
That's right. 
And they have a drink and they 

754
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,900
get sort of melancholy together.
Well, that's another, that's 

755
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:36,800
another sign. 
It's another interesting 

756
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,300
comparison because uh, they both
drinking Sherry and it's clear 

757
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:41,800
that their men Touching each 
other. 

758
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,600
Drink for drink. 
Yeah, but kite is sloshed 

759
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,600
because he's obviously not a big
drinker. 

760
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,700
Where is Terry? 
Thomas seems to be handling, it 

761
00:41:49,707 --> 00:41:51,600
quite well. 
You know, it's just yeah. 

762
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,100
Well, also I very much got the 
feeling that Peter Sellers plays

763
00:41:56,100 --> 00:42:01,400
Fred kite as a child really. 
He's, he's more red, learn about

764
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,100
like a 12 year old girl. 
How he plays Fred kite at home. 

765
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,800
Anyway, I mean the bit where 
he's talking about Russian 

766
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
culture and you expect him to 
talk about politics. 

767
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,400
And he goes well in the ballet 
and he's, he's clearly, you 

768
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,200
know, he's got that crush on 
stand because again, I'm aware 

769
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,900
I'm talking about this out of 
order out of chronological order

770
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:28,500
that the scene where they are 
talking about their wives. 

771
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,200
I mean, I think Terry Thomas is 
talking about a woman leaving 

772
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,600
him because that they're both 
talking about. 

773
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,300
Fred's wife leaving him and 
Peter Sellers. 

774
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,100
Maybe Fred. 
Kite says, do you think he'll 

775
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:45,300
come back? 
Which is so unnoticed in the 

776
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:48,800
script. 
I wonder if Peter Sellers put 

777
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,500
that in because Peter Sellers, 
absolutely Place. 

778
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:54,000
Red kite is having as much of a 
crush on Stanley has his 

779
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,400
daughter has hmm. 
In fact, more his daughter, just

780
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,000
likes the fact that there's a 
single man in the house. 

781
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,300
Whereas Fred genuinely adores. 
Everything. 

782
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:08,800
Every single thing about Stanley
Windrush, he wants to be Stanley

783
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,100
Windra. 
She wants to have been to 

784
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:11,700
Oxford. 
He's so Jealous. 

785
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,800
But Stanley went to Oxford. 
He thinks he's at he thinks he's

786
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,700
an intellectual. 
Where is he's not crazy. 

787
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:20,500
He's not an intellectual Pony 
made just cause he's, he's not 

788
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:25,200
no, he's been to Oxford and 
that's quite sad as well in that

789
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,500
with the class structure 
Stanley's been to Oxford about, 

790
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:30,300
it's not intelligent is not 
using. 

791
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:32,500
It is not using his degree to 
get a job. 

792
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,900
Whereas, Fred actually has read 
a huge amount of books. 

793
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,700
He went to a summer school at 
Oxford. 

794
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:41,300
He, he he wants to be an 
intellectual but his role The 

795
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:43,300
class structure doesn't allow 
him to be? 

796
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,700
No. 
No. 

797
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,400
And as we say anything, I relate
to Fred in that way. 

798
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,700
So I'm always somebody, even 
though I've got a posh accent, 

799
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:54,100
I'm I was raising the state and 
I'm from a working class family.

800
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:55,900
And the reason I have a posh 
voice is both. 

801
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:59,200
My parents had done, my dad, had
an Irish accent and my mom had a

802
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,700
German accent. 
So they raised me to speak 

803
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,600
properly and so there's I think 
that's one of the reasons. 

804
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,100
I'm a bit of a spread collar 
topologist, because I'm also, 

805
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:11,000
somebody who feels I could have 
done so much. 

806
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:13,800
Better and I should have been 
encouraged to go to Oxford, but 

807
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,300
it wasn't even mentioned at my 
school like not even mentioned. 

808
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:19,300
They brought me up to speak like
this. 

809
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:21,900
So I will get a job. 
And then what they forgot is 

810
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:24,200
that speaking like this at 
school meant, I was so miserable

811
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,200
and bullied, I didn't get any of
my own levels. 

812
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:32,100
Yeah, which women mention John, 
the measurer just while I'm on 

813
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,500
people appearing, with Sellers 
and other films. 

814
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,000
I was just, I just made a note 
of possess so many character 

815
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,900
actors in This film is. 
So they're all And that's why 

816
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:46,800
they couldn't afford. 
The title sequence, is my money 

817
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,400
on the cars. 
I had it in my head that Dennis 

818
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,000
price of all the cars that I 
didn't know, I had the dentist 

819
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,600
price, it appeared him in the 
most films with sellers or films

820
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,900
that sellers was in, if you know
what I mean. 

821
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,200
But actually it's John the 
measure, the measure area. 

822
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,600
He appeared in 11 films, that 
Peter Sellers was also in. 

823
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:10,400
Okay, so not necessarily 
starring vehicles for sellers, 

824
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,200
but they both appeared in the 
Pink Panther Casino Royale which

825
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,800
was a disaster. 
The magic christian.a only two, 

826
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,300
can play the wrong box. 
Never let go mr. 

827
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,500
Topaz wrong arm of the law, 
Waltz of the toreadors council 

828
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:28,200
Brown of the fo and sells last 
film The Dreadful fiendish. 

829
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,700
Plot of dr. 
Fu-manchu, I remember Carlton 

830
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:34,300
Brown, I don't remember, John le
mesurier John le mesurier being 

831
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:37,700
in any of the others. 
Yeah, I mean, it's only 

832
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:41,000
sometimes just like it once 
seen, you know, but believe me, 

833
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:45,300
Well, if I sorry you mentioned 
about the guys playing cards by 

834
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:49,100
the way, just wanted to mention 
that because that's, that's a 

835
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,100
really funny scene, where stem, 
he's driving his forklift. 

836
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:55,100
He moves a load of crates and he
interrupts this card school 

837
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:58,200
that's going on. 
You've got you've got and I 

838
00:45:58,207 --> 00:46:00,900
wanted to mention it because 
listen to this podcast will know

839
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:03,300
that I have a I'm a big fan of 
the actor. 

840
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,500
David Lodge, right? 
Yes. 

841
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:09,100
Because David Lodge appeared in 
a lot of films with Peter 

842
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,000
Sellers because they were best 
friends. 

843
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:12,700
Ends. 
Okay. 

844
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:18,000
And they Dave large fact, David.
This is what I said about, John 

845
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,300
le mesurier can be devraj. 
Has been in the most films with 

846
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,800
Peter Sellers. 
Let's put it that way, but Dave 

847
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Lodge probably the best-known 
sellers film that he was in is 

848
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,300
two-way stretch, which is a 
terrific film occasion that. 

849
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:36,500
But yeah, we have the scene 
where kite arrives to see major 

850
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,900
Eric Hitchcock flanked by other 
members of The Works committee, 

851
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:44,100
including The actor, John coma, 
who did you recognize him? 

852
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:46,400
Yes. 
And and one thing that I found 

853
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,400
very, very interesting about the
working class actors. 

854
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:55,600
There are actors that represent 
working class accents of almost 

855
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,800
every British area. 
So you've got John coma, who's 

856
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,400
Northern, you've got John kid, 
who's Cockney? 

857
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:06,000
You've got same kid, same kids 
and kids. 

858
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Sorry. 
It's because I know John kids is

859
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,900
son who I used to know but I 
really I always end up call. 

860
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,600
Them that. 
Yeah, I know my mum, my mum was 

861
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,500
still alive. 
She saw John kid at party when 

862
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,600
you have to make friends with 
him because he sank His Son, 

863
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Well, Done, Hector Madden, of 
course, being Cockney. 

864
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,700
But you've got Kenneth Griffith,
his Welsh none writing down the 

865
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,200
names. 
Where should I put the rest of 

866
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:26,600
the names? 
All? 

867
00:47:26,607 --> 00:47:28,100
This is the trouble. 
My notes, they're all over the 

868
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:31,000
magic card. 
You Robinson Kaji Robinson and 

869
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,600
there's an Irish actor Donnell. 
Where have I written it? 

870
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,400
Oh, Donald Donnelly Donald 
Donnelly. 

