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Hello and welcome to goon pod 
this week. 

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We're talking about another goon
show which is a British war film

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parody. 
They love doing that and they 

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love sending out. 
The, the idea of the bookie 

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British has giving a bloody nose
to Fritz and his friends. 

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So sit back and enjoy or stand 
up and enjoy or just do whatever

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you're doing, but make sure you 
enjoy. 

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Joining me today, is Phil Canon 
of the Doctor Who podcast. 

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Who's he? 
Thank you very much, Tyler. 

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It's a real pleasure to be here 
and a pleasure to talk about 

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something other than dr. 
Hope for a change. 

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As I say this, every time I 
didn't know, there were Doctor 

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Who podcasts to be honest but 
there there are hundreds. 

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So what is what is, what is your
you sp? 

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Well, basically we are so we've 
been going for like ten years 

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now and basically We just sort 
of as I talk about Doctor Who in

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all its various various formats 
actually, whether it's not the 

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televised stuff for the not like
the sum of the. 

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What we I grew up with is the 
target novelizations which was 

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based in the 70s was our only 
window into pre Tom Baker, 

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Doctor Who really, and then you 
cause you've got the audio 

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stories from Big finish as well.
So there's there's quite a bit 

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of content to talk to get your 
teeth into the whole. 

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Thing of whose he came from our 
long-lost. 

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Third co-host, tiny because he 
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Doctor Who but it wasn't sort of
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at the time because we remember 
years ago, we weren't on. 

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We were like a Lads holiday to 
Florida and in Florida in August

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it. 
Just chucked it down with rain 

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every day because it's like, 
it's tropical there. 

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So, it's big down Pro and of 
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But a couple of days, there were
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So we were stuck in the hotel 
room. 

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Watching Star Trek and all the 
way through it, Tony was easy. 

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What's he doing? 
Who's that? 

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So, and then so we just sort 
right? 

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Hos he but if I ate sizing the 
Doctor Who but also it ties into

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his line of questioning all the 
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So that that's it. 
That's that's how we got the 

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name, really? 
It was is actually nothing to do

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with doctors more start related.
If anything, listen, we are not 

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going to be talking about Doctor
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that because Today we are going 
to be talking about a particular

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goon show which is an episode 
very dear to your heart, I'm 

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sure. 
So you know, what's your history

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with the goons? 
How did you come to the goons? 

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Well, I thought occurred a long 
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really because initially it was 
Spike Milligan that I was re and

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still am really really a big fan
of he's my you know my all-time 

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hero and it was really sort of 
there were two things really it.

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Baku series, which I odd 
occasional. 

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I was allowed to watch. 
Hmm, when I was a kid and also 

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he's War Memoirs which my life. 
It's my grandfather first. 

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I thought it seems to happen 
there but somebody would buy a 

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book in certainly my phone in 
the buy a book and then it be 

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passed around so everybody to 
read. 

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Yeah. 
And one of them was not, it 

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wasn't at all feel my partner is
down for, it was Monte my part 

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and he's Victory, right? 
Okay. 

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I wish which is the which is the
The third book. 

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Yeah and I was okay I didn't 
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it, what was in there because 
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naughty language wasn't there 
for the special for a, for a 

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child but it was the it was the 
pictures and the drawings in 

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there. 
So you might like there was that

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I was it was the one about the 
Battle dress, I come up. 

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I don't think was Monte but it 
was the one about his battle 

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dress. 
That let in win small rodents 

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and soup. 
I think was but which was which 

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was still stay stay tuned to 
this day but also that picture 

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of Gal, getting into the cockpit
of these meshes Schmidt, and the

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caption underneath it, a German 
fighter pilot, crap it into his 

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cockpit. 
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well. 
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Milligan's had a real love-hate 
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they? 
For the moment started working 

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into the desert to the day, he 
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I think, really. 
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the queue series was, it was 
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But of course there's at least 
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there as well which I completely
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box sets came out recently. 
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I've forgotten was it Milligan 
Ed Welch? 

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That's right. 
Yeah, musical contributions. 

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That than really good words 
would sing on their each week. 

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Yeah but that was it that that 
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I've been absolutely hooked on 
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As much stuff as I possibly 
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So I've got different versions 
of the war Memoirs, I've got 

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them on on audio, I've got mean 
cassette version, I've got them 

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on CD and one of the box sets he
signed as well, but I didn't 

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actually make him to do it. 
My parents bought it for. 

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If my birthday, this would have 
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that come up about the early 
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I think this would have been 
like 80s, early 90s. 

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Yeah. 
And they and Assigned the first 

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300. 
So, so I've got your signature 

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on the box set. 
So obviously I've got nothing 

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nothing. 
I can play cassettes and it 

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anymore, but I won't partly 
because it's got his signature 

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on it. 
Salute, you know. 

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Yeah. 
You know, I cannot part with it 

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but every time they sort of mum 
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there's a, if you've got this, 
but they're going to love 

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looking around, sort of junk 
shops, or charity shops. 

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And they're always so Milligan, 
book, have you got this already 

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got that while I'm great now. 
I haven't, you know, can you can

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you pick it up for me and so 
they sort of fed my they I fed 

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my habit over the years so to be
honest. 

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So but yeah, I mean, obviously, 
but the other the other goons 

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obviously I probably second to 
Milligan was probably Michael 

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been team because watching pot 
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Okay. 
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Which I absolutely, I was 
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It was the little flea circus 
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I was fascinated by it. 
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The Pink Panther I presume was 
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Sellers? 
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it was the Pink Panther show 
really was the cartoon and they 

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saw that. 
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it's all cartoon character would
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It wasn't till much later after 
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of found that I was told that I 
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film, it's Peter Sellers and I 
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that's how I that's the only 
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I knew he was a goon but in the 
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Any gunshots at all. 
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secant mainly from east of 
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and again, also play mr. 
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saw him actually was doing that.
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but at that time in the 70s, 
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was 81. 
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telling me about the girls 
because he used to listen to him

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in the 50s. 
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have I've watched the coder 
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understood? 
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I think that's the thing about 
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It it works on radio, it's made 
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You can only go on those Flights
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On radio, you can't fish, you 
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you can't, you can't visualize 
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certainly can't do it with 
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that either. 
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You just can't be done. 
That's the thing about radio and

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just sound effects because the 
budget is Limitless. 

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Yeah. 
Really. 

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Oh yeah. 
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So I some I'd ever seen about 
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this, this documentary was on. 
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Saturday night. 
Now we never, we were not my 

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purse. 
An audio files at all. 

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They never very rarely listen to
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I think my mum used to Terry 
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mom wasn't a bishop. 
She's not the radio. 

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The only music being on, she's 
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NT noise and then he I don't 
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that because you get people like
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people that likes like Solitude 
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Silence that, you know, I can't,
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need to be listened to a podcast
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When I'm something, I'm ya doing
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If yeah, if I'm on my own doing 
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the bathroom tiles, you know I 
need something, something 

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something on. 
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honest, he wasn't at 10 o'clock 
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why recalls the next day. 
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Mixed up it. 
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that pot and by then it's 
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few interviews at you. 
Cutter interviews with Spike and

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Harry some, and some other key 
players and lots of Clips to the

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goats. 
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And I think the obviously I was 
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years old was around about that 
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oyster, hmm I was okay. 
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listen to someone breaking wind 
on the radio, I was in 

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hysterics, I was in absolute 
last Eric's 

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and that, that was it. 
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hooked on it, but then the next 
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Sunday, lunch tone radio tuned 
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that, they broadcast. 
Gun shows. 

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Okay, yeah, so yeah. 
So which and then I had to 

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offer, I know I've got no, I 
don't want to recall them. 

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I thought it's more Milligan 
stuff. 

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I can collect. 
So, I found out that my dad 

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Dugout an old cassette from 
somewhere. 

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lunch time was the of it was the
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and I think the next week would 
queen Queen Anne's Reign. 

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Right? 
Fine dismember. 

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This wouldn't have been 83 word 
The also it was earlier than 

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that actually. 
Jenny reason I'm saying that 

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because I know my good friend 
tilt. 