871
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:42,100
Yeah. 
So and I do And how purposeful 

872
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,200
that is that they have 
encompassed? 

873
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,000
Like so many working-class 
accents and so many 

874
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,100
working-class people together, 
even though they're all working 

875
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,100
in one Factory in. 
Do we ever know where it is? 

876
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,300
London, is London somewhere. 
I don't think there's a Scotsman

877
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,800
and all ages, as well. 
So one of the boys on the one of

878
00:48:03,808 --> 00:48:06,800
the guys in the works committee 
whose name. 

879
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,700
I've got it. 
It's Billy somebody. 

880
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:10,800
I forgot his surname. 
He's really young. 

881
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,800
He's clearly only about 18 or 
19, and then you've got quite 

882
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,500
old. 
The guy Towers over them. 

883
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:24,100
So they've encompassed all 
peoples all men in the works 

884
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:25,900
committee, which I find very 
interesting. 

885
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,500
That's absolutely. 
Yeah, it's I never thought of 

886
00:48:28,508 --> 00:48:30,300
that. 
But yeah, it take it like step 

887
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:32,800
out from the Scots. 
They taking off every part of 

888
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,300
the British Isles, aren't they? 
Yeah, and send kids, same kids, 

889
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,500
sole purpose of this film is to 
almost sound like he's going to 

890
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,400
swear. 
Then what do you doing on a 

891
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,500
forklift truck? 
I do like to point this stuff 

892
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,900
out when I, because I'm a comedy
teacher to the younger people 

893
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,500
listening, that he also does a 
cocoon. 

894
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:56,300
He's a KKK, I can't remember 
what, the what word he says in 

895
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,800
the end, but that is a lot of 
thought that says, and they 

896
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,200
stare at him. 
And in 1959, they did call 

897
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,300
people, the c word and it's very
clear that they're all expecting

898
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:10,200
him to say the thing. 
But from the way that, I mean, I

899
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,300
think it's the widest, Peter 
Sellers eyes getting the entire 

900
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:18,700
film. 
Yeah, what is mentioned by the 

901
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:20,000
way? 
Mr. Muhammad. 

902
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,600
Yeah, he's my Maitland. 
One of the things, one of The 

903
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,300
Tick's we can give this film in 
terms of not being lazy and they

904
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:33,200
could have just what Peter 
Sellers himself, very often 

905
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,900
would Brown up and play Indian 
characters. 

906
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:40,500
I'm surprised that they didn't 
have a character in Brown face, 

907
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:47,000
but, you know, if we're being 
very pure, Rest now, mon 

908
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,800
Maitland was of Indian Heritage 
and he is playing. 

909
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,800
Some museum, is Turkish of 
Muslim Heritage know, the thing 

910
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,200
is, we're still quite behind on 
that one. 

911
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,800
He is the 1950s, onward jalili. 
So, you know, now if there's 

912
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,300
somebody beige, it's played by 
homage a living, okay, that's 

913
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:10,600
fair enough and I'm but no, it's
my in-laws are Turkish, my 

914
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,400
husband's Turkish so that I 
think that's why I get quite 

915
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,600
attached to mr. 
Muhammad being Turkish because I

916
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,700
Is representation even though 
he's Horrible character, but 

917
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,100
they're all horrible characters 
and I suppose we should say, as 

918
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:25,100
well for anybody watching the 
film content warning, there is a

919
00:50:25,107 --> 00:50:29,900
lot of racialized language, but 
it's very specifically used to 

920
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:35,100
point out the gulf between Fred 
kites political intentions, and 

921
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,100
how he actually feels about his 
own career. 

922
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:40,100
So it is the only time where he 
does chase money. 

923
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:44,600
So when he's taught, when Fred 
kite is talking to Windrush 

924
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,900
about his political, Suppose, 
one of the things he mentions is

925
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,300
that the denigration of the 
colored man has led them to 

926
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,900
being undervalued as workers. 
Hmm. 

927
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,600
And it's quite a big Point that 
he's making that into the point 

928
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,500
that I actually had a row with 
my husband about very recently 

929
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,000
about whether the the white 
working class in this country 

930
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:10,100
kind of take their roles likely 
for granted. 

931
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,300
And and this film very much 
looks at our the white working 

932
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,500
class slightly over It's do they
think that they don't actually 

933
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:21,600
have to put a bit of elbow 
grease in to do some work and, 

934
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,300
and listeners to the podcast? 
Be very pleased, that not to 

935
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,600
hear that, my husband told me 
off for denigrating the white 

936
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,100
working class. 
But this is a very interesting 

937
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,900
political point, but Fred kite 
makes that when you constantly 

938
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:38,400
insult and you constantly 
stereotype black people, they 

939
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,700
then won't be given good jobs. 
Yes, they thought of a stupid. 

940
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,200
And then, the reason that that 
language is used, is that Later 

941
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,600
on when they start, panicking 
after Windrush messes up there 

942
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,200
and time and motion study, so 
they're all going to have to 

943
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,600
work harder. 
John coma does say they're going

944
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,800
to have us working like blacks, 
which we wouldn't accept now. 

945
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,800
But that is used for to Fred 
kite, then panics, but and he 

946
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,300
specifically says that they're 
going to replace all of the 

947
00:52:10,308 --> 00:52:13,700
workers here. 
With black workers like they did

948
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,300
on the buses and Birmingham and 
so The reason that that this 

949
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:20,200
language is used and it's not my
place to say it's okay. 

950
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,400
So that would be up to somebody 
black or brown but it is 

951
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,000
specifically to show that Fred 
quite believes that colored 

952
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,200
people should be working. 
Sorry, that's the term he uses 

953
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,500
not until he's faced to the fact
that he might be sacked and 

954
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:37,400
replaced by somebody. 
Yes. 

955
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,200
And also it's to point out that 
at the time, black people were 

956
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,600
used very much to replace other 
workers. 

957
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:49,200
Hours and to be cheap labor, 
rather than to be brought in to 

958
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,800
work alongside the white working
class and get equal wages. 

959
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,900
I'm equal respect for them, 
which is still an issue. 

960
00:52:56,900 --> 00:53:00,200
Now, we still see the black 
working class and the white 

961
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,900
working class being played off 
each other by being told, 

962
00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:06,000
they're going to replace each 
other rather than being told 

963
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
well, we've got room in the 
factory but both and you can 

964
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,500
work alongside each other. 
So to see these principles being

965
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:18,800
dragged into a very commercial. 
A very big hit film in 1959. 

966
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,800
I think is very interesting now.
Absolutely, it's interesting. 

967
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Just on the fact we're talking 
about racial tensions in 1950s, 

968
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,500
Britain. 
It's interesting. 

969
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,300
I'm sure it's a coincidence, but
it's interesting that Stanley 

970
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:33,600
surname is Windrush. 
Yes. 

971
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:36,800
And I did when I was watching, 
I'm all right, jack before you 

972
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:37,800
and me, we're going to talk 
about it. 

973
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,500
Like, a few months ago, I did 
say on Twitter, to people know 

974
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:43,900
if this is on purpose and it 
doesn't seem to be on purpose 

975
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,600
because it was his name and 
privates. 

976
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:49,600
Programs as well. 
But yeah, since the Windrush 

977
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,200
generation had just arrived to 
do work and since Stanley's role

978
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,200
in this film, is to be the 
innocent person who just has 

979
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,200
arrived in this. 
British cultural MLA who just 

980
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:07,000
wants to do some work, make some
money, get a flat and has to go 

981
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,400
through the stupid bureaucratic 
rigmarole and keep getting used 

982
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,500
by every other side. 
It does seem very on. 

983
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,100
The knows that his name is 
Windrush. 

984
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,200
Yes, it does. 
Anyway, let's talk about, let's 

985
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,600
talk about Liz phrase. 
I think I told you. 

986
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,300
I'm not very funny but I'm 
talking about things. 

987
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,500
I might these two interesting. 
Again, she deep with stuff. 

988
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:26,500
It's a political. 
No, no. 

989
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:28,700
I like, I like, I like to 
overanalyze things. 

990
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,900
I really dig people, do this. 
So, yeah. 

991
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:33,400
So let's phrase. 
It's okay. 

992
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,600
Fred kite. 
He's very impressed by steadily.

993
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:40,700
Stanley's thinking about getting
a local local boarding somewhere

994
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:45,300
and kite offers him to come and 
stay with him and his family. 

995
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,000
And Stanley's a bit reluctant, I
guess because he just he's a bit

996
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
snobbish, really isn't? 
He stem, he's looking down his 

997
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,700
nose at right here. 
Well, there's also the scene 

998
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:58,500
where his aunt meets ireenie 
handle and decides immediately 

999
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:02,800
she's not going to like her like
refuses T, until I really 

1000
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,500
handle, says something she 
agrees with. 

1001
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:08,100
And then there's a very clear 
reassessment Margaret, 

1002
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,900
Rutherford space, like contorts 
for quite a while. 

1003
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,200
Until she says, I will have that
cup of tea, actually. 

1004
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,700
Yeah. 
So he has come from Family, who 

1005
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:18,600
would not associate with those 
types. 

1006
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,900
Yeah, you probably hate me for 
saying this, but then let's 

1007
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:27,700
phrases breasts walk in the room
because Liz phrases breasts are 

1008
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:32,100
iconic and Stanley. 
Certainly something that's a 

1009
00:55:32,107 --> 00:55:33,600
change of heart. 
For some reason they don't know 

1010
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:37,700
quite what we're talking about. 
Liz phrases breasts. 

1011
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,700
Al is phrases. 
Breasts are actually one of the 

1012
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:41,900
reasons that my mom idolized Liz
Brazier. 

1013
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:46,500
So if you follow her through her
whole career, My mum that, how 

1014
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:50,500
old is my mom have been? 
My mom was born in 35, so should

1015
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:54,600
have been their late 20s when 
this film came out, mid twenties

1016
00:55:56,300 --> 00:56:01,600
and so miss Fraser was a sex 
symbol and an idol of beauty and

1017
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,400
then later on she was in films, 
like the confessions films where

1018
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,400
she always played, extremely 
Alpha sexually aggressive women 

1019
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,800
who very much Miss Frazer, 
pretty much a whole career 

1020
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,200
played women who chose her men 
and That's right. 

1021
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,300
I'm having you and was never 
passive. 

1022
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:24,300
And then after being this very 
Alpha sex symbol, for all of her

1023
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:30,100
career, got breast cancer and 
for many women, losing a breast 

1024
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,900
when you are known for your 
breasts, you know, as you said, 

1025
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:36,400
this is her first film and her 
breasts walking in front of her,

1026
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,300
she could have been somebody who
just decides to hide away and 

1027
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:44,500
she didn't choose very public 
about her breast cancer and she 

1028
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:46,800
still appeared in. 
With her prosthetic breast. 

1029
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,600
And my mom had breast cancer and
watching Liz Fraser going 

1030
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,000
through it very much. 
Helped my mom go through it. 

1031
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,400
Lovely. 
So no I don't mind. 

1032
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,800
You talkin about her breasts at 
all because her breasts are very

1033
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,000
important in our household. 
Yeah. 

1034
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:05,100
And I think I'd love to think 
this is an eye blink. 

1035
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,100
My sellers. 
He refers to. 

1036
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:10,600
So she is his daughter Cynthia 
and she works there spindle 

1037
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,800
publishing. 
I just think that's lovely. 

1038
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,200
It's just there's my god. 
I've never Got the double 

1039
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,000
entendre from that. 
Yeah. 

1040
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:25,700
Hi Dad. 
Tell Mama being late tonight 

1041
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:28,300
with very well Cynthia. 
You want over time. 

1042
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:34,200
Are you don't be Daft going up 
with dancing? 

1043
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,500
My daughter Cynthia works here 
spindle polishing. 

1044
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Oh no. 
I mean, you know, they're not 

1045
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,700
subtle with her either. 
There's a bit later. 

1046
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,700
We're and Dennis prices, talking
about doing foreign business 

1047
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,600
deals and he calls it 
intercourse with foreign 

1048
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,700
partners. 
And Liz phrases says, the 

1049
00:57:57,700 --> 00:57:59,100
Stanley. 
I'm not following this at all. 

1050
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:01,800
What's he talking about? 
And he says you saying we should

1051
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,900
have intercourse with foreign 
partners and she goes. 

1052
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:09,200
Oh and suddenly she's 
interested, she gives Stony, the

1053
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,300
Glad eye doesn't she. 
She said she's going at West 

1054
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,800
dancing and then we see the 
scene back Stanley arrived. 

1055
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,200
Frank tights house and tight 
given some books to read on a 

1056
00:58:19,207 --> 00:58:23,100
dialectic materialism and it's 
this really rose-tinted ideal of

1057
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,400
of a worker's paradise. 
And yeah, goes on about Russia, 

1058
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,200
the cornfields and ballet in the
evening. 

1059
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:32,600
And there's a photo on the we 
see a photo and the mental peace

1060
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,500
later of Sellers and handle 
dressed up in wedding. 

1061
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,600
Garb it's obviously meant to be 
their wedding. 

1062
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,500
Photograph. 
Oh, I didn't see that. 

1063
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:44,000
Have to look for that love to 
know where that photograph is 

1064
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,000
now. 
It's Bleah long gone. 

1065
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,700
And it's heart that made us so 
much goes on in this film. 

1066
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:51,200
It's hard to kind of go through 
it all. 

1067
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,100
But essentially the time in 
motion man, John le mesurier a 

1068
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:03,600
basically times Stanley on his 
forklift and basic Stanley Falls

1069
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,200
for because he's just trying to 
be friendly. 

1070
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,100
Yeah, and that's also quite, 
it's almost quite a sad, but in 

1071
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:12,200
the film, in that, when Stanley 
arrives at the plant, Victor 

1072
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,200
Madden, take some understand. 
So this is what you do, and What

1073
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,100
you do in this is what you do. 
And so when John le mesurier a 

1074
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:22,900
arrives and Stanley thinks he's 
a new worker, he almost feels 

1075
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:24,900
like he's doing the same thing. 
That knows he did. 

1076
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:27,500
He's showing him how to work a 
forklift truck. 

1077
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,500
Hmm. 
He doesn't for one second think 

1078
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,800
that this person is tricking him
into doing as much work as he 

1079
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,700
can as fast as he can, so they 
can start paying the staff less.

1080
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:44,400
Yeah and of course it just 
basically results in everybody 

1081
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,900
out. 
Out results in a strike because,

1082
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:49,900
yeah, which is based on the fact
that Fred kite doesn't want 

1083
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:51,800
everybody to be replaced by 
black workers. 

1084
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,700
That's right. 
That's the moment that it that 

1085
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:57,200
it snaps, which I guess is the 
point, the point for me, where 

1086
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,300
Fred kite becomes a bad guy. 
Yes. 

1087
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:03,200
But this, that, but this thing I
think is the most interesting 

1088
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,300
part of the film is, is when, 
when kite, he arrives, home from

1089
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:10,200
a branch meeting and he gives 
Stanley a letter telling him, 

1090
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,800
he's been sent to Coventry 
nobody's going to speak to him 

1091
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,900
for a month. 
This is when the Press arrived 

1092
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:21,500
because coxy has suggested 
tipping off the papers to try 

1093
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:27,100
and accelerate things, 
essentially and listeners, who 

1094
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:28,800
haven't seen this film? 
Might be confused by others but 

1095
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,900
the Press arrived. 
Fred kite has a fork loaded with

1096
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:33,500
something revolting. 
I don't know what he's eating, 

1097
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:37,600
he's eating. 
It looks like a steak pie and 

1098
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,300
and tight assumes that they want
to speak the press one to speak 

1099
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:42,000
to him, and he's going to issue 
a statement. 

1100
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,100
And but they're actually, 
they're actually there to see 

1101
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:45,900
Stanley. 
Gonna have his Mets clinched 

1102
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:48,300
moment. 
Yeah, I'm gonna become a hero of

1103
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:50,800
the people and go viral. 
Yeah, cut. 

1104
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,500
Yeah, kite is really these 
wrong-footed and when Stanley 

1105
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:56,500
walks into the room, the pressed
send on him and they confirm 

1106
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:00,300
with Stanley that the strike is 
because he worked faster and 

1107
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:04,100
more efficiently, and then, 
Stanley sort of innocently 

1108
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,000
reveals that they've sent him to
Coventry. 