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Who's been on this show? 
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And we talked about Queen Anne's
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And I know that he heard it in 
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where personal narrative was, 
um, was included in queen. 

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Queen, Anne's Reign, I looked on
BBC genome and From memory. 

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I might be wrong. 
And you know if so I'll edit 

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this out, but I'm pretty sure it
was 83. 

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I made it earlier than that, but
I was like again, I could be 

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wrong as well. 
Let's move, let's move. 

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Let's move on. 
I listen to it in my very my 

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formative years, put it that 
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Okay anyway so that there was 
there was that it was the policy

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Around the World in 80 Days. 
The episode we're going to talk 

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about or highlight. 
So it will melt Go light and 

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then to talk, there's a couple 
hours on there, but that was it.

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I was and I recorded these and I
played them to death after that 

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I could not get enough of it. 
And not every evening, as I 

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said, they're not, my parents 
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And the reason I say it was, it 
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stereo or anything. 
I could place on in my own 

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bedroom at the time so I not 
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dad's hi-fi. 
As they as they were stereogram 

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radiogram. 
Well, there we go back. 

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Let's grab this rubber phone. 
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the headphones. 
And that was all, that was it. 

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I was sort became absolutely 
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And I'll play these episodes 
over and over again. 

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But the thing was, I didn't know
anybody else who listened to it,

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and I was, it was a very sort of
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nobody at school. 
Listen to it. 

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If I'm inside you, listen to the
goons. 

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It was so it's all So that they 
know what he's already showed in

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the 1950s and do the listen to 
that. 

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It's old, it's practically black
and white radios. 

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Far as they were concerned, it 
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film, look listen to Black and 
White radio. 

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So, yeah, so that that I was the
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have a sort of very sort of 
happy time at school, to be 

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honest. 
In those years, those are my 

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secondary school years. 
So having these it was almost 

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like an escape for me. 
As well. 

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I could I could enter this this 
world of equals and blue bottle 

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and blood milk, and they DC goon
and Moriarty and so on. 

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And so on it was it was a it was
a it was a real big Escape for 

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me. 
Hmm But then horror of Horrors, 

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my younger sister, she taped 
over them. 

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That's what younger sisters will
tend to do. 

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I don't think if I know exactly 
I was gutted. 

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I was absolutely gutted. 
I think there was two episodes 

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left. 
I think out of all that I think 

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which is actually personal 
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writing the rest. 
She takes over for whatever, 

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whatever reason, so was until I 
discovered the BBC near my 

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double cassettes. 
And if this is, now, we're 

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looking sort of like mid to late
80s when I discovered them. 

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Yeah. 
So then I was just It's snapping

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them up as well. 
But again, I was, I was playing 

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them to to death and I do for 
you. 

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You had this as well, so 
everyone listen to this. 

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But the, the quality of the BBC 
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great, and they would constantly
unspool it inside it. 

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So, whatever machine I played 
them on. 

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Yeah. 
And they would say, and they 

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would stretch that so that the 
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really bad. 
And yeah, so, but I don't have 

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any It's because it was poor 
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of times. 
I've played them back, but 

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around about that time my dad's 
met Milligan. 

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Right? 
Yeah, it coming out of, I think 

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it back there is it was a branch
of John Menzies in the London 

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Wall. 
My days to work up in a round 

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broad gate, and as he was 
walking in, as she's walking 

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out. 
So Milligan was coming and he 

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held the door. 
Open for my dad said, I've 

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become to buy my book but 
there's no no. 

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I'll just sort of popped up for 
my luncheon. 

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That was it. 
And what? 

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I'm astonished that you want a 
missed opportunity. 

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I know. 
I know. 

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And then when my dad told me 
this when I was working at that 

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time as well, and gotten from my
dad said, oh yeah, I'm ex parte 

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Milligan at Dana's. 
Well well and did you get all 

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girl for me now? 
Will you know how to get back to

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the office? 
And I can current 

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market-clearing me with the two 
words. 

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I said to him, you bastard. 
Okay, could have been worse, 

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could it be worse? 
I know who you but so, Yes, I've

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always wanted, you've met, 
you've met my hero But Chuck 

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something I know I was never 
able to do. 

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I was never able to yeah, you 
know, to do that. 

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But but the thing I mean, the 
other thing as well because say,

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my parents did feed my my gun 
show habit. 

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I think it is, I think, when the
last gun show of all was 

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released on VHS cassette, I 
wasn't aware of it and my dad's 

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again. 
He one of his lunch time for a 

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raise out into the whatever 
shops around it, Renee, 

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Liverpool. 
He came home from work and I was

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upstairs. 
My bedroom watching, sit on the 

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town, he come inside, I'll turn 
this rubbish off. 

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Oh, that was always thinking 
about that. 

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I'll turn this rubbish off, 
wherever it was, I'll turn this 

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rubbish Oscars, and he cut any 
County, said turn this rubbish 

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off of what? 
What, now, he said, I've got 

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this. 
And it was the, it was the last 

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gun show of all right, 
straighten and straighten the, 

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in the, in the old VHS player, 
you know, Keystone halfway 

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through the, the seventh, seal, 
or something, some some landmark

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in cinema and you guys come in 
and say, okay, there's rubbish 

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on At your think it was Star 
Trek next Generation so they 

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probably probably was right to 
improper sure you did. 

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Yes, yes. 
So but I knew watching that you 

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know you could tell that it was 
heavily edited the way to sort 

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of jumped it jumps around and 
then sort of year and I do mean 

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many years later when I tracked 
down the the the complete audio 

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version of that, you realize 
just how much was was cut out of

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that. 
The more I sort of obviously 

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spent Lots on. 
Milligan everything. 

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But obviously I've read that 
stuff on Sellers as well. 

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We won't mention Doctor Who, but
I was, I was guessing on a 

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podcast. 
I think last year sometime, and 

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it wasn't like her, like a 
Doctor Who version of desert 

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island discs. 
All the questions were doctored 

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related. 
He said what other person Dead 

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or Alive. 
Would you like to keep you 

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company on this desert island 
and strange to us? 

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I said, Peter Sellers, right. 
And it, why why? 

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Why? 
Because why Peter says I just 

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thought because I just think he 
would he would be endlessly 

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interesting. 
Really? 

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Because, yeah, he would blow hot
and cold and throwing massive 

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strops and very childish main. 
But I thought he probably the 

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perfect person to be stranded on
a desert island honor because he

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disappeared for two or three 
weeks. 

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And then come back again is 
nothing had happened. 

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Yeah. 
Okay, fair enough. 

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But then if you're there for a 
while and you close Begin to 

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perish. 
So you have to improvise and you

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start you. 
So you're making like a pair of 

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trousers, out of palm tree 
leaves. 

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So yeah, sellers is going to 
lose a rag because he hated 

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green clothing. 
So you did you see did leave 

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them in the Sun have to or 
bamboo trousers about heat 

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rises. 
How about wearing? 

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Come on and talk about ill. 
Met By Moonlight. 

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Mmm. 
Yes. 

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What what is it about this 
particular episode that takes 

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your fancy? 
Well as I said a sort of said 

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not too long ago actually it's 
one of the one of those six 

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episodes of the BBC played back 
in the 80s and it just stayed 

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with me, okay? 
Because it brings back something

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like those lovely memories of 
sitting by the radio waiting to 

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press. 
Recalled at the exact moment you

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can. 
It was always that I would do, I

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just miss the beginning of that 
one off, you know. 

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So I wish there was a way to 
describe that. 

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I wish there was some German 
word to describe that there 

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should be. 
There should be I don't can't 

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think of one that shit. 
Oh that I think you know what 

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English? 
Nipped finger ships. 

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That's a good one. 
Yes. 

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Yes. 
So anyway it was some no idea 

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since this one quite a bit 
actually because it to my mind 

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it's not your usual. 
You goon show because no one's 

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the bad guy in this one. 
They're all working together. 

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Hmm. 
They're all of the same side. 

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You have a good grip, Piper 
Moriarty as the antagonists. 

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That's right. 
In this atone, it's actually 

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quite a well structured gun 
show. 

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You know, it's got a probably 
beginning middle and end. 

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Yeah. 
But the thing is though, the one

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that I recorded off the radio 
didn't have the opening bit with

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green. 
So going this is the BBC in and 

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so you can go and jump number 
one. 

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Hmm it didn't have that on that.
I don't know why. 

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They used to cut weird things 
out. 

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Obviously, I've listened to the 
full version with all the mrs. 

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Yes, put back in. 
But yeah. 

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So there were, there were little
bits. 

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There. 
Wasn't that much new stuff, 

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actually, Tim to my ears, but 
the little bit of a bit at the 

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beginning with Churchill was, 
was, was new. 

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Yes. 
There's a couple of weird edits 

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from from my memory from the 
show. 

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When I first heard it which 
would have been, you know, the 

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one of the transcription 
Services edited version back in 

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the day, there's there's a 
sequence where Nettie basically 

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legs it because, you know, he 
doesn't want to get involved in 

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the secret mission and he's a 
coward. 

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Yeah, makes a run for it and and
he's caught, well, he's caught 

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in the actual full version that 
the line is that he's caught by 

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the urals. 
Now, that's now the word. 

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The now, the urals is cut out of
the, the show that I sort of 

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grew up with. 
It's really weird what the 

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things they'll cut out, because 
when they're singing O, Sole 

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Mio, And there's a bit in that 
where sellers sings deliberately

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are. 
So Leo low, and you can hear 

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Milligan, just begin to crack 
up. 

401
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Yeah, at that point. 
But the thing is, they didn't 

402
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and you knew full, well, what 
you were saying? 

403
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There was no hiding, it was 
saying our sonio low They kept 

404
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that in that, that was on one of
the. 

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There's that, that six, I recall
it back in the 80s. 

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That that was there. 
That was they didn't cut that by

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the cut out. 
This as you say, from this one 

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and mention of the Ural was. 
So yeah, so it was but yeah, but

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what I do I sort of liked about 
it is once it sort of gets in 

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its the city city things about 
the at least two occasions. 

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It's the very disparaging about 
the the American Fleet Actually 

412
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yes, yes, yeah. 
It's sort of like, put up 

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mantelpiece or smoke it later. 
Oh, what was her name? 

414
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Put it in Lost Property. 
I'll pick it up later is that 

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was so that was the second one. 
Yeah. 

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So I do I just love that but the
thing is that it I've never 

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actually seen it will met By 
Moonlight that the film that 

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this is actually sort of period 
in is that if that's even a 

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word, it will met By Moonlight. 
I died. 

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So did look at the film's 
synopsis and Mission to Crete is

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Yeah, ends really because it'll 
be about girls. 

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Got absolutely no relation to 
the movie whatsoever. 

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Part for mission to create a 
capture, a German general. 

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Well, I bought the DVD of ill 
met By Moonlight about, yeah, 

425
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four years ago. 
Hmm. 

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And it's one of those. 
You know what, you start 

427
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watching a film as watch? 
I watched about the first half. 

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Yeah, I had to stop it to do 
something. 

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And it was one of those films 
that, you know, you think I'll 

430
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come back to that and then 
because I don't become absorbed 

431
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by it enough was sufficiently. 
Lee that. 

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Yeah, kind of make excuses. 
Not to watch the the next bit. 

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Yeah, I did think, should I 
watch it ahead of doing this? 

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Just to kind of see if there's 
any parallels, but now, of 

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course it didn't know. 
It was a true story. 

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So incredible, that even those 
who took part in it were 

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constantly being surprised. 
Also the house of other 

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Englishmen on key to be 
surprised at the British 

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officers who took part in it. 
Smith. 

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Oh me, sorry, but I get down 
with it. 

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Let me, let me, let me just give
a quick little sort of run down 

442
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in terms of the broadcast 
history and whatnot. 

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So yeah, so it's, it's from 
Series 7, episode 23. 

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So it's coming quite close to 
the end of the seventh Series. 

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Yeah, broadcast. 14th of March 
1957 Spike and Larry Stevens are

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down as scriptwriters and 
produced by Pat dick. 

447
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Even now yet again and one thing
that one of the things I'm 

448
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finding from doing this podcast 
is because, you know, we need to

449
00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:13,200
sort of digging deep in terms of
topical references. 

450
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,500
What's going on around the time 
that the shows are going out the

451
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:20,200
actual film L met By Moonlight 
was was only released on the 4th

452
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,400
of March 57. 
So 10 days before this, this 

453
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,500
given Show episode Broadcast. 
So you know, the week probably 

454
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,000
the week that Spike was putting 
the show together. 

455
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,300
Yeah. 
I mean it does he say it's 

456
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,900
there? 
Quite a structure of plot to it.

457
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:41,100
It's it's it's the middle of 
World War Two and mmm. 

458
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,700
Lieutenant made siguen is 
ordered to lead a secret mission

459
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:50,200
to german-occupied Crete in 
order to capture the commanding 

460
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:58,700
officer, General von Goethe turn
and he's assisted in a manner of

461
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:03,300
speaking by Blood, Mark, 
Ellington and Echols and using 

462
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,300
pretty unorthodox. 
What you call it Weaponry? 

463
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,800
Yes some but not all thoughts. 
Commando unit? 

464
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,400
Yes. 
Socks full of spaghetti and and 

465
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,500
and then you know along the way 
see you know overcome such 

466
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:22,100
perils as Germans Dynamite 
explosions and some really corny

467
00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:25,100
gags. 
Very corny jokes. 

468
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,100
Yes. 
And and kind of successfully 

469
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:29,700
completes the mission but 
doesn't really because there's a

470
00:26:29,708 --> 00:26:33,600
little twist, it twist at the 
end and it's what I said, let it

471
00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:36,300
be a secret. 
Come please much at the end of 

472
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:38,200
any good show. 
Really does nice. 

473
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,400
And I was looking, I was quite a
one of the things that I picked 

474
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,500
up on re listening to it the 
other day. 

475
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,800
Hmm, the sheer number of 
different voices that sellers 

476
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,100
took on for this episode 
because, because first and 

477
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:54,500
foremost, there's no Minnie. 
Oh Henry, I don't know, there is

478
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:58,600
some, so one of his core 
characters is absent, okay, but 

479
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,800
I went through in a sort of 
jotted down, note down every 

480
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,100
character. 
However, smaller apart, shall 

481
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:09,100
we? 
Yes, and I've no jotted down 12 

482
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:13,100
different roles here that 
sellers performed and cause 

483
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:15,700
Henry wasn't one of them. 
So, no. 

484
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,300
So you've got sellers playing 
Churchill briefly at right at 

485
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:20,300
the yard at the beginning 
because there's that. 

486
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:21,400
Yeah. 
Like you say there's that 

487
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,200
there's that gag that got cut 
from from later versions which 

488
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,200
is the topical gag, right? 
At the beginning, where 

489
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,100
Churchill is threatening to 
kill, Alan Brooke and Brooke. 

490
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,400
This is the BBC Home Service 
joke. 

491
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,000
Number one, what did the a A 
statement say when he read the 

492
00:27:36,008 --> 00:27:41,000
Sunday time, I'll kill that 
fellow Alum broke one veteran 

493
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,500
Brock. 
Just released the book at that 

494
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:45,300
time. 
Well now he hadn't but someone 

495
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,600
else had about it was like a 
biography or think was an 

496
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,000
authorized biography of Alan 
Brooke and it was by a guy 

497
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,400
called Arthur Bryant called the 
turn of the tide and was 

498
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,000
published in January of that 
year. 

499
00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,200
So it was only a couple of 
months before this show without 

500
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,600
all this. 
Yeah. 

501
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,000
And it essentially from what 
I've read up about it, I'm 

502
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,900
Brooke. 
I think he gave him access this 

503
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,000
guy access to his Diaries and 
there was a lot of stuff in 

504
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,300
there about how Allen Brooke 
didn't like. 