1109
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,000
And this makes, if you look at 
Sellers, his eyes are just like,

1110
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,700
go all over the shop. 
He's looked so ill at ease and 

1111
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:15,800
nervous, but it is also its, I 
think that is As well as is an 

1112
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,200
interesting Pastiche on the 
commercialism of the time 

1113
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,300
especially because they make a 
lot of references to the war. 

1114
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:24,600
And for us, you go what? 
It was 10 years later, why they 

1115
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,900
still banging on about the war. 
But it seems to be very 

1116
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:32,000
culturally influenced by it. 
Is that you would presume a 

1117
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,800
newspaper would want to talk to 
the head of the Trade union or 

1118
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,100
the head of the business. 
Yes, the fact that they want to 

1119
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:44,000
talk to a bloke and they're 
interested in his romances and 

1120
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,500
his backstory Him being ordinary
possibly was quite a new thing 

1121
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,000
because we still think about is 
quite new, no white. 

1122
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000
Why do they want to interview 
people in the queue rather than 

1123
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:56,800
the quicker rather than, you 
know, a member of the 

1124
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,900
government? 
Yes. 

1125
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:01,800
That's so it also introduces 
that kind of pop culture aspect,

1126
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,200
that's threaded through the film
of not wanting to actually deal 

1127
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,500
with the important it that. 
So, even the Press at this 

1128
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:11,400
point, don't want to deal with 
the important issues and don't 

1129
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,400
want to deal with the politics 
budget. 

1130
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,700
They're playing as much as buddy
else's. 

1131
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,300
That's a, that's a great Point. 
Yeah. 

1132
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:21,600
Because the 50s was the real 
rise of the Sunday newspapers as

1133
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,500
well. 
Where there's salacious stories 

1134
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,700
about sex, Maniacs roaming the 
streets. 

1135
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:29,900
And well the way that she has 
forgotten his name, you're 

1136
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:32,700
better than names. 
The actor who plays the the 

1137
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:34,500
rather salacious newspaper 
reporter. 

1138
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,400
So you've got a few of them are 
just going. 

1139
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,900
You know, is your name Sally 
Windrush, we believe you worked 

1140
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:42,500
really hard and then they have 
the guy who's very similar to 

1141
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:44,400
the person who played the child 
catcher, but he isn't him. 

1142
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:50,900
So do you have a young lady and 
at the point where Cynthia gets 

1143
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:52,600
mentioned it all becomes very 
own. 

1144
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:57,800
There's a young lady in your 
life is she here and the 

1145
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,200
salaciousness of it is very 
pointed up. 

1146
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:03,000
Yeah. 
They wanted the looking for the 

1147
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,800
human angle. 
Yeah and then and then we see a 

1148
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,400
montage of the next morning 
papers front pages which are 

1149
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,800
unanimously supporting Stanley, 
the bloody Daily Express has 

1150
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:18,500
Salute Stanley Windrush for 
example and I guess we should 

1151
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,200
point out to people who don't 
know the film is that when they 

1152
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,800
all walk out. 
Yeah this is this is relatively 

1153
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,400
important when Aunt Dolly comes 
to see him and remember Aunt 

1154
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,700
Dolly when our dolly is speaking
to him they are interviewing 

1155
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:35,000
aren't dollies chauffeur who is 
telling them that she doesn't 

1156
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,600
pay him enough. 
Yes, it's given them the skinny.

1157
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:44,500
She tells Stanley that Yeah, she
basically says look, I'm funding

1158
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:46,400
your lifestyle. 
Now because you said you wanted 

1159
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,600
to get a job and yet you haven't
got a job, you decided not to do

1160
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,300
your job, whilst sitting at home
and this, this isn't how we do 

1161
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:58,300
things. 
And he he decides that he needs 

1162
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:01,700
to go back to work. 
So the reason that this becomes 

1163
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,400
a big issue in the papers is 
that he is still working through

1164
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,500
the strike. 
He's the only person in the arms

1165
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:09,400
Factory. 
That's actually doing any work. 

1166
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:13,100
Yeah and they fight that the The
Works committee find out that 

1167
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:17,700
he's related to. 
His uncle is, his Bertram is 

1168
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:21,300
Dennis Price and they accuse him
of being like a traitor, a fifth

1169
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:24,600
columnist, you Judas. 
And that's where I think Judas 

1170
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,600
is very telling as well of how, 
how sellers have red. 

1171
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,400
Kite feels about Stanley. 
Yes. 

1172
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,900
Yes. 
So that he feels that close to 

1173
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:36,900
Stanley that he is a Judas 
etcetera personally. 

1174
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,700
Yeah yeah, yeah. 
And obviously kite has got it. 

1175
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,700
Well, as far as Concerned. 
He's got no choice, but to spend

1176
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:47,600
a packing and boot him out the 
house, mrs. 

1177
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,200
Kite, and soon he arrived home 
from I think the been to visit 

1178
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,100
their round or something and 
then. 

1179
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:53,600
Yeah. 
And then I really hadn't had to 

1180
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,600
strip off him and tells him that
the strike is spread again, very

1181
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:02,100
strong woman, very strong, 
matriarchal figure and kite is 

1182
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:05,600
quivering, isn't he? 
In the face of her Onslaught? 

1183
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,200
She's basically says, yeah, if 
you're gonna go on strike, we 

1184
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,700
are to and her and Cynthia 
basically bugger off. 

1185
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,600
Off to the aunt's house. 
Again, I hope you're satisfied. 

1186
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:21,200
Frank cart It was democratically
arrived at I mean I am chairman 

1187
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,000
of the works coming. 
Yes your 10-minute The Works 

1188
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
committee. 
All right? 

1189
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Don't we all know it. 
Sick to death of kill your Works

1190
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,000
committee Union. 
This Union that and yep blasted 

1191
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,200
Soviet Union. 
There is a strike on mother. 

1192
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,100
You telling me there's a star 
Kang. 

1193
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:39,700
I'll tell you something else. 
The strike spread to this house 

1194
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:47,700
from now on Since I get our bags
packed, we're going back to 

1195
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,800
Aunt, Edie's, these two can play
at this game. 

1196
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,600
You know, you wanted a strike, 
you got one pets. 

1197
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,800
When you feel about going back 
to work, I will. 

1198
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:58,400
And here's something else. 
I'm going to tell you. 

1199
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:02,500
He is another strike. 
That's 100% solid. 

1200
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:04,700
It's probably the only time in 
the whole film. 

1201
01:06:04,700 --> 01:06:07,900
Somebody makes a logical point 
because the entire film is run 

1202
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:11,200
by not being logical but nobody 
making a logical point to 

1203
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,300
anybody anytime. 
Until I really Will says, well, 

1204
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:17,400
why am I still cooking and 
cleaning for you if you've gone 

1205
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,900
on strike because her pay is a 
housewife, is his pain. 

1206
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:23,400
Yes. 
Yes, he walks out and lets them 

1207
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,300
do all the cleaning. 
I think it's another reason I 

1208
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,600
relate to Fred kite is he has 
the domestic abilities. 

1209
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,500
I have he's left alone for about
three days and he has not 

1210
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:36,300
thought to wash up a plate 
before he uses the next plate 

1211
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,000
for him to be on his own in the 
house. 

1212
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,200
There's so much washing up like 
a ridiculous like it's but just 

1213
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,800
one person. 
It's verging on the with now and

1214
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:45,600
I kitchen. 
Is it? 

1215
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,400
Is it is? 
Yeah, it's a lovely, a lovely, 

1216
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,000
snapshot of life within the 
house within the kite house. 

1217
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,700
Without without I really handle,
be the Fred Chi is dejectedly 

1218
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:58,600
walking around this really 
untidy kitchen. 

1219
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,500
He's with a penny on. 
Yeah and pretty on this is 

1220
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:03,700
mournful kind of trumpet playing
in the background. 

1221
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:09,200
He steps steps Barefoot onto a 
piece of toast peels off. 

1222
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,400
His foot despondently. 
This is so me, somebody would 

1223
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,600
try principles Like 
practicality. 

1224
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,100
That's me all over. 
And by the way, the strike is 

1225
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:19,800
now gone. 
National there's now two and a 

1226
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,100
half million or something like 
that to have minions trains. 

1227
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:24,300
Go on. 
Strike, everybody goes on 

1228
01:07:24,308 --> 01:07:25,300
strike. 
Yeah. 

1229
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,900
And we have all these montages 
of empty shipyards and Railway 

1230
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:33,400
sidings and things like that and
so it messes up the plan. 

1231
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:36,400
So the original plan was that 
missiles limited would go on 

1232
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,900
strike so that the missile 
contract could be transferred to

1233
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:43,600
Cox's Factory. 
Yeah. 

1234
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:46,100
But coxey's Factory then goes on
strike as well. 

1235
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,400
Yeah. 
So the two bad guys, Dennis 

1236
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,100
Price. 
And Richard Attenborough, it's 

1237
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,800
now gone wrong for them because 
they can't get the money for the

1238
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,700
missiles because the missiles 
aren't being made. 

1239
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:59,800
So they both asked Terry Thomas,
the major to go and try and 

1240
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:04,000
negotiate with kind of trying 
some Salvage something, and they

1241
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,300
don't quite know what to do. 
And I love the fact that Terry 

1242
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,200
Thomas refers to Fred kite as 
absolute shocker. 

1243
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,899
And this is the same way. 
We get Terry Thomas turning up 

1244
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:21,500
to Fred clients house. 
Yes, which is lovely. 

1245
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:24,100
And I love you even though he's 
just said, he's the sort of guy 

1246
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:27,200
who sleeps as bad as they seem 
to really well once upon a few 

1247
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,800
cherries. 
Mmm, they seem to really get on,

1248
01:08:31,899 --> 01:08:35,300
but Terry Thomas is characters. 
Well, he insults the management 

1249
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,399
to kite and insults kite to the 
management. 

1250
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,600
So he's also being being on 
genuine at the whole time. 

1251
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:42,800
He's one of those people and 
I've worked with people like 

1252
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:43,200
this. 
I'm sure. 

1253
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,600
You have, who will tell you will
tell you what? 

1254
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,700
They know you want to hear. 
Yes. 

1255
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,200
Now here's my favorite. 
Terry-thomas facts that I just 

1256
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,500
found out. 
Yeah, Terry Thomas is real. 

1257
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:57,800
Name was Thomas Terry. 
It was Thomas Terry Stevens but,

1258
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,399
you know, he always had, it's 
like, yeah, it is his first name

1259
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:01,899
like Madonna. 
He's very like Madonna. 

1260
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,399
He is like one first name and 
the big gap in his teeth and the

1261
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:07,399
conical bra. 
Yes. 

1262
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:09,800
So he is our Madonna. 
And the other thing I was gonna,

1263
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,899
I was gonna make some sort of 
sarcastic comment about he's 

1264
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:15,800
being, he's called Terry Thomas 
with a hyphen in the middle 

1265
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,399
because it represents the Gap in
his teeth. 

1266
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:21,500
And that actually is why, if you
read, why he put the hyphen, he 

1267
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:23,600
said it was because he wanted it
to be seen as a first name. 

1268
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,500
But also because it Has entered 
the Gap. 

1269
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:32,100
Oh wow. 
Yeah, I know that he was related

1270
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:34,899
to Richard briers. 
I didn't know that. 

1271
01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:37,700
Yeah, cousins, I think. 
Okay. 

1272
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,700
And that his dad. 
Well, there's a big thing as 

1273
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:41,100
well. 
That his dad was a butcher. 

1274
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:44,899
So the whole kind of upper-class
thing is made up, but if you 

1275
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,500
look at his biography he was 
seduced by his housekeeper. 

1276
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,600
So he was a butcher that had a 
housekeepers. 

1277
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,100
They weren't exactly fucking 
class. 

1278
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:59,600
No no by Hits on this plan of 
this idea, the solution that if 

1279
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,500
Stanley resigns due to ill 
health or on by overwork that 

1280
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:06,600
will work for everybody. 
Yeah. 

1281
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:08,800
And actually, that's 
interesting, as well in this 

1282
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,900
scene is that even though quite 
is drunk, and he's emotional, is

1283
01:10:11,900 --> 01:10:15,000
emotional because more that 
Stanley's left in them, these 

1284
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,300
wife has left him. 
He properties. 

1285
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:21,800
Probably thinking, you know, 
when Terry Thomas when Hitchcock

1286
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,500
makes a proposal or can we do 
this? 

1287
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:26,800
He has a good moment of thinking
going, no, no, no, that wouldn't

1288
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,900
work in the way that the union 
is run. 

1289
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,200
So, they actually have a quite 
sensible meeting. 

1290
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:36,600
You get the impression to kite, 
is probably fairly good at his 

1291
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,500
job, fairly good, but we don't 
even know what his job is like, 

1292
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,000
most shop stewards, they work as
well. 

1293
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,100
True, he seems to not actually 
work on the factory floor, I 

1294
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:49,400
know that I believe at this 
time, I don't know if it's still

1295
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,900
the case. 
All shops to is really a thing 

1296
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:54,600
of the past now and they really,
but it should, it was an unpaid.

1297
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:55,800
Position. 
Isn't it? 

1298
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:57,400
Okay. 
Okay. 

1299
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,800
So it's really it's someone 
would want to be a shop steward 

1300
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:05,000
who just wants a guess a certain
degree of power because the 

1301
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,300
certainly not getting paid for 
it. 

1302
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:12,500
Yeah so and then we have this 
because then he's basically 

1303
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:16,500
become a national hero terms of 
the media, he's invited onto 

1304
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:20,500
this kind of question. 
Time like a program called 

1305
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:25,000
argument posted by The real life
Malcolm Malcolm muggeridge. 

1306
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,800
Yeah, he was a real life TV 
presenter. 

1307
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,600
And that's another thing that I 
meant to mention from earlier. 

1308
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,400
So there's animation at the 
beginning of the film and the 

1309
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,400
narration is done in the path. 
A newsreel voice. 

1310
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:37,900
Hmm. 
I know this because I'm 

1311
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,700
currently researching a play 
which is set in 1940s and 

1312
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:43,600
watching a lot of path, a 
newsreels and that's another 

1313
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,300
thing we might not notice when 
we watch the film now is that it

1314
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:49,000
is presented like a documentary.
Hmm. 

1315
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:53,300
The the voiceover would have 
made the audience feel They were

1316
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:57,100
watching the news. 
Yes, very much of docu comedy in

1317
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:59,300
the same vein as the office. 
Yeah. 

1318
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:02,600
As a lot of Echoes of the office
actually, Malcolm muggeridge, of

1319
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:09,400
course, probably most remembered
now by Our Generation as the guy

1320
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,800
that had that argument on 
television with John Cleese and 

1321
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,200
Michael Palin about my foot, 
bro. 

1322
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,200
Okay. 
Malcolm muggeridge was 

1323
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,300
complaining about the film 
because he saw it as being 

1324
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:22,800
Blasphemous from us. 
Although he'd been late getting 

1325
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,600
in To the cinema. 
So he missed the first scene 

1326
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,200
where we, actually clearly see, 
Jesus being born somewhere else 

1327
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,300
and then it pounds across the to
Brian, doesn't it? 

1328
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,700
So it's clearly not meant to be 
Jesus. 

1329
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:36,700
You got that is Malcolm 
muggeridge. 

1330
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:38,200
Yeah, of course. 
He wants, you know, be the 

1331
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,700
similar to having Jeremy Paxman.
Now suddenly pop up in the film.

1332
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:45,700
Yeah, and I think again, as a 
comment on society, these 

1333
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:54,600
people, the people on this panel
are a Because we never know what

1334
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,000
nationality mr. 
Muhammad is. 

1335
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:59,400
But if we're going to go with 
Turkish, a Turkish arms, broker 

1336
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,400
who seems to be quite high up in
the government of some Arabian 

1337
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,800
country. 
A man who runs a missile Factory

1338
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:10,800
and a Trade union leader. 
And these people are ultimately 

1339
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,000
answerable to the television. 
There are no politicians in the 

1340
01:13:15,008 --> 01:13:18,000
whole film, I think. 
Now, I don't think there are 

1341
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,300
any, there's this the minister 
of Labour, who's interviewed on 

1342
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:25,800
television, very brief. 
During and that's a very clever 

1343
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,200
bit. 
I remember that bit the minister

1344
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,100
of Labour. 
And also, then they also 

1345
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:31,400
interview the head of the Tec. 
Yes. 