505
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:19,800
The Americans thought they were 
Chumps pretty much and he wasn't

506
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,400
very flattering about Churchill 
and didn't think he really had 

507
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400
it in him to be a wartime 
leader. 

508
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,000
And so, I'm just wondering 
whether because he, they 

509
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,400
mentioned Churchill annoyed 
about something. 

510
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,700
He'd read in the Sunday Times. 
Or whether the book was being 

511
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,400
serialized at the time. 
Perhaps. 

512
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,300
Well maybe yeah that's the sort 
of thing used to do then, isn't 

513
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,200
it? 
It's not something you see some 

514
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,200
money now maybe because people 
don't buy newspapers as much 

515
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,500
anymore but you could be you 
know I think you could be on to 

516
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,900
something there actually but I 
say it's the only topical 

517
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,300
reference it is really this 
story is such as and yeah really

518
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:00,400
yeah. 
I mean it's a not even to be 

519
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,600
okay if it follows the sort of 
the the major plot Be of the 

520
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,900
movie, it doesn't do anything 
other than that really does. 

521
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:10,900
It does it is not taking the 
Mickey out of any of the actors 

522
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,700
in there or, you know, you know,
sort of like Milligan. 

523
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,700
You know, he had this thing 
about, you know, that that the 

524
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:18,800
stiff upper lip. 
So it's a style of acting 

525
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,000
though, I especially was 
announced on Walbrook, have 

526
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,500
somebody at the edit in forth 
for some reason. 

527
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,400
Yeah, so is always sort of 
parody that kind of thing. 

528
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,100
But it doesn't really sort of go
into those sort of 1950s War. 

529
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,700
Certainly British war movie 
tropes. 

530
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Too much really, not really 
small. 

531
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,700
Taking the, I mean, how can you 
read when you've got a spaghetti

532
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,400
Hurley regiment it really? 
Yeah, you can't. 

533
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,400
Can you? 
Well, you've also got so just 

534
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,000
going back to sellers because 
he's yeah please he plays 

535
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,500
Churchill briefly, he plays the 
guess, he's an unnamed us 

536
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:56,100
officer but it's the her own 
voice that he do you Hearn. 

537
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:58,300
Yeah he does. 
He does this wonderful lift 

538
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:04,000
attendant which is a very very 
Camp lift attendant who says 

539
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:09,500
Admiralty submarines combined 
Ops and a rotten Beast of a rain

540
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:16,300
called Frida brothel and it got 
a big laugh as well and begin. 

541
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,300
What was that? 
Anything in the news at the 

542
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,600
time? 
Was it, when it's not about a 

543
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,700
rain or but no, I couldn't find 
anything out about it. 

544
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:25,400
I just think that stick is a 
funny name. 

545
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:26,300
It's just a silly. 
Nice. 

546
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:27,400
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

547
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:29,700
He's just he's just being a bit 
of a bitch. 

548
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Yeah, sorry too much into that. 
Because Blue Bottle later on in 

549
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,700
the show, he prefers to to play 
time rotters, Erik's words and 

550
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:47,000
Bert prod, was it because I was 
supposed Eric, twill judge 

551
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,200
character itself, it was Eric's 
Will Chamber prod, maybe you're 

552
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:52,700
right. 
Maybe is there. 

553
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,500
It's were to me it sounds like 
toilet your own. 

554
00:30:54,508 --> 00:30:55,700
Listen back to it. 
Okay. 

555
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,700
I always say is always said like
it wasn't a character will go 

556
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,000
back. 
Yeah again it gets a massive 

557
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800
laughs and he cracks up saying 
it as well. 

558
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,800
Isn't it? 
Yeah, again, it's just silly 

559
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,700
names. 
Silly? 

560
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:13,700
Really but prod. 
So yeah. 

561
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:18,600
So sellers, he plays this sort 
of generic British officer type 

562
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,900
as well. 
Yeah. 

563
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,200
And then he kind of seems to 
morph into grip pipe thin, I 

564
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,300
think. 
Yes, there's not a lot in it, is

565
00:31:26,300 --> 00:31:28,300
there now and then and then 
you've got blood knocked 

566
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:31,100
off-course and you've got 
William, who is playing a ticket

567
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:37,000
collector, but is in reality, 
Apparently, we find out at the 

568
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,300
end. 
Yes, sellers plays a station 

569
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:44,700
announcer, which is this sort of
rather sort of severe female 

570
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:48,600
voice that he puts on. 
Yes, yeah, plays Lou, the the 

571
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,500
Jewish character, very 
understated Jewish character 

572
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,500
that he plays. 
Oh yes, very very subtle. 

573
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:58,200
Very subtle blue bottle, of 
course, and then below do called

574
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Blind masseuse or some plumbers.
It is this leader of the 

575
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:13,900
resistance easily. 
Artisan here is General van 

576
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,300
gluten every night at 10:00 East
Africa. 

577
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,100
Pass through the Coast Road. 
South of yarn bonds made, was 

578
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,800
your bondsman under your head 
chef? 

579
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,400
Yeah, a very well could be any 
Spanish, South American Voice. 

580
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,900
Nothing sellers was doing this. 
Yeah, here's the thing as well. 

581
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:34,800
This is an interesting little 
die. 

582
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,900
Russian. 
Because yeah, cell is actually 

583
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:43,200
auditioned for the role of a 
Greek partisan in L met By 

584
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,300
Moonlight. 
And right it'll met By Moonlight

585
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:49,200
was directed by Michael Powell 
of os. 

586
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,100
It was the last it was the last 
pair and pressburger film you 

587
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,600
met By Moonlight. 
Yes and yeah. 

588
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,700
Powell obviously would go on to 
do peeping, Tom and other things

589
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:04,600
and that kind of finished his 
career and I gather I didn't 

590
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,900
Why's that I gathered that 
Michael Powell was a bit of a 

591
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,200
prissy kind of so-and-so. 
Ready wasn't particularly 

592
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:14,000
well-liked? 
I gather or at least that's the 

593
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,200
impression I get from things 
I've read about and being yeah, 

594
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,300
be quite abrupt. 
But those are sellers are 

595
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,200
audition for this role. 
I'm not quite sure because it's 

596
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,800
not, you know, it's not a 
comedy. 

597
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:29,400
You think salad and sellers must
have been fencing that he could 

598
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:32,400
strike out into drama. 
Play dramatic role I guess 

599
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,100
around this time but he he was 
rejected, Powell rejected him 

600
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:42,100
and described him as looking at 
the time, like an Indian Rubber 

601
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:51,900
owl, What? 
Why a rubber a law that that's 

602
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:55,400
you ever seen a rubber else 
Indian Rubber. 

603
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,100
So it's an owl made of rubber 
again. 

604
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:00,200
What why what? 
Why? 

605
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Any kind of rubber actually? 
I don't know, but let me the 

606
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,500
sellers and 57, yeah, a bit of 
Timber on him. 

607
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:12,699
He was quite a tubby gentleman. 
He was in foul faced I suppose 

608
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:16,800
but anyway, anyway, fast forward
10 years. 

609
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:21,500
Okay, Ten years later and 
Michael Powell, whose career has

610
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:27,800
taken a bit of a dive while this
point, is looking to adapt the 

611
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,400
wonderful. 
Michael frayn novel The Russian 

612
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,300
interpreter. 
So he's looking to make a film 

613
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,900
of the novel, The Russian 
interpreter, and he goes to 

614
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:41,000
visit sellers, that's the big 
pile of bricks that sellers was 

615
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,199
living in at the time. 
Wherever that would have been. 

616
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,500
Yeah. 
And apparently, pal, How turns 

617
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:52,300
up at Sellers house and just 
drive straight up into the 

618
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:57,300
garage in without asking, just 
sort of just drive straight in. 

619
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:03,500
And the first, the first person 
he sees his base is Britt 

620
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:07,200
ekland. 
And according it right, 

621
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,100
according to Legend, Powell 
would have got out, jumped out 

622
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:16,100
of his car and says, Ah, is this
sellers Looking at Britt ekland.

623
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,500
Yeah. 
Oh God. 

624
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,800
And then and then so endeared 
himself to the pair of 

625
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,800
immediately. 
Yeah, so you know, you got off 

626
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,100
on the right footing and then I 
believe he spent some time, he 

627
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:38,500
and others trying to persuade 
sellers to to appear or star in 

628
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:42,300
this film. 
And I think Sal is just kind of 

629
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:48,500
just And ends up kind of 
humiliating him in public, I 

630
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:52,100
think, I think sellers really, 
really, really took against him.

631
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,600
And, and I did whether it was 
because of the fact that he'd 

632
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,500
been, you know, turfed off this 
film in 57, he wasn't even in 

633
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:03,400
the film. 
He was rejected for donation. 

634
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,300
But yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

635
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:08,200
I do. 
I could imagine sellers holding 

636
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,400
that Grudge actually. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, unfortunately.

637
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:16,600
So so yeah. 
So Very long-winded thing to say

638
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,300
here. 
But but yeah. 

639
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,900
So so so, it's quite interesting
that sellers would play this, 

640
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,200
this partisan leader and I 
wonder whether the audition he 

641
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,400
played Corporal, I was as part 
of his audition pop, with this 

642
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:36,300
shit, might be dead soon. 
And then finally, he plays von 

643
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:38,800
Goethe known who is actually 
turns out to be a ticket 

644
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,500
collector from Clapham. 
Who's a, is a very, again, very 

645
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,900
sort of Faye. 
German voice German character, 

646
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,900
the characterization. 
So yes. 

647
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,500
So this this to my by my count 
in those 12 different roles 

648
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,300
there and they're not all you 
know they're not all the 

649
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:56,100
well-known ones. 
There's some there's some quite 

650
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:59,400
unusual ones as well. 
Yeah, I think that's the I mean 

651
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,200
even more ER to grip pipe or in 
one scene. 

652
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,500
Yeah. 
Really. 

653
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:06,200
And that and that's it. 
And they don't really have a big

654
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,900
impact. 
Some other story at all. 

655
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:13,600
This is really driven by see 
that you see going blood knock 

656
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,000
are Who's and Ellington and blue
box really empty bottle and 

657
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,100
blue-eyed right here towards the
end of the latter, half of it. 

658
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,200
Yeah, exactly. 
Although see that Billy 

659
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,400
goodness, that he plays a 
different version of Jim sprigs.

660
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,600
It's Field Marshal Montgomery. 
I wanted to mention that I'm 

661
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,200
glad you're mad. 
Yeah, because we've never really

662
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,100
to my knowledge, with possible 
exception of the show. 

663
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,400
I did with my friend till we've 
never really mentioned, sprigs 

664
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,200
the gym, sprigs character, or 
his incarnations. 

665
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,100
So we've got a doll for sprigs 
as well. 

666
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,600
Which I'm yes, I sure. 
Sure where the whether the 

667
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,900
difference lies over the name 
really and that's strange voice 

668
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,100
of was it in the key of C isn't 
it apparently? 

669
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:55,700
Yeah. 
Hello Jim. 

670
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,800
Yeah, yeah. 
It's with it there's a lot of 

671
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,400
sort of a Vulcan has done. 
What was it originally wasn't 

672
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,900
bluebottle originally Ernie 
Splat muscles he was in the in 

673
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:12,100
the in the very in these sort of
crazy people sort of era and 

674
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,800
that's what that's just evolved 
into. 

675
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,600
Blue, but nothing is the same 
thing as sprees because Springs,

676
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400
which is sort of uses a, what 
can we do? 

677
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,400
Just sort of, has like a little 
pretend musical interlude, then 

678
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,400
stopping singing kind of thing. 
And then he just, then he sort 

679
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,200
of evolved into this other. 
I'm not going to say 

680
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,800
fully-formed character because 
he sits it's not but it became 

681
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,500
more of a thing. 
And I don't know again, if it 

682
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,700
was just like it was another 
attempt at a catch phrase, it 

683
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:43,200
was an art, he was an off the 
peg character for in the needed 

684
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,400
a character. 
That one. 

685
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,700
Yeah, Mario, when Sal has wasn't
available to do another voice 

686
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,100
and they needed a character to 
be a policeman or a hotel 

687
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,100
receptionist, or whatever it may
be. 

688
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,300
Yeah. 
And so Spike would do would do 

689
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:03,700
sprigs yet because at the I 
don't know how many times he 

690
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,400
done the characters sprigs 
before this episode, but there's

691
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:14,200
and I think it's sellers who 
starts who cracks up when Oh 

692
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,500
God, I don't know again. 
I thought it was put with those 

693
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,000
goons in pressures. 
I can't do them anyway but when 

694
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600
he says, so you see see going so
you see see goon like that and 

695
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,800
then you hear sellers laughing 
and I think he's clapping as 

696
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,200
well, you can. 
And I don't know why why that 

697
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,600
particular moment. 
It is sized to fit that Celerity

698
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,900
funding start clapping. 
And it's also if that's the 

699
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:37,600
first time, he's heard it. 
Obviously it's not, it's not but

700
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,200
no, obviously, it's not but for 
some I don't know what makes him

701
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,400
laugh and clap, what's that? 
Don't know what rendition. 

702
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,100
We don't know what happened in 
the rehearsals. 

703
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:49,500
We don't know what they've been 
talking about or laughing about 

704
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:51,200
exactly. 
Exactly. 

705
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,700
And it could be some little 
little in-joke. 

706
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,800
Something that came out during 
rehearsals and we are unaware. 

707
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,400
We the audience are unaware of 
what significance, it has to 

708
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,400
rest of them. 
Yeah, I mean it's loads of 

709
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,800
occasions where you can hear 
that mean the audience laughing 

710
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,600
at. 
Something's, obviously they're 

711
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,700
doing on stage. 
Yeah, no. 

712
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,900
Ask the listener. 
I've got, we're just not privy 

713
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,700
to, unfortunately. 
Yeah, it's those little moments 

714
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:17,400
of it just makes me wonder what,
what, what, what makes it so 

715
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,700
funny for them. 
Or why is the audience react in 

716
00:40:19,707 --> 00:40:23,200
the way is that you say, like 
two things like Frida brothel, 

717
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,800
why don't find energy funny, 
which just a silly name. 

718
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,500
It doesn't mean anything. 
Yeah. 

719
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:31,800
But again, he's used very 
sparingly again, the sprigs 

720
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,600
voice anyways. 
No, he's not called sprigs in 

721
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,600
this obviously, but once he's 
done his bit, then he doesn't. 

722
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,600
It doesn't appear again readers.
He does his Montgomery there. 

723
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,500
That's it. 
He's gone. 

724
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,700
But that's why that's why I 
particularly like this one. 

725
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:47,300
Because it He's like, well, a 
properties, as you said the 

726
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,100
begin a properly structured 
story, it goes from one scene to

727
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,600
the next scene, introduces more 
characters than those cats might

728
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,100
join me in the next scene or and
I think Larry Stevens has got a 

729
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,000
lot to do with that because I 
think he kept spiking chess. 

730
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,500
Yeah, a lot of the time I know 
you've spoken about whole 

731
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:10,400
podcast devoted to Larry Stevens
by do think that after and it's 

732
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,500
really noticeable as well 
actually after Larry Stevens has

733
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:17,400
Gone. 
Unfortunately, it's it does sort

734
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,500
of lose its way plot-wise. 
And sometimes it's just their 

735
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,200
mucking about until the first 
musical interlude, then. 

736
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:26,000
The gun show will start, but 
that, whatever the plot of that 

737
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,400
week is, you know, so it's 
always like you always get like,

738
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,500
you know, about 5-10 minutes or 
of their version of variety. 

739
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,100
And then it, then it goes on to 
the gunshots, right after Max 

740
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,200
geldray, but there's some 
crackers in series 9. 

741
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,100
It's cracking shows. 
Oh yeah. 