1346
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:34,100
And both of them say nothing. 
Yes. 

1347
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:37,500
Minister of Labor says, this is 
an ongoing issue and the head of

1348
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:39,000
the to. 
You see says exactly the same 

1349
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,100
thing which is echoed earlier in
the film. 

1350
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,200
When Dennis Price says, I have 
written this down then it's 

1351
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,500
price says what I love about 
capitalism is we're all in it. 

1352
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,400
We're all in the same game 
working together and it 

1353
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,900
instantly goes to Fred quite 
saying what I love about. 

1354
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,400
This is a role in the same game 
moving forward together. 

1355
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:58,900
Hmm. 
So it constantly has this 

1356
01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:01,800
balance of their showing. 
These are both the same. 

1357
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,500
Yes. 
They're both. 

1358
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:06,000
Just trying to make money and 
they're both trying to convince 

1359
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,000
you that you are working for 
yourself. 

1360
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:11,100
It's kind of it's corrosive 
though because I hate that 

1361
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:15,000
argument that you know, people 
that say lazy people that say 

1362
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,600
all politicians. 
They're all as bad as each 

1363
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:17,200
other. 
Yeah. 

1364
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,100
Yeah. 
It's like no they're not. 

1365
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:20,400
They're not all as bad as each 
other. 

1366
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,100
I blame the want to get 
politically but I believe We've 

1367
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:25,500
been talking about label. 
Right jackets. 

1368
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:28,800
Incredibly political film. 
Yeah, but I blame the expenses 

1369
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,400
Scandal. 
I think that had a really 

1370
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:36,300
corrosive effect on both sides 
were doing similar. 

1371
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:37,900
Yeah. 
But not all of them that they 

1372
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:42,900
weren't all expenses. 
But now it's very easy for 

1373
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:46,100
people to to forgive the 
government or members of 

1374
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:49,300
parliament by just saying 
they're all as bad as each 

1375
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:52,800
other. 
Yeah, obviously obviously we 

1376
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,900
Forgot to mention. 
So cocci tries to tries to 

1377
01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:59,600
bribe, tries to buy him off with
a hold or full of £1 notes. 

1378
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:02,800
I think, at this point, we don't
know if he's trying to. 

1379
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,600
So this point, he gives them the
whole doll and Stanley takes the

1380
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:11,200
whole door of £1 notes, which is
thousands of pounds, bit weird. 

1381
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:15,100
This is where coxy has revealed 
the whole plan and Stanley just 

1382
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:18,700
is, is reeling from this. 
He looks like he's in a daze, he

1383
01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:21,000
can't. 
It's kind of the scales have 

1384
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,400
fallen from his eyes. 
But Stanley, yes, Stanley takes 

1385
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,700
the holder. 
We don't know what he's going to

1386
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:29,700
do with it, and then we cut to 
the interview itself. 

1387
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,800
And again, before you get 
Stanley, there's a lovely Peter 

1388
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,900
Sellers bit here as well. 
Lovely piece of calm, Pete. 

1389
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:41,400
Kite is the only person who 
talks, and he has a wonderful 

1390
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,600
bit of business where he's 
trying to be really 

1391
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,100
professional, but he's never 
been a television studio and the

1392
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:51,300
televisions, the directors 
trying to get him to wind up, 

1393
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:52,800
but he doesn't understand why 
he's being. 

1394
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,000
That which makes him completely 
forget his point. 

1395
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,700
I'll be your situation is quite 
straightforward as trade. 

1396
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:10,200
Unionists, we have always been 
concerned, we are poor 

1397
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,500
efficiency and the poor, the 
individual worker. 

1398
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:20,300
And it is. 
It is for that reason that we 

1399
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:25,000
oppose the attempt of the 
management to overwork the man 

1400
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:31,300
on the job. 
It is for that reason that we 

1401
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:34,400
oppose the introduction of 
everybody agrees. 

1402
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,300
The met all of his friends. 
Go. 

1403
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:36,900
Yeah. 
You said it, you tell him that 

1404
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:39,700
he actually didn't say anything.
All he says, is the city. 

1405
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:44,100
I think he says the situation is
quite straightforward and you 

1406
01:16:44,108 --> 01:16:45,800
got Mom and Cynthia there in the
audience. 

1407
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,500
Everyone seems to be new in the 
audience. 

1408
01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:51,400
Well, listen Pia half of the 
trade unionists are in the 

1409
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,600
audience and half of them, are 
watching it at the pub. 

1410
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:56,500
Yeah. 
And Victor Madden is front and 

1411
01:16:56,500 --> 01:17:00,900
center and the pub, isn't he? 
And it marvelous, which he said,

1412
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:05,200
he wouldn't little touch one 
little scene that I forgot to 

1413
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,900
mention earlier, from earlier 
with victim Madden, and it kind 

1414
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:10,800
of shows the character, the 
character who plays Knowles is 

1415
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,600
actually a decent guy. 
The strike is called everyone's 

1416
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:15,800
out. 
Yeah. 

1417
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,500
And then you see a little bit 
later on, Victor Madden's 

1418
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:21,300
character on his bike. 
So I got back to the factory 

1419
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,500
goes up to the crepe, where the 
guys are playing cards. 

1420
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:28,900
And tells them that there's a 
strike on, he's remembered them,

1421
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:31,700
you know? 
And and they say all right, 

1422
01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:33,400
well, no point us working doing 
all this work. 

1423
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:38,000
We may as well go and I nose is 
clearly always thinking about 

1424
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,700
everybody else. 
Yes, even though he's used at 

1425
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:45,100
the beginning, he is the soldier
that they show when Churchill 

1426
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:49,300
does the V sign for peace, they 
show a soldier doing the V sign 

1427
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:51,100
as in the up yours. 
Yeah. 

1428
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:53,900
And then it goes into the engine
so he is shown as the 

1429
01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:55,000
archetypal. 
I'm all right? 

1430
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,200
Jacked person. 
Hmm, which is somebody saying 

1431
01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:00,700
I'm fine. 
So, who cares about you and the 

1432
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:03,200
party? 
The phrase originates from a 

1433
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,500
sailor who was saved, there was 
a sailor who was saved from some

1434
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:10,600
conflict and after he got into 
the boat he pulled the ladder up

1435
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:16,100
after him saying. 
I'm all right jack but actually 

1436
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:20,400
Knowles even though he very much
keeps up the system of people 

1437
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,100
not working, but still getting 
paid. 

1438
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,000
He is very much a character 
that. 

1439
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,800
Yeah, he checks In on everybody,
you can tell in his head. 

1440
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,700
He's always thinking about other
people, hmm. 

1441
01:18:28,900 --> 01:18:33,600
Yes, actually, yes. 
So Stanley's on this panel and 

1442
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:37,700
he's smoking endless cigarettes.
Yes, and he looks really IDs 

1443
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:43,600
really agitated and then he 
starts to speak, he decides 

1444
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,400
there and then that is going to 
blow the Gaff. 

1445
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,500
Yeah. 
And it gives both. 

1446
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:51,000
So he interrupts kite and gives 
both barrels to Fred kite. 

1447
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:54,700
And and then he starts laying 
into his uncle Bertram much 

1448
01:18:54,700 --> 01:18:55,800
more. 
Early as well. 

1449
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,300
Yes, he just talks him, but 
Uncle Burton, he goes right up 

1450
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:02,500
to his face and starts shouting 
at his face and the camera, the,

1451
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:04,900
the producer panics and they 
need to move all the cameras. 

1452
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:07,200
He's sort of shelter. 
Uncle Bertie says you. 

1453
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:10,000
He's cheated everyone even his 
own mother, which is aren't 

1454
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,800
Dolly. 
And he says, you're a Bounder as

1455
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,000
streamlined chromium-plated 
old-fashioned. 