742
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,200
There is, there is, I think it, 
I think again is what was so 

743
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,000
needed. 
Lions have what spikes mindset 

744
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,800
was that particular week, 
really? 

745
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,700
Where he could turn into 
complete script. 

746
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,300
But as I say that this series 7,
I think that there is that 

747
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,800
there's some good strong stuff 
in. 

748
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,200
And I think this is one of my 
particular favorites. 

749
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,100
This really is, I mean, it's not
that when they get to when 

750
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:05,500
Moriarty does appear it's up for
its for the fried french forces.

751
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:07,700
Yes. 
And it's just the fact that it 

752
00:42:07,700 --> 00:42:09,200
affect their fright. 
Yeah. 

753
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,300
Actually, I don't know, I don't 
know. 

754
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:16,500
It's always made me laugh that I
don't, I don't know why. 

755
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,500
But and so yeah it's not this, 
we've got this camp. 

756
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:24,200
That blood knock seems to be a 
yo man ding which yes he's got 

757
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,100
this method. 
He's come up this method for 

758
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:31,200
ending the war, which is 
Commandos to be issued with 

759
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,200
socks. 
Full of spaghetti, and for 

760
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,000
hitting and hitting German 
soldiers in the face with. 

761
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,300
Yeah. 
And who will then in their, 

762
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,700
befuddled State, assume that the
Italians have turned against 

763
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:45,900
them. 
He's got me thinking there's a 

764
00:42:45,908 --> 00:42:50,000
lot of there's a lot of socks 
filled with stuff in the game 

765
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
show, isn't there? 
This there's a I know off the 

766
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,300
top of the top of my head. 
There's this there's this is a 

767
00:42:55,308 --> 00:42:57,600
sock full of grit in it. 
Christmas Carol. 

768
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,100
Yeah. 
See that. 

769
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:02,200
There's although it's not in the
show itself but the sock full of

770
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,000
custard to simulate the sound of
a better pudding. 

771
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,700
Being heard or someone held. 
Yes, yes, it's just socks full 

772
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:13,200
of stuff. 
You sure. 

773
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:20,000
And they are me socks as well as
you come back, poiice it about 

774
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,500
blood-- that that is when he's 
describing his method of winning

775
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,900
the war with this, this Army, 
sock, full of lukewarm 

776
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,300
spaghetti. 
As he calls it, it's that baby 

777
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:32,200
starts to sentence of with each 
kamado horse like that. 

778
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:36,500
And I again I just crack up at 
that bit and I've I do you sort 

779
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:40,300
of like it's that the thought of
Butch Commandos kissing come. 

780
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,600
There's there's a lot of stuff. 
There's a bit of innuendo there 

781
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:49,700
but it was makes me laugh 
because he's never given the 

782
00:43:49,707 --> 00:43:52,300
impression that any warm body 
would do, but you never know 

783
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,200
with with blood know. 
What was the other one? 

784
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,100
Okay, I can't I can't remember 
though the episodes where he 

785
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:04,900
says to are calls because we are
better to suggest something know

786
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:06,500
why you stay looking so 
suggestive. 

787
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,900
Hmm, how do you know I'm not it 
starts getting like that, who 

788
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:13,900
you're not be buying you. 
So yeah, it's Yeah. 

789
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:18,300
He's I could think of, he's any 
warm body will do. 

790
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,800
That's fair enough. 
It was, it was the war, wasn't 

791
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,500
it? 
It was the war. 

792
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:26,000
Exactly, I love the fact. 
I love the fact that. 

793
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000
So, for reasons unknown 
lieutenancy goon has been chosen

794
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,500
to lead this team to create to 
capture the general, the 

795
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,300
underscore Siegen. 
One of the great things about 

796
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,200
seagoing is cowardice is share, 
cowardice. 

797
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,700
You know, if he's such a such a 
patriotic, well, Englishmen but,

798
00:44:44,700 --> 00:44:46,800
you know, he just yes. 
Ready to scarper at the 

799
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,400
slightest hint of any trouble. 
I love the fact that it sounds 

800
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,100
up to blood knocks. 
Spit spaghetti. 

801
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,900
Holy dip. 
Oh, and real and says, men 

802
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,400
announces that. 
He's the volunteer for the great

803
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,000
job and blood knocks his unchain
him Sergeant. 

804
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:08,700
Yes. 
And I think Millions got this 

805
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:10,700
whole thing about, was it 
cowardice in the face of n? 

806
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:13,400
So as one of these, but we will 
find the slightest disturbance. 

807
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,400
Yeah, yeah, it's got this thing 
about again. 

808
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,500
I think it is that, you know, 
that thing about that, the stiff

809
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:24,700
upper lip and the, the British 
war movie of the 1950s. 

810
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,800
He just took it the other way. 
Yes, they went off to do Brave 

811
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,900
things but there were taken 
there in Chains. 

812
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:33,300
You know, they were dragged, 
they're screaming and kicking 

813
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,600
you know, to do that brave thing
again, I think it's for all of 

814
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,700
them really sort of like that, 
that wartime experience the it's

815
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,900
not full of square-jawed Heroes.
The real world is it? 

816
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:48,900
People are they do do Brave 
things without even knowing it 

817
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,200
really? 
But in this case so you can 

818
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,200
there's a little pray that your 
what's the right way back to 

819
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,700
Wales. 
So there is a reference to 

820
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:02,700
there's a grip pipe briefs 
Siegen and sort of preface it by

821
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,300
saying, let's put you in the 
picture to which Nettie replies 

822
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:10,200
too late Dirk bogarde already in
it which obviously is a little 

823
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,100
reference to the actual film the
movie. 

824
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,500
Yeah. 
And I love the bit on the train,

825
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,400
so they're on the train, the 
traveling to Portsmouth and and,

826
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,100
and the, the war office being. 
So, so stingy, won't even like, 

827
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:26,300
you know, stretch to paying for 
their train tickets. 

828
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:27,800
So they have to hide under the 
seat. 

829
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:50,600
Cus he spotted us. 
I didn't hundred sheets or a 

830
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,100
secret mission and we thought 
you were a German smile, German 

831
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:58,700
spy might all come from Clapham 
chef Mike. 

832
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,300
Well we've got to be careful, 
you see, we're gonna creep to 

833
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:08,400
capture general fund Cooter at 
my good luck, but I still want 

834
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,600
to see your ticket man. 
They basically tell William this

835
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,400
ticket collector the whole 
Secret. 

836
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:15,100
Mission. 
Yes. 

837
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:20,100
Oh, I also love the fact that 
it's that thing of hiding under 

838
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:22,000
the seat as well. 
It just I don't know why they 

839
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,900
always get space. 
So you say there's some good sir

840
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,800
but did you say you got some 
really cool knee jokes in there 

841
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,300
as well? 
Because once they actually 

842
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,300
obviously, they'd they get under
under the submarine Supply by 

843
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,400
Moriarty's fried french forces 
once they sort of row row. 

844
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,400
Ashore, I said, overall as 
surely as were on Crete and 

845
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,400
blood that says, oh this Each is
hold. 

846
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,500
We must be on concrete, huh? 
Like that. 

847
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,400
So it seems we built just for 
that concrete jar. 

848
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,100
And then at the end you get 
another bad joke which you think

849
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:56,300
they've chosen that name just to
make that joke right? 

850
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:01,300
Yeah can I tell you and I tell 
ya and I swear to God you know 

851
00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:06,200
on my my not going to swear on 
my mother's grave but on someone

852
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,000
else's grave. 
I swear that God worked out that

853
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,100
that was going to be the joke. 
When I first heard of this show 

854
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,700
I swear to God because Because I
was thinking vote because it's 

855
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:18,000
not a goon ish name. 
It's not mangu. 

856
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,800
Turn is not a goon Ash name. 
No it's not not at all and I 

857
00:48:22,808 --> 00:48:26,700
remember thinking von Goethe 
turned on Cooter and because I 

858
00:48:26,707 --> 00:48:29,400
guess I've heard enough gun 
shows to know that there's very 

859
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,900
often they've got form for 
obviously doing punning jokes 

860
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:37,100
based on foreign names. 
Like I don't know if I knew if 

861
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,700
I'd worked out, it was going to 
be von Goethe. 

862
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,200
Turn deserves another but I 
thought it's going to be 

863
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,000
something like that, you know. 
Yeah. 

864
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,000
And yeah. 
Spot on. 

865
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,100
The name right for the part of 
the outset the show was purely 

866
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:52,200
to to build towards that corner 
gag. 

867
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:56,300
Hey, why not? 
You did like a coolie get he did

868
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,100
love call. 
He gags. 

869
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,400
Actually Spider-Man thinks he 
had this sort of a rather than 

870
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:07,000
out there humor, but now he did 
like, you know obvious jokes 

871
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000
sometimes yes, you know or bad 
puns or whatever, you know, it's

872
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,800
bring it on so I could sir we've
got we've got the blue bottle 

873
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,600
vehicles. 
I swear so I think seagoing and 

874
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,800
blood knocking Ellington ago and
dynamite the bridge further on 

875
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,100
down the road. 
They as blue Barnacles to stay 

876
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:30,000
behind and keep it keep kv-4 the
generals car and then you've got

877
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,300
this little sequence lovely 
lovely little sequence where 

878
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,000
blue bird blue bottles talking 
about some English girl that 

879
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,000
he's met who can speak French 
and it just it's just wonderful 

880
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,500
young adults the can-can. 
Yes. 

881
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,400
It's almost like it's like Like 
blue bottle when it equals 

882
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:51,300
version of what you call it. 
Locker room talk. 

883
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,900
Yeah, it's all like they're sort
of that the I think that Locker 

884
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,500
about that Barrack room the 
baritone America. 

885
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,700
Yes. 
We're going to be yeah. 

886
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:02,200
Put it into sort of sort of army
army terms here so. 

887
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:07,200
Yeah, but it's it was if you've 
got two children doing Barrack 

888
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,200
room but what sort of like 
what's a bit risque? 

889
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,200
I wish you. 
She's got as you can speak 

890
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,500
French and as the can come and 
put in an old can on each foot 

891
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:19,800
and jumping up and down. 
So it's as you said, our people 

892
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,800
use the what time is it Eccles? 
Yeah. 

893
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,700
As a, as a thing to illustrate 
going humor, if I was to pick a 

894
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:33,200
Nicholson, bluebottle sketch. 
It will probably be this one to 

895
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,600
illustrate the guns, more than 
anything else. 

896
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:37,700
Right? 
I think this is a nice little, 

897
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:40,100
nice. 
Little double act thing going on

898
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,300
here and it's silly as well. 
But I've, it's got to my 

899
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:46,800
favorite sort of things that 
have someone to being a check 

900
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,400
out in the Goon show, it blue 
bottle. 

901
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,100
So we're both close our eyes 
when we outgrew his left, stops 

902
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,200
the car, yes, right? 
And then you sort of right up, 

903
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,400
its that thing with Echo saying,
right, you've got your eyes 

904
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,800
closed yet in the background 
that this is your boob, okay? 

905
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,700
Yes. 
Like that sort of and it just it

906
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:06,000
gets me every toaster fantastic 
gag. 

907
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,800
It really is. 
Lord. 

908
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:16,500
What look he's the car. 
Who would want to stop it? 

909
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Let's draw lots for it. 
We're both close our eyes and 

910
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,300
when we opened them, he's ever 
slept, stop the massacre, okay, 

911
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:33,300
minor closed. 
Well, you are your eyes closed 

912
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,900
because they have to shoehorn in
Blue Horse, Blue Van blue holes,

913
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:46,100
yes, Blue Bottle falling in a 
body of water so that they get a

914
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,300
little gin can come along and 
say his catchphrase. 

915
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,200
So yeah. 
So so so all's well that ends 

916
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,800
well or is it? 
Because seagoing thinks that 

917
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,200
they have, you know, the 
completed, the mission 

918
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,700
successfully, they've captured 
von Goethe and and then William 

919
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:04,200
turns up And says hands up mate,
and he's basically reveals that 

920
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,000
he will hands up sums as he says
it reveals that he has been von 

921
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,600
Goethe and a German spy all the 
time. 

922
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,700
And von Goethe owns is in 
reality a ticket collector from 

923
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,400
clapping and the show ends and 
it's a nice little nice. 

924
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,500
Little neat little ending, as 
far as, you know, by goons terms

925
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:22,200
anyway. 
Well, I say it does it sort of 

926
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,100
like soon? 
Get does get the last word and 

927
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:27,900
it's actually quite act when you
use of read stuff about, you 

928
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:30,800
know, the British Armed Forces. 
Now in a The wages as you know, 

929
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,700
folks are sometimes wonder how 
we won the war. 

930
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Yeah, yeah, never never a true 
sentence. 

931
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,600
I think actually, but yeah, I as
well as episodes. 

932
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:46,400
I will keep coming back to 
because I think it's, you know, 

933
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,700
we've been talking about it all,
you know, the last 30 minutes so

934
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:52,700
and I even out. 
So don't think it's not your 

935
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:55,800
typical goon show this one 
because it has, it's got a 

936
00:52:55,808 --> 00:52:58,100
proper structure to it. 
I'll keep saying it's got proper

937
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:01,800
structure, go and listen to it. 
It, because they're not all that

938
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,600
out there, humor all the time 
was, you know, is lots of silly 

939
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,100
sound effects and silly voices 
and everything. 

940
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,600
Because if you said, there's a 
lot of those characters, you 

941
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,600
know, and love and not in this 
story, or they're not use that 

942
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,900
are common in one scene only. 
Yeah, exactly. 

943
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,400
That's, that's why I selected 
and plus FH is takes me back to 

944
00:53:17,408 --> 00:53:20,400
those Happy Days. 
You know, by the radio pressing 

945
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,200
record on the older on the old 
cassette player as well. 

946
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:24,600
Yeah, it's a must have been, 
it's lovely. 

947
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,500
It's not, it's not one that. 
I mean, I listen to them all on 

948
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,900
heavy rotation. 
Yeah, for three or four year 

949
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:37,600
period back in the late 80s, 
early 90s and yeah you know this

950
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,800
one I knew every word pretty 
much, you know, and but it 

951
00:53:41,808 --> 00:53:43,100
wasn't. 
It wasn't one that I would say 

952
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:47,500
was one of my very favorites. 
It wasn't one that I listen to a

953
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:50,800
lot. 
I don't know why because, you 

954
00:53:50,808 --> 00:53:53,300
know, I'm listening to these 
again now after so many years 

955
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,600
and actually thinking in some 
ways, I'm appreciating them more

956
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,900
than maybe I did when I was 16. 
On 17, and it's hard to explain 

957
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,500
why that is. 
But it's maybe just, maybe I 

958
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:10,800
just appreciate the Artistry. 
Yeah, I think that you're onto 

959
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,400
something there actually. 
Because I think obviously, when 

960
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,000
I started listening to these, 
you know, as a preteen and as a 

961
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,700
teenager and grabbed everything,
it was all just about the silly 

962
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:22,900
voices and the sound effects and
everything. 

963
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:27,200
But, you know, and as I got 
older and so like yourself, 

964
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,200
listening to on rotation, I 
certainly did have a A big 

965
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,400
period myself doing that. 
You start to appreciate some of 

966
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,900
the, the word play. 
There was nothing else like it 

967
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,800
on the radio that time but yet 
so that that I mean, that's one 

968
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,900
of the I think, as I grew up, it
was that you saw to appreciate 

969
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:47,200
what they were trying to do 
that. 

970
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,500
Well, it was different. 
They were thumbing their nose at

971
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:54,100
Authority all the time and so 
many risque jokes, they could 

972
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:58,100
get away with I know sort of 
like it is also Spike Milligan 

973
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:00,200
with is the Godfather of modern 
comedy. 

974
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,200
I can't really disagree with 
that. 