1456
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,500
Bounder. 
And when the only other time we 

1457
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:22,200
see as McCannon, so we watch 
this only react to the fact that

1458
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:27,400
her son has cheated her and the 
two servants, the chauffeur and 

1459
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:31,900
as McCannon are laughing in the 
background because they're an 

1460
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:34,700
absolutely that Dennis Price 
being shown up for who he is. 

1461
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,300
Yes. 
Yeah. 

1462
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,800
And it culminates in Stanley 
upending, the whole doll and all

1463
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,700
the money coming out and flying 
everywhere and the whole 

1464
01:19:42,700 --> 01:19:45,200
audience, everybody. 
Yeah, scrambling? 

1465
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:47,900
Right? 
For anybody. 

1466
01:19:47,900 --> 01:19:49,800
Who's done any kind of film 
studies. 

1467
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,300
So, so a couple of really weird 
things happen in this scene. 

1468
01:19:53,300 --> 01:19:54,900
They're in, they're in the BBC 
television. 

1469
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:57,100
Yeah, and he throws money 
everywhere. 

1470
01:19:57,100 --> 01:20:00,600
So, the audience rushes to get 
the money, it instantly turns 

1471
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,800
into Pastiche of Battleship 
potemkin. 

1472
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,400
So have you seen Battleship 
potemkin? 

1473
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,700
I've only seen that the pram 
going down the steps. 

1474
01:20:09,700 --> 01:20:12,000
I'm afraid I'm going down the 
steps scene. 

1475
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,100
Hmm, there is a bit where an 
intellectual. 

1476
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,300
He's shown to be an intellectual
because he's wearing glasses and

1477
01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:21,700
he is trying to prevent what's 
happening. 

1478
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:24,400
I know. 
I think it's the woman who gets 

1479
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,500
the gun in. 
Her face is wearing the glasses 

1480
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:29,600
and the glass of her eyeglasses 
shatters as she's hit in the 

1481
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,500
face. 
But what you get in, I'm all 

1482
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:35,800
right, jack is as the money 
flies around, you get very 

1483
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:40,500
extreme close-ups of people's 
faces and the man who is the end

1484
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:44,000
of the world is nigh. 
Man is shoved to the floor and 

1485
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,100
his hand is stamped on and you 
get a very extreme close-up of 

1486
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:51,100
his face with his round glasses 
screaming and it is an absolute 

1487
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:53,800
like it's so much like 
Battleship potemkin going to be 

1488
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:58,200
on purpose but Can't work out 
why whether it's something to do

1489
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,500
with a class structure? 
I don't know. 

1490
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,800
Well, clearly it's so much the 
same. 

1491
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,600
It's clearly meant to be like 
battle. 

1492
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:11,300
I mean, that is that seen as a 
much parodied seen as an it from

1493
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:13,100
Battleship potemkin. 
I know that they do it. 

1494
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:16,600
It's not a parody but they, 
there's a nod to it in The 

1495
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,500
Untouchables film isn't there? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1496
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,300
But at this time, back in the 
50s, would they have been silly 

1497
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:26,900
literate, light? 
Like I don't know how Balton 

1498
01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:28,800
brothers would have been. 
I don't know how big it was 

1499
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,700
commercially. 
I know Battleship potemkin. 

1500
01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:33,700
So I used to work at film museum
at the BFI, right? 

1501
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,700
I worked as a Russian agitprop 
worker so I would be teaching 

1502
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,800
how Battleship potemkin Works to
people who came into the museum.

1503
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,700
This amount. 
That's why I know that the glass

1504
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:48,000
is this glass is there 
represents Intelligentsia that 

1505
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,400
they read and they talk but they
do not fight. 

1506
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,900
And you see the glass has been 
broken because what she has seen

1507
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:56,300
is so horrific. 
And I would talk about this all 

1508
01:21:56,300 --> 01:22:00,200
day, so I remember that each 
character that's sewn in 

1509
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:04,800
close-up and Battleship potemkin
represents a different level of 

1510
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:09,000
the class structure. 
Eisenstein was one of the first 

1511
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:14,000
people to use symbols to 
represent political tropes. 

1512
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,900
Yeah, I feel really stupid now, 
because point the point I was 

1513
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:20,500
going to make about the seniors 
that it reminded me a bit of 

1514
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:22,500
that episode of, filthy rich, 
you cat flap. 

1515
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:25,600
Do you remember filthy rich? 
She can't fly. 

1516
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,100
Like I say, I have no memories 
of my own youth. 

1517
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,200
There's a there's a there's an 
episode where there's a 

1518
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,300
fictional the filming of 
fictional game. 

1519
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:35,600
Show called newer sounds a bit 
rude. 

1520
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,300
Oh yeah. 
And it descends into chaos and 

1521
01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:41,300
the TV producer at the end 
played by Chris bury. 

1522
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,500
This is basically losing his 
crap and ends up with his head 

1523
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:47,900
in his hands because 
everything's everything's gone 

1524
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:49,400
wrong and it just reminded me a 
bit of that. 

1525
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:53,100
But anyway, you for Battleship 
potemkin I've bought Filthy Rich

1526
01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:58,200
cat, flaps this scene in Does 
from Battleship potemkin to then

1527
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:05,100
sort of Keystone Cops style 
punching session with, with a 

1528
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:09,200
woman, a large woman who's got a
lot of money being approached by

1529
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,000
cocci, who whacks cocci over the
head. 

1530
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:14,000
But then I showed it to my 
daughter. 

1531
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,500
Earlier, I said, you guess what 
happens next and she's going to,

1532
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:18,700
I don't know. 
Vikings arrived. 

1533
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:21,200
Mmm. 
So then it comes Mel Brooks. 

1534
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:24,800
It can go Blazing Saddles. 
Yeah. 

1535
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:28,700
Yeah, base of one minute. 
Yeah. 

1536
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:32,300
Looks like Vikings arrived. 
Which you presume when you're 

1537
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:34,700
watching it because it's the BBC
Studios. 

1538
01:23:34,700 --> 01:23:37,800
And clearly next door, they were
filming some kind of biking epic

1539
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,800
therefore but that's never 
explained. 

1540
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,700
It's never explained where the 
Vikings come from. 

1541
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,500
Why they're there. 
How they know there's money. 

1542
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:49,900
It's the most surreal moment of 
the entire film web, give in to 

1543
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:52,200
slapstick comedy. 
Yeah. 

1544
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:53,600
Oh. 
And I forgot to mention this, 

1545
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,900
this Wednesday, Wednesday night.
Buying into his uncle. 

1546
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:58,700
He says he says that you're 
waiving the Union Jack and 

1547
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:01,200
nobody can see what you're 
getting up to behind it. 

1548
01:24:01,700 --> 01:24:05,100
Yes, I just wrote down plue such
a challenge. 

1549
01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:10,000
Yes it was ever thus, it's very 
contemporary politics apart from

1550
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,900
the fact that I don't like 
comparing Fred kite to make 

1551
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:15,900
Lynch because I love Nick Lynch 
and Fred kite is a bad guy. 

1552
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,200
And, you know, and that is one 
difference when I was looking at

1553
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,100
Mike Lynch videos, there was 
that whole thing the interview 

1554
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:25,700
had with K Burly, where she kept
saying, What will you do to 

1555
01:24:25,700 --> 01:24:27,700
people who break the strike? 
And he just kept laughing and 

1556
01:24:27,708 --> 01:24:30,500
saying, what do you think I'm 
going to do K and it was clear 

1557
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:33,500
that she was implying that they 
would get beaten up because that

1558
01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:38,800
is a stereotype and a Trope and 
Mick Lynch made it very clear 

1559
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,300
that they would be spoken to and
have things explained to them. 

1560
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,000
Whereas on the picket line, Fred
kites people are actually being 

1561
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,500
quite violent to Stanley when he
arrives and tries to cross. 

1562
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,000
Yeah, that's when he calls in 
Judas, actually. 

1563
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,800
That's that is a moment where 
you see Fred kite. 

1564
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,800
Genuinely emotionally, upset 
that Stanley is breaking the 

1565
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,700
strike and being beaten up. 
He seems to be upset about both 

1566
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:03,000
of those things. 
It does. 

1567
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:05,100
Yes. 
And this this film ends 

1568
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:09,100
unexpectedly really is. 
We see Raymond Huntley as the 

1569
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:12,500
magistrate finding against only.
Yes, I'm accuses. 

1570
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:16,000
Him of slandering. 
Both Uncle Bertie and Fred kite 

1571
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:19,000
who both are in the in the 
court. 

1572
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,400
And they both look very smug and
satisfying by this, basically, 

1573
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:27,700
so they've won really haven't. 
And it's just it's a weird 

1574
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:30,300
ending. 
It is, as I said, it's a plague 

1575
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:33,300
on all your houses really, by 
the buildings and he's bound 

1576
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:35,600
over to keep the peace for a 
year. 

1577
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,800
So we see, we end up seeing and 
back at Sonny blades, with his 

1578
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,300
dad, who seems to be still 
watching mushrooms, or whatever 

1579
01:25:42,300 --> 01:25:49,200
he's doing and like you say all 
these naked, women want to play 

1580
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,300
tennis and end up chasing him 
through the woods. 

1581
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:54,000
But the difference is now that 
he's naked and the first thing, 

1582
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:57,400
he's visiting his Harder and 
he's not naked and he's very 

1583
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,800
clear that he does not want to 
be naked, and he finds it weird,

1584
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,800
but in the last scene when he 
goes back, he's not visiting. 

1585
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,100
He's clearly living there. 
And I guess there is meant to be

1586
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:10,200
a sense of giving up on society.
Yeah. 

1587
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:14,300
Society is so trash and so 
riddled with with stupid people 

1588
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:18,000
that you have to literally give 
up on all of it to make it work.

1589
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,200
You can't you have can have no 
possessions. 

1590
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,400
You can't even have clothes and 
and yes but there is that old 

1591
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,100
thing at the end. 
The end that he is just as 

1592
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:29,900
terrified of the naked women as 
he was of the nuclear arms race.

1593
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:37,000
But just as just finish off, 
really sellers himself described

1594
01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:41,800
the carriage of red kite as on 
the surface and infuriating old 

1595
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,300
Blockhead. 
And yet somehow moving who did 

1596
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:47,400
his best according to his own 
lights. 

1597
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,800
And in 1971 sellers said in an 
interview that the Bolton 

1598
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,900
brothers were writing a sequel 
to this film. 

1599
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,500
Well Fred kite becomes an MP. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1600
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,200
But that never happened. 
And he did say in another 

1601
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,800
interview in the 70s that and I 
presume this was before being 

1602
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,500
there. 
He was asked what his favorite 

1603
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:12,500
film of his was sellers said 
this film, only two can play and

1604
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:13,400
dr. 
Strangelove. 

1605
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:18,700
So, but it was that's dr. 
Strangelove in the, you know, 

1606
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:21,500
the illogical imaginations of 
the arms race. 

1607
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:23,000
Yeah. 
Yes. 

1608
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:26,000
And and and it was the first Um,
that made him really. 

1609
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,800
Wasn't it this film? 
Yes where's when he won the 

1610
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,700
bathtub I hadn't realized how 
famous he was before. 

1611
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:33,500
I think my mom would always 
giving me the impression that he

1612
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:36,900
hadn't been that famous before 
this and he actually was very 

1613
01:27:36,900 --> 01:27:41,600
much so but I think this brought
him to the visual arts because 

1614
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,900
before he was he was more well 
known as an audio artist. 

1615
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:48,400
Yeah, he might hit I think he'd 
had his trying to think of the 

1616
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:53,000
chronology his first starring 
like name above the title, was 

1617
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:57,900
the mouse that roared, which was
The same year, but it made it 

1618
01:27:57,900 --> 01:28:00,000
made that the year before, 
something like that. 

1619
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,000
Anyway, my mom, like, I've got, 
I was trying to find it even 

1620
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,100
though we can't see it on the 
podcast, but I can't find it 

1621
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:09,200
anywhere by mom's got a very 
early autograph from Peter 

1622
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:14,100
Sellers because she was a big 
fan of his when he was on razor 

1623
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:16,600
law, which is one of the yeah. 
Yeah. 

1624
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,400
When he was young, chubby Peter 
Sellers on the radio, doing all 

1625
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,400
these different voices for Ted 
Ray and it's a really 

1626
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,600
interesting autograph book. 
Because it's got his home 

1627
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,500
address on it from his home 
address. 

1628
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,600
There's weird to think that 
like, any any celebrity now 

1629
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,600
putting their home address on 
it, autographed. 

1630
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,900
It is clearly, it was clearly. 
One of the first autographs have

1631
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:40,600
been asked for because he 
wasn't, I think it was raised a 

1632
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,800
laughs pretty good. 
It was pretty good, wasn't it? 

1633
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:48,200
It started 49. 
And he was on it until 54 but 

1634
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,100
the game started, 50 12 1960. 
Okay. 

1635
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,400
Yeah. 
So my mom would just write to 

1636
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,100
everybody and she would say, 
Everybody that they were her 

1637
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:58,500
favorite. 
And she once said to me she 

1638
01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,500
wants said, that sounds really 
mean and dishonest but actually 

1639
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:03,800
they really were all my 
favorites because I loved all of

1640
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,800
them. 
Samara, what are you, what have 

1641
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,000
you got coming up? 
What are you working on at the 

1642
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,500
moment. 
But what's up solo? 

1643
01:29:11,500 --> 01:29:12,800
Show vanilla? 
Yep. 

1644
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,700
Mentioned, which is linked to 
this, because the bulletins 

1645
01:29:15,700 --> 01:29:19,200
grandson is going out to, with 
Jade farewell, from a little mix

1646
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:24,400
who I mention and investigate my
solo show, vanilla is streaming 

1647
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,000
on Netflix. 
Next up comedy. 

1648
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,600
So that's next up, comedy.com is
a streaming service which costs 

1649
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,300
only two pounds a month. 
But it also comes with, I think 

1650
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:34,700
it comes with Amazon and various
other things. 

1651
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:38,300
Okay, I am digging all over the 
country. 

1652
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:42,800
That's just so regular. 
It's very hard to say exactly 

1653
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,500
where because I don't know when 
people are listening to the 

1654
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:48,100
podcast. 
So if you follow me on Twitter 

1655
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:52,200
or go, if you follow me on 
Twitter, I talk a lot. 

1656
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:53,600
If you don't want me to talk a 
lot. 

1657
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,300
Been like, my Facebook, Hbase 
book, mellow rock, and they have

1658
01:29:57,300 --> 01:30:01,400
my gigs on and generally the big
thing I'm doing at the moment as

1659
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:06,000
I'm writing a play, which is 
probably not going to be that 

1660
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,800
funny. 
But of course, I can't help but 

1661
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,200
be sarcastic. 
And that is going to be finished

1662
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,400
by January because I'm writing 
it as part of the scheme and 

1663
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,000
that's going to be showcased at 
the Young Vic theater in 

1664
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,400
Waterloo on the 13th of January.
Fantastic. 

1665
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,600
Okay. 
And this is the play You 

1666
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,600
referred to earlier in terms of 
you were doing research. 

1667
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,900
Empathy use the 1940. 
It's about the Isle of Man 

1668
01:30:28,900 --> 01:30:31,600
internment camp where they put 
all the enemy aliens. 

1669
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:35,400
So they put a lot of amateurish 
refugees, but they also were 

1670
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:39,000
living with Nazis because they 
just Churchill wasn't bothered. 

1671
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,400
Basically gentle. 
They had a meeting where they 

1672
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,100
tried to explain to Churchill, 
that it's probably not a good 

1673
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:47,900
idea to put Jewish refugees and 
we're Nazis but he found it too 

1674
01:30:47,900 --> 01:30:50,500
confusing that they're all these
different types of Germans. 

1675
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:53,700
So he just was like, oh yeah, 
just the famous phrases, 

1676
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:57,500
collared a lot. 
So am I, my mom and grandmother 

1677
01:30:57,500 --> 01:30:59,600
were there. 
So yet again, haunted by my 

1678
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,100
mother, I'm writing a play about
her. 

1679
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,300
Thanks to Merrill. 
Thanks for listening. 

1680
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:08,300
See you all next week if I've 
not gone on strike. 

1681
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,200
Yeah. 
Cheers.