975
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,000
And to be honest, he sort of set
the template that you could, 

976
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:09,400
what you, what you could 
actually do, what you could get 

977
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,700
away with. 
Yes, that's right as well. 

978
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,700
Yeah you know because once it's 
done it's done, you know. 

979
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:17,900
So you can't say that what we've
already said it. 

980
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,600
So now put the genie back in the
bottle. 

981
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,500
Can you know you come? 
That's it. 

982
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,300
That is it? 
Yeah, so now it's an excellent. 

983
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,600
Show. 
It's a great show. 

984
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,800
Phil, thank you so much for 
coming on and talking about it 

985
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,000
and thank you for having me. 
I hope I will just it's been 

986
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,000
great. 
Absolutely just just before we 

987
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,200
before we wind up completely. 
I just wanted to do a little bit

988
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:43,400
of housekeeping because, you 
know, I record these quite one 

989
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,000
of the advance of when they 
actually go out and about six or

990
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,200
seven shows back, we covered the
case of the missing CD plates. 

991
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:57,200
Covered that with John rain and 
I thought of Research Phil, I 

992
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,400
thought it under I thought it 
was gonna be pretty assiduous. 

993
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,800
I thought I'd, you know, 
uncovered every sort of little 

994
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,400
nugget, you know, every little 
sort of topical fact, that I 

995
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:11,200
could have you been out. 
Fact, I've been out fact, right.

996
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,600
So the case of missing City 
plates, obviously, you know, the

997
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:18,500
the Crux of the story is that 
Ned Seeger and gets squashed by 

998
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:22,100
a piano which is thrown out of 
the Titicaca and Embassy window 

999
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:25,100
and they claim they have 
diplomatic immunity. 

1000
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,200
T. 
So they can't, you know, they 

1001
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,600
are immune from prosecution said
in the show that I just thought 

1002
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,400
that I wondered whether there 
had been some sort of hoo-ha or 

1003
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,100
brouhaha at the time about the 
abuse of diplomatic immunity. 

1004
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:40,500
Apparently. 
There was because Shawn Gaffney,

1005
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,100
listen, Shawn Gaffney, who is, 
is going to be a future guest. 

1006
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:48,600
Actually he got in touch and he 
said that in May 1955. 

1007
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,600
So someone's had a good sort of 
around six months before the 

1008
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,200
show was broadcast. 
A very A similar incident 

1009
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,100
occurred and actually was was 
brought up and discussed in the 

1010
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:02,700
House of Commons and Andrew 
crowd another listener. 

1011
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:06,200
He managed to dig out a press 
cutting from the time and just 

1012
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,200
want to read you. 
This the headline is a diplomat 

1013
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:15,500
through piano on a car. 
You got the occasion when a 

1014
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,400
frustrated young Peruvian 
Diplomat. 

1015
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:20,900
Let's steam off bought laughter 
the House of Commons last night 

1016
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,700
when the incident and its 
consequences were mentioned by 

1017
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,800
mr. 
CR Hobson, MP4 keighley mr. 

1018
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,200
Hobson was speaking during a 
debate on diplomatic immunity a 

1019
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,200
subject once of great concern to
one of his constituents members 

1020
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,800
laughed when mr. 
Hobson told them his constituent

1021
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:42,000
parked his car outside a London 
hotel, when onto it Fell a grand

1022
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,100
piano, he was not so funny for 
the car owner from Keith Lee 

1023
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:48,900
because the piano had been 
thrown by a diplomat who because

1024
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,900
of his status could not be 
called on to pay for damage to 

1025
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:56,800
the car. 
So it goes on so goes on, but 

1026
00:57:56,900 --> 00:58:03,900
yeah, so that actually happens. 
But so was he solely responsible

1027
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:06,300
for thrown a grand piano? 
Well, I guess he must out of the

1028
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:07,400
window. 
Probably had some. 

1029
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,900
It must have had a mess of 
assistants, surely some, some 

1030
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:16,400
sort of minor ranking, Diplomat,
possibly helped and maybe. 

1031
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,800
Yes, um, yeah, but that's 
amazing, Diplomat diplomatic 

1032
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,500
lickspittles gotta say it's 
like, yes, that's it. 

1033
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:25,800
And also does it right at the 
beginning of the show. 

1034
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,600
There's a reference to baroness 
oxy and I spent a spin, A decent

1035
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,100
amount of time. 
Talking about baroness foxy and 

1036
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:37,300
wondering why her name had 
cropped up and form a guess Mike

1037
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:42,000
Haskins wrote in and pointed out
to me that there'd been on BBC 

1038
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,400
television week or two before 
this this gun show that been 

1039
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,000
Sunday night theater. 
The Scarlet Pimpernel starring 

1040
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,000
Tony Britain him off Robin's 
Nest I guess as the yes as The 

1041
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,200
Scarlet Pimpernel. 
So obviously phone. 

1042
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,500
But instead phone Britain's 
dead. 

1043
00:58:58,500 --> 00:58:59,900
That's right. 
Better known as friend brick. 

1044
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,400
Is there. 
And then finally, Nick burden 

1045
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,700
got in touch to say because I 
mentioned that there was footage

1046
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:09,800
that there is footage that 
exists of the Goon show on film.

1047
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,800
But there was no audio and had 
said that I wish that, you know,

1048
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,300
we could work out what gunshot 
was that they were that they 

1049
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:19,900
were performing and Nick got in 
touch to remind me. 

1050
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:23,500
And actually, I've watched it 
this week that they identified. 

1051
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,400
There was a Victor Louis Smith 
sellers documentary a couple of 

1052
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,700
years ago and they threw lip 
reading and all that sort of 

1053
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:31,500
thing then. 
To identify that it was actually

1054
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,100
drumroll. 
Queen Anne's Reign. 

1055
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,500
Oh, which brings us back to the 
beginning of our conversation. 

1056
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:45,600
We definitely, we definitely 
plan that Tyler didn't get to 

1057
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,600
finish that. 
So yeah. 

1058
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,600
So I've got your step up the 
research. 

1059
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,500
I will maybe have to bring 
somebody on to do my research 

1060
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,000
for me. 
Yes, pigeons. 

1061
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:56,700
Yes, you need your own looks 
better without you. 

1062
00:59:58,300 --> 00:59:59,900
So Phil listen. 
Thank you again. 

1063
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,300
So much just just a little 
thank-you. 

1064
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:04,600
The little plug for the podcast 
in terms of where people can 

1065
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,600
hear it and whatnot. 
Yes. 

1066
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,500
Well if you like Doctor Who you 
want to listen to two old farts 

1067
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:15,100
rambling about said show if you 
just find it by Googling who's 

1068
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:19,900
he podcast, you can fasten all 
the usual social media plays up,

1069
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:23,100
Facebook and Twitter. 
We've got our own website or on 

1070
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:26,000
iTunes. 
Google play Amazon music. 

1071
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,400
Where everywhere I've I've 
caught myself out today, Big 

1072
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,100
social media companies on the 
planet. 

1073
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:36,200
So so, so if you want to give us
a listen, there we are. 

1074
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:37,700
Yeah. 
If you're into gardeners 

1075
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:38,900
question time, you don't like 
dr. 

1076
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,500
Who probably don't give it a 
listen but if you do like to 

1077
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,800
give it a listen, give it a 
listen. 

1078
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,800
Thank you again to fill. 
Thank you for listening. 

1079
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,200
Please follow on Twitter. 
It's at good show part. 

1080
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:56,500
Also, please rating review on, 
iTunes, lots of five-star 

1081
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:00,600
reviews bump up the numbers, 
bump up the profile and 

1082
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:05,500
everyone's happy. 
So, until next time, take care 

1083
01:01:05,800 --> 01:00:47,200
and bye. 
Thank you again to fill. 

1084
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,800
Thank you for listening. 
Please follow on Twitter. 

1085
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,900
It's at good show part. 
Also, please rating review on, 

1086
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:58,800
iTunes, lots of five-star 
reviews bump up the numbers, 

1087
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,200
bump up the profile and 
everyone's happy. 

1088
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:06,800
So, until next time, take care 
and bye